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#1
General discussion / Re: The Fine Gael thread
March 27, 2024, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on March 27, 2024, 12:16:54 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 27, 2024, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 27, 2024, 12:03:31 PMFormer AG
Former Minister for Justice
Former Tánaiste
Long time TD, current senator

Most importantly, massive gobshite. I've always thought of him as the southern, Fenian Jim Allister. Sees the 'ra everywhere he looks.

Ahh, voters rejected him then a 'job for the boys' case.

Never liked him. But he was one of the leading voices - if not the mastermind - of the No campaign on the changes to the referendum. There's a significant base that would be aligned with his views on many issues.

Yes, I worked with a couple of people who said "If McDowell is against it, that's enough reason to vote Yes".
Thankfully most people listened to what he was actually saying and realised he made a lot of good points.
#2
General discussion / Re: The Fine Gael thread
March 24, 2024, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2024, 12:11:21 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 24, 2024, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 24, 2024, 08:16:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2024, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 12:07:27 PMAnother rat abandons ship. I'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the Ditch making enquiries into her dodgy mileage expenses.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0322/1439426-josepha-madigan/



She's no loss to national politics, but I wouldn't be using The Ditch as a reference for anything - Paddy Cosgrave is unhinged...

Didn't realise Paddy Cosgrave was a reporter for the ditch.

Funds it.

So nobody should refer to any of the multiple cases of political corruption The Ditch has uncovered purely because you don't like who provides their funding? Free pass for the politicians involved?

I would want it verified by another source before I'd give it any credence

Can you outline a couple of examples of reports by the Ditch that you've found to be untrustworthy or false?

Well I don't read it, so I can't comment on most of their output.
But it's founded by Paddy Cosgrave and Chay Bowes, who now works for Russia Today. So I would have serious questions over their motives, aims and impartiality.
#3
General discussion / Re: The Fine Gael thread
March 24, 2024, 10:42:23 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on March 24, 2024, 08:16:01 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2024, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 12:07:27 PMAnother rat abandons ship. I'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the Ditch making enquiries into her dodgy mileage expenses.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0322/1439426-josepha-madigan/



She's no loss to national politics, but I wouldn't be using The Ditch as a reference for anything - Paddy Cosgrave is unhinged...

Didn't realise Paddy Cosgrave was a reporter for the ditch.

Funds it.

So nobody should refer to any of the multiple cases of political corruption The Ditch has uncovered purely because you don't like who provides their funding? Free pass for the politicians involved?

I would want it verified by another source before I'd give it any credence
#4
General discussion / Re: The Fine Gael thread
March 23, 2024, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 23, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 12:07:27 PMAnother rat abandons ship. I'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the Ditch making enquiries into her dodgy mileage expenses.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0322/1439426-josepha-madigan/



She's no loss to national politics, but I wouldn't be using The Ditch as a reference for anything - Paddy Cosgrave is unhinged...

Didn't realise Paddy Cosgrave was a reporter for the ditch.

Funds it.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: Division 2 2024
March 23, 2024, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: dec on March 23, 2024, 07:23:30 PMCork flavoured commentary

https://www.c103.ie/north-cork/player/

Is there local radio in the 6 counties? Would they not cover the games?
#6
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 23, 2024, 05:40:39 PMFerguson looks and is playing like a broken man at the moment. He needs to get his confidence back. I don't think we will see him scoring tonight. The peno was poor.

had a good flick on for that latest chance. Really should be at least 1 up at HT
#7
General discussion / Re: The Fine Gael thread
March 23, 2024, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2024, 12:07:27 PMAnother rat abandons ship. I'm sure it has nothing to do at all with the Ditch making enquiries into her dodgy mileage expenses.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0322/1439426-josepha-madigan/



She's no loss to national politics, but I wouldn't be using The Ditch as a reference for anything - Paddy Cosgrave is unhinged...
#8
General discussion / Re: Death Notices
March 18, 2024, 10:36:01 PM
IRA man, Garda killer, and wife beater Pearse McAuley.
#9
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2024, 11:49:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 09, 2024, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2024, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 09, 2024, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2024, 03:50:46 PMYou'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.
The wordings were very weak. They ignored the Citizens Assembly . There was no pre legislative scrutiny in the Dail. The Government will now have to look seriously into disability respite and funding. It was a good day for democracy.

The family one was clear: "The State recognises the Family, whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships" instead of "The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded."

That is some kick in the teeth to an unmarried mother who has worked hard all her life to raise her children. Even if wording was weak, it was still better than what we kept.

Define "durable relationships"

Define "Family"?

For most, any mother and child in a lasting relationship is a family. But in context of Irish constitution, it's a married mother and child. You know we once sent the unmarried mothers to homes, sold their babies, to keep up this fiction.

And so this attacking the "durable relationships" to mean Mohammed bringing in his 10 wives to Ireland when in real world over 40% of Irish children are born out of wedlock was shitty. And Irish people pleading ignorance - sure that could he Mohammed and his ten wives or the live in girlfriend claiming the farm.

Meaning is context dependent. In context of Irish constitution, it was clear what durable relationships meant.

It was NOT clear what durable relationship meant - that was the main problem!
It was vague, and was to be determined by the courts.
People were asked to vote in a change to the constitution when they couldn't know the impacts of that change.
They rightly rejected it.
#10
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2024, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 09, 2024, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: weareros on March 09, 2024, 03:50:46 PMYou'd have thought removing these two backward Eamon DeValera clause in the Irish constitution (family is founded on marriage, a woman's duty is in the home) would have been an easy win for the Irish government. Had the vote been held between 1993-2008, it would have easily passed. The mood has now shifted and it's not unlike Brexit or Trump's America where the people want a fantasy country back from the forces of liberal elite, media, WEF, EU, immigrants, whatever you're having yourself. Watch Brexiters in UK, Unionists, right wingers, Catholic Church cheer this result.
The wordings were very weak. They ignored the Citizens Assembly . There was no pre legislative scrutiny in the Dail. The Government will now have to look seriously into disability respite and funding. It was a good day for democracy.

The family one was clear: "The State recognises the Family, whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships" instead of "The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded."

That is some kick in the teeth to an unmarried mother who has worked hard all her life to raise her children. Even if wording was weak, it was still better than what we kept.

Define "durable relationships"
#11
Quote from: Rebel84 on March 09, 2024, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 09, 2024, 12:33:26 PMRegina Doherty more concerned with who leaked the AG advice, rather than the outcome of the referendum.
Why did they try to hide the advice of the top legal mind in the country, which would have helped people make an informed decision?

Because just maybe the South is one of the most corrupt states on the planet?

You mean one of the least corrupt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
#12
Quote from: Itchy on February 22, 2024, 12:14:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 22, 2024, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 22, 2024, 09:52:01 AMThere is very little about these referendums but I find all I need to do is look at the people who are against it to know that I am for it.

That's just like voting green or orange in the North just to stick it to the other side.

No it's not like that at all. Michael McDowell for example is someone I've never agreed with a single thing he's said. Same for gript media. If they say No, I'm 99% it should be yes.

Did you actually read or listen to McDowell's arguments?
I rarely agree with him either, but he made a very strong case.
I didn't even bother voting (for the first time since I could vote I think), but I would have voted No, No.
#13
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2024, 09:08:50 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 02, 2024, 05:49:29 PMGaza could lose Biden the election. It is already damaging Starmer.
The funny thing is the other side would be as bad or worse in both cases. If either had a set of balls or a shred of decency between them they'd take a proper stand.

It's quite depressing that the "world leaders" don't seem to have any moral courage.
I thought the world had advanced, but people are still willing to turn a blind eye to inconvenient atrocities.
#14
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 02, 2024, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 02, 2024, 07:46:01 PMMickey continuing his excellent record against Dublin,Kerry and Mayo

What's his record against Mayo? Not that great from my memory.
#15
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 02, 2024, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 06:10:40 PMThat shot was going wide from McGuigan

Should have went on in

Yep, had open road in front of him. O'Hanlon would have got back in goal but still should have ended up with a one on one with the goalie rather than the pot luck shot he took on.