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Title: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 02, 2007, 06:44:19 PM
Anyone else sick of these guys blatant ignorance towards the GAA? Firstly BBC announced an end to their gaa coverage (which was half an hour a week for a few weeks during the summer). They cited lack of viewers which I find hard to believe considering RTE's success. The same guys can show 4 hours of live milk cup coverage this Friday night as well as interactive games all week. They can show the Irish cup final live between Dungannon Swifts and Linfield. They could (not can!) show most Northen Ireland home games live. They showed the u19 rugby world cup games live as well as Ireland interantionals. The only gaa game they have left is the mccrory cup final and they feel they have to show it cause the rugby school final is on that day to. Who do they think theyre kidding - would the orange orfer parades which they show on the 12th get more viewers than Doengal Monaghan for example would have got last week? If they had the right gaa coverage it would get twice the viewers of the Irish Cup final.

Moving on to UTV who also ignore the gaa. I watched their news coverage regularly at 6 in the evening. In the run up to Northern Ireland or Ulster games they have build up all week and these games dont attract 15000. This Saturday Tyrone will play in front of 50000 but there has barely been a mention of the game. Tonight their sport coverage started with 2 phone calls to here what was happening in the Swifts game in Lithuania and build up to the Glentoran game who were 5 0 down from the 1st leg. They then showed coverage of the Milk Cup. After this they moved on the WAKEBOARDING (think thats what its called) - theyre reall taking the micky now! After that we has the result of the competition for the man u glentoran game and finally news of a death in the Linfield club. I can ignore there lack of coverage during the winter but in the height of the gaa season this is disgusting. Adrian Logan hang your head in shame!

Rant over.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
Quote
Firstly BBC announced an end to their gaa coverage (which was half an hour a week for a few weeks during the summer). They cited lack of viewers which I find hard to believe considering RTE's success.
Are you serious? First I heard of that!

Good post there.  Logan is a complete gobshite. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on August 02, 2007, 06:52:59 PM
Anyone else sick of these guys blatant ignorance towards the GAA? Firstly BBC announced an end to their gaa coverage (which was half an hour a week for a few weeks during the summer). They cited lack of viewers which I find hard to believe considering RTE's success. The same guys can show 4 hours of live milk cup coverage this Friday night as well as interactive games all week. They can show the Irish cup final live between Dungannon Swifts and Linfield. They could (not can!) show most Northen Ireland home games live. They showed the u19 rugby world cup games live as well as Ireland interantionals. The only gaa game they have left is the mccrory cup final and they feel they have to show it cause the rugby school final is on that day to. Who do they think theyre kidding - would the orange orfer parades which they show on the 12th get more viewers than Doengal Monaghan for example would have got last week? If they had the right gaa coverage it would get twice the viewers of the Irish Cup final.

Moving on to UTV who also ignore the gaa. I watched their news coverage regularly at 6 in the evening. In the run up to Northern Ireland or Ulster games they have build up all week and these games dont attract 15000. This Saturday Tyrone will play in front of 50000 but there has barely been a mention of the game. Tonight their sport coverage started with 2 phone calls to here what was happening in the Swifts game in Lithuania and build up to the Glentoran game who were 5 0 down from the 1st leg. They then showed coverage of the Milk Cup. After this they moved on the WAKEBOARDING (think thats what its called) - theyre reall taking the micky now! After that we has the result of the competition for the man u glentoran game and finally news of a death in the Linfield club. I can ignore there lack of coverage during the winter but in the height of the gaa season this is disgusting. Adrian Logan hang your head in shame!

Rant over.


I agree with you, but you'd be better drafting all that in a letter to both organisations. I'd imagine that the BBC, being a public body, would be obliged to formally reply.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Star Spangler on August 02, 2007, 06:56:46 PM
The most effective thing you could do is switch off and watch RTE instead.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on August 02, 2007, 07:07:45 PM
The most effective thing you could do is switch off and watch RTE instead.

Not possible for some, but that's not the point anyway. The BBC are our public service broadcaster, where our f**king licence fees go, their attitude ti the GAA is a total disgrace. Agree entirely with Tyrone Dreamer.
And why the f**k was the show on a Wednesday night in the first place, neither here nor there for review/preview purposes.
The poor audiences argument is total bullshit, put it at a decent fecking time and day
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 02, 2007, 07:11:41 PM
Hope I didnt annoy to many wakeboarding fans - is that what its called?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: wobbller on August 02, 2007, 07:27:29 PM
  The war may be over in political terms but the inbuilt bigotry is continuing and in fact it's increasing.MLA's should be the first port of call but I they are off on their "teacher length" holdays at present but sure they are elected for another while now and will do nothing to canvass support until the next election. The Irish News should up the campaign they had earlier in the season and invite fat Nolan to reply instead of showing up at some Club in the midle of Tyrone to try out Gaa--go try something that is new like the rubbish that UTV showed earlier--WAKEBOARDING.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: inisceithleann on August 02, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
Hope I didnt annoy to many wakeboarding fans - is that what its called?

Aye it's wakeboaring. I live beside the Erne and I didn't even bother going down to it. But in saying that it got Enniskillen on the telly and that doesn't happen that often. :)

In a more serious note, the GAA coverage is a disgrace. The biggest spectator sport in the North should be getting live coverage never mind a midweek discussion and highlights programme. You'd wonder who runs the sports departments and what sports they're into. I doubt Logie has much of a say at UTV nor Jerome at the BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Star Spangler on August 02, 2007, 07:37:25 PM
Wakeboarding is class.  I've one for sale if anyone's interested.  8)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on August 02, 2007, 07:43:36 PM
UTV and BBC should either rebrodacast RTE's offerings, or support the terrestrial broadcasting of RTE into all NI homes, not just those daft enough to subscribe to SKY.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 02, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
Is Loggie not head of sport in UTV or sports editor? If he is you'd like to think he'd have some input.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 02, 2007, 07:48:24 PM
Is Loggie not head of sport in UTV or sports editor? If he is you'd like to think he'd have some input.
he is sports editor, wouldnt what goes on the sport news be his call?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fear Boirche on August 02, 2007, 08:23:31 PM
One of the problems, as far as I know, is that the GAA sells the Championship rights as a full package. So say UTV or BBC wanted to show all the Ulster Championship matches, they would have to buy the whole package which includes the other three provinces and they're just not going to do that. I don't know how they manage to show standalone games though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 02, 2007, 09:46:14 PM
Even if they cant have live matches surely they can have equal coverage in the news. The sports news is a joke. If they can have build up to Northern Ireland soccer games and ulster rugby all weelk in the run up to big games surely they could do the same for the gaa. Even a mention in relation to injuries etc would be better than nothing. If ulster or Northern Ireland were attracting the same crowds you'd never here the end of it. Dungannon Swifts have average attendances of about 200 but have had more live minutes on BBC NI this year than Tyrone or Armagh and probably mentioned in the news more. In fact Id say theyve definately been mentioned more. Each Irish league club gets a mention on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday on UTV/BBC and usual during the week again.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: john mcgill on August 02, 2007, 10:11:08 PM
The Ulster Council has a leadership role to play in this.  Perhaps one of the many paid employees who lurk here could bring it to Danny Murphy's attention.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on August 02, 2007, 10:16:32 PM
The Ulster Council has a leadership role to play in this.  Perhaps one of the many paid employees who lurk here could bring it to Danny Murphy's attention.

Danny Murphy made a statement about it last night. It's on the back page of today's Irish News.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on August 02, 2007, 10:19:55 PM
The Ulster Council has a leadership role to play in this.  Perhaps one of the many paid employees who lurk here could bring it to Danny Murphy's attention.

Danny Murphy made a statement about it last night. It's on the back page of today's Irish News.

Seen that but must say it was a pretty pathetic statement, very weak words. Should have got laid into the bigoted pricks. This issue needs to be adressed, its an ongoing joke and nobody says f**k all about it
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Pangurban on August 03, 2007, 12:15:56 AM
While i agree that these two organisation are a total disgrace, and there failure to provide even a minimum acceptable level of coverage of Gaelic games is an indictment of their claim  to be audience focused,is R.T.E. any better. For a so called National Broadcasting Organisation, to be unable to provide a service which covers 32 counties, or to even assert their right to do so is just as insulting to Northern Gaels
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on August 03, 2007, 01:12:09 AM
Pangurban while a good point, it is getting away from the point of this thread. For us to have any sway with the two 6 counties broadcasters we have to write to them or send signed copies of a prepared letter which could be posted here with the two addresses (for youse lazy ones out there!).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tankie on August 03, 2007, 10:12:03 AM
Should you boys not first check to see if they are correct when they say that people are not watching it? i watched that championship once or twice and thought it was shite, the one UTV used to do wasnt to bad tho.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 03, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
Adrian Logan is a real GAA man and would have total coverage but his hands are tied - I know that he has had a lot of arguments and bitter arguments with them in relation to this issue. Same with the BBC men - Sidebottom etc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: offtheground on August 03, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
I know its a dangerous road to embark on, as GAA coverage should be available to all and sundry, but Its my opinion that the GAA should have its own TV channel. It would easily attract huge interest & revenue from an advertising point of view, and since it already owns the rights, wouldn't have to pay for the footage. Not sure if it would be viable as a free to air, and i def don't want to go down the road of pay per view. but I'd def be interested if it was available for a reasonable subscription.  I'm currently paying for Setanta at £10 / month, which i got in for the league, and isn't much use to me at this time of year.
Obviously they've no experience in this sort of thing, but surely this could be a viable business if the correct team of heads was put together.
It wouldn't have to broadcast 24-7, but shouldn't be too difficult to sustain all year round by the time they'd covered all the national competitions.

Any thoughts??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 03, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
I think it would cost too much for the GAA to have it's own channel - as well as that, it would become boring and bereft of content after a while - there's only so many times you can show reruns etc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thejuice on August 03, 2007, 11:12:06 AM
well it could change into the shopping channel during the dark hours when no-one with a life is watching. The NFL hs thier own network which is very successful but it helps that its a professional organisation and the platers are almost readily available for interview unlike GAA stars who would probably be unavailable during work hours
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 03, 2007, 12:03:15 PM
If you want to know know BBCNI's GAA coverage compares with that of other sports you can put in a 'Freedom of Information' request. I put one in recently and got a reply saying they'd get back to me within 20 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on August 03, 2007, 12:06:50 PM
That will be interesting Donagh, let us know the results
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Spiritof98 on August 03, 2007, 12:19:40 PM
Adrian Logan is a real GAA man and would have total coverage but his hands are tied - I know that he has had a lot of arguments and bitter arguments with them in relation to this issue. Same with the BBC men - Sidebottom etc.

If logies trying to fight for more coverage then it is up to us to bombard the two organisations with requests for more GAA thus giving him the amunition in the boardroom, surely if there was a sustained campaign of protest (fair and peaceful ;) ) at the lack of 
GAA he would be able to make in roads with sponsers etc.

On that point could Bank of Ireland and Guinness, the two main GAA sponsers hold any sway, regarding whats on when advertising at peak times.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 03, 2007, 12:43:37 PM
We should get a petition going and hand it over to the Minister for Sport both in the Republic and the North - we're paying TV licences to get Linfield and Norn Iron, hockey and rugby wall to wall, so we should have some recourse -
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on August 03, 2007, 12:50:21 PM
Name me one gaa fan in the corridors of power in either bbc or utv?
while we're at it, name me the bbc sports boss and which part of ballymena he is from..
it's the stephen watson show there, sure he does whatever he wants and that's never gaelic
as the first post here stated, the bbc news on monday was all from the kids soccer tournament and then a quick report on the gaelic
remember watson in january declaring that ricey would get 3 months for being sent off in the dublin game under lights?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2007, 02:13:07 PM
  The war may be over in political terms but the inbuilt bigotry is continuing and in fact it's increasing.MLA's should be the first port of call but I they are off on their "teacher length" holdays at present but sure they are elected for another while now and will do nothing to canvass support until the next election. The Irish News should up the campaign they had earlier in the season and invite fat Nolan to reply instead of showing up at some Club in the midle of Tyrone to try out Gaa--go try something that is new like the rubbish that UTV showed earlier--WAKEBOARDING.
I think its the opposite

the BBC in England HQ along with UTV chiefs have realised that as part of an overall All Ireland sports coverage package, GAA is going to be left to be covered by RTE who are the experts on this.
So no point in wasting money with the TV station they will be liasing with and merging with in a couple of years time!
 :)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 09, 2007, 06:40:29 PM
Good old UTV. Not a mention of the 2 close to sold out matches in croke park this weekend involving ulster teams. Instead most of the sports bulletin taken up by talking about the wonderful attendance of 15000 at the Glentoran Man U friendly last night. I know they'll give the gaa a brief mention tomorrow night but with 2 such bg games coming up you'd think there'd be a bit of injury,ticket news etc during the week.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on August 09, 2007, 08:43:08 PM
Can't blame them for showing a good bit from the Glens match, but to ignore the GAA at the weekend is a joke, when probably 30,000 Ulster GAA fans are travelling to Dublin for GAA.
But as someone pointed out in todays Irish News, they showed as many live games from the milk cup as they did from the Ulster Championship, pathetic.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on August 09, 2007, 09:14:20 PM
Why dont all GAA people in the 6 Cos write in to UTV/BBC and point out they will not watch their Stations in future. Also any GAA owned Companies who advertise with UTV - threaten to withdraw your advertising.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on August 09, 2007, 10:48:13 PM
  The war may be over in political terms but the inbuilt bigotry is continuing and in fact it's increasing.MLA's should be the first port of call but I they are off on their "teacher length" holdays at present but sure they are elected for another while now and will do nothing to canvass support until the next election. The Irish News should up the campaign they had earlier in the season and invite fat Nolan to reply instead of showing up at some Club in the midle of Tyrone to try out Gaa--go try something that is new like the rubbish that UTV showed earlier--WAKEBOARDING.
I think its the opposite

the BBC in England HQ along with UTV chiefs have realised that as part of an overall All Ireland sports coverage package, GAA is going to be left to be covered by RTE who are the experts on this.
So no point in wasting money with the TV station they will be liasing with and merging with in a couple of years time!
 :)

Yeah BUT....HUGE NUMBERS IN NI CAN'T GET RTE.

That's why BBC NI, under their public service broadcasting obligations, should either

1. give us decent, ie comprehensive ireland wide GAA coverage, eg a magazine programme like Breaking Ball. It could be bought in or co-produced with rte.
OR
2. Admit that they're not up to the job and lobby the Govt to allow RTE to be broadcast FTA in the north.

Imho, this is one area that BBC NI should be ploughing its resources into.
Surely the whole ethos of local BBC output is to reflect how each region differs from the UK as a whole.
You couldn't get much more different than gaelic football, ie the best attended sport in NI.
Percentage wise, more people attend gaelic football in NI than watch cricket in England, yet BBC NI coverage is ZERO.

If BBC NI were a serious regional broadcaster, it would be broadcasting huge amounts of GAA to justify its existence.
I would go as far as arguing that GAA output in NI needs to be increased to match BBC NI's soccer output.
But instead, all we get is minimal 2 or 3 minutes coverage.


Look at BBC NI's soccer coverage this week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/tv_and_radio/programme_guide/html/day2.stm?1418

We have hours of soccer highlights
             hours of horse racing
             hours of rugby internationals
             hours of the london triathlon
             over an hour of motorbike racing with Stephen Watson

AND SWEET f**k ALL COVERAGE OF NORTHERN IRELAND'S BEST ATTENDED SPORT.
A COMPLETE DISGRACE.

Oh and I haven't even started on UTV.
Does anybody know wat its regional broadcasting obligations are, ie the terms under which they were granted their contract by OFCOM?

             


Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 09, 2007, 11:19:09 PM
Don't pay the licence fee - and when it goes to court, blame Stephen Watson.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Leo on August 09, 2007, 11:53:29 PM
Why dont all GAA people in the 6 Cos write in to UTV/BBC and point out they will not watch their Stations in future. Also any GAA owned Companies who advertise with UTV - threaten to withdraw your advertising.

Neither of thee things will happen. We should look at our own organisation and ask just how effective a job our various PR departments from Croke Park down are doing about it. A more effective action would be deny BBC & UTV access to teams etc. at All-Ireland final stage when they ignore it all year.

Best comment I heard in a long timme was during the wall-to-wall coverage that preceeded the Norn Iron England soccer game last year -from first item on the main new bulletin to massive newspaper coverage - and the anticipated "massive attendance" of 14,000 people - was from an old Tyrone friend who said "For f..k's sake ye'd get a bigger crowd round the chip van in Clones".

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2007, 12:02:45 AM
Wish people would quit whinging about British Broadcasters. How much GAA was on the RTE news today at 6? Some people go out of their way to be offended.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on August 10, 2007, 12:12:05 AM
I can't help but think back to a time when the OWCers where complaining about the BBC and UTV not showing enough of the local soccer and some people from laughed, stating they had little to be worried about. Then when they suggested, like a few here, of starting a letter writing campaign to the channels to highlights their concerns, yet more people here laughed and mocked them....... Just saying, that's all.......
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on August 10, 2007, 06:19:47 PM
How much GAA was on the RTE news O'Neill, wish I knew as can't get access to it.
Northern coverage of the GAA is a very worthy complaint
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on August 10, 2007, 06:25:27 PM
Derry v Dublin the first feature on tonight's UTV Sport just there now. Monaghan v Derry go a fleeting mention.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Mack the finger on August 10, 2007, 06:31:22 PM
Derry v Dublin the first feature on tonight's UTV Sport just there now. Monaghan v Derry go a fleeting mention.

And not a mention of the Nicky Rackard cup. Pathetic.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on August 10, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
BBC NI reporting live from Monaghan town in next 5-10 mins - BBC1 - tune in now!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 10, 2007, 10:40:03 PM
They're listening !!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2007, 11:11:59 PM
Don't fool yourself. BBC have always done a GAA feature on a Friday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 22, 2007, 02:12:49 PM
I take back the criticism. This week BBC have been a wonderful presenter of local sport. Last night they had a 40 minute show on international superstar David Healy. Various celebrities on including Patrick Kielty to talk about his greatness. Tonight from 7.30 to 10.00 you can watch Northern Ireland versus Liechtenstein, cant wait! If your still not satisfied then milk cup fever from 10-10.30 on bbc2 is bound to put you to bed happy. There's also build up and reaction every night on newsline. This Friday there'll be live coverage of the Ireland Italy rugby friendly. On reflection it was unfair to expect a half an hour gaa magazine programme on bbc 2 for a few weeks during the summer months.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tankie on August 22, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
why do you boys moan so much about this anyway, the bbc coverage is shit anyway. just watch rte and be happy as you's don't even pay for your gaa that way as i assume you's dont pay the Irish tv licence ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 22, 2007, 08:02:11 PM
why do you boys moan so much about this anyway, the bbc coverage is shit anyway. just watch rte and be happy as you's don't even pay for your gaa that way as i assume you's dont pay the Irish tv licence ::)

We might if yous hadn't to sell us out.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: no stirieking on August 22, 2007, 08:44:41 PM
A couple of weeks ago I was on holiday in Spain and was able  to get BBC channels including BBC NI
I made a point of watching on the Friday evening before the Derry/Dublin match.  There would be a major feature on this important game, 82000 sell out crowd etc.The major feature was Jerome Quinn in Monaghan with a Derry and a Dublin boxer and he threw the ball up between them.  It was embarrassingly pathetic
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: magickingdom on August 22, 2007, 09:25:41 PM
anyone know why rte is not available free to air all over the north? what % of the north can get it?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 22, 2007, 09:31:58 PM
Just around the border areas.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: inisceithleann on August 22, 2007, 09:49:31 PM
Just around the border areas.

I pick my signal up from a transmitter in either Sligo or Longford, not sure which. Strange thing is that my TV3 picture is better than RTÉ, but all are very good and i get my RTÉ through sky digital anyway. Is TV3 available all over the North?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 22, 2007, 10:56:54 PM
Does anyone out there have Setanta ? What is the GAA coeverage like ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tankie on August 23, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
why do you boys moan so much about this anyway, the bbc coverage is shit anyway. just watch rte and be happy as you's don't even pay for your gaa that way as i assume you's dont pay the Irish tv licence ::)

We might if yous hadn't to sell us out.

sure would u biys really give up ur free health care and all the other free stuff you's get from the Queen ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: neutral on August 23, 2007, 09:40:48 AM
I just dont watch BBC or UTV anymore if they dont cover my sports I dont watch them.. no big deal to either party Im sure. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hereiam on August 23, 2007, 10:45:01 AM
I'm with you neutral, dont watch them anymore. Only watch RTE or TV3 news. utv didn't even give out the republic's football result last nite. We have to ask ourselves what is going on, is it common policy now with the local broadcasters to try and make us more british or what by ignoring what goes on with regards to the south.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thebandit on August 23, 2007, 05:26:14 PM
Its brainwashing - they think that if they show us enough Irish League soccer that eventually we will like it!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on August 23, 2007, 08:47:01 PM
Its brainwashing - they think that if they show us enough Irish League soccer that eventually we will like it!

Gwan the Swifts!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 23, 2007, 08:52:59 PM
Just around the border areas.

I pick my signal up from a transmitter in either Sligo or Longford, not sure which. Strange thing is that my TV3 picture is better than RTÉ, but all are very good and i get my RTÉ through sky digital anyway. Is TV3 available all over the North?

I get all four southern channels loud and clear in Belfast through an aerial on the roof. I got back to the BBC today about the freedom of information request (due within 20 days) – they say now it’ll be dealt with within 20 working days.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 30, 2007, 10:32:42 AM
On the last day allowed by the Act, the BBC got back to me. Not surprisingly they have refused to give details of the amount of coverage given to each sport and the costs of the coverage. Response below:


Dear Mr xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you for your recent letter requesting information about the volume, cost and audience figures for BBCNI television and radio coverage of Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Rugby and Motorcycling.

The information which you have requested about the volume and cost of specific aspects of BBCNI’s sports output is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Schedule 1 of the Act states that the BBC and other designated public service broadcasters are covered by this legislation only in respect of information held for purposes “other than those of journalism, art and literature”. Information which is not subject to disclosure because of this derogation may otherwise be exempt from disclosure because of the application of other provisions of the Act.

The BBC receives audience data about television viewing in the UK under an agreement with the Broadcasters’ Audience Research Board (BARB) for which the BBC pays an annual subscription. Under the terms of this agreement, the BBC is entitled to use such information for its own internal purposes and may make this data more widely available in specific circumstances. Although we consider that the Act does not apply to audience data, the BBC does have a working practice (consistent with other broadcasting organisations and the terms
of its contractual agreement with BARB) of releasing some headline performance information. We will not be releasing such information or any accompanying analysis on this occasion.
Audience figures for radio listening across the UK are collated by Rajar and are subject to analogous contractual constraints. We believe that such information is not covered by the Act and will not be making it voluntarily available in response to this request.

Following discussions with colleagues however, and consistent with established practice at local level, BBCNI is prepared to voluntarily release information about the volume and range of its current sports output. The nature, extent and profile of our sports coverage is directly affected by issues relating to rights acquisition, funding constraints, market provision and the BBC’s service commitments as a whole. All of our output is delivered within the context of the BBC’s Charter and Framework Agreement and also the terms of its Service Licences and
Purpose Remits. Sports programming is an essential and prominent feature of our service offering across radio, television and online and we work hard to ensure that it reflects a broad cross-section of interests and activities.

BBC Radio Ulster broadcasts 41 Saturday Sportsound programmes each year. Much of this output focuses on Irish League soccer and includes full match commentaries from 41 fixtures. In 06/07 the station also provided live coverage of 8 Setanta Cup matches involving Irish League teams and 6 European games featuring local clubs. Its programming additionally included 8 international matches involving the Northern Ireland soccer team. Such output was
complemented by dedicated sports programming on BBC Foyle and its coverage of Derry City’s performance in the Eircom League. BBCNI also provided extensive coverage of the Milk Cup in Coleraine and soccer (together with the other sports referred to in your request) featured in news and related programming on local television and radio.

BBC Radio Ulster broadcast live match commentaries form 36 Gaelic Football matches on Sunday Sportsound and dedicated medium wave split programmes. Such programming included inter-county and club games, the National Football League and All-Ireland Club Championships. Our radio coverage was complemented by programming on BBCNI television which included highlights of the Hurling Final and live coverage of the MacRory Cup.
BBC Radio Ulster provided live coverage of Ulster team fixtures as part of the Magners League and Heiniken Cup, together with live match commentaries and analysis of fixtures involving the Ireland rugby team. The latter included 8 matches within the review period.

BBCNI television additionally provided coverage of the Magners League, Schools’ Cup and Ireland A v England A matches.
BBCNI television provided a mix of programming about motorcycling which included coverage of the Isle of Man TT, the Ulster Grand Prix and fixtures at Tandragee, Cookstown and Antrim.

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Head of Public Policy, Corporate and Community Affairs
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 30, 2007, 10:52:41 AM
Here in the wee North some things never change !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 30, 2007, 11:10:22 AM
Well at least they have admitted the output of soccer on the wireless is significantly higher than that of Gaelic football – almost double on a ratio of: 4:7 (not including the coverage on news reports).

From the looks of that letter they have no hurling output at all on the radio and next to none on the telly.

The motorcycling seems well served there with coverage of five races.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on August 30, 2007, 11:15:27 AM
who the heck is this guy and what planet is he on?! He obviously hasn't a clue about sport or what gaelic means to people. For a start, he doesn't mention the serious coverage of local soccer every saturday on final score on bbc tv, sending cameras to every single game for the whole irish league season. he doesn't mention season ticket which was mainly soccer and rugby over most of the year. and he doesn't even mention the gaa tv coverage of the ulster championship, which you would think he would be crowing about. As for 36 gaa games on radio, he is having a laugh. radio ulster all-but ignores club games and all of the radio shows were shunted around different starting times and kept on medium wave, while the saturday radio is always on both wavelengths and a much more professional show. in short, this guy is full of management speak nonsense and if he is making decisions, then i can understand why the bbc is seen as being so anti-gaa this last while.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 30, 2007, 11:34:00 AM
I was a bit peeved by the belligerent tone to the letter. He obviously has the information I requested but because (in his opinion) he is not obligated by the Act to give it, he’s not volunteering anything. The only conclusion I can draw from it is they have something to hide in regards to their coverage of sport in NI.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 30, 2007, 11:44:11 AM
Well I think the gaa has got a fair share of the budget but it only came out today. Theyve spent 17 months following Cavlan round, Im sure this took  quite a bit of resources. In relation to the Cavlan incident it again showed the media hyprocisy in this part of Ireland. The sun newspaper in the north basically does not recognise the gaa. It never mentions it. The only time it ever mentions it is in news stories when a gaa person has done wrong or something negative happens. Think the Daarran Graham incident got coverage  They have a weekly local sport pullout which failed to mention the all ireland semi involving Tyrone and Armagh which attracted 65000 fans. However today when the Cavlan story came out the front page said "GAA shock". Im not defending Cavlan in any way or that the story was reported. My problem is that they only recognise the existance of the gaa when there is a chance to show it in a negative light. As the gaa obviously has no relevance to its readers and hence the fact that it doesnt get mentioned in the sports section why does it feel the need to directly relate it to stories such as this?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on August 30, 2007, 11:46:59 AM

I assume you'll take this further for us donagh?

season ticket - obviouly i never watch this dross from steven watson but any time i flicked past it there seemed to be a golf piece on?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 30, 2007, 11:54:35 AM
Get the video recorders set. There'll be more clips of the gaa on the bbc tonight in a story about dog fighting than you'll get to see for the next 2 years!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 30, 2007, 11:56:10 AM

I assume you'll take this further for us donagh?

season ticket - obviouly i never watch this dross from steven watson but any time i flicked past it there seemed to be a golf piece on?

I'll be writing to a member of their 'Audience Council' to see if I can get some answers there but I wouldn't be confident of success as it looks like another unaccountable Quango.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/audiencecouncil/
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 30, 2007, 10:20:45 PM
Donagh, well done! I hope you continue to pursue this matter and if you want any help (I'm not sure in what form) just holler. Maith thú.The one sided and enthusiastic coverage of the minority sport that is NI soccer is overtly blatant and an insult to those of us who pay our TV licence and who love GAA.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on August 30, 2007, 11:50:38 PM
"The information which you have requested about the volume and cost of specific aspects of BBCNI’s sports output is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Schedule 1 of the Act states that the BBC and other designated public service broadcasters are covered by this legislation only in respect of information held for purposes “other than those of journalism, art and literature”. Information which is not subject to disclosure because of this derogation may otherwise be exempt from disclosure because of the application of other provisions of the Act."

Cheers Sandy. From what I can gather from the paragraph above, he is denying me access to the information because the info I requested concerns its “journalism, art and literature”. I may be wrong here but surely sports coverage doesn’t fall into any of these categories i.e. even if sports coverage comes under the category of ‘journalism’, surely information held about its journalism (sports coverage) is not held for the purpose of journalism itself and so is exempt from the Schedule he quotes.

Anyone any thoughts on my interpretation?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on August 31, 2007, 09:08:24 AM
Donagh, you may not hang around with SDLP politicians, but one way forward with this is some sort of question at Westminster. I don't know if the BBC are responsible to the local assembly in any way, but the licence fee makes them responsible to government a some level.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 31, 2007, 10:31:02 AM
The BBC discriminate against all things GAA - look at their sparse coverage and look at the over emphasis on Cavlan last night ( not that I'm condoning his behaviour by the way ).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on August 31, 2007, 06:16:16 PM
UTV showed a clip of a game on the news in a piece about Calvan, so they have heard of the GAA.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on September 01, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
"The information which you have requested about the volume and cost of specific aspects of BBCNI’s sports output is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Schedule 1 of the Act states that the BBC and other designated public service broadcasters are covered by this legislation only in respect of information held for purposes “other than those of journalism, art and literature”. Information which is not subject to disclosure because of this derogation may otherwise be exempt from disclosure because of the application of other provisions of the Act."

Cheers Sandy. From what I can gather from the paragraph above, he is denying me access to the information because the info I requested concerns its “journalism, art and literature”. I may be wrong here but surely sports coverage doesn’t fall into any of these categories i.e. even if sports coverage comes under the category of ‘journalism’, surely information held about its journalism (sports coverage) is not held for the purpose of journalism itself and so is exempt from the Schedule he quotes.

Anyone any thoughts on my interpretation?


www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/decisionnotices/2007/fs_50088733.pdf

18. In establishing the purpose for creating the requested information, the
Commissioner has applied the test of ‘functional journalism’ as utilised by the
Information Tribunal in its decision in the matter of Steven Sugar
-v-The
Information Commissioner and the British Broadcasting Corporation (Appeal
Number EA/2005/0032; (the “Sugar appeal”).

19. In the Sugar appeal, the Information Tribunal identified three elements which in
its view constituted functional journalism.
• The first is the collection or gathering, writing and verifying of materials for
publication.
• The second is editorial.
• The third is the maintenance and enhancement of the standards and quality of
journalism, particularly with respect to accuracy, balance and completeness.

Donagh,

on the basis above, I think you're sunk.
The ratio of BBC NI GAA coverage to other sports / other sports' attendances, etc would probably fall under editorial practice.
Similarly, unbalanced coverage would probably be coveredl under the third test.

Whilst BBCNI may choose to hide behind this public sector opt-out, you have got to question their rationale for doing so.
If they'd nothing to hide, they'd be quick enough at getting a rebuttal out.

On the other hand, an appeal might raise awareness of the unbalanced coverage, and might lead to greater pressure to, for example, co-commission with RTE a top quality GAA mid-week magazine programme, something like Breaking Ball.
A chin-wag with RTE over co-commissioning such a programme would easily settle the rights issue (if in fact there are any).

I'd bet my arse that the BBC have never even discussed such an option with RTE.
Rather than be constructive and attempt to give us decent GAA coverage, they rather hide behind the excuse of not having broadcast rights, even for mid-week highlight programmes.

For as long as all of the North can't get FTA RTE, the BBC should be made to give us fair coverage.
Unreal that GAA / Shinners / Stoopies haven't made more of this.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 09, 2007, 01:39:09 AM
I was watching UTV news tonight when they covered the Irish News Ulster GAA All Stars.

They started the report with "And here they are celebrating some of the things that are good in the GAA".

WTF?!?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bensars on September 09, 2007, 11:01:13 AM
I was watching UTV news tonight when they covered the Irish News Ulster GAA All Stars.

They started the report with "And here they are celebrating some of the things that are good in the GAA".

WTF?!?

And who is the sports editor of UTV?

Surely it is the man who attends more Tyrone functions than the Chairman of the County Board including Club Tyrone?

The editor decides the direction and tone of reports!

And not for free either !!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: theskull1 on September 09, 2007, 12:13:43 PM
On a side point does anyone else think that the coverage in the media of the deaths of the two young lads in tyrone has been used to try and make another negative swipe at the GAA and by not addressing  the wider issue of there being a cardiac risk in the young they are almost making the GAA guilty in some way in these two very tragic deaths?

Its what they don't say which leads people to draw there own uneducated conclusions and I think the likes of the BBC and UTV know this. Subtle but effective


http://www.c-r-y.org.uk/conferences.htm (http://www.c-r-y.org.uk/conferences.htm)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on September 09, 2007, 11:30:34 PM
This is just another news story that has been bent and twisted to focus on the GAA - But we're a very big organisation and thank God, we can think for ourselves.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on September 10, 2007, 10:56:34 AM
"Logie" has shown himself to be a big fat waste of space
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 10, 2007, 11:22:23 AM
We may be frustated with the coverage and representation of the GAA by the BBC and UTV, but personal attacks does no-one any favours and is something which I disagree with.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on September 10, 2007, 11:54:10 AM
Sorry Ziggy,
Adrian is slightly overweight & I dont believe he gives enough coverage to GAA
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
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Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on September 10, 2007, 12:11:59 PM
is it just me or did the sunday game thread just get deleted on this board??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 10, 2007, 12:13:12 PM
Yeah, but it was a stupid thread anyway.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on September 10, 2007, 12:51:38 PM
why did they delete it? Cause people were critiscising Tony Davis' punditry? ???

Will this thread get deleted if i criticise Jerome Quinn for bumming Tyrone every chance he gets?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 10, 2007, 12:52:43 PM
why did they delete it? Cause people were critiscising Tony Davis' punditry? ???

Will this thread get deleted if i criticise Jerome Quinn for bumming Tyrone every chance he gets?

No, but your avator and comment underneath might get you deleted.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tbrick18 on September 10, 2007, 01:19:59 PM
Bad and all as the coverage of GAA is at the moment, i think it will get worse.
Particularly with the anticipated bidding war that is due to start between Setanta and RTE for the rights.
Common concensus is that Setanta will get at least some games, leaving even less chance for BBC or UTV to show any live matches.

As for reporting on club games....looks like this will never happen. All these soccer matches with a couple of dozen supporters attending get continued coverage week after week where club championship games can easily attract a 1000+ supporters doesnt even get a mention.

In any other business, a company will try to maximise it's market share by appealing to as many potential consumers as possible. It is obvious that the largest market share in all of ireland when it comes to sporting audiences is that of the GAA supporter. Why then does the BBC and UTV continue to ignore them when they are at the end of a day a company trying to sell us their tv station?

My personal opinion is that both these organisiations are anti-gaa and occassionaly make some token gesture by mentioning the all-ireland final to try and disguise this fact.

What can we do about it? I dunno...apart from boycotting all other sporting events on these channels (not really a practical thing to organise). What about an online petition? Anyone know how we could get one of these sstarted?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 10, 2007, 01:27:33 PM
An on-line petition wouldn't work, as they would take no notice of it. After all, how easy is it to sign one of them.

To make to take notice, you would need to organised a structure letter writing campaign. If it is organised well with lots of people writing letters and hopefully timed to arrrive in the one day. That should make them sit up and listen.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on September 10, 2007, 01:29:25 PM
why did they delete it? Cause people were critiscising Tony Davis' punditry? ???

Will this thread get deleted if i criticise Jerome Quinn for bumming Tyrone every chance he gets?

No, but your avator and comment underneath might get you deleted.

its obviously ridiculous, John Fashanu's catchphrase, whos honestly gonna be that offended by it??? If an administrator asked me to change it I would like but anyway.

What about the GAA banning any BBC/UTV cameras or media involvement with all the matches - unless they agree to a better standard of coverage?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on September 10, 2007, 03:56:40 PM
Don't think there's anyone on here who is happy with either broadcasters coverage of the GAA.
But on the BBC NI Sport website there's actually a GAA discussion area. Jerome has started a few topics but to be honest there's about ten reply comments from the whole year, doesn't really look good for the argument of them dedicating more time/money to the GAA.
Maybe we should invade for the day!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: dubinhell on September 10, 2007, 04:14:15 PM
Don't think there's anyone on here who is happy with either broadcasters coverage of the GAA.
But on the BBC NI Sport website there's actually a GAA discussion area. Jerome has started a few topics but to be honest there's about ten reply comments from the whole year, doesn't really look good for the argument of them dedicating more time/money to the GAA.
Maybe we should invade for the day!

Just keep posting links to gaaboard from the BBCNI board. Why should people who are not catered for add to their site traffic ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 10, 2007, 06:24:28 PM
I really think someone in utv is taking the mickey. Ive said before about them deliberately putting up wrong names for gaa people on teltext and calling players strikers/wingers etc. Last night on their main news headline they said Brendan McAnnallan was calling for screening in the gaa. They said his son Conor who was a gaa coach had died suddenly. I find it hard to believe that they didnt know the right name and that he was better known as a player. Even if they didnt know the name could have been checked out within one minute before putting it up. Surely if you were writing the main story for teletext you'd check what you writing? These mistakes are either deliberate or its a real sign of ignorance by not checking the facts. Whoever is in charge of sport has to know their are no wingers or strikers in the gaa yet they seem to put it in most sports stories.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: redandblackjack on September 13, 2007, 03:52:31 PM
Did anyone else notice how the newsreaders on both channels when reporting on the funeral of young Patrick Devlin constantly kept making idiotic statements like "the Tyrone teenager collapsed and died while playing GAA"-   this happened a few times if i remember correctly! My first impression was this is a piss take.....surely they could get logie off his arse to ensure what they are reading is indeed correct!

It will be interesting to see what airtime these jokers give to the norn iron brawlers on the plane! If it had been a county player it would surely be a front runner for the 'but first' piece of the news.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: behind the wire on September 13, 2007, 03:54:20 PM
my thoughts exactly jack
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 13, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
It will be interesting to see what airtime these jokers give to the norn iron brawlers on the plane! If it had been a county player it would surely be a front runner for the 'but first' piece of the news.

In fairness, there's a bigger, more important news story today.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on September 13, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
It will be interesting to see what airtime these jokers give to the norn iron brawlers on the plane! If it had been a county player it would surely be a front runner for the 'but first' piece of the news.

Jus watched UTV live. Hardly a word about the 'Alleged' (logie's word) brawl. Barefaced bias!! Dunno why I'm surprised
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 13, 2007, 10:45:28 PM
It will be interesting to see what airtime these jokers give to the norn iron brawlers on the plane! If it had been a county player it would surely be a front runner for the 'but first' piece of the news.

Jus watched UTV live. Hardly a word about the 'Alleged' (logie's word) brawl. Barefaced bias!! Dunno why I'm surprised

I got to admit jodyb, the overdid the word alleged there, when even the IFA have admitted it happened. Made me angry to be quite honest wth you. At least the BBC didn't try that pussy-footing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 14, 2007, 09:44:49 AM
Heard a report on radio ulster this morning about a vandalism attack on a hotel in Portaferry called the Narrows, all the ground floor windows were broken overnight.

When discussing events with the owner the interview asked "was it likely that hurley sticks were used in the attack to break the windows".

The owner had more sense and said she had no such info, but in listening to the interview I wasn't even suprised when the interviewer suggested hurleys were used, it was just lazy word association journalism... Portaferry + Vandalism = hurley sticks
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: hoopsaaa on September 14, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
We should all boycott them. No more Neighbours for you Ziggy :(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on September 14, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
Quote
When discussing events with the owner the interview asked "was it likely that hurley sticks were used in the attack to break the windows".

Anyone that asks that question should be sacked.

Reminds me, someone I know went for interview recently and were stunned when they were  asked "what do you think of the police"  :o

great to see discrimination is alive and well. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on September 14, 2007, 01:46:10 PM
Quote
"what do you think of the police"

Great band, but the tickets for the Croke Pk gig are seriously expensive  :)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on September 24, 2007, 12:31:47 AM
Wouldn have a problem with that. Both bits of soccer trivia are reasonably accurate arent they? In fact, I'm surprised to see as in depth coverage of the actual games to be honest. Lets have more of it!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on September 24, 2007, 12:47:18 AM
Not sure what your point is Naomh Eanna. I dont see the issue.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on September 24, 2007, 12:56:21 AM
Im delighted that there's somebody more paranoid than me out there! Havin said that, regardless of the beeb, it's immaterial who wins Tyrone, The Shamrocks are gonna win Derry and Ulster anyway ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: KIDDO on September 24, 2007, 01:12:59 AM
Would Francie Mooney be the main source for the BBC internet and teletext coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 24, 2007, 10:04:54 AM
I can see the problem. The Gaelic article is littered with comments about the two players playing in the IFA, however nothing about them playing Gaelic in their IFA article.

Still, it wouldn't be the first thing that would annoy me with the BBC ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on October 01, 2007, 10:34:49 AM
On UTV Teletext they have reported that Crossmaglen defeated DROMINTEE in the County Final.  They even mentioned Dromintee player Ciaran McKinney.  How can they possibly have got this wrong.  Someone previously mentioned on this thread that UTV teletext must be doing it on purpose.  On Saturday they announced that GLEN were going for there 12th title in a row.  I think they are taking the piss!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lynchbhoy on October 01, 2007, 11:31:45 AM
there is the issue about the intentional non-reporting of gaelic games on bbc and utv - its a bit of a disgrace, but we are used to it by now

the other aspect if the actual reporting of the games. The standard of journalism is dreadful these days.
wrong names, incorrect teams, lack of knowledge of the championships and lets not mention the history of each local county championship and the incorrectness in almost every reference.
This is across the board for south and northern hacks, tv 'pundits' and people who you would expect to know better.

look at rte's match commentators - they are so unprofessional and lacking knowledge of sports they are paid to cover - and have been for nigh on a decade if not longer in some cases. Its almost funny.
Its not just GAA in these cases of bad commentators.

but rte are bad , bbc and utv are a pathetic disgrace
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 01, 2007, 07:29:21 PM
Get ready for a bit more GAA bashing tonight with utv insight about Darran Graham getting sectarian abuse. As Ive said constantly if the gaa isnt interesting enough for these guys to cover in any form then how come when there is something negative they are on it like a shot? Id say the insight programme tonight will devote more time to the gaa on utv than it has had over the past year. Thats a disgrace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 08:10:16 PM
Insight...
 ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on October 01, 2007, 08:15:54 PM
Well lads any insights?? I'm far away from the world of UTV, is it as bad as feared?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 08:18:17 PM
Mainly a load of shite, nothing that hasn't already been said.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 08:19:34 PM
I'll tell you what - I'm sick, sore and tired of listening to and now watching this shite !!!! UTV, BBC they're all the same - a shower of shite !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 08:21:03 PM
A bunldle of bigoted assholes - what about all the catholics palying soccer who are called Fenian bastards -week in week out !! There's not too many programmes devoted to that - it;s ok to have a dig at the GAA all the time - I'm raging !!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 08:21:57 PM
Boots going in now...

Fermanagh board wouldn't do interview, wouldn't punish anyone.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 01, 2007, 08:25:31 PM
What a load of dung
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 08:31:08 PM
We all should write to UTV and accuse them of bigotry - that programme msade by blood boil - I'm no bigot but the attcks on the GAA in the northern media are scandalous - totally outrageous !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 01, 2007, 08:35:21 PM
I thought the programme itself was well balance and Brennan gave a good account of the GAA. I'd still question the motive though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 01, 2007, 08:42:10 PM
30 minutes - that is definately the most coverage theyve given the gaa in a year. The comments were completely out of order by the players involved and its important this kind of rubbish is stamped out.  However, players up and down the country get crap every week about all sorts of nasty things by fired up opposition in gaa games. I wouldnt be suprised if the comments were more about winning the game than sectarian. Im quite sure there's alot more abuse being given out in soccer matches this last 10 years and not a word about it from bbc/utv. Its time for the gaa to release a statement about the nothern media and give some facts about the amount of coverage the games get (ie no coverage all year on utv) compared to negative news stories. The gaa could have a field day if it compared its attendances members etc against the coverage it receives by local broadcasters compared to other local sports. Time to take a stand.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 08:48:01 PM
Tyrone dreamer - agree with you 100 % -

Ziggy - I can't agree with you that the programme was balanced - for there to have been balance they  would have had to wheel out a catholic who gets called a fenian bastard when playing soccer ( which has happened and does happen ) -
There was no balance in this programme - it was just another kick at the GAA !

Again, I'm sick of it !!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 09:04:47 PM
Orangeman you could start by having a word with your county man, what a f**king bollocks!
At least Quinn does his best on the BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on October 01, 2007, 10:03:29 PM
On another note, there's some GAA coverage on the BBC's website - i know it's not news to anyone here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7022643.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7022643.stm)




looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 10:15:11 PM
Oints - let's try and stay on the subject - BBC - UTV - nothing to do with Ricey ( I assume that's who you're referring to is it ? ) - UTV - BBC = BIGOTS !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 10:19:57 PM
Sorry - Pints - Logie is a bollocks - how do you make that one out ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 10:35:16 PM
Sorry - Pints - Logie is a bollocks - how do you make that one out ?
He is the sports editor of UTV and a so called GAA man (at least when he's picking up envelopes) how much coverage does GAA get on the news?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on October 01, 2007, 10:39:03 PM
Can't wait 'til Corrie starts again. Carla's going to get a riding.

She didn't get it  ;D But back to the point

Not surprised about what UTV try and pass as investigative journalism, poor fair. I don't agree with the comments being made against the young fella or the comments that are made on club and county fields up and down the 32 counties, but they are a part of life and he knows it! Some dickheads are always going to push it too far and you have to be prepared for this. Going crying to the gutter media didn't help this situation. I'm sure Peter Whitnell probably listened to much worse.



Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 10:40:23 PM
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I'm not going to get involved in this as it doesn't interest me but I'm sure Logie doesn't choose what makes the news.

Hes the sports editor, he picks what goes on the sports news, in what order and how much time it's given, that's his job.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
I heard Logie had a blazing row a year or two ago over the issue of GAA coverage - story goes he told them that they were not balnced in their approach to gaa ( I don't think it was quite just as diplomatic as that ) - there followed a big row - the gaa weekly programme was pulled -

A bit like the health minister not allowing the adverts to be translated into Irish - it;s perfectly ok to have them in Scots but not in Irish !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on October 01, 2007, 10:54:19 PM
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She didn't get it
 
I know, he should just horse it into Rosie.

He should, but Ziggy will tell ya she's too young! Anyway, thats enough of that, wrong tread!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 01, 2007, 10:56:36 PM
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I heard Logie had a blazing row a year or two ago over the issue of GAA coverage - story goes he told them that they were not balnced in their approach to gaa ( I don't think it was quite just as diplomatic as that ) - there followed a big row - the gaa weekly programme was pulled -
Maybe so orangeman but that doesn't explain the sports news and why gaa is hardly mentioned.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 11:00:51 PM
Honestly pints, I'd say if Logie had his way, GAA would get a lot more coverage - It looks like he's just there picking up an envelope at the end of the month and can't take on the establishment -

Why don't we get a petition going and send it to him / UTV for their comments ? I agree that UTV coverage is crap and then to add insult to injury you get this shite tonight about sectarianism in the gaa  !!!!! FFS
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tyssam5 on October 01, 2007, 11:01:56 PM
A bunldle of bigoted assholes - what about all the catholics palying soccer who are called Fenian bastards -week in week out !! There's not too many programmes devoted to that - it;s ok to have a dig at the GAA all the time - I'm raging !!!

Didn't see the program, but I played a right bit of soccer in North Down a few years back and would regularly have been called a Fenian Ba$tard etc., also a lot of the opposing players (and scarily referees too on more than one occasion!) were sporting a fine array of Loyalist tattoos. I was shocked, not. Can't wait for my program.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 11:05:44 PM
Don't worry tyssam5 - there won't be a programme on this - it's ok to have a go at the auld gaa but it's not ok to have a go at soccer etc -
Worse than that was the response from the GAA - running scared, apologising to all and sundry and putting him up in Dublin and tickets to the match  -
FFS -sure we get the shit kiked out of us week in week out and all the abuse of the day from referees etc and we don't get any apologies or free tickets to the AI final !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tyroneman on October 02, 2007, 09:15:14 AM
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I played a right bit of soccer in North Down a few years back and would regularly have been called a Fenian Ba$tard etc., also a lot of the opposing players (and scarily referees too on more than one occasion!) were sporting a fine array of Loyalist tattoos. I was shocked, not. Can't wait for my program.

Have to agree with you there - I played a lot of North Down and Amateur League soccer in my time and the sectarian abuse was unreal. Teams from places like the West Winds estate in Ards, Portavogie, Tullycarnet etc etc were nothing but bigoted thugs who the referees ALWAYS turned a blind ear to.

Funny though that it took other, shall we say more unionist leaning, teams to complain before any league action was taken. Problem was that the assh**es from these teams always filtered into other teams from those areas and started the same old nonsense all over again.

I'd love to see an expose on this trype of S**T but then "football for all" may not be as seen just as snowy white as it's made out to be eh?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lynchbhoy on October 02, 2007, 09:20:42 AM
A bunldle of bigoted assholes - what about all the catholics palying soccer who are called Fenian bastards -week in week out !! There's not too many programmes devoted to that - it;s ok to have a dig at the GAA all the time - I'm raging !!!

thats a fair point.
Having become immune to all of that by now, I'd forgotten all about it.
Still,the lack of balance and parity is no longer missed by me either.
What you never had, you'll never miss.

Still, as an organisation, we need to rid ourselves of this kind of claptrap.
Team mates in each and every team have to stand up for their players - even if it means brawls.
looks like the only way Irish society takes note of anything....
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 09:42:46 AM
Sent a comment to UTV on their website regarding the lack of good coverage. You can tick if you want a response and it says all comments 'will be seen by senior management'. The reply should be interesting
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 09:46:15 AM
This is what I sent:

Why is the GAA coverage so sparse on UTV, when it is the most popular spectator sport in Northern Ireland? The news bulletins are so brief as to be ridiculous. Could you also explain why your channel dedicates more time to showing the GAA in a negative light (last nights Spotlight) than it does on big matches (which up to 80,000 people attend)

If anyone else wants to leave a comment, this is the link:

http://u.tv/progcomments.asp

You can leave your phone number and e-mail address for a response

*got a response to the email:

Dear ________

Thank you for e-mailing UTV.

We appreciate when viewers take the time to get in touch as your comments
are very important to us and your particular point of view will be seen by
UTV senior management.

Yours sincerely
UTV
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: corn02 on October 02, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
Just read this thread from start to finish and there are a number of valid points.

The coverage has been poor but luckily I do not watch it because I get my fix on RTE.

I am more interested in peoples views on a GAA channell. I know there quite a number of officials who would support a channell in the coming years. I personally think it would be a viable project especially if it was linked onto the excellent Setanta package. Any views on this? If anyone has seen channel 442 on sky ESPN Classic, I would feel A GAA channel could keep a similar format like TG4 Gold. I believe the channel would suit best if the majority was re run of classic games so that the rest of the shows i.e highlights would be good shows and not just rushed to be filler.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 02, 2007, 12:14:26 PM
I watched the programme and thought it was not too bad. I don’t care what happens in soccer, I expect more form our organisation and from anyone who considers themselves a Republican. No excuses lads and its sickening to see some of you in any way condoning what happened to this lad. To think what he overcame and can play our games without bitterness is a testament to him and really we have to reach across the divide and make our games accessible to all people the people in Ireland – be that immigrants from Africa or Unionists. No room for “what aboutry” – the GAA should hold itself to higher standards as we are the leading cultural, social and sporting organistion in Ireland.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 12:17:46 PM
I watched the programme and thought it was not too bad. I don’t care what happens in soccer, I expect more form our organisation and from anyone who considers themselves a Republican. No excuses lads and its sickening to see some of you in any way condoning what happened to this lad. To think what he overcame and can play our games without bitterness is a testament to him and really we have to reach across the divide and make our games accessible to all people the people in Ireland – be that immigrants from Africa or Unionists. No room for “what aboutry” – the GAA should hold itself to higher standards as we are the leading cultural, social and sporting organistion in Ireland.

aye but we still get shafted by the media
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rav67 on October 02, 2007, 12:26:32 PM
Have to agree with scalder on this one.  Orangeman- we have to set higher standards and better be that given the status of the GAA in Ireland and its history.

The abuse Graham got was also made worse by the fact that he was the only Prod on the pitch and possibly even in the ground when the abuse happened, so it was nothing short of cowardly bullying.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2007, 12:32:54 PM
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No excuses lads and its sickening to see some of you in any way condoning what happened to this lad.
Who's condoning what happened?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 12:39:07 PM
I completely agree with what scalder and rav say here, but isn't the main focus of this thread the negative coverage by the BBC/UTV?

Because of the perception of the GAA they have broadcast we are now talking about problems and scandal in the organisation instead of getting highlights of Paddy Bradleys 10 point display against Ballinderry, for example

I think the positives should be broadcast to the public. They arent
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rav67 on October 02, 2007, 12:51:56 PM
I know people do make an issue of UTV coverage I never watch it to be honest so not in a position to comment regarding bias, I get all my news from reading Irish News really. 

Perhaps it was straying from the point into an old argument but I just feel some people seem to be condoning it because sectarian abuse happens in soccer, IMO its even worse if it happens in our games because it's nothing less than bullying due to such low numbers of Protestants in the GAA.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 12:57:48 PM
I know people do make an issue of UTV coverage I never watch it to be honest so not in a position to comment regarding bias, I get all my news from reading Irish News really. 

Perhaps it was straying from the point into an old argument but I just feel some people seem to be condoning it because sectarian abuse happens in soccer, IMO its even worse if it happens in our games because it's nothing less than bullying due to such low numbers of Protestants in the GAA.

who seems to be condoning it?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: rrhf on October 02, 2007, 01:29:20 PM
Zero tolerance is the best way forward, to racists, homophobes, sectarian abuse and all who actively engage in discrimination.  Zero tolerance - not an inch more or less. Its good to see the GAA has acted on this and each county and club should ensure that in future the ability to deal with the problem is clear and predetermined, active dismissal from the organisation.  I am confident that this is in place in a number of clubs.

This dosent take away from the fact that the programme was rubbish.... poor quality tv and I believe the level of sectarianism would not normally have warranted a TV programme but for the fact it was a game of hurling.  I admire the bravery of the young man involved and for those who disgracefully thought he was courting publicity,  i dont think he really understood what the TV camera was doing there either.   As for telly material  I genuinely think there were more obvious examples in N Ireland of sectarianism in sport and was a classic case of looking for the needle but ignoring all the sowing machines in the haystack.  Its quite obvious that the now sinister campaign of certain media against the GAA is in the open.   Its war.  They have now played their cards.  There is a unwritten willingness to keep Gaelic Games as poor relations to soccor and rubgy in the North.  How can this be overcome? The organisation of Gaelic games is unrivalled North and South of the border.  This has now become a serious Public Relations issue and whilst the sheer honesty of the GAA in comparison to the other organisataions shines through it is now in this cynical day and age  a naive approach to rely on.  The GAA needs to be able to spin just like everyione else. After all it has the substance beneath the surface to deliver on the spin..Currently the GAA pr and marketing department need to look at themselves.  they cant afford to have the amateur and negative vibes of Spillane and co involved in the main televised promotional point for Gaelic Games.   They also cant afford not to publicly address the main issues which affect  their membership.  After watching RTE, BBC and UTV cover their games often extremely negatively,  the GAA should look very carefully at the positive aspect that the quality of Setanta might bring.  Give Setanta or even TV3 the rights to everything, and make them bloody pay for it and just like Sky covering 2000 people screaming abuse at each other at an Irish league game sectarian fest and where BBC and UTV the following day were fawning over the brief highlights on the  historic night for N Irish soccor, let BBC and UTV buy those highlights off the sky based channel.  The problem is we have given a lot away for very little over the years. It may now be time  for the television companies to earn it. It may now bwe the time for the GAA to realise that the should not be anybodys poor relation they need to deny the rights to these companies and let them ultimately suffer.  I for one am considering whether to pay a TV license ever again.  Maybe we expect too much.  theres been an awful lot of balancing the books over the years at various other levels.  Its a PC world we now live in.  The media are just trying to carve themselves an angle in all of this.  Its time for the GAA to rise above it all.     
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: illdecide on October 02, 2007, 01:30:56 PM
Ive no issues with the lad, fair play to him for playing GAA coming from his family backround that takes some balls and it shows that he is not bitter, if he was he would not be mixing with the Fenian's in the first place.

My problem is with the BBC and UTV Bastards they just can't wait to nail the GAA with every opportunity they get, i don't see documentary's about 82,500 people in Croke park all mixed together with in most cases 4 different teams (2 minor and 2 senior) and no trouble whatsoever or about what the GAA clubs have done for the communities that they serve. No UTV has to point out that it was the only places to go in the troubles and all that bad publicity last night.

Wankers Wankers Wankers, i hate them all. And if i could set up something to bombard them with how most of the GAA people feel about this i would...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: rrhf on October 02, 2007, 01:56:11 PM
Not a bit. 
Where this scaremongering and negativity is aimed at is not the existing GAA organisation and members but the those that the GAA are going to be trying to welcome into the organisation, the new market.  I suspect existing GAA members would know the qualities of their clubs and organisations and know that the GAA isnt what it is being portrayed as.  But the controlled primary schools and secondary schools that are at this point unsure will be noting last nights programme and it may just confirm their own prejudices.. The GAA are more than a sporting organisation and in many ways they are simply a group of irish people.  When did the irish ever get it easy?   ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 02, 2007, 02:17:34 PM
Wankers Wankers Wankers, i hate them all. And if i could set up something to bombard them with how most of the GAA people feel about this i would...

Get stuck in then, apparently they will reply

http://u.tv/progcomments.asp

If enough of yous send comments, at least we might get some answers
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 02, 2007, 02:31:24 PM
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If enough of yous send comments, at least we might get some answers

Who knows, they might even make a programme about this thread!    ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rav67 on October 02, 2007, 03:14:50 PM


Perhaps it was straying from the point into an old argument but I just feel some people seem to be condoning it because sectarian abuse happens in soccer, IMO its even worse if it happens in our games because it's nothing less than bullying due to such low numbers of Protestants in the GAA.
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who seems to be condoning it?
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You dont have to read far back on this thread to see some posters engaging in whataboutery.

Zero tolerance is the best way forward, to racists, homophobes, sectarian abuse and all who actively engage in discrimination.  Zero tolerance - not an inch more or less. Its good to see the GAA has acted on this and each county and club should ensure that in future the ability to deal with the problem is clear and predetermined, active dismissal from the organisation.  I am confident that this is in place in a number of clubs.

This dosent take away from the fact that the programme was rubbish.... poor quality tv and I believe the level of sectarianism would not normally have warranted a TV programme but for the fact it was a game of hurling.  I admire the bravery of the young man involved and for those who disgracefully thought he was courting publicity,  i dont think he really understood what the TV camera was doing there either.   As for telly material  I genuinely think there were more obvious examples in N Ireland of sectarianism in sport and was a classic case of looking for the needle but ignoring all the sowing machines in the haystack.  Its quite obvious that the now sinister campaign of certain media against the GAA is in the open.   Its war.  They have now played their cards.  There is a unwritten willingness to keep Gaelic Games as poor relations to soccor and rubgy in the North.  How can this be overcome? The organisation of Gaelic games is unrivalled North and South of the border.  This has now become a serious Public Relations issue and whilst the sheer honesty of the GAA in comparison to the other organisataions shines through it is now in this cynical day and age  a naive approach to rely on.  The GAA needs to be able to spin just like everyione else. After all it has the substance beneath the surface to deliver on the spin..Currently the GAA pr and marketing department need to look at themselves.  they cant afford to have the amateur and negative vibes of Spillane and co involved in the main televised promotional point for Gaelic Games.   They also cant afford not to publicly address the main issues which affect  their membership.  After watching RTE, BBC and UTV cover their games often extremely negatively,  the GAA should look very carefully at the positive aspect that the quality of Setanta might bring.  Give Setanta or even TV3 the rights to everything, and make them bloody pay for it and just like Sky covering 2000 people screaming abuse at each other at an Irish league game sectarian fest and where BBC and UTV the following day were fawning over the brief highlights on the  historic night for N Irish soccor, let BBC and UTV buy those highlights off the sky based channel.  The problem is we have given a lot away for very little over the years. It may now be time  for the television companies to earn it. It may now bwe the time for the GAA to realise that the should not be anybodys poor relation they need to deny the rights to these companies and let them ultimately suffer.  I for one am considering whether to pay a TV license ever again.  Maybe we expect too much.  theres been an awful lot of balancing the books over the years at various other levels.  Its a PC world we now live in.  The media are just trying to carve themselves an angle in all of this.  Its time for the GAA to rise above it all.     


Must say I agree with a lot of rrhf's sentiments although I would like to see all big games retained on RTE so the older generation can still see them.  You are certainly correct in raising the issue that even the GAA media (Spillane etc) sometimes run our games down.  A 0-0 draw on Sky often still has Andy Gray analysing and waxing lyrical about the game with Richard Keys fawning all over him.  The vast majority of AI championship fare is much more entertaining yet RTE panelitst seem to love criticising the game when they can.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 02, 2007, 03:31:35 PM
Lets start from the beginning, in my eyes anway.

What happened to Darren was an absoluate disgrace and should never have happened. The people who did it are nothing but knuckle draggers. Fermanagh County Board did all they could and Darren seems satisified with that. There is now a policy in place and ensure this if this happens again, something can be done about it.

As for UTV, well they took what was a non-story and ran with it. Even Darren seems to be surprised with the attention the story got. He appeared to just want an apology, but the media wouldn't let it rest.

As some of the posters have stated above, catholic soccer player receive similar abuse up and around Down, but where are the reporters and journalist there?

I, unlike most here, do not blame Logie for this. Sure he's the Sport's Editor, but ultimately he doesn't have the final say. He would be told what to put in his segments. The fact that he has a bust up with UTV a few years back, appears to show that. Anyway, personal insults help no-one. Certainly doesn't show us in a favourable light, rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: rrhf on October 02, 2007, 04:54:23 PM
Broadcasting services:
I was never a fan of pay per view, but I believe the initial delivery has to be quality ie the setanta broadcast and if the secondary portions ie to UTV and BBC are of qulaity then you are guranteed a better presentation.  The setanta presentation for one game the DUBS V TYRONE UNDER LIGHTS was exceptional.  Maybe that was their sales pitch.  RTES performance is on the wain and is generally highly critical of the games.  They cannot claim it in their rights as  national broadcaster if they perform as badly for the GAA as they have been doing so.    TG4 have been the most generous of all and maybe could be encouraged to be the voice of club championship football with highlights also for all the big games. BBC and UTV are available to the highest bidder.  Thats not the GAA at the moment but maybe the highlights they crave would be better delieved through Setanta than RTE.  I believe the snubbing of both channels by the GAA in the south over the last image rights may have contributed to the negative situation also and has to be rectified.   
The market:   
The GAA has the ability over the next 10 - 15 years to strengthen with schooling in particular in N ireland having possibly been guilty of discrimination against it.  Unfortunately some may see this to be at the expense of rugby and soccor.  Im not sure that it is at all.  All sporting progress is to be welcomed,  Do you really think think the rugby and soccor afficionados will be crying into their starters tonight, about the negative publicity generated by previously deemed unimportant gulpins from Kinawley direction. No i suspect they will have a lighter skip in their step as they go about their business, safe in the knowledge that their work is being done for them... that negative PR in relation to the GAA is as important as positive PR of their own. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 02, 2007, 05:22:08 PM
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The setanta presentation for one game the DUBS V TYRONE UNDER LIGHTS was exceptional

rrhf, I signed up with Setanta on the evening of that game and I remember being very disappointed with the commentary on the match and the almost lethargic discussion at half and full time which generated absolutely no atmosphere. Visually the game was well covered but the rest left me cold! Eugene Magee was one of the studio pundits that night but I can't remember who the others were.

However anything would be better than what BBC and UTV offer!

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 02, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
But we pay for what BBC and UTV are supposed to produce via the licence fee !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2007, 05:46:56 PM
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You dont have to read far back on this thread to see some posters engaging in whataboutery.
So whataboutery is the same as condoning?  That's a new one on me.

With people like scalder and Rav67 who needs UTV or BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rav67 on October 02, 2007, 08:38:44 PM
POG- it condones it by implication.

Me and scalder's comments are hardly those of gaa-haters
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 02, 2007, 09:07:02 PM
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POG- it condones it by implication.
No it doesnt.  People made the point that the same thing happens in soccer and no programmes are made, they didn't condone what happened and I've no doubt they'd be among the first to condem what happened to Graham. 

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 02, 2007, 09:34:01 PM
Orangeman, UTV are a commercial broadcaster, they do not get any cut of the licence fee.

It could be argued that we buy the products that advertise on the channel.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 02, 2007, 09:43:49 PM
Sorry - forgot about the licence fee goes to BBC -
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on October 03, 2007, 12:21:39 PM
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However if you feel strong about it there may be a clause regarding UTVs broadcasting contract that could allow yourself to make a complaint to Ofcom. E.g. not providing a fair and balanced view on a matter.

There is no scope for a complaint to Ofcom etc about this specific programme. It give both sides of the story by talking to the GAA and interviewed Brennan etc. In fact it wasn't the worst programme as such. The problem is the overall balance of coverage, lack of coverage of GAA games, emphasis on the negative and ignoring the positive. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 03, 2007, 05:30:13 PM
Yeah not GAA hating at all, I just love it so much that I don’t want to see it tarnished and well I want us to maintain the highest standards. Comparing ourselves to soccer is like comparing a fine wine with a can of stale Dutch Gold. As for the BBC and UTV situations your right there is a bias but viewing figures drive these things, so vote with your feet and switch them off – BBC should also be lobbied as they must have a mandate to be even handed in their coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Puckoon on October 05, 2007, 05:33:39 AM
Posted by whiskeysteve:
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This is what I sent:

Why is the GAA coverage so sparse on UTV, when it is the most popular spectator sport in Northern Ireland? The news bulletins are so brief as to be ridiculous. Could you also explain why your channel dedicates more time to showing the GAA in a negative light (last nights Spotlight) than it does on big matches (which up to 80,000 people attend)
It was on insight, numbnuts.

Anyway, I would never condone the sectarian abuse that Darren Graham was subjected to and I would agree that it has no place in the GAA. I am not going to start on whataboutery as I would be here all week. However, will this problem ever be dealt with? How can it be dealt with? I have played football with and against members of the travelling community/locationally challenged or whatever the correct term may be, and they have suffered the same abuse, as has everyone who ever played football. How can the GAA change this attitude? If they are at fault they will need to think fast due to the number of foreign nationals taking up Gaelic games. I don't think that the problem lies with the GAA but I don't know who it lies with. These attitudes definitely didn't come from the GAA that I grew up with. In my opinion, they came from the street, homes, news or anywhere that people may pick up opinions towards other people. Does this lie with the GAA? Was I ever told in the changing room that someone was a "wee black bastard"? No and I don't think that it has ever happened. I have been called manys a thing while playing football and hurling, sometimes by my friends and very often my own team mates.. Things get out of hand at times in any game but you cannot blame the association on it. That is my problem with the Darren Graham saga.

Apologies to skull1 and 5iveTimes for the length of this post.

Thats an interesting point hardstation. An angle I hadnt thought about before. Still though, the association is the back drop for the scenario, so they are ultimately responsible for clearing up the mess, or at least appearing to. Its kind of like a nightclub that discovers someone selling drugs. They didnt bring the badness in, but they certainly need to get it sorted out.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 05, 2007, 04:26:47 PM
According to Gaelic Life, the BBC are going to cease covering club matches on the radio from now on. Sunday Sportsounds will only cover inter-county games.

This is a disgrace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 05, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
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According to Gaelic Life, the BBC are going to cease covering club matches on the radio from now on.

When did this start? I was travelling from Donegal last Sunday and tried unsuccessfully to get the score (on BBC) from Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on October 05, 2007, 05:38:31 PM
It's funny/sad that has no-one has noticed this (probably cos of the way radio ulster has diluted its coverage steadily over the last few years and cos people just use highland or omagh radio or whatever) but they haven't had a sunday show since August! they just dropped it, just like that. imagine if they had done that on saturday. the sunday show was a bit of an instution since the 70s and now there isn't even a result or report to be found. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on October 07, 2007, 04:06:50 PM
I have to say I'm disappointed that there is no radio coverage of the club games in Ulster today, it has been on every other year. I was hoping to hear coverage of the Antrim Hurling Final but Gardeners' corners phone in is on instead.To find that Sunday Sportsound is not on in any guise, neither in the afternoon, or a results service after the six o’clock news is very disappointing, at an important stage of the GAA club season.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 07:16:49 PM
Let's stop taling about it and instead do something about it !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 07, 2007, 07:26:02 PM
Let's stop taling about it and instead do something about it !




Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 07:53:14 PM
Good man Ziggy - that's a start !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on October 07, 2007, 08:27:51 PM
Let's stop taling about it and instead do something about it !

I've sent them an e-mail to complain, whether it gets a reply I don't know.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 08:34:36 PM
You'll get a reply alright - a bullshit one ! I'm told they have a prepared statement for fenian GAA followers !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 07, 2007, 11:03:24 PM
Posted by whiskeysteve:
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This is what I sent:

Why is the GAA coverage so sparse on UTV, when it is the most popular spectator sport in Northern Ireland? The news bulletins are so brief as to be ridiculous. Could you also explain why your channel dedicates more time to showing the GAA in a negative light (last nights Spotlight) than it does on big matches (which up to 80,000 people attend)
It was on insight, numbnuts.

Like it makes a big difference, you nerd
Title: UTV & BBC
Post by: 5 Sams on October 08, 2007, 10:05:34 AM
Good Morning Ulster had Mayobridge winning the Down Championship at qtr past 7 this morning. By qtr past 8 the scoreline had changed after a few text messages from Longstone :o :o
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bogball XV on October 08, 2007, 10:16:28 AM
According to Gaelic Life the only Ulster Club match that will get any radio coverage is the Ulster final - at this stage even I'm starting to think that there's more than just paranoia here!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 08, 2007, 01:12:27 PM
Did anyone else see UTV Live on Friday.. I think it was?

Did you feel that they were making a big song and dance about the fact that Marty Clarke supports Norn Iron over RoI? It was a report about his first year down under.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on October 08, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
10 thousand at casement yesterday but bbc didn't even carry a result until radio this morning. sunday radio has vanished! they have shut down and let down all the people at county finals. they used to have reports and interviews on these games, for years. who made this decision? its obviously something they have thought about. no problem there with insulting gaa folk. are they stupid or just ignorant? all the irish league games were on the same radio station on saturday for hours, including a ridiculous phone-in with about 5 eejits. oh and glentoran had a 'party' yesterday. were bbc television there? oh yes. where they at all the irish league games on saturday adn willl they be before the gaelic report on tv tonight? as usual...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on October 08, 2007, 01:59:08 PM
UTV did an excellent piece on Friday night on ex-GAA player Martin Clarke, although Martin had to profess his love for the Northern Ireland soccer team as part of the piece.

http://u.tv/utvlive_stream/asx/20071005-hi.asx
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bensars on October 08, 2007, 02:18:00 PM
Tune into radio ulster this saturday between 3 and 5. ( Full match commentaries , Reports and updates from  soccer grounds all over the place. Total attendence wouldnt be much over 20,000 IMO )


Tune into radio ulster this Sunday between 3 and 5. ( Some county finals )


Compare and contrast.  You wont believe until youve actually compared the depth of coverage
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gnevin on October 09, 2007, 09:33:48 AM
 How many clubs games has rte/tg4/others shown ?  RTE/TG4/others have shown 0 and reported on 0 as far as i know so it no just a UTV/BBC issue 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: his holiness nb on October 09, 2007, 09:51:28 AM
How many clubs games has rte/tg4/others shown ?  RTE/TG4/others have shown 0 and reported on 0 as far as i know so it no just a UTV/BBC issue 

TG4 have showed club finals live for two weeks in a row Gnevin, last week was the Armagh final (I think this was followed by deferred full coverage of another) then Sunday gone was the Sligo final live then deferred full coverage of the Down Final.
They are planning live finals most weeks with full deferred matches too, fair play to them.

These are also being replayed on Setanta during the week.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: inthemixer on October 09, 2007, 10:53:44 PM
jerome quinn is an awesome pundit
jarlath burns knows his stuff
martin mc hugh is a god
and austy is immense
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gnevin on October 10, 2007, 12:03:23 PM
How many clubs games has rte/tg4/others shown ?  RTE/TG4/others have shown 0 and reported on 0 as far as i know so it no just a UTV/BBC issue 

TG4 have showed club finals live for two weeks in a row Gnevin, last week was the Armagh final (I think this was followed by deferred full coverage of another) then Sunday gone was the Sligo final live then deferred full coverage of the Down Final.
They are planning live finals most weeks with full deferred matches too, fair play to them.

These are also being replayed on Setanta during the week.
While thats all well and good a championship is more than just a final and While this is better than nothing its hard to point fingers are BBC/UTV when our national broadcaster gives 0 coverage to these.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: his holiness nb on October 10, 2007, 12:21:00 PM
Easy to point the fingert GNevin if you live in the North and cant get these games on free to air tv.

Rte/TV3/Tnag, doesnt really matter once you can see them.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: clawaddy on October 15, 2007, 10:23:08 AM
Was in Celtic Park yesterday with about 7000 others.  I brought my radio to follow the other games and reports.  Nothng! On my way up I listened in at 5minutes  to 1 to here the latest GAA news, teams etc. Nothing!  On my way home surely there would be at least the usual Sunday Sport programme after 6news. Nothing! where has happened to the GAA coverage?  Are we not entitled to expect the same sports coverage as soccer gets on Saturday. There were even  larger crowds in Omagh and other venues yet these games did not merit any coverage.  There was probably more at one of these games than all the Saturday soccer games in total. Are we back to the bad old days when our games did not get a mention except when there was something negative to report
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 15, 2007, 10:26:08 AM
yes
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bensars on October 15, 2007, 10:30:15 AM
Tune into radio ulster this saturday between 3 and 5. ( Full match commentaries , Reports and updates from  soccer grounds all over the place. Total attendence wouldnt be much over 20,000 IMO )


Tune into radio ulster this Sunday between 3 and 5. ( Some county finals )


Compare and contrast.  You wont believe until youve actually compared the depth of coverage

Your Honour i rest my case  ::)

Was in Celtic Park yesterday with about 7000 others.  I brought my radio to follow the other games and reports.  Nothng! On my way up I listened in at 5minutes  to 1 to here the latest GAA news, teams etc. Nothing!  On my way home surely there would be at least the usual Sunday Sport programme after 6news. Nothing! where has happened to the GAA coverage?  Are we not entitled to expect the same sports coverage as soccer gets on Saturday. There were even  larger crowds in Omagh and other venues yet these games did not merit any coverage.  There was probably more at one of these games than all the Saturday soccer games in total. Are we back to the bad old days when our games did not get a mention except when there was something negative to report
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 15, 2007, 10:44:37 AM
RTÉ radio sport was giving the results to the majority of county finals and semis around the country – didn’t hear any reports but I wasn’t listening all day so they well have had some. Newstalk had a great piece for a half hour if not more on Portlaois GAA club and their plans to see up and move to a new facility, what was involved in this, about the decision etc, very interesting and fair play to all involved, 5 year plan in place  targeting all Ireland hurling and football glory – inspiring stuff but are they growing too big would be my only question, would it not be better to have a few clubs in the town rather than an Kilmacud style mega club.

I hope the GAA can tie in club coverage to any new TV and radio deal, its especially important if we are pruning the intercounty season that the coverage does not contract too.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on October 15, 2007, 11:09:51 AM
the comparison with rte or anyone else is not the point. the point is that bbc bosses have made a conscious decision to withdraw their radio coverage on sundays. this means that the well-established sunday show has gone. completely. nothing at all on bbc radio or tv at all on sundays. saturdays still have 3 or 4 hours of coverage (including a ridiculous phone-in) which may not mean much to anyone in the deep south, but it means that all the local soccer has its own programme (and a tv programme as well on saturdays) whereas the gaa fans are being discriminated against, and that's not too strong a word for it. think about it - thousands of gaa fans at finals and semi-finals yesterday, but the bbc ignores it. is suggest you or your clubs and counties get the finger out - phone talkback, write letters in, whatever. i know our club is compiling a letter cos our chairman spoke to one of teh gaa reporters for a steer last week on who to send it to.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 15, 2007, 11:18:07 AM
Question for our 6 county friends, what Irish radio and TV stations can you receive, what do you listen to and why? Could RTÉ do more to make it relevant to northern viewers/listeners?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on October 15, 2007, 11:37:00 AM
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Question for our 6 county friends, what Irish radio and TV stations can you receive, what do you listen to and why? Could RTÉ do more to make it relevant to northern viewers/listeners?

RTE has nothing got to do with it. Radio Ulster and UTV are Irish, their remit is to provide a service to an area of Ireland, this thread discusses whether they do this in a partisan way. As Radio Ulster have diminished their Sunday sports coverage, while retaining their Saturday coverage then they have diminished coverage of sports played on a Sunday, not only the GAA. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 15, 2007, 11:39:39 AM
Question for our 6 county friends, what Irish radio and TV stations can you receive, what do you listen to and why? Could RTÉ do more to make it relevant to northern viewers/listeners?

Cant pick up rte in a lot of places without sky (belfast, etc). Its a pity that RTE have been running with an effective monopoly for so long (though I see this is changing) as it is reflected in the some of the recent shite aspects of The Sunday Game. Decent competition would give them a kick up the arse.

I'm sure RTE could give Ulster more coverage. How many times did Des Cahill and The Road To Croker venture into the black6? As for the coverage of Ulster teams in this years championship, i'm not sure, but as a Derry man I would have thought that Derry V Armagh, Mayo and Laios would have warranted some more coverage than brief highlights - the hurling definitely seemed to take precedence this year.

Personally I'd like to see BBC and UTV cameras banned from GAA grounds until they justify their presence with decent coverage. I'd rather they fucked off and cover bowls/rowing or some other minnow than insult us with lip service
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 15, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
Just checked there were 10 episodes of The Road to Croker. 1 went to Monaghan and was the sole Ulster episode. Ulster GAA coverage is a bit of lip service all round really
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 15, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
If the BBC wish to ban GAA coverage then thats their choice fair enough, BUT, if there was a free for all in one of yesterdays county finals it would have made the f**king headlines. blanket ban or no ban.
but not one of us on here can do a thing about it
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 15, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
As far as the BBC & UTV are concerned, where it involves the GAA, no news (about fighting, free-for-alls, general anarchy on the pitch) is not good news... it's no news, and as simply sport they won't bother their arses reporting it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 15, 2007, 12:31:22 PM
If the BBC wish to ban GAA coverage then thats their choice fair enough, BUT, if there was a free for all in one of yesterdays county finals it would have made the f**king headlines. blanket ban or no ban.
but not one of us on here can do a thing about it

The Ulster council could maybe do something about it. They could negociate better coverage, doubtful they will be treated with any respect, in which case they could ban the UTV/BBC cameras. Sure you wouldnt miss their coverage PLUS they wouldnt have the chance to stick the boot when something negative happens (as they are o so fond of doing).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 15, 2007, 04:38:17 PM
In fairness the hurling this year was by in large far more entertaining than the football (which bar a couple of games – despite there being more of them – was flat) Kerry V Monaghan and the Dublin games are the only ones I can really remember as in anyway memorable. RTÉ should be pushed though to cover more up north to act as a truly national broadcaster.  UTV look south for much of their advertising revenues so that’s where pressure could possibility be applied – they won’t like bad press in relation to discrimination. BBC well I’m sure some of you pay a TV licence (I hope not too many!) so your entitled to feel aggrieved about this disparity in coverage, you boys need to infiltrate these institutions and influence them from within. I’d suggest pulling together the facts and highlighting the disparity in black and white, indisputable figures!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on October 16, 2007, 12:24:27 PM
You're right people feel aggrieved

BAN THE CAMERAS!*

*unless they wise up!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gnevin on October 16, 2007, 12:28:32 PM
In fairness the hurling this year was by in large far more entertaining than the football (which bar a couple of games – despite there being more of them – was flat) Kerry V Monaghan and the Dublin games are the only ones I can really remember as in anyway memorable. RTÉ should be pushed though to cover more up north to act as a truly national broadcaster.  UTV look south for much of their advertising revenues so that’s where pressure could possibility be applied – they won’t like bad press in relation to discrimination. BBC well I’m sure some of you pay a TV licence (I hope not too many!) so your entitled to feel aggrieved about this disparity in coverage, you boys need to infiltrate these institutions and influence them from within. I’d suggest pulling together the facts and highlighting the disparity in black and white, indisputable figures!
Isn't their a something in RTE Charter that say they can't broadcast to the UK, Plus you'd have the rights issues in the UK,sentanta own the oversea rights. What ever happened RTE Oversea that was meant to becoming to Sky?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 16, 2007, 07:04:31 PM
I genuinely believe Logie hasn't a word to say about programme content. But I could be wrong bit I'd be surprised cos he's a real GAA man. Ok he makes a living out of it but so do a lot of others.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 16, 2007, 07:43:46 PM
Ive noticed gaa coverage on utv 2 nights in a row now. That must be close to a record for this time of year. Maybe someone has been reading the board. In relation to bbc's radio (and tv as well) coverage, the difference in coverage between the gaa and the irish league is nothing short of a disgrace. As Ive said before the gaa should compare the negative v positive coverage for both sports and release a public statement to shame the bbc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on October 16, 2007, 08:04:57 PM
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Isn't their a something in RTE Charter that say they can't broadcast to the UK, Plus you'd have the rights issues in the UK,sentanta own the oversea rights. What ever happened RTE Oversea that was meant to becoming to Sky?

Gnevin take your partitionist crap elsewhere, it has no place on a GAA discussion board.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 16, 2007, 10:35:47 PM
I genuinely believe Logie hasn't a word to say about programme content. But I could be wrong bit I'd be surprised cos he's a real GAA man. Ok he makes a living out of it but so do a lot of others.

I've met Logie on several occasions and I can honestly say he is a true gaa fan. I won't have any of this shit said about him here. Although he is the sports editor on UTV Live, I don't believe he has the final say as to the content of the news.

Also, he was in Greencastle last weekend with his under Dungannon team. He is the U16s (I think) manager and is apparently very passionate on the sidelines.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: DMarsden on October 17, 2007, 10:12:10 AM

i have had a fair amount of dealings with logie and while he says all the right things, he is only interested in his own profile and his own career.

Televised Sports coverage in the north is still operating under the same criteria that the housing executive applied in the 50s. I'm surely Logie is acutely aware of the not so subtle black balling process which the closed shop that is the utv & bbc NI hierarchy. just ask JQ, who is a genuine GAA man.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on October 17, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
Let's stop taling about it and instead do something about it !

I've sent them an e-mail to complain, whether it gets a reply I don't know.

Still awaiting a reply on my e-mail sent on 7th October, despite getting an automated reply stating that they would strive to reply within 3 working days.

Same as the taxman, if they owe you money or you need information out of them they take an age, but if you owe them money, they'll be on you like a flash.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 17, 2007, 10:29:05 AM
Ok I think the consensus is that the GAA gets a raw deal - but what can be done to address the problem? Satatistics on the ratio of coverage would be a start. But sure with the attitude towards the Irish lanaguage we see from the DUP I think there is an up hill battle, better change of getting fair deal when direct rule was in place I think...

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on October 17, 2007, 02:12:50 PM
I doubt whether any of you saw this because it was in the Belfast Newsletter.... it was an opinion piece by someone called richard Bullick (sounds like a spelling mistake there) about the great NI beating the mighty licktenstein in August. the article was titled something about changed times at windsor and went on about how great the whole thing was for wee NI..... these are the last four paragraphs....


Admittedly we’d only beaten Liechtenstein and their late goal had taken a little gloss off it – you just hope that, like that late Italian try in Rome last March it doesn’t come back to haunt our boys – but there was a sense of ‘job done, now for the next one’, an indication of how our expectations have grown throughout this campaign

The only slightly sour note for fans was listening to Jerome ‘the North’ Quinn sounding like a nationalist newspaper on Radio Ulster the next morning as at least twice he avoided the term Northern Ireland and appeared to be trying to give the Republic’s result joint top billing in the sportsdesk.

As we’ve said, everyone is entitled to their particular perspective and a range of terminology is used in this society but it just didn’t sound right in this case.

By contrast that other great Tyrone GAA man in the local broadcast media, Adrian Logan, can come across as enthusiastic and engaging about Norn Iron and the UTV legend got a great cheer from fans in the South Stand as he left his seat just before the end on Wednesday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on October 17, 2007, 02:21:19 PM
bloody mary, f**king hell, you are taking one small incident from August and comparing it to the disgraful coverage GAA gets in the North throughout the year. Catch a grip of yourself
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on October 17, 2007, 03:05:49 PM
actually full back it was relevant to the quinn-logie comments and how they are perceived and treated in the unionist media, you big clampit. actually, full backs are always big these days so i take that bit back. seriously, they are making out that logie is loved and quinn is not because he said 'the north' instead of 'northern ireland'. what the hell?!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: clawaddy on October 17, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
we seem to be concentrating on UTV and Adrian Logan here. This is a mistake.  UTV is a commercial station who do not have to broadcast any GAA if they dont want to and thats fair enough. We dont have to watch that channel. It obviously makes business sense to them to satisfy the Unionst viewers needs.  BBC are different - we pay a licence fee and have a right to a fair share of radio and tv time.At present what we are getting from them is disgraceful. It seems obvious to me that if 2000 watch a soccer game and 10000 watch a GAA game then more people are interested in this game and therfore it should receive proportionally more coverage!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 18, 2007, 11:07:41 AM
UTV is commercial but it has a publicly awarded licence with obligations attached I’m sure.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: oneillcup2007 on October 18, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
Does anybody know if there is some form of equality legislation governing the media?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 18, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
Does anybody know if there is some form of equality legislation governing the media?

Just the BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 18, 2007, 12:12:36 PM
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/itc/itc_publications/itc_notes/view_note57.html
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on October 18, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
UTV is commercial, a significant part of its market is in the 26 counties. Many unionist viewers have no problem with, and would even welcome, coverage of GAA games in a balanced manner. So there is no way that a majority of UTV viewers favour the present situation. Pressure should also come by way of advertisers like the Bank of Ireland who might note that there is little mention of GAA games they sponsor.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 18, 2007, 05:30:41 PM
Check this out just to see how little coverage GAA got in the BBC's "great" sports show Seaon Ticket! A f><king disgrace!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/season_ticket/6479719.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 18, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
As I said before season ticket was the ultimate joke. They didnt show gaelic for weeks and then showed up somewhere in munster for a railway cup semi final to highlight that noone was attending the games. Considering the crowds attending games in ulster that was a joke. Anything to try and portray the games in a negative light.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 18, 2007, 08:21:08 PM
Check this out just to see how little coverage GAA got in the BBC's "great" sports show Seaon Ticket! A f><king disgrace!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/season_ticket/6479719.stm

Programme 18 is good ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 18, 2007, 08:42:20 PM
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/itc/itc_publications/itc_notes/view_note57.html


Sláinte scalder.

Who would the Enniscorthy folk like to see winning the Senior Hurling this weekend? Oulart are justifiably strong favourites, but I wouldn't write Buffer's Alley off completely, especially if they're within an ass's roar in the last quarter.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 19, 2007, 10:21:30 AM
Can’t see past Oulart they’re a class team, not overly impressive in the semi but if they come near to their potential they’ll blow the Alley away. The alley could trouble them but I’m afraid I can only see an Oulart win. I suppose people would in ways like to see  the Alley win, as they are the underdogs and haven’t won in 15 years but in ways it would be good to see Oulart win and go on to have a good rattle at a Leinster title as they are no doubt capable of. Interest levels aren’t huge in the neutral population though!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 29, 2007, 06:29:31 PM
Im starting to think that someone connected with UTV has been reading this thread. GAA was the main headline again tonight with coverage from the Dunloy game and Railway Cup final. However, whoever was put in charge of the coverage let themselves down. They had coverage of the Derry County Final replay (which they also showed last week) which they thought took place yesterday. Someone must have got a bit confused.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2007, 07:00:17 PM
Im starting to think that someone connected with UTV has been reading this thread. GAA was the main headline again tonight with coverage from the Dunloy game and Railway Cup final. However, whoever was put in charge of the coverage let themselves down. They had coverage of the Derry County Final replay (which they also showed last week) which they thought took place yesterday. Someone must have got a bit confused.

I found this absolutely unbelieveable. Sure the sport's editor has a hand in the running order and content of the sports section. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on November 04, 2007, 07:49:42 PM
I'd say they'll have a field day with this, expect detailed GAA coverage on the BBC tomorrow.

From BBC website, accompanied by a good photo of the brawl ofcourse

Brawl mars victory
Clontibret 1-7 1-8 Crossmaglen
 
Crossmaglen edged a stormy AIB Ulster Club SFC encounter at Clones.
Oisin McConville missed a penalty and Cross then had John Donaldson sent off but JP Mone's own goal helped Cross lead 1-3 to 0-4 at the interval.
Cross moved ahead by four but Vinny Corey's goal gave Clontibret hope and they had a last-ditch '45 to level.
However, they took it short and ref Martin Sludden immediately blow up and following an ugly brawl, Crossmaglen's Cathal Shortt was red carded.
Clontibret clearly were not aware that the '45 was the last kick of the game and while Dessie Mone was clearly fouled after receiving the ball, referee Sludden had already blown the final whistle.
With fists flying in the moments after the game, Sludden required a Garda escort as he made his way to the dressing-rooms.
Crossmaglen made the better start with Oisin McConville and John McEntee hitting the opening two scores.
Two Conor McManus points had Clontibret level by the ninth minute but Cross then won their first penalty.
McConville hit the woodwork with the spot-kick and the former All Star then hit the rebound wide.
With Dessie Mone, JP Mone and Vincent Corey starting to take a grip around the middle, Clontibret then went ahead with Corey notching the score.
Things looked even bleaker for Crossmaglen when Donaldson received his marching orders after he had lashed out at Dessie Mone.
Mone had committed a clumsy foul on John McEntee but Donaldson's over-reaction gave Martin Sludds no option but to produce the red card.
However as so often happens, losing a man seemed to rally the affected team.
The impressive Martin Aherne levelled in the 27th minute and Cross then won their second penalty when McConville was hauled down.
David McKenna took the penalty and while his shot was brilliantly saved by goalkeeper Paul McElroy, the ball rebounded off JP Mone and into the net.
Leading 1-3 to 0-4 at the break, points from McConville and Aherne increased Cross' lead to five early in the second half.
However, Vinny Corey's great goal after his own superb run got Clontibret back into the game.
A Conville score and Tony Kernan's '45 helped Cross move three clear again but Clontibret hit two late scores to leave the minimum between the sides.
Then came the late '45 controversy and the Ulster Council will await Sludden's take on the incidents which followed the final whistle
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 04, 2007, 07:56:35 PM
Let's not be giving them any ideas now !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 04, 2007, 08:08:49 PM
Well in fairness, it wasn't on the news section. It wasn't even the main article on the sports section.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 05, 2007, 10:23:57 PM
This will no doubt be tomorrows headlines...


  The referee needing a Garda escort


 The obligitary brawl



Didn't see the BBC News tonight but as expected UTV rowed in with this shite (no pictures)! Yes they mentioned that Cross had won but talked more about the "trouble"; the All Ireland Club Champions were playing but no UTV cameras were there ---- a f><king disgrace. There were plenty of cameras to catch the "excitement" of Saturday's Irish League tho'.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 05, 2007, 10:41:43 PM
Typical BBC - I think the garda jumped into the bit of a scuffle and escorted the ref off the pitch - but he didn't need an escort !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 06, 2007, 12:27:20 AM
The Dromore v Mayobridge game didn't even get a mention.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doire abú on November 06, 2007, 12:56:25 AM
Funny how the BBC online report of the Cross match has a photo of the so-called brawl, yet the reports for Glenullin and Dromore matchs only have archived pictures. Must be a co-incidence.

Okay, I'll admit they also have a photo for the St. Gall's match, but that the friggin one they were commentating on (I'm told).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bensars on November 06, 2007, 09:52:52 AM
Well done Paddy Heaney on highlighting the inadequacies in coverage.

We all know you you take a wee look on here from time to time.  Hopefully everyone will lift the phone and register their displeasure.

Hopefully too more journalists will run with this and highlight the disparity even more.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 07, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
If you wanted clear evidence of the partisan policies in UTV and BBCNI you only have to look at the annual poppy fest that you see at this time of year. If these stations were representative of winder 6 county society then you might have some wearing poppies and some not, there are vast areas of NI where you would not meet anyone wearing a poppy. Poppy wearing raises issues of why this symbol is worn when other political symbols are not, however there is a clear effort to make everyone wear poppies, which suggests that either the staff are not representative of NI society or that if they are that one political viewpoint is being imposed on them.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on November 07, 2007, 08:13:48 PM
Nadine Coyle was even wearing one the other night on Jonathan Ross, though that show goes out in England where I think it's almost compulsory. Doubt it was her idea, and she constantly tried to hide it with her hair.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on November 07, 2007, 09:12:22 PM
Nadine Coyle was even wearing one the other night on Jonathan Ross, though that show goes out in England where I think it's almost compulsory. Doubt it was her idea, and she constantly tried to hide it with her hair.
Surely this Board has sunk to the depths when this bimbo's name makes it onto it!     :(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Balboa on November 07, 2007, 09:16:49 PM
Aye sure when i was watching the NFL the other night on Sky Sports they have an American fella as an analyst and i noticed he wasnt wearing a poppy, i thought fair enough he is yank why the f**k would he wear one, tuned in about an hour later and he had one on. So obviously there were a few phonecalls.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2007, 09:44:30 PM
Aye sure when i was watching the NFL the other night on Sky Sports they have an American fella as an analyst and i noticed he wasnt wearing a poppy, i thought fair enough he is yank why the f**k would he wear one, tuned in about an hour later and he had one on. So obviously there were a few phonecalls.
Ironic that they are remembering people who died fighting against Nazism.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 07, 2007, 09:50:08 PM
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Ironic that they are remembering people who died fighting against Nazism.

They are, but also people that died fighting against democracy.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2007, 03:14:55 PM
Last year I accidentally disrupted the 2 minutes silence they had in college for rememberence day, I was hungover and not really paying attention to what was going on.

Does the poppy commemorate just world war soldiers or the lot of them, ie the Tans etc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 08, 2007, 04:00:38 PM
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or the lot of them, ie the Tans etc.

The wearing of a paper poppy in your lapel commemorates the lot of them, Tans included.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 11, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
I listened ot the 6 o'clock news on BBC Radio Ulster and guess what ????? The BBC had a reporter at the Dromore / Bridge match today - he gave a short report at the end !!!!!

What is the world coming to for God's sake ??????? What next ?? Pictures on tomorrow evenings Newsline ?????? Never !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Out in Front on November 11, 2007, 11:27:04 PM
I'd say they'll have pictures - there was a cameraman there too as far as I could see.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: turkey+ham on November 12, 2007, 08:29:45 AM
Also noticed that it received headline billing on teletext. The times they are achangin
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on November 12, 2007, 07:07:20 PM
In fairness their online coverage is good compared to RTE and especially Aertel. Last night under the club results they still had match reports from games the previous Sunday. Pathetic effort.
We're bound to see an increased effort from UTV/BBC now. Worth it just to see the block at the end of the Dromore game there now on Benny Coulter, brilliant.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 12, 2007, 07:09:48 PM
The BBC showed a good bit of the game tonight, plus interviews with Noel McGinn and Fabian O'Neill. Unheralded stuff. Could this be a new beginning to GAA coverage on the BBC? The short term looks good, but I'll reserve judgement for the long term.

Even UTV's coverage picked up a bit tonight. Prehaps they heard about the campaign against the BBC and were worried they were next on the list ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on November 13, 2007, 01:10:03 PM
Lads I was on here ages ago saying instead of complaining you needed to do some campaigining and am delighted its working, but vigilance is required as I'm sure once the wave of indignation dies down they will revert to their old ways! Don't let them lads.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 13, 2007, 10:47:27 PM
What about having a protest outside the BBC ? Anybody up for it ? Are have all not paid the licence fee ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glenullinabu on November 13, 2007, 10:54:07 PM
would love to protest but might get caught out!!
urban legend - rumours of protest years ago in the glen about interference for tv signals when windmills went up miles away
there were supposed to be more than 10 times the people there at a protest meeting than had licences in the whole of the glen ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Surreal Steve on November 14, 2007, 12:37:56 AM
I am a winter of discontent. Sheer necessity alone brings me here. I hastily shove my invisible trolley down the aisle. A few more items, I think to myself. I don't like shopping. Never have. I don't like animals either, but that's hardly relevant. I survey the last few shelves. Almost there... shit! My boss is coming towards me. I don't like my boss, he's five coconuts short of a disco. In the nick of time, I conceal myself in a bag of old shoes. Once satisfied he is out of sight, I race to the checkout and pay for my goods. As I drive home, traumatised and covered in yoghurt, I vow never to go shopping again.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 14, 2007, 08:28:44 AM
I know its not a public channel but utv's coverage is even more biggoted than the bbc. Even last night when I read a story on their teletext it was talking about former Antrim "winger" Kevin Madden. This happens all the time, surely Logan would check the odd story and put whoever is writing this crap right.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 14, 2007, 04:07:07 PM
Who writes these stories ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on November 14, 2007, 07:46:44 PM
I know its not a public channel but utv's coverage is even more biggoted than the bbc. Even last night when I read a story on their teletext it was talking about former Antrim "winger" Kevin Madden. This happens all the time, surely Logan would check the odd story and put whoever is writing this crap right.
Francie Bellew the Armagh "Sweeper" facing up against Kieran Donagh the Kerry "Striker"
Would you be surprised??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 14, 2007, 08:27:41 PM
Ive also seen utv use striker on numerous occasions. Have yet to see how they decide which forwards are strikers and which are wingers. Stephen O'Neill is normally put down as a winger when he plays full foward but surely he should be a striker and the likes of Dooher a winger. Maybe someone can explain it to me. When you also factor in that they usually get the names wrong Ive a suspicion that someone in utv is on a deliberate wind up. To be fair to bbc their stories are usually factually correct. The ignorance in utv was once again highlighted the other week when the Derry county final was on for a second Monday in a row on a weekend roundup (should be glad theyre finally showing something).  Someone is either totally ignorant to the gaa or as I guessed earlier is deliberatley on the wind up. I blame Loggie.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: The Watcher Pat on November 15, 2007, 10:19:46 PM
It's a absolute disgrace both the BBC and UTV......May be if we told them that it was our "traditional route" to Croke park each year we would get more coverage...lol
Don't even get me started on Sky Sport's ...Imagine paying the IFA money to show Cliftonville V Linfield live...What a waste of subscribers money.....

The watcher Pat....always watching
(well not on BBC or UTV anymore)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: raisins on November 16, 2007, 08:41:44 AM
So you'll not be happy that BBC are giving the public what they want and showing Spain v NI live next wednesday?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 16, 2007, 09:51:00 AM
BBC are shoinng the next to internationals "live" - yippeeeeeeeee - I can't wait to hear Jackie Fullerton !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: clawaddy on November 16, 2007, 12:33:34 PM
listening to my local station Radio Ulster on my way to work this morning.  They had live reports from Bourgoin on Rugby and from Spain on soccer giving the latest news on the upcoming matches.  Obviously this costs a lot in a time of cutbacks. I was wondering if any reporters will be flying into Omagh or Clones for the matches which are of interest to a great many people this Sunday
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 26, 2007, 07:33:39 PM
The headline GAA news tonight on UTV was that the BBC and UTV ignore the GAA and only pay it lip service. They had an interview with Nicky Brennan and Padric Duffy.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Out in Front on November 26, 2007, 09:10:28 PM
Brennan had a pop at both the BBC and UTV for their attitude towards Gaelic games during his speech at the GAA writers dinner last Saturday. It got a good round of applause from the crowd. Logie was MC and didn't look too pleased - when he got back to the mike he said something about it working both ways?!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on November 26, 2007, 09:20:09 PM
Fair play to Nicky, I don't think that Logie can put up much of a defence to the charges!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 26, 2007, 09:21:55 PM
Fair play to Nicky, I don't think that Logie can put up much of a defence to the charges!

He looks pissed-off after the report, back in the studio.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on November 27, 2007, 05:39:11 PM
Nickey hits out - from hoganstand

Brennan lashes TV coverage
27 November 2007

GAA President Nickey Brennan has hit out at TV stations UTV and the BBC, claming the two channels are not doing enough to promote hurling and gaelic football.

Although the GAA are still negotiating a deal with RTE, the Kilkenny native criticised it’s nothern counterparts for their distinct lack of GAA coverage. A separate deal was set out for the coverage of the Ulster championship and Brennan is annoyed "there is not a scramble for those rights"

"We’d be very disappointed at the level of coverage. We want them to show gaelic games, they are the most popular sports in the six counties and both people are doing a disservice to the people they serve.

" We would love to see more interest on BBC and UTV in our games, I say that sincerely.

"We would love to see All-Ireland finals on BBC1, BBC2 or UTV to promote our games," said Brennan at the recent Tennant’s/Ulster GAA Writers banquet in Bundoran
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bogball XV on November 29, 2007, 11:05:51 PM
Brennan had a pop at both the BBC and UTV for their attitude towards Gaelic games during his speech at the GAA writers dinner last Saturday. It got a good round of applause from the crowd. Logie was MC and didn't look too pleased - when he got back to the mike he said something about it working both ways?!
And he was right, it does/should work both ways, the GAA do fcuk all to promote tv coverage in the north.  Look at how they sell the GAA rights, ulster championship games only for the bbc/utv, qualifers and quarter final onwards go to RTE, or deferred and highlights to RTE/Setanta.  Neither of which are available throughout the north, thus the gaa snub their own members in the pursuit of money.
End to end, which I enjoyed, was cut because UTV said, fcuk it, they won't even allow us to show snippets of games (in fairness I was happy enough listening to the lads talk shite, a bit like being on here, except the posters were unmasked!), we're just going to drop it.
I think the GAA have got to stop this pursuit of money at all costs, for one thing, it gives Dessie ammo, for a second, it's detrimental to games promotion.  The GAA should produce their own highlights package for club games and sell it on to networks if that's what it takes to get games on tv.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 29, 2007, 11:10:26 PM
I wonder how Logie was going to defend UTV or BBC for not providing coverage of GAA ? Is that all he could come up with ? It works both ways ? That's some shite !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 30, 2007, 12:12:07 AM
Spot on Bogball, all TV stations should be given every encouragement to have magazine programmes, show clips on the news etc and any rights agreements should facilitate this.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bogball XV on December 02, 2007, 07:42:29 PM
Spot on Bogball, all TV stations should be given every encouragement to have magazine programmes, show clips on the news etc and any rights agreements should facilitate this.
Paidi O'Se was advocating the GAA start up their own channel instead of selling off the rights to games - one of his more sensible ramblings I reckon.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on December 02, 2007, 08:09:28 PM
Could the GAA sustain a tv channel of its own along the lines of MUTV etc - personally I'd be against it but would it be feasible ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on December 02, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
Brennan had a pop at both the BBC and UTV for their attitude towards Gaelic games during his speech at the GAA writers dinner last Saturday. It got a good round of applause from the crowd. Logie was MC and didn't look too pleased - when he got back to the mike he said something about it working both ways?!
And he was right, it does/should work both ways, the GAA do fcuk all to promote tv coverage in the north.  Look at how they sell the GAA rights, ulster championship games only for the bbc/utv, qualifers and quarter final onwards go to RTE, or deferred and highlights to RTE/Setanta.  Neither of which are available throughout the north, thus the gaa snub their own members in the pursuit of money.
End to end, which I enjoyed, was cut because UTV said, fcuk it, they won't even allow us to show snippets of games (in fairness I was happy enough listening to the lads talk shite, a bit like being on here, except the posters were unmasked!), we're just going to drop it.
I think the GAA have got to stop this pursuit of money at all costs, for one thing, it gives Dessie ammo, for a second, it's detrimental to games promotion.  The GAA should produce their own highlights package for club games and sell it on to networks if that's what it takes to get games on tv.

Bogball,

where there's a will there's a way.
BBC just don't have the will, inclination, or imagination to give any quality coverage of gaelic games.

What has ever stopped them from co-producing all-island coverage with RTE?
If they were prepared to pay some share of rights, I'm sure RTE would have considered letting them simultaneously broadcast live coverage / highlights / a Breaking Ball type programme.

Live coverage of a Munster final on BBC NI would always do more to promote gaelic games to the unconverted than the likes of Antrim v Cavan anyway.

I bet my arse that BBC NI never even bothered picking up the phone to Montrose to raise the idea.

Imo, auctioning off the Ulster rights separately was always a load of shite. They should always have been showing the biggest matches of the day to the NI audience, not the local ones.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2007, 08:50:23 PM
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Imo, auctioning off the Ulster rights separately was always a load of shite. They should always have been showing the biggest matches of the day to the NI audience, not the local ones.
Sorry to tell you Snatter, but this is just silly talk. Whether it suits your needs or not, BBC NI is a regional station, local to 6 counties only. Whatever happens beyond those 6 counties should be of little or no consequence to the decision makers of Ormeau Avenue.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on December 02, 2007, 09:07:54 PM
So the BBC should never show a rugby game not involving Ireland?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2007, 09:17:48 PM
BBC NI shouldn't show a rugby games not involving a six county representation. Same as BBC London shouldn't show a rugby game not involving some sort of greater London representation. BBC Network can do what they like, as long s it has an interest to the license payers.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: darbyo on December 02, 2007, 09:27:59 PM
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Whether it suits your needs or not, BBC NI is a regional station, local to 6 counties only. Whatever happens beyond those 6 counties should be of little or no consequence to the decision makers of Ormeau Avenue.

Wobbler do you mean that they can't show sporting occasions not involving 6 county athletes or that they can but shouldn't?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2007, 09:34:55 PM
I mean that they shouldn't, unless the event is of genuine interest to a firm percentage of the Northern Ireland population. The All-Ireland Football Final is actually a perfect example of an event that should be shown, regardless of who is playing, as it is the culmination of a brilliant sporting event with huge interest in Northern Ireland. The Munster Football Final, a competition that six county athletes cannot keep in, is a perfect example of something that shouldn't be shown. Use that as your rule of thumb.

I'm sure there are examples of when thsi rule of thumb is ignored, but not very often.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: darbyo on December 02, 2007, 09:47:57 PM
Would it not be fair to say that more people in the 6 counties might have greater interest in, for example, Dublin V Meath as opposed to Cavan V Antrim and as a consequence BBC NI should be able to show the former game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bogball XV on December 02, 2007, 09:54:34 PM
Brennan had a pop at both the BBC and UTV for their attitude towards Gaelic games during his speech at the GAA writers dinner last Saturday. It got a good round of applause from the crowd. Logie was MC and didn't look too pleased - when he got back to the mike he said something about it working both ways?!
And he was right, it does/should work both ways, the GAA do fcuk all to promote tv coverage in the north.  Look at how they sell the GAA rights, ulster championship games only for the bbc/utv, qualifers and quarter final onwards go to RTE, or deferred and highlights to RTE/Setanta.  Neither of which are available throughout the north, thus the gaa snub their own members in the pursuit of money.
End to end, which I enjoyed, was cut because UTV said, fcuk it, they won't even allow us to show snippets of games (in fairness I was happy enough listening to the lads talk shite, a bit like being on here, except the posters were unmasked!), we're just going to drop it.
I think the GAA have got to stop this pursuit of money at all costs, for one thing, it gives Dessie ammo, for a second, it's detrimental to games promotion.  The GAA should produce their own highlights package for club games and sell it on to networks if that's what it takes to get games on tv.

Bogball,

where there's a will there's a way.
BBC just don't have the will, inclination, or imagination to give any quality coverage of gaelic games.

What has ever stopped them from co-producing all-island coverage with RTE?
If they were prepared to pay some share of rights, I'm sure RTE would have considered letting them simultaneously broadcast live coverage / highlights / a Breaking Ball type programme.

Live coverage of a Munster final on BBC NI would always do more to promote gaelic games to the unconverted than the likes of Antrim v Cavan anyway.

I bet my arse that BBC NI never even bothered picking up the phone to Montrose to raise the idea.

Imo, auctioning off the Ulster rights separately was always a load of shite. They should always have been showing the biggest matches of the day to the NI audience, not the local ones.

I know what you're saying snatter, but maybe the gaa should not put any obstacles in their way, as we know they will use any opportunity to wiggle out of their responsibilities, if we give them the rights, they can't very well use the cost issue.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2007, 09:59:34 PM
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Would it not be fair to say that more people in the 6 counties might have greater interest in, for example, Dublin V Meath as opposed to Cavan V Antrim and as a consequence BBC NI should be able to show the former game.

If BBC NI was to show a televise a game from the Leinster Championship when an Ulster Championship match was taking place, they would be 100% out of order. Their budget is provided to cover local affairs and local interests, and not to take a whimsical guess that something happening outside the six counties might (and this is a big might) have a greater local interest.

This would be on a par with covering an FAI game at 3pm on a Saturday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: raisins on December 03, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
Mr Wobbler - whoever you are - you speak a lot of sense. BBC NI seeks to serve the NI public - Exactly why they wouldn't show a Leinster or Munster game over an Ulster one. And why would RTE show an Ulster game ahead of Leinster etc, etc.  I always thought the GAA were great at promoting their matches and very inventive with press releases and ideas.  This is my opinion - it's a small pie and everyone wants a piece. So you have to be a little bit more ambitious than just sitting there whinging.  Go for it!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on December 03, 2007, 09:10:31 AM
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Would it not be fair to say that more people in the 6 counties might have greater interest in, for example, Dublin V Meath as opposed to Cavan V Antrim and as a consequence BBC NI should be able to show the former game.

If BBC NI was to show a televise a game from the Leinster Championship when an Ulster Championship match was taking place, they would be 100% out of order. Their budget is provided to cover local affairs and local interests, and not to take a whimsical guess that something happening outside the six counties might (and this is a big might) have a greater local interest.

This would be on a par with covering an FAI game at 3pm on a Saturday.

But the local interest is in Gaelic Football, which includes all matches on in a given day.
Its unarguable that a big game, eg Dublin v Meath might be of more interest to the majority of NI viewers than Antrim v Cavan.

Regional broadcasters in England take the same decisions, eg on Match of the Day they don't show the matches on a region by region basis - they realise that soccer fans in NW england do want to see Arsenal, Chelsea, etc matches. After all, they are all playing in the same competition.
I can't see any difference here.

If I'm one of the many who can't get RTE in NI, I'd rather see coverage of the best games from the whole island rather than some inferior local game.  The bigger games will always be worth more as promotional tools.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2007, 09:21:17 AM
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Its unarguable that a big game, eg Dublin v Meath might be of more interest to the majority of NI viewers than Antrim v Cavan.
This is utter nonsense. Every GAA follower from Antrim has an emotional interest in the latter game. Every Ulster GAA follower from the county that meets the winner of that game in the next round has a vested interest. Dublin and Meath only creates a passing interest for Ulster GAA fans.

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Regional broadcasters in England take the same decisions, eg on Match of the Day they don't show the matches on a region by region basis - they realise that soccer fans in NW england do want to see Arsenal, Chelsea, etc matches. After all, they are all playing in the same competition.
I can't see any difference here.
The difference is that MoTD is a network programme, commissioned by BBC Network to go live across all BBC regions ( I won't even get into the fact that all events covered on MoTD take place within the license payer's jurisdiction). They don't have a regional bias (at least not in theory). The Championship, as it was called, was a BBC NI programme, commissioned by BBC NI for the solitary audience of license payers in the six counties.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on December 03, 2007, 09:36:03 AM
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Its unarguable that a big game, eg Dublin v Meath might be of more interest to the majority of NI viewers than Antrim v Cavan.
This is utter nonsense. Every GAA follower from Antrim has an emotional interest in the latter game. Every Ulster GAA follower from the county that meets the winner of that game in the next round has a vested interest. Dublin and Meath only creates a passing interest for Ulster GAA fans.

Nonsense - people would be more interested in the big match. The problem is that if they can't get RTE, they'll never ever get to see it.

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Regional broadcasters in England take the same decisions, eg on Match of the Day they don't show the matches on a region by region basis - they realise that soccer fans in NW england do want to see Arsenal, Chelsea, etc matches. After all, they are all playing in the same competition.
I can't see any difference here.
The difference is that MoTD is a network programme, commissioned by BBC Network to go live across all BBC regions ( I won't even get into the fact that all events covered on MoTD take place within the license payer's jurisdiction). They don't have a regional bias (at least not in theory). The Championship, as it was called, was a BBC NI programme, commissioned by BBC NI for the solitary audience of license payers in the six counties.

If the BBC can see fit to commission comprehensive coverage of soccer's premier competition, regardless of where the mathces are played, then why can't they do the same for gaelic games?

Imo, they're using the border as an excuse.
The AI is an island wide competition, and NI local's who can't get RTE shouldn't be deprived of all-island coverage.
Co -commssioning (or co-production) simultaneous broadcasts with RTE would be the most effective way of delivering high quality coverage of our sport.




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Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2007, 09:50:04 AM
Snatter, BBC NI has a charter to fullfil. I'm sorry that it doesn't meet your desired agenda to provide Ireland-wide GAA coverage, but that's the way it is.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on December 03, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
Snatter, BBC NI has a charter to fullfil. I'm sorry that it doesn't meet your desired agenda to provide Ireland-wide GAA coverage, but that's the way it is.

This has nothing to do with BBC NI's charter - its about BBC NI's unwillingness to give comprehensive coverage of gaelic games.

The facts are pretty plain - gaelic fooball is the most attended sport in NI by a country mile.
Nothing else comes remotely close.

Yet, if you dropped down from Mars and had a look at BBC Ni's sports output, you'd swear that we were the 20 th most popular sport.

Surely the whole rationale of regional broadcasting is that it should reflects the diversity within the regions of the UK.
Well, when it comes to sport, you couldn't get more different than here in NI.
And, how do BBC NI Sports reflect this massive regional divergence?
How do they champion their role as regional broadcaster?
By giving shag all covergae of the most attended sport here.

If they took their role of regional broadcaster even half seriously, they would be getting extra resources to cover this seismic difference.
They'd be saying to BBC HQ - look, we've got this unique sport that draws massive crowds, but we give it rubbish coverage when compared to our total (ie local and national) soccer / rugby output.
They'd say that we need extra resources to redress this imbalance.
They'd also say that gaelic games are organised on an all-Ireland basis and the most effeective way to cover them is to jointly produce with an Irish broadcaster.

They should be pumping out lots of gaelic coverage to redress their output that is massively skewed in favour of national/UK sports. That should be the role of a strong regional broadcaster. Even more so in somewhere as unique as NI.

And just as there's no regional borders in MoTD, neither should there be in gaelic games coverage.


Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2007, 10:25:51 AM
BBC NI's coverage of Ulster Gaelic Games is not good enough. I'm not arguing that.

But Snatter, until you are willing to accept that BBC NI is a regional broadcaster, and not a nationwide broadcaster, there is no point in continuing this debate. They have absolutely no business, legal, cultural, logistical, traditional, or otherwise, in covering sport from outside the six counties. If you are going to condemn them for things, please try to condemn them for things they can control.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on December 03, 2007, 10:57:02 AM
BBC NI's coverage of Ulster Gaelic Games is not good enough. I'm not arguing that.

But Snatter, until you are willing to accept that BBC NI is a regional broadcaster, and not a nationwide broadcaster, there is no point in continuing this debate. They have absolutely no business, legal, cultural, logistical, traditional, or otherwise, in covering sport from outside the six counties. If you are going to condemn them for things, please try to condemn them for things they can control.

Under your logic, the BBC should then have no business covering the Euro football championships as no UK teams will be playing.

The reality is that they will cover it because there will be enough soccer fans interested in watching high class games.

The exact parallel should apply here to gaelic games, especially as we're all playing  in the same competition (the AI series).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on December 03, 2007, 11:29:39 AM
Snatter has a point, now if BBC NI was the local arm of an Irish national station, which offered truly nationwide coverage then it would be silly to cover games involving teams from outside their catchments. However they are not, as RTÉ is not available throughout the 6 counties, so Gaelic Games supporters rely on the BBC for coverage.  Our local radio station in Wexford covers live only games involving Wexford teams, fair enough, but they have reports on for example yesterdays Leinster and Munster club hurling finals on their sports bulletins. Yes they are regional but they realise their listeners are interested in what happens beyond the county and report on this. By the BBC only covering Ulster games, these are the only games some people will see, surely its in the interests of the GAA to expose people to the very best our games have to offer? Hurling for example, surely it would be beneficial to have the Munster final broadcast by BBC NI? I will accept though it would be nice to see them first off giving Gaelic Games the coverage their levels of support deserve but then again the BBC is a political tool…
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on December 05, 2007, 11:09:04 PM
Got decent coverage to be fair.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on December 06, 2007, 10:15:22 AM
Leopards don't change their spots !  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on December 10, 2007, 01:54:03 PM
From Gerry Donnelly's report for the Derry convention:

The coverage of the Derry Championship by both the BBC and UTV is appalling.  At best, it could be described as scanty.  Both TV stations showed quick clips of the county finals.  I estimate that the entire action amounted to less than thirty seconds.  Blink and you would have missed it.

For some reason, they both seem perfectly content to show lingering coverage of other games, apparently oblivious to the empty stands so pitifully displayed in the background.  They provide minimal services for the thousands who attend Gaelic Games.

The BBC has the nerve to advertise itself with the slogan – “It’s your BBC”.  For the supporter requiring information on Derry gaelic games, the station of choice is not the BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 03, 2008, 09:19:14 PM
Once again I feel the need to criticise UTV's gaa reporter. On utv teletext there are currently 2 gaa stories on page 472 and 473. One talks about the veteran Armagh "winger" Aiden O'Rourke and the other about Antrim "winger" CJ McGourty. Yesterday the headline on a story referred to a minor player and once again he was called a winger. Nearly every player mentioned these days is called a winger no matter what position they play. There's no way you'd seen this kind of blatant ignorance when reporting on another sport. The fact that every player is called a winger again suggests to me the writer is deliberatly on the wind up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 09:22:16 PM
I told you a long time ago - BIGOTS !!!    ;) ;) ;) ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on January 03, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
Still bigots !  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 03, 2008, 11:18:15 PM
Im sure the local sports coverage is still provided through utv sports reporters. There's certainly no way its being done by a gaa journalist!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 04, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
Im sure the local sports coverage is still provided through utv sports reporters. There's certainly no way its being done by a gaa journalist!
Most of UTV's very limited GAA coverage seems to be copied over from the IN.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on January 04, 2008, 01:55:38 PM
Tyrone Dreamer is right though, the UTV teletext is definitely doing it on purpose.  When Crossmaglen Rangers are playing they are referred to as 'Glen.  That is going out of your way to take the piss!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 04, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
Have to say Ceefax p.394 on BBC is very good. Donegal v UUJ report was up very quick last night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 12:07:41 PM
TW*TS - B*GOTS !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 10, 2008, 08:07:31 PM
I see the latest "winger" per utv is Antims Michael McCann. Doesnt seem to matter what position you play, your a winger. Although I think they might change it to striker from time to time.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on January 10, 2008, 08:20:54 PM
Enda McGinley takes his goal like soccer.....
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2008, 12:28:33 PM
i think the GAA should try and get a Gaelic games highlights show on Ch4 or 5 or one of the regular British channels to help promote the game. When Channel 4 showed American football in the 80's it helped the game no end. in fact it practically established the game in the Uk and in Ireland.

I know it was done before and i havent seen them, were they any good at all? I think it would be worthwhile may be if the All-Ireland finals were shown on BBC all across Britain, it would be major promotion. It shouldnt be too hard to do,
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: whiskeysteve on January 11, 2008, 01:53:49 PM
not too hard to do??? how would you go about sorting that out!?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on January 11, 2008, 02:11:04 PM
i think the GAA should try and get a Gaelic games highlights show on Ch4 or 5 or one of the regular British channels to help promote the game. When Channel 4 showed American football in the 80's it helped the game no end. in fact it practically established the game in the Uk and in Ireland.

I know it was done before and i havent seen them, were they any good at all? I think it would be worthwhile may be if the All-Ireland finals were shown on BBC all across Britain, it would be major promotion. It shouldnt be too hard to do,

I've long advocated that the BBC (or whoever) should jointly commission (or co-produce) some type of breaking ball program, to be simulcast.

This would fill a glaring inequality in the BBC's NI sport output which hopelessly fails to reflect the popularity of galiec games.

Additionally, it would be cheaper to produce something of higher quality if BBC and eg RTE were sharing the bills.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Frank Casey on January 11, 2008, 10:14:20 PM
i think the GAA should try and get a Gaelic games highlights show on Ch4 or 5 or one of the regular British channels to help promote the game. When Channel 4 showed American football in the 80's it helped the game no end. in fact it practically established the game in the Uk and in Ireland.

I know it was done before and i havent seen them, were they any good at all? I think it would be worthwhile may be if the All-Ireland finals were shown on BBC all across Britain, it would be major promotion. It shouldnt be too hard to do,

I've long advocated that the BBC (or whoever) should jointly commission (or co-produce) some type of breaking ball program, to be simulcast.

This would fill a glaring inequality in the BBC's NI sport output which hopelessly fails to reflect the popularity of galiec games.

Additionally, it would be cheaper to produce something of higher quality if BBC and eg RTE were sharing the bills.

No bad idea. RTE and various english chanels have often co-operated in drama production over the years to mutual advantage. Twouldn't take much to do something worthwhile with the breaking ball model already in existence.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
may be if the All-Ireland finals were shown on BBC all across Britain, it would be major promotion. It shouldnt be too hard to do,

Havent Setanta got exclusive overseas rights ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 13, 2008, 12:22:35 AM
Its nice of utv to let everyone know that Mickey Harte has reacted by making seven changes after the "midweek defeat to Down" but at least "centre forward" Brian McGuigan is back.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2008, 12:31:23 AM
I know it was done before and i havent seen them, were they any good at all? I think it would be worthwhile may be if the All-Ireland finals were shown on BBC all across Britain, it would be major promotion. It shouldnt be too hard to do,

You reckon it's be easy to get the BBC to show live coverage of the All-Ireland finals all over the UK? ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 13, 2008, 11:27:48 AM
I see Kilrea's "left winger" Lee Kennedy has been awarded for his performances in the ulster minor club championship.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on January 14, 2008, 02:56:23 PM
There's still no GAa coverage on BBc on Sundays. Was out at the McKenna cup yesterday and not a word before, during or after. Like it doesn't exist. Now on Saturday, well they had sport all afternoon and on TV from every silly little game they could find. So much for the PaddyHeaney campaign..
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 20, 2008, 11:27:20 PM
There's still no GAA coverage on BBC on Sundays.

Live rugby coverage today (Sunday) on the radio of Ulster with Jim Nealey. Sorry Paddy Heaney. It's now "Rugby on a Friday, Soccer on a Saturday and Dam All Rugby on a Sunday.  :o
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: phpearse on January 21, 2008, 01:09:45 PM
...we can now add RTE to the list of broadcasters that are ignoring the GAA. Has anyone noticed that RTE have an ad that details upcoming sporting events during the year. I see that 2008 will be a year to look forward to soccer, rugby, the Olympics and horse racing but no GAA. One of the biggest sporting that RTE will get will be the All Irelands but it still fails to get a mention in their promo for 2008.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on January 23, 2008, 09:28:24 AM
Congrats to UTV on their uncharacteristicly prompt and comprehensive coverage of Down v Cavan on the local news last night.

A minor gripe with the BBC digital teletext tho'.
On Sunday night, we still had no report whatsoever on Down v UUJ, played a full 24 hours earlier.
All the NI soccer matches on the same day had full reports.

I was forced to log on to the web, where the BBC site did have a report.
I've noticed this before - BBC teletext doesn't cover GAA in as much detail as their website.
It has a massive bias towards NI soccer.

Surely if its newsworthy on the web, it should be covered on the teletext as well.
Is there a different editor for teletext, averse to, or unknowledgable of, gaelic games ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: zoyler on January 23, 2008, 10:00:52 AM
Noticed on the Questions & Answers type programme from BBC NI last week that Reg Emphey(?) in remarks on Mr. Poots being at the McKenna Cup appeared to have no problem sayingthat GAAwas the biggest spectator sport in NI.  Maybe he should tell the BBC & UTV this!!!  They might listen to him quicker then us
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on January 23, 2008, 10:03:24 AM
Fair dues to UTV on last night's coverage - they have taken their criticsim and appear to have acted on it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on January 23, 2008, 11:26:58 AM
Credit where credit is due.  UTV showed highlights of the match on the 10.30 news bullettin
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on January 23, 2008, 11:42:48 AM
Typical, missed the news last night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on January 23, 2008, 12:03:57 PM
Credit where credit is due.  UTV showed highlights of the match on the 10.30 news bullettin

Absoutely but we shouldn't have to faint at the merest glimpse of decent coverage.

i was watching the local sports bulletin on utv atlunchtime on sat and it went extensively through local soccer, ulster rugby, some boxer and then the old firm. not a dickey bird on the mc kenna cup. yer man then sums up by saying he'll be back tomorrow (sun) with all the highlights and reaction from the kareoke league, heinekin cup and the maor action from the premiership.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on January 23, 2008, 09:09:21 PM
Good report tonight on UTV of Cavan -v- Down's Dr. McKenna Gaelic Life game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 23, 2008, 10:42:25 PM
Credit where credit is due.  UTV showed highlights of the match on the 10.30 news bullettin

For one night only. Not a sausage of coverage from Omagh of the other semi on Weds. There was footage from nearby Dungannon with the Swifts dispatching  Limavady from the Irish Cup. Adrian Logan of all people doing the voiceover.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: KIDDO on January 24, 2008, 12:24:38 AM
What about the  small crowd in Dungannon ,was this fixture entitled to tv coverage, while the game in Omagh attracted an official attendace of 2,018  at 7 pou nds sterling , why  no tv coverage on tonights news , or will we have to wait until lunch time tomorrow for brief  headlines.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 24, 2008, 02:12:24 PM
Related in a way to this thread I suppose. but todays Newsletter has a full page interview with Bronagh O'Donnell the Armagh Ladies Captain, the journalist was Richard Bullick, it was a very well researched (as fas as my knowldge of Ladies Football goes) and he was very effusive in his respect for her.  One complaint though he compared her to famous captains and mentioned Galwey (Mick) fair enough I suppose and Bailie (Noel - the Linfield skipper!)
Just thought it was strange as I would browse the Newsletter now and again and cannot recall such prominence for a GAA related article.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Out in Front on January 25, 2008, 07:24:51 PM
Once again we can but doff our caps and admire the BBC's and UTV's ability to ignore gaelic games.
Tomorrow evening there'll probably be three thousand (plus) Down and Derry supporters (and a few neutrals too) in Casement for the McKenna Cup final. Unfortunately though the sports masters at the Balanced Broadcasting Corporation and Ulster Televictim gave it no credence at all, during their unrespective sports bulletins this evening, Yet, they'll probably have a camera's at the final and make themselves out to be 'the dog's bollix of GAA coverage come Sunday afternoon (UTV) and Monday evening (BBC) >:( >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Out in Front on January 29, 2008, 12:01:14 AM
Well, well well - this from the BBC's website - perhaps the penny has finally dropped! :o :o :o

"Sunday Sportsound returns to BBC Radio Ulster MW wave on 3 February for the start of the National Football League.
Austin O'Callaghan will present the programme every week from 1400-1700 GMT with contributors aiming to provide the most comprehensive coverage of GAA.

There will be in-depth analysis of how Ulster counties fair in the new Allianz National Football League campaign.

Backed by a strong sportsnews content, the programme will also tackle topical issues of the day.

Radio Ulster's Sunday Sportsound's contributors and presenters
Sunday Sportsound will also be streamed live on the BBC NI website every Sunday.

The centrepiece of the opening programme on 3 February is Armagh's Division Two clash with Cavan in Crossmaglen.

During the show there will be regular updates on Monaghan's home game with Roscommon in Clones, Fermanagh's Division Three encounter with Leitrim and Antrim's trip to Aughrim to take on Wicklow in Division Four.

Kieran McGeeney's trip to Omagh as Kildare manager will also be featured. Saturday games will not lose out with reflections and analysis involving reiging league champions Donegal, Derry and Down.

Among the live guests on Sunday's programme will be the GAA's new Director General Pauric Duffy, the first Ulsterman to hold the post.

You can put your questions to him by texting 81771 or through the form below.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 29, 2008, 11:10:58 AM
Well, well well - this from the BBC's website - perhaps the penny has finally dropped! :o :o :o

"Sunday Sportsound returns to BBC Radio Ulster MW wave on 3 February for the start of the National Football League.
Austin O'Callaghan will present the programme every week from 1400-1700 GMT with contributors aiming to provide the most comprehensive coverage of GAA.

There will be in-depth analysis of how Ulster counties fair in the new Allianz National Football League campaign.

Backed by a strong sportsnews content, the programme will also tackle topical issues of the day.

Radio Ulster's Sunday Sportsound's contributors and presenters
Sunday Sportsound will also be streamed live on the BBC NI website every Sunday.

The centrepiece of the opening programme on 3 February is Armagh's Division Two clash with Cavan in Crossmaglen.

During the show there will be regular updates on Monaghan's home game with Roscommon in Clones, Fermanagh's Division Three encounter with Leitrim and Antrim's trip to Aughrim to take on Wicklow in Division Four.

Kieran McGeeney's trip to Omagh as Kildare manager will also be featured. Saturday games will not lose out with reflections and analysis involving reiging league champions Donegal, Derry and Down.

Among the live guests on Sunday's programme will be the GAA's new Director General Pauric Duffy, the first Ulsterman to hold the post.

You can put your questions to him by texting 81771 or through the form below.




This has to be welcomed as a step in the right direction, by the BBC, still have a way to go.
As for rUcTV......!!  >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on January 29, 2008, 11:20:26 AM
Well, well well - this from the BBC's website - perhaps the penny has finally dropped! :o :o :o

Tis the same programme that runs every year throughout the League. Notice there's still no mention of it being available on FM.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sandy Hill on January 29, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
Quote
"Sunday Sportsound returns to BBC Radio Ulster MW wave on 3 February for the start of the National Football League.
Austin O'Callaghan will present the programme every week from 1400-1700 GMT with contributors aiming to provide the most comprehensive coverage of GAA.

There will be in-depth analysis of how Ulster counties fair in the new Allianz National Football League campaign.

Backed by a strong sportsnews content, the programme will also tackle topical issues of the day.

Radio Ulster's Sunday Sportsound's contributors and presenters
Sunday Sportsound will also be streamed live on the BBC NI website every Sunday.

The centrepiece of the opening programme on 3 February is Armagh's Division Two clash with Cavan in Crossmaglen.

During the show there will be regular updates on Monaghan's home game with Roscommon in Clones, Fermanagh's Division Three encounter with Leitrim and Antrim's trip to Aughrim to take on Wicklow in Division Four.

Kieran McGeeney's trip to Omagh as Kildare manager will also be featured. Saturday games will not lose out with reflections and analysis involving reiging league champions Donegal, Derry and Down.

Among the live guests on Sunday's programme will be the GAA's new Director General Pauric Duffy, the first Ulsterman to hold the post.

You can put your questions to him by texting 81771 or through the form below.

A Freudian slip?
Title: BBC Radio Ulster loses more than 30,000 listeners in year By Gary McDonald Busin
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 01, 2008, 02:59:23 PM
BBC Radio Ulster loses more than 30,000 listeners in year By Gary McDonald Business Editor
01/02/08

More than 30,000 BBC Radio Ulster listeners have reached for the off switch every week in the last 12 months, according to official industry figures released yesterday.

The public broadcaster is still clinging on to more than half a million devotees and has maintained its position as the most listened to radio station in Northern Ireland.

Figures from audience research body Rajar covering October to December showed that 510,000 people tune in to Radio Ulster every week, each spending nearly 11 hours on average tuned in to programmes such as The Nolan Show, Evening Extra, Talkback and Country Afternoon, hosted by Hugo Duncan, left.

That is down nearly six per cent on the figure of 542,000 for the corresponding quarter the year before.

Radio Ulster still commands an overall market share across Northern Ireland of 26.4 per cent - far eclipsing most of the BBC's regional stations across Britain.

The commercial radio sector appears to have benefited from the Beeb's lost listeners and every local station was lauding its own figures yesterday.

U105, part of the UTV media group, continues to perform solidly, and according to Rajar it had 90,000 weekly listeners in the last quarter of 2007, giving it a market share of 4.2 per cent.

Although the fledging station is some way off the targets set on its launch, that figure is up 25 per cent on the 72,000 listeners on the corresponding previous quarter.

Downtown Radio/Cool FM - which this week become part of Bauer Radio following acquisition from Emap - again proved the number one choice for listeners to commercial radio in the north.

Combined, the stations reached 485,000 listeners per week, which equates to one in every three adults tuning in and an overall market share of 20 per cent.

"I'm thrilled given the current tough commercial marketplace," the stations' managing director Mark Mahaffy said.

Belfast Citybeat - named 2007 Commercial Radio Station of the Year at the Arqiva Commercial Radio Awards in July -?commands a 9.5 per cent market share with 136,000 listeners.

Northern Media Group, part-owned by The Irish News, was pleased at its performance, with increased listeners across the Q Network, which includes Q102 in Derry, Q97 in Coleraine and Q101 in Omagh and Enniskillen.

The stations increased their combined weekly reach by 2,000 listeners from 85,000 to 87,000 and also had a 13.7 per cent share of the potential weekly audience.

Sister station Seven FM, broadcasting for two years in the Ballymena and Antrim areas, received its first official listener figures, with 18,000 people tuning in every week.

"It's a massive achievement to get to this stage so young and gives us very firm foundations on which to build," Northern Media Group chief executive Robert Walshe said.

http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/2008/2/540/5860/579047_335295427210BBCRadio.html

I WONDER WHY??

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: rrhf on February 01, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
Well maybe they will listen now.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on February 01, 2008, 03:08:47 PM
Well maybe they will listen now.

No-one's listening to them ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: snatter on February 01, 2008, 03:48:26 PM
No figures on number of Northerners who  listen to southern radio stations then?

Looks like a fatally flawed survey if they don't include those figures.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 01, 2008, 06:42:21 PM
Turned it over to network 2 there and 2 guys were discussing the weekend sport. Talked for a few minutes about the 6 nations starting and then a few minutes on the superbowl. The "expert" was asked if he thought american football would catch on with the irish, he said he couldnt see it and that we'd probably stick to the rugby. Didnt seem to be any mention of the start of the national league - guess the unionists arent the only 1's to ignore the gaa. UTV did have a feature on the league starting though Loggie seemed more intent on talking about Darren Graham being included in the Fermanagh hurling panel and sectartian abuse etc.
Title: Wendy in Omagh...
Post by: 5 Sams on February 12, 2008, 09:43:43 AM
...I see the BBC broadcast Good Morning "Ulster" from Healy Park this morning....is this a one off I wonder or are they really going to make an effort in 2008 to give us the coverage we deserve?

I thought it was funny however when some cheeky hoor of a Linfield fan phoned in to say that the GAA have come a long way and how good it was to see them naming a ground after David Healy :D


Listen here..........http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/ulster.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/ulster.shtml)
Title: Re: Wendy in Omagh...
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 12, 2008, 09:54:22 AM
...I see the BBC broadcast Good Morning "Ulster" from Healy Park this morning....is this a one off I wonder or are they really going to make an effort in 2008 to give us the coverage we deserve?

I thought it was funny however when some cheeky hoor of a Linfield fan phoned in to say that the GAA have come a long way and how good it was to see them naming a ground after David Healy :D


Listen here..........http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/ulster.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/ulster.shtml)


Was a decent enough show this morning, Wendy ended the show raving about how fantastic the facilities were in Healy Park, "its like looking out over a premiership pitch" - compliment indeed.
Title: Re: Wendy in Omagh...
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on February 12, 2008, 10:11:59 AM
Was a decent enough show this morning, Wendy ended the show raving about how fantastic the facilities were in Healy Park, "its like looking out over a premiership pitch" - compliment indeed.

What were Tyrone doing practising their diving drills on a workday???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: feetofflames on February 12, 2008, 10:36:27 AM
"Pay for play"  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thejuice on February 12, 2008, 11:03:19 AM
Turned it over to network 2 there and 2 guys were discussing the weekend sport. Talked for a few minutes about the 6 nations starting and then a few minutes on the superbowl. The "expert" was asked if he thought american football would catch on with the irish, he said he couldnt see it and that we'd probably stick to the rugby.

The GAA gets ample coverage on RTE1, but it should of course get a mention on RTE2.


PS: American Football is doing alright in Ireland. Growing slowly. IAFL has had an average of 2 new teams joining every year.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on February 12, 2008, 11:15:22 PM
The BBC and UTV seem to have upped their game lately, I got to admit. Glad to see it guys and gals. Hopefully they'll keep it up. :)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on February 19, 2008, 09:30:30 PM
There's too much GAA on the BBC and UTV these days.  :P

But seriously, as far as news bulletins go, they're about as good as RTE;  the only difference is RTE have English Premiership in place of Irish League. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on February 19, 2008, 10:55:39 PM
Credit where it's due -
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on February 19, 2008, 10:57:44 PM
The two channels had excellent coverage of the Rock's All-Ireland game.

Last year UTV didn't even mention it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on February 19, 2008, 11:07:51 PM
Duagh from Kerry and erm... can't remember the other team.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on February 19, 2008, 11:29:33 PM
can't remember the other team.

Really ?? You really should get yourself seen about !  ;D ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on February 20, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
did anyone notice the difference on monday nihgt when utv led their sports with a report on the national league and the bbc didn't have a single league game? they instead went with ulster rugby (surprise, surprise) from a game on friday night which had already been shown over the weekend. then they had a linfield goalie and then the rock but not any national league. still a big difference in mindset. in other words, the bbc totally ignored the league on tv over the weekend - not even a point on saturday, sunday or monday, whereas utv thought it was their biggest story on monday. and while i'm on it, what is the craic with the new deal, like why are they saying they might or they could? sounds like they will come back later and say 'ah, but we didn't say we definitely do all that' - imagine the north west races being announced like that. you still can't bloody (mary) trust them!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on February 20, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
Are the BBC allowed to send cameras to the nearest national league games and show a few brief highlights for news purposes?
Seen UTV done a decent round up on Monday of a few games, would they have spent a penny on that really?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: timmyot501 on February 21, 2008, 09:10:51 AM
I hear the BBC are going to show all of the ulster championship live in 2008. All 8 games!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: umpire on February 21, 2008, 09:44:54 AM
Congratulation to BBC for showing all 8 Ulster Senior Chamionship games live this year,this is brilliant news for a number of GAA fans who are unable to travel to games especially the older people.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rick O Shea on February 21, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
Congratulation to BBC for showing all 8 Ulster Senior Chamionship games live this year,this is brilliant news for a number of GAA fans who are unable to travel to games especially the older people.

My understanding of it is that the BBC can only show matches that RTE are showing - i'd doubt if RTE will be showing all 8 Ulster Championship matches!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 29, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
I see on UTV that 25 year old Ryan McMenamin returns for Tyrone as well as winger Ryan Mellon. Just hope that Mellon can get some good ball into the box for our strikers who can beat the off side trap to hit a goal or 2. Hopefully we can keep a clean sheet at the back to.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on February 29, 2008, 11:16:48 PM
Who's this 25 year old Ryan McMenamin?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: KIDDO 4 on March 01, 2008, 01:10:15 AM
Turned 30 , last November , soIam sure he is glad to be listed as 25.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on March 01, 2008, 01:17:04 AM
He had a bebo page once that claimed he was 100 and something. Likes Maradona too.

How you know? It was a private profile.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on March 01, 2008, 11:52:38 AM
Stephen Watson was on the ball last night.  Apparently Tony Kernan is making his Armagh debut on Sunday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Out in Front on March 15, 2008, 10:23:17 PM
Did the BBC manage to get through the sport on Newsline on Friday without mentioning the weekend's NFL and HHL action or was I dreaming?

This was posted on the Down thread, and a good point it is too - "One point of order- on a night when six Ulster teams were playing there was not even a score, let alone a report, from any game on Radio Ulster. A disgrace and everyone on this board who pays a TV licence should demand better from the BBC."
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on March 16, 2008, 06:38:35 PM
Are we surprised? sure wasn't watson out in new york with yer man duddy the boxer who they're trying to make into a champion but he's no chance -t hat's where the money goes... on a dud... excuse the pun...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 26, 2008, 11:08:22 PM
Congratulations to the BBC on tonights coverage of the Norn Iron match -

Good to see they've also put out highlights of the under 21 match from Casement and have provided a real good report from the match - just go the BBC site for further details of a very comprehensive report !


BIGOTS !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on March 27, 2008, 03:59:27 PM
noticed that myself,not a mention even that there were gaa matches on last night though highlights from u21 soccer friendly and every goal from thonirish league shite!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 27, 2008, 06:31:40 PM
Last Saturday on sportsround the BBC showed goals from every Irish league game and had intereviews etc - some of the matches didnt seem to have any more than a 100 at them. Fermanagh played in the national league and they quickly gave out the result at the end. Why no camera at it, why was it different to the Irish league games which had smaller attendances or the hockey games which nobody at all goes to watch?

They gave out the results from the 1st division soccer, all the rugby club results and from all the hockey divisions etc - crowds at Tyrone club league games would be a lot higher (and other counties in Ulster) but there's not a hope in hell they'd ever be given out on tv.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on March 27, 2008, 07:07:26 PM
Lads - instead of giving out about it here why not start putting motions to Co Board Meetings and to Ulster Council meetings to write official letters of complaint followed by either stop paying licences or Court Action under parity of esteem heading in th ecase of the BBC and in the case of UTV let all GAA people ensure that they give no advertising to UTV.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 27, 2008, 11:57:11 PM
Lads - instead of giving out about it here why not start putting motions to Co Board Meetings and to Ulster Council meetings to write official letters of complaint followed by either stop paying licences or Court Action under parity of esteem heading in th ecase of the BBC and in the case of UTV let all GAA people ensure that they give no advertising to UTV.


Good idea Rossfan !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on March 28, 2008, 11:07:54 AM
No way would I pay my TV licence if I was up north with that sort of inequity taking place.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on March 28, 2008, 01:21:44 PM
and what may i ask would you do scalder, sent the letter of complaint the time paddy heaney brought it up, and maybe thats the next step for brolly et al, once the pay for play debate is over of course!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 06:13:49 PM
Is Mr. Brolly out there ? If so send me pm so that we can discuss please - thanks
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 28, 2008, 06:32:07 PM
Usual story tonight. 3mins of irish league soccer, 2 mins of rugby, 4 minutes of some fat fu#k on a surf board in portrush >:( and 2 mins of golf. Not a word about the weekends football fest
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 28, 2008, 06:36:27 PM
And not just any golf. Coverage and interviews of two 13 year old girls from Cavan playing golf! Joke but at least theyve promised to show the irish cup semi final goals tomorrow. No mention of the big ulster derby between Tyrone and Donegal or the clash of Armagh and Dublin which is set to attract more than the 2 irish cup semis put together.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 28, 2008, 06:47:49 PM
Fu#k me!! Surfin on the beeb as well. Only this time it's in Bundoran.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on March 28, 2008, 07:21:23 PM
Did ya see Greencastle on the BBC tonight? ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 09:10:38 PM
I'm sick of this - Cliftonville, Linfield, surfing, golf etc etc - and now I go to the BBC and all I see is LIVE MAGNERS LEAGUE UPDATES !

Right - end of the road - can somebody pm me a contact for Mr. Brolly - this situation must end - !!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 28, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Its not Mr Brolly you need to talk to. It's your fellow county men Logan and Quinn ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
They won't fall out with their employers ! This has already been tried - both have tried and failed !  >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 10:13:13 PM
True to form - BBC have all the reports on the rugger matches as soon as they finish, with pictures etc etc - bigots !!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on March 28, 2008, 10:23:13 PM
Was watching a programme on BBC 4 last night about censorship in the BBC, their blue print was the "little green book" mainly dealt with topics that jokes could not be made about. I am surprised that they didn't mention gaelic games!

There is little benefit to yourself orangeman in getting so upset over it. I agree that it is wrong, but they are not likely to change anytime soon and you might go so far as to call it bigotted. I know where you are coming from with Joe Brolly, but is he likely to champion the cause for more GAA on BBC & UTV given that he is employed by RTE?

Who is the minister for communications in the north and what party are they?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 10:24:48 PM
He might be appearing before the bench if he carries on like that


I don't think there is one ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on March 28, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
As I said before - it's time the GAA officially took this up with Equality bodies in respect of the Publicly owned BBC and withdraw advertising from the Commercial UTV.
If there are  400,000 GAA followers in the 6 Counties so how many of them have some commercial interests?
Surely a campaign by the Ulster Council would bear some fruit.
Mind you RTE for 7 or 8 months of the year doesnt do much GAA except there's bad news.
The Sports segment in last Saturday's 6 o clock news had no results of the 5 or 6 U 21 Championship games played that day but no danger of them missing anything about Rugby.
On Sunday evening's News the main items on the Sports was English Soccer despite it being the last round of NHL games.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 28, 2008, 10:28:39 PM
Was watching a programme on BBC 4 last night about censorship in the BBC, their blue print was the "little green book" mainly dealt with topics that jokes could not be made about. I am surprised that they didn't mention gaelic games!

There is little benefit to yourself orangeman in getting so upset over it. I agree that it is wrong, but they are not likely to change anytime soon and you might go so far as to call it bigotted. I know where you are coming from with Joe Brolly, but is he likely to champion the cause for more GAA on BBC & UTV given that he is employed by RTE?

Who is the minister for communications in the north and what party are they?

Joe doesn champion sh!t unless he's gettin somethin outa it. Made a fortune out of gaelic games, but he castigates any current players for tryin to get a shillin.....
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 10:32:06 PM
Was watching a programme on BBC 4 last night about censorship in the BBC, their blue print was the "little green book" mainly dealt with topics that jokes could not be made about. I am surprised that they didn't mention gaelic games!

There is little benefit to yourself orangeman in getting so upset over it. I agree that it is wrong, but they are not likely to change anytime soon and you might go so far as to call it bigotted. I know where you are coming from with Joe Brolly, but is he likely to champion the cause for more GAA on BBC & UTV given that he is employed by RTE?

Who is the minister for communications in the north and what party are they?

Joe doesn champion sh!t unless he's gettin somethin outa it. Made a fortune out of gaelic games, but he castigates any current players for tryin to get a shillin.....

Really ? How do you know he has made a fortune ? Doing what ?

Did he get paid for playing the same way as players are now ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on March 28, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
Stick to the subject Orangeman and dont be going off on your favourite hobby horse. ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 28, 2008, 10:46:51 PM
Stick to the subject Orangeman and dont be going off on your favourite hobby horse. ;)

I'm curious as to how Brolly made a fortune out of GAA and how he does nothing for nothing as claimed by Jody B -
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 28, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
Stick to the subject Orangeman and dont be going off on your favourite hobby horse. ;)

I'm curious as to how Brolly made a fortune out of GAA and how he does nothing for nothing as claimed by Jody B -
Are you telling me that he hasn't made a fortune in the gainful employ of  RTE and various tabloid offerings, based on a comination of his undeniable footballing talent and his penchant for general ability to talk shite. Tis undeniable that his talent for both is probably God given, but football allowed him to portray the other ability to the general public, for which he now gets paid????
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on March 29, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
If there is any class of fracas in Cross' on Sunday, on or off the pitch, I'll bet you the BBC and UTV manage to cover that.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on March 29, 2008, 12:08:06 AM
If there is any class of fracas in Cross' on Sunday, on or off the pitch, I'll bet you the BBC and UTV manage to cover that.
Delighted to hear it!! At least there'll be somthin of interest on the news on monday! No doubt Francie'll not be too far away :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 29, 2008, 12:09:22 AM
Stick to the subject Orangeman and dont be going off on your favourite hobby horse. ;)

I'm curious as to how Brolly made a fortune out of GAA and how he does nothing for nothing as claimed by Jody B -
Are you telling me that he hasn't made a fortune in the gainful employ of  RTE and various tabloid offerings, based on a comination of his undeniable footballing talent and his penchant for general ability to talk shite. Tis undeniable that his talent for both is probably God given, but football allowed him to portray the other ability to the general public, for which he now gets paid????

There's no doubt that he gets paid for his work with RTE but I have to take issue with you that Joe doesn't do anything for nothing - I have heard that he does a lot of underage coaching and has a role with Antrim for which he receives no remuneration. Brolly didn't get paid for playing unlike the players of today. I find him quite interesting actually and he was a great servant to Derry - so far from criticising him, I thought you'd be praising him ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on March 29, 2008, 09:50:56 AM
Brolly didn't get paid for playing unlike the players of today.

Jaysus, when did this start?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 29, 2008, 03:42:42 PM
Brolly didn't get paid for playing unlike the players of today.

Jaysus, when did this start?

This year !  ;)  ;D Ask your man Conway - isn't that what he's arguing about ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on March 29, 2008, 03:46:27 PM
Best thing to do, is to get Fergal Logan involved. There's bound to be an equality issuse at stake here.

Was watching UTV last night.

Soccer, Rugby, Surfing and a 13 year old golfer.

They then said after the sport around up of all scores and results in the local football and rugby over the weekend on Sunday evening. No mention of Gaelic Games anywhere.

BBC wasn't much better, although they had a piece about the upcoming new Presidency in Camogie.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on March 29, 2008, 05:37:23 PM
This year !  ;)  ;D Ask your man Conway - isn't that what he's arguing about ?

I really have no idea
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on March 29, 2008, 06:10:58 PM
Fantastic coverage of Linfield and Cliftonville today ! Limavady United and Ballymena Utd played some game there -

It's a pity there's no GAA on at this time of the year - when does the GAS season start ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 13, 2008, 06:43:40 PM
UTV are a joke. Thousands at the matches today, probably up to ten thousand at Cross and another 5 or 6 thousand at Omagh and Im sure another few thosuand in Newry and Letterkenny. They gave out the results on Sunday sport and that was it. This was followed by 3 or 4 minutes of coverage of yesterdays local soccer matches (Which was probably covered yesterday to). This involved plenty of coverage of the match at an empty windsor followed by full interviews with Davy the Linfield manager. There was also coverage of Martin Rogans fight in England on Friday and then a couple of minutes given to the extremely popular sport of wrestling. There bigoted coverage is a disgrace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on April 13, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
That was pretty bad this evening - especially given the high profile games that Armagh and Derry were involved in.  Will be interesting to see whether there's anything more substantial on these games tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 13, 2008, 10:17:07 PM
At least utv text is up to date - Derry "winger" Conleth Gilligan scored today and Cavan "winger" Seanie Johnston won a monthly award.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: the green man on April 13, 2008, 10:23:47 PM
Lads, is there any point in this thread? We know how they operate a this stage. Soccer then Rugby then Hockey. A niche in the market if ever there was one to set up your own NI sports channel. At least ye'd cover them all, per attendance of course.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on April 13, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
I'm tired talking about the bigots !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on April 14, 2008, 10:55:43 AM
People on here talk about the BBC text service being good for results, maybe so for "Ulster" sides, but your fecked if your looking any other scores from the other Provinces, and forget u-21's, minors, Hurling etc...


As for this thread being a waste of time, no, I think we need to keep this issue in the public mind, if we as GAA people let it rest, then we can expect nothing less from the bigots in broadcasting!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on April 15, 2008, 02:00:25 PM
What about last night on UTV?

Paul Clarke said that Derry now play the Kingdom in the League Final....... Kerry that is, not *cough* ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on April 15, 2008, 02:01:50 PM
People on here talk about the BBC text service being good for results, maybe so for "Ulster" sides, but your fecked if your looking any other scores from the other Provinces, and forget u-21's, minors, Hurling etc...


As for this thread being a waste of time, no, I think we need to keep this issue in the public mind, if we as GAA people let it rest, then we can expect nothing less from the bigots in broadcasting!

Too true Gaoth Dobhair !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7359312.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7359312.stm)

Seven Ulster SFC games - that's more than has ever been on so the bad press must have done something!

Maybe I'm mistaken but I count eight games there - looks like the whole championship - great stuff!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on April 21, 2008, 08:40:49 PM
Good to see. Hope the attendances stay up and it's not played out before half empty stadiums. Up to the GAA on that one I think.
Are the finer details of the GAA TV rights made public. I'd love to know if the GAA took a hit on this to make it possible for us nordies or did the BBC cough up big time.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on April 21, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
That is good to see indeed. You would like to think that the BBC coughed up big figures like the rest, but I somehow doubt it  :-\

Credit where credit is due though

PS: What was the coverage of Parnell park like tonight??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on April 21, 2008, 09:23:50 PM
Only time you'll see any action involving two southern teams, and that includes All-Ireland day.
Showed the second Meath goal, a Connolly point and all the bad stuff.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on April 21, 2008, 09:32:48 PM
Only time you'll see any action involving two southern teams, and that includes All-Ireland day.
Showed the second Meath goal, a Connolly point and all the bad stuff.

Which station??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 21, 2008, 09:43:58 PM
Thats unreal if they showed clips from the Dubs match. UTV or BBC didnt even mention the all ireland hurling final (and possibly the football final to) with their excuse obviously being that it didnt involve local teams even though it is one of the biggest days in Irish sport. Says it all if they turn round and show clips from Dublin Meath tonight after a row.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on April 22, 2008, 11:51:21 AM
Lads there was mention of Mr Brolly and others taking legal action to get some sort of balance into the reporting of our games, has there been any news on this?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on April 22, 2008, 01:45:13 PM
For the last two Sundays now, UTV Sport on Sunday have lead with Linfield and Saturdays NI soccer, and only give the gaa results at the end with no coverage.

A case of Rugby on a Friday, Soccer on a Saturday and Soccer on a Sunday.

In fairness BBC have tightened up a bit this year but UTV (Logan is Head of Sport) still fawn over the local soccer whether or not there is anyone at it.

I very rarely buy the Belfast Telegraph, but did so yesterday to read Adrian Logan's page on the GAA.  He refers to RTE as 'Television down South'.  I think that sums up his attitude.  We can't rely on him to do anything to promote GAA on UTV.  I think it's a case of him playing his masters tune.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maroon Heaven on April 22, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
I might be late on this but I heard the Belfast Telegraph and News Letter have had board meetings and agreed to increase the Gaa Content to meet the standards wanted by their readers.

Big step for News letter if that is the case. I am not expecting to be given a glossy 8 page spread, so we'll see.

There is also an Ulster Rugby Magazine called "InTouch Rugby" which plans to roll out a Gaa edition. This would be given free before some of the big Ulster game. Has done well within the Ulster Rugby and if they get it right might do okay for the Gaa.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on April 22, 2008, 03:19:03 PM

I see utv had oisin McConville listed as a "winger returning from injury" all weekend. i have now concluded that his use of the "winger" term is an injoke and they know well it pisses people off.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on April 22, 2008, 03:48:53 PM
I can't remember the last time utv teletext didn't call a player a winger.  They are definitely doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: screenexile on April 22, 2008, 03:51:23 PM
I can't remember the last time utv teletext didn't call a player a winger.  They are definitely doing it on purpose.

I think that's hilarious... I think we should rebrand all our positions so that they sound cooler. A Winger would be a good start!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: rrhf on April 22, 2008, 04:23:37 PM

"I see utv had oisin McConville listed as a "winger returning from injury" all weekend. i have now concluded that his use of the "winger" term is an injoke and they know well it pisses people off." Uladh says

I dont know about that Uladh maybe it was a simple typo and they missed the h.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tyssam5 on April 22, 2008, 04:44:11 PM

"I see utv had oisin McConville listed as a "winger returning from injury" all weekend. i have now concluded that his use of the "winger" term is an injoke and they know well it pisses people off." Uladh says

I dont know about that Uladh maybe it was a simple typo and they missed the h.


I was just thinking the same thing, but yours is better. Mine had the same number of letters as the original but the 2nd and 4th were different.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on April 22, 2008, 06:28:14 PM
Thats unreal if they showed clips from the Dubs match. UTV or BBC didnt even mention the all ireland hurling final (and possibly the football final to) with their excuse obviously being that it didnt involve local teams even though it is one of the biggest days in Irish sport. Says it all if they turn round and show clips from Dublin Meath tonight after a row.
See the Dublin Meath "brawl" to be on BBC Newsline tonight again
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on April 22, 2008, 06:32:02 PM
Was on UTV again tonight.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on April 22, 2008, 08:42:37 PM
How can they justify showing it once never mind twice? Their coverage of the nfl throughout the year has been limited to say the least. As I also pointed out they ignored the all ireland hurling final completely last year and possibly the football final to. The result of the hurling final wasnt even given out on the sports news. Hard to justify their coverage now of a row in a league game involving 2 southern teams after ignoring one of the biggest days in Irish Sport.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on April 23, 2008, 09:19:27 AM
F--king bigots - why don't they go on the march and stay on it !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on April 23, 2008, 09:33:48 AM
Why does Watson have to look so fecking smug.
I immediatley switch to Hollyoaks!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: upthehoops on April 23, 2008, 09:59:07 AM
Why does Watson have to look so fecking smug.
I immediatley switch to Hollyoaks!
Watson cant help himself. He looks like that all the time. Creepy bollix
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Louth Exile on April 27, 2008, 08:24:21 PM
Be interesting to see if anyone lets them know that Derry won the NFL Div 1 title!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on April 27, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
To be fair, BBC1 had highlights from the match and it was their first sports story on this evening's bulletin, above Darren Clarke having some notable win in Golf.
BBC online also had its match report online 1.5 hours ahead of RTÉ.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hoof Hearted on April 27, 2008, 08:33:23 PM
To be fair, BBC1 had highlights from the match and it was their first sports story on this evening's bulletin, above Darren Clarke having some notable win in Golf.
BBC online also had its match report online 1.5 hours ahead of RTÉ.

very little people tune in on a sunday evening
if derry winning the NFL today is ahead of linfield winning the league on tomorrows news i will be amazed !!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: laoisgaa on April 27, 2008, 10:52:00 PM
Quote
BBC online also had its match report online 1.5 hours ahead of RTÉ.

In fairness RTÉ had there report up within 40 minutes of the match finishing, the timing you are most likely referring too is when the 'extended report' was put up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on April 29, 2008, 10:16:52 PM
Nice to see both the BBC and UTV do a piece this evening from Croke Park about the start of the Championship season.

Although yet again, Logie brought up the fight between Dublin and Meath.....
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on May 01, 2008, 06:09:02 PM
That's a wile looking tie Paul Clarke is wearing tonight!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on May 03, 2008, 03:12:25 PM
Was watching UTV the other night - sports section came on - Adrian Logan was on - they gave massive coverage to rugby, ice hockey,soccer, bowls, horse jumping etc and at the end he said - on to GAA and big news this evening is that 5 Meath players are going to appeal their bans ????


Adrian - are you for f---king real ???? Who wants to know about Meath appealing their bans ???

Is this all that was newsworthy that day / week on the GAA front ??

And I turn on the tv tday and BBC are showing lice on BBC2 the Cup Final.


I'm f--king fed up with these bigots !!!!!!!!!!!

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on May 04, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
In fairness there's not a lot happening in the GAA at the minute, on a national level anyway.
They're well entitled to show the cup final too. Probably the only time all year any Irish League sides are shown live on BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: zoyler on June 08, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
You can always depend on the BBC - A great game between Down & Tyrone and we get to see that well known and popular 'Ulster' sport - Clay Court Tennis from Paris - thanks a bunch lads!

This time you can't even use the excuse of the UEFA tourament - the times did not clash!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on June 08, 2008, 08:17:45 PM
Heard that alright, he kept saying McNulty throughout.
Though you're no better TYP, isn't he called Owen McConnon?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on June 08, 2008, 08:46:42 PM
You can always depend on the BBC - A great game between Down & Tyrone and we get to see that well known and popular 'Ulster' sport - Clay Court Tennis from Paris - thanks a bunch lads!

This time you can't even use the excuse of the UEFA tourament - the times did not clash!
I thought there was a genuine reason for the game not being shown live? I may be wrong.

EDIT: Oh, and at least we got full deferred coverage from BBC.  RTÉ or TV3 didn't show it and RTÉ will probably only have very brief highlights tonight.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on June 08, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Could someone pleeeeeease gag that sidebottom w@nker!!!??? How many names did he get wrong today? How many rationale calls did he get wrong? His general commentary is appalling. Gormley's as boring as fcuk, but at least he knows what he's talking about!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on June 08, 2008, 09:37:09 PM
Could someone pleeeeeease gag that sidebottom w@nker!!!??? How many names did he get wrong today? How many rationale calls did he get wrong? His general commentary is appalling. Gormley's as boring as fcuk, but at least he knows what he's talking about!!
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I'm sure he does but he said how effective Kevin Hughes was today for Tyrone - a different Kevin Hughes to what I saw !  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: jodyb on June 08, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
Still scored a point that kept yes in it near the end
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Feckitt on June 08, 2008, 10:22:13 PM
You can always depend on the BBC - A great game between Down & Tyrone and we get to see that well known and popular 'Ulster' sport - Clay Court Tennis from Paris - thanks a bunch lads!

This time you can't even use the excuse of the UEFA tourament - the times did not clash!

Would you ever stop complaining!!  The BBC are showing 7 live Ulster matches, and full deferred coverage of todays game.  They haven't always been too hot on GAA in the past, but this year they are making an effort.  The Championship programme is not perfect, but it is a big improvement on previous years.  Their website and teletext are always up to date on GAA news.  I have often criticised the BBC in the past, and I continue to despair with UTV, but you have to be fair, and recognise the big improvement the BBC have made in their coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: mick999 on June 09, 2008, 01:12:50 AM
You can always depend on the BBC - A great game between Down & Tyrone and we get to see that well known and popular 'Ulster' sport - Clay Court Tennis from Paris - thanks a bunch lads!

This time you can't even use the excuse of the UEFA tourament - the times did not clash!

BBC were not allowed to show the game live ... From their website:

Lots of Tyrone and Down fans have been asking this week why Sunday's game is a deferred showing on BBC TWO and not a LIVE one.

The BBC is very keen to show the game live but the television contract simply does not allow us to do so.

The GAA's Primary TV rights holders for the football and hurling championships are RTE and TV3. The BBC is a secondary rights holder.

This means we can show the same game live in the Ulster Championship simultaneously with RTE - or in the case of the Ulster final, with TV3.

But we cannot go "head-to-head" with either broadcaster when they're broadcasting a different, non-Ulster Championship game at the same time.

This Sunday, RTE is covering the Munster hurling championship game between Cork and Tipperary at 1400 BST while TV3 is showing the Leinster football championship match between Dublin and Louth live at 1600 BST.

The Tyrone-Down game throws in at 1545 - so there's an obvious clash. Fortunately, this appears to be the only Sunday when this 'clash' affects the Ulster Championship. The other seven matches, including the Provincial final on July 20th, will be live on BBC NI.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 09, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
That seems like a fair enough excuse from the beeb, its a pity the clause exists.
Wonder will BBC2 show the replay live next Saturday?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 01:43:31 PM
UTV say that Tyrone wingers Enda McGinley and Colm Cavanagh are doubtful for next week.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: passedit on June 09, 2008, 01:55:15 PM
That seems like a fair enough excuse from the beeb, its a pity the clause exists.
Wonder will BBC2 show the replay live next Saturday?

yeah but why not stick it on iplayer as rte was webcasting it to everyone but the outcasts in the occupied territories?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on June 09, 2008, 02:10:24 PM
You can always depend on the BBC - A great game between Down & Tyrone and we get to see that well known and popular 'Ulster' sport - Clay Court Tennis from Paris - thanks a bunch lads!

This time you can't even use the excuse of the UEFA tourament - the times did not clash!

BBC were not allowed to show the game live ... From their website:

Lots of Tyrone and Down fans have been asking this week why Sunday's game is a deferred showing on BBC TWO and not a LIVE one.

The BBC is very keen to show the game live but the television contract simply does not allow us to do so.

The GAA's Primary TV rights holders for the football and hurling championships are RTE and TV3. The BBC is a secondary rights holder.

This means we can show the same game live in the Ulster Championship simultaneously with RTE - or in the case of the Ulster final, with TV3.

But we cannot go "head-to-head" with either broadcaster when they're broadcasting a different, non-Ulster Championship game at the same time.

This Sunday, RTE is covering the Munster hurling championship game between Cork and Tipperary at 1400 BST while TV3 is showing the Leinster football championship match between Dublin and Louth live at 1600 BST.

The Tyrone-Down game throws in at 1545 - so there's an obvious clash. Fortunately, this appears to be the only Sunday when this 'clash' affects the Ulster Championship. The other seven matches, including the Provincial final on July 20th, will be live on BBC NI.


Dont really understand their explanation. How did they show the Cavan Antrim game which wasnt on rte or tv3 or how are they showing the Armagh game next week which isnt on rte or tv3? Doubt the Tyrone game will be on live on Saturday night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: zoyler on June 10, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
I accept what the BBC say about there inability to showTyrone v Down live and that blame rests with Croke Park negotiators. 

I await with interest what will happen re radio coverage of Ulster Club Championship this autumn after the nonsense that went on last year.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on June 15, 2008, 04:14:06 PM
Steven McDonnell scores a free and Sidebottom says he is as accurate as Einstein

Also he says, Armagh are like a bucking bull that you can't get off your back.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 15, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
sidebottom is becoming a panto character! have to admit though i laugh at some of the shite he comes out with!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on July 01, 2008, 06:37:54 PM
"Tyrone's all star winger Owen Mulligan is back in training".
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Leo on July 01, 2008, 06:44:31 PM
The crassness of the BBC item last night about the danger to spectators from balls being kicked in at the goals hits an all-time low in terms of relevance and priority and dominated the piece about the highest attened (non-free) sporting event in "Ulster" so far this year.

Time to get professional.
Ulster Council should have a media department monitroing and liasing with TV people about these things - prper professional PR set up urgently required not a job for some a***ole lackey from within.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2008, 07:14:21 PM
Yer man on the sidelines interviewing managers and players before during and after on the BBC is some bucko. Can't remember his name - wears make up. Some of his questions kill me. "Do you think you can win the final?" was something he asked of Ciaran McKeever and a few others. I really do curl in embarrassment as he draws breath for the next question.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 01, 2008, 09:55:22 PM
Yer man on the sidelines interviewing managers and players before during and after on the BBC is some bucko. Can't remember his name - wears make up. Some of his questions kill me. "Do you think you can win the final?" was something he asked of Ciaran McKeever and a few others. I really do curl in embarrassment as he draws breath for the next question.

Do you mean Thomas Kane??  I always thought he was wearing a bit of makeup...thought he might have been wearing mascara too???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on July 01, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
Thats the very boy. Doesnt know if its pumped or stuffed!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 01, 2008, 11:10:50 PM
He looks like he wears more makeup than I do!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 08, 2008, 11:32:06 PM
The BBC did a piece on the Aussie Rules poaching our young players tonight on Newsline 6.30.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7466369.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7466369.stm)

and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7496550.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7496550.stm)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: 5 Sams on July 17, 2008, 11:05:49 PM
You'd think some hoor in the BBC is assigned to deliberately wind us up :-\
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on July 21, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
Are the BBC likely to cover the Ulster final replay, not expecting football on that day I have something else on. I expect the Freestate stations already have games to cover that day.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: FermGael on July 21, 2008, 01:56:42 PM
I nearly sure they said that they are.

Bring back Jimmy Smith.  Sidebottom was brutal yesterday.
Do you reckon he was trying to beat the world record for the number of clichés said in commentary??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on July 21, 2008, 01:57:36 PM
Are the BBC likely to cover the Ulster final replay, not expecting football on that day I have something else on. I expect the Freestate stations already have games to cover that day.
Yes - Austin said yesterday that it would be live.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bloody mary on July 21, 2008, 04:27:19 PM
'Yes I would' - what do you mean about 'don't get me started about that kane fella on bbc'? Every week someone says that here but I never see it so I was wondering what yourse are on about! And yes, it was square ball, my immediate thought, as when Owens got the goal against Derry, but sure everyone wanted Fermanagh to beat us.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: blasmere on July 21, 2008, 04:51:18 PM
I nearly sure they said that they are.

Bring back Jimmy Smith.  Sidebottom was brutal yesterday.
Do you reckon he was trying to beat the world record for the number of clichés said in commentary??


I couldn't listen to him after about 10 minutes, I had to change it to tv3, Mike Finnerty was loads better.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Oriel Man on July 21, 2008, 05:12:03 PM
I nearly sure they said that they are.

Bring back Jimmy Smith.  Sidebottom was brutal yesterday.
Do you reckon he was trying to beat the world record for the number of clichés said in commentary??


I couldn't listen to him after about 10 minutes, I had to change it to tv3, Mike Finnerty was loads better.

Yea, I actually agree...... Finnerty wasn't bad, but TV3 are still brutal.
I hope i never have the misfortune of hearing Trevor Welsh commentate on a Football match again (He's bad enough with Soccer nevermind GAA). The Monaghan Vs Derry commentary was the worst live commentary ever!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on July 21, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
I nearly sure they said that they are.

Bring back Jimmy Smith.  Sidebottom was brutal yesterday.
Do you reckon he was trying to beat the world record for the number of clichés said in commentary??

I actually texted BBC about all those stupid cliches yesterday. It was mind numbing and even Gormley was getting fed up with him. Too long spent in the company of J Fullerton
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on July 21, 2008, 07:55:15 PM
Had reservations about TV3 and Matt Cooper, but enjoy the pre-match, half time and post match analysis.
Magee, Canavan & Connell work well together. Was also pleasantly surprised with David Brady. If they can get a decent commentary team, theyd be the dogs bollix!!

Sidebottom tries hard but it does become cringeworthy at times. 30 mins to go yesterday he was for packing up his mike and heading home. At least Gormley had the wit to suggest that a couple of Fermanagh scores could get them back into it!

As i said before dont know how Enda keeps a straight face with him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gold on July 21, 2008, 10:11:46 PM
'Yes I would' - what do you mean about 'don't get me started about that kane fella on bbc'? Every week someone says that here but I never see it so I was wondering what yourse are on about! And yes, it was square ball, my immediate thought, as when Owens got the goal against Derry, but sure everyone wanted Fermanagh to beat us.

you must be Kane or a relative, thats 2 threads you've asked that question on
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2008, 10:19:28 PM
I'd have to agree that Sidey's attempts to add humour to the proceedings are unnecessary and unwelcome.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on July 21, 2008, 10:20:40 PM
I'd have to agree that Sidey's attempts to add humour to the proceedings are unnecessary and unwelcome.

Someone should start a bring back Jimmy Smyth campaign!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Lecale2 on July 22, 2008, 09:14:52 AM
What about a "Bring back Jackie Fullerton" campaign?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 22, 2008, 09:53:13 AM
Benny Tierney was funny enough getting interviewed at half time
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fuzzman on July 24, 2008, 02:03:16 PM
So am I right to say the TV3 are showing the Tyrone v Westmeath game but no-one is showing the Ulster final or is there a small chnace that the BBC will come in at the last minute and show the replay.

If the Tyrone match is on at 3pm will they have a full hour of analysis before and after the game as the program is on from 2pm to 5.10pm?


Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: blasmere on July 24, 2008, 02:18:47 PM
So am I right to say the TV3 are showing the Tyrone v Westmeath game but no-one is showing the Ulster final or is there a small chnace that the BBC will come in at the last minute and show the replay.

If the Tyrone match is on at 3pm will they have a full hour of analysis before and after the game as the program is on from 2pm to 5.10pm?


BBC are showing the game on Sunday, Austy announced straight after the game last week that they would be showing it live.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: D4S on July 24, 2008, 03:57:33 PM
So am I right to say the TV3 are showing the Tyrone v Westmeath game but no-one is showing the Ulster final or is there a small chnace that the BBC will come in at the last minute and show the replay.

If the Tyrone match is on at 3pm will they have a full hour of analysis before and after the game as the program is on from 2pm to 5.10pm?




It's been on BBC website all week that the game would be live  14.55-17.00.  At least they are showing it but I'm sure the 5mins of pre-match analysis will be great, surely they could talk tactics for 5minutes!?!?!?! Actually probably only be 4minutes take a minute out for the anthem.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fuzzman on July 24, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Thanks Lads
I thought I heard it wasn't on

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scud on July 24, 2008, 04:50:47 PM

Did anyone else hear siderumps' reference to water spitting on a hot stove?? I think even gormley cringed at that one. He does try though, I'll give him that

Not sure if its been mentioned before but I detect a definite underlying animosity between McHugh and Burns! It's quite funny to watch, they disagree on almost everything
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on July 24, 2008, 07:39:22 PM
Just on Armagh tactics I think.

Sidebottom or some of your crew must be lurking here, Tommy McElroy is from BROOKEBOROUGH!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on July 24, 2008, 08:01:31 PM
So am I right to say the TV3 are showing the Tyrone v Westmeath game but no-one is showing the Ulster final or is there a small chnace that the BBC will come in at the last minute and show the replay.

If the Tyrone match is on at 3pm will they have a full hour of analysis before and after the game as the program is on from 2pm to 5.10pm?




It's been on BBC website all week that the game would be live  14.55-17.00.  At least they are showing it but I'm sure the 5mins of pre-match analysis will be great, surely they could talk tactics for 5minutes!?!?!?! Actually probably only be 4minutes take a minute out for the anthem.
Glass half empty?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: red hander on July 25, 2008, 10:10:08 AM
Of course Mr Sidebottom and friends do lurk on the Board.  I was accused by Mr Sidebottom of making remarks about his commentary on the MacRory Cup final in 2007 on the Board, he was quite annoyed.  So much so that he attacked me in the changing rooms in Croke Park after the 2007 Hogan Cup final when he discovered my identity, probably when I made a further remark about it being Omagh CBS who had won that day and not Omagh St Endas.  Mr Sidebottom went on at length about the fact that I had made a formal complaint to the BBC about his commentary which myself and a number of parents considered to be one sided in that he knew all about the Monaghan side but nothing about Omagh CBS except to call them Omagh St Enda's despite receiving a complaint following the previous final from an irate parent who took exception to this failure to name the school properly. In the euphoria of the day and subsequent weeks, I forgot to make a second formal complaint to the BBC about his conduct on that day.



I always thought he was a w**ker ... this just confirms it ... what a tool ... i hope he's reading this
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on July 25, 2008, 10:31:17 AM
Of course Mr Sidebottom and friends do lurk on the Board.  I was accused by Mr Sidebottom of making remarks about his commentary on the MacRory Cup final in 2007 on the Board, he was quite annoyed.  So much so that he attacked me in the changing rooms in Croke Park after the 2007 Hogan Cup final when he discovered my identity, probably when I made a further remark about it being Omagh CBS who had won that day and not Omagh St Endas.  Mr Sidebottom went on at length about the fact that I had made a formal complaint to the BBC about his commentary which myself and a number of parents considered to be one sided in that he knew all about the Monaghan side but nothing about Omagh CBS except to call them Omagh St Enda's despite receiving a complaint following the previous final from an irate parent who took exception to this failure to name the school properly. In the euphoria of the day and subsequent weeks, I forgot to make a second formal complaint to the BBC about his conduct on that day.


Do I detect that Sidearse is known then to have a short fuse? Almost came to blows when he started on me in the Big Tree after the Armagh Dublin game in 2002 after he overheard a bit of banter I was having with one of the production crew (Derry supporter). Started into a big tirade with attitude about how flukey Armagh were, didn't deserve to be in a final, blah, blah, blah... "f**k off Sidearse I wasn't talking to you". The company I was with were shocked at his behaviour. Little man syndrome I'd guess. Never like the smug wee bastard after that.
 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Fuzzman on July 25, 2008, 10:46:19 AM
I must admit I've never been a fan of sidebum either but I suppose its just his personality

I suppose they all have annoying attributes in some way

I think both Lyster and O'Rourke have got really fed up with Brolly's constant rudeness of interrupting even when Lyster has directly asked a question to O'Rourke.
I know O'Roourke is dry enough but its only common courtesy to SHUT up and let others speak.

I suppose its just Joe's personality as he's always been the motormouth but it can be annoying when you can't get your own point across with him always butting in.

McHugh has really been the one though who has changed and has just become an annoying little sh*t just to try to copy the Dunphys of this world I believe.
He thinks that if he's more controversial he's become more famous I think.

I'm looking forward to seeing Canavan commenting on his own team this Saturday on TV3

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on July 25, 2008, 11:04:34 AM
Just on Armagh tactics I think.

Neither of them seem to know what armagh's tactics are!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 25, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
Has anyone seen the GAA (regional sport) teletext pages on UTV, they have been advertising the Derry v Dublin AI quarter final at Croke Park on 11th August, Derry having beaten Armagh, Laois and Westmeath (I think) on the way!! WTF
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: AFS on July 25, 2008, 06:52:26 PM
Jesus, did anyone just see the piece that quare fella O'Kane just did on the BBC news there. Cingeworthy. Yer man beside that Miss NI girl definitely wasn't speaking English either.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 25, 2008, 07:35:52 PM
Just to note:

Saturday Sportsound Special from 1455BST on Medium Wave and Online - commentaries from Omagh, Ballybofey and Portlaoise
Sunday Sportsound from 1430 on Medium Wave and Online - commentary on the Ulster Final

incase you didn't know!



As for Thomas Kane...I have to admit he is kind of good looking...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Sam Maguire on July 25, 2008, 07:37:49 PM
Jesus, did anyone just see the piece that quare fella O'Kane just did on the BBC news there. Cingeworthy. Yer man beside that Miss NI girl definitely wasn't speaking English either.

any links to watch this?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 07:47:48 PM
Jesus, did anyone just see the piece that quare fella O'Kane just did on the BBC news there. Cingeworthy. Yer man beside that Miss NI girl definitely wasn't speaking English either.

any links to watch this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsline/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsline/)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 07:52:45 PM
f**k sake, just watched. That's my mate again, that's taking him for a spin around in his car. Jesus Bla!  :o
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 25, 2008, 11:28:39 PM
He's not bad looking ziggy, a daycent hairy chest on him!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 11:31:02 PM
He's not bad looking ziggy, a daycent hairy chest on him!!

Don't let him hear you say that, he'll be saying he took you for a test spin.... whatever that means.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 25, 2008, 11:32:33 PM
Haha.  If only he was a Down fella he would be my dream man!!!  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on July 25, 2008, 11:35:49 PM
As for Thomas Kane...I have to admit he is kind of good looking...


Think he bats for the other side, and I don't mean OWC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 11:36:41 PM
Haha.  If only he was a Down fella he would be my dream man!!!  :D

He's a bad wee fecker downgirl, believe me. The best of a lad, but has an evil streak in him.

We were in erm... sorry had a few drinks in me at the minute and can't remember the name of the bar. You know, the one in Dublin where the woman got knocked up and advertised in the paper and radio looking for the face. Well anyway, we were in there on the eve of the 2005 All-Ireland Final and I was chatting to a rather tasty looking Kerry woman. Who knew such a thing existed. Still, I was being my usual charming self and seemed to be getting on well with her. Bla saw this and came over scratching his nuts. He turned to me, bold as brass in front of the woman and said "Dermot, I've an awful rash on my nuts, you better get yourself checked out by the doctor"

The Kerry woman threw the both of us a dirty look and walked off. Bla fell over laughing and I was in a grumpy feckin' mood the rest of the night! >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Minder on July 25, 2008, 11:37:20 PM
Well you may not like Sidearses commentary but he is a top lad, he has used his "celebrity" to help out our club on plenty of occasions and has probably done more unseen work for his club than a lot of posters on here that pontificate about how much they do. In fact our club had him tortured to compere at various functions we have when he just wants to go and get full and enjoy himself like everyone else but has never refused.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Derry Devil on July 25, 2008, 11:37:39 PM
He's not bad looking ziggy, a daycent hairy chest on him!!

You can't beat a hairy chest!


Think he bats for the other side, and I don't mean OWC.

 :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 11:38:23 PM
As for Thomas Kane...I have to admit he is kind of good looking...


Think he bats for the other side, and I don't mean OWC.

You'd be very interested in the story I wrote after you then Donagh!  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Derry Devil on July 25, 2008, 11:39:14 PM
We were in erm... sorry had a few drinks in me at the minute and can't remember the name of the bar. You know, the one in Dublin where the woman got knocked up and advertised in the paper and radio looking for the face. Well anyway, we were in there on the eve of the 2005 All-Ireland Final and I was chatting to a rather tasty looking Kerry woman. Who knew such a thing existed. Still, I was being my usual charming self and seemed to be getting on well with her. Bla saw this and came over scratching his nuts. He turned to me, bold as brass in front of the woman and said "Dermot, I've an awful rash on my nuts, you better get yourself checked out by the doctor"

The Kerry woman threw the both of us a dirty look and walked off. Bla fell over laughing and I was in a grumpy feckin' mood the rest of the night! >:(

That's a good one :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 11:39:54 PM
I didn't find the funny side at the time. Can laugh about it now though  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on July 25, 2008, 11:50:12 PM
sorry had a few drinks in me at the minute
Do you have a déideadh too?

No, I brush my teeth
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 26, 2008, 12:03:14 AM
He's not bad looking ziggy, a daycent hairy chest on him!!

You can't beat a hairy chest!


Think he bats for the other side, and I don't mean OWC.

 :D


Haha Derry Devil, you are one of the few I know to appreciate a hairy chest!!! Myself and my best friend love hairy chests...you should see her bf he has like the ultimate hairy chest lol my ex had a quare hairy chest as well...just not manly enough with a non hairy chest!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 26, 2008, 12:05:47 AM
Aw thanks Hardstation, glad someone appreciates it  :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Derry Devil on July 26, 2008, 12:09:07 AM
Haha Derry Devil, you are one of the few I know to appreciate a hairy chest!!! Myself and my best friend love hairy chests...you should see her bf he has like the ultimate hairy chest lol my ex had a quare hairy chest as well...just not manly enough with a non hairy chest!!

Although, there is a limit on the amount of hair.....




I like your hairy chest, downgirl.

:D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: downgirl on July 26, 2008, 12:10:50 AM
Yea ok, agree with you there Derry Devil!!  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Derry Devil on July 26, 2008, 12:14:55 AM
That's a pic of hardstation by the way :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Derry Devil on July 26, 2008, 12:40:52 AM
There's only one way to find out :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on July 26, 2008, 12:49:18 AM
Yes there is!! Ill PM you hardstation and let you know how i get on
Title: Is Martin McHugh Don Quixote?
Post by: john mcgill on July 28, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
Listened to Martin McHugh's analysis of Armagh on BBC yesterday and today in the Star he is being paid for what he said yesterday about Armagh paying too much attention to the media.  He should have been gracious enough to see a glass half full and congratulate Armagh on a 7th win in ten years and a worklike performance in great heat.  For the record the Fermanagh manager mentioned that they are written off a lot. 

He also churlishly said that Armagh put too much effort into winning Ulster and not enough into winning the All Ireland. I would love him to explain how you put too much effort in and I bet he wishes that his own county put more effort into winning Ulster. 

I feel that he is tilting at windmills and we need Jarlath to act as his faithful servant and put him right.

Talking to some of his ex team mates on the first Ulster final day, they were less than impressed by his no show at the presentation of the 1983 Donegal team.  He could have joined his ex team mates for ten minutes. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2008, 05:30:44 PM
sidebottom is brutal. bring back jimmy smyth
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: sammymaguire on July 28, 2008, 05:35:38 PM
too right, that plank has more interest in reading out text messages from Bailieborough or Brisbane rather than concentrating on talking about the game... he promised no clichés and then slabbered out a rake of them... get rid!

nice one Take Your Points!! Very good.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 28, 2008, 05:38:03 PM
too right, that plank has more interest in reading out text messages from Bailieborough or Brisbane rather than concentrating on talking about the game...

That shite really sickens my hole.



Over on RTE ye have Tomás Mulcahy or whoever giving insight into the game, on BBC ye have that eejit reading out texts from fecking daisy hill.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hardy on July 28, 2008, 06:04:12 PM
Sidebottom's performance as a commentator has deteriorated to close to the Eddie Moroney level at this stage. But at least Eddie was entertaining. The straining for cliches is embarrassing and how unimaginative is it, never mind local-radio-level parochial, to spend most of the non-action time reading out text messages. He seemed to think it was an enormous achievement to have received 1,500 tests. He also seemed to think he had to read out all of them.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on July 28, 2008, 06:19:19 PM
Jimmy Smyth is 10 times the commentator Sidebottom will ever be. Why doesnt the BBC listen to its viewers??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: 20leg-end08 on July 29, 2008, 12:11:01 AM
The straining for cliches is embarrassing and how unimaginative is it, never mind local-radio-level parochial, to spend most of the non-action time reading out text messages.

Nail on head. Some of the cliches were just cringeworthy in the final replay. Example when Doherty came on for Fermanagh he had two things to say, the first was something about Doherty arriving on the field on a horse ??? and then "They've sent for the doc - what will he prescribe?"

What is the man talking about?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Down Gael on July 29, 2008, 12:13:44 AM
Sidebottom is terrible but he summed the game up perfectly be describing it as a "festival of wides"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: screenexile on July 29, 2008, 12:27:14 AM
Maybe it's just me but watching the coverage of the hurling on Sunday they're panellists and co commentators are as good as I've seen in any sport. Straight talking (albeit with massive bogger accents) with no auld vitriol or nonsense hatred for other teams... they more than know their stuff too and give great analysis of games. Something the BBC should be looking out for is quality lads to give quality analysis, Burns is OK but McHugh has to go. I think Kevin Madden is as good as I've heard this long time!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hardy on July 29, 2008, 07:48:07 AM
The hurling analysts are top class. Michael Duignan is one of the best sports pundits on TV anywhere, but all the panelists are good, always trying to interpret and analyse the tactics and enlighten the viewer. The less said about comparisons with the likes of Carney "very much so, Marty", Davis et al the better.

Two great games of hurling on Sunday. The hurling lads would sicken you with their "greatest game in the world" stuff, but you have to say the hurling championship this year has been streets ahead of the football in quality. For me, that has an awful lot to do with diving, flopping, frees for nothing and frenzied card-waving. Inter-county football is becoming very hard to watch.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Seany on July 29, 2008, 08:11:00 AM
Just watched the match last night again.  Had it taped.  McHugh couldn't even say well done Armagh without moaning that they haven't won more All Irelands.  That point was probably the closest I've ever seen Jarleth actually giving him a deadener.  But he hit him even better with his reply about Donegal who havent even won one Ulster since winning in 1992. And then McHugh saying Armagh put too much effort into the Ulster championship as if the teams who were put out were only going at half pace and were looking forward to the qualifiers.  Such shite.  I don't know how Burns can sit with him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: red hander on July 29, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
Jaysus, Sidearse must be ready to throw the rope up if he's reading this thread ... but let's not get carried away, Jimmy Smyth is no great shakes as a commentator either, even though he's forgotten more about the game than the boul Mark has ever known
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Orior on July 29, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
I think Mark Sidebottom does a reasonable job, considering he had to "fill in" lots of non-playing time. Reading the text messages can be interesting, and probably better than discussing scones like they do in the cricket.

Part of the problem was the lack of insight or analysis by his sidekick on the microphone. Isnt that why he's there?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2008, 01:23:40 PM
. Straight talking (albeit with massive bogger accents) with no auld vitriol or nonsense

What do ya want ya b*****x ? AA Roadwatch and thair "rindabites".?
It's great to hear a few people in the media speaking in normal Irish accents these days.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: screenexile on July 29, 2008, 01:56:57 PM
. Straight talking (albeit with massive bogger accents) with no auld vitriol or nonsense

What do ya want ya b*****x ? AA Roadwatch and thair "rindabites".?
It's great to hear a few people in the media speaking in normal Irish accents these days.



Jees Rossfan I was giving them a compliment. AA Roadwatch? What are you on about? Are you trying to tell me that Duignan and Farrell could be understood by anyone who from outside of Ireland? I doubt it! I can understand them though and at least they have a clue what they're on about unlike Lyons/Carney/ McStay/ Davies!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doogie Browser on July 29, 2008, 10:55:26 PM
Regarding McHugh (may be posted elsewhere also), it seemed like Kevin Madden had a subtle dig at him yesterday in his Irish news columm.  More or less said its time he stepped up to the Donegal job 'never afraid to offer his opinion, maybe he should put some of his theory into practice'   The way it read he def was having a wee pop at Martin.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doogie Browser on July 29, 2008, 11:04:37 PM
Perhaps Martin should have held a mirror up and reflected the comment.........Right back at you, Madden. Please?

If you read the couple of lines it was a dig so maybe Madden has some kind of resentment towards Martin from previous criticism.

Jarlath Burns is shit scared of McHugh everytime they are on together, he was fawning over him on Sunday again putting him in same Free taking bracket as Stafford, McConville and Canavan on All Ireland winning teams.  But wee Martin then made a dick out of Jarlath and said that Bonner and Boyle hit the frees in 1992! he seems to take great pleasure in making Jarlath look stupid.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: 20leg-end08 on July 30, 2008, 02:13:09 AM
McHughs an eejit anyway just looking to be ulster's Pat Spillane.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on July 31, 2008, 12:04:16 PM
Happened to check UTV teletext last night to see if there was any word on Gordons appeal.
On the regional sport page there was nothing about it but there was a page saying Derry were playing the Dubs on Aug 11th in CP & Derry are having a great run beating Armagh, Laois & Mayo so far.....I mean who the fcuk works for these w4nkers ::)

Another headline said Dooher was out injured buy when I tried to go to the page it said it was invalid

Typical good reporting all round
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scud on July 31, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
And then McHugh saying Armagh put too much effort into the Ulster championship as if the teams who were put out were only going at half pace and were looking forward to the qualifiers.  Such shite.  I don't know how Burns can sit with him.

I second that. I think McHugh tries to be controversial, but clearly isn't sharp enough, so he comes up with this illogical bullshit.
Yes, armagh should have concentrated on losing, so as to go straight into the back door. I haven't read his column on a tue in the irish star since i finished fuzzbuzz. Is it still on the go?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 05, 2008, 09:35:35 AM
I listened to Radio Ulster on Sunday and they had the Fermanagh and Kildare match - the matcg was bad but the commentary was embarassing !!! 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 20, 2008, 06:56:30 PM
Interesting to compare the coverage from BBC of the Tyrone match last night compared to Autograss racing tonight. Autograss racing got around 5 times as much air time. They basically called out the Tyrone result last night. Tonight they had coverage from autograss racing and 3 or 4 interviews about it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on August 28, 2008, 02:47:01 PM
Should Tyrone win on Sunday, their All-Ireland final tussle with either Cork or Kerry will also be live on BBC Northern Ireland.

Shane Glynn, Editor of Sport, BBC Northern Ireland, said: "It was always our aspiration to cover Ulster teams in the All-Ireland stages of the Championship.

"But it's a complicated rights situation, involving RTE and Setanta, and we're very appreciative of the efforts that have been made by the GAA, both the Ulster Council and Croke Park, and the other broadcasters to secure live coverage on BBC Northern Ireland of these games for local GAA fans."



Who are jumping on the bandwagon now ??   ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on August 28, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
Good to see the natural order of things has been restored, with Goals Will Come presenting the live Championship coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on August 28, 2008, 07:09:00 PM
Good to see the natural order of things has been restored, with Goals Will Come presenting the live Championship coverage.

how do you mean?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hereiam on August 29, 2008, 09:23:57 AM
Would hardly think its costing them anything to show it. So in other words the BBC have got away without paying anything to the GAA. AGAIN.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Uladh on August 29, 2008, 11:41:30 AM
  Goals Will Come is none other than Jerome Quiinn

yes, i know. amd what?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: JMohan on August 31, 2008, 05:50:58 PM
10 minutes gone, bring back Austin, just about to turn back to Lyster, Brolly and O'Rourke.
Christ I can hardly listen to them ... especially McStay - complete anti-Ulster bias and a very whingy commentator.

I often menat to ask - does Brolly actually train any team or is he involved with anybody?

We know O'Rourke trains the St. Pat's Navan school team - does Brolly do anything?
(Not a swipe at Joe - just interested to know)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Square Ball on August 31, 2008, 08:17:40 PM
10 minutes gone, bring back Austin, just about to turn back to Lyster, Brolly and O'Rourke.
Christ I can hardly listen to them ... especially McStay - complete anti-Ulster bias and a very whingy commentator.

I often menat to ask - does Brolly actually train any team or is he involved with anybody?

We know O'Rourke trains the St. Pat's Navan school team - does Brolly do anything?
(Not a swipe at Joe - just interested to know)

I think Joe is still involved with St Brides in Belfast
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: JMohan on August 31, 2008, 08:28:40 PM
Is that a school or a club?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Square Ball on August 31, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
its a club, they play in Div 1 in Antrim
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on September 02, 2008, 07:55:51 PM
Presume the All-Ireland final will be live on BBC, anyone see confirmation?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on September 02, 2008, 08:00:25 PM
Presume the All-Ireland final will be live on BBC, anyone see confirmation?

Confirmation (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7541277.stm) :)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 27, 2008, 06:28:39 PM
Violence mars Tyrone final win !


That was the headlines on the UTV news which has just been aired.


Not much from them all year and then this.


Typical all the same.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bridgegael on October 27, 2008, 06:34:26 PM
maybe noel mcginn knew that the match wouldn get bbc/utv coverage unless there was a bit of a skirmish at it.  so he took it upon himself to get the match top billing on the sports news-where it should rightly be anyway!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 27, 2008, 06:49:57 PM
BBC has just showed it there as well - the presenter was smiling as he and his poppy told the story of the big row !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bridgegael on October 27, 2008, 06:59:37 PM
steven was looking very smug indeed!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on October 27, 2008, 08:45:22 PM
Much and all as I agree that the unionist establishment like to stick the knife into the GAA wherever possible, what McGinn did was deplorable. If a premiership manager headbutted someone it would be all over the main news.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 27, 2008, 08:53:09 PM
Yes but the premiership match would have on the news anyway. They also would have showed what happened during the match. I thought bbc were out of line tonight. They were making out that this is happening all the time - "yet another big game hit by violence" was said 2 or 3 times. My big problem tonight was that they had footage of the game and showed McGinns headbutt twice but did not show 1 single score from a game watched by over 5000 people. They then went on to show goals from an Irish league game that was covered on Saturday evening and was watched by a few hundred. They were only interested on the negatives from the Tyrone County final. They didnt even have the interest to show a few clips from the game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: glens73 on October 27, 2008, 08:57:15 PM
Yes but the premiership match would have on the news anyway. They also would have showed what happened during the match. I thought bbc were out of line tonight. They were making out that this is happening all the time - "yet another big game hit by violence" was said 2 or 3 times. My big problem tonight was that they had footage of the game and showed McGinns headbutt twice but did not show 1 single score from a game watched by over 5000 people. They then went on to show goals from an Irish league game that was covered on Saturday evening and was watched by a few hundred. They were only interested on the negatives from the Tyrone County final. They didnt even have the interest to show a few clips from the game.

Yes I understand that, it is beyond doubt that so called "reporters" like watson are quick to sink the boot in to the GAA. However, McGinn is to blame for bringing the GAA in to disrepute if he hadn't have used his nut the schmezzole would barely have been mentioned.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 27, 2008, 09:03:33 PM
No criticism of anyone on this thread is allowed apart from UTV and BBC.  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 27, 2008, 09:46:54 PM
I have no problem with the bbc covering the McGinn incident and he was out of line. My problem is how the bbc can justify showing the headbutt twice and ignoring the match totally which was watched by over 5,000 people. It showed a real lack of balance and interest in the sport. I also wish they had have dealt with the incident for what it was instead of going on about it being yet another bad day for the gaa as if this is happening all the time. I can only imagine the coverage a riot in the crowd at a gaa game would get.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: under the bar on October 28, 2008, 08:37:13 AM
Strangely neither BBC nor UTV dwelt quite so much on Neil Best trying to gouge another players eye out.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hardy on October 28, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
Spot on, under the bar. That's the bit that gets me. But it's not confined to the British channels. RTÉ are just as bad. The level of casual thuggery in rugby matches far outweighs anything you'd see in GAA. Eye gouging is commonplace. Stamping is almost expected. Fistfights are laughingly dismissed as "handbags" and "sorting out a little disagreement". And I have no idea how they get those injuries that make their ears look like a more southerly part of the anatomy (and I don't think I want to know). But I've yet to see incidents like these even feature in the post-match analysis on any TV channel, let alone make the six o'clock news.

I suppose I could make a benign interpretation of this and assume that the reason a violent incident in GAA is plastered all over the TV and papers is because it's such a rarity, whereas thuggery in rugby is expected and therefore is not news. But I don't think that's what's going on. I'm not sure what is, though.

I'm all for exposing thuggery in sport, but let it be all sports. Nobody ever bothers to ask the media why they are exhibiting these double standards.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: The GAA on October 28, 2008, 10:23:28 AM
I'm all for exposing thuggery in sport, but let it be all sports.

phew - first time i read that i didn't see the word "exposing"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on October 28, 2008, 10:27:40 AM
Thuggery is seen as acceptable in Rugby, maybe in the same way as it is in boxing but I think its also got to do with the perception that its only a ‘bit of rough and tumble among chaps’ while in GAA its mob violence!
Double standards exist, another example is that rugby jerseys are usually acceptable in bars etc while GAA jerseys are excluded
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tc_manchester on October 29, 2008, 09:56:05 AM
Here's a link to some Irish League attendances - looking at it the average attendance seems to be about 700

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?s=e77fcd1b14bb753bd02133c8d2725fe6&t=104320
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: AFS on October 29, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
Here's a link to some Irish League attendances - looking at it the average attendance seems to be about 700

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?s=e77fcd1b14bb753bd02133c8d2725fe6&t=104320

Take Linfield out and that drops to about 400. But even if you work on the premise that the average is 700, with 6 games per weekend, the average weekly attendance for the entire Irish League still comes in at just over 4000. How the BBC can justify their coverage of these games over GAA games, with in some cases 10 times larger attendances, is beyond me.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 29, 2008, 07:18:10 PM
GAA was the main headline on the sport again tonight on bbc - was also mentioned again on the news headlines. Thats twice in one week - could be a new record. Who says the bbc dont cover the gaa.

Despite hardly showing a score in a club game all year they have now repeated the headbutt at least 5 times on the news. Its also interesting to note that with over 5,000 at the county final on Sunday it would be bigger than the avergae attendance for a full set of Irish League mathces based on the link above.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on October 29, 2008, 07:19:58 PM
See the smirk on Watsons face. He didnt want to end the report on it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
Say all you want about the BBC and UTV - the Irish News ran with it on the back page on Monday, before the scoreline was  mentioned....."DISGRACEFUL scenes at the end of normal time marred Clonoe O’Rahilly’s moment of glory yesterday afternoon following their magnificent one-point extra-time win over St Dympna’s, Dromore in the Tyrone senior county final."
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 29, 2008, 07:33:51 PM
At least the Irish News would have covered the game anyway. They also gave a report of the game unlike BBC who didnt even show 1 score even though it was the headline on the sport news.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: 5 Sams on October 31, 2008, 03:11:46 PM
Fair play to Brolly.....had a pop at Winker in the Gaelic Life today....quote..

"The BBC's Stephen Watson pored over the footage on Wednesday night, before revealing to the viewers the unprincipled information that Noel was the principal of a primary school. He might have added "these GAA sorts are absolute savages."

Unquote
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tkeitdwn on October 31, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
livin in Belfast when i go on the RTE sport website says video s can only be watched in the island of Ireland, and wont play for me.??? Where does RTE think Belfast is ?? a bit of free state bias me thinks.

Has anyone else had this problem / or know any solutions ? >:( >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 31, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
Your ISP is a British provider and like mine, thinks I'm accessing the internet from Maidenshead (sp?)

You need to access it via an Irish Proxy. I don't know any, but I'm sure someone can.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 31, 2008, 04:56:27 PM
Fair play to Brolly.....had a pop at Winker in the Gaelic Life today....quote..

"The BBC's Stephen Watson pored over the footage on Wednesday night, before revealing to the viewers the unprincipled information that Noel was the principal of a primary school. He might have added "these GAA sorts are absolute savages."

Unquote

Watson is a ------------------ !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on October 31, 2008, 04:57:12 PM
Fair play to Brolly.....had a pop at Winker in the Gaelic Life today....quote..

"The BBC's Stephen Watson pored over the footage on Wednesday night, before revealing to the viewers the unprincipled information that Noel was the principal of a primary school. He might have added "these GAA sorts are absolute savages."

Unquote

Watson is a ------------------ !

So are his employers !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on October 31, 2008, 04:59:05 PM
Ah now, Goals will come did his best and then he got demoted to BBC NI Sports Online.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 03, 2008, 05:51:23 PM
I've a feeling the ulster club will be mentioned. My guess is bbc will focus on the Clonoe game and the suspended players playing - focusing on the gaa rule book. I caught their sports coverage 3 nights last week. On Monday and Wednesday it was all about the Clonoe Dromore game as discussed previously with the coverage solely focusing on the headbutts (which were shown 4 or 5 times) and no coverage of the game. On Thursday night they had a big bit about the Donegal managerial process and what a joke it was. No mention of the international rules game the next morning in which their was an ulster captain as well as numerous other ulster players involved. It will be interesting to see if their negative coverage of the gaa continues tonight.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on November 03, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
ziggy just out of interest and not disagreeing but what exactly did goals will come do?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Yes I Would on November 03, 2008, 06:56:05 PM
Bitter bastards
Not a mention
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on November 03, 2008, 07:00:27 PM
Holy feck. The bbc didn’t even mention the club games! Not one of them. They had steven Watson in cork for the setanta cup final, linfield goals and of course david Jeffrey, motorbikes, a report on wendy bloody hooverbag, and nothing at all on any of the 3 club games. Not even Clonoe, after all the reports last week on them, now they totally ignore them. So it was news last week but not this week. How can they justify that? It really is time something was done about this. Otherwise they’ll just continue to treat gaa like this. The arrogance of it. I’m stunned! I wonder will they not bother doing Linfield next week just when they feel like it.

Could not believe that on BBC, some young fella at motocross crap and cricket even squeezed in.
What was the combined attendances at the weekend?
Some people here complain for very little but that was a proper disgrace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 03, 2008, 07:04:04 PM
ziggy just out of interest and not disagreeing but what exactly did goals will come do?

He was the Head of Sports for BBC NI. He went to the BBC NI to tried and increase their GAA coverage. Inter-county and Club football and hurling. Not just 'cause we have to' reporting at the end of the news, but meaningful stuff.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:12:10 PM
Wanted to see a bitta Ulster club action,watched both BBC and UTV and there wasnt a mention,they showed Setanta soccer,Lewis Hamilton,Irish cricket,Cyclingetc..but no GAAH!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 03, 2008, 07:15:26 PM
Wanted to see a bitta Ulster club action,watched both BBC and UTV and there wasnt a mention,they showed Setanta soccer,Lewis Hamilton,Irish cricket,Cyclingetc..but no GAAH!!!

Aye... why the hell was Lewis Hamilton on local sport?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 03, 2008, 07:26:17 PM
No coverage was better than what was on offer last week. Last week they had the cheek to show the headbutt 4 or 5 times but not one single second from the match. I was shocked on Thursday night when they had a big story about the way the Donegal County Board had handled appointing a new manager. Talk about focusing on the negatives of the game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: imtommygunn on November 03, 2008, 08:32:36 PM
to be fair they've stepped it up on the radio

are there different people in charge of tv and radio sports? i guess so?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Two Hands FFS on November 03, 2008, 08:48:55 PM
Seeing that smug f**ker Watson sitting there made my blood boil. Although we should give them the benefit of the doubt until tomorrow night as it might be on then. Sure the BBC didnt have any action of the Ulster club hurling final AFAIK...I could be wrong on this

Stephen Watson = W**ker
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 08:53:08 PM
Seeing that smug f**ker Watson sitting there made my blood boil. Although we should give them the benefit of the doubt until tomorrow night as it might be on then. Sure the BBC didnt have any action of the Ulster club hurling final AFAIK...I could be wrong on this

Stephen Watson = W**ker

I saw footage of it somewhere, was maybe TG4 the next night though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 03, 2008, 09:14:14 PM
When you see the BBC shower all sitting around with poppies, it is clear that they are unprofessional, as a true professional wouldn't exhibit their political prejudices at work. The manner of the GAA coverage is a further exhibition of their views. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on November 03, 2008, 09:20:17 PM
When you see the BBC shower all sitting around with poppies, it is clear that they are unprofessional, as a true professional wouldn't exhibit their political prejudices at work. The manner of the GAA coverage is a further exhibition of their views. 
The poppy is irrelevant. It's BBC policy. It has nothing to do with the professionalism of those in the BBC and adds nothing to our argument for GAA coverage.





But whilst we're slightly off topic, i once served Watson in a restaurant, back in the days when i was a waiter. He didn't tip.  >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 03, 2008, 11:35:02 PM
A crowd of bitter bastards - I'm getting tired saying this - it's about time something was done about it.

Cricket, motorbike racing, formula 1, soccer - not a mention of the GAA - shower of c***ts !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: wherefromreferee? on November 04, 2008, 09:08:38 AM
A crowd of bitter b**tards - I'm getting tired saying this - it's about time something was done about it.

Cricket, motorbike racing, formula 1, soccer - not a mention of the GAA - shower of c***ts !

Here Here.  Even managed to annoy her indoors by asking to turn it over from Hollyoaks for a minute to I catch the GAA highlights from the Ulster Club championship games at the weekend.  She was fierce annoyed I can tell ye!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Teachtaire on November 04, 2008, 09:16:53 AM
What's the craic in Tyrone? Logy must be well got even if he does go on holidays with "his" boys - Norn Iron soccer team. I see from the IN that he's doing fear a' tí at the awards dinner at the weekend along with yer woman Joanne Cantwell from RTE. Would the good people of Tyrone not raise the imbalance of coverage afforded to GAA with Logy when he's within their sights?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 04, 2008, 09:22:09 AM
What's the craic in Tyrone? Logy must be well got even if he does go on holidays with "his" boys - Norn Iron soccer team. I see from the IN that he's doing fear a' tí at the awards dinner at the weekend along with yer woman Joanne Cantwell from RTE. Would the good people of Tyrone not raise the imbalance of coverage afforded to GAA with Logy when he's within their sights?


This issue has been raised with Logie directly and in turn he has brought it to the attention of the UTV authorities - guess what their response is ??

Logie is now serving his notice and is being made redundant !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Teachtaire on November 04, 2008, 09:38:12 AM
Didnt know that Logie was getting the shove.

Sorry to hear that because say what you like, he was good at what he did.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: The GAA on November 04, 2008, 10:53:49 AM

I notice that according to utv, antrim "winger" karl stewart is the 2008 ulster hurler of the year.

surely deliberate at this stage?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on November 04, 2008, 10:57:54 AM
what can be done folks?

paddy heaney tried a while back to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps its time to have another go, even for everyone to use the same letter throw it in an envelope and put it in the post, just a different name at the bottom, just to bombard them, id say there are people here from the majority of clubs in ulster and know those that arnt represented!

thoughts?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: The GAA on November 04, 2008, 11:00:11 AM

utv teletext are obviously taking the piss
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tyrone86 on November 04, 2008, 11:03:06 AM

I notice that according to utv, antrim "winger" karl stewart is the 2008 ulster hurler of the year.

surely deliberate at this stage?

Funny enough I thought the same thing when I saw it........



But apparently it's true enough, Karl Stewart is indeed Ulster Hurler of the Year
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: JohnDenver on November 04, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
I see there wasn't much mention of Liam Kearney the Cork player being struck in the face with a missile after being substituted during the Cork Glentoran Setanta cup final on Saturday evening.

No doubt if a player had been hit by something thrown from the crowd at a football or hurling match we would be hearing and seeing all about it on our local news.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on November 04, 2008, 11:44:23 AM

I notice that according to utv, antrim "winger" karl stewart is the 2008 ulster hurler of the year.

surely deliberate at this stage?

Funny enough I thought the same thing when I saw it........



But apparently it's true enough, Karl Stewart is indeed Ulster Hurler of the Year

 :D :D

what can be done folks?

paddy heaney tried a while back to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps its time to have another go, even for everyone to use the same letter throw it in an envelope and put it in the post, just a different name at the bottom, just to bombard them, id say there are people here from the majority of clubs in ulster and know those that arnt represented!

thoughts?

As for this, I think it would be a great idea, minimal effort maximum impact.  If you pen the letter I'm sure everyone would print it and send it.

(PS if you dont know how to pen a letter see the "How to pen a letter of complaint" thread  ;D)

Go for it!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Zapatista on November 04, 2008, 11:48:55 AM
Send a letter to their sponsors saying you refuse to watch UTV sports reports and you are starting a campaign among the GAA to boycott it and watch BBC instead. Highlight the huge GAA following. With the amount of lay offs in UTV it might even worry them a little.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: billy the kid on November 04, 2008, 11:51:57 AM
what can be done folks?

paddy heaney tried a while back to start a letter writing campaign, perhaps its time to have another go, even for everyone to use the same letter throw it in an envelope and put it in the post, just a different name at the bottom, just to bombard them, id say there are people here from the majority of clubs in ulster and know those that arnt represented!

thoughts?

Great Idea think every right minded gael should be on for this.

Them BBC c**ts and UTV B*****ds need to learn that we wont be treated like second class citezens anymore GAA has a much larger following and membership in the six counties than Rugby, Soccer, moto Gp, Hockey and what ever else bullshit prod sports they can think of all combined.

The time to act is now.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 04, 2008, 11:52:51 AM
Send a letter to their sponsors saying you refuse to watch UTV sports reports and you are starting a campaign among the GAA to boycott it and watch BBC instead. Highlight the huge GAA following. With the amount of lay offs in UTV it might even worry them a little.


Good idea - but they would need about 10,000 letters sent - can we arrange this ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on November 04, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
Im sure if everyone could get one or two ppl to do it and they got one or two people...

Something needs to be done, they are taking the piss at this stage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Zapatista on November 04, 2008, 12:09:54 PM
Send a letter to their sponsors saying you refuse to watch UTV sports reports and you are starting a campaign among the GAA to boycott it and watch BBC instead. Highlight the huge GAA following. With the amount of lay offs in UTV it might even worry them a little.


Good idea - but they would need about 10,000 letters sent - can we arrange this ?

I don't think it would take that much. UTV sports online are sponsored by First Active. If an online campaign among the GAA is done we can put pressure on First Active to negotiate a better price or with draw. GAA fans are usually sports fans in General and online GAA fans would make up 50% of UTV sports online readers. If we ask for GAA fans to use BBC sports online I'd say they would. It could all be done on GAA forums and a letter to a few GAA papers and magazines. The fact that UTV are a private company would mean they would have to act rather than BBC who could take the hit no problem.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doire abú on November 04, 2008, 12:22:32 PM
Not sure if its already been mentioned, but did anyone hear BBC Radio Ulster's 2pm news on Sunday? They had only one item in the sports section and it was.....about England getting beat by 50 odd points by Australia in the ****in Rugby League world cup.

Not a word about the three Ulster club championship games starting in half an hours time!!

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Zapatista on November 04, 2008, 12:29:07 PM
Put a sticky thread up to ask for the boycott of UTV online sports refering them by link to BBC online for all local and national sports coverage. Ask people to sign in support quoteing the number of your post in sequence. One post per person. The opening post should contain reasons for the boycott. This can be copied on all GAA related sights. There are plenty of places other than UTV to get sports news so it shouldn't be too hard to fill the void if we all agree that UTV are acting the maggot.

I honestly think we are too small to make any impact on the BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: armaghniac on November 04, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Someone needs to record these programs or get them from the web and time the various elements within them. Perhaps a comparison can be drawn with coverage of local sport in Scotland or elsewhere e.g. the Shinty Intl might get mentioned by BBC Scotland but not by BBC NI.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: scalder on November 04, 2008, 02:26:12 PM
Folks, what you need to indentify is some channel that they can’t ignore, some complaints procedure something that would involve them putting in significant resources and time into dealing with it. Tie them up in knots. The GAA and its supporters are being discriminated against, they are treating them as second class citizens, feck it lads a lot of people suffered so that being Irish would not mean you were discriminated against in the 6 counties. Institutionalised racism still exists, you either smash these institutions or take control of them – or I suppose smash the statelet. I suppose it’s a lesson for those ‘nationalists’ who are comfy in the North nowadays that they’ll never have real equality while the sectarian northern state exists!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on November 04, 2008, 02:49:35 PM
sideline i would write it surely, but as mentioned since i think that it needs to be a factual letter not just a 'im pissed off letter' if we can get an archive of facts and grievances i would write it, though perhaps there are better qualified here to do so, also with respect to bbc and utv i think the letters should all go in written fromat (not email) to the one person at the very top! (lads and lassies think shawshank redemption) i also believe there enough people here who know enough people who hold office on club and county committees to seriously put pressure on both the bbc and utv

facts ie - attendance figures, playing figures, viewing figures, examples of bias (obviously if these are attainable-i know attendances arnt easily come by for irish league games)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: billy the kid on November 04, 2008, 05:07:03 PM
sideline i would write it surely, but as mentioned since i think that it needs to be a factual letter not just a 'im pissed off letter' if we can get an archive of facts and grievances i would write it, though perhaps there are better qualified here to do so, also with respect to bbc and utv i think the letters should all go in written fromat (not email) to the one person at the very top! (lads and lassies think shawshank redemption) i also believe there enough people here who know enough people who hold office on club and county committees to seriously put pressure on both the bbc and utv

facts ie - attendance figures, playing figures, viewing figures, examples of bias (obviously if these are attainable-i know attendances arnt easily come by for irish league games)
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Wonder if this has anything to do with the fact most games struggle to attract more than 200 unless they are playing Linfield or glentoran to a lesser extent. There are also many games who struggle to attract even 100 but there will always be cameras from the BBC and UTV there regardless.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on November 04, 2008, 05:12:57 PM
http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?s=e77fcd1b14bb753bd02133c8d2725fe6&t=104320 (http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?s=e77fcd1b14bb753bd02133c8d2725fe6&t=104320)

Taken from thread re the irish league attendances. Its a start!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: lfdown2 on November 04, 2008, 06:00:55 PM
yep it is! saved
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 04, 2008, 07:35:35 PM
UTV have at least 2 or 3 articles a week describing players as wingers - no one is safe from being decscribed as a winger. I got sick highlighting it. Think they are taking the p iss. They probably know they have to have some form of gaa coverage to keep them right so they make a token effort at it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bainisteoir on November 05, 2008, 05:52:50 PM
See your man glynn alot on the train going to and from work.. Only realized the other week who it was. He's gonna get a mouthful one of these days soon!! Maybe one of those Fridays when ya get on the train blocked after a half day lol
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: feetofflames on November 06, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
Lads lads lads
a wise old bitch once told me "he who writes the news gets to tell the story."
The days of objectivity are over.  Goddammit they were boring anyhow.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 06, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
Lads lads lads
a wise old bitch once told me "he who writes the news gets to tell the story."
The days of objectivity are over.  Goddammit they were boring anyhow.

Very true.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 07, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
There was nothing in the Irish News off the fence column. Did nobody write in or do they not put in letters like that? Either way newsline is getting off the hook which even more of a disgrace than monday's newsline showing no gaelic in preference to surfing and cycling.

By that, logic would conclude, neither did you.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on November 07, 2008, 04:53:04 PM
Enjoyed Logie's piece on Rory Gallagher. Images of cousin Raymie taking free on left boot, then close up of Kieran Donnelly and then finally Rory taking free with right. At least he squeezed it in I suppose.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 07, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
Cuthbert Donnelly told Logie last night on UTV last night that he has been known to take Sam to bed with him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 10, 2008, 11:00:02 PM
I see the gaa was back on the bbc tonight. They showed one pointed free from the Cross game. Their main focus was on the admission prices to ulster club games and how fans were complaining about it being to dear. They didnt even give out the Cross score. Thats 4 times in the last 2 weeks Ive watched the gaa on  bbc newsline and every time it has had a negative slant. If any of the gaa writers would do a bit of research into their coverage they could have a field day. Ignoring matches and focusing on negative issues is out of order.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 10, 2008, 11:05:13 PM
In fairness to them, the admission price issue was and is a big story at the moment, last weeks off the fence highlighted that, plus look at the debate generated on here by the prices.  I don't think it was a negative report tonight per se, more of an even sided presentation of the facts.  Also most people in Cross interviewed didn't mind the prices, they are all loaded down there!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 11, 2008, 12:18:53 AM
Well said TYP
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 11, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I see the gaa was back on the bbc tonight. They showed one pointed free from the Cross game. Their main focus was on the admission prices to ulster club games and how fans were complaining about it being to dear. They didnt even give out the Cross score. Thats 4 times in the last 2 weeks Ive watched the gaa on  bbc newsline and every time it has had a negative slant. If any of the gaa writers would do a bit of research into their coverage they could have a field day. Ignoring matches and focusing on negative issues is out of order.

Check out the posts on this Board, at least 85% are negative about some aspect of the GAA, the BBC is just reflecting the whining and sensationalist nature of the posters on this Board!

And their coverage of soccer reflects OWC and other soccer forums in the same way. So why the big fuss?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on November 11, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
I still can't get over Shane used Greencastle as an example of the extensive GAA coverage from last year. They showed very little, two minutes worth and it wasn't tara.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 17, 2008, 06:29:02 PM
After not having enough time this last few weeks to show any ulster club coverage, my guess is the gaa will be back on bbc tonight!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 17, 2008, 06:29:21 PM
GAA drug abuse case is headlines on UTV sport. Back to Gaelic later for coverage of Cross and Ulster Club and Rossa's All-Ireland camogie title.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: southoftheborder on November 17, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
if we think the bbc utv have an agenda with the gaa, should we take this to the ulster council to possibly question y this is, and if there is not a satisfactory answer, barr interviews and reports completely from the 2channels, y should we let them pick and choose
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on November 17, 2008, 07:31:33 PM
Typical UTV shite tonight again.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 17, 2008, 08:18:53 PM
Didnt think the coverage was as bad tonight. There was better balance to it. As I've said before I dont mind the bbc or utv covering negative stories as long as they are prepared to show coverage of the games as well. Tonight BBC showed some action from the ulster clubs games which was maybe a 1st this year.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: AFS on November 28, 2008, 03:43:41 AM
I just read offthefence in the irish news and a cracking letter about radio ulster. it was about their saturday programme which is available now on their Listen Again feature and it has to be heard to be believed. To save you searching throught he rubbish, ie, the irish league, for 3 and three-quarter hours (honestly), go straight to the last 15 minutes when they interview Martin McHugh. It seems they interview him every Saturday at this time and some irish league type asks him some pre-prepared questions about issues of the week. The first one was priceless - 'so Martin, what about Derry's aidan o'mahony?' the mchugh interview smacks of tokenism, just get wee martin on the phone there and sure that's our wee bit of gaelic. tokenism or what. they would have been better making an effort to get an interview with some other gaa person like jane adams or dessie farrell, I mean we've kind of heard mchugh before, but that would have taken effort, which all went into the rest of the programme. they gave a few mccrory results but didn't explain what they meant and they never mentioned the rannafast final which got the biggest crowd of the day. as for trillick, sorry lads, not a mention on the show, nor anywhere on ceefax, online or even on monday morning. good ole bbc and public SERVICE broadcasting. the fella who wrote in was right - one rule for one (the irish league), another rule for the gaa.

In fairness, I'd prefer 4 hours of Irish League and not to have to listen to thon eejit at all.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Donagh on November 30, 2008, 01:35:51 AM
Dear Mr xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you for your recent letter requesting information about the volume, cost and audience figures for BBCNI television and radio coverage of Gaelic Football, Hurling, Soccer, Rugby and Motorcycling.

The information which you have requested about the volume and cost of specific aspects of BBCNI’s sports output is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Schedule 1 of the Act states that the BBC and other designated public service broadcasters are covered by this legislation only in respect of information held for purposes “other than those of journalism, art and literature”. Information which is not subject to disclosure because of this derogation may otherwise be exempt from disclosure because of the application of other provisions of the Act.

The BBC receives audience data about television viewing in the UK under an agreement with the Broadcasters’ Audience Research Board (BARB) for which the BBC pays an annual subscription. Under the terms of this agreement, the BBC is entitled to use such information for its own internal purposes and may make this data more widely available in specific circumstances. Although we consider that the Act does not apply to audience data, the BBC does have a working practice (consistent with other broadcasting organisations and the terms
of its contractual agreement with BARB) of releasing some headline performance information. We will not be releasing such information or any accompanying analysis on this occasion.
Audience figures for radio listening across the UK are collated by Rajar and are subject to analogous contractual constraints. We believe that such information is not covered by the Act and will not be making it voluntarily available in response to this request.

Following discussions with colleagues however, and consistent with established practice at local level, BBCNI is prepared to voluntarily release information about the volume and range of its current sports output. The nature, extent and profile of our sports coverage is directly affected by issues relating to rights acquisition, funding constraints, market provision and the BBC’s service commitments as a whole. All of our output is delivered within the context of the BBC’s Charter and Framework Agreement and also the terms of its Service Licences and
Purpose Remits. Sports programming is an essential and prominent feature of our service offering across radio, television and online and we work hard to ensure that it reflects a broad cross-section of interests and activities.

BBC Radio Ulster broadcasts 41 Saturday Sportsound programmes each year. Much of this output focuses on Irish League soccer and includes full match commentaries from 41 fixtures. In 06/07 the station also provided live coverage of 8 Setanta Cup matches involving Irish League teams and 6 European games featuring local clubs. Its programming additionally included 8 international matches involving the Northern Ireland soccer team. Such output was
complemented by dedicated sports programming on BBC Foyle and its coverage of Derry City’s performance in the Eircom League. BBCNI also provided extensive coverage of the Milk Cup in Coleraine and soccer (together with the other sports referred to in your request) featured in news and related programming on local television and radio.

BBC Radio Ulster broadcast live match commentaries form 36 Gaelic Football matches on Sunday Sportsound and dedicated medium wave split programmes. Such programming included inter-county and club games, the National Football League and All-Ireland Club Championships. Our radio coverage was complemented by programming on BBCNI television which included highlights of the Hurling Final and live coverage of the MacRory Cup.
BBC Radio Ulster provided live coverage of Ulster team fixtures as part of the Magners League and Heiniken Cup, together with live match commentaries and analysis of fixtures involving the Ireland rugby team. The latter included 8 matches within the review period.

BBCNI television additionally provided coverage of the Magners League, Schools’ Cup and Ireland A v England A matches.
BBCNI television provided a mix of programming about motorcycling which included coverage of the Isle of Man TT, the Ulster Grand Prix and fixtures at Tandragee, Cookstown and Antrim.

Yours sincerely
Mark Adair
Head of Public Policy, Corporate and Community Affairs


That's pretty much the exact same I got from them over a year ago in response to an FOI request - probably posted on this thread somewhere.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Frankie Boy on November 30, 2008, 01:40:20 AM
God. Youse do some whinging in this wee bit of the board.lol
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: bailestil on December 01, 2008, 06:59:09 PM
The bbc had to be taking the piss tonight. Missed the ballinderry cross game yday hoping to see at least some decent coverage of the game. More fool me for expecting more. Instead we got a camera behind one of the corner flags. Literally the flag being in the way. Which meant u could just about catch niall mccusker's goal out of the corner of the screen. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: FermPundit on December 01, 2008, 07:05:18 PM
The bbc had to be taking the piss tonight. Missed the ballinderry cross game yday hoping to see at least some decent coverage of the game. More fool me for expecting more. Instead we got a camera behind one of the corner flags. Literally the flag being in the way. Which meant u could just about catch niall mccusker's goal out of the corner of the screen. 

UTV had some great coverage tonight of the Ulster final. I may have missed the start of the sport but I'm nearly sure there was no Irish league football covered. Am I right? World cup draw, Ulster rugby and Ulster club final were all covered.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Oakleafer1993 on December 01, 2008, 07:18:41 PM
bailestil check out the TG4 website - you can watch recorded games online.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on December 09, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
Tyrone PRO slams BBC
09 December 2008


Tyrone PRO Damien Harvey has criticised the BBC over its decision to give preference to coverage of Irish League soccer over last September’s All-Ireland minor football final replay.

Tyrone defeated Mayo in the replay at Pearse Park, Longford, but much to Harvey’s disgust, it wasn’t covered live on BBC radio or television.

"A senior person involved in managing BBC radio sports coverage told me he ’could not justify coverage of the replay, as it would mean that I would have to drop Irish League coverage’," Harvey said.

"The same gentleman had the option to split FM and MW coverage and put the All-Ireland final on live, but he chose not to do so."

Harvey is disappointed that the broadcaster has no plans to increase its GAA coverage next year.

"In 2009, the BBC will provide FM quality broadcasting for soccer and rugby. On Sundays, the (GAA) National League will be broadcast on MW, but no provision is being made (by the BBC) for games on Saturday nights."
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on December 09, 2008, 12:27:39 PM
Shocked??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: zoyler on December 09, 2008, 02:32:54 PM
BTW I believe recent staff changes and retirements have further reduced any likelyhood of decent GAA coverage from the BEEP.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on December 09, 2008, 02:39:18 PM
BTW I believe recent staff changes and retirements have further reduced any likelyhood of decent GAA coverage from the BEEP.

Maybe they'll be shamed into showing a bit more GAA ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: FermGael on December 26, 2008, 06:17:53 PM
What's the chance of BBC or UTV showing the crowd trouble from today's match between Linfield and Glentoran on the news?
Can't see it myself
But could you imagine if this happened at a Gaa match ::)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7798168.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7798168.stm)
Quote
Play was held up for seven minutes as trouble flared between rival fans during the Boxing Day derby between Linfield and Glentoran at Windsor Park.

With 20 minutes remaining, seats were ripped out and used as missiles and fireworks were also hurled between the Kop stand and the south stand.

Linfield were 3-0 up at that stage thanks to two goals from Glenn Ferguson and one from Damien Curran.

However, they finished the match a man down as Robert Garrett was sent-off.

The results moves the champions to within two points of leaders Glentoran and David Jeffrey's men have a game in hand on their east Belfast rivals.

Striker Ferguson pounced on a mistake to drill in the opener in the ninth minute and he made it 2-0 just before half-time with a deflected effort.

Glentoran, who have never won a Christmas derby at Windsor Park, were dead and buried when Damien Curran volleyed in on 61 minutes.

Curran netted with a fine left-foot effort from 25 yards.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 26, 2008, 06:19:04 PM
What's the chance of BBC or UTV showing the crowd trouble from today's match between Linfield and Glentoran on the news?
Can't see it myself
But could you imagine if this happened at a Gaa match ::)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7798168.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/7798168.stm)
Quote
Play was held up for seven minutes as trouble flared between rival fans during the Boxing Day derby between Linfield and Glentoran at Windsor Park.

With 20 minutes remaining, seats were ripped out and used as missiles and fireworks were also hurled between the Kop stand and the south stand.

Linfield were 3-0 up at that stage thanks to two goals from Glenn Ferguson and one from Damien Curran.

However, they finished the match a man down as Robert Garrett was sent-off.

The results moves the champions to within two points of leaders Glentoran and David Jeffrey's men have a game in hand on their east Belfast rivals.

Striker Ferguson pounced on a mistake to drill in the opener in the ninth minute and he made it 2-0 just before half-time with a deflected effort.

Glentoran, who have never won a Christmas derby at Windsor Park, were dead and buried when Damien Curran volleyed in on 61 minutes.

Curran netted with a fine left-foot effort from 25 yards.



I'd say they will show it to be honest. Or at least refer to it if they don't have footage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on December 26, 2008, 06:20:35 PM
Yeah, i've seen numerous Linfield/Glentoran rows on BBC/UTV over the years. I'd be surprised if it wasn't shown.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on December 27, 2008, 11:29:33 AM
Not much mention of it - it must be commonplace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 27, 2008, 01:07:23 PM
Seen coverage of it on the evening news yesterday and it was a main news headline on bbc ni news on teletext. Do you want them interrupt programming to cut live to Windsor?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tyrones own on December 27, 2008, 04:24:21 PM
I do see that it was all Glentoran fans fault, Linfield fans behaved impeccably  ::)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/irish/7800652.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: imtommygunn on January 01, 2009, 08:53:10 PM
BBC NI headline...

"Hurling stick gang steal car"

Maybe it's just me but not sure why they have highlighted the fact that there's a hurling stick involved. I'd have thought the main story was the car theft.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 01, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
It's a five-word headline which fairly accurately reflects the story. If the gang had used a gun, would the report have represented discrimination against country sports ? Let's not leave ourselves open to parody here.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: the milkman on January 01, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
BBC NI headline...

"Hurling stick gang steal car"

Maybe it's just me but not sure why they have highlighted the fact that there's a hurling stick involved. I'd have thought the main story was the car theft.


I agree, i doubt they would have a headline saying " Hockey stick gang steal car"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: cville on January 01, 2009, 10:38:38 PM
You Twat ...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 02, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
BBC NI headline...

"Hurling stick gang steal car"

Maybe it's just me but not sure why they have highlighted the fact that there's a hurling stick involved. I'd have thought the main story was the car theft.


I agree, i doubt they would have a headline saying " Hockey stick gang steal car"
I initially thought it was strange but then you do always see headlines about baseball bat wielding thugs. Maybe they should report these stories as involving "a wooden sporting bat".
Title: McKenna Cup
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 03, 2009, 08:44:28 PM
Have to say well done to the BBC for live scores on their website throughout the match tonight.













The Magners League that is. Come on Ulster!

And live commentary too; http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_4700000/newsid_4706600/4706616.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2

Thank heavens for Jim Neilly.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hoof Hearted on January 06, 2009, 12:47:24 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

dont be daft, sure there was no boxing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Bensars on January 06, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
There was some coverage of the Fermanagh V Derry game  on one of them.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: cornerback on January 06, 2009, 01:44:56 PM
BBC ran with the kyle coney story, no mention of the mckenna cup

Didn't see UTV but heard that they had coverage of derry fermanagh.  Dunno what else, if anything, they showed/mentioned.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: tonesfirstandlast on January 06, 2009, 02:04:03 PM
Talking about BBC, did any of you read the Sh@@e trhat McHugh was writing today?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

UTV did a bit. BBC mentioned Coney but Watson couldn't bring himself to mention the McKenna cup. Heaps about the rugby and some 17/19 year old runner from ENGLAND ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: wherefromreferee? on January 06, 2009, 04:19:32 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

UTV did a bit. BBC mentioned Coney but Watson couldn't bring himself to mention the McKenna cup. Heaps about the rugby and some 17/19 year old runner from ENGLAND ::)

Correct - the next Paula Radcliffe apparently  :-\

BBC had coney as top story and UTV showed mayb 6 scores from the Fermanagh Derry game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on January 06, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

UTV did a bit. BBC mentioned Coney but Watson couldn't bring himself to mention the McKenna cup. Heaps about the rugby and some 17/19 year old runner from ENGLAND ::)

Correct - the next Paula Radcliffe apparently
  :-\

BBC had coney as top story and UTV showed mayb 6 scores from the Fermanagh Derry game.

What, pisses in the street? You could find loads of them any Friday or Saturday night!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: wherefromreferee? on January 06, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
Anyone else notice that Darren Gibson (Man Utd goalscorer at the weekend) was from Londonderry on one channel and Derry on the other?  Can't mind which was which.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 06, 2009, 04:25:51 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

UTV did a bit. BBC mentioned Coney but Watson couldn't bring himself to mention the McKenna cup. Heaps about the rugby and some 17/19 year old runner from ENGLAND ::)

Correct - the next Paula Radcliffe apparently  :-\

BBC had coney as top story and UTV showed mayb 6 scores from the Fermanagh Derry game.

I thought the rugby was top story Wherefromreferee.


EDIT: sorry SLK  :-*
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: SidelineKick on January 06, 2009, 04:26:56 PM
was there any mckenna cup on utv or bbc last night from the weekend new rules and stuff?

UTV did a bit. BBC mentioned Coney but Watson couldn't bring himself to mention the McKenna cup. Heaps about the rugby and some 17/19 year old runner from ENGLAND ::)

Correct - the next Paula Radcliffe apparently  :-\

BBC had coney as top story and UTV showed mayb 6 scores from the Fermanagh Derry game.

I thought the rugby was top story Sidelinekick.

 :-X wasn't me that said it!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: wherefromreferee? on January 06, 2009, 04:32:57 PM
Apologies, you could be right.  Was rugby top story on both sides then?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on January 06, 2009, 05:04:27 PM
RTÉ didn't even manage the scores on the news bulletin i saw - after saying it was a busy day for GAA! They did have some short feature with Meath Ref D Coldrick (i think his name is) about the implementation of the new rules, but nothing in terms of scores.
They comprehensively covered the cross channel soccer however.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 07, 2009, 12:23:17 AM
An interesting angle from Damian Harvey, Tyrone County Board PRO, in his convention report.


"At this point I would like to make it clear to delegates that there are serious issues that need to be addressed at a senior level within the BBC. It is my opinion that their coverage of Gaelic games is sporadic at best. The Monday after the Ulster Club quarter finals no mention were made of them on BBC Newsline. In a recent telephone conversation with a senior person involved in managing BBC Sports coverage I was told that he “could not justify providing live coverage of the All Ireland Minor final replay”, as it would mean that he would have to drop Irish League coverage. This same gentleman had the option to split FM and MW coverage and put the All Ireland Minor Final replay on live but he refused to do so. In an age when Radio and TV is increasingly moving to digital, the Radio Ulster GAA commentary team find themselves marooned on MW. In 2009 the BBC will provide FM quality broadcasting for soccer and rugby on a Saturday. On a Sunday the National League will be broadcast on MW with no plans to
cover any game played on a Saturday night. This can no longer be acceptable and I would appeal to the many thousand GAA people who are forced to pay their licence to make their thoughts known."
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2009, 04:20:34 PM
Are the BBC or UTV doing anything special to celebrate the 125 years of the GAA?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on January 11, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
Good updates on the bbc website for the mckenna cup today again i see  ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ExiledGael on January 11, 2009, 05:09:03 PM
Good updates on the bbc website for the mckenna cup today again i see  ::)

At least you can find out all the McKenna Cup scores and some of the small reports are up already. Credit where it's due to BBC.
Have you tried finding anything from RTE? They're a complete joke.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on January 11, 2009, 05:26:08 PM
Good updates on the bbc website for the mckenna cup today again i see  ::)

At least you can find out all the McKenna Cup scores and some of the small reports are up already. Credit where it's due to BBC.
Have you tried finding anything from RTE? They're a complete joke.

Exactly.
What are you talking about Stiffler? There are results up for all of the McKenna Cup matches and match reports up for 4 of them. There were also previews up for all games.
You have to make a real effort and go through Aertel to get anything on the RTÉ site.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Hardy on January 11, 2009, 05:49:20 PM
Never mind RTÉ, BBC or ITV - try finding results on gaa.ie. You might as well be looking on Al Jazeera.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2009, 05:54:37 PM
Never mind RTÉ, BBC or ITV - try finding results on gaa.ie. You might as well be looking on Al Jazeera.

 :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on January 11, 2009, 11:54:31 PM
Good updates on the bbc website for the mckenna cup today again i see  ::)

At least you can find out all the McKenna Cup scores and some of the small reports are up already. Credit where it's due to BBC.
Have you tried finding anything from RTE? They're a complete joke.

Exactly.
What are you talking about Stiffler? There are results up for all of the McKenna Cup matches and match reports up for 4 of them. There were also previews up for all games.
You have to make a real effort and go through Aertel to get anything on the RTÉ site.


What am i talking about?

I checked the bbc website during the games and there was no updates of scores from the mckenna cup games. Im sure it would not have been to hard for them to send 1 reporter to each ground that hosted a game on sunday, simply to update the latest scores, team line ups from each game.

Do you work for them or something? you seem to defend them alot ]. Sorry for my point of view  ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 12, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
Also the BBC text service for regional sport had no McKenna cup scores updated, and then last night had only one report, Down v Tyrone, yet had every single other page devoted to IFA soccer matches from Saturday reports and scores!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: ziggysego on January 12, 2009, 11:50:51 AM
Sure last night I looked at the report of the Down -v- Tyrone game on Ceefax and at the top of the page it said RUGBY UNION!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2009, 11:55:27 AM
Jesus lads it is a glorified pre season tournament, settle down.........
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: full back on January 12, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Wouldnt worry too much about it either lads as it is only a tournament after all
I would be more concerned about Teletext which is listing Dublin playing Derry in Croke Park  ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on January 12, 2009, 01:03:10 PM
Wouldnt worry too much about it either lads as it is only a tournament after all
I would be more concerned about Teletext which is listing Dublin playing Derry in Croke Park  ???


That report has been on UTV for nearly a year now!  ::)

Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on January 12, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
Good updates on the bbc website for the mckenna cup today again i see  ::)

At least you can find out all the McKenna Cup scores and some of the small reports are up already. Credit where it's due to BBC.
Have you tried finding anything from RTE? They're a complete joke.

Exactly.
What are you talking about Stiffler? There are results up for all of the McKenna Cup matches and match reports up for 4 of them. There were also previews up for all games.
You have to make a real effort and go through Aertel to get anything on the RTÉ site.


What am i talking about?

I checked the bbc website during the games and there was no updates of scores from the mckenna cup games. Im sure it would not have been to hard for them to send 1 reporter to each ground that hosted a game on sunday, simply to update the latest scores, team line ups from each game.

Do you work for them or something? you seem to defend them alot ]. Sorry for my point of view  ::)
I don't work for them. My point is that BBC are really no worse that any of the other broadcasters, including RTÉ, yet they seem to be the easy target. I do agree that BBC could do better, especially in relation to their GAA content on Newsline, with its constant focus on the negative aspects, but their online coverage is spot-on.

I think that to expect a match-tracker for the McKenna Cup is taking it a bit too far. If you need to keep up to date, tune in to local online radio stations (e.g. northernsound.ie). Despite your complaint, BBC online is generally the first website to have results (and reports) for games involving Ulster teams.

You have to pick your fights. Negative coverage on Newsline is one. Poor league coverage on the radio and Championship on the TV may be another. Constant online updates on a McKenna Cup game isn't.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on January 12, 2009, 06:44:58 PM


I don't work for them. My point is that BBC are really no worse that any of the other broadcasters, including RTÉ, yet they seem to be the easy target. I do agree that BBC could do better, especially in relation to their GAA content on Newsline, with its constant focus on the negative aspects, but their online coverage is spot-on.

I think that to expect a match-tracker for the McKenna Cup is taking it a bit too far. If you need to keep up to date, tune in to local online radio stations (e.g. northernsound.ie). Despite your complaint, BBC online is generally the first website to have results (and reports) for games involving Ulster teams.

You have to pick your fights. Negative coverage on Newsline is one. Poor league coverage on the radio and Championship on the TV may be another. Constant online updates on a McKenna Cup game isn't.





Fair enough, BBC is no worse than utv or rte, but as the McKenna cup involves 6 counties and 3 universities from Northern ireland i would expect them to have move coverage than that of rte, which is based in dublin as you know.

Also we pay a licence fee to BBC, as you agree their overall coverage is not up to scratch, i cant see why u attack me for pointing out that their coverage of the mckenna cup was useless.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 12, 2009, 09:20:39 PM
The southern stations (with the exception of tg4) gaa coverage is crap too from October to April.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on January 12, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
In fairness, I thought TV3's live coverage wasn't bad. Considering it was their first year. Was still miles ahead of RTE.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: cville on January 12, 2009, 11:32:31 PM
In fairness, I thought TV3's live coverage wasn't bad. Considering it was their first year. Was still miles ahead of RTE.

You would think that TG4 would do their coverage in English. Why, oh why, do they persist with Irish? Absolute disgrace that a station that has established themselves to such an extent can provide Irish language commentary. Wise up TG4! You will lose your licence if you keep this up!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: tyrone86 on January 12, 2009, 11:38:14 PM

You would think that TG4 would do their coverage in English. Why, oh why, do they persist with Irish? Absolute disgrace that a station that has established themselves to such an extent can provide Irish language commentary. Wise up TG4! You will lose your licence if you keep this up!

 :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: Maguire01 on January 13, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Fair enough, BBC is no worse than utv or rte, but as the McKenna cup involves 6 counties and 3 universities from Northern ireland i would expect them to have move coverage than that of rte, which is based in dublin as you know.

Also we pay a licence fee to BBC, as you agree their overall coverage is not up to scratch, i cant see why u attack me for pointing out that their coverage of the mckenna cup was useless.
The McKenna Cup is a pre-season tournament that isn't even taken that seriously by some of he teams involved. My point is that you can't expect the BBC to cover it in the same depth as the league or championship. Their coverage of the McKenna Cup was not useless - that's my point - they had full-time scores at the end of the match and reports up shortly afterwards. What more do you want for the McKenna Cup?

Compare BBC's coverage of the McKenna Cup with RTÉ's coverage of the O'Byrne Cup then, if you want to compare like with like. The BBC will still come out on top. And RTÉ shouldn't be ignoring the McKenna Cup just because 9 of the teams in it are from NI.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: stiffler on January 13, 2009, 08:16:49 PM
Fair enough, BBC is no worse than utv or rte, but as the McKenna cup involves 6 counties and 3 universities from Northern ireland i would expect them to have move coverage than that of rte, which is based in dublin as you know.

Also we pay a licence fee to BBC, as you agree their overall coverage is not up to scratch, i cant see why u attack me for pointing out that their coverage of the mckenna cup was useless.
The McKenna Cup is a pre-season tournament that isn't even taken that seriously by some of he teams involved. My point is that you can't expect the BBC to cover it in the same depth as the league or championship. Their coverage of the McKenna Cup was not useless - that's my point - they had full-time scores at the end of the match and reports up shortly afterwards. What more do you want for the McKenna Cup?

Compare BBC's coverage of the McKenna Cup with RTÉ's coverage of the O'Byrne Cup then, if you want to compare like with like. The BBC will still come out on top. And RTÉ shouldn't be ignoring the McKenna Cup just because 9 of the teams in it are from NI.

Ok we can agree to disagree...you think that the BBCs coverage of the mckenna cup is adequate, i don't.

I don't expect the bbc to show the same depth of coverage to the mckenna as to the league or championship....where did i mention that?? i dont' think it would be hard of the bbc's resources to send 1 reporter to each game, and text in score by score. I don't believe that this goes beyond what should be expected for your licence fee.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 14, 2009, 12:38:32 AM

You would think that TG4 would do their coverage in English. Why, oh why, do they persist with Irish? Absolute disgrace that a station that has established themselves to such an extent can provide Irish language commentary. Wise up TG4! You will lose your licence if you keep this up!

 :D
It's not a laughing matter. I got banned for making comments like that.

 :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 18, 2009, 08:21:13 PM
The headline on utv sport is currently "McGinley shoots Tyrone to cup glory". Wonder does the writer realise Tyrone got knocked out today. In the article you also learn that Monaghan winger Thomas Freeman scored 10 points.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: AFS on January 18, 2009, 08:34:00 PM
The headline on utv sport is currently "McGinley shoots Tyrone to cup glory". Wonder does the writer realise Tyrone got knocked out today. In the article you also learn that Monaghan winger Thomas Freeman scored 10 points.

They've got it right on the website but apparently Armagh won last night  :-\ ::)

http://www3.u.tv/news/GeneralSport/index.asp?id=41945&sel2=1&sel=2&local=1
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on January 18, 2009, 09:30:42 PM
They've fixed the Tyrone headline.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 18, 2009, 10:02:19 PM
Its still up on teletext, thats were I read it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: robertemmet on January 19, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
Does anyone know what games are on Setanta?  Dublin v Tyrone and what others
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on January 19, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Saturday games are on Setanta. Sunday games are on TG4.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: robertemmet on January 19, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Aye but which game are on saturdays?

Is it only Div1 games that are on Setanta?

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on January 19, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/page/allianz_gaa_football_national_league_2009.html (http://www.gaa.ie/page/allianz_gaa_football_national_league_2009.html)

http://www.gaa.ie/page/allianz_gaa_hurling_national_league_2009.html (http://www.gaa.ie/page/allianz_gaa_hurling_national_league_2009.html)

Don't think the matches for TV has been announced yet.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: laoisgaa on January 19, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
Setanta Ireland confirmed GAA coverage, January-March
Date Fixture Coverage
Sat, January 31 NFL: Dublin v Tyrone LIVE
Sat, February 14 NHL: Tipperary v Cork LIVE
Sat, February 14 NFL: Game TBC deferred
Sat, March 7 NFL: Tyrone v Galway LIVE
Sat, March 7 NFL: Meath v Laois deferred
Sat, March 14 NFL: Dublin v Derry LIVE
Sat, March 14 NFL: Laois v Cork deferred
Sat, March 28 NFL: Tyrone v Derry LIVE
Sat, March 28 NFL: Down v Offaly deferred
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on January 19, 2009, 11:14:12 PM
Was watching the BBC News at lunchtime today. Sarah Travers said that All-Ireland Champions Tyrone won their first game of 2009 against Monaghan on Sunday....

Really? First game you say.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on January 19, 2009, 11:24:08 PM
Maybe she means we're going to bate Monaghan a rake of times this year!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: wherefromreferee? on January 20, 2009, 09:45:24 AM
To be fair to the BBC, the coverage of the McKenna Cup has been fine.  Showed a couple of scores from the Tyrone game and interviewed Harte, SoN and Monaghan trainer/coach, Marty whatshisname.  Don't think we can ask for more in mid Jan.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2009, 01:25:10 PM
To be fair to the BBC, the coverage of the McKenna Cup has been fine.  Showed a couple of scores from the Tyrone game and interviewed Harte, SoN and Monaghan trainer/coach, Marty whatshisname.  Don't think we can ask for more in mid Jan.

Have to agree with that. Jerome has been fairly active this past week. However spot the McKenna Cup final preview on this page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on January 24, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
and here!

http://www.rte.ie/sport/index.html
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2009, 03:16:12 PM
Or here?  :D

http://ulster.gaa.ie/
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on January 24, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Or here

http://www.donegalgaa.ie/ (http://www.donegalgaa.ie/)

or here

http://www.queensgaa.ie/ (http://www.queensgaa.ie/)


 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: AFS on February 02, 2009, 02:42:13 AM
FFS! How incompetent, lazy or both can you get?


Wexford 2-9 3-12 Armagh

Ryan Henderson scored three goals as Armagh staged a revival to beat Wexford by 10 points in Sunday's Allianz Division Two opener.

Two early goals had Armagh in command but Wexford battled back to enjoy a 2-8 to 2-3 interval advantage.

Armagh suffered a blow when forward Ronan Clarke was yellow-carded and had to be replaced under the new rules.

But the Ulster side, beaten by Wexford in the All-Ireland quarter-finals last August, pulled away for a big win.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7863762.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on February 02, 2009, 01:37:31 PM
Has been fixed now i see.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 11, 2009, 06:41:20 PM
Caught some weekly sports round up thing there on RTE - think its aimed at young people. They discussed both the rugby this Sunday and Ireland match tonight and world cup fever etc. There was no mention of the gaa. RTE only pay lip service to gaa for most of the year and seem to spend a lot of time building up other sports. This was highlighted when they announced at the sports awards that Munster NZ got the biggest viewing figures of the year even though in reality it was the all ireland finals.

 I also think that the gaa needs to promote its games better. A repeat of the All Ireland football final is taking place on Sunday in Omagh. There's also loads of other top matches in both football and hurling this weekend. More effort should be made to make the general public aware of these games and make them appealing to them. I actually think the whole season needs to be redesigned. Does it make sense that the majority of games played by counties during the year are seen as meaningless by many fans?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on February 11, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
(e.g. the Dr. McKenna cup a few years ago which attracted crowds of near 20,000 for games)

To be fair, that was a one-off between Tyrone and Armagh when both were at their peak. No other McKenna Cup game has come close - not even for finals.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 11, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
Caught some weekly sports round up thing there on RTE - think its aimed at young people. They discussed both the rugby this Sunday and Ireland match tonight and world cup fever etc. There was no mention of the gaa. RTE only pay lip service to gaa for most of the year and seem to spend a lot of time building up other sports. This was highlighted when they announced at the sports awards that Munster NZ got the biggest viewing figures of the year even though in reality it was the all ireland finals.

 I also think that the gaa needs to promote its games better. A repeat of the All Ireland football final is taking place on Sunday in Omagh. There's also loads of other top matches in both football and hurling this weekend. More effort should be made to make the general public aware of these games and make them appealing to them. I actually think the whole season needs to be redesigned. Does it make sense that the majority of games played by counties during the year are seen as meaningless by many fans?
You would have to see (a) why many fans see such competitions as meaningless and (b) how you would be able to redesign the intercounty season to have more meaningful fixtures without impacting further on just as meaningful club competitions. Crowds of 80,000 for league openers under floodlights in Croke Park can show that when it gets itself in gear the GAA can do the marketing of its games well and one-offs or something that doesn't have a long lifespan (e.g. the Dr. McKenna cup a few years ago which attracted crowds of near 20,000 for games) the GAA right now appears to be good at. However stretching it over the course of an entire national league campaign is going to be much tougher and would require more resources.

As regards RTÉ, when the next round of bidding comes along for rights to show championship games, it needs to be made clear that it won't have a guaranteed majority of championship games to show, with the possibility of only having a small number of games they would have the rights to show (like TV3 now have) or even the sacrilege idea of them losing the rights completely. While many would be up in arms, it would surely be the boot up the arse the public broadcaster deserves.

Probably the wrong thread but I have suggested one way of changing the season which I will out line below. Its only a rough idea but I think we need to think of better ways to get people interested from earlier in the year:

. Link the league and championship and split the championship into an A championship and B championship.
. Have 2 groups of 8 in the A championship and the same in b). There are a lot of teams who simply arent in a position to compete with the top teams.
. Each team plays each other once with the top four qualifying for the quarter finals with 1st in group 1 playing 4th in group 2 etc.
. Start the B championship earlier. This would mean that the winners of the B championship could have a playoff with one of the 4th placed teams for a quarter final place. Meaning every team in Ireland still has a chance of winning the All Ireland.
. Each team plays 3 home and 3 away games. Have a huge advertising blitz early in the year. Season tickets for home games and for all games will be available through clubs at reasonable prices and with oap/children tickets available. These will have 1st choice on quarter final tickets and on.
. Each team plays 1 neutral match possibly in Croke Park. Say have a few big Croke Park Weekends with double headers on Saturday and Sundays.
. Possibly organise the groups on a geographical basis so that there will be plenty of derbies and bigger crowds.
. There would be relegation/promotion each year between championships.
. Possibly have the provincial championships as a warm up.
. Start the championship in March/April. Matches will be played once every 2 weeks. Every other week will be set aside for club games with county players and there will be no exceptions. Club players need more games than once every 2 weeks so something would have to be considered here. Still think this would be better for clubs than the current situation.

This would be a huge shift from current situation and I'm not saying its the best way forward. But really think it makes no sense currently for most counties to only start playing meaningful games in July even though the season commences in January. Also think it could lead to a better structured season for clubs. Should also mean nearly every county match is important. The traditionalists would probably hate this idea!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on February 12, 2009, 11:49:53 AM
I'm a traditionalist.  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 13, 2009, 06:59:01 PM
Watching the sports news tonight again showed the poor promotion the national leagues get on TV. To be fair to RTE they did have a preview of the all ireland intermediate and junior finals focusing on the 2 Kerry teams. But they didnt mention the 1st hurling game under floodlights in Thurles or a repeat of the All Ireland football final on Sunday. Surely these were worthy of mention. They had a preview of the rugby, a look at the current financial situation of Chelsea football club and sailing. BBC had rugby, biking, an interview with a Crusaders player and then at end mentioned Tyrone game was on radio on Sunday followed by Stevie saying the rugby was on radio and tv and he'd look forward to it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on February 13, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
I gave up watching the BBC Sport TD. Nothing but lip service.

In fairness to UTV though, they had a good interview with Jordan about the lead up to Sunday's game. Little mention of the rest of the games though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redcard on February 14, 2009, 01:19:47 AM
you could always complain ziggy like these people

BBC Northern Ireland, Sport scheduling, 15 June 2008
Publication date: 16 June 2008
Complaint

We received complaints from viewers in Northern Ireland who were unhappy that the coverage from the Artois Championships at Queen's Club concluded early on BBCNI in order to show an alternative sporting event.

The BBC's response

BBC Northern Ireland aims to provide audiences with a diverse range of sports output, which includes a mix of local and network programming. Unfortunately the fixture dates for external events occasionally coincide which means we sometimes have to make difficult scheduling decisions. We try to minimise the disruption caused to our audience and in this particular instance we moved away from the network schedule to provide coverage from the GAA's Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final at Breffni Park, a fixture that involved Cavan and Armagh.

We accept that some viewers would have wanted to continue watching events at Queen's Club and we used an on-air announcement and accompanying screen captions to indicate that the tennis coverage could be accessed on the digital platforms and online at bbc.co.uk/sport. We realise not every viewer will have been able to obtain these services and we apologise for any inconvenience caused. It was unavoidable in the circumstances and resulted from scheduling decisions that were outside our control. Our GAA coverage attracted increased viewing figures in Northern Ireland (the audience more than doubled) and was delivered as part of an enhanced BBC commitment to programming in this area.

We work hard to balance region-specific and network elements within the schedules on BBCNI and our local output is produced in line with the Charter and Service Licence requirements. In seeking to reflect the diversity of community life and experience, the scheduling of local programmes can sometimes displace network output. This reflects the constraints of analogue television, but the wider availability of BBC services on digital platforms means viewers are increasingly able to access other BBC network or regional schedules as an alternative to BBCNI programming.

Shane Glynn Editor - BBCNI Sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/response/2008/06/080630_res_ni_sport.shtml
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Post by: ziggysego on February 14, 2009, 01:45:20 AM
Enhanced BBC committment to programming in this area?

Try getting the feed for free from RTE.
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Post by: Maguire01 on February 14, 2009, 09:22:41 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0213/nflpreviews.html

Have to say, very poor of RTÉ to only preview the Division 1 and 2 games. You'd think that given the length of the previews they could stick up something for the other 8 games in 3 and 4.
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 14, 2009, 09:27:14 PM
you could always complain ziggy like these people

BBC Northern Ireland, Sport scheduling, 15 June 2008
Publication date: 16 June 2008
Complaint

We received complaints from viewers in Northern Ireland who were unhappy that the coverage from the Artois Championships at Queen's Club concluded early on BBCNI in order to show an alternative sporting event.

The BBC's response

BBC Northern Ireland aims to provide audiences with a diverse range of sports output, which includes a mix of local and network programming. Unfortunately the fixture dates for external events occasionally coincide which means we sometimes have to make difficult scheduling decisions. We try to minimise the disruption caused to our audience and in this particular instance we moved away from the network schedule to provide coverage from the GAA's Ulster Senior Football Championship Quarter Final at Breffni Park, a fixture that involved Cavan and Armagh.

We accept that some viewers would have wanted to continue watching events at Queen's Club and we used an on-air announcement and accompanying screen captions to indicate that the tennis coverage could be accessed on the digital platforms and online at bbc.co.uk/sport. We realise not every viewer will have been able to obtain these services and we apologise for any inconvenience caused. It was unavoidable in the circumstances and resulted from scheduling decisions that were outside our control. Our GAA coverage attracted increased viewing figures in Northern Ireland (the audience more than doubled) and was delivered as part of an enhanced BBC commitment to programming in this area.

We work hard to balance region-specific and network elements within the schedules on BBCNI and our local output is produced in line with the Charter and Service Licence requirements. In seeking to reflect the diversity of community life and experience, the scheduling of local programmes can sometimes displace network output. This reflects the constraints of analogue television, but the wider availability of BBC services on digital platforms means viewers are increasingly able to access other BBC network or regional schedules as an alternative to BBCNI programming.

Shane Glynn Editor - BBCNI Sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/response/2008/06/080630_res_ni_sport.shtml

Did they not use poor viewing figures as a reason for not having little or no coverage of the championship in the past?
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Post by: bridgegael on February 15, 2009, 11:11:00 AM
think it was 2fm last night lads.  but giving out the scores from the evenings matches,  they said the '2009 cork hurling team' and then whoever they were playing.  is it not just cork??
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Post by: fred the red on February 16, 2009, 06:24:50 PM
Interesting to see what coverage the gaa will get on newsline tonight.
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Post by: Maguire01 on February 16, 2009, 09:17:21 PM
Very poor is the answer. Plenty of coverage of the visit of Glentoran players to Healy Park and clips of the 2 Kerry goals. I can't even remember them giving out the result. A small showing of the handbags at the end, although this was played down. They didn't show McMenemin hitting on Galvin though (although maybe they'll keep it for a slow news night during the week).

No mention of any of the other Ulster counties, but plenty of highlights of soccer played in empty grounds.
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 16, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
There was over 11,000 in Omagh - I'd say that wouldnt be far away from the combined Irish league attendances from the weekend.
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Post by: ziggysego on February 16, 2009, 09:52:37 PM
There was over 11,000 in Omagh - I'd say that wouldnt be far away from the combined Irish league attendances from the weekend.

More people came up from Kerry than probably went to Irish League games.
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Post by: AFS on February 16, 2009, 10:37:41 PM
Very poor is the answer. Plenty of coverage of the visit of Glentoran players to Healy Park and clips of the 2 Kerry goals. I can't even remember them giving out the result. A small showing of the handbags at the end, although this was played down. They didn't show McMenemin hitting on Galvin though (although maybe they'll keep it for a slow news night during the week).

No mention of any of the other Ulster counties, but plenty of highlights of soccer played in empty grounds.

That's because they didn't. Not a mention of the other 5 North of Ireland counties either. Nor the hurling. Nor the McRory Cup.
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Post by: Donagh on February 16, 2009, 11:34:28 PM
There was over 11,000 in Omagh - I'd say that wouldnt be far away from the combined Irish league attendances from the weekend.

You're kidding aren't you? That's more than the combined Irish league attendances for the year so far.
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Post by: T O Hare on February 17, 2009, 12:45:36 AM
The coverage they give to soccer is laughable.. It annoys you to see an interview with Paul Kirk or Saturday evening with Jackies weekly chat with Davy J who always has the same answers "we knew it was going to be tough etc and singing praise on the legend that is Spike" >:( >:(
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Post by: fred the red on February 17, 2009, 05:59:36 PM
Very poor is the answer. Plenty of coverage of the visit of Glentoran players to Healy Park and clips of the 2 Kerry goals. I can't even remember them giving out the result. A small showing of the handbags at the end, although this was played down. They didn't show McMenemin hitting on Galvin though (although maybe they'll keep it for a slow news night during the week).

No mention of any of the other Ulster counties, but plenty of highlights of soccer played in empty grounds.

That's because they didn't. Not a mention of the other 5 North of Ireland counties either. Nor the hurling. Nor the McRory Cup.


Impartial reporting? i think not.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: AFS on February 17, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
I half expected them to have a few clips this evening, that they'd saved up because they were maybe a bit short on time yesterday with the rugby, etc. But silly me for being so optimistic  :-\

That means, of the ten league games in both football and hurling this weekend involving the six counties, which cumulatively attracted in excess of 30000 spectators, they showed a grand total of 3 scores (and two of them were by Kerry FFS).

Piss poor effort. But at least we've been well informed that there's some event on in Donard with a load of English lads riding their bikes over dead trees.  ::)
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Post by: Maguire01 on February 17, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
But at least we've been well informed that there's some event on in Donard with a load of English lads riding their bikes over dead trees.  ::)
:D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on February 17, 2009, 09:40:41 PM
People defended the beeb over their coverage of the McKenna cup, but their coverage for the national league has been placid at best.


Is there anywhere that shows the amount of coverage each local sport receives on our regional station?


Does anyone believe the Beeb are appeasing their licence payers?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on February 17, 2009, 11:22:13 PM
People defended the beeb over their coverage of the McKenna cup, but their coverage for the national league has been placid at best.


Is there anywhere that shows the amount of coverage each local sport receives on our regional station?


Does anyone believe the Beeb are appeasing their licence payers?

Donagh tried to get this information off the BBC under the Freedom of Information Act. They weren't forecoming with the information and just ran off a bit of spin.

Even on the radio, Shane used my club as an example of the coverage the BBC provided. I chuckled at that one.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: glens73 on February 22, 2009, 06:13:12 PM
6 week ban for McMenamin which UTV focus on more than Cushendall's unlucky but great effort today.

They even showed Ricey's grope on Galvin 3 times!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 22, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
At least they have some info on Cross up on teletext. There's quotes from "all star winger" Oisin McConville.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on February 22, 2009, 06:25:01 PM
At least they have some info on Cross up on teletext. There's quotes from "all star winger" Oisin McConville.


Can someone enlighten me what a winger is? is this a derogratory term?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on February 22, 2009, 06:43:09 PM
It is when there's a 'h' in it. Otherwise it has no meaning in Gaelic Football. I presume this is now an 'in' joke at UTV.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:09:47 AM
I was just checking the BBC Sports NI main page and this is the header for Season Ticket.

What's next on Season Ticket
Season Ticket will be back for another short run in March with boxing, rugby, horse racing and football all featured.

Where's the GAA?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on February 23, 2009, 12:20:24 AM
We all know what the BBC refer football to and it isn't football.
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Post by: orangeman on February 27, 2009, 09:04:09 AM
I see Danny Murphy giving the media a bit of a touch in his report to the Ulster Council meeting.


Fair play Danny.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doogie Browser on February 28, 2009, 03:57:47 PM
Some suit from UTV has hit back at Danny Murphy in todays Irish News, did you all not know they had cameras in Tyrone on the Friday before and the Monday after the All ireland, so there.  End of.  Well done UTV.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on February 28, 2009, 04:46:02 PM
Yeah it was the head of news and content Rob Morrision. He was suprised that there was negative comments from Danny Murphy about UTV's gaa coverage. He said UTV's commitment to gaa sport has increased dramatically in the past season. They commit a significant amount of investment to gaelic games and even sent camera's to Tyrone 2 nights in a row for All Ireland coverage. They also had Mickey Harte on from the stormount event for 30 seconds were he was asked who would win the Ireland France rugby game. He makes some good points I suppose - it cant be cheap sending crews around Europe after NI and Ulster so we should be glad there is any budget left for the gaa. Dont forget there is also a great teletext service available on their channel where there is usually an article up about some gaa winger or another each night.
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Post by: Feckitt on March 03, 2009, 02:13:32 PM
UTV's latest Teletext update.

Crossmaglen Hope for International Glory

Northern Ireland Champions Crossmaglen play Republic Champions Kilmacrud Cokes on St Patrick's Day.
Ger's skipper John Donnellson hopes that star winger Oisin McConville can rattle the onion bag for the border outfit,
and bring the cup back to the province.  Former Glenavon star McConville is current top scorer.  Kick off at 3.00pm
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Post by: Uladh on March 03, 2009, 02:20:44 PM
Jesus Christ. That's brutal.

I was reading last night about antrim winger neil mcmanus too
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Post by: 5 Sams on March 03, 2009, 02:37:07 PM
UTV's latest Teletext update.

Crossmaglen Hope for International Glory

Northern Ireland Champions Crossmaglen play Republic Champions Kilmacrud Cokes on St Patrick's Day.
Ger's skipper John Donnellson hopes that star winger Oisin McConville can rattle the onion bag for the border outfit,
and bring the cup back to the province.  Former Glenavon star McConville is current top scorer.  Kick off at 3.00pm


 :D :D Don't be giving them any ideas Feckitt
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Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 03, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
:D :D Don't be giving them any ideas Feckitt

I thought it an improvement on their usual fare!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 06, 2009, 01:51:37 PM
So, just for comparison of 'breaking news', the BBC website had the McMenemin appeal outcome published at 13.21. Half an hour later, still no sign on RTÉ. Nothing on UTV either, but you wouldn't expect there to be.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 06, 2009, 04:43:43 PM
RTÉ at 14.48. On the ball!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Donagh on March 06, 2009, 07:06:00 PM
Anyone see that muck on BBCNI news this evening? A good full five minutes on the quarter final of some soccer match and an ex-NI boy being appointed to some soccer club, followed up by a quick rugby report. The came the GAA the total report consisting of "the GAA national league starts back this weekend with a full round of fixtures. The big game is Derry versus Kerry. That's your sport for the day". Wankers. 
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Post by: ExiledGael on March 06, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
Logie lead off with the GAA on UTV featuring an interview with Cassidy and a few scores from the NFl final last year. Credit where it's due for a change but BBC's efforts were pathetic today.
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
No worse than RTE who didnt mention gaa either. They had few minutes about doping in horse racing,start of league of Ireland,athletics etc. There gaa coverage October-April is terrible. They give the English premiership a lot more coverage in those months. BBC obviously thought they had to mention the gaa and thats literally all they did. There'll be thousands up and down ulster at games this weekend and their coverage certainly doesnt reflect that.
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Post by: Double Cross on March 06, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
Anyone see that muck on BBCNI news this evening? A good full five minutes on the quarter final of some soccer match and an ex-NI boy being appointed to some soccer club, followed up by a quick rugby report. The came the GAA the total report consisting of "the GAA national league starts back this weekend with a full round of fixtures. The big game is Derry versus Kerry. That's your sport for the day". w**kers. 

I couldn't believe that this evening, this weekends GAA coverage summed up by the BBC in one line.
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Post by: AFS on March 06, 2009, 08:44:43 PM
Here's a perfect snapshot of how the GAA is treated as the poor relation of other sports in the north by the BBC:

The two reports from the MacRory Cup semi-finals:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7903598.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7924998.stm

Both reports approx. 150 words, with one stock photo, and no team line-outs.

The two reports from the School's Cup semi-finals:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/irish/7921866.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/irish/7924370.stm

Both reports approx. 300 words, with over 11 minutes of highlight clips, and team line-outs complete with substitutions, etc.


Its not a level playing field  :( ::)
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Post by: ziggysego on March 06, 2009, 08:55:53 PM
Jaysus, that's some difference in coverage AFS.  :o
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:56:08 PM
A couple of weeks ago on their Saturday results they had coverage from both schools rugby quarter finals that day and an interview. They then read out the result from the MacRory semi final.
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Post by: AFS on March 06, 2009, 09:00:58 PM
Yeah the rugby semi finals are not the only matches they've had highlights for. They've sent cameras to a number of School's Cup matches.

Have any of the MacRory Cup matches been covered?

Probably no BBC executives with kids playing in the MacRory Cup  ::)
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Post by: Minder on March 06, 2009, 09:15:50 PM
Why does everyone get so upset? It isnt going to change. RTE is as big a culprit as the BBC, RTE have shown very little interest in the NFL for one reason, they dont show the games at this stage. Its like Sky Sports, as they are not allowed coverage of the Euros or World Cups they basically pretend the tournamnets are not taking place, which is difficult with a 24hr Sports News channel. Anyone that needs to get their Gaa fix from RTE, UTV or the BBC is barking up the wrong tree. There is more than enough on the old interweb to satisfy everyone.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: AFS on March 06, 2009, 09:40:31 PM
Why does everyone get so upset? It isnt going to change. RTE is as big a culprit as the BBC, RTE have shown very little interest in the NFL for one reason, they dont show the games at this stage. Its like Sky Sports, as they are not allowed coverage of the Euros or World Cups they basically pretend the tournamnets are not taking place, which is difficult with a 24hr Sports News channel. Anyone that needs to get their Gaa fix from RTE, UTV or the BBC is barking up the wrong tree. There is more than enough on the old interweb to satisfy everyone.

But there are no rights issues with something like the MacRory Cup yet they makes no effort to give it any coverage, but the directly comparable School's Cup gets very well treated with cameras, reporters, etc. sent to matches. Why does this disparity exist? Its a question that needs to be put to the BBC.
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Post by: Lovely Hurling on March 10, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Bless the girl on radio ulster on monday morning who told us to go to their website if we wanted to know the hurling results from the previous day. What a great service. Does anyone have a copy of PTG in the Star on Sunday about gaa coverage?
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Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on March 10, 2009, 12:20:16 PM
Bless the girl on radio ulster on monday morning who told us to go to their website if we wanted to know the hurling results from the previous day. What a great service. Does anyone have a copy of PTG in the Star on Sunday about gaa coverage?


Could someone please post this report.
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Post by: The GAA on March 10, 2009, 12:40:19 PM

Must post my thanks to bbc for their score updates on teletxt on sat evening. very prompt and a whole lot better than the crap rte service
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Post by: passedit on March 10, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
Thomas Kane is calling with us tomorrow to film the usual BBC intro for the MacRory Cup final production.

I wonder who will be the commentary team for the final in Healy Park, the home of Omagh St Endas.

Perhaps you would prefer Charlie Witherspoon? How many times did he make it to the MacRory finalists in the week of the game?
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Post by: ONeill on March 15, 2009, 08:02:40 PM
Devastating news at 6.30 today on UTV when they announced that Tyrone had lost ("defeats for Donegal, Fermanagh, Monaghan and Tyrone"). Gutted.
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Post by: milltown row on March 15, 2009, 08:04:20 PM
was a cracking finish, fair play to both teams. watched it "live" after the kildare game
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2009, 04:33:17 PM
Why does everyone get so upset? It isnt going to change. RTE is as big a culprit as the BBC, RTE have shown very little interest in the NFL for one reason, they dont show the games at this stage. Its like Sky Sports, as they are not allowed coverage of the Euros or World Cups they basically pretend the tournamnets are not taking place, which is difficult with a 24hr Sports News channel. Anyone that needs to get their Gaa fix from RTE, UTV or the BBC is barking up the wrong tree. There is more than enough on the old interweb to satisfy everyone.

But there are no rights issues with something like the MacRory Cup yet they makes no effort to give it any coverage, but the directly comparable School's Cup gets very well treated with cameras, reporters, etc. sent to matches. Why does this disparity exist? Its a question that needs to be put to the BBC.

Disgraceful scenes at the end of the schools game today, young lads puckin the heads off each other, ref copping out with yellow cards. Expect Twatson to go to town on this tonight. Oh wait.
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Post by: Maguire01 on March 17, 2009, 06:53:30 PM
ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

BBC Newsline cover the Club and Schools GAA finals before the Rugby and there's no mention of any fighting!

Is that because of Austin presenting rather than Watson?
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Post by: Maguire01 on March 17, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
Good move. Genuine criticism is much more credible if it's balanced.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on March 17, 2009, 08:53:33 PM
Was there fighting at the rugby final?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: gerry on March 17, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
handbag stuff only
Title: Re: UTV & BBC
Post by: corcaioch on March 23, 2009, 01:20:06 AM
UTV and BBC should either rebrodacast RTE's offerings, or support the terrestrial broadcasting of RTE into all NI homes, not just those daft enough to subscribe to SKY.

RTE show hardly any GAA for over 6 months of the year anyway so it's hardly worthwhile >:(
75% of GAA coverage is on TG4
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Post by: clawaddy on March 27, 2009, 07:44:46 PM
Sat down tonight to watch the BBC local news expecting to see a preview of the Tyrone/Derry game on tomorrow.  It didnt get a mention, in fact GAA didnt get mentioned. I was very surprised as this event will probably have the most spectators of any sporting event here this weekend.There was extensive coverage of soccer,cycling, ice hockey, rugby.  Will this game get radio coverage on Sat? Two weeks ago I sent away £139.50 licence fee but obviously this is the only interest local BBC have in me.  I suppose if there is a skirmish at the match no effort will be spared in covering it.
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Post by: ONeill on March 27, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
Two weeks ago I sent away £139.50 licence fee but obviously this is the only interest local BBC have in me.

Taigs don't pay you eejit.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 27, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
Sat down tonight to watch the BBC local news expecting to see a preview of the Tyrone/Derry game on tomorrow.  It didnt get a mention, in fact GAA didnt get mentioned. I was very surprised as this event will probably have the most spectators of any sporting event here this weekend.There was extensive coverage of soccer,cycling, ice hockey, rugby.  Will this game get radio coverage on Sat? Two weeks ago I sent away £139.50 licence fee but obviously this is the only interest local BBC have in me.  I suppose if there is a skirmish at the match no effort will be spared in covering it.

All the slabbering about the soccer stadium prospal during the week, the GAA's didn't get a mention either?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Redhandfan on March 27, 2009, 11:57:59 PM
Sat down tonight to watch the BBC local news expecting to see a preview of the Tyrone/Derry game on tomorrow.  It didnt get a mention, in fact GAA didnt get mentioned. I was very surprised as this event will probably have the most spectators of any sporting event here this weekend.There was extensive coverage of soccer,cycling, ice hockey, rugby.  Will this game get radio coverage on Sat? Two weeks ago I sent away £139.50 licence fee but obviously this is the only interest local BBC have in me.  I suppose if there is a skirmish at the match no effort will be spared in covering it.

Almost ten minutes of sports coverage on BBC Newsline this evening and the GAA don't so much as get a mention.  Have all the NFL games been postponed this weekend?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: bingobus on March 30, 2009, 11:49:53 AM
RTE coverage on Sunday Sports rant.

As usual showed the TG4 and Setanta games plus a report from Mayo and Galway.

Give the results and discussed briefly the promotion issues but didn't show any league tables for any divisions. Aertel don;t have them either.

Surely someone has a calculator or spreadsheet in RTE to keep updated league tables.  ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 30, 2009, 11:59:48 AM
A credit to the BBC Ceefax service this year bingo. They are up-to-date and accurate. Hopefully the television coverage will improve too.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: bingobus on March 30, 2009, 12:18:37 PM
A credit to the BBC Ceefax service this year bingo. They are up-to-date and accurate. Hopefully the television coverage will improve too.

I actually noticed yesterday that Aertel had some scores up to date on a more regular basis, then I noticed that it was mainly the games involving Ulster teams. Some-one at Aertel was obviously watching page 391 on ceefax!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 30, 2009, 01:16:53 PM
Give the results and discussed briefly the promotion issues but didn't show any league tables for any divisions. Aertel don;t have them either.

Surely someone has a calculator or spreadsheet in RTE to keep updated league tables.  ???

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/gaa_tables_footballleague.html
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on April 13, 2009, 07:15:05 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2009/0413/events_review.html

Government to review designated events list

Monday, 13 April 2009 19:07
The Government is to review the list of sporting events that have to be covered free-to-air because they are of major importance to society.

Under the review, Communications Minister Eamon Ryan is inviting the public to make submissions on events that should be added to the list.

Currently, the list comprises:

- The Summer Olympics
- The All-Ireland Senior Football and Hurling finals
- Ireland's Quallifying games in the European Football Championship and World Cup
- The opening games, semi-finals and the final of the European Football Championship Finals and the FIFA World Cup Finals Tournament
- Ireland's games at the Rugby World Cup Finals Tournament
- The Irish Grand National and the Irish Derby
- The Nations Cup at the Dublin Horse Show

The 'deferred coverage' list currently contains just one event; Ireland's games in the Six Nations Rugby Championship.

Announcing the review, Minister Ryan said: 'There are certain events which should fall outside the solely commercial remit - these are events that are much more than matches or ceremonies. They are part of what we are as a nation and their enjoyment should be available to all.

'I would urge interested members of the public to submit their ideas, which I can promise will be noted with great care.'

The public have until 8 May 2009 to make submission
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Post by: Main Street on April 13, 2009, 08:19:50 PM
Is the address where the submissions go a secret?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Sandy Hill on April 27, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
I see that UTV's local sports teletext service will close from May 31; how will we ever get through the Championship without it? Good f><kin riddance!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on April 27, 2009, 06:38:59 PM
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I see that UTV's local sports teletext service will close from May 31

Close permanently, close until the OWC gets going again?

How hard is it to type results into teletext?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on April 27, 2009, 09:12:07 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on April 27, 2009, 09:58:33 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?

lots of people use it im sure!

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on April 28, 2009, 11:16:07 AM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?


Would use it all the time, as I tend not to spend my life in front of a computer 24/7.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on April 28, 2009, 02:10:53 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?

I look at sport on Ceefax and Aertel. Never UTV. It's a joke.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on April 28, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?

I look at sport on Ceefax and Aertel. Never UTV. It's a joke.

then it shutting down wont affect you.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on April 28, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?


Would use it all the time, as I tend not to spend my life in front of a computer 24/7.
You spend it in front of the TV instead.  :P

I don't spend too much time in front of a computer (compared to some anyway), apart from at work, but just wouldn't think of using teletext over the last few years. Would have used it for TV schedules, but with Virgin Media (and probably all similar services), you can scroll it all on the bottom of your screen.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The GAA on April 29, 2009, 10:20:59 AM

Big teletext user myself - not that its much good. rte only keep the english soccer scores updated right. bbc have begun to do a decent job with the ulster teams' scores in the national league. utv is a joke of course.

whats the story with logie?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on April 29, 2009, 12:20:19 PM
Benny pays a glowing tribute to Logie in todays IN. I wonder was he always as glowing in his tributes ?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on April 29, 2009, 02:01:23 PM
Who actually still uses teletext? Is that not a bit of a blast from the past?

I look at sport on Ceefax and Aertel. Never UTV. It's a joke.

then it shutting down wont affect you.

Not in the slightest ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Lazer on April 29, 2009, 02:04:09 PM
Is the address where the submissions go a secret?

There is a link here to e-mail submissions to

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/News/whats-new/whats-new-april-2009/review-of-designated-sporting-and-other-events
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gnevin on May 13, 2009, 07:22:55 PM
Looks like we will spoiled for choice this year .
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on May 13, 2009, 10:15:25 PM
Is Jerome Quinn still working for the BBC? Seen him at the Tyrone championship matches in Pomeroy on Saturday night with a camera man. Never seen any highlights of the Errigal v Donaghmore or Ardboe v Moy games on the news on Monday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 31, 2009, 07:42:21 PM
Have to say I thought the BBC coverage of Armagh V Tyrone today was pure dung. Their score keeper mustn't have been watching the game. Giving points that weren't points to teams and giving Armagh a Tyrone point. He merely reflected the disinterest shown by the director who at times was more interested in showing people standing on the sidelines than action from the match. Sidebottom was Sidebottom. If Jarleth is there to give an Armagh perspective then in the interest of balance an ex Tyrone footballer should be there too. Even when he was talking about incidents from the match the director again showed the wrong footage on one occasion. Does anyone else miss Jerome?   
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Sandy Hill on May 31, 2009, 07:46:33 PM
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Does anyone else miss Jerome?   

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on May 31, 2009, 09:13:50 PM
Have to say I thought the BBC coverage of Armagh V Tyrone today was pure dung. Their score keeper mustn't have been watching the game. Giving points that weren't points to teams and giving Armagh a Tyrone point. He merely reflected the disinterest shown by the director who at times was more interested in showing people standing on the sidelines than action from the match. Sidebottom was Sidebottom. If Jarleth is there to give an Armagh perspective then in the interest of balance an ex Tyrone footballer should be there too. Even when he was talking about incidents from the match the director again showed the wrong footage on one occasion. Does anyone else miss Jerome?   
Was the match simulcast (i.e. frame for frame, same pictures?) on RTÉ? If so, where does the director come from, RTÉ or the beeb?

The pictures were the same Fionntamhnach but each station had their own graphics such as score up. (The BBC score keeper made a tit of him/herself at the start) Maybe it was RTE who had the control of the pictures but bottom line is that it was amateurish and it wouldn't surprise me if the BBC had control. If you see the pictures have a look at the way they showed Stephen O'Neill's 45 from behind the goals. And while Tommy MCGuigan was missing a free kick we were treated to pictures of the sideline.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: laoisgaa on May 31, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on May 31, 2009, 10:21:03 PM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
I think i recall hearing that they would be showing all Ulster games bar Donegal v Antrim.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on May 31, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
I think i recall hearing that they would be showing all Ulster games bar Donegal v Antrim.

Correct. And it's showing deferred coverage of that game on the Sunday night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: laoisgaa on May 31, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
No it's deferred coverage on the Saturday night
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 01, 2009, 10:33:42 AM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
I think i recall hearing that they would be showing all Ulster games bar Donegal v Antrim.


Correct - barstards!!  ;)
Though will be at the game so probably doesn't matter a jot.  ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on June 01, 2009, 11:26:14 AM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
I think i recall hearing that they would be showing all Ulster games bar Donegal v Antrim.


Correct - barstards!!  ;)
Though will be at the game so probably doesn't matter a jot.  ;D

The game will be live on the BBC website.  BBC currently showing throw in time at 3:50pm...is this right??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Drumanee 1 on June 01, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
i turned over to bbc to hear mchughs and burns thoughts on the game as rte coverage had finished and was totaly astouded they gave man of the match to gormley :o,had a decent first half and scored a goal but clarke cleaned him out in the second half and was the main reason  armagh came back from 8 down to 2 points.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: raisins on June 01, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
The Cavan v Fermanagh match is live on Saturday on BBC Television, Radio Ulster MW and Online. And throw-in time is 5.30pm.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on June 01, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
I'm talking about Donegal/Antrim
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: raisins on June 01, 2009, 11:46:36 AM
Oh right then. That wasn't clear. Thought I'd try and be helpful!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 01, 2009, 11:47:45 AM
Oh right then. That wasn't clear. Thought I'd try and be helpful!

It's being streamed live on the RTE website.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 01, 2009, 01:37:44 PM
Looks like Cavan v Fermanagh won't be live on RTE 2 (21:00), but is live on web-stream. Are BBC NI showing this?
I think i recall hearing that they would be showing all Ulster games bar Donegal v Antrim.


Correct - barstards!!  ;)
Though will be at the game so probably doesn't matter a jot.  ;D

The game will be live on the BBC website.  BBC currently showing throw in time at 3:50pm...is this right??



Sun 14th June
Quarter Final: Donegal V Antrim
venue:Ballybofey, time:3 30 pm, (Ref:Padraig Hughes)
(E.T. if Necessary)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 01, 2009, 01:44:47 PM
Some of RTE's camera work needs looked at.  At one stage yesterday, Tommy McGuigan was taking a free (around the 40min mark) and the cameras switched and focused on the Armagh subs and missed the free altogether.  Tommy missed it (the free) as well, but that kinda stuff in very annoying.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Oldhacker on June 01, 2009, 02:14:18 PM
According to the Irish News on Saturday, Jerome Quinn has permanently departed from the BBC and is now employed by the Ulster Council as a video journalist. Some of his reports can be seen on the Ulster Council's website. Jerome is quoted as saying; `The shackles are now off...'.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on June 01, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
According to the Irish News on Saturday, Jerome Quinn has permanently departed from the BBC and is now employed by the Ulster Council as a video journalist. Some of his reports can be seen on the Ulster Council's website. Jerome is quoted as saying; `The shackles are now off...'.

Saw him in Casement on Saturday evening taking photos at the Down v Armagh USHC match. A fair drop in salary i would say. Would love to know the full story of what happened at the BBC with him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Lovely Hurling on June 02, 2009, 04:59:31 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/ - he was at the minor game in Armagh on Saturday afternoon too cos there's reports and interviews here. Can he be in two places at one time?!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 06, 2009, 06:19:49 PM
The standard of coverage for the Fermanagh/Cavan game is brutal. Cameramen can't keep up with the ball and keep showing stupid angles. Disaster.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 06, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
The standard of coverage for the Fermanagh/Cavan game is brutal. Cameramen can't keep up with the ball and keep showing stupid angles. Disaster.

Agreed. Wish Sidebottom wouldn't try and model himself on Jackie Fullerton!  On another note the BBC had ITA V IRL during the soccer match tonight. At half time it changed to ITA V NIR. No doubt after a few choice phone calls  :D. Maybe we are being hard on the Beeb. Maybe they are all incompetent  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on June 06, 2009, 10:51:08 PM
The standard of coverage for the Fermanagh/Cavan game is brutal. Cameramen can't keep up with the ball and keep showing stupid angles. Disaster.

Agreed. Wish Sidebottom wouldn't try and model himself on Jackie Fullerton!  On another note the BBC had ITA V IRL during the soccer match tonight. At half time it changed to ITA V NIR. No doubt after a few choice phone calls  :D. Maybe we are being hard on the Beeb. Maybe they are all incompetent  :D
What have the camera angles got to do with Sidebottom?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 06, 2009, 10:59:13 PM
The standard of coverage for the Fermanagh/Cavan game is brutal. Cameramen can't keep up with the ball and keep showing stupid angles. Disaster.

Agreed. Wish Sidebottom wouldn't try and model himself on Jackie Fullerton!  On another note the BBC had ITA V IRL during the soccer match tonight. At half time it changed to ITA V NIR. No doubt after a few choice phone calls  :D. Maybe we are being hard on the Beeb. Maybe they are all incompetent  :D
What have the camera angles got to do with Sidebottom?

Nothing Minder and before you ask he had nothing to do with the Northern Ireland V Italy game either.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on June 06, 2009, 11:26:56 PM
I may be biased cos i know him but there are a lot worse than Sidearse about, Marty the martian to name one. . . . . .
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2009, 11:41:07 PM
I may be biased cos i know him but there are a lot worse than Sidearse about, Marty the martian to name one. . . . . .

 :D :D :D Best description I've heard for him...

Honest to God, when Ireland play Australia in the 'Compromise Rules', let's say for arguments sake - Colm Cooper, Stephen O'Neill and Stevie McDonnell all pass the ball to each other... This would be Marty, "Colm 'Gooch' Cooper the Kerryman, to O'Neill the Tyroneman, he in turn passes it to McDonnell the Armaghman..." I'd be like FFS Marty we all know where these fellas are from. That's why I cannot suffer him. And lots of other things...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 07, 2009, 01:38:29 AM
I may be biased cos i know him but there are a lot worse than Sidearse about, Marty the martian to name one. . . . . .

Agreed.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: RMDrive on June 07, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
Is your man who does the TV3 match commentary the same guy who used to do the Midwest Radio matches? (Maybe he still does?)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: gerry on June 07, 2009, 03:45:29 PM
tv3 coverage today was loads better than bbc effort last night
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 07, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
Very impressed with TV3's coverage today. BBC should take a look and learn a few things. Good commentary, good analysis in studio, the in-game stats appearing on screen, and only a few incidents of showing replays when game was still going on.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: comethekingdom on June 07, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
TV3 would sicken you with all the ads though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 07, 2009, 03:59:01 PM
What is RTE's fasination with showing Pillar Caffrey every time he's working at Croke Park?  
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on June 07, 2009, 04:40:14 PM
100% agree with the amount of TV3 adverts, ridiculous.

BBC, while they do plenty wrong, should be given credit where credit is due. It was them and not RTE who showed yesterdays game live. It wasn't their fault that it was a poor game. 

Something that I have noticed in all their live games though, is the camera work, it is pure atrocious. Showing replays when they should be with the live play, showing close ins when they should be panned out and just showing the completely wrong angle! One thing that you can't fault RTE for is their camera work, it is top notch
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 07, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
The camera work all depends on the stadium. If you have a big stadium like Croke Park, they have plenty of cameras from different angles. With a smaller ground, its not always feasible to have camera's at the right position/angle to cover the game like they can at Croke Park.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: comethekingdom on June 07, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
What is RTE's fasination with showing Pillar Caffrey every time he's working at Croke Park?  

He's a Dub!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on June 07, 2009, 05:19:02 PM
The camera work all depends on the stadium. If you have a big stadium like Croke Park, they have plenty of cameras from different angles. With a smaller ground, its not always feasible to have camera's at the right position/angle to cover the game like they can at Croke Park.

RTE & TG4 have never had problems covering Clones & Befni before!! This still doesn't excuse the producers showing replays when they should be showing live action or just pure and simple bad camera work!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ExiledGael on June 07, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
Watched the Cavan Fermanagh game this morning, what was that weird sideline camera all about?
Gave a really warped view on the game and they kept using it.
Was also impressed with TV3 today.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 07, 2009, 07:48:38 PM
That sideline camera should really only be used behind the goals. It was a disaster yesterday and the cameraman had real trouble keeping up with the game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: behind the wire on June 08, 2009, 11:04:02 AM
That sideline camera should really only be used behind the goals. It was a disaster yesterday and the cameraman had real trouble keeping up with the game.

hes used to the lighning pace of the irish league.

another classic from sidebottom this week.. "whats the similarity between a pregnant cow and monaghan? ...the are both close to cavan"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 08, 2009, 01:15:56 PM
That sideline camera should really only be used behind the goals. It was a disaster yesterday and the cameraman had real trouble keeping up with the game.

hes used to the lighning pace of the irish league.

another classic from sidebottom this week.. "whats the similarity between a pregnant cow and monaghan? ...the are both close to cavan"

He got it from the board ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: GBXII on June 08, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
Just a word on the commentators....I think RTE should get Mike Finnerty from TV3 to replace the 'past-it' Ger Canning..better commentator and far more knowledgeable...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Sandy Hill on June 08, 2009, 02:24:19 PM
I thought that Darragh Maloney (sp?) did a sound job commentating on the Dublin v Meath game but I could've done without Martin Carney! Does he never lighten up-commentating sounds like a chore to him!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doohicky on June 08, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
The camera work all depends on the stadium. If you have a big stadium like Croke Park, they have plenty of cameras from different angles. With a smaller ground, its not always feasible to have camera's at the right position/angle to cover the game like they can at Croke Park.

RTE & TG4 have never had problems covering Clones & Befni before!! This still doesn't excuse the producers showing replays when they should be showing live action or just pure and simple bad camera work!

Not sure who decides those replays, because during the Keyy v Cork game there were also a large number or replays being shown during game time. Missed a lot because of it.
And this was on TV3. (If this is the game you mean then apologies)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Massey-135 on June 08, 2009, 02:46:25 PM
Lads, any of use know why TV3 isn't on Sky up here in the north?  ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 08, 2009, 03:11:53 PM
TV3 would sicken you with all the ads though.

True and the whole analysis between the ads feels very rushed. Maybe drop out a question Matt & relax the quick fire questioning... Very good otherwise...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 08, 2009, 04:55:41 PM
Lads, any of use know why TV3 isn't on Sky up here in the north?  ???

To do with television rights with UTV and Granada, which owns a large percentage of shares in TV3.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 08, 2009, 06:58:23 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ExiledGael on June 08, 2009, 07:01:15 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

And ourselves.
A complete joke all the same.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 08, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

And ourselves.
A complete joke all the same.
I was think that maybe your game was covered on Sunday bulletins(?)
Either way, poor showing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: raisins on June 08, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
That sideline camera should really only be used behind the goals. It was a disaster yesterday and the cameraman had real trouble keeping up with the game.

hes used to the lighning pace of the irish league.

another classic from sidebottom this week.. "whats the similarity between a pregnant cow and monaghan? ...the are both close to cavan"

He got it from the board ;)

No - He got it from me cos I have the cheesiest lines in the BBC Sport office!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 08, 2009, 10:23:23 PM
Is there anyway to get TV3 in Belfast? VirginMedia?
Or alternatively, any bars that would show the Cork/Kerry game next Saturday?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on June 08, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

Disgrace- any BBC buffs on the watch wanna state why this is so?

(we know you read this)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

Disgrace- any BBC buffs on the watch wanna state why this is so?

(we know you read this)

Strange as i saw Sidebottom and Thomas Kane in Croke Park yesterday in the press area.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: longrunsthefox on June 09, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
Is the Cork -Kerry replay on live on Saturday?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Bensars on June 09, 2009, 10:57:34 AM
I recently retuned TV and on the search it found RTE 1, 2  TV3 And TG4 perfect pictures
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 09, 2009, 11:06:50 AM
I recently retuned TV and on the search it found RTE 1, 2  TV3 And TG4 perfect pictures
Where from? Belfast?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Bensars on June 09, 2009, 11:08:28 AM
Tyrone.
Samsung TV with built in freeview. Found them as digital channels  801-805 (some test channel in there too)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: longrunsthefox on June 09, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

youse are always girning about BBC and at times is justified. They have practically every Ulster championship game on live so isn't all bad. As for Antrim... they need to have a hard look at the  way the GAA is in the county before pointing finger elsewhere. Is a joke right through to so-called developmet squads and that show on Sunday in croke Park was shameful.   
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 09, 2009, 06:14:14 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

youse are always girning about BBC and at times is justified. They have practically every Ulster championship game on live so isn't all bad. As for Antrim... they need to have a hard look at the  way the GAA is in the county before pointing finger elsewhere. Is a joke right through to so-called developmet squads and that show on Sunday in croke Park was shameful.   
To be fair, i'm rarely gurning about the BBC. I'm happy to give credit when it's due. There are some on here who wouldn't be happy unless every McKenna Cup game was shown live.  :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on June 10, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
No GAA on BBC or UTV news this evening. Maybe Antrim phoned them up and asked them not to.

youse are always girning about BBC and at times is justified. They have practically every Ulster championship game on live so isn't all bad. As for Antrim... they need to have a hard look at the  way the GAA is in the county before pointing finger elsewhere. Is a joke right through to so-called developmet squads and that show on Sunday in croke Park was shameful.   
To be fair, i'm rarely gurning about the BBC. I'm happy to give credit when it's due. There are some on here who wouldn't be happy unless every McKenna Cup game was shown live.  :P

Fantastic idea Maguire01  :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 13, 2009, 08:11:19 AM
Mike Bushell having a go at football on BBC Breakfast this morning - a feature about how the games are growing in GB. It's been on once already but will be on again (sometime before 9 I think).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: passedit on June 13, 2009, 09:19:05 AM
Coming up on news 24
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doogie Browser on June 15, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
Did Jarlath say yesterday that Austy played Sigerson football??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: raisins on June 17, 2009, 12:06:52 PM
I'll ask him for you - He sits beside me in the office! :)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 17, 2009, 02:38:44 PM
 We get it, you work for the BBC!  ::)

 :D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Orior on June 21, 2009, 11:06:06 PM
I get RTE1, Network 2 and TG4 through Virgin NTL.

The problem is that I miss a few inches of each side of the screen.

Anyone else have this problem or is it my NTL settings?
Title: Bocsa
Post by: drici on June 21, 2009, 11:10:15 PM
I get RTE1, Network 2 and TG4 through Virgin NTL.

The problem is that I miss a few inches of each side of the screen.




Remove the rest of the cardboard box it arrived in.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Orior on June 21, 2009, 11:11:17 PM
I get RTE1, Network 2 and TG4 through Virgin NTL.

The problem is that I miss a few inches of each side of the screen.

Anyone else have this problem or is it my NTL settings?
Is there not a way to minimise the screen on your TV?

Even with the cardboard removed I still miss bits no matter what I fiddle with on the TV set.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 21, 2009, 11:13:49 PM
I get RTE1, Network 2 and TG4 through Virgin NTL.

The problem is that I miss a few inches of each side of the screen.

Anyone else have this problem or is it my NTL settings?
Is there not a way to minimise the screen on your TV?

Even with the cardboard removed I still miss bits no matter what I fiddle with on the TV set.


There are also settings in the Virgin Media box that you can change as well.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Orior on June 21, 2009, 11:25:18 PM
Does it happen on any other channels?

Missing a few inches of the side of the screen could mean different things. What type of telly are you watching it with? Widescreen or standard? If it's widescreen have you made sure that your Virgin STB is set to output a 16:9 picture in its menus?
Widescreen, and I have TV settings for Wide, Zoom, 14:9, 4:3 and Smart, none of which solve it.

I can see more of the picture when I watch it on the Setanta channel, so it seems to be the RTE channels only.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: chatchampionship on June 22, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
anyone know how I can watch the Tyrone v Derry match online on the RTE media player thing
it keeps saying only available in Ireland. Is there a proxy or something to watch or get past it. I want to see
the Brolly/ Spillane debate as much as the game itself.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on June 22, 2009, 01:05:40 PM
anyone know how I can watch the Tyrone v Derry match online on the RTE media player thing
it keeps saying only available in Ireland. Is there a proxy or something to watch or get past it. I want to see
the Brolly/ Spillane debate as much as the game itself.
It is also on BBC I player If you can't see it on rte.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 22, 2009, 01:09:37 PM
anyone know how I can watch the Tyrone v Derry match online on the RTE media player thing
it keeps saying only available in Ireland. Is there a proxy or something to watch or get past it. I want to see
the Brolly/ Spillane debate as much as the game itself.
It is also on BBC I player If you can't see it on rte.

He wants to see it for the Brolly/Spillane showdown at high noon.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: JMohan on June 22, 2009, 01:12:05 PM
It seems retarded to me that RTE can't show the games outside of Ireland where people have the damn internet!!!

It is supposedly over the Setanta deal ... not that they look to be very healthy just now!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on June 22, 2009, 05:05:48 PM
When in the proceedings did this lovers spat take place??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: gerry on June 22, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
You should be able to download it from irish torrent site as most gaa games on there
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hotrocks on June 22, 2009, 07:06:45 PM
anyone know how I can watch the Tyrone v Derry match online on the RTE media player thing
it keeps saying only available in Ireland. Is there a proxy or something to watch or get past it. I want to see
the Brolly/ Spillane debate as much as the game itself.

Thank god someone actually replied to this.  Chat has being asking bout this all fecking day.  Three different threads he has been on asking!
Whats the hurry can you not wait a day or two, will be all over youtube in a few days!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doogie Browser on June 23, 2009, 09:34:39 AM
One thing that the BBC deserve credit for is the amount of interviews, normally you are lucky to get one player and the manager from the winning team on a live game on RTE.  On Sunday Thomas Kane interviewed Martin Penrose, Enda McGinley, Kevin Hughes, Davy Harte, and Mickey, also due to the delayed throw in my sky plus cut off before the end so there may have been more.  Davy Harte has an oul mans head on him!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on June 23, 2009, 09:50:43 AM
When in the proceedings did this lovers spat take place??

Anyone  ???
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 23, 2009, 10:05:11 AM
When in the proceedings did this lovers spat take place??

Anyone  ???

About 15 minutes into the programme when watching on RTE Player
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on June 23, 2009, 10:10:41 AM
When in the proceedings did this lovers spat take place??

Anyone  ???

About 15 minutes into the programme when watching on RTE Player

Perfect, thanks.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: rrhf on June 23, 2009, 10:12:55 AM
I watched it in full last night, it was a set up, Lester rolled up the balls of fine snow and handed them to orourke, he fired a couple rather softly at Brolly and Brolly dodge them well.  All that was good until spillane grabbed the snow cloud and shook it out all covering brolly, who swung catching Spillane and bursting him right open underneath the forehead (or was that oversized hole in his face already there) Anyway the moral of the story is be careful when swinging yer brolly in the snow.        
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 29, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Not a bad idea, but would take along time and money to develop, market etc.

I know if I was abroad and had limited access to watch game's id gladly pay for good coverage.


Back Stage, Dave Hannigan - Online & upwards

Rather than waiting for a sign from Setanta, the GAA should direct the traffic and cash towards themselves

Earlier this week, the New York Yankees announced details of a deal through which its fans can now pay a once-off fee of $49 to watch every game in the second half of the current baseball season live on their computers. These 81 matches are already carried live on the club's own channel or the national networks but the Yankees realise the world has changed and their job is to make sure their fans can access coverage whenever and wherever they now please. We mention this only because the Yankees are one of the richest and most successful sports franchises in the world. They tend to know their stuff when it comes to marketing.

Seven years after Major League Baseball first offered a service through which fans living out of state could watch their hometown teams play live online, the Yankees have gone a step farther. They recognise that in the 21st century sports enthusiasts use their computers as much as home entertainment devices as workstations. Everything is about making it easier for the supporters to access the games they wish to. Whether at home in New York or abroad, in the office or a hotel, the die-hard now need never be without their nightly Yankee fix. Against the background of this news, it was kind of bizarre to read the GAA's commercial and marketing manager Dermot Power's response to the ongoing Setanta crisis.

"We're still in the dark until we know what the new Setanta model is going to be," said Power in The Irish Times the other day. "We've been in contact with them all the time. At stake are our international rights and domestic league rights. We do want to get the games to our people all over the world and as originally, pubs and clubs are still the major distribution channels for us overseas."

Power is a smart guy but the last sentence was a ludicrous statement because the days when pubs and clubs are still the major distribution channels overseas are at or near the end. Or at least they would be if the GAA realised what a wonderful opportunity is within their grasp to change the game completely. The original deal with Setanta transmitting the matches to Irish-centric venues was a boon to emigrants everywhere, doing more for their quality of life than perhaps any Irish government ever. But, even before the company hit the financial rocks in recent weeks, the time for this kind of contract has passed, its efficacy overtaken by rapidly-changing technology and demographic trends.

Once Setanta's current deal expires, the major distribution channel for the GAA needs to be GAA.ie. That's where fans from New York to New South Wales should be able to log on to pay a yearly fee of, let's just say, €150 to watch every championship match shown live every weekend of the summer. If 100,000 of the diaspora did that every May, Croke Park would benefit to the tune of €15m each year. Nobody knows what Setanta currently pay for their privilege but by dealing directly with the customer, removing the profit margin of the pub owner and the distributor, the GAA surely stands to make a whole lot more.

Is it wildly optimistic to expect 100,000 Irish abroad to sign up? At least that sort of attendance turns up at venues across America and Australia and England every week to fork over $20 or its equivalent in other currencies at a time. And there are many multiples that number of Gaelic football and/or hurling devotees flung to the far corners right now who don't live within striking distance of a pub or club showing the matches. How many would be tempted to buy into the chance to cheer on their county from the convenience and comfort of their own homes?

The last part is important too. Today's emigrants no longer tend to gather so religiously around a hub or a neighbourhood in a particular city. They are a far more disparate and white-collar bunch, as likely to be found in small towns and suburbs as in traditional enclaves like Yonkers and Kilburn. Shouldn't the GAA's policy towards overseas broadcasts reflect that new reality too and capitalise on the fact these people are living in countries with such sophisticated broadband that there is no difference between watching a game on a computer and a big screen. Not to mention the days are (mostly) gone when Paddy drank through the night and slept on the bar before being woken up to watch the match the next morning.

That the GAA is already aware of the new reality is obvious. From time to time when schedules have conflicted, RTE have gone the internet transmission-only route, albeit frustratingly restricted to Irish audiences. Setanta, to their credit, also offered an online pay-per-view option though it was ill-conceived and flawed. Whether the company that owns the overseas rights expires before the current contract with Croke Park does, Power et al must realise they have a wonderful business opportunity here.

Beyond the original subscriptions, Croke Park could offer half-price season tickets to those buying after 15 July each year (bandwagon jumpers suddenly interested because their county is progressing!), special offers for those who renew early in the year. Think of the pitch GAA.ie could make to online advertisers like airlines too. How many page views could it guarantee these companies every week? How many visitors to the site would also end up using it to buy their county merchandise from? Whether it's to potentially fund the grant payments for players or just to boost the coffers to finance the ongoing promotional battles with other sports, this sort of revenue has never been more badly needed.

There is another harsh nettle to be grasped here. It is now possible to watch a lot of the live championship matches on pirate feeds online. As the quality of that service improves and proliferates – and it will – there's the possibility of losing more and more viewers who will take their chances with illegal downloads rather than trekking to the AOH Hall or the Irish Club of a Sunday morning. By offering a legal alternative that represents good value, and with ancillary attractions like subscriber draws for All Ireland final tickets, the GAA can ensure most of its overseas audience won't be tempted down that road.

As always, it's sad to witness the troubles of an Irish company, especially one like Setanta that made a genuine sporting and cultural contribution to our lives. However, the current situation should finally force the GAA into rethinking its overseas strategy. Online and upwards.

http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2009/jun/28/back-stage-dave-hannigan-online-upwards/ (http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2009/jun/28/back-stage-dave-hannigan-online-upwards/)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 29, 2009, 06:50:54 PM
Is it wildly optimistic to expect 100,000 Irish abroad to sign up?
In a word, Yes.
Although if they could have something more than just the games - content that would appeal to the domestic market too, it might be more of a runner.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Archie Mitchell on June 29, 2009, 07:15:54 PM
Would be very optimistic, but with the right marketing, and a suitable price (€150 is too much) you never know. They probably would have to add something other than the match coverage. Am I right in saying that the GAA have the rights for all the archives of GAA games? Why don't they make these available online as well? If they did, you possibly could get more subscribers, especially in Ireland who would subscirbe.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on June 29, 2009, 09:38:07 PM
I'd probably subscribe to get some of the Saturday night league games, but i probably wouldn't pay much more than €70-80/year. The option to buy in single games for €5 could be nice though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on June 29, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
I would agree with Maguire. I couldn't afford a full year's subscription, but an option for PoV would be good.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 04, 2009, 07:55:06 PM
Cheers RTE for showing this worldwide :)
Title: Re: Sunday Game Producers
Post by: Louth Exile on July 05, 2009, 09:42:39 PM
Sunday Game Producers

What f**king planet do they live on, or are they all just stoned. No I'm not talking about Bernie Flynn's jacket last night!!

How many games of football was there on this weekend that they are able to show footage from?? No, why would we do that... we'll roll out a load of auld fellas to talk the same auld guff about how great Munster hurling is.

Who in the name of god wants to watch this crap   >:(  >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: laoisgaa on July 05, 2009, 09:44:41 PM
The match footage is later on, although I suspect we won't get to see footage from every qualifier

I think it's a great idea to show this in the GAA's 125th year and it has been good so far - but they could have found another slot for it
Title: Re: Sunday Game Producers
Post by: Maguire01 on July 05, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
Sunday Game Producers

What f**king planet do they live on, or are they all just stoned. No I'm not talking about Bernie Flynn's jacket last night!!

How many games of football was there on this weekend that they are able to show footage from?? No, why would we do that... we'll roll out a load of auld fellas to talk the same auld guff about how great Munster hurling is.

Who in the name of god wants to watch this crap   >:(  >:(
Yep - this is a load of crap. There was plenty of action on over the weekend - a programme like this can be shown on a Thursday night.
Title: Re: Sunday Game Producers
Post by: Donagh on July 14, 2009, 06:51:41 PM
In the week running up to the Ulster Final which one of the teams hasn't reached in 30 odd years, UTV sports report give us with stories of some boy possibly moving to an English 3rd division soccer club, a local soccer team playing a friendly and venue for a rugby match to be played next month or the month after. All this after a 20 minute replay of their 12th coverage from yesterday. Is more of this all we can expect now Loggie has gone?
Title: Re: Sunday Game Producers
Post by: ziggysego on July 14, 2009, 06:53:38 PM
In the week running up to the Ulster Final which one of the teams hasn't reached in 30 odd years, UTV sports report give us with stories of some boy possibly moving to an English 3rd division soccer club, a local soccer team playing a friendly and venue for a rugby match to be played next month or the month after. All this after a 20 minute replay of their 12th coverage from yesterday. Is more of this all we can expect now Loggie has gone?

I switched on the telly to watch the news. It was The Twelfth, so turned it off.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: mick999 on July 15, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
I see the Road to Croker has the Bradleys on this week:

Its also available online Worlwide ...

FRIDAY 17 JULY

THE ROAD TO CROKER
Worldwide - 7.00pm

In tonight's programme, The Road to Croker will be hanging out with the Bradley family: Antrim manager Liam, and Derry sharpshooters Paddy and Eoin, ahead of a big weekend for the family. Liam has led Antrim to their first Ulster Final since 1970 on Sunday while his sons will play a key role as Derry look to progress to through the qualifiers.

Also tonight, Munster and Ireland rugby star Tomás O'Leary shows he is still well able to handle a hurl... but then he was a All Ireland winning Minor captain for Cork in 2001 and with a father like Cork's Seánie O'Leary, he didn't lick it off the stones either!

Mayo's run to the All Ireland Final in 1989 is also remembered in tonight's programme as they prepare for another Connacht Final showdown with Galway. And the Punter v Pundit showdown continues with two more wannabe Mystic Megs gazing into their crystal balls for the weekend action
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: scalder on July 15, 2009, 02:35:06 PM
I’m sure I’ve seen it before but I was still somewhat shocked to see wall to wall coverage of the Orange ‘demonstrations’ on but BBC and UTV ( channel who derive a significantly portion of their advertising revenue from across the border). I mean what sort of message is it that the regional broadcasters give oxygen to the celebration of  bigotry, I wonder in the South in the US do the local TV stations give the KKK such soft focus coverage?

Crazy crazy stuff!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Rossfan on July 15, 2009, 04:09:29 PM
It's up to GAA people in the north to organise ...stop advertising on UTV and tell them why.
Organise a Court Action against the BBC ...a publicly funded organisation which does not give parity of esteem to 45% of it's funders.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The Watcher Pat on July 15, 2009, 04:45:49 PM
Just following up on Rossfans post. It would be interesting to see who has U.TV as their internet service provider on the board here.

Maybe start with changing that!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on July 15, 2009, 06:28:51 PM
No mention of final tonight either on utv. Sport dominated by soccer including a friendly match next month with possibility of Healy lining out for the "blues". If Northern Ireland were playing in front of 30,000 local fans this weekend there would be build up every night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: clawaddy on July 15, 2009, 08:43:11 PM
watched utv and bbc tonight to see buildup to the big match this weekend - not a word! As previous poster said if 30 -35000 were attending a local soccer match we would have it every night.  Indeed there are 2 other gaa matches with local interest this weekend which will be watched by 10-15000 people which would easily outnumber the total attendances at local soccer games during the season. Personally I dont care anymore if utv show gaa as they have become a bit of a joke station but I do care about bbc not least because I pay for the right to view their output.  Im not suggesting a friendly between glentoran and nortel doesnt deserve coverage ???, just that a match or matches attracting many thousands of licence payers should also be covered. Comeon BBC lets play fair >:(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 15, 2009, 08:52:55 PM
GAA did get a mention on the BBC. British soil in Croke Park...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Rossfan on July 15, 2009, 09:00:19 PM
. Comeon BBC lets play fair >:(

As I said ...organise and take them to Court
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2009, 09:03:05 PM
I see the Road to Croker has the Bradleys on this week:

Its also available online Worlwide ...

FRIDAY 17 JULY

THE ROAD TO CROKER
Worldwide - 7.00pm

In tonight's programme, The Road to Croker will be hanging out with the Bradley family: Antrim manager Liam, and Derry sharpshooters Paddy and Eoin, ahead of a big weekend for the family. Liam has led Antrim to their first Ulster Final since 1970 on Sunday while his sons will play a key role as Derry look to progress to through the qualifiers.

Also tonight, Munster and Ireland rugby star Tomás O'Leary shows he is still well able to handle a hurl... but then he was a All Ireland winning Minor captain for Cork in 2001 and with a father like Cork's Seánie O'Leary, he didn't lick it off the stones either!

Mayo's run to the All Ireland Final in 1989 is also remembered in tonight's programme as they prepare for another Connacht Final showdown with Galway. And the Punter v Pundit showdown continues with two more wannabe Mystic Megs gazing into their crystal balls for the weekend action


I'll probably watch it so as regards Mayo's All-Ireland final run.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: glens73 on July 18, 2009, 03:54:08 PM
Pat Spillane to Michael Lyster "It's great to be sharing the studio with a Derry man (Tohill) who talks sense for a change"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on July 28, 2009, 05:30:31 PM
BBC will be covering both football quarter finals on Sunday
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 28, 2009, 07:29:01 PM
BBC will be covering both football quarter finals on Sunday

According to the BBC schedules, Women's Golf is on instead.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: tyrone86 on July 28, 2009, 07:36:20 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8172804.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8172804.stm)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on July 28, 2009, 08:10:59 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8172804.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8172804.stm)

a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on July 30, 2009, 11:00:02 PM
Seems like this coverage on the bbc is only gonna be in NI, can anyone confirm or deny this, as if it's true, us folk in the UK won't be able to get it!!!

By UK I mean England, Scotland, Wales, London to be precise!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: fred the red on July 30, 2009, 11:01:59 PM
Seems like this coverage on the bbc is only gonna be in NI, can anyone confirm or deny this, as if it's true, us folk in the UK won't be able to get it!!!

if you have sky digital i think you can access bbc ni
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 30, 2009, 11:03:15 PM
Seems like this coverage on the bbc is only gonna be in NI, can anyone confirm or deny this, as if it's true, us folk in the UK won't be able to get it!!!

You'll be able to get it on BBC iPlayer. Not sure it iPlayer streams live though.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on July 30, 2009, 11:03:54 PM
Yeh I've Sky Digital and looking ahead on the planner, there's no mention of Live GAA on Sunday afternoon, still down as Swimming!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 30, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
Yeh I've Sky Digital and looking ahead on the planner, there's no mention of Live GAA on Sunday afternoon, still down as Swimming!!!

You checking BBC 2 NI and not the BBC 2 region you're in?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on July 30, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Yeh BB2 NI is Channel 992 over in London and it's down as Golf not Swimming!!! The early rounds of the Ulster Champs were available over here no bother but they were advertised on the Sky Gude where as this weekend it's not so I'm wondering if it is only gonna be available in NI!!! Fuckin gutted if it is as we're fucked over here with Setanta going bust, and esp so as I'm working this Sunday!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on July 30, 2009, 11:15:58 PM
Good news for anyone in the UK, I've just come across a thread on www.digitalspy.co.uk and has stated that all three quarter finals on sunday and monday will be available live on Sky Channel 167, channel is called InfoTV2

FUCKIN GREAT NEWS FOR ME!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ross4life on July 31, 2009, 12:42:24 AM
are tv3 finished with their coverage for the year now?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 31, 2009, 12:47:17 AM
Yeah.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 31, 2009, 08:05:30 PM
I seen advert on BBC2 earlier tonight for the Tyrone and Donegal games which said "Not available on digital satellite" and just checking the Sky EPG shows womens golf for Sunday afternoon. It looks like it will only be available on analogue and digital terrestrial, and cable. However a last minute deal is possible.

Just noticed that myself this afternoon. Any idea why that is?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on July 31, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
But that notice was never given before. Besides, I've seen games on BBC via Sky Digital before.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on July 31, 2009, 10:18:25 PM
Well anyone that does have Sky outside of Ireland will still be able to see the games on sunday and monday, just tune into channel 167, InfoTV2. All games are advertised on the EPG so can't imagine them being blocked out!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 01, 2009, 12:06:56 AM
Think it said in press release earlier that it was only available for pubs in UK on that channel. Not sure how that would work.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: laoisgaa on August 01, 2009, 01:29:51 AM
http://www.information.tv/popups/feed.php
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thechampishere on August 01, 2009, 08:47:10 AM
Definitely wouldn't be for pubs only, it would clash with setanta's commercial rights to the gaa, assuming that they still hold them, so I'm near certain that the channel won't be blocked out come throw in time, so sit back, relax, and ENJOY!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Cosmo Kramer on August 01, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
http://www.information.tv/popups/feed.php

Will the matches be shown on that link, or is that infotv1?

Really want to see the games this weekend, but don't want to spend two full days in the pub! (Only have Freeview, no skybox)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: sandwiches_in_the_boot on August 01, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
Its definately on Info TV2 (Sky - 167)

LIVE GAA All-Ireland Football Quarter final action from Croke Park: Sunday 2nd 1230-1830 and Monday 3rd 1300-1700

Their site says:
"Essentially, we provide access to broadcast television for organisations who wish to reach specific target audiences, whether they are large or small. We incubate new television propositions for niche market segments, which would struggle to start up on a dedicated channel."

This makes sense, it allows the GAA to be broadcast domestically in the mainland after the demise of Setanta.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on August 01, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
This makes sense, it allows the GAA to be broadcast domestically in the mainland after the demise of Setanta.

An in the island of Britain as well.

The question is what is the economics of this?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:18:44 PM
AI semi final not on BBC!
It is, you fool.  :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 04:26:34 PM
Not for those of us in the digital age.  BBC NI digital is showing athletics!  I cannot watch the game on the channel for which I am paying a licence fee.

Mind your attitude, Maguire, have some manners!
Now now, don't be so sensitive - I was only joking, hence the smiley!

But anyway, i'm getting it on digital.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: comethekingdom on August 23, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
I see the BBC nordies have signed off on their championship coverage for this year as Tyrone are now out !! Never watched it anyway as its pure nordie biased. Canning should be fcuked out of RTE. I listen to Radio 1 and watch on telly with the sound down.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:09:12 PM
good riddance. Sure, all they would have done for the rest of the year was taken cheap shots at the Munster teams or harped on about "dirty" Meath v Tyrone in 1996. Nordie bias is unreal...and they complain about the Sunday game !!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: comethekingdom on August 23, 2009, 10:32:49 PM
So ??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on August 23, 2009, 10:38:55 PM
good riddance. Sure, all they would have done for the rest of the year was taken cheap shots at the Munster teams or harped on about "dirty" Meath v Tyrone in 1996. Nordie bias is unreal...and they complain about the Sunday game !!
Pot. Kettle. Black?
Your only contribution on here seems to be your anti-Tyrone/anti-'Nordie' rants.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:47:17 PM
good riddance. Sure, all they would have done for the rest of the year was taken cheap shots at the Munster teams or harped on about "dirty" Meath v Tyrone in 1996. Nordie bias is unreal...and they complain about the Sunday game !!
Pot. Kettle. Black?
Your only contribution on here seems to be your anti-Tyrone/anti-'Nordie' rants.

and your only contributions seem to be blathering on about politics or licking Tyrones backside. No wonder Monaghan have won nothing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Mike Sheehy on August 23, 2009, 10:50:22 PM
Was it just me or did they ignore Joe Brollys views after the game today???  He was cut off a few times when he tried to give his point of view!!  Looked like Northern discrimination by the RTE IMO!!!

proper order. Sick of listening to the twat....he should just go off to the BBC with his Nordie bias.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thejuice on August 23, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
Look, theirs no conspiracy or discrimination, its all on the field. for f**k sake, its only the opinion of some has-beens on RTE. Their might be some rivalry amongst them, between Brollly and Spillane, especially with Pats, justice has been done today which seemed a bit strange. Unless Meath win something this year people might wonder why Colm O'Rourke is even on the panel.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 08, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
I'm told there was good coverage last night of Crossmaglen-Ogs on nordie telly. Does anyone know where that was and if you can watch it again? ty
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Carbery on September 08, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
I'm told there was good coverage last night of Crossmaglen-Ogs on nordie telly. Does anyone know where that was and if you can watch it again? ty

Highlights and Interviews on the Armagh GAA Website
http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV.aspx

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 28, 2009, 03:50:37 PM
I see the BBC nordies have signed off on their championship coverage for this year as Tyrone are now out !!

Never mind the TV stations ignoring clubs, look at the amount of web video that has cropped up across Ulster in the last while. I make it 5 different counties with some form of video content on their sites.

ARMAGH (from the weekend) - http://www.armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV/News/Videos-as-Harps-reach-SFC-Final.aspxhttp://

ANTRIM (from yesterday) - http://antrim.gaa.ie/

DERRY - http://www.cnsports.co.uk/#/live-player/4534631074

DOWN - http://www.downgaa.net/

TYRONE - http://www.tyronegaa.ie/club/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=878

By way of comparison with the tv stations, there's a wee bit of video on the UTV website from Casement...

http://www.u.tv/Sport/Dunloy-keep-championship-title/621c5d5c-649d-4256-8067-6c0e5ae384c5

and 6 videos on the bbc website - all from the Irish League..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm

and this on the rte site..

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0927/club.html
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on October 02, 2009, 11:17:07 AM
Credit where it is due - BBC Newsline sent Thomas Kane and cameras to Dublin airport to welcome home Martin Clarke and Kevin Dyas - nice touch ! Well done.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 02, 2009, 11:24:42 AM
Credit where it is due - BBC Newsline sent Thomas Kane and cameras to Dublin airport to welcome home Martin Clarke and Kevin Dyas - nice touch ! Well done.

Well done indeed. Home is where the heart is.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8283646.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 02, 2009, 11:42:25 AM
Credit where it is due - BBC Newsline sent Thomas Kane and cameras to Dublin airport to welcome home Martin Clarke and Kevin Dyas - nice touch ! Well done.

Well done indeed. Home is where the heart is.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8283646.stm
Martin has the Mountains of Mourne on his shoulders this year, so no pressure!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: DownFanatic on October 04, 2009, 06:26:22 PM
After five minutes of monotonous sports footage, UTV Live finally got around to reading out the Senior Championship results. Supposedly Kilkeel beat Loughinisland in the Championship. Poor poor journalism.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 17, 2009, 08:49:41 PM
What games are on TG4 tomorrow? Will the Galway final replay be on?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: mattielennon on October 17, 2009, 11:17:30 PM
Gaelic Games and Irish Transport
               By Mattie Lennon               
 
   
   John Cassidy is a voluntary steward in Croke Park and as such he has witnessed spectacular victories, defeats and draws in football, hurling and camogie.
   He is a Donegal man who won’t let you forget that his county won the all-Ireland final in 1992. His day job is as a supervisor with Dublin Bus, one of the CIE  group of companies. In October 2008 he was responsible for bringing CIE Transport Gaels to Gaelic Park, New York, to play teams from the NYPD and FDNY; the first time any CIE team played in America. (In October 2010 he is bringing his team to Boston.)In his memoir he has written of how his childhood interest in Gaelic games was honed, “In McGettigan’s field in Clogher” and how, “two older boys would select the opposing teams: every one present was included which meant we often played twenty a side. As our pitch consisted of the entire field this was no problem. With the goalposts (four jackets) in place the game would begin. It would end for one of the following reasons: Hunger, darkness or a pitch invasion by Mc Gettigan’s cattle.”
   John Cassidy’s experiences, literary ability and research skills have been, once again, juxtaposed to bring us his latest publication.
   “Buses, Trains and Gaelic Games” is a history of Gaelic games in Irish transport from 1885 to the present day. The author traces the path of Gaelic football, hurling, handball and camogie teams from the days of Charles Bianconi (the father of public transport, in Ireland) to the twenty-first century.
   Since the foundation of Coras Iompar Eireann (CIE) in 1945 every section of the company, urban and rural, contributed to Gaelic sports and provided players at county, national and international level.
   In his foreword, CIE Chairman John J. Lynch, says, “I deem it a high honour and privilege to be invited to contribute a Foreword to the history of the many CIE G.A.A. clubs nationwide.”    He goes on to praise, “ . . .  the great sporting bodies within the CIE family ” and refers to the fact that their achievements “ both on and off the field, testify to the dedication of so many people . . . , which stands as a testimony to the organisational skills and tremendous sense of purpose which CIE has harnessed throughout its existence. Running a sporting organisation is a time consuming business but with the continued voluntary involvement of managers, coaches, administrators, players and supporters CIE will pass on a substantial legacy for future generations to build upon.”
   Through, dedication, interviews and the relentless pursuit of source-material the author has given us a comprehensive and colourful account of clubs, teams and individual players associated with Irish transport over the generations. Some of these didn’t get the coverage they deserved, from the media, during their careers. One such, who features in this publication, was the most decorated player in the history of Gaelic games. Camogie player Kathleen Mills made her debut with the Great Southern Railway Club, Dublin, in 1938. In 1941 she played for Dublin, when they were beaten by Cork, in the All-Ireland final. She was on the winning Dublin team which beat Cork in 1942 and 1943. She went on to win all-Ireland medals in 1948, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954 and 1955. She was Captain when Dublin beat Tipperary in 1957.
   More All-Ireland medals were to follow in 1959, 1960 and 1961. The 1961 final was on her 38th birthday and it was the last time she wore the Dublin jersey. In retirement she was known as “the Christy Ring of the camogie world”. She died in August 1996.
   Every parish in Ireland has its sporting heroes and almost every townland has someone who works, or worked, in CIE. And John Cassidy hasn’t neglected the “sporting ballad.”  Many clubs and individual players are lauded in such compositions as, “Kelly’s Heroes”, “Thirteen Men From CIE” and “Transport Gaels.”  “A Tribute to Sean Kelly” by Christy Fitzgerald immortalises a legend.
Einstein said, “If I knew what I was looking for I wouldn’t call it research.”  Well, the gems that John Cassidy didn’t expect to find in the National Library, publications as diverse as “The Freeman’s Journal” and  “Ireland's Eye” and the conversations of ordinary people, are now recorded for posterity between the covers of “Buses, Trains and Gaelic Games”.
    This history of Gaelic games in Irish transport over a century and a quarter plus more than a hundred photographs is a book not to be missed.
 “Buses, Trains and Gaelic Games” is available (Price €15, including postage) from; Original Writing, Spade Enterprise Centre, North King Street, Smithfield, Dublin 7.
www.originalwriting.ie or you can get an autographed copy from the author, John Cassidy, 4 Ardmore Avenue, Dublin7. And you can  contact him at; johncassidy92@yahoo.com
 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on October 20, 2009, 12:39:21 AM
Was that Jerome's footage that UTV used of the Tyrone SFC Final tonight?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Donagh on October 20, 2009, 08:35:40 AM
Was that Jerome's footage that UTV used of the Tyrone SFC Final tonight?

Was thinking the same myself ziggy. Looks like Jerome may be onto a winner by the supplying the footage the local media can't be bothered getting for themselves. Hope it works out for him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on October 20, 2009, 04:15:15 PM
What did they show then, and what did the other side show, do you know? There was the Armagh final, the Tyrone final and the St Galls game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Donagh on October 20, 2009, 05:28:56 PM
UTV had a lot of the 'Drama at Omagh' footage along with Ricey's interview. 'The other side' led with reports of the referee being assaulted had a quick clip of Dromore lifting the cup. Had more footage from the Athletic Grounds with an interview with some of the Clarkes. Didn't notice a mention of St Galls on either side.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: stiffler on October 20, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
Its a disgrace that BBC lead with the full time whistle at Healy park.

But what else can we expect given their track record in relation to negative reporting of GAA as a whole?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on October 20, 2009, 06:47:45 PM
The BBC did also mention that there was a crowd of around 10k in Armagh - and actually gave decent enough coverage around that game. Didn't stop them showing a report on Linfield v Glentoran, watched by two men and a dog no doubt, first. And yes, a shame that they felt the need to lead with the 'ref' incident.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2009, 01:44:35 AM
Sums them up, i would say Dan Gordon is delighted...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redcard on October 25, 2009, 01:04:26 AM
Sums them up, i would say Dan Gordon is delighted...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm

Think you mean:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm


this story ever made channel 4 news on saturday
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2009, 01:10:49 AM
Sums them up, i would say Dan Gordon is delighted...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm

Think you mean:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm


this story ever made channel 4 news on saturday

It is a strange world.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redcard on October 25, 2009, 01:21:43 AM
Sums them up, i would say Dan Gordon is delighted...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm

Think you mean:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm


this story ever made channel 4 news on saturday

It is a strange world.

scroll to end of this piece and you will see introduction to story

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1529573111?bclid=45895913001&bctid=46150807001
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: AFS on October 25, 2009, 01:42:22 AM
Sums them up, i would say Dan Gordon is delighted...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8324347.stm

That's unforgivable, he's not even playing the same sport  :-\
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: aontroim on November 23, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
UTV Live just mentioned they are doing a series of features starting tonight on UTV Live Tonight at 10:30 - their bit for GAA125 - will be interesting to see how much coverage they devote.

This is coming up now - about history of Croke Pk - first of 4 reports this week
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 23, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
UTV Live just mentioned they are doing a series of features starting tonight on UTV Live Tonight at 10:30 - their bit for GAA125 - will be interesting to see how much coverage they devote.

This is coming up now - about history of Croke Pk - first of 4 reports this week

10mins - if that.

Poor stuff. Bad GAA not allowing Garrison sports on GAA grounds and members of the security forces play GAA.

Tomorrow night, why Unionist community don't like the GAA.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 09:05:23 AM
UTV Live just mentioned they are doing a series of features starting tonight on UTV Live Tonight at 10:30 - their bit for GAA125 - will be interesting to see how much coverage they devote.

This is coming up now - about history of Croke Pk - first of 4 reports this week

10mins - if that.

Poor stuff. Bad GAA not allowing Garrison sports on GAA grounds and members of the security forces play GAA.

Tomorrow night, why Unionist community don't like the GAA.
Yep - a load of crap. Concentrating just on the 'political'.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 09:16:44 AM
UTV Live just mentioned they are doing a series of features starting tonight on UTV Live Tonight at 10:30 - their bit for GAA125 - will be interesting to see how much coverage they devote.

This is coming up now - about history of Croke Pk - first of 4 reports this week

10mins - if that.

Poor stuff. Bad GAA not allowing Garrison sports on GAA grounds and members of the security forces play GAA.

Tomorrow night, why Unionist community don't like the GAA.
Yep - a load of crap. Concentrating just on the 'political'.


When will you'se ever learn ?  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 24, 2009, 11:43:30 AM
Was suprised to see UTV doing a bit on the gaa anniversary and actually thought it might be ok. Was disgusted though when I watched it last night. The full thing was about gaa links to irish nationalism and rule 21. It was obvious they had no interest in the games. It wont get much better tonight as its about why unionists dont like the gaa. The gaa shouldnt let this crap go unchallenged. There is no balance in there coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redhugh on November 24, 2009, 12:06:38 PM
That was a ball of dung!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on November 24, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
Was suprised to see UTV doing a bit on the gaa anniversary and actually thought it might be ok. Was disgusted though when I watched it last night. The full thing was about gaa links to irish nationalism and rule 21. It was obvious they had no interest in the games. It wont get much better tonight as its about why unionists dont like the gaa. The gaa shouldnt let this crap go unchallenged. There is no balance in there coverage.

It's a history of the GAA through unionist eyes by the looks of it rather than having any balance to it at all.

What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: aontroim on November 24, 2009, 12:53:46 PM
Agreed - that piece last night did nothing to show the GAA in any positive light - the only plus point was they confirmed it's the biggest participant sport on the island.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 24, 2009, 02:34:31 PM
What stuck in my throat the most, was that they were saying (though not directly) that the British Army attack in Croke Park was the fault of the GAA due to suspicions within Westminister and Unionist Community as to what the GAA was. ie a sporting wing of the IRA (which sadly some people still proclaim it is).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 24, 2009, 07:48:28 PM
This was a blatant attempt by utv to paint the gaa as a poilitical organisation and nothing to do with celebrating 125 years of one of the last remaining great ametuer organisations in the world. The gaa has done so much in shaping communities across the country but they clearly aren't interested. For an organisation that has no interest in the gaa all year its hardly suprising.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on November 24, 2009, 09:21:29 PM
Contact the advertisers that have ads during the news/sport and say that you regret their advertising on such a partisan service.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 10:55:28 PM
For f--ks sake - the b-----ding bigots are at it the night again !!!!



Bigoted b------ds !!!!!!! C--ts !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 24, 2009, 10:57:36 PM
It's a bloody disgrace.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redhugh on November 24, 2009, 10:59:59 PM
Another ball of dung!
Smarmy hole Paul Clarke said at the end that tomorrow night they will be looking at the sucess of the Ulster counties.Can't wait to see if he means Ulster or occupied 6.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 24, 2009, 11:02:39 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: redhugh on November 24, 2009, 11:04:41 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.

Fair play to ye Ziggy.Let us know what they have to say.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: tyroneboi on November 24, 2009, 11:08:45 PM
What an absolutely disgusting programme that was! They just shouldn't have bothered their asses if thats the shite they come up with. And did you see the cut of the footage they used? Fair enough in using clips of the Down team from years gone by but they could at least use up to date clips instead of the Tyrone v Derry match from 1995. What is the show about tomorrow night?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 11:10:23 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.


It'll be used for toilet roll.


Bigots.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 11:45:55 PM
That really was ridiculous.

You'd think UTV would be a bit more neutral, given their interests in the Republic as well.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ceol agus peil on November 25, 2009, 02:24:29 AM
What are jerome and adrain at currently
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: aontroim on November 25, 2009, 09:58:20 AM
Said something last night about the attacks on GAA clubs over the years would be on tonight too - the brief for UTV GAA 125 must have been 'Highlight all and any negativity from the GAA over the last 125 years'. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 25, 2009, 10:11:08 AM
A mate met Logie on the piss in Donegal at the weekend, suffuce to say his former employers did not get a lot of praise.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lfdown2 on November 25, 2009, 10:43:08 AM
dont get utv (thank god) what angle did they take last night?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on November 25, 2009, 12:29:06 PM
Another ball of dung!
Smarmy hole Paul Clarke said at the end that tomorrow night they will be looking at the sucess of the Ulster counties.Can't wait to see if he means Ulster or occupied 6.

He is a truly hatefull individual
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orange2009 on November 25, 2009, 12:35:18 PM
Well as far as I know UTV will be taking a much more positive editorial slant on the GAA tonight.  I know it wasn't pretty to watch last night but you know the GAA isn't an all glorious organisaiton with absolutely no flaws or issues from the past or present.

I know UTV aren't perfect but GAA people need to learn to take a bit of criticism of things that went on in the past and continute to go in in the present.  And if anyone tells me Kevin Lynch's is named after him because he captained them to an Intermediate Hurling Title they can go and jump.   
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 25, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.

Dear Mr ******,
 
Thank you for your email regarding UTV Live which I have past onto the News Editor for his information.
 
We appreciate when viewers take the time to contact us as your views are important and have been seen by UTV senior management.
 
Kind regards
 
Sarah
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Rois on November 25, 2009, 01:52:11 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.

Dear Mr ******,
 
Thank you for your email regarding UTV Live which I have past onto the News Editor for his information.
 
We appreciate when viewers take the time to contact us as your views are important and have been seen by UTV senior management.
 
Kind regards
 
Sarah

That's Sarah's spelling, not yours Ziggy? 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 25, 2009, 01:55:14 PM
I've just sent a complaint to UTV about it. Be interesting to see what reply I get, if any.

Dear Mr ******,
 
Thank you for your email regarding UTV Live which I have past onto the News Editor for his information.
 
We appreciate when viewers take the time to contact us as your views are important and have been seen by UTV senior management.
 
Kind regards
 
Sarah

That's Sarah's spelling, not yours Ziggy?

The only thing I edited was starring out my surname.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
Well as far as I know UTV will be taking a much more positive editorial slant on the GAA tonight.  I know it wasn't pretty to watch last night but you know the GAA isn't an all glorious organisaiton with absolutely no flaws or issues from the past or present.

I know UTV aren't perfect but GAA people need to learn to take a bit of criticism of things that went on in the past and continute to go in in the present.  And if anyone tells me Kevin Lynch's is named after him because he captained them to an Intermediate Hurling Title they can go and jump.   

It depends on whether UTV are going to follow up on why Winsor park and the IFA are a cold house for nationalists with Tony Fearon giving his opinions as facts.

just a bit of balanced journalism would be nice for a change.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 25, 2009, 10:53:19 PM
Last nights show was another joke and again underlined they have little interest in the gaa. Completely dominated by political association. In relation to Gregory Campbell, for a man who has no interest what so ever in gaelic games he spends some time talking about it. He said he could never imagine a unionist sport such as cricket or rugby having clubs named after loyalists. But its ok for the orange order to march hand in hand with loyalist bands through nationalist area's,I assume that's different as its culture and tradition!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 25, 2009, 10:56:55 PM
Bit better tonight although its hardly about the history of the gaa. If you were looking to know how many All Irelands Kerry won or that Killkenny play hurling this isnt the place to find out.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on November 25, 2009, 11:03:08 PM
Didn't watch it tonight out of protest. A bit better? How?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on November 26, 2009, 11:52:48 AM
Off the Fence are giving it a good showing today.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: tyroneboi on November 26, 2009, 05:52:12 PM
Was a better showing last night from them. Talked about the emergence of Ulster football in the early 90s up to the present day. Had contributions from Paddy Heaney, Enda Gormley and Diarmud Marsden. Only gripe was when it said at the end that Kerry and Cork have been dominating the past couple of years which wasn't the most well informed remark. Interesting to see what their final piece tonight will be like?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on November 26, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Last night was marginally better in so far as the recognised Donegal as being an Ulster county.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 26, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
Scary!!!

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6729.msg690940#msg690940
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 26, 2009, 06:46:14 PM
They had about 12 minutes to talk about the history of the gaa and gave 2 of them to that well know expert Gregory Campbell, great call. Maybe we'll get big Ian himself tonight.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on November 26, 2009, 07:54:39 PM
Gregory Campbell ... said he could never imagine a unionist sport such as cricket or rugby having clubs named after loyalists. But its ok for the orange order to march hand in hand with loyalist bands through nationalist area's,I assume that's different as its culture and tradition!

Why are you drawing an equivalence between the GAA and the Orange Order?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 26, 2009, 07:59:57 PM
Because he basically said the average unionist would not be associated with loyalist figures which isn't true.

They are using a a very small number of club names to beat the gaa with. As has been discussed before there is a good reason behind the Kevin Lynch name.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on November 26, 2009, 08:17:44 PM
No - he said certain sports wouldn't have clubs named after loyalists. I don't know whether that's true or not. But I know a few other things and one of them is that I'm not alone in being uncomfortable with the naming of clubs after political/paramilitary figures of any hue. Another is that it's a tactic of the enemies of the GAA to trot out the OO as the unionist equivalent of the GAA when there is not a single point of convergence I can think of between a voluntary community development organisation and a sectarian organisation that exists solely to denigrate the religion of a signficant proportion of the community. To see GAA people advancing the same proposition is depressing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: windyshepardhenderson on November 26, 2009, 08:51:42 PM
I don't see why Mr Campbell feel's he is any position to comment on the naming of GAA grounds when
a. he has absolutely no interest in the GAA regardless
b. he supports (quite possibly) the most bigotted, sectarian, rascist club in western Europe
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 26, 2009, 09:52:09 PM
No - he said certain sports wouldn't have clubs named after loyalists. I don't know whether that's true or not. But I know a few other things and one of them is that I'm not alone in being uncomfortable with the naming of clubs after political/paramilitary figures of any hue. Another is that it's a tactic of the enemies of the GAA to trot out the OO as the unionist equivalent of the GAA when there is not a single point of convergence I can think of between a voluntary community development organisation and a sectarian organisation that exists solely to denigrate the religion of a signficant proportion of the community. To see GAA people advancing the same proposition is depressing.

My point was that Campbell was being a hypocrite and I was not saying the gaa is the equivalent of the orange order. He is quite happy to support the orange order who regularly march along with loyalist bands but he criticises the gaa for having a very small minority of clubs named after local people who happened to be republicans.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: the green man on November 26, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
Did I just hear Paul Clarke saying that the GAA is moving away from being a sectarian organisation?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 26, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
Did he not say its moving from being a non sectarian organisation to an anti sectarian organisation. Although it still took a political link tonight the 3rd and 4th parts have been a lot more balanced.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: the green man on November 26, 2009, 11:04:01 PM
Possibly. I wasn't really listening. I watch the first one, wasn't overly impressed, and this one. It seemed to be a history of the GAA in relation to NI rather than a celebration of 125.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: longrunsthefox on November 26, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
That was cringeworthy tonight with Tom Daly giving cheesy smiles anytime Basil McCrea said something remotely positive about the GAA. Do you really need his approval?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on December 01, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
Haven't seen this posted anywhere else:

Season Ticket presents a special profile on Armagh and Crossmaglen Gaelic footballer Oisin McConville on Wednesday, December 2 on BBC1 NI at 2245 GMT.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/season_ticket/8380260.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on December 06, 2009, 02:35:07 PM
Spillane is a top quality pundit. He was saying in the Sunday World today that Paddy O'Rourke's best acheivement was a win v Tyrone in the 2008 championship.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: gerry on March 03, 2010, 06:07:13 PM
Slow news today as tv3 have paying county managers as their lead story on their evening news.

Even dessie had his word in.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 14, 2010, 04:27:16 PM
If you want proper GAA coverage, don't ask the BBC!

If you want to know all the scorers from a National League game, don't ask the BBC!

If there's some shit to be stirred the BBC's your man!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8565401.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 14, 2010, 11:50:42 PM
If you want proper GAA coverage, don't ask the BBC!

If you want to know all the scorers from a National League game, don't ask the BBC!

If there's some shit to be stirred the BBC's your man!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8565401.stm
Eh, they're miles ahead of any other media outlet for scores/results, they have a short write-up on all the league games involving Ulster teams (not just those in the top two divisions), they've got other videos at the minute with Paddy O'Rourke and Conor McManus, they have photos from last night's and today's games (including a photo of Armagh v London hurlers), they have coverage of the McRory Cup and St Gall's... now compare that to other media outlets. RTÉ wouldn't come within a mile of that.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 15, 2010, 12:07:54 AM
If you want proper GAA coverage, don't ask the BBC!

If you want to know all the scorers from a National League game, don't ask the BBC!

If there's some shit to be stirred the BBC's your man!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8565401.stm
Eh, they're miles ahead of any other media outlet for scores/results, they have a short write-up on all the league games involving Ulster teams (not just those in the top two divisions), they've got other videos at the minute with Paddy O'Rourke and Conor McManus, they have photos from last night's and today's games (including a photo of Armagh v London hurlers), they have coverage of the McRory Cup and St Gall's... now compare that to other media outlets. RTÉ wouldn't come within a mile of that.

I always suspect they show the MacRory Cup because that allows them to lord it round at Ravenhill later on without claims of bias. Maybe I'm wrong? They do write reports but what's the problem with putting up a teamsheet and all the scorers for each game? Never mentioned RTE in my post.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 15, 2010, 12:42:57 AM
Couple of days ago we were saying the bubble might have burst and now we are All-Ireland contenders. Don't get ahead of ourselves fellas.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 15, 2010, 06:24:58 PM
If you want proper GAA coverage, don't ask the BBC!

If you want to know all the scorers from a National League game, don't ask the BBC!

If there's some shit to be stirred the BBC's your man!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8565401.stm
Eh, they're miles ahead of any other media outlet for scores/results, they have a short write-up on all the league games involving Ulster teams (not just those in the top two divisions), they've got other videos at the minute with Paddy O'Rourke and Conor McManus, they have photos from last night's and today's games (including a photo of Armagh v London hurlers), they have coverage of the McRory Cup and St Gall's... now compare that to other media outlets. RTÉ wouldn't come within a mile of that.

I always suspect they show the MacRory Cup because that allows them to lord it round at Ravenhill later on without claims of bias. Maybe I'm wrong?
Equality is a real bitch, isn't it. Some people would rather a bit of discrimination - gives them something to complain about. Who cares why they show the MacRory Cup? They show it - you can watch it - is that not enough? And what's the problem with the BBC covering a schools' game in Ravenhill anyway?

They do write reports but what's the problem with putting up a teamsheet and all the scorers for each game?
Now you're just getting too picky. There are dedicated GAA sites if you need more information and what all the detail.

Never mentioned RTE in my post.
You didn't. But as you were criticising the BBC, I was wondering who you think is doing a better job. Where are you getting better GAA coverage? Where are you getting scorers from your league games?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 15, 2010, 08:29:31 PM
If you want proper GAA coverage, don't ask the BBC!

If you want to know all the scorers from a National League game, don't ask the BBC!

If there's some shit to be stirred the BBC's your man!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/8565401.stm
Eh, they're miles ahead of any other media outlet for scores/results, they have a short write-up on all the league games involving Ulster teams (not just those in the top two divisions), they've got other videos at the minute with Paddy O'Rourke and Conor McManus, they have photos from last night's and today's games (including a photo of Armagh v London hurlers), they have coverage of the McRory Cup and St Gall's... now compare that to other media outlets. RTÉ wouldn't come within a mile of that.

I always suspect they show the MacRory Cup because that allows them to lord it round at Ravenhill later on without claims of bias. Maybe I'm wrong?
Equality is a real bitch, isn't it. Some people would rather a bit of discrimination - gives them something to complain about. Who cares why they show the MacRory Cup? They show it - you can watch it - is that not enough? And what's the problem with the BBC covering a schools' game in Ravenhill anyway?

They do write reports but what's the problem with putting up a teamsheet and all the scorers for each game?
Now you're just getting too picky. There are dedicated GAA sites if you need more information and what all the detail.

Never mentioned RTE in my post.
You didn't. But as you were criticising the BBC, I was wondering who you think is doing a better job. Where are you getting better GAA coverage? Where are you getting scorers from your league games?

Back to my point. There is no one better at sh1t stirring than the BBC when it comes to the GAA. I agree with you there.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: stiffler on March 15, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
Couple of days ago we were saying the bubble might have burst and now we are All-Ireland contenders. Don't get ahead of ourselves fellas.

?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: stiffler on March 15, 2010, 09:50:58 PM
Maguire you seem to defend the BBC at every opportunity. Are you an employee?!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 15, 2010, 09:53:24 PM
Couple of days ago we were saying the bubble might have burst and now we are All-Ireland contenders. Don't get ahead of ourselves fellas.

?

Oops, I guess I posted this in the wrong thread. Jeezs, I'm all over the shop today.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 15, 2010, 11:20:07 PM
Maguire you seem to defend the BBC at every opportunity. Are you an employee?!
Not at all. I just find the constant moaning for the sake of it a bit tiring.

I have no problem saying that there's room for improvement, especially with the Newsline content, where they like a bit of scandal above the standard match previews and reports - although that's probably what 'sells' for a mainstream audience. But I don't really see who's doing a better job. I know whenever I'm looking for results/team announcements etc, i'll go to the BBC site before most others.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 16, 2010, 12:24:24 AM
I personally think the BBC's coverage has improved loads in the past year or so, especially it's online coverage. Sure on Saturday night, Aertel had the result of the Tyrone v Cork game as Tyrone 0-16 Cork 3-09 for a while.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 16, 2010, 12:37:57 AM
Maguire you seem to defend the BBC at every opportunity. Are you an employee?!
Not at all. I just find the constant moaning for the sake of it a bit tiring.

I have no problem saying that there's room for improvement, especially with the Newsline content, where they like a bit of scandal above the standard match previews and reports - although that's probably what 'sells' for a mainstream audience. But I don't really see who's doing a better job. I know whenever I'm looking for results/team announcements etc, i'll go to the BBC site before most others.

So you're moaning about me moaning. Fair enough!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: omagh_gael on March 16, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
Unbelievable! Did anyone see BBC newsline preview of Mac Rory cup? Thirty seconds basically laughing at the fact the the CBS's principal won't be able to enter the pitch if they win because he's suspended for 48 weeks for abusing a referee!!

Not one mention of anything to do with the match!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Shortso79 on March 16, 2010, 09:33:21 PM
and not a mention of st galls either
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Orior on March 16, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
and not a mention of st galls either

Yet UTV did a good bit on it
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: stiffler on March 16, 2010, 10:26:55 PM
and not a mention of st galls either

Yet UTV did a good bit on it

sure bbc do the best gaa reporting  ::)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: never kickt a ball on March 19, 2010, 12:35:33 AM
Unbelievable! Did anyone see BBC newsline preview of Mac Rory cup? Thirty seconds basically laughing at the fact the the CBS's principal won't be able to enter the pitch if they win because he's suspended for 48 weeks for abusing a referee!!

Not one mention of anything to do with the match!!

According to Mr Sidebottom they were following up a story generated from a call to the newsdesk at BBC Ulster which informed them about a ban that the Principal was serving and would finish in 5 weeks time.

Right guys/girls ring in your stories and results from now on.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ardmhachaabu on March 19, 2010, 12:58:13 AM
Unbelievable! Did anyone see BBC newsline preview of Mac Rory cup? Thirty seconds basically laughing at the fact the the CBS's principal won't be able to enter the pitch if they win because he's suspended for 48 weeks for abusing a referee!!

Not one mention of anything to do with the match!!

According to Mr Sidebottom they were following up a story generated from a call to the newsdesk at BBC Ulster which informed them about a ban that the Principal was serving and would finish in 5 weeks time.
Disgraceful
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Jimmy ONeill on March 25, 2010, 12:22:42 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm) - no sign of a mention never mind an update or a result about any of the four U-21 games tonight. Combined attendance in the thousands.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on March 25, 2010, 01:48:12 AM
Talking Balls has learned that the BBC has sent a camera crew to Kiltegan in Co Carlow to film a television documentary about the local GAA club.

It is understood that despite the presence in Ulster of 580 GAA clubs, the BBC decided to go south for their feature.

That’s the sort of community focused approach that makes the BBC the organisation it is today. Maybe it made so much money out of Iris Robinson that it wants to spread
its wings and head for pastures anew. I wonder how many people in Kiltegan pay their licence fee?.

A BBBC spokesman confirmed: “Every time we feature a local club we show them in a  fight of some description. Noel Thompson loves nothing better than to lead the news on a Monday night with exclusive footage of two sets of GAA boys batin the shite out of one another. This sort of coverage will be different. Southern clubs are that bit more respectable.”

The Kiltegan GAA club was apparently picked because the club doesn’t have the facilities of other clubs and therefore made a better story. This is the same BBC that wouldn’t venture south of the border to cover matches involving Ulster teams in Croke Park. Shower of hoors.

But, then again maybe this is the start of something big.

Meanwhile over in Havelock House,  news has emerged that UTV and Logie have settled their difference, or rather have settled something. Some of you will remember that amidst its cutbacks last year and, in a bid to make it easier for the tumbleweeds to blow up and down the corridors of power at UTV, they terminated Logie. For many he is the face of GAA in the Nort. With him and Jerome out of the picture, things are different to say the least!

We don’t know whether it was because Logie wanted to go and make a programme about Kiltegan GAA club. But perhaps if they hadn’t been so quick to get rid of the resident GAA expert their 125 coverage wouldn’t have been as bad.

Anyway, here’s to the BBC and all who sail in her. And here’s to UTV and especially Jackie Fullerton, the worst and worst made up sports reporter we’ve ever seen.

Sourced Squareball.com (http://www.squareball.com/blog/2010/03/12/bbc-and-utv-what-a-pair/)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 25, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
On Monday night UTV - spent more air time on Rangers winning the League Cup in Scotland than the entire National League round up.

Why do they show scottish soccer during sports reports on local news??
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: 5 Sams on March 25, 2010, 11:33:47 AM
Radio Ulster did a feature on great sports commentators the other morning in the wake (NPI) of Harry Carpenter's death. The usual names were mentioned but did anyone else hear yer man Carruthers attempting to pronounce MÓM's name? :(
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on March 25, 2010, 11:45:54 AM
It was me that texted in Micheal O'Muircheartaigh.  Amazed they read it out.  As usual a general sports feature ignores gaa
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on April 22, 2010, 12:03:37 PM
http://vimeo.com/channels/101514 (http://vimeo.com/channels/101514) - a bit of deserved profile for the start of the Antrim Hurling Leagues last night, Ballycran beating Portaferry. They don't get much mention anywhere outside the local papers.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 01, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
Anybody know what games are on this Summer on RTÉ and TV3?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thejuice on May 01, 2010, 09:10:13 PM
RTE have a job vacancies for a Gaelic Games Correspondent,

http://www.rte.ie/about/jobs/listing.html
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: sammymaguire on May 02, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
RTE have a job vacancies for a Gaelic Games Correspondent,

http://www.rte.ie/about/jobs/listing.html

Jerome might be interested?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on May 02, 2010, 06:17:11 PM
He should have no problems with the previous employer reference.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: sammymaguire on May 03, 2010, 12:20:28 PM
He should have no problems with the previous employer reference.

 :D ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 03, 2010, 12:45:22 PM
He should have no problems with the previous employer reference.

Ulster GAA?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on May 03, 2010, 01:06:40 PM
He should have no problems with the previous employer reference.

Ulster GAA?
I don't think he was an employee of Ulster GAA.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 03, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
He should have no problems with the previous employer reference.

Ulster GAA?
I don't think he was an employee of Ulster GAA.

He was hired by the Ulster GAA to do videos for The Land of Giants branding they had last summer for the Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on May 03, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Firstly, my initial comment was tongue in cheek. Secondly, doing a piece of work for the Ulster Council doesn't make him an employee - I assume it was a contracted piece of work.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 03, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
Firstly, my initial comment was tongue in cheek. Secondly, doing a piece of work for the Ulster Council doesn't make him an employee - I assume it was a contracted piece of work.

Sorry, didn't realise it was tongue in cheek. Strictly speaking, yes he wasn't an employee. Could get a glowing reference ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: omagh_gael on May 04, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
Ziggy I'm surprised you're not on here apocalyptic with rage following the downright disgraceful lack of Tv coverage following Greencastle's maiden league point being secured in the Tyrone senior ACL div 1???!!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 04, 2010, 12:06:30 PM
Ziggy I'm surprised you're not on here apocalyptic with rage following the downright disgraceful lack of Tv coverage following Greencastle's maiden league point being secured in the Tyrone senior ACL div 1???!!!!

Word is out and I'm expecting the media to be out in full force at Greencastle on Saturday afternoon. We're going for the full points this weekend. Scared? ;)
 
:D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: CMAC_AN_DUN on May 04, 2010, 03:25:32 PM
a few predictions on the opening games of the Ulster Championship on UTV website www.u.tv . They're up a bit early, but with fairly good reason!  link below

http://www.u.tv/Blogs/Colm-McAlinden/Wedding-Daze/7a849066-b018-45ea-9ae1-c2de53bb6dfa

blog is up every Monday, but may well be missing for a couple of weeks, for reasons detailed inside!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 04, 2010, 03:58:08 PM
a few predictions on the opening games of the Ulster Championship on UTV website www.u.tv . They're up a bit early, but with fairly good reason!  link below

http://www.u.tv/Blogs/Colm-McAlinden/Wedding-Daze/7a849066-b018-45ea-9ae1-c2de53bb6dfa

blog is up every Monday, but may well be missing for a couple of weeks, for reasons detailed inside!

Thanks Colm ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Ulick on May 28, 2010, 01:28:15 PM
According to the Gaelic Life today, the BBC pulled the Armagh Derry game from the iPlayer and have launched an "investigation" into commentator Shane King's remark that an Armagh player went down as though hit by a sniper. The action follows complaints from DUPs William Irwin and Gregory Campbell.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: cornafean on May 28, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
According to the Gaelic Life today, the BBC pulled the Armagh Derry game from the iPlayer and have launched an "investigation" into commentator Shane King's remark that an Armagh player went down as though hit by a sniper. The action follows complaints from DUPs William Irwin and Gregory Campbell.

Pathetic stuff.

I wonder what comment will spark off next week's investigation?

"Coulter shoots..."
"Murphy shows no mercy..."
"Durcan never saw that shot coming..."
"Gallagher goes in like a tank..."
"At this stage of the game, Donegal are dead and buried..."
"Cassidy leaves Gordon for dead"

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Ulick on May 28, 2010, 02:54:14 PM

I wonder what comment will spark off next week's investigation?


"One Shot Paddy (McGrath) takes Down Wee James on his debut"
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on May 28, 2010, 03:12:29 PM
http://vimeo.com/channels/101514 (http://vimeo.com/channels/101514) - a bit of deserved profile for the start of the Antrim Hurling Leagues last night, Ballycran beating Portaferry. They don't get much mention anywhere outside the local papers.

Are you taking the piss?

They don't even get a mention in the local papers and I'm including the Down recorder in that.
I know its 2010 but it'll be a cold day in hell when the likes of the Newtownards Cronicle report on the hurling.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on May 28, 2010, 03:13:16 PM
According to the Gaelic Life today, the BBC pulled the Armagh Derry game from the iPlayer and have launched an "investigation" into commentator Shane King's remark that an Armagh player went down as though hit by a sniper. The action follows complaints from DUPs William Irwin and Gregory Campbell.

He said a wee bit more than that. From memory, it was something about sniper at work signs (as in there should be one on the terrace or maybe there's a sniper at work sign), but xx went down as if ... etc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Ulick on May 28, 2010, 03:15:36 PM
He said a wee bit more than that. From memory, it was something about sniper at work signs (as in there should be one on the terrace or maybe there's a sniper at work sign), but xx went down as if ... etc.

You could be right, didn't hear it - just going by today's Gaelic Life.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on May 28, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
Quote
The action follows complaints from DUPs William Irwin and Gregory Campbell.

Good to see that these "gentlemen" are watching GAA in order to find something to be offended about.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ziggysego on May 28, 2010, 05:46:38 PM
Ah sure it's nothing compared to what Brolly said on RTE before the Derry v Monaghan game in 2008. After Tommy Freeman (I think it was) shot himself in the hand with a nail gun in the week up to the match. Brolly laughed saying that Monaghan men were a great helped to us in the north during the war, but everyone knew never to give them a gun!

No complains.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 29, 2010, 12:00:17 PM
I was listening to Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh commentating on the Galway Sligo match heading into town on the bus there on Sunday. He was his usual eloquent self, cutting to stories of Caoimhe who's in the Gaeltacht at the moment and the usual bits & bobs he throws in. Next thing who comes roaring in nearly cutting him off but John fecking Maughan, wtf? I know Brian Carty has been teamed up with an "analyst" recently (lets face it, that can hardly disimprove the commentary) but why in the name of Jaysus are RTÉ imposing an "analyst" on Mícheál? He's been head and shoulders above everyone else in RTÉ since Mícheál O'Hehir hung up his microphone & now they're doing their level best to piss off one of the best commentators we've ever had the pleasure to listen to. I bumped into Joe Umbrella later on that night and he says that Mícheál hates the fact that after so many years of doing things the one way that he now has an "analyst" imposed on him. And he'll cut across the "analyst" if he gets an opportunity. Fair play Mícheál, cop on RTÉ!!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on June 29, 2010, 02:37:16 PM
Have you heard Tony Considine playing "analyst" to Micheál on the hurling commentaries? God help us.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 29, 2010, 02:45:58 PM
Have you heard Tony Considine playing "analyst" to Micheál on the hurling commentaries? God help us.

It gets worse...


Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: eastern_gael on June 29, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
Have to agree croi. John Maughan of all the lugs. Im sure the great man was well impressed when he was told he had that lad beside him butting in. Had the pleasure of meeting him once upon a time and he is an utter gent, couldn't give enough of his time to anybody who fancies chewing the cud with him. Done a bit of a voice over for a charity gig in our club. Legend
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2010, 06:11:23 PM
Taken from the hoganstand:

Meath's demolition of Dublin in Sunday's Leinster SFC semi-final attracted more TV viewers than England's World Cup clash with Germany.

TV3 has revealed that 528,000 watched their coverage of Meath's 5-9 to 0-13 victory over their old rivals. By comparison, 400,000 watched Germany's 4-1 rout of England in Bloemfontein on RTE.

Meanwhile, rugby commentator Ryle Nugent has been appointed RTE group head of sport with immediate effect. Nugent succeeds Glen Killane, who was recently appointed managing director of RTE television.


Interesting given the huge hype behind the world cup and the media obsession with it.
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Post by: Any craic on July 01, 2010, 06:07:01 PM
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/http:// - Tyrone now have their own TV.
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Post by: Wee Shea on July 01, 2010, 06:54:01 PM
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/http:// - Tyrone now have their own TV.

Do they share it about the county? Is there a rota for this TV?
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Post by: armaghniac on July 01, 2010, 10:59:45 PM
Quote
Do they share it about the county? Is there a rota for this TV?

It only goes to those districts which have electricity.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: snoopdog on July 02, 2010, 01:47:33 PM
Taken from the hoganstand:

Meath's demolition of Dublin in Sunday's Leinster SFC semi-final attracted more TV viewers than England's World Cup clash with Germany.

TV3 has revealed that 528,000 watched their coverage of Meath's 5-9 to 0-13 victory over their old rivals. By comparison, 400,000 watched Germany's 4-1 rout of England in Bloemfontein on RTE.

Meanwhile, rugby commentator Ryle Nugent has been appointed RTE group head of sport with immediate effect. Nugent succeeds Glen Killane, who was recently appointed managing director of RTE television.


Interesting given the huge hype behind the world cup and the media obsession with it.

No suprise it went to a rugby man. D4 press always lead with Rugby it gets number 1 billing ahead of everything else. Even though Gaelic football is the countries number 1 sport the egg chasers if playing always get the nod.
Sickening, sooner they go back to their mediocrity the better.

And another thing while im on my Rugby rant. One of the best GAA schools in the country St Colmans Newry current Hogan Cup holders  now allow Rugby, in my day they wouldntr even allow hurling.
Wheres the skill in holding a ball running with it or hoping on top of some lad.
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Post by: GBXII on July 02, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
What an ignorant comment.
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Post by: The Voice Of Reason on July 02, 2010, 10:40:32 PM
Talking of commentators ... anyone think that Martin Kiely on RTÉ radio is a bit of a legend? He certainly passes the passion test - really enjoy listening to him commentate on matches on the Saturday evening or Sunday morning
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Post by: Maguire01 on July 03, 2010, 12:02:12 PM
Taken from the hoganstand:

Meath's demolition of Dublin in Sunday's Leinster SFC semi-final attracted more TV viewers than England's World Cup clash with Germany.

TV3 has revealed that 528,000 watched their coverage of Meath's 5-9 to 0-13 victory over their old rivals. By comparison, 400,000 watched Germany's 4-1 rout of England in Bloemfontein on RTE.

Meanwhile, rugby commentator Ryle Nugent has been appointed RTE group head of sport with immediate effect. Nugent succeeds Glen Killane, who was recently appointed managing director of RTE television.


Interesting given the huge hype behind the world cup and the media obsession with it.

No suprise it went to a rugby man. D4 press always lead with Rugby it gets number 1 billing ahead of everything else. Even though Gaelic football is the countries number 1 sport the egg chasers if playing always get the nod.
Sickening, sooner they go back to their mediocrity the better.

And another thing while im on my Rugby rant. One of the best GAA schools in the country St Colmans Newry current Hogan Cup holders  now allow Rugby, in my day they wouldntr even allow hurling.
Wheres the skill in holding a ball running with it or hoping on top of some lad.
Idiotic post.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
What's the odds on the BBC and UTV venturing outside of Ulster football in their 'sports' coverage over the next day or two?
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Post by: 5 Sams on July 11, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
Its a cert that the carry on today in Croker will be top of the agenda on UTV Live and Newsline tonight
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Post by: ExiledGael on July 11, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
Cert, referee was a Tyrone man though so it's not without real foundation.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on July 11, 2010, 06:01:08 PM
could be wrong but is your man on bbc radio calling garath swift. garath smith?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: 5 Sams on July 11, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
I stand corrected...UTV didnt even mention it...fair play.  They also showed a few "highlights" of our game last night.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on July 11, 2010, 06:29:51 PM
I stand corrected...UTV didnt even mention it...fair play.  They also showed a few "highlights" of our game last night.
There's always tomorrow.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on July 11, 2010, 06:56:34 PM
give them a chance the footage will incur a charge
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Wee Shea on July 11, 2010, 07:37:29 PM
The incident was mentioned on the sports news at 6pm on BBC Radio Ulster...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Louth Exile on July 11, 2010, 10:39:12 PM
You can be sure they won't even mention the goal. All the coverage will be about the gobshites who hit Sludden!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on July 12, 2010, 06:43:27 PM
BBC Newsline - it's coming up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: 5 Sams on July 12, 2010, 06:59:46 PM
It wasnt mentioned in the headlines on Morning Ireland although they covered it later...however Good Morning Ulster had it right up front  :'(:'(
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Post by: Hardy on July 12, 2010, 07:02:42 PM
Top item on BBC Newsline sports section. they didn't mention e score in the game at all, so hardly sports coverage, really.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on July 12, 2010, 10:15:16 PM
why did rte re-show the dublin v tipperary game after the sunday game do they think people didnt see it on tv3, surely it would have made more sense to show one of the games that wasnt televised
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on July 13, 2010, 09:41:12 AM
Because Dublin were playing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on July 13, 2010, 11:04:57 AM
why did rte re-show the dublin v tipperary game after the sunday game do they think people didnt see it on tv3, surely it would have made more sense to show one of the games that wasnt televised
I didn't. I can't get TV3 - plenty of people in the north can't get it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on July 13, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
to tell you the truth maguire i dont think they did it for your benefit. not that your not important to rte you are a stakeholder to use bbc spiel
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Post by: DennistheMenace on July 14, 2010, 12:25:12 AM
I see the BBC still think Paddy Crozier is the Derry manager..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8808432.stm
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on July 18, 2010, 06:47:21 PM
Have to say Paul Early on TV3 gave the prediction of all pundits of the weekend. After 69 mins and the scores level in the Connacht Final he predicted that one of the 2 teams could win by a point or else it could be a draw. Mind blowing in his accuracy
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Post by: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 06:51:22 PM
What's up with Eugene Magee on the TV3 coverage?
He just stares at the desk while he's talking with a puss on him like he has a bad dose of piles.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: tyroneboi on July 18, 2010, 07:01:47 PM
What's up with Eugene Magee on the TV3 coverage?
He just stares at the desk while he's talking with a puss on him like he has a bad dose of piles.

He looks as if he doesn't want to be there and couldnt give a flying f**k who wins or loses!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 07:12:03 PM
He smiled at one point after the Meath-Dublin game and I nearly fell off the chair with the shock.
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Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 18, 2010, 10:37:39 PM
TV3 today after the Connaught Final didnt get back from the adds on time to see the presentation, and when the winning captain was speaking, Peter Canavan was talking. Pure crap.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 19, 2010, 12:01:25 AM
TV3 today after the Connaught Final didnt get back from the adds on time to see the presentation, and when the winning captain was speaking, Peter Canavan was talking. Pure crap.

Would you rather listen to it on the radio? Wise up. Matt and Peter are beter media performers than some of those RTE jokers. GAA viewers don't know how spoiled they are.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Jinxy on July 19, 2010, 12:49:33 AM
Have to say the TV3 panel are far better than the RTE crowd.
They actually analyse the match instead of coming out with sh*te like "This was a Jedward type of game" (Spillane).
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 06, 2010, 11:21:36 PM
Was reading match report on Leinster Munster in Star on Monday. The rugby reporter quoted the top watched programmes ever on tg4 (Celtic v Barcelona & NFL finals). He said that the viewing figures this week would make for interesting reading and that domestic rugby audiences could now take over gaa and Celtic soocer. Just noticed there on that sportnews website that they got an average audience fof 166,000 -
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/10/05/high-tv-audience-for-leinster-v-munster-magners-league-rugby/
Searched to see what best gaa show was on tg4 and it was league finals which had average audience of 220,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_(Ireland)

Also thought it was interesting on tg4 website that last week that Tyrone Dublin ladies final got 5 times audience share last week compared to live coverage of Connacht Ulster. Think these figures are interesting when you consider coverage given to both sports by RTE and newspapers especially from October to May.
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Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2010, 11:43:09 AM
Is the GAA season over ? Nothing newsworthy at the minute ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
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Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 07, 2010, 11:50:42 AM
Is the GAA season over ? Nothing newsworthy at the minute ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm

wait until C/more + Omagh have a bit of a dust up on Sat, then tune into BBC Newsline on Monday and it will be headlines
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Post by: fer fox ache on October 08, 2010, 12:28:58 PM
Lads apres match did the definitive take on BBC NI's sport coverage back in 2008. Had me pishing me bags laughing in work once again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN15IZGeMg
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on October 08, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
I caught a bit of Nolan when I was in the car this morning. Some fella had rang up and was giving off to Nolan about how the BBC's coverage of local soccer was disgraceful. He was telling how he stayed up to watch the news one night trecently to hear a result and they couldn't even read out the scores, and how there was no regular programme covering local soccer. He didn't mention the GAA but alluded to the comparison with what other sports get.

Now clearly he's biased, but probably no more than some people are on here. It's just interesting to hear another perception. The broadcasters - and in particular it seems, the BBC - clearly can't win.
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on December 26, 2010, 12:15:14 PM
It didn't show much action but thought the gaa review of the year on rte was pretty good last night. Some decent goals in the goal of the year comp on tg4 to.
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Post by: The Worker on December 26, 2010, 01:57:15 PM
It didn't show much action but thought the gaa review of the year on rte was pretty good last night. Some decent goals in the goal of the year comp on tg4 to.

pity the bbc doesnt do a show like this!
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 22, 2011, 10:28:23 AM
Hurling final draws biggest audience for RTÉ
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GAELIC GAMES: TELEVISION AUDIENCE figures released by RTÉ show Gaelic games accounted for three of the four most-watched sports broadcasts of 2010. All told, there are four GAA fixtures, four rugby internationals and two soccer internationals in the top 10.



Last September’s All-Ireland hurling final between Tipperary and Kilkenny attracted 979,000 viewers and was watched by more people than any other RTÉ programme apart from The Late Late Toy Show in December.

Number two in the sports list was the All-Ireland football final (770,000) between Cork and Down, a slightly unusual pecking order in that, according to RTÉ, football finals would draw bigger audiences seven years out of 10.

Third is the World Cup final (762,000), between Spain and the Netherlands in July, and one place behind, the Cork-Dublin All-Ireland semi-final in August (629,000).

“These are very good numbers for us and clearly show the importance of sport to the viewing public,” was the reaction of Ryle Nugent, RTÉ group head of sport. “Two of the top 10 sports programmes are also in the overall top 10 broadcasts and the World Cup final in July is just outside at number 11.”

Given the World Cup final was also being screened on BBC and UTV and the rugby internationals on BBC, RTÉ’s figures held up in the face of that competition (unofficial estimates put the ratios between RTÉ and other channels showing the same events as varying between 5:1 and 10:1).

“From our perspective it was very heartening that the national games were so well received,” says Nugent, “and that in respect of other sports, 60 per cent of the top 10, we had significant competition in our marketplace from the best funded and most technologically advanced sports broadcasters in Europe, if not in the world.

“So, credit goes to the editorial and production teams for making programmes the Irish public wants to watch and in 60 per cent of cases had significant competitive choice.”

Commenting on the strong showing of the hurling final, Nugent said the historical nature of the match had drawn in audience interest from beyond the dedicated sports viewer.

“When a significant event comes along and everybody’s talking about it then people tune in to watch it. The hurling final is a perfect example of that. Kilkenny’s five-in-a-row is what it was about. It went beyond being a sports story and became a national event, and although All-Ireland finals are always there or thereabouts, that’s why the hurling final attracted even more interest than usual.”

The figures also demonstrate the growing popularity of rugby, which in 2003 – the year before Ireland won its first Triple Crown of the professional era – could only manage one broadcast in the top 10 (the Grand Slam decider against England came fifth in the list with 504,000).

In 2010, Ireland’s Six Nations matches against France, England and Scotland, as well as the November international against New Zealand, were in at numbers four, five, six and 10 respectively.

“Since the structure of the professional game emerged in the Magners League, the Heineken Cup, the Six Nations and the World Cup that means that rugby isn’t just present for five weeks of the year,” Nugent said. “Rugby is the sport that’s developed its structures to the greatest extent over the past 10 or 15 years and the audience has followed.”

Although soccer’s representation by only two matches is low, the nature of last year distorted the picture a bit.

There were no qualification-defining internationals in the spring, as it was a World Cup year, and the current qualification group is short of box-office appeal. A year previously the World Cup qualifiers against Italy and France were among the most watched sports events of 2009.

THE third national GAA programme and memorabilia collectors’ fair takes place today at the Cardinal Ó Fiaich Library and Archive in Armagh (10.30am). There is no charge for entry.
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Post by: omagh_gael on January 22, 2011, 03:13:33 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2011, 05:49:29 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?
Nobody. Because the BBC never shows any GAA. Ever.
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Post by: Big Puff on January 22, 2011, 05:59:38 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?
Nobody. Because the BBC never shows any GAA. Ever.

sorry mr bbc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2011, 06:02:22 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?
Nobody. Because the BBC never shows any GAA. Ever.

sorry mr bbc.
What are you apologising for? You hadn't said anything.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: omagh_gael on January 22, 2011, 06:31:25 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?

Because they mentioned the split in viewing figures for the World cup final and Rugby internationals.

Only reason i can see why people would watch it on BBC would be the better picture (for a lot of people). On second thoughts they would have to listen to Sidearse so they'd put up with the bad reception!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
They never took into account the number of people from Ulster who would have watched the football final on BBC which would have brought the figures closer to the hurling figure. Impressive viewing for the Tipp v Killkenny game  all the same.

Why would they? Its RTE's viewing records they are talking about

Who'd watch it on BBC anyway?

Because they mentioned the split in viewing figures for the World cup final and Rugby internationals.

Only reason i can see why people would watch it on BBC would be the better picture (for a lot of people). On second thoughts they would have to listen to Sidearse so they'd put up with the bad reception!
Well there's also the fact that not everyone can get RTÉ.
Title: Credit to UTV
Post by: whiskeysteve on January 30, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
Fair play to UTV, was a pleasant surprise to hear they had over 7 minutes of highlights and a couple of interviews from yesterdays McKenna cup match between Derry and Antrim.

http://www.u.tv/Sport/Derry-through-to-McKenna-Cup-final/c248c3e3-cfe7-4acb-980e-78bb5aca396c

UTV's GAA coverage has been dire in the past, but just having a camera at the game and extended highlights online is an excellent step forward.

Credit to UTV if they can provide this service on a consistent basis from now on.
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Post by: armaghniac on January 30, 2011, 10:35:58 PM
UTV had decent "highlights" of the Armagh - St Marys game. Mind you the camera was in the new stand and the game looked like an Irish League game as the rest of the ground was empty.
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Post by: Redhand Santa on February 05, 2011, 11:37:30 PM
Great start to the leagues tonight. I found the league games on setanta far more entertaining than the soccer rugby earlier. RTE league highlights tomorrow night aren't on to 10.55 (I assume its due to FAI soccer awards) - shows their attitude to the gaa for most of the year.
Title: UTV lead the way again
Post by: whiskeysteve on February 08, 2011, 09:57:47 AM
Again, when RTE, BBC, TG4 don't have any coverage of Derry - Tyrone game at the weekend, UTV simply upload uncommentated extended highlights on their website. They also have extended highlights of Armagh - Dublin.

It costs little and does not interfere with airtime for rugby, soccer, etc, yet gives the GAA fans the extended coverage they want.

Fair play to UTV again, give the links plenty of hits and keep it up, hopefully the service can be extended to as many Ulster teams as possible for every round of matches.

Derry - Tyrone: http://www.u.tv/Sport/Derry-survive-to-beat-Tyrone/c8795c05-bd72-4697-bc14-7e4b5361d719

Armagh - Dublin: http://www.u.tv/Sport/Armagh-lose-opening-game-to-Dublin/9e047c11-f354-446a-8a60-acbd89a9b416
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Post by: orangeman on March 16, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
Derry GAA star Eoin Bradley admits assaulting referee
GAA player, Eoin Bradley, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court. A GAA star from Kilrea in County Londonderry has been ordered to pay compensation after he admitted assaulting a referee.

Eoin Bradley, who is 27 and plays for Glenullin, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court on Wednesday.

Bradley shouldered and punched the referee in the face after a quarter-final championship game on 8 August 2010.

A defence solicitor said Bradley had apologised for his actions.

He said that during the match personal remarks had been made and Bradley also felt that some unfair decisions had been taken.

The solicitor said that Bradley was still "pumped up" when he approached the referee, but the attack did not happen in front of spectators.

He said he accepted that he shouldered him and words were exchanged but he said his client never meant to punch him, but instead to push him in the face.

The injured party attended hospital where redness and slight swelling were detected on his face.

The solicitor said that Bradley had already been punished by the GAA by being banned for six months.

This had cost him the opportunity to play for Ireland under the International Rules series.

The District Judge, Paul Copeland, said when incidents like this came as far as the criminal system it showed how seriously the authorities and the sport were taking them.

"Bradley's actions have brought himself and his sport into disrepute," he said.

Judge Copeland bound Bradley over to be of good behaviour for a period of two years on a surety of £500 and ordered him to pay the referee £500 in compensation.
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Post by: The Worker on March 16, 2011, 05:48:47 PM
Is the cross game on bbc tomorrow?

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Post by: Feckitt on March 16, 2011, 06:04:15 PM
No, the BBC are showing the McRory cup final live between St Colmans Newry, and St Patricks Dungannon. 

Rangers v St Brigids is then live on TG4.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The Worker on March 16, 2011, 06:08:47 PM
No, the BBC are showing the McRory cup final live between St Colmans Newry, and St Patricks Dungannon. 

Rangers v St Brigids is then live on TG4.

wouldnt have been hard to show both
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on March 16, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
Quote
wouldnt have been hard to show both

People in Cross haven't always been to the fore in paying for the oul TV licence.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: angermanagement on March 16, 2011, 07:31:44 PM
No, the BBC are showing the McRory cup final live between St Colmans Newry, and St Patricks Dungannon. 

Rangers v St Brigids is then live on TG4.

wouldnt have been hard to show both

TG4 bought exclusive rights to show these games as with all GAA competitions Broadcasters just can't show a much when they feel like it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on March 16, 2011, 09:21:51 PM
Pretty much everyone can pick up TG4 in the North anyway, as they also broadcast from Divis.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on March 16, 2011, 10:16:19 PM
Derry GAA star Eoin Bradley admits assaulting referee
GAA player, Eoin Bradley, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court. A GAA star from Kilrea in County Londonderry has been ordered to pay compensation after he admitted assaulting a referee.

Eoin Bradley, who is 27 and plays for Glenullin, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court on Wednesday.

Bradley shouldered and punched the referee in the face after a quarter-final championship game on 8 August 2010.

A defence solicitor said Bradley had apologised for his actions.

He said that during the match personal remarks had been made and Bradley also felt that some unfair decisions had been taken.

The solicitor said that Bradley was still "pumped up" when he approached the referee, but the attack did not happen in front of spectators.

He said he accepted that he shouldered him and words were exchanged but he said his client never meant to punch him, but instead to push him in the face.

The injured party attended hospital where redness and slight swelling were detected on his face.

The solicitor said that Bradley had already been punished by the GAA by being banned for six months.

This had cost him the opportunity to play for Ireland under the International Rules series.

The District Judge, Paul Copeland, said when incidents like this came as far as the criminal system it showed how seriously the authorities and the sport were taking them.

"Bradley's actions have brought himself and his sport into disrepute," he said.

Judge Copeland bound Bradley over to be of good behaviour for a period of two years on a surety of £500 and ordered him to pay the referee £500 in compensation.
Is this a first?
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Post by: orangeman on March 17, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
Fighting at Belfast school football finalFighting broke out at the conclusion of the Belfast Schools Cup final at Ballyskeagh on Thursday.

Belfast Boys Model School were playing St Mary's Christian Brothers Grammar School, Belfast.

Police said they received a report of a disturbance involving players and spectators at the Lisburn Distillery Football ground.

St Mary's won the game 4-3 with a last-minute penalty. The trouble reportedly broke out soon after.

The PSNI attended the scene and took the details of those involved
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Post by: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
Derry GAA star Eoin Bradley admits assaulting referee
GAA player, Eoin Bradley, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court. A GAA star from Kilrea in County Londonderry has been ordered to pay compensation after he admitted assaulting a referee.

Eoin Bradley, who is 27 and plays for Glenullin, appeared at Limavady Magistrates Court on Wednesday.

Bradley shouldered and punched the referee in the face after a quarter-final championship game on 8 August 2010.

A defence solicitor said Bradley had apologised for his actions.

He said that during the match personal remarks had been made and Bradley also felt that some unfair decisions had been taken.

The solicitor said that Bradley was still "pumped up" when he approached the referee, but the attack did not happen in front of spectators.

He said he accepted that he shouldered him and words were exchanged but he said his client never meant to punch him, but instead to push him in the face.

The injured party attended hospital where redness and slight swelling were detected on his face.

The solicitor said that Bradley had already been punished by the GAA by being banned for six months.

This had cost him the opportunity to play for Ireland under the International Rules series.

The District Judge, Paul Copeland, said when incidents like this came as far as the criminal system it showed how seriously the authorities and the sport were taking them.

"Bradley's actions have brought himself and his sport into disrepute," he said.

Judge Copeland bound Bradley over to be of good behaviour for a period of two years on a surety of £500 and ordered him to pay the referee £500 in compensation.
Is this a first?
Did you see the tr**p in the Irish News crying about a photographer taking his photo? For some reason he then took a photo of the photographer on his phone. Maybe he's planning on pushing him in the face too!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaffer on March 17, 2011, 08:41:04 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2011, 08:50:04 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else

There are not assaults of match officials every day of the week by inter county players, these fellas are happy enough to have their photos in the Irish News when they are getting married so when things go belly up you can't really expect privacy.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaffer on March 17, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else

There are not assaults of match officials every day of the week by inter county players, these fellas are happy enough to have their photos in the Irish News when they are getting married so when things go belly up you can't really expect privacy.

I didn't say there was. Talking about common assaults in general !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2011, 09:32:41 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else

There are not assaults of match officials every day of the week by inter county players, these fellas are happy enough to have their photos in the Irish News when they are getting married so when things go belly up you can't really expect privacy.

I didn't say there was. Talking about common assaults in general !

I agree, common assault is very common  :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2011, 11:14:19 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else
What a crap argument. Are you pissed? Joe Public assaulting someone isn't newsworthy, a prominent footballer and public figure assaulting someone is. Not complicated.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 11:01:38 AM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else
What a crap argument. Are you pissed? Joe Public assaulting someone isn't newsworthy, a prominent footballer and public figure assaulting someone is. Not complicated.

It s a good argument.

He s a good footballer so he deserves it, you think?

He is a member of the public, is he not?

Don t touch alcohol BTW !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 11:08:51 AM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else
What a crap argument. Are you pissed? Joe Public assaulting someone isn't newsworthy, a prominent footballer and public figure assaulting someone is. Not complicated.

It s a good argument and it's my opinion !

He s a good footballer so he deserves it, you think?

He is a member of the public, is he not?

It's clear you don't like him, Tony , even before the case

Don t touch alcohol BTW !


Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 02:34:03 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else
What a crap argument. Are you pissed? Joe Public assaulting someone isn't newsworthy, a prominent footballer and public figure assaulting someone is. Not complicated.

It s a good argument.

He s a good footballer so he deserves it, you think?

He is a member of the public, is he not?

Don t touch alcohol BTW !
Or apostrophes.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 03:09:03 PM
Bradley did right.

There are assault cases everyday of the week, alot more serious than in this case.

If they are going to stick his foto in the Irish News then do it for every case then,

 He does not deserve to be treated differently to anyone else
What a crap argument. Are you pissed? Joe Public assaulting someone isn't newsworthy, a prominent footballer and public figure assaulting someone is. Not complicated.

It s a good argument.

He s a good footballer so he deserves it, you think?

He is a member of the public, is he not?

Don t touch alcohol BTW !
Or apostrophes.

Naw,  Too lazy to use the 2 hands at that time  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on April 03, 2011, 07:42:26 PM
Couldn't help but notice live TV coverage of the Portadown-Distillery Cup Final yesterday in the same week that the Ulster U-21 trilogy between Tyrone and Down received zero TV coverage. One report says there was a 'bumper crowd' at the soccer game, another says Portadown had 1500 fans. There was more than 3000 at the U-21 game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on April 03, 2011, 07:45:07 PM
Couldn't help but notice live TV coverage of the Portadown-Distillery Cup Final yesterday in the same week that the Ulster U-21 trilogy between Tyrone and Down received zero TV coverage. One report says there was a 'bumper crowd' at the soccer game, another says Portadown had 1500 fans. There was more than 3000 at the U-21 game.
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Surprised ?

You definitely shouldn't be.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Denn Forever on May 09, 2011, 10:49:16 AM
From Hoganstand.

BBC announces championship coverage
 
The cameras are set to roll on the 2011 GAA Football Championship
06 May 2011


BBC Northern Ireland has revealed its live television schedule for the forthcoming Ulster SFC.

Sunday week's preliminary round clash between Donegal and Antrim will kick-off their live match coverage for the summer. The Ulster SFC quarter-final between Armagh and Down on Saturday, May 28, which will go head-to-head with the Champions League final, will also be shown live, as will the two Ulster semi-finals on June 19 and June 29, and the Ulster final on July 17.



Deferred coverage will be shown of the other three quarter-finals - Derry v Fermanagh on May 22, Tyrone v Monaghan on June 5 and Cavan v Donegal/Antrim on June 12.

All matches involving Ulster counties in the All-Ireland quarter-finals and beyond will also be broadcast live, while BBC Radio Ulster will carry live coverage of all the games in the Ulster SFC.



Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on May 30, 2011, 05:20:15 PM
Credit where credit is due, I have been on this thread several times bemoaning the lack of coverage from BBC, but their championship programme on Saturday night was excellent.  I watched RTE's coverage after the match on Saturday night, and then watched it again on BBC on Sunday, and I have to say that BBC were streets ahead. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on July 10, 2011, 06:50:08 PM
That great supporter of Gaelic Games, UTV, have just announced that Down are in the next round of the qualifiers after beating Wicklow :o
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Maguire01 on July 22, 2011, 06:59:12 PM
BBC Newsline's preview of Tyrone v Armagh led by scenes of a scrap during a 2005 game. Presented by Mark Sidebottom. Absolutely shameful.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 22, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
Sure as long as they got to keep Darren Clarke as the main headline it will keep them happy. There will be more people at the match tomorrow than any Ulster or NI game in the north this year - yet there games would have lead the sports news all week.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: borderfox on July 22, 2011, 09:40:17 PM
Sure as long as they got to keep Darren Clarke as the main headline it will keep them happy. There will be more people at the match tomorrow than any Ulster or NI game in the north this year - yet there games would have lead the sports news all week.
  Some things never change
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: haze on July 24, 2011, 06:42:30 PM
Extended coverage of down cork game on now despite TV3 showing this live yesterday- you'd think  that logic would dictate that the extended highlights of Tyrone Armagh game should be in this slot. They'll probably show 10 mins max of action on the Sunday game of that game instead and even less of the other two qualifiers

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Fionntamhnach on July 24, 2011, 11:04:36 PM
Extended coverage of down cork game on now despite TV3 showing this live yesterday- you'd think  that logic would dictate that the extended highlights of Tyrone Armagh game should be in this slot. They'll probably show 10 mins max of action on the Sunday game of that game instead and even less of the other two qualifiers
Maybe TV3 didn't have cameras in Healy Park yesterday?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
Brolly and Davis going hammer and tongs at it on the Sunday Game now.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Gold on July 24, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Brolly and Davis going hammer and tongs at it on the Sunday Game now.

Hammer and tongs is right! Was great TV. Joe fairly rankled Tony but what Joe was saying was correct but Tony couldnt take it. Cork havent beaten Kerry in Croke Park in a big game recently and question marks will be with this Cork team until they beat Kerry.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Winnie Peg on December 27, 2011, 08:09:34 PM
Surprised  that BBC and UTV didn't seem as horrified about the violence between Portadown and Glenavon in Craigavon as they were about Dromore and Creggan. Will Wendy have a special "talkback" to discuss it?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on December 27, 2011, 08:12:34 PM
A steward suffered a broken cheekbone... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16335760.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16335760.stm)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: JUst retired on December 28, 2011, 07:08:50 AM
Knowing the history of these two  clubs supporters I would imagine this is UVF/LVF related between them. We will learn more with their nightly updates for the next week or so.You know how the BBC and UTV hate everything to do with soccer. ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on February 06, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
On UTV at 6.00pm now...

After the break, Armagh give All-Ireland Champions Corka scare in the National League ::).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on February 06, 2012, 06:28:47 PM
Ah jaysus, UTV are great craic when it comes to the GAA.  I used to give out about them, but at this stage it just makes me smile.

"It was a good weekend for the Ulster teams" she said.

By my count it was 4 defeats, 3 wins and a draw, but maybe the defeats for Donegal, Monackon and god forbid Cavan don't count on UTV.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on February 06, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
Quote
By my count it was 4 defeats, 3 wins and a draw, but maybe the defeats for Donegal, Monackon and god forbid Cavan don't count on UTV.

In fairness, a defeat for Cavan isn't even news in Cavan.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on February 13, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Good old UTV, they never let me down.

Last week they announced that Armagh gave All- Ireland Champions CORK a scare in the national league.

Now this week, they said that, Armagh beat 12-1 favourites and All-Ireland Champions KERRY.  Thats two All-Ireland champs we've beaten in  2 weeks.  Bring on the Dubs for the treble!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Rossfan on March 07, 2012, 07:19:04 PM
RTE News tripping over themselves tonight to tell us that GAA revenue was down €11m in 2011.

I notice in the GAA Financial report that the total attendances at the NFL and NHL was given as 369,000.
200 plus games spread over 3 months - time to re examine the role, structure and timing of the Leagues perhaps?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: magpie seanie on April 19, 2012, 11:44:15 AM
Are the live TV schedules for the championship out yet?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: subterranean saffron on May 10, 2012, 05:35:34 PM
Are the live TV schedules for the championship out yet?

Are they?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Sam2011 on May 10, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
This is the TV3 schedule:
Presented by Matt Cooper with a team of panelists, TV3 will broadcast nine live championship matches this summer including the provincial football finals in Munster, Connacht and Ulster. The pick of the All-Ireland qualifiers will be live on TV3 as well as two All-Ireland quarter-finals.

TV3 will also be live at Croke Park on both All-Ireland Sunday's to televise the All-Ireland minor Finals.

A new look GAA show will broadcast on TV3 and 3e throughout the championship while Ireland AM will begin the build up to the Gaelic Games weekends on Friday mornings with action and analysis every Monday morning.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 11, 2012, 10:38:25 AM
TV3 GAA Fixtures 2012

Date - Match - Competition -
3/6/2012 Dublin v Louth/Westmeath LSFC Q/F
1/7/2012 Dublin/Louth/Westmeath v Wexford/Longford/Laois LSFC S/F
8/7/2012 Munster Football Final MSFC
7/7/2012 Hurling Phase 2 Qualifier Possible
14/7/2012 Hurling Phase 3 / Football Round 2 Qualifier Possible
15/7/2012 Connacht Football Final CSFC
21/7/2012 Football Round 3 Qualifier Possible
22/7/2012 Ulster Football Final USFC
28/7/2012 All Ireland Football Round 4 Qualifier
29/7/2012 All Ireland Hurling Quarter Final TBC
4/8/2012 All Ireland Football Quarter Final TBC
9/9/2012 Minor Hurling Final MHC
23/9/2012 Minor Football Final MFC
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 11, 2012, 03:15:46 PM
RTÉ TELEVISION LIVE GAA CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL & HURLING FIXTURES 2012

20 May
Roscommon v Galway - Football

27 May Tipperary v Kerry - Football
Tipperary v Limerick - Hurling

2 June
Offaly v Wexford - Hurling

3 June
Longford / Laois v Wexford - Football

9 June
Roscommon / Galway v Sligo - Football
(Deferred)

10 June
Tipperary/ Kerry v Cork - Football
Armagh v Tyrone - Football

16 June
Derry v Cavan / Donegal - Football

17 June
Galway / Westmeath / Antrim v Offaly / Wexford - Hurling
Clare v Waterford - Hurling

23 June
Carlow / Laois / Dublin v Kilkenny - Hurling

24 June
Fermanagh / Down v Monaghan / Antrim - Football
Tipperary / Limerick v Cork - Hurling

30 June
Armagh / Tyrone v Derry / Cavan / Donegal - Football

1 July
Meath / Wicklow / Carlow v Offaly / Kildare - Football

7 July
All Ireland Qualifier - Hurling

8 July
Leinster Senior Hurling Championship Final Hurling - (HD)

14 July
All-Ireland Qualifier - Football

15 July
Munster Senior Hurling Championship Final (HD)

22 July
Lenister Senior Football Championship Final (HD)

28/29 July
All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Q-Finals (HD)

4/5/6 Aug
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Finals (HD)

12 Aug
All Ireland Minor Hurling Championship Semi-Final
All Ireland Senior Hurling championship Semi-Final (HD)

19 Aug
All Ireland Minor Hurling championship Semi-Final
All Ireland Senior Hurling championship Semi-Final (HD)

26 Aug
All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi-Final (HD)

2 Sept
All Ireland Minor Football Championship Semi-Final
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Semi-Final (HD)

9 Sept
All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Final (HD)

23 Sept
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Final (HD)

Two further HD matches will be confirmed as the season progresses
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ExiledGael on May 11, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
Not holding my breath waiting for the BBC launch and announcement. What games are they obliged to show?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on May 11, 2012, 05:08:10 PM
Not holding my breath waiting for the BBC launch and announcement. What games are they obliged to show?

They have already announced five live games and three deferred.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ExiledGael on May 11, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
Haven't seen that anywhere, any idea what's being left out? Fermanagh Down?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on May 11, 2012, 08:43:01 PM
Haven't seen that anywhere, any idea what's being left out? Fermanagh Down?

I just saw it on their Twitter page, they did say Cavan v Donegal was deferred.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Minder on May 17, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=927028&l=a9b9f94d48&id=111276448908371&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto.php&_rdr

List of matches on bbc.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on July 01, 2012, 07:15:46 PM
Why did RTE have a microphone on the sideline today in colse proximity to the managers ?.

Is this a new phenomenon this year ?.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The Worker on July 28, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Which qualifier are rte showing today?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on July 28, 2012, 12:32:06 PM
Meath v. Laois, RTE1, 3:10.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The Worker on July 28, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Blah.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: From the Bunker on July 28, 2012, 12:46:20 PM
Blah.

+1

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Fuzzman on February 14, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
Did anyone see Michael Lyster on the Sunday League show
Is he alright or not well. He seems very thin looking.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
I didn't watch it Fuzzman. Was it any good or was it the usual guffaw RTÉ serve up for the League?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: yellowcard on February 14, 2013, 03:35:10 PM
Did anyone see Michael Lyster on the Sunday League show
Is he alright or not well. He seems very thin looking.

Noticed the same myself, the man didn't look at all well. Seems to have lost a lot of weight, the jacket was hanging off him.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 14, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
Did anyone see Michael Lyster on the Sunday League show
Is he alright or not well. He seems very thin looking.

Noticed the same myself, the man didn't look at all well. Seems to have lost a lot of weight, the jacket was hanging off him.

He does not look a well man. Very gaunt looking!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: 5 Sams on August 01, 2013, 05:04:40 PM
Credit where it's due.....beeb upping their game this weekend.....dunno about Thomas Kane or Sidey in shorts though!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/23533795?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Schkite on August 01, 2013, 05:47:35 PM
Does Austy just have his boxers on!?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 01, 2013, 06:31:55 PM
Watched utv sport last 2 nights expecting a bit of build up to this weeks games involving 4 ulster counties. Given the build up they give the big ulster and ni games I expected a bit of coverage especially with 60000 plus expected to travel from the province. Not a word. All about world police and fire games, Celtic game and some infield players testimonial coming up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2013, 07:50:19 PM
Watched utv sport last 2 nights expecting a bit of build up to this weeks games involving 4 ulster counties. Given the build up they give the big ulster and ni games I expected a bit of coverage especially with 60000 plus expected to travel from the province. Not a word. All about world police and fire games, Celtic game and some infield players testimonial coming up.

That doesn't surprise me. But don't worry, if there's anything controversial happens in any of the QFs this weekend, you can be sure UTV and BBC will go to town on it.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: take_yer_points on August 02, 2013, 11:35:38 AM

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 02, 2013, 12:00:56 PM
jesus christ  :-X
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: The Voice Of Reason on August 02, 2013, 12:14:19 PM
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone could recommend a pub in the Lake District / Cumbria in the U.K. that will show Sunday's Mayo v Donegal match?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tubberman on August 02, 2013, 12:24:39 PM
jesus christ  :-X

Exactly what I muttered to myself  ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tubberman on August 05, 2013, 06:14:27 PM
Do TV3 not put up the full match on their website? All I can see is previews and post-match interviews. FFS, what sort of service is that.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on August 07, 2013, 06:39:55 PM
BBC broke new ground this week with their coverage of the Sean Cavanagh/ Joe Brolly incident.  For years the BBC have had an unofficial line when it comes to GAA coverage.

'Give them their own show, and make it good so that they cannot complain, but for gods sake do not bring the GAA into polite conversation, and try not to expose it to unsuspecting members of the Ulster public'.

I may be mistaken, but I think that this is the first time ever, that the BBC have discussed GAA on a normal show, when they are talking about a purely GAA issue.   In the past and  particularly around Tyrone's brilliant All-Ireland win in 2008, they continually invited Gregory Campbell et al on to slander the GAA about every single GAA club in the North being named after IRA men.   The GAA and controversial politics was acceptable news for the BBC.  That was the only time you would hear GAA except on the sports news.

Your average George and Mabel sitting in their house in Hillsborough can have BBC on TV and Radio from one end of the year to the next.  They can decide not to watch The Championship on BBC2 in the same way that I can ignore the Formula 1 or cricket.  They can watch the news and all local programmes safe in the knowledge that if they do not want to see GAA then they can avoid the small bit on the news sports section. 

But on Monday morning, people were ringing in talking about Joe Brolly, Brackaville, The Moy, RTE, Croke Park, Paul Grimley, Monaghan, Pat Spillane, Derry, Dungiven, Colm O'Rourke, Cavan, The Sunday Game, Black cards, Conor McManus etc, etc, etc. 

I think this a first!!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on August 07, 2013, 08:28:38 PM
Quote
I think this a first!!

While it may be an unanticipated side effect, the idea that the GAA rules are a subject of discussion that everyone should have a view on is a welcome development for the wee six.

I suspect that Brolly's organ transplant may have given him a profile for non sports types generally.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: DuffleKing on August 25, 2013, 03:09:15 PM

RTE's studio analysis today is embarrassing when compared to BBC's. McGuinness, McGeeney and (to a much lesser extent McHugh) are so much more informed and insightful when compared to the punch + judy show on RTE. Fair play to BBC NI - never thought I'd ever type that out!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: DuffleKing on August 25, 2013, 03:36:51 PM

Same can't be said about the direction - they've missed every single kick out so far watching replays
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 10:11:20 PM
I just want to say and its not often I need to say it. yesterday's BBC coverage of Tyrone v mayo was brilliant. jimmy, geezer and wee man in the studio were great. jeez..! Jim mcguinness can do stats. hes a mine if intricate detail but hes not boring. geezer just oozes charisma, he commands attention when he speaks with his insightful quotes from various sportstars and less geeky analyses.. well when he flexes those guns who's gonna argue. wee man McHugh wasn't as pushy yesterday and without burns patronising him he seemed more comfortable. meanwhile oisin and sidey have a nice rapport going. oisin is sharp but lets sidebotton lead... sidey leads but is in awe of his allstar partner. very good coverage the beeb blew rte out of the water on this occasion. also the lack of sickening ads on the BBC makes it all the better

WELL DONE BBC 8)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
I just want to say and its not often I need to say it. yesterday's BBC coverage of Tyrone v mayo was brilliant. jimmy, geezer and wee man in the studio were great. jeez..! Jim mcguinness can do stats. hes a mine if intricate detail but hes not boring. geezer just oozes charisma, he commands attention when he speaks with his insightful quotes from various sportstars and less geeky analyses.. well when he flexes those guns who's gonna argue. wee man McHugh wasn't as pushy yesterday and without burns patronising him he seemed more comfortable. meanwhile oisin and sidey have a nice rapport going. oisin is sharp but lets sidebotton lead... sidey leads but is in awe of his allstar partner. very good coverage the beeb blew rte out of the water on this occasion. also the lack of sickening ads on the BBC makes it all the better

WELL DONE BBC 8)

Aye, you complain about RTE, I bet there was no bias on B.B.C.  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
I just want to say and its not often I need to say it. yesterday's BBC coverage of Tyrone v mayo was brilliant. jimmy, geezer and wee man in the studio were great. jeez..! Jim mcguinness can do stats. hes a mine if intricate detail but hes not boring. geezer just oozes charisma, he commands attention when he speaks with his insightful quotes from various sportstars and less geeky analyses.. well when he flexes those guns who's gonna argue. wee man McHugh wasn't as pushy yesterday and without burns patronising him he seemed more comfortable. meanwhile oisin and sidey have a nice rapport going. oisin is sharp but lets sidebotton lead... sidey leads but is in awe of his allstar partner. very good coverage the beeb blew rte out of the water on this occasion. also the lack of sickening ads on the BBC makes it all the better

WELL DONE BBC 8)

Aye, you complain about RTE, I bet there was no bias on B.B.C.  ;)
the beeb were better yesterday imo
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 10:20:53 PM
I just want to say and its not often I need to say it. yesterday's BBC coverage of Tyrone v mayo was brilliant. jimmy, geezer and wee man in the studio were great. jeez..! Jim mcguinness can do stats. hes a mine if intricate detail but hes not boring. geezer just oozes charisma, he commands attention when he speaks with his insightful quotes from various sportstars and less geeky analyses.. well when he flexes those guns who's gonna argue. wee man McHugh wasn't as pushy yesterday and without burns patronising him he seemed more comfortable. meanwhile oisin and sidey have a nice rapport going. oisin is sharp but lets sidebotton lead... sidey leads but is in awe of his allstar partner. very good coverage the beeb blew rte out of the water on this occasion. also the lack of sickening ads on the BBC makes it all the better

WELL DONE BBC 8)

Aye, you complain about RTE, I bet there was no bias on B.B.C.  ;)
the beeb were better yesterday imo

Maybe you are right, I have never watched GAA on BBC.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on August 26, 2013, 10:42:07 PM
I thought Jordan did very well last night. I usually cringe when a Tyronie is brought in as we just don't have the voice for TV….usually 100mph. Jordan was incisive and clear and could speak at length using a bit of sense.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 26, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
I thought Jordan did very well last night. I usually cringe when a Tyronie is brought in as we just don't have the voice for TV….usually 100mph. Jordan was incisive and clear and could speak at length using a bit of sense.

I thought Jordan was very good on RTE.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: lawnseed on August 26, 2013, 10:53:18 PM
I thought Jordan did very well last night. I usually cringe when a Tyronie is brought in as we just don't have the voice for TV….usually 100mph. Jordan was incisive and clear and could speak at length using a bit of sense.
does she still drive about in that pink horsebox :P
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on August 27, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
I thought Jordan did very well last night. I usually cringe when a Tyronie is brought in as we just don't have the voice for TV….usually 100mph. Jordan was incisive and clear and could speak at length using a bit of sense.
does she still drive about in that pink horsebox :P

No, but she's one between her legs now with all the ins and outs down there...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 08, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
I just looked at the BBCNI Sports website during the All Ireland Hurling Final and there is not a mention of it, anywhere http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/) Are we surprised?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2013, 05:14:20 PM
I just looked at the BBCNI Sports website during the All Ireland Hurling Final and there is not a mention of it, anywhere http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/) Are we surprised?

Not in the slightest. I contacted BBCNI last week to see if they would be covering any of the AI finals. Still waiting on a reply...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ranch on September 08, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/24009965
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hoof Hearted on September 08, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
portadown scored 11 goals yesterday ! Apparently we have to be amazed by that !
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: BennyCake on September 08, 2013, 11:03:26 PM
portadown scored 11 goals yesterday ! Apparently we have to be amazed by that !

How many did Brian Mallon get?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 09, 2013, 11:42:40 PM
I just watched BBCNI Newsline Sport from tonight on the iPlayer. The content was:- NI v Portugal soccer report, a quick mention of RoI/Trap, 16 goals from 6 Irish League games (already shown on Saturday), Ulster rugby action from Friday & go karting. Oh and the All Ireland Hurling Final - don't be silly, not a mention! Some things don't change.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2013, 12:06:59 AM
I just watched BBCNI Newsline Sport from tonight on the iPlayer. The content was:- NI v Portugal soccer report, a quick mention of RoI/Trap, 16 goals from 6 Irish League games (already shown on Saturday), Ulster rugby action from Friday & go karting. Oh and the All Ireland Hurling Final - don't be silly, not a mention! Some things don't change.

Definitely a Westminster ploy to force the north to remain partitioned. Sure everyone in NI loves stick fighting and whacking people with shite, nevermind flag waving.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: BennyCake on September 10, 2013, 02:09:28 AM
I just watched BBCNI Newsline Sport from tonight on the iPlayer. The content was:- NI v Portugal soccer report, a quick mention of RoI/Trap, 16 goals from 6 Irish League games (already shown on Saturday), Ulster rugby action from Friday & go karting. Oh and the All Ireland Hurling Final - don't be silly, not a mention! Some things don't change.

Go karting? F**king go karting!?

Did they not show cheese rolling championships too? Or have Sky bought the rights to that?

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 10, 2013, 10:55:52 AM
Yes, KARTING! I just checked again and here's what they said to finish: 'Finally congratulations to Charlie Eastwood who is now the European karting champion'. See for yourself here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039rndx/BBC_Newsline_09_09_2013/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b039rndx/BBC_Newsline_09_09_2013/)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on September 10, 2013, 12:36:21 PM
Maybe 'Any Craic' could confirm this, but I once heard that for every complaint the BBC get about not covering GAA, they get about 10 complaints for when they do cover it!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 10, 2013, 01:11:43 PM
No that's not true Feckitt. It's hard to explain their 'logic' and indeed this example may cloud the area even more, but one time the current Head of Sport said he got letters from Irish League fans as if this justified their blanket coverage of the Irish League. It was in answer to me asking why he refused to allow Sigerson Cup QF on a Friday afternoon at Queens onto that evening's Newsline sport. 'It's not senior sport', he said. 'Irish League is senior sport and that's only colleges. What do I say to the letters I get from irish League fans if I put that on'. When he then went on to compare Sigerson to Collingwood, I realised there was a serious mindset issue that is clearly still there.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on September 10, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
OK thanks, I have regularly posted on this thread for years, and am not slow to point out the failings of the BBC and others.  A couple of weeks ago, i posted on this thread about how the Brolly/Cavanagh issue had brought the GAA out of the sports desk and onto the news desk for the first time ever when discussing a purely GAA subject.  But now we are back to the biggest day in Irish sport not even getting a mention.  Quite depressing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on September 10, 2013, 01:22:35 PM
Quote
Maybe 'Any Craic' could confirm this, but I once heard that for every complaint the BBC get about not covering GAA, they get about 10 complaints for when they do cover it!

People don't expect them to cover it, so don't complain.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on September 10, 2013, 01:28:45 PM
I sent an email once to the BBC about them only putting up league results on their website for Ulster counties.  example Donegal bt Cork, Down lost to Mayo, Tyrone drew with Laois, but god knows what happened between Dublin & Kerry.  It wouldn't kill them to put all results up.  I think I told them either to put up all the results or don't bother putting any up.

The next day I got an email from Mark Sidebottom going f**king mad, fucked me off for being so cheeky, talked about the 5 hour show they had on Radio Ulster, all the work they were doing etc,etc. 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Feckitt on September 14, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
Ulster Champs Crossmaglen Rangers played Pearse Og of Armagh last night in front of an attendance of over 4000+.  BBC website? not a dickybird.

Meanwhile today the NI soccer league will throw up some hotly anticipated encounters like Glenavon v Ards and Warrenpoint Town v Crusaders.  BBC website?  Yes there will be reports on all matches, a full days coverage on Radio Ulster (FM), and TV highlights of all the goals at 6 o'clock.

Now I know that attendances at Irish league matches are the most closely guarded secret in Irish sport, but I suspect that most teams will not get close to a 4000+ attendance all season, and that a lot of teams may not have had a 4000+ attendance ever in the last 30 years!

In a previous post 'Any Craic' talked about a serious mindset issue when it comes to Gaelic Games.  They still think that coverage of Glenavon, Linfield, Glentoran, Portadown etc, is the soccer equivalent of Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh etc,  ??? ???  And for years they still got better coverage than county teams.  When is someone at BBC or UTV going to realise, ah yez know what I mean.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2013, 09:51:55 AM
Some people just don't want to understand that BBC NI is a regional broadcaster.

Armagh club championships are local sport, not regional sport. The only justification for featuring local sport is when it has a regional impact. For example if Crossmaglen were knocked out, I'd expect it mentioned for it matters than the regional champions are gone.

All Ireland Hurling finals are national sport, not regional. With no Ulster teams involved, there's no more reason to discuss it than there is Andy Murray or Lewis Hamilton's successes.

While if you can't understand that discussing the outcome of every inter varsity match in a week would double the length of the programme, then BBC really have no chance.

The real problem is some people want personal broadcasters.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 09:56:10 AM
Well said Wobbler.

Reporting on the Cross game would be like the Co Fermanagh road bowls game between Belcoo and Belleek getting a quare write up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: rodney trotter on September 14, 2013, 10:19:34 AM
 Wobbler is right,If it was Antrim Hurlers in the All Ireland Senior final they would get a mention. The BBC obviously only cares about team in  Ulster (6 counties mainly). They showed the All Ireland Semi between Tyrone and Mayo. But not a word the following week when the Dubs and Kerry were playing.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
I don't agree with the regional/national argument. To me, it's just an excuse for not covering. The BBC have always used things like that to conveniently not do as much GAA as they should. It's like they are happy that it falls between two stools.

For example, I remember a radio producer (who had been an official at Linfield before then) arguing in the early 90s that BBC Radio Ulster couldn't cover Ulster SFC games because the BBC didn't have facilities in the grounds for commentary, like they did in all of the Irish League grounds. He couldn't understand why the GAA couldn't use the same venues all the time and have their games at set times, like soccer every Saturday at 3 O'Clock. These were the days when the BBC TV Championship programme was well underway and very popular. The result was that all of the Ulster SFC games were on BBC TV but Radio Ulster was not even doing commentary! Some time later, the same radio producer was informed that his TV colleagues were able to provide him with a free line back to Belfast to broadcast radio commentary live from every venue! The fact was that he just didn't want to know and that's exactly the case these days too. The BBC has gone back to the bad old days in many ways. 

Put it like this, if a sporting event is getting 4000 in your area, then it should be covered, end of. It means there is a significant audience attending and there will be significant interest among people not attending, no matter whether it's local, regional, etc. GAA fans are always interested in games in other counties, as we all know. Our games are uniquely Irish and local, grass roots is our strength, which deserves to be acknowledged and appreciated. Instead, the BBC compare us with international games like rugby and football, which is unfair, but they make out that we are lesser because of that, when the opposite should be the case. If they wanted to know, if they appreciated the interest in strength of our unique games, they would so something about it.

But it's not just a matter of numbers, it's also a question of balance and perception. How can a game with that much interest get absolutely ignored by a company that has outlets in radio, TV, online, etc? Did they care to mention the game or any other clubs games anywhere on their Friday evening wrap on radio or TV? Did it get mentioned anywhere on Saturday? No, because they conveniently let it slip between the stools again. Surely the great BBC in this day and age should have some way of at least acknowledging a game like this, but of course they did away with their Sunday Sportsound GAA programme 5/6 years ago, which means they have no obvious outlet for club GAA. They argue it the other way on Saturdays, ie, that it isn't a GAA show either. Like I say, too many arguments that have the same result.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 05:43:23 PM
I don't agree with the regional/national argument. To me, it's just an excuse for not covering. The BBC have always used things like that to conveniently not do as much GAA as they should. It's like they are happy that it falls between two stools.

For example, I remember a radio producer (who had been an official at Linfield before then) arguing in the early 90s that BBC Radio Ulster couldn't cover Ulster SFC games because the BBC didn't have facilities in the grounds for commentary, like they did in all of the Irish League grounds. He couldn't understand why the GAA couldn't use the same venues all the time and have their games at set times, like soccer every Saturday at 3 O'Clock. These were the days when the BBC TV Championship programme was well underway and very popular. The result was that all of the Ulster SFC games were on BBC TV but Radio Ulster was not even doing commentary! Some time later, the same radio producer was informed that his TV colleagues were able to provide him with a free line back to Belfast to broadcast radio commentary live from every venue! The fact was that he just didn't want to know and that's exactly the case these days too. The BBC has gone back to the bad old days in many ways. 

Put it like this, if a sporting event is getting 4000 in your area, then it should be covered, end of. It means there is a significant audience attending and there will be significant interest among people not attending, no matter whether it's local, regional, etc. GAA fans are always interested in games in other counties, as we all know. Our games are uniquely Irish and local, grass roots is our strength, which deserves to be acknowledged and appreciated. Instead, the BBC compare us with international games like rugby and football, which is unfair, but they make out that we are lesser because of that, when the opposite should be the case. If they wanted to know, if they appreciated the interest in strength of our unique games, they would so something about it.

But it's not just a matter of numbers, it's also a question of balance and perception. How can a game with that much interest get absolutely ignored by a company that has outlets in radio, TV, online, etc? Did they care to mention the game or any other clubs games anywhere on their Friday evening wrap on radio or TV? Did it get mentioned anywhere on Saturday? No, because they conveniently let it slip between the stools again. Surely the great BBC in this day and age should have some way of at least acknowledging a game like this, but of course they did away with their Sunday Sportsound GAA programme 5/6 years ago, which means they have no obvious outlet for club GAA. They argue it the other way on Saturdays, ie, that it isn't a GAA show either. Like I say, too many arguments that have the same result.

I dunno anycraic. How many GAA games did they show live this year and in recent years? Maybe 10 this summer including next week's final? They show 1 live local soccer game a year (Cup final) and maybe a handful of internationals and even those seem to be lost to Sky. Some Ulster rugby.

4000 for the Cross game - what about 3000, 2000, 1000, 500 at other games - are they ignored?

I don't go to the BBC for my GAA because I don't need to - apart from maybe Radio Ulster on a Sat or Sun during the NFL, SFC or provincial club.

The BBC may well be bigoted towards GAA - and I know that needs to be challenged if people think that - but I don't feel deprived.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
I think the Live games thing is another red herring. It shouldn't mean that they can then largely reduce GAA to a minority sport the rest of the time.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 05:48:56 PM
If you look at it, they do international soccer Live, plus the Irish Cup Final, the Milk Cup (now there's another debate), and one or two others, and they do a fair amount of Ulster Rugby Live, so there's not much of a difference in the Live coverage. Then you look at the rest of the coverage and they allocate cameras to every single Irish League Premier game (UTV pulled out of a 50-50 coverage arrangement) for 40 weeks of a year, which is a serious deployment of resources, plus it leads to blanket coverage across all their platforms. Rugby also gets wall to wall coverage for just about anything that happens there. Now compare that to how GAA is treated on a daily basis on radio bulletins, online, etc, and it comes a very long way behind.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 06:04:21 PM
So what would you want to see?

A Sunday night programme covering club games? More time on Newsline? The radio seems to cover a game every week during the provincial club championship. They also show the MacRory live.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2013, 06:08:14 PM
Anycraic you don't have a choice but to agree with the regional argument -the remit is ni and they cover the games here and give results from the other 3.

Club games are more regional again. I doubt they would have the scope to cover every gaa game with4k+ and beforehand how do you know 4k will be at it? If they cover one club game where do they stop? It's not feasible.

The remit the bbc cover is ulster club, mckenna cup, championship and national league. That's consistent with soccer when you look at it. It's just that soccer have their games every week.

Yes the bbc can improve a lot and they could be doing with highlighting games as well as rows but you more than anyone should know about their budgets. What you suggest isn't feasible and you do seem like a dog with a bone...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 06:14:44 PM
Equality across the output would be good, and a place for GAA that recognises the importance of our games outside inter-county football. Hurling, ladies football, club games, etc.

Yes they show the MacRory Final Live, which is good, but this year they didn't attend any of the Quarter-finals or the Hogan Cup Semi or Final, which was not good. The Club championship coverage is of course welcome as well, but it's only on medium wave radio and is nowhere near enough. A regular slot or programme like Sunday Sportsound is much-missed. Put it this way O'Neill, there's 3/4 hours every Saturday throughout the year, covering everything but GAA, and very little on Sundays in comparison.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
imtommygun, the BBC don't have a remit to cover the competitions you mention. They do the McKenna Cup when it suits them, which is very hit and miss. Same with the National League, blink and you'd miss it. There's no way their coverage outside the Ulster SFC is comparable with soccer and rugby. If it's about budgets, then do less local football. Cut down from 6 games every Saturday to 3, and you'd save a fortune. You'd be able to go to more GAA games throughout the year, and even provide regular coverage. Just my opinion. I've seen it from close and far for a long time.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 06:20:33 PM
Put it this way O'Neill, there's 3/4 hours every Saturday throughout the year, covering everything but GAA, and very little on Sundays in comparison.

Would their sports radio output between May and August not be 80% GAA on Sat (backdoor) and Sun?

I even think there was one Saturday when they rolled out 6 hours.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2013, 06:25:41 PM
imtommygun, the BBC don't have a remit to cover the competitions you mention. They do the McKenna Cup when it suits them, which is very hit and miss. Same with the National League, blink and you'd miss it. There's no way their coverage outside the Ulster SFC is comparable with soccer and rugby. If it's about budgets, then do less local football. Cut down from 6 games every Saturday to 3, and you'd save a fortune. You'd be able to go to more GAA games throughout the year, and even provide regular coverage. Just my opinion. I've seen it from close and far for a long time.

Ae you comparing like for like with rugby and gaa though? Ulster rugby, ireland rugby, schools rugby and ail. Is that dissimilar from what the gaa would get ( assuming they did it consistently?)

It's not a mandatory remit granted but it seems to be what they do.

The main thing that peeves me about the bbc and the gaa is that they seem quick to jump on the fights. The coverage is actually decent. Yes it could be better but it's not as bad as you make out.

In addition what coverage do rte give club games? What coverage would they get were it not for tg4. League coverage is rubbish too.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
Yes O'Neill, the back door radio coverage is good and welcomed, but it wouldn't amount to 80 per cent between May-August. There's still 4 hours every Saturday for other sports during the football/rugby season, plus a Summer show that carries on the same slot and does all sports. Plus you can throw in football internationals, european games in July, and so on. But look at the wider picture - they shut down on Sundays from the start of December through to the Ulster SFC in mid-May. There is absolutely nothing on Sundays for the McKenna Cup and the NFL, never mind clubs or any other GAA. BTW O'Neill, I'm not as avid a follower of their coverage these days, as you might understand lol, so I might not be so well-informed as I was.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 06:52:11 PM
imtommygun, there's definitely more rugby coverage across their output all year round than GAA. Look at their website, listen to a radio bulletin, watch a TV bulletin, you'll see rugby much more prominent. You're right about jumping on fights, but that wouldn't be so bad if they had better coverage throughout the year of more GAA games. People get annoyed because they jump on games that they don't even attend as a rule. As regards coverage elsewhere, to start that debate you'd have to bring in Setanta, Newstalk, TG4, etc, etc. RTE do a one-hour TV show every night through the League, plus blanket radio, while BBC show maybe 1 minute on a Monday night, with nothing at all on Sundays.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2013, 09:04:48 PM
Anycraic, some amazing rants here.

But the bottom line is that you will not accept that the role of a regional broadcaster is to broadcast stories of regional interest. Even if the whole of Strabane turns up for a Strabane Sigersons game, that doesn't make of interest beyond west Tyrone.

I'll put this another way. There are funerals every few weeks, maybe every week, in Ulster that invoke thousands of mourners. But the only funerals that get mentioned on BBC NI are those involving figures who have a regional profile. Believe it or not, sport has to operate on a roughly similar principle.

Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 09:55:30 PM
There is absolutely nothing on Sundays for the McKenna Cup and the NFL, never mind clubs or any other GAA.

Ah now, that's not true.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
O'Neill, it actually is true that there is no BBC radio or TV coverage on Sundays from December through to the start of the Ulster SFC or maybe a League Final if an Ulster team is in it. They dropped Sunday Sportsound years ago and there is nothing on at all. As for thewobbler, I'm going to let your comments go at this stage because I'm wondering what your agenda is and also because you've had a few digs at my posts. Strabane Sigersons, funerals, strange stuff. I'm happy to make my arguments and let people take it from there. Just my opinion, as I said.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2013, 11:09:25 PM
You're going mad.

There's a full NFL programme every Sunday, with reports from every Ulster county game from Feb to May. Sure they even had McGourty reporting.

Also, Newsline on a Monday would give a 1 min review of one game.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 14, 2013, 11:54:24 PM
O'Neill, you're wrong mate! McGourty has done a few interviews alright, but for the Monday TV one minute. I'm talking about Live broadcasting. Sure a lot of the games are played on Saturday night and they just don't cover them on radio and haven't done for some time. I refer you to Paddy Heaney's famous article that exposed their Sunday cutback - http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2007/nov6_BBC_Gaelic_sports_coverage__PHeaney.php (http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2007/nov6_BBC_Gaelic_sports_coverage__PHeaney.php)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Kid Twist on September 15, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
Anycraic, some amazing rants here.

But the bottom line is that you will not accept that the role of a regional broadcaster is to broadcast stories of regional interest. Even if the whole of Strabane turns up for a Strabane Sigersons game, that doesn't make of interest beyond west Tyrone.

I'll put this another way. There are funerals every few weeks, maybe every week, in Ulster that invoke thousands of mourners. But the only funerals that get mentioned on BBC NI are those involving figures who have a regional profile. Believe it or not, sport has to operate on a roughly similar principle.



BBC Radio Foyle are the local broadcasters for the north west, including Strabane, I have rarely heard them chat about local GAA issues. They do have great interest in local cricket news in every morning sports bulletin and even have special cricket correspondent. they also report cross channel soccer. It makes this whole local, regional, national thing all very confusing
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: orangeman on September 15, 2013, 09:49:06 AM
Anycraic, some amazing rants here.

But the bottom line is that you will not accept that the role of a regional broadcaster is to broadcast stories of regional interest. Even if the whole of Strabane turns up for a Strabane Sigersons game, that doesn't make of interest beyond west Tyrone.

I'll put this another way. There are funerals every few weeks, maybe every week, in Ulster that invoke thousands of mourners. But the only funerals that get mentioned on BBC NI are those involving figures who have a regional profile. Believe it or not, sport has to operate on a roughly similar principle.

Not really amazing when you consider Any Craic is Jerome Quinn,  who was sacked by the BBC.


If it weren't for any Craic exposing the BBC and their treatment of gaelic games, we would have been left speculating. At least Any Craic put it into the public domain.


Whatever way you want to look at it, Gaelic games are NOT a minority sport but the reporting of them by the BBC and others would nearly make you think they were.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 15, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
O'Neill, it actually is true that there is no BBC radio or TV coverage on Sundays from December through to the start of the Ulster SFC or maybe a League Final if an Ulster team is in it. They dropped Sunday Sportsound years ago and there is nothing on at all. As for thewobbler, I'm going to let your comments go at this stage because I'm wondering what your agenda is and also because you've had a few digs at my posts. Strabane Sigersons, funerals, strange stuff. I'm happy to make my arguments and let people take it from there. Just my opinion, as I said.

No agenda, no digs. Until saffrongael pointed out that you actually worked for the Beeb, i just assumed you were one of those people who doesn't understand the role of regional broadcasting. what you regard as 'strange stuff', I'm merely pointing out that:

- even if a Gaelic football captures the attention of an entire town (for example, Strabane), it doesn't make the match newsworthy beyond that town. 10,000 locals attending that match does not give it a regional impact.

- from an editorial perspective, the size of the congregation at a funeral doesn't decide if it gets mentioned on newsline. It's the impact/profile the deceased had across the six counties that makes it newsworthy. If you can agree with that, then surely you can apply the same logic to sport.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: omagh_gael on September 15, 2013, 10:30:26 AM
While I'm sure the majority of posters are aware of anycraic's identity and background, I don't think there was any need to go that far SG.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: DuffleKing on September 15, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
O'Neill, it actually is true that there is no BBC radio or TV coverage on Sundays from December through to the start of the Ulster SFC or maybe a League Final if an Ulster team is in it. They dropped Sunday Sportsound years ago and there is nothing on at all. As for thewobbler, I'm going to let your comments go at this stage because I'm wondering what your agenda is and also because you've had a few digs at my posts. Strabane Sigersons, funerals, strange stuff. I'm happy to make my arguments and let people take it from there. Just my opinion, as I said.

No agenda, no digs. Until saffrongael pointed out that you actually worked for the Beeb, i just assumed you were one of those people who doesn't understand the role of regional broadcasting. what you regard as 'strange stuff', I'm merely pointing out that:

- even if a Gaelic football captures the attention of an entire town (for example, Strabane), it doesn't make the match newsworthy beyond that town. 10,000 locals attending that match does not give it a regional impact.

- from an editorial perspective, the size of the congregation at a funeral doesn't decide if it gets mentioned on newsline. It's the impact/profile the deceased had across the six counties that makes it newsworthy. If you can agree with that, then surely you can apply the same logic to sport.

Not sure you can make that one stack up wobbler. 10,000 people gathering for anything will be regional news. orange marchers? NW200, Cricket international at stormont. Wait a minute, come to think of it a nuber much less than 10,000 seems to be the threshold if editorial are being selective enough...
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 15, 2013, 11:09:16 AM
- even if a Gaelic football captures the attention of an entire town (for example, Strabane), it doesn't make the match newsworthy beyond that town. 10,000 locals attending that match does not give it a regional impact.

10,000? Maybe 30 years ago, closer to 20,000 these days!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
O'Neill, you're wrong mate! McGourty has done a few interviews alright, but for the Monday TV one minute. I'm talking about Live broadcasting. Sure a lot of the games are played on Saturday night and they just don't cover them on radio and haven't done for some time. I refer you to Paddy Heaney's famous article that exposed their Sunday cutback - http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2007/nov6_BBC_Gaelic_sports_coverage__PHeaney.php (http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2007/nov6_BBC_Gaelic_sports_coverage__PHeaney.php)

As I said you've flipped.

Are you saying I imagined listening to Kildare v Tyrone in Newbridge on 24th March? Or the day they switched to Mayo for the closing stages?

or this:

Here's a rundown of our commentators/match reporters on Sunday Sportsound today from 14:00 on BBC Radio Ulster MW:
Kildare v Tyrone: Owen McConnon & Brian Canavan.
Mayo v Donegal: Adrian Logan
Louth v Derry: Barry Flynn
Westmeath v Armagh: Paul O'Neill.
We'll have news and updates too on Wicklow v Cavan and Roscommon v Monaghan in Division three plus Antrim hurlers' Division 1B clash with Carlow at Dr Cullen Park.

Austin O'Callaghan's studio guest is former Armagh footballer Steven McDonnell. You can follow the programme on Twiter @bbcchampionship or use #RUgaa.


or the previous night when they did live commentary of Dub v Down? Every weekend had 1 or 2 live broadcasts with reporters from every Ulster game. I remember McGourty reporting from a few as well.

We can either talk facts or make stuff up.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Hardy on September 15, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
I prefer the madey-uppey stuff.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 15, 2013, 02:00:11 PM
Before criticising the output of any of the aforementioned broadcasters,would it not be wise to consider what they are contracted to broadcast and the limitations placed by the confines of such contracts,ultimately imposed by the GAA itself?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 15, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Pretty poor form on here in the last 24 hours from a few of you. Saffrongael certainly overstepped the mark. His cheap shot wasn't the first one. He also had one at me last month, for no apparent reason. Of course you let these things go, most of the time, but his post today was against the spirit of this Board. If you're going to name people then let's name everyone. Come to think of it, that might be interesting. For example, there have people having digs at me, defending the BBC and sounding knowledgeable about terms like regional/national broadcasting. Now I wonder who would have an agenda like that on a GAA Board?!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 15, 2013, 10:19:01 PM
BTW O'Neill I apologise if I'm wrong. I did say that I'm not as keen a follower as I was, so maybe I'm not up-to-date, which isn't to admit that I've 'flipped' or 'gone mad', thank you, just not up to speed.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 15, 2013, 10:35:31 PM
Pretty poor form on here in the last 24 hours from a few of you. Saffrongael certainly overstepped the mark. His cheap shot wasn't the first one. He also had one at me last month, for no apparent reason. Of course you let these things go, most of the time, but his post today was against the spirit of this Board. If you're going to name people then let's name everyone. Come to think of it, that might be interesting. For example, there have people having digs at me, defending the BBC and sounding knowledgeable about terms like regional/national broadcasting. Now I wonder who would have an agenda like that on a GAA Board?!

If you're referring to me, you're definitely barking up the wrong tree. I've one the most transparenf identities on the board, and my only agenda is to help stop people pushing nonsense as fact on the Internet, and I'm failing badly.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
BTW O'Neill I apologise if I'm wrong. I did say that I'm not as keen a follower as I was, so maybe I'm not up-to-date, which isn't to admit that I've 'flipped' or 'gone mad', thank you, just not up to speed.

Fair enough, I wasn't literally speaking.

I'm sure you know a lot more about their bigotry towards the GAA and are wise enough not to put it on here.

But, to be fair to them, they give the inter-county season plenty of air time (in my opinion).
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Any craic the bbc ni are a regional broadcaster. The politics of it are neither here nor there. It's a fact.

You do a good job at what you do and publicise the gaa well -no one is questioning that -but you have quite clearly lost any objectivity on this debate.

You are now claiming it is personalised. Only one person had that dig at you- saffrongael. No one else.



Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: omagh_gael on September 15, 2013, 11:38:44 PM
Poor form Sludden, that's completely uncalled for.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 16, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
Saffrongael & Sludden fully deserving of such a sanction.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2013, 12:11:18 AM
On another note, is the MacRory final the only provincial college final shown live?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: qubdub on September 16, 2013, 12:17:21 AM
This whole regional/local argument is daft to be honest. The BBC NI news certainly isn't done on a 'regional' basis. More than enough news items are reported on that are of no regional interest or significance. Yet when 4,000 odd souls gather for a sporting event on Friday night in Armagh it doesn't warrant a mention, despite it involving one of the best GAA club sides of the modern era? Pull the other one boys.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 12:25:45 AM
Revealing a posters real name is a 15 day ban. I am not comfortable with the way this debate is being drawn out.

Any craic has never made a secret of who he is. 90% of his posts are links to either his facebook page or his website. You wouldn't need to be Jackie Fullerton to work out who he is.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: armaghniac on September 16, 2013, 12:30:18 AM
I think the 'big' coverage of the BBC is often excellent. The 'small' mentions seem uneven. I suspect this may at least in part reflect a view of GAA as of great interest to some people, but of little general interest.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
I think the 'big' coverage of the BBC is often excellent. The 'small' mentions seem uneven. I suspect this may at least in part reflect a view of GAA as of great interest to some people, but of little general interest.

I was at a Louth senior championship game this evening. It won't get a mention on RTE tomorrow. Should I complain?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2013, 12:40:01 AM
Revealing a posters real name is a 15 day ban. I am not comfortable with the way this debate is being drawn out.

Any craic has never made a secret of who he is. 90% of his posts are links to either his facebook page or his website. You wouldn't need to be Jackie Fullerton to work out who he is.

So do you want a bone or certificate? What's your point?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 03:08:52 AM
To me the news coverage including the Saturday sport on bbc1 isn't balanced. If you compared the time devoted to gaa compared to other sports it would be very low. It's obvious in the run up to big games. Big ulster or Ireland rugby games or ni soccer ones have build up all week. The all Ireland semi final involving tyrone and mayo which attracted 65000 only got a mention on the Friday.

 Also the big club championship games attracting 1000s would in my opinion have more interest than an average Irish league game with a few hundred at it. The competitions also lead directly to the ulster and all Ireland series which removes the national or regional thing which was a weak argument anyway.

Not to mention the all Ireland hurling final is also a disgrace given the interest it generates across the country. I wonder would they have mentioned if Munster or Leinster were in the European cup final in rugby. Or if Celtic were in the champions legal final. Also Antrim take part in the competition so there is northern interest in it and given that its the final of a 32 county organisation which creates such interest it deserves a mention.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 03:38:23 AM
Another thing that annoys me is that if there'd been a fight at the cross game it would have moved from having no coverage to being top of the sports news.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2013, 07:52:09 AM
Revealing a posters real name is a 15 day ban. I am not comfortable with the way this debate is being drawn out.
Even when the poster makes no secret of their real name?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: theticklemister on September 16, 2013, 08:00:52 AM
Revealing a posters real name is a 15 day ban. I am not comfortable with the way this debate is being drawn out.

Any craic has never made a secret of who he is. 90% of his posts are links to either his facebook page or his website. You wouldn't need to be Jackie Fullerton to work out who he is.

I reckon Drici is Jackie Fullerton cause does all the latest scores.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 09:12:34 AM
I think the 'big' coverage of the BBC is often excellent. The 'small' mentions seem uneven. I suspect this may at least in part reflect a view of GAA as of great interest to some people, but of little general interest.

I was at a Louth senior championship game this evening. It won't get a mention on RTE tomorrow. Should I complain?

Yeah you should do if they decide to tell you how the Cork C of I mens hockey team did against Hermes when there was only one man and his dog watching it.

My only concern with the lack of GAA coverage by the BBC and UTV is how the GAA is perceived by the unionist majority hugging the east coast of the wee six. I'd regularly discuss GAA in work in front of all my work colleagues if there's another person in my company who's similarly interested. The odd time I'd be asked about it by some who've never had any exposure to GAA and they'd be surprised by the number of people who'd go and watch or even where there are club teams.

Just last week a lad from Holywood who knew I'd played a bit of hurling and who's wife's from Cork talked about the AI final and the atmosphere at it, some of the others in our company were shocked to hear that 80,000 people were at the game.
I joked that he could send his young fellas to play a bit of hurling in Holywood if they'd Cork blood in them, he didn't know there was any hurling in Holywood.

That perception within Unionist circles that somehow the GAA is a minority sport even within nationalist circles, played by hardline republicans needs to be broken, both by the GAA in Ulster and also our broadcaster who I pay taxes and license fee for.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 11:25:38 AM
This argument was valid 25 years ago, but I don't think it holds water today. BBC and UTV have a few minutes in their bulletins to cover a range of sports, so they can't include everything, and actual attendances at certain fixtures are irrelevant as there is a balancing act to be performed.

In terms of live sports coverage on the BBC, local bike, rugby and GAA enthusiasts are well looked after, and indeed the local soccer fraternity (with only one live match covered every year), have to make do with on online highlights package. Argument redundant.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 16, 2013, 11:34:59 AM
Are you sure of those facts? I take it the soccer game you are referring to the Irish Cup Final. Do the BBC not also broadcast Live coverage of some internationals & Milk Cup games? Maybe you're not counting this as local but it's still soccer. Plus, you say they have to 'make do' with online highlights, but sure there is a programme every Saturday at 5pm dedicated to showing as much local soccer as they can get in it, 40 weeks of the year. The goals are repeated online and on Newsline, not to mention midweek games in cups and league. They used to have a 50-50 arrangement with UTV for covering the Premier League but I gather UTV pulled out so BBC cover all PL games for the whole season.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 12:02:19 PM
This argument was valid 25 years ago, but I don't think it holds water today. BBC and UTV have a few minutes in their bulletins to cover a range of sports, so they can't include everything, and actual attendances at certain fixtures are irrelevant as there is a balancing act to be performed.

In terms of live sports coverage on the BBC, local bike, rugby and GAA gaelic football enthusiasts are well looked after, and indeed the local soccer fraternity (with only one live match covered every year), have to make do with on online highlights package. Argument redundant.

fixed that for you.

One live match? Are you sure, I thought most home Norn Iron games were shown on BBC2, Ulster rugby have quite a few Rabo-direct games on live.

There's also the results round ups on saturday evening on TV, could we not have a similar thing on a sunday evening for national league games, club championships, snippets optional. Is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
Johnny

I said or mean't fans of local football.Also Sky have the contract for live coverage of Norn Irn games. In terms of a results progamme for GAA Club games on Sunday evening, I'm sure the logistics of this are insurmountanble (ie gathering data from 6 or 9 counties, then putting it altogether, the time required to read them all out, also do you stop at the Senior Clubs etc?). Simply not practical, sure you can't even get the local results on most county websites on Sunday evening.

As I said before, I dont think any reasonable person could complain about the coverage given to GAA at both BBC particularly/UTV nowadays.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 16, 2013, 12:21:29 PM
Congrats on the new post in the BBC Press Office T!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
Johnny

I said or mean't fans of local football.Also Sky have the contract for live coverage of Norn Irn games. In terms of a results progamme for GAA Club games on Sunday evening, I'm sure the logistics of this are insurmountanble (ie gathering data from 6 or 9 counties, then putting it altogether, the time required to read them all out, also do you stop at the Senior Clubs etc?). Simply not practical, sure you can't even get the local results on most county websites on Sunday evening.

As I said before, I dont think any reasonable person could complain about the coverage given to GAA at both BBC particularly/UTV nowadays.

Well said Tony. I'm also at a loss to understand why anyone would regard GAA league results in Tyrone to be of general interest to anyone apart from GAA fans in that county. The same people, by the way, who by virtue of living in an information age, will get those results by text, by word of mouth or by checking a website or two, long in advance of BBC NI's bulletin.

Personally I'd love it if BBC NI would do a TG4-style Sunday game, and cover a club game every week in one of the six counties. But back in the real world, there's not enough demand for the outlay involved.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 01:01:45 PM
Exactly. I would also presume there's rules regarding local output v network output etc. I dont think currently any sport could say it get's more coverage by BBC NI than GAA,particularly at the peak of the summer's Championship season.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 01:29:50 PM
Johnny

I said or mean't fans of local football.Also Sky have the contract for live coverage of Norn Irn games. In terms of a results progamme for GAA Club games on Sunday evening, I'm sure the logistics of this are insurmountanble (ie gathering data from 6 or 9 counties, then putting it altogether, the time required to read them all out, also do you stop at the Senior Clubs etc?). Simply not practical, sure you can't even get the local results on most county websites on Sunday evening.

As I said before, I dont think any reasonable person could complain about the coverage given to GAA at both BBC particularly/UTV nowadays.

Well said Tony. I'm also at a loss to understand why anyone would regard GAA league results in Tyrone to be of general interest to anyone apart from GAA fans in that county. The same people, by the way, who by virtue of living in an information age, will get those results by text, by word of mouth or by checking a website or two, long in advance of BBC NI's bulletin.

Personally I'd love it if BBC NI would do a TG4-style Sunday game, and cover a club game every week in one of the six counties. But back in the real world, there's not enough demand for the outlay involved.

Yet we're led to believe there's great interest in two teams from North Belfast having a soccer game whilst only a couple of hundred hardy souls bother to turn up to watch them?
How come there's a demand for that?

Cliftonville fans can get their results via text, web or word of mouth as well, but the BBC still have a highlights show and extended news bulletins tonight?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2013, 01:50:40 PM
Johnny

I said or mean't fans of local football.Also Sky have the contract for live coverage of Norn Irn games. In terms of a results progamme for GAA Club games on Sunday evening, I'm sure the logistics of this are insurmountanble (ie gathering data from 6 or 9 counties, then putting it altogether, the time required to read them all out, also do you stop at the Senior Clubs etc?). Simply not practical, sure you can't even get the local results on most county websites on Sunday evening.

As I said before, I dont think any reasonable person could complain about the coverage given to GAA at both BBC particularly/UTV nowadays.

Well said Tony. I'm also at a loss to understand why anyone would regard GAA league results in Tyrone to be of general interest to anyone apart from GAA fans in that county. The same people, by the way, who by virtue of living in an information age, will get those results by text, by word of mouth or by checking a website or two, long in advance of BBC NI's bulletin.

Personally I'd love it if BBC NI would do a TG4-style Sunday game, and cover a club game every week in one of the six counties. But back in the real world, there's not enough demand for the outlay involved.

Yet we're led to believe there's great interest in two teams from North Belfast having a soccer game whilst only a couple of hundred hardy souls bother to turn up to watch them?
How come there's a demand for that?

Cliftonville fans can get their results via text, web or word of mouth as well, but the BBC still have a highlights show and extended news bulletins tonight?

Right Jonny, so all you actually want is parity (or maybe the removal of soccer footage). Assuming the former, please explain parity.

Please pick from this list, and add to it if needs be.

Note, this is football only - we can do hurling later




Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
A brief highlights of each game in a similar manner to what the soccer lads have on a saturday night, on a sunday though, this could include the below depending on the time of year;

Ulster counties in the NFL/NHL,
Club senior county finals, Ulster club championships
Inter provincial games
Ulster Championship highlights, qualifier highlights involving ulster counties etc, etc.
A results only service where the Div1 club results, intermediate, junior championship results from each county are read out or shown on a graphic on said highlights slot.

Something along those lines.
 
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Zulu on September 16, 2013, 02:18:10 PM
BBC wouldn't have to have cameras or reporters at all the games as there would be plenty of reporters at the games anyway and RTE cameras at some of them.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
BBC wouldn't have to have cameras or reporters at all the games as there would be plenty of reporters at the games anyway and RTE cameras at some of them.

If they can get a camera to Ballinamallard, they can get a camera to Brewster park.  ;)
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
BBC wouldn't have to have cameras or reporters at all the games as there would be plenty of reporters at the games anyway and RTE cameras at some of them.

Could be an opportunity for someone to do a bit of freelance work for Auntie Beeb, someone who could be in Omagh on a Saturday evening and Enniskillen on a Sunday.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 04:23:40 PM
BBC N.I. has no local tv output for local sport on Sunday apart from GAA in the summertime, and in wintertime don't they have a radio programme at tea time on Sunday for results, and they also cover live on radio most (certainly the final) if not all the Ulster Club Championship ties.

Added to the radio programme each Sunday afternoon for the National League and the unprecedented coverage of the Championship on both radio and tv on the summer, I don't think anyone could argue that GAA coverage doesn't consume a significant portion of BBC NI's Sporting budget.

Wasn't this proven, with hard evidence (in terms of coverage hours and comparisons with other sports) by the BBC's Defence lawyers during JQ's Tribunal Case?
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 16, 2013, 04:27:58 PM
BBC N.I. has no local tv output for local sport on Sunday apart from GAA in the summertime, and in wintertime don't they have a radio programme at tea time on Sunday for results, and they also cover live on radio most (certainly the final) if not all the Ulster Club Championship ties.

Added to the radio programme each Sunday afternoon for the National League and the unprecedented coverage of the Championship on both radio and tv on the summer, I don't think anyone could argue that GAA coverage doesn't consume a significant portion of BBC NI's Sporting budget.

Wasn't this proven, with hard evidence (in terms of coverage hours and comparisons with other sports) by the BBC's Defence lawyers during JQ's Tribunal Case?

I don't think you are allowed to mention JQ's tribunal Tony.  ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 16, 2013, 04:40:33 PM
You can mention it but it would be best to get your facts right if you do. Tony's comment is by way of a question so he's not sure himself. Maybe he's going by media coverage of it, which I personally would describe as dubious but then again I would!
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: johnneycool on September 16, 2013, 04:41:33 PM
BBC N.I. has no local tv output for local sport on Sunday apart from GAA in the summertime, and in wintertime don't they have a radio programme at tea time on Sunday for results, and they also cover live on radio most (certainly the final) if not all the Ulster Club Championship ties.

Added to the radio programme each Sunday afternoon for the National League and the unprecedented coverage of the Championship on both radio and tv on the summer, I don't think anyone could argue that GAA coverage doesn't consume a significant portion of BBC NI's Sporting budget.

Wasn't this proven, with hard evidence (in terms of coverage hours and comparisons with other sports) by the BBC's Defence lawyers during JQ's Tribunal Case?

Unless I'm in the car I hardly listen to the radio. I'm not interested in radio coverage.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: J OGorman on September 16, 2013, 04:55:29 PM
BBC N.I. has no local tv output for local sport on Sunday apart from GAA in the summertime, and in wintertime don't they have a radio programme at tea time on Sunday for results, and they also cover live on radio most (certainly the final) if not all the Ulster Club Championship ties.

Added to the radio programme each Sunday afternoon for the National League and the unprecedented coverage of the Championship on both radio and tv on the summer, I don't think anyone could argue that GAA coverage doesn't consume a significant portion of BBC NI's Sporting budget.

Wasn't this proven, with hard evidence (in terms of coverage hours and comparisons with other sports) by the BBC's Defence lawyers during JQ's Tribunal Case?

I don't think you are allowed to mention JQ's tribunal Tony.  ;D

tee hee hee..all quiet at the back of the class please boys
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: qubdub on September 16, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
One thing that bugs me about Radio Ulster GAA coverage is that it is only ever on MW. I can't get MW in my car, or at home, unless I go online to listen.

That aside, there is a clear bias in favour of local soccer. Undeniable. Even a bit of token coverage in evening bulletins of the various SFC/SHC results from the 9 counties is not going to stretch resources.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
Surely it would be logical in defending a case of alleged discrimination against one sport,that the defendant would produce an analysis of it's broadcast output,to disprove the allegation?

As I said you can argue about club results etc,but I'd say that BBC NI's annual sports broadcast output contains a GAA segment that is not exceeded by any other sport.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
I see the Antrim Clare U21 final was mentioned on BBC newsline tonight along with a clip,though Antrim fans probably would have preferred it hadn't been. ;D
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2013, 07:34:10 PM
I see the Antrim Clare U21 final was mentioned on BBC newsline tonight along with a clip,though Antrim fans probably would have preferred it hadn't been. ;D
That's the only reason it is on! The bastards.
Title: Re: UTV & BBC & RTE & TV3
Post by: Any craic on September 16, 2013, 07:40:05 PM
T, it may be difficult for a seasoned cynic to consider the possibility that the NI media were happy to paint a particular picture of what happened and that the very well-paid Defence did a 'good job' on backing this up, but I'm still surprised that you would jump to conclusions of all that happened over the three weeks, and that you would accept their statistics as near-enough fact.
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Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 09:28:31 PM
I'd love someone to record the time given to each sport on bbcs tv coverage (newsline, Saturday sport etc) over the next month and see how it spreads out. I'd be shocked if the gaa accounted for 10 per cent of the coverage. And this is a busy time of year with both all Ireland finals coming up and multiple county finals.

I never got the impression that they went looking for the ulster championship rights but they were effectively handed to them by the ulster council with a deal they couldn't refuse to ensure the games were available to all 32 counties.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 10:00:10 PM
Surely three of their full time presenters,Sudebottom,Niblock and O'Callaghan are there primarily for GAA coverage? I fail to see how anyone can argue with the coverage the Championship gets on tv every summer and the NFL on the radio during the Spring.
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Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 10:07:19 PM
They show the live ulster games that were given to them on a cheap deal. Other than that they largely ignore the gaa in their tv coverage. If you were to watch all sports coverage on bbc tv over the next month how much do you believe gaa would account for? I don't listen to the radio much so not sure how it compares there.
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Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
I don't mind people arguing that there should be more GAA on the BBC but when those arguments are simply made up, then it just becomes barstool debate.

Someone said something about in the run up to the Tyrone-Mayo game there was no mention until Friday. That's just bollocks. I was recording the news that week and just went over it again. The game was mentioned on the 6:30 news on Monday (Interview with Harte), Wednesday and Friday.

And of course it might mention Celtic in the CL because of local players. Same as BBC Norfolk covering Norfolk sides in the FA Cup but not giving two hoots about Cardiff v Liverpool in the final.

The BBC may have been light on the GAA years ago, but give them a break. Their radio coverage from Feb-Aug is comprehensive. And how many live games on TV this summer? Poor arguments dilute your cause.
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Post by: J OGorman on September 16, 2013, 10:12:34 PM
GAA coverage in the north is brutal. Boys can be cantankerous on here all they want, but the bottom line is, they're isn't enough of it on the box from utv or bbc ni
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Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 10:13:51 PM
I dont know.They'll show the All Ireland Final.You cannot isolate any month,and need to take the output over the full year.Still think GAA gets fair coverage,I remember the time when all you got was Ulster Final highlights.

Like it or not,its the Championship in summertime that attracts the major interest,sure the grounds are three quarters empty during the league and the BBC has budgetary constraints.Expecting them to cover club games to any great extent would be akin to expecting them to cover junior soccer.
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Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
I dont know.They'll show the All Ireland Final.You cannot isolate any month,and need to take the output over the full year.Still think GAA gets fair coverage,I remember the time when all you got was Ulster Final highlights.

Like it or not,its the Championship in summertime that attracts the major interest,sure the grounds are three quarters empty during the league and the BBC has budgetary constraints.Expecting them to cover club games to any great extent would be akin to expecting them to cover junior soccer.

Are they definitely showing the all Ireland final? I thought the next month would be as good as any to pick given that the all Ireland finals are on and county finals. Would be a busy month for the gaa. Other than the live coverage of the 6 or 7 games in may to June gaa is largely ignored on their tv coverage and would compare poorly to soccer and rugby.

As I said if someone took the next month as an example I'd be shocked if the gaa accounted for 20 per cent of the coverage. Given the attendances and interest junior soccer does not equate to the closing stages of county championship which will attract 10 times as many as most Irish league games never mind junior soccer. And I think the average gaa fan will be interested in the big club games outside their own county.
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Post by: Redhand Santa on September 16, 2013, 10:32:05 PM
If the all Ireland final isn't on tv I wouldn't be surprised if hockey got more air time over the next month on bbc television than gaa.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 16, 2013, 10:36:01 PM
The last soccer match covered live was Irish Cup Final in May.You could ask why all bike races (apart from NW200) aren't covered,they all attract big crowds,neither is the Ulster derby horse race at the Maze etc etc.

I'm with O'Neill on this one,I have no complaints with the BBC's GAA coverage nowadays.
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Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2013, 10:39:29 PM
If the all Ireland final isn't on tv I wouldn't be surprised if hockey got more air time over the next month on bbc television than gaa.

Except if  the all Ireland final is on BBC, the 120 minute programme for this single event is twice as long as their combined hockey coverage in one calendar year.

But you keep up the hypothetical stuff if it keeps you happy. Sooner or later your auntie's balls might give you a rattle on head.
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Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2013, 10:41:19 PM
I would agree here. If it wasn't for tg4 sure what would we see on rte? Some league highlights and highlights of one club game a year?

Hockey gets little or no airtime. When have you seen a live hockey match?

Sunday sportssound was great though and would be nice to see it.
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Post by: Orchardman on September 16, 2013, 10:54:42 PM
They won't show the final will they? it's only ever on if an ulster team in it.

Overall, nothing to complain about here. They do a decent job. But Stephen watsons love of motorbikes is sickening
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Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2013, 11:32:27 PM
No, I don't think they'll show the All-Ireland.
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Post by: theticklemister on September 16, 2013, 11:48:23 PM
Some bitching going on here; here is a clip which will help us all ....   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34&feature=youtube_gdata_player   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 07:57:18 AM
Surely the All Ireland Final will be screened live on BBC2 this Sunday?
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Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2013, 08:17:41 AM
I don't see why they'd show the football after not showing the hurling?
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Post by: DuffleKing on September 17, 2013, 08:20:10 AM

Doubt it - they'll be charged for the rights to the ai final and that usually means no chance. MacRory would be free for them for example
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Post by: theticklemister on September 17, 2013, 08:22:53 AM

Doubt it - they'll be charged for the rights to the ai final and that usually means no chance. MacRory would be free for them for example
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Not a hope in hell . When was the last time they showed an all ireland without an ulster team.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 11:00:11 AM
Like it or not,there's infinitely more interest in football than hurling.Will be amazed if the Football Final isn't shown live on BBC 2 this Sunday.
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Post by: glens73 on September 17, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
I may be wrong, but I don't think that BBC NI have ever shown the football final when an Ulster county is not involved.
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Post by: cornerback on September 17, 2013, 11:27:51 AM
Like it or not,there's infinitely more interest in football than hurling.Will be amazed if the Football Final isn't shown live on BBC 2 this Sunday.

Gimme your best amazed face Tony, Sailing, Canoeing & Rugby League according to the BBC2 NI schedule:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/schedules/ni/2013/09/22 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/schedules/ni/2013/09/22)
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
Well, even if they don't, you have to take cognisance of the budgetary restraints, and the quite reasonable deduction that there is less interest if an Ulster team isn't involved, from their point of view.

Cornerback, those are BBC Networked programmes
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Post by: Hardy on September 17, 2013, 11:45:21 AM
Like it or not,there's infinitely more interest in football than hurling.Will be amazed if the Football Final isn't shown live on BBC 2 this Sunday.

Gimme your best amazed face Tony, Sailing, Canoeing & Rugby League according to the BBC2 NI schedule:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/schedules/ni/2013/09/22 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/schedules/ni/2013/09/22)

Brilliant! Five episodes of James Martin's Food Map Of Britain. The last one of which is "Northern Ireland".
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Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2013, 01:04:22 PM
They should be showing the minor match at least. 
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Post by: Redhand Santa on September 17, 2013, 01:12:16 PM
As I said previously I believe the deal given to the bbc by the ulster council was one that would have been very hard to turn down. The argument is that there general sports coverage throughout the year isn't balanced. I've noted that no one who believes their coverage is good has argued with my point that the coverage on tv in the next month would be considerably less than 20 percent.
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Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
As I said previously I believe the deal given to the bbc by the ulster council was one that would have been very hard to turn down. The argument is that there general sports coverage throughout the year isn't balanced. I've noted that no one who believes their coverage is good has argued with my point that the coverage on tv in the next month would be considerably less than 20 percent.
Only because it's a really daft point.

Between now and the the first week of October, there will be exactly zero senior games involving county teams from Ulster, and there will be exactly zero games in the Ulster club championships. So why would Gaelic Games feature strongly, or even significantly? Remember they're a REGIONAL broadcaster, and what happens in local-level sport isn't relevant.

Similarly, there's feck all coverage of soccer in July on BBC NI, as there's no matches taking place. Yes, major announcements make their way onto sports bulletins, but so did the news of Kieran McGeeney getting the chop, so did the news of Peter Canavan standing down, etc.

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Post by: rodney trotter on September 17, 2013, 01:57:19 PM
If there was any case for Club football - then maybe the County finals from each County should be mentioned, as the winners play in the Ulster Club. Not a Quarter final which Cross were involved in against Pearse Og. They win the Armagh club championship nearly every year, not big news, even if they were without Clarke and a few others. Great strength in depth
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Post by: armaghniac on September 17, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
is the soccer County Antrim shield a "regional" or a "local" competition
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9765116.stm
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Post by: sheamy on September 17, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
If there was any case for Club football - then maybe the County finals from each County should be mentioned, as the winners play in the Ulster Club. Not a Quarter final which Cross were involved in against Pearse Og. They win the Armagh club championship nearly every year, not big news, even if they were without Clarke and a few others. Great strength in depth

In fairness, I think the county finals usually are given some degree of coverage. It's no different from RTE in that respect.

GAA people usually take issue with the amount of coverage that god awful soccer league gets week in week out on tv for most of the year, and the fact there are usually more people at a county underage final than goes to these games.

In terms of county games the BBC does a very good job on radio.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
Simple facts:

BBC NI has a finite sports budget.

BBC NI has a responsibility to all its licence payers.

BBC has a balancing act to perform in terms of sports coverage,within the constraints of the budget available, and exactly like the Stormont Executive did in Stadia refurbishment (ironically the only dissenting voices to this emanate from Andersonstown nationalist residents opposed to a brand new 38,000 all seater GAA stadium!), prioritises the big three in terms of coverage, i.e. Soccer, GAA and Rugby Union.

Now you can argue about specifics etc, but no one can argue that all three of the aforementioned sports aren't allocated adequate and fair portions of BBC NI's sporting output.
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Post by: rodney trotter on September 17, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
If there was any case for Club football - then maybe the County finals from each County should be mentioned, as the winners play in the Ulster Club. Not a Quarter final which Cross were involved in against Pearse Og. They win the Armagh club championship nearly every year, not big news, even if they were without Clarke and a few others. Great strength in depth

In fairness, I think the county finals usually are given some degree of coverage. It's no different from RTE in that respect.

GAA people usually take issue with the amount of coverage that god awful soccer league gets week in week out on tv for most of the year, and the fact there are usually more people at a county underage final than goes to these games.

In terms of county games the BBC does a very good job on radio.

Wouldn't disagree.  Don't listen to it much, but the coverage is very good anytime I did hear it.
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Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2013, 03:57:56 PM
Simple facts:

BBC NI has a finite sports budget.

BBC NI has a responsibility to all its licence payers.

BBC has a balancing act to perform in terms of sports coverage,within the constraints of the budget available, and exactly like the Stormont Executive did in Stadia refurbishment (ironically the only dissenting voices to this emanate from Andersonstown nationalist residents opposed to a brand new 38,000 all seater GAA stadium!), prioritises the big three in terms of coverage, i.e. Soccer, GAA and Rugby Union.

Now you can argue about specifics etc, but no one can argue that all three of the aforementioned sports aren't allocated adequate and fair portions of BBC NI's sporting output.
Is that soup tasty tony
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Post by: Any craic on September 17, 2013, 04:17:43 PM
Ok Tony I think we've got your opinion by now. The BBC themselves couldn't do a better job than you and a few others on here defending them to the hilt, which is fair enough, a bit strange and repetitive but fair enough. I disagree but that's ok too. I also find a few of the arguments to be a bit strange over the last while, like 'Sidebottom, Niblock and O'Callaghan are there primarily for GAA coverage' (the three lads would laugh at that) and 'Expecting them (BBC) to cover club games to any great extent would be akin to expecting them to cover junior soccer'. Really?
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Post by: rrhf on September 17, 2013, 04:21:34 PM
To be honest its like a struggling marriage.  Great when they are with ye but half the time they are away from ye plotting again ye, planning to kill ye...
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Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Any craic it is very hard to take your arguments seriously based on the fact that you didn't even know that Kevin McGourty commentated / critiqued on club games on the radio and you didn't even know the particular national league game O'Neill mentioned was on!

You seem to like turning arguments round here and no doubt you'll just deem comments to be personal here when they're not really.

Can you answer this... Over this last year do you actually know what coverage the BBC had between club and county games? You're arguing vehmently here and rubbishing people who disagree with you when you can't even back up your arguments?

FWIW They could do better but it is pretty ludicrous to suggest they should be at a first round club championship games.RTE wouldn't be near it so why would BBC.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
Any craic. I dont think the BBC is perfect, but you cannot expect them to cover every facet of every major sport. Does club rugby for example get any coverage at all? Don't confuse standard of play/attendances as indicators of what should and should not be covered either. The fact of the matter is that Irish League soccer, relatively poor and all as  the standard  may be, and with relatively low attendances, is still the highest standard of soccer available in the region.

Stick in a F.O.I. request to  BBC NI and get an analysis of its sporting output broken down into the percentages for each sport.
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Post by: T Fearon on September 17, 2013, 04:52:04 PM
rrhf, a former prominent employee took a case against BBCNI alleging discrimination against Gaelic games. Even he, with more in depth inside information than any of us, couldn't produce a shred of evidence in a tribunal to support his allegations.

Pardon the pun, but I rest my case while I reach for a bowl of minestrone! ;D
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Post by: Any craic on September 17, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
No thanks Tony, you've clearly been onto the BBC info department, got the info and you keep repeating it on here! Personally I wouldn't take their stats are being anywhere near gospel. They're extremely good at twisting them. As for 'couldn't produce a shred of evidence' that's just daft. I don't know why you throw in these wild assumptions because they take away from your arguments. Where you in court? Did you hear all that went on? No and no.

imtommygun - calm her down there mate. You're all over the place with some of that stuff! Seriously, I think we've all put over our points by now, so let's park it without getting out of hand.
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Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2013, 05:07:51 PM
Haha, Joe Brolly eat your heart out with your debating style any craic.

I'm calm I just think you would be better placed to back up your arguments with facts rather than subjectivity!

Anyway the big test is whether they put ulster club on again. They canned them the other year and there was an uproar which got them back on. Hopefully that remains!.

I doubt we'll be seeing any AI finals the rest of the year or any live games. Would be nice to see some ulster club highlights on the news anyway as well as a radio show. TG4 seem to not put on very many ulster teams for whatever reason so viewing is minimal.

As JC says the hurling is a bit thin on the ground. I can't recall if they had highlights of the ulster club final last year. That would be my biggest gripe(I can't recall exactly). No highlights of county finals fair enough but ulster club final should be there.
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Post by: Any craic on September 17, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Ah now I have a bucketload of facts, as most on here know and have seen, don't kill me for making one slip! Don't hold your breath on the other stuff. Look, things have improved a bit at times, and there are some good people in there, and yes there are factors to consider, but still, for me and others, it could be an awful lot better. There's issues around balance and also the general attitude to GAA from management and certain presenters.
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Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
I agree with a lot of what you say. I think it could be better but I can't see where people are coming from with 1st round c'ship club games in Armagh...

For people that love the hurling too it's worse again but then when the ulster council pay the respect they do to hurling by putting provincial finals on in November it goes a bit deeper than the BBC.
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Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2013, 05:43:30 PM
Now, can we have a group hug and a wee mass?
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Post by: Any craic on September 17, 2013, 05:43:59 PM
I don't think it's just about the 'first round games in Armagh', it's about making an allowance for the GAA being different to other sports. That's where the comparison bit with the likes of junior soccer falls down. That just irks GAA folk. They're not unreasonable and they don't really expect blanket coverage of 'first round games' but they also don't understand how a sporting event that attracts a 4k attendance can be completely ignored. You would think that there should be middle ground. Instead, the BBC come across as arrogant because they don't seem to realise or care that by ignoring grass roots and taking regular pot shots at GAA when there's a bit of controversy that they piss everyone off. This, as I say, comes down to some presenters and management.
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Post by: ONeill on September