Teachers get it handy!

[Milltown Row2]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

[Wildweasel74]

On all the years of food inflation, when have you ever seen it go down, doesn't happen!

[trueblue1234]

Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.

Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.

This is part of the problem. A degree shouldn't dictate a good or even average salary. Too many useless degrees being done. (I have a huge bugbear with the level of career advice given in school, it's pathetic across the board). Salary should be dictated by demand of skills. If you do a degree in some random course just to get a ween of years in uni, then you should not be expecting a decent salary when you come out until you earn experience. Courses in demand such as engineers, automation, electronics etc should be rewarded with decent starting salaries. Teaching is one that there is demand for, but also good supply. Starting pay should not be at levels of the above careers imo. That said, I think £24k is decent for a graduate with no experience. I'd be more in favour of rewarding good teachers. But that idea is a big no no!!

[Armagh18]

Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.

Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.

This is part of the problem. A degree shouldn't dictate a good or even average salary. Too many useless degrees being done. (I have a huge bugbear with the level of career advice given in school, it's pathetic across the board). Salary should be dictated by demand of skills. If you do a degree in some random course just to get a ween of years in uni, then you should not be expecting a decent salary when you come out until you earn experience. Courses in demand such as engineers, automation, electronics etc should be rewarded with decent starting salaries. Teaching is one that there is demand for, but also good supply. Starting pay should not be at levels of the above careers imo. That said, I think £24k is decent for a graduate with no experience. I'd be more in favour of rewarding good teachers. But that idea is a big no no!!

Oh absolutely. But teaching is a decent degree not like the wishy washy ones. 24k wouldnt get you too far these days. Maybe 20 years ago it would.

[Deerstalker]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

[Armagh18]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

Actually think it is fairly high. Lot of people go and do a different degree then go to england and do the pgce.

[Deerstalker]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

Actually think it is fairly high. Lot of people go and do a different degree then go to england and do the pgce.

Which is impossible to fail

[seafoid]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

In fairness people are living longer generally.

[Deerstalker]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?

[Milltown Row2]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?

I'm saying someone in the private sector can put in as much money as they want into a private pension.

If for instance someone earns 3 times the annual wage of a teacher they can (if they want) pump money into a private pension and it will match any teacher's pension.

All depends on how much they put in of course..

Public sector jobs are worst paid but get decent benefits at the end, should they stay in for the long haul..

I'd a pension that had different tiers to it when I first started working, there was a final salary pension plan in place, but it was a good chuck of your earnings.

I didn't know anyone who took it in fairness, as they wanted as much to have now, not later.

I'd a mate retired recently, 56, pumped his pension last ten years... he'll not be worried too much going forward

[Sportacus]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.

AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 

[LC]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?

I'm saying someone in the private sector can put in as much money as they want into a private pension.

If for instance someone earns 3 times the annual wage of a teacher they can (if they want) pump money into a private pension and it will match any teacher's pension.

All depends on how much they put in of course..

Public sector jobs are worst paid but get decent benefits at the end, should they stay in for the long haul..

I'd a pension that had different tiers to it when I first started working, there was a final salary pension plan in place, but it was a good chuck of your earnings.

I didn't know anyone who took it in fairness, as they wanted as much to have now, not later.

I'd a mate retired recently, 56, pumped his pension last ten years... he'll not be worried too much going forward

Joined the public sector 5 years ago having been private sector for 20+ years, took a fair bit of a pay cut but between me and her we are able to keep our heads above water.  A big attraction was not only the pension but also relative job security,  stand to be corrected but what I can see in the public sector you have a guaranteed job until the day you decide to retire, you will not find this in the private sector.

[theticklemister]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.

AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 

That's nuts.

We have about 12 students in my school in England at the minute, about 8 of them from Ireland. Like myself, they could t get into university in the north, so they had to come to Liverpool. If they stay here, they will all walk into a job. Back home, not a chance.

Can someone maybe correct me on this...

Is there 30 spaces in Coleraine and 20 in Srandmillis for primary school teaching? I think this was the case about 13 years ago when I tried to get in.

What they want if you back home is mad.

[Tony Baloney]

Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.

I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.

AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 

With those grades woukd you not be better doing a primary degree then a PGCE if that's what you're still interested in. I know a lot of grammars prefer PGCE over a teaching degree for sciences etc.

[seafoid]

Teachers and Gardaí/Police are leaving the profession in droves all over Europe. Salaries are not keeping up with costs. Public sector workers are increasingly frustrated and are turning to the far right in other countries eg France/Germany.