Teachers get it handy!

[trueblue1234]

P7 teacher put Pretty Woman on for us back in the day.

We had the original Predator. Don't think the teacher knew what it was. Just left us to it.

[armaghniac]

This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

Teachers can do a lot of good, while not not being able to fully overcome the effect of negligent parents.

P7 teacher put Pretty Woman on for us back in the day.

We had the original Predator. Don't think the teacher knew what it was. Just left us to it.

There wasn't as much awareness of predators in those days.

[JimStynes]

Every A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.

This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

[LC]

Every A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.

This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Spot on.

Those who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.

[Armagh18]

Every A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.

This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Spot on.

Those who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.

Sounds harsh and you'll probably get abuse for stereotyping but it's 100% true in my experience.

[armaghniac]

Those who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.

In a variation on this theme, in urban areas there are gathered together people who are raised with a sense of entitlement in dysfunctional districts who expect other people to fund their lifestyle.

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7McafOeUyxc

[JimStynes]

Entitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

[LC]

Entitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

The thing that annoys me is that people who purport most to be working class are actually those who are most averse to actually doing an honest days work.

[Tony Baloney]

Can we not just agree that there are great, terrible and decent people in every class.

[ONeill]

Every A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.

This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Are you saying children from the country are generally more hardworking and every one of their parents are good hard working? Whatever the hell that means?

[Armagh18]

Entitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

This....

Can we not just agree that there are great, terrible and decent people in every class.

But the working class, the poorest in society are often the easy target.

They're often the ones that aren't actually working as well!

[marty34]

Bit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

[trailer]

Bit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

They get double time.

[Milltown Row2]

Bit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

It's a yearly pay, paid monthly