Would you be in favour of a second tier?

[BennyCake]

Twas 10 actually, not 9.

[sligoman2]

If you take out the counties that are in div 1 or 2 (Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan ) how many provincials are you left with???

[BennyCake]

Leitrim 1
Sligo 1
Laois 1
Westmeath 1
Clare 1
Offaly 1

[Jinxy]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

[seafoid]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

The decline of pubs and the growth of drinking at home are also Sean Boylan's fault

[BennyCake]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

I think it's related to the increase in ticket prices.

[macdanger2]

The All Ireland series doesn't need a second tier, what needs to happen is that the GAA need to set up a task group to find out what is going wrong in the weaker counties and fix it from the ground up.
I can bet you 9 of 10 counties will have poor youth structures in place which is why they are lagging behind.

Agree 100%. You could try a hundred different competition formats but they won't do a thing for standards. It's like opening and closing the windows in a car in an effort to make it go faster

[Jinxy]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

I think it's related to the increase in ticket prices.

Also, Tyrone's rise as a football superpower.

[omaghjoe]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

I think it's related to the increase in ticket prices.

Also, Tyrone's rise as a football superpower.

Remarkable that we now have such influence in a competition we don't participate in

[Jinxy]

The numbers don't lie.

[twohands!!!]

The attendance at the Leinster final in 2015 and 2016 between Dublin and Westmeath was around the 48,000 mark ; I know the game on Sunday was a semi-final but the attendance was down to 33,370.

Anyone care to guess what the attendance would be like if Dublin play Westmeath next year ?

The average attendance at championship football games has gone from 18,670 in 2001 (the first year of the qualifiers) to 13,146 in 2016.
The total attendance has gone from 1,082,876 in 2001 to 788,746 in 2016. That's a decline of 294,130.
During the same period the population has increased by almost 850,000.

I'd love to know if anyone in the GAA been looking at this decline in detail and seeing what the actual data throws up?

You don't need to be a genius to see there is a definite correlation with Meath's decline as a football superpower.

I think it's related to the increase in ticket prices.

I don't think GAA ticket prices have gone up that much, compared to other sports (rugby, LOI) or other entertainment - cinema and concerts.
This is only my own feeling though.
Anyone have any data?

[seafoid]

Comparing now to 2001 the differences could be down to :

Worse economic situation for punters
Emigration of people in their 20s/30s
Rural depopulation
Football is a less attractive product now

[twohands!!!]

Comparing now to 2001 the differences could be down to :

Worse economic situation for punters
Emigration of people in their 20s/30s
Rural depopulation
Football is a less attractive product now

Yeah that's a straight comparison between 2001 and 2016 but the thing is the attendances have been steadily trending downward year-on-year, all while the population has been booming.

[AZOffaly]

Interesting to see that based on the polling so far a second tier competition is favored  by almost half the respondents.

Are you listening Croke park

Which means it is not favoured by just over half who expressed a preference.

[johnneycool]

The All Ireland series doesn't need a second tier, what needs to happen is that the GAA need to set up a task group to find out what is going wrong in the weaker counties and fix it from the ground up.
I can bet you 9 of 10 counties will have poor youth structures in place which is why they are lagging behind.

Agree 100%. You could try a hundred different competition formats but they won't do a thing for standards. It's like opening and closing the windows in a car in an effort to make it go faster

When in reality some counties have a V8 engine and others have a 1 litre petrol and no matter how that 1 litre is souped up will always come a distant second.