Money, Dublin and the GAA

Started by IolarCoisCuain, October 04, 2016, 07:27:37 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

From the Bunker

Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 12:02:20 PM
Fair play to Mulryan indeed for all his help....but he still had to be paid for the houses.
The whole question of funding Counties, expenditure on County teams etc , needs a serious examination to see if a solution based on fairness can be found.

It will never be completely fair. But there should be a common pool of money divided by 32 (or what ever the number is minus Kilkenny plus London and New York). A squad of 30+ players from Leitrim should be entitled to the same expenses as a squad from Mayo, Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry and the obvious one!

This is in relation to football only. Hurling would need a different mechanism!

Rossfan

They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

twohands!!!

Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.

Croke Park have taken over the administration of the players and backroom staff mileage and expenses scheme since last year.
Each county squad (both hurling and football) are entitled to expenses for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.
Grants from Croke Park to each county have been reduced as a result.



Rossfan

So in effect the individual Counties still bear the cost?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Tubberman

Quote from: twohands!!! on April 03, 2021, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
They're all entitled to the same official expenses but it's a major burden on small Counties' Boards.
Also Western and rural Counties bear a dispropriate burden.
Central GAA should pay them for a set number of weeks, say from 1st December or whenever till County finishes its Championship run - early June for most in the new split Season model.
Also some percentage of sponsorship needs pooling too.

Croke Park have taken over the administration of the players and backroom staff mileage and expenses scheme since last year.
Each county squad (both hurling and football) are entitled to expenses for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.
Grants from Croke Park to each county have been reduced as a result.




I thought that just a covid measure? is it a permanent arrangement?
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

screenexile

Was wondering how they'd afford the new management ticket!!

twohands!!!

#2782
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2021, 08:43:17 PM

I thought that just a covid measure? is it a permanent arrangement?

Permanent measure - GPA have been working for a good while to get this through.
Expenses/allowances have caused a world of bother over the years between county boards and squads.
Some of the worst behaviour by county board officials has been related to this - telling certain lads on panels they don't deserve it/trying to put lads who were injured off from claiming/delaying payments by months and months/massive differences in time scale between how different codes were treated. This wasn't all counties but over the years there have been some real terrible carry-on by some individuals in county boards. Croke Park taking care of it should improve matters a lot.
Story below is just one example. There were a lot of other cases over the years.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40217390.html

Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2021, 06:20:21 PM
So in effect the individual Counties still bear the cost?

County boards were getting grants from Croke Park from when the central agreement to pay players expenses started.
County boards aren't losing out at all.
County boards also save time/money on the administration of this.

Counties are curently still allowed carry more than the 32 players and 9 backroom team but any of these additional/extra costs the county has to bear [don't be surprised if this - being allowed carry more than 32+9 - comes under pressure down the road - there was already talk that this (32+9) should be the maximum allowed in total]

What's really going to be interesting in the various county board financial accounts is the money spent on intercounty teams preparation, when these standard player and backroom expenses are taken out. Will give a clearer idea on what counties are spending on intercounty preparation over the standard allowances to players.

These measure should benefit a lot of the weaker teams in the less popular codes e.g. hurling in a lot of counties and football in some of the hurling counties.

For a lot of managers the fact that the expenses/allowances for a squad of 32 players and a backroom team of 9 expenses are guaranteed and administered by Croke Park for pre-season training,league and championship without having to go anywhere near the county board will be a massive plus. I'd say if you looked at a lot of intercounty squads they came nowhere near having expenses covered for 32 players and 9 backroom staff.

It's not going to solve all the issues around the cost of intercounty teams but it is a step forward, especially for the players on teams lower down the divisions.

Louther

Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.

heffo

Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.

When Banty was Meath manager  the Meath team would train in Monaghan in club jersies during the close season. It's not a new development for them.

the goal was on

Wonder were donie Buckley and Johnny Davis there? Book needs to be thrown at them too as they have clearly breached the travel rules.

Mayo Border

Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.
Dubs off the hook. The matter is now diluted and shure they're all at it etc. New GAA president Larry McCarthy announced today that following this latest transgression, a committee has been set up to  review the issue . No mention of a committee when Cormac Costelloe, Fenton, Cooper etc were caught at 6'o'clock in the morning down the shady lane.

macker15

Quote from: Mayo Border on April 08, 2021, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.
Dubs off the hook. The matter is now diluted and shure they're all at it etc. New GAA president Larry McCarthy announced today that following this latest transgression, a committee has been set up to  review the issue . No mention of a committee when Cormac Costelloe, Fenton, Cooper etc were caught at 6'o'clock in the morning down the shady lane.

How long were the Cork and Down lads banned for?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
Monaghan going to take some heat off Dublin or adding to it?

Seems they'd a full training session at the Bantys home club. Book couldn't be fired hard enough at him in fairness.

Both. Adding to the GAA's arseache that they are perceived to not give a shit. They don't know county sides are training on association grounds but will catch anyone renting the astro to soccer. Hmmmm.

Still doesn't let the Dubs off the hook but its getting lost in a broader debacle.


macker15

Quote from: Rossfan on March 04, 2021, 09:20:37 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 03, 2021, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 03, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
We've followed some bad Dublin sides in the 90s and 00s but we still went to the games. I remember losing a league final to cork in Pairc Ui Caoimh in the pissing rain when there were more dubs fans there than cork fans. It's a sad state of affairs when people will only go to games they know their team will win. That's so childish it's actually funny.

Dublin won every other Leinster title during those two decades ffs.

It's a mark of the lack of perspective many Dubs have that they would consider the teams that produced that sort of return as 'bad'.

Perhaps also explains why many of those same Dubs don't seem to understand the problem with 15/16.

Dubs won Leinster in 1995 and didn't win it again until 2002.  It was only really from 2006 they started dominating in Leinster and even then they were getting battered in All Ireland quarter finals and/semi finals.

While that dubs side of the late noughties was a decent side, but no world beaters the rest of Leinster was pretty much rubbish. I'm not sure what the reasons are for that, but I'm sure someone can find a way to blame the dubs

All examples or comparisons pre-2011 are irrelevant. You can say Dublin suffered this or Dublin lost that. That was a different Dublin. A Dublin without finances.

I will be cheering on Dublin again this year. The only way for this to stop is for Dublin to keep winning. The only problem is how long the GAA decide to go on with this fiasco. They have already let Leinster drift into the quagmire for nearly 2 decades! God only knows how long this fiasco can go on before someone shouts stop!
Since the Qualifiers came in Leinster falling into a quagmire wasn't too serious.
Now that the AI has sunk its a different story but the GAA top brass are still ignoring it, helped by various media useful eejits and needy Co and Provincial Chairs.

Morteen Breheny  and Colm Keys have highlighted this for years and as well as RTE and Newstalk