Teachers get it handy!

[Kidder81]

The North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 

Rent has fallen a bit in the last year I think but i'd say it is still up 30% in Belfast since pre Covid. I rented out my 2 bed apartment from 2017 to 2020 for around £600 pm in Belfast. In a desirable area for young professionals. I've since sold it but the same apartment would be £850 pm now.

Teacher pay is a joke, to get no pay increase after the levels of inflation in the last 3 years is crazy. A teacher used to be a prestigious job that could support a whole family. Now a teacher with a young child paying a mortgage and nursery fees would be struggling to make ends meet.

They aren't alone in the public sector there

[statto]

Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

[tbrick18]

How many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?

It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3

Not 100% sure but I think once you hit that upper scale, that's it. No more pay rises.
Only way to get more is to go for a VP or principal role or take on extra responsibilities, but there are only so many of those to go around.
if 38K is the top and that's what you are on, year on year you get a pay cut in real terms with inflation.

[tonto1888]

Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

I started teaching in 2005 in Manchester. My first years salary was just under 20k

[Deerstalker]

How many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?

It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3

Not 100% sure but I think once you hit that upper scale, that's it. No more pay rises.
Only way to get more is to go for a VP or principal role or take on extra responsibilities, but there are only so many of those to go around.
if 38K is the top and that's what you are on, year on year you get a pay cut in real terms with inflation.

No different to anywhere else in the public sector once you hit your max

[tbrick18]

Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

I agree in principle.
However the amount has to be reflective of the true cost of living.
The national living wage is going up to £11.44 an hour in April, and by my rough calculation a new teacher in NI will start on £12.ish per hour. So a professional qualification earns a teacher £1/hr more than someone serving at a till in the local corner shop.
The pay doesn't reflect the job they do.

[tonto1888]

Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

people who join border force right out of uni have a starting salary of 25k. Depending on where they work they get a shift allowance of up to 44% putting them on 36k. Right out of uni. They are enforcing customs and immigration laws. Is that any better?

[Tony Baloney]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

[Armagh18]

Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

[armaghniac]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

[imtommygunn]

Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.

[Armagh18]

Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.

Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.

[Tony Baloney]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.

They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

[seafoid]

Inflation increased many prices by 20%. That is irreversible.

[Milltown Row2]

Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

Teachers pay tax too?