Many many many years ago I remember being taught the drop kick by an uncle. Have these disappeared completely?
Can anyone remember seeing a drop kick in recent times, or have a video link?
Are they still legal?
Ahhh I well remember when the ball used to be kicked.....
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 15, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
Are they still legal?
Nothing against them. . . was OK to use when you're just trying to kick the ball as far as possible but it's not accurate.
Tohill used to fire in an odd dropkick back in the day it used to go a clean mile!
There was a Down player that used to be super at them....was a joy to watch
Edit - Shorty Trainer
Conor Deegan liked a drop kick too
Gary Mason was the master at the drop kick. Distance and accurate.
Yes, when I think drop kicks, Down come into my head.
Did tohill not score a goal of a drop kick against down in 94 in celtic park. Not sure if it hit the cross bar or not but it was a screamer t,he auld memory wouldn't be great going that far back.😄
Quote from: screenexile on April 15, 2020, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 15, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
Are they still legal?
Nothing against them. . . was OK to use when you're just trying to kick the ball as far as possible but it's not accurate.
Tohill used to fire in an odd dropkick back in the day it used to go a clean mile!
Not accurate, you obviously never witnessed Armagh's Jim Tidsy McKerr drop kicking a ball!
Quote from: shantygael on April 15, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Did tohill not score a goal of a drop kick against down in 94 in celtic park. Not sure if it hit the cross bar or not but it was a screamer t,he auld memory wouldn't be great going that far back.😄
Yeah lad he burst through the middle and should have scored a goal.
Hi how did you see, there was some crowd there and yet wile small hi!
Used to be an oul GAA coaching book released in late 80s or early 90s by the officialdom if I remember.
But two pages showed you the drop kick and different drills to use it and another two pages showed you how to kick the ball over your head with accompanying drills. Some Craic lol
Quote from: shantygael on April 15, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Did tohill not score a goal of a drop kick against down in 94 in celtic park. Not sure if it hit the cross bar or not but it was a screamer t,he auld memory wouldn't be great going that far back.😄
Think Collins saved it
Was this not something all the auld boys swore at you if you tried so you never tried it again?
I mind as a kid watching our seniors and we'd a boy in corner forward who kept trying drop kicks and they would never ever come off lol.
A drop kick is a better ball to catch - better trajectory for high catching.
Quote from: marty34 on April 15, 2020, 07:10:40 PM
A drop kick is a better ball to catch - better trajectory for high catching.
Correct...Kerry's Donie O'Sullivan had an excellent drop kick...often to Mick O'Connell to show quality fielding. Not that any of you youngsters know those 2 players...
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: shantygael on April 15, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Did tohill not score a goal of a drop kick against down in 94 in celtic park. Not sure if it hit the cross bar or not but it was a screamer t,he auld memory wouldn't be great going that far back.😄
Yeah lad he burst through the middle and should have scored a goal.
Hi how did you see, there was some crowd there and yet wile small hi!
I was standing on the shoulders of giants.not so much in the in giant territory yourself😁. Scorcher of a day,some match too and as you said ,some crowd.
I scored a rake of drop kick goals, albeit at shite levels.
1 on 1 side foot drop kick into a corner is totally unsaveable....took years of shots intended to be blasted into a corner, but not going far enough from the keeper and being saved before i caught on to it. Catch the ball on the sidefoot the millisecond it hops up off the deck, easy to control and direct
Always thought if you were chilling in the middle of the field in training and had to kick it past someone 10 yards from you as a drill youd do it 100 times and get it past him 99 on the sidefoot dropkick...whereas if you blasted it youd get 60 past him, 20 would squew away off and 20 would hit the keeper.
Easiest bit of the game for me was drop kickin 1 on 1 into the corner of the net, much more control than a normal volleyed shot out of hand....half volleys always easier. Hardest part was getting my slow self in 1 on 1 and away from some hallion😁
The front of the foot (which you are no doubt on about) drop kicked goal is a cracker. On a mizzly wet day the ball travels 100 mph and is nearly unsaveable....more room for error on that one but if can catch clean and low into a corner its goaltime. Used it more sparingly as can squew off but effective if in a crowd, unblockable if catch it right
The trajectory of a drop kicked ball into the forward line was as perfect as it was rare
Boys drop kicking frees etc up the park is a rarity...people try and kick it too hard and slice it
Quote from: shantygael on April 15, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 15, 2020, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: shantygael on April 15, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
Did tohill not score a goal of a drop kick against down in 94 in celtic park. Not sure if it hit the cross bar or not but it was a screamer t,he auld memory wouldn't be great going that far back.😄
Yeah lad he burst through the middle and should have scored a goal.
Hi how did you see, there was some crowd there and yet wile small hi!
I was standing on the shoulders of giants.not so much in the in giant territory yourself😁. Scorcher of a day,some match too and as you said ,some crowd.
We forced the terracing opposite the Lone Moor open lol.
Some day it was.
You must have been about 45 back then lad
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 15, 2020, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 15, 2020, 07:10:40 PM
A drop kick is a better ball to catch - better trajectory for high catching.
Correct...Kerry's Donie O'Sullivan had an excellent drop kick...often to Mick O'Connell to show quality fielding. Not that any of you youngsters know those 2 players...
True - it'd be an ideal ball for the mark nowadays. I'd expect this new fad of 'forwards' coaches' to be coaching this instead of the 'offensive transition' waffle these lads go on about.
You may say, sure it'll be easier for a defender too but it's a far easier ball to catch for both than a high ballooning ball in from 60 yards - harder for a forward to catch and therefore easier for a defender to break ball.
Drop kicks would be harder to block.
I assume you can foot block a drop kick under the rules without penalty. That would discourage me from trying it for shooting
https://youtu.be/jsWg0bt9kp4
Derek Duggan scored a lovely dropkick goal for the Rossies in the 1991 AISF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1wY1Stqows
The pass from Tony.....
The late great Dermot Early was the best I have seen at the dropkick, used it in every match he played, was very accurate with it.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 16, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
Derek Duggan scored a lovely dropkick goal for the Rossies in the 1991 AISF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1wY1Stqows
Brilliant!
From a keepers point of view the fellas that usually use it now, usually a full back who's never found himself in the situation in real life, to shoot don't get over it and usually drive it too high and either miss or make it easy to deal with, maybe 1 in 20 flies in as nice as you like.
When I started with the senior squad around 96 or so there was a few older fellas who started in the 80s that used it well. One fella would of spread passes with it, sort of like Shorty would have, but one guy who would have played corner forward would use it to shoot for goal and by god could he hit them. If you got it hurt and most of the time you didn't have a hope.
Cian Mackey scored one v Armagh in Championship. 1 minute 30 into this clip.
https://youtu.be/qbspYYI-pO8
I remember a great drop kick pass from Jimmy Burke in to Seán Lowry who scored a cracking goal. Think it was 1985 Connacht Final. Maybe some of the Mayo lads can fish it out.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on April 20, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
I remember a great drop kick pass from Jimmy Burke in to Seán Lowry who scored a cracking goal. Think it was 1985 Connacht Final. Maybe some of the Mayo lads can fish it out.
I was just looking for that very clip. The Lochra Gael episode on the Lowrys shows Sean Lowry catching it and scoring but not the pass itself
A skillful player could weight a beautiful pass using a drop kick, and that's exactly what Jimmy Burke did.......he could get height and distance yet slow the ball at the same time to make it easier for the recipient to catch it
QuoteA skillful player could weight a beautiful pass using a drop kick, and that's exactly what Jimmy Burke did.......he could get height and distance yet slow the ball at the same time to make it easier for the recipient to catch it
Indeed a nicely flighted dropped kick pass would land like a butterfly in your hands. Burke's pass that day was about 40 yards and found Lowry perfectly. Most of the Mayo lads around me considered it a fluke though🤪
Quote from: Tatler Jack on April 20, 2020, 03:01:52 PM
QuoteA skillful player could weight a beautiful pass using a drop kick, and that's exactly what Jimmy Burke did.......he could get height and distance yet slow the ball at the same time to make it easier for the recipient to catch it
Indeed a nicely flighted dropped kick pass would land like a butterfly in your hands. Burke's pass that day was about 40 yards and found Lowry perfectly. Most of the Mayo lads around me considered it a fluke though🤪
Don't know about that-maybe 9/10 times it wouldn't have landed like it did but he absolutely was aiming for him
If I recall correctly Burke was kicking against the wind, so possibly the wind held up the ball as much as the back spin he put on it
Always felt that the soccer players that played GAA used the drop kick mainly
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
Always felt that the soccer players that played GAA used the drop kick mainly
Yes, very true. I suppose the half volley is natural to soccer.
Damn association footballers.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 20, 2020, 09:51:42 PM
Damn association footballers.
Sure it's where our game originally came from! ;)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 16, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
Derek Duggan scored a lovely dropkick goal for the Rossies in the 1991 AISF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1wY1Stqows
A hard shot to read for a keeper.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 21, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 16, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
Derek Duggan scored a lovely dropkick goal for the Rossies in the 1991 AISF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1wY1Stqows
A hard shot to read for a keeper.
Drop kick players back in the day were dreadful to play against, you never knew how to go in and block their kick
Bit like playing a technically shit hurling team but they are fit as f**k and you don't know how to approach them in a tackle and how they approach you!
Quote from: Tatler Jack on April 20, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
I remember a great drop kick pass from Jimmy Burke in to Seán Lowry who scored a cracking goal. Think it was 1985 Connacht Final. Maybe some of the Mayo lads can fish it out.
I think Padraig brogan score a freat foal the dame year and the two if them wer down to the last 3 for goal of the year. I think brogan Won
Did mackey sort of drop lick a goal against armagh in breffni in Championship a few years back
Quote from: BennyCake on April 15, 2020, 03:52:43 PM
Yes, when I think drop kicks, Down come into my head.
Paul Higgins was another who used one in the 1994 game against Derry at Celtic Park, taking a sideline. Shown on TG4 this afternoon.
big anthany had a rite effort well saved in that game screened theday
Tohill at the start to day, bad miss for goal with a drop kick
Any idea why they always go so far when you catch them right?
I can think of two things...
1. You get alot of top spin on the ball and it carries further.
Or
2. There is no external forces acting on the ball when it's at the apex of the bounce that would otherwise counter the force from the kick such as the fall from your hands
Personally I think it's no. 2 as I think drop kick would be more inclined to backspin and before they hit the ground the effect of spin would be small anyway Also u don't feel it as hard on your foot from a drop kick as you would with a normal kick...
I put it down to the trajectory, as the ball is being hit further below the centre line it goes at an angle closer to 45 degrees than a punt kick which is 15-30 degrees. A second minor difference is that the drop kick adds to the balls upward momentum rather than countering the balls downward momentum for a punt kick.
Quote from: redzone on April 26, 2020, 07:54:53 PM
Tohill at the start to day, bad miss for goal with a drop kick
Or decent stop by the keeper??
Good save for sure but terrible shot selection. Cost them the game
Quote from: redzone on April 26, 2020, 10:06:42 PM
Good save for sure but terrible shot selection. Cost them the game
I'd said earlier it was an option if you felt you were getting blocked, or soccer players used it a lot, I know Tohill had a trial with Utd, watched his game for Utd. I think the shot selection was the right one at that point as there were players homing in on him, but it was an outstanding save.
The big quest was how did Ross Carr stay on the pitch with that tackle? Horrendous
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2020, 10:43:30 PM
Quote from: redzone on April 26, 2020, 10:06:42 PM
Good save for sure but terrible shot selection. Cost them the game
I'd said earlier it was an option if you felt you were getting blocked, or soccer players used it a lot, I know Tohill had a trial with Utd, watched his game for Utd. I think the shot selection was the right one at that point as there were players homing in on him, but it was an outstanding save.
The big quest was how did Ross Carr stay on the pitch with that tackle? Horrendous
You had to strike back then to get sent off. Down I think had overall better players and the game was everything I remembered about it. Scullion had a nightmare game
This years games should be kicking off next Sunday if things were right. With cavan monaghan in 2 weeks time. What an ulster opener that would have been
Quote from: redzone on April 26, 2020, 10:06:42 PM
Good save for sure but terrible shot selection. Cost them the game
I think you have to credit the keeper there. Usually don't save well hit drop kicks from that range unless it literally hits you. Unreal reflexes for that save.
Quote from: LeoMc on April 26, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
I put it down to the trajectory, as the ball is being hit further below the centre line it goes at an angle closer to 45 degrees than a punt kick which is 15-30 degrees. A second minor difference is that the drop kick adds to the balls upward momentum rather than countering the balls downward momentum for a punt kick.
Dont think this in particular is always necessarily true..... but you could be on to something with it in that if you were going to hit the ball with a lower trajectory (ie with an angle closer to the ground/horizontal) with a punt you prob would be striking it further away from your body and therefore with a lower tangential angle to your swinging leg thereby getting less force onto the ball as you would if it was closer to your body.
https://youtu.be/2t6Bf7bpXlY
1:09 beautiful drop kicked pass.....you can see how the spin held it up in the air