Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

Started by full moon, May 07, 2022, 12:15:48 PM

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Earlier Championship

Success
60 (38.2%)
Failure
64 (40.8%)
Too early to say
33 (21%)

Total Members Voted: 157

seafoid

All championships should be finalised by a fixed date and  the consequences worked backwards. December should be GAA free. Players deserve a break.

Eire90

Quote from: johnnycool on August 23, 2023, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on August 23, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
All county championships should be knockout.

Should the Sam Maguire be as well?

probably but they wont go with a 16 team knockout

Rossfan

Quote from: Eire90 on August 23, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
All county championships should be knockout.
Why?
So lads will have more time for soccer and fkn rugger?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Eire90


Saffrongael

Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Eire90

maybe they should have started league and championship later or had a break between them

Milltown Row2

Would there be interest in a league tournament like the all Ireland club series, for the county league winners?

Dates and timings always difficult but promoting the league can have benefits too

County League winners are generally not always County champions running something like that would lift the importance of playing well in the league, clubs are hampered who have county players but thats always hard to facilitate until championship but open to debate?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Eire90

was actually going to say maybe league winners can be get a place in the provincial club championships tho that might take some shine of winning the county championship  it would doulble the size of provincial club championships so more revenue for provincial councils.

seafoid

This applies to club as much as county.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/
"There is an emotional component to championship matches that doesn't exist week-in, week-out in the bread-and-butter leagues of professional sports. In the GAA, emotional investment is what distinguishes the seasons. Those emotions can't be kept on a boilerplate, they need time to cool and heat."



seafoid

I wanted to compare the club setups around the country but there was enough statistical significance in 5.
The problem with the clubs is the all Ireland at the end. Leinster and Ulster need 4 weekends to run off . The all Ireland is another 2.

County Boards are incredibly busy running off myriad competitions.

Here are 5 counties with latest status this weekend.

Laois
Number in Round Robin Groups : 8

Latest RRG round : 3


http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31915.0
https://laoisgaa.ie/fixtures-results/?owner=2160&orderTBCLast=Y&resultsOnly=Y&noTBC=Y&showByeGames=N&compStyle=football

2.Antrim. Already at quarter final stage

3. Derry
RRG group size : 6
Latest RRG group : 4
https://derrygaa.ie/results/?countyBoardID=7&resultsOnly=Y&daysPrevious=28&reverseDateOrder=Y

4. Galway
RRGs 3
Size of RRG : 6
Latest round 3

5. Tyrone
It's a knockout .
So there are 32 different systems.
This is not good enough especially with the provincial/all Ireland at the end.

If there are qfs add 3
Add 4 for provincial
Add 2 for all Ireland
That's 9 weeks.
Add a margin.

The player load has been moved to the clubs. Especially dual clubs.

I counted 13 weeks to the first week in December.



Rossfan

Only around 7or 8% of Clubs get to play in those Provincial Competitions, half them get ONE GAME in it.
A far higher percentage of Clubs are finished by mid/lare September.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

Quote from: Rossfan on August 28, 2023, 10:09:13 AM
Only around 7or 8% of Clubs get to play in those Provincial Competitions, half them get ONE GAME in it.
A far higher percentage of Clubs are finished by mid/lare September.
What counts is those left in and how long it takes to run off. The highest demands are on the best players. This was one of the problems with the club all Ireland fiasco earlier this year. There was no time for a replay.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/23/glen-express-disappointment-at-gaas-failure-to-review-breach-of-rules/


A rematch the likely resolution. Although Mullin had no material impact on the play that unfolded – he didn't touch the ball – there is a view that it's impossible to infer what would have happened had the correct number of players been on the field.

Eire90

would a few counties have only club activity during summer and early autumn do some counties only have like 7 league games in tyrone they  have 15 plus any playoffs.

SCFC

Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2023, 10:03:17 AM
I wanted to compare the club setups around the country but there was enough statistical significance in 5.
The problem with the clubs is the all Ireland at the end. Leinster and Ulster need 4 weekends to run off . The all Ireland is another 2.

County Boards are incredibly busy running off myriad competitions.

Here are 5 counties with latest status this weekend.

Laois
Number in Round Robin Groups : 8

Latest RRG round : 3


http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31915.0
https://laoisgaa.ie/fixtures-results/?owner=2160&orderTBCLast=Y&resultsOnly=Y&noTBC=Y&showByeGames=N&compStyle=football

2.Antrim. Already at quarter final stage

3. Derry
RRG group size : 6
Latest RRG group : 4
https://derrygaa.ie/results/?countyBoardID=7&resultsOnly=Y&daysPrevious=28&reverseDateOrder=Y

4. Galway
RRGs 3
Size of RRG : 6
Latest round 3

5. Tyrone
It's a knockout .
So there are 32 different systems.
This is not good enough especially with the provincial/all Ireland at the end.

If there are qfs add 3
Add 4 for provincial
Add 2 for all Ireland
That's 9 weeks.
Add a margin.

The player load has been moved to the clubs. Especially dual clubs.

I counted 13 weeks to the first week in December.
Laois SFC doesn't have round robin groups. It has an open draw for 16 teams with a backdoor and a SFC "B" and relegation process for those who don't make the quarter finals.

seafoid

Quote from: SCFC on August 28, 2023, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2023, 10:03:17 AM
I wanted to compare the club setups around the country but there was enough statistical significance in 5.
The problem with the clubs is the all Ireland at the end. Leinster and Ulster need 4 weekends to run off . The all Ireland is another 2.

County Boards are incredibly busy running off myriad competitions.

Here are 5 counties with latest status this weekend.

Laois
Number in Round Robin Groups : 8

Latest RRG round : 3


http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31915.0
https://laoisgaa.ie/fixtures-results/?owner=2160&orderTBCLast=Y&resultsOnly=Y&noTBC=Y&showByeGames=N&compStyle=football

2.Antrim. Already at quarter final stage

3. Derry
RRG group size : 6
Latest RRG group : 4
https://derrygaa.ie/results/?countyBoardID=7&resultsOnly=Y&daysPrevious=28&reverseDateOrder=Y

4. Galway
RRGs 3
Size of RRG : 6
Latest round 3

5. Tyrone
It's a knockout .
So there are 32 different systems.
This is not good enough especially with the provincial/all Ireland at the end.

If there are qfs add 3
Add 4 for provincial
Add 2 for all Ireland
That's 9 weeks.
Add a margin.

The player load has been moved to the clubs. Especially dual clubs.

I counted 13 weeks to the first week in December.
Laois SFC doesn't have round robin groups. It has an open draw for 16 teams with a backdoor and a SFC "B" and relegation process for those who don't make the quarter finals.
Thanks for the clarification. There is no consistency at county level.