Man Utd Thread:

[Blowitupref]

Ten Hag had had enough time. Not good enough.

I would tend to agree. I don't see any improvement at all. Had a good cup run last season. But got the luck of the draw all home games. And Chelsea spurs and Liverpool were dreadful in the league so top 4 wasn't really much of an achievement. He is running out of time. 13 defeats so far this season. Hard to see a way back for him with those players. No manager will succeed with that squad.

Injuries has played it's part this season but I think looking back now finishing 3rd last season and reaching two cup finals was overachievement with that squad.  Chelsea after 18 games are now 3 points worse off this season under Pochettino, Spurs have only slightly improved points wise.  Liverpool interesting had 28 points after 18 games last season the same as Man United currently have.

[Deerstalker]

Ten Hag had had enough time. Not good enough.

I would tend to agree. I don't see any improvement at all. Had a good cup run last season. But got the luck of the draw all home games. And Chelsea spurs and Liverpool were dreadful in the league so top 4 wasn't really much of an achievement. He is running out of time. 13 defeats so far this season. Hard to see a way back for him with those players. No manager will succeed with that squad.

Injuries has played it's part this season but I think looking back now finishing 3rd last season and reaching two cup finals was overachievement with that squad.  Chelsea after 18 games are now 3 points worse off this season under Pochettino, Spurs have only slightly improved points wise.  Liverpool interesting had 28 points after 18 games last season the same as Man United currently have.

Yeah and finished outside the top 4. You can talk all you want about other teams but the number of defeats, across the competitions is off the charts for United.

[Nanderson]

If and its a big IF united do pull the trigger on a Ten Hag replacement soon, I could see them doing very well in 2nd half of the season. There's a lot of injuries due to clear up in January which will massively help with squad depth and United obviously don't have midweek/thursday night european football to contend with

[Blowitupref]

Yeah and finished outside the top 4. You can talk all you want about other teams but the number of defeats, across the competitions is off the charts for United.

Finished the season in 5th something Man United would gladly take right now. 5th with the expanded Champions league could be enough for qualification. Defeats off the charts would be a lot to do will not drawing many games, wasn't last weekend the first league draw for 20 plus games?

[gawa316]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

[Armagh18]

See something announced there today.

[Nanderson]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

Announced today. 25% takeover and full control of all mens, womens and academy teams. Its a step in the right direction

[Armagh18]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

Announced today. 25% takeover and full control of all mens, womens and academy teams. Its a step in the right direction

Not if he brings in Graham Potter!

[Hound]

Ratcliffe personally buying 25% of the company
It seems Glazers get  a billion in their pockets for Christmas while United keep the billion of debt
Football responsibility delegated to Ineos- will be interesting to see that contract. I'd say Glazers retaining 75% control means they could in theory remove Ineos, but there'd be no point in that
Ratcliffe to invest a further $300m directly into the club, which will be used for infrastructure. He will receive more shares for this investment.

[Deerstalker]

Is Dave "marginal gains" Brailsford going to have them on the PEDs? INEOS have been running Nice in Ligue 1 in France for a few years now, not exactly a roaring success.

Be interesting to see how it goes 

[Cunny Funt]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

Announced today. 25% takeover and full control of all mens, womens and academy teams. Its a step in the right direction

A deal in place for some time and announcing it on Christmas eve after another defeat is typical of the Glazers PR.

Remains to be seen what difference it makes. Having someone else run the football operations that aren't as clueless as the Glazers business men buddies is a step in the right direction but the use of revenue generated by the club, investment into the club and the management of debt remain issues that directly impact football operations. Without full control of the club, INEOS will to some degree be operating with their hands tied in terms of football operations. Main question is should one expect a significant change when the club is in Glazer rather than INEOS control?

[gallsman]

Is Dave "marginal gains" Brailsford going to have them on the PEDs? INEOS have been running Nice in Ligue 1 in France for a few years now, not exactly a roaring success.

Be interesting to see how it goes 

Jesus Christ, the Brailsford bluster is actually real.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/24/sir-jim-ratcliffe-manchester-united-stake-announced

Sir Dave Brailsford, the Ineos sporting director, is poised to hold discussions with key United personnel and will make decisions, including about Ten Hag, thereafter. Brailsford will have a prominent role but it is unclear whether he will take over from John Murtough as United's football director.

This is absolutely terrific. I'm away to buy a few months' worth of popcorn

[Nanderson]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

Announced today. 25% takeover and full control of all mens, womens and academy teams. Its a step in the right direction

A deal in place for some time and announcing it on Christmas eve after another defeat is typical of the Glazers PR.

Remains to be seen what difference it makes. Having someone else run the football operations that aren't as clueless as the Glazers business men buddies is a step in the right direction but the use of revenue generated by the club, investment into the club and the management of debt remain issues that directly impact football operations. Without full control of the club, INEOS will to some degree be operating with their hands tied in terms of football operations. Main question is should one expect a significant change when the club is in Glazer rather than INEOS control?

Don't quote me on this but I think i read somewhere that Sir Jim/Ineos can put money into the club and they get voting shares back in return

[Jeepers Creepers]

Second lowest goal scorers in the league level with Luton. Never thought I'd see those sort of stats for a Utd team.

What's the latest on the mini takeover? And what will be achieved by this? Immediate changes, long term plan or both?

Hard to know whether to stick with ETH or not. I would say yes as they can't keep just sacking the manager. Lots of players to come back from injury, whether they are  much better than what they currently have remains to be seen. One thing is though they don't have any forwards to come back who will add goals. Is there money available in Jan? If so they will probably get shafted.

Announced today. 25% takeover and full control of all mens, womens and academy teams. Its a step in the right direction

A deal in place for some time and announcing it on Christmas eve after another defeat is typical of the Glazers PR.

Remains to be seen what difference it makes. Having someone else run the football operations that aren't as clueless as the Glazers business men buddies is a step in the right direction but the use of revenue generated by the club, investment into the club and the management of debt remain issues that directly impact football operations. Without full control of the club, INEOS will to some degree be operating with their hands tied in terms of football operations. Main question is should one expect a significant change when the club is in Glazer rather than INEOS control?

Don't quote me on this but I think i read somewhere that Sir Jim/Ineos can put money into the club and they get voting shares back in return
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Not sure of the nuts and bolts but this is correct

[seafoid]

Man Utd have had 2 world class managers post war, namey Busby and Fergie, with whom they have won leagues and European cups over several years. But outside of those legends the club has been mediocre.The history of the club post Busby features a series of managers who failed, just like now. Frank O'Farrell, Tommy Docherty, Dave Sexton, big Ron . That period of mediocrity lasted almost 2 decades and featured a relegation.  How about now, which is equally shit? Will they get relegated again before things improve ?