Teachers get it handy!

[tonto1888]

There's an obvious theme here that many feel the job teachers have isn't deserving of the pay as they get too many holidays or have 10 month contracts or have a decent pension.

That's the job, it comes with those holidays and perks. Like many jobs in private sector that come with perks such as pensions, company car, private health care etc.

Yes teachers have a 10 month contract, but they still have bills for 12 months like the rest of us, so their wages are split over 12 months. Not sure why that's an issue as their annual salary hasn't changed. If you want to compare a 10 month contract with a 12 month contract, then take the annual salary of someone on a 12 month contract and compress it to 10 months, the comparison applies then.

The fact remains, the role a teacher provides is a professional one that all children need.

In terms of hours worked...that's so far off the mark you've no idea.

I'd be the first to poke fun at a teacher and the short days and long holidays, but the reality is totally different.

To add insult to injury, teachers doing the same job in other parts of the UK are getting paid more.

It's unsustainable.
Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

the voice of reason

[JoG2]

Think one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?

Employee putting in anywhere from 7.4% to 12%
Employer putting in a whopping 17.7%

Normal pension is 8% total (4% employee, 3% employer 1% Gov)

Nice work if you can get it.

Plus they're Defined Benefit which are impossible to get in the private sector. A guaranteed income for life which increases with inflation each year - "PI is always applied on the first Monday falling on or after 6 April. PI this year will be 10.1%, which will be applied from 6 April 2023."

Nice wee 10% boost to their pensions this year!

We (the taxpayer) should really consider cutting their pay.

The bastids don't pay tax either! Nice work

[seafoid]

Public sector pensions are pay as you go and depend on the ratio of workers to pensioners. People are living longer. France already has a huge problem . I wouldn't guarantee that teachers will get what they expect.

[quit yo jibbajabba]

The day that happens there would be anarchy as police nurses civil servants would be hit the same.

What they are doing is making the contribution levels higher/overall benefit lower for new entrants so the really tasty pensions are already being taken and gradually ones in the pipeline not just as attractive imo

[armaghniac]

Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

[Armagh18]

Jesus that is shocking bad. Time you lose your tax etc its a waste of time

[Deerstalker]

How many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?

[Tony Baloney]

Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.

[Armagh18]

Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.

Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.

[imtommygunn]

Doctors get significantly less here too. Not sure about other health professionals

[Tony Baloney]

Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.

Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.

Aye but you could say that about a lot of occupations over the last 40 years. Loads left but more stayed. The ones that will leave will be newly qualified teachers who can't get a permanent job or even decent subbing as the Heads are employing their retired mates.

[Delgany 2nds]

How many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?

It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3

[Delgany 2nds]

Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.

Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.

Aye but you could say that about a lot of occupations over the last 40 years. Loads left but more stayed. The ones that will leave will be newly qualified teachers who can't get a permanent job or even decent subbing as the Heads are employing their retired mates.

In some circumstances a school can only get a 'retiree' to sub. Most young teachers are booked in or moved to another country.
School finances are buggered.
EA have a £200 million funding gap...£60 million belongs to schools in deficit.
School budgets would need to increase by approx. £400 - £500 per  pupil to break even.
It's alarming ..how much of a shitshow, school finances have become !

[seafoid]

The North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 

[Mario]

The North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 

Rent has fallen a bit in the last year I think but i'd say it is still up 30% in Belfast since pre Covid. I rented out my 2 bed apartment from 2017 to 2020 for around £600 pm in Belfast. In a desirable area for young professionals. I've since sold it but the same apartment would be £850 pm now.

Teacher pay is a joke, to get no pay increase after the levels of inflation in the last 3 years is crazy. A teacher used to be a prestigious job that could support a whole family. Now a teacher with a young child paying a mortgage and nursery fees would be struggling to make ends meet.