Its about time Someone started a thread on the achievement of Jimmy McGuinness and how he has brought Sam back to Donegal. He has brought them from the whipping Boys til the boys that do the whipping in less than two years..
Well Done Jimmy
It would be better started by someone who can spell.
Why start a thread when he's got his own song?
And there was I thinking that there were 15 actual players on the field as well or are people beginning to think that he won the AIF all on his own. At this stage I think if you poured his ego into the Sam Maguire Cup it would overflow.
An excellent bucko...................striking good looks and a brigadier who you would love to have in the trenches with you
Quote from: T Fearon on September 27, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Why start a thread when he's got his own song?
Would this Jimmy be able to sell watches and chains? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlwXwMNlkWI
Im not degrading the players whatsoever but alot of the players that are in the panel now were also in it in 2008,09,10 and what happened. I personally believe that only for Jimmy Donegal would still be No further forward.
Its a bit weird every picture you see of Sam now has Jim holding onto it, often not a player in sight. I think he should start a cult somewhere if he hasn't already.
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
i'm getting the feeling your positivity on jim isn't something we're going to see that much of in this thread myles and the subsequent moaning will help you alot. get it off your chest. what's he done wrong? what's the worst thing jim has done? make a list of all of his crimes and post it up. you'll feel better.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
You're no fan of his or of Donegal's anyway. Your prerogative I guess. Most people find Jim to be an inspirational, modest, friendly man.
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
i'm getting the feeling your positivity on jim isn't something we're going to see that much of in this thread myles and the subsequent moaning will help you alot. get it off your chest. what's he done wrong? what's the worst thing jim has done? make a list of all of his crimes and post it up. you'll feel better.
That hair and goatee combo was horrific.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2012, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
i'm getting the feeling your positivity on jim isn't something we're going to see that much of in this thread myles and the subsequent moaning will help you alot. get it off your chest. what's he done wrong? what's the worst thing jim has done? make a list of all of his crimes and post it up. you'll feel better.
That hair and goatee combo was horrific.
was (or is even) jim a fan of heavy metal? i'm guessing he likes a bit of slayer.
anyway, jim rawks \m/
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2012, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2012, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
You think people "hate" jim? Doubt it myself, but sure keep throwing out the labels when anyone dares question the saviour.
i'm getting the feeling your positivity on jim isn't something we're going to see that much of in this thread myles and the subsequent moaning will help you alot. get it off your chest. what's he done wrong? what's the worst thing jim has done? make a list of all of his crimes and post it up. you'll feel better.
That hair and goatee combo was horrific.
was (or is even) jim a fan of heavy metal? i'm guessing he likes a bit of slayer.
anyway, jim rawks \m/
One things for sure the ladies love him.................................... I reckon he could go 1/4 pounder on the pick on most ladies in the country if he wasnt married
Quote from: cadence on September 27, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
i've an idea. let's set up a cult made up of people who are very obviously anti-jim and let's call it the haters gonna hate club. then they can all get together and moan about jim to their hearts content. if not an uplifting experience, it might just well be a cathartic one for those involved. which would ironically leave these people indebted to jim in some way, although they could never admit this, which would also be brilliant for them too. the possibilities are endless.
This post brings me back to 2003 when Mickey Harte could do no wrong either. Aah the memories.
Is Jimmy on his way to Liverpool to help out Brendan Rodgers' struggling scousers?
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-in-shock-move-for-irish-manager
Quote from: red hander on October 05, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
Is Jimmy on his way to Liverpool to help out Brendan Rodgers' struggling scousers?
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-in-shock-move-for-irish-manager
please let this be a joke.
The Donegal county board have dismissed speculation that All-Ireland winning football manager Jim McGuinness is set to join the backroom staff of Premier League club Liverpool.
McGuinness has been linked to a permanent role at Anfield as a sports psychologist but Donegal chairman PJ McGowan insists there is nothing in those reports.
He might go back to his oul drinking ways if he goes to Liverpool............
The Donegal boss holds an MSc in sport psychology from John Moore's University in Liverpool and is understood to have links with Antrim native manager Brendan Rodgers.
However, McGowan told the Irish Times: "Jim was appointed for four years and he has only done two," said McGowan. "He wanted four years himself and that's what we agreed to.
"This is total news to me. We have already talked to Jim about plans for what he intends to do over the winter months and next year.
"What Jim does in his own time is his business but this would be a total shock," McGowan added.
jim has not denied the rumours which means some offer must have beeb made or maybe its mischief making by the media?
Maybe it is Tyrone mind games.
Quote from: cadence on October 05, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 05, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
Is Jimmy on his way to Liverpool to help out Brendan Rodgers' struggling scousers?
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-in-shock-move-for-irish-manager
please let this be a joke.
You'll never walk alone to be replaced by Jimmy's winning matches?
well if there's any truth in it that he is been courted, i hope he stays with us. he'll never be as loved than with us. great opportunity for him it has to be said.
i suppose it might all depend on the type of role liverpool want him to take, or he is prepared to give to liverpool either. could he manage both positions? donegal job takes up a lot of his time already.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 05, 2012, 08:25:13 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 05, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Quote from: red hander on October 05, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
Is Jimmy on his way to Liverpool to help out Brendan Rodgers' struggling scousers?
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-in-shock-move-for-irish-manager
please let this be a joke.
You'll never walk alone to be replaced by Jimmy's winning matches?
i hope not. what a bummer this is. jesus.
If this is something he's seriously contemplating then the Donegal county board has come up with a coaching/ 'director of football' role where he can still benefit the county as well as continue as manager. Even outside of this it'd appear the smart thing to do, he clearly has the aptitude and the skills needed to master-plan the systems in a county. There never seems to be proper levels of retention of coaching talent in the full-time roles in counties.
Obviously it would be a complete and unmitigated disaster were he to leave.
Why would Jimmy go to an inferior set up??
Best of luck to Jim if he decides to make a living helping some team. I think Donegal have enough talent to win another couple of sams
He would probaly move into some coaching role in the future with Liverpool if anything does happens. Its a sports pyschology role being offered. He has experience in coaching before with Finn Harps and Derry City. Best of luck to him.
What a load of oul media driven tripe.
Similar nonsense did the rounds about Mickey Harte a few years back.
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Why would Jimmy go to an inferior set up??
True enough. He should aim to move up, the likes of Barcelona or Crossmaglen Rangers.
Altogether now,in a scouse accent!
Jimmy's winning matches
Jimmy's winning games
Jimmy's bringing the Champions League back to Anfield Road again!
Jimmys shite smells like roses apparently.
what a load of dung about nothing
Maybe nothing in it but Jimmy is an amateur manager of an amateur team. IF he is being offered a paid role it is something he would have to consider.
He was approached by Celtic according to the Times yesterday.
On hogan stand website that Liverpool were interested in employing him as a sports psychologist.
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Has been quoted today as saying that he would have to consider his options if he received a professional offer. Could it be that Jimmy will not be winning any more matches with Donegal?
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
The one thing that stood out was the age profile of that 1992 Donegal team Brian Murray,Martin Gavigan,James McHugh all 28,Matt Gallagher,Donal Reid,Martin Shovlin ,Anthony Molloy ,Martin McHugh,Joyce McMullan All 30 & Charlie Mulgrew 31 those players had to ship a lot of disappointments before reaching the promised land.
They had they chance to win it again in 1993 but after that they were gone the current Donegal side is alot younger if they keep McGuinness i expect them to be around for at least another 5 years & of course their downfall could happen if Jimmy decides to walk away.
I'm not sure whether Liverpool would be in for McGuinness to be honest - they would have their pick of sports psychologists and there's a lot of them out there.
The job he has done with Donegal is probably as good a job psychologically as could be done anywhere.
He got a team of boys who, allegedly, wouldn't commit and got them into having complete faith in him and their whole team. It wasn't like these boys were even close to winning an ai before him - they were miles away.
I would say he'd do a great job at a professional setup.
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
sorry ftb, just jesting. bit too soon for that i'm guessing.
Quote from: ross4life on October 08, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
The one thing that stood out was the age profile of that 1992 Donegal team Brian Murray,Martin Gavigan,James McHugh all 28,Matt Gallagher,Donal Reid,Martin Shovlin ,Anthony Molloy ,Martin McHugh,Joyce McMullan All 30 & Charlie Mulgrew 31 those players had to ship a lot of disappointments before reaching the promised land.
They had they chance to win it again in 1993 but after that they were gone the current Donegal side is alot younger if they keep McGuinness i expect them to be around for at least another 5 years & of course their downfall could happen if Jimmy decides to walk away.
i remember seeing martin mchugh against galway in croker in '83. took quite a few of that donegal squad a good number of years to finally climb the mountain. you could say the same about some of the members of the current squad. i suppose what's different now is that the u21 side have rejuvenated the lads that were there before and the culture, mindset and style of donegal football at county level has changed.
it would be all different without mcguinness. we'd be screwed.
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 08, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
The one thing that stood out was the age profile of that 1992 Donegal team Brian Murray,Martin Gavigan,James McHugh all 28,Matt Gallagher,Donal Reid,Martin Shovlin ,Anthony Molloy ,Martin McHugh,Joyce McMullan All 30 & Charlie Mulgrew 31 those players had to ship a lot of disappointments before reaching the promised land.
They had they chance to win it again in 1993 but after that they were gone the current Donegal side is alot younger if they keep McGuinness i expect them to be around for at least another 5 years & of course their downfall could happen if Jimmy decides to walk away.
i remember seeing martin mchugh against galway in croker in '83. took quite a few of that donegal squad a good number of years to finally climb the mountain. you could say the same about some of the members of the current squad. i suppose what's different now is that the u21 side have rejuvenated the lads that were there before and the culture, mindset and style of donegal football at county level has changed.
it would be all different without mcguinness. we'd be screwed.
How many of that 2010 All Ireland losing under 21 team are now part of this Donegal set-up?
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: ross4life on October 08, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 08, 2012, 08:56:22 PM
Quote from: cadence on October 08, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
how much do sports psychologists, even the most sought after, earn? if he's doing alright for himself where he is, he'll hardly leave the place and people he loves, and his dream job too, for a similar salary somewhere else without the perks. plenty time to go elsewhere when he's won us a few more sams and he's helped to bring about the changes in the set up and culture of donegal football, mentored and earmarked a few likely predecessors.
personally, i'd like him to be given as long as he wants to stay and can commit to it. he seems to have a good connection with the players and that's about enough spending time together. he really seems to get a kick out of it and loves what he's doing so he'll be upsetting the naysayers for a while yet. i'm reassured. we had reached the promised land and it seemed like we'd have to roam in the desert for 40 years, or worse still, as long as mayo.
Remember that before you start counting Sams. That when it took a short time to get where you are, it can take just as short to get back to where you were! I'd say there was alot expected of the '92 team and see what happened there. Don't go counting chickens!
The one thing that stood out was the age profile of that 1992 Donegal team Brian Murray,Martin Gavigan,James McHugh all 28,Matt Gallagher,Donal Reid,Martin Shovlin ,Anthony Molloy ,Martin McHugh,Joyce McMullan All 30 & Charlie Mulgrew 31 those players had to ship a lot of disappointments before reaching the promised land.
They had they chance to win it again in 1993 but after that they were gone the current Donegal side is alot younger if they keep McGuinness i expect them to be around for at least another 5 years & of course their downfall could happen if Jimmy decides to walk away.
i remember seeing martin mchugh against galway in croker in '83. took quite a few of that donegal squad a good number of years to finally climb the mountain. you could say the same about some of the members of the current squad. i suppose what's different now is that the u21 side have rejuvenated the lads that were there before and the culture, mindset and style of donegal football at county level has changed.
it would be all different without mcguinness. we'd be screwed.
How many of that 2010 All Ireland losing under 21 team are now part of this Donegal set-up?
6 from the first 15 that lined out.... mcgrath, walsh, mchugh, murphy, molloy and mcloone.
It would surely by ironic if he went off to Celtic or Liverpool. I mean the guy that expects amateurs to give up their lives to follow him would then feck off for a professional role somewhere else. Anyway, I doubt it will happen sound like a load of bull to me.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 08, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
It would surely by ironic if he went off to Celtic or Liverpool. I mean the guy that expects amateurs to give up their lives to follow him would then feck off for a professional role somewhere else. Anyway, I doubt it will happen sound like a load of bull to me.
Surely you mean give up their lives to have a chance to win, same as players from places like Dublin and Clare have done in the past?
I'd be disappointed if he left, but if the opportunity came up you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in Donegal who'd begrudge him. Most of us would say thanks very much, best of luck and f**k the begrudgers.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 08, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
It would surely by ironic if he went off to Celtic or Liverpool. I mean the guy that expects amateurs to give up their lives to follow him would then feck off for a professional role somewhere else. Anyway, I doubt it will happen sound like a load of bull to me.
It's pretty clear that your emotional feeling on the topic are completely clouding the realities of an offer.
Quote from: J70 on October 09, 2012, 05:39:44 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on October 08, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
It would surely by ironic if he went off to Celtic or Liverpool. I mean the guy that expects amateurs to give up their lives to follow him would then feck off for a professional role somewhere else. Anyway, I doubt it will happen sound like a load of bull to me.
Surely you mean give up their lives to have a chance to win, same as players from places like Dublin and Clare have done in the past?
I'd be disappointed if he left, but if the opportunity came up you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in Donegal who'd begrudge him. Most of us would say thanks very much, best of luck and f**k the begrudgers.
+1
According to packie bonnar on the wireless there jim mcguinness is a cert to head to celtic, no ifs or buts said big packie. The news reporter on the radio said daniel o donnell is on after 9, so no doubt we will definetly hear the truth then!
Only for a part time position?
http://www.donegaldaily.com/?p=62888 (http://www.donegaldaily.com/?p=62888)
Not a load of old media tripe after all, for those who thought it was.... part time but will probaly be full time in the future.
Is Jimmy McGuinness the new Larry Reilly?
Quote from: Hardy on November 08, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Is Jimmy McGuinness the new Larry Reilly?
No, Larry was a one - off.
I dunno. There are no reggae songs about Larry Reilly. And no matter how you look at it, he's not winnin' matches. And he doesn't look like the Messiah, either.
He didn't have the beard and the flowing locks, but not many players score went on mazy solo runs in Clones and scored wonder points, and still manage to look over weight. Larry was that man. ( unless you add Rory Woods)
Jimmy for Celtic?
Quote from: Hardy on November 08, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Is Jimmy McGuinness the new Larry Reilly?
Dunno Hardy I think he might have the makings of the new Seanie Johston
The best point I can remember by Larry was also the most memorable as it was against Meath, the qualifier win in Clones 05. Ran Meath ragged that day, We might get him back for the league meeting next year in Navan.
McGuines would fit in well at Celtic - everybody behind the ball
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 08, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
The best point I can remember by Larry was also the most memorable as it was against Meath, the qualifier win in Clones 05. Ran Meath ragged that day, We might get him back for the league meeting next year in Navan.
Cavan had an unfair advantage that day. Meath didn't know Larry Reilly was the Larry Reilly who would go on to become Larry Reilly.
Agreed Larry reilly was named that day as
A N Other Larry Reilly
An Other was in a "another class" that day. Meath knew he was by the end of the match.
Quote from: Hardy on November 08, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 08, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
The best point I can remember by Larry was also the most memorable as it was against Meath, the qualifier win in Clones 05. Ran Meath ragged that day, We might get him back for the league meeting next year in Navan.
Cavan had an unfair advantage that day. Meath didn't know Larry Reilly was the Larry Reilly who would go on to become Larry Reilly.
;D
Quote from: The Worker on November 08, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Jimmy for Celtic?
For sure.......................its official part time position, tues wed thurs, 150 grand a year
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=180604
I wonder will it have much of an effect on Donegal next year. Obviously the players are used to Rory Gallagher anyway, but it wouldn't feel the same McGuinness missing a few sessions every week and then back for the session on Friday. Best of luck to him. 150K is a nice little earner too.
I take it there will be no more Celtic books or Autobiographies by the players while Jimmy is there.
He'll need someone to be the Kevin Cassidy figure.
I hope it works out for him though because he's good at what he does.
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3333
It's official! Tho the 'consultant' title would lead to believe that its a part time role.
So Jimmy is taking the soup... and people are wishing him luck?
I take it he is to step down as donegal manager?
I'd say it was a very tough decision for him and his wife as they've got 3 young kids and I think they are real homebirds and wouldn't be keen to leave Donegal.
I'd say its been tough on his wife with him always out and about all the time and not spending a lot fo time with the kids so it must have been hard to turn down such an offer.
I'm very pleased for him as I would say he was under pressure for a long time to get a descent well paying job.
You'd nearly wonder had he any impact on Lennon's defensive strategy on Wed night with the swarm defence is full force.
Jimmy's winning matches, jimmy's winning games, jimmy bringing the champions league cup back to celtic park again. Na ya can't beat the original.
Firstly the comment above is ridiculous, of course he has to go for a well paid job. Taking the soup my arse!
Secondly I think it is possible to do both jobs. ..the question will be if he can do the Donegal job as well with such pressures on his time. Remember he was a full time manager for Donegal where he committed avery hour of his day to the job. He got paid indirectly by "sponsors" and running coaching coarses which the county board fronted so Jimmy could get paid. All of that was peanuts compared to the celtic offer.
The fact that Jimmy has not commented on any of this is interesting. For me that could mean he will step down from Donegal
Jesus we were paying for John O' Mahony's soup and feck all good that done us.
If only they offered him the job near the BEGINNING of the season...:P
he'll be able to pay the bills a lot easier now. fair play to him.
Does nobody think it strange that McGuinness hasnt commented on any aspect of this story yet?
Fair play to Jimmy and I hope it works out for him, he deserves a lucrative move based on his remarkable achievements with Donegal. However there is no doubt that his position as Donegal manager will be severely compromised. How can he preach total committment to players when he is fulfilling the Donegal managers role part time? Bottom line is he will be contracted to Celtic and this will severely curtail his role with Donegal. It wouldn't surprise me if Jimmy allows Rory Gallagher to step into his role and for him to become a lesser cog in the wheel. Donegals success was largely based on meticulous preparation, committment and discipline and there is no doubt that they will have lost something from todays announcement.
He should be so committed he shouldn't have a job?
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
Not really true tbh, he will be working with the Academy players at Celtic. That is under the age of 18. They aim to get a full time contract as a professional or move on elsewhere if that doesn't happen.
Quote from: Hardy on November 09, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
He should be so committed he shouldn't have a job?
Who said anything about the fact that he shouldn't have a job. All I'm saying is that if he spends Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in Glasgow he will at worst miss one training session but in reality its a lot worse than that. Jim was effectively doing the Donegal job full time last season. Now he won't have that luxury and Donegal will be the poorer for it.
Good luck to McGuinness. He's been given a great opportunity by Celtic so fair play. With the best will in the world though this could be hard to combine with the Donegal job. Anyone who's ever taken a reduced hours/part-time option with their work can find that the work is hard to ring fence to 3 days a week, particularly if you're into your job.
I find it hilarious that some of the same people who refuse to countenance managerial payments are criticising McGuinness for joining Celtic. You can't have it both ways lads.
Quote from: hardstation on November 09, 2012, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: stibhan on November 09, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
I find it hilarious that some of the same people who refuse to countenance managerial payments are criticising McGuinness for joining Celtic. You can't have it both ways lads.
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Not necessarily on this board. I just think some people are in the dark ages regarding the amount of commitment managers and players give to the GAA, and how much it affects their livelihoods. I'm no fan of pay for play but begrudging a man the biggest opportunity of his career is something else.
Jim owes Donegal absolutely nothing. Great opportunity that anyone would jump at. Good luck to the lad. :)
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Aidan McGeady doesn't come across as uneducated.. They would obviously have a link up with schooling for players, they don't expect players to be thick as planks with no education and then have hopes of them being a Pro players. They mightn't all be getting Top Grades or whatever, but some level of schooling is provided.
I remember Cillian Sheridan got sorted with his education when he went over. He went to a Uni.
is it for sure that he's taking it on part-time and will stay on as donegal manager?
Quote from: EC Unique on November 09, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Jim owes Donegal absolutely nothing. Great opportunity that anyone would jump at. Good luck to the lad. :)
+1
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
There is as much footballing ability in the Donegal team as there was in their predeccesors.
Quote from: cadence on November 09, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
is it for sure that he's taking it on part-time and will stay on as donegal manager?
Yes 3 days in Glasgow the other 4 in Donegal. Brian McEniff said it won't be easy to juggle the two jobs with a young family but if anyone can do it Jimmy can.
Quote from: oakleafgael on November 09, 2012, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
There is as much footballing ability in the Donegal team as there was in their predeccesors.
Personally I disagree but its all about opinions I suppose.
I think its a great story in the real world of earning a living for his family and also continuing to be the main man in the Donegal management team. The Celtic job is a completely 'new' challenge working with young players in a professional game. And this coming year Donegal also presents a 'another new' challenge in that he has to devise a strategy for 'staying' at the top, they are no longer the under dogs. So therefore Jimmy will be entering a 'new' learning curve and he is coming from a background of having studied at a great many Universities (how many different Uni's has he won Sigerson Cups with?)and he will be staying in that mode. Jimmy is different from all other Gaelic Managers and god only knows where this journey will take him over the next few years. And really who are we to judge what he should or shouldn't do. I wish him good luck and he brings a new impetus and excitement to life in general and Celtic FC and Gaelic Football in particular.
God forbid a senior inter-county manager got a job. Don't understand the sceptism at all.
Fair enough this is a unique development in that a professional sporting club has secured the services of a senior inter-county manager but really its no different to Pat Gilroy managing Dalkia in my opinion for example. These are very bright men who I have no doubt can handle having more than one responsibility in life. Players work too, go to college and raise families. A balance can be found.
It's not too often you see a picture of a GAA Player or Manager on the home page of a Champions League teams outfit.
Well done Jim and I wish you every success in your professional career. I hope you win feck all matches with Donegal next year though ;D
The likes of Eamon Fitzmaurice and a load of others will be putting more hours in than Jimmy in their normal everyday jobs. No issue. FFS Micko was doing more than any other business man was doing in his private life during the Golden Years and look what he achieved. Pat Gilroy is another example of someone with a high profile business role who managed both very well. Good luck to the lad.
Quote from: ross4life on November 09, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: cadence on November 09, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
is it for sure that he's taking it on part-time and will stay on as donegal manager?
Yes 3 days in Glasgow the other 4 in Donegal. Brian McEniff said it won't be easy to juggle the two jobs with a young family but if anyone can do it Jimmy can.
like other posters have said, others managers juggle work and gaa. in mcg's case, it might even be that he gets more shillings for less days, 2 or even 3 days less. not a bad arrangement if he could graft two long days with the tic and back then to donegal to spend some well earned time with the family during the day and take donegal training of an evening.
jim says it won't stop him fulfilling his duties with us, and might be beneficial even. having flexible hours is the key i suppose.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/jim-mcguinness-celtic-donegal-switch-668561-Nov2012/
Typical Celtic they park the bus and fluke a result midweek and then think they can go in and buy an all Ireland winning manager. If you got money ?? Des Farrell and the boys will be trying to get senior jobs now. Who d have thought?
he's ideal for celtic. very smart move on their behalf. aside from the fact that mcg and lennon are like minds on their take on sport and the skills jim has, he's an all-ireland winning manager from donegal. if you know your history and all that is exactly what celtic are saying by giving him that role. hats off to celtic/lennon for understanding the pull of your own county too. one slight problem possibly of him being a huge success and being asked to take on more responsibility, but it's not as if he's betraying us, it's the tic.
Bogue banned from Parkhead.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Lol. A statemtent that if said this time last year would have been entirely accurate. Not so sure if it'll come true this year!
Is it 250k over 5 years that he is getting?
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Lol. A statemtent that if said this time last year would have been entirely accurate. Not so sure if it'll come true this year!
You honestly believe donegal are going to buck the trend and do a two in a row. Not a hope in my opinion.
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Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Lol. A statemtent that if said this time last year would have been entirely accurate. Not so sure if it'll come true this year!
You honestly believe donegal are going to buck the trend and do a two in a row. Not a hope in my opinion.
I find it amusing that you would say the All Ireland Champions have a lack of footballing ability when u had a near breakdown when I suggested the same of last years champions!!
In terms of next year well I think Donegal are best placed to do it as they won this years All Ireland without getting out of 3rd gear. Save for a brief spell in the Tyrone game they went through the year at a canter really. I don't see why they couldn't go on and do it again next year!
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2012, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 10, 2012, 11:43:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 10, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 09, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Lol. A statemtent that if said this time last year would have been entirely accurate. Not so sure if it'll come true this year!
You honestly believe donegal are going to buck the trend and do a two in a row. Not a hope in my opinion.
I find it amusing that you would say the All Ireland Champions have a lack of footballing ability when u had a near breakdown when I suggested the same of last years champions!!
In terms of next year well I think Donegal are best placed to do it as they won this years All Ireland without getting out of 3rd gear. Save for a brief spell in the Tyrone game they went through the year at a canter really. I don't see why they couldn't go on and do it again next year!
Donegal still haven't beaten Dublin you know. We did to win our title. When they beat us in championship football I'll agree with you. Until then I'll take my chances!!
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
In terms of next year well I think Donegal are best placed to do it as they won this years All Ireland without getting out of 3rd gear. Save for a brief spell in the Tyrone game they went through the year at a canter really. I don't see why they couldn't go on and do it again next year!
Question is do they have a higher gear?
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
our game has produced a good number of qualified talented young coaches, and they're not going to break the bank with the budget that large soccer teams have, so it's worth a punt for them. just makes good financial sense to try something new that may reap great rewards.
very pleased it's celtic who have given a gaa man the start. fair play to mcg. getting his just rewards. just shows how far you can go when you apply yourself. great role model.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
most sports comps have small enough fields in fairness.
I would say if he does well then he will no doubt be promoted to working with the reserves and first team on a full time basis and fair play to him if he does.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 10, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM
In terms of next year well I think Donegal are best placed to do it as they won this years All Ireland without getting out of 3rd gear. Save for a brief spell in the Tyrone game they went through the year at a canter really. I don't see why they couldn't go on and do it again next year!
Question is do they have a higher gear?
They were well into fifth gear this year. Its just the mentality from some up north that somehow the all-irelands they win are a higher standard then the rest of the country.
They still get the same trophy at the end of it. Unfortunately some of them forget that.
Quote from: cadence on November 10, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
most sports comps have small enough fields in fairness.
Smaller than 1? Only one team can go for 2 in a row.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
William Hill:
4/1 Cork
4/1 Donegal
4/1 Kerry
9/1 Dublin
10/1 Mayo
16/1 Kildare
16/1 Tyrone
20/1 Meath
33/1 Down
33/1 Galway
40/1 Armagh
100/1 Derry
100/1 Laois
100/1 Longford
100/1 Roscommon
100/1 Sligo
100/1 Wexford
150/1 Monaghan
200/1 Antrim
200/1 Cavan
200/1 Clare
200/1 Fermanagh
200/1 Limerick
200/1 Louth
200/1 Offaly
200/1 Tipperary
200/1 Westmeath
200/1 Wicklow
500/1 Carlow
500/1 Leitrim
500/1 London
1000/1 Waterford
2000/1 New York
Quote from: Hardy on November 10, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
William Hill:
4/1 Cork
4/1 Donegal
4/1 Kerry
9/1 Dublin
10/1 Mayo
16/1 Kildare
16/1 Tyrone
20/1 Meath
33/1 Down
33/1 Galway
40/1 Armagh
100/1 Derry
100/1 Laois
100/1 Longford
100/1 Roscommon
100/1 Sligo
100/1 Wexford
150/1 Monaghan
200/1 Antrim
200/1 Cavan
200/1 Clare
200/1 Fermanagh
200/1 Limerick
200/1 Louth
200/1 Offaly
200/1 Tipperary
200/1 Westmeath
200/1 Wicklow
500/1 Carlow
500/1 Leitrim
500/1 London
1000/1 Waterford
2000/1 New York
Love to know how they reckon Laois are priced at 100/1, and Meath are 20/1. Laois had a excellent run and knocked out the Royals along the way, should have beaten the Dublin also.
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: cadence on November 10, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
most sports comps have small enough fields in fairness.
Smaller than 1? Only one team can go for 2 in a row.
aye but we'll have to beat the same lot to win it again and this is the usual case in most sports comps being the point that's being made naw.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 10, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
Quote from: Hardy on November 10, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on November 10, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on November 10, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
William Hill:
4/1 Cork
4/1 Donegal
4/1 Kerry
9/1 Dublin
10/1 Mayo
16/1 Kildare
16/1 Tyrone
20/1 Meath
33/1 Down
33/1 Galway
40/1 Armagh
100/1 Derry
100/1 Laois
100/1 Longford
100/1 Roscommon
100/1 Sligo
100/1 Wexford
150/1 Monaghan
200/1 Antrim
200/1 Cavan
200/1 Clare
200/1 Fermanagh
200/1 Limerick
200/1 Louth
200/1 Offaly
200/1 Tipperary
200/1 Westmeath
200/1 Wicklow
500/1 Carlow
500/1 Leitrim
500/1 London
1000/1 Waterford
2000/1 New York
Love to know how they reckon Laois are priced at 100/1, and Meath are 20/1. Laois had a excellent run and knocked out the Royals along the way, should have beaten the Dublin also.
laois had as much chance of beating dublin as cavan did of winning sam in the next 20 years
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For what its worth.
Fair play to Mc Guinness. As a consultant sports psychologist his achievements have been recognised by a big brand who have come in for his services. In this current economic climate who wouldnt give an arm and a leg for a "gig" like that.
If he feels he can juggle both roles then there is a great chance he can. He will also learn at Celtic and transfer that skill set to further improve whatever amateurism is left in Tir Connail. And Rory Gallagher and co will make sure there is no slippage in his absence.
Great for Jim. Great for Celtic. Great for Donegal who would at this point probably be favourites for 2 in a row.
Small enough field in fairness.
William Hill:
4/1 Cork
4/1 Donegal
4/1 Kerry
9/1 Dublin
10/1 Mayo
16/1 Kildare
16/1 Tyrone
20/1 Meath
33/1 Down
33/1 Galway
40/1 Armagh
100/1 Derry
100/1 Laois
100/1 Longford
100/1 Roscommon
100/1 Sligo
100/1 Wexford
150/1 Monaghan
200/1 Antrim
200/1 Cavan
200/1 Clare
200/1 Fermanagh
200/1 Limerick
200/1 Louth
200/1 Offaly
200/1 Tipperary
200/1 Westmeath
200/1 Wicklow
500/1 Carlow
500/1 Leitrim
500/1 London
1000/1 Waterford
2000/1 New York
Love to know how they reckon Laois are priced at 100/1, and Meath are 20/1. Laois had a excellent run and knocked out the Royals along the way, should have beaten the Dublin also.
laois had as much chance of beating dublin as cavan did of winning sam in the next 20 years
Yeah because Dublin were something like 1/10 to win that match to Laois priced at 8/1. A scrappy goal was the difference. A laois team that were without Craig Rogers, Donie Kingston, Donie Brennan. Kingston is apparently back for them next year.
Cavan have lots of talent coming along, Rome wasn't in a day. St Pats Cavan are producing some top class players, so shut up with your ignorance.
Ha, I think someone might mean that Donegal would be the front runners for 2 in a row given they're the only team who can possibly do it!!
Indiana by listening to you you would think that Jim McGuinness programmed a team of cyborgs.
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Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
Lol. A statemtent that if said this time last year would have been entirely accurate. Not so sure if it'll come true this year!
You honestly believe donegal are going to buck the trend and do a two in a row. Not a hope in my opinion.
I find it amusing that you would say the All Ireland Champions have a lack of footballing ability when u had a near breakdown when I suggested the same of last years champions!!
In terms of next year well I think Donegal are best placed to do it as they won this years All Ireland without getting out of 3rd gear. Save for a brief spell in the Tyrone game they went through the year at a canter really. I don't see why they couldn't go on and do it again next year!
Donegal still haven't beaten Dublin you know. We did to win our title. When they beat us in championship football I'll agree with you. Until then I'll take my chances!!
Like a Tyrone man saying Kerry hadn't beaten them and that changed this year. If Laois,Meath can push Dublin all the way and Mayo beat them i don't think Donegal have much to fear.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 10, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
Ha, I think someone might mean that Donegal would be the front runners for 2 in a row given they're the only team who can possibly do it!!
Indiana by listening to you you would think that Jim McGuinness programmed a team of cyborgs.
hah, i think someone might mean donegal are favs to win the all ireland, which would give us the two in a row. we all know what he meant. anyway.
This seems a great opportunity for McGuinness which he would be crazy to pass up.WI this have impact on the panel? or will they be able to apply the same single minded dedication to the cause?
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Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
I dont know many professional footballers to be honest but the two Keane lads at united have got a full set of, good, GCSE grades. Michael has got good AS grades also, I know, I taught him. Im sire plenty of others have similar. Also, Im sure there are a lot of people who have not really finished school but are more educated than me or you. Two stereotypes you made in your post mate
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Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
I dont know many professional footballers to be honest but the two Keane lads at united have got a full set of, good, GCSE grades. Michael has got good AS grades also, I know, I taught him. Im sire plenty of others have similar. Also, Im sure there are a lot of people who have not really finished school but are more educated than me or you. Two stereotypes you made in your post mate
You teach people? You should mark yourself down for spelling mistakes!!
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Donegal will suffer if he takes both. So Celtic will win out I expect.
Also he may find working with the uneducated money hungry upstarts that soccer generally produces who largely dont give a rats arse about anyone bar themselves a far harder proposition then players who play for the jersey.
considering hew will be working with the youth squads he may well have a hand in stopping such developments in the players. And as for "uneducated", behave yourself
They dont really finish school so they are largely uneducated. I dont blamehifor taking the gig I definitely would. But I wouldnt kid myself thinking I could manage a county team too.
Donegal will struggle next year as the lack of football skills in the team will be exposed if the ravenous hunger and tactical appreciation he gave them falls by the wayside in his abscence
I dont know many professional footballers to be honest but the two Keane lads at united have got a full set of, good, GCSE grades. Michael has got good AS grades also, I know, I taught him. Im sire plenty of others have similar. Also, Im sure there are a lot of people who have not really finished school but are more educated than me or you. Two stereotypes you made in your post mate
I've no problem stating the vast majority of english soccer players are uneducated
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a lot of hulabaloo about jims appointment to the youth academy at celtic lets get real here from some some peoples interviews harte mc hugh etc you would think he was taking celtic over oh forgot mc gurn who failed miserably at armagh also throwing in his views getting air time and print time when things are slack on the gaa front good pr for celtic having an all ireland winning manager on the books might increase the ticket sales oh and mickey seems to to have an issue with the compromise rules but not soccer when it concerns celtic dont think tyrone would be up for a tyrone manager to be working for a foreign sports club
I think there is sonething wrong with your comma and full stop keys.
I've no problem stating the vast majority of english soccer players are uneducated
I've no problem stating the vast majority of "Irish" supporters of english soccer players are uneducated
i feel much more educated having read this thread.
(http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/30434/Donegal%20Sam%20Maguire%20pic%20airport.jpg)
I wouldn't want to be a customs officer calling over Big Jim for a chat.
Rumours that some panel members have walked out on Jim McGuinness.
There were persistent rumours in Donegal today (Wednesday) that Kilcar's Mark McHugh was no longer part of the Donegal panel.
However, when contacted McHugh would not confirm that he had left the panel. He said that he was waiting to talk to Jim McGuinness.
McHugh was used as a substitute on Sunday last when Donegal lost out to Monaghan in the Allianz National Football League Division Two final. He was introduced before half-time.
McHugh was not at training with Donegal on Tuesday night and in the aftermath, the rumours that he was no longer part of the squad, started.
The Kilcar man, who won an All-Star in 2012, has been part of the Donegal panel since 2010. He had been troubled by injury for part of this year's National League and while named for the final game away to Armagh, was not able to start.
It is learned that two other panel members, Gary McFadden of Glenswilly and Thomas McKinley of Naomh Colmcille, have opted out
Efforts to contact Donegal manager, Jim McGuinness, to confirm or deny the departures have been unsuccessful.
Not all rosy ahead of the championship with Rory Kavanagh suspended too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767)
Confirmation of that news re. McHugh. That's a massive blow for Donegal. Down fans will be delighted!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767)
Confirmation of that news re. McHugh. That's a massive blow for Donegal. Down fans will be delighted!
What's odds did you get on a Down Donegal final?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/gaelic-games/27229767)
Confirmation of that news re. McHugh. That's a massive blow for Donegal. Down fans will be delighted!
What's odds did you get on a Down Donegal final?
Sorry - slip of the keyboard - I meant Derry of course
What an awful year+ that Donegal have had since winning the 2012 All-Ireland.
It doesn't matter what team such a walkout happens to, it's deflating for the county and for the GAA.
But of course, Derry folk are allowed a wry smile.
Quote from: Banter Panther on April 30, 2014, 08:30:54 PM
What an awful year+ that Donegal have had since winning the 2012 All-Ireland.
And to think Joe Brolly held them in the same esteem as Kilkenny hurlers under Cody.
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What an awful year+ that Donegal have had since winning the 2012 All-Ireland.
And to think Joe Brolly held them in the same esteem as Kilkenny hurlers under Cody.
I have to admit, Joe Brolly's adoration of them was sickening, and I can't say I wasn't glad that they came right back down to earth last year. Which was wrong of me, because Donegal were in no way responsible for what Brolly was coming out with.
If I find Mark on the beer in Sligo too tonight I'll pass on your questions.
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If I find Mark on the beer in Sligo too tonight I'll pass on your questions.
If there's somebody of some repute on the beer in the wild west, you're the man to be on the spot to witness the event.
Any reasons why they've walked out? And Mark McHugh's brother, Ryan, is still on the panel, right?
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Any reasons why they've walked out? And Mark McHugh's brother, Ryan, is still on the panel, right?
Mark's never one to shy away from a night out but clearly it's never impacted his performance on the field, and he obviously takes training seriously too.
Two strong personalities like McHugh and Jim was always to be an alliance fraught with fault-lines.
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It doesn't matter what team such a walkout happens to, it's deflating for the county and for the GAA.
But of course, Derry folk are allowed a wry smile.
Mark McHugh will be playing on the 25th May. No one has confirmed he's gone.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0430/614101-mchugh-and-others-leave-donegal-panel/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0430/614101-mchugh-and-others-leave-donegal-panel/)
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It doesn't matter what team such a walkout happens to, it's deflating for the county and for the GAA.
But of course, Derry folk are allowed a wry smile.
Mark McHugh will be playing on the 25th May. No one has confirmed he's gone.
Who are you calling "no one"?
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If I find Mark on the beer in Sligo too tonight I'll pass on your questions.
If there's somebody of some repute on the beer in the wild west, you're the man to be on the spot to witness the event.
There must be some underage drinkin goin on in Shliiigo if Syfín is getting served :o
I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Apologies if unclear. What I mean is the player hasn't confirmed he has left and neither has the management. Appears that the Donegal media published the story based on rumour this afternoon.
I wouldn't mind Monaghan winning an AI, I have some degree of envy that Donegal managed that feat with an average enough team, fair f**ks to McGuinness ........... and beating Tyrone twice along the way.
Jimmy's losing players. If this is true he seems to have fallen out with a few people the past couple of years - first Rory Gallagher and then this. A driven individual or a hard man to get on with?
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Jimmy's losing players. If this is true he seems to have fallen out with a few people the past couple of years - first Rory Gallagher and then this. A driven individual or a hard man to get on with?
They're not mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Armamike on April 30, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Jimmy's losing players. If this is true he seems to have fallen out with a few people the past couple of years - first Rory Gallagher and then this. A driven individual or a hard man to get on with?
Could be and probably is both.
No sign of Mark tonight. Must have made up with Hitler.
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
+1
Heard Brolly on radio this week on about Donegal and Monaghan playing outdated football and that their behind the rest, he sounds more like Paul Galvin talking about fashion. Has he got a point though? Maybe Jimmy McGuinness knows no other way to play? They looked a mess on Sunday last
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
I wouldn't take any notice of his opinions, it's the way others do that bothers me. Love him or hate him, he's got an audience. I hear a lot of people saying 'he's right more often than now', but I don't think that's hard when you back every horse in the race, eh?
Quote from: Banter Panther on May 02, 2014, 12:49:59 AM
I wouldn't take any notice of his opinions, it's the way others do that bothers me. Love him or hate him, he's got an audience. I hear a lot of people saying 'he's right more often than now', but I don't think that's hard when you back every horse in the race, eh?
Only knows one way to train a team that's his biggest problem. I know a couple of the donegal players very well and some fo the training they did pre-xmas was beyond professional sport in my oponion
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Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
Brolly is painful at times on TV. But he is playing to the audience. People seem to like listening to that Dunphy style controversialism and hypocrisy. But off screen he is not the same. Joe is polite, reasonable and incisive. He has a lot to say about the game that is worth listening to. It is just too bad that RTE have decided to go with a style that is effectively who can say the most controversial comment and how much can each panelist attack the other's view.
Also what doesn't come across is that he has a terrific sense of humor and is a very witty man. Tells great stories and is well worth listening to.
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
The same sickening c*** as you eloquently put it who has done more for organ donation in Ireland then anyone else.
Silly comments from yourself. I don't agree with half his views at times either
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
The same sickening c*** as you eloquently put it who has done more for organ donation in Ireland then anyone else.
Silly comments from yourself. I don't agree with half his views at times either
+1
He's not wise and us Derry men don't agree with him half the time (unless its Tyrone bashing) but there is no doubt he's a great man (opt for life) and I'd have him any day over the silent assassins who take the brown envelope up and down the country!!
For this, we have to thank Joe and people like him. Whatever his views are on GAA we all love to listen, even if we don't agree. He's an entertainer and does his job well. And as someone said, he'll not be looking for a brown envelope at the end of the night either.
The number of organ donors registered in Northern Ireland has reached an all time high at just over 582,000 people.
If it's good enough for Edwin Poots, good enough for me too.
http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news-dhssps-300414-poots-praises-record
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I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
The same sickening c*** as you eloquently put it who has done more for organ donation in Ireland then anyone else.
Silly comments from yourself. I don't agree with half his views at times either
I never disputed or commented on his charitabale work or work in organ donation field. he should be loudly congratulated.
My comments were based upon his punditry and his messiah syndrome, whereby he is right and everyone else wrong.
Two seperate issues, dont get confused Indiana.
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Quote from: Banter Panther on April 30, 2014, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 30, 2014, 09:28:34 PM
I would put nothing past McGuinness. This could be some sort of ploy.
I was paranoid after the Monaghan game last year, because I couldn't believe how 'unbeatable' Donegal could not only be beaten, but beaten very tamely. Then the Mayo game came along. I just don't believe he's the psychological genius Brolly made him out to be. He's been a good manager, but he's not some kind of mastermind.
Brolly will hop up and ride whatever is in gaa vogue at the current time, to a nauseating degree. He drops them just as quick. His fawning over Tyrone was sickening , he swiftly turned on them as soon as they faded, hes done the same with Donegal, and will do the same with Dublin. Hes an intelligent articulate and decent man, but why anyone would pay any special attention to his views on gaa is beyond me.
Absolutely bang on the money. A sickening c**t who jumps on any bandwagon. A favourite backer and self declared saviour of the all that is good in the GAA.
Would love to hear mario rosenstock doing him, similar to flip flop Dunphy
The same sickening c*** as you eloquently put it who has done more for organ donation in Ireland then anyone else.
Silly comments from yourself. I don't agree with half his views at times either
I never disputed or commented on his charitabale work or work in organ donation field. he should be loudly congratulated.
My comments were based upon his punditry and his messiah syndrome, whereby he is right and everyone else wrong.
Two seperate issues, dont get confused Indiana.
I'm not getting confused. Your original post didn't state the distinction.
He's a showman and I don't agree with him half the time but he is a true GAA man in my opinion. And that's borne by his actions as a GAA man not his words.
I suppose I like a bit of showbiz. 8)
I vaguely thought this was the Jim McGuinness thread, Joes got the entire last page here
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=220008
News that Jim McGuinness is to be handed a greater role at Celtic FC has raised questions marks over his future as Donegal manager.
The Glenties man, who is preparing the Tir Chonaill men for their fourth Ulster SFC final in as many years, has been employed on a part-time basis as a performance consultant by the Glasgow giants since November 2012. But it has now emerged that new Celtic manager Ronnie Deila wants McGuinness involved in an increased capacity, which means he may no longer be able to combine both roles.
"We already have a sports psychologist in Jim McGuinness, so I want to bring him in even more," Deila is quoted as saying.
"All my staff's knowledge is going to be used. I can't do it all. I want the best scientists in the world. They have to have experience and learn, but I also have to go out to seek new knowledge.
"We will grow as a staff in our knowledge and the players will adapt."
McGuinness has been working with Celtic's youth and fringe players over the past two years, but his remit could soon involve working with the first team squad also.
Is there any heir apparent when McGuiness goes? Rory Gallagher was the obvious man until he was excommunicated by Pope Jimmy last year.
It worries me that Deila with some of his comments to date that he is soccer's version of John Morrison. I was over at Celtic training in January and Jim was no where near the first team,but was but one of a myriad of coaches looking after the younger teams.In fact my host who is employed full time by Celtic in a non coaching capacity had never heard of him!
Jimmy's watching match's.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-column-mature-donegal-display-could-herald-a-new-era-1.2217272
Jimmy turned up at the Kerry training? :D
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=238533
Feck the neck on the hoor was/is unbelievable...... You can imagine Padi
"Who the f**k does he think he is? Jesus Christ?"
Jimmy's robbing ideas?
His IT article today is strangely familiar to wobblers idea for the championship structure.
Jimmy didn't come across too good on last nights second captains show.
Typical of such a domineering figure though, he is always right and his enemies are wrong.
Quote from: highorlow on November 12, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
Jimmy didn't come across too good on last nights second captains show.
Typical of such a domineering figure though, he is always right and his enemies are wrong.
Just reading about it there I'm not able to get RTE and it pains me mostly because I think Second Captains is excellent. Was Jimmy a bit rattled?!
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: highorlow on November 12, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
Jimmy didn't come across too good on last nights second captains show.
Typical of such a domineering figure though, he is always right and his enemies are wrong.
Just reading about it there I'm not able to get RTE and it pains me mostly because I think Second Captains is excellent. Was Jimmy a bit rattled?!
I didn't think so. He got a bit of a grilling from McDevitt but was able to stand his ground. Great interview.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-dont-think-theres-a-need-to-react-to-that-jim-mcguinness-riled-during-tense-second-captains-tv-interview-34193495.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/i-dont-think-theres-a-need-to-react-to-that-jim-mcguinness-riled-during-tense-second-captains-tv-interview-34193495.html)
very rattled . who facial expression changed when asked to explain himself and Fair play to Eoin he kept going until despite the murder in Jimmmys eyes.
best mcguiness could come up with a very odd comparing himself to Alex Ferguson and Blamng the journalists for asking Questions about the controversies and Saying that what they are concentrating on because 'thats where the money is '
Yes it is Jimmy and your making that money by betraying that Great bond you claim to have had with the players and fellow coaches.
he sounded a right p***k
mid you he did remove that thug from number one sport on the wall and replaced him with Mick o dwyer so he cant be all bad
Sick at this stage of hearing about hows things are going at celtic. Not too well I'll tell you. battered in any big games so far this season. Afraid was what Roony delia called the players after euro defeat. Was jimmy ever asked anything about this?. Another impplosion last week against molde and jimmy is stuck in Eason's!!. He just loves talking about himself!
Can that interview be got anywhere other than the RTE player?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dhovh_mcgu_sport
Quote from: screenexile on November 12, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: highorlow on November 12, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
Jimmy didn't come across too good on last nights second captains show.
Typical of such a domineering figure though, he is always right and his enemies are wrong.
Just reading about it there I'm not able to get RTE and it pains me mostly because I think Second Captains is excellent. Was Jimmy a bit rattled?!
He was a bit rattled ok , His demeanour definitely changed when he was pushed on he rory gallagher / kevin cassidy issue
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 12, 2015, 10:07:53 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dhovh_mcgu_sport
It's finishes just as McDevitt asks the question about double standards.
Jimmy was probably expecting the same sort of "aren't you great" interview full of softball questions he got both times he was on the Late Late. The fact that he got asked any sort of tough questions at all was probably a major shock.
Will be very interesting to see if his soccer coaching career develops - how long will he remain at Celtic ? Any decent players, managers or coaches don't tend to stick around too long in Scotland before moving down South, although these days the fact that the Championship is a step up from the SPL says a world about the state of Scottish football.
A lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.
He obviously did a lot of things right so ;)
To lighten the mood............in his book Jimmy talks about being in an Ulster dressing room for the first time and feeling quite nervous. Long haired and bearded he is approached by Peter Canavan who looks up at him and says "Jasus, I hope the reporters don't get us mixed up"....................
QuoteA lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.
I like Jim but it's the double standards that I don't get.
He could have left the piece about the Rory Gallagher clash out of this edition of his book and wait until the man is gone from the Donegal set up. If it's Jim's mantra "what goes on in the group stays in the group" then Jim has broken his own rule. If all he cares about is Donegal then he has let them down in this instance. I'd say he regrets some aspects of the book.
No one is begrudging.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
A lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.
He obviously did a lot of things right so ;)
he did an awful lot right , but his attitude of whe had did something amazing and dont care how how e did it i find abhorrent.
Its the same attitude that Grug cheats have ,end justify the means under all circumstances
and in the end he won one all-Ireland by 4 points against The 'Chokers from Mayo' who Mauled Jimmys team once his system was out
Football is jsut beginning to recover from his malign influence
He doesn't really care what people think.
It's not really a good attitude when trying to sell a book to those same people.
Quote from: Thastheball on November 13, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: highorlow on November 13, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
QuoteA lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.
I like Jim but it's the double standards that I don't get.
He could have left the piece about the Rory Gallagher clash out of this edition of his book and wait until the man is gone from the Donegal set up. If it's Jim's mantra "what goes on in the group stays in the group" then Jim has broken his own rule. If all he cares about is Donegal then he has let them down in this instance. I'd say he regrets some aspects of the book.
No one is begrudging.
maybe because the group doesn't exist anymore from the point of view what they were trying to achieve is over. For instance if Cassidy hadn't of said what he did, but said it now he couldn't be kicked out of the group because the purpose of the group is over. It can't be double standards the agreement that was mooted only applied to the time they we in the county panel with Jim as manager, it was a time fixed contract so to speak.
That's true and that's what McGuinness said in the interview, but at the same time he knew that quoting Gallagher as he did had the potential to cause trouble for him.
While it's not the same thing, it's also not very nice. :'(
Some interesting commentary on this issue. I agree with the point on double standards. He compared his approach to Alex Ferguson, but in fairness Ferguson didn't disrespect the current united manager. Ferguson only commented on people and issues, ships that had sailed a long time ago. Jimmy commented about the man who is the current Donegal manager, that was wrong and I would guess that he regrets that now.
I thought his interview on second captains was great in that it told me more about him than anything previous. In Jims world he's never wrong and how dare anyone question him, when in fact it's blindingly obvious that we was wrong on a number of fronts (and right on so many others). He appeared to be an exceptionally stubborn character.
I too am sick listening to the Celtic crap "I'm doing my badges, I'm learning every day" blah blah. Personally I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of breaking into high level soccer as he simply won't be accepted. More power to him if he does though.
How the hell he has a wife and 5 young kids and is able and allowed to head off to Glasgow every week is remarkable and for some reason never questioned in interviews. perhaps its too personal.
ck many people travel to work jim be paid well at celtic compared to what he could earn at home imo
Quote from: skeog on November 13, 2015, 01:46:26 PM
ck many people travel to work jim be paid well at celtic compared to what he could earn at home imo
He can get to Glasgow quicker than Dublin sure.
Yes but it's very strange that he doesn't bring the family with him to Glasgow!
I have 3 kids. Would kill me to be away from them very long.
Ps: no it's not quicker to get home from Dublin.
Isn't it the Donegal tradition? Daddy goes to work in Scotland, family stay at home.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2015, 10:14:48 PM
Isn't it the Donegal tradition? Daddy goes to work in Scotland, family stay at home.
In a bygone era, it might have been 'Jimmy's hokin' tatties'...
Jimmy can be summed up that it takes two rooms to have an interview with him.
One for Mc Guinness and the other for his ego.
He is simply the most arrogant manager I can remember in recent times. Will talk about things on his terms
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
Jimmy can be summed up that it takes two rooms to have an interview with him.
One for Mc Guinness and the other for his ego.
He is simply the most arrogant manager I can remember in recent times. Will talk about things on his terms
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
He's no different to any other manager, ie. a dictator.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 14, 2015, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
Jimmy can be summed up that it takes two rooms to have an interview with him.
One for Mc Guinness and the other for his ego.
He is simply the most arrogant manager I can remember in recent times. Will talk about things on his terms
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
He's no different to any other manager, ie. a dictator.
Most of them manage a bit of humility in between. Jim couldn't spell it never mind exercise it.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 14, 2015, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
Jimmy can be summed up that it takes two rooms to have an interview with him.
One for Mc Guinness and the other for his ego.
He is simply the most arrogant manager I can remember in recent times. Will talk about things on his terms
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
He's no different to any other manager, ie. a dictator.
Most of them manage a bit of humility in between. Jim couldn't spell it never mind exercise it.
You'd never make a manager so 😜
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
They could have bought him a baseball cap.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
nothing to do with handpassing the ball across the half back line while being 4 points down.......
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
nothing to do with handpassing the ball across the half back line while being 4 points down.......
Kerry did most of that in the last ten minutes, a case of what we have we hold. Donegal scored 0-12 in that final which was the same total as Dublin scored against Kerry in this years final.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
nothing to do with handpassing the ball across the half back line while being 4 points down.......
Kerry did most of that in the last ten minutes, a case of what we have we hold. Donegal scored 0-12 in that final which was the same total as Dublin scored against Kerry in this years final.
But the difference is we won ;)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
And he explicitly says in the book that the team, for the first time under him, was very flat that day and that was a failure on his part. He also says he expected they would win the game by five or six points if they performed (overconfidence in the squad an issue?). He claims Kerry did nothing that they didn't expect in terms of tactics. He goes into his justification for putting Paddy McGrath on Paul Geaney, with the height difference being a factor in the first goal. He even, bizarrely, admits to hoping McFadden's injury time fist off the post wouldn't go in because he thought they didn't deserve it (hard to believe that one).
Hardly "nothing".
Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 14, 2015, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 14, 2015, 02:33:12 PM
For example- wax lyrically about beating Dublin and nothing about losing to Kerry because he lost it on the line.
The rare mistake by Paul Durcan is the prime reason for Donegal losing that All Ireland. Not much the line could have done to prevent that.
And he explicitly says in the book that the team, for the first time under him, was very flat that day and that was a failure on his part. He also says he expected they would win the game by five or six points if they performed (overconfidence in the squad an issue?). He claims Kerry did nothing that they didn't expect in terms of tactics. He goes into his justification for putting Paddy McGrath on Paul Geaney, with the height difference being a factor in the first goal. He even, bizarrely, admits to hoping McFadden's injury time fist off the post wouldn't go in because he thought they didn't deserve it (hard to believe that one).
Hardly "nothing".
Hoped they didn't score it as they didn't deserve it? Ah c'mon Jimmy.
jims ego knows no bounds mentioning fergie a bit ott
Quote from: rosnarun on November 12, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
mid you he did remove that thug from number one sport on the wall and replaced him with Mick o dwyer so he cant be all bad
Removing Paul O'Connell from the wall was a crime. The thug got promoted to 2.
Quote from: Thastheball on November 13, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: highorlow on November 13, 2015, 11:03:07 AM
QuoteA lot of begrudgery about Jimmy in these parts.
I like Jim but it's the double standards that I don't get.
He could have left the piece about the Rory Gallagher clash out of this edition of his book and wait until the man is gone from the Donegal set up. If it's Jim's mantra "what goes on in the group stays in the group" then Jim has broken his own rule. If all he cares about is Donegal then he has let them down in this instance. I'd say he regrets some aspects of the book.
No one is begrudging.
maybe because the group doesn't exist anymore from the point of view what they were trying to achieve is over. For instance if Cassidy hadn't of said what he did, but said it now he couldn't be kicked out of the group because the purpose of the group is over. It can't be double standards the agreement that was mooted only applied to the time they we in the county panel with Jim as manager, it was a time fixed contract so to speak.
What did Cassidy say? I've read the book back a few times and cannot see anything revealing.
Have read his book and my overall impression is one of disappointment. Having watched The Late Late Show interview and read the first 50 pages or so I was very much a Jimmy fan given the family heartbreak he had been through but I do think if there were more managers like him in County football it would not be good for the game overall. And here is why:
- county players get pushed to such extremes that they cannot hold down a job
- club players get pushed so much to one side that they just don't matter
- money and financial backing is so integral to success that it cannot be sustained
- egos of managers get so big that they totally lose the run of themselves
- amateur county boards just cant handle the demands placed on them
Nobody can take away the All Ireland Donegal won in 2012 and I would say that Jimmy's positive attitude towards the Ulster Championship was also to be applauded. However to do this he raised the bar so high that I feel it is impossible to be sustained and the game in Donegal and beyond is suffering and will continue to suffer at county and in particular club level.
This is the legacy left behind:
- to be a county player you must train like a professional athlete and will find it very difficult to work
- county players should not play for their clubs whilst still in the All Ireland championship
- county boards should be able to provide professional like facilities/services for their county teams at whatever cost
- if the county manager does not get his was he holds the rest of the county to ransom
Maybe it is after reading Joe Brollys column last week but I don't know why anyone would want to be a county footballer these days. At least they get to be on the pitch I guess...........but how about this.........who the hell would want to be on a county board?
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
Agree with J70. He's not been doing anything revolutionary in relation to asking the limit from players. Miko was doing it in the 70's and early 80's. McGuinness does not play the nice/fun guy to the media. JMG is a driven man. And this comes across in interviews and general comments. He does not do small talk and the GAA world like small talk. Ger Loughnane could do small talk. Sean Boylan could do small talk. Miko was the king of small talk.
Anyway back to JMG. Winning the AI in 2012 was no fluke. The systems and belief were put in place by McGuinness.
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
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Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Quote from: JoG2 on November 19, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 19, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Agree with J70. He's not been doing anything revolutionary in relation to asking the limit from players. Miko was doing it in the 70's and early 80's. McGuinness does not play the nice/fun guy to the media. JMG is a driven man. And this comes across in interviews and general comments. He does not do small talk and the GAA world like small talk. Ger Loughnane could do small talk. Sean Boylan could do small talk. Miko was the king of small talk.
Anyway back to JMG. Winning the AI in 2012 was no fluke. The systems and belief were put in place by McGuinness.
He was never driven enough to get himself a proper job before the age of 30.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
**Cough Cough**
Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!
Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 19, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
**Cough Cough**
Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!
Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!
Our lads work for a living . Very few of his did. Let's stick to the facts .
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Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
**Cough Cough**
Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!
Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!
Our lads work for a living . Very few of his did. Let's stick to the facts .
Seriously Indiana my sides are sore here please stop!!
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 19, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
**Cough Cough**
Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!
Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!
Our lads work for a living . Very few of his did. Let's stick to the facts .
God I love a good fact!!
Cluxton - Teacher
McMahon - Fitness Coach (work? Lol)
O'Carroll - Student (He's twenty f**king five come on!)
Fitzsimons - Proper job
McCaffrey - Student
O'Sullivan - Proper job
McCarthy - Student (another middle aged student)
Bastick - Proper job
Fenton - Student (I'm sensing a theme here)
Connolly - Proper job
Kilkenny - Student
Flynn - Proper job
Brogan- "Entrepreneur" (interesting and mysterious)
Rock - Student
Andrews - Proper job
6 proper jobs out of the starting 15
Subs:
McManamon - Proper job
McCauley - Student
Cooper - Student
Small - Student
Daly - Proper job
Brogan- Proper job
3/6 on the subs
At least another 9 of the panel also students!!!
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 19, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 19, 2015, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
He took a team going nowhere to the holy grail ffs.. It was scientific enough!
Big deal- he had a professional Gaelic Football team- it was the minumum expected
**Cough Cough**
Yeah says the Dub with all the money, population, and the high performance centre and only 4 paltry All Ireland's in 30 plus years!!!
Your level of begrudgery towards Donegal knows no bounds Indiana get over it they won't be a threat to you lads again it looks like you've finally pulled the fingers out of your holes for the first time in those 30 odd years!!!
Our lads work for a living . Very few of his did. Let's stick to the facts .
You Dubs are like big weans. You know the scales are so unbelievably tipped in your favour, yet you take every opportunity to go on the ultra defensive..But..... But.... But.... Everything has been handed to your county on a plate and yet the return in the last 20/30 years is truly scant. It has all changed now though, all the pieces of this very lop sided jigsaw puzzle are in place. So sit back and enjoy the conveyor belt of Sams. Just hope it doesn't get boring for ye ;)
Quote from: INDIANA on November 19, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 19, 2015, 08:08:39 PM
All of that stuff was in place long before McGuinness. Christ, Ger Loughnane was putting Clare hurlers through the torturous training 20 years ago. And people have been complaining for years about club championships being put on hold for the county team. As for the funding, McGuinness raised the money himself for the team. It was the only way to get the players together for proper training and nights before games as the CB didnt have it. And given some of the gobshites on the Donegal CB and their disgraceful treatment of various senior county managers and candidates over the years, not just Jim himself, I wouldn't blame him for his antipathy towards them.
No it wasn't please don't distort the facts. There has never been any team that has been pushed into the ground like the Donegal team Mc Guinness trained. And please don't insult professional sports scientists by saying it was a professional athlete's regime. It wasn't- you wouldn't train a cart-horse as much as he ran lads into the ground.
The level of training and commitment has been building up for years. If McGuinness hadn't pushed it on another notch, another county would have (and they have). It's the way it's been going.
QuoteOur lads work are employed for a living
Let's stick to the facts
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 19, 2015, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 19, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Agree with J70. He's not been doing anything revolutionary in relation to asking the limit from players. Miko was doing it in the 70's and early 80's. McGuinness does not play the nice/fun guy to the media. JMG is a driven man. And this comes across in interviews and general comments. He does not do small talk and the GAA world like small talk. Ger Loughnane could do small talk. Sean Boylan could do small talk. Miko was the king of small talk.
Anyway back to JMG. Winning the AI in 2012 was no fluke. The systems and belief were put in place by McGuinness.
He was never driven enough to get himself a proper job before the age of 30.
In fact he never had a job before the age of 40. Celtic is his first full time salary. How he managed from 30 (when he left college) to 40 I don't know. Mystery.
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
You didn't even know Fenton was working . several of the Donegal weren't even students . They had no job , no college course and were ahem " looked after". Now run along
Quote from: INDIANA on November 20, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
You didn't even know Fenton was working . several of the Donegal weren't even students . They had no job , no college course and were ahem " looked after". Now run along
"Several"?
Ryan Bradley was out of work (not uncommon in a place like Donegal were many of us have had to leave for that very reason, even in the good times) and ended up having to leave the sqyad and emigrate. I remember Neil Gallagher, I think, losing his job at one point, not sure for how long. Who else?
Quote from: INDIANA on November 20, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
You didn't even know Fenton was working . several of the Donegal weren't even students . They had no job , no college course and were ahem " looked after". Now run along
The key here is, an emigration and employment ravaged rural county like Donegal, lead by Mcguinness, with the help of a few business men won the AI against all odds. There's a chance they may not ( like the vast majority of counties) win Sam again. The type of investment needed is not sustainable in virtually all counties with the exception of Dublin, maybe Kerry with Kerry Gold. Dublin will never want for the type of cash needed to win Sam. That's a fact. The rest will go door to door, run competitions, ask supporters to debit a £10 / month, have a shirt sponsor giving a few thousand / season. This is just to be competitive without really having a snowballs chance in hell of winning the darn thing. Dublin, the swipe of a pen and the coffers are bursting. It's not even in the realm of being a fair contest.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2015, 06:16:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on November 20, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
You didn't even know Fenton was working . several of the Donegal weren't even students . They had no job , no college course and were ahem " looked after". Now run along
The key here is, an emigration and employment ravaged rural county like Donegal, lead by Mcguinness, with the help of a few business men won the AI against all odds. There's a chance they may not ( like the vast majority of counties) win Sam again. The type of investment needed is not sustainable in virtually all counties with the exception of Dublin, maybe Kerry with Kerry Gold. Dublin will never want for the type of cash needed to win Sam. That's a fact. The rest will go door to door, run competitions, ask supporters to debit a £10 / month, have a shirt sponsor giving a few thousand / season. This is just to be competitive without really having a snowballs chance in hell of winning the darn thing. Dublin, the swipe of a pen and the coffers are bursting. It's not even in the realm of being a fair contest.
Our players work for a living too. Despite all the mud that's thrown at them- it's the other counties who swing the lead with largely professional athletes on their roster. The fact that they are no good in a lot of cases is not our fault.
The training Donegal did in one season would be a 3 year professional athlete workload. I'm not surprised the players were all out of work- i don't know how you could hold down a job training like a Navy SEAL. But Jim got what he wanted out of it. Fame to boost the ego. The players will all be on first name terms with the orthopaedic surgeons in the Sports Surgery Clinic in their 40's . That's for sure
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
True but they won the same as we did that year.
Nothing. ;D
Bit like Monaghan every year
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
Are you just making up stuff?
Where is this high performance centre Dublin have?
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
A great engagement party. Jilted at the altar though.
Wouldn't be harping on about it too much tbh. Imo of course.
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
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Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
You're coming out of this looking like a pompous asshõle, Heffo.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
You're coming out of this looking like a pompous asshõle, Heffo.
That's high praise coming from you.
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
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Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
You're coming out of this looking like a pompous asshõle, Heffo.
That's high praise coming from you.
Case in point.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
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Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
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Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
You're coming out of this looking like a pompous asshõle, Heffo.
Agreed.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2015, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 22, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2015, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
JIM GALVIN inherited a team that had won an All Ireland, had a system in place, had sponsors, had an established backroom team.
New sponsor, new backroom and no Mayo-esque foreign bagmen.
Backroom team not as big as the 20+ Mayo backroom team, but they're effective nonetheless.
No doubt Mayo have 20+ backroom team, but I'd bet if you looked at the a/cs for the season. Their cost would be far less than Dublins back room team.
Anyway this is about JMG. He brought non tradition of winning Donegal side from nowhere to winning an AI.
I very much doubt that, but there is no bounds to the depth of your ignorance so I'll leave it go.
Indeed it is, you chose to post about your morbid obsession with Dublin.
Thanks for dragging this down to a slagging match with personal insults.
Galvin naturally will find it harder to get the recognition JMG gets because he inherited a finished product with a conveyor belt of talent coming through along with a lot of money to keep it going. That does not mean he is not a good manager, just it will take him longer to get recognition.
The ongoing inaccurate childish rubbish you post led to that.
Donegal are the best funded team in the country so you're wrong again.
You're coming out of this looking like a pompous asshõle, Heffo.
Rich coming from you.
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
In Dublin we just tend to look at the number of All irelands. I appreciate it's hard to put that in context to someone from Monaghan
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
In Dublin we just tend to look at the number of All irelands. I appreciate it's hard to put that in context to someone from Monaghan
Ah give him a break - he got his jollies on that 'joyful' day.
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Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
Are you just making up stuff?
Where is this high performance centre Dublin have?
https://www.dcu.ie/dcusport/high_performance.shtml
Quote from: INDIANA on November 20, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 20, 2015, 01:38:48 AM
Quote from: Beffs on November 20, 2015, 01:11:16 AM
Screenexile - Where are you getting these Dublin players job "facts" from?
Brian Fenton isn't a student. He is a physiotherapist in the Mater Hospital. As you can clearly see from his Twitter account, when he got to bring Sam into work one day.
Rory O'Carroll is a social worker, as covered by an article in the Indo, which covered his bringing Sam into a homeless shelter, that he does work in.
Brogan is a fully qualified chartered accountant, who worked for FGS for years, before setting up his own business, a couple of years ago.
MDMA is a teacher and works in a primary school in Rathfarnham.
McMahon counts Shamrock Rovers as one of the clients that he has been hired to do your "lol" fitness coaching for.
If you want to portray them all as a bunch of playboy students with faux "jobs" on the side, you are going to have to try a wee bit harder.
Fenton only graduated a few weeks ago so was a student last season!
O'Carroll fair enough but Wikipedia and the Dubs website both have him as a student.
Brogan is listed as an 'Entrepreneur' on the Dubs site as well.
MDMA is listed as a student teacher but what of it he still has summer off to concentrate on football!!
You can get into semantics if you want but the point still stands that the majority of the Dublin team do not have full time all year round employment. Most definitely Donegal had at least as many of not more lads working full time than the Dubs currently do
You didn't even know Fenton was working . several of the Donegal weren't even students . They had no job , no college course and were ahem " looked after". Now run along
I at least did a bit of research to come up with something concrete... Is the majority of the Dublin squad made up of teachers and students? Yes!
"Several of the Donegal weren't even students" . . . run along now and get us some details rather than dealing in rumour and conjecture!
None of the following Dublin players are full time students now, or were full time students at any time this year:
Rory O'Carroll, Cian O'Sullivan, Dennis Basick, Paddy Andrews, Bernard Brogan, Philly McMahon, Kevin Mc, Alan Brogan, Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Johnny Cooper. That is eleven players from this years All Ireland final.
But the majority of the Dublin players are teachers or students?
Ok then.... ::)
There are several panel members who are aged between 20 & 23 that are *shockingly* still in college. Naturally, that some sort of weird anomaly that doesn't happen in any other county !
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
In Dublin we just tend to look at the number of All irelands. I appreciate it's hard to put that in context to someone from Monaghan
Who's we? are you permanently deluded? Speak for yourself Indiana, it may be hard for you to credit but the drone like monotonous mantra of 'donegal won nothing in 2014' ' won nothing' in the context of reviewing McGuinness' input as county manager for that period, has a unique Squealer (the pig) standard of persuasion about it.
The debate level of a couple of old deranged, no-nothing inebriated wasters with wart riddled noses, incapable of further words on the matter.
I might be mistake though.
Quote from: INDIANA on November 22, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
In Dublin we just tend to look at the number of All irelands. I appreciate it's hard to put that in context to someone from Monaghan
the spirit of the GAA is alive and well and not living in Dublin !
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Galvin is 3 years with Dublin with a team that was built for him by Gilroy. A bad example!
JIM GAVIN is the dublin manager and his team was alot different to Gilroys. Changed the style of play introduced Cooper, Andrews, McCaffrey and this year has introduced Fenton. Each year he has brought in new blood. McGuinnes stuck with same small panel of 16/17 players for his reign and ran them into the ground
so your criticism of McGuiness is that he had a limited panel of players to work from and got the most out of them, but Gavin is a better manager because he has a huge population and conveyor belt of talent to work with? :-\
Quote from: heffo on November 21, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 20, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
Yet we will always remember and the broader GAA will always remember that day. Sure youse will remember it yourself as the launchpad for this year with the changes to the Dublin gameplan.
Regardless, that we fucked up the final step does not in any way detract from that performance. Up there with Dublin '92 and Cork '12 as our best ever. It was, as you say, fantastic!
Quote from: ck on November 21, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The anti Dublin bias on here is pathetic.
McGuinness came in and flogged a team for 3 or 4 years and had nothing more to give. Compare that with longer serving managers like Mickey Harte and Jim Gavin who build and re-build and keep returning for more.
Don't be ridiculous. First, Harte is a freak of nature in terms of longevity in intercounty management, especially in the past decade (and if this board is an accurate gauge, plenty in Tyrone wanted him replaced in recent years) . Second, Gavin is only there since the 2013 season and took on the GAA equivalent of Real Madrid or Bayern Munich i.e. an already successful and talented squad with more on the way.
And Donegal are not the only team to up the fitness regime. I don't recall them running Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry into the ground in any of their games, even going back to 2012.
I always thought they ran Kerry into the ground in 2012 J70. The rest not though so I would agree there.
I think Jimmy has got a bit carried away with himself and I thought it interesting how he compared himself to Alex Ferguson. I think in his head that is the kind of figure he is. I don't think Kevin Cassidy did much and it was part of a much greater plan for togetherness etc etc and to be fair it worked.
Not sure where all the Dublin stuff came from. It's not a fair comparison. All the above said he still made some turnaround in Donegal's fortunes. That same batch of players had many failures behind them and he really turned them round.
I don't think Donegal would have even been close to winning an AI without him. Dublin would still have won multiple with or without Gavin. Completely different challenge so very hard to compare them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
I always thought they ran Kerry into the ground in 2012 J70. The rest not though so I would agree there.
I think Jimmy has got a bit carried away with himself and I thought it interesting how he compared himself to Alex Ferguson. I think in his head that is the kind of figure he is. I don't think Kevin Cassidy did much and it was part of a much greater plan for togetherness etc etc and to be fair it worked.
Not sure where all the Dublin stuff came from. It's not a fair comparison. All the above said he still made some turnaround in Donegal's fortunes. That same batch of players had many failures behind them and he really turned them round.
I don't think Donegal would have even been close to winning an AI without him. Dublin would still have won multiple with or without Gavin. Completely different challenge so very hard to compare them.
Would Gavin win an AI with Donegal 2011-2014? Would Mickey Harte? Would McGuinness have made that slight difference to get Mayo across the line?
Who knows?
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
I always thought they ran Kerry into the ground in 2012 J70. The rest not though so I would agree there.
I think Jimmy has got a bit carried away with himself and I thought it interesting how he compared himself to Alex Ferguson. I think in his head that is the kind of figure he is. I don't think Kevin Cassidy did much and it was part of a much greater plan for togetherness etc etc and to be fair it worked.
Not sure where all the Dublin stuff came from. It's not a fair comparison. All the above said he still made some turnaround in Donegal's fortunes. That same batch of players had many failures behind them and he really turned them round.
I don't think Donegal would have even been close to winning an AI without him. Dublin would still have won multiple with or without Gavin. Completely different challenge so very hard to compare them.
I'd agree, and Dublin ran Kerry into the ground this year, but Dublin being Dublin, they are training 'smarter', and their 49 sport / conditioning scientists will back this up
Quote from: J70 on November 23, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2015, 03:30:16 PM
I always thought they ran Kerry into the ground in 2012 J70. The rest not though so I would agree there.
I think Jimmy has got a bit carried away with himself and I thought it interesting how he compared himself to Alex Ferguson. I think in his head that is the kind of figure he is. I don't think Kevin Cassidy did much and it was part of a much greater plan for togetherness etc etc and to be fair it worked.
Not sure where all the Dublin stuff came from. It's not a fair comparison. All the above said he still made some turnaround in Donegal's fortunes. That same batch of players had many failures behind them and he really turned them round.
I don't think Donegal would have even been close to winning an AI without him. Dublin would still have won multiple with or without Gavin. Completely different challenge so very hard to compare them.
Would Gavin win an AI with Donegal 2011-2014? Would Mickey Harte? Would McGuinness have made that slight difference to get Mayo across the line?
Who knows?
I think Mickey Harte could have got an AI out that Donegal squad, it was a good squad.
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I always thought they ran Kerry into the ground in 2012 J70. The rest not though so I would agree there.
I think Jimmy has got a bit carried away with himself and I thought it interesting how he compared himself to Alex Ferguson. I think in his head that is the kind of figure he is. I don't think Kevin Cassidy did much and it was part of a much greater plan for togetherness etc etc and to be fair it worked.
Not sure where all the Dublin stuff came from. It's not a fair comparison. All the above said he still made some turnaround in Donegal's fortunes. That same batch of players had many failures behind them and he really turned them round.
I don't think Donegal would have even been close to winning an AI without him. Dublin would still have won multiple with or without Gavin. Completely different challenge so very hard to compare them.
Would Gavin win an AI with Donegal 2011-2014? Would Mickey Harte? Would McGuinness have made that slight difference to get Mayo across the line?
Who knows?
No one will ever know. I think he would have had the ability to get Mayo over the line and Gavin wouldn't have got an AI out of Donegal. Harte maybe but not so sure there either.
I do think what he does has a shorter lifespan than either though...
All hypothetical!
To my mind McGuinness' achievement in winning an AI title with Donegal ranks as the best managerial feat in recent memory. It has to be remembered what he inherited which was a 2nd/3rd tier county in disarray and a bunch of players who had become accustomed to losing. He turned them into a team in his own image, intense, driven, serious and completely focussed on what they wanted to achieve. That was a big culture change for those players and the whole mindset of Donegal as a footballing county has changed largely because of McGuinness. Comparing Gavin's achievements to McGuinness is crazy considering the resources and player talent available to both men. That's not to belittle Gavin's achievement in any way which has been a fine one, but Gilroy done much of the spade work for Gavin in helping change Dublin from perennial losers into AI winners in a few seasons.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 23, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
To my mind McGuinness' achievement in winning an AI title with Donegal ranks as the best managerial feat in recent memory. It has to be remembered what he inherited which was a 2nd/3rd tier county in disarray and a bunch of players who had become accustomed to losing. He turned them into a team in his own image, intense, driven, serious and completely focussed on what they wanted to achieve. That was a big culture change for those players and the whole mindset of Donegal as a footballing county has changed largely because of McGuinness. Comparing Gavin's achievements to McGuinness is crazy considering the resources and player talent available to both men. That's not to belittle Gavin's achievement in any way which has been a fine one, but Gilroy done much of the spade work for Gavin in helping change Dublin from perennial losers into AI winners in a few seasons.
I would tend to agree. Up there with Mickey H . Otherwise not since the early 90s has a manager done as much with a non trad county.
It was encapsulated by Donegal beating Mayo. That confidence that Donegal had came out of McGuinness and poor Mayo had to submit to it.
Quote from: seafoid on November 23, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 23, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
To my mind McGuinness' achievement in winning an AI title with Donegal ranks as the best managerial feat in recent memory. It has to be remembered what he inherited which was a 2nd/3rd tier county in disarray and a bunch of players who had become accustomed to losing. He turned them into a team in his own image, intense, driven, serious and completely focussed on what they wanted to achieve. That was a big culture change for those players and the whole mindset of Donegal as a footballing county has changed largely because of McGuinness. Comparing Gavin's achievements to McGuinness is crazy considering the resources and player talent available to both men. That's not to belittle Gavin's achievement in any way which has been a fine one, but Gilroy done much of the spade work for Gavin in helping change Dublin from perennial losers into AI winners in a few seasons.
I would tend to agree. Up there with Mickey H . Otherwise not since the early 90s has a manager done as much with a non trad county.
It was encapsulated by Donegal beating Mayo. That confidence that Donegal had came out of McGuinness and poor Mayo had to submit to it.
You must be hurting down in Galway! ;D
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Quote from: seafoid on November 23, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 23, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
To my mind McGuinness' achievement in winning an AI title with Donegal ranks as the best managerial feat in recent memory. It has to be remembered what he inherited which was a 2nd/3rd tier county in disarray and a bunch of players who had become accustomed to losing. He turned them into a team in his own image, intense, driven, serious and completely focussed on what they wanted to achieve. That was a big culture change for those players and the whole mindset of Donegal as a footballing county has changed largely because of McGuinness. Comparing Gavin's achievements to McGuinness is crazy considering the resources and player talent available to both men. That's not to belittle Gavin's achievement in any way which has been a fine one, but Gilroy done much of the spade work for Gavin in helping change Dublin from perennial losers into AI winners in a few seasons.
I would tend to agree. Up there with Mickey H . Otherwise not since the early 90s has a manager done as much with a non trad county.
It was encapsulated by Donegal beating Mayo. That confidence that Donegal had came out of McGuinness and poor Mayo had to submit to it.
You must be hurting down in Galway! ;D
it's mid cycle here so no need to panic. They'll be usheless for a few more years and then something will happen
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 23, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 23, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
To my mind McGuinness' achievement in winning an AI title with Donegal ranks as the best managerial feat in recent memory. It has to be remembered what he inherited which was a 2nd/3rd tier county in disarray and a bunch of players who had become accustomed to losing. He turned them into a team in his own image, intense, driven, serious and completely focussed on what they wanted to achieve. That was a big culture change for those players and the whole mindset of Donegal as a footballing county has changed largely because of McGuinness. Comparing Gavin's achievements to McGuinness is crazy considering the resources and player talent available to both men. That's not to belittle Gavin's achievement in any way which has been a fine one, but Gilroy done much of the spade work for Gavin in helping change Dublin from perennial losers into AI winners in a few seasons.
I would tend to agree. Up there with Mickey H . Otherwise not since the early 90s has a manager done as much with a non trad county.
It was encapsulated by Donegal beating Mayo. That confidence that Donegal had came out of McGuinness and poor Mayo had to submit to it.
You must be hurting down in Galway! ;D
it's mid cycle here so no need to panic. They'll be usheless for a few more years and then something will happen
I suppose the last famine lasted from '87 to '95 and see what happened after that! Enjoy the wait!
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Jim's Donegal really spanked Dublin that joyful day.
That's fantastic - won nothing.
This thread is about Jim McGuinness and his experience with Donegal GAA, isn't it?
After a bad 2013 , they won Ulster that year and reached the AI final beating Dublin well in the SF.
Not too shabby a year for Jim.
In Dublin we just tend to look at the number of All irelands. I appreciate it's hard to put that in context to someone from Monaghan
Who's we? are you permanently deluded? Speak for yourself Indiana, it may be hard for you to credit but the drone like monotonous mantra of 'donegal won nothing in 2014' ' won nothing' in the context of reviewing McGuinness' input as county manager for that period, has a unique Squealer (the pig) standard of persuasion about it.
The debate level of a couple of old deranged, no-nothing inebriated wasters with wart riddled noses, incapable of further words on the matter.
I might be mistake though.
Your last paragraph is rubbish . I'm exceptionally handsome still .
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/jim-mcguinness-named-head-coach-of-north-carolina-soccer-team-1.3723552
Jim McGuinness named head coach of North Carolina soccer team
Former Donegal GAA manager signs three-year deal with second-tier Charlotte Independence
Keith Duggan
The former Donegal senior football team manager Jim McGuinness has been appointed as head coach of the Charlotte Independence of the United Soccer League on a three-year contract.
He will take over the North Carolina club with immediate effect, ahead of the 2019 USL season. The appointment completes a unique conversion from coaching Gaelic football to soccer which began during McGuinness's startling 2012 achievement when he coached his native county to its second ever All-Ireland title.
Six weeks after that success, he was offered a position as performance consultant at Glasgow Celtic when Neil Lennon was in charge at the club and he subsequently coached Celtic's U-16, U-19 and U-20 sides. He stepped down from his position as Donegal manager after the All-Ireland final of 2014 and moved to Glasgow on a permanent basis.
In 2017, he joined the coaching staff of Roger Schmidt at Beijing Guoan in the Chinese Super league, gaining further experience there. This role, however, will be McGuinness's first time taking charge of a professional soccer team and represents uncharted territory for a Gaelic games coach.
"That's the challenge that's in front of me," he said on Thursday evening.
"I think I've learned a huge amount and tried to be studious in my application from the very first day I walked into Celtic from my experiences of all the managers I worked under.
"At the same time I was trying to build a picture in my own mind of how I saw the game and of how I would like the game to be whenever I became a manager. The other side of that coin is that if you leave the philosophical side of things out of it: football is about people and life is about people."
Charlotte Independence supporters during a US Open Cup match away to the New England Revolution at Harvard's Soldiers Field Soccer Stadium in 2015. Photograph: Fred Kfoury III/Getty Charlotte Independence supporters during a US Open Cup match away to the New England Revolution at Harvard's Soldiers Field Soccer Stadium in 2015. Photograph: Fred Kfoury III/Getty
The board at the Charlotte Independence were swayed by McGuinness's track record as a coach and his exceptional win-ratio while with Donegal and are convinced he has acquired sufficient knowledge in the world of soccer to help their club progress. McGuinness says he is "proud of and grateful to" the club for placing its faith in him. One of the initial challenges will involved piecing together a back room staff and squad for 2019 season.
You've got to have a clear vision and know what you want to achieve. But it is about getting the best people and that's what I'm going to be focusing on: getting the right people and building the roster, as they say in inverted commas. In terms of the type of player and people you want. And I'm looking forward to that because it's a luxury you don't have in Gaelic football. You have the people in your community and they represent the county. So to be able to target players... I am looking forward to that."
The Charlotte Independence joined the USL as an expansion team in 2014 and play in the Eastern Conference, which constitutes a 34 -game season. The club has announced plans to move into a new purpose-built stadium in the city ahead of the 2022 season. McGuinness will attend a press conference in Charlotte on Tuesday. His first game in charge will be on March 8th of next year."
Fair play to Jimmy, he's got his head screwed on where the cash is!
In all seriousness - always been a massive fan of McGuinness - coming from a Tyrone man. Bringing Donegal to that All Ireland glory (probably should have been 2 to be honest) was unthinkable when he first took the job. Not only that he managed to completely dominate Tyrone, who at the time were the one's swinging the hammer in that particular rivalry.
Look around your own county at the clubs, he essentially took a Junior Club to Senior Champions. Donegal were horrid - he managed to get everyone to buy into what he demanded, eeked absolutely everything he could and got them over the line. Of course these guys were already good players - but they were a shambles for large parts prior as they've mostly acknowledged.
His book was a bit....petty. It wasn't for me, but I mean most sporting books are self serving I suppose.
Gaelic Football needs more people like McGuinness - people will jump on the style of play but I mean they did what they had, with what they had.
It's only now with the dominance of Dublin do people surely realise what he brought to the table. If every county could unearth a gem like that with a clear vision and style of play wouldn't that be better with some of the eejits in charge now pulling men behind the ball for the sake of it without actually knowing what to do when they get it.
Hope he gets on well. It's hard to eek a living out of Soccer Management even when you've played the game at the highest level. Most be a nightmare to be coming in where Jim is at to get credibility?
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
No flies on Jim, he's fast on the uptake.
"I'm going to be focusing on: getting the right people and building the roster"
Good luck to him.
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 07, 2018, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
I'd say you're right here, that combined with the financial package!! Dundalk have a vacancy at the minute and I'm not sure he would come under consideration for that job but it would have been an interesting prospect.
Has he even got full coaching qualifications yet, I'm not sure that he has.
The logical step would have been for him to take a LOI job at the likes of Finn Harps or Derry City (if qualifications even allow him) and learn the intricacies of professional football in a less pressurised environment. It would take a massive leap of faith to think that he can make a premier league manager but if he can prove himself and given his ties, then he could potentially be a Celtic manager at some stage in the future. However he is quite late coming to the gig and there is no guarantee he will make a success as a professional football manager.
Hope it works out for him though, always good to see a fellow Irishman doing well for himself abroad.
Few people have managed the financial package he is on.
Has it been released somewhere or what sort of money would he be on?
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
Great post Fuzzman. McGuinness is very driven but the state of football isn't down to him alone.
Jim Gavin is no angel either but. there is more to it. There is a thing in politics called a historical block where an idea becomes popular at an elite level and then dominant. I think that is what happened.
It would be great if he could make a success of it. I still don't understand how they only won the one Sam.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 07, 2018, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
I'd say you're right here, that combined with the financial package!! Dundalk have a vacancy at the minute and I'm not sure he would come under consideration for that job but it would have been an interesting prospect.
Has he even got full coaching qualifications yet, I'm not sure that he has.
The logical step would have been for him to take a LOI job at the likes of Finn Harps or Derry City (if qualifications even allow him) and learn the intricacies of professional football in a less pressurised environment. It would take a massive leap of faith to think that he can make a premier league manager but if he can prove himself and given his ties, then he could potentially be a Celtic manager at some stage in the future. However he is quite late coming to the gig and there is no guarantee he will make a success as a professional football manager.
Hope it works out for him though, always good to see a fellow Irishman doing well for himself abroad.
Is this a joke question??
Quote from: Taylor on December 07, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
Few people have managed the financial package he is on.
Has it been released somewhere or what sort of money would he be on?
If it comes anywhere near the finacial package he was on in Beijing then it's winner winner chicken dinner for Jimmy!!
Quote from: JoG2 on December 07, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 07, 2018, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
I'd say you're right here, that combined with the financial package!! Dundalk have a vacancy at the minute and I'm not sure he would come under consideration for that job but it would have been an interesting prospect.
Has he even got full coaching qualifications yet, I'm not sure that he has.
The logical step would have been for him to take a LOI job at the likes of Finn Harps or Derry City (if qualifications even allow him) and learn the intricacies of professional football in a less pressurised environment. It would take a massive leap of faith to think that he can make a premier league manager but if he can prove himself and given his ties, then he could potentially be a Celtic manager at some stage in the future. However he is quite late coming to the gig and there is no guarantee he will make a success as a professional football manager.
Hope it works out for him though, always good to see a fellow Irishman doing well for himself abroad.
Is this a joke question??
No.
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Quote from: JoG2 on December 07, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
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Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
I'd say you're right here, that combined with the financial package!! Dundalk have a vacancy at the minute and I'm not sure he would come under consideration for that job but it would have been an interesting prospect.
Has he even got full coaching qualifications yet, I'm not sure that he has.
The logical step would have been for him to take a LOI job at the likes of Finn Harps or Derry City (if qualifications even allow him) and learn the intricacies of professional football in a less pressurised environment. It would take a massive leap of faith to think that he can make a premier league manager but if he can prove himself and given his ties, then he could potentially be a Celtic manager at some stage in the future. However he is quite late coming to the gig and there is no guarantee he will make a success as a professional football manager.
Hope it works out for him though, always good to see a fellow Irishman doing well for himself abroad.
Is this a joke question??
No.
He had the coaching equivalent of the L plate, the Uefa B level badge
He might have obtained his UEFA A level coaching badge this summer, which is basic requirement for coaching any team, any age, outside the top level.
But most definitely he has not got the uefa pro level license.
Quote from: Main Street on December 07, 2018, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 07, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 07, 2018, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on December 07, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.
i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.
I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.
However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe
I'd say you're right here, that combined with the financial package!! Dundalk have a vacancy at the minute and I'm not sure he would come under consideration for that job but it would have been an interesting prospect.
Has he even got full coaching qualifications yet, I'm not sure that he has.
The logical step would have been for him to take a LOI job at the likes of Finn Harps or Derry City (if qualifications even allow him) and learn the intricacies of professional football in a less pressurised environment. It would take a massive leap of faith to think that he can make a premier league manager but if he can prove himself and given his ties, then he could potentially be a Celtic manager at some stage in the future. However he is quite late coming to the gig and there is no guarantee he will make a success as a professional football manager.
Hope it works out for him though, always good to see a fellow Irishman doing well for himself abroad.
Is this a joke question??
No.
He had the coaching equivalent of the L plate, the Uefa B level badge
He might have obtained his UEFA A level coaching badge this summer, which is basic requirement for coaching any team, any age, outside the top level.
But most definitely he has not got the uefa pro level license.
UEFA A to coach wains? There wouldn't be too many wains getting coached
Wains? Are you Scotish
Fair play to McGuinness. It's a surprise he didn't put forward his name forward for the Dundalk job. They would have good backing with Peak 6.
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Taylor on December 07, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
Few people have managed the financial package he is on.
Has it been released somewhere or what sort of money would he be on?
If it comes anywhere near the finacial package he was on in Beijing then it's winner winner chicken dinner for Jimmy!!
I doubt managing in the second tier of "soccer" in the US is too lucrative
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 07, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
Wains? Are you Scotish
Fair play to McGuinness. It's a surprise he didn't put forward his name forward for the Dundalk job. They would have good backing with Peak 6.
Don't know about anywhere else, but "wains" (should it be spelt "weans"?) was very commonly used in south Donegal where I grew up.
it isn't - USL players are probably making $2,000 to $3,000/month during the season
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 07, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
Wains? Are you Scotish
Fair play to McGuinness. It's a surprise he didn't put forward his name forward for the Dundalk job. They would have good backing with Peak 6.
Quote from: Minder on December 07, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 07, 2018, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: Taylor on December 07, 2018, 01:53:30 PM
Few people have managed the financial package he is on.
Has it been released somewhere or what sort of money would he be on?
If it comes anywhere near the finacial package he was on in Beijing then it's winner winner chicken dinner for Jimmy!!
I doubt managing in the second tier of "soccer" in the US is too lucrative
He can probably do the groundsman duties as well and pick up an extra few dollars. I'd say the motivational speech circuit is choc a block in the USA
Last year the Charlotte Independence's 18 home games had a total attendance of 29,858 or an average attendance per game of 1,659.
According to their website, season ticket prices start from €153.
I really can't see being head coach of this team as anything anyone would describe as lucrative.
(https://cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/news_article/6f64-115154525/McGuinness1.jpg)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2018, 04:15:30 PM
it isn't - USL players are probably making $2,000 to $3,000/month during the season
Thanks Gabe.
So players earn that.
Why are people posting it is very lucrative what a manger earns??
Quote from: Taylor on December 07, 2018, 10:07:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2018, 04:15:30 PM
it isn't - USL players are probably making $2,000 to $3,000/month during the season
Thanks Gabe.
So players earn that.
Why are people posting it is very lucrative what a manger earns??
If he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2018, 01:20:20 PMIf he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Steady on there
Do you know who this is? He's an Irishman who has been a USL coach for 4 years now - who has won the USL Championship for the last 2 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpCcT70J/1.jpg)
Jez, McGuinness has taken over a club that is 4 years old, has attendances that would look average in either of the Irish Leagues and ply their trade in the second tier of USA Soccer.
True he has to start somewhere, but he has a long journey still ahead of him. He is nearly 50 years old and I'd say there is a lot of work involved.
I wish him well. But GAA people can lose the run of themselves when it comes to one of their own.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 08, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2018, 01:20:20 PMIf he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Steady on there
Do you know who this is? He's an Irishman who has been a USL coach for 4 years now - who has won the USL Championship for the last 2 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpCcT70J/1.jpg)
He has won it once as manager.
He is starting low so the only way is up.Failure and his chances of going to a higher level will disappear.
He has a head start on a lot of successful managers. Mourhino, Sarri, Wenger? At least McGuiness has played and managed his sport at the highest level. Won't make him any more or less successful but he has, I think, all the attributes to be a top soccer coach.
Good luck to Jimmy but boy are some of you lot getting carried away. This is a low level of soccer so he's certainly starting at basement level. I'd heard he was in for a few low level jobs in Scottish lower leagues but didn't get them. USA have more of a record at taking a punt on left field managers so this was probably his only route to a job. Hope it works for him but people need to be realistic.
Would he not make as much going into the Mayo job etc, along with other menu stuff, or even joining the dubs back room team.
That's what I would have thought - manage in Ireland, work with Sky and write a weekly article. Money is probably not the issue though.
I think though that he's commited to soccer on a full time basis and he wants to follow that through - to work with players on a daily basis. This is how the soccer helps. He is a very driven individual and to move to China and America is a big decision with family involved etc. Fair play to him.
I hope it works out and he gets what he wants out of it. I wish him well and I'd hope to see him back nearer home managing a soccer team!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 08, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2018, 01:20:20 PMIf he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Steady on there
Do you know who this is? He's an Irishman who has been a USL coach for 4 years now - who has won the USL Championship for the last 2 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpCcT70J/1.jpg)
Nobody has a clue who he is - that's the point.
This is the United States - its not essential that you actually are the best at what you do as long as you have some sort of personality / PR / selling point.
Quote from: ned on December 08, 2018, 10:29:14 PM
He has a head start on a lot of successful managers. Mourhino, Sarri, Wenger? At least McGuiness has played and managed his sport at the highest level. Won't make him any more or less successful but he has, I think, all the attributes to be a top soccer coach.
There are a line of much more experienced people who have played at a decent level or higher that are queuing up for decent Managerial jobs. He is no more ahead of most of them. If anything he is behind them.
As I said - I hope it works out. I expect him to have a fair rattle at it.
Agreed. Would love to see him doing well, coming back and taking forest to the prem.
He'll need all the luck he can get. A lot of hot air been spoken here . There is no good soccer club in the world going to take a punt on an unproven manager with no track record where the stakes are so high .
I suspect he'd have been far better off taking an Irish Soccer Club.
Quote from: Joe Mc Nallys Ballsack on December 09, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
He'll need all the luck he can get. A lot of hot air been spoken here . There is no good soccer club in the world going to take a punt on an unproven manager with no track record where the stakes are so high .
I suspect he'd have been far better off taking an Irish Soccer Club.
Agree with this. I suspect his ego would not allow him seek a job in Ireland, realisticly would he even be offered one?
USA allows him try things out without any scrutiny. It's some upheaval for a young family too. He's putting all his chips on red!
Quote from: Joe Mc Nallys Ballsack on December 09, 2018, 09:37:47 PM
He'll need all the luck he can get. A lot of hot air been spoken here . There is no good soccer club in the world going to take a punt on an unproven manager with no track record where the stakes are so high .
I suspect he'd have been far better off taking an Irish Soccer Club.
Of course he wasn't getting a "top" job. We all have to start somewhere in our careers. Soccer managers the world over have worked their way up the ladder. Go take a look at Martin O'Neill's path in management or Brendan Rodgers' or Alex Ferguson's. JMG will be a success or not due to his ability, not because he picked an Irish or British club instead of going to the States. He does not have the profile (yet) in soccer to do like Lampard or Gerrard or other top players before, to be able to walk into a bigger job, but that does not mean he will be any less
Successful long term.
He has to start somewhere and fair play to him.
Wish him all the look in the world and hope he is a success.
But this is a risk and doesnt seem to be as lucrative as some posters seem to think.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 09, 2018, 02:17:25 PMThis is the United States - its not essential that you actually are the best at what you do as long as you have some sort of personality / PR / selling point.
And Jimmy's is what?
Quote from: ned on December 08, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 08, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2018, 01:20:20 PMIf he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Steady on there
Do you know who this is? He's an Irishman who has been a USL coach for 4 years now - who has won the USL Championship for the last 2 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpCcT70J/1.jpg)
He has won it once as manager.
James O'Connor?
Yeah - I see he's up at the MLS level now with Orlando
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 09, 2018, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 08, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on December 08, 2018, 01:20:20 PMIf he hits in the USA - the financial gain long term will be enormous and it wouldn't be completely mad (if successful) to see an Irishman manage the USA National Soccer team, if he made a name for himself in the MLS2 or whatever this outfit league is called, it's not beyond realm of possibility he'll be at the MLS sooner than many think.
Jimmy has the head screwed on, Derry City/Dundalk....all these teams will always be there. He makes it in the USA he's set for life.
Steady on there
Do you know who this is? He's an Irishman who has been a USL coach for 4 years now - who has won the USL Championship for the last 2 years.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpCcT70J/1.jpg)
Nobody has a clue who he is - that's the point.
This is the United States - its not essential that you actually are the best at what you do as long as you have some sort of personality / PR / selling point.
::)
Will Jim have Maxi Curran as his no 2?
Got a bit curious as to how Jimmy was getting on in the US and the answer so far is fairly poorly.
There's been 8 games played so far and Charlotte Independence's record is played 8 won 1 drew 2 and lost 5. GD is -7
Unsurprisingly with that sort of form they are down the bottom of the table (the good news is there is no relegation from this league) with only 2 teams below them.
The bottom team have lost all 8 of their games and the second bottom team have played 2 games less than Jimmy's lads.
The good news for Jimmy is that the Charlotte's next game is against the team that have lost all 8 games.
It's an 18 team division (there's an eastern and western division and 36 teams in the league in all), so 34 games in total (unless they make the play-offs) so you'd imagine McGuinness would need to start getting some sort of results or his position will come under pressure before too long.
He'll be back in Fermanagh as Rory Gallagher's assistant before we know it.
Charlotte Independence had a good draw away to second placed Tampa Bay Rowdies who are second in the league at the weekend.
Jimmy really stuggling.
12 league games and 1 cup game played so far this season and only 1 win in those 13 games.
The loss in the cup was against a side from the 5th tier of football in the US.
Kildare job will be available soon.
1 win in 13 games? Jimmy will be back in Donegal before you know it.
Heard reliably from a man who knows his soccer that the US league Jimmy is operating in is no better than league of Ireland. Teams opt out and opt in each year and there's no relegation. Now how could you take a league like that seriously!!
Jimmy's Losing Matches?
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
Jimmy's Losing Matches?
Jimmy's Losing games!
Jimmy will be soon bringing the family back to Donegal again!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 27, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
Jimmy's Losing Matches?
Jimmy's Losing games!
Jimmy will be soon bringing the family back to Donegal again!
Up Donegal!
Back with a million in his back pocket no doser Jim.
Sacked!!!!
Jimmy's losing matches!
He was probaly over ambitious trying to be a Manager in America. He said on Off the Ball before he started his job, that he'd like to progress and manage in the MLS.
He had the chance to manage in the LOI, which was surprising he didn't take. A different culture over in America, and players he isn't familiar with, in the lower leagues of America..
Didn't expect his time to come to an end like this, had expected a lot more. But it's a different game.
Suspect we might not have him back in a GAA capacity on the back of this news though - LOI beckons.
I suspect that LOI clubs would not be able to afford what Jimmy might be looking for and in all reality he has achieved nothing in soccer that would justify them taking a punt on him. The Tyrone job might be available next year and that would be a good fit for him.
Sacked 6 months into a 3 year contract.
I'd be happy enough
$$$$$$
Did McGuinness play any soccer ball? I don't recall him doing so.
If not, wouldn't it be tough to manage a team in s sport you've not been immersed in all your life? I'd have thought so anyway like.
Finn Harps be the ideal job for him.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 12, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Did McGuinness play any soccer ball? I don't recall him doing so.
If not, wouldn't it be tough to manage a team in s sport you've not been immersed in all your life? I'd have thought so anyway like.
He's played it, but not to any level that his GAA got to.
Quote from: skeog on June 12, 2019, 04:53:38 PM
Finn Harps be the ideal job for him.
Swilly Rovers I hear are looking for a manager in an attempt to rebuild
Quote from: skeog on May 27, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Back with a million in his back pocket no doser Jim.
Quote from: toby47 on June 12, 2019, 04:33:22 PM
Sacked 6 months into a 3 year contract.
I'd be happy enough
$$$$$$
Anyone who thinks McGuinness was on anything more than very average money is utterly deluded.
While he probably got some sort of contract termination pay-off, there's no way he got the full 3 years of his contract paid after being fired with his record in competitive games was 1 win in 15.
According to this, the average attendance for Charlotte home games this year is 1,659.
https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019-usl-championship-attendance/
There's no way in hell that a rookie manager for a team with those sort of numbers was making any sort of massive money.
As to what the future holds, I do remember seeing some stats a few years back about the number of one-and-done professional managers in the English divisions and I remember being shocked at how high it was in the lower divisions. Basically lads who were given a shot at management, failed and never managed professionally again. As such I would say that McGuinness's chances of another professional job are slim enough - the one thing in his favour, is that failing so hard happened in the US which is a little out of the spot-light.
Also it's interesting to note that last year Charlotte, won 10 league games and 15 league games the year before (there was 16 teams in the league last year and 15 the year before) which makes Jim's performance look even worse.
Jim will always be a legend in Donegal for what he achieved. But can you imagine Stephen Kenny managing a GAA team and expecting him to be a success based on his exploits with Dundalk? They are different sports with different skill sets. The psychology of both games are different.
Charlotte looked to be a safe level for McGuinness to branch out on his own as a Manager. But it looks like he bit off more than he could chew.
Didn't Brolly once state that McGuinness would make a top soccer manager? Almost certain he did.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 07:44:35 PM
Jim will always be a legend in Donegal for what he achieved. But can you imagine Stephen Kenny managing a GAA team and expecting him to be a success based on his exploits with Dundalk? They are different sports with different skill sets. The psychology of both games are different.
Charlotte looked to be a safe level for McGuinness to branch out on his own as a Manager. But it looks like he bit off more than he could chew.
The main difference is money
Michael Murphy and the McGees played for Jim in Donegal but in soccer they would not have been with Charlotte. They would have been with the richest club as all stars .
He probably had players at the wrong level in addition to whatever else went wrong
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 07:44:35 PM
Jim will always be a legend in Donegal for what he achieved. But can you imagine Stephen Kenny managing a GAA team and expecting him to be a success based on his exploits with Dundalk? They are different sports with different skill sets. The psychology of both games are different.
Charlotte looked to be a safe level for McGuinness to branch out on his own as a Manager. But it looks like he bit off more than he could chew.
The main difference is money
Michael Murphy and the McGees played for Jim in Donegal but in soccer they would not have been with Charlotte. They would have been with the richest club as all stars .
He probably had players at the wrong level in addition to whatever else went wrong
I'd presume that the other teams in the Division did not have much money or All Star players either. The Independence lost 5-4 on penalty kicks to lower-tier UPSL side Florida Soccer Soldiers in Open Cup. I presume they had even less money and All Star players.
The USL is a joke league. No relegation with small passive crowds. There would be more passion, money and crowds in League of Ireland.
I'd guess Jimmy thought it would be ideal to cut his teeth there rather than here. He'll be back managing GAA teams soon enough I'd say.
More likely back in the sports psychology stuff I'd imagine.
Quote from: seafoid on June 12, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 07:44:35 PM
Jim will always be a legend in Donegal for what he achieved. But can you imagine Stephen Kenny managing a GAA team and expecting him to be a success based on his exploits with Dundalk? They are different sports with different skill sets. The psychology of both games are different.
Charlotte looked to be a safe level for McGuinness to branch out on his own as a Manager. But it looks like he bit off more than he could chew.
The main difference is money
Michael Murphy and the McGees played for Jim in Donegal but in soccer they would not have been with Charlotte. They would have been with the richest club as all stars .
He probably had players at the wrong level in addition to whatever else went wrong
He had the only ever USLC player called up to the USA squad playing along with loan signings from Celtic. Not sure he could ask for much more at that level.
Quote from: ck on June 13, 2019, 02:11:24 PM
The USL is a joke league. No relegation with small passive crowds. There would be more passion, money and crowds in League of Ireland.
I'd guess Jimmy thought it would be ideal to cut his teeth there rather than here. He'll be back managing GAA teams soon enough I'd say.
Let's hope not. The game's bad enough thanks to him.
Fair play Jimmy. You gave it a rattle.
Quote from: laceer on June 13, 2019, 09:07:54 PM
Fair play Jimmy. You gave it a rattle.
Exactly. Fair play to him for trying something different. Too many begrudgers in Ireland waithing for him to fail. Typical Irish mentality.
He had the fortitude to go to Glasgow, China and then America to try something new. I applaud that. Didn't wotrk out, so what.
Everyday's a school day.
Best of luck for the future in whatever he tries.
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2019, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: laceer on June 13, 2019, 09:07:54 PM
Fair play Jimmy. You gave it a rattle.
Exactly. Fair play to him for trying something different. Too many begrudgers in Ireland waithing for him to fail. Typical Irish mentality.
He had the fortitude to go to Glasgow, China and then America to try something new. I applaud that. Didn't wotrk out, so what.
Everyday's a school day.
Best of luck for the future in whatever he tries.
Where are the begrudgers? Who is waiting for him to fail? I don't know anyone who is delighted that he has failed... and yeah so what if it has is right! Fair play to him for giving it a lash. He has balls I'll give him that.
Quote from: marty34 on June 13, 2019, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: laceer on June 13, 2019, 09:07:54 PM
Fair play Jimmy. You gave it a rattle.
Exactly. Fair play to him for trying something different. Too many begrudgers in Ireland waithing for him to fail. Typical Irish mentality.
He had the fortitude to go to Glasgow, China and then America to try something new. I applaud that. Didn't wotrk out, so what.
Everyday's a school day.
Best of luck for the future in whatever he tries.
For Jimmy literally every day was a school day.
Charlotte Independence won their first game without Jimmy yesterday 4-0 beating Birmingham Legion!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:25:37 PM
Charlotte Independence won their first game without Jimmy yesterday 4-0 beating Birmingham Legion!
Since Jim was sacked Charlotte have played 6 games won 4 and drew 2.
That sort of turnaround in performance surely lengthens the odds of him getting another managerial gig.
Was there a language barrier?
Fairly obivious he lost the dressing room, considering his personality and management style it's hardly surprising
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 14, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:25:37 PM
Charlotte Independence won their first game without Jimmy yesterday 4-0 beating Birmingham Legion!
Since Jim was sacked Charlotte have played 6 games won 4 and drew 2.
That sort of turnaround in performance surely lengthens the odds of him getting another managerial gig.
That is a serious turnaround alright. To be so consistently poor and then suddenly consistently good certainly suggests things weren't well under Jimmy. I'm sure he'll use it to learn and move on. Would league of Ireland clubs be up to take him on now or would he be seen as too big a risk? Irish lads might be more receptive.
Quote from: ck on July 16, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 14, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 17, 2019, 02:25:37 PM
Charlotte Independence won their first game without Jimmy yesterday 4-0 beating Birmingham Legion!
Since Jim was sacked Charlotte have played 6 games won 4 and drew 2.
That sort of turnaround in performance surely lengthens the odds of him getting another managerial gig.
That is a serious turnaround alright. To be so consistently poor and then suddenly consistently good certainly suggests things weren't well under Jimmy. I'm sure he'll use it to learn and move on. Would league of Ireland clubs be up to take him on now or would he be seen as too big a risk? Irish lads might be more receptive.
From a pure football perspective it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a LOI team to appoint him. But the interest it would create would be massive (in Irish club soccer terms anyway). If done properly they could get a sponsor to cover a lot of his costs given the extra exposure his appointment would create. I would say TV viewing figures for the first Friday night live game that features a team managed by McGuinness would be double or treble or more the usual viewing figures.
Still highly doubt it would happen. While of course there are quite a few fans who follow both LOI and GAA, there's a significant element of Dublin based LOI people who hate the GAA and would lobby hard against appointing a GAA name like McGuinness for fear he might be successful.
Serious Question - would LOI pay more than county management?
In a way Donegal in the early noughties was the perfect storm for him.
Talented group of underachievers who needed a solid direction with a hardass methodology to get them on board. The fact that he was one of their own also helped their buy in
Would say he would struggle with another county let alone another country and sport.
I would say he would struggle counting his loot for his travels.
Serious Question - Would a LOI club go for a Rookie Manager with his limited playing and coaching experience. There are bound to be a queue of better qualified and more experienced personnel in the LOI? What does he know about the LOI?
He'll end up back at Celtic with Neil Lennon.
Quote from: square_ball on July 16, 2019, 09:58:15 PM
He'll end up back at Celtic with Neil Lennon.
Probably will end up in some minor role, which is probably his level in Association Football.
No shame on that.
He might be happier as a corporate adviser or some kind of teacher
Soccer is a brutal business
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2019, 10:43:16 PM
He might be happier as a corporate adviser or some kind of teacher
Soccer is a brutal business
That is why the rewards are good if you are good!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2019, 09:07:21 PM
Serious Question - Would a LOI club go for a Rookie Manager with his limited playing and coaching experience. There are bound to be a queue of better qualified and more experienced personnel in the LOI? What does he know about the LOI?
The idea of a LOI club taking on a GAA man as a manager is hilarious. A serious no-no. Serious hard-core soccer folk hate the GAA. I would suspect they neither know or care much about Jimmy McGuinness. They idea a league of Ireland club would have anything to do with him is daft imo.
Quote from: skeog on July 16, 2019, 06:23:09 PM
I would say he would struggle counting his loot for his travels.
Be doing well if he covered the cost of his living and relocation expenses I'd imagine.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2019, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2019, 10:43:16 PM
He might be happier as a corporate adviser or some kind of teacher
Soccer is a brutal business
That is why the rewards are good if you are good!
Yeah. But even if you are good you have a high chance of failure.
McGuinness has a family. At some point the dream has to start
producing returns . Other avenues are probably more promising.
If Mayo have any sense they'll have an unformal chat. McGuinness would be all over that job I'd say.
I'm not into soccer at all so that's interesting that LOI lads would reject a perceived GAA man.
Given his record in USA I doubt if anyone will take another punt on him, cos it would be seen as a punt. Back at Celtic is a more likely move but he'll possibly need to move away from the notion of coaching. Either that or come back into the GAA world, although that's not exactly a secure way to get a wage, him with a big family etc
Also he would have to think his new team would be prepared to work as hard as he expects/demands.
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 16, 2019, 09:07:21 PM
Serious Question - Would a LOI club go for a Rookie Manager with his limited playing and coaching experience. There are bound to be a queue of better qualified and more experienced personnel in the LOI? What does he know about the LOI?
The idea of a LOI club taking on a GAA man as a manager is hilarious. A serious no-no. Serious hard-core soccer folk hate the GAA. I would suspect they neither know or care much about Jimmy McGuinness. They idea a league of Ireland club would have anything to do with him is daft imo.
Didnt Philly McMahon work as Shamrock Rovers fitness coach for a few years? And they have a gripe.
I think simply his lack of experience rather than a grand conspiracy is the issue.
Lots of opportunities around gaa for him back to sky sports ,writing columns, podcasts and I'm sure even a well heeled club team would pay well for his services while he waits to get back into inter county management. The gaa could definitely use him to promote football in weaker counties and coming up with some strategies to do so.
Quote from: ck on July 17, 2019, 01:44:40 PM
I'm not into soccer at all so that's interesting that LOI lads would reject a perceived GAA man.
Its absolute nonsense. One win in 15 in the US part time second tier is why no LoI club is interested, not an anti GAA bias. Nothing stopping him taking a job as Finn Harps u16 coach and building up, he is not a manager of a professional side yet.
I think people overstate how impressive assistant manager of Celtics U20 side is.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 17, 2019, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: ck on July 17, 2019, 01:44:40 PM
I'm not into soccer at all so that's interesting that LOI lads would reject a perceived GAA man.
Its absolute nonsense. One win in 15 in the US part time second tier is why no LoI club is interested, not an anti GAA bias. Nothing stopping him taking a job as Finn Harps u16 coach and building up, he is not a manager of a professional side yet.
I think people overstate how impressive assistant manager of Celtics U20 side is.
Especially in Donegal where everyone is into and plays both sports anyway and you come against (or at least used to!) county senior players in the Donegal soccer leagues all the time.
There was interest from Galway United before he opted to go to the States. His stint in the US will have damaged his chances of another managerial job for now.. He could still be an assistant somewhere in the future . Roger Schmidt was impressed enough to bring him to China. He impressed Lennon at Celtic.
I also fail to see how mcguinness has proven himself enough in any form of soccer to be in significant demand...
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
I also fail to see how mcguinness has proven himself enough in any form of soccer to be in significant demand...
If talking shite is a prerequisite then Jimmy will go toe to toe with most. Fake it til ye make it Jimmy.
The thing about mcguinness is that he's "marmite", you love him or hate him - if he can get the players to buy in, he's successful but if he can't, then it's a car crash. His success in management will come down to how good he is at getting players to buy in
Quote from: tiempo on July 17, 2019, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 17, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
I also fail to see how mcguinness has proven himself enough in any form of soccer to be in significant demand...
If talking shite is a prerequisite then Jimmy will go toe to toe with most. Fake it til ye make it Jimmy.
no surprise that good old fashioned begrudgery is alive and well
Agreed, never really understood how he landed a manager role in soccer given his lack of experience in the soccer world.
The only transferable skills he would have had would have been as a mental performance coach or fitness coach, which I'm sure he is good at, being a manager in professional sport different ball game I would think.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 18, 2019, 10:14:36 AM
Agreed, never really understood how he landed a manager role in soccer given his lack of experience in the soccer world.
The only transferable skills he would have had would have been as a mental performance coach or fitness coach, which I'm sure he is good at, being a manager in professional sport different ball game I would think.
Did he not start at Celtic as a performance analyst and move into youth coaching? Then to China as an assistant manager and to a smaller club as manager. Have I that right?
Think that's the path he has taken as far as I'm aware yea, but I think he went from Celtic performance coach to Charlotte manager in a short space of time, considering his lack of involvement in soccer prior to that (as far as I'm aware).
You can understand how the likes of ex pro's like Gerrard and Lampard land their first jobs in management relatively fast, as they have been involved in the game at all levels for 20+ years, but boggles the mind on how Jim got a managers job in the first place.
Worth a punt on him I suppose.
He has his UEFA A License so has every right to go for these jobs and impress at interview.
There isn't a lot transferrable to be honest in terms of what he did in the amateur parochial environment of GAA to the wider professional sporting arena. If he was good enough at Celtic they'd have kept him/promoted him, I'd say they soon got fed up with the jargon and were happy to see him go. I'd go as far to say he wouldn't make a decent job of managing another county outside of his own in GAA, he needs to be seen as a messiah to function in GAA, nowhere else in Ireland is that the case, players would soon get fed up listening to him whine on.
Quote from: tiempo on July 18, 2019, 11:57:38 AM
There isn't a lot transferrable to be honest in terms of what he did in the amateur parochial environment of GAA to the wider professional sporting arena. If he was good enough at Celtic they'd have kept him/promoted him, I'd say they soon got fed up with the jargon and were happy to see him go. I'd go as far to say he wouldn't make a decent job of managing another county outside of his own in GAA, he needs to be seen as a messiah to function in GAA, nowhere else in Ireland is that the case, players would soon get fed up listening to him whine on.
That is a bold statement.
Quote from: tiempo on July 18, 2019, 11:57:38 AM
There isn't a lot transferrable to be honest in terms of what he did in the amateur parochial environment of GAA to the wider professional sporting arena. If he was good enough at Celtic they'd have kept him/promoted him, I'd say they soon got fed up with the jargon and were happy to see him go. I'd go as far to say he wouldn't make a decent job of managing another county outside of his own in GAA, he needs to be seen as a messiah to function in GAA, nowhere else in Ireland is that the case, players would soon get fed up listening to him whine on.
I think this is a bit harsh. I agree that he would have less impact in another county rather than his own but I think he has proven that there's more to him than a "jargon" man. I think you have a point in that Celtic would have kept him if he was any good but remember it was Neil Lennon (personal friend) who brought him in. When Lennon left then Jimmy was possibly vulnerable and had to seek something else.
With Lennon back at Celtic is it plausible or likely that he'll have him back?.. or is he more tarnished now given he has a managerial record as opposed to last time where he was fresh out of GAA success.
McGuinness has spent a lot of time and money getting his qualifications and work experience. Can hardly see him ditching the soccer to go back to the GAA after the first setback he encounters. Would seem an odd move.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 18, 2019, 11:35:42 AM
He has his UEFA A License so has every right to go for these jobs and impress at interview.
...against ex pros and experienced managers with a track record who know the league and have Pro licences...
Nobody is saying he is unemployable. Put another way, I think Stephen Kenny could do a job as a Gaelic Football manager. But he aint getting a county team first job in.
Saw a stat somewhere (was it mentioned on this thread?) about one-and-done professional soccer managers. A significant number get one chance, it doesn't work out and they never manage again. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with Jim.