Teachers get it handy!

[Delgany 2nds]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

[trailer]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

[Tony Baloney]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

I wouldn't be cutting wages but the old boys club for sub teachers is definitely an issue. Pension *and* top dollar for subbing when there are young people with fresh ideas itching to get started.

[Delgany 2nds]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

Older teachers are reluctant to retire due to actuarial reductions of 5% per year from 55 on their pension pot and unacceptable to reduce further and most of the young teachers are in the Middle East, cleaning up in a tax free economy !

[Sportacus]

How about cutting out the bureaucrats in the education authority, department of education and CCMS. And leaving the teachers alone to get on with their job.

[bennydorano]

Teaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Teaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.

Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.

[bennydorano]

Teaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.

Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.

I'd say its an outlier in the NI Public Sector tbh, you can't get away with it in most PS organisations.

[Tony Baloney]

Teaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.

Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.

I'd say its an outlier in the NI Public Sector tbh, you can't get away with it in most PS organisations.

100%. In the modern workplace there is no place for jobs for the boys or if you're face fits because you're "known" to someone influential on a BoG. Handing out taxpayer-funded jobs to your mates is a different beast from somebody who has their own company and doss the same.

[armaghniac]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

[trailer]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

[tonto1888]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

theres not too many teachers produced. There may be a lot of teachers in particular areas but there is a lack in other areas. Why scrap St Marys?

[Delgany 2nds]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

Older teachers are not going to take early retirement in the North as DENI impose a 5% actuarial reduction each year after 55 to a teacher's pension.
Reducing the Employers contribution is not going to happen as a result.
The only alternative is to restart the ' Refreshing the workforce ' scheme which did not apply the reduction to pensions.

Significant numbers of young teachers are in the Middle East, enjoying the benefits of a tax free economy, so there are vacancies North & South in specialist subject teaching and getting a sub is difficult.

[Saffrongael]

Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen

For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

Older teachers are not going to take early retirement in North as DENI impose a 5% actuarial reduction each year after 55 to a teacher's pension.
Reducing the Employers contribution is not going to happen as a result.
The only alternative is to restart the ' Refreshing the workforce ' scheme which dud not apply the reduction to pensions

Significant numbers of young teachers are in the Middle East, enjoying the benefits if a tax free economy, so there are vacancies North & South in specialist subject teaching and getting a sub is difficult.

That's not exclusive to teachers though that reduction is it ? It's the case for any public sector pension, you don't expect the full pension at 55, do you ?

[Milltown Row2]

I would say my wife would take a 'deal' and leave teaching at 55 if something was available that didn't impact her too much further down the line..

She loves teaching but not all the crap that comes with it, in her 27 odd years of teaching its getting worse year on year, the 'benefits' of summer months and 'big' pensions is getting less and less of a reason to become a teacher, as the summer months are getting shorter and the pensions are getting less

She'd never recommend it as a job to get into