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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 18, 2018, 05:04:23 PM »
Just listening to the wooly podcast and they talked about the ban handed out up here. They read out that all senior teams have been suspended - does that mean they're out of reserve championship too or a complete ban next year as in league and all? Haven't seen anything official yet.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
« on: October 17, 2018, 04:06:25 PM »
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

There was a rumour floating around at one stage they were going to get a full senior team ban from league and everything. Probably thought it wouldn't stick though

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 10, 2018, 10:37:50 AM »
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
 Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.

I played in MHC final for a Ballyvarley/Ballela mix loosing to Ballycran by the odd score about 15 years ago. We had an awesome team back then.

That's the problem with hurling in Down in a nutshell right there.

Every once in a while the likes of Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, CPN, Clonduff, Carrduff, Castlewellan. Shamrocks will come along with a strong underage team as good as anything in the Ards but then nothing behind it for eons to sustain a proper rip at senior hurling and then just dip in between intermediate and Junior at best.

Liatroim have a good nucleus of young hurlers in Adult hurling which got them into the Ulster Intermediate club championship but didn't field at minor or U16 at all this year, didn't turn up for an U14 championship semi-final against a very dominant Portaferry who've been putting 20 to 30 points on everyone at this grade, but not turning up doesn't set a good example to those young lads that giving up is an option.

It will be interesting to see if they play senior championship next year as they should do as Senior club hurling in the Ards is no big shakes at the minute.

From what I heard that is their plan - whether it works out or not is a different thing.

The hurling clubs outside of the Ards struggle for the same reasons as a rule - numbers. Bredagh and Carryduff don't have that issue and there seems to be some really good hurling men involved there. When I started playing junior hurling 20 odd years ago there was teams in Drumaness, Rostrevor, Darragh Cross and Downpatrick to name a few and they're all gone. Most of the clubs left depend on picking up players from neighbouring football clubs. When I played underage hurling Ballela would have had players from Annaclone and Banbridge, Ballyvarley had fellas from Tullylish and Glenn, even Liatroim had a crowd of Kilcoo lads and some from St Johns. The problem with that is holding on to them after underage level. It's like double drop out levels. It's very hard to play for 2 clubs at senior level hurling and football. I did it for a while but it takes a bit of work to keep both happy.

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General discussion / Re: The Official UFC Thread
« on: October 09, 2018, 12:59:48 PM »
Agree with Syf here to a point with regards to the UFC needing names to sell fights rather than the best MMA exponents.

If all they are interested in is making money then they need to suspend/ban Khabib for as long as possible. He is and will be completely dominant in this division and no one will touch him. However we wont make the money for the company that other fighters can clearly make. He doesnt sell PPV. Its pretty simple.

McGregor is a good fighter and a great promoter and he will bring the cash to the company. It is in their interests to keep him at the top of the pile

So instead of getting the best in the sport to the front they should get the best promoters to the front.

It then is no longer a sport!

It never was a sport, it was/ is a business.

MMA isn't a sport?  You're kidding, right?

MMA is a sport - UFC is a promotion business

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The thing that drives me crazy at u8 or u10 blitzes is that the manager a lot of time seem to think they must win at all cost or they will be shamed in the parish forever.  Not only do some of the kids rarely get on but the one or two dig hairy lads for that grade who can beat the whole other team or there own are given free licence to do that.  Most of the other young fellas are standing around getting cold and have gained nothing at all from coming and the good ones are getting really bad habits that is going to be hard to correct when they get older.

If every team was given a random coloured jersey at an u8 blitz and I walked in without knowing which teams where which I could almost certainly tell within 5 minutes which team was Kilcoo.  They aren't any stronger than anyone else at that grade but they are already getting the young fellas to play as a team, look up, pass, move etc.  They may even be losing matches at that grade because of this team first mentality but winning big time in the long run as all their players are involved in the game, improving and learning the correct way to play.

100% agree with this. In our club we mostly play small non competitive blitzes/games throughout the year for 8s especially but got invited to a couple of tournaments with cups at the end of the year. Needless to say normal enough fellas lost their minds on the sideline. Managers telling lads to take players out, managers not making any subs, wee lads and girls upset with not getting playing, parents losing their shit because their lad didn't play every minute and men challenging refs decisions. Don't agree with it all.

I have helped out at the hurling this year too and it's completely different.

On Kilcoo - say their U8s and they are brilliantly coached. Although our lads kept with them it was the way they played with the ball that stood out. Conor Laverty is a fantastic coach

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: October 01, 2018, 10:35:26 AM »
SFC
Burren

IFC
Bredagh

JFC
Teconnaught

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: September 27, 2018, 08:55:08 AM »
Problem here is that Moyes was Fergie’s choice. If you can’t trust the opinion of the club’s most successful manager, therefore greatest “football man”, who the f**k should you turn to?

Fergie worked a miracle that last year. How he won a league so commandingly with one player was astonishing. Anyone taking over was fcuked.

His second last season with United they finished on 89 points without Van Persie so it was hardly miracle work to gain the same points total the following year with a in form striker added to the squad.
But he was using an aging team at the time. A lot of class players with the clock running down. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Scholes, even RVP and Rooney. That's not taking away from the achievement but there wasn't a long term solution there. Signings in the last couple of seasons, apart from De Gea, didn't do much either. Moyes could of steered that ship much better though.

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: September 17, 2018, 08:59:04 AM »
SFC
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
IFC
Liatriom
Bredagh
JFC
Teconnaught
Aughlisnafin

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: August 29, 2018, 03:03:05 PM »
SFC
Quarter-final
Burren
Loughinisland
Kilcoo
Mayobridge

IFC
Quarter-final
Liatriom
Darragh Cross
Annaclone
Ballymartin

JFC
Quarter-Final
Teconnaught
Aughlisnafin
Ardglass
Kilclief

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: August 21, 2018, 01:35:44 PM »
SFC
Bryansford
Clonduff
Loughinisland
Glenn

IFC
Round 3
Atticall
Liatriom
Saul
Bredagh


JFC
Preliminary Round
Kilclief
Aughlisnafin
St Michael’s

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football team of the 90s
« on: August 17, 2018, 09:02:06 AM »
Neil Collins
Kieran McKeever
Darren Fay
Tony Scullion
Paul Curran
Glenn Ryan
Sean Og DePaor
Anthony Tohill
John McDermott
Graham Geraghty
Greg Blaney
Ja Fallon
Mickey Linden
Peter Canavan
Maurice Fitzgerald

It is easier to pick a 90's team, as generally, players can be picked in their positions, or certainly in the same line that they operated in!
Neil Collins was the best keeper in Ireland in the first half of 90's - ironically John O'Leary was getting the All-Stars he probably didnt deserve, and Cluxton who has set the bar so high currently struggles to get them.
Although Derry only won Ulster/All Ireland in '93 and Ulster '98, they were consistnetly a high performing league side as well, hence 3 for them - hard to think of 2 better corner backs.
Curran was a Rolls Royce of a player, and for me deserves to be mentioned alongside O'Se, McCaffrey etc as great half backs.
Midfield picks itself.
Forwards for me also picked themselves. Giles was excellent, but not in the same class as Geraghty. Toss of a coin between Fallon/Donnellan, but for me Fallon was the consistently high performer in the 90's.
From a Down point of view Neil Collins is a great shout. Disgrace he never got an all star. The one other Down man pushing for a place that no one ever mentions is Barry Breen. He was class and if you talk to any of the Down forwards of the era they'll all name him as the player who made them tick. Saying that there was some serious footballers at centre half back in the nineties - real leaders too.

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: August 15, 2018, 08:36:55 AM »
SFC
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
CPN
Burren

Clonduff
Downpatrick
Bryansford
Loughinisland

Round 2
IFC
Annaclone
St Johns
Tullylish
Darragh Cross

Drumgath
Saul
Bredagh
Liatriom

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Down / Re: Down GAA Champion 2018 Prediction Competition.
« on: July 27, 2018, 12:42:39 PM »
SFC
Round 1
Clonduff
Mayobridge
Ballyholland
Kilcoo
Castlewellan
Downpatrick
CPN
Burren

IFC
Round 1
Annaclone
Tullylish
Shamrocks
Drumaness
Bredagh
Ballymartin
St Johns
Liatriom

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulsters perspective on coaching
« on: June 13, 2018, 05:25:03 PM »
Such a load of shite.

Most teams are playing the same way (or are trying to), or have the basis of their play in that defensive set up - the difference is the bigger counties have mastered the defensive part and are able to break at speed which makes it a different game to watch. Other counties have more laboured forward play, but it too will develop. Compare donegal 2011 with 2012 - the foundations were laid in 2011, and built on in 2012.

In the monaghan v fermanagh game, contrary to the popular narrative, there were occasions in the game where every player, except the fermanagh goalie, were in the monaghan half of the pitch. Doesn't fit the lazy narrative tho, does it?

Agree with you 100% here

Agree too. There are slight different shades of what teams are doing but basically it is the same principle. The difference in Donegal and Fermanagh is that Donegal have the players to break with speed and power and the forwards to drive in early ball to if they can. Fermanagh dont have the same options so their counters are much slower and patient and risk adverse.

I had to laugh at the shite brolly and co were writing about the great change in Cavan from defensive football to attack. Total nonsense of the highest order.

100% right. Even the Dubs - they're just better at it. If you have the players to break quickly and 1 or 2 very good players up front it looks completely different. I saw on Twitter Brolly talking about Murphy, McBrearty and Brennan up front - Murphy is closer to centre half back than full forward.

They have a point in that if Kerry, Galway or Mayo try to be defensive they'll never beat the Dubs but if any other team goes attacking the Dubs they'll be ripped apart.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: June 11, 2018, 09:05:29 AM »
I see we have Cavan now. Hard to see how the team can get back up for that one.
There wasn't a huge amount of options the last when Burns came in but there's going to be less this time. Who'd want to come in now? That's assuming Burns has the sense to walk away.
Thought Harrison, Maginn and Darren O'Hagan were the only players to come out with any real credit yesterday. Other lads will be ok - just yesterday didn't work out for them.
I can't believe we have have had 3 different keepers in the last 3 seasons and no one has come up with a decent kick out strategy. You can blame Reid but the players around the middle aren't working hard enough to make space for him to kick into. With all the talk of possession from kick outs in todays football that's a mess. You have to have a plan B and even with an extra man Down couldn't make it work.

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