Armagh Club football & hurling

[slievegullion]

This doesn't concern you.

[Aghdavoyle]

Two terrible perfrmances in a row from dromintee. hammered by sarsfields at home last week and well beaten by killeavy last night, despite having some of the county men back. new manager certainly isn't an inspiring appoinment and that is well reflected in performances.

Aghdavoyle, two terrible performances yes, but it is still early days for the new management. He is still very much learning about the team and different players.

As a clubman, you would do well not to criticise management or the appointment in public as it helps nobody concerned with the situation.

Kelly is no club man of ours, in fact he's being handsomely paid good club money to run the team into the ground. he was a bad manager before he came to dromintee, terribly referenced but still appointed. he looks to have learned absolutely nothing about the team or players in 6 months.

i'll agree with yo about one thing - talking about it in public certainly doesn't help those who appointed him but were warned not to....

[slievegullion]

First of all, only two of the last six managers have been clubmen so your point is irrelvant.

If you are dissatisfied with the teams performances what do you think your little public outburst here is possibly going to achieve? There is not going to be a re-appointment this year, Kelly is manager, so everyone concerned needs to throw their weight in behind the team and work out how we can progress.

Airing those kind of views is incredibly irresponsible, take it up with the men concerned in private.

[Aghdavoyle]

The fact is we previously payed managers who were competent and improved the team nd ore importantly the players. money well spent for a football club. more moey that has ever been spent before to achieve neither of those things is scandalous in the current economic climate.

how do you know there is not going to be a reappointment?

Wouldn't be much point in raising footbal issues in our club. football and the performance of teams on the field would be well down any list of priorities for the powers that be in dromintee.

you seem to be new to this forum. it's commonplace to discuss football here - particularly armagh club football in this thread. if you don't wish to hear others' opinions i suggest you dn't read them.

[slievegullion]

The fact is we previously payed managers who were competent and improved the team nd ore importantly the players. money well spent for a football club. more moey that has ever been spent before to achieve neither of those things is scandalous in the current economic climate.

how do you know there is not going to be a reappointment?

Wouldn't be much point in raising footbal issues in our club. football and the performance of teams on the field would be well down any list of priorities for the powers that be in dromintee.

you seem to be new to this forum. it's commonplace to discuss football here - particularly armagh club football in this thread. if you don't wish to hear others' opinions i suggest you dn't read them.

I am aware of this, my point is that this is an 'in-house' matter and I don't believe you are being constructive towards the club by making your views on this accessible to every other club in Armagh. Further to this, I am not going to converse anymore on the matter.

[Lothos]

Kelly is no club man of ours, in fact he's being handsomely paid good club money to run the team into the ground. he was a bad manager before he came to dromintee, terribly referenced but still appointed. he looks to have learned absolutely nothing about the team or players in 6 months.

i'll agree with yo about one thing - talking about it in public certainly doesn't help those who appointed him but were warned not to....

Getting paid?

[brokencrossbar1]

How many "outside" managers have Dromintee had over the last 10 - 15 years?  I presume McIvor was paid as would John Rafferty.  Who else was paid?  Surely in the same period of time this money would have been better invested into building up the underage structure etc to realistically give the club a basis to challenge once the current group of player( O'Rourkes in particular) are gone?

[corn02]

How many "outside" managers have Dromintee had over the last 10 - 15 years?  I presume McIvor was paid as would John Rafferty.  Who else was paid?  Surely in the same period of time this money would have been better invested into building up the underage structure etc to realistically give the club a basis to challenge once the current group of player( O'Rourkes in particular) are gone?

Duffin, Rafferty, Fitzpatrick, McIvor, Kelly - the only outside managers I believe we have had, still a big number, but nothing unusual - commonplace in any club, or the majority anyway.

How can you 'invest' in the underage? I'm being genuine, I know trips away etc, but what else can you invest in. All you can do is develop facilites and Dromintee are an excellent club for that.

[corn02]

And as for last night's game, well beaten, should have been more if honest.

Micheal O Rourke continues to perform brilliantly if guilty of a couple of misses. In the form of his life yet, somehow, not in the Armagh set up.

[pintsofguinness]

How can you 'invest' in the underage? I'm being genuine, I know trips away etc, but what else can you invest in. All you can do is develop facilites and Dromintee are an excellent club for that.

Was going to make the same ponit, all you can do is have the facilities and coaches in place but in the end it's all down to the size of the pick you have and there's not much you can do about, apart from the obvious.

[brokencrossbar1]

I haven't been to Dromintee in a few years but how many fields have they got?  Have they got an adequate indoor facility? I presume they run cul camp, but do they ever organise other training weeks or run blitzes?  These are all genuine questions that I do not have the answer to.  At a guess Dromintee have paid an outside manger for 12 years, at say average £15k all in for the year.  So to round that down that is £100k over the period.  I would rather have employed a part time under age coach for that kid of money.  To do that you have to make an assumption that there is someone adequate within the club to do the senior team.  This must not be deemed to be the case

[corn02]

I haven't been to Dromintee in a few years but how many fields have they got?  Have they got an adequate indoor facility? I presume they run cul camp, but do they ever organise other training weeks or run blitzes?  These are all genuine questions that I do not have the answer to.  At a guess Dromintee have paid an outside manger for 12 years, at say average £15k all in for the year.  So to round that down that is £100k over the period.  I would rather have employed a part time under age coach for that kid of money.  To do that you have to make an assumption that there is someone adequate within the club to do the senior team.  This must not be deemed to be the case

Indeed, I know your genuine BC.

Yeah good points, we have two pitches, soon to be three I think. An indoor gym and use of the Jade centre for indoor training. We run the Cul Camp and a lot more emphasis seems to be put on the very young age group (U-8) and (U-10s). In my day we didn't have U-8 and you usually had 20 max at U-10s. I think last year there was something like 60 at U-8 training.

The blitz thing is probably something we haven;t done in ages. We have a very popular memorial blitz, which attracts a lot of teams. But probably we could do a bit more.

The part-time underage coach is an interesting one. Do Cross have one? My guess would be that any coach who is worth paying will not want to be bothered coaching underage teams and would want senior temas. A development coach is what I assume you mean and again its a good idea in principle, executing it with the right person is another issue.

What would a club development officer actually do though?

[pearseog]

ogs threw it away against cross. 1st half was pretty even but cross took their chances to build a five point lead at half time. 2nd half was all ogs, totally dominated cross. cross only had three or four attacks in the 2nd half scoring 1 point. but missed frees from both sean moore and ronan clarke probably cost us in the end. also missed a few chances from play. clarke had a shout for a penalty when he seemed to be pulled down in the area. after all the criticism of referees lately, particularly on this site, rory robinson had a very good game and controlled the game well when it seemed things where about to kick off towards the end of the 1st half.

[full back]

Any word on Nudie leaving the Harps after last nights game?

Also heard Lavery got a straight red.
Suppose it depends what it was for to see if he will miss county games

[crossfire]

Cross beat Clans 1-17 to 0-11.
0-8 each at half time. Clans played well and were only 2 behind with 10 minutes left, when Oisin came on and scored 1-3.