You're All British in the North Now!!

Started by screenexile, October 14, 2019, 03:46:17 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Rossfan

I'm sure the Brits could amend their Nationality Act to take the GFA clause into account.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

BennyCake

This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

tiempo

Britain - Union between England and Wales
Great Britain - Union between England Wales and Scotland
UK - GB & 6 counties
Free State - demilitrised zone for quislings

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

marty34

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

Keyser soze

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

Was it not the SDLP that did the heavy lifting for the GFA on the nationalist side?

screenexile

Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Yes the last 25 years of peace have really fucked me off!!  ::) ::)

johnnycool

Quote from: marty34 on October 15, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

British diplomacy in a nutshell it seems.

You think they're giving something away but really they're not.

Hence the reason the EU is big into legally binding text and Boris and Co want well meaning documents which means SFA.

If you pay the £380 odd quid to renounce your british citizenship, do you also need some other Government to offer you their citizenship in parallel as you can't be countryless so to speak (unless you are a jihadi bride) ?

north_antrim_hound

I think if British courts are going to churn out decisions like this and bringing into question the integrity of the GFA then it will speed up a UI referendum, well that's how I feel about this BS.
There's a man with a mullet going mad with a mallet in Millets

BennyCake

Quote from: screenexile on October 15, 2019, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Yes the last 25 years of peace have really fucked me off!!  ::) ::)

Well, there were a few ceasefires before that, so it was leading towards peace. The paramilitaries  and Brits couldn't and didn't want to continue. The game was up. The GFA looked after those in politics connected to the armed struggle, and their cronies. They needed a safety net if they were eventually linked to murders/activity. The GFA guaranteed them that, as did their entry to politics/Stormont.

The De Souza case has shown up the worthlessness of this Irish identity thing in the North. It clearly means nothing. It was a ruse to let people think they are important and their rights/culture etc are being looked after.

The GFA has also help divide this place even more, as people grabbed onto the Irish/British thing, Ulster Scots etc. It's not as if nationalists woke up after the GFA, and thought... I think I'll identify myself as Irish now because the GFA said I could.

On the border poll thing too - I don't believe it will ever happen. It's basically at the Brits' discretion if and when to call for a border poll. If someone or group say, hey Britain it's time for a poll... they'll just say, nah it's not. There's not adequate support for it. Well, how do you know unless you have a poll??? It'll never happen. Then, if SF call for a border poll at any time, it'll be answered with "oh here we go again!". And the more they ask for it, the less the Brits will listen and it will have no value in asking for one.

As I said, duped.

David McKeown

Quote from: johnnycool on October 15, 2019, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: marty34 on October 15, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

British diplomacy in a nutshell it seems.

You think they're giving something away but really they're not.

Hence the reason the EU is big into legally binding text and Boris and Co want well meaning documents which means SFA.

If you pay the £380 odd quid to renounce your british citizenship, do you also need some other Government to offer you their citizenship in parallel as you can't be countryless so to speak (unless you are a jihadi bride) ?

If you apply to renounce your British citizenship you either have to have citizenship from another state or must acquire same within 6 months otherwise your application is rescinded.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

seafoid

I think the long term behaviour of the DUP indicates that NI as a political confection  is doomed.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: marty34 on October 15, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 15, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 15, 2019, 10:24:02 AM
This case reaffirms to me that we were all duped by the GFA.

Well Jesus SF were in there negotiating so hardly surprising, they would not be  known for their high end intellect

I think every party on the nationalist side were in 'negotiating'.

Aye, but SF watered down the IQ count

TheOptimist

just for clarity, people on here seem to think the GFA stops at saying we can idientofy as British, Irish or both so here is the actual wording

Quoterecognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.


johnnycool

Quote from: TheOptimist on October 15, 2019, 01:30:03 PM
just for clarity, people on here seem to think the GFA stops at saying we can idientofy as British, Irish or both so here is the actual wording

Quoterecognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

So, not only can you identify as Irish you are also entitled to Irish citizenship.

Is that not contrary to the De Souza outcomes yesterday?