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Its dire straits at the minute back there with teams looking like they can score 2,3,4 goals per game.
Personally i think one of the Kilcullens or Nallen. O'Malley is too small and moving him to corner back would release Higgins to the half backs and move gardiner to the subs.
Dont think DB has the discipline to play there, just wouldn't get away with some of the tackles he had on Donaghy last year.
Its very worrying all-in-all   :-\

James Kilcullen is the best bet, if he cannot win it clean he will take his mans hand off when breaking the ball.Heaney and nallen are good players but too nice, nearly apologising to the ff, i seen kilcullen and liked aggression to opponents and his courage in the tackle which is required to be a good fullback.He is no moynihan but is our best option at the moment.
I agree to some extent on brady, he would be my first choice were it going wrong for any of our better fullbacks but it would need to be an emergency.

Would have liked to see P Navin given more of a shot maybe.

Definitely need more agression at the back, for me Gardiner has to go - inability to defend and for all his good running, he's not agressive enough.

Kilcullen could make a fist of marking Muldoon but would be destroyed by Bradley. Has to be horses for courses. And don't think that O'Malley has suddenly become a bad player - if he is given the task to man mark he can be as good as anyone - think of the group stages league match v Donegal - Kilcullen was getting destroyed by Devenney, O'Malley took over and didn't give Devenney another touch. On the other hand Kilcullen made a very good fist of marking Cousins of Cork in the league game ...... horses for courses.

I think it a complete misreading of the situation to blame it all on the full back. the whole back six look poorly organised and midfield are not putting sufficent pressure on plyers coming through the half way line leaving them able to pick out the FF line at will. so without a better organised back 8 it doesnt matter who you put in ther they will look exposed.
in any case there is a huge over reaction here cavan score 3 goals one a very dodgy penalty and another meaningless consolation goal.
what we need is stability back lets playrs get used to a formation .there so i recommend no changes for saturday

Rosnarun,
you are not seeing the fact that they still scored 3 goals, dodgy penalty and consolation goal would still count had we lost to a late goal from cavan.3 goals to a side like cavan is a big problem because kerry and tyrone have forwards that know how to take full advantage of a situation.

As previously mentioned, its horses for courses. We dont seem to have an all round Full Back...

Under a high ball id have James Kilkullen. But he gets roasted marking a smaller fast FF pulling him out of position.
So David Heaney is the guy to mark the likes of Paraic Joyce and players of the same calibre.
L O Malley is another good man marker but not as good under a high ball.
Then David Brady is the only man to mark Donaughy on the big day.
He may be the cynical type but Francie Bellew always gets away with murder too.

So id say we could be looking at a few different full backs as the season progresses depending on who the opposition is.

I agree with the assesment that all 14 outfield players have a responsibility to defend. But i think we have two problems regarding our defence.. the first is that we have attacking wing backs who gallop up the field with every attack,then when the move breaks down it is usually 5 forwards against anything from 3 to 5 defenders and we get caught out. Last Saturday Cavan did not have the biggest forwards in the world but how many 50-50 balls did they win? Liam O Malley is a great footballer,no doubt but his size is totally against him.We need one agressive player in our full back line that before a ball is even kicked,the opposition forward is already "shitting" the encounter. For me, dispite all his faults David Brady has to be the man. Also a lot of teams would think twice about bombing in high balls on top of us if he was there,becuase be under no illusions that is all we will get on Saturday night next from Derry.They are a bit of a one trick pony in that regard.

Ros in the last 3 championship games we've conceded 9 goals, certainly a cause for concern

David Heaney is one of the very best in the business

QuoteRos in the last 3 championship games we've conceded 9 goals, certainly a cause for concern

Certainly but we have tried as many fullbacks in the meantime and the issue is still the same so its time to broaden the picture and look at what the problem really is and not try and lump all the blame on the full back and keep calling for his head after every game thats just shortsighted and stupid

If D Brady played full back there would not be one high ball played into him, any team worth their salt would just let it in fast and low and he would be eat for pace. You would go from a situation form where a high ball is 50/50 to a point where we would lose nearly all the ball going in. As said earlier its horses for courses. J Killcullen for the big target man and switch with heaney for a mobile Full forward.

But could you please stop going on about D brady for full back, he could have been sent off twice in the all ireland for fouling.

Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 11, 2007, 10:09:50 PM
Ros in the last 3 championship games we've conceded 9 goals, certainly a cause for concern

15 in the last 5 Championship games

Surely all your ills cannot be laid at the full backs door ?

What was the name of the lad that played full back for mayo in the u21 final against Armagh? Thought he looked like a real prospect, good hands and reading of the game.

9 or 10 points against galway was never going to be enough, 1.06 against derry was closer but they had a great finish to the game.On reflection I am happy we are gone, with that kind of offense kerry would have mauled us and really sent us away never to return with embarassment if we met them in a final.
2 goals for galway
3 goals for cavan
2 goals for derry

I think the blame really falls on the fullback line, good lads and all that but not up to it.

Quote from: maddog on July 24, 2007, 04:04:07 PM
What was the name of the lad that played full back for mayo in the u21 final against Armagh? Thought he looked like a real prospect, good hands and reading of the game.

After a little lookin the match programme press in my room.
As per the clar that day

MAYO
1. Fintan Ruddy                          Cill Chomain
2. Dermot Geraghty                    Shrule-Glencorrib
3. PAT NAVIN                            Claremorris
4. Trevor Howley                        Knockmore
5. Michael Carey                          Belmullet
6. Liam O'Malley                          Burrishoole
7. Stephen Drake                        Ballaghaderreen
8. Barry Moran                             Castlebar Mitchells
9. Christ Barrett                           Lahardane
10. Aidan Kilcoyne                        Knockmore
11. Ronan McNamara                    Davitts
12. Andy Moran                           Ballaghaderreen
13. Alan Costello                          Balla
14. Damien Munnelly                     Knockmore
15. Michael Conroy                        Davitts

Subs
16. David Clarke                             Ballina Stephenites
17. Columba Halloran                      Swinford
18. Paul Lydon                              Kiltimagh
19. Paul Doherty                           Kilmaine             
20. John Prenty                            Ballyhaunis
21. Donal MacLean                        Ballycastle
22. Richard Feeny (Ritchie)             Castelbar Mitchells
23. Pat Casey                                The Neale
24. Niall Lydon                               Castlebar Mitchells

What about Ger Cafferkey from Ballina? Would he do the job? Afterall some people were touting him as the next full back after the u21 final last year. A game he didn't play particularly well in himself, but is he not worth a try?

Tell you what lads, when u get ur full back problem sorted u can come up to Tyrone and give us a hand.

There are over 45 clubs playing in Mayo (As far as I know!)
Theoretically there should be at least 45 players battling for their natural position as a full back on the Mayo team

Its crazy that we resorted to L O Malley to do the job when his own club dont even put him FB.

Is there any players out there deemed fit to get a shot at the panel next year?
I thought Naven from Claremorris was the answer when JOM took over.

Personally I would love to see John Feeney (from my own club) get a real chance.

Any other club players in the woodwork that have not been mentioned yet ??

Well said abbeysider, a lot of clubS THERE ALRIGHT AND SOME ONE CLUB BOUND TO HAVE THE MAN NEEDED.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2007, 09:37:47 PM
What about Ger Cafferkey from Ballina? Would he do the job? Afterall some people were touting him as the next full back after the u21 final last year. A game he didn't play particularly well in himself, but is he not worth a try?

You had it sussed in '07 Farr!!.Any more ideas 'going forward'!

Will K Keane be in the mix for FB next year?? Could release Caff to the half back line