The Many Faces of US Politics...

[glens73]

Violence in the face of hundreds of years of continuing systemic racism is entirely understandable.

How African-Americans have remained so overwhelmingly peace-loving in the face of utterly evil injustice and atrocity committed by whites throughout American history, I don't know.

Very much so and also the Native Americans, all but wiped them out.

[J70]

What happened to George Floyd is reprehensible and the cop should be charged with manslaughter at the least , burning down your neighborhood won't help your community.

Of course.

And there's obviously some opportunists taking advantage to loot.

But, I can sympathize with the desperation and lashing out too.

Maybe Kapernick had the right approach. Unfortunately a lot of people just didn't want to hear it.

[whitey]

Violence in the face of hundreds of years of continuing systemic racism is entirely understandable.

How African-Americans have remained so overwhelmingly peace-loving in the face of utterly evil injustice and atrocity committed by whites throughout American history, I don't know.

I have been doing a lot of reading during the pandemic about Jim Crown and the Civil Rights movement and politics in general

There is a need for some type of truth commission like they had in South Africa after apartheid.

The African American communities need serious infusions of capital and resources. Let's bring as many jobs back from overseas as possible and give a job to everyone who wants one.

[sid waddell]

The same guy who says he's studying Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement doesn't have a clue how the Trump-glorifying racist rot he's posted here for years is part of the problem, that he is current day Jim Crow personified with his constant excuses, gaslighting, both sidesing, obfuscations, denials and lies.

To black people and to any reasonable people, ie. anti-racist people, because if you're not anti-racist you're not reasonable -  Trump, the Republicans, and people who refuse to come to terms with both America's history and its present are Jim Crow.

[J70]

That's a bit harsh there Sid.

I don't agree with whitey on much politically, but I don't ever recall him condoning or defending any racist nonsense here.

[whitey]

The same guy who says he's studying Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement doesn't have a clue how the Trump-glorifying racist rot he's posted here for years is part of the problem, that he is current day Jim Crow personified with his constant excuses, gaslighting, both sidesing, obfuscations, denials and lies.

To black people and to any reasonable people, ie. anti-racist people, because if you're not anti-racist you're not reasonable -  Trump, the Republicans, and people who refuse to come to terms with both America's history and its present are Jim Crow.

I don't know who's posts you've been reading but they're not mine if that's what your take away is

So saying the FBI shouldn't  have surveilled Trumps campaign based on a fake dossier is somehow glorifying Trumps racism .......

Saying pointing out that the FBI made 17 "errors" in their FISA applications including perjury and forgery Is somehow glorifying Trumps racism

Saying that losing General Flynn's 302 and having an FBI attorney (who wasn't present at his interview) edit the transcript is a serious violation of the law

LOL-and that's why, in a nutshell, you guys could very easily lose again in November if you keep it up

AGREE WITH US ON EVERYTHING OR YOURE A RACIST

[sid waddell]

That's a bit harsh there Sid.

I don't agree with whitey on much politically, but I don't ever recall him condoning or defending any racist nonsense here.

Not a bit harsh - the sort of gaslighting, denials, obfuscation, lies and dog whistles he specialises in - and indeed conservative politics in general - are all part of the rotten, racist tapestry of America.

You're either a racist or an anti-racist. Anti-racism involves outright and consistent repudiation of Trump and the Republican party and calling them out for what they are - a fascist, racist, white supremacist cesspit. The Democrats are by no means clean either, because so much of white America in general refuses to face up to reality - but the Republicans are the Jim Crow party.

[sid waddell]

The previous post but one is an example of the "mindset" (if you could call it a mind) of who somebody lives on Earth 2, an insane, paranoid, thought bubble of fake victimhood where those who inhabit it literally believe whatever they want to believe.

Such people do not deal in reality or fact and have rejected thinking for a comforting bubble of racist white supremacism.

Even now, all that poster can think about, is the racist, white supremacist, kleptocratic, openly dictatorial powers-pursuing Trump regime as victim - fake victim.

The Trump thought bubble, the cult, in a nutshell.

[whitey]

That's a bit harsh there Sid.

I don't agree with whitey on much politically, but I don't ever recall him condoning or defending any racist nonsense here.

Not a bit harsh - the sort of gaslighting, denials, obfuscation, lies and dog whistles he specialises in - and indeed conservative politics in general - are all part of the rotten, racist tapestry of America.

You're either a racist or an anti-racist. Anti-racism involves outright and consistent repudiation of Trump and the Republican party and calling them out for what they are - a fascist, racist, white supremacist cesspit. The Democrats are by no means clean either, because so much of white America in general refuses to face up to reality - but the Republicans are the Jim Crow party.

And Sid, this is exactly the type of codswallop that prompted some people, who otherwise wouldn't have,  to vote from Trump in the first place back in 2016.  Keep it up and you'll have another 4 years to endure

[sid waddell]

That's a bit harsh there Sid.

I don't agree with whitey on much politically, but I don't ever recall him condoning or defending any racist nonsense here.

Not a bit harsh - the sort of gaslighting, denials, obfuscation, lies and dog whistles he specialises in - and indeed conservative politics in general - are all part of the rotten, racist tapestry of America.

You're either a racist or an anti-racist. Anti-racism involves outright and consistent repudiation of Trump and the Republican party and calling them out for what they are - a fascist, racist, white supremacist cesspit. The Democrats are by no means clean either, because so much of white America in general refuses to face up to reality - but the Republicans are the Jim Crow party.

And Sid, this is exactly the type of codswallop that prompted some people, who otherwise wouldn't have,  to vote from Trump in the first place back in 2016.  Keep it up and you'll have another 4 years to endure

There you go J70.

[whitey]

There you go......what?


There seem to be boogey men hiding in every closet Sid.....take a walk and relax a little

(Oh, but hold on, maybe I'm now a homophobe for using the work "closet", or perhaps I'm guilty of some type of "cultural misappropriation')


Maybe if I said something was a witch hunt, you'd be outraged on behalf of all the witches and wicans

[omaghjoe]

What alot of posters dont seem to very au fait with is how people feel about politics in the us, and that seems to be what whitey is trying to familarise people with.

Anyone taking a black and white view point on us politics needs to get out a bit and talk to people esp people that have differing opinions to themselves. Then again if your posting from ireland your probably seeing america thru the prison of common media narratives...and you may have a perspective set in concrete that will be very difficult to shift without talking to normal people who have an opinion that you may think is nuts.
Bottom line is this... people have differing opinions they mostly all come from a genuine place, and if you dont like those opinions it doesn't mean they're the devil.

[sid waddell]

What alot of posters dont seem to very au fait with is how people feel about politics in the us, and that seems to be what whitey is trying to familarise people with.

Anyone taking a black and white view point on us politics needs to get out a bit and talk to people esp people that have differing opinions to themselves. Then again if your posting from ireland your probably seeing america thru the prison of common media narratives...and you may have a perspective set in concrete that will be very difficult to shift without talking to normal people who have an opinion that you may think is nuts.
Bottom line is this... people have differing opinions they mostly all come from a genuine place, and if you dont like those opinions it doesn't mean they're the devil.

This is complete bullshit.

The world is intimately familiar with how Trump and Trump supporters think. We've constantly had it shoved down our throats for the last five years. We see it every minute of every day. And there is no legitimacy to it. None whatsoever.

This is a black and white situation, just like what happened in 1930s Germany was a black and white situation. This is kleptocracy. This is corruption. This is brainwashing. This is naked racism. This is fascism.

This has to end.

No legitimacy whatsoever should be afforded to this cancerous, fascist ideology, because it has none.

It is the spearhead of a massive international power grab by the far right to enable them to live like kings and the rest to live like serfs.

It is nihilism, it is evil.

Call it for what it is.

[omaghjoe]

Despite living in California you'll prob be surprised I know plenty of Trump supporters..family friends work colleagues etc. None of them are evil and none of them are Nazi supporters. There is a multitude of reasons for their support of (or at least voted for) Trump
If youve never met a Trump supporters and know them reasonably well and your only understanding of them is thru media outlets then I think it's safe to say you have no understanding of what they think and to your sweeping vitorlic statements about their mindset and beliefs is as just as misguided (more so in most cases) as their belief in Trump.
I understand your narrative tho, US politics is in a frustrating position but if we don't understand why it is there in the first place well never get out of it. Taking an abrasive polar position to what you dont like is an easy option and may seem like the right thing to do,  but its not a very productive one if you want to change hearts and minds, ultimately it just leads to more division.

[sid waddell]

Despite living in California you'll prob be surprised I know plenty of Trump supporters..family friends work colleagues etc. None of them are evil and none of them are Nazi supporters. There is a multitude of reasons for their support of (or at least voted for) Trump
If youve never met a Trump supporters and know them reasonably well and your only understanding of them is thru media outlets then I think it's safe to say you have no understanding of what they think and to your sweeping vitorlic statements about their mindset and beliefs is as just as misguided (more so in most cases) as their belief in Trump.
I understand your narrative tho, US politics is in a frustrating position but if we don't understand why it is there in the first place well never get out of it. Taking an abrasive polar position to what you dont like is an easy option and may seem like the right thing to do,  but its not a very productive one if you want to change hearts and minds, ultimately it just leads to more division.

All of your friends who are Trump supporters are happy to put up with endemic and vicious racism and the destruction of objective truth. They're happy to put up with massive corruption and kleptocracy. They're happy to put up with an all out assault on science.

They're happy to put up with fascism, in other words.

And if you support Trump, so are you.

Don't f**king patronise me about what I can see with my own two eyes.

Have you considered that the people who live amongst a majority ruling class intent on keeping minoritiees down with a jackboot are the very worst people to judge what is actually going on, and to evaluate what they support?

Your rhetoric is the exact same as those who say "you don't live in East Belfast so you have no understanding of why people support the DUP", "you don't live in a white area of South Africa so you have no understanding of why people support apartheid", or "you don't live in 1930s Germany so you have no idea why people support Hitler".

Judging by your user name you come from Omagh. Somebody from Omagh should have more reason than most to understand the dangers of sectarian and ethnic fanaticism. They should have more reason than most to understand the effects of a majority ruling class who treat ethnic minorities like shit, and what it does to those minorities.

Frankly, any Irish person who supports Trump or would even consider doing so is betraying their own history - and the history of the struggle of Irish people to be free and to be treated justly.