Stormont Assembly Elections 2017

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"Gerry Adams says unionist majority 'demolished'"


Does anyone else think the likes of Gerry Adams using this type of language will cause a negative reaction within the middle ground of unionism and is therefore unhelpful? More consistent statesmen like language and reasoned positions in regard to dealing with the DUP would be much better received I would say.

He should be a bit more conciliatory about it and to be fair O'Neill is making all the right noises in that regard.

Her dressing down of Gilernew back in February is hopefully the start of rooting out that mentality which really doesn't need to be there anymore. Everybody knows Unionism is in crisis and short of a baby boom they're not going to have the power they once had ever again.

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If Sinn Fein are to learn any lessons from this election it is that triumphalism and complacency will come back to bite at the next election since a kick back can be expected particulary in relation to northern politics. Gerry Adams is no statesman in a situation like this, in fact he can be a liability foe the party at times and probably still the unionists main galvanising weapon.

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"Gerry Adams says unionist majority 'demolished'"


Does anyone else think the likes of Gerry Adams using this type of language will cause a negative reaction within the middle ground of unionism and is therefore unhelpful? More consistent statesmen like language and reasoned positions in regard to dealing with the DUP would be much better received I would say.

Yep, no call for it ... If Nationalism is to go into the ascendancy which I hope it is, we need to (for many reasons) treat Unionism better than they treated us .. His words weren't helpful and he should have chosen better..

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He hasn't been triumphalist at all, in anything i've seen, even offering partial redemption to Foster. Is that the full actual quote, or is there a link to the article?

[ashman]

Boys

Why are Catholics continuing to outbreed Protestants in the North.

All the old explanations like contraception , role of women , poverty etc are no longer applicable IMO.

Any ideas ??

[AhNowRef]

Catholic Wemen are just super horney all the time 

[haranguerer]

He hasn't been triumphalist at all, in anything i've seen, even offering partial redemption to Foster. Is that the full actual quote, or is there a link to the article?

Ah, I see he has been misquoted in the indo, and rte. Thats surprising...

https://www.rte.ie/news/assembly-election-2017/2017/0304/857147-assembly-elections/

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/perpetual-unionist-majority-at-stormont-demolished-says-gerry-adams-35502486.html

Actual quote, the idea of a perpetual unionist majority... These nuances make big differences, spreading mis-quotes doesn't help anyone.

Interestingly reported correctly in the british outlets...

http://news.sky.com/story/sinn-fein-cuts-dup-advantage-to-a-single-seat-in-stormont-elections-10789255

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39168875
Mr Adams said the idea of "a perpetual unionist majority has been demolished".

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He hasn't been triumphalist at all, in anything i've seen, even offering partial redemption to Foster. Is that the full actual quote, or is there a link to the article?

Ah, I see he has been misquoted in the indo, and rte. Thats surprising...

https://www.rte.ie/news/assembly-election-2017/2017/0304/857147-assembly-elections/

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/perpetual-unionist-majority-at-stormont-demolished-says-gerry-adams-35502486.html

Actual quote, the idea of a perpetual unionist majority... These nuances make big differences, spreading mis-quotes doesn't help anyone.

Interestingly reported correctly in the british outlets...

http://news.sky.com/story/sinn-fein-cuts-dup-advantage-to-a-single-seat-in-stormont-elections-10789255

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39168875
Mr Adams said the idea of "a perpetual unionist majority has been demolished".

That was how I read it but I got distracted by the sudden thoughts of northern horny women.

Still, I think Adams was being premature with his statement of some certainty.

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He hasn't been triumphalist at all, in anything i've seen, even offering partial redemption to Foster. Is that the full actual quote, or is there a link to the article?

Ah, I see he has been misquoted in the indo, and rte. Thats surprising...

https://www.rte.ie/news/assembly-election-2017/2017/0304/857147-assembly-elections/

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/perpetual-unionist-majority-at-stormont-demolished-says-gerry-adams-35502486.html

Actual quote, the idea of a perpetual unionist majority... These nuances make big differences, spreading mis-quotes doesn't help anyone.

Interestingly reported correctly in the british outlets...

http://news.sky.com/story/sinn-fein-cuts-dup-advantage-to-a-single-seat-in-stormont-elections-10789255

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39168875
Mr Adams said the idea of "a perpetual unionist majority has been demolished".

He didn't need to say that and if you were a Unionist would you care about the nuance? Adams should have phrased it better or not used the term at all!!

You have  speak more carefully in this age as even the tiniest things from an interview or speech can be hand picked and ruin you. Sinn Fein have played things well up to now but they have keep this up and not lose momentum with the middle ground Nationalists who voted for them this time round. If another election is called again in 2/3 months time they will face a stronger challenge from Unionists and they have to be ready for it!

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He hasn't been triumphalist at all, in anything i've seen, even offering partial redemption to Foster. Is that the full actual quote, or is there a link to the article?

Ah, I see he has been misquoted in the indo, and rte. Thats surprising...

https://www.rte.ie/news/assembly-election-2017/2017/0304/857147-assembly-elections/

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/perpetual-unionist-majority-at-stormont-demolished-says-gerry-adams-35502486.html

Actual quote, the idea of a perpetual unionist majority... These nuances make big differences, spreading mis-quotes doesn't help anyone.

Interestingly reported correctly in the british outlets...

http://news.sky.com/story/sinn-fein-cuts-dup-advantage-to-a-single-seat-in-stormont-elections-10789255

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39168875
Mr Adams said the idea of "a perpetual unionist majority has been demolished".

He didn't need to say that and if you were a Unionist would you care about the nuance? Adams should have phrased it better or not used the term at all!!

You have  speak more carefully in this age as even the tiniest things from an interview or speech can be hand picked and ruin you. Sinn Fein have played things well up to now but they have keep this up and not lose momentum with the middle ground Nationalists who voted for them this time round. If another election is called again in 2/3 months time they will face a stronger challenge from Unionists and they have to be ready for it!

Hold on - how could you not care about the nuance?? The issue here isn't what was said, its what hes been quoted as saying. How could he control that?

The fact is, the idea of a unionist majority has been demolished - that is fact, no matter if you are unionist or nationalist, and it is a relevant statement in talking about what that election has done.

It is by no means certain that a unionist majority has been demolished, and it would be irresponsible to state that, and it is irresponsible to misquote Adams as having said it.

How can you blame him for saying things he didn't say?

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Still, I think Adams was being premature with his statement of some certainty.

How? There is now a nationalist majority, you think its premature to say the idea that there will be always a unionist majority has been demolished? Its stating the blindingly obvious.

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Boys

Why are Catholics continuing to outbreed Protestants in the North.

All the old explanations like contraception , role of women , poverty etc are no longer applicable IMO.

Any ideas ??

This was discussed elsewhere. There isn't much difference in the birthrates, although perhaps Catholics are more likely to live in the country and have bigger houses etc. and perhaps slightly bigger families.  There was a big difference in the 70s-80s-90s though, and so there are more Catholics in the 20-40 age group, the group that have children, and so even if the birthrates are the same there will still be more Catholics born.

[ashman]

Boys

Why are Catholics continuing to outbreed Protestants in the North.

All the old explanations like contraception , role of women , poverty etc are no longer applicable IMO.

Any ideas ??

That sound plausible .
This was discussed elsewhere. There isn't much difference in the birthrates, although perhaps Catholics are more likely to live in the country and have bigger houses etc. and perhaps slightly bigger families.  There was a big difference in the 70s-80s-90s though, and so there are more Catholics in the 20-40 age group, the group that have children, and so even if the birthrates are the same there will still be more Catholics born.

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Boys

Why are Catholics continuing to outbreed Protestants in the North.

All the old explanations like contraception , role of women , poverty etc are no longer applicable IMO.

Any ideas ??

This was discussed elsewhere. There isn't much difference in the birthrates, although perhaps Catholics are more likely to live in the country and have bigger houses etc. and perhaps slightly bigger families.  There was a big difference in the 70s-80s-90s though, and so there are more Catholics in the 20-40 age group, the group that have children, and so even if the birthrates are the same there will still be more Catholics born.

I have read that Protestant students are more likely than Catholics to go to university in GB and after graduation remain there adding to the changing demographics in the younger age group.

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Boys

Why are Catholics continuing to outbreed Protestants in the North.

All the old explanations like contraception , role of women , poverty etc are no longer applicable IMO.

Any ideas ??

This was discussed elsewhere. There isn't much difference in the birthrates, although perhaps Catholics are more likely to live in the country and have bigger houses etc. and perhaps slightly bigger families.  There was a big difference in the 70s-80s-90s though, and so there are more Catholics in the 20-40 age group, the group that have children, and so even if the birthrates are the same there will still be more Catholics born.

I have read that Protestant students are more likely than Catholics to go to university in GB and after graduation remain there adding to the changing demographics in the younger age group.

Not true I have seen an article where the numbers going to GB for university are about the same. If anything the financial crisis probably hit the nationalist community more for emigration. You only have to look at some GAA teams in the west who struggle to field a team now and yet teams across the world flourish. The real reason for demographic change is rather morbid - in the over 65 age group the protestant background community is roughly 2/3rds compared to 1/3rd catholic so as each year goes by even if the birth rates were the same which they are not there is still a big differential made all the more important because of the greater likelihood of older people to vote!! The numbers have been there for some time but the nationalists just have not been voting because there was no point as even the GFA and ST Andrews agreements were not even being implemented. Arlene all on her own changed all that and gave them several reasons to vote. I myself though the demographic time bomb had become a hoax but looks like under the right circumstances its very real!!