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Title: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 20, 2008, 08:49:07 AM
Went down to a friends house last night to watch the Euro game.  Himself and his missus are both teachers.  She finishes work this Wednesday, and he is finshed on Friday.  Seriously, what a life?  The entire summer off. Jammy hoors
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 20, 2008, 08:51:29 AM
If only it were that simple!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seany on June 20, 2008, 09:12:28 AM
Aren't you sick of all those high paid teachers?

Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year!
It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do...baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. I would give them £3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time. That would be a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch).

Each parent should pay £19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now, how many do they teach in a day... maybe 30? So that's 19.50 X 30 = £585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!
I am not going to pay them for any vacations.
Let's see . . that's £585 x 180 = £105,300 per year.
(Hold on! .. My calculator must need batteries!)

What about those special teachers and the ones with Master's degrees?
Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair, £5.52 an hour.
That would be £5.52 times 6.5 hours times 30 children times 180 days = £193,752.00 per year.
Wait a minute, there is something wrong here! .....There sure is, duh!


(Average teacher salary £21,000/180 days = £116.66 per day/30 students = £3.88/ 6.5 hours = £0.59 per hour per student.)

Very inexpensive babysitter, and they even educate your kids!
Crazy, eh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:14:39 AM
30 children a day? Try 100-odd. Although I would query that average teacher's salary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 20, 2008, 09:21:09 AM
Jeez Seany, relax man, its Friday  ;)

I was only envious at the holidays they get.  Over 2 months in the summer, not to mention Easter, Christmas, Halloween, Paddys Day, Bank Holidays and so on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bingobus on June 20, 2008, 09:32:46 AM
Always wish at this time of year that I was a teacher but it some wears off after a training session with the Under 12's  ;D

Its a real perfect career for a GAA player or golf fanatic.

But bless some of them who have to take a career break for a year, travel the world and then walk back into their job!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 20, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
If only they would keep the schools open over the Christmas, Easter, Half Term and July/ August.
We would only be to happy to stay and teach but these decisions are taken out of our hands.

Quote from: bingobus on June 20, 2008, 09:32:46 AM


But bless some of them who have to take a career break for a year, travel the world and then walk back into their job!!

That's a disgrace.  Cannot believe anybody would get away with that  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: heineken_on_tap on June 20, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
I never really minded the holidays that teachers get. However what I always found wrong is that teachers are not assessed - a person who isn't able to teach/control a class can hold on to their job for years without a word been said to them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 20, 2008, 11:13:04 AM
I dont mind the holidays they get. They dont get paid that much anyway.

What bugs me, are those teachers that bleat on about how hard worked they are. The work they have to do at home etc. etc.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: EC Unique on June 20, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
Did you ever hear them on about the stress? Moaning about a job that they work less daily hours than most other professions, get much more holidays than most other proffessions and get over paid at that. Then take a wee while off because of stress ;) It is a joke. Some say 'but they educate our children'. Do they really?  I would suggest that education standards have went down hill steady this last 20 years and continue to do so :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebandit on June 20, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
A young teacher I know was just starting out at the local school this year, they volunteered to do extra-curriculur stuff and added up that they were working 31 hours per week...... and their older colleagues were laughing at them for working so many hours  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 20, 2008, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on June 20, 2008, 08:49:07 AM
Went down to a friends house last night to watch the Euro game.  Himself and his missus are both teachers.  She finishes work this Wednesday, and he is finshed on Friday.  Seriously, what a life?  The entire summer off. Jammy hoors

Its the same in every industry. Some teachers are lazy shites, others care about their vocation. I think most of them deserve the long lay-off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Louth Exile on June 20, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: bingobus on June 20, 2008, 09:32:46 AM
Its a real perfect career for a GAA player

You want to carefull with comments like that, it can be dangerous on here making reference to the fact that a GAA player is also a teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hound on June 20, 2008, 01:20:55 PM
My young lad's teacher for next year is an alcoholic and gambler. All kinds of stories out there about him, mainly revolving around being in the bookies when supposed to teaching. Of course a lot of these could be made up or exaggerated, but seemingly the school can't fire him and I would not be at all surprised to see some of the more militant mothers trying to organise protests!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: loughshore lad on June 20, 2008, 02:04:28 PM
What way do the teachers salaries work, if they have higher degree qualifications like first and masters do they get better paid than their counterparts who have a 2:1, 2:2 etc?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2008, 02:06:51 PM
I admire them. You couldn't pay me any sum that would make trying to teach those little pricks worthwhile. Of course they should obviously be held accountable for job performance like anyone else though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on June 20, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
However what I always found wrong is that teachers are not assessed

Really? How can I find this school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
;)

Yes, I think you're testament to that as a specimen result.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 20, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
ahhh teaching.
the profession (refuge) for the terminally lazy and socially inadequate!
;)

Yes, I think you're testament to that as a specimen result.
naw, I'm too fond of working hard when necessary and making lots of money !
;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on June 20, 2008, 03:20:18 PM
If the people moaning on here about teachers think its so easy - there nobody stopping you packing in your jobs and taking it up!  I worked in "difficult" school in England for a few years and believe me the teachers there need the holidays they get!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 03:21:09 PM
Money very important to you I've gathered over the years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
Honestly, the fear of even grabbing some whippersnapper by the arm is crippling due to the possible consequences. I was told that even pointing a pen at a pupil can constitute abuse and can be taken up. This is only going to get worse. We'll soon have lawyers in at the start of the year telling us what's permissible and what not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerry on June 20, 2008, 08:43:16 PM
bit of a wine up tread this i guess
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armaghtothebone on June 20, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 20, 2008, 11:30:50 AM
Did you ever hear them on about the stress? Moaning about a job that they work less daily hours than most other professions, get much more holidays than most other proffessions and get over paid at that. Then take a wee while off because of stress ;) It is a joke. Some say 'but they educate our children'. Do they really?  I would suggest that education standards have went down hill steady this last 20 years and continue to do so :-\ :-\

I would suggest that anyone who uses the phrase " education standards have went downhil" is 100% correct. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:20:48 PM
Yes, I blame the parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:33:16 PM
More of wemen flasing flesh instead. Never done telling mothers I'm not prepared to do anything to get young Conor an A.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on June 20, 2008, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 20, 2008, 09:30:49 PM
I take it that's a no on the boot up the hole thing then. SS2's and TYP's silence is deafening though.

On to parents.
Have you ever had a parent crack up at you at a PT meeting?

I tried the satire once with you and it went way over your head, so no, a boot up the hole is extremely inappropriate.

Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:33:16 PM
More of wemen flasing flesh instead. Never done telling mothers I'm not prepared to do anything to get young Conor an A.

In fairness young Conor never had a chance of getting an A. Sure didn't they have to keep moving him round didfferent schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
TYP, what does the future hold for the profession - in your view? (serious question)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
Honestly, the fear of even grabbing some whippersnapper by the arm is crippling due to the possible consequences. I was told that even pointing a pen at a pupil can constitute abuse and can be taken up. This is only going to get worse. We'll soon have lawyers in at the start of the year telling us what's permissible and what not.

Where were these rules when I was at school?

(http://images.inmagine.com/img/stockbyte/sd118/186336sdc.jpg)

(http://www.merseyworld.com/jer/psg27black.jpg)

(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/846/949286.JPG)

(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/867/45071881.JPG)

(http://web.mit.edu/atic/www/disabilities/rsi/images/hands2.gif)

(http://www.archivist.f2s.com/cpa/instruments/cane1.JPG)

just a few of what I had to dodge!

The black plimsoles hurt the worst, and they were my own.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on June 20, 2008, 10:07:55 PM
When I was at primary school, one of the teachers wanted to pull me by my ear. I had my hearing-aid, so she chickened out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.

Vodka - ours was lashing the vodka in to her. I spent the most of P7 taking the roll and ordering the dinners. Poor woman.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:11:11 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: fred the red on June 20, 2008, 10:08:39 PM
i once seen a teacher drink a quarter bottle of whiskey at half 9 in the morn. you wouldnt get that these days.

Vodka - ours was lashing the vodka in to her. I spent the most of P7 taking the roll and ordering the dinners. Poor woman.

Yea mine was a woman too, must have been a mid life crisis.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on June 20, 2008, 10:14:58 PM
No Sir,
you did however cut me very deep one day. I had moved on from that - until you asked.
Ill probably be at the therapist most of next week now ;)

Actually in fairness, I only got wacked once at the brothers. Fella looked like Gerry Adams. Smacked me right across the face, outside the old VPs office.

Must have hit him with a snowball or something.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2008, 10:20:26 PM
Should be more of that.

Although eating a whole keyboard might be cruel.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Yes I Would on June 21, 2008, 12:12:07 AM
Old headmaster used to lift the boys by the locks till their feet were 6 inches off the ground. Funny as f**k!! Jeez there some tears spilled in primary school, but sure it done us no harm!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 21, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
Re working at home.I have worked in public and private sectors.I have never seen anyone work as hard as my partner, more hours outside work than in, so the summer hols are well earned.When in work-no problem.However, marking coursework, night after night plus weekend, takes up 40 hours per week. For £20K.
Nothing handy about that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 21, 2008, 12:25:49 AM
We had a particularly cruel man. He's from Swatragh, so that says it all. He would grab your arm and twist it behind your back, and jab you in the opensided ribs with a wooden ruler.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 21, 2008, 12:25:03 AM
Re working at home.I have worked in public and private sectors.I have never seen anyone work as hard as my partner, more hours outside work than in, so the summer hols are well earned.When in work-no problem.However, marking coursework, night after night plus weekend, takes up 40 hours per week. For £20K.
Nothing handy about that.

She'dneed to catch herself on. Probably a slippery pole climber.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 21, 2008, 12:35:02 AM
Anything but.No interest in promotion, never gone for it, never will.In times past,might have been called commitment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2008, 01:04:42 AM
20k?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on June 21, 2008, 11:50:26 AM
Is there nothing else they could be at over the summer like
paint the school, polish the gym floor, scrubbing shitters and the like.
Ah but sure them wee soft girly hands would blister up at the mere sight of a days work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 21, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
The heading of this thread is why I decided to become a teacher (hopefully I will get a job...) Anyway, there are a fair few teachers from the North on here, and I was just wondering are there the equivalents of WSE's in schools in Northern Ireland? If so, what kind of assessment is required?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 22, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
WSE = Whole School Evaluation report?  We have ETI (Education and Training Inspectorate) reports in the North.  They come in  a number of guises.  They can last from three to five days.  The Inspectorate here are pretty mild compared to Ofsted in England.  However with the Every School A Good School paper, if its passed the Inspectors will get more teeth.  Already they are grading schools on a 1 to 6 scale.  Anything below 4 and serious pressure results.
Schools in the North currently have 73 different initiatives to implement.  They have become the spine of society as some other groups and individuals decline to exercise responsibility. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on June 22, 2008, 12:03:37 PM
I am one of the sad ones who remembers the time when teachers could kick you up the hole (answer in our house - "you must have deserved it"); punch you in the back of the head; make you wear a dunce's hat all day; grab you down by the hair; and generally humiliate 8, 9 and 10 year olds.. In our wee school a student came in to cover one week and had the habit if punching kids in the face if they could not recite the Soldier Song ... Funny though, I am a great believer in bad Karma and, as far as I know, four of the cnuts died in their late 40s / early 50s  ... goes round, comes around... :'( ..... l
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 12:54:31 PM
Maybe the thread title should have red 'teachers used to get it handy, but now they don't!'

(Still, the holidays are immense  :P)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
Quotenow they don't!
::)


Work from 9 to half 3 with half the year off . It must have been some job in the old days !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 25, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
QuoteWSE = Whole School Evaluation report?  We have ETI (Education and Training Inspectorate) reports in the North.  They come in  a number of guises.  They can last from three to five days.  The Inspectorate here are pretty mild compared to Ofsted in England.  However with the Every School A Good School paper, if its passed the Inspectors will get more teeth.  Already they are grading schools on a 1 to 6 scale.  Anything below 4 and serious pressure results.
Schools in the North currently have 73 different initiatives to implement.  They have become the spine of society as some other groups and individuals decline to exercise responsibility.

I'd have a brave few family members in teaching and the thing I've never understood is why they have so much notice for inspections. Surely if the inspection is to have any real meaning, it should be on a random basis, i.e. they turn up unannounced and if things aren't up to scratch, tough. Is there still such notice for inspections?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
Quotenow they don't!
::)


Work from 9 to half 3 with half the year off . It must have been some job in the old days !

Ha!  No, I was thinking more along the lines of the legal issues involved with giving a pupil an auld slap. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 25, 2008, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)

Tut tut Bensars, it's I before E except after C.  Kids, they just don't listen these days!! :D :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
 :D :D

That was only a teaser ! 

I bet you're the type that calls the manager in a restaurant to point out spelling mistakes on the specials board, while your colleague practices their  fresh air golf swing, another is annoying the barman with a photocopy of the picture round  from the previous nights quiz !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 25, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 01:09:05 PM
But if you were a good enough teacher you shouldnt have to resort to violence against a child.

After all, you have all recieved training to deal with such incidents. Teachers want to be regarded as professionals after all ! ;)

Has to be the biggest myth of all time!

You cannot train someone how to keep discipline in a classroom. Some people have a certain personality that lends itself to pupils not wanting to cross them but basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them. Kids are wise to the idea now and any threat of detention or telling parents is laughed off and the behaviour keeps continuing.

I'm a qualified teacher myself and the last year of teaching practice is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do... I'm not too keen to rush back into it to be honest as I don't think I have the personality to teach in a secondary school. I would be much happier as a primary teacher I think but then I made the wrong choice when doing my teaching practice so I just have to live with it!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
Quotebut basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them

Scary from a childs perspective if thats a representive sample of the mentality within  the teaching profession !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: corn02 on June 25, 2008, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 25, 2008, 01:02:36 PM

I'd have a brave few family members in teaching and the thing I've never understood is why they have so much notice for inspections. Surely if the inspection is to have any real meaning, it should be on a random basis, i.e. they turn up unannounced and if things aren't up to scratch, tough. Is there still such notice for inspections?

Exactly. How can they really judge if they have pupils on best behaviour, nice projects set up for one day only etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 25, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: Bensars on June 25, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
Quotebut basically teachers offer no real threat to children anymore if they can't inflict pain on them

Scary from a childs perspective if thats a representive sample of the mentality within  the teaching profession !


OK maybe I could have phrased that better instead of sounding like a Headmaster from a school during the war times. I do not and never would condone the infliction of pain on a child. All I am saying is that no longer is a stern word, a detention or a grounding enough to maintain discipline. None of these things are a real punishment for a child and god help you if you don't have the parents on your side becasue you will be slaughtered.

I had real problems with a couple of children last year. One of their parents was a lovely woman and we arranged that the child not be allowed his laptop back until he had behaved sufficiently in my class for a week and he was on the same notice for the rest of the term that I could have an impact on something he cared about.

The flipside was another kid whose mother didn't care! She said it was my problem and I had to deal with it! What could I do? Give him a yellow card (that was the system of discipline used)? A lot of discipline policies mean nothing in School's and withough proper co-operation from all other teachers and parents you stand very little chance of controlling discipline!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 25, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
Corporal punishment will never return as that approach to discipline went out 20 yrs ago in all forms of authority, from teachers to parents.

Discipline is a hard one. The majority of fellas in a decent school, and most schools are, are eventually manageable and know why they are there. There'll always be 2-3% who are impossible and can only be bribed by the example you gave above. That's not teaching but it's easier to get a hair from a hungry tiger than get a pupil excluded for extreme behaviour, so you need to quell the minority for the sake of the majority somehow.

Don't let experiences like that put you off screenexile. There'll be days throughout your career when you'll pine for an easier office/site job/managerial (and I've worked in all) where you can exercise your strengths without having a 14-year old plus parent making your work an impossibility and your health feels like it's deteriorating at a chronic rate. However, gradually, the good days will envelope the bad'uns and if you feel you're cut out for it, it'll go for you.

On the other hand, if you find after 12 months you feel no different, get out. There are many who hate the profession they are in but see it through for 25-30 years - a waste of a life and no good for the pupils. Not many can become secondary teachers. Not many can become primary teachers. I taught primary for 14 months in the mid-90s and I left for the sake of my sanity. I now love my job although mainly because I deal with 16-18 year olds - much easier in my book. There are others who prefer 11-14. You'll find your niche eventually.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 25, 2008, 09:27:02 PM
Screenexile that's some good advice from O'Neill!

At one stage I was part of a team that went into schools that were in Special Measures.  I remember one school in West London where the children ruled the corridors and the teachers's car park had an 18 foot fence around it to stop arson. Lenny Henry played the role, in a TV show,  of a black headteacher who took the school over and turned it around.  I was a so called experienced teacher,  a senior teacher in an East London school, and the experience shell shocked me.  I was lucky in that I knew that I had some past achievements behind me and I talked to other teachers about what to do.  At times then I thought that I was the worst teacher in the world.  Talking made me realise that others have the same challenges.   

Screenexile I would advise you to talk to others.  I eventually got a grip on the students by being consistent, fair and getting to know them and gradually letting them get to know me.  Last year I told a QUB lecturer who was proclaiming the excellent subject knowledge of his student teachers that I was more interested in teachers who could relate to pupils and build relationships.  The subject knowledge can come later.

Screenexile manys the time I felt like jacking the job in especially on a Monday morning after having 9G but I have found that the best time to sum up your teaching is half way through the holidays.  If you still feel bad then its time to consider a career change.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on June 25, 2008, 09:28:58 PM
320 teachers 'off sick each day'

Teachers in Northern Ireland took 58,107 sick days last year, averaging more than 320 teachers off each day.

The figures were revealed in an assembly written answer by Education Minister Caitriona Ruane to the DUP's Michelle McIlveen.

Ms McIlveen, a member of the assembly's education committee, said the figures were "astonishing".

The Department of Education said it was working closely with the employing authorities to reduce sickness levels.

Ms McIlveen said: "We are seeing a complete lack of direction from the department and this adds to the stress under which teachers have to work.

"Absences cause problems for both schools and pupils and we have the additional cost of supply teachers which comes out of the education budget."

Frank Bunting, northern secretary of the Irish National Teachers' Organisation, told the Belfast Telegraph the profession was facing a crisis.

"The quality of teaching and learning is extraordinary against a backdrop where teachers face interference, initiatives and ridiculous levels of bureaucracy - all in the name of accountability, allegedly.

"The miracle is that, day after day, teachers continue teaching and that sickness and absenteeism levels are not very much higher than they are," he said.

However, a Department of Education spokesman said: "The employing authorities have recently extended the provision of counselling services to all teachers via a 24-hour telephone helpline.

"The management side and teacher side of the Teacher Negotiating Committee have recently agreed a revised Management Attendance Procedure that has been issued to all schools."

Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7473907.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7473907.stm)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on June 25, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 25, 2008, 02:23:05 PM
I'm a qualified teacher myself and the last year of teaching practice is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do... I'm not too keen to rush back into it to be honest as I don't think I have the personality to teach in a secondary school. I would be much happier as a primary teacher I think but then I made the wrong choice when doing my teaching practice so I just have to live with it!

Nothing in teaching is harder than being a student teacher. Remember how you treated them when you were at school. And you were at a convent school. No matter what you came across during your teaching practice (in inner schools in England IIRC), it is unlikely that you will come across anything nearly as difficult.

There is no real reason why you can't teach in a primary school. I know plenty of secondary trained teachers working in primary schools and vice-versa. You should apply to primary jobs anyway. It might help if you join the parish choir or play the organ at mass or other stuff like that. Or it might not. That could be a myth.

Still as ONeill says, give it a try. If it's for you, you'll know. If it's not, you won't spend the rest of your life wondering if you have made the correct career decision.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on June 27, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
No we dont. End of.
While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.
Plus i still have to go til the end of july cause when i graduated i couldnt get a goddamn job at home and that doesnt look like changing any time soon.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on July 01, 2008, 12:54:56 AM
My my July already. Not be long now 'till teachers are back at work  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on July 01, 2008, 07:57:06 PM

again i say,some of us are still teaching till the end of july :( :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 01, 2008, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: nic on June 27, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
No we dont. End of.
While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.
Plus i still have to go til the end of july cause when i graduated i couldnt get a goddamn job at home and that doesnt look like changing any time soon.

Although I don't doubt for a second that this is true do you not think that there's an awful lot of people in jobs that mean they have to listen to wankers all day everyday (and not just their work colleagues)? 
I love the way teachers go on about the stress and what they listen to - most people in employment are the same but they aren't off half the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlie stubbs on July 01, 2008, 08:54:55 PM
teachers deserve a good holiday i think.  it good to wind them up saying its handy.  it not 9-3 they have marking preparing lessons etc.  you think of the amount 2 that spoon feed you whwen you are there, handing work back constantly so that you can get a mark.  this is just the normal teacher nwever mind the ones that take the football teams etc who will be behind 2 or 3 days a week.  you compare that to uni lecturers who are in a couple of hours a day, can take holidays in the middle of the year and genuinely dontgive a f*** about u. 

the amount of shit they get also.  children get cheekier and cheekier every year.  you would need the patience of a saint to do that.  without teachers alot of people wouldnt be in the good jobs they are in know
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: nic on July 01, 2008, 09:00:25 PM

Thanx charlie- its good to be appreciated and to be honest, ive only been in the job for 4 years but alot of my friends have left already- disheartened with the system and you are right about the children-cheeky as.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: off the laces on July 02, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on July 01, 2008, 08:54:55 PM
teachers deserve a good holiday i think.  it good to wind them up saying its handy.  it not 9-3 they have marking preparing lessons etc.  you think of the amount 2 that spoon feed you whwen you are there, handing work back constantly so that you can get a mark.  this is just the normal teacher nwever mind the ones that take the football teams etc who will be behind 2 or 3 days a week.  you compare that to uni lecturers who are in a couple of hours a day, can take holidays in the middle of the year and genuinely dontgive a f*** about u. 

the amount of shit they get also.  children get cheekier and cheekier every year.  you would need the patience of a saint to do that.  without teachers alot of people wouldnt be in the good jobs they are in know
Charlie from your grammer and puncuation is see you need to go back to school. ;) :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hound on July 02, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: nic on June 27, 2008, 06:15:25 PM

While holidays are great, i have had to put up with so much cr*p over the past year from parents it has nearly drove me demented.

Can you give examples of the stuff you have to deal with from parents that drives you demented?

I have great respect for teachers, the ones with a genuine interest in the children anyway. I think the balance between pay and holidays is about right, though like almost everyone else, I'm sure they'd like few bob more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Maximus Marillius on July 02, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
this board has gone all quiet because the teachers are now off on holidays. :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 06, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
QuoteThe children's minister, Kevin Brennan, has called for secondary pupils under the age of 16 to be locked in school grounds at lunchtime to stop them from stocking up on sweets, fizzy drinks and takeaways.

Surely that's nothing new?
Title: GTCNI
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2008, 09:01:12 AM
Got a nice shiny certificate from Mr Eddie McArdle and the General Teaching Council for Northern Ireland.
He has certified me as a teacher.  That's very nice of him.
The Unions are in full support of this.  Strange that when it seems to be a case of jobs for the boys.
Yet another independent quango being created by the government that will do sweet F.A but create even more paper work down
then line.  Oh yes I fully expect to be paying for this in about 5 years time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on July 10, 2008, 10:05:14 AM
TYP in all honesty what do you think of this scheme??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on August 01, 2008, 01:12:22 AM
AUGUST Can't believe it. soon be september
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on August 01, 2008, 01:17:32 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on August 01, 2008, 01:25:25 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 01, 2008, 01:17:32 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3077.msg344927#new

Stick it on here Ziggy  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gold on August 01, 2008, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 01, 2008, 01:17:32 AM
A lot of teachers have said that to me over the pass week. Had to muster all my energy not to slap them.

exactly ziggy

"oh we've only been off for 1 month and only have 1 months holidays left"

catch a f**king grip--i have one weeks holidays the week after next and cant wait--15 days to take per year, imagine gettin 60 SIXTY days off in the summer

i hate teachers and their easy lives
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2008, 07:56:56 PM
Only another 25 days left. Finding it hard to sleep thinking about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 01, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
Gold where do you work that you only get 15 holidays a year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2008, 09:31:44 PM
Sorry to hear that. What type of school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on August 07, 2008, 10:26:23 AM
My mate was complaining to me last night that he only has another 3 weeks left of his holidays. I got a fortnight in July.
I just don't think they (teachers) realise how lucky they are.  Off course, and i'm not afraid to admit it, I clearly jealous/envious.  Too late for a career change??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 07, 2008, 10:30:41 AM
Teachers should be made to do community service during the summer holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 07, 2008, 05:20:29 PM
If somre of you think teaching is so handy why dont you just go and train to be one so you can have a 'handy' job like us with all those holidays throughout the year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D

Fair Play Farrandeelin will you be teaching in Mayo ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FL/MAYO on August 07, 2008, 05:37:33 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 07, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 01, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
I can finally say I'm a teacher! Got offered a job today. ;D

Fair Play Farrandeelin will you be teaching in Mayo ?

Will you be teaching in Jarlaths?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 07, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 07, 2008, 06:35:55 PM
it improved cash flow for the Government.

On what basis I wonder?
Where Option 1 is the 10 monthly payments (no July & August) and Option 2 is the 12 even payments and using an annual discount rate of 3% (cost of governments capital anyone?!), the following can be said when contemplating an annual salary of 25k:

Evaluated at start of calendar year: Option 1 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,610
Evaluated at start of calendar year: Option 2 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,598
Evaluated on April 1 (fiscal / tax year): Option 1 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,574
Evaluated on April 1 (fiscal / tax year): Option 2 NPV of current year government cash payments 24,598
[all pre tax NPV]

Assuming the government tend to analyse CF on a fiscal year basis, I'd argue that they'd have been better off under the old scenario.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Handy on October 13, 2008, 06:43:39 PM
Yeah?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 13, 2008, 06:50:13 PM
Maybe TYP can shed some light on the difficulty in expelling pupils from school for dangerous offences. It seems that a child can kneecap you but survive, as appropriate measures weren't taken to develop the child's social skills.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 13, 2008, 07:02:00 PM
Why school governors and ELBs falling over themselves to keep these thugs in schools and classes where they obviously don't deserve to be. Won't someone think of the children?! No won't someone think of the teachers and classroom assistants having to manage these no marks on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 07:20:30 PM
i'm dealing with  these kids after they fail in school, i sometimes wonder what the fcuk goes on in their home life. the kids have enough brain power to get the bus. not enough left over to lift their feet when they walk. but if you have a go at them about their social skills they are quick to claim your picking on them.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:04:26 PM
I blame the parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:39:39 PM
So do you think they won't expel this little p***k because they're afraid they'll be out of pocket defending the decision? 

The country's fucked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sandy Hill on October 13, 2008, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better
Yes, you are a snob.

btw what makes you think your kids wouldl pass the 11+?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on October 13, 2008, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 07:20:30 PM
i'm dealing with  these kids after they fail in school, i sometimes wonder what the fcuk goes on in their home life. the kids have enough brain power to get the bus. not enough left over to lift their feet when they walk. but if you have a go at them about their social skills they are quick to claim your picking on them.

Very disappointing attitude from one who works with the under-privileged.

I thought your young chap went to a secondary school - certainly claimed to be at Bearnageeha when I met him - would he not be exposed to such underlings there?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on October 13, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Why has nobody mentioned "socio economic" reasons for the kids being hoods? That usually justifies it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
he did saffron sam and has done well with passing his grades, staying on and hopefully college.

but my problem with these kids is that they bring the rest of the class down. you should know working where you do, teachers have no time to work with this type of kid. we aren't trained properly or given the time to do one on ones.

me a snob? class ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 10:15:18 PM
Quote
but my problem with these kids is that they bring the rest of the class down. you should know working where you do, teachers have no time to work with this type of kid. we aren't trained properly or given the time to do one on ones.
So address that issue rather than have a system in place which saves some kids from that but says f**k you to the rest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
have you seen the news today?  they cant get these kids out of the schools and the children that want to be taught are getting let down.

systems have been put in place, like loughview and other day centres that look after the kids that are eventually kicked out. do you  think this solves it?

the problem comes from home. it's the parents (i use that word loosesly)  that need education. there is no money in education to deal with problem kids.

all teachers will tell ya the same thing, THEY GRIND YA DOWN EVENTUALLY.  try teaching pintsofguinness, its an experience
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Oh i agree with you on the parents.
But my point is you seemed to be happy enough to have a 11+ if your kids could avoid a class with these little pricks but is that the answer? What about the decent kids that would have to share a class with them?
In the same way people want the 11+ because it may mean their kid has a chance to go to a good school - f**k that I say - the answer is the make every school a good school!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 13, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on October 13, 2008, 10:55:34 PM
no money no money no money POG, schools cant have small classes, nearly 30 in a class is what we have,

if the lad has behaviour problems and learning difficulties then he needs to be in a class of 5 and no more. and working on the 3 r's. and a vocational route.  by the time i get him he should know how to read and work out basic maths. oh and manners would help but i suppose I'm asking for a miracle

so the answer is simple, get specialised teachers who are given the time to work on the whats needed to make them better adults
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on October 13, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
Quoteno money no money no money POG, schools cant have small classes, nearly 30 in a class is what we have,
Course there is.  If they can find 40 billion to save a couple of banks they can find a few pound for education - it's just a matter of wanting to and a case of taking it off the wasters in society and putting it in to something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on October 31, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 13, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


Jeez, LL, you are having one hell of a bad hair day!
You might be writing too fast or else I'm reading too slow but you've lost me in places.
Maybe you'd give us some more detail.
When did you actually hear a teachers complaining about the hours they work?
I don't recall that ever been said anywhere, any time. What the hell passes for education in Laois? They sure complain about how stressful their jobs are, as youseem to be saying about your own job right now!
Did you ever stop to think about the amount of work and missed dinners that go into Cumann na mBunscol? You can add in lots of other extracurricular activities where teachers don't get overtime, travelling expenses or stay on after hours to give some kids extra tuition or every other thing they take on after hours. That's all voluntary unpaid work and still lots of teachers take it on year after year.
You mean that educating the young and the vulnerable is not an important job? I doubt if you ever heard any teacher denying that other jobs are not stressful either.
Go on, admit it; your toolbox was nicked today by one of them @@##@ Traveller fellas you keep going on about, wasn't it?   ;D
Title: Re: Ceol
Post by: ONeill on November 03, 2008, 07:21:03 PM
Quote from: drici on October 31, 2008, 02:38:53 PM
Times must be rough for a teacher to have to play music at a wedding in Tyrone on the school holidays.

Must say I admire this man, if he exists. He appears to have sacrificed his much-needed rest to doll himself up and travel a long way in order to soothe the ears of a distant community in the midst of the ravages of economic uncertainty.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 13, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


100% right and now in the midst of economic gloom, we have teachers going on industrial for more money. At a time when thousands of people are losing their jobs and homes, these work-shy heroes (180 x 5 hour days in a school year, jobs for life based on a 15 minute interview etc., most of whom wouldn't last 15 minutes in a real job) have the audacity to ask for a pay increase.

Shameful and just shows how out of touch with reality teachers really are.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2009, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

SS2 is a teacher i believe
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
well then he must be being sarcastic or else he works in a complete handy school where the money is given for turning up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2009, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:59:40 AM
well then he must be being sarcastic or else he works in a complete handy school where the money is given for turning up.

A bit of both.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
Totally agree with SS2. Talk about teachers having their heads up their hole. Teachers are lucky to be in a relatively secure and well paid job during the current time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 10:04:14 AM
Toally agree with SS2. Talk about teachers having their heads up their hole. Teachers are lucky to be in a relatively secure and well paid job during the current time.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 13, 2008, 10:48:28 PM
Teachers are a pain in the hole..For ever complaining about the hours they work  ::) and how stressfull their jobs are  ::)
As if they had the most important job known to man and no other occupation was stressful...  ::)
As for the hours they work  ::) Give me a f**king break


100% right and now in the midst of economic gloom, we have teachers going on industrial for more money. At a time when thousands of people are losing their jobs and homes, these work-shy heroes (180 x 5 hour days in a school year, jobs for life based on a 15 minute interview etc., most of whom wouldn't last 15 minutes in a real job) have the audacity to ask for a pay increase.

Shameful and just shows how out of touch with reality teachers really are.


I.N.T.O propaganda alert
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

Quote from: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
I.N.T.O propaganda alert

Not in the INTO by the way, but could either of you, in the light of the current economic position, justify a) the pay rise and b) the industrial action?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 16, 2009, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.

I agree with winsamsoon.  I dated a girl who taught biology and between grading homework, grading labs and setting up labs she would put in 60-70 hours a week easily. Some teachers do have it handy just like anyone else but some work very hard just like anyone else. As for the school year with summers off, most teachers hit school themselves or workshops during that period.With regards to a job for life, it is wrong for that policy. A teacher should have a yearly review and pass a proficiency test in order to keep teaching.

I feel teachers, nurses, doctors, law enforcement and firefighters are way underpaid for their services they provide compared to an IT person, sales rep, financial trader or broker. Educating the next generation is one of the most important tasks that one can undertake.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 16, 2009, 10:19:09 AM


Not in the INTO by the way, but could either of you, in the light of the current economic position, justify a) the pay rise and b) the industrial action?



a) Can  jusity a pay rise because we are looking parity with England and Wales.

What i am more concerned with is the rest of the reasons for taking industrial action.
I think it is essential to have an incremental based pay scale for those teachers who just want to TEACH.
To be rewarded for being a "excellent" teacher would be alot more interesting to me than having to wait on HOD jobs, yearhead jobs etc.
Now how you qualify an "excellent"  teacher is open to debate but i think the principle behind it is worth it


b)  The unions have been going on about this for over 2 years.  It should have been sorted by now.
Sometimes you have to take a stand but with current economics the way they are, an all out strike would have went down like a lead balloon.
This was the only option they were left with.

Whether it has the desired affect or not, depends on the members
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 12:08:52 PM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.

This is still very much a grey area. With a different set-up in terms of holidays etc across the water there is no agreed consensus on the parity issue.

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.

teachers getting a rough deal

That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 12:08:52 PM

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.


That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.

Agreed it is hard to define an "excellent" teacher but it is something that needs to be explored.

Nurses get an awful rough deal. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on January 16, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
I love the additional transport costs B/S it cost penny's to ship goods around the world and maybe a euro to truck from the UK if they don't land the good directly here .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:19:52 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 16, 2009, 12:08:52 PM

Fermgael's initial point about rewarding 'teachers' as opposed to those who receive financial recognition for noting down when a school bus is being used would be a minor bugbear of mine. But, unfortunately, it is next to impossible gathering conclusive evidence that one teacher's excellence excels another with subject, academic level of group and age differences.


That's pushing it. Nurses get a rough deal.

Agreed it is hard to define an "excellent" teacher but it is something that needs to be explored.

Nurses get an awful rough deal. 

FYI the starting salary for adult nurses is between £20,225 and £24,800 a year with extra allowances paid to those living around London.

Teachers starting salary is £20,627 so no great difference in terms of monetary reward and in most cases the nurse will be on a better starting salary.
 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on January 16, 2009, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: delboy on January 16, 2009, 11:57:01 AM
As far as i know the industrial action is primarily to bring in the same conditions as exists in other parts of the UK, i don't see how anyone could have a problem with teachers here playing on a level playing field to their counterparts in other parts of the UK.
Some of the oponions on here seem to suggest though that people would be happy to see teachers getting a rough deal here simply because they are in jobs with a degree of permancy greater than their own which to be honest is a bit petty and childish.


How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Lower cost of living, pull the other one, excluding London NI is probably the most expensive region of the UK to live in, being on an island with all those associated additional transports costs means that we pay more for basic commidities than those in mainland UK (and always have done).

So teachers should sod off and move to england because they get paid more over there, personally i like nationally agreed paydeals when it comes to something as fundamentally important as education. Why should NI potentially lose out on the best homegrown teachers to the rest of the UK simply because the system here doesn't give them parity with their colleaugues in the rest of the UK.

As for the pensions teachers pay about 6 odd pecent gross into their pension and they receive 1/80 of their final salary per year of service, which as far as i can gather in line with most public workers be they teachers, firefighters or nurses.  
I love the additional transport costs B/S it cost penny's to ship goods around the world and maybe a euro to truck from the UK if they don't land the good directly here .

That is such a crass statement, pennys to ship goods around the world  :D :D you couldn't make that stuff up, ohh wait you just did  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: naka on January 16, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
am fed up to the teethof the fact that crap teachers can stay in a job for life and are guaranteed a pension after it, most of my mates are losing their jobs left right and centre but hey no teachers are, also our pensions are fked but hey teachers are guaranteed theres, teachers have it sussed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tonto on January 16, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: naka on January 16, 2009, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: winsamsoon on January 16, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Saffron i tell you what to do lad. Come into a school for a 5 or 6 week period and sit in classrooms and observe the job a teacher does.(now granted there are exceptions but isn't everyone different) I mean come into a really challenging school with pupils that have special needs and you will know at the end of the 6 week period why they are asking for more money and why they only work a certain amount of hours. It would be physically and sometimes emotionally draining. You are also forgetting the huge amounts of background work that must be done ie at home . So if you haven't experienced it then i would suggest you keep on the down low.
am fed up to the teethof the fact that crap teachers can stay in a job for life and are guaranteed a pension after it, most of my mates are losing their jobs left right and centre but hey no teachers are, also our pensions are fked but hey teachers are guaranteed theres, teachers have it sussed
Would you prefer that teachers were also losing their jobs?

Hmm, as someone else said, it appears to be jealousy of teachers' job security which drives a few people's petty hatred of the profession.

IMO, teachers in NI do deserve equality with their counterparts in the rest of the UK; what's sauce for the goose... :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 02:55:08 PM
It's true.  there is a massive amount of job security in teaching.
I love my job and could not imagine myself doing anything else.
I did not get into it for the wages.
I could have done something else and made more money but i wanted a work life balance.

Quote from: Tonto on January 16, 2009, 02:41:06 PM


Hmm, as someone else said, it appears to be jealousy of teachers' job security which drives a few people's petty hatred of the profession.


Nail hit on the head.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 16, 2009, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Lazer on January 16, 2009, 01:19:02 PM

How many other jobs here the same as the equivalent job in other parts of the UK, The pay N.Ireland is lower in general, originally because our cost of living was supposedly lower than that in the mainland UK, however, thats not the case anymor, its a case of supply and demand - market factors reault in the Northern Ireland being lower - If the teachers want better pay, they can go and move to the UK, the same as everyone else has to if the want the same level as pay in their cunterparts in England

I think its actually a good thing that the industrial action is taking place as people will have no sympathy for the teachers given the fact that the country is (or will be from 23 Jan) in a Recession. They are lucky to have permanent jobs and to top it off they have benefits frew other jobs have, such as a final salary pension scheme. Unlike everyone else, anyone teacher near to retirement age doesnt have to worry about how their pension scheme is performing, whereas anyone else near retirement age, their pension scheme they have saved into all their lives is probably almost worthless.

Teachers have benefits the rest of us don't, so maybe they should stop moaning, appreciate how lucky they have it in the current economic situation and get on with the job of teaching our kids instead if threatening industrial action!


Im insulted.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 20, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm)

More evidence teachers dont live in the real world  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Donagh on February 20, 2009, 07:11:20 PM
Sure the lazy fecks have been off most of the week for 'mid-term' and it not even the end of February. Think I might become a teacher when I retire.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on February 20, 2009, 07:12:18 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 20, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7900259.stm)

More evidence teachers dont live in the real world  ::)

10-f**king-% are they having a laugh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 20, 2009, 07:23:02 PM
Just got notified last week that I won't have a job in September due to Batt O'Keeffe's cutbacks. And Deel Rover and FL MAYO I'm only after reading this thread again ::) (typical me not to read the bloody replies) and I'm teaching in Dublin...

And just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher? B'fhéidir nach raibh an Ghaeilge agaibh? Or maybe you couldn't handle the thought of having more than 20 children in front of you all day. Perhaps you just didn't like spending 'all year' in school when you were in school as a child yourselves.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 20, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
QuoteAnd just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher?
I like to work for my money.

(sorry about the job)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on February 20, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 20, 2009, 07:23:02 PM
Just got notified last week that I won't have a job in September due to Batt O'Keeffe's cutbacks. And Deel Rover and FL MAYO I'm only after reading this thread again ::) (typical me not to read the bloody replies) and I'm teaching in Dublin...

And just a sidenote to all you moaners who say teaching is a handy life?? Why didn't you become a teacher? B'fhéidir nach raibh an Ghaeilge agaibh? Or maybe you couldn't handle the thought of having more than 20 children in front of you all day. Perhaps you just didn't like spending 'all year' in school when you were in school as a child yourselves.
I'd rather 20 kids than , 1,000's  of end users moaning when something goes balls up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 16, 2009, 08:14:29 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 16, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 16, 2009, 08:14:29 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
I agree pints. What a knob. I bet he feels like a quare mug now. If wants to go to work wearing trackies he can get a job in a leisure centre. Too cool for school eh.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on March 16, 2009, 10:16:18 PM
I'd imagine there is more to that story than meets the eye.
We are not being given the full facts here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on March 16, 2009, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 16, 2009, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 16, 2009, 08:14:29 PM
He sounds like an ass, imagine getting fired from your job because you wouldnt put on a pair of decent trousers, what an knob.
I agree pints. What a knob. I bet he feels like a quare mug now. If wants to go to work wearing trackies he can get a job in a leisure centre. Too cool for school eh.

He probably just wanted to "connect" with the kids, wanted to show them he wasnt "stuffy".............
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 28, 2009, 08:32:04 AM
As the rest of Britain fights for its financial life, teachers demand a four-day week AND 10% pay rise

Teachers want their days in the classroom cut to four a week – with a 10 per cent pay rise.

The National Union of Teachers is planning a campaign for contractual rights to spend one day a week marking work and preparing lessons.

It also wants a 35-hour limit on the working week.

The claim is aimed at bringing teachers into line with their counterparts in Scotland.

But the demands, which may be backed up with strike action or working to rule, have brought an angry reaction at a time when unemployment is soaring and many workers face pay freezes.

Critics said teachers were largely protected from redundancy threats and 'seem not to have noticed' the deepening recession and spiralling national debt.

The change would be hugely costly, since extra teachers would have to be recruited to cover absences from classrooms.

Under a deal struck in 2003, teachers are already allowed to spend 10 per cent of their time on 'non-contact' duties away from their pupils, such as marking appropriate balance of contact and non-contact time.'

Now NUT leaders are poised to table a motion at their annual conference at Easter calling for this to to be doubled to 20 per cent, or the equivalent of a day a week.

The conference in Cardiff will also hear calls for a new 'national contract' guaranteeing the additional non-contact time, along with extra pay for all commitments above class teaching and rights to have a break every two hours.

Delegates will call for members to be balloted on strikes or other industrial action as part of the drive to win the contract.

The NUT has already written to the teachers' pay body saying staff should receive a 10 per cent increase or £3,000, whichever is the greater, from September.

Acting general secretary Christine Blower said: 'We have a policy of 20 per cent non-contact time for the duties that teachers have to do. We believe that would be an

She added: 'It is a bit of a mystery to us why Scotland is able to work perfectly well with a 35-hour week.

'We would like the pleasant air of a 35-hour week creeping over Hadrian's Wall. It does not mean we would stop working on the 61st minute after the 35th hour.'

Teachers in Scotland had their working hours capped at 35 a week in a 2001 agreement.

There was also a phased reduction in contact time with pupils to 22.5 hours a week.

But attempts to introduce similar arrangements south of the border were rejected by ministers whobranded them 'unprofessional'.

Some teachers were also hostile, claiming the job could take more hours to carry out properly.

Miss Blower insisted that official studies of teachers' diaries showed they were still doing 'ludicrously'long hours – 50 or 60 a week.

Bryan Beckingham, a retired maths teacher from Oldham, will table a conference motion complaining about 'completely unacceptable levels of workload' and calling for a 'national contract' which would include the right not to cover for other teachers except
in genuine emergencies and the right not to attend staff meetings at school more than once a week.

Mark Wallace, spokesman for the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: 'The NUT seems not to have noticed that we are in the middle of a recession.

'There's no way taxpayers or school children can afford for teachers to take a day a week out of the classroom.

'We are all in this crisis together, so it's disappointing to see this union trying to squeeze more out of taxpayers.

'We are always told teachers work on lesson plans in the long school holidays, so it would be difficult to defend a day a week out of the classroom as well.'

The Department for Children, Schools and Families said: 'There has never been a better time to be a teacher, with record levels of pay, excellent training and career development and more support staff.'

    * Fewer primary school pupils are scoring top marks in their SATs, according to results to be issued next week.

They will trigger concernthat schools are failing to stretch the brightest pupils.

The figures are expected to show that four in ten children move to secondary school without a basic mastery of the three Rs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165332/As-rest-Britain-fights-financial-life-teachers-demand-day-week-AND-10-pay-rise.html?ITO=1490
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
Nice to see the teaching unions and teachers are in touch with the real world. Did it really come as a shock to teachers that they'd be expected to teach AND mark homework, set lessons etc!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 28, 2009, 11:54:05 AM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.

Just some though. I spend most of the time drinking tea and telling the lads to read that bit again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 28, 2009, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 28, 2009, 11:54:05 AM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.

Just some though. I spend most of the time drinking tea and telling the lads to read that bit again.

Next!  Whose turn is it to run to the shop to get the Irish News?

ME!  ME!  ME!  ME! ME! ME! ME!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods
And then there is the time when they step outside for a wee chat .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
Feck it I'd quit,
seriously, sitting in there with the heater blowing around your ass,
drinking tea while looking out at the rain and sleet knowing that if it wasn't for this
cushy number I have I'd be out there soaked and freezing with the rest
has got to feel pretty good sometimes and make up for some of that extra stuff...No?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on March 28, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?
8 hours is probably pushing it a bit. Don't forget school finishes around 3.30 and includes morning break, lunchtime and free periods


Revised Curriculum is doing my head in with the amount of preparation required even before you see a pupil.

Alot of this prepapation is done at home in the evenings
.

Ahh ya poor fella,maybe you should take a few extra weeks holidays for all the extra work you have to put in at home... 
Like none of the rest of us has to take work home with us  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
A lot of people do extra work without being paid for it Gaffer and they don't have 3 months holidays, the job security you lot do or the guaranteed pay rises - stop moaning.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?

I'm not a teacher.  I go on here sometimes on my lunch break and can't believe how people with weekday jobs post so much during the day on here.  You'd be sacked for doing it where I work and rightly so.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
A lot of people do extra work without being paid for it Gaffer and they don't have 3 months holidays, the job security you lot do or the guaranteed pay rises - stop moaning.

Like who?
Well me and most people I know!

Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
The many people on this board who sit posting on here during supposed work hours have some cheek giving teachers stick.  They do get loads of holidays but at least they do some work when they're in their place of employment.
So you work 8 hours a day? Non stop ,no talking no nothing?

I'm not a teacher.  I go on here sometimes on my lunch break and can't believe how people with weekday jobs post so much during the day on here.  You'd be sacked for doing it where I work and rightly so.
Same here, I dont understnad the jobs people have on this board. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 28, 2009, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
Do you enjoy working and not getting paid for it?

It's not like you're paid by the hour.  You get a salary, in return for that salary it should be demanded that you will mark kids' work and prepare at home.  What I'm trying to say is you do get paid for work at home really as it is implied in the contract.  If you didn't do it you would be a pretty shit teacher.  I take work home as well when I have to but I don;t consider it to be unpaid work, if you don't want to be crap at your job you have to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 05:50:32 PM
Right then let me ask it another way having taken the above into account....how many of the teachers on here would swap with any
of the trades people for instance on the outside with their lack of job security, braving the cold day in day out, no sick days, few if any paid holidays,
and that's without even getting in to the summers off, no union sponsored pay raises most every year and on and on?
Do ye really have it that bad lads?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
Gaffer
Quote
What jobs are they?

A wide variety, do you seriously think teachers are the only profession/job where people have to work extra to keep on top of things?

Why is it that teachers are so out of touch with reality?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
It's priced in to the contract Gaffer as mentioned above, when do you think these jobs get priced, materials and supplies get moved on and off
the job etc, it's a bit naive to think that teachers are the only ones that get to bring work home with them.
Now I'm not saying for a minute that teachers don't do a lot more work than what the average person thinks but my last post
kinda blows the argument wide open in that I'd hazard a guess that not one of you would give up what you have in comparison,
would I be right?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 05:50:32 PM
Right then let me ask it another way having taken the above into account....how many of the teachers on here would swap with any
of the trades people for instance on the outside with their lack of job security, braving the cold day in day out, no sick days, few if any paid holidays,
and that's without even getting in to the summers off, no union sponsored pay raises most every year and on and on?
Do ye really have it that bad lads?

Do you know any tradesman who would work for nothing in the evenings after getting home from work?

Yes!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
Quote
Na!

Tradsemen would soon want back to their former jobs once they realise teaching isn't the 'handy aul number'  alot of them think it is now.

Also, once they realise that they have to carry work home with them night after night  and that there is no such thing as overtime they ll soon change teir attitude.



Yes but you've actually reversed my argument ;) Where did I say any of us felt that we'd, a) be cut out for the job or b)even want the job
No my point was that if you think you have it so tough would you consider swapping your profession with us on the outside????
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:07:02 PM
It's priced in to the contract Gaffer as mentioned above, when do you think these jobs get priced, materials and supplies get moved on and off
the job etc, it's a bit naive to think that teachers are the only ones that get to bring work home with them.
Now I'm not saying for a minute that teachers don't do a lot more work than what the average person thinks but my last post
kinda blows the argument wide open in that I'd hazard a guess that not one of you would give up what you have in comparison,
would I be right?

But that work at home is part of your job when you are self employed. The time you put in is an investment . When you are pricing a job you are pricing labour which includes the preparation at home. You are not doing it for nothing.

Yes and with the investment the education board makes in offering you boy's the benefits package you receive adding of course the 6 or 8 weeks
paid holiday in the summer months, where do you get off in thinking you're not paid to mark a few sums at home :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 06:35:26 PM
You're wasting your breath TO, teachers are the only people who've to work extra hours for nothing to keep on top of things or take work home with them  ::)
While people are being made redundant, forced to take pay cuts etc they've got it the worst because they've to mark a few books at night.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:38:17 PM
QuoteYou said SWAP which means that a tradesman will have to come in to my class while I m out on the building site.

Feck you'll do anything but answer the question...I'll try once more;
Considering how tough ye have it having to bring work home with you, would you personally consider leaving it to come out to the outside
to work your ass off and take a feed of bad manners with little to no benefits????...it shouldn't be that difficult to answer unless of course the answer
is a big fat fcuk no which I suspect it probably would be considering the difficulty you seem to have in answering a simple question, would then in
turn render your argument ...well a non argument!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
QuoteI do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

QuoteAnswer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

QuoteNow, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.

The work at home is not part of the job.

The time you get paid for is in your contract and that time is worked in school during the day. 
You should manage your time a bit better.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 07:05:59 PM
QuotePaid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?

Job for life
backing of a union

QuoteIf taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!
Agree, at least gaffer you can punish someone giving you bad manners, try being in a job where youve to deal with members of public all day talking to you like a piece of shit and you have to stand there with a smile on your face and take it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 28, 2009, 07:18:33 PM

Alright so your jobs harder than mine blah blah....... Most tradesmen I know are all on good benifits too, sure their all doing the double. So whats a few wee holidays to the teachers  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 06:44:43 PM
The work at home is part of the job ,you knew what you where signing on for. Your like a fireman complaining he has to fight fires or the bunch of moaners who moan about living next door too Croker. Thats the way it's been for years it didn't suddenly become part of the job in recent times.

The work at home is not part of the job.

The time you get paid for is in your contract and that time is worked in school during the day. 

When I was going to school teacher where talking about correcting at home, it is  an expected part of the job .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on March 28, 2009, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
QuoteI do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

QuoteAnswer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

QuoteNow, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?
Great pension.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 07:23:23 PM
QuoteHalf days for no real reason, Cheap dinners, 9  weeks during the summer months, cheap deals on car insurance, easy to get credit, free fruit, free internet to book holidays, hotels etc , choce of warm radiator to rest ma hole on when its cold, day off on full pay when there's an election, day off on full pay when theres a drop o'snow,   free stationery for personal use, free photocopying service for personal use, free school waterproof jacket when I have to nip out to the car to get something on a cold day.

I hate this job !!!!

Fantastic... so we can put this long running (non) argument to sleep then,
Should you not be Omagh by now...we'll need all the help we can get
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Try doing the Dip lads. Gotta be the most stressful thing ever. :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 28, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 28, 2009, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on March 28, 2009, 06:57:27 PM
QuoteI do work my hole off and take a feed of bad manners, TO. I'm a teacher !!!
If taking a bit of back cheek from your students is your general idea of bad manners then I think you'd be safer staying where you are!

QuoteAnswer to your question is YES!!
I would love to come to the outside!!!!
So what's stopping you then if it's so bad where you are??

QuoteNow, whats that about a benefits package for teachers.
Paid 6 or 8 week holiday during the summer months,
Christmas break..Halloween break, mid term break/ Easter break, school trips.........................
Paid sick days,
predetermined annual or bi annual pay raises whether it's personally merited or not.
That's just off the top of my head... are there any I've left out?

Half days for no real reason, Cheap dinners, 9 weeks during the summer months, cheap deals on car insurance, easy to get credit, free fruit, free internet to book holidays, hotels etc , choce of warm radiator to rest ma hole on when its cold, day off on full pay when there's an election, day off on full pay when theres a drop o'snow,   free stationery for personal use, free photocopying service for personal use, free school waterproof jacket when I have to nip out to the car to get something on a cold day.

I hate this job !!!!

That's called theft elsewhere. What school did you say you worked in? ;) It's no wonder the ELBs can't stick to a budget when even the teachers are thieving from school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on March 29, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 29, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)

Well...yeah!


TYP, for at least a hundred quid a day, I think they can mark a couple of books at home. 
You've said before the arent paid for their holidays but they are, no matter how you dress it up. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rav67 on March 29, 2009, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 29, 2009, 01:23:27 PM
With 52 weeks per year, there are 260 working days and workers, from 1st April 2009, are entitled to 5.6 weeks of holiday per year, i.e. 28 days per year.  Therefore, the maximum working time per year is 232 with many workers getting more than this with at least 12 more days of bank holidays, etc. bringing them to 220 days.

This means that teachers have 5 more weeks of holiday per year when compared with most workers. 

For 2009 the statutory entitlement is 26 days, with an extra 9 statutory days for bank holidays etc.  So that's an extra week's holidays for you that you've decline to mention!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on March 29, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Ha ha, god love them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2009, 03:01:30 PM
Teaching holidays, unpaid as stated above, are indeed but are entirely inflexible. Many jobs have the possibility of a long weekend at an off peak time when fares are cheap or taking holidays in June etc.
Given the choice I don't think many teachers would trade in their halloween, xmas and easter  holidays, their 7 to 9 weeks off in summer and the mid-term breaks for the chance of a few long weekends!

Also the high fares argument in nonsensical. They are traditionally high during school holidays so if terms were reshuffled the high fares would follow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 29, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
Didn't notice the paid sick days in that otherwise informative post TYP,
so a typical school day consists of what 6 hours at most actually teaching?
would it be fair to say that those said sums could actually ( if ye really really
wanted to) be marked in the other 2 hrs that makes up a typical working day of 8 hrs
without the need to bring it home ?

As someone mentioned previously, time management comes in to play here,
like most things in life, ye can make it as hard or as easy as you like on yourself...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Oraisteach on March 29, 2009, 03:41:30 PM
So, TO, what exactly is holding you back from being a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tyrones own on March 29, 2009, 03:43:15 PM
Brains would be a good place to start ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on March 29, 2009, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 28, 2009, 07:05:59 PM

Agree, at least gaffer you can punish someone giving you bad manners, try being in a job where youve to deal with members of public all day talking to you like a piece of shit and you have to stand there with a smile on your face and take it.


Well the parents drop/pick up their children every day, there is usually something they have to whinge about and everything is your fault so yes, we do stand there and take while smiling sweetly because their cherub 'doesn't do that at home'.




Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 29, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 29, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
Sure us infant teachers get it handiest of all.
The children play all day, hide and seek, sleepy lions etc.  ::)  ::)
Well...yeah!


Now pints if you believe that, you really know sweet f.a.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
Boys and blades, tis the best job in the world. We're paid relatively well, have great holidays, short working day, would have to be really crap to be sacked, spend much of the day talking football/fashion, drink tea/coffee/water, go out on the piss paid for by a good principal, get all manner of equipment home for personal use, highly respected and deeply admired by the community who think we're working our balls off, relatively indispensable...it's no wonder the green eyed monsters are about!!

Oh, and we live til an average age of 93 such is the peaceful lifestyle.

Oh and the early finishes means we can do a bit of gardening, yoga, gym work, sleep, archery, canoeing etc before the average man/woman gets home from work. The evenings are then hard to fill such is the vastness of free time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 29, 2009, 07:31:45 PM
So the inspection went well then  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2009, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
Boys and blades, tis the best job in the world. We're paid relatively well, have great holidays, short working day, would have to be really crap to be sacked, spend much of the day talking football/fashion, drink tea/coffee/water, go out on the piss paid for by a good principal, get all manner of equipment home for personal use, highly respected and deeply admired by the community who think we're working our balls off, relatively indispensable...it's no wonder the green eyed monsters are about!!

Oh, and we live til an average age of 93 such is the peaceful lifestyle.

Oh and the early finishes means we can do a bit of gardening, yoga, gym work, sleep, archery, canoeing etc before the average man/woman gets home from work. The evenings are then hard to fill such is the vastness of free time.
Maybe in the 1950s O'Neill. In these times when almost anyone can go to university I'm afraid your profession is now devalued. At least in previous posts you have come out and said that teachers have little to moan about with the times that are in it. I don't think one person on here is jealous of teachers - I'm married to one so I know the craic!

The problem people have with teachers is that they and their  unions continually gripe and moan about their lot. If they were brain surgeons or nurses or down a mine for a shilling an hour they might expect more sympathy. As it stands most people wish they would just shut the f**k up! That includes you Mrs. B ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 29, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
Your wife's keeping it from you. TYP could tell you. At PT meetings we get parents practically kneeling in front of us in reverence. I find it embarrassing but you get used to it. Sometimes I implement my authority by simply waving the parents away if I don't like the look of them. On other occasions the suggestions made by mothers in order to get Johnny a higher grade makes me blush. If I walk into Raffo's or Landi's I walk to the front and no one bats an eyelid. It is a feeling of power that shouldn't be there but it becomes addictive. I've never paid for a pint in the locals either. I do hope it changes and we are treated like normal citizens as some abuse the power but until then I'll reap the benefits.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 31, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-sexiest-teacher-trouble-over-thong-w-45dbed5.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: under the bar on March 31, 2009, 10:03:28 PM
Quotehttp://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090331/tuk-sexiest-teacher-trouble-over-thong-w-45dbed5.html

All well and good giving us the story O'Neill but wheres the link to the pic in question?? :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on April 02, 2009, 09:58:06 PM

Finish school tomorrow at 2o'clock.
Off for two weeks.
I love my job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 10:52:10 PM
Quote from: maggie on April 02, 2009, 09:58:06 PM

Finish school tomorrow at 2o'clock.
Off for two weeks.
I love my job.

I'm quitting at 12.30.
Should be wrote off by 3.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 02, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
Feckin hell lads, thats brilliant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 10:56:29 PM
Sounds a bit gay to me.

I will pump my dough into the struggling Belfast wateriing houses.

Apparently there may be wemen in the Belfast route so SS2 not allowed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
No, i've decided to take a route from the Stranmillis area to the Duke to a Rooster.

But probably, yes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 02, 2009, 11:07:28 PM
Wasnt there a recent report on the board of a man pimping out a 16 year old and paying her with chicken nuggets?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:09:39 PM
Mmm, you see - you wouldn't get a woman gossiping like thon boy!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2009, 11:15:35 PM
I can testify to the wonderful life of the honourable state employed teacher.  I am married to one and the lifelong economic certainty is indeed greatly reassuring.
On the other hand there is a serious price to pay to be married to these specimens.
She can't cook, never listens, never takes responsibility, she thinks she is unsackable even in the face of blatant slovenly behaviour. She has the illusion that as long as she has some excuse then that makes it okay.
She has an infinite capacity to deflect blame to anyone and anything at anytime. Teachers are not the brightest sparks to be married to.
But I have managed to convince her of the evils of credit cards and with her almost total computer illiteracy I have also to manage the on-line accounting of her monthly fortune that drops into her bank account.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2009, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:13:56 PM
Sure, you'll get a high heel in the back of the nut for telling some blade she has middling hair. Go on the bus run, f**k ye.

Sure the last one I was on they spent a couple of hours phoning the wemen to ask them what they were doing...and they threatened to drown a man from Derry.

Might just stay in and cut some palms.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on April 04, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
I thought i might have met o'neill in the bot tonight but i am just left with frank mitchell.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on April 06, 2009, 09:40:12 AM

Afraid of 5yr olds!!! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7984994.stm)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on April 06, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:13:56 PM
Sure, you'll get a high heel in the back of the nut for telling some blade she has middling hair. Go on the bus run, f**k ye.

He wasn't invited. We'd normally take him to spread the cost of hiring the bus, but we got a free one on Friday.

Quote from: hardstation on April 02, 2009, 11:20:28 PM
No phone reception in Rostrevor. Mrs SS2 will be doing the nut if she doesn't get a call every half hour. 4/7 that she drives down and takes him home by 4 o'clock.

Phone reception in Rostrevor ok. Rang her at 3pm, told her ONeill was already full in the Bot. She said "You should have invited him. Don't wake the children if you get home."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 06, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 04, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
I thought i might have met o'neill in the bot tonight but i am just left with frank mitchell.

Fortunately didn't make it that far. I hope you weren't buying the valiant runners-up a drink!

Roost may be a splendid venue. Just don't go there before 9pm. The Kitchen is a reliable alternative.

Eventually rolled home at 8am. Didn't know we had a rolling pin in the house.

That's it til May.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
Thank fcuk I got the dip! ;D I can spend even MORE time on here now! ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 25, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
Can I just wish all the teachers a restful 7-8 weeks off. You've earned it :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 25, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Eh? I've been off for a month already. Tearing up paper gets boring after a while so I just spend the time sunning. But as you say I deserve. Cocktail anyone? Only 2 months left though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyrone exile on June 25, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Thought holidays didnt start to the end of june?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on June 25, 2009, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 25, 2009, 03:56:15 PM
Eh? I've been off for a month already. Tearing up paper gets boring after a while so I just spend the time sunning. But as you say I deserve. Cocktail anyone? Only 2 months left though
I thought you siad you were running!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 29, 2009, 06:18:14 PM
Seems to be an afterschool cross curricular meetings today for belfast schools in cutters warf
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2009, 05:01:14 PM
The secondary schools get off for three. Us poor oul primary have 2 months off now!!! ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Doogie Browser on July 09, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
'Pupil murder bid' teacher held

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8142428.stm

Summer holidays are too short in England, you don't get that over here.

All joking aside, it seems one of the wee lads is in a bad way, wtf  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 04:25:08 PM
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.

So at least you've admitted teachers aren't 'unemployable just because they're in there'.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on July 16, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin link=topic=8187.msg#msg date=
I wonder do we get it handy... I saw in the Irish Independent today that there was a school in Dublin advertising one temporary job and more than 1200 applications had come in for it. Trouble is, is that I myself applied for a position in the same school!! :(
Yeah it's just teachers who can't get work. Welcome to Ireland , 2009.

So at least you've admitted teachers aren't 'unemployable just because they're in there'.

Sorry not following you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on July 30, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
Would I be right to assume that plenty of teachers will be heading to Croke Park for the Dublin Kerry game?

Lucky bastards.
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Post by: Gaffer on July 30, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
Yip !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on August 22, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 22, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: milltown row on August 22, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
From an 18 hour week to a 30 hour week. How will she cope?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on August 22, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 22, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: milltown row on August 22, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
not long now ;D ;D

wifes back to work this monday for her 'Baker days'  she's dreading this year as she was doing three days for the past 8 years, with the kids now all in school till 3 its boring being off.

more money in the bank, happy days
From an 18 hour week to a 30 hour week. How will she cope?!

She got fed up with the postman.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: milltown row on August 23, 2009, 08:42:01 AM
cheeky bugger, but interesting seeing ours is a postlady :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 08:14:07 AM
Here for the holidays? Not when there are 28 other reasons to be a teacher
Teacher Kate Divilly in St Colmcille's Junior National School, Knocklyon,Dublin.


EDUCATION PROFILE: Short working days, long holidays – don't teachers have the life? Recent controversy over the difference in hours, holidays and professional assessment between Irish teachers and those in the UK only serve to add fuel to that fire, writes GRÁINNE FALLER

But how many people actually know what teachers do on a daily basis?

"People see us working from nine until half two and that's it," says teacher Kate Divilly. "I suppose we don't shout about it, but class time is only part of the job. The smooth running of a classroom can only be achieved through careful planning and preparation, which is done before and after school. It's not formalised, but everyone does it."

Divilly teaches second class in Knocklyon Junior National School. She's 25 and in her fourth year of teaching. "I don't have a permanent job yet. Everyone thinks that teaching is a job for life, but the school lost three teachers last year and I was next in the firing line. Luckily I held onto it, but next year it will be the same situation. Will I have a job at the end of the year?"

This year there are 28 children in Divilly's class, with the usual mix of personalities and abilities.

They put me in good form," she says. "I love coming in every day. It's very intense, though. You never sit down during the day. Children don't wait for you if you're not prepared."

Divilly's working day begins at eight, when she arrives in school. "By the time I come in, the staff car park is full of cars. That's my time to look at my plan for that day. I get all my materials, resources and lessons ready for them before they come in. I have children with special needs in my class, so I have to cater for them as well. It's just important to have everything ready by the time they come in."

After school there are corrections to be done and planning for the following day. Once a week, Divilly coaches GAA skills for an hour.

"Lots of teachers in the school give their time to teach music or choir or drama after school. You don't get paid for it but it's something that people just do. I generally leave school at around four or half-four. But the after- school work isn't optional – if I have to leave early, at three or half-three on a particular day, the corrections and preparation come home with me."

She says the profession has changed greatly in recent years. "I honestly think a lot of teachers' critics are probably thinking of what they experienced when they were in school, Teaching today isn't like it used to be. Nowadays you don't really have a teacher standing at the blackboard dictating to a class. It's a very different job.

"We don't dictate the learning so much as facilitate it. It's a much more hands-on approach. Teachers today deliver the curriculum but there's also this hidden curriculum that basically consists of life skills. You want to instil a sense of self-belief in children, a love for learning."

Upskilling is important: "I wanted to do a Master's this year but I couldn't afford it, so I'm saving up to do it next year." Informal upskilling happens all the time, however. Teachers have to keep up to date with the needs of different children in their classes.

"In my career I've encountered children with various disabilities, hearing impairments, Down's syndrome, autism, Asperger's syndrome, dyslexia, all sorts of things. It's a difficult task to adapt the curriculum if its required, but the rewards are huge when you see how they are developing and improving. The goal for one child could be something as simple as turn taking – but each child with special needs has an individual education plan with different goals and aims."

Contrary to what some believe, Irish teachers are required to keep detailed written records. Lessons are planned in fortnightly blocks. Progress is reviewed monthly in cuntas miosuils, and overall aims are recorded in term and yearly plans.

"Any inspector can come to the school and ask to see these records," says Divilly.

She meets with her colleagues once a week after school to discuss plans and preparation. The issue of formalising such work by extending the working hours of teachers arises in public debate on occasion.

I don't know how much of a difference that would make," she says. "Maybe it would make a difference for the tiny minority who underperform, in that it might force them to devote more time to preparation. But for the most part that work is taking place already."

Divilly currently earns €43,042 before tax. "It's fine, it's not a huge amount, but it's grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I'm really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live."

When asked about today's one-day strike, Divilly looks pained.

"I feel that teachers do a good job that sometimes goes unrecognised. Nobody wants to strike, but I'm a member of a union and I wouldn't like us to be targeted over and over again. I'm willing to take a pay cut – I already have. I'd just like to see the cuts to be fair and across the board rather than aimed at one particular group."

Some argue that if teachers get pay and increments, their performance should be subject to British-style monitoring. Divilly says that the British model is excessive. According to a recent article in these pages, teachers in the UK are assessed six times a year.

"People would be putting all of their energy into paperwork and assessment if that was the case," she says. "But teachers shouldn't be worried about being assessed every now and again if it's for the good of the students. It would have to be fair and it would have to be beneficial for the students. I wouldn't be opposed to the idea if that was the case."

It's a vocation, Divilly maintains. "You have to love it. It's very full on. You're catering for the learning of 28 different children every day. I have parent- teacher meetings coming up – after school, of course – so I'm preparing for them. There's assessment, pupil record forms. You need to monitor their progress in the 12 subjects."

The challenges of the job pale in comparison to the satisfaction Divilly derives from her work.

"I love coming in every day to 28 different personalities. It's all about them. You couldn't do this job if holidays were the reason you chose it. The love of teaching is what keeps you doing it."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on November 24, 2009, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 24, 2009, 08:14:07 AM
It's a vocation, Divilly maintains. "You have to love it. It's very full on. You're catering for the learning of 28 different children every day. I have parent- teacher meetings coming up – after school, of course – so I'm preparing for them. There's assessment, pupil record forms. You need to monitor their progress in the 12 subjects."

The challenges of the job pale in comparison to the satisfaction Divilly derives from her work.

"I love coming in every day to 28 different personalities. It's all about them. You couldn't do this job if holidays were the reason you chose it. The love of teaching is what keeps you doing it."
Such a pile of w**k! Most nurses i know hate when people say that about their own jobs, they are pretty happy to say it is a job. Of course you have to have a certain temperment to do it but that doesnt make a vocation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:11:47 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 24, 2009, 08:14:07 AM


Divilly currently earns €43,042 before tax. "It's fine, it's not a huge amount, but it's grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I'm really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live."


25 ,4 years experience and on 43,042. Jasus how does she manage at all .  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
I take it Gnevin that you think then they are overpaid?
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Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:17:32 AM
I take it Gnevin that you think then they are overpaid?

No but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:23:47 AM
QuoteNo but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.

Didn't think she was saying she was
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on November 24, 2009, 09:25:31 AM
I think the point is that while it is decent pay, it's not an easy job. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 24, 2009, 09:23:47 AM
QuoteNo but she ain't on the breadline like she is making out.

Didn't think she was saying she was

QuoteI wanted to do a Master's this year but I couldn't afford it, so I'm saving up to do it next year.
QuoteIt's fine, it's not a huge amount, but it's grand. My worry is that if we take more cuts, living in Dublin is going to be increasingly difficult. I'm really not complaining, not with the economy the way it is. Money never came into my decision to become a teacher, but I have to be able to live.

Where does she spend her 3,500 a month before tax?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: scud on November 24, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
Enniskillen, if the traffic this morning was anything to go by! Are they having a picket line at Erneside?  ;)
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Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 24, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
Talking to a taxi driver this morning, he reckons there are nearly 3 times more taxis out today due to public sector drivers in their taxis, as they are off today. Driving past several schools and a couple of fire stations this morning, only about 3 picketers on each gate. Where the hell is everyone else?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 11:19:53 AM
On the radio today. Coppers and Flannerys where packed last night. Massive queues into Newry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
QuoteCoppers and Flannerys where packed last night

I know a lot of uni students who planned a big night last night on the basis they didn't have to go in today

QuoteMassive queues into Newry

Inference being that all the public servants aredoing their Christmas shopping?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 24, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
QuoteCoppers and Flannerys where packed last night

I know a lot of uni students who planned a big night last night on the basis they didn't have to go in today

QuoteMassive queues into Newry

Inference being that all the public servants aredoing their Christmas shopping?

That's the inference that the people on the radio are making all right.
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Post by: Bensars on November 24, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
So thats another day to go shopping along with their  official "shopping day" quite a lot get as statutory leave.

Feckin Joke.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maco on March 02, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D

I probably wont get in to Newcastle (although i would love to) as i think they have nearly filled there quota the the 2010 intake but it will be good to get some interview practise. I will probably end up at one of the London uni's. Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.

Quote from: maco on March 02, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.

The Newcastle interview is a 2 min presentation, group interview, 1 to 1 interview and then maths and english test at the end of the day. It starts at 10.30 and doesnt finish until 4.30, thats a **** of a long day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Bensars on March 02, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
QuotePlus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.


Dont worry jim, you'll have the rest of your life to take it handy !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 04:10:48 PM
Quote from: Bensars on March 02, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
QuotePlus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.


Dont worry jim, you'll have the rest of your life to take it handy !

Haha hopefully

By the way it is for primary teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
Anybody ever done an interview for a PGCE in England? I have one in Northumbria University next week and was looking for some tips/advice on the interview process.

If you get it, prepare yourself for what will probably be a year long session in Newcastle  :D

I probably wont get in to Newcastle (although i would love to) as i think they have nearly filled there quota the the 2010 intake but it will be good to get some interview practise. I will probably end up at one of the London uni's. Plus going by the sound of the ones who have done the pgce before it is flat out for the full 10months so you dont get that much time to f**k about like i would have done in belfast.

Quote from: maco on March 02, 2010, 02:37:38 PM
I had one at Bolton Institute back in 2000. It was more of a group task than an interview if I remember correctly. We were put in groups of 4/5 and given a topic to discuss while they observed and noted your input (or lack of input). We then had 1 to 1 interviews, but they were not like the traditional interview where you answer questions in front of a panel. It was more like a friendly, get to know you chat rather than an interview. Was 10 years ago though, so I would imagine things would have changed since then.

The Newcastle interview is a 2 min presentation, group interview, 1 to 1 interview and then maths and english test at the end of the day. It starts at 10.30 and doesnt finish until 4.30, thats a **** of a long day.

Northumbria Universtity is in Newcastle  ??? Where are you doing the interview?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 04:54:31 PM
Aye Northumbria uni is in Newcastle.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on March 02, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
Check the TES website-its free to sign up and theres loads of Q and A on it- bound to be one about PCGE interviews.

Good luck for it.
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Post by: leenie on March 02, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
yo maggie, checked out that sparklebox page... wud be good stuff for entry level...

didn't realise the creator was a peado-head.... shockin!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: leenie on March 02, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
yo maggie, checked out that sparklebox page... wud be good stuff for entry level...

didn't realise the creator was a peado-head.... shockin!

One of the teachers in school was sayin that, shockin stuff. Apparently its a really good website aswell.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: maggie on March 02, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
Check the TES website-its free to sign up and theres loads of Q and A on it- bound to be one about PCGE interviews.

Good luck for it.
[/quote

Thanks Maggie, im already on that site and have got some good info.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 02, 2010, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 02, 2010, 04:54:31 PM
Aye Northumbria uni is in Newcastle.

Aye you said you probably won't get into Newcastle. I thought you meant the the University Of Newcastle..... and not Northumbria, as they also offer the PGCE.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on July 09, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
'Pupil murder bid' teacher held

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8142428.stm

Summer holidays are too short in England, you don't get that over here.

All joking aside, it seems one of the wee lads is in a bad way, wtf  ???

Teacher cleared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/england/nottinghamshire/8652243.stm
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Post by: FermGael on June 05, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
TYP i would say it will go whenever we are asked to pay for it ourselves.
It is only a matter of time before it is disbanded.

Can i also take this opportunity to wish my secondary colleagues in the South all the best on there 3 month summer holidays.
It's just a pity we only get the 2 months in the North.
Another benefit of a united Ireland
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 02:27:27 PM
Aren t they having elections for it soon?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 05, 2010, 04:55:56 PM
TYP I hope Mr Hesketh doesn't lurk here.  Personally I wouldn't miss PMB, CASS and having been overwhelmed with indifference at the Hilton last week, DE and ETI!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 05, 2010, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 05, 2010, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 02:27:27 PM
Aren t they having elections for it soon?

Currently underway.

I really resent the amount spent on GTCNI and other educational quangos when teachers and other employed in education are losing their jobs.  Too much money is being wasted centrally and not gettting to the chalk face.

Would we miss the RTU?
Schools aren't averse to wasting money either. The practice of employing retired teachers on an expensive daily rate is a scandal that needs addressed to keep newly qualified teachers from walking away. Having said that I would guess the supply of new teachers leaving the Ranch and Stran every year far outstrips the demand so new teachers have noone to blame bit themselves to an extent.
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Post by: Ulick on June 05, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
I think the DoE sets the quota on the teacher training places not the Colleges.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 05, 2010, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 05, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
I think the DoE sets the quota on the teacher training places not the Colleges.
Aye I think they cut the quota a couple of years ago. Regardless, if there is no natural wastage due to teachers actually retiring to the golf course then the supply will continue to outstrip demand. I know a fella is qualified 5 years and still hasn't a fulltime permanent post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.


Work on your holidays?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.


Work on your holidays?

99% of them are full time and get paid to be on holiday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 07:09:20 PM
Holiday means you don't work !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 07:52:58 PM
teachers usually start back on the last week of August for training days. as for the staff training and arranging child care, i'd say the majority of teachers are parents and have to arrange child care also!!!

for the non teachers who complain on this board, try teaching and then you'll understand that you need those 8 weeks off in the summer. if you didn't get those holidays you wouldn't get the teachers.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training? They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
Imagine having to look after your own child or arrange alternative care, an outrage.

I think teachers have nothing to cry about but I do have sympathy for them as a lot of parents seem to think they're there to raise the children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?

No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

No they don't . I f you decide to keep your child off school for whatever reason, why would teachers get upset?

Teachers personally don't care, but with the syllabus being so tight kids are being taught right up to the last day. i think you'd be pissed off if your child lot out on part of a topic for the sake of a cheaper holiday, that would say more about a parents selfishness

I personally can't afford family overseas holidays so it doesnt bother me in that respect, but it is a constant school policy complaint.  I work in I.T supporting customers - we all need training to keep up to date with new technologies and all do it on our own time or individually, I think there would be some outcry if the company said this Friday we are all training so support yourselves, and for the individual who stipulated try teaching, no I don't want to, if you do that is your choice.

so your beef about the complaining teachers should be redirected to the Education Board really. are you annoyed that teachers get that that many holidays?

No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
looking after your own children, an outrage
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:58:29 PM
I don't send my childern to school to be looked after I send them to be educated.  Out of school time I manage perfectly well raising my family thank you. Have you many kids yourself ...?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 08:58:29 PM
I don't send my childern to school to be looked after I send them to be educated.  Out of school time I manage perfectly well raising my family thank you. Have you many kids yourself ...?
doesnt sound like it if you're bitching about having to look after them for a few hours.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:05:53 PM
Also as stipulated parents send their school to be educated, you are seriously undermining a highly skilled professional group by inferring they are or they are seen as childminders.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:24:33 PM
eggy. already said that teachers are parents also and need to arrange child minders also, so they also have the same problem you have.

and if you have a problem with that you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:24:33 PM
eggy. already said that teachers are parents also and need to arrange child minders also, so they also have the same problem you have.

and if you have a problem with that you shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

Bit of an extreme view for asking why do teachers have staff training days during term time do you not think?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children

I would ask you to put up or shut up with that comment, I have stated my annoynance at short notice for staff training days and asked why they are in school time. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 05, 2010, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

A teacher's contract is not as good as yours by the sounds of it.  Teachers are only employed for 195 days per year on a daily rate.  By law, those employed on at least a yearly contract must be paid over twelve months, no payment for holidays.  In the not too distant past, teachers were paid over ten months or the school year. They don't have the opportunity to work 235 days like you.  While you have 25 days annual leave you also have at least 12 statutory holidays per annum.

The regulation on term time holidays for families is determined not by teachers but the Dept of Education.  Term time holidays have a seriously detrimental effect on a child's education, almost as much as the summer holidays.

Sorry with pints complaining about parents as usual (at least he's not advocating whacking toddlers this time) I didn't get to say thanks for this answer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 05, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
I was enquring on a teachers thread why staff training days are in term time.  I have no issues looking after my children at anytime the issue is the hassle of getting leave, which sometimes is difficult at short notice - you never answered my - have you many kids yourself ..?
no, we've none, we're in process of adopting at the minute, why?

I certainly don't think teachers are childminders or anything of the sort, a lot of parents however seem to think they are there to raise children.

Good luck with that process, and if successful you will then know that planning is needed for all child care arrangements, you may just have a different attitude of parenting rather than the pure hatred of everything parental and child based that you have spouted over the years.

On the other point I am not one of those parents or know of anyone of that ilk and take exception to be categorized as one.
I know exactly what is needed, thank you. You're the one complaining about looking after your own children

I would ask you to put up or shut up with that comment, I have stated my annoynance at short notice for staff training days and asked why they are in school time.


training days are an integral part of the  school year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: sammymaguire on June 05, 2010, 10:04:14 PM
teachers do get it handy, thats why so many women get into it  :o  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
excuse me, you're the one complaining about looking after your children
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
For any teachers why are staff training days in schools always during term time and on a Friday?  Surely to God the 4 months odd they are off a year training could be penciled in here, there must be at least 2 / 3 every term.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
no not really eggy, listen to yourself.

teachers have those training days at the drop of a hat cause ideas happen and schools want to employ those policies during the year. not the following year!!

to be honest your being very petty, the training days are to help YOUR kids develop.

That is my original statement - take pints anti parenting posts out and my replies to his anti parenting posts - what am i being petty about?
excuse me, you're the one complaining about looking after your children

Again put up or shut up with this comment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
I dont know what you mean by that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern.

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No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
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I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 10:26:03 PM
Point out where I complained about looking after my childern.

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No I am annoyed when my children bring home anote to say next Friday is staff training and school will be closed and I the annoyance to booking a days leave and working late Monday to Thursday to ensure my work is up to date.
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I was referring to holiday probably from a students perspective, I am not a teacher, my contract stipulates 25 days annual leave, does a teachers stipulate then 60 or 70 or whatever all the non-term time adds up to and can none of this non term time not be used for staff training?  They seem to yap enough if you upset them by taking your child out of school for a day whilst on an overseas holiday but all parents can whistle and arrange child care at the drop of a hat when they require "training".

Again put up or shut up - where have i complained about looking after my children, I have mentioned the annoyance of arranging child care at short notice.  You should be more concerned about controlling your seemingly natural instinct of whacking toddlers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
I've already pointed it out to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
I've already pointed it out to you.

Where?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:09:31 PM
Yawn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:17:12 PM
You prove time and time again exactly what you are all about! MOD3 now quickly for the reporting.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
I would have thought you'd remember your own posts on the grinds my gears thread.
I do think there's no harm in slapping children for discipline, within reason of course but I've never slagged off everything parental or child based.
Now, I'm done with you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
Quote from: eggy bread on June 05, 2010, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 05, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
I've no idea what you're talking what, I think it's sad people complain about looking after their own children.
Almost as sad as grown men calling people they've never met and don't know "fat"   ::)

Never complained about looking after my childern - No idea what you are talking about about the bold point - may I ask do you think it's sad/pathetic for a grown man to avocate whacking toddlers, slag off everything parental or child based - and then enter the adoption process - you couldn't make it up!!!!!!!!
I would have thought you'd remember your own posts on the grinds my gears thread.
I do think there's no harm in slapping children for discipline, within reason of course but I've never slagged off everything parental or child based.
Now, I'm done with you.

Quotes please.

I think whacking was your phrase - grown men whacking toddlers usually have an adverse effect on the child, but as long as they are removed from your space so you can enjoy a quite life eh!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 05, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 05, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
In NI we have our own version which is funded by each teacher paying £44 per annum but being NI, the £44 is repaid by the Dept of Education.  Not sure how long this would continue.


Was there a call for this to be introduced? It seemed to be something that emerged from the dark.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 06, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.
Is this mandatory to teach in ccms schools? Does it prevent non-Catholics teaching in ccms schools or can anyone feasibly do the cert?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.

Ive applied for the Life Light course, going to try get most of it done before i start the pgce in Sept. Has anyone on here taken the course?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 06, 2010, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 06, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 08:48:49 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Starting a PGCE Primary in September, anyone done the Catholic Teachers certificate before?

http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/ (http://www.onlineccms.com/teachers/religious-certificate-availability/)

Very helpful to get in touch with someone who has taken the course. ;)

Life Light course from the Derry Diocese is the most popular course taken by most PGCE people needing the certificate.
Is this mandatory to teach in ccms schools? Does it prevent non-Catholics teaching in ccms schools or can anyone feasibly do the cert?

Nope.  Have been teaching in a CCMS school for the last number of years and do not have it.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 03:24:16 PM
If you study in England then you have to do the certificate seperately i think.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2010, 03:24:16 PM
If you study in England then you have to do the certificate seperately i think.

Are you going for primary or secondary, Jim?

Primary. Tough year ahead of me!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 07, 2010, 08:31:21 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 10:58:05 PM
It will be tough in England, expect one good school and one inner city but it will be great training, better than you would have in familiar situations at home.

You will need the RE cert to get a job back home.

Applied for it last week so hope to get the RE cert before i start the PGCE in September. Going with that life light crowd that the lads were talking about earlier. Pain in the ass having to do it over the summer but suppose better doing it now than when i'm in the middle of the PGCE.

Where did you do your PGCE TYP?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 07, 2010, 08:31:21 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 06, 2010, 10:58:05 PM
It will be tough in England, expect one good school and one inner city but it will be great training, better than you would have in familiar situations at home.

You will need the RE cert to get a job back home.

Applied for it last week so hope to get the RE cert before i start the PGCE in September. Going with that life light crowd that the lads were talking about earlier. Pain in the ass having to do it over the summer but suppose better doing it now than when i'm in the middle of the PGCE.

Where did you do your PGCE TYP?
I don't know if they had such a thing back then!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 07, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 07, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
  I had heard that teacher's got it handy

You're slipping, old man. The same thing happened SaffronSam a couple of years ago. It was hard to watch it, in all its horrible glory on this board. For his own good they moved him across to the 'timetable dept' at the school before it became embarrassing for all concerned.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 07, 2010, 11:35:37 PM
There are good teachers.
There are crap teachers.

There are hard working teachers.
There are lazy teachers.

There are teachers who are capable of management.
There are teachers who are not capable of management, but think they are.

I hope everyone is lucky enough to get the first category.
Title: Uisce Beatha
Post by: drici on June 08, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 07, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 07, 2010, 09:44:23 PM
  I had heard that teacher's got it handy

You're slipping, old man. The same thing happened SaffronSam a couple of years ago. It was hard to watch it, in all its horrible glory on this board. For his own good they moved him across to the 'timetable dept' at the school before it became embarrassing for all concerned.

(http://popsop.ru/wp-content/uploads/beam_teachers.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 29, 2010, 09:26:25 PM
So whats the plan, TYP?

Get the handicap down, or 6 weeks on a campsite in the South of France?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2010, 11:00:23 PM
So do teachers get paid during the summer as they do the other 10 months?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2010, 11:13:21 PM
full pay, unreal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 29, 2010, 11:28:41 PM
Teachers might prefer to call it a Retainer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on June 30, 2010, 12:30:00 PM
Happy holidays is right.
Gonna enjoy my lie in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
Seen as I was part-time last school year, I won't be receiving a cent. Unless I go on the dole, which (once again) I won't receive any money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 30, 2010, 02:11:02 PM
and that's that.  enjoy the break
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 30, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

I'd say you're some craic to go drinking with  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on June 30, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

I'd say you're some craic to go drinking with  :)

Ya but I have a long memory. All these Bertiebabes complaining now  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2010, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

Funny then, how someone I know works hard and gets €500 per week. And It's not me by the way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 30, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 02:19:28 PM
My mates are just past 30 and 2 years ago in the pub we figured out if they worked 12 months on their pay scales (before all the add ons) they would be on about €60,000 a year. They thought this was very funny and the big grins on them. But now that the recession is in town these Unionised anchors on the Irish economy are no longer laughing about it, trying to play the beal bocht  >:( I make sure to remind them, nothing more fun than embarrasing a group of people who can never be sacked and never have to meet a performance review where their job is on the line or their level of salary and are ever so smug about it. They are most certainly among the higher income earners in this country but are in denial because they compare themselves to the CEO of AIB or Bono.

Never heard of school inpections?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fearglasmor on June 30, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
We are a great little country for knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
I certainly want the people to whom I entrust my kids education and welfare to be bloody well paid.
Not saying thay are perfect but they do far more valuable work than all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam that suckers us all into believing we have to have the latest shite they dream up work our asses of to get it and when the profit testicles  get squeezed a little we have to make do on less money so we can be more competitive so we can make more money for our betters. Jesus shouldnt we be glad of the opportunity to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 30, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
Quote from: fearglasmor on June 30, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
We are a great little country for knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
I certainly want the people to whom I entrust my kids education and welfare to be bloody well paid.
Not saying thay are perfect but they do far more valuable work than all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam that suckers us all into believing we have to have the latest shite they dream up work our asses of to get it and when the profit testicles  get squeezed a little we have to make do on less money so we can be more competitive so we can make more money for our betters. Jesus shouldnt we be glad of the opportunity to work.

Who do you think prepares all the button pushers trapped in the capitalist scam. If it's a waste of time, sure lets cut an appropriate amount of teachers and lectures.

So based on your views, let's cut all the business, economics, accountancy, maths teachers.

I seem to remember the first person that told me about blue chip bank shares was a teacher, the next was a lecturer. It took a Capitalist to tell me the price of these shares can go up or go down. The teachers and lecturers taught the accepted lies, lets blame them along with the capitalists and ruling classes.

Therefore I blame the failure of Capitalism on ill-prepared Capitalists, it is the educators fault.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 30, 2010, 09:04:39 PM
Anyone notice the absence of a certain poster here called ONeill?

The fecker must have got the cheap boat to France already!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 18, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
Only a week left. Surely time for another trip to Portrush.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 18, 2010, 02:07:34 PM
Only a few weeks of freedom left before I start my PGCE  :o
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
I don't even have a job secured for Sept yet...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 18, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 18, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
D day tomorrow with the AS and A level results out.  Not only will the students discover their fate but the teachers will find out how well their classes have achieved!

The new A* grade at A level will no doubt bring out the usual rubbish about how easy A levels have become because so many students manage to achieve it.  The rules on achieving the A* have been published in advance and anyone reaches A* has certainly earned it!
Great, so in the morning and tomorrow evening when I tune in to the news programmes all I'll hear is some stuck up know it all going on about how easy A levels/GCSEs are.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 27, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardmhachaabu on August 27, 2010, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 27, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!
Already?!?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on August 27, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 27, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!

Same here, although they sent us home early. Too warm apparently.

Back in again on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 27, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 27, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 27, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Couple of Bakers under the belt !!!

Same here, although they sent us home early. Too warm apparently.

Back in again on Tuesday.

Same thing happened with us.
The air conditioning broke in our place.
Health and safety apparently.
Hope they get it fixed for Tuesday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 27, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
I stayed on anyway. There was an uneaten cake.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on August 27, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
I stayed on anyway. There was an uneaten cake.

Was Buchanan off sick?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on August 30, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 27, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
Did you get a chance to show yer blade what I posted about her brother?

Decided not to, she might show it to her brother-in-law, Gearoid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 30, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 30, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 30, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
Mushroom Bar, Grainger St, Newcastle - treble vodka and mixer for £1.95.

Go, enjoy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 31, 2010, 12:05:39 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 30, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 30, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Moving to England on Saturday and starting a PGCE at Northumbria Uni on Monday. Anyone any advice for me? Hope i get through it in one piece.
Mushroom Bar, Grainger St, Newcastle - treble vodka and mixer for £1.95.

Go, enjoy.

I don't think i am going to get the full use out of this fantastic deal going by how much work people say i will have to do. If this sort of deal was available when i was in the holylands i would probably not have got a degree at all right now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on September 04, 2010, 08:43:31 PM
A bit like the alleged enrolment inflation in a Co Donegal secondary school about 10 years ago.  The ex principal is now back in Dublin.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
Sometimes I think I'd like to take just July as the holiday and spread out the other weeks over the year. We're back January 4th next year I think - would happily leave that til the 11th. Two full weeks at Easter perhaps.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on September 11, 2010, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 11, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
There is an excellent argument for spreading the teaching year across the calendar year with more and shorter breaks. It would be better for teachers and children.  Unfortunately, we are governed in too many ways by the universities and the exam system.

It would save money on heating closing for 3/4 weeks at Christmas and not closing in the summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 11, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
I wish I could get a day or two in a classroom.  :-[ :'(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 15, 2010, 12:00:02 PM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on September 15, 2010, 12:17:10 PM
When is it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on September 15, 2010, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2010, 11:57:18 AM
Sometimes I think I'd like to take just July as the holiday and spread out the other weeks over the year. We're back January 4th next year I think - would happily leave that til the 11th. Two full weeks at Easter perhaps.

Year round schools are big over here - and growing each year. Much easier for parents to handle the 3 shorter breaks than one big one in the summer from what friends of mine with kids in these schools have told me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 16, 2010, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 15, 2010, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 15, 2010, 12:00:02 PM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.

Are you having an inspection as well?

No, just yourselves.

Although, I've probably scudded us now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on September 16, 2010, 09:45:51 AM
Are youse not getting a wee informal visit like we are SS2??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 16, 2010, 10:11:39 AM
Quote from: FermGael on September 16, 2010, 09:45:51 AM
Are youse not getting a wee informal visit like we are SS2??

Aye, Tuesday.

When's yours?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on September 16, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
The day after.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2010, 09:49:59 PM
This is your legacy, TYP. Big pressure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2010, 10:33:31 PM
Youse are some craic. We've been audited twice a month since January.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lady GAA GAA on September 16, 2010, 10:36:36 PM
Get a real job, slackers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on September 17, 2010, 12:34:12 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 16, 2010, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 16, 2010, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on September 15, 2010, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 15, 2010, 12:00:02 PM
All teachers dread General Inspections.

I wonder will it cut down the amount of time he spends on the board.

Are you having an inspection as well?

No, just yourselves.

Although, I've probably scudded us now.

All kicks off on the week beginning 18th October.  It's a Standard Inspection, first for 18 years!

How come? All the best for it anyway
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ach you're not able to surf the board and you have to write on the real board.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ach you're not able to surf the board and you have to write on the real board.
Jesus that's rough. My heart goes out to you.

Do schools still have chalkboards?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Rarely even use a wipe board maker.

Now you can mentally project images onto a board. Well, that's the way it is East of the Bann.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on September 18, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
Seriously, what is the big deal about a school inspection?!

Ask your Mrs !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2010, 10:33:31 PM
Youse are some craic. We've been audited twice a month since January.

Doing what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
I hope all the teachers had a great day yesterday. It was World Teachers Day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 16, 2010, 11:22:34 PM
I am studying Primary teaching in Newcastle but they sent us down to do placement in a school in Newham, London for 1 week. Not one child in my class was white or had English as their first language! Had a great time and it was a great experience.  I may try to get my final placement in the same school. Anyone ever teach in Newham by any chance?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 27, 2010, 03:09:42 PM
Any RE teachers on here? I have to teach about the passover and how it is a joyous occasion for the Jewish people. Anyone taught this before?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: wherefromreferee? on December 08, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 08, 2010, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 08, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yOx2KJ-E3eX9pM:)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on December 08, 2010, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 08, 2010, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on December 08, 2010, 01:49:46 PM
How many of you hard working teachers are on 'snow days'?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yOx2KJ-E3eX9pM:)

Snow justice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2011, 05:03:17 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

No point in slagging them off at half 4. Sure even if they were at work they'd be gone by then.

On a serious note, I wouldn't begrudge teachers their holidays. Its pretty well accepted that children can't be taught 52 weeks a year so that isn't their teachers' fault. I don't think its an easy job at all and certainly don't envy anybody in the profession.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 21, 2011, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Off Thursday and Friday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on February 21, 2011, 07:03:36 PM
People slagging off teachers don't know the half of it. They mock the holidays they get but during the summer once you go past the 12th holiday week the countdown is on to going back for a new academic year- they only get 2 weeks at Christmas and just under a fortnight at Easter and only a few days for half terms
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on February 21, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
LL-the northern fuckwits got off last week.
In scotland, they were proposing a 4day school week. I like their thinking.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.

Does nobody ever get addicted to online gambling in all this spare time?

I shouldn't mock, having been reared on teachers' salaries.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 21, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
This is a tough time of the year I think for teachers. I get home at four and it's too dark for golf, too cold for gardening, too early for a beer and the TV is crap. I usually just go to sleep for a couple of hours.

Agreed O'Neill. It is hard to put in the time until the rest of the world finish work. You sleep, I normally check out my Sky +. There's always some programme I can finish off watching.

Does nobody ever get addicted to online gambling in all this spare time?

I shouldn't mock, having been reared on teachers' salaries.

I knew there was some reason  :) I thought you were riding one first though.
O'Neills a teacher ??? Really?...Never knew that but it does explain a lot now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 07:58:41 PM
Who said that? I just get home the same time as them.

(Should be O'Neill's a teacher)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Could be worse you could call out a f**king useless electrician to do a simple job & charge you a ridiculous price for crappy job.

Then if you were to call them back to correct the crappy job... they will gone on some sunshine hoilday with the missus & won't be back for weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Are these fuckwits on holidays again this week?
Whats the story with all the time off they get,should they not be making up time for all the days off they had because of the snow?
Useless f**king hoors they wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit them in the face.

Could be worse you could call out a f**king useless electrician to do a simple job & charge you a ridiculous price for crappy job.

Then if you were to call them back to correct the crappy job... they will gone on some sunshine hoilday with the missus & won't be back for weeks.

Wrong thread ross..
This is the correct one
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3077.0
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

Quote
Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

Quote
Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

A friend of ours is a primary school teacher up in Cavan.
One night we were all out together and I started winding her up about how easy her job was.
I may have went a little too far as she lost the plot and screams at me and says

You think I have it so easy but I'll have you know there was two nights this week that I didn't get home from work till after 5pm!!

At this stage even her husband told her to shut the f**k up and stop embarrassing herself and everyone else just fell around the place laughing at her..ah good times
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

Quote
Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

Having worked in both sectors I firmly believe that teaching is far more demanding than the private sector. But that's just my opinion.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 


Depends on the subject. Also, methodology within the classroom changes all too often and the way you teach (or advised to teach) is often observed/inspected to make sure you're adhering to the recent fad.

Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM

The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Unfortunately, Tony, you are correct. However, I've a feeling this occurs in all sectors of employment. The inability to spell doesn't seem to prevent students achieving straight As and a first class degree, in anything!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 21, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
Quote
Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on February 21, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
What are the employment prospects in the occupied six like for students currently at St  Marys? Friend, who is a teacher, said he was talking to one of his old lecturers at St Marys and he reckoned class sizes were well down on previous years and quite a few of the students would have to go to England to get jobs. Curious as my brother in law is at Queens and is thinking of giving teaching a lash.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 21, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
Quote
Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

Erm, I think you've misread his post. He's on your side.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 10:33:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM


I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

I like to work for my wages.
I wouldn't want a handy job as I'd feel guilty for earning money for doing nothing..ie being a Teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
QuoteI ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
I picked my job/career path because it was something I thought I'd like, enjoy and interest me.
Most people don't choose jobs or careers on the basis of what's handy. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 21, 2011, 09:30:27 PM
I don't understand this planning lessons, for a first year teacher I understand but surely someone teaching years can use the same ones over and over again? I know the curriculum can change and that but it doesn't change that much ffs! 

Quote
Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.
Dry them. Everyone has demands in their job, the trouble with teachers are they think they are the only ones.

Having worked in both sectors I firmly believe that teaching is far more demanding than the private sector. But that's just my opinion.
Aye, well tell that to miners. Pints' point is the most pertinent of the lot, teachers think nobody works like them. I have to tell the missus to wind her neck in every now and again as there are plenty of people busting a gut on less money and a few weeks holidays a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
What everyone outside the teaching profession does and every place of employment outside of schools, respectively.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 21, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 21, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
Quote
Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?

skinner?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 21, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

We have all heard those stories before and no one on this board takes them seriously.

You calling me a liar or are you saying I imagined the whole thing?
Quote
Anyway, your sister has obviously escaped from the chalkface and really gets it handy.

Oh, so now it's a handy number being a head teacher as well, eh? Just sit at the desk all day and do nothing like Mr Burns?

I've never seen so many armchair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks in one place.

I ask again, if teaching is so handy then how come you're not all teachers?
The people you are arguing with are teachers! Where are you on fireside fusiliers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Good man.

They don't have guards in Glenavy. Fire guards? Shin guards? Mud guards?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ballinaman on February 21, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..
True that, Quinns or McGowans on nights with St Pats class parties.....fish...barrel...shotgun!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 21, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
In all honesty, this thread is perhaps the moment things change utterly for the teaching profession. It is obvious that from the insightful postings above on the issue that teachers have finally been found out for what they are - lazy, uneducated and whining spongers.

They've had it so good for too long like the Church, guards and politicians in this country. They think they're above reproach. Well, the tide has finally come in for them. They'll pass it off as some form of inherent jealousy or a case of us being old enough now to rebel against those who used to tell them to shut up or read on.

Enough is enough. I call on the govt to abandon the Summer holidays and demand that no teacher leaves his post until 6pm. Also, back to work the day after St Stephen's to clean their rooms or something.

And don't get me started on nurses.
Good man.

They don't have guards in Glenavy. Fire guards? Shin guards? Mud guards?

Sorry, I meant guide dogs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....

So you married a Nurse you met in Flannery's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 21, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..
True that, Quinns or McGowans on nights with St Pats class parties.....fish...barrel...shotgun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNIIwqafrO4&feature=fvst
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 21, 2011, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 21, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
What are the employment prospects in the occupied six like for students currently at St  Marys? Friend, who is a teacher, said he was talking to one of his old lecturers at St Marys and he reckoned class sizes were well down on previous years and quite a few of the students would have to go to England to get jobs. Curious as my brother in law is at Queens and is thinking of giving teaching a lash.

I'm in England at the moment doing my pgce in primary teaching. I am coming home in June and hoping that I will get enough sub teaching to keep me going until I get a full time post. I have been told it could take me a few years to get any sort of permanent job  >:( 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 21, 2011, 11:44:27 PM
Quote from: ross4life on February 21, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I always found the female teachers you'd meet in Flannery's or Copper Face Jacks a bit looser than the other women like the Nurses and Ban Gardai..
Though they were only good for the riding,you'd never dream of taking one home to meet the Mammy,thats what the Nurses were for..


Apart from Tony Baloney's wife....

So you married a Nurse you met in Flannery's?

Flannerys isn't in Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 21, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 21, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2011, 07:40:27 PM
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time now, haven't read it all.

My sister's a principal and I can tell you some stories about what she saw when working her way up that ladder in the comprehensive system in England.

Teaching a lesson takes a bit longer than the half hour it takes to teach it to one class.  You'll have to teach it to several classes during the day.  You have to plan the lesson ahead of time, something that can add another few hours on the night before.  Then you have to mark the homework from it, add another half hour or an hour for that.

Any time I went to visit my sister during the week she'd come home around the same time as the rest of us (teachers have all sorts of meetings to go to after the pupils have gone) and after grabbing something to eat she'd spend the rest of the evening marking homework from the day and preparing lessons for the next.  You'd be doing well if you have all that done by 9pm.

Then there's the stuff you have to put up with during the day. Imagine you're put in charge of a room of 30 adolescents, maybe three of them want to work, half of them aren't terribly fussed, and then another three of them who are borderline psychotic and violent.  One of them disrupts your nicely planned lesson, you have to discipline him without laying a finger on him, and keep the rest of the class under control without screaming at the top of your lungs (because that would be a sure sign that you've lost it).  You put him outside the room and he's making gorilla noises, beating his chest and throwing himself up against the door, and half the class is laughing at him instead of learning.*  What do you do now, hmm? How would you deal with it? "Kick the crap out of him?" If you want to get fired, do time, and never work as a teacher again, go right ahead.

Seriously lads, do you think you could do it?

And then you get up and do it all again the following day.  I'll tell you one thing, if I had to do that I'd make sure I had all the holidays I could take.  You're basically working from 8am to 9pm in a stressful job five days a week.  Just because you're working at home doesn't mean it's not work.  Sure plenty of people in the private sector 'telecommute' by working remotely from a home office.  Are they not really working because they happen to be based at home?

But then what do I know? 

I'll tell you what.  If teaching's such a handy number and so well paid, why don't youse all become teachers?  Sure if it's just "babysitting" as someone called it and only worth minimum wage then it can't be that important, eh?  Churning out the next generation and being the deciding factor in whether or not someone turns out a criminal or a productive member of society, sure how could anyone consider that an important job? "Education?" Ha! Who needs it?

::)

*Based on actual events and fairly typical in some schools.
f**k them, a lot of them are dregs that couldn't work in the private sector. They go from college to school without seeing a proper days work or getting any life skills. Most of them would be unemployable in the real world. Gone are the days when teaching was a calling. It's now a handy number for the educationally substandard. The missus is in charge of new teachers and has had to correct spelling and grammar errors in their work.

*If this missus is reading this, I don't mean you dear!

Tell us what a 'proper day's work' is or indeed what the 'real world' is.
What everyone outside the teaching profession does and every place of employment outside of schools, respectively.


Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 22, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.

If you taught in Ballymun you would probably be one of those teachers who volunteer to come in early a few mornings a week to provide breakfasts to that percentage of its kids who would otherwise sit there hungry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2011, 03:57:59 PM
Far play to william  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 06:01:58 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Bin men and doctors have important jobs so I'm not sure what your point is. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is not a cushy number that any old eejit could do.

Am I getting through here or am I just talking to the walls?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 22, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1

I don't think you could do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on February 22, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Read my lips. My point is that teaching is a cushy number that any old eejit could do.


+1

I don't think you could do it.

Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.

Written like a man that didn't pay much heed to his English teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
Either do I,I'd get bored with nothing to do for my 3 months a year holidays.

Written like a man that didn't pay much heed to his English teacher.

There was a leaf on her driveway that day,she wasn't able make it into school.
It's all good though as I'm sure she still got paid for the day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 01:41:49 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 12:23:13 AM

Rubbish reply. Pathetic !

Put on the spot and you crumbled .

I'd love to put some of these boys in front of a room full of teenagers from Ballymun and asked to keep them under control and teach them something they don't want to learn.  We'd soon see how easy it is.
Again, we could all outline the stresses and strains of our jobs and ask the same question. What makes you think teachers are so special?

I didn't say they were "special" or that their jobs are the most stressful. I said that teaching is an important job (really, it's a big deal whether or not your child goes on to get a degree or not) and that it's not the "cushy number" that the know-alls on this thread are making it out to be.
Sure you could say every job was an important job. I don't think it's a cushy number  but teachers (some) going on about their job being the most important and stressful job in the whole wide world gets up my nose. You'd swear they were killed, and it's very hard to have sympathy for someone with so many holidays!

The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
Maybe I'm in a lucky environment but I never hear a teaching moaning about the fact that they're a teacher. Where do these teachers exist?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 22, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
Maybe I'm in a lucky environment but I never hear a teaching moaning about the fact that they're a teacher. Where do these teachers exist?
Their union representatives do their moaning for them. That's what your sub is for.

Okay teachers are alright. See those union feckers...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on February 22, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?

It would really depend what the degree was in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
There are various reasons why some teachers may complain


Working with kids that are not interested in learning.

Disruptive kids with serious learning difficulties who should be taught by specialized teachers in smaller classes.

Headmasters pushing teachers/departments to reach targets/results with students that struggle.

Taking abuse from students and getting no support from headmasters in dealing with it.

I delivered a class today on workshop calculations, the topic, BODMAS

I'd three in my class that struggled with this sum

22 - (4x5) =

These lads are holding down placements in local engineering firms, skills wise they are fine, 2 hours later though they finally got their heads around it and managed to complete a few worksheets and were happy to move on to the next subject.

Teachers can't be blamed for that, can they?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 22, 2011, 10:13:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?

If that's what someone wants then fair play to them but I don't think it's vital that you have one to succeed in life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 22, 2011, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!

Do not worry about that Tony.
we are taking Union action to try and bring that sort of inequality between the UK and NI to an end.
We will persevere....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 22, 2011, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Some craic here. Is it just the holidays that piss people off about teachers?

I think they should get more time off so they can de-stress, come back more refreshed for the new term.

More money would be a good idea also, because with all the extra time off I'll be able to go skiing and get a better car and add on that extension to my sun room
The holidays aren't the problem, especially not in my gaff as it means no childcare payments over the summer. Like Pints says the problem is people get sick listening to them moaning about their hard lot. They get paid 30-40 grand a year and get about 12 weeks holidays. They're not exactly working down a mine or pulling back to back shifts in hospital. If they hate the life so much they can always jack it in. In England I think they have 10% of their time ringfenced for preparation time! What the f**k were they doing all summer?!


On holidays of course.  maybe you expect them to work during their holidays, do you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 22, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
If we're being honest, anyone without a degree to their name is only half a person, a chav. I would never marry a degreeless woman. It'd be like courting a piece of wood.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
The bit in bold I don't understand, it's not a big deal whether or not your child gets a degree. Your statement is a prime example of exactly what's wrong with the education system.

So you don't think it's a big deal if you get a degree or not in today's world?
No, why would it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 22, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 22, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

Given that you are in the US, a degree is a bit like an AS level in N.Ireland. 

In fact, we have people over here who bought their degrees from the Bob Jones University (http://www.bju.edu/) in the US.

They've been known to give out a few doctorates as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:11:09 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on February 22, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

Given that you are in the US, a degree is a bit like an AS level in N.Ireland. 

In fact, we have people over here who bought their degrees from the Bob Jones University (http://www.bju.edu/) in the US.
Speak for yourself. I got my degree in England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 23, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
jesus, these degrees really are the be all and end all all of a sudden;
if you dont have one certain people would hardly talk to you, much less want to work with you..

its a mad mad mad mad world. mad
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyrone girl on February 23, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 22, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

I would rather work with someone with experience over a degree, you sound as though you put a degree down as some sort of social status.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 23, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
tyrone girl; thats what i was tryin to say; you did it far far better ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
So what have we learned here?

IMO opinion they do have it f**king easy; some of my closest mates are teachers and openly admit it, even when they are bitching about the little cnuts and their bigger cnuts of parents.

thebigfella BSc, MSc, PhD  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 23, 2011, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
So what have we learned here?

some of my closest mates are teachers and openly admit it

That's the first step.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
Is it not just repetition, repetition - when I was doing my GCES's, A-Levels some teachers got us to mark each others homework.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
Is it not just repetition, repetition - when I was doing my GCES's, A-Levels some teachers got us to mark each others homework.  ::)
Using peer assessment is good practice. It reinforces the learning from the previous lesson.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 23, 2011, 12:35:46 PM
And it gives sir a break for a smoke.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
And stops him having to do it himself.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
Well there is no point in both the teacher and the students doing it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
So there's no reason why anyone should be unemployed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 23, 2011, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
Well there is no point in both the teacher and the students doing it.

The student isn't getting paid to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
Good point but the teacher is getting paid to teach and if it reinforces the learning as I said earlier then they are doing their job.

By the way I think teaching is handy but them so are a lot of professions. What difference does it make if it's handy as long as the job gets done?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: J70 on February 23, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
Personally, there is no sum that I would consider adequate compensation to put up with the bullshit and stress of trying to control and teach entitled, obnoxious, immature kids. I wonder how long some of the dismissive boys here would last at it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 11:09:19 PM
Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
I can only go on the wages i know for a fact ( aas i signed off their sheets!!) that worked for our crowd as well as shuttering lads getting 250/shift for the guts of 10 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
Quote from: ludermor on February 23, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
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Well obviously if it's a requirement for what you want to do but then if it isn't, and there are equally good jobs where degrees are not needed, it doesnt matter, does it.

Jobs that require degrees usually pay better than ones that don't.
Really? do you know what trademen were earning the last 10 years ( i know there is feck all work now but that is the case with lots of jobs!). You could have 10 degrees and not earn in a year what some of them were earning!
:D That's a big a myth as the one doing the rounds now that there is no work for anyone...anywhere!
Plenty of work for anyone who thinks outside the box and gets off their holes to do something about it..
I can only go on the wages i know for a fact ( aas i signed off their sheets!!) that worked for our crowd as well as shuttering lads getting 250/shift for the guts of 10 years.

The guys doing the signing off were the fellas on the big bucks   ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on February 23, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on February 23, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
No, I have a high opinion of doing the thing right. Is that okay with you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 23, 2011, 06:52:34 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
No, I have a high opinion of doing the thing right. Is that okay with you?

It's hardly that hard to flip a few burgers is it?
Only thing that might be easier is being a Teacher...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
I'm calling wum, no one could be that big of a p***k. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 23, 2011, 07:32:38 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 23, 2011, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 05:55:47 PM
Quote from: tyrone girl on February 23, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
No, why would it?

Because if you want to work in certain fields then you need a degree, and it's becoming a more common requirement than it used to be. Our company doesn't hire anyone without a degree and I certainly wouldn't want to work with someone that doesn't have one.

That comment makes u sound like a p***k. I have a degree so am i qualified enough to tell u that  ::) ::) ::)

No, it makes me sound like I want to work with people that are qualified to be here and not have to babysit anyone. I've had to hire people at this place before and I can tell you that anyone who sends in a CV that says they don't have a degree usually gets dismissed out of hand unless they have some other major selling point, but it had better be good. This company has tried hiring under qualified people before and it's been a disaster. Ask someone to do a half hour job and it takes him three days to figure it out. F*ck that sh|t, we've got work to do.

Hmmmm you've obviously a high opinion of yourself and the importance of your job ::)
I'm calling wum, no one could be that big of a p***k.

O'Neill has to be in on this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.

Right. So if you have a degree then you have more options open to you. So how well you do in school has some bearing on whether you get a degree. How good your teacher is has a big impact on how well you do in school. Hence, teaching is important, and as already explained it's not the cakewalk people are making it out to be.

Sorry if it's not a popular view, but there it is.

One concession I'll make though, it can be very hard to get an incompetent teacher removed. Unions have a lot to answer for there. I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
Eammon - you seem to post rationally on most of what you contribute to - but you're digging yourself an unmerciful hole here.

Fact is that undergraduate degrees (and some post graduate degrees) no longer carry the weight of old. It's a measuring stick, yes - depending on the skills and knowledge required for the job.

Right. So if you have a degree then you have more options open to you. So how well you do in school has some bearing on whether you get a degree. How good your teacher is has a big impact on how well you do in school. Hence, teaching is important, and as already explained it's not the cakewalk people are making it out to be.

Sorry if it's not a popular view, but there it is.

One concession I'll make though, it can be very hard to get an incompetent teacher removed. Unions have a lot to answer for there. I'll give you that.
Not necessarily chap.  I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far. Fair enough there is no sell by date on it but it doesn't guarentee you squat.  I'd say I'm not the only one in the position of having graduated and not got a job in the area they want or thought they would be in.  Though I'm luckier than those that have no job at all.

Three teachers in my family and only one seems to get it handy.  The sister always seems to be planning or marking and has a shed load of books to cart around.  She said that her class had 7 different English books between exercise and reading books.  And this is a primary school class.  How does any child under 11 need 7 books for 1 subject?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
How can you do one year postgrad and become a teacher? surely that isnt right when you consider the length of training associated with other professions?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AZOffaly on February 23, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.

Do Bachelors degrees only take 3 years in the north?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2011, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 23, 2011, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Because your degree took three years and one year to learn to be a teacher makes that 4 years!! plenty.  Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

Degree isnt in teaching, however.

Do Bachelors degrees only take 3 years in the north?

Yes AZ, the standard degree in the North would be 3 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 10:13:26 PM
Depends where you go AZ. Many (most) of the universtiy courses at UU have an industrial diploma built in to the time frame - generally one years work placement in a relevant field between the 2 and final years.

Eammon - degrees are not stand alone pathways to more options - if anything, many of them pigeon hole you in the aspects of the field in which the degree is from. A degree and successful pathway to California are not inextricably linked. Your degree and your success are - but this is not the case for every degree. A lot more than the letters after your name got you there - and anyone can have those same attributes (hard work, cop on, desire) without having the degree.  If you wish to be an engineer, a vet, accountant etc - degrees are essential. If you just wish to be successful in life and work - not having a degree doesnt close doors to you. It might close the accountancy door (just as an example) -but not all.

The fact remains though that if you've two different candidates for the same job - one with a relevant degree and one without - the degree holder will likely get that position (unless they are a complete disaster of a person, bad references, etc).
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
So would you say someone teaching with a degree in math, and a post grad in teaching should not be teaching?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:20:45 PM
I wasn't really gonna weigh in on this because i am a teacher and have gone the route of the 3 year grad, then MA, then i year post grad. Now in terms of which route produces better I have to be honest and say that it doesn't matter a damn which route you take, it really depends on the individual. A good teacher will shine through whichever route they choose. I've seen crap teachers from the post grad route and crap teachers from the 4 year route. and vice versa for good teachers.

Now on the issue of teachers getting i handy. Holidays are absolutely fantastic. No doubt about it. The summer is such a great time to be a teacher. Other holidays during the year though do tend to be littered with marking and reports. I like to think that the summer holidays are basically overtime pay for the nights spent working til 9 or 10 or to be honest (overtime isn't paid otherwise). i've spent many a night into the wee hours...granted not every teacher is like this but the dedicated ones are like this. There are teachers and many other professionals who do very little work and it generally reflects in their final product.

I'm currently on a long sub and had last week off, but because i was a sub ( i get paid by the day) I didn't get paid for that time off, yet i was marking tests, coursework and reading up on different subjects simply to enhance knowledge. I wouldn't complain about it, i just do it because it has to be done. Hopefully it shows a few doubters that teachers don't simply work 9 to half 3 or whatever and go home.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on February 23, 2011, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:20:45 PM
i've spent many a night into the wee hours...granted not every teacher is like this but the dedicated ones are like this. There are teachers and many other professionals who do very little work and it generally reflects in their final product.

I'm currently on a long sub and had last week off, but because i was a sub ( i get paid by the day) I didn't get paid for that time off, yet i was marking tests, coursework and reading up on different subjects simply to enhance knowledge.

Phoc that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Big Puff on February 23, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
So would you say someone teaching with a degree in math, and a post grad in teaching should not be teaching?

Depends what they are teaching obviously enough  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
But would it be fair that some with a degree in math and a year PGCE course, have more knowledge in that subject so in turn would be better placed to teach it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 23, 2011, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
But would it be fair that some with a degree in math and a year PGCE course, have more knowledge in that subject so in turn would be better placed to teach it?
Only if we're talking about a higher level than, say, primary. Aren't most St Mary's degrees in Primary Ed? For secondary and particularly A Level, would agree with you. 
Heard a story from my sis (English teacher in a Belfast Grammar) - a new English teacher in her dept confessed to the librarian that she hated reading and hadn't read a book for fun since uni. Shocking! As an accountant I need to do CPD to ensure I keep qualified - please tell me teachers do too.

Puck, on your point, you can actually take the accounting technician route to becoming chartered, you don't actually need a degree!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 11:01:33 PM
Quote from: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.

I agree that teaching is not for everyone?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Take the "burger flipping" comment up with the man who made it. It wasn't me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: Poc me on February 23, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: Just Puck It on February 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 23, 2011, 09:57:28 PM
Question, who makes better teachers? Ones who do the post grad or the ones who go to training school?

In my opinion the students who go to a training college, (Stranmillis or St Mary's in the North) are set well ahead in terms of preparation for becoming a teacher.  St Mary's students spend over a third of their time each year in an intensive placement situation, with continuous observation and assessment - over a four year course. 

Although students who do the PGCE do have an intensive year of work alongside a number of intensive placements, it's only one year.  They have no time to develop skills in comparison to those at the training college.  Should you be at St Mary's and make the discovery in your first year that you find classroom management to be tough, you have another three years to perfect and develop your skills - likewise for any other teaching skills/strategies. 

Just my opinion - open to debate - this could make for a more interesting discussion than whether or not teachers get it handy!

Your right on one thing, it is a more interesting discussion than that other myth. You get things as handy as you want them!

I wouldn't agree though on the route of your degree. It really balances itself out, the degree route gives you a higher level of expertise in your subject area but obviously the teaching intensive course at St. Mary's etc. gives you a stronger insight into the teaching profession. In saying that, i maintain that teaching is a natural thing for some people and it wouldn't matter if they did a post grad or 4 year course they would still be a good teacher. Teaching is still avocation for the best teachers.

Just as we were on the topic, I had a word with someone I know who is currently a student of St Mary's.  She said that the time they spend each week in their own subject area is actually close if not equal to that of what her friends do at Queens, doing the same subject.  She also said that the primary and secondary students in each department do the exact same course - not sure if this is a good or bad thing?  It obviously means that the primary students are doing more than enough in their field, but are the secondary students being catered for?  Suppose it keeps the options open for primary teachers to teach in secondary once they qualify.

I sometimes think that the PGCE route to teaching can be a bit of an insult to the profession?  I'm not tarring at teachers who go through the PCGE route with the same brush as some of them make excellent teachers, but it seems to me that some people who graduate with a degree decide to go down the PCGE route as soon as they can't get a job?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 23, 2011, 09:42:55 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on February 23, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
I have one and it has been shite all use to me so far.

Mine was plenty of use to me, even though I ended up working in a different field from what my degree was in. Landed me a job in California eventually. The company helped me to relocate and sorted out my visa for me. None of this would have happened if I didn't have a degree. Fact.

I know some people who got degrees and couldn't do much with them, but that's down to where they live. If you live in a decent sized city then there's plenty more options open to you.
and you think those without degrees are flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Take the "burger flipping" comment up with the man who made it. It wasn't me.
Why don't you answer the question.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on February 24, 2011, 03:36:39 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)

The burger-flippers in McDonald's get it handy, them bad-boys are cooked simultaneously on both sides! The art of the flipper is not like the old days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 10:21:18 AM
Diligently.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: ardal on February 24, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: ardal on February 24, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Ahhh you're a christian brother so:

Do you want the future taught by teachers who want a wage or who want to encourage kids to think?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 11:22:44 AM
Quote from: ardal on February 24, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 24, 2011, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: ardal on February 24, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Olly on February 24, 2011, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: Hardy on February 24, 2011, 08:58:41 AM
Burger flipping is not as easy as it looks.  You try spending a four hour shift (with only five breaks) trying to control queues of disruptive customers who don't want to be there. We burger flippers put in a lot of hours you don't see. It's not just the time spent at the counter. Then when you go home you have to prepare for the next day's burger flipping.

I'm interested in this. How do you prepare for the next day's burger flipping?

Yoga or other forms of mediatation.


Teaching is not a qualification, it's a vocation

Is it in your hole.   ::)   ::)  ::) ::)

Ahhh you're a christian brother so:

Do you want the future taught by teachers who want a wage or who want to encourage kids to think?

Teaching kids to think and teaching kids to pass exams are not one and the same thing.

If you're teaching kids to think then well done you, but you are in the minority in your vocation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 24, 2011, 12:04:59 PM
How do you know it's a minority?

Think about the impact that the obnoxious "my Billy is a genius" parents have had on the teaching sector, and then we have the "sue you culture", you would have to be insane to be a teacher for the wage. It'd be nice if we supported our kid's teachers before we sued them.

Parents vote, Politicians want league tables, don't complain about kids being prepped only to pass exams, do something about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 24, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.
Your friend is very modest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again.
I did. Now what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on February 24, 2011, 05:54:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
After my "friend" started university she went to work in McDonald's.  Burger flipping is not accurate as someone rightly pointed out.  It's more about the "basket of fries shaking" these days. 

Came home from shaking chips one night to find a message telling her she'd won an entrance scholarship to Queen's as she was one of their top academic entrants that year (it's all gone WAY downhill from there).  Just proving that you can't judge a chip shaker by their McDonald's uniform.

I respect the flippers. Me I am just an apprentice flipper but someday I hope to be a fully fledged burger flipper.

Might even get my own spatula.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 24, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 24, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I'm damned if I know why I'm being asked this, but no, I don't think anyone without a degree is flipping burgers in McDonalds. Happy now?  ::)
Um, read the question again.
I did. Now what?
Jeeze, I thought you had a degree  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerrykeegan on March 14, 2011, 01:29:36 PM
You would be happy to see this girl walk into your common room rather than O'Neills grumpy head.


http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jenny-dixon-the-dublin-teacher-who-holidays-at-the-playboy-mansion-2578740.html?ino=2#wcol

Jenny Dixon: The Dublin teacher who holidays at the Playboy Mansion
Jenny Dixon recalls standing at the bar in the PlayboyMansion: 'I remember thinking how ridiculous it was. Out of the corner of my eye I could see Heidi and Spencer, as well as Brodie Jenner, from 'The Hills' chatting, while everywhere I looked there were waiters with trays of lobster, caviarand sushi.

"The guy beside me smiled and said, 'You'll be too shy, so I'll introduce you', and tapped the guy in front of me. When he turned round it was Simon Cowell, who was having a pint with his friends. Knowing that in a few months I'd be back in school, standing in front of a class teaching digestion, just made the whole experience even more surreal."

There probably aren't many teachers whose stories start with phrases such as "I was standing at the bar in the Playboy Mansion", but Jenny Dixon isn't a run-of-the-mill teacher. For a start, the 28-year-old Dubliner, who works at a northside Dublin boys' secondary school, looks nothing like your average maths or science teacher.

She turns several heads with her bronzed legs, short skirt and cascading blonde curls as she walks through the tables of businessmen for our interview in a Ballsbridge hotel, so God only knows what effect she must have on classes of hormonal schoolboys.

In fact, if her good looks alone have a room of men panting, this next bit of information would send them into a frenzy. In her spare time, Miss Dixon flies to LA and lives it up at the Playboy Mansion.

It sounds the stuff of a teenage boy's fantasy: the strict school ma'am who, after school hours, transforms into a bikini-clad model, but, for the past two-and-a-half years, that's exactly the dual lifestyle Dixon's been living.

It started after a break-up with a boyfriend that she'd been dating for six years. Instead of going through the traditional post-break-up routine of getting a new hair cut, getting riotously drunk with friends before sending ill-advised, 3am text messages to the ex, Jenny opted for a plane ticket to LA and the chance to indulge a dream of launching a second career.

"Suddenly I'd no ties," explains Dixon. "I wanted to see if I could set up in a new city where I knew nobody and make a go of it with modelling, acting and presenting work. All through school I was very quiet and focused on books and grades — I was a bit of a nerd, but I always fancied doing something a little bit glamorous. This felt like my opportunity.

"I flew to LA knowing that I could come back at any time, but I ended up staying the full three months and only flew back the day before school started up again.

" For her first two weeks she was holed up in a cheap hostel in the gangster hub on Inglewood, spending hours on the internet trying to find somewhere better. She soon did, snapping up a room in an apartment off Sunset Boulevard and up from Melrose, lodging with eccentric, ageing supermodel Root Derujinsky.

The New Yorker was ill with cancer, and has since passed away, but, even in her twilight years, she was notorious for taking starry eyed, hopeful actresses under her wing. "Root was an incredible woman," says Dixon. "She would sit, with her medicinal marijuana and glass of red, pushing me to go to parties, telling me to 'get dressed, smile and be nice to the men'. I laughed, but I took it on board at the same time."

Through contacts of Root's, Dixon got a crash course in LA's clubs and parties, dancing alongside MTV camera crews from 'The Hills' in Les Deux, Playhouse and Area and sipping cocktails on Millionaires Row in Malibu. It was also through Root that she met Hugh Hefner.

"Root said, 'You're more Californianlooking than you are Irish. He's just up the road — go and introduce yourself '," recalls Dixon. "I sent my portfolio and put in a bit of effort, writing a note on pink paper and spraying it with perfume, and the next thing I got an invite to the Midsummer Night's Dream Party."

For those uninitiated in the ways of the Playboy Mansion, the Midsummer Night's Dream Party is the biggest event of Hugh Hefner's calendar year. The event sees hundreds of celebrities descend on the grounds for a night of no-holdsbarred fun. Businessmen desperate to impress clients can buy tickets for as much as ¤10,000 and the dress code, as so often is the case for Hugh's parties, is lingerie.

"I bought a lovely silk white corset and matching frilled skirt bottoms from Trashy Lingerie, which is even pricier than Agent Provocateur," says Dixon. "I really splashed out, but, I figured, how often do you get an invite to the Playboy Mansion?"

Even now, having returned every couple of months since that first visit, and being one of only a few people to warrant a permanent spot on the mansion's guest list, Dixon remains wide-eyed when describing the infamous grounds. "It's like a wonderland for adults," she smiles. "The trampolining, the hoola hooping, all the clichés are there. The grounds are manicured to the hilt, with exotic birds and peacocks roaming around. Inside, it's all plush gold and marble, and everywhere smells of the food prepared on-site by the chefs.

"On one occasion there was a 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' theme, with candy everywhere and little people dressed as Oompa-Loompas. Everywhere you look there are eight-tier cakestands with handmade cakes and platters of delicious appetisers. There's no expense spared and a dollar never crosses the bar."

And, of course, there are the celebrities. As well as schmoozing with a "humble and shy" Simon Cowell, Dixon danced on stage with Sean Kingston, chatted with the producers of 'Mad Men' and 'Make Me A Supermodel', sat next to Jamie Foxx and met the founder of Motown.

There is also the grotto. "There's always swimming in the grotto and clothes are optional," she laughs, before hastily adding that her own skimpy but costly outfit stayed on. "It's a very liberal place and I think a lot of guys feel as if they are in a candy shop." She coyly adds that "romances blossom" amid the sweaty nakedness of the notorious steamy cave, but never for her. She says: "I always found everyone very gentlemanly, but I think if you give off a certain demeanour, that's how you'll get treated."

Her parents — her mum's an artist and dad is an electrician — she insists, are fine with their only daughter's trips to the mansion and proud of her photo shoots (never nude), acting roles — which include a lead in as-yetunreleased movie 'Heat on the Delta' — and various stints as a bikini girl on the reality show 'Girls of the Playboy Mansion', which followed the lives of Hefner's previous live-in girlfriends, Holly, Kendra and Bridget (and yes, he was dating them all at the same time).

She has also done modelling slots on 'Ireland AM' and presenting work in Dublin, much to the intrigue of her students.

"Sometimes I'll come into class and a pupil will say, 'Miss, your hair looks nice, were you on 'Ireland AM' this morning?' or they'll say that they saw me in a Taio Cruz music video, but, for the most part, they just think of me as Miss Dixon who pushes them to get the best grades they can," Dixon says. "They're teenagers and they don't care about teachers having a life outside school — even if they see you out shopping they think it's weird."

It seems hard to believe that even selfobsessed teens would think appearing on an MTV website for 'The Girl Next Door' is akin to being seen in Dunnes picking up a pint of milk, especially given one awestruck pupil's comment of "she's my chemistry teacher and she's frickin hot" on a YouTube clip of the teacher doing an interview with USA Live Channel.

It might also be expected that some of the more conservative parents could have some choice words to say about their son's teacher hanging out with the world's most famous soft-pornographer. But, according to Dixon, there's been nothing but support for her extra-curricular pursuits.

"I can honestly say I've never had any negative feedback from parents or colleagues," insists Dixon, who, anxious parents will be pleased to note, dons a more demure ensemble of skirts and jackets when in teaching mode. "I think Hugh has an almost legendary status and meeting him is almost like meeting the president or something — he's become an icon in popular culture that people feel comfortable with. Yes, he's had a colourful life, but so have a lot of people."

Despite his bedhopping past, Dixon's insistent that it's true love between the 84-yearold mogul and his playmate fiancée, Crystal Harris (24). "I think it's great Hugh's getting married. I know the rules of society might disagree, but I think good for him. Crystal's one of the nicest girls out there. She's really kind and considerate, they're both really happy and he's really committed to her."

She adds: "A lot of what people think they know about Hugh is just media hype, a manufactured persona. Personally, I've always found him to be the perfect gentleman and very warm, generous and welcoming.

"I remember going to get my picture taken with him one Sunday when he was sitting playing chequers — which he does a lot, and he's always in his smoking jacket — and he said, 'I remember you Irish'. Jack Osbourne started calling me Irish at a party once and the nickname stuck, because there aren't many Irish girls at the mansion.

"I thought to Hugh I'd just be blonde number 2,074, but he's lovely. The first thing you notice about him is his smile — it goes from ear to ear. In photos he puts his arm around you and gives you a hug, but it's more of an uncle vibe off him; he's very tongue in cheek."

Of Hef's former girlfriend, Holly Madison, who now has her own MTV show 'Holly's World', Dixon is likewise full of praise. In fact, it seems that Disneyland may just have to give over its crown to the Playboy Mansion as the happiest place on earth. "Holly is great and very intelligent, so it's a great move for her getting her own show," says Dixon.

"It really annoys me when people try to write the girls off as bimbos or bitches. Okay, maybe one in 10 might fit the vacuous stereotype, but the rest are lawyers, doctors and make-up artists who like to curl their hair, put on their outfits and go to the mansion at the weekends, before going back to their taxing jobs on Monday morning." She adds: "It's really not a bitchy environment. When you're somewhere sunny where money is no object, I think it's easier to be happy and positive. I remember coming back from a photoshoot and my hair extensions weren't sitting right. Straight away a girl I hadn't even met ran over to fix them for me. I just thought, 'wow, how nice'. Then we carried on sipping fruit cocktails by the pool."

She does concede that there is a certain look that helps to make you a regular on the Playboy Mansion's exclusive guest list. "You don't have to be blonde, but it helps." She laughs: "I once saw a picture of a few of us at the mansion and couldn't pick out who I was, which was a bit scary. We all have the same hairdresser and, after a while, you do start to morph. That's when I knew it was time to get back to Ireland for a while."

She adds: "But I wouldn't be tempted down the surgery route. Boobs are everywhere there and I feel a bit like I'm in 2D — you can't help but stare and worry that you're going to bounce off everyone! But I'm comfortable in my own style and for the work I want to be doing it suits me not to be all lips and boobs."

What she wants to do is continue down the acting and presenting route while also keeping the job she loves — teaching.

The surreal mix, she says, works for her and she's determined not to move to LA —despite being told she has a home for life at the apartment now run by her landlady's daughter — for fear of becoming "a statistic in the out-ofwork- actress-waiting-tables bracket".

She also turned down a job presenting Playboy TV, preferring not to appear on live TV in a small bikini, and she has no intention of entering the centrefold hall of fame. "For the moment, I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I think my trips to LA give me an energy and excitement that helps make me a better teacher. "My goal is always to do something I'm really proud of, and whether that's going for a first at university, helping my students work for science week, doing a photoshoot or chilling out at the Playboy Mansion, I give it my all."

And with that, the tanned legs and blonde locks exit the hotel, while a room full of businessmen's eyes silently watch her go.


Read more: http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/jenny-dixon-the-dublin-teacher-who-holidays-at-the-playboy-mansion-2578740.html?ino=2#wcol#ixzz1Ga1ZsCZs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 14, 2011, 01:55:17 PM
i hate my life. that is all
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on March 14, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
If she's the one in the black, she's brutal. FFS Heff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
She sounds like a dose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: pintsofguinness on March 14, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 14, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
If she's the one in the black, she's brutal. FFS Heff.
I agree, it would appear standards are slipping in the playboy mansion.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 18, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Not me, the school I'm in only lost 4 days and there are four days at the end of June so you can stick it up your hole to all who think everyone missed out a month for snow days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Speed the lessons up a bit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on March 18, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 18, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 19, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 18, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.


Tell your Mrs to get off it then during class ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 19, 2011, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 19, 2011, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 18, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2011, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 18, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: highorlow on March 18, 2011, 05:33:04 PM
Most of them had to "work" today to make up for the lost time due to the snow.

Must be in the South.

No obligation to 'work' in the north to make up for the snow days
How do you get the curriculum covered to a decent standard with ~10 less days in some cases?

Put down the paper.
The gaaboard is the modern equivalent.


Tell your Mrs to get off it then during class ;)
:D She's always yapping at me to get off it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Declan on March 29, 2011, 01:43:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU&feature=player_embedded#at=61 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU&feature=player_embedded#at=61)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on March 29, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
He would be told to sit down and take a redner!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tyssam5 on April 01, 2011, 06:51:20 PM
Whatever about the Playboy mansion one, this one I think is fine. I'd say art is popular choice of subject among the chaps at Harrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12936453
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 01, 2011, 07:03:18 PM
Quote from: tyssam5 on April 01, 2011, 06:51:20 PM
Whatever about the Playboy mansion one, this one I think is fine. I'd say art is popular choice of subject among the chaps at Harrow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12936453

No point in posting that without the topless shots of her.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 01, 2011, 08:03:51 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372268/Joanne-Salley-topless-pictures-defended-Harrow-School.html

Some school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on April 01, 2011, 08:27:13 PM
What happens if she decides to have a life drawing class when she returns & chooses herself as the model?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rocky Mc Guigan on April 01, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: ross4life on April 01, 2011, 08:27:13 PM
What happens if she decides to have a life drawing class when she returns & chooses herself as the model?
Carlsberg don't do GCSE's but if they did they would be the best GCSE's in the world
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
Photography class looks like a bit of craic too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on April 01, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 01, 2011, 10:42:11 PM
Mighty stuff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 01, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?

I'm not an artist myself and I never went to art school, but little digs against people who do art in college are something I file under "ignorant" along with the "teachers get it handy" merchants. Doing art in school can lead to a lucrative career if you're willing to work at it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on April 01, 2011, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.

Graphic designers in Ireland earn €32,000 to €38,000.

Whats the relevance?

I'm not an artist myself and I never went to art school, but little digs against people who do art in college are something I file under "ignorant" along with the "teachers get it handy" merchants. Doing art in school can lead to a lucrative career if you're willing to work at it.
Having you been taking drugs?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
Having you been taking drugs?
What a strange question.

No, I work in a company that employs graphic designers, I work with them, and I see at first hand what they do and how you actually need a bit of training and artistic flair to do what they do.

Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2011, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 01, 2011, 11:58:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 11:47:41 PM
Having you been taking drugs?
What a strange question.

No, I work in a company that employs graphic designers, I work with them, and I see at first hand what they do and how you actually need a bit of training and artistic flair to do what they do.

Why do you ask?
Why are you droning on about art and graphic designers? Who was making digs at people in art college?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 12:23:25 AM
You did, unless you meant something else by this:
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 01, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
100% uptake for Art at GCSE and A Level I'd say.

Some school alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 02, 2011, 12:35:38 AM
Fcuk me Eamonnca1. You drunk?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
Oh sweet Jesus I just read the article, now I get it.

Sorry lads!  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 02, 2011, 01:32:50 AM
This just became the most embarrassing thread of my life.  ::) You may begin slagging at any time...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 02, 2011, 08:48:25 AM
Eejit! :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 03, 2011, 06:12:09 AM
I might have to resign from this website in disgrace!  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: highorlow on April 04, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 04, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 04, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
To be fair to them, with Easter being late it's a long auld haul from Christmas to Easter (via holidays around mid-Feb and St. Patrick's Day obviously).
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 04, 2011, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 04, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 04, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.
To be fair to them, with Easter being late it's a long auld haul from Christmas to Easter (via holidays around mid-Feb and St. Patrick's Day obviously).

::) ::)

You getting it tight in the house Tony??  Aye i love the summer months
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 06:41:13 PM
The uncensored photos are on the web. I'd post a link here but I don't want to get in trouble with this site's admin.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 04, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 06:41:13 PM
The uncensored photos are on the web. I'd post a link here but I don't want to get in trouble with this site's admin.

Here you go post them in here
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14500.1320
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on April 04, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 04, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.

And we get to see her tits so it's win win
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ross4life on April 04, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
Well at least she didn't do what these teacher's did http://coedmagazine.com/2008/02/26/hot-for-teacher-top-18-sexiest-sex-offenders/

P.S good poll at the bottom of the piece  :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 04, 2011, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: highorlow on April 04, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
Its getting close to their easter break and then they have a few more weeks and then its their 3 month summer break.

3 months highorlow??  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!

I didn't Eamonn, but I can read the word 'topless' and understand what that means.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 02:19:33 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 04, 2011, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

So you looked at the photos? You're going to have to go to confession now!

I didn't Eamonn, but I can read the word 'topless' and understand what that means.

Oh yes. Parts of the human body which, practical though they may be, are evil!

Just curious, do you have a problem with Venus de Milo as well?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 03:05:29 AM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 05, 2011, 03:59:25 AM
Iceman you should really have a look. It'd diffuse the hole situation here. ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2011, 06:01:23 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 04, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
All a publicity stunt to raise the girls online profile. You're not taking photos like that for an "art project"
the School is foolish enough to stand by her.

Yeah, these things are never "leaked", she will pack in the teaching and be in some shite reality show.
Seems to be the way of it. Probably preparing the way for Big Brother or some similar crap in the summertime. When Max Clifford comes out and says she could make a fortune out of this you have to smell a rat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 03:05:29 AM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn, but there's times when it's pretty clear that something is artistic. This is one of them. But then to make that judgment would require looking at the photos, so maybe you're not in much of a position to pass judgment until you've done so. The "down with this sort of thing" brigade always let themselves down with that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on April 05, 2011, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 03:05:29 AM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn

I do enjoy these posts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 05, 2011, 06:09:31 PM
Lads enough of this is it Art or Smut shite..I wanna see some tits where is this link to them?
It's about the only time a teacher has done something useful so let me see them....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on April 05, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on April 05, 2011, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 05, 2011, 03:05:29 AM
When did I say anything was Evil?
Whatever gripes you have with religion or God take it up with the big man upstairs.
If this is personal then we've got a whole different discussion.
Oh come on, it's just an armless statue!  ;)

Seriously though, there can sometimes be a fine line between art and porn


I know, the amount of times I accidentally click on art drives me crazy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2011, 07:58:31 PM
The Salford Stallion is getting it handy these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 26, 2011, 08:46:37 PM
Are these tossers off this week as well?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Great, off till Tuesday!! Stopped Thursday afternoon.

Three barbeque's so far, and then the wedding on Friday!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.

Thinking about that myself, a couple of chickens too, but i wonder would they make a lot of noise
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
They do but sure, if like me, you'll not be rising til 8ish anyway and home by 330 so you can try to work their body clocks around yours.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on April 26, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
Any of you guys affected by the forthcoming changes in school principals?

I expect to see St Malachys Belfast athletics team clean up for the next 5-10 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
They do but sure, if like me, you'll not be rising til 8ish anyway and home by 330 so you can try to work their body clocks around yours.

Aye it's doable, With the two of us teaching it should be a breeze
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2011, 10:43:27 PM
laoislad, I may be a Utd supporting 'tosser' but I more than likely will be unemployed in September. Suppose you'll be delighted then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 11:10:24 PM
Barney also came up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on April 27, 2011, 08:42:56 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on April 26, 2011, 11:43:20 PM
Great opportunities and a largely open field for anyone interested.

Just as long as you've got your PHQ.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 27, 2011, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
Finally got started on my vegetable patch. Hope to be totally self-sufficient by the next holidays at the end of May.

Thinking about that myself, a couple of chickens too, but i wonder would they make a lot of noise

I imagine that the noise won't be much of a problem as hens are cacklers rather than crowers.  Now, if you have a c**k, with or without a dunghill to stand on, he could cause problems alright. Four to five hens should not upset your neighbours unduly unless they are narky to begin with.
A few square yards of ground to peck at and you'll be grand.
The smell of the rear end stuff might be  more of a problem than the noise. Down in east Mayo, we didn't have to bother about that but on a hot day in suburban areas it could be a problem.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on April 27, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
I would find the sound of hens and roosters very soothing, probably because it takes me back to when I was a chicken toddler
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
My wife only teaches 3 days a week, she was full time before the kids and when they arrived she opted for a three day week, she got tired of the relentless coffee days and meeting friends on her days off and decided to do an extra day (Thank Fcuk) and was able to do that in here own school.

She has now been told that that day is not available in the next school year!!! (that's why the chickens and vegetable patch may be required ;))

She thinks the budgets have been harsher at grammer schools than secondary schools, is this true?

She is confident of getting the odd day subbing but not guaranteed as the head has said that the current teachers workload will get bigger to compensate for the budget!!

Not a lot of happy bunnies
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 27, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2011, 10:43:27 PM
laoislad, I may be a Utd supporting 't**ser' but I more than likely will be unemployed in September. Suppose you'll be delighted then.

Who mentioned anything about you being a United supporting tosser?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 22, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 22, 2011, 07:48:03 PM
Surprised no one is on the countdown.

23, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30!
O'Neill is. He's finished his papers and he's descaling his kettle.

I'd say the teachers in Cambridge House are busy...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 29, 2011, 05:52:51 PM
Anyone need odd jobs done?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on June 29, 2011, 08:52:47 PM
Thank you. Although I saw the first "Back to school" ads in Easons yesterday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
I got my holidays on Friday. Now for the old application forms which are becoming an ever recurring theme of the summer!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 29, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Can I be first to congratulate you all on another year of hard graft. You've earned a long rest over the summer.

I'm looking forward to a proper dinner every night ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 29, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Can I be first to congratulate you all on another year of hard graft. You've earned a long rest over the summer.

I'm looking forward to a proper dinner every night ;D

+1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2011, 12:08:43 PM
Spare a thought for the poor principals at this time of the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 17, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Leaving Cert results today. Time is flying, wont be long till teachers are on their mid term break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2011, 05:53:57 PM
   "Won't be long now !"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on August 17, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
It's not all bad teachers.

(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1101/most-of-us-andy-rooney-teachers-demotivational-posters-1295652357.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 17, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 17, 2011, 06:01:01 PM
It's not all bad teachers.

(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1101/most-of-us-andy-rooney-teachers-demotivational-posters-1295652357.jpg)


Remember their nicknames more like.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on August 18, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggysego on August 18, 2011, 01:21:52 AM
Quote from: maggie on August 18, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.

What?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 18, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: maggie on August 18, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
:D do me a favour!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 18, 2011, 09:54:32 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 18, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: maggie on August 18, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
A teacher can help change a mirror into a window.
:D do me a favour!

someones getting teachers mixed up with paul daniels tbf ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hashtag on August 18, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
Couple of my friends are teachers. Been on the drink four nights a week since start of July. They get it very handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2011, 03:11:40 PM
It's handy alright...If only some school in this god-forsaken place would give me a f**king job!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 31, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Not to worry only a few weeks until your mid term break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on August 31, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 31, 2011, 07:12:02 PM
Big day is tomorrow!

All good teachers will be to bed early tonight to get a good night's sleep before the new year begins tomorrow!  Make sure the bags are packed tonight and you all arrive bright eyed in the morning.



This chap will be returning to school after a reprimand from the GTC. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8733059/Porn-star-teacher-can-return-to-the-classroom.html)

This cheeky chap will be returning too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14721163 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14721163)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 31, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 31, 2011, 07:12:02 PM
Big day is tomorrow!

All good teachers will be to bed early tonight to get a good night's sleep before the new year begins tomorrow!  Make sure the bags are packed tonight and you all arrive bright eyed in the morning.



This chap will be returning to school after a reprimand from the GTC. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8733059/Porn-star-teacher-can-return-to-the-classroom.html)

Big day was today for alot of schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on September 01, 2011, 06:05:26 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 31, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
Big day was today for alot of schools.

Could do better.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: laoislad on August 31, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Not to worry only a few weeks until your mid term break.

That the only line you can come up with?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on September 01, 2011, 03:29:03 PM
Last day of the holidays for me - though tomorrow is just a staff day, which is nice!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on September 01, 2011, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Estimator on September 01, 2011, 03:29:03 PM
Last day of the holidays for me - though tomorrow is just a staff day, which is nice!

In at 9.30 and hit staffroom for coffee  at 10,
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on September 29, 2011, 09:53:46 PM
Careful now .... Facebook (http://www.big1059.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=124415&article=7624266)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 05, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Yer great. Have a two week holiday to celebrate.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 05, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 05, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Yer great. Have a two week holiday to celebrate.

No need, there is a week coming up at the end of October for mid-term.

Roll on! ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 05, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 05, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Whens the next day off? Is it holidays or a strike?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on October 05, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 05, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 05, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.

Scotch going down tastes like Irish coming up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 05, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
 Where's Baloney for another dig at teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 05, 2011, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 05, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
Where's Baloney for another dig at teachers?
Here. What are the teachers whining about today?

I could actually dig a teacher from here but she's busy marking.  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 05, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2011, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: trileacman on October 05, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 05, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2011, 09:16:31 PM
Happy World Teachers' Day. Nice the World recognises the hard work we do by giving us our own day.

Sorry about this but it is about the Whisky. The Scots are trying to latch onto Arthur's day.
scotch is piss.

Scotch going down tastes like Irish coming up.

Single malt from that part of the world is a real drink. The Irish stuff is a watered version.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on October 05, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
(http://othersideofscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/think_of_the_children.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 06, 2011, 06:20:02 PM
Just heard of a nearby school got the big letter yesterday morning. OUCH !!

Any teacher here will know eaxctly what I'm on about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

You get a letter to tell you you are going to be inspected? Very good. :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:27:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

You get a letter to tell you you are going to be inspected? Very good. :D
The teachers can confirm but I think you get a few weeks notice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 06, 2011, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 06, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
The missus is expecting the inspection letter any day now. I have reassured her by telling her she should be inspection ready at all times. Not impressed.

If that's the case you better start learning how to cook etc cos you'll be doing it for a month or so after the letter arrives.

Weekends and all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
My work to be inspected in 6 weeks! As said already  you should be ready. This will be my third inspection.

ETI always looking for something different  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ballinaman on October 06, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/555Ao.png)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 07, 2011, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 06, 2011, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 06, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/555Ao.png)
I remember being in a school staff room one day and I seen on the noticeboard a non-too-serious guide on using the right words at parent teacher meetings. The one I remember is: Say to them "Your son is trying really hard at his work..." but what you really want to say "Your son is as thick as shit!"


" Wee Joe works well at his level" 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on October 07, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
The Educating Essex show on channel 4 gives a great insight into the goings on in a secondary school in England. The head teacher/deputy head are fab imo. Such a good team.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 08:26:25 AM
Any holidays coming up soon?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 09, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: sammymaguire on October 09, 2011, 08:26:25 AM
Any holidays coming up soon?

No. Have to wait until Halloween believe it or not !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 14, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
Any primary teachers know where i could do a course on linguistic phonics?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on October 14, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
A friend of mine did the linguistic phonics training over the summer through the beelb, if you look up their website, they might still be doing some training days on it. Think it was about £50 because she wasn't attached to a school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 14, 2011, 10:50:46 PM
Cheers maggie. Can't find that course anywhere. Any other courses you recommend doing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on October 14, 2011, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 14, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
Any primary teachers know where i could do a course on linguistic phonics?

Just curious, but apart from linguistic phonics, what other types of phonics are there?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on October 14, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
So there's only phonics (linguistic) ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on October 15, 2011, 01:44:11 AM
Not sure, will ask around on monday and see if anyone knows of any others. But linguistic phonics is being widely implemented in schools now so it would be the best one. Did u check the other education boards websites?

As far as I know, the two types I have used are linguistic phonics and synthetic phonics.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on October 21, 2011, 10:09:32 AM
Best note home from school yet!

Friday 28th October is a staff training day so there will be no children in school.  This is also the day Miss xxx xxxxx, Primary # teacher's wedding to Mr xxx xxxxxx.  I am sure staff, parents and pupils would like to wish xxxxx all the best on her wedding day.

I am sure the staff will be having the training day in some hotel.  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2011, 06:47:05 PM
Enjoy mid-term everyone!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

7th November - 22nd December. 8th December off. Sin é.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2011, 06:17:20 PM
Yes, they visit us on the 28th. Will have to dig out those lesson plans  :o
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 06, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
TYP, Do your teachers get to use the same lesson plans every year? The missus is forever doing new lesson plans, creating blogs, moodles and always yaps about having too much to do but no other teachers I know do anywhere near the same amount of work! Is this crap (outside teaching time and marking homeworks) a necessity these days, an expectation or can you get away with doing less? It appears some teachers are!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on November 06, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

Really. What about all the money teachers save the state, by 'minding' some of these kids for a few more years, before they are eventually let loose and appear before a court near you?  ;)

Notice how the riots in England's cities stopped once the schools reopened  ;)

Try it sometime and you might find out that there is more to teaching than teaching. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jonah on November 06, 2011, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
But ye don't work when in school either!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 06, 2011, 10:03:40 PM
Quotea special word of encouragement to those who might encounter special visitors on their return to school for the remainder of this term.

Bloody mice. I was away from the house for a few days and they moved in too. It's the time of year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on November 06, 2011, 10:04:50 PM
 Unreal.

As well as that I had a mice visit. A honeymooning couple by the sounds of it. I like mice and they are very playful and entertaining. However their cavorting drove myself and the missus into the spare room in the middle of the night, clutching pillows and duvet (and what was left of my stalk!). The other two were duly caught and relocated for re-education the following day. I find they can t resist a lightly fried Carr's white pudding.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: Jonah on November 06, 2011, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 06, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 28, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 28, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
A week off!

Maybe they should post when they are actually in.

Need to get them in cleaning the yard and painting the school during the students holidays. Need to save the Department of Education some money.

The whole point of holidays is that you DON'T work.
But ye don't work when in school either!

Eh? What do I do then?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Blowitupref on November 12, 2011, 03:13:45 AM
New career for a former porn star?
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/porn-star-sasha-grey-read-elementary-school-classroom-report-article-1.976218
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.

Most schools have sent word to parents not to send their child or children in to school on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 25, 2011, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.

Most schools have sent word to parents not to send their child or children in to school on Wednesday.

Translink have made it easier with no transport available for the schools. Though innercity schools should still be open
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
Who'd notice the difference?  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on November 25, 2011, 11:01:39 PM
Shower of wasters.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
Any teacher here striking/not striking on Wednesday.

School near me has all teachers working as usual.
The missus is going in.
!

Yes, schools have to be available for teachers who want to work on Wednesday.

If majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !
Who'd notice the difference?  ;)

LOL. Knew that was coming
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 25, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
I knew you knew!  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2011, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)

From INTO:

What happens if there are ETI inspections on the day of the strike?
INTO has written asking that no inspections take place on that day. Should this be ignored, members are free to take strike action and this should not adversely affect any inspection report.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)


No. Flat out at the moment. Inspecting right up to xmas. Normally avoid December.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Well ETI inspectors be on strike  ::)


No. Flat out at the moment. Inspecting right up to xmas. Normally avoid December.

Yeah I don't mind them to be honest (only doing their job), possibly inspect two of my classes (two different levels) and that's that. The management and systems get scrutinised and the stats are the areas that they will look at more (Which are good).

They have been, on recent inspections to other training organisation/training colleges hammering the tracking, systems and stats. New grading in place also from last time I was inspected (I got a 2 the last time) So i hope to get something similar.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 25, 2011, 11:41:26 PM
I couldn t care less whether they say I am outstanding or just OK. You don t get an extra penny either way ( unlike the head of the waterboard who'll get a £20 000 bonus if he doesn't make a balls of the water over winter)

As long as they don't recommend I get the road ! :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Windmill abu on November 26, 2011, 01:43:22 AM
QuoteIf majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !

Since when has crossing a picket line become a handy day of it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 26, 2011, 08:00:09 AM
Quote from: Windmill abu on November 26, 2011, 01:43:22 AM
QuoteIf majority of teachers decide to strike then there will be no pupils  giving the non strikers a handy day of it !

Since when has crossing a picket line become a handy day of it?

They drive to school as normal, park the car , walk in and presumably walk to their classrooms. No pupils today however! Handy day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 26, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 26, 2011, 11:13:13 PM
McCormick Cup final  and the MacRory Cup playoffs being played on Tuesday because of the strike!  Should have put them on Wednesday morning when the lads would be off school anyway.  Quite a few parents would be off to see the games.

Wopuld the teachers in charge of those teams not be on strike on Wednesday thereby unable to take the teams?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
John O'Dowd won't cross the picket line yet voted for increased contributions to public sector pensions  ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 26, 2011, 11:41:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
John O'Dowd won't cross the picket line yet voted for increased contributions to public sector pensions  ???
Day off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on November 27, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.

It's a good idea that they know will never see the light of day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 27, 2011, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 26, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
The thing about that vote was the result was not made public for a full month and there is hardly a peep about it, SF and DUP seem to only want to be associated with giveaways and good news stories. I can guarantee you there will be SF and DUP representatives showing "solidarity" on the picket line on Wednesday. In fairness they reckon you get the government you deserve.
At the same time as voting for it they were on the news all week saying they were against it. To be fair to them I think the idea of waiving the changes for those earning under £32k is a good one.

It's a good idea that they know will never see the light of day.
Stormont ministers in populist grandstanding shocker!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 27, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 26, 2011, 11:45:01 PM
The Scottish Assembly simply ignored the demands from the Treasury in London and looked after their public sector workers who are among the lowest paid.



I thought the Scots went ahead with govt plans.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Forever Green on November 27, 2011, 01:15:12 AM
Lucky you`s have a f**king job unlike a lot of people. Quit whinging and just get the f**k on with it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2011, 11:03:30 AM
I've two pensions from different jobs over the years. Worth fook all, invest your money over the years and hope it makes you enough to retire on. Otherwise your fooked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 01, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P

MR, are you primary or secondary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 09:11:44 PM
Training college, 16 up. Engineering
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2011, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 01, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2011, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)

It ll be more like 10 years
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2011, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Inspection over!!! Thank fook for that, very intense, can't remember them being so intense before. Sat in 4 of my classes!!! Kids were great in fairness and considering the type of lads that we get very well behaved.

Of course you have your scheme of work and lesson plans ready but not once during the lessons did they ask for them. They all dressed like undertakers and you couldn't drag a conversation out of them outside of what they were looking for.

Questioning the kids i believe is part of the process but how they question them and the type of questions leave a lot to be desired.

So the score will be given tomorrow. So I may be looking a job somewhere soon :P
Back to doing f**k all for another 5 years  ;)

Hey, baby sitting isn't for everybody ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 07, 2011, 09:06:44 PM
Upping the ante

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_18_industrialaction_short_of_strike.pdf
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 07, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison

You can be sure the NASUWT will follow.

New leader recently installed as INTO secretary. Maybe more militant than his predecessor.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 07, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Now that is something that will cause a bit of bother.
Will cause no disruption to pupils but will cause a good bit of bother for the Education Department.
Any school due an inspection will be getting an influx of INTO members

But what are the NASUWT going to do??
You would think the unions would act in unison

You can be sure the NASUWT will follow.

New leader recently installed as INTO secretary. Maybe more militant than his predecessor.

Not so sure Gaffer.
The INTO will only specifically effect Northern Ireland teachers.

If NASUWT took the same step, it would have to be for Northern Ireland teachers and teachers in the rest of the UK.
I would doubt they would take that step with the pension negotiations just having restarted.

INTO can really get away with it because they are in relative terms, a very small and marginal union in these negotiations
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 07, 2011, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on December 07, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
Did you know that 95% of 44% is 41.8%.

That's the percentage of INTO members who voted to undertake this further action.

What sort of inconvience will this action cause senior management in schools??

I would assume that most schools would have a mixture of NASUWT and INTO members.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 07, 2011, 10:48:02 PM
NASUWT issued something similar to tonight, without the ETI idea. Something about boycotting admin duties.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 21, 2011, 09:27:23 PM
Aff the marra 'til  the 9th Jan !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on December 21, 2011, 09:30:13 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 21, 2011, 09:27:23 PM
Aff the marra 'til  the 9th Jan !

Me too!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
I'm back on the 6th.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on December 22, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 21, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
I'm back on the 6th.

Nobody tell you yet. The phrase "in lieu" has been mentioned.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 22, 2011, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 21, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
I'm back on the 6th.

The wick at Halloween has come back to bite youse !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on December 22, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
Half day today. Back on the 4th.
I see the strike day money is being taken outta january's pay.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: fearglasmor on December 22, 2011, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: maggie on December 22, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
Half day today. Back on the 4th.
I see the strike day money is being taken outta january's pay.


No big deal there.
Succesful Irish manufacturing company - half day yesterday back on 3rd

Although the annual nativity play has been dropped in the National school and it has nothing to do with any pc reasons.
Had letter from secondary school suggesting abandoning Mock Junior cert  otherwise parents will have to pay €120 per student.
Its a great free education system we have.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

Will this have an impact on Open Nights?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 29, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on December 29, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
More  strike action in the new term

http://www.into.ie/NI/Publications/Bulletin/BulletinIndex2011/Bulletin_19_action_short_of_strike_no2.pdf

Will this have an impact on Open Nights?

Need your goggles on you. O'Neill

It says in the bulletin that Open Nights are exempt !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2011, 01:17:38 AM
Wife has open night on the 5th of Jan!!! No hanging about there!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 08:31:53 PM
Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 08:31:53 PM

Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.

Lucky so and so.

I'll be flat out for the next 5 weeks  (minus directed time of course) before I receive my next allocation of hols !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 08, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 08:31:53 PM
Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.
Is it not 5??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
How come it is minus directed time?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
How come it is minus directed time?

Cos my union says so
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: sammymaguire on January 08, 2012, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 08:31:53 PM

Back to porridge tomorrow. 4 weeks til the next holidays ffs.

Lucky so and so.

I'll be flat out for the next 5 weeks  (minus directed time of course) before I receive my next allocation of hols !

I can take a holiday any time I like.  ;) I'm sure you've heard it all before
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:54:25 PM
Gaffer are u INTO? I was arguing with someone on fri that we didn't have to do DT. She said, no because we took part in the one day strike, we still had to do DT.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 09:54:25 PM
Gaffer are u INTO? I was arguing with someone on fri that we didn't have to do DT. She said, no because we took part in the one day strike, we still had to do DT.

INTO surely. As regards your friend, you would wonder where, in under fcuk, she got that nonsense of information from !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on January 08, 2012, 11:08:15 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Back to a full week tomorrow regardless. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
Her arguement centred around which of the two boxes we ticked back in the original letter they sent out. App one of them said u would still DT and cover/duty etc. She said we were in breach of our contract if we didn't do it. As I couldn't remember what the letter said, I just listened.

In fairness, it was a pretty one sided argument.

Right. She must have thought it was an either / or choice.

We still have to do our planning though. we can decide whether we do it at home or in school. Means that some will still probably stay on in school to do it but you can now walk out at the end of your teaching day .  early morning duty and bus duty remains as well.

I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?
You would think that! Instead you get a heap of back-dating and creation of lesson plans, policies and schemes of work that should be in place as a matter of course to ensure our children receive the best possible education as funded by us taxpayers ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM



I know of one school who were due to start an inspection tomorrow. They were all geared up to spend xmas holidays in school preparing for it. The boycott of inspections  put pay to that though.

Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Or teachers don't put the hours into fulfilling the roles they are handsomely rewarded for. Last I checked they have all summer to keep up to date with the requirements of the post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM



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Why would they possibly be spending Christmas in school to prepare for an inspection? Surely given the dedicated nature of staff in our schools, teaching standards are always at the requisite level and there is no need to put in hours of additional effort to get things up to scratch once every four years when they get news of a pre-planned inspection?

It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)

The school during an inspection is like a woman dolled up for a wedding. Looks the part for the day but when the big day is over she revrerts to her everyday mode of hair tied back, no make up and tracksuit bottoms showing off her big hole !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:33:22 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 08, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: maggie on January 08, 2012, 10:45:46 PM


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It s the way things are with inspections and has been for a long time. The standards expected from the inspectors are so high that teachers need this time to prepare. The detailed written planning, the wall displays, the differenciation in each lesson to cater for all abilities in the class, the detailed marking of books, the actual planning of lessons, the detailed policies of each subect area etc etc.  All this work has to be done outside of normal teaching hours and despite the fact that teachers try to keep on top of it as best they can during the normal school year once the inspection comes it takes over their lives for the period . As I say,  the standard expected is so high the this time is needed to get ready for it and impossible to maintain once the inspectors have gone !

So what you're telling me is that the inspection system is a farce? (To be fair, I knew this, hailing as I do from a long lineage of educators)
Or teachers don't put the hours into fulfilling the roles they are handsomely rewarded for. Last I checked they have all summer to keep up to date with the requirements of the post.

Eh?, Who works during their holidays?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)


We know you too well Tony. Weren't you complaining a while back about the Mrs having to do all the marking and planning at home.

In other words, you were having to make your own dinner !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:54:49 PM
Some change in SS2 during our recent inspection. Every morning he stood in the foyer shaking the hands of pupils he didn't even know, hair slicked back, new shirts, smiling and laughing heartily with his workmates. The same hoor hasn't even smirked since they left.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on January 08, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.

You don't know me at all. I try to mess the place up a little, fall behind on the housework, just so she will have something to do when she lands in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 09, 2012, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 08, 2012, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 08, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Ach it's human nature. You might keep a clean and tidy house but if your ma said she was coming down to visit you in your house for the first time you'll be polishing under the stairs.
Ach I know. I baited the line but few nibbles tonight!

We have customer audits almost every week but when the government inspector comes every two years there are weeks of prep to ensure everything is in place as it should be. Walls get painted, floor gets swept and the mugs get washed. We sometimes ensure the quality system is complied with too! :)


We know you too well Tony. Weren't you complaining a while back about the Mrs having to do all the marking and planning at home.

In other words, you were having to make your own dinner !!
Aye there seems to be a desperate amount of fannying about in teaching now, not helped by curriculum changes all the time. When I was a school the same dog-eared overhead acetates were fired out every year!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
Teachers will get 90 weeks salary to retire early

The education minister has revealed that teachers taking redundancy will be able to leave with up to 90 weeks pay as part of their severance package.

John O'Dowd has allocated £167m to make the offer to teachers taking voluntary redundancy from August onwards.

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.

The Northern Ireland Teachers Council (NITC) welcomed the announcement and said it would "permit schools to manage their staffing costs more effectively".

Mr O'Dowd told Good Morning Ulster that the offer was an "invest to save programme" that would "re-profile" teaching staff across Northern Ireland.

The money will be used to encourage teachers in their 50s to take retirement before they reach pensionable age. The 90 weeks severance pay is designed to bridge the gap.

"We recognise that, despite the significant amount of money agreed with the executive last week, we are still going to be facing redundancies going into the future," said Mr O'Dowd.

"Yes, staff will be leaving the service but there is a significant number of staff who are coming close to retirement age.

"They don't want to go too early because that will have a negative affect on their pensions.

"I want to allow these staff to be able to leave the service with dignity and recognition of their service to education.

"That will allow us to re-profile our educational workforce going into the future."

Spokesperson for the NITC, Tony Carlin said: "The announcement of improved severance arrangements for teachers will enable them to leave their chosen profession and would also permit schools to manage their staffing costs more effectively.

"The NITC congratulates the minister on securing the additional monies and giving commitment to manage the staffing reductions through voluntary means where possible."



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on January 18, 2012, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

You can turn that on its head very quickly.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: trileacman on January 18, 2012, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

You can turn that on its head very quickly.  ::)
Perhaps, but it doesn't repudiate my point that Donagh Ulick was making a misleading/unhelpful comparison.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on January 18, 2012, 04:44:48 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Worker on January 18, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

The offer is three times as much as the average statutory redundancy package.


Three times the average - but is it three times the average in comparable jobs? For example the current voluntary redundancy package on offer at Queen's is "up to two years". Thing with these packages is they only encourage older staff to move on by offering something like 4 weeks pay per year of service "up to 90 weeks" - not everyone will get the "90 weeks". Anything less and it's not worth it for an older member of staff to leave as they can hold on for a few years and get the same on retirement. What's also not mentioned is that a redundancy package of this size is taxable over the £30k mark and taking into consideration current earnings in the year, most of that will be taxed at 40%. Not a bad package but considering most of these people will never work again at the same level or salary, it's not up there with the best either - only a fraction of what the RUC & UDR got and they'd hardly qualifications hanging out of them and doesn't come anywhere near the half million payouts to politicians and advisor in the south. If we want to make room for all of these unemployed young teachers, the older ones need an incentive to move on.
Re your comparison in bold, there are two key differences.

1. With Teachers, there is a perceived need to reduce the overall numbers, whereas with the RUC (at least), there was no reduction in police numbers, rather it was necessary to encourage serving RUC officers to retire early, in order to make way for new PSNI replacements;
2. Whilst misbehaviour in the classroom can be a problem, the Teaching profession didn't see 500 of its number murdered by their pupils over the course of 30 years...

This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on January 18, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2012, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 18, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
With the proposed budget cuts can many Heads afford these retired teachers as they'll be on the highest daily rate. It's a rotten system if it is still the case.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 18, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 18, 2012, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on January 18, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
This is true but people would really get hot under the collar if teachers retiring with an attractive package were re-hired as classroom assistants a few months later.

Already happening. Lots of well connected retired teachers still the sub of choice to their mate the head.
With the proposed budget cuts can many Heads afford these retired teachers as they'll be on the highest daily rate. It's a rotten system if it is still the case.

They shouldnt be employing them  !

If I had the power I would outlaw it  !

and I'd  slap the greedy 'retired' teachers around the lugs ! 

That'll put the subbin' out of 'em
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 18, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
BTW the triple redundancy rate is not as good as it appears because redundancy payments are taxed at 40% above £30,000.  It shows a lack of foresight by DE because the large payments won't mean much more for teachers and 40% of the payments above £30K will be sent back to the Treasury from scarce funds for schools.  The same rate will be paid to teachers of all ages although it is supposed to be targeted at teachers in the 55+ age bracket to bridge the gap to their pension at 60.  It would have been better to give them a pension contribution to bring their pension closer to 40 years, this would have targeted the older teachers and with no tax implications all of the DE expenditure would have stayed in NI. Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Presumably those taking the package have the choice to purchase additional voluntary contributions and save the tax.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
I don't see the problem with hiring very experienced professionals (thought retired) as substitute cover, as long as they're taxed appropriately on their income. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
I don't see the problem with hiring very experienced professionals (thought retired) as substitute cover, as long as they're taxed appropriately on their income.

There are particular problems with it up here Billy:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/5000-teachers-canrsquot-find-a-job-16052896.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/5000-teachers-canrsquot-find-a-job-16052896.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no?? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on January 19, 2012, 12:28:38 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Generally speaking Billy from what I've heard..these retired teachers are spent forces who just babysit classes rather than teach. If they still were enthused they'd still be teaching. Subbing is stress free and a good way to supplement the pension
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Slightly different system up here than the south which effectually means that teacher demand doesn't really change that much from year to year. I agree in that I'd rather have an experienced teacher in as short term cover for my children but the high number of newly qualified teachers out of work means that few of them are getting any experience which in the long term isn't a good thing. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 19, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 19, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
I understand that alright Ulick, but from the perspective of: (a) Principal Teachers/Boards of Management, and (b) Students/Parents, and only in respect of short-term substitute cover, are retired teachers not as good an, if not better, option than inexperienced graduates?  Teacher supply and demand changes radically from year-to-year, and medium to long-term employment prospects for teachers are usually reasonably good, in general, no??

Slightly different system up here than the south which effectually means that teacher demand doesn't really change that much from year to year. I agree in that I'd rather have an experienced teacher in as short term cover for my children but the high number of newly qualified teachers out of work means that few of them are getting any experience which in the long term isn't a good thing.

I get you now; the problem thus lies with the teacher-training institutions - they shouldn't be churning out more graduates than the system can actually use.  I think, though I may be wrong, the teacher-training colleges down here change their intake numbers from year to year depending on the demographics and projected job-generations/retirements etc.  They get it wrong from time-to-time, but in general they can react to shortages and over-supply over a three-year period.

QuoteGenerally speaking Billy from what I've heard..these retired teachers are spent forces who just babysit classes rather than teach. If they still were enthused they'd still be teaching. Subbing is stress free and a good way to supplement the pension

Short-term subbing is a babysitting job, irrespective of who the sub is - a teacher can't be expected to dovetail into curriculum delivery with a class they have for a day or two.  I would never describe teaching a class you don't know as stress-free.  I do get your point though, I'm just saying for such a short-term job it's probably better to use someone experienced than not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on April 17, 2012, 07:41:21 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/oleary-the-faster-and-deeper-the-hardship-the-shorter-the-recovery-420825-Apr2012/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/oleary-the-faster-and-deeper-the-hardship-the-shorter-the-recovery-420825-Apr2012/)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on April 17, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


Mouth !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 17, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: oakleafgael on April 18, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 17, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?

There salary would be higher than the comparabe salary in the North but take home pay wouldnt be that different for an ordinary teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on April 18, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
I would be interested to see Master O'Rourke's payslip.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orchardman on April 18, 2012, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 17, 2012, 10:43:23 PM
After reading that, if I worked in his school I would volunteer for bog all .


Mouth !!!
Do teachers earn more on average in the south?

I don't have a perm teaching job, it's a nightmare trying to even see a position to apply for, so I wouldn't be too annoyed with him for speaking out. I have subbed in the south before but i wudn't be an expert on the whole croke park deal, many seem to say it has lead to divided staff rooms.

In terms of pay, a starting teacher in the north only gets around 20k, where it was 31K euro in the south, though this may have come to 28k or so since cutbacks. Big difference though considering my mates i trained with finish teaching at end of may and have a 3 month summer holiday, i'd love to get stuck into that!

By the way, i don't totally blame just cut backs for lack of jobs, truth is there is far too many trained teachers, including myself. I qualified in 2008, and even before that i was fully aware that it was really difficult to get jobs. It's unreal the amount the people that continue to do teaching courses, even worse that the colleges get state funding for taking in such numbers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2012, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.

I think something has to be done about the amount of teachers churned out of all the colleges every year. At least the 4 year course is due to be brought in starting from next September or else it has started this year for current first year students. I also know many who do the online course and while it is legitimate, you'd wonder if the amount of money is worth it after all is said and done. I'm one of the lucky few who has a maternity leave this year. The panel lists are out on Monday for the redeployment of teachers in the South. It will make interesting reading.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on April 18, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 18, 2012, 09:19:52 PM
Aye it is certainly strange that so many people continue to apply for teaching jobs and alsp that the colleges don't get their places slashed. There are apparently 8500 subs in the north and in 2011 just under half of them didnt get a single days subbing. That tells its own story.

Not picking holes in the fact that there are far too many people being trained as teachers (I'm currently at St Mary's University College)  but you need to be aware of where the figures for these surveys come from.  The 8500 figure comes from the number of teachers who are on the subbing register, but not all of these teachers are even looking for employment.  A huge majority are those who have put in their days teaching and have taken a redundancy package, and have now placed themselves on the subbing list for odd day of teaching here or there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orchardman on April 18, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
that's true, id say the real figure is around 4-5,000, which is still a lot. I'd imagine anyone who was really looking teaching work this year would have got at least 1 day!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-3110904.html

What do ye make of this? Expulsion a bit harsh or not?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on May 18, 2012, 09:54:40 AM
What's all the sweat about school inspections? People who work in the private sector have their work inspected every day, de facto. And there are consequences if it's not up to par.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: deiseach on May 18, 2012, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 17, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-boys-including-mick-wallaces-son-expelled-over-facebook-sex-claims-about-teachers-3110904.html

What do ye make of this? Expulsion a bit harsh or not?

No! Jesus Christ, put yourself in the position of someone being smeared in this manner on Facebook, especially someone who is in loco parentis. And you're suggesting they should have go back in and face the little shits? They should be grateful they're not in jail
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 18, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Why would you boycott someone wanting to check you are doing the job you are paid to do?  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 18, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 18, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
The missus finally finished her school inspection yesterday! Might get a shirt ironed for work now  :)

They didn't consider a boycott or are they not INTO members?
Why would you boycott someone wanting to check you are doing the job you are paid to do?  :-\

Lawful industrial action !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 18, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 18, 2012, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 18, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
There gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Shocking.

Or maybe not. You and Evil Genius were both off that day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 18, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
QuoteThere gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Two grammatical mistakes, obviously not a real teacher!
Subtle one, FermGael.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 19, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 18, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
QuoteThere gone.  Only the juniors left.  Time to get the interactive whiteboard set up for the Euro's.

Two grammatical mistakes, obviously not a real teacher!
Subtle one, FermGael.

i will stick to the sums.
Noticed yesterday evening that the new interactive whiteboard has built in speakers.
Some job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 06, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Well somebody's about to get a handy number.......

Quote
GTCNI Registrar/CEO

Salary range: £67,602 to £82,238

The Council is the statutory bodyforthe teaching profession and is dedicated to enhancing the status of teaching and promoting the highest standards of professional conduct and practice.

The Council is seeking to recruit a highly motivated and experienced individual to the position of Registrar/Chief Executive Officer.

ROLE & REMIT: The Registrar's role will be to build on the Council's past achievements and to lead the work of Council as it enters a new era of teacher professionalism. The Registrar will need to have outstanding leadership skills and the capacity to translate organisational vision into deliverable objectives. The Registrar will have proven ability in financial and business planning and have demonstrated significant achievements at a senior management level. The Registrar will have a detailed understanding of the education sector in Northern Ireland and the evolving culture of professional regulation. The Registrar will act as Accounting Officer and should ensure that the organisation operates effectively and to a high standard of probity within the areas of governance, decision making and financial management.

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A degree or equivalent qualification.
At least 3 years' experience gained in a complex organisation, at senior management level in the public, private or voluntary sector.
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Experience of budgetary responsibility within a complex organisation, or a large multi functional department.
Direct, current and personal experience in relevant educational programmes and initiatives.
Experience of successfully managing and developing relationships and partnerships with external stakeholders and fulfilling an advocacy role.
The Council reserves the right to enhance shortlisting criteria should it be necessary to do so.

For an application pack or further information, please contact: Lesley Dickson on 028 9033 3390 or email via the contact button.

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Closing date for returned applications is 21 June 2012.

Interviews for anyone shortlisted will take place on 2nd July

Absolute disgrace. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 07, 2012, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 07, 2012, 06:43:21 PM
16

Would it not be 15 and a half?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: john mcgill on June 08, 2012, 06:51:14 AM
TYP, I can safely predict that it is a lot more than 15 for you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 08, 2012, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: john mcgill on June 08, 2012, 06:51:14 AM
TYP, I can safely predict that it is a lot more than 15 for you

It mustn't be when he himself is claiming 16 days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: oakleafgael on June 09, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
It seems it is impossible to get the boot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18338742

Crumlin Integrated College pupils and parents oppose Dr Annabel Scott's return
Parents and pupils gathered at the gates of Crumlin Integrated College for the protest A protest has been held at the gates of a County Antrim school over the return of its principal, who had been suspended for two years.

Dr Annabel Scott was suspended from Crumlin Integrated College following a damning inspection report.

Parents and pupils gathered to voice their opposition to her return.

The North Eastern board said Dr Scott had undergone an "intensive training programme to address the performance issues highlighted by the inspection".

One parent, Sylvia Darragh, said they felt they had to protest because the inspection's findings were "so severe".

"It was rated 'unsatisfactory', which is the lowest rating the Education and Training Inspectorate can give a school," she said.

"Because of the abysmal job Dr Scott did originally, we feel she's not fit to come back to the school and we don't want her in charge of our children."

'Challenging time'

The North Eastern Education and Library Board (NEELB) said in a statement that the school's board of governors had agreed Dr Scott could resume her full-time duties, "and in doing, so be provided with the opportunity to demonstrate to the school and its community improved leadership of the school".

It said Dr Scott would continue to be provided with training and support, and the Education and Training Inspectorate would examine her report "in due course".

A spokesman said: "It is acknowledged that this is a challenging time for the staff and school community as the board of governors endeavour to meet their legal requirements in respect of supporting the principal to improve her performance.

"The North Eastern board would assure the college of its full support the coming days"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on June 09, 2012, 05:40:47 PM
Obviously the principal takes ultimate responsibility but the teachers couldn't have been up to much either.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 09, 2012, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 09, 2012, 05:40:47 PM
Obviously the principal takes ultimate responsibility but the teachers couldn't have been up to much either.
It seems that inspections are spaced so far apart that the wheels can come off without anyone knowing about it. A couple of schools in Armagh got roasted lately too and the integrated closed down a few years ago off the back of a damning report.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 09, 2012, 07:18:41 PM
Teachers are being inspected every day of the week by parents !!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 13, 2012, 09:21:44 PM
ONeill, TYP, see your message inbox.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on June 13, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
10 days (minus the w'ends)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 14, 2012, 12:46:58 AM
I wish I was permanent. :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 22, 2012, 09:39:11 PM
taken from
     http://www.guardian.co.uk/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2012/may/19/secret-teacher-letter-home    (http://www.guardian.co.uk/teacher-network/teacher-blog/2012/may/19/secret-teacher-letter-home)
Dear Mr and Mrs Parent,

I'm sorry I have to write to you, but it is important you know that your daughter is not progressing as well as she could at school. This isn't her fault, it is the school's.

I only teach your daughter one subject, RE, which she is forced to do and she isn't terribly interested in it. I see her once a week for 50 minutes. As there are 30 other students in the class this means that, if I did nothing else all lesson, I could spend about 100 seconds with her as an individual a week. To teach her, to get to know her, to understand her as a young person. But, as you well know, there are some children in her class who demand much more of my time. This inevitably means that some students will be left with nothing. Unfortunately, that applies to your child. I'll be honest, I haven't held a proper conversation with her in weeks.

I teach 400 children. Slightly more, actually, but we'll call it 400. That means your daughter counts for 0.25% of the children I teach. It is difficult for me to honestly and accurately tell you anything about her, so please forgive me if I speak in vague generalities at parents' evening and try to avoid using your daughter's name. I might have forgotten it.

I teach twenty five lessons a week. Despite my best intentions, some of these lessons are boring. To plan an outstanding lesson can take hours. I can't do that for every lesson I teach. Sometimes I stand in class delivering a lesson I know isn't as good as it could be. I know how to make it better. I just didn't have the time to do it. I don't think the children notice, they are used to this.

Schools are full of middle-management types. They like to take "learning walks" around the school and "quality control". They sit at the back of my class and want to know if the students have been told their "learning objectives" and if they are sat in a "seating plan". They believe that learning simply cannot take place if the students haven't been told what to do and where to sit. What you might consider real work: comprehension, creative writing, silent reading or a class questioning the teacher about the topic being studied is considered hopelessly old-fashioned and slightly abusive by my superiors. Instead they like almost anything involving power-points, scissors and glue. All work for students needs to be scaffolded. That means be done for them. The very notion of giving a student a task they might fail is considered child abuse. Every task must be completable within about ten minutes.

The school needs to improve, but I'm not sure it can. Common sense and trust in human communication is being forced out of the profession. A lot of teachers seem to like being told exactly what to do and how to do it. The status quo is just fine for a lot of middle and senior management too. It allows them to wield power, justify inflated salaries and be recognised by their peers as being "outstanding" teachers. A recognition the children in their classes would never give them. Never mind. They never really liked teaching children that much anyway.

I'm sorry to have to write to you like this and tell you that your daughter is under-performing. But I'm part of this system. And I had to confess.

Yours

Secret Teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 25, 2012, 12:25:46 AM
Didn't think these reports made the news. Shows the pressure the leaderships of schools are under. The report appears to highlight just one failing aspect of the school's performance but the BT run the story.

Grammar school's leadership rapped in damning report

School inspectors have rated the leadership and management at Larne Grammar School as "inadequate".

The damning report by the Education and Training Inspectorate states:

In important aspects of leadership and management, including governance, there is insufficient improvement since the standard inspection;

The school's process of self-evaluation leading to improvement is not making a significant impact on improving the overall quality of education in the school;

The current CEIAG (careers education, information, advice and guidance) programme lacks coherence;

Important aspects of strategic leadership and management, including governance, remain inadequate.

The school's senior leadership team, including the principal and the board of governors, have been ordered to "improve significantly the poor working relationships that exist between and among a significant minority of the teaching staff, the SLT and the governors", and "improve the quality of the provision for CEIAG".

However, inspectors pointed out that the standards attained by pupils at A-level have improved from below the Northern Ireland average for similar schools to above the NI average. ETI rated the overall quality of education as "satisfactory" — the fourth lowest of six possible grades, unchanged from an inspection in 2010.

Inspectors warned "in important aspects of management, including governance, there is insufficient improvement since the standard inspection and significant areas for improvement remain to be addressed".

It is the second blow for the school this year after teacher Julie Muldrew successfully won a case against the board of governors that she had been "unlawfully and indirectly discriminated against" on gender grounds. She was awarded £5,000 compensation.

The Belfast Telegraph on Monday tried to contact several members of the board of governors by phone and email but they were not immediately available for comment.

To get a copy of the report go to www.etini.gov.uk/index/inspection-reports/inspection-reports-post-primary/inspection-reports-post-primary-2012/follow-up-inspection-larne-grammar-school-co-antrim.pdf

Background

Larne Grammar is a co-educational voluntary grammar school that caters for 741 pupils aged 11-19. One of the proposals in the area plans published by the North Eastern Education and Library Board this month is for Larne High School and Larne Grammar School to establish a partnership, leading to the creation of one co-educational school for 1,200 pupils.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/education/grammar-schoolrsquos-leadership-rapped-in-damning-report-16189040.html?r=RSS#ixzz21aLw6t39
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 25, 2012, 12:51:23 PM
Just on O'Neil's post regarding the last part. the teacher taking the school on in relation to "unlawfully and indirectly discriminated against" was that for a job within the school she went for?

It's just that I know a teacher who is doing something similar at their school. Three of them went for a job and based on the criteria and job description the teacher felt that he/she was best placed for the job, though during the interview the line of questions did not relate to the job description. He/she didn't get the job and has started legal procedures against the principle.

I find the teachers actions crazy, plenty people go for jobs and the interview sometimes doesn't go the way it was intended but when you don't get it, that's that, take it on the chin and move on. Will it be difficult for the teacher to work in that environment after the case gets seen?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: 02 on August 24, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 08:01:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.

Thats's great good luck with it .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 27, 2012, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 27, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 27, 2012, 07:52:37 AM
So when is everyone back? I'm back on Thursday in my new job.

Fair play deelin did you get a job in Mayo ?

I sure did. Around 20 minutes from the house.

So it's true then. Teachers do get it handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
Back tomorrow. Sure it's not long til Halloween anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 27, 2012, 08:55:06 AM
Won't be long now!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 27, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 27, 2012, 08:33:54 AM
Back tomorrow. Sure it's not long til Halloween anyway.
Back to fish fingers and oven chips from tomorrow for me too!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on August 27, 2012, 11:06:52 AM
Great news about your job far.

Congrats and good luck for it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on August 27, 2012, 01:27:47 PM
Quoteanybody any advice for me?

Sure; let up on the question marks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on August 28, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Complications..... >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 28, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 08, 2012, 12:06:50 AM
One week done. All downhill now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 08, 2012, 12:36:47 AM


You're not wrong there. After a week being back my missus is about ready for another holiday. Thank God I've booked a few days in Killarney at Halloween for the Horslips gig







Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on September 08, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 28, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.

Good man Mayo!!! Hi where will be the best place to watch the final??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 08, 2012, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on September 08, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on September 07, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 28, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 27, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
ill be joining this illustrious band next year hahaha!!

lads going to Liverpool Hope in 2 weeks time to do my Primary PGCE; anybody any advice for me?? any things i should be doing? and more importantly where to watch the All-Ireland final and would i have time (with my course) to join a local GAA club to help coach and such as my playing days are over?? wolfe tones are just a 19 minute walk away?

I'd say either Mitchells or Wolfe Tones would be more than glad to get someone involved in the club. Prob more scope in Mitchells as they have decent under age setup and ladies teams. If you're looking contact details drop me a PM and I can send ya details.

Welcome to Liverpool theticklemister, there is some crowd of Irish over there. Ya will hardly know your in England at all.

Good man Mayo!!! Hi where will be the best place to watch the final??
Croke Park.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 05, 2012, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.

3 weeks into my primary pgce here; getting er alright at the minute. I think when ye go on placement it all starts to kick off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 05, 2012, 02:55:05 PM
Happy World Teachers Day.  :P

I'm sick at home so that's why I'm posting before 3 o'clock.

I refused to buy any cards, only found out when I went to J'town today for class that they were celebrating teachers, Hallmark think of everything ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on October 06, 2012, 01:38:02 AM
Also National Vodka day. Maybe just an innocent coincidence....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 06, 2012, 09:40:52 AM
I was celebratung that last night but I didn't know it was a national holiday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: The Worker on October 10, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Some good news on the local teaching front,

New teaching jobs being created by NI Executive


Plans to provide employment for newly qualified teachers in Northern Ireland are to be announced later.

A number will be offered two-year contracts to provide one-on-one tuition for children and young people who are struggling with basic skills such as literacy.

The Ulster Teachers' Union said it was a "welcome initiative" that would help to raise standards.

A scheme to create health intervention posts will also be announced.

BBC NI political editor Mark Devenport said the announcements were designed to create employment in an innovative way.

"One of the initiatives will be to provide employment to newly qualified young teachers who haven't been able to find employment in schools - there are quite a few of them because the system was turning out too many of them," he said.

"The idea is obviously that you try to give some of the skills to those who have fallen through the cracks of the system and at the same time give some experience to the young teachers who are finding it hard to get on the first rung of the employment ladder. The idea is that you solve two problems with the one measure."



Avril Hall Callaghan, from the Ulster Teachers' Union, welcomed the move, saying: "We're just delighted that there can be a scheme that will give employment to young teachers because at present we have an aging teaching workforce.

"Only 12% of teachers in schools at the moment are under the age of 30 and yet we have something like 4,000 young teachers who have qualified in recent years with no jobs."

She said the idea of the scheme was to "free up" places for young teachers by allowing people who are older to exit the teaching profession.

Ms Hall Callaghan said the scheme was about "raising standards, reinvigorating the workforce and targeting areas of social disadvantage".

Another initiative due to be announced is a scheme involving health intervention staff working in deprived areas with around 1,200 families who need help across Northern Ireland.

First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness will give more details about the jobs at Stormont.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
You going for one of these £125k pa jobs advertised on front of the IN today?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 07, 2012, 11:32:07 PM
125 grand not bad but would ye want to walk into a school where a bunch of weemen are fighting ad bitching amongst each other????
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 10, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
Anyone have information on the use of summative or formative assessment they wouldn't mind emailing me? Would help a lot when doing this essay! Doing a PGCE at the moment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 10, 2012, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 10, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
Anyone have information on the use of summative or formative assessment they wouldn't mind emailing me? Would help a lot when doing this essay! Doing a PGCE at the moment.
Use google you lazy hoor.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
I don't care who, I mean ask that person! If yis did less f**king Harlem Shake and drinking Buckfasht youse would have more time for hitting the books.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on March 11, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Hi lads, me mate is doing an essay on the provision of geography in the classroom as a primary pgce assignment. He is doing my head in since I got great help from a board member here earlier in the year with history and he wants the same. If so pm me so he can stop doing my head in.
Who got you the history stuff? Ask them to ask a geography teacher.

Get it handy alright... ;)

He is sitting beside me now calling ye all the names of the day.

Ah i don't give names out now!!!
I don't care who, I mean ask that person! If yis did less f**king Harlem Shake and drinking Buckfasht youse would have more time for hitting the books.

Still don't know what the harlem shake is; and I have yet to touch the buckfast in the 2012/13 student season.

Tony are ye wan of those cranky oul teachers??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 11, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 11, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!
Should you not be marking sums or correcting spelling?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 12, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2013, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on March 11, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Tony is obsessed with the teaching profession and this thread in particular!!!
Should you not be marking sums or correcting spelling?

  What did I tell ye !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 12, 2013, 10:49:20 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.







PS. I'm not a teacher!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on March 12, 2013, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: Orior on March 12, 2013, 10:49:20 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.

I thought those were essential qualifications for principalships?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LeoMc on March 12, 2013, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Orior on March 12, 2013, 10:49:20 AM
Teachers get it handy, unless their principal is a vindictive evil b**tard ****.







PS. I'm not a teacher!

Have you been talking to TYP?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 12, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
No. Should I?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 22, 2013, 10:01:28 PM
Won't be long now !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 23, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: the green man on June 23, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Been a while since you've been about!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on June 23, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
Quote from: the green man on June 23, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?

My wife's friend is one.  The same one who thought Clonmel was just outside Naas.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: the green man on June 23, 2013, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: the green man on June 23, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Any secondary school geography teachers on here?
Been a while since you've been about!

I only get let out now and again
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 23, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
My dad (a retired hisory teacher) has two - MA and MPhil which he did during his teaching career. he just loved and still loves all the research. Nothing to do with job, just passion for history.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 23, 2013, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 23, 2013, 08:32:43 PM
My dad (a retired hisory teacher) has two - MA and MPhil which he did during his teaching career. he just loved and still loves all the research. Nothing to do with job, just passion for history.

I assume your Mum was not an English teacher? lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2013, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man ticklemister, you're soon joining the great gaaboard teaching community :D. Fáilte Romhat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man!! No problem at all. Are you coming home to look work? I know a load of boys away to the Middle East to teach and theyre getting paid a lot more than you get here!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

Have one also; a pile of shit.

3 days left and im a teacher, wop-de-do!

Jim Stynes good man for helping me out earlier in the year; got a decent mark with your information.

Good man!! No problem at all. Are you coming home to look work? I know a load of boys away to the Middle East to teach and theyre getting paid a lot more than you get here!!

probably back here in lpool. wains are wee friggers but fell into a great bunch of lads with the new gaa club.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 23, 2013, 10:38:08 PM
I think the late, great SaffronSam2 once referred to "greasey pole climbers".
;D. Fcukin stu.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: scoopmine on June 23, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
I'm about to start the PDE in Trinity in August. Hope to join all the rest of these teachers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 12:32:29 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.

School management posts are fast becoming not worth the effort

Too much paperwork involved

Teachers in the North are giving them up

They amount to about an extra £7 per day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
It s not an extra 2500 per annul.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 24, 2013, 09:08:52 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 12:32:29 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 23, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
One more week! Anyone ever do a masters? I'm starting one next week in St Mary's and I am completely dreading it.
About 99% of people I know that have done a Masters (me included), would claim it was a waste of time and expense in relation to improving employability. Typically used to waste a year.

This is my fear that it will be a waste of time. I have a module to do this summer, one in jan 14, one next summer and then a full year to complete the dissertation. It's in Ed Management adn School Organisation. My principal said I would see the benefits from it when I am looking to apply for management roles in schools. I am dreading it but I dont have children at the minute so it is probably the best time to do it.
The missus says yes it will be worth it for school mgt posts so better doing it now.

School management posts are fast becoming not worth the effort

Too much paperwork involved

Teachers in the North are giving them up

They amount to about an extra £7 per day

Add to that list vindicative stupid lying principals backed up by a spineless board of governors.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 24, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 24, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
It s not an extra 2500 per annul.

Teaching Allowances start at £1,847 for TA1 and move up to TA5: £11,911
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on June 28, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
I'd advise the ordinary folk to stay in tonight and not be going to the boozer as the place will be full of teachers on their end of year bash. They won't have been out since Christmas so they'll have a fierce thirst on them. Be bored to tears as you watch them take up kitties every 30 minutes cos the cnuts are too mean to put in anything more that a fiver a time. Laugh your arse off as before they leave they ask the bar men to bottle the drink they haven't drunk, cos they were too mean to miss a round being bought with the kitty regardless of what they had in front of them.  The only plus is that they'll all be gone by 11 as they'll be up early to catch the last boat to France before the summer fares kick in
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 28, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 28, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
I'd advise the ordinary folk to stay in tonight and not be going to the boozer as the place will be full of teachers on their end of year bash. They won't have been out since Christmas so they'll have a fierce thirst on them. Be bored to tears as you watch them take up kitties every 30 minutes cos the cnuts are too mean to put in anything more that a fiver a time. Laugh your arse off as before they leave they ask the bar men to bottle the drink they haven't drunk, cos they were too mean to miss a round being bought with the kitty regardless of what they had in front of them.  The only plus is that they'll all be gone by 11 as they'll be up early to catch the last boat to France before the summer fares kick in

  Stay you at home then!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
Great feeling to have the holidays today all right. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on June 28, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
Great feeling to have the holidays today all right. ;D

#wasters
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 17, 2014, 01:04:47 AM
Lads im supply teaching in England at minute and with Key Portfolio umbrella group. They take about 30-40 quid a week from my wages for  a handling fee and NIC but on the plus side all my expenses are tax free. However as my schools are quite close i dont have much expenses. Im losing money. Has anyone ever dealt with this before? Can you stop using an Umbrela company?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on January 17, 2014, 10:03:49 AM
Work in recruitment and we have used umbrella companies in the past for payruns. But to be honest they're more benefit to the agency than to the candidate, as the agency saves more money by ofsetting some of the expenses. They're a legal loophole and I'd be fairly confident that they'll be gone in a few years. The government are already tighting the noose. (We had to change companies last year as the one we were with was closed overnight!)
If your working through an agency you might be able to request to withdraw from the umbrella company and get paid direct from the agency. We offer both opportunities to candidates. But I know some agencies only offer the umbrella option so that might not be possible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 17, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
They are a bunch of cowboys Ted!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: supersarsfields on January 17, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
Yip, the ones I've dealt with are complete gangsters. You'd need to watch every payslip, and keep an eye on your holiday entitlements.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: scoopmine on February 04, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
Hey lads anyone finish the PDE and head across the water here. Looking at London in September as there is a slim chance of anything coming up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 06, 2014, 11:23:46 PM
An Roinn Oideachais, Teach Ráth Giall, 43 Bóthar Bhaile Aodha, Ráth Giall, Beannchar, Co an Dúin BT19 7PR

Department of Education, Rathgael House, 43 Balloo Road, Rathgill, Bangor, Co Down BT19 7PR

Männystrie o Lear, Rathgael Hoose, 43 Balloo Róad, Rathgill, Bang'r, Coontie Doon BT19 7PR
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 07, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 07, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?

Yip, we get off next Friday for a well deserved week off   ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on February 07, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Don't worry LL, I only get 2 days!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Syferus on February 07, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
My history teacher from Nathy's died at 56 last week from Motor Neurone Disease, Father Andrew Finan. He was the only teacher I had all five years.

We drove him absolutely mental and he couldn't control a class for love or money but he has a wealth of knowledge and passion. He'd talk openly about almost any topic with students, from his appreciation of the Simpsons, to his love of Jeff Sterling and the Sky Sports News match-day show to the sillier aspects of Catholicism. He was intelligent in an earthy, unpretentious way that very few people I have met are. He always seemed like he was happiest when he was sharing his passions with others.

He was one of the only teachers who was more concerned about teaching than he was about getting students over the Leaving Cert and, honestly, when all the other memories of classes and fretting over points long since have faded I'll always remember the passion he had, it was special.

http://www.stnathys.com/?page_id=3989

Robur Nathaei.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:23:27 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on February 07, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 07, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Any of ye privileged to get the week off for the mid-term?
Another week off? Sure yer only back after Christmas holidays what would you want another week off for? It's not like ye work that hard.
Don't worry LL, I only get 2 days!

And are ye getting paid for these days?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 07, 2014, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 07, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
He was intelligent in an earthy, unpretentious way that very few people I have met are. He always seemed like he was happiest when he was sharing his passions with others.

He was one of the only teachers who was more concerned about teaching than he was about getting students over the Leaving Cert and, honestly, when all the other memories of classes and fretting over points long since have faded I'll always remember the passion he had, it was special.


I think the penny is dropping finally that this is real teaching. A good teacher can get a good pupil the top grade at A Level/Leaving Cert. An exceptional teacher can do that and make the experience enjoyable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 08, 2014, 12:02:26 AM
Dont know why we give it so bad to teachers, alot on here am sure had a chance to become teachers, i could off, but it wasnt for me, and decided on a building bckground finally ending up as a building surveyor.I knew the holidays, it was what my parents wanted me to do but wasnt my thing. Yes i look on on the good holidays especially in the summer with abit of envy but dont really give out about cause i could went down that path if i had wished.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
We're fackin rich.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:19:40 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
We're fackin rich.

Saying you are overpaid is not the same as saying you are rich.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 08, 2014, 01:36:00 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

In 26 of the rain sodden counties of this island €59,359 is in fact the top of the scale for teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Syferus on February 08, 2014, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.

Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:51:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 08, 2014, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?

I already have a career.

You could say those 12 additional weeks holidays are perks which should be taxed. Why does the Irish state pay people to be on holidays so often? Perhaps teachers should have to do 12 weeks of labour in kind for the Irish state to earn the pay of these 12 extra weeks. Another option would be to pay them the same rate as people on the dole for 12 weeks a year.

Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

It is clearly wrong that other sections of Irish society have to fund this luxury, especially in times of economic hardship.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
But you've made up an imaginary salary, just to get annoyed about it. Your calculations are nonsense and you are obviously very frustrated in your own career that you look on another with such envy. I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: THE MIGHTY QUINN on February 08, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Well if teachers don't earn that amount, then it's a disgrace.  My wife earns less than £50K as a teacher in the North, it's a disgrace when you consider what she has to do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: THE MIGHTY QUINN on February 08, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:20:26 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

And your point is?

Seriously overpaid for the hours they actually work.

But teachers don't get €59,359 or €78,610. Maybe you should do it if its so easy and well paid?
Well if teachers don't earn that amount, then it's a disgrace.  My wife earns less than £50K as a teacher in the North, it's a disgrace when you consider what she has to do.

In the north how much holidays do they get, they get considerable less time off am I right? I have no issue in paying teachers for time worked.

What does she have to do, does she work with more difficult people than police, medical professionals, health professionals, social work, fire, military etc. who work full time?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 10:56:22 AM
People who have not worked in the teaching profession really don't have a clue.  I worked as a teacher in England for 8 1/2 years, and although the holidays are allocated differently, I think I'm right in saying that all UK teachers get approximately 13 weeks off per year (i.e. Approximately 65 working days).  When I worked as a teacher, a significant amount of this time off was spent working.  In the 39 remaining working weeks of the year, I would estimate that I worked approximately 60 hours per week, with this rising in the run-up to deadlines for submission of coursework etc.  Given what I was being paid, I don't think I was getting a particularly good deal.  Coupled with the ridiculous expectations placed on you relating to targets, together with the constant criticism that teachers are subjected to, I would not recommend a career in teaching to anyone. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.

Well I know nothing about your job but I think you are overpaid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 08:28:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 06:34:31 AM
I doubt it's the teachers that have got Irelands finances into the mess that its in.
Having recently worked on local authority budgets, i can tell you that even if they were all paid €59k, the teachers are far down the pecking order of well paid public employees. So many local authority staff are ridiculously well paid.

Rois, there lies in a major problem. There are too many people shielded from austerity that others have had to bare the brunt. There are many other areas of the public and private sector were people are underpaid.

Bennyharp, I used have a few teachers who used boast how they would never get the sack (as their jobs were secure) and all the holidays they would get. Many of those teachers were good but several were useless and more interested in their farm, their private business (shop etc.) or their long trips away following the ROI soccer team around Europe for the summer.

I'm sure plenty of people you work with in the private sector are useless too. But it doesn't
mean everyone else is overpaid.

I work in the public sector.

Well I know nothing about your job but I think you are overpaid.

My teacher friends would disagree with you, in fact they would say I am underpaid. Then again they are used to my questioning of teachers holidays and they of course know my area of work. They have long moved beyond defending their holidays to gloating about them, to make an attempt at winning this old argument.

Personally I do not want additional pay, I am more annoyed at resources being removed from my area of work, pushing to the limits the standard of service we can provide and the worsening working conditions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:12:57 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:12:57 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?

Couldn't put a number on it. As you said, it can change from month to month. For me, from late March to early July it's 6/7 days a week mostly, really stepping it up in June (every waking second) as I'm an examiner but that's my choice. In terms of weekly - 23 hrs class time, say 10 hours home prep, 6/7 hours for in-school prep and meetings. But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water - apart from getting called Harry Hill or other types of shenanigans that comes with the territory of teaching in an inner-city secondary school - it's what I want to do and I hope I'm still enjoying it in 10 years time. There seems to be a real burn-out at around 50-52 so I'll hold back on declaring anything about my future.

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:12:57 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.

I acknowledge that many (maybe most) teachers are conscientious. I acknowledge many use their own time after their working day has ended to complete work related tasks. I remember teachers used to have free classes, I presume all use this time to try and get through some of those tasks, and do not take them as extra breaks.

In the ROI and in the UK, how much class time does an average teacher work each week?

Many other public (and private) sector employees work through their breaks, work hours of unpaid overtime on a regular basis, work unsociable hours and still work the full year around.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

I'm not sure that is a "young'uns" thing. Moving away from teaching specifically. I find it irritating how some folks are always in a rush to take all their breaks (and then some) and are clock watching to go home and seem to go through the motions, while others work through all their breaks, work overtime for free, are willing to do all the unsociable hours and break their back carrying those going through the motions. I am sure this exists in teaching too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: michaelg on February 08, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 11:17:20 AM
I get something like 32000 a year after 14 years of teaching. That's more than enough. I could seek more if I wanted to through promotion etc but not interested. There's more to life than work and money.

Teachers are quare moaners. Try digging a hole.
More or less everyone moans about your their job.  Fair play to you if you are happy in yours.  When I worked as a teacher, I just found it a little annoying that people from outside the teaching profession regularly passed comment on teachers' holidays and pay etc, with little or no understanding of what the job actually entailed.
Incidentally, how long on average would you find yourself having to work per week to keep your head above water?

Couldn't put a number on it. As you said, it can change from month to month. For me, from late March to early July it's 6/7 days a week mostly, really stepping it up in June (every waking second) as I'm an examiner but that's my choice. In terms of weekly - 23 hrs class time, say 10 hours home prep, 6/7 hours for in-school prep and meetings. But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water - apart from getting called Harry Hill or other types of shenanigans that comes with the territory of teaching in an inner-city secondary school - it's what I want to do and I hope I'm still enjoying it in 10 years time. There seems to be a real burn-out at around 50-52 so I'll hold back on declaring anything about my future.

If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.
When you say 'But it doesn't feel like keeping my head above water', do you mean that you are comfortably on top of things with that level of work or do you mean you still need do more?  In addition to what you have outlined re workload, I found the biggest killer was the marking - So time-consuming to complete it in line with school marking polices etc.
You are right about the burn-out thing.  Every year for about 5 years in the school I worked in, there was a teacher in their 50s who either had a breakdown, heart attack etc.  I could see the writing on the wall and chose to get out of it as a result.  You are also right about not seeking further promotion.  I became Head of Department, after my boss had a heart attack and had to retire, and it is absolutely not worth the hassle. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 08, 2014, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 08, 2014, 12:12:57 PM
Right, I am going to lay off the teachers for a while. I believe a high percentage do a good job and many deal with challenging behaviour (as does many many other people in their job), my gripe is the amount they get paid for time not actually worked. I have respect for most teachers despite what it may have appeared from my last few posts, that does not take from my annoyance at public funded holidays. Funds that could be spent on improving public services.

My last point on the topic too - if teachers only got paid for the hours they were in school or college and didn't have to do anything outside of those hours then I would absolutely agree that they are over paid. What you fail to want to acknowledge is the many hours outside those hours that are not officially paid for - in effect the better, more conscientious teachers who spend time planning and marking etc get paid less for their time than the lazy ones you seem to have experience of.

I acknowledge that many (maybe most) teachers are conscientious. I acknowledge many use their own time after their working day has ended to complete work related tasks. I remember teachers used to have free classes, I presume all use this time to try and get through some of those tasks, and do not take them as extra breaks.

In the ROI and in the UK, how much class time does an average teacher work each week?

Many other public (and private) sector employees work through their breaks, work hours of unpaid overtime on a regular basis, work unsociable hours and still work the full year around.

It's not overtime though. Its part of the job everyday of every week. Personally I don't mind as I have myself well organised but every week I mark approx 125 A level homeworks for 5 groups which take approx 15 to 20 mins each. That's approx. 31.5 hours extra per week. Most of the "free lessons" are spent doing workshop with students who have either missed a lesson or who are struggling. This also doesn't include the 2 x 1 hour meetings per week and any preparation time. Like I said, I'm pretty well organised and love the job but I wouldn't consider myself overpaid. Just out of interest - what do you reckon would be a fair salary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2014, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Annual salary paid in 12 equal monthly installments. Is this not common practice for salaried workers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2014, 05:25:28 PM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.
Would agree with that. Even the standard of application forms is atrocious for many graduates and too many come into work thinking the hard work is over. We are taking on more and more school leavers on apprenticeships as they are cheaper but seem keener to learn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2014, 05:21:04 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 08, 2014, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 07, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
Secondary School Teachers get 12 paid weeks off in the Summer, approx 2 weeks at Xmas and say another 1 week at Easter. Lets not add in all the other random days they get off.

So that Is 15 weeks off (probably being very generous to teachers). Now lets minus the 3 weeks a new starter would have as annual leave in most other jobs (ie 12 weeks extra). Going on the pre-Jan 2011 payscales, a new stater in Dec 2010/Sept 2010 would now be on €33,041 (Ignoring all the other payments they can get).

So they get €33,041 for 37 weeks actually worked. Lets average that out to 49 weeks work that everyone else does (early part of career). So that means that if they had to work 49 weeks like everyone else on their rate of pay they would in fact be 3 years into their job on €43,757 a year.

If my maths are correct (and there is a good chance I have made an error) then someone 25 years into their career would be on €59,359 or €78,610 if the were to actually work a 49 week year.

Is that true, do they not get paid pro-rata?
Annual salary paid in 12 equal monthly installments. Is this not common practice for salaried workers?

My wife doesn't work July or August to look after the kids, she gets paid in 12 equal monthly installments pro-rata.  I thought this was true for teachers also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 11:13:09 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 11:08:23 AM
FFS listen to yourselves. You lads are only 40 too. Grumble grumble.
Fcuk up you, I'm still in my thirties  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 09, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
Bad hangover HS? !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 09, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
That would be a good way to end every film. Even Titanic or ET.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 09, 2014, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 11:34:34 AM

Rois, what fcukin age are you?? I thought you were in the younger generation of your profession?


;D you're dead right HS.

It was class having parents who were teachers in the summer time. Neither swung the lead though!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 09, 2014, 07:20:38 PM
I've never heard so much f**king winging about holidays teachers get, god only knows why thon Mayo twit keeps asking his friends about teaching then comes on here asking same f**king questions!!

First question, do you have friends?

Second question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
QuoteSecond question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?

Can anyone give a convincing answer to that one?

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: take_yer_points on February 09, 2014, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM
QuoteSecond question, do you suffer from Alzheimer's?

Can anyone give a convincing answer to that one?

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.

Maybe if they squeezed an extra week in they'd be ready for the inspections they get.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 09, 2014, 08:53:50 PM
Yis miserable, self-applauding shower of bastids!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on February 09, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 09, 2014, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 11:34:34 AM

Rois, what fcukin age are you?? I thought you were in the younger generation of your profession?


;D you're dead right HS.

It was class having parents who were teachers in the summer time. Neither swung the lead though!

I'm younger than Rois...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 09, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.

No, I'd make the kids do it too. Young people today are often ignorant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 09, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 09, 2014, 07:28:45 PM

However, I suspect second level schools could squeeze in an extra week or so.
Just because you want teachers to be seen to be working for their wage doesn't mean children should be made to suffer them for an extra week.
You can demand that the teachers do community service instead, anything, but leave the kids out of it.

No, I'd make the kids do it too. Young people today are often ignorant.

Exactly, teachers and children over say 14 should have to do community service for say 8 of those weeks. They could start by building a motorway from Cork - Derry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:26:07 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.

Again what incentive is for the person to stay beyond their contractual hours, fair play to them I say.  It's amazing that it's always the lowest paid who are expected to stay on whilst managers swan in and out whenever they want.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.

You sound like a p***k in our place.  So people with children who want to get home and collect them from nursery before it closes are lazy b**tards, you sound like one complete f**king ballbag.  Keep staying back and rack up them gold stars - muppet!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 10:26:10 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:29:12 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 09, 2014, 04:02:42 PM
Oh, you stayed behind to do someone else's work- have a gold star. Remember, folks, 10 gold stars in 1 month and your boss will treat you to coffee!

I must be a few stars off a coffee plantation at this stage. Lazy bastids, with their "I have children at home", should have kept their legs crossed imo.

You sound like a p***k in our place.  So people with children who want to get home and collect them from nursery before it closes are lazy b**tards, you sound like one complete f**king ballbag.  Keep staying back and rack up them gold stars - muppet!

Are you one of those ones sneaking out early leaving others to do your job? You get no thanks in my job for staying late but it is one of those jobs where you cannot just leave things undone until tomorrow, it is a 24 hour setting. I was joking about the children bit, playing along with hardstations comment. Many people use that excuse every day, so they expect other people to stay late because someone has to. Some jobs don't have the luxury of a closing time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 10, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 08:26:07 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 09, 2014, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: Cold tea on February 09, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: laoislad on February 08, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on February 08, 2014, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 08, 2014, 12:40:59 PM


If I had a gripe about the profession, it would be the attitude of trainee teachers. There seems to be a lack of willingness to really embrace the job and go all out to impress prospective employers by working damn hard. Maybe that's the same everywhere. Young'uns nowadays.

It's the same in our place.

It's the same everywhere. I've had apprentices that just didn't give a shite.
I would have gotten a kick up the hole if I was at that craic,from my boss and from my aul fella.

And in all these situations do these young un's get extra salary / reward for going above and beyond and busting their hole.  I think fair play to this generation you work to live, gone are the days where people will be treated as mugs and work for nothing, fair play to them - wish i had the balls when I was younger to say it's 5pm I am away home to my life.
I think you have missed the point (not for the first time). It is what they do, or don't do, between 9 and 5 is part of the issue.

People not pulling their weight during working hours really pisses me off.     I also find it a bit irksome that some people timewatch and are ready to head for the door bang on finishing while others will continue to work to help colleagues and service users/clients/customers (pick approp) or even complete tasks the person in a rush to leave should of done.

Again what incentive is for the person to stay beyond their contractual hours, fair play to them I say.  It's amazing that it's always the lowest paid who are expected to stay on whilst managers swan in and out whenever they want.

I suppose the incentive for many is not recognition nor money but a sense of duty in ensuring the job is done as it should be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cold tea on February 10, 2014, 10:46:28 AM
Grow a set off balls and go home,it it isn't done point out why, i.e. others are skiving, if you're covering for them all the time you deserve all you get.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P

Well done, you deserve it for all the hard work posting on here  ;) ;)

(says me  8) )
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
Anyways, roll on next week for mid term break :P

Well done, you deserve it for all the hard work posting on here  ;) ;)

(says me  8) )

I'm not off, I not that lucky, students are in nearly all f**king year but the wife is off so she can have the housework done and the dinners on the table, ironing all done and .............
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on February 10, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
Are teachers overpaid babysitters?
Let's imagine for a moment that teachers were paid a baby-sitter's salary. Let's assume that they charge £3.00 an hour per kid. They "babysit" 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday. That's eight hours a day, five days a week, for approximately nine months (or 36 weeks) a year.

•8 hours x £3.00/hr = £24 a day per student.
•£24/student x 25 students = £600 a day per class
•36 weeks x 5 days per week = 180 days
•£600 x 180 days = £108,000/year salary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
That's a good estimation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on February 10, 2014, 04:21:19 PM
QuoteThey "babysit" 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday.

Make that 32 kids here in Mexico. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about

Is Robin Askwith cleaning windows out Jordanstown way?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 10, 2014, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 10, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
the milkman done?

He was sacked years ago, the window cleaner I'm worried about

Is Robin Askwith cleaning windows out Jordanstown way?

They were some films!! dirty brute
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 10, 2014, 10:25:30 PM
Try the old supply teaching. The wains treat you with no respect and you do get the holidays off but you don't get paid a penny. Mind you it's great going home through the door at 4 and not having to do any work thereafter. Then up at 6.30 the next morning, chuck on a suit, have your Weetabix and wait for a phone call...............that may never come; and you lose £80 quid.

Mind you again, I have afternoon work tomorrow for 2 hours, no marking but only £40.

I think the average day in England is £120, the agency take £40 off you for helping you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Asal Mor on April 10, 2014, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 10, 2014, 04:21:19 PM
QuoteThey "babysit" 25 children from 8AM to 3PM Monday through Friday.

Make that 32 kids here in Mexico.

Are you teaching in Mexico Billy?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on April 10, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Do you have to stay in England?  I can link you in with a summer school in Switzerland if that's any use. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: Rois on April 10, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Je Rois thats very kind. Yeah i am in England for the summer, committed to the ball here till September.

Do you have to stay in England?  I can link you in with a summer school in Switzerland if that's any use. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on April 10, 2014, 10:53:29 AM
Ah no worries.  It's a great place if you're young, free and single and a teacher - you only have to teach in the morning, then go and do activities with kids in the afternoons like outdoor pool, rafting, visiting tourist sports.  In fact, the same people have an international primary and secondary school over there as well as the summer school.  They're from Tyrone though.  That wouldn't have worked. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 10, 2014, 10:05:08 PM
That sounds ideal for putting in the summer!! What's the pay like?

Anyone any good recommendations for iPad apps for ks1 and ks2? I use a few really simple ones with my P6 class and they're addicted to them, especially one called 'Tap Math'. We keep a leader board to see who can get the highest score. I'm winning in my class  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Johnny Tightlips on April 10, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 10, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
On the old supply here in England and not getting paid for the summer. Any ideas for jobs for 6 weeks that a teacher could pick up

Thinking of hitting London after the football season is over, few mates are on about going for the supply work in London. What is the story with it? is there work everyday? is it hard to get everything sorted out etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on April 29, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ziggy90 on April 29, 2014, 06:32:10 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.

Desperate tragedy, I have three daughters who are teachers and this left me feeling sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lecale2 on April 29, 2014, 07:43:41 AM
An awful incident but thankfully extremely rare. RIP
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on April 29, 2014, 03:43:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 29, 2014, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 28, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Shockingly sad day in Leeds today. This is one of the feeder schools for the Sixth Form college I teach in and it is extremely depressing to think that this sort of tragedy can happen as you try to do your job. Something needs to be done to address the knife culture amongst some of the groups of youngster in this country. Mrs Maguire was immensely well respected and will be sorely missed - RIP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27193638

Dreadful tragedy. Not surprised or shocked though. Not sure what country you are talking about? Actually surprised it doesn t happen more often but this may be a kick- start it needs. In very few jobs would a 61 yr old woman would be exposed to this risk but it is normal in teaching. I always hated the title of this thread and the bollix that started it might review it. In many situations teachers never know what is coming down the line and anything can happen.

I meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools. People are always barking on about the job teachers do, the holidays and their pensions - but a 60 year old woman should not have to deal with teenage kids. That lady should have felt comfortable enough to retire last year after devoting 40 years of her life to helping kids. By the time it comes to my retirement, the age will be closer to 70 than 60 - its depressing all round.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on April 29, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
QuoteI meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools.

Let me assure you; it has!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on April 30, 2014, 01:55:39 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 29, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
QuoteI meant England - hopefully this is something that hasn't worked its way into Irish schools.

Let me assure you; it has!

My aunt was assaulted by a student.

She never returned to teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
A friend of mine is teaching in the North but its a temporary job.
He has seen a job that is close to him and permanent but it is in the South.
School is 30 minutes drive for him but he is wondering how does he go about applying?
I have looked at the job description on line and it states that you need the following to apply:

Referees (name, role, contact no.)

CV (Unbound/Slide Binder)

Teaching Council Registration

Does this mean all he needs is a C.V and a covering letter ?
Would he have much hassle getting a Teacher Council Registration if he has the equivalent in the North?

Thanks in advance because I have been absolutely no help to him.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: guy crouchback on May 27, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
 if he is a primary teacher he is wasting his time, unless he knows the principle and chairman of the board of management. that job is long gone, the interview process is just a sham. the level of nepotism cronyism and clientism in the primary school job market in the south is hard to grasp if you have not been at the sharp end of it.
nowadays i would say that 99.9% of all jobs are allocated  before any interviews are conducted and the person who gets the job will have done so through contacts and family connections.

even during the boom when there were more jobs then teachres id say 80% of all job were allocated in this way ,it is gombeen ireland at its very worst.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
He is secondary
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
Leaving aside nepotism, presumably there are always teachers who have been doing hours in schools and these are always in pole position for a permanent job? Just as FermGael's mate would be in with a good chance in the school where he is temporary , the devil you know and all that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
Leaving aside nepotism, presumably there are always teachers who have been doing hours in schools and these are always in pole position for a permanent job? Just as FermGael's mate would be in with a good chance in the school where he is temporary , the devil you know and all that.

Again not always the case, unless they are doing a decent job then they won't be given the job, performance and results (if you are on a temp contract) will give you the job  (via a interview) also some of the board sit on these interview panels. Nepotism though is still rife in all types of jobs in N.I .

Would good GAA connections still get you in teaching jobs down south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on May 27, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
My mate who trained with me in England was applying for jobs at home and got an interview at a secondary school in the North (I'll not name the school) and the day BEFORE the interview he got a letter thanking him for turning up and informing him that, with regret, that he didn't on this occasion get the job. He went to the interview as he had already flights booked etc and apparently a mix up in the office meant the letters were posted too early. Needless to say they were a bit embarrassed. He went home and worked as a substitute teacher for 2 and a half years and applying for every suitable job going before finally moving back to England. It looks like you must be trained in a particular Uni or have some connections to get your foot in the door in some places, but I suppose that's like anywhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on May 27, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 27, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
Leaving aside nepotism, presumably there are always teachers who have been doing hours in schools and these are always in pole position for a permanent job? Just as FermGael's mate would be in with a good chance in the school where he is temporary , the devil you know and all that.

Again not always the case, unless they are doing a decent job then they won't be given the job, performance and results (if you are on a temp contract) will give you the job  (via a interview) also some of the board sit on these interview panels. Nepotism though is still rife in all types of jobs in N.I .

Would good GAA connections still get you in teaching jobs down south?
With regards to teaching jobs in 'the North', are there many teachers from a protestant / unionist background in catholic maintained schools?  A (Protestant) pal of mine recently got a job in a Belfast grammar school.  Would this still be quite rare?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Eh, could you let me know his name and which school he is preaching his hatred in so that I can start a Facebook campaign to oust him.

I'm sure he is a model teacher.

In general though this temporary thing is an illustration of the bollix often found in the public sector. In the private sector  if a good person was there they'd just give him a long term job, with a fake advertising of a post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on May 27, 2014, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Eh, could you let me know his name and which school he is preaching his hatred in so that I can start a Facebook campaign to oust him.
He's teacher not a preacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on May 28, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Eh, could you let me know his name and which school he is preaching his hatred in so that I can start a Facebook campaign to oust him.

I'm sure he is a model teacher.

In general though this temporary thing is an illustration of the bollix often found in the public sector. In the private sector  if a good person was there they'd just give him a long term job, with a fake advertising of a post.

Aye, but in the private sector you are more than likely monitored in terms of performance, from my experience the same cannot be said of the teaching profession and public sector in general.

Have you ever heard of a civil servant or teacher getting the boot for poor performance? Once you're in, you're there for life if you so choose.


HS,
I think your comment flew over the heads of some.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 28, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 28, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 28, 2014, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 27, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 27, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
Eh, could you let me know his name and which school he is preaching his hatred in so that I can start a Facebook campaign to oust him.

I'm sure he is a model teacher.

In general though this temporary thing is an illustration of the bollix often found in the public sector. In the private sector  if a good person was there they'd just give him a long term job, with a fake advertising of a post.

Aye, but in the private sector you are more than likely monitored in terms of performance, from my experience the same cannot be said of the teaching profession and public sector in general.

Have you ever heard of a civil servant or teacher getting the boot for poor performance? Once you're in, you're there for life if you so choose.


HS,
I think your comment flew over the heads of some.

Not Armaghniac.....
A very "North Belfast" specific comment...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 28, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
I'd imagine it was a CCMS school. Without doubt, your mate could put in a claim against the school on fair employment grounds ... They would get a few pound ..... Many ads in irish news should have a sub section (stating wheter a temp teacher is in the post - so don't bother applying !!!     
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 05, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
Back on the 20th ffs, might as well not even call that summer holidays  ;)

P3/4 this year as well  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 06, 2014, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 05, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
Back on the 20th ffs, might as well not even call that summer holidays  ;)

P3/4 this year as well  :-\

And an inspection looming?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on August 06, 2014, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 05, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
Back on the 20th ffs, might as well not even call that summer holidays  ;)

P3/4 this year as well  :-\

Holy Communion???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
If one was to look for a job in the North? What are the criteria?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
Luck.

3 NQTs got jobs last year.

Primary or secondary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 11, 2014, 01:50:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
If one was to look for a job in the North? What are the criteria?
Must be love..... ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 11, 2014, 01:50:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
If one was to look for a job in the North? What are the criteria?
Must be love..... ;)

Lol I did say IF!

Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
Luck.

3 NQTs got jobs last year.

Primary or secondary?

Primary. I do believe things are very hard at the moment to get a job up there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 12, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 11, 2014, 01:50:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
If one was to look for a job in the North? What are the criteria?
Must be love..... ;)

Lol I did say IF!

Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
Luck.

3 NQTs got jobs last year.

Primary or secondary?

Primary. I do believe things are very hard at the moment to get a job up there.
The sister in law has just qualified in primary. Just got a maternity cover. In England...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on August 29, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self (http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self)

Woman turns up at Mayo school and threatens principal with a knife

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 29, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Spare a thought for the poor teachers this week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerrykeegan on August 29, 2014, 07:58:16 PM
I have nine teachers in the family between sisters nephews parents and aunts. They are all struggling. I have so much sympathy for them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self (http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self)

Woman turns up at Mayo school and threatens principal with a knife

It's been a tough week for everyone in Mayo, she has been under a lot of stress.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 29, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Spare a thought for the poor teachers this week.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning. We will remember them.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 29, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 29, 2014, 09:25:01 PM
The slog of departmental meetings, the inspiring talks from senior management and colour coding/laminating your timetable.

Enjoy a bottle of red wine tonight, ONeill, you've put in some week.
The wife has a dose of the cowl after a similarly heavy week. Must be getting run down...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self (http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self)

Woman turns up at Mayo school and threatens principal with a knife

It's been a tough week for everyone in Mayo, she has been under a lot of stress.

Sidney was the teacher involved, he's a geography teacher in Murdeachs and he was trying to teach them that limerick is halfway between Mayo & Kerry
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 29, 2014, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 29, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 29, 2014, 09:25:01 PM
The slog of departmental meetings, the inspiring talks from senior management and colour coding/laminating your timetable.

Enjoy a bottle of red wine tonight, ONeill, you've put in some week.
The wife has a dose of the cowl after a similarly heavy week. Must be getting run down...
mid term is in a couple of weeks, she'll be fine.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 29, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
Getting the full week off at Halloween this year! On the countdown already.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on August 29, 2014, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 11, 2014, 12:59:53 AM
Luck.

3 NQTs got jobs last year.

Primary or secondary?

Why do they keep training as many when the immediate job prospects are so dire ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Yip Jim! And I'm getting paid for the holidays too this time. Hard Oul year ahead in the school, my biggest task is getting a Gaelic team sorted. Wouldn't really bother about the Oul academic shit to be honest with you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on August 29, 2014, 10:22:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self (http://www.thejournal.ie/woman-knife-attack-mayo-1645060-Aug2014/?utm_source=twitter_self)

Woman turns up at Mayo school and threatens principal with a knife

It's been a tough week for everyone in Mayo, she has been under a lot of stress.

Sidney was the teacher involved, he's a geography teacher in Murdeachs and he was trying to teach them that limerick is halfway between Mayo & Kerry

Nah, he'd never have found Mayo.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Over the Bar on August 29, 2014, 10:56:43 PM
I've half a dozen mate who are teachers and also current or ex-club footballers. They think it's easy street overall and only moan about the pay.   They are firmly of the view that those who struggle at teaching probably would not get an job anywhere else and only came into teaching because they were looking for the respect they don't get elsewhere!   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 30, 2014, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Yip Jim! And I'm getting paid for the holidays too this time. Hard Oul year ahead in the school, my biggest task is getting a Gaelic team sorted. Wouldn't really bother about the Oul academic shit to be honest with you.

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 30, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 29, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Yip Jim! And I'm getting paid for the holidays too this time. Hard Oul year ahead in the school, my biggest task is getting a Gaelic team sorted. Wouldn't really bother about the Oul academic shit to be honest with you.

A wee letter from the inspectorate would soon sort that attitude out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on September 04, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
Do you think a male teacher should have to wear a tie?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on September 04, 2014, 07:06:23 PM
Yes, sets a good example and all that! However, women wear jeans to work and get away with it. Wear a pair of jeans and a shirt and let us know how you get on!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9rymEWJX38#t=96 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9rymEWJX38#t=96)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Windmill abu on November 17, 2014, 12:43:21 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
Do you think a male teacher should have to wear a tie?

If that is all he is wearing it should be a long one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
NQT time and a day out for the course this week cancelled   Have to work a full week. Snapping
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on November 17, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
NQT time and a day out for the course this week cancelled   Have to work a full week. Snapping
Starting at 9am and finishing at 3pm every day can hardly be called a full weeks work... That's not even taking into account the 3 hours of coffee breaks during the day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 17, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
NQT time and a day out for the course this week cancelled   Have to work a full week. Snapping
Starting at 9am and finishing at 3pm every day can hardly be called a full weeks work... That's not even taking into account the 3 hours of coffee breaks during the day.


Starting from 7.45 and finishing at 5. There ye go
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on November 17, 2014, 01:49:23 PM
To an extent, teachers do get it handy, but I have full admiration for teachers whose first priority is to educate their pupils.

I have less admiration for teachers who enter teaching because it is a cushy number.

Finally, I have zero admiration for school principals who got their job because of a useless crowd of gombeens on the board of governers. Those appointments are not on ability but who you know. Nine time out of ten the result is that the principal wreaks havoc and then spends the school budget with solicitors.

Thank heavens I am not a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 02:35:34 PM
We have a hard life, je I'm on me phone here typing this...........
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 17, 2014, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 17, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
NQT time and a day out for the course this week cancelled   Have to work a full week. Snapping
Starting at 9am and finishing at 3pm every day can hardly be called a full weeks work... That's not even taking into account the 3 hours of coffee breaks during the day.

Says the fella who can post at 10:56 AM on a Monday morning during a schoolday ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on November 17, 2014, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 17, 2014, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 17, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on November 17, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
NQT time and a day out for the course this week cancelled   Have to work a full week. Snapping
Starting at 9am and finishing at 3pm every day can hardly be called a full weeks work... That's not even taking into account the 3 hours of coffee breaks during the day.

Says the fella who can post at 10:56 AM on a Monday morning during a schoolday ;)
I already had 4 hours work done at that stage and I'm still here working away!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2015, 09:18:14 PM
Spare a thought for teachers at this difficult time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 02, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
And non-teachers too. Finished half-day on the 18th and going back on Monday  :'(.

You'll be off in Feb though. Hang in there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on January 02, 2015, 10:07:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2015, 09:18:14 PM
Spare a thought for teachers at this difficult time.

Yes, where is your next free trip to? Have been sking? What about a free inspection trip?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2015, 10:31:11 PM
5 bloody weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 02, 2015, 10:40:29 PM
Inset day on Monday to break us in too, sweet
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Just Puck It on January 03, 2015, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Best of luck Jim!  INSET day on Monday too...first year experiencing the 'back to school after two weeks off' feeling.  First year not getting away skiing at this time too..Easter seems like a long way away!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 03, 2015, 09:02:08 PM
Easter???
Half term in 5 weeks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Handy for catching up on a few years worth of lesson plans and schemes of work that you haven't done...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on January 04, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Handy for catching up on a few years worth of lesson plans and schemes of work that you haven't done...

At least they're being done (eventually)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 09, 2015, 02:19:20 PM
well just four days after this one until we are off work for 11 days............................................
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on February 09, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 04, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Handy for catching up on a few years worth of lesson plans and schemes of work that you haven't done...

At least they're being done (eventually)

Is this not just a cut and paste job anyway?  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 09, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 09, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 04, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Handy for catching up on a few years worth of lesson plans and schemes of work that you haven't done...

At least they're being done (eventually)

Is this not just a cut and paste job anyway?  ;)

  Just in your school  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2015, 09:16:35 PM
Not ALL teachers are off for the whole week next week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 09, 2015, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 09, 2015, 09:16:35 PM
Not ALL teachers are off for the whole week next week.

Quite correct.
Some of us finish Thursday with a twilight Inset and are then off for 10 days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on February 10, 2015, 01:22:15 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 09, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on February 09, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 04, 2015, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 03, 2015, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 03, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 02, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Inspection in a few weeks  >:(

Do you still get a few weeks notice of inspections?

Yeah the long running joke of the education system
Handy for catching up on a few years worth of lesson plans and schemes of work that you haven't done...

At least they're being done (eventually)

Is this not just a cut and paste job anyway?  ;)

  Just in your school  ;D

Surely the curriculum doesn't change than much year on year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on February 16, 2015, 04:30:24 PM
Question for teachers;

to be qualified to teach a child GCSE maths, do you need to have specialised at teacher training college?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 16, 2015, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 16, 2015, 04:30:24 PM
Question for teachers;

to be qualified to teach a child GCSE maths, do you need to have specialised at teacher training college?

You won't go no answers for while as everyone is off work hi.


On serious side, I would think so but I do primary so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ardal on February 17, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Depends on how you go about it.

PGCE you'll have a mathematics related degree.

Straight in to St Mary's, Saint Joseph's, Stranmillas, I understand it's specialised for secondary
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on April 05, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
Below is a Job application for Holy Trinity College. They might as well just state at the bottom that someone is already doing this job and there is no point applying for it. 
Or they could just say that you must have (insert age of current member of staff here) years  experience of having the name (insert current member of staffs name here)


Applicants for the post must at commencement of appointment be qualified teachers who:

Hold a degree in Geography or a degree in which Geography is the main component (Minimum 2:2)Have at least one year's experience (excluding teaching practice) teaching Geography at KS3 & KS4Have at least one year's experience teaching Travel & Tourism at KS4 & KS5

In addition to the above, preference may be given to applicants who at commencement of appointment:

Have at least one years experience teaching Science at KS3 & KS4Have at least 6 months experience in delivering Learning for Life and Work / Careers

Have at least 6 month's experience (relevant teaching practice experience will be considered) of supporting Literacy and/or Numeracy across the ability rangeHave at least 6 month's experience in using ICT and its applications to promote learningHave at least 6 month's experience in teaching pupils with Special Educational Needs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on April 05, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
A few minutes' work on learning how to use apostrophes wouldn't go amiss either.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 05, 2015, 12:22:12 PM
No time to read this thread as I am on my 2 weeks holidays.......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2015, 02:22:54 PM
Teacher stabbed in a school in Bradford today. Thankfully he is stable in hospital but the 14 year old kid is on the run.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33094807
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 11, 2015, 11:19:24 PM
Ye lads O'er in gods country are finishing soon; but us here is n the mainland are here to the 22nd July. Ye know what day that is....... A fecking tuesday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 12, 2015, 12:07:08 AM
All that gardening...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 12, 2015, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 11, 2015, 11:19:24 PM
Ye lads O'er in gods country are finishing soon; but us here is n the mainland are here to the 22nd July. Ye know what day that is....... A fecking tuesday

30th June a Tuesday as well. FFS !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 12, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 11, 2015, 11:19:24 PM
Ye lads O'er in gods country are finishing soon; but us here is n the mainland are here to the 22nd July. Ye know what day that is....... A fecking tuesday
It's a feckin Wednesday!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 12, 2015, 07:13:23 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 12, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 11, 2015, 11:19:24 PM
Ye lads O'er in gods country are finishing soon; but us here is n the mainland are here to the 22nd July. Ye know what day that is....... A fecking tuesday
It's a feckin Wednesday!

Well we finish on the 21st then smart ass!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 12, 2015, 11:49:12 PM
These next few weeks drag! Going to work the children as normal right up to the last Friday, then a couple of Dvd days. Then freedom!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Whitehair on June 13, 2015, 12:39:32 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 12, 2015, 11:49:12 PM
These next few weeks drag! Going to work the children as normal right up to the last Friday, then a couple of Dvd days. Then freedom!

Wishful thinking, I teach as an NQT in London. Different ball game. We'd 4 inspectors in yesterday for a 'Teaching and learning Review 'and can "look forward" to another 5 weeks of school.  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DownFanatic on June 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
Few weeks left to go.
Anyone link me to any time filler tasks/activities etc?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 13, 2015, 01:23:19 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
Few weeks left to go.
Anyone link me to any time filler tasks/activities etc?

PPA in the morn and played rounders in the afternoon and hit two rounders to win it for my team. Trained the GAA team and then home. I love Fridays in year 6.

Filler tasks

Booklet on what the kids coming up next year expect to do front shiksa already in this year

What he enjoyed most from this year

A class song

Class poster
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Whitehair on June 13, 2015, 01:36:08 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 13, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
Few weeks left to go.
Anyone link me to any time filler tasks/activities etc?

Year? 'BGFL maths investigations' for a rake of numeracy work with zero input, which keep both KS1 and 2 busy, . General knowledge is key IMO, so any quizzes forward them on. Personalised comments for the year (achievements and targets) which have been typed up to copy into reports are essential. .. Vote on your favourite book of the year and make a door display to show off to other years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Just 55 days left. #prayforus
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 30, 2015, 12:50:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Just 55 days left. #prayforus

w**ker. In work for another three weeks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2015, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Just 55 days left. #prayforus
Still teachers at work unfortunately. I hope your commitment was 100% up to finishing time on Friday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 30, 2015, 01:15:43 PM
Half day today for us and only half the school came in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on June 30, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 30, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
Is it a new thing that kids don't bother going to school in the last week before summer? Or that a half day = a day off?

With maths like that the bank collapse is understandable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
I feel sorry for the poor teachers working right up till June 30th.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on June 30, 2015, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
I feel sorry for the poor teachers working right up till June 30th.

Don't worry, the Troika will sort all that out in the next crisis.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on June 30, 2015, 11:15:16 PM

Time to start getting worried. The evenings already starting to close in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.

Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on November 23, 2015, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.

Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach.

::) That's original!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 07:52:30 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 23, 2015, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.

Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach.

::) That's original!

Most of what is taught is not original, either.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on November 23, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
I imagine you'll all be getting ready for your ski trips soon enough. Hard knock life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on November 23, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 07:52:30 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 23, 2015, 07:41:36 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 23, 2015, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.

Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach.

::) That's original!

Most of what is taught is not original, either.

Correct, its absolutely not original - its usually the same topics every year. Though no doubt you break the boundaries of originality in your day job!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: deiseach on November 23, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
The phrase is "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach". Which is a load of do do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on November 23, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Or, in some of the public service, those who can, don't; those who teach, can't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on November 23, 2015, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: Hardy on November 23, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Or, in some of the public service, those who can, won't; those who teach, can't.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 23, 2015, 05:01:46 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 12:16:12 AM
Only 4 weeks lads. We can do this.

  Started the wind down today !!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Sure with school plays and the likes there is no teaching left to do until January.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 23, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Sure with school plays and the likes there is no teaching left to do until January.


DVDs in the afternoon , carol service rehearsals , shopping days, Xmas dinner day( pupils go home early) , directed time suspended until January ! It goes on and on !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 23, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Sure with school plays and the likes there is no teaching left to do until January.


DVDs in the afternoon , carol service rehearsals , shopping days, Xmas dinner day( pupils go home early) , directed time suspended until January ! It goes on and on !

This is the tough term too! Once we get Xmas over us we are on the run in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 23, 2015, 09:28:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on November 23, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 23, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
Sure with school plays and the likes there is no teaching left to do until January.


DVDs in the afternoon , carol service rehearsals , shopping days, Xmas dinner day( pupils go home early) , directed time suspended until January ! It goes on and on !

This is the tough term too! Once we get Xmas over us we are on the run in.

Easter to Summer will be a long term, but it's approaching the end of the year and a few Bank holidays thrown in too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 23, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
And June doesn't really count as part of the school year either !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 10:34:03 PM
Too early for Elf?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2015, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 10:34:03 PM
Too early for Elf?

:)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on November 24, 2015, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2015, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 23, 2015, 10:34:03 PM
Too early for Elf?

:)

I'm doing myths at the minute, I fucked a santa hat on a minotaur and gave medusa an oul stocking. Nearly time lads.

Just had the oul observation which went well and book scrutiny was good also. That means no bosses will be keeping an eye on me.

4 weeks left, last week doesn't count. PPA tomorrow too................ 'tis the season to be jolly
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
Strange, my wife is busy... I suppose some school teachers don't give a fcuk :o
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2016, 06:30:18 AM
Does anybody know anyone who left teac :-[hing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on February 10, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2016, 06:30:18 AM
Does anybody know anyone who left teac :-[hing?

Lots in England. Some do in Ireland because of lack of opportunity.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 10, 2016, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 10, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2016, 06:30:18 AM
Does anybody know anyone who left teac :-[hing?

Lots in England. Some do in Ireland because of lack of opportunity.
Huge lack of certainty in the job

No long term jobs

The level of paperwork being imposed from on high is starting to become a real mindfcuk
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 10, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 10, 2016, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 10, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2016, 06:30:18 AM
Does anybody know anyone who left teac :-[hing?

Lots in England. Some do in Ireland because of lack of opportunity.
Huge lack of certainty in the job

No long term jobs

The level of paperwork being imposed from on high is starting to become a real mindfcuk

2 days time , im off for a week.

Back for four weeks time and off for a long weekend (friday and monday) back in for four weeks and then away off on holiday for two weeks!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 12, 2016, 09:29:39 PM
Fcuk sake. Forgot to bring home work. Will have to wait 10 days to get it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 12, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 12, 2016, 09:29:39 PM
Fcuk sake. Forgot to bring home work. Will have to wait 10 days to get it.

  Sure won't the secretary and building supervisor be in. You could pop in and collect the books ( that's if u get any time of course)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 12, 2016, 09:45:20 PM
Books? Books? It's all 'in the cloud' these days, man.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2016, 10:10:50 PM
Evaluations, planners and IEPs to do by the 26th. Will probably leave it to the last minute as usual  >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 12, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
about 3 months of Cuntas Miosuils due

f**k it, just hide the school's cuntas folder
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
The amount of paperwork is getting ridiculous. Had an inspection at the start of the month and got a 'very good' but we now have more paperwork to do. Do any of the older/more experienced teachers see the increased amount of paper work leading to better results? Do children actually learn more now than they did 20 years ago. Spend most of my time finding 'evidence of learning' and doing paperwork rather than teaching ffs. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
The amount of paperwork is getting ridiculous. Had an inspection at the start of the month and got a 'very good' but we now have more paperwork to do. Do any of the older/more experienced teachers see the increased amount of paper work leading to better results? Do children actually learn more now than they did 20 years ago. Spend most of my time finding 'evidence of learning' and doing paperwork rather than teaching ffs.

Surely with the inspection over youse will go a bit easy on the paperwork !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 06:31:54 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
The amount of paperwork is getting ridiculous. Had an inspection at the start of the month and got a 'very good' but we now have more paperwork to do. Do any of the older/more experienced teachers see the increased amount of paper work leading to better results? Do children actually learn more now than they did 20 years ago. Spend most of my time finding 'evidence of learning' and doing paperwork rather than teaching ffs.

Surely with the inspection over youse will go a bit easy on the paperwork !!

You would think that indeed! But no, ETI said we need to change to weekly evaluations and load of other stupid things.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
Is this in England?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 10:58:21 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 06:31:54 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
The amount of paperwork is getting ridiculous. Had an inspection at the start of the month and got a 'very good' but we now have more paperwork to do. Do any of the older/more experienced teachers see the increased amount of paper work leading to better results? Do children actually learn more now than they did 20 years ago. Spend most of my time finding 'evidence of learning' and doing paperwork rather than teaching ffs.

Surely with the inspection over youse will go a bit easy on the paperwork !!

You would think that indeed! But no, ETI said we need to change to weekly evaluations and load of other stupid things.

Sure they ll not be out for minimum 3 years if you got the 'very good'

Off to the pub with ye!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2016, 12:51:33 PM
Try 17 years!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Pile of schools in my area got O/S - VG within the past 3/4 years. Not one of them that received that follow up visit which is more talked about than anything. I have heard of 1 or 2 schools having got it but majority haven't. ETI don't have the manpower to carry out what they would like to. So basically what I am saying is.... Switch off computer and hit pub!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Holy smokes. We had 1993, then 2010.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Pile of schools in my area got O/S - VG within the past 3/4 years. Not one of them that received that follow up visit which is more talked about than anything. I have heard of 1 or 2 schools having got it but majority haven't. ETI don't have the manpower to carry out what they would like to. So basically what I am saying is.... Switch off computer and hit pub!

This is a thing they are trying for a few years and only schools that are inspected within certain years have to do this. They come back for a one day follow up visit!  The stupid thing is if you get a 'good' they don't come back near you!! My sister's school got satisfactory and they have been back to her school every few months this school year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 13, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Holy smokes. We had 1993, then 2010.
It has been an average of every 7 years for all the primary schools near me. I know of 5 who have been inspected from December until now. I was in another school last year and had an inspection last January as well! 2 in 2 years ffs. Some luck. Anyway, permanent now so hopefully don't need to worry about another full inspection for a good few years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Pile of schools in my area got O/S - VG within the past 3/4 years. Not one of them that received that follow up visit which is more talked about than anything. I have heard of 1 or 2 schools having got it but majority haven't. ETI don't have the manpower to carry out what they would like to. So basically what I am saying is.... Switch off computer and hit pub!

This is a thing they are trying for a few years and only schools that are inspected within certain years have to do this. They come back for a one day follow up visit!  The stupid thing is if you get a 'good' they don't come back near you!! My sister's school got satisfactory and they have been back to her school every few months this school year.

But what I am saying is.... Most of the schools who have had an inspection within the past 3/4 years and achieved O/S to Good have NOT received that one day follow up you talk about. The ETI would like to but haven't the manpower!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 03:43:46 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
It's here and primary school. They come back to you in 18 months if you get outstanding or very good! 4 inspectors visited our school and 3 of them were ex secondary school teachers.

Pile of schools in my area got O/S - VG within the past 3/4 years. Not one of them that received that follow up visit which is more talked about than anything. I have heard of 1 or 2 schools having got it but majority haven't. ETI don't have the manpower to carry out what they would like to. So basically what I am saying is.... Switch off computer and hit pub!

This is a thing they are trying for a few years and only schools that are inspected within certain years have to do this. They come back for a one day follow up visit!  The stupid thing is if you get a 'good' they don't come back near you!! My sister's school got satisfactory and they have been back to her school every few months this school year.

But what I am saying is.... Most of the schools who have had an inspection within the past 3/4 years and achieved O/S to Good have NOT received that one day follow up you talk about. The ETI would like to but haven't the manpower!
I hope you're right! Our boss is already on about their return visit and fixing this and that before they arrive.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on February 13, 2016, 05:32:32 PM
Take him to the pub with ye!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 14, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 12, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
CTL + C
CTL + V

I tried that on my fortnightlies for LS. Principal not happy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 17, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
What's the craic in De La Salle? A third of teaching staff walking out amongst other things.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on March 17, 2016, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 17, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
What's the craic in De La Salle? A third of teaching staff walking out amongst other things.

They obviously don't give a shit about the pupils
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on March 17, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 17, 2016, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 17, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
What's the craic in De La Salle? A third of teaching staff walking out amongst other things.

They obviously don't give a shit about the pupils

Do the management of the school care about the pupils?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 17, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
What's the craic in De La Salle? A third of teaching staff walking out amongst other things.
Was that not months ago?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 17, 2016, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on March 17, 2016, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 17, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
What's the craic in De La Salle? A third of teaching staff walking out amongst other things.

They obviously don't give a shit about the pupils
If they are in breach of contract then the dole queue is the place for them. It's not as if there is a teacher shortage to replace them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 23, 2016, 09:15:50 AM
There will be two sides to this story.

The fact is that some head teachers are recruited on one of the following disciplines:
a) teach
b) run a school
c) run a business

The problem is that principals need to be all the above. Board of Governors can be a useful bunch of c***ts too, hand picked by the parish priest and no idea about the above.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 23, 2016, 10:32:04 AM
Folks you should honestly knock this on the head.
Not the place for it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on March 23, 2016, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: FermGael on March 23, 2016, 10:32:04 AM
Folks you should honestly knock this on the head.
Not the place for it.

Why?  We are discussing the performance of people who are paid by our taxes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 23, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
Very simple.
Nobody knows exactly whats going on.
Hearsay is the best people have at the moment.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 23, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: FermGael on March 23, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
Very simple.
Nobody knows exactly whats going on.
Hearsay is the best people have at the moment.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on March 23, 2016, 11:18:27 AM
I'd be somewhere in the middle on this. Anything posted on here should always be considered hearsay

Theres a story that needs telling here. It would appear that the board of governors and management at the school are trying to manage/keep the lid on a mess that's been created by their own hands at the expense of the pupils at the school. I wouldn't be so sure that they should be allowed to control the information flow on the topic just be be given time to cover their asses. I whistle blower here and there can help break the dam of silence.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on March 23, 2016, 11:23:26 AM
The parents have a open group on Facebook : Concerned Parents of De La Salle. You can have a look at the comments and their PoV. Some comments from parents regarding what's gone on are similar to the above posts, especially who they believe is to blame for the situation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on March 23, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Out of curiosity, has it always formally been "De" La Salle or is this a recent adoption? To me, it was always just La Salle.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 23, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
As far as I can see the teachers have issued no information on this either via a school rep or a union rep. Their omerta damages their position and in my opinion is extremely foolish and unprofessional as ultimately regardless of the Headteachers shortcomings not showing for work is directly damaging the education of children preparing for life - changing exams. In my opinion it is cowardice of the highest order on behalf of the teachers. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2016, 01:54:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 23, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Out of curiosity, has it always formally been "De" La Salle or is this a recent adoption? To me, it was always just La Salle.

nearly sure always De La Salle .. bit like the name of our pitch  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Longshanks on March 23, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 23, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
As far as I can see the teachers have issued no information on this either via a school rep or a union rep. Their omerta damages their position and in my opinion is extremely foolish and unprofessional as ultimately regardless of the Headteachers shortcomings not showing for work is directly damaging the education of children preparing for life - changing exams. In my opinion it is cowardice of the highest order on behalf of the teachers.

Whilst I agree to an extent Tony I don't think you can fully comment on the reasoning for all the teachers being off or the circumstances behind them being off, I can obviously only speak regarding teachers I know but the majority would want to help the students but obviously if the conditions are not right to be teaching in something has to give..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 23, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35878502 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35878502)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
6 weeks lads and ladies. We can do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on May 13, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 13, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
6 weeks lads and ladies. We can do it.

Sure the work is all done by now? Is it not a case of school tours and watching videos for the rest of term? You have to get ready for the wind down for the two months of Holiday ahead?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 13, 2016, 03:14:12 PM
2 weeks for the lads and the lassies across the border
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 13, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
Too early for Elf?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 13, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
Holidays can't come soon enough. My class are nuts and I am about to kill someone! P5/6 composite, 33 in the class, 18 IEPs, 2 with no English at all, over half from broken homes and a traveller trying to fight with half the class at every opportunity.  It's been a long year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on May 13, 2016, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 13, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
Holidays can't come soon enough. My class are nuts and I am about to kill someone! P5/6 composite, 33 in the class, 18 IEPs, 2 with no English at all, over half from broken homes and a traveller trying to fight with half the class at every opportunity.  It's been a long year.

Always side with the traveller lad.

Well i had a rough week there myself. Sat in during the SATs for days to 'prompt' children, and then had to teach in the afternoons. To top it fecking off; I'm out of school on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to go on an outdoor residential. This teaching craic is tough! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 14, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
Yiz are doing it wrong. Buy a broadsheet and just look over it now and again as the lads re-read The BFG.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 14, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 13, 2016, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 13, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
Holidays can't come soon enough. My class are nuts and I am about to kill someone! P5/6 composite, 33 in the class, 18 IEPs, 2 with no English at all, over half from broken homes and a traveller trying to fight with half the class at every opportunity.  It's been a long year.

Always side with the traveller lad.

Well i had a rough week there myself. Sat in during the SATs for days to 'prompt' children, and then had to teach in the afternoons. To top it fecking off; I'm out of school on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to go on an outdoor residential. This teaching craic is tough! ;) ;) ;) ;)

The SATs seem to be crazy though! The maths isn't too bad but I would struggle with a lot of the questions from the literacy test.  I would hate to teach in England. We only think we have paper work and box ticking exercises over in Ireland. I have a lot of friends who teach in England and the hours they put in is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on May 14, 2016, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 14, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on May 13, 2016, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 13, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
Holidays can't come soon enough. My class are nuts and I am about to kill someone! P5/6 composite, 33 in the class, 18 IEPs, 2 with no English at all, over half from broken homes and a traveller trying to fight with half the class at every opportunity.  It's been a long year.

Always side with the traveller lad.

Well i had a rough week there myself. Sat in during the SATs for days to 'prompt' children, and then had to teach in the afternoons. To top it fecking off; I'm out of school on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to go on an outdoor residential. This teaching craic is tough! ;) ;) ;) ;)

The SATs seem to be crazy though! The maths isn't too bad but I would struggle with a lot of the questions from the literacy test.  I would hate to teach in England. We only think we have paper work and box ticking exercises over in Ireland. I have a lot of friends who teach in England and the hours they put in is ridiculous.

the new curriculum is seriously bucked up hi. Im year 3 thank god.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 12:17:40 AM
Wife starting to lose it!! Holidays cant come quick enough... Every level and type of school has its pressures... Plus new cuts next year and under budgeting making teachers fit more into their timetable.... Glad I'm out of that madness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
+1. Unemployable in the read world. I'm glad we have youse were we can keep an eye on youse. Zero skills for the private sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 01:01:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
+1. Unemployable in the read world. I'm glad we have youse were we can keep an eye on youse. Zero skills for the private sector.

Says little for the private sector if you can get a job in it. You can't even spell!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 01:01:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
+1. Unemployable in the read world. I'm glad we have youse were we can keep an eye on youse. Zero skills for the private sector.

Says little for the private sector if you can get a job in it. You can't even spell!
Zinger. Stick a wee gold star in your homework book.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 01:01:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
+1. Unemployable in the read world. I'm glad we have youse were we can keep an eye on youse. Zero skills for the private sector.

Says little for the private sector if you can get a job in it. You can't even spell!
Zinger. Stick a wee gold star in your homework book.

Which skills are teachers lacking for the private sector if that is what you believe?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 01:01:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 15, 2016, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 15, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
Pack of moaners, teachers. Never done a real day's work.
+1. Unemployable in the read world. I'm glad we have youse were we can keep an eye on youse. Zero skills for the private sector.

Says little for the private sector if you can get a job in it. You can't even spell!
Zinger. Stick a wee gold star in your homework book.

Which skills are teachers lacking for the private sector if that is what you believe?

If you were to have that choice again would you choose private sector or teaching??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
I would chose teaching again but the amount of work I do at the minute is ridiculous. The work just keeps getting piled on, and most of it box ticking! Before I was made permanent in my job I worked in lots of different schools and it is amazing how the workload and children's issues varies from school to school. There are some schools obsessed with data and ticking the boxes to impress inspectors. My last school was great. In at 8.30 and out the door for 3.30/4.00 with only the odd bit of weekend work or work at night and I never did work on my holidays. In other schools, including my current school, I can never get my work done. Work home every night, weekends and over the holidays too. No need for the half of it and most of the box ticking does not help the children learn at all, in fact it probably has the opposite effect as I don't get the time to teach the fun lessons anymore. Starting to feel more like a child psychologist or a social worker these days too. Children coming to school half dressed and starving and clearly living in unhappy homes. Bloody disgrace how some parents get on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
For me teaching no problem. Every job has its stresses but I would have no difficulty recommending the profession.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
For me teaching no problem. Every job has its stresses but I would have no difficulty recommending the profession.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
I would chose teaching again but the amount of work I do at the minute is ridiculous. The work just keeps getting piled on, and most of it box ticking! Before I was made permanent in my job I worked in lots of different schools and it is amazing how the workload and children's issues varies from school to school. There are some schools obsessed with data and ticking the boxes to impress inspectors. My last school was great. In at 8.30 and out the door for 3.30/4.00 with only the odd bit of weekend work or work at night and I never did work on my holidays. In other schools, including my current school, I can never get my work done. Work home every night, weekends and over the holidays too. No need for the half of it and most of the box ticking does not help the children learn at all, in fact it probably has the opposite effect as I don't get the time to teach the fun lessons anymore. Starting to feel more like a child psychologist or a social worker these days too. Children coming to school half dressed and starving and clearly living in unhappy homes. Bloody disgrace how some parents get on.

How many teachers drop out of teaching now compared to before??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
For me teaching no problem. Every job has its stresses but I would have no difficulty recommending the profession.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
I would chose teaching again but the amount of work I do at the minute is ridiculous. The work just keeps getting piled on, and most of it box ticking! Before I was made permanent in my job I worked in lots of different schools and it is amazing how the workload and children's issues varies from school to school. There are some schools obsessed with data and ticking the boxes to impress inspectors. My last school was great. In at 8.30 and out the door for 3.30/4.00 with only the odd bit of weekend work or work at night and I never did work on my holidays. In other schools, including my current school, I can never get my work done. Work home every night, weekends and over the holidays too. No need for the half of it and most of the box ticking does not help the children learn at all, in fact it probably has the opposite effect as I don't get the time to teach the fun lessons anymore. Starting to feel more like a child psychologist or a social worker these days too. Children coming to school half dressed and starving and clearly living in unhappy homes. Bloody disgrace how some parents get on.

How many teachers drop out of teaching now compared to before??

In England they're dropping like flies but not sure about here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 15, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
For me teaching no problem. Every job has its stresses but I would have no difficulty recommending the profession.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
I would chose teaching again but the amount of work I do at the minute is ridiculous. The work just keeps getting piled on, and most of it box ticking! Before I was made permanent in my job I worked in lots of different schools and it is amazing how the workload and children's issues varies from school to school. There are some schools obsessed with data and ticking the boxes to impress inspectors. My last school was great. In at 8.30 and out the door for 3.30/4.00 with only the odd bit of weekend work or work at night and I never did work on my holidays. In other schools, including my current school, I can never get my work done. Work home every night, weekends and over the holidays too. No need for the half of it and most of the box ticking does not help the children learn at all, in fact it probably has the opposite effect as I don't get the time to teach the fun lessons anymore. Starting to feel more like a child psychologist or a social worker these days too. Children coming to school half dressed and starving and clearly living in unhappy homes. Bloody disgrace how some parents get on.

How many teachers drop out of teaching now compared to before??

In England they're dropping like flies but not sure about here.

With the effort of doing a degree then going on to do a teaching qualification (if you choose that route) the rewards don't seem great... Money wise its not a lot compared to other graduate jobs, so is it the love of teaching and the long holiday's (which seem to be shortening) the job security (which isn't always there now with cuts) and a good pension that keeps people in teaching??

My wife has said she would never encourage our kids to go down the teaching route...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2016, 10:44:22 AM
Any ICT coordinators in here? Coordinator role has been advertised in my school.  How annoying is it? I know it's not worth the money but it would be good experience. Worked out if I tutored two children a week it would be better money!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: diegoforlan1 on June 17, 2016, 10:47:27 AM
Frick up Cookie sa
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on June 17, 2016, 11:01:27 AM
The thing that grates me about teachers is the ones that get into an absolute tailspin when it comes the time for an inspection.  Surely the stuff that the inspectors are looking for is just the stuff they should be doing all along?  Surely if you'd done your work when you were supposed to you wouldn't be in this panic?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 17, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: Franko on June 17, 2016, 11:01:27 AM
The thing that grates me about teachers is the ones that get into an absolute tailspin when it comes the time for an inspection.  Surely the stuff that the inspectors are looking for is just the stuff they should be doing all along?  Surely if you'd done your work when you were supposed to you wouldn't be in this panic?

Inspections are not much different from a visit by the mother-in-law. The wife has to have the place spotless.

The problem with inspectors is that quite often they have not taught for years, they might stumble upon good practice elsewhere but have no idea of what is required to implement. Also, I'm also unsure inspection goals are aligned with school objectives, which should be pupil orientated.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 17, 2016, 12:01:03 PM
You'd be hard pushed to find any industry that sits "inspection ready" at all times.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2016, 03:51:02 PM
Inspections and their ideas of what 'good' teaching should be are totally unrealistic. Mostly about paperwork and data. This leads to school inspections being a load of shite and a big show for the 3 days that they are in. Children are just numbers and data, the children's home life etc wasn't even considered. We had three inspectors and a principal from another school in for our inspection. The inspectors hadn't been in a classroom in over 15 years and two of them were secondary teachers. I wouldn't know what to look for in a secondary school if I had to go in and look for good lessons. Been through two now and both were a pile of balls, although the school did well in them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2016, 04:07:48 PM
Its all a game, the inspectors are always looking for something different, second guessing them is not worth the effort, have the glass varied and good structures in place and that's it.. they will give you feedback you work on that feedback and put it into practice (where its useful) and move on, cause the next time they will want something else
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
Hard to know what til be at.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on June 30, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
Wasters.
At least the roads will be quiet in the mornings for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 30, 2016, 10:12:02 PM
Three more weeks for me left. I only get 6 1/2 weeks off FFS.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on July 01, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 30, 2016, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 30, 2016, 10:12:02 PM
Three more weeks for me left. I only get 6 1/2 weeks off FFS.
Christ, you get no rest at all.

Thank God, the mon and tue were back in are Inset days and the kids aren't there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2016, 09:32:59 AM
Only the two? Sounds like hell. We need about 7 Inset days to ease ourselves back in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 01, 2016, 03:40:31 PM
Haven't got lifting the head at all today. Flat out trying to catch up on TV shows and what not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on July 01, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Sorry to hear that JimStynes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on July 31, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Was said to me yesterday

"Won't be long now"!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 31, 2016, 11:20:24 AM
Think someone in here said it before - August is like one big long Sunday night. The dread.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 11, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Well has the panic set in? 3 1/2 weeks left.............ffs

Anyways, what are the primary teachers doing to get ready for the new class?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 11, 2016, 12:54:24 PM
Sure you will only be back and you will be on a mid term break.
Wasters.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 11, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 11, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Well has the panic set in? 3 1/2 weeks left.............ffs

Anyways, what are the primary teachers doing to get ready for the new class?

Dreading it! I will wait until I get into school and then decide what I'm doing with the new class, I'm on my holidays for god sake  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: diegoforlan1 on August 11, 2016, 01:02:58 PM
You need to get back to school & quit making Granny Ann production videos.

New career for you in the movie business Stynes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 11, 2016, 01:36:12 PM
just back from my holidays and a few days to kill before my next holiday so getting prepared.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on August 11, 2016, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 11, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 11, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Well has the panic set in? 3 1/2 weeks left.............ffs

Anyways, what are the primary teachers doing to get ready for the new class?

Dreading it! I will wait until I get into school and then decide what I'm doing with the new class, I'm on my holidays for god sake  ;)

Dreading it? Rough school ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 11, 2016, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on August 11, 2016, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 11, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 11, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
Well has the panic set in? 3 1/2 weeks left.............ffs

Anyways, what are the primary teachers doing to get ready for the new class?

Dreading it! I will wait until I get into school and then decide what I'm doing with the new class, I'm on my holidays for god sake  ;)


Dreading it? Rough school ?

Tough class
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Helpline on August 12, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
School is a great place to keep teachers, it frees up the workplace for proper people ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 20, 2016, 11:18:13 PM
(http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/pictures/636xAny/0/4/8/1227048_the-fear.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gold on August 20, 2016, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2016, 11:18:13 PM
(http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/pictures/636xAny/0/4/8/1227048_the-fear.jpg)

2 days off (other than bank holidays) I've had off in 2016. Plus countless hours of unpaid overtime and weekends. Off for 10 work days after finishing this Tuesday.

Teachers do not know they are born
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 20, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: Gold on August 20, 2016, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2016, 11:18:13 PM
(http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/pictures/636xAny/0/4/8/1227048_the-fear.jpg)

2 days off (other than bank holidays) I've had off in 2016. Plus countless hours of unpaid overtime and weekends. Off for 10 work days after finishing this Tuesday.

Teachers do not know they are born

Need to get a new job then! 2 days off?? More fool you!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 20, 2016, 11:51:03 PM
Quote from: Gold on August 20, 2016, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2016, 11:18:13 PM
(http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/pictures/636xAny/0/4/8/1227048_the-fear.jpg)

2 days off (other than bank holidays) I've had off in 2016. Plus countless hours of unpaid overtime and weekends. Off for 10 work days after finishing this Tuesday.

Teachers do not know they are born
That's called exploitation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2016, 03:21:45 PM
What day is everyone back?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
Thursday  :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
Thursday  :(

I hope u get a cheeky bunch of ill reared we feckers and hope they break your heart...ohh and i hope their parents are up barging you daily ;) ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on August 22, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
Thursday  :(

I hope u get a cheeky bunch of ill reared we feckers and hope they break your heart...ohh and i hope their parents are up barging you daily ;) ;D

Dont worry Illdecide im sure its only six weeks to their next week off  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 22, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
Thursday  :(

I hope u get a cheeky bunch of ill reared we feckers and hope they break your heart...ohh and i hope their parents are up barging you daily ;) ;D

Dont worry Illdecide im sure its only six weeks to their next week off  ;)

Your way of the mark there...no chance of 6 weeks continuous work. Thats actually a good question some teachers can answer...what is the longest spell you have to work uninterrupted by holidays off
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 22, 2016, 05:07:18 PM
Tomorrow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2016, 08:18:54 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 22, 2016, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 22, 2016, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
Thursday  :(

I hope u get a cheeky bunch of ill reared we feckers and hope they break your heart...ohh and i hope their parents are up barging you daily ;) ;D

Dont worry Illdecide im sure its only six weeks to their next week off  ;)

Your way of the mark there...no chance of 6 weeks continuous work. Thats actually a good question some teachers can answer...what is the longest spell you have to work uninterrupted by holidays off

9 weeks, until the Halloween break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Thursday and Friday then off Monday. Not a chance could we start with a full week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on August 22, 2016, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2016, 03:21:45 PM
What day is everyone back?

Never. Ain't going back through those gates again. :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 22, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
Monday week
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Thursday and Friday then off Monday. Not a chance could we start with a full week.

I'm back full whack next Monday, children and all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 31, 2016, 09:32:50 PM
Any of you boys in charge of sport/PE/extended schools in your school? Do you know of any coaches that can come into school for free or at a reasonable cost? I have organised the active community coaches in the past but they seem to be hard to come by in the area that my school is in (Antrim & Newtonabbey council).
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2016, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 24, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 22, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Thursday and Friday then off Monday. Not a chance could we start with a full week.

I'm back full whack next Monday, children and all.
I know the feeling Farr, I was you many a year.
I always thought that the only thing wrong with teaching was the children. If you could get rid of the little feckers, a teacher's life would be a happy one. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 31, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq8K6agWEAAryEC.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on September 01, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 31, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq8K6agWEAAryEC.jpg:small)

Didn't Donegal have similar rules a few years ago?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hereiam on September 01, 2016, 03:47:04 PM
These should be brought back into law again  :-X
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 01, 2016, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 01, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 31, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq8K6agWEAAryEC.jpg:small)

Didn't Donegal have similar rules a few years ago?
You mean they still don't? ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 01, 2016, 03:55:48 PM
bejaysus, theres a couple of videos ive seen recently which makes a mockery of the above I tell thee.








ive said too much haven't I  :-[


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on September 01, 2016, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 01, 2016, 03:55:48 PM
bejaysus, theres a couple of videos ive seen recently which makes a mockery of the above I tell thee.








ive said too much haven't I  :-[

RULE 1!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on September 01, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
Clean wrecked. This working carryon is tough!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 01, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
Clean wrecked. This working carryon is tough!
You can sing it. I'm non stop printing out objectives and learning outcomes all week. As well as phoning outside agencies as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: moysider on September 02, 2016, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 01, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
Clean wrecked. This working carryon is tough!
You can sing it. I'm non stop printing out objectives and learning outcomes all week. As well as phoning outside agencies as well.

It's a mess.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on September 02, 2016, 07:03:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 01, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
Clean wrecked. This working carryon is tough!
You can sing it. I'm non stop printing out objectives and learning outcomes all week. As well as phoning outside agencies as well.

That's just looking for tickets.  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on September 07, 2016, 06:49:58 PM
What's the craic with this news on the transfer test? Just teach to the test from now on then? ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 06, 2016, 05:02:28 PM
What's the craic with wains in the afternoon??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 06, 2016, 07:31:08 PM
After we get Friday over us we have only 3 weeks until mid term!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 06, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
two weeks for me, then a week off. How long ye off for?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2016, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 06, 2016, 08:14:19 PM
two weeks for me, then a week off. How long ye off for?
A week starting the 31st.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 06, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
After 11 years I left the profession at he end of the last academic year. I miss it not one bit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2016, 09:02:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 06, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
After 11 years I left the profession at he end of the last academic year. I miss it not one bit

Leave to get a real job Tonto ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on October 06, 2016, 10:17:52 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 06, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
After 11 years I left the profession at he end of the last academic year. I miss it not one bit

+1 but after 33
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 07, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
What job ye go into?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 07, 2016, 06:55:19 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 07, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
What job ye go into?

Training to be an IT consultant
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on October 07, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
How much does a substitute get paid per day in the south?
Does it make any difference if it's a private school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on October 08, 2016, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 07, 2016, 06:55:19 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 07, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
What job ye go into?

Training to be an IT consultant

Good luck with the notion that IT Consultants get it handy. In my experience, consultants are made, not trained.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: No wides on October 08, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 07, 2016, 06:55:19 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 07, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
What job ye go into?

Training to be an IT consultant

Forget the training you only need to know how to pass a call to the techies, who will either fix it for you or advise you what to do in relation to it.  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on October 08, 2016, 02:50:54 PM
A better definition of consultant is someone who borrows your watch to tell you the time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hectic on October 08, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
From my experience I would be of the opinion that a lot of people like to talk their jobs up with a good dose of complaining thrown in while looking down at other professions. Teachers are known as the biggest yaps but given how many there are it is probably just because we all tend to hear it rather than them necessarily being worse than anyone else.

The way I see it you should be able to get fully up to speed in most jobs within a year or two, don't talk it up because nobody cares and don't complain because nobody cares.

That said I could not teach. The diversity in behaviour of adults in working life is my limit without having to deal with kids day in day out but different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 08, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 07, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
How much does a substitute get paid per day in the south?
Does it make any difference if it's a private school?
There is a qualified and a non qualified rate

Also, the garda vetting thing down here has cranked up a few notches

Making it very awkward for schools and sub teachers now

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redzone on October 08, 2016, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 08, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 07, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
How much does a substitute get paid per day in the south?
Does it make any difference if it's a private school?
There is a qualified and a non qualified rate

Also, the garda vetting thing down here has cranked up a few notches

Making it very awkward for schools and sub teachers now


lol still hasn't answered the mans question
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 08, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 07, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
How much does a substitute get paid per day in the south?
Does it make any difference if it's a private school?
There is a qualified and a non qualified rate

Also, the garda vetting thing down here has cranked up a few notches

Making it very awkward for schools and sub teachers now
I don't think security checks and child protection vetting should be considered making things awkward.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 08, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 08, 2016, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 07, 2016, 06:55:19 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 07, 2016, 06:31:01 AM
What job ye go into?

Training to be an IT consultant

Good luck with the notion that IT Consultants get it handy. In my experience, consultants are made, not trained.

Who said they get it handy? The training is difficult. Will be working for BAE
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 26, 2016, 02:07:48 PM
How many of you wasters are going on strike tomorrow.?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
striking.... for money they are owed for three years doing supervision work for free

If I was owed three years worth of money I'd be striking too
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 26, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
striking.... for money they are owed for three years doing supervision work for free

If I was owed three years worth of money I'd be striking too

Not only that, but young teachers are getting quite less pension wise and incremental wise too. That's why the ASTI are striking tomorrow. It isn't the 'pay' of older teachers, rather those who have graduated post 2011 who are getting a raw deal.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 26, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 26, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 04:18:57 PM
striking.... for money they are owed for three years doing supervision work for free

If I was owed three years worth of money I'd be striking too

Not only that, but young teachers are getting quite less pension wise and incremental wise too. That's why the ASTI are striking tomorrow. It isn't the 'pay' of older teachers, rather those who have graduated post 2011 who are getting a raw deal.

Farr all DB pensions are screwed, private and public. The model is broken. Those on pension now are legally protected. Those who get on pension the quickest get the most. Those starting now will get the least.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
Career average earnings for pensions

More incentive for people to get into management earlier
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 26, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Not long until a well earned week off  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
When all is said and done, it's hard to bate a red pen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
When all is said and done, it's hard to bate a red pen.
Not allowed use red in some schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 26, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
When all is said and done, it's hard to bate a red pen.
Not allowed use red in some schools
Yep. Heard that all right. Green is the best apparently.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 10:44:24 PM
Yep, green is the new red. Green scares people. Can't have that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 26, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
Green in my school when I mark work every month
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on October 26, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
According to IN today, a teachers' union is threatening industrial action on the latest pay offer by not setting and marking homework for the first week of each half term.  So the green or red pens will last a little longer when this happens.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 26, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
Paltry enough sanction.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 26, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 26, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
According to IN today, a teachers' union is threatening industrial action on the latest pay offer by not setting and marking homework for the first week of each half term.  So the green or red pens will last a little longer when this happens.

Jeepers, they'll be shaking In their books (boots).

Goodnight.

The union member who came up this needs to be sacked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 27, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
Career average earnings for pensions

More incentive for people to get into management earlier

Yip, like I said, those on pension already = laughing.

Question though.

If you had, for example, 20 years service when they introduced the career average pension, would you keep your earned final salary benefit (for the 20 years done) and then get career average for the other 20 years service? Or did everyone go completely from final salary to career average instantly when it was introduced?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 27, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
Career average earnings for pensions

More incentive for people to get into management earlier

Yip, like I said, those on pension already = laughing.

Question though.

If you had, for example, 20 years service when they introduced the career average pension, would you keep your earned final salary benefit (for the 20 years done) and then get career average for the other 20 years service? Or did everyone go completely from final salary to career average instantly when it was introduced?
new entrants go onto the newer scheme
existing teachers stayed on their old scheme

there are so many different contracts in teaching since 2005 you have to be careful as different teachers are on completely different rates of pay and terms
pre 2005 teachers can retire earlier, on better pensions

I'm hugely in favour of reform of the pension situation, despite being on the better pension!

the INTO have completely sold out younger teachers for the last 15 years trying to safeguard the retirement pots for their older members
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 27, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 27, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 26, 2016, 09:23:31 PM
Career average earnings for pensions

More incentive for people to get into management earlier

Yip, like I said, those on pension already = laughing.

Question though.

If you had, for example, 20 years service when they introduced the career average pension, would you keep your earned final salary benefit (for the 20 years done) and then get career average for the other 20 years service? Or did everyone go completely from final salary to career average instantly when it was introduced?
new entrants go onto the newer scheme
existing teachers stayed on their old scheme

there are so many different contracts in teaching since 2005 you have to be careful as different teachers are on completely different rates of pay and terms
pre 2005 teachers can retire earlier, on better pensions

I'm hugely in favour of reform of the pension situation, despite being on the better pension!

the INTO have completely sold out younger teachers for the last 15 years trying to safeguard the retirement pots for their older members

I was wondering how that worked.

So career average is only for teachers who started after 2005?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: shark on October 27, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
More like 2012. Career average then came in to the entire public service for new entrants.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: saffronandblue on October 27, 2016, 05:40:19 PM
By God, the ASTI leadership are piss poor. After striking for one day they now want to suspend action to accept a bit of a deal that the TUI members are already entitled too, namely a CID after 2 years. They are not even demanding the payment for supervision that their TUI colleagues already receive. All unions it seems are a total waste of time, with the top brass only interested in lining their deep pockets.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Why are the entry requirements so high relative to the actual difficulty in obtaining the qualification?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 07:08:47 PM
6 weeks for us on the mainland here
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 27, 2016, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Why are the entry requirements so high relative to the actual difficulty in obtaining the qualification?

One of the strange things about the Irish teaching system on  both sides of the border.
In most countries the entry requirements are a lot lower.

Now I would view higher entry requirements as a good thing but sure it's only your kids they will be educating .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 27, 2016, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Are foreigners who are qualified teachers, allowed to teach in Ireland?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 27, 2016, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...


Why are the entry requirements so high relative to the actual difficulty in obtaining the qualification?

One of the strange things about the Irish teaching system on  both sides of the border.
In most countries the entry requirements are a lot lower.

Now I would view higher entry requirements as a good thing but sure it's only your kids they will be educating .

The higher entry requirements are there as there are an awful lot of people who want to be teachers in the South.

The reason an awful lot of people want to be teachers in the South is due to the perks such as short working week and generous holidays available.

Now I don't want to label everyone with the same brush, I'm sure there are plenty of good teachers out there who are in that job for genuine and admirable reasons but the cynic in me tells me that an awful lot of them are there for the perks. I think those perks should be reduced and that way you get people who are passionate and dedicated to their work. I don't think you have to be necessarily bright to be a teacher, particularly primary level as after all you are teaching 8 and 9 year olds so higher entry requirements are not necessarily a true reflection.

I would give teachers a standard 30 days annual leave - including their mid terms and summer holidays. They should be put doing educational community and assisting projects with special needs kids etc during the summer.

I see and hear of plenty of cases of teachers getting sponsored  to go off and do "charity work" in the likes of Africa for the summer. In other words, they look for people to pay for their summer holidays while they collect a wage during the summer. Again, maybe that's just the cynic in me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:56:48 PM
The overall point I am making is that a teacher's salary, working hours and annual leave should be in line with those of guards, nurses and other public servants.

As far as I'm aware a teacher is paid probably a higher salary than a nurse of a guard, has a far shorter working week (also doesn't have to work weekends) and would probably have at least the double the number of annual leave days. To my eyes, they are overpaid and underworked when comparable to other sectors.

I think if the perks were taken away, then a lot of people would go elsewhere and it is my view that losing those prospective people would be of no loss at all.

I have zero sympathy for teachers at this current juncture, I think their strike action is pretty disgraceful and shows how deluded they are. Again I don't like tarring them all with the same brush but as long as those perks are there to be availed of that's what will happen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: sammymaguire on October 27, 2016, 08:29:45 PM
Teachers do get it handy, so they should just shut to heck up and get on with their jobs.

So much for teaching being a vocation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Why are the entry requirements so high relative to the actual difficulty in obtaining the qualification?
Relatively few places on.courses
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on October 27, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
Wouldn't have much sympathy for the striking teachers at all; was happy enough to see it lashing rain for the picket today
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 27, 2016, 09:40:43 PM
Handy wee number alright!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AZOffaly on October 27, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
Lads, I'm not a teacher, but I'm a coach, and I think that anyone that thinks teaching a class of either teenagers or younger children is a handy job is mental.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 09:47:59 PM
Average week for me.

7-5.15 each day. Maybe a bit earlier on Friday.

These above hours do include marking books. English and Maths need to be marked each night. 1 1/2 hours per set of books. I dont get this done daily as it is too much.

So say 10 hours a day x 5 and then a couple of hours at night marking. Say I dont mark every night , so I'll bring it Down to 6 hours.

Someone do the Maths as apparently we're not skilled enough.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 09:49:49 PM
Oh yeah and keeping 30 kids motivated, disclipined and educated all by yourself with no help.

Forgot about that one Offaly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redzone on October 27, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 09:47:59 PM
Average week for me.

7-5.15 each day. Maybe a bit It earlier on Friday.

These above hours do include marking books. English and Maths need to be marked each night. 1 1/2 hours per set of books. I do t get this done daily as it is too much.

So say 10 hours a day x 5 and then a couple of hours at night marking. Say I dont mark every night , so I'll bring it Down to 6 hours.

Someone do the Maths as apparently we're not skilled enough.

Your obviously a rubbish teacher if you have to do all them hours. That's the big problem I see. To many teachers that haven't a clue what they are at
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: AZOffaly on October 27, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 27, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 09:47:59 PM
Average week for me.

7-5.15 each day. Maybe a bit It earlier on Friday.

These above hours do include marking books. English and Maths need to be marked each night. 1 1/2 hours per set of books. I do t get this done daily as it is too much.

So say 10 hours a day x 5 and then a couple of hours at night marking. Say I dont mark every night , so I'll bring it Down to 6 hours.

Someone do the Maths as apparently we're not skilled enough.

Your obviously a rubbish teacher if you have to do all them hours. That's the big problem I see. To many teachers that haven't a clue what they are at
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Class :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: redzone on October 27, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 27, 2016, 09:47:59 PM
Average week for me.

7-5.15 each day. Maybe a bit It earlier on Friday.

These above hours do include marking books. English and Maths need to be marked each night. 1 1/2 hours per set of books. I do t get this done daily as it is too much.

So say 10 hours a day x 5 and then a couple of hours at night marking. Say I dont mark every night , so I'll bring it Down to 6 hours.

Someone do the Maths as apparently we're not skilled enough.

Your obviously a rubbish teacher if you have to do all them hours. That's the big problem I see. To many teachers that haven't a clue what they are at

Je, that is a shocking response!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 27, 2016, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 27, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
Lads, I'm not a teacher, but I'm a coach, and I think that anyone that thinks teaching a class of either teenagers or younger children is a handy job is mental.

Couldn't agree more. There are good teachers and there are poor ones, just like any job. There are also some fantastic people who couldn't do enough for kids that aren't their own and go way beyond what would reasonably be expected of them. Particularly in bad areas of Dublin for example.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2016, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 27, 2016, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Are foreigners who are qualified teachers, allowed to teach in Ireland?
If they do the SCG - an Irish exam, then they can teach primary yes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.

What about farming?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 27, 2016, 11:28:28 PM
The thing about teaching is that it varies from school to school and you get paid the same no matter where you are. My last school was in a lovely wee country area. Handy number. In at 8.15 and out the door at 4.15 and only the odd night of marking. Children were great and parents were supportive and all the rest.  My current job is in a very rough area, a complete kip in fact. It is a very stressful job, with unreal amounts of paper work. I feel like I am a social worker, admin officer, child psychologist and a bit of teaching thrown in somewhere as well. A good portion of the paperwork (that doesn't benefit or help the children one bit) is done to please people whoever might come into inspect us at some stage. I have work to do every night but I don't mind it. The pay is not worth the responsibility but it is still decent enough money, though you will never be rich. Great job but definitely not an easy one. The holidays are a perk but if you were in my current job for the wrong reasons then you wouldn't last a year.

I've worked in the health service before and finance jobs over the summer months! Now they were definitely a gift of a job!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months


There Are a few people on here slabbering  Abt  teaching.. 
Teaching   today is nt like it was in the past.
The level of accountability is incredible
The ability to teach isn't  determined  by the amount of holidays or pay. It is a highly demanding job  that is undervalued and underpaid .
Experienced and highly skilled teachers should be paid at a much higher level.  At least 20k  more
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on October 28, 2016, 12:08:07 AM
Seen this article a couple of days ago...


Then I had my exam analysis review meeting. They're not much fun these things. I have a good reputation in school: kids like me, colleagues respect me; the head, who is also my line manager, tells me I'm doing great.

They always start with the usual: "Thanks for your comprehensive analysis. You have made a detailed report". The mood is sombre and darkening by the second. "Your results have improved but not enough. You are one of the best teachers in school but your results are only average.

"If Freddie can get a C in English, why did he only get a D in your subject? And why was that lad half a mark off a B? Do you actually challenge your pupils or are you making it too easy for them? Why do girls outperform boys?" I sat there aghast as he continued: "Why did the pupil with 54 per cent attendance not get his C?"

Are you all out of magic wands now?

But it carries on: "Personally, I don't understand these figures. I don't understand why your pupil premiums are so low but students with special educational needs do so well. What is your strategy? Why didn't that kid who was underperforming come to your revision club?"
It was because you told me I had to let him go to maths because it's double weighted.

"Then why didn't you run a weekend session?"

I was already doing weekday evenings until 7pm and gave up all my holidays after Christmas for free and provided all the food and drink because you slashed the catering budget to zero and I wanted a good turn out. I was up two nights making 50 sandwiches until after midnight during one of our plentiful and decadent holidays that parents still mistakenly think are wholly ours to enjoy.

So here we are. On the surface, it was a cordial and professional meeting about data but I put my heart and soul into my job and I was gutted that four students had underperformed. But all they want to do is talk about residuals and progression and turning water into wine.

These are human beings. They are fallible and make mistakes – for teenagers, making mistakes is in their DNA and their job description.

The ones who worked hard did well. The high- and low-ability students made over expected progress. The middle ability were less consistent. The kids who didn't revise, didn't appear to revise after study leave, lost their books or were too disorganised, oddly enough didn't do so good whilst the ones who worked hard got what they truly deserved.

But that's not enough. Lazy kids, apathy, missing a grade boundary by half a mark that had already been raised by three this year, apparently it's all down to me.


The bit in bold is where its at. Regardless of what teachers have to work with, the expectation is on ever improving results, which isn't possible, as every year you are dealing with a completely different set of students. But the blame will always sit firmly at the feet of the teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 12:15:10 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2016, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 27, 2016, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 27, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 27, 2016, 06:37:52 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months holidays.

It would be interesting then to see how many people would be clambering to take it up as a career option.
I dont see too many clambering to join it as it is...

Are foreigners who are qualified teachers, allowed to teach in Ireland?
If they do the SCG - an Irish exam, then they can teach primary yes.

So they have to learn Irish?

What about Secondary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2016, 12:17:11 AM
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
The ability to teach isn't  determined  by the amount of holidays or pay. It is a highly demanding job  that is undervalued and underpaid .
Experienced and highly skilled teachers should be paid at a much higher level.  At least 20k  more

The problem is that in the present 26 county dispute, there isn't much interest in what teachers do as a group, never mind what they do individually. That is the problem with the public service generally, it is regarded by government and detractors as single entity, when it has all sorts doing all sorts of jobs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 12:16:37 AM
I think they have to learn English too.

Yip, two languages.

What do we have to learn to teach abroad?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 28, 2016, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 12:16:37 AM
I think they have to learn English too.

Yip, two languages.

What do we have to learn to teach abroad?
Depends on the school I suppose. People generally go to teach in schools that follow the English curriculum so that they don't have to learn much to teach in them.
To teach in a run of the mill Italian primary school, you'd have to have learned Italian....I'd imagine.

TBF I was more interesting in secondary. I know a French girl, a teacher from France, who couldn't get a job teaching in Ireland. Surely a French teacher, from France, would be worth a look? I was told she was unemployable in Ireland due to it being a 'closed shop', which is why I was asking. That might be wrong though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 28, 2016, 09:19:52 AM
I know what you are talking about. I know a German man who  teaches German in Hamburg.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bamboo on October 28, 2016, 09:20:43 AM
Things would be a bit easier for teachers if all the mouthpieces on here kept their kids at home and home schooled them. Not even sure why'd send their kids to school if they've such a problem with 'wasters' trying to educate children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
Teachers should be put to work for their 3 months


There Are a few people on here slabbering  Abt  teaching.. 
Teaching   today is nt like it was in the past.
The level of accountability is incredible
The ability to teach isn't  determined  by the amount of holidays or pay. It is a highly demanding job  that is undervalued and underpaid .
Experienced and highly skilled teachers should be paid at a much higher level.  At least 20k  more

Why are teachers very defensive over their 3 months holidays?

Do they see it as an entitlement?

What other job offers a quarter of the year as a paid holiday?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Try it, you'll never know whether or not one is more stressful or more deserving than the other? There are many types of nursing that is less stressful than teaching and same the other way..... Not down to the teachers to give reasons as to why they get paid more, nurses should get what they deserve
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Try it, you'll never know whether or not one is more stressful or more deserving than the other? There are many types of nursing that is less stressful than teaching and same the other way..... Not down to the teachers to give reasons as to why they get paid more, nurses should get what they deserve

Maybe nurses get what they deserve.

Maybe teachers get far more than they deserve and want more too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 12:33:09 AM
I'm not sure but I know a man who teaches history in a secondary school in Dublin. He couldn't bless himself in Irish.
In the north, there are a number of native language teachers as you have described.

I was mainly responding to Manfromdelmonte's point about people not clambering to be teachers.

I am interested in Irish and try to keep some competence in the language (not fluent sadly) so I have no agenda here, but if you put a barrier such as 'must speak Irish' then you can't really point at a lack of applications as proof of it not being a popular job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Try it, you'll never know whether or not one is more stressful or more deserving than the other? There are many types of nursing that is less stressful than teaching and same the other way..... Not down to the teachers to give reasons as to why they get paid more, nurses should get what they deserve

Maybe nurses get what they deserve.

Maybe teachers get far more than they deserve and want more too.

Again you'd need to try it and see for yourself.... every person in a job wants more holidays and more pay, anyone can put themselves into a position to seek that job, if they choose nursing and then complain about getting crap wages or shit holidays then they havent done their homework (shit pun)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:20:28 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Try it, you'll never know whether or not one is more stressful or more deserving than the other? There are many types of nursing that is less stressful than teaching and same the other way..... Not down to the teachers to give reasons as to why they get paid more, nurses should get what they deserve

Maybe nurses get what they deserve.

Maybe teachers get far more than they deserve and want more too.

Again you'd need to try it and see for yourself.... every person in a job wants more holidays and more pay, anyone can put themselves into a position to seek that job, if they choose nursing and then complain about getting crap wages or shit holidays then they havent done their homework (shit pun)

I think it shows the delusion teachers have.

They don't realise what they have is way and above what most of their public sector counterparts have, I think it would be great if they were brought back down to reality, which is unlikely to happen.

Their striking is an absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TheOptimist on October 28, 2016, 11:38:54 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

As a graduate accountant, I started on £12,500
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2016, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I didn't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2016, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on October 28, 2016, 11:38:54 AM
As a graduate accountant, I started on £12,500

As a graduate accountant or a graduate trainee accountant?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 28, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 01:31:00 PM
someone is stuck at home with the kids
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 28, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 28, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

Thats better than the wee six
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 28, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

Thats better than the wee six

A lot better, I think the way we pay teachers and manage the perks is a lot fairer. In the south the teachers seem to take the piss.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 02:45:29 PM
New teachers start on £22k a year in the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 04:00:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 28, 2016, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 28, 2016, 12:33:09 AM
I'm not sure but I know a man who teaches history in a secondary school in Dublin. He couldn't bless himself in Irish.
In the north, there are a number of native language teachers as you have described.

I was mainly responding to Manfromdelmonte's point about people not clambering to be teachers.

I am interested in Irish and try to keep some competence in the language (not fluent sadly) so I have no agenda here, but if you put a barrier such as 'must speak Irish' then you can't really point at a lack of applications as proof of it not being a popular job.
That barrier of "must have relevant qualification in maths" is probably a pain for some as well, but I appreciate its importance when giving children access to the Irish primary school curriculum.

There are many qualified teachers in Ireland, with relevant qualifications in anything you want, but if they don't speak Irish, they can't go near a Primary School. Is it the same for secondary schools?

By the way, don't interpret this as being against the Irish language. I think it should be taught in primary and secondary schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Billys Boots on October 28, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
The Irish requirement is certainly required for full-time lectureships in third-level colleges - in Chemistry!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 28, 2016, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on October 28, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
The Irish requirement is certainly required for full-time lectureships in third-level colleges - in Chemistry!!

That is what I am getting at. A rule like that can rule out lots of Irish people, never mind highly qualified EU citizens. And I don't think it does much to promote Irish either. Or Chemistry!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 05:10:54 PM
A junior doctor has a lower starting salary than a teacher.

A junior doctor works crazy hours in high pressure and very stressful environment.

That to me is just obscene. Teachers have some neck on them as far as I'm concerned, there's a level of delusion and entitlement to them that is not seen in any other profession.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 28, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Il Bomber fairly ripping you teachers a new one. Well played Destro.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 28, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 11:27:12 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Should nurses not get paid a lot more rather than say teachers should get less?

I don't think nurses get that raw a deal. I'd say they should probably get a small rise but at the same time public sector works get an awful lot more perks than private sector workers hence their may be a disparity in equivalent salaries. It's then down to the trade off between what motivates a person - money or lifestyle balance.

Permanent teachers start on 30k a year, what other jobs give you that kind of starting salary?

I certainly didn't get anywhere near that when I started off.

Inflation.
I doubt very much that teachers start off on 30k a year

They dont
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.

Teachers don't work 30 hours a week. Double that and you would be getting close
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 28, 2016, 06:13:23 PM
Ah God love ye.  60hrs a week. That would be a quiet week for me. Also I don't believe any teacher works that amount.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.

Teachers don't work 30 hours a week. Double that and you would be getting close

Good joke, pal.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

The average starting salary of a graduate in the 26 counties is €28,461, and teachers have a further year in college, so plenty of people start of €30k+. If anything it is the nurse that is out of line. And of course few teachers start in a regular job initially, but rather have a lot of hours and the like before getting a post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 28, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 10:39:29 AM
Can any teacher here justify why they get paid more than their equivalent in say, nursing?

Can any teacher here justify why they would get at least double the paid annual leave of a nurse?

Do they actually think teaching is a higher skilled job or a more stressful job than a nurse?

I did a quick google search there, a new qualified teacher who gets a permanent position gets paid about 30k a year (with 3 months holidays), the equivalent nurse gets 23k with 24 days annual leave?

Can a teacher justify that to me or do they feel the sense of entitlement to 3 months holidays and a starting salary of 30% more than a nurse of a garda?

Where does an NQT get 30k a year? I got 19 when I started in 2005. I know a girl who started last year and got 21k so where do they get 30k

http://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-february-1-2012/

The average starting salary of a graduate in the 26 counties is €28,461, and teachers have a further year in college, so plenty of people start of €30k+. If anything it is the nurse that is out of line. And of course few teachers start in a regular job initially, but rather have a lot of hours and the like before getting a post.

They should be put to work in the summer months, helping disadvantaged and special needs kids during the summer.

I don't think teachers should be getting paid more than the likes of a garda or a nurse.

I don't think they should be getting paid more than a garda or nurse and having a minimum of double the annual leave other public sector workers get.

I don't think they be getting paid more when their working week is a lot shorter than that of other public sector workers.

Teachers seem to have a sense of entitlement to their 3 month holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on October 28, 2016, 07:22:57 PM
Why are so many teachers leaving such a handy number with months of holidays?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37750489

Almost a third of the new teachers who started jobs in English state schools in 2010 had left the sector five years later, ministers have confirmed.
Of 24,100 state school teachers to qualify in 2010, 30% had quit by 2015, Schools Minister Nick Gibb revealed in a written parliamentary answer.
The Liberal Democrats say the figures are a "damning record" of Michael Gove's term as education secretary.
The government said teacher retention had been broadly stable for 20 years.
The figures were confirmed by Mr Gibb in a written parliamentary answer to a question from Liberal Democrat MP Greg Mulholland.
Brain drain
They show that in November 2010 24,100 newly qualified teachers entered English state schools.
After one year 87% were still there.
This fell to 82% after two years, 77% after three years, 73% after four years and 70% after five years.
Liberal Democrat education spokesman John Pugh said he blamed changes brought in by Mr Gove, who turned more than half of secondary schools into academies, reshaped the curriculum and rewrote the exam system.
"It is bad enough that dedicated teachers are being driven away from the profession they love, but this is also laying the foundations for a disastrous teaching shortage in years to come if we cannot train new teachers fast enough to replace the ones which leave," said Mr Pugh.
"The government must urgently work with the teaching community to address the many factors which are making teachers feel demoralised and under-valued; as well as reversing their devastating cuts to school budgets, which are putting increasing pressure on teachers and schools."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 28, 2016, 08:30:14 PM
I'll bomber
"They should be put to work in the summer months, helping disadvantaged and special needs kids during the summer."

for your information teachers help disadvantaged and special needs children and their parents every day they  go to school.    Even the children deserve. A summer holiday.

I'm taking unclear what profession you are   but you really have no idea about the job teachers do ...it's complexities ...

It is no easy job. But it is a fantastic job in terms of seeing all children make progress. And become doctors. Nurses....people who work in education. Give more than any of the shite talked on here by people who just don't know  or more likely had a poor educational experience or indeed haven't  got a decent career path   sin e
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 28, 2016, 08:39:35 PM
I'm assuming he's talking about teaching in the South rather than up North. Handier number down south than the wee handy teaching jobs up here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: blast05 on October 28, 2016, 08:58:19 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 08:30:14 PM
It is no easy job. But it is a fantastic job in terms of seeing all children make progress.

Interestingly, that is pretty much the exact line I have used many times to describe the time I have spent over the last 4 years training/coaching a bunch of 4 and 5 year olds in my local club up to the point where they are now finished U-8 and moving to U-10.............
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 28, 2016, 09:26:14 PM
Lad. We get 22k starting. It goes up 2 grand a year, if it passes by board of governors. Currently waiting on mine to go up.

As I stated in my earlier post I'm in at 7 each morn and stay to about 5.15. Times this by 5 and then add work in the house.

I'm not lying lads.

So stick that up your holes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 28, 2016, 10:00:05 PM
7am to 5pm. Nice short day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 28, 2016, 10:14:33 PM
Teaching a child to read is slightly more difficult than kicking a fkn  ball.   Catch  a  grip.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 28, 2016, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 10:14:33 PM
Teaching a child to read is slightly more difficult than kicking a fkn  ball.   Catch  a  grip.

Depends which child lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 29, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Quote from: laoislad on October 28, 2016, 10:00:05 PM
7am to 5pm. Nice short day.

Except it's not just that. Sure just leave the part about work at home out as it doesn't suit your argument
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 29, 2016, 12:07:38 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 28, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 28, 2016, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM
After tax  , national Insurance  and superannuation  , take home pay is  what matters and it doesnt  reflect their qualifications and role in society.
A sch principal responsible for 330 other people , earns £150  a day approx.
Someone  in private sector can charge any figure and add 30% and perhaps pay little tax on it .

So are you now complaining about the massive pensions that teachers and public servants get?

We'll say teachers work 30 hours a week.
We'll say they work 35 weeks in the year.
The starting salary is €31,000.

35 weeks by 30 hours is 1,050 hours.
The hourly rate is €29.52.
That is over triple the minimum wage for a teacher at the starting scale.

Now compare that with a private sector worker.

They works say 39 hours a week.
They work say 47 weeks in the year.
In order to match that hourly rate they would need a starting salary of around €55k.

How many jobs would you walk out of university with a degree and into €55k starting salary. I can guarantee there wouldn't be many about and they would be very hard obtained with plenty of pressure and expectation from your employers.

Teachers don't work 30 hours a week. Double that and you would be getting close

Good joke, pal.

I ain't your pal and nor am I joking. However it's clear from your posts that you do not know a thing about teaching and you have something against those in the profession so arguing with you on it is pointless
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 29, 2016, 09:51:11 AM
30 hours a week would be me arriving at school at 9; with the kids need collecting from yard at 8:50. Then I would be leaving school at 3; with classes going into 3:15.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 29, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
You're working in England as well! Ridiculous hours and ridiculous paperwork over there. Need to get yourself back home for a wee handy job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 29, 2016, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 28, 2016, 08:30:14 PM
I'll bomber
"They should be put to work in the summer months, helping disadvantaged and special needs kids during the summer."

for your information teachers help disadvantaged and special needs children and their parents every day they  go to school.    Even the children deserve. A summer holiday.

I'm taking unclear what profession you are   but you really have no idea about the job teachers do ...it's complexities ...

It is no easy job. But it is a fantastic job in terms of seeing all children make progress. And become doctors. Nurses....people who work in education. Give more than any of the shite talked on here by people who just don't know  or more likely had a poor educational experience or indeed haven't  got a decent career path   sin e

That's their job.

They should not get 3 months holidays a year with the salary and perks they have. You seem to hold a sense of entitlement to those 3 months holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 29, 2016, 01:59:41 PM
In the 26 there never seems to be a supply problem with teachers.

I hold little sympathy for newly qualified teachers who are finding it tough, they chose that career path and the likelihood is the great starting salary, the shorter working week (compared to industry average), excessive holidays (probably over treble the industry average), big pension and job security were the motivating factors in that decision.

Would there be the same clamber for teaching positions on undergraduate degrees if teachers were no longer given their 3 month holidays and their working perks were in line with their public servant counterparts like nurses, gardai etc.

That is the elephant in the room as far as teachers are concerned and one they do not want to address. They feel a sense of entitlement to those 3 month paid holidays.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on October 29, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
Why do childcare workers who work in creches/playschools etc get paid the minimum wage, work 12 months a year and get no perks associated with teachers like pensions/annual leave/job security?

And the teachers go striking with all they have.

Their arrogance and defensive attitude is quite disgraceful. They quite clearly live in a bubble and feel entitled to perks they would never get in any other career path.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2016, 02:43:33 PM
This is nonsense or a wind up!!! We could look at all jobs and make an argument that it's easy and has  great perks with them... banking, gift! Accounts, gift ! Tradesmen, easy job! Sales, even easier , nursing really easy and policeman proper gift of job!

Everybody chooses a job and they run with it, saying someone gets better perks than someone else is something you hear in the play yard..

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 29, 2016, 03:13:23 PM
I'm enjoying how much it winds Bomber up. I'll be thinking of you on my week off  8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bamboo on October 29, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
A sparky, or any tradesman, doing a 60hr week ( as it's being claimed on here ) can be broken down into 10hrs proper graft, 40hrs arsing about on gaa board, Facebook etc while ripping people off with ludicrous quotes and 10hrs avoiding the tax-man or people from programmes such as rogue traders.

Or is that tarring them all with the same brush? Wouldn't want to be doing that now would we?

Serious amount of jealousy and bitterness from a few on here towards teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 29, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 29, 2016, 03:13:23 PM
I'm enjoying how much it winds Bomber up. I'll be thinking of you on my week off  8)
I'm enjoying how much it winds bamboo up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on October 29, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
Quote from: bamboo on October 29, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
A sparky, or any tradesman, doing a 60hr week ( as it's being claimed on here ) can be broken down into 10hrs proper graft, 40hrs arsing about on gaa board, Facebook etc while ripping people off with ludicrous quotes and 10hrs avoiding the tax-man or people from programmes such as rogue traders.

Or is that tarring them all with the same brush? Wouldn't want to be doing that now would we?
That's pretty accurate to be fair.  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 29, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
To be fair I had a stressful week off there.

Back in on Monday however, mind you it is an inset day with no kids. 😉😉😉😉
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 29, 2016, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on October 29, 2016, 04:06:22 PM
To be fair I had a stressful week off there.

Back in on Monday however, mind you it is an inset day with no kids. 😉😉😉😉

9 to 3?? Joke of a job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ApresMatch on October 29, 2016, 07:47:27 PM
Had parent meetings yesterday. One couple who came in were both teachers themselves. Two fkn eijits spent the whole time trying to catch me out with their 'knowledge'; werent interested in hearing about Wee Johnny!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
If any teacher is working more than 9-3 then they're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 29, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
If any teacher is working more than 9-3 then they're doing it wrong.

Yeah, cause all schools run on a 9-3 day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 29, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2016, 11:05:10 PM
If any teacher is working more than 9-3 then they're doing it wrong.

Yeah, cause all schools run on a 9-3 day

Ok. 8.45-3.30.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
the whole point about 'work' or 'a job' is that if you do it for someone else its human nature to do as little as possible.

if you are self employed or a shareholder in the company you work then obviously you will work harder to produce better results.

they are overpaid imo

does anyone know any teachers who do part time work in the off season? no me neither  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
the whole point about 'work' or 'a job' is that if you do it for someone else its human nature to do as little as possible.

if you are self employed or a shareholder in the company you work then obviously you will work harder to produce better results.

they are overpaid imo

does anyone know any teachers who do part time work in the off season? no me neither  ;)

I do. When I was a teacher I worked in a bar over the holidays. I know some others who do work on the side also
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on October 30, 2016, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 12:50:43 AM
the whole point about 'work' or 'a job' is that if you do it for someone else its human nature to do as little as possible.

if you are self employed or a shareholder in the company you work then obviously you will work harder to produce better results.

they are overpaid imo

does anyone know any teachers who do part time work in the off season? no me neither  ;)

I do. When I was a teacher I worked in a bar over the holidays. I know some others who do work on the side also

Subs probably do as they don't get paid in holiday time
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else

Many jobs don't have the amount of out of hours work that teachers have. Your reply shows a lack of understanding of the job teachers have to do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else

I am over it and I do something else... there seems to be a lot of jealousy towards the teaching vocation!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 30, 2016, 06:46:31 PM
Teachers are a pack of overpaid moaners.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else

Many jobs don't have the amount of out of hours work that teachers have. Your reply shows a lack of understanding of the job teachers have to do

the 'extra work' is to make up for 3 months holidays and a cushy 9-3 number. i understand completely  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else

Many jobs don't have the amount of out of hours work that teachers have. Your reply shows a lack of understanding of the job teachers have to do

the 'extra work' is to make up for 3 months holidays and a cushy 9-3 number. i understand completely  ;)

Teachers are contracted to work for a number of hours per year. That's what they get paid for and if any teacher volunteers to work over that time , well that is up to them.

There is nowhere in their contract where they are given 'extra work' to make up for 3 months holidays. Only a twit would believe that. And only a twit would believe that it's a 9-3 'cushy' number.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 31, 2016, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 30, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on October 30, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 30, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I definitely don't get paid enough.
;D said every person ever! There appears to be a pay inequality in (secondary) teaching depending on the subject you teach. English homework and similar are going to be essay laden so there would be a serious marking burden in the evening, whereas there must be handier numbers like maths and PE, yet the teachers are paid the same.
Wife is maths teacher, works every night,  marking and setting exams.  Also currently doing a course at Strandmillis for further maths (something that she already has a degree in) so that they tick certain boxes come inspection!

teacher in work shocker  ::)

get over it, thats the job!

if you dont like it do something else

Many jobs don't have the amount of out of hours work that teachers have. Your reply shows a lack of understanding of the job teachers have to do

the 'extra work' is to make up for 3 months holidays and a cushy 9-3 number. i understand completely  ;)

Teachers are contracted to work for a number of hours per year. That's what they get paid for and if any teacher volunteers to work over that time , well that is up to them.

There is nowhere in their contract where they are given 'extra work' to make up for 3 months holidays. Only a twit would believe that. And only a twit would believe that it's a 9-3 'cushy' number.

I dont know if that person actually believes it makes up for the holidays. That said, many teachers spend their holidays doing the work whcih the "cushy 9-32 timing simpley does not allow for. Too many people on here have no understanding whatsoever of what the job of a teacher entails
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on October 31, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
If he didn't believe it let him say so!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: blast05 on October 31, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
Quote
Too many people on here have no understanding whatsoever of what the job of a teacher entails

And equally too many teachers don't understand what life is like on the other side of the fence either.

Everybody thinks they have it tough. I have found myself in roles (IT sector) where I am working 60 hour weeks and travelling abroad every 2nd week (travel time being additional) but just get on with it and get the job done. On other occasions I have found myself for brief periods with a fraction of the responsibility but yet I still found myself out of habit working 60 hours ..... I was putting far greater detail and analysis into tasks that didn't need it. I don't anymore when in those quite periods ... I've learned.
A huge amount of people find themselves in the latter situation all the time (putting in unnecessary effort) because they think that's why is expected and that is what is needed to help them get a pay rise or promotion and they don't realise they could have the same affect with far less effort. It's the same with teachers ......  some work daft hours cos they aren't smart enough to know any difference. Others have the job done when they leave the school at 4pm
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 31, 2016, 12:56:46 PM
I worked at other stuff before teaching

I don't complain about the job
It has its perks and also periods of heavy workload and stress

I doubt there is a job out there that doesn't
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on October 31, 2016, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 31, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
Quote
Too many people on here have no understanding whatsoever of what the job of a teacher entails

And equally too many teachers don't understand what life is like on the other side of the fence either.



True but I dont see too many teachers giving out about it.
FWIW I taught for 11 years and left at the end of the last academic year. My decision wasnt to do with workload just happiness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 31, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
Quote
Too many people on here have no understanding whatsoever of what the job of a teacher entails

And equally too many teachers don't understand what life is like on the other side of the fence either.

Everybody thinks they have it tough. I have found myself in roles (IT sector) where I am working 60 hour weeks and travelling abroad every 2nd week (travel time being additional) but just get on with it and get the job done. On other occasions I have found myself for brief periods with a fraction of the responsibility but yet I still found myself out of habit working 60 hours ..... I was putting far greater detail and analysis into tasks that didn't need it. I don't anymore when in those quite periods ... I've learned.
A huge amount of people find themselves in the latter situation all the time (putting in unnecessary effort) because they think that's why is expected and that is what is needed to help them get a pay rise or promotion and they don't realise they could have the same affect with far less effort. It's the same with teachers ......  some work daft hours cos they aren't smart enough to know any difference. Others have the job done when they leave the school at 4pm
Good post. I firmly believe my missus could do less without any real impact on results (she's a teacher). But it's not in her nature so she feels it's her duty to spend hours on fancy power-points, resources etc. that I guarantee the kids couldn't give a shit about. I would suspect it is more for the benefit of an inspector than anyone else. I know another fella who wouldn't put a fraction of the effort in but he doesn't seem to do any worse and when it comes to inspection I would say he just goes flat out on making up resources.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 31, 2016, 04:44:11 PM
As I said before, the workload has a lot to do with the school you're in. Some schools are more relaxed than others and others are working to keep inspectors happy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
I've the inspectors in in a few weeks. Any tips for attire? Was thinking of a gown and a mortar board.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2016, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
I've the inspectors in in a few weeks. Any tips for attire? Was thinking of a gown and a mortar board.

Should have plenty to check!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 31, 2016, 06:27:54 PM
I hope you've been evaluating all those lessons plans and showing that you are a reflective teacher.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on October 31, 2016, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
I've the inspectors in in a few weeks. Any tips for attire? Was thinking of a gown and a mortar board.

Wear a balaclava and have plenty of pepper spray handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on October 31, 2016, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
I've the inspectors in in a few weeks. Any tips for attire? Was thinking of a gown and a mortar board.

Definitely keep the gown but the mortar board is just asking for trouble, it will be hard to keep it on your head as you perform your song and dance act when the inspectors come in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Saffron Sam, God rest his cyber soul, is still using chalk. He's bucked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on October 31, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Saffron Sam, God rest his cyber soul, is still using chalk. He's bucked.

Chalk has the advantage of being quite easy to throw at any problem pupil while a dry marker is useless, so his traditional approach may well impress the inspectors.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 31, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Saffron Sam, God rest his cyber soul, is still using chalk. He's bucked.

Chalk has the advantage of being quite easy to throw at any problem pupil while a dry marker is useless, so his traditional approach may well impress the inspectors.
The duster carries a bit more weight.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 31, 2016, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 31, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Saffron Sam, God rest his cyber soul, is still using chalk. He's bucked.

Chalk has the advantage of being quite easy to throw at any problem pupil while a dry marker is useless, so his traditional approach may well impress the inspectors.
The duster carries a bit more weight.

Duster not as heavy as before with the whiteboards in use!!

As you throw the duster get them to spell it before it hits them (covers literacy)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 01, 2016, 04:18:41 AM
Magnetic dusters are also good

Bit of weight to them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on November 01, 2016, 07:40:34 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: blast05 on October 31, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
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Too many people on here have no understanding whatsoever of what the job of a teacher entails

And equally too many teachers don't understand what life is like on the other side of the fence either.

Everybody thinks they have it tough. I have found myself in roles (IT sector) where I am working 60 hour weeks and travelling abroad every 2nd week (travel time being additional) but just get on with it and get the job done. On other occasions I have found myself for brief periods with a fraction of the responsibility but yet I still found myself out of habit working 60 hours ..... I was putting far greater detail and analysis into tasks that didn't need it. I don't anymore when in those quite periods ... I've learned.
A huge amount of people find themselves in the latter situation all the time (putting in unnecessary effort) because they think that's why is expected and that is what is needed to help them get a pay rise or promotion and they don't realise they could have the same affect with far less effort. It's the same with teachers ......  some work daft hours cos they aren't smart enough to know any difference. Others have the job done when they leave the school at 4pm
Good post. I firmly believe my missus could do less without any real impact on results (she's a teacher). But it's not in her nature so she feels it's her duty to spend hours on fancy power-points, resources etc. that I guarantee the kids couldn't give a shit about. I would suspect it is more for the benefit of an inspector than anyone else. I know another fella who wouldn't put a fraction of the effort in but he doesn't seem to do any worse and when it comes to inspection I would say he just goes flat out on making up resources.

Your Mrs would rather spend hours doing unpaid work that spend it with you ? I can see why!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on November 01, 2016, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 31, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on October 31, 2016, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 31, 2016, 07:11:47 PM
Saffron Sam, God rest his cyber soul, is still using chalk. He's bucked.

Chalk has the advantage of being quite easy to throw at any problem pupil while a dry marker is useless, so his traditional approach may well impress the inspectors.
The duster carries a bit more weight.

But, unlike chalk, it leaves a mark! Best to throw the duster at the wall for effect.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on November 09, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Any word on whether yesterday's pickets outside schools across the North have brought Peter Weir back to the negotiating table?





Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 09, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Any word on whether yesterday's pickets outside schools across the North have brought Peter Weir back to the negotiating table?
LOL. Place was crippled.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2016, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 09, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Any word on whether yesterday's pickets outside schools across the North have brought Peter Weir back to the negotiating table?
LOL. Place was crippled.

Did they strike the normal working day they have, 6:30am to 6pm, as they were telling us a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on November 09, 2016, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2016, 10:26:03 PM

Did they strike the normal working day they have, 6:30am to 6pm, as they were telling us a few weeks ago?

No, the secondary teachers went out to picket during their lunch breaks and the primary teachers went out when they handed the children over to their parents at finish of their day. No strike, no loss of money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2016, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 09, 2016, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2016, 10:26:03 PM

Did they strike the normal working day they have, 6:30am to 6pm, as they were telling us a few weeks ago?

No, the secondary teachers went out to picket during their lunch breaks and the primary teachers went out when they handed the children over to their parents at finish of their day. No strike, no loss of money.
No point.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
Interesting to see how many teachers have not turned up for work today given that the ballot was taken by the union in 2011 for this strike action on the basis of opposition to pension changes.  The turnout for the ballot was quite low. Loss of a day's pay in the mouth of Christmas won't be popular when other teachers will remain in school and have little affect on fully closing schools.  Few if any primary schools will be affected and so child care for parent will be much less of an issue for older children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
The big problem will be for most schools this is when they are doing there end of term exams, GCSE and A level students are preparing for exams, teachers are doing their reports or getting ready for inspectors and having a day off striking will only put teachers a day behind an already hectic schedule
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on November 30, 2016, 01:04:38 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
Interesting to see how many teachers have not turned up for work today given that the ballot was taken by the union in 2011 for this strike action on the basis of opposition to pension changes.  The turnout for the ballot was quite low. Loss of a day's pay in the mouth of Christmas won't be popular when other teachers will remain in school and have little affect on fully closing schools.  Few if any primary schools will be affected and so child care for parent will be much less of an issue for older children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324

Is that correct? They went on strike today on notice served as a result of a ballot from 2011???

Any idea what particular legislation provides protection for workers involved in a strike in NI?

Edit: I found this....

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action)

...The trade union can only call on members to take industrial action where the majority of those who voted, voted 'yes' to taking action. If there is majority support, the action must begin within four weeks of the ballot or eight if it's agreed between union and employer....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on November 30, 2016, 01:04:56 PM
I know of one grammar school where the principal said to the teachers "Come and tell me if you will be working to rule - don't worry, there will be no repercussions"

After a parents teacher meeting the principal sent a personal thank you letter to the handful of teachers that actually attended the meeting.

No repercussions my arse.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 30, 2016, 01:04:38 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
Interesting to see how many teachers have not turned up for work today given that the ballot was taken by the union in 2011 for this strike action on the basis of opposition to pension changes.  The turnout for the ballot was quite low. Loss of a day's pay in the mouth of Christmas won't be popular when other teachers will remain in school and have little affect on fully closing schools.  Few if any primary schools will be affected and so child care for parent will be much less of an issue for older children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324)

Is that correct? They went on strike today on notice served as a result of a ballot from 2011???

Any idea what particular legislation provides protection for workers involved in a strike in NI?

Edit: I found this....

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action)

...The trade union can only call on members to take industrial action where the majority of those who voted, voted 'yes' to taking action. If there is majority support, the action must begin within four weeks of the ballot or eight if it's agreed between union and employer....


https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-industrial-action-faqs.html (https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-industrial-action-faqs.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: muppet on November 30, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on November 30, 2016, 01:04:38 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on November 30, 2016, 12:56:33 PM
Interesting to see how many teachers have not turned up for work today given that the ballot was taken by the union in 2011 for this strike action on the basis of opposition to pension changes.  The turnout for the ballot was quite low. Loss of a day's pay in the mouth of Christmas won't be popular when other teachers will remain in school and have little affect on fully closing schools.  Few if any primary schools will be affected and so child care for parent will be much less of an issue for older children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38150324)

Is that correct? They went on strike today on notice served as a result of a ballot from 2011???

Any idea what particular legislation provides protection for workers involved in a strike in NI?

Edit: I found this....

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/industrial-action)

...The trade union can only call on members to take industrial action where the majority of those who voted, voted 'yes' to taking action. If there is majority support, the action must begin within four weeks of the ballot or eight if it's agreed between union and employer....


https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-industrial-action-faqs.html (https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-industrial-action-faqs.html)

...The NASUWT's plans for strike action are entirely lawful and members participating in the NASUWT industrial action will continue to be protected in law by the existing 'YES' vote from the ballot of all members conducted in 2011...

Seems to totally contradict the other info. Surely a Trade Union would be on top of this though? If they were wrong it means anyone who went on strike can be personally sued by costs incurred. (E.G. parents could sue a teacher for loss of earning or childcare costs for the say).

If I were in that union I would want to see legal advice on the matter, or at least a lawyer stand over it in writing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Back on Friday!  >:(
Only a training day though, shouldn't be too bad!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Avondhu star on January 04, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Back on Friday!  >:(
Only a training day though, shouldn't be too bad!
Apart from the slagging about the state of you and the fat substitute teacher at the Christmas party!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on January 04, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Back on Friday!  >:(
Only a training day though, shouldn't be too bad!
Apart from the slagging about the state of you and the fat substitute teacher at the Christmas party!

:o Sub teachers didn't attend thankfully!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: illdecide on January 04, 2017, 12:41:18 PM
Jim you work hard and are entitled to your break when you get them, don't listen to all those that criticise you. They don't realise the hard work you and all teachers do...the long hours, the working at night, the worrying for kids, the stress from the abuse, looking at wildebeest mothers in the mornings and her that ugly with a smokey breath you wouldn't ride her into battle...

You're doing a great job...Well done!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2017, 10:11:26 AM
Cheers illdecide. I'll throw that money around to you later  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 18, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
They certainly getting it handy this morning as the INTO members are out on a half day strike.  Taking a lie in until turning up to school at 12-30 pm when they will have lunch. 

Most schools with INTO members are asking parents not to send children to school until 12-30 pm so not much will be happening in schools this afternoon after parents have arranged child care for the day.

Don't think Peter Weir will be too concerned about this action, not as if it will cause the DUP to lose any votes in the election.  He has already paid the meagre pay rise for this school year and will soon be away from his desk for quite a while.  Don't think the public are too interested in the lack of a pay rise for teachers in 2015-16 as an election issue given the rage against politicians at present.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 18, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Sure it's a good lie in if anything
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 18, 2017, 11:19:08 AM
A fairly expensive one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 18, 2017, 03:08:22 PM
TYP what would you advice teachers to do ?
Remain on action short of strike action and non cooperation with the inspectorate ?
Or just abandon the whole thing all together and roll over ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 19, 2017, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 18, 2017, 03:08:22 PM
TYP what would you advice teachers to do ?
Remain on action short of strike action and non cooperation with the inspectorate ?
Or just abandon the whole thing all together and roll over ?

I think there is no hope of retrieving the pay increase for 2015-16 and it is pointless having any further strike action.  The funds allocated to the pay increase were allocated to give the automatic increments for 15-16 and 16-17 and the 1% increase for all in 2016-17. 

Just look at the last set of strikes and industrial action taken against the new pension scheme.  Nothing was achieved and teachers were moved to an average salary scheme which none of them will realise how much they have lost until they reach the new retirement ages that have been extended by up to 7 years.  Even this doesn't happen in the private sector where new schemes apply only to new entrants. Can you imagine a school with significant numbers of teachers aged between 60 to 67?  The unions got no concessions and teachers were the losers at a time when they are most vulnerable in older age and this has been hidden by the long term of pensions.  The amount paid by teachers to their pensions has been drastically increased in the last four years, my own payments doubled in the last three years of working giving a substantial decrease in pay.

95% of teachers will work for 7 more years to get a pension worse than those who have gone ahead of them having worked much fewer years, look at those leaving now at 55 on a scheme to deal with over production of teachers.

Last April all teachers were contracted in to the National Insurance scheme and took a pay cut to pay addition NI which is supposed to go towards their old age pension paid by the government.  This means that the teachers' pension will be further decreased on retirement and it will be supplemented by the old age pension paid at 67, 68 or 69 and determined by central government.  This puts a further element of a teacher's pension at the mercy of central government and the pension it pays to those over the national retirement age which will gradually move to 70.  What did the unions do about this?  How well did unions inform members of this change?

It is best to look to the future and try for the best deal over the next ten years.

The situation needs a more considered approach.  Parity with England & Wales has already been forfeited so this should be fully abandoned with a new model being considered.  Offer this to the employers on the basis of maintaining pay deals over the next two years which include automatic incremental progression and then movement to a new regime.

The present situation of paying increments over 9 years of a 45 year teaching career is stupid.  Paying an increment of £2300 per year for six years and about £1500 per year is a nonsense for teachers.  Should a new teacher be given a 10-12% pay rise each year for 6 years while older more experienced colleagues hope for inflationary rises?

There needs to be some form of financial incentive for teachers across a possible 45 year career rather than flat-lining after 9 years.  Teaching allowances are too bunched around 5 levels, they need to be reduced to bring in more teachers and create a more collegial approach which rewards those are hardworking and innovative, just like in GB.  Too many of these allowances are paid and held for up to 30 years which discourages others and they hand over responsibility to those being paid. 

The regime for teacher employment in Scotland should be examined to see if it can deliver a better long term deal for children and teachers.  In return, the GTC should be given the teeth that the similar bodies have in England, Wales and Scotland and be told to use them in a similar manner.  This will take disciplinary matters out of schools and this independent body can make teaching a profession that is properly regularised for children, parents and teachers.  In return, good salaries with progression over a career can be provided. 
Any new employment regime would have to reflect the changes that have occurred in life for everyone.  Older children are more than fit for longer than a 6 hour day, the holidays no longer need to follow the agricultural calendar to have children available for help and a full service provision for parents is required for all working parents. Teachers should have the option of flexible working in return for extending the opening hours of schools for children and parents.

Unfortunately, none of this will happen because teacher unions lack real imagination and are bogged down in the past, teachers tend to take a shorter term view despite the long careers ahead of them and the employers are forced to live from year to year by lack of ambition and budgeting by government.

Ah well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 31, 2017, 10:43:11 AM
Quite a few getting it handy today as the members of the NASUWT who work at schools across Derry, Strabane, Mid Ulster, Fermanagh and Omagh take part in strike action today.  Unlike their colleagues in INTO the NASUWT teachers are willing to lose a whole day's pay for their cause.

NASUWT teachers in N.Ireland work mainly in secondary schools so they will be most affected.  Don't know how many schools will be closed by the action but certainly it will curtail teaching in a fair number of schools across the West.

Meanwhile the decision to not cooperate with inspections by ETI being carried out by UTU, INTO and ATL members has caused their colleagues in NASUWT to come under the microscope in schools being inspected. As a result, the NASUWT has decided to join non-cooperation with ETI.

There are two unions for headteachers, NAHT and ASCL, and the NAHT has asked that ETI halt inspections during the industrial action because the union action of non-cooperation by teachers is affecting inspections and the resultant reports on their schools.  The ETI have refused to halt their programme of inspections.

From BBC:

That has led to the union which represents most principals and vice-principals - the National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT) - to express concerns over "the integrity of the inspection process".
In written advice issued to their members, the NAHT said: "Incomplete inspections do not lead to accurate evaluations.
"Such inaccuracies ultimately serve to devalue the safety of children."
The NAHT is recommending that schools about to be inspected write to the ETI asking them "to defer the inspection until the industrial action has ceased".
"It will quite clearly be impossible for you to carry out an effective inspection at this time," the NAHT has advised the ETI.
The NAHT has written to the ETI chief inspector Noelle Buick to express their concern that inspections will be "based on incomplete evidence".
However, the ETI said that "inspections should go ahead in the best interests of the children and young people".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 11:12:56 AM
Wife's school has inspection coming up soon and it seems that they are not going to allow the inspectors into their classrooms to observe the lessons... The inspectors will continue to do other stuff though...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: No wides on January 31, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 11:12:56 AM
Wife's school has inspection coming up soon and it seems that they are not going to allow the inspectors into their classrooms to observe the lessons... The inspectors will continue to do other stuff though...

Learned from your mistakes, if you hadn't your work observed you mightn't have been made redundant so many times.  :o
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 31, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 11:12:56 AM
Wife's school has inspection coming up soon and it seems that they are not going to allow the inspectors into their classrooms to observe the lessons... The inspectors will continue to do other stuff though...

Not sure about not allowing them into the classrooms.  The instruction to teachers from INTO is:

Members are directed NOT to:

1. hand over any documentation to the ETI, e.g. school development and class planners, schemes, action plans, policies, pupils' books, assessments, data, etc;
2. discuss any issues relating to the school/teachers/pupils/areas of responsibility or education in general;
teach in front of ETI;
3. complete teacher questionnaires;
4. distribute parent questionnaires;

If an inspector enters your classroom you should:

1. Treat the inspector in a professional and courteous manner;
2. You will cease to teach, but will continue to supervise the children as normal;
3. Inform the inspector that you are an INTO member and in line with INTO industrial action you have withdrawn your co-operation with the ETI;

Below is a statement that should be presented to any visiting inspector:

"I am a member of the INTO, and following a ballot for legitimate industrial action, I have been instructed by my Union that I am not to co-operate with ETI at present. I have been directed to cease teaching in your presence; however, I will continue to supervise the children as normal"
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An inspector can be in the room for up to 45 minutes and is free to inspect the work in any books being used by the children or displayed on the walls.  Be interesting to see how children are supervised during this time as unless they have been given work to do they will be hard to handle and the teacher could be made to look ineffective in supervising them. 

The Chief Inspector has shown herself to be a fairly stubborn person and has radically shaken the inspectorate out of its lethargy that was present in a fairly hand job for many years with inspections interlaced with weeks to be used at an inspectors discretion on surveys or visits.  Nowadays the inspectors are in schools most of their time and the senior managers must be out on inspection.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 31, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
TYP, do you work for ETI?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 12:37:03 PM
Quote from: Take Your Points on January 31, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 11:12:56 AM
Wife's school has inspection coming up soon and it seems that they are not going to allow the inspectors into their classrooms to observe the lessons... The inspectors will continue to do other stuff though...

Not sure about not allowing them into the classrooms.  The instruction to teachers from INTO is:

Members are directed NOT to:

1. hand over any documentation to the ETI, e.g. school development and class planners, schemes, action plans, policies, pupils' books, assessments, data, etc;
2. discuss any issues relating to the school/teachers/pupils/areas of responsibility or education in general;
teach in front of ETI;
3. complete teacher questionnaires;
4. distribute parent questionnaires;

If an inspector enters your classroom you should:

1. Treat the inspector in a professional and courteous manner;
2. You will cease to teach, but will continue to supervise the children as normal;
3. Inform the inspector that you are an INTO member and in line with INTO industrial action you have withdrawn your co-operation with the ETI;

Below is a statement that should be presented to any visiting inspector:

"I am a member of the INTO, and following a ballot for legitimate industrial action, I have been instructed by my Union that I am not to co-operate with ETI at present. I have been directed to cease teaching in your presence; however, I will continue to supervise the children as normal"
[/b]

An inspector can be in the room for up to 45 minutes and is free to inspect the work in any books being used by the children or displayed on the walls.  Be interesting to see how children are supervised during this time as unless they have been given work to do they will be hard to handle and the teacher could be made to look ineffective in supervising them. 

The Chief Inspector has shown herself to be a fairly stubborn person and has radically shaken the inspectorate out of its lethargy that was present in a fairly hand job for many years with inspections interlaced with weeks to be used at an inspectors discretion on surveys or visits.  Nowadays the inspectors are in schools most of their time and the senior managers must be out on inspection.

Well same difference, no lesson will take place to no lesson can be observed, they can track a student and do that but as for the teacher being inspected it wont happen
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 31, 2017, 01:35:41 PM
If the ETI are prevented from performing a proper assessment of the school they should assume the worst possible case and publicly issue the school with the lowest possible inspection outcome.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 31, 2017, 01:35:41 PM
If the ETI are prevented from performing a proper assessment of the school they should assume the worst possible case and publicly issue the school with the lowest possible inspection outcome.

Well the only thing they aint seeing is a lesson, they are interested in results stats student progression, they'll carry out student interviews also, its only one area of a dozen other things... they can only mark them down on that surely?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 31, 2017, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 31, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
TYP, do you work for ETI?

No.  My days at the chalkface have ended and I am able to sit back and enjoy the goings on from a distance.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on January 31, 2017, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 31, 2017, 01:35:41 PM
If the ETI are prevented from performing a proper assessment of the school they should assume the worst possible case and publicly issue the school with the lowest possible inspection outcome.

Well the only thing they aint seeing is a lesson, they are interested in results stats student progression, they'll carry out student interviews also, its only one area of a dozen other things... they can only mark them down on that surely?

ETI will spend even more time going through the paperwork in primary schools and will be able to garner enough information to issue a report with the caveat that they could not observe all of the teaching required.  However, as in previous action, they will return to each school to do their observations and take a second shot.  No one escapes.

In secondary schools there is a mountain of data that can be extracted from C2K system and it is then compared to the benchmarks.  From this data ETI will draw a range of conclusions and then return to the school to complete the process through observation.

Before any inspection, the reporting inspector will have gathered information from a range of sources including questionnaires from staff and parents that allow the slant of the inspection to be decided.  The inspection team will be given target areas to go for and on the basis of their findings from interviewing teachers, post-holders, ancillary staff, parents and pupils they will draw their conclusions. All of this is usually carried out quickly by the team leader before the classroom observations begin. Classroom observations give a feel for the overall situation and are there to provide on the spot data that inspectors use during the inspection.  Inspectors report back to the headteacher if they find issues with the quality of the teaching, they never mention the name of the teacher and never give anything in writing just an oral report which is not worth the paper it is written on.  They will ask the headteacher to see if they know about the problem and then ask what has been done to sort it out prior to the inspection.  Teachers are never named in the final report and even to management and governors regardless of how poor their teaching is.  So, observation of classes is a jumping off point for inspectors to tackle management at all levels. Only one person is ever named in the report, i.e. the headteacher.  When the inspectors return for a follow up they go directly to the areas of concern with the teaching to see what has been done by management who have had their hands tied by not having a written assessment of any teacher from the inspectors.  Doesn't happen in any other area with proper appraisal built in but is ok for education.

Any ETI team leaving a school inspection disrupted by industrial action will quietly smile and think tiocfaidh ar la and unlike a normal inspection will have plenty of time to consider the data gathered before coming back to judge the teaching standards and complete a final report.  Industrial action against ETI is nonsense for teachers and schools as it will come back to bite them in the long run.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2017, 04:47:32 PM
totally agree, id be all for getting it done dusted and moved on, take on board the report and implement findings
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 31, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
I've had two inspections in two different schools in the past three years. I've found them to be a complete load of balls. Both inspections have went well in terms of results and how my own personal lessons went. But I found it laughable at times. Some of the inspectors demands and also how both schools put on a 'marvellous' and unrealistic show for the ETI. All singing and all dancing!

Both inspections had ex secondary school teachers and principals and only one primary school trained teacher. I remember the foundation stage teachers sitting in the staff room laughing about some of the things the inspector was suggesting to them. No offence to secondary school teachers, but they wouldn't be the best people to observe a teacher teaching 5/6 year old children during a phonics lesson or free play lesson. I found a lot of them to be completely out of touch with the day to day running of a school/classroom. And yes they're not allowed to say if someone had a bad lesson, but it was very easy to work it out and they basically spelled it out to some senior management. Thankfully we didn't have any disastrous lessons.

We were complimented in the report for something. The truth was it was something that the school threw together once they heard they were getting inspected. The whole experience was very fake. They compiled a report from our data but didn't seem to take into consideration the demographics and home lives of some of our children. A lot of our children come from the most horrible backgrounds and are lucky to be coming into school at all, never mind meeting their expected PIE and PIM scores.

The box ticking and paper work involved in teaching now is ridiculous and it is being led from ETI and scaring principals into forcing it onto their staff. A lot of it seems to be coming from England. Not the best example to be following in my opinion. I have a lot of friends who are teachers in England. They're regularly landing into school at 7am and not leaving until 6.00/6.30 at night and then work to do at nights. f**k that. No wonder they're leaving the profession over there. I wouldn't mind as much if all the paper work was actually helping children but very little of it makes one bit of difference to their learning.  It just leads to increased workload and staff morale getting worse. I am all for monitoring and evaluation of teachers and schools but it can surely be done in a better and less stressful way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2017, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 31, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
I've had two inspections in two different schools in the past three years. I've found them to be a complete load of balls. Both inspections have went well in terms of results and how my own personal lessons went. But I found it laughable at times. Some of the inspectors demands and also how both schools put on a 'marvellous' and unrealistic show for the ETI. All singing and all dancing!

Both inspections had ex secondary school teachers and principals and only one primary school trained teacher. I remember the foundation stage teachers sitting in the staff room laughing about some of the things the inspector was suggesting to them. No offence to secondary school teachers, but they wouldn't be the best people to observe a teacher teaching 5/6 year old children during a phonics lesson or free play lesson. I found a lot of them to be completely out of touch with the day to day running of a school/classroom. And yes they're not allowed to say if someone had a bad lesson, but it was very easy to work it out and they basically spelled it out to some senior management. Thankfully we didn't have any disastrous lessons.

We were complimented in the report for something. The truth was it was something that the school threw together once they heard they were getting inspected. The whole experience was very fake. They compiled a report from our data but didn't seem to take into consideration the demographics and home lives of some of our children. A lot of our children come from the most horrible backgrounds and are lucky to be coming into school at all, never mind meeting their expected PIE and PIM scores.

The box ticking and paper work involved in teaching now is ridiculous and it is being led from ETI and scaring principals into forcing it onto their staff. A lot of it seems to be coming from England. Not the best example to be following in my opinion. I have a lot of friends who are teachers in England. They're regularly landing into school at 7am and not leaving until 6.00/6.30 at night and then work to do at nights. f**k that. No wonder they're leaving the profession over there. I wouldn't mind as much if all the paper work was actually helping children but very little of it makes one bit of difference to their learning.  It just leads to increased workload and staff morale getting worse. I am all for monitoring and evaluation of teachers and schools but it can surely be done in a better and less stressful way.

Agree with every sentiment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on March 08, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
Major blow to 240 teachers!

A scheme to allow 120 teachers over 55 to retire without any reduction of their pensions and to employ 120 teachers in their place has been suspended after the 120 retiring teachers had been informed that they could leave.  Not sure if any teachers had already left or new teachers employed.

A key element of the scheme was that the new teacher had to be qualified no earlier than 2012 in order to ensure that a cost saving could be realised to pay towards the cost of the scheme.  The cost would be huge as normally pensions are actuarially reduced by 5% per year for each year a teacher retires before 60, potentially reducing the teachers pension by 25% to take account of them not contributing until they were 60 and then drawing their pension for an additional 5 years before retirement age.

It appears that a teacher who was excluded from being employed in the scheme because they were qualified before 2012 has sought a judicial review of the scheme criteria for employment.  The DE civil servants have decided in the absence of a minister to halt the whole scheme while this legal situation is resolved.  No hope of a minister in place in the foreseeable future to make a decision on the scheme.

Also 120 teachers were counting on permanent jobs, young ones hoping to get mortgages and move on.  A disaster for them as the budgets in schools are about to crash down and major job losses just around the corner.  So, no hope of permanent employment.

Imagine having been given the OK to take early retirement on the full amount of the pension you had accrued (no actuarial reduction), planning for getting out the door and now being told that it was cancelled.  Oh dear, 120 teachers already mentally left the building are not going to be happy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39208077 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39208077)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DickyRock on March 08, 2017, 11:29:34 PM
Always thought the scheme was discriminatory. Not surprised that someone took a case
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on March 08, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
I'd say it would be only the 120 complete wastes of spaces that they would want to retire.
Rubbish teachers are letting there pupils down and leaving the dedicated teachers to carry the extra burden leaving them completely overworked. What incentive is there to be a diligent 55 year old teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on March 09, 2017, 12:26:06 AM
Quote from: Take Your Points on March 08, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
Major blow to 240 teachers!

A scheme to allow 120 teachers over 55 to retire without any reduction of their pensions and to employ 120 teachers in their place has been suspended after the 120 retiring teachers had been informed that they could leave.  Not sure if any teachers had already left or new teachers employed.

A key element of the scheme was that the new teacher had to be qualified no earlier than 2012 in order to ensure that a cost saving could be realised to pay towards the cost of the scheme.  The cost would be huge as normally pensions are actuarially reduced by 5% per year for each year a teacher retires before 60, potentially reducing the teachers pension by 25% to take account of them not contributing until they were 60 and then drawing their pension for an additional 5 years before retirement age.

It appears that a teacher who was excluded from being employed in the scheme because they were qualified before 2012 has sought a judicial review of the scheme criteria for employment.  The DE civil servants have decided in the absence of a minister to halt the whole scheme while this legal situation is resolved.  No hope of a minister in place in the foreseeable future to make a decision on the scheme.

Also 120 teachers were counting on permanent jobs, young ones hoping to get mortgages and move on.  A disaster for them as the budgets in schools are about to crash down and major job losses just around the corner.  So, no hope of permanent employment.

Imagine having been given the OK to take early retirement on the full amount of the pension you had accrued (no actuarial reduction), planning for getting out the door and now being told that it was cancelled.  Oh dear, 120 teachers already mentally left the building are not going to be happy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39208077 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39208077)

This sickens my hole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 09, 2017, 10:45:18 AM
In what way? I was earning more than my wife but couldn't get a mortgage because I didn't have a permanent job at the time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Take Your Points on March 09, 2017, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2017, 10:45:18 AM
In what way? I was earning more than my wife but couldn't get a mortgage because I didn't have a permanent job at the time.

There are many like you across the country due to temporary employment being used as a strategy by employers in a range of situations.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 07, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
12:00 today, out the gap...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: highorlow on April 07, 2017, 09:27:04 AM
Quote12:00 today, out the gap...

For 2 weeks...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Avondhu star on April 08, 2017, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: highorlow on April 07, 2017, 09:27:04 AM
Quote12:00 today, out the gap...

For 2 weeks...
Except for those doing the annual school trip (cheap wine trip) to France.
"Plenty room on the coach for a few more cases of Bordeaux Bridget"!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 28, 2017, 08:43:29 AM
Well teachers, this is what Cavanagh thinks about teaching as a career.  It is being stated by an accountant.  I wonder what his team mates think about this given how many are either teachers, trainee teachers or going into schools as full time paid coaches.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/its-something-that-frightens-me-sean-cavanagh-says-players-will-regret-sacrificing-careers-for-gaa-35661795.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/its-something-that-frightens-me-sean-cavanagh-says-players-will-regret-sacrificing-careers-for-gaa-35661795.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Teaching is a handy number shocker. Hardly news.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Teaching is a handy number shocker. Hardly news.

I take it your wife isnt reading that post?  ;D

Our club is full of teachers, cant remember a team that didnt have at least 2/3 teachers on each senior team, I'd imagine most clubs are like that but they dont do it because they play GAA....

A teacher can earn a hell of a lot more money if they left and got another job (non teaching)

But its the perks of summer hols, ability to be off when the kids are off, no real child care required once they are in primary school, a better pension than most and if you're half decent at your job its a job for life..... promotions within if you like a heavey workload and free ski trips  ;) Yes private sector jobs pay better, but a lot more uncertainity...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 01:25:33 PM
He says it is a worrying trend. I don't know why he'd be worried about it. If they decided to not work and deal drugs to have flexible hours then he'd have something to worry about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
I think its the lack of talent going into the private sector rather than what he thinks wasting their time and skills on teaching!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
I think its the lack of talent going into the private sector rather than what he thinks wasting their time and skills on teaching!
I've yet to meet a teacher that is a loss to the private sector  ;D  I hope my missus isn't a secret lurker on this board. Maybe she's The Stallion.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 28, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:35:22 PM
I think its the lack of talent going into the private sector rather than what he thinks wasting their time and skills on teaching!
I've yet to meet a teacher that is a loss to the private sector  ;D  I hope my missus isn't a secret lurker on this board. Maybe she's The Stallion.
Hope she's not a (night)mare anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Teaching is a handy number shocker. Hardly news.

I take it your wife isnt reading that post?  ;D

Our club is full of teachers, cant remember a team that didnt have at least 2/3 teachers on each senior team, I'd imagine most clubs are like that but they dont do it because they play GAA....

A teacher can earn a hell of a lot more money if they left and got another job (non teaching)

But its the perks of summer hols, ability to be off when the kids are off, no real child care required once they are in primary school, a better pension than most and if you're half decent at your job its a job for life..... promotions within if you like a heavey workload and free ski trips  ;) Yes private sector jobs pay better, but a lot more uncertainity...

What non teaching job could they get?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on April 28, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
Accountancy, scientific, recruitment, IT, carpentry etc... Depends on degree and level of experience.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 28, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Teaching is a handy number shocker. Hardly news.

I take it your wife isnt reading that post?  ;D

Our club is full of teachers, cant remember a team that didnt have at least 2/3 teachers on each senior team, I'd imagine most clubs are like that but they dont do it because they play GAA....

A teacher can earn a hell of a lot more money if they left and got another job (non teaching)

But its the perks of summer hols, ability to be off when the kids are off, no real child care required once they are in primary school, a better pension than most and if you're half decent at your job its a job for life..... promotions within if you like a heavey workload and free ski trips  ;) Yes private sector jobs pay better, but a lot more uncertainity...

What non teaching job could they get?

Wife started out as tax consultant went to teaching... degree in math
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 28, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
What non teaching job could they get?
You could be a travel blogger... You certainly like everyone on facebook to know you were in Vegas last week!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 28, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
I would have agreed with Sean 10 years ago.

Maybe the stats prove he's correct but today I see more women, less GAA male county players.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
What's the percentage of teachers that did the three years teacher training like st Mary's to ones that did a degree and year teacher training?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 28, 2017, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 28, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
I would have agreed with Sean 10 years ago.

Maybe the stats prove he's correct but today I see more women, less GAA male county players.

That's because they are all becoming primary school teachers, that all St Mary's and Stranmillis are turning out these days.  The PGCE courses require 2:1 and first class degrees which more men than women are achieving so the profession is now about 70% female and rising.  The number of men in St Mary's is quite small but enough GAA players to win the Sigerson.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on April 28, 2017, 11:08:17 PM
Isn't there also the risk if this is true that there will be some unsuited to teaching or stuck in a job they hate just for GAA purposes. That's a sad situation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 28, 2017, 11:33:16 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 28, 2017, 11:08:17 PM
Isn't there also the risk if this is true that there will be some unsuited to teaching or stuck in a job they hate just for GAA purposes. That's a sad situation.

Nail on head
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 28, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
Same as a lot really
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 28, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
What non teaching job could they get?
You could be a travel blogger... You certainly like everyone on facebook to know you were in Vegas last week!!
haha there was only a handful of posts. Snapchat was a lot worse to be fair  8)

Travel blogger would be a cracking job for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
I'm concerned with the amount of county players working for the Bank of Ireland. Disgraceful  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2017, 02:16:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
I'm concerned with the amount of county players working for the Bank of Ireland. Disgraceful  ::)

I'm concerned with teachers who don't know when to use "amount of" and when to use "number of"...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on April 29, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2017, 02:16:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
I'm concerned with the amount of county players working for the Bank of Ireland. Disgraceful  ::)

I'm concerned with teachers who don't know when to use "amount of" and when to use "number of"...

Yes, we could do with less fewer of those.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 29, 2017, 10:22:59 AM
Seriously though......you can nearly smell July.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 29, 2017, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 29, 2017, 10:22:59 AM
Seriously though......you can nearly smell July.

Not at that stage yet! Reports.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 29, 2017, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2017, 02:16:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 28, 2017, 11:43:00 PM
I'm concerned with the amount of county players working for the Bank of Ireland. Disgraceful  ::)

I'm concerned with teachers who don't know when to use "amount of" and when to use "number of"...
That's Monday morning's lesson sorted.  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 03, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
The case that put a major spoke in the wheel of the planned early retirement of 120 older teachers in their late 50s to be replaced by 120 younger unemployed teachers has begun today.  It's hard not to have sympathy for such an experienced and enthusiastic teacher who has not managed to gain full-time employment in teaching when it is planned that those with less experience and a lower salary cost will be given preference.



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/scheme-to-get-jobs-for-up-to-120-new-teachers-in-northern-ireland-discriminatory-court-hears-35677136.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/scheme-to-get-jobs-for-up-to-120-new-teachers-in-northern-ireland-discriminatory-court-hears-35677136.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on May 19, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
Teacher scheme legal challenge dismissed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39976668

Well that's the end of that!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on May 19, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
I could be home me yet!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 19, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
45 is a good age for culling teachers. By 40 you've seen it all. By 45 you're teaching lads born when you were well into your teaching career. You can't even talk to them about the 2002 World Cup or videos.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 20, 2017, 07:30:14 AM
How long to go?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2017, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 20, 2017, 07:30:14 AM
How long to go?
5 weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2017, 09:47:16 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 19, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
Teacher scheme legal challenge dismissed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39976668

Well that's the end of that!

240 very angry teachers after this. The 120 young teachers who won't get a permanent job for September and 120 over 50s who had mentally left the building and will have to wait for next year to escape.

I also feel sorry for the teacher who took the case, he is a great teacher, super enthusiastic, willing to take on any class and even as a sub engaging in after school sport. He would be a real asset to any school well ahead of some 22 to 26 year old with minimal experience and no track record. Hope good luck comes his way soon.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2017, 09:52:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
45 is a good age for culling teachers. By 40 you've seen it all. By 45 you're teaching lads born when you were well into your teaching career. You can't even talk to them about the 2002 World Cup or videos.

Yep. Young enough to get a job in the real world before becoming completely institutionalised. Although if the 45 year old has spent 40 years in educational institutions the reprogramming required would be extensive. After 54 years in these institutions and after a year of freedom, I still think I can hear the bell!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 20, 2017, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 19, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
Videos? AS students need lessons on using personal CD players ahead of their listening exams!

What's a personal CD player?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.

Tell us a bit more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.

Tell us a bit more.

Probably just me 'defending' the Irish language, but it's down to the fact that the children have dyslexia and therefore have the choice of opting out of doing Irish, which is fine by me. It just annoys me when I see the same ones doing French in secondary. Maybe the fact it is beginner level or something that they go on and do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 08:33:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.

Tell us a bit more.

Probably just me 'defending' the Irish language, but it's down to the fact that the children have dyslexia and therefore have the choice of opting out of doing Irish, which is fine by me. It just annoys me when I see the same ones doing French in secondary. Maybe the fact it is beginner level or something that they go on and do it.

It comes down to whether you believe that schools should become the guardians of the language or whether the schools reflect the needs and desires of the community that sustains it.  Personally, I believe in choice which is often the choice of the parents.  In a country where a child cannot enter the vast majority of primary schools if its parents did not have it baptised in the Catholic Church then I believe there needs to be a rethink on the role of the primary school within its community.  If a language cannot exist without being compulsory then there is a message that is not being listened to by those who believe they are in charge or the authority.

I know it is a diversion but an example of those in authority being apart from the community that sustains is the decision by the bishop to stop having funerals on Sundays.  It is time to realise that the community is the basis of much of life in Ireland and if it is ignored then it will start to break down.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-sunday-funerals-in-kerry-diocese-450178.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-sunday-funerals-in-kerry-diocese-450178.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on May 22, 2017, 02:39:06 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 08:33:25 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.

Tell us a bit more.

Probably just me 'defending' the Irish language, but it's down to the fact that the children have dyslexia and therefore have the choice of opting out of doing Irish, which is fine by me. It just annoys me when I see the same ones doing French in secondary. Maybe the fact it is beginner level or something that they go on and do it.

It comes down to whether you believe that schools should become the guardians of the language or whether the schools reflect the needs and desires of the community that sustains it.  Personally, I believe in choice which is often the choice of the parents.  In a country where a child cannot enter the vast majority of primary schools if its parents did not have it baptised in the Catholic Church then I believe there needs to be a rethink on the role of the primary school within its community.  If a language cannot exist without being compulsory then there is a message that is not being listened to by those who believe they are in charge or the authority.

I know it is a diversion but an example of those in authority being apart from the community that sustains is the decision by the bishop to stop having funerals on Sundays.  It is time to realise that the community is the basis of much of life in Ireland and if it is ignored then it will start to break down.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-sunday-funerals-in-kerry-diocese-450178.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-sunday-funerals-in-kerry-diocese-450178.html)

Are you sure about that?

I was talking to a VP of a Belfast Primary school about this and he says its not enforced at his school and its a CCMS school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
It only applies in the RoI.  The OP was referring to Irish being compulsory for children in primary schools in RoI.

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

In North, children of all faiths and none are equally admitted to Catholic schools.  Baptism certificates are required to participate in the sacraments, confession, communion and confirmation but children who are not catholics may be in the school if they wish.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 22, 2017, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
It only applies in the RoI.  The OP was referring to Irish being compulsory for children in primary schools in RoI.

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

In North, children of all faiths and none are equally admitted to Catholic schools.  Baptism certificates are required to participate in the sacraments, confession, communion and confirmation but children who are not catholics may be in the school if they wish.

So what happens if the school is oversubscribed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 06:23:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 22, 2017, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
It only applies in the RoI.  The OP was referring to Irish being compulsory for children in primary schools in RoI.

Sorry for the lack of clarity.

In North, children of all faiths and none are equally admitted to Catholic schools.  Baptism certificates are required to participate in the sacraments, confession, communion and confirmation but children who are not catholics may be in the school if they wish.

In North or South?

So what happens if the school is oversubscribed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 22, 2017, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 22, 2017, 06:23:29 PM
In North or South?

So what happens if the school is oversubscribed?


In the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 22, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
They use the published admissions criteria for selecting pupils for primary 1 year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on May 23, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 21, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
What's people's opinion on exemption from Irish in primary schools? Yet the same children go to secondary school and do French, German or whatever? Doesn't seem right to me.

Tell us a bit more.

Probably just me 'defending' the Irish language, but it's down to the fact that the children have dyslexia and therefore have the choice of opting out of doing Irish, which is fine by me. It just annoys me when I see the same ones doing French in secondary. Maybe the fact it is beginner level or something that they go on and do it.

The whole govt strategy (not even sure there is one) on irish language is pathetic. The Welsh have managed to revive their language to a decent level but ours is just dying slowly slowly
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 24, 2017, 12:20:51 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 22, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
They use the published admissions criteria for selecting pupils for primary 1 year.

These are published for each school by its Board of Governors and provided by the Education Authority.  There are various tie breakers for when a school is over subscribed but religion or faith are never included apart form parish being used when location is a tie breaker.

http://www.eani.org.uk/i-want-to/apply-for-a-school-place-or-transfer-between-schools/primary/ (http://www.eani.org.uk/i-want-to/apply-for-a-school-place-or-transfer-between-schools/primary/)

The process is subject to appeal and has to be able to withstand legal challenge in the High Court.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 09:12:48 PM
So, as our friends in the world of teaching slide quietly and calmly the last 10 working days with the aid of sports days, school trips and DVDs before 9 weeks of holiday the Department of Education has released a slew of statistics about their employment:

1. Across Northern Ireland there are almost 20,000 teachers.

2. Teaching has become a majority female profession, there are almost four times as many women teachers as there are men. The figures show there are only 4,586 men in teaching.  In nursery schools there are zero men involved.

3. The median age of teachers is 41.6.

4. For almost every 18 children, there is one teacher.

5. The figures also show that £603,092,190 was paid out to teachers in salary, making the average salary just over £30,000 a year.

6. The average Northern Ireland teacher takes 9 days off sick a year and the cost of employing substitute teachers has risen to £73million.

7. Substitute teachers, in total, carried out 505,597 days work - an increase of almost 50,000 on the previous year.

8. Retired teachers, those already receiving their pension, carried out 8,557 days subbing work.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 15, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
Using the term "work" rather loosely there.

Of course, the name of this thread says it all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
Busiest time of the year !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

Really? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 16, 2017, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

Really?

Yes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF

It is every teacher's worst nightmare to lose their cool and to have it recorded on a smart phone which can be posted on line for all.  Working in the classroom with some of today's teenagers is very difficult job and even the best and most experienced teachers can find it tough going at times.  It happens and even outside school on a night out the teacher can find his/her pupils ready to video any indiscretion and post it on line.  It happens.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on June 16, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF

It is every teacher's worst nightmare to lose their cool and to have it recorded on a smart phone which can be posted on line for all.  Working in the classroom with some of today's teenagers is very difficult job and even the best and most experienced teachers can find it tough going at times.  It happens and even outside school on a night out the teacher can find his/her pupils ready to video any indiscretion and post it on line.  It happens.

Perhaps but it seems like an odd comment to post in relation to this story. I wouldn't consider the child being autistic as provocation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 16, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

They can be. And have been.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 07:41:20 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF

It is every teacher's worst nightmare to lose their cool and to have it recorded on a smart phone which can be posted on line for all.  Working in the classroom with some of today's teenagers is very difficult job and even the best and most experienced teachers can find it tough going at times.  It happens and even outside school on a night out the teacher can find his/her pupils ready to video any indiscretion and post it on line.  It happens.

Perhaps but it seems like an odd comment to post in relation to this story. I wouldn't consider the child being autistic as provocation.

You are 100% correct an autistic child is not a provocation. My comment was a general one about mobile phones being used by pupils to video or record their teachers in school or out when the situation arises. The provocation willl often come in the classroom from some smart ass who knows the buttons to press to get a reaction from his/her teacher. Others will record and share. That's why schools try and usually fail to control mobile phone use by pupils.

As well as the rights and wrongs related to the special educational needs element of this story, there is the issue of a teacher being recorded. Any teacher will worry about that angle.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 09:02:45 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 16, 2017, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

Really?

Yes

For as long as I remember, there have been schools that have 'encouraged' teachers to move along and often to another school when serious 'incidents' or situations have occurred or even for performance reasons, e.g. to avoid disciplinary action a school would work with the teacher and his/her union to move them along rather than follow the required procedures in which neither party could win. A super reference or at worst one economical with the truth would be provided to hide any problems or issues from the next school and a wall of silence built. It would take longer for a post to come along nowadays but in the past when there plenty of jobs it happened fairly quickly, usually by the end of year.  Also redundancy and retirement packages could have been used to move such teachers along as claimed by the parent in this situation.

The problem arose for recruiting schools who would have recruited such teachers because they would be unaware of the situation given the references and thought they were getting an experienced teacher with a glowing report. Things might only surface afterwards when recruitment was signed and sealed and nothing could be done to rectify the situation other than never trust that source for a reference.

The losers nowadays are the many good experienced teachers moving schools or seeking first permanent employment as schools are very wary of references.

These actions by some schools put a cloud over the massive majority of great teachers who left in retirement or taking redundancy or to genuinely move on to another school.  They also put a cloud over the vast majority of very genuine references received in recruitment of teachers.  As always the actions of the few can damage the many in so many ways.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on June 16, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF

It is every teacher's worst nightmare to lose their cool and to have it recorded on a smart phone which can be posted on line for all.  Working in the classroom with some of today's teenagers is very difficult job and even the best and most experienced teachers can find it tough going at times.  It happens and even outside school on a night out the teacher can find his/her pupils ready to video any indiscretion and post it on line.  It happens.

Perhaps but it seems like an odd comment to post in relation to this story. I wouldn't consider the child being autistic as provocation.

There are always two sides to every story. It is hard to imagine that a teacher could be so mean without some kind of motivation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on June 16, 2017, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: Orior on June 16, 2017, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 16, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 15, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 15, 2017, 11:22:06 PM
What do you make of this:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10209258377032226&id=1105826157)

Wow! 

Just horrendous on many fronts.

I had heard about his earlier today but had not read the post or listened to the recording.

Firstly, the needs of the child are paramount in all safeguarding situations and it is clear this is far from what has happened for this poor child.

These parents were obviously at their wits end to take the step of recording the teacher.  Even if only elements of their story are true then it is a horrendous indictment of Catholic education that prides itself on its special Christian ethos and care for the individual never mind the most vulnerable in the classroom/society.

It provides a warning to teachers on their vulnerability with the advances in technology.  The teacher in secondary school knows that as many as 30 mobile phones can be recording audio and video in every situation in the classroom.  Hopefully, they remain composed and give no hostages to fortune regardless of provocation.  The primary school teacher has been much less vulnerable to such activity until now.

The parents have also highlighted the education system's worst kept secret that matters are cleared up by teachers leaving the profession on ill-health or retirement or being given a reference to move on to another school.  Where have we heard of such methods before?

WTF

It is every teacher's worst nightmare to lose their cool and to have it recorded on a smart phone which can be posted on line for all.  Working in the classroom with some of today's teenagers is very difficult job and even the best and most experienced teachers can find it tough going at times.  It happens and even outside school on a night out the teacher can find his/her pupils ready to video any indiscretion and post it on line.  It happens.

Perhaps but it seems like an odd comment to post in relation to this story. I wouldn't consider the child being autistic as provocation.

There are always two sides to every story. It is hard to imagine that a teacher could be so mean without some kind of motivation.

I honestly can't envisage any scenario where a 5 or 6 year old child should be treated like that. She should have the book thrown at her
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

They can be. And have been.

Tell me how!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

They can be. And have been.

Tell me how!

Read this previous reply to you:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2017, 08:45:51 AM
If parents start putting recording devices in school bags, editing it and putting it on Facebook then there won't be very many teachers left in the profession. Trial by Facebook ffs. Some of the comments made about the woman are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 08:58:26 AM
The problem with teachers is they are overpaid and underworked, there is never a supply issue with teachers - there is always a surplus of teachers ready to step into a job.

Teachers now get ready for a good 2/3 months paid annual leave in the peak holiday season, they should have leave in line with all other public sector workers. They should be put to work in other community or special need bases project during the summer holidays. Their holidays should consist of 15 days summer leave, 9 days at Easter and the Christmas break.

It would be interesting to see how many of the skivers who take up teaching as a profession would then drop out when the 3/4 paid months annual leave they get through the year is taken away.

I do appreciate that teachers in the North would not get nearly as much of the perks/financial reward that the ones in the South do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

They can be. And have been.

Tell me how!

Read this previous reply to you:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287)


Total and utter bull! You made that up as you went along!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Doesn't sound good on that recording alright, their are tests done to the child to me for entry into general school, my nephew had the same done for him but at 6/7 which was too late to diagnose his issues. This child to me probably need 1-1 special needs assistant but of course they cost money and the schools dont have it. The teacher to me seems totally incapable of teaching a child with special needs as the child probably doesn't understand half the time he been giving abuse.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Doesn't sound good on that recording alright, their are tests done to the child to me for entry into general school, my nephew had the same done for him but at 6/7 which was too late to diagnose his issues. This child to me probably need 1-1 special needs assistant but of course they cost money and the schools dont have it. The teacher to me seems totally incapable of teaching a child with special needs as the child probably doesn't understand half the time he been giving abuse.

There is no context to the recording. We don't know if this is a full class of children or a small group of SEN children. We don't know what the child is doing in the video. He could be standing on tables for all we know. The teacher is obviously at her wits end and has lost it. We have a teacher in our school who is kicked, punched, spat on, hair pulled etc by a P1 every single day. The teacher is in tears most days and is totally helpless. Not good for the child, teacher and other children in the class. The school even asked the parent to come in and watch their child in the class. The parents seem to be in denial that the child is not fit for mainstream education.  I have a nice wee boy with autism in my class and luckily he has a classroom assistant otherwise I wouldn't get any work done as he needs one to one help at all times.

With the recording posted above, I feel sorry for the child being put in a class that is he more than likely not capable of being in and I feel sorry for the teacher who is being subjective to the most ridiculous threats. There won't be a teacher in Ireland who hasn't shouted at a child at some stage. I'm not defending the teacher's actions as she is wrong and is screaming at a 5 year old boy with autism. But we don't know the full story.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 06:59:35 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 17, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2017, 07:09:16 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on June 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
Teachers aren't 'moved' on to other schools. They have to forward an application form  and attend interview. It's not like the Church which you are implying

They can be. And have been.

Tell me how!

Read this previous reply to you:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8187.msg1705287#msg1705287)


Total and utter bull! You made that up as you went along!

Yeah, you're right.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 17, 2017, 11:31:04 AM
Haha!

Walk away Brannigan.....walk away....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 17, 2017, 11:31:04 AM
Haha!

Walk away Brannigan.....walk away....

Walking now. Just shaking my head.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on June 17, 2017, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.



Brilliant! Alistair Campbell, Steve Bannon, P.J. Mara - eat your hearts out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 08:11:16 AM
No doubt Gaffer will claim I have made it up.   :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Always thought any teacher driving the school bus was not wise. Now DVA is making it clearer on who can drive a minibus.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40347630?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40347630?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
According to reports it will take £1000 per teacher to put them through the new qualification to allow them to drive a minibus.  Time to flog the minibus and hire in transport.  According to site below, any one who got their test 20 years ago should have the D1 qualification.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
According to reports it will take £1000 per teacher to put them through the new qualification to allow them to drive a minibus.  Time to flog the minibus and hire in transport.  According to site below, any one who got their test 20 years ago should have the D1 qualification.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus)
Having a D1 on your licence (which everyone automatically got when they passed their car test 20 years ago) isn't enough seemingly. You must have the D1 by test and the driver qualification card to prove so.
It's a bit strange as it appears that anyone can drive a minibus as a volunteer, for a GAA club for example but not for an institution in which you are employed. Perhaps some decent souls in the community could 'volunteer' to drive their local school's minibus in an act of kindness.

Is this change as a result of lobbying by the transport hire business? The previous interpretation of the information on the DVA site is that driving for a non-commercial organisation, i.e. a school, is allowed on a D1 licence and only commercial work requires additional certification.

This question is highlighted by the DVA being unavailable for comment when they had already been in contact with the EA to give its interpretation of its own ruling.

From DVA:

Driving licences issued before 1 January 1997

If you passed your car driving test before 1 January 1997, you may have entitlement to drive minibuses on a voluntary basis (limited to social purposes on behalf of a non-commercial body), provided your licence hasn't been medically restricted. This entitlement, category D1 with restriction code 79 (nfhr) is displayed on your licence. It is valid throughout the United Kingdom.

'nfhr' stands for 'not for hire or reward' which  means that you cannot accept any payment, either cash or in kind, made by or on behalf of the passengers that gives them the right to be carried in the vehicle.


Licences without minibus entitlement

If your driving licence does not indicate that you are allowed to drive minibuses, you may be permitted to drive a minibus within the United Kingdom on behalf of a non-commercial organisation, if you meet all the following conditions:

you have a full car licence
you have held that licence for at least two years on aggregate
your are aged over 21 years
you receive no payment or consideration other than out of pocket expenses
you are driving on a voluntary basis
you are driving for social purposes


The only possibility is that in court, restriction code 79 (nfhr) could interpret the 'not for hire or reward' as not allowing an employee to drive as they are being paid to do so, even though it more likely referred to being able to drive a minibus in a scenario where the driver was a commercial entity and was employed by a business charging for hire.

On the other hand, is someone within the legal department of the EA bringing this new interpretation forward for fear of litigation against one of its schools as the EA is a self insuring organisation, i.e. it does not buy commercial insurance in many instances and is prepared to pay out against any claim against it proven in court?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2017, 10:18:11 PM
4 days left
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2017, 10:18:11 PM
4 days left

Can you hear the clock ticking?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 21, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
30 days for me :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 22, 2017, 07:46:07 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.
if its so great, then become a teacher.

I wouldn't encourage new teachers into the job in the south.
more and more paperwork and bullshít every year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 22, 2017, 08:10:43 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

As usual when faced with facts and figures the response is to sneer rather than attempt to provide any evidence to the contrary.  To repeat, the paid holiday package is the same for teachers as it is for all public sector workers - 28 days.  It is in regulation.

No doubt in the past teaching could have been seen to be a good option for terms and conditions but those days ended many years ago.  But in an age where the training colleges are demanding 3A grades or better for entry and a minimum 2.1 degree for post grad courses, the young people entering the profession have never been better qualified nor having had to work so hard to get on to the courses so your sneering implication and insult to them simple betrays your mindset.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 22, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
Any good DVDs?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 22, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
Any good DVDs?

Frozen might not suit secondary school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on June 22, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
Any good DVDs?

My wee lad was telling me their teacher allowed them to watch Christmas Vacation a few days before they got off for Christmas. They're 11 year olds.

I know the teacher well on a personal level and was out with them over the holidays when I asked about the choice and one particular scene where Clark Griswald is looking out over the back yard and dreaming of his swimming pool with a scantily clad young lady getting out of the water seductively and she admitted she'd clean forgot about it and was doing some paperwork when she heard the sniggers from the class and looked up to see that scene. The remote was too far away to forward it on, so she just let it play out, but its now off her playlist she tells me.
I recommended trading places to her instead!!!
;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Longshanks on June 22, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Bomber your obviously a WOM, my wife is a teacher and plenty of her friends are and she works 8-5 and then comes home and can be marking 2-3 hours per night (which they don't get paid for) and also marks at the weekends. I'm thankful that I'm in a job thats 9-5 and I dont worry about it in the evening or the weekend.

The fully deserve in holidays they get, if you think its such an easy job then maybe get into it yourself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: themac_23 on June 22, 2017, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 21, 2017, 05:45:34 PM
According to reports it will take £1000 per teacher to put them through the new qualification to allow them to drive a minibus.  Time to flog the minibus and hire in transport.  According to site below, any one who got their test 20 years ago should have the D1 qualification.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus (https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/driving-minibus)
Having a D1 on your licence (which everyone automatically got when they passed their car test 20 years ago) isn't enough seemingly. You must have the D1 by test and the driver qualification card to prove so.
It's a bit strange as it appears that anyone can drive a minibus as a volunteer, for a GAA club for example but not for an institution in which you are employed. Perhaps some decent souls in the community could 'volunteer' to drive their local school's minibus in an act of kindness.

Is this change as a result of lobbying by the transport hire business? The previous interpretation of the information on the DVA site is that driving for a non-commercial organisation, i.e. a school, is allowed on a D1 licence and only commercial work requires additional certification.

This question is highlighted by the DVA being unavailable for comment when they had already been in contact with the EA to give its interpretation of its own ruling.

From DVA:

Driving licences issued before 1 January 1997

If you passed your car driving test before 1 January 1997, you may have entitlement to drive minibuses on a voluntary basis (limited to social purposes on behalf of a non-commercial body), provided your licence hasn't been medically restricted. This entitlement, category D1 with restriction code 79 (nfhr) is displayed on your licence. It is valid throughout the United Kingdom.

'nfhr' stands for 'not for hire or reward' which  means that you cannot accept any payment, either cash or in kind, made by or on behalf of the passengers that gives them the right to be carried in the vehicle.


Licences without minibus entitlement

If your driving licence does not indicate that you are allowed to drive minibuses, you may be permitted to drive a minibus within the United Kingdom on behalf of a non-commercial organisation, if you meet all the following conditions:

you have a full car licence
you have held that licence for at least two years on aggregate
your are aged over 21 years
you receive no payment or consideration other than out of pocket expenses
you are driving on a voluntary basis
you are driving for social purposes


The only possibility is that in court, restriction code 79 (nfhr) could interpret the 'not for hire or reward' as not allowing an employee to drive as they are being paid to do so, even though it more likely referred to being able to drive a minibus in a scenario where the driver was a commercial entity and was employed by a business charging for hire.

On the other hand, is someone within the legal department of the EA bringing this new interpretation forward for fear of litigation against one of its schools as the EA is a self insuring organisation, i.e. it does not buy commercial insurance in many instances and is prepared to pay out against any claim against it proven in court?

Anyone who wants a bit more info on this from me a PM.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 22, 2017, 02:45:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2017, 08:44:04 AM
Any good DVDs?

Kodi is some job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 22, 2017, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?
I often do two weeks of courses during the summer
I might also help on our GAA summer camp for a week (voluntary)
Some summers I've gone off teaching in the Gaeltacht. the money isn't great but it gives me a chance to put some fheabhas on my Irish which I need all year long.

other summers I've just disappeared on the first day off and not come back until a day or two before the school resumes.
every teacher is different.
3 more days left
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on June 22, 2017, 03:18:50 PM
That's very interesting about Teachers' Leave entitlements and conditions, first I'd ever heard of it. Seeing as though the changes happened in the 80s only Teachers of a certain vintage would be aware of this and presumably all Teachers have went into the profession with their eyes open since. All sectors see changes to Ts&Cs but what's the Statute of Limitations in referencing them in an argument!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 22, 2017, 03:25:54 PM
100 pages! Mostly filled with non teachers too! Jealous of our holidays  ;D 
Nearly there lads!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2017, 08:40:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

Or rugby, so if there are any rugby playing teachers out there ....

I can't wait, while I loved the holidays when I did it I'm glad I work over the summer as being off the whole summer with the wife would drive ya batty!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:51:41 AM
Quote from: Longshanks on June 22, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
Bomber your obviously a WOM, my wife is a teacher and plenty of her friends are and she works 8-5 and then comes home and can be marking 2-3 hours per night (which they don't get paid for) and also marks at the weekends. I'm thankful that I'm in a job thats 9-5 and I dont worry about it in the evening or the weekend.

The fully deserve in holidays they get, if you think its such an easy job then maybe get into it yourself.

She works 8-5?

Does she now? She clocks into school and starts working bang on 8am and finishes at 5pm leaving the school? How many hours off has she in between? 8am-5pm with lunch breaks inclusive is a standard 40 hour working week for a lot of people, the problem with teachers is that if they do anything above the bare minimum they think they are martyrs. Teachers live in a bubble, they are institutionalised to think they have to work hard, in contrast with others they have it easy street. They never experience work outside of teaching so forgive me if I laugh when others accuse critics of teachers perks of not being able to comment on it when teachers have no practical experience of the vice versa.

It all boils down to the 3/4 months holidays teachers get every year and the sense of entitlement attached to it. What makes teachers entitled to this over any other and let us for once knock this on the head that this is not the main reason people pursue teaching as a career. If it wasn't such a big deal then why isn't it taken away and have teachers brought in line with all other public sector workers.

Teachers do not fully deserve the holidays they get. Plenty of people work hard, they do extra hours they get nothing for at work, many, many people in the private sector will do lots of extra hours in work they don't get paid for. Many see it as part of the parcel of work, teachers have a sense of entitlement to 3/4 months holidays which is not in existence in any other line of work.

As I said, let us see how many people fancy teaching as a profession without the 3/4 months holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 23, 2017, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.
I worked in sales reping and other stuff before teaching.
yeah, it was a longer day in thos ejobs, but the teaching takes a lot of preparation is quite tiring and can be quite stressful with certain pupils and silly parents

and its the kids who need the break as well
they are wrecked at the moment with the heat
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 23, 2017, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.
I worked in sales reping and other stuff before teaching.
yeah, it was a longer day in thos ejobs, but the teaching takes a lot of preparation is quite tiring and can be quite stressful with certain pupils and silly parents

and its the kids who need the break as well
they are wrecked at the moment with the heat

Many jobs take a lot of prep outside working hours, meetings (boards, management, clients), presentations etc. Taking work home with you is nothing unique to teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 23, 2017, 09:15:04 AM
Dog with a bone here, another hole in his argument, either jealous of the holidays, had a bad experience with a teacher, or school, was ditched by a teacher... or currently married to one who's laughing her head off at the fact that shes off for 2 months!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.

youd be wrong
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.

youd be wrong

Yes they do.

They don't work June*, July, August, half of December, Easter and Halloween.

As I said teachers are very much like unionists.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 23, 2017, 02:16:48 PM
The Bomber is spot on.
Teaching is an easy number.
Look at the holidays . Sure young ones now a days are great children and they are always well behaved.
No bother out of them at all..............

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Teachers at Enniskillen Royal Grammar School (ERGS) are being balloted by the NASUWT union for industrial action after it claims videos were taken up the skirts of two teachers by a male pupil in 2015.

A letter from the chair of ERGS's board of governors, seen by the BBC, was sent to teaching staff in early June. It said that, in November 2016 "a memory stick containing inappropriate images" was found in the school and it emerged that the images had been taken by a pupil in May and June 2015 – before the amalgamation of Portora Royal School and Collegiate Grammar School.

The PSNI investigated and two female teachers were informed about the images.

The pupil was initially suspended for five days and later for 12 further days, the BBC reported.

The case went to the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) but it decided not to prosecute the pupil because the activities reported to them by police as having been committed did not constitute an offence in criminal law. The PPS also said that the women teachers involved "were not observed doing a private act and therefore the evidential test in respect of the offence of voyeurism" was not met.

The letter to ERGS staff said that the governors decided not to expel the pupil after taking legal advice.

The school also said that it had carried out a risk assessment and drawn up safety and support plans for both the boy and the two female teachers.

Two teaching unions have since written to ERGS to voice their concern about the developments.

The Association of Teachers and Lecturers (ATL) said they were concerned there may be other victims "as yet unidentified" captured on video on the same memory stick and claimed that the school should "revisit the question of whether to exclude the pupil concerned."

The NASUWT letter alleges that the governors were not sufficiently open with staff about the situation and said that the women involved were "sexually exploited and feel objectified" as "it remains a fact that videos were taken up the skirts" of the teachers.

The NASUWT are balloting their 48 members in the school on whether to refuse to teach the pupil involved.

A spokesperson from ERGS told the BBC: "Given the complex and sensitive nature of this issue for all concerned, we are disappointed that this is being dealt with in the media.
"It is not appropriate for the school to comment further."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.

youd be wrong

Yes they do.

They don't work June*, July, August, half of December, Easter and Halloween.

As I said teachers are very much like unionists.

Like I said before, youre full of it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 23, 2017, 05:49:08 PM
Bomber, just to rub it in a bit more, I finish at 2 every Friday.   8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 22, 2017, 06:40:44 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 17, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Ha so says Bomber who was never a teacher!!

The legality of sending a child to school with a recording device, is breaking the law right there,

So only those who have 3/4 months annual leave in the year are entitled to comment on whether it is justified or not?

You'd soon find the real reason people take a career in teaching up if the annual leave entitlements were brought in line with other public sector workers.

Says the person who doesn't understand the idea of 'paid leave' or how teachers are paid.

Teachers are very well paid for their work. Their problem is that their place of employment only opens for 195 days per year.  So, their pay is limited.  They do not have the benefit of being able to work on the 42 days that others in full time employment can avail of.

They are only paid for working 195 days each year plus 28 days paid leave rather than the maximum 237 days ((53x5) - 28) that would be the norm for all other workers in full time employment who also receive 28 days paid leave. 

Up until the 1980s, teachers did not receive payment outside the school year.  Then a government decision was taken that payment should be spread over 12 months and not 10 months to ease and smooth the cash flow in the public sector purse.  This is now the norm for all public sector employees employed for less than 237 days.  So, at that time, teachers accepted a reduction in their monthly salaries because they were still paid for their work but payment was spread over the whole year.

Nowadays, under legislation for all employees, teachers get 28 days of holiday pay like all other public sector employees but this is subsumed into school closures. There was no increase in salary to take account of this change. Only 4 years ago, teachers received this right to the 28 days of paid holiday like every other worker.  A teacher ill for a period that does end before the summer break is entitled like every other worker to take all lost holidays before returning to work but if the period off is followed by the summer break then it is assumed that lost holidays are taken during the summer break.

However, teachers on temporary contracts, where they are paid the daily rate, remain without the right to holiday pay.  They are effectively on a form of zero hours contracts.  They earn the same as their permanent and temporary one year contracted colleagues over the year but are paid more per month, in any month without school closures, because they receive the daily rate = salary/195 rather than having it spread over the whole year.  They are only paid on the days they work and are unemployed outside the 195 days the school is open.

In short, teachers receive no more paid holidays than any other public sector employee, they are just very well paid on the 195 days they work and the statutory 28 days of paid holiday enjoyed by all.

Semantics.

They get paid throughout the year and are off work for 3/4 months of it.

Overpaid and underworked. There's never a shortage of teachers because people get into teaching for the holidays, take the holiday package away and bring it in line with other public sector areas and the amount of people pursuing teaching as a career would drop dramatically.

It then might stop teachers complaining about a lack of hours.

I think you meant underpaid and overworked. If you know nothing about a topic bomber you really shouldn't comment on it. As for people go into teaching for the holidays, wrong again. I never met a teacher who did that. In fact, I know quite a few, including myself, who got out of teaching despite the holidays

No I didn't. I've worked and lived with teachers so I do have my own insights to what they do. You said you never knew a teacher got it in for the holidays. Brilliant, so there should be no objection if teachers were put to working during the school breaks with community based projects.

Teachers live in a bubble. They are overpaid and underworked.

Are you a teacher or married to one?

So you have no first hand experience of teaching do you? Why would they do community based projects? Although I know quite a few who do that kind of work during holidays, running summer camps etc, but why would they? Would you put a doctor onto community based projects during thir time off? A binman? A solicitor? So why a teacher
I will say it again, with first hand experience, unlike you. Teachers are overworked and underpaid

Why would they do community based projects? Because for one quarter of the working year they do nothing. Teachers are like unionists in that they feel a sense of entitlement to perks that others don't have and never will

It's quite simple really. If the very generous holidays that teachers get are not a reason or incentive for people pursuing that career then it shouldn't be a problem scrapping that entitlement and bringing it in line with other, already generous, public sector employment.

Teachers are very defensive about their  3 months holidays. They feel a sense of entitlement to them. Why do they feel they deserve them in contrast with other workers?

you do not have a clue what you are talking about and quite clearly now nothing about the working lives of teachers. Cheerio

I would counter that teachers would not know anything about a working life. They have more in common with benefits recipients than the working man.

youd be wrong

Yes they do.

They don't work June*, July, August, half of December, Easter and Halloween.

As I said teachers are very much like unionists.

Like I said before, youre full of it

You're full of bluster. I deal in facts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 07:41:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.

A quarter is conservative. Most teachers don't work really at all apart from a couple of weeks in April when they really step it up. Pure spongers and waste of tax-payers' money. And sure they youtube everything. How does Shakespeare show ambition in Macbeth - here, watch this youtube video. Fcukers couldn't dig a hole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 07:41:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.

A quarter is conservative. Most teachers don't work really at all apart from a couple of weeks in April when they really step it up. Pure spongers and waste of tax-payers' money. And sure they youtube everything. How does Shakespeare show ambition in Macbeth - here, watch this youtube video. Fcukers couldn't dig a hole.
Now we're getting to the facts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Teachers with a degree in education (and primary teachers) are as thick as pig shit compared to PGCE teachers. Discuss.

A fella at the wife's school was told by someone at a grammar school they wouldn't even consider him for a job as he was a generalist from a teaching college and not a specialist with a primary degree.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on June 23, 2017, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.

Christ. I just had another look at this thread and can't believe this old chestnut is still going around. Add in all the marking and class preparation and teachers are working a good 50 hours a week. If you think it's such a cushy job then why don't you sign up and do it?

QuoteThe annual OECD "education at a glance" report shows that secondary school teachers have the fourth highest teaching hours of 21 countries surveyed at 735 hours.
Scotland clocks in at 855 hours, the Netherlands 750 and Luxembourg 739, while the average across the 21 countries is 622 hours.
Outside Europe, teaching hours tend to be longer. In the US, it's 1,076 hours, Australia 801 hours, New Zealand 760 hours and Canada 751 hours.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/do-irish-teachers-work-long-hours-by-international-standards-1.2235805 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/do-irish-teachers-work-long-hours-by-international-standards-1.2235805)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 23, 2017, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2017, 09:09:18 PM
Teachers with a degree in education (and primary teachers) are as thick as pig shit compared to PGCE teachers. Discuss.

A fella at the wife's school was told by someone at a grammar school they wouldn't even consider him for a job as he was a generalist from a teaching college and not a specialist with a primary degree.

They are not as 'thick as pig shit".  Young people going to teacher training courses to obtain a BEd degree have usually achieved grades ABB, AAB or AAA in A levels or equivalent.  They have worked very hard and are high achievers. 

The problem is with the course content at these training colleges is often at or even below A level standard and nowhere near the standard reached by those taking degree courses at universities.  They do not have the opportunity to study their subjects to the depth of their university colleagues.  They are being failed by the training colleges who believe that most teacher trainees should concentrate on training for primary education as subject generalist.  However, the training colleges do produce secondary teachers in RE, Business Studies and Technology.  Unfortunately, they don't raise the standard and depth of study in these areas compared to the subject generalists for primary education. These trainees are particularly failed by their colleges.

In addition, the BEd route produces young teachers who lack the emotional maturity to take on the role of teachers and this is particularly exposed when they are taken on in secondary schools.  They spend up to 4 years as very immature students training to be teachers and are put in a very difficult position in dealing with today's adolescents who recognise that trainee teachers are only a few years older than themselves and deal with them accordingly.  Just imagine if someone with the emotional intelligence of EBD were put into a training position in a school how the children would tear him to pieces by the end of the day.  At least graduates are a bit older and will have made a more mature decision to become teachers and will have a better chance of developing into good teachers before affecting the education of too many children as they practice their skills.  A similar argument applies to medicine and hence the development of a graduate college being out forward by University of Ulster.

The result is that secondary schools and particularly grammar schools will lean towards those who have studied their subjects in depth for a degree and taken the PGCE qualification to allow them to be licensed as teachers and those who are able to display a greater level of emotion intelligence and maturity.

PE and RE students in the training colleges who took primary school courses turn up at secondary level to compete for jobs with those from universities. Some of these PE teachers will be employed for various reasons but will struggle when they attempt to take sports studies/science courses to A level because they don't have the depth of study.  In Technology, the training college students get preference because they have agreements with DE to create a closed shop, pardon the pun, as DE insists on a C&G qualification for workshop competency which is only built into the NI teacher training courses and excludes well qualified teachers with degrees who studied and trained in England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Owen, in your experience would you agree it's much easier to get your 3 As now compared to 1975/85 or even 95?

Is this down to

a) Better teaching
b) Online and additional resources
c) Dumbing down of content?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 23, 2017, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Owen, in your experience would you agree it's much easier to get your 3 As now compared to 1975/85 or even 95?

Is this down to

a) Better teaching
b) Online and additional resources
c) Dumbing down of content?
Is there a D (all of the above)?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 23, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Owen, in your experience would you agree it's much easier to get your 3 As now compared to 1975/85 or even 95?

Is this down to

a) Better teaching
b) Online and additional resources
c) Dumbing down of content?

Just a few random Friday night thoughts while watching Radiohead at Glastonbury. (Much better than poor Kris)

No doubt.  Grade inflation has occurred and is not the fault of the young people in schools or who have left in the last ten years.  It is down to a number of factors:

1. Modularisation
All A level courses have been broken down into individual modules which can be taken on their own and repeated until the highest score is achieved.  Aggregation of the modular scores allows for high scores in some to compensate for lower scores in there difficulty.  AS level modules have the same value as A2 level modules yet the degree of difficulty of A2 course is much greater.  You can max out AS modules to compensate for not doing as well at A2 level.  Some modules within AS and A2 are easier than others, e.g. I recall in Maths you can substitute a module in statistics for a pure maths modules which is far more difficult.  In RE A level you can take history modules instead of the more difficult ethics modules and the end result is the same but an easy route through history.

All modular exams are sprints with small amounts of material covered by each one. When A levels had to be taken at the end of two years with a series of 3 hour exams it was much more difficult to achieve higher grades.

2. Coursework
Although coursework has been tightened up in recent years it is still easier to gain marls through this route than through exams and it suits those who can work hard but find that exams do not suit them.  Intervention in coursework beyond the exam candidate occurs.

3. Grading
Exams are no longer normative referenced (think that is the right term).  Until recent years, I think up to the end of the 80s, the grades awarded at A level were statistically calculated regardless of the achievement of the candidates.  the same percentage of students could gain E grade or better each year, it was 69% and applied to all subjects.  The percentages of candidates assigned to each grade were then assigned accordingly.  This was a cop out by the exam boards.  they could set papers that were hard or easy and then apply the percentages to each grade by statistical means.  In 80s, this was also applied to O levels and one year the pass mark for Maths ended up at the low 20% and A grades were awarded to those over 50% because the paper was so difficult no one did well but the same grade profile existed.  So, no matter how much you knew it did not matter in terms of the grade you would get, you just had to do better than your peers, it was a competition.  I used to joke to A level Chemistry students that after half an hour they should put their hands up to ask for more paper, (in those days exams weren't structured in booklets as now) this would have a negative effect on the others and give them an edge.  So, students competed against teacher other and not the exam paper when it came to grades.

Since the early 90s grades have been awarded on the basis of criterion referencing.  This means you get marks according to the amount of correct answers you provide and these raw marks are converted to standard marks, e.g. 600 for a paper and 480 gets an A.  The candidate now competes against the paper and not his peers.  The more you can answer the higher the grade you get regardless of how many others have given as goos answers.  Hence we have tight mark schemes and higher grades.

Structured Exams
Recent trends have led to exam papers being highly structured. A question is broken down into its component sub parts and each part answer is marked and contributes to the final score.  Older papers just set a question and the student was not led through a series of questions contributing to each other.  Candidates no longer have to know everything, as I used to advise, many answers can be found on the exam paper if you study the questions properly instead of blindly trying to answer individual sub parts.

Playing the game
Schools and particularly the teachers know how to play the exam game and strategies are developed within subject disciplines to help students maximise their scores towards a final grade.  Everything is worked out to ensure that students follow an assessment path that will get the best score.  This occurs in many ways within subject areas but some will include analysis of modules to find the easiest, e.g. choosing the correct books, plays and poetry in English Lit, the periods of History, human or physical geography etc.  Many teachers are exam experts and dispense advice to students on which modules to repeat to maximise scores.

Schools will offer subjects that are more suited to some students than others to maximise results.  Not all A levels are equal under criterion referencing.  In the old days all subjects were norm referenced and made equal in terms of the percentage of students achieving a particular grade.  Criterion referencing means that a student can take 'easier subjects' and get into a better course than someone just randomly picking A levels in an Arts provision.  You look at grades and the raw scores required to achieve them and decide which subject offers the most A  grades.  It is not a criticism of subjects or students taking them.  Vocational A levels with higher levels of coursework raised the number A grades overnight as they suited some students and allowed for more intervention by those other than the student, just look at coursework marks. Most of these subjects had 60% coursework, statistics showed that these subjects had students getting almost full marks in coursework but struggling to pass the exam module but still getting an A grade.  The use of BTEC assessment took this to a different level because the teacher started assessing students form the first day and just had to hand back work to make sure each assessment sub criterion was ticked to award the distinction grade.  BTECs allowed students to avoid exams completely and depend on teacher assessed modules where intervention was rampant in terms of marking and repeating until the right answer was achieved.

Better teaching
Better teaching has been achieved as criterion referencing of assessment has meant that the teacher can teach precisely to the exam and have the students ready for the exam down to the final detail.  Years ago with norm referencing you just hope d your students were better than those in other schools, teachers competed against each if they wanted to improve results.  Now, they compete against the exam specification and win.

There are still those who shouldn't teach at A level but schools have worked this out and put those who are best in the top team of the school.  A level teaching is regarded by teachers as a measure of ability and esteem in which they are held. 

A wider range of courses and more modern exam specifications have rejuvenated some teachers and given them a keener interest in their subjects and desire to teach for their own enjoyment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 24, 2017, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.

Showing yourself up again as knowing. Othing about teachers work. I enjoy reading a lot of your stuff but on this you're wrong
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 24, 2017, 09:27:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 24, 2017, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 23, 2017, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Bomber, what facts do you deal in? You know nothing about being a teacher. That's the fact

The facts that teachers don't work for a quarter of the year. The fact that teachers are not unique in taking their work home. The fact that teachers enjoy a shorter working week than most.

Showing yourself up again as knowing. Othing about teachers work. I enjoy reading a lot of your stuff but on this you're wrong

Time to ignore him and treat his contributions to this thread with at least the same distain as he has for the teaching profession. Let him get back to sneering elsewhere on the Board.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Over the Bar on June 24, 2017, 07:18:54 PM
Teaching used to attract learned scholars at the top in their field.  Now it attracts Joe Average by and large.  Not saying all teachers are mediocre in their subjects but as a  profession it is on a serious downward slope from 40 years ago.   Borne out by the fact you can be a supply teacher in England with decent A level results! 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 24, 2017, 09:48:51 PM
Two parents and older sister are teachers (you have to be informed to post on here).

My sister teaches English, and said that one of the younger English teachers (in a good East Belfast Grammar) told her she hadn't read a novel since her degree.
I'm not a teacher but I'd be appalled if that was true of English teachers across the board. We all have CPD.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
Entry qualification for st Mary's college. Belfast is A AN
600 applications for 100 places
Applicants also have to pass an interview

Only the top performing students accepted

Drop out rate is about 3 %

Hardly shoddy
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
Next year we're focusing on full stops. Time to get back to basics.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 23, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Owen, in your experience would you agree it's much easier to get your 3 As now compared to 1975/85 or even 95?

Is this down to

a) Better teaching
b) Online and additional resources
c) Dumbing down of content?

Just a few random Friday night thoughts while watching Radiohead at Glastonbury. (Much better than poor Kris)

No doubt.  Grade inflation has occurred and is not the fault of the young people in schools or who have left in the last ten years.  It is down to a number of factors:

1. Modularisation
All A level courses have been broken down into individual modules which can be taken on their own and repeated until the highest score is achieved.  Aggregation of the modular scores allows for high scores in some to compensate for lower scores in there difficulty.  AS level modules have the same value as A2 level modules yet the degree of difficulty of A2 course is much greater.  You can max out AS modules to compensate for not doing as well at A2 level.  Some modules within AS and A2 are easier than others, e.g. I recall in Maths you can substitute a module in statistics for a pure maths modules which is far more difficult.  In RE A level you can take history modules instead of the more difficult ethics modules and the end result is the same but an easy route through history.

All modular exams are sprints with small amounts of material covered by each one. When A levels had to be taken at the end of two years with a series of 3 hour exams it was much more difficult to achieve higher grades.

2. Coursework
Although coursework has been tightened up in recent years it is still easier to gain marls through this route than through exams and it suits those who can work hard but find that exams do not suit them.  Intervention in coursework beyond the exam candidate occurs.

3. Grading
Exams are no longer normative referenced (think that is the right term).  Until recent years, I think up to the end of the 80s, the grades awarded at A level were statistically calculated regardless of the achievement of the candidates.  the same percentage of students could gain E grade or better each year, it was 69% and applied to all subjects.  The percentages of candidates assigned to each grade were then assigned accordingly.  This was a cop out by the exam boards.  they could set papers that were hard or easy and then apply the percentages to each grade by statistical means.  In 80s, this was also applied to O levels and one year the pass mark for Maths ended up at the low 20% and A grades were awarded to those over 50% because the paper was so difficult no one did well but the same grade profile existed.  So, no matter how much you knew it did not matter in terms of the grade you would get, you just had to do better than your peers, it was a competition.  I used to joke to A level Chemistry students that after half an hour they should put their hands up to ask for more paper, (in those days exams weren't structured in booklets as now) this would have a negative effect on the others and give them an edge.  So, students competed against teacher other and not the exam paper when it came to grades.

Since the early 90s grades have been awarded on the basis of criterion referencing.  This means you get marks according to the amount of correct answers you provide and these raw marks are converted to standard marks, e.g. 600 for a paper and 480 gets an A.  The candidate now competes against the paper and not his peers.  The more you can answer the higher the grade you get regardless of how many others have given as goos answers.  Hence we have tight mark schemes and higher grades.

Structured Exams
Recent trends have led to exam papers being highly structured. A question is broken down into its component sub parts and each part answer is marked and contributes to the final score.  Older papers just set a question and the student was not led through a series of questions contributing to each other.  Candidates no longer have to know everything, as I used to advise, many answers can be found on the exam paper if you study the questions properly instead of blindly trying to answer individual sub parts.

Playing the game
Schools and particularly the teachers know how to play the exam game and strategies are developed within subject disciplines to help students maximise their scores towards a final grade.  Everything is worked out to ensure that students follow an assessment path that will get the best score.  This occurs in many ways within subject areas but some will include analysis of modules to find the easiest, e.g. choosing the correct books, plays and poetry in English Lit, the periods of History, human or physical geography etc.  Many teachers are exam experts and dispense advice to students on which modules to repeat to maximise scores.

Schools will offer subjects that are more suited to some students than others to maximise results.  Not all A levels are equal under criterion referencing.  In the old days all subjects were norm referenced and made equal in terms of the percentage of students achieving a particular grade.  Criterion referencing means that a student can take 'easier subjects' and get into a better course than someone just randomly picking A levels in an Arts provision.  You look at grades and the raw scores required to achieve them and decide which subject offers the most A  grades.  It is not a criticism of subjects or students taking them.  Vocational A levels with higher levels of coursework raised the number A grades overnight as they suited some students and allowed for more intervention by those other than the student, just look at coursework marks. Most of these subjects had 60% coursework, statistics showed that these subjects had students getting almost full marks in coursework but struggling to pass the exam module but still getting an A grade.  The use of BTEC assessment took this to a different level because the teacher started assessing students form the first day and just had to hand back work to make sure each assessment sub criterion was ticked to award the distinction grade.  BTECs allowed students to avoid exams completely and depend on teacher assessed modules where intervention was rampant in terms of marking and repeating until the right answer was achieved.

Better teaching
Better teaching has been achieved as criterion referencing of assessment has meant that the teacher can teach precisely to the exam and have the students ready for the exam down to the final detail.  Years ago with norm referencing you just hope d your students were better than those in other schools, teachers competed against each if they wanted to improve results.  Now, they compete against the exam specification and win.

There are still those who shouldn't teach at A level but schools have worked this out and put those who are best in the top team of the school.  A level teaching is regarded by teachers as a measure of ability and esteem in which they are held. 

A wider range of courses and more modern exam specifications have rejuvenated some teachers and given them a keener interest in their subjects and desire to teach for their own enjoyment.

So, what are you saying?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 24, 2017, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
Entry qualification for st Mary's college. Belfast is A AN
600 applications for 100 places
Applicants also have to pass an interview

Only the top performing students accepted

Drop out rate is about 3 %

Hardly shoddy
Some interview. "Your grades are good. I see you play county football. When can you start?"

"Your grades aren't great. I see you play county football so there's a handy wee Liberal Arts with PE course you can do. When can you start?"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:48:05 PM
Liberal arts degree  isn't a teaching qualification
You'd need to do a post grad , after
Not too many interviews like that .
Level of questions. May be beyond you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 24, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:48:05 PM
Liberal arts degree  isn't a teaching qualification
You'd need to do a post grad , after
Not too many interviews like that .
Level of questions. May be beyond you
What language is that?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 24, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 23, 2017, 11:58:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Owen, in your experience would you agree it's much easier to get your 3 As now compared to 1975/85 or even 95?

Is this down to

a) Better teaching
b) Online and additional resources
c) Dumbing down of content?

Just a few random Friday night thoughts while watching Radiohead at Glastonbury. (Much better than poor Kris)

No doubt.  Grade inflation has occurred and is not the fault of the young people in schools or who have left in the last ten years.  It is down to a number of factors:

1. Modularisation
All A level courses have been broken down into individual modules which can be taken on their own and repeated until the highest score is achieved.  Aggregation of the modular scores allows for high scores in some to compensate for lower scores in there difficulty.  AS level modules have the same value as A2 level modules yet the degree of difficulty of A2 course is much greater.  You can max out AS modules to compensate for not doing as well at A2 level.  Some modules within AS and A2 are easier than others, e.g. I recall in Maths you can substitute a module in statistics for a pure maths modules which is far more difficult.  In RE A level you can take history modules instead of the more difficult ethics modules and the end result is the same but an easy route through history.

All modular exams are sprints with small amounts of material covered by each one. When A levels had to be taken at the end of two years with a series of 3 hour exams it was much more difficult to achieve higher grades.

2. Coursework
Although coursework has been tightened up in recent years it is still easier to gain marls through this route than through exams and it suits those who can work hard but find that exams do not suit them.  Intervention in coursework beyond the exam candidate occurs.

3. Grading
Exams are no longer normative referenced (think that is the right term).  Until recent years, I think up to the end of the 80s, the grades awarded at A level were statistically calculated regardless of the achievement of the candidates.  the same percentage of students could gain E grade or better each year, it was 69% and applied to all subjects.  The percentages of candidates assigned to each grade were then assigned accordingly.  This was a cop out by the exam boards.  they could set papers that were hard or easy and then apply the percentages to each grade by statistical means.  In 80s, this was also applied to O levels and one year the pass mark for Maths ended up at the low 20% and A grades were awarded to those over 50% because the paper was so difficult no one did well but the same grade profile existed.  So, no matter how much you knew it did not matter in terms of the grade you would get, you just had to do better than your peers, it was a competition.  I used to joke to A level Chemistry students that after half an hour they should put their hands up to ask for more paper, (in those days exams weren't structured in booklets as now) this would have a negative effect on the others and give them an edge.  So, students competed against teacher other and not the exam paper when it came to grades.

Since the early 90s grades have been awarded on the basis of criterion referencing.  This means you get marks according to the amount of correct answers you provide and these raw marks are converted to standard marks, e.g. 600 for a paper and 480 gets an A.  The candidate now competes against the paper and not his peers.  The more you can answer the higher the grade you get regardless of how many others have given as goos answers.  Hence we have tight mark schemes and higher grades.

Structured Exams
Recent trends have led to exam papers being highly structured. A question is broken down into its component sub parts and each part answer is marked and contributes to the final score.  Older papers just set a question and the student was not led through a series of questions contributing to each other.  Candidates no longer have to know everything, as I used to advise, many answers can be found on the exam paper if you study the questions properly instead of blindly trying to answer individual sub parts.

Playing the game
Schools and particularly the teachers know how to play the exam game and strategies are developed within subject disciplines to help students maximise their scores towards a final grade.  Everything is worked out to ensure that students follow an assessment path that will get the best score.  This occurs in many ways within subject areas but some will include analysis of modules to find the easiest, e.g. choosing the correct books, plays and poetry in English Lit, the periods of History, human or physical geography etc.  Many teachers are exam experts and dispense advice to students on which modules to repeat to maximise scores.

Schools will offer subjects that are more suited to some students than others to maximise results.  Not all A levels are equal under criterion referencing.  In the old days all subjects were norm referenced and made equal in terms of the percentage of students achieving a particular grade.  Criterion referencing means that a student can take 'easier subjects' and get into a better course than someone just randomly picking A levels in an Arts provision.  You look at grades and the raw scores required to achieve them and decide which subject offers the most A  grades.  It is not a criticism of subjects or students taking them.  Vocational A levels with higher levels of coursework raised the number A grades overnight as they suited some students and allowed for more intervention by those other than the student, just look at coursework marks. Most of these subjects had 60% coursework, statistics showed that these subjects had students getting almost full marks in coursework but struggling to pass the exam module but still getting an A grade.  The use of BTEC assessment took this to a different level because the teacher started assessing students form the first day and just had to hand back work to make sure each assessment sub criterion was ticked to award the distinction grade.  BTECs allowed students to avoid exams completely and depend on teacher assessed modules where intervention was rampant in terms of marking and repeating until the right answer was achieved.

Better teaching
Better teaching has been achieved as criterion referencing of assessment has meant that the teacher can teach precisely to the exam and have the students ready for the exam down to the final detail.  Years ago with norm referencing you just hope d your students were better than those in other schools, teachers competed against each if they wanted to improve results.  Now, they compete against the exam specification and win.

There are still those who shouldn't teach at A level but schools have worked this out and put those who are best in the top team of the school.  A level teaching is regarded by teachers as a measure of ability and esteem in which they are held. 

A wider range of courses and more modern exam specifications have rejuvenated some teachers and given them a keener interest in their subjects and desire to teach for their own enjoyment.

So, what are you saying?

1. O Levels from 1975 and A levels from 1977 are as good as 2.1 degrees from a whole bunch of universities in 2017.

2. You can't compare apples to oranges.

3.  It has never been easier for a large number of students to get 3 A grades for the reasons set out above.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 25, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 10:18:30 PM

What difference would it make? You don't have to read a novel a week to be able to teach kids about Macbeth every year.
I'd like to think a teacher teaching A Level students has a bit of enthusiasm for their subject. But hey, you always try to pick a fight with me, so go for it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 25, 2017, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Rois on June 25, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 10:18:30 PM

What difference would it make? You don't have to read a novel a week to be able to teach kids about Macbeth every year.
I'd like to think a teacher teaching A Level students has a bit of enthusiasm for their subject. But hey, you always try to pick a fight with me, so go for it.

They will surely have read any books on the syllabus and if English is anything like the sciences then there is little room for off syllabus teaching which I always found me to be a shame
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 28, 2017, 11:30:24 PM
Tick tock getting louder as the clock runs down to the final whistle on Friday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Over the Bar on June 28, 2017, 11:58:22 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
Entry qualification for st Mary's college. Belfast is A AN
600 applications for 100 places
Applicants also have to pass an interview

Only the top performing students accepted

Drop out rate is about 3 %

Hardly shoddy
Hardly quantum physics either tho...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 29, 2017, 06:57:20 AM
Sorry should have read  AAA or AAB grades.

In my day that was quantum physics !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2017, 08:13:41 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 28, 2017, 11:30:24 PM
Tick tock getting louder as the clock runs down to the final whistle on Friday.

My final whistle was last Friday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 29, 2017, 09:40:45 AM
The final whistle is at 1 today
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Hardy on June 29, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
What's the teacher equivalent of Black Eye Friday?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 29, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
Let's get full Thursday??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnneycool on June 29, 2017, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 29, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
What's the teacher equivalent of Black Eye Friday?

With the high percentage of females in the profession it would have to be Bitchy Thursday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 29, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 29, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
Teachers are on the public payroll, they should be made steward Orange parades and the like to give them something to do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Bored.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on June 30, 2017, 06:29:16 PM
You have all been on holiday from the first week of June from what I've witnessed with my 3rd year, P6 & P7. None of the 3 of them have done a stroke! Bomber might be right
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 30, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
Another 3 weeks for us teachers on the mainland unfortunately  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 30, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 30, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
Another 3 weeks for us teachers on the mainland unfortunately  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
and yet the UK children score lower on the PISA literacy and numeracy tests

explain that one???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2017, 10:55:59 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 30, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 30, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
Another 3 weeks for us teachers on the mainland unfortunately  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
and yet the UK children score lower on the PISA literacy and numeracy tests

explain that one???
An additional 3 weeks in July doesn't mean they teach for an additional 3 weeks in the academic year. Distribution of holidays is the difference.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2017, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 24, 2017, 10:48:05 PM
Liberal arts degree  isn't a teaching qualification
You'd need to do a post grad , after

My sister got an MA from uni but had to do another few years of teacher training before she could start her career.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on June 30, 2017, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2017, 10:55:59 PM
An additional 3 weeks in July doesn't mean they teach for an additional 3 weeks in the academic year. Distribution of holidays is the difference.

Yup. English schools have shorter summer holidays but longer Easter hols.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on July 01, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
In the interests of British unity, I think 6 County schools should be open until 14 July.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
In the interests of British unity, I think 6 County schools should be open until 14 July.

+1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 02, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 01, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
In the interests of British unity, I think 6 County schools should be open until 14 July.

The Ulster Teachers' Union will back that proposal, no sweat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 02, 2017, 10:14:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Bored.

It's ket! Will suffer on for the next few months though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2017, 06:53:37 PM
Clock is ticking loudly again.  Last full week of freedom for most teachers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 20, 2017, 07:16:39 PM
Back on Thursday! Children back next Wednesday.  Not long until Halloween sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2017, 08:38:06 PM
August is like a Sunday!! Wife in bits at the minute!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 08:38:53 PM
Back on Wednesday. Have 3 days to drink everything in the house.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on August 20, 2017, 08:47:40 PM
2 weeks for the big dog here!!!!!!!!! WOOF WOOF WOOF
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 23, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-who-fought-proposed-transfer-to-new-school-after-17-years-agrees-to-move-36061904.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/teacher-who-fought-proposed-transfer-to-new-school-after-17-years-agrees-to-move-36061904.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 17, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
When are the snow days scheduled for this year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 17, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
3 day week for all this week
4 day week for some next week
No school for some in following week and the rest are on a 3 day week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Avondhu star on October 17, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 17, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
3 day week for all this week
4 day week for some next week
No school for some in following week and the rest are on a 3 day week.

You should have done the teaching yourself and thereby create a vacancy for a village idiot
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 18, 2017, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on October 17, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 17, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
3 day week for all this week
4 day week for some next week
No school for some in following week and the rest are on a 3 day week.

You should have done the teaching yourself and thereby create a vacancy for a village idiot

Had planned to do that but since you already had got that job there was no need to help you out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on October 19, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on October 17, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on October 17, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
3 day week for all this week
4 day week for some next week
No school for some in following week and the rest are on a 3 day week.

You should have done the teaching yourself and thereby create a vacancy for a village idiot

If he was a typical 'walking principal' he would have avoided the actual classroom like the plague.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 29, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
4 and a half day week for Breda Academy!! Just when you think it can't get any handier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677)

Hard to see how much money can be saved on a shorter day once per week when the salaries of the teachers and ancillary staff still have to be paid and that makes up 90% of the daily costs, the remainder is 5% for heat, light, etc and 5% for curriculum costs.  Looks more like a PR stunt.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 30, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 29, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
4 and a half day week for Breda Academy!! Just when you think it can't get any handier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677)

Hard to see how much money can be saved on a shorter day once per week when the salaries of the teachers and ancillary staff still have to be paid and that makes up 90% of the daily costs, the remainder is 5% for heat, light, etc and 5% for curriculum costs.  Looks more like a PR stunt.

Or you only need 90% of your current staff; a decent saving on your costs. A few temporary teachers will lose their jobs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 30, 2017, 08:01:01 AM
luckily the salaries in the south are paid for by the department, not the schools themselves
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
Not enough hours in the day for some schools, if they (teachers) are following the strike action then its becoming very difficult for the school to run as normal, kids losing out and teachers becoming more stressed as the course has to be covered...

who'd be a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on November 30, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 30, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 29, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
4 and a half day week for Breda Academy!! Just when you think it can't get any handier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677)

Hard to see how much money can be saved on a shorter day once per week when the salaries of the teachers and ancillary staff still have to be paid and that makes up 90% of the daily costs, the remainder is 5% for heat, light, etc and 5% for curriculum costs.  Looks more like a PR stunt.

Or you only need 90% of your current staff; a decent saving on your costs. A few temporary teachers will lose their jobs.

Turns out it is more related to industrial action whereby the teachers don't do directed time and all activities such as meetings, parent-teacher meetings etc have to be done during school hours, hence the half day for pupils.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on November 30, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 30, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 30, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 29, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
4 and a half day week for Breda Academy!! Just when you think it can't get any handier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677)

Hard to see how much money can be saved on a shorter day once per week when the salaries of the teachers and ancillary staff still have to be paid and that makes up 90% of the daily costs, the remainder is 5% for heat, light, etc and 5% for curriculum costs.  Looks more like a PR stunt.

Or you only need 90% of your current staff; a decent saving on your costs. A few temporary teachers will lose their jobs.

Turns out it is more related to industrial action whereby the teachers don't do directed time and all activities such as meetings, parent-teacher meetings etc have to be done during school hours, hence the half day for pupils.

Fair enough. Time government made aware of how their policies are affecting day to day education.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 01, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 30, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 30, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 30, 2017, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 29, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 29, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
4 and a half day week for Breda Academy!! Just when you think it can't get any handier.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42169677)

Hard to see how much money can be saved on a shorter day once per week when the salaries of the teachers and ancillary staff still have to be paid and that makes up 90% of the daily costs, the remainder is 5% for heat, light, etc and 5% for curriculum costs.  Looks more like a PR stunt.

Or you only need 90% of your current staff; a decent saving on your costs. A few temporary teachers will lose their jobs.

Turns out it is more related to industrial action whereby the teachers don't do directed time and all activities such as meetings, parent-teacher meetings etc have to be done during school hours, hence the half day for pupils.

Fair enough. Time government made aware of how their policies are affecting day to day education.

It's not a government policy, it faux industrial action, children are being affected but those carrying out the industrial action are not at any loss as a result of their refusal to work as required by their contracts because they know that the people they are striking against will not take any action against them for breach of contract.  On the other hand the unions say they are striking against the 'employers' but the 'employers' are a not a unitary body, they consist of CCMS, EA and Boards of Governors of the 35+ voluntary grammar schools who negotiate along with Dept of Education (not an employer but provide the cash).  The 'employers' cannot make any deal with the teachers' unions because there is no executive minister to decide the cash available or to sign off the deal. 

The blame for not settling last year's and next year's public sector pay deals is now being loaded on SF-DUP refusing to come to a power sharing deal to have ministers in place to sign off the deals.

In the meantime, children in school receive less teaching time as their teachers are in meetings during the school day and some children are being sent home earlier than usual to allow teachers to do the activities that are meant to be outside their teacher time per week of 26.5 hours per week but within the 1265 hours they are contracted to work in school each year.

Even if the industrial action is settled soon with a pay deal, it will be hard to see how schools will revert to teachers working outside the school for meetings, etc as a practice has been established which has not collapsed the school day and which the Board of Governors of the school has effectively allowed and not not challenged as a breach of contract.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bogball88 on December 01, 2017, 10:52:50 AM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/teacher-faces-being-struck-off-after-allegedly-having-a-bobby-sands-coffee-cup-in-classroom-36368317.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/teacher-faces-being-struck-off-after-allegedly-having-a-bobby-sands-coffee-cup-in-classroom-36368317.html)
Some laugh for a Friday there  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 01, 2017, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: bogball88 on December 01, 2017, 10:52:50 AM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/teacher-faces-being-struck-off-after-allegedly-having-a-bobby-sands-coffee-cup-in-classroom-36368317.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/teacher-faces-being-struck-off-after-allegedly-having-a-bobby-sands-coffee-cup-in-classroom-36368317.html)
Some laugh for a Friday there  ;D

Both in England & Wales and in Scotland the teaching professions have General Teaching Councils with real teeth who can deal with all sorts of complaints against teachers and then suspend or remove their access to being teachers.  Both have published the professional standards by which teachers must comply. Fair play, if you want to be called a profession and professionals then standards are set and applied by the governing bodies like the GMC and the GDC for doctors and dentists.

http://www.gtcs.org.uk/regulation/hearings-schedule-and-decisions.aspx (http://www.gtcs.org.uk/regulation/hearings-schedule-and-decisions.aspx)

http://www.gtce.org.uk/teachers/reg_prof/index.html (http://www.gtce.org.uk/teachers/reg_prof/index.html)

Here in N.Ireland the SF education ministers ensured that this right was not in place for the GTCNI although the last man had begun to put in place some form of tougher regulation of the teachers like the other regions of the UK whereby complaints could be dealt with by an independent body away from the school thereby relieving the Board of Governors of the task of dealing with their teachers when complaints arose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 01, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/01/headteacher-charged-assault-classroom-assistant-sprayed-fire/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/01/headteacher-charged-assault-classroom-assistant-sprayed-fire/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 01, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
Never mind all that, it's nearly DVD time!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 01, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
Elf!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 01, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
Elf!

Booked to watch it at the Queens cinema!! Love it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 08, 2017, 11:32:24 AM
snow day!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 08, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Final furlong just got shorter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 08, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 08, 2017, 11:32:24 AM
snow day!

Surprisingly small number of school closures in N.Ireland, probably due to two days taken already this year for a storm that never really arrived in the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: maggie on December 08, 2017, 06:39:29 PM
A lot of the maintained schools had planned to take today as a staff development day as its the 8th Dec so they had no pupils in anyways
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 08, 2017, 06:41:30 PM
Mates school was open today. Hardly  any pupils came in he was telling me.
Handy aul day for him
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 08, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
A mate of mine drove about 40 miles to his school. Sat down at his desk, logged on to his computer, got a text saying the school was closed, waited for his computer to load up, shut it down and drove about 40 miles home.

Got a text at his desk? Does the headmaster not speak to him?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on December 08, 2017, 08:38:48 PM
Yeah we got a text from the primary school this morning that the school was open and 20 mins later another that it was closed so I'm sure the same happened to some teachers there
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 08, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on December 08, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 08, 2017, 11:32:24 AM
snow day!

Surprisingly small number of school closures in N.Ireland, probably due to two days taken already this year for a storm that never really arrived in the North.

Sure a Friday hardly counts anyway. Friday tests, art, assembly and home. We finish at 2 on a Friday  8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 08, 2017, 08:40:44 PM
It's f**king pathetic. The wife and wains were off but they have all been to school in worse.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 08, 2017, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
To be fair, I thought it was bad enough around Andytown first thing this morning. The main roads weren't great let alone the side streets.
Aye it wasn't too bad round here but ones in Carryduff spent over 2 hours getting to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 08, 2017, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
A mate of mine drove about 40 miles to his school. Sat down at his desk, logged on to his computer, got a text saying the school was closed, waited for his computer to load up, shut it down and drove about 40 miles home.

That would be me today minus about 28 miles.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 17, 2018, 06:48:50 AM
Snow day. School closed. Was flat out since Xmas so a wee break was due anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 17, 2018, 06:48:50 AM
Snow day. School closed. Was flat out since Xmas so a wee break was due anyway.
you deserved it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 17, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
Over 3 weeks until half term ffs. That's far too long a stretch so we needed a snow day to break it up a bit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seany on April 13, 2018, 02:32:13 PM
What the Hell's going on in Keady High School?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 13, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Seany on April 13, 2018, 02:32:13 PM
What the Hell's going on in Keady High School?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658)

Much the same as happened in another school in Belfast not so long ago and as uncommon as you might have thought.

Fair play to the principal for walking out and letting everyone know how she was being forced out of her post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
Going by that it appears  she has had disagreements with one or more members of staff. Whether they were entitled to be annoyed with her leadership is another question but it's a bit drastic to resort to anonymous letters.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on April 13, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
Going by that it appears  she has had disagreements with one or more members of staff. Whether they were entitled to be annoyed with her leadership is another question but it's a bit drastic to resort to anonymous letters.

Typical teachers, haven't the balls they were born with
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Balls to what ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on April 13, 2018, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 09:51:06 PM
Balls to what ?

Sending anonymous letters to the principal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 13, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 13, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
Going by that it appears  she has had disagreements with one or more members of staff. Whether they were entitled to be annoyed with her leadership is another question but it's a bit drastic to resort to anonymous letters.

Typical teachers, haven't the balls they were born with

What do you mean ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on April 13, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
It seems strange that the teachers used the cover of the INTO, yet the INTO claimed they were not behind any of it.

According to the league tables, the principal did appear to be good for the school - perhaps there are a few maverick teachers who are afraid of change or don't have a days work in them?

Did De La Salle ever make it up the league table?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Orior on April 13, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
It seems strange that the teachers used the cover of the INTO, yet the INTO claimed they were not behind any of it.

According to the league tables, the principal did appear to be good for the school - perhaps there are a few maverick teachers who are afraid of change or don't have a days work in them?

Did De La Salle ever make it up the league table?

INTO was only able to say that the union was not behind the action against the teachers. A majority of the staff are members of INTO.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."― Edmund Burke

I think Burke would agree that the same applies to women.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 12:25:23 AM
Can we get a movement behind her to back her up? #ibelieveher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2018, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 12:25:23 AM
Can we get a movement behind her to back her up? #ibelieveher

A simple statement of support signed by the teachers would be sufficient.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Orior on April 13, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
It seems strange that the teachers used the cover of the INTO, yet the INTO claimed they were not behind any of it.

According to the league tables, the principal did appear to be good for the school - perhaps there are a few maverick teachers who are afraid of change or don't have a days work in them?

Did De La Salle ever make it up the league table?

INTO was only able to say that the union was not behind the action against the teachers. A majority of the staff are members of INTO.

I would have thought that INTO only represented primary teachers. It may be different in the North however.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2018, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 14, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Orior on April 13, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
It seems strange that the teachers used the cover of the INTO, yet the INTO claimed they were not behind any of it.

According to the league tables, the principal did appear to be good for the school - perhaps there are a few maverick teachers who are afraid of change or don't have a days work in them?

Did De La Salle ever make it up the league table?

INTO was only able to say that the union was not behind the action against the teachers. A majority of the staff are members of INTO.

I would have thought that INTO only represented primary teachers. It may be different in the North however.

In NI they are in both primary And secondary while they virtually monopolise Catholic primary schools they vie with NASUWT in secondary schools but have pushed them aside in a majority of Catholic schools mostly where NASUWT has been on really long term industrial action. . UTU dominate the non-denominational primary schools and NASUWT in secondary schools with ATL a minority across all sectors.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on May 02, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
What's the inside story with De LaSalle in the Wild West;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43968686 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43968686)

I can't all be about the principal, can it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2018, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 02, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
What's the inside story with De LaSalle in the Wild West;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43968686 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43968686)

I can't all be about the principal, can it?

Wow!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

If the CEO of a company with around 100 employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

If the CEO of a company with around 100 employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

How many students is she looking after also?

If a CEO was incompetent and came back into the same role it might not make the news either
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 03, 2018, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

If the CEO of a company with around 100 employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

How many students is she looking after also?

If a CEO was incompetent and came back into the same role it might not make the news either

The students are the customers of the company.

If the CEO of a company was targeted by a small group of employees who did not like the fact that their actions had been challenged by the report, from an outside agency that had been called in by the previous CEO, it wouldn't make the news.

Not unlike the situation with a company in another area where the CEO was targeted by a small group of employees and felt sufficiently harassed that it resulted in resignation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 03, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 03, 2018, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

If the CEO of a company with around 100 employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

How many students is she looking after also?

If a CEO was incompetent and came back into the same role it might not make the news either

The students are the customers of the company.

If the CEO of a company was targeted by a small group of employees who did not like the fact that their actions had been challenged by the report, from an outside agency that had been called in by the previous CEO, it wouldn't make the news.

Not unlike the situation with a company in another area where the CEO was targeted by a small group of employees and felt sufficiently harassed that it resulted in resignation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658)
It is alleged there is MUCH more to that story than is reported.  :-X
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2018, 03:22:51 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 03, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 03, 2018, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2018, 04:37:14 PM
If the CEO of a company of 1000+ employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

If the CEO of a company with around 100 employees returned to work after time off and some of the board resigned, would it make the news?

How many students is she looking after also?

If a CEO was incompetent and came back into the same role it might not make the news either

The students are the customers of the company.

If the CEO of a company was targeted by a small group of employees who did not like the fact that their actions had been challenged by the report, from an outside agency that had been called in by the previous CEO, it wouldn't make the news.

Not unlike the situation with a company in another area where the CEO was targeted by a small group of employees and felt sufficiently harassed that it resulted in resignation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43758658)
It is alleged there is MUCH more to that story than is reported.  :-X

I was thinking that.

Care to share some of the insider gos?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on May 05, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
There are good principals and bad principals.
There are also good teachers and bad teachers.
There are effective board of governors and ineffective board of governors.

The biggest issue is bad principals and an ineffectual board of governors.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2018, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 05, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
There are good principals and bad principals.
There are also good teachers and bad teachers.
There are effective board of governors and ineffective board of governors.

The biggest issue is bad principals and an ineffectual board of governors.

I am afraid I would have to amend your statement:

There are competent and effective principals and incompetent or ineffectual principals.
There are also competent teachers and incompetent or unsatisfactory teachers.
There are competent and effective boards of governors and incompetent or ineffectual boards of governors.

The biggest issues are incompetent or ineffective principals, incompetent or unsatisfactory teachers and ineffectual boards of governors.


And who is to be the arbiter of this competence and effectiveness? 

Is it the incompetent or unsatisfactory teachers judging those principals who want them to put the education of children at the core of their purpose in school? 

Is it the competent and effective principals principals challenging the comfort zones of the incompetent or unsatisfactory teachers?

Is it the effective and competent boards of governors challenging the ineffective or incompetent principals and incompetent or unsatisfactory teachers?

It certainly won't be the ETI who inspectors are unwilling to challenge unsatisfactory or incompetent teachers. A much used quotation by ETI inspectors:

"A teacher's perception is that teacher's reality and the school must deal with that reality"

It won't be the GTCNI, a toothless and ineffective organisation paid for by teachers, unlike the England & Wales and Scotland equivalents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
What does GDPR mean for teaching? I've heard all sorts of things like you can't have pupils' work on your desk when you're not in the room (in case the cleaner looks at it or some shite).

Anyone had any training on it?

Surely the first paragraph is implemented by now regardless?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 25, 2018, 01:00:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
What does GDPR mean for teaching? I've heard all sorts of things like you can't have pupils' work on your desk when you're not in the room (in case the cleaner looks at it or some shite).

Anyone had any training on it?

Teaching long enough and never heard of that dung
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2018, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
What does GDPR mean for teaching? I've heard all sorts of things like you can't have pupils' work on your desk when you're not in the room (in case the cleaner looks at it or some shite).

Anyone had any training on it?

Surely the first paragraph is implemented by now regardless?
Really? You'd never see a pupil's book lying on a desk? Or even a pile of books for marking?

Sorry I thought you meant files such as IEPs and stuff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: MoChara on May 25, 2018, 08:35:02 AM
https://www.facebook.com/FupinEejits/videos/2109765429308393/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 25, 2018, 10:53:15 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 25, 2018, 08:24:36 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2018, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 24, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
What does GDPR mean for teaching? I've heard all sorts of things like you can't have pupils' work on your desk when you're not in the room (in case the cleaner looks at it or some shite).

Anyone had any training on it?

Surely the first paragraph is implemented by now regardless?
Really? You'd never see a pupil's book lying on a desk? Or even a pile of books for marking?

Sorry I thought you meant files such as IEPs and stuff.
Nah, say you took in homework to mark and left it on the desk and the cleaner comes in and sees Peter Hardstation got 3/20 in his French comprehension homework. He may know John Hardstation (Peter's da), and sends him a text to say "I see Peter is as big a twat as you". I've heard the teacher is in breach of GDPR.
A crock of shite but has there been any guidance?

Mark?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 25, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
Anyone eles think a primary school taking all next week off as holidays is shocking so close to the summer hols. I see no use at all for it and afaik there is no teacher training being done. Its a massive inconvienence for working parents. maybe cheaper getaway for the teachers/principal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on May 25, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 25, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
Anyone eles think a primary school taking all next week off as holidays is shocking so close to the summer hols. I see no use at all for it and afaik there is no teacher training being done. Its a massive inconvienence for working parents. maybe cheaper getaway for the teachers/principal

Yeah mid term break at the end of the term ffs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 25, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
Bastards!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 25, 2018, 08:03:59 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/teacher-banned-elizabeth-woods-magic-pen-of-sex-classrooms-a8367616.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/teacher-banned-elizabeth-woods-magic-pen-of-sex-classrooms-a8367616.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 26, 2018, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 25, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
Anyone eles think a primary school taking all next week off as holidays is shocking so close to the summer hols. I see no use at all for it and afaik there is no teacher training being done. Its a massive inconvienence for working parents. maybe cheaper getaway for the teachers/principal

June is a busy month in our schools. A weeks rest will give staff the energy to get them through the following 4 weeks until their summer holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Avondhu star on May 27, 2018, 11:32:34 PM
Just keep opening the Summer holidays advent calendar
 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2018, 05:12:12 PM
Well done to Mrs Corr.............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44495226?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44495226?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni)

Most likely took on this case herself as unions won't support teachers in taking libel cases.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 15, 2018, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 15, 2018, 05:12:12 PM
Well done to Mrs Corr.............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44495226?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44495226?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni)

Most likely took on this case herself as unions won't support teachers in taking libel cases.

Yes. Well done Mrs Corr. Should have gone for financial compensation though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2018, 09:52:32 AM
Well hopefully that stops the rest!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
I see the teachers in a Co. Antrim school get it real handy... all sorts of jobs available now!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on June 20, 2018, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
I see the teachers in a Co. Antrim school get it real handy... all sorts of jobs available now!

Fake news, it isn't here

US i think
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 20, 2018, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
I see the teachers in a Co. Antrim school get it real handy... all sorts of jobs available now!

Fake news, it isn't here

US i think

Job with nice perks all the same
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on June 20, 2018, 04:28:22 PM
Video, pictures, facebook profiles etc doing the rounds now and it definitely isn't in the US. Much closer to home and I'm sure very embarrassing for all concerned. Families ruined here, jobs probably lost so think before you send this stuff on to people just to have the laugh.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: our_fella on June 20, 2018, 04:29:30 PM
Parkhall Integrated College - Antrim
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Under Lights on June 20, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
Seen her facebook profile there, husband and kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Ambrose on June 20, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
Antrim? Looks more like Bangor.  :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on June 20, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
Speaking German & as someone said on Twitter European products on the table, but yeah it's in Antrim !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on June 20, 2018, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 20, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
Speaking German & as someone said on Twitter European products on the table, but yeah it's in Antrim !

There was a table??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Probably pure set up! Teachers wouldn't have the time to have extra curricular activities
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
They were speaking in German ffs. Along with the sweets and water on the table being a bit of a giveaway also. How this has grown legs is disgraceful. Typical Irish
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 20, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
Seen her facebook profile there, husband and kids.

Who's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: shezam on June 21, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 20, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
Seen her facebook profile there, husband and kids.

Who's?

Think he's referring to a Facebook profile of a teacher who looks similar to girl in Video (but not her I think) which has been circulating.

The school that this is rumored to have taken place have come out and categorically denied it's their school or any of their staff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on June 21, 2018, 09:32:32 AM
People are mental
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 21, 2018, 09:36:40 AM
Some innocent woman's career and reputation potentially ruined due to rumours spreading like wildfire across WhatsApp groups.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: shezam on June 21, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: Under Lights on June 20, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
Seen her facebook profile there, husband and kids.

Who's?

Think he's referring to a Facebook profile of a teacher who looks similar to girl in Video (but not her I think) which has been circulating.

The school that this is rumored to have taken place have come out and categorically denied it's their school or any of their staff.

Yeah I thought that but cannot actually believe an adult posted this on here so wanted to check with him.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tintin25 on June 21, 2018, 01:52:24 PM

Seen the facebook profile which has been circulating....definitely not the woman in the video.

Fake news.

Some people are so gullible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 21, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Staged.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 21, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Staged.

Sure it was just a bitta fun,some other country and school will be picked on next..

Though how anybody noticed things were written in German were obviously watching the wrong thing!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 21, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Staged.

Sure it was just a bitta fun,some other country and school will be picked on next..

Though how anybody noticed things were written in German were obviously watching the wrong thing!

I would say this is anything but funny for the people falsely accused who have had their lives and that of their family turned turned upside down.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 21, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Staged.

Sure it was just a bitta fun,some other country and school will be picked on next..

Though how anybody noticed things were written in German were obviously watching the wrong thing!

I would say this is anything but funny for the people falsely accused who have had their lives and that of their family turned turned upside down.

Who? It's staged and fake! And if real then they shouldn't have been doing it! Granted if real how the student kept a steady hand is beyond me!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept

So her fb profile has been widely circulated on various social media platforms as being a participant in an adult video and you think this won't have any effect on her life or that of her family.

Are you a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept
You've lost it. I'm not sure you'd be so flippant had it been your wife's photo and Facebook account flying about thousands of WhatsApp groups accusing her of having an affair and being caught in the act by one of her pupils with a video camera. This doesn't just disappear when the school make a statement saying it's nonsense. This must be horrific for her and her family.

Seriously? Not even close to being her.. You have lost it by actually thinking that it would be.. This is the problem with FB and users who actually think that everything on FB is real! do you really think any of her 'real' friends believed in an instant that it was her?

To put the word horrific in this is also balls, Horrific would be if someone came home with new that she had been killed in a car crash, not that someone had done a staged sex tape and linked her to it even though it does not look like her.. hyperbole or what!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 21, 2018, 03:23:50 PM
Just saw a few whatsapp messages on a colleagues phone and TBH as much as it's pretty obvious it's not the girl in question it's pretty scurrilous to be putting it out as such and surely a defamation case could be pursued against the person or persons suggesting as much.

Not nice at all.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
I see the teachers in a Co. Antrim school get it real handy... all sorts of jobs available now!

It sure looks like you were one of the believers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 21, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept
You've lost it. I'm not sure you'd be so flippant had it been your wife's photo and Facebook account flying about thousands of WhatsApp groups accusing her of having an affair and being caught in the act by one of her pupils with a video camera. This doesn't just disappear when the school make a statement saying it's nonsense. This must be horrific for her and her family.

Seriously? Not even close to being her.. You have lost it by actually thinking that it would be.. This is the problem with FB and users who actually think that everything on FB is real! do you really think any of her 'real' friends believed in an instant that it was her?

To put the word horrific in this is also balls, Horrific would be if someone came home with new that she had been killed in a car crash, not that someone had done a staged sex tape and linked her to it even though it does not look like her.. hyperbole or what!!

Would you be OK if it was your missus that it purported to be?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2018, 04:10:25 PM
1 half day left
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 21, 2018, 04:26:55 PM
Just had a group of friends from England send me the pics and video asking about it ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 21, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 21, 2018, 04:26:55 PM
Just had a group of friends from England send me the pics and video asking about it ffs.
They looking for a transfer?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 21, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept
You've lost it. I'm not sure you'd be so flippant had it been your wife's photo and Facebook account flying about thousands of WhatsApp groups accusing her of having an affair and being caught in the act by one of her pupils with a video camera. This doesn't just disappear when the school make a statement saying it's nonsense. This must be horrific for her and her family.

Seriously? Not even close to being her.. You have lost it by actually thinking that it would be.. This is the problem with FB and users who actually think that everything on FB is real! do you really think any of her 'real' friends believed in an instant that it was her?

To put the word horrific in this is also balls, Horrific would be if someone came home with new that she had been killed in a car crash, not that someone had done a staged sex tape and linked her to it even though it does not look like her.. hyperbole or what!!

Would you be OK if it was your missus that it purported to be?

But it wasnt!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: outsideoftheboot on June 21, 2018, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 21, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 21, 2018, 04:26:55 PM
Just had a group of friends from England send me the pics and video asking about it ffs.
They looking for a transfer?

I'm sure she could sort them out with a taxi whilst they are at it..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 21, 2018, 05:04:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 21, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 21, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
The teacher who a poster on here was looking up on fb. Along with I imagine hundreds of others.

But it wasn't her! He life is hardly ruined ffs if it wasn't her! Jesus wept
You've lost it. I'm not sure you'd be so flippant had it been your wife's photo and Facebook account flying about thousands of WhatsApp groups accusing her of having an affair and being caught in the act by one of her pupils with a video camera. This doesn't just disappear when the school make a statement saying it's nonsense. This must be horrific for her and her family.

Seriously? Not even close to being her.. You have lost it by actually thinking that it would be.. This is the problem with FB and users who actually think that everything on FB is real! do you really think any of her 'real' friends believed in an instant that it was her?

To put the word horrific in this is also balls, Horrific would be if someone came home with new that she had been killed in a car crash, not that someone had done a staged sex tape and linked her to it even though it does not look like her.. hyperbole or what!!

Would you be OK if it was your missus that it purported to be?

But it wasnt!!

So if it doesn't affect your wee bubble you are happy for folk to be affected by scurrilous claims.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Wont affect her really, its not horrific also! you have a strange thought process if you think it is
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 21, 2018, 05:47:02 PM
MR this is one of your stranger trains of thought! If thousands of people were passing around the Facebook profile of my missus with an accompanying video purporting to her I'd be absolutely livid and no doubt she'd be in the house crying and too afraid to show her face - EVEN IF IT WASN'T HER!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on June 21, 2018, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
Wont affect her really, its not horrific also! you have a strange thought process if you think it is

Yeah, not really sure how you go about arriving at this conclusion.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
It sure is horrific. What is baffling some clowns on here thought it to be true. The language and food was a bit of a giveaway along with the school statements. Morons
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
It wasn't her and as people have already mentioned it wasn't close! Assuming that 1000's of people sent it around, I never seen the fb profile, then automatically people would have made the connection that it was fake and got on about their day.. embarrassed about someone using your profile pic and relating it to a fake/staged set up is embarrassing but hardly horrific..

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 07:01:38 PM
You are deluded. People on this very board became convinced it was her AFTER seeing the Facebook profile!
I'm not sure if your life in any way reflects my weekly humdrum or whether it is a complete rollercoaster ride of emotions but if this came to my door, it would be a very bad week. Yes, it's not a death of a loved one but it is still something I would describe as horrendous, dreadful, appalling and indeed horrific.

It was that horrific that thousand (according to here) including ones on here watched it and watched it that well as they noticed things written in German !! Horrific was their first thought?

You'd need to get a girlfriend first before it goes to your door! Getting worked up over someone you don't know about something that didn't happen that was completely fake?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:17:04 PM
Think you've got this one wrong MR. Didn't you stress the possible damage caused by mistaken identity with the paedophile hunter thread? Why no such worries here? Admit you got it wrong and move on
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
You really are blown away.

There are things in life a lot more important to worry about or getting worked up over, than a fake story

Now if the German teacher was having it away with her in doors at school I'd be devastated especially if it was on social media!

knowing someone close who's committed suicide, and the real damage left behind, that is horrific
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:17:04 PM
Think you've got this one wrong MR. Didn't you stress the possible damage caused by mistaken identity with the paedophile hunter thread? Why no such worries here? Admit you got it wrong and move on

I stressed they did a great job in finding the paedos what they got wrong was their media attention seeking, which ruined the case that may have been useful if used by the proper authorities!

You are making things up now. Did you watch the video ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.

It's a fake porn video, you understand that part? Some cheeky so in so as likened a teacher to it! She hasn't been involved with a paedo or been accused of being a paedo or a live video being taken of her at home by hunters claim she was while waiting on police!

Now when it's that close I'll agree with you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.

It's a fake porn video, you understand that part? Some cheeky so in so as likened a teacher to it! She hasn't been involved with a paedo or been accused of being a paedo or a live video being taken of her at home by hunters claim she was while waiting on police!

Now when it's that close I'll agree with you.
You really are a nasty vile wee creature. So this poor lady who it was linked to will just walk to work, walk to shops, go to mass etc. as per normal with with no ramifications, and her kids and husband will never hear it mentioned, you are trying to take up the mantel of Tony, any post is gold as long as it gets a reaction, you would probably love the attention if it was yourself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 22, 2018, 08:27:57 AM
tis a bad job when a Stan Laurel is speakin more sense than ye. but he's right Milltown  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
Saw the video last night along with the Facebook profile. It's pretty clear the Facebook picture it is not the woman in the video. Anyone with a half a brain would know this. Problem  is that a lot people are dense and would believe it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.

It's a fake porn video, you understand that part? Some cheeky so in so as likened a teacher to it! She hasn't been involved with a paedo or been accused of being a paedo or a live video being taken of her at home by hunters claim she was while waiting on police!

Now when it's that close I'll agree with you.
You really are a nasty vile wee creature. So this poor lady who it was linked to will just walk to work, walk to shops, go to mass etc. as per normal with with no ramifications, and her kids and husband will never hear it mentioned, you are trying to take up the mantel of Tony, any post is gold as long as it gets a reaction, you would probably love the attention if it was yourself.

Lets get a bit of perspective here before you and the rest lose the run of yourselves.. I said it will hardly have ruined her life and it wasnt horrific.. I can think of a thousand things that will ruin lives and be far more horrific... now if you would like to bring up something that if said or done thats vile and nasty be my guest..

For someone thats very new to posting you know a lot about Tony, how many profiles have you got there Stan?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on June 22, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
A prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet. Both the way in which this fake story spread like wildfire and the nonchalant dismissal of the consequences by arseholes like MR  with his "I'm all right Jack" attitude as he gleefully spreads shit about someone he doesn't even know and dismisses the impact this could have on their life.

Whilst being a bleeding heart for some other cause celebre which shows him in a good light and makes him feel morally superior.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on June 22, 2018, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 22, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
A prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet. Both the way in which this fake story spread like wildfire and the nonchalant dismissal of the consequences by arseholes like MR  with his "I'm all right Jack" attitude as he gleefully spreads shit about someone he doesn't even know and dismisses the impact this could have on their life.

Whilst being a bleeding heart for some other cause celebre which shows him in a good light and makes him feel morally superior.

It's a real cancer in society at times. Had men in a WhatsApp group spreading the video and subsequent pictures to all and sundry with a line of 'it's the kids of this woman I feel sorry for'..and not seeing they are part of the fecking problem. Some folk are just immune to decency these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 22, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
A prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet. Both the way in which this fake story spread like wildfire and the nonchalant dismissal of the consequences by arseholes like MR  with his "I'm all right Jack" attitude as he gleefully spreads shit about someone he doesn't even know and dismisses the impact this could have on their life.

Whilst being a bleeding heart for some other cause celebre which shows him in a good light and makes him feel morally superior.

You are spreading it by continually posting on here ya twat!

And I wasn't spreading names or links to anything but don't let that get in the way of your bullshit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
You really have some issues MR !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 22, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
You really have some issues MR !

Detached from reality, stupid or just trying to be controversial. Not actually sure which  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.

It's a fake porn video, you understand that part? Some cheeky so in so as likened a teacher to it! She hasn't been involved with a paedo or been accused of being a paedo or a live video being taken of her at home by hunters claim she was while waiting on police!

Now when it's that close I'll agree with you.
You really are a nasty vile wee creature. So this poor lady who it was linked to will just walk to work, walk to shops, go to mass etc. as per normal with with no ramifications, and her kids and husband will never hear it mentioned, you are trying to take up the mantel of Tony, any post is gold as long as it gets a reaction, you would probably love the attention if it was yourself.

Lets get a bit of perspective here before you and the rest lose the run of yourselves.. I said it will hardly have ruined her life and it wasnt horrific.. I can think of a thousand things that will ruin lives and be far more horrific... now if you would like to bring up something that if said or done thats vile and nasty be my guest..

For someone thats very new to posting you know a lot about Tony, how many profiles have you got there Stan?

I have been reading this board since 2002 - there isn't enough hours in the day to post all your vile comments.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: bamboo on June 21, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
I'm making nothing up. You (rightly) and others were concerned about the possible implications of someone innocent being dragged into something and the lasting damage it could do to them and their families. Mud sticks and all that.

I see this as being the very same thing. Horrendous for the people involved. For us?Not so much.

Haven't seen the video. Can figure out it's content though.

It's a fake porn video, you understand that part? Some cheeky so in so as likened a teacher to it! She hasn't been involved with a paedo or been accused of being a paedo or a live video being taken of her at home by hunters claim she was while waiting on police!

Now when it's that close I'll agree with you.
You really are a nasty vile wee creature. So this poor lady who it was linked to will just walk to work, walk to shops, go to mass etc. as per normal with with no ramifications, and her kids and husband will never hear it mentioned, you are trying to take up the mantel of Tony, any post is gold as long as it gets a reaction, you would probably love the attention if it was yourself.

Lets get a bit of perspective here before you and the rest lose the run of yourselves.. I said it will hardly have ruined her life and it wasnt horrific.. I can think of a thousand things that will ruin lives and be far more horrific... now if you would like to bring up something that if said or done thats vile and nasty be my guest..

For someone thats very new to posting you know a lot about Tony, how many profiles have you got there Stan?

I have been reading this board since 2002 - there isn't enough hours in the day to post all your vile comments.

So that's a no then?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2018, 01:59:17 PM
Enjoy the holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 22, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
You really have some issues MR !

He's like a gossiping aul woman - he did the same in the Nolan thread
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 22, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
You really have some issues MR !

He's like a gossiping aul woman - he did the same in the Nolan thread

Jesus! the liverpool herd really herd in on the bullying! f**king Doctor what length of time will Southgate take for his dislocation to be ok?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 22, 2018, 04:17:55 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 22, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 22, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
You really have some issues MR !

He's like a gossiping aul woman - he did the same in the Nolan thread

I'd say the same boy couldn't hold a conversation outside his social media persona!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 22, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2018, 03:15:58 PMJesus! the liverpool herd really herd in on the bullying! f**king Doctor what length of time will Southgate take for his dislocation to be ok?

Can you repeat that in English?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 23, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
Stupid is as stupid does.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 23, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
Milltowns had a shocker it has to be said  ;D  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 23, 2018, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 23, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
Milltowns had a shocker it has to be said  ;D  ;D ;D

It was a meltdown in progress from he and his Roscommon mate took over the rape trial thread and he assumed the mantle of Fearon.  Too much time on his hands.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: HiMucker on June 25, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Its not hard to find them.  You are embarrassing yourself in your pursuit to get a rise out of Syferus.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 25, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Its not hard to find them.  You are embarrassing yourself in your pursuit to get a rise out of Syferus.

Banter, tit for tat stuff with Syferus is grand altogether, he's actually a smart guy with a good moral compass, heart in the right place sort of guy, whereas I use the board for other reasons..

I don't think anyone loses any sleep on whats been said on here, nor should they.. as for embarrassing myself I doubt it very much, I don't know anyone on here to be embarrassed too.. I'd be embarrassed if I thought this board was the be an end all
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 25, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
"Well wifey how was your day" "not great theres a video of someone havin sex in a school that looks like ours so its all over social media that its me and my fb profile has been shared hundreds of times" "ah well. Whats for supper"

;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 25, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
"Well wifey how was your day" "not great theres a video of someone havin sex in a school that looks like ours so its all over social media that its me and my fb profile has been shared hundreds of times" "ah well. Whats for supper"

;D ;D

Well hope it wasn't a sausage supper
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 25, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Do you stand at school gates peering in?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 25, 2018, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 25, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Do you stand at school gates peering in?

No. I'm far to busy in the real world.  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 25, 2018, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 25, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Do you stand at school gates peering in?

No. I'm far to busy in the real world.  ;)

What do you mean 'real world?'
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)

You are making a complete tool out of yourself as is, kept it up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 25, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Its not hard to find them.  You are embarrassing yourself in your pursuit to get a rise out of Syferus.

Banter, tit for tat stuff with Syferus is grand altogether, he's actually a smart guy with a good moral compass, heart in the right place sort of guy, whereas I use the board for other reasons..

I don't think anyone loses any sleep on whats been said on here, nor should they.. as for embarrassing myself I doubt it very much, I don't know anyone on here to be embarrassed too.. I'd be embarrassed if I thought this board was the be an end all

Says someone with 17460 who is never off here, you couldn't make it up.  8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 25, 2018, 09:13:51 PM
4 weeks and wan day for me
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 25, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 25, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Its not hard to find them.  You are embarrassing yourself in your pursuit to get a rise out of Syferus.

Banter, tit for tat stuff with Syferus is grand altogether, he's actually a smart guy with a good moral compass, heart in the right place sort of guy, whereas I use the board for other reasons..

I don't think anyone loses any sleep on whats been said on here, nor should they.. as for embarrassing myself I doubt it very much, I don't know anyone on here to be embarrassed too.. I'd be embarrassed if I thought this board was the be an end all

Says someone with 17460 who is never off here, you couldn't make it up.  8)

O aye yer a big lad, u and yer 30 posts. Youll not be so smart in 17430 posts time
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 25, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 25, 2018, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2018, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Stan Laurel on June 25, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 25, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Anyway, Teachers do get it handy. Summer holidays rolling around and they're outside in the sunshine swanning about. A complete joke. Surely they should be made just to mind children over the holidays. In case they get withdrawal symptoms.

Why didn't you become a teacher if you think it is that handy?

Because I have a sense of humour. Something you seem to be lacking. That probably disqualifies me.

The new social media trend - when called out, you were being flippant - its the new craze, run with it, definitely very prevalent on this board.  ;D

Still waiting on those posts you mentioned.. Called out and all that  ;)
Its not hard to find them.  You are embarrassing yourself in your pursuit to get a rise out of Syferus.

Banter, tit for tat stuff with Syferus is grand altogether, he's actually a smart guy with a good moral compass, heart in the right place sort of guy, whereas I use the board for other reasons..

I don't think anyone loses any sleep on whats been said on here, nor should they.. as for embarrassing myself I doubt it very much, I don't know anyone on here to be embarrassed too.. I'd be embarrassed if I thought this board was the be an end all

Says someone with 17460 who is never off here, you couldn't make it up.  8)

O aye yer a big lad, u and yer 30 posts. Youll not be so smart in 17430 posts time

If you think that it's his first 30 posts you'll be mistaken! Stan put up those hundreds of vile posts please! Otherwise you're full of it ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 20, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Say a prayer for those of us who return tomorrow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Say a prayer for those of us who return tomorrow.

What?

Surely not!

And you won't even get 3rd September off for the final.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 20, 2018, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Say a prayer for those of us who return tomorrow.

Harsh that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 21, 2018, 12:55:42 AM
There's no school returning today !!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 21, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Say a prayer for those of us who return tomorrow.

What?

Surely not!

And you won't even get 3rd September off for the final.


Wonder will any Kafflik Tyrone  schools choose NOT to close!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2018, 01:54:05 PM
I'm glad they are back! It costs me a fortune with her off!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 21, 2018, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 21, 2018, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2018, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2018, 04:04:10 PM
Say a prayer for those of us who return tomorrow.

What?

Surely not!

And you won't even get 3rd September off for the final.


Wonder will any Kafflik Tyrone  schools choose NOT to close!!!!!

Always thought it was stupid to take off the Monday after a final as a good number of children will be out late at the homecoming on the Monday night and only a tiny minority will have attended the final and even then will have been home relatively early as parents have work the next day.

Can't see anyone willing to break ranks and the vast vast majority of parents will not be pleased about this day off just when they thought they were reducing their childcare bills after the summer and seeing the back of their wee dears for a few hours every day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 12:31:14 AM
You can't speak for the 'vast vast majority' of parents
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 22, 2018, 07:34:52 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 12:31:14 AM
You can't speak for the 'vast vast majority' of parents

I don't speak for them or claim to do so, I only speak from experience. The cost of child care, not just in monetary terms, when schools are closed is a major factor for all families with young children, especially those who have children in a number of schools that close at different times.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
You said in your previous post that they will not be pleased. You were stating this as fact whereas it was only an opinion !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: haranguerer on August 22, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
 ;D Hes got you there
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 22, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
You said in your previous post that they will not be pleased. You were stating this as fact whereas it was only an opinion !!

Correct it is my opinion and it is based on 34 years experience working in the education sector where I met with a considerable cross section and number of parents and was able to assess and gauge their opinions on a wide range of topics including the closure of schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 22, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 22, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
You said in your previous post that they will not be pleased. You were stating this as fact whereas it was only an opinion !!

Correct it is my opinion and it is based on 34 years experience working in the education sector where I met with a considerable cross section and number of parents and was able to assess and gauge their opinions on a wide range of topics including the closure of schools.

Most I've spoken with are delighted to have the day off afterwards. Myself included. 

*Opinion based as a parent of two based in Tyrone.. My opinion is my own and I do not speak for all Tyrone parents. Just some. Who I know. In Tyrone.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 22, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 22, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
You said in your previous post that they will not be pleased. You were stating this as fact whereas it was only an opinion !!

Correct it is my opinion and it is based on 34 years experience working in the education sector where I met with a considerable cross section and number of parents and was able to assess and gauge their opinions on a wide range of topics including the closure of schools.

Well I think you should have stated that it was only your opinion in your original post. Have worked in the education sector myself for many years and have found that opinions  vary widely in any given topic
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 11, 2019, 10:51:51 PM
Anyone got a set of iPads in their school? I have 25 in the school and I want to try and control the apps and downloads from my teacher iPad or laptop. How is this done in your school? At the minute the school has a number of different apple IDs and some of the staff have even left the school. I see there is some Apple School Manager type thing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 11, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
20 laptops under one account. The IT man puts any required apps onto the iPads and makes sure there is room for them , in other words deletes any videos/photos that classses may have made
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 11, 2019, 11:09:51 PM


Hopefully   you have the username and password  for the apple I'd/ account. It's a complete melt otherwise.
One of the I pads  is set up as the master i pad-  it will control the downloads.  A sync/ charge cabinet is a good  investment in long term .  Keep an eye on charger cables ...constantly go missing £12.50 each to replace
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 11, 2019, 11:09:51 PM


Hopefully   you have the username and password  for the apple I'd/ account. It's a complete melt otherwise.
One of the I pads  is set up as the master i pad-  it will control the downloads.  A sync/ charge cabinet is a good  investment in long term .  Keep an eye on charger cables ...constantly go missing £12.50 each to replace

I've got a master one on the go but it's running out of GB fast as it all seems to save on the one IP iCloud account. This Apple school manager seems to allow up to 200gb per Apple ID. I just don't know enough about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 12, 2019, 08:10:14 PM
Transfer   essential keeps like videos   I movies pictures   etc  to external hard drive   wipe the rest !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 30, 2019, 01:08:01 PM
Well, are we taking the 4.25%?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 30, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2019, 01:08:01 PM
Well, are we taking the 4.25%?

This is not a 4.25 % pay rise. It's just over 2% which is shite. A back payment which is taxable. And no word of future plans for pay rises. It's a con and I will be voting against.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on April 30, 2019, 01:17:40 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 30, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2019, 01:08:01 PM
Well, are we taking the 4.25%?

This is not a 4.25 % pay rise. It's just over 2% which is shite. A back payment which is taxable. And no word of future plans for pay rises. It's a con and I will be voting against.

Not sure what teachers were expecting considering the public sector pay restraint
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 30, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2019, 01:08:01 PM
Well, are we taking the 4.25%?

This is not a 4.25 % pay rise. It's just over 2% which is shite. A back payment which is taxable. And no word of future plans for pay rises. It's a con and I will be voting against.

Why wouldnt it be taxable? Why is it 2% rather than the 4.25% discussed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 30, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Why wouldnt it be taxable? Why is it 2% rather than the 4.25% discussed?

Not a teacher, so no dog in the hunt, but the problem would arise if the backpay lump sump puts you into the high-band tax threshold, so it is (perhaps partially) taxed in higher tax bracket and you are then paying 20% more tax than what you would on that money if you earned it in a "normal" year.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 30, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Why wouldnt it be taxable? Why is it 2% rather than the 4.25% discussed?

Not a teacher, so no dog in the hunt, but the problem would arise if the backpay lump sump puts you into the high-band tax threshold, so it is (perhaps partially) taxed in higher tax bracket and you are then paying 20% more tax than what you would on that money if you earned it in a "normal" year.

Won't happen for vast majority of teachers.  Those without top promotions earn well below the 40% threshold.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 30, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
Won't happen for vast majority of teachers.  Those without top promotions earn well below the 40% threshold.

True.

Wonder how child care tax credits etc work - do they use the same demarcations as the income tax bands?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 30, 2019, 06:05:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 30, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2019, 01:08:01 PM
Well, are we taking the 4.25%?

This is not a 4.25 % pay rise. It's just over 2% which is shite. A back payment which is taxable. And no word of future plans for pay rises. It's a con and I will be voting against.

Why wouldnt it be taxable? Why is it 2% rather than the 4.25% discussed?

The 4.25% is for the past two years working out at just over 2% per year. Buttons
Reading yesterday's report they were talking about teachers at top of the scale getting a back  payment of £2000. Doesn't sound too bad eh? The fact is when tax is deducted they ll not be getting anything near it  !!! And if the deal is accepted by teachers (which I hope they don't) what do you think will happen when unions go looking for another pay rise next year???? They ll be laughed out if the door. My view is maintain industrial action where inspections and directed time are boycotted and they can keep their paltry offer!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 09:23:50 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Was speaking to a civil servant manager and she's on £50 grand a year!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 30, 2019, 09:32:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 09:23:50 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Was speaking to a civil servant manager and she's on £50 grand a year!

More like an Administrative Officer, on those wages.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on April 30, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2019, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 30, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Teachers in south start of €36k.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on April 30, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Teachers are the most insufferable poormouths you could ever come across. They work a part time job with a decent wage, pension benefits, extended holidays a secure job and they somehow think they are some sort of victims. There's a reason why they rarely change career.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: giveherlong on April 30, 2019, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

You must be a DP grade or above?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 30, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Teachers are the most insufferable poormouths you could ever come across. They work a part time job with a decent wage, pension benefits, extended holidays a secure job and they somehow think they are some sort of victims. There's a reason why they rarely change career.

Did you achieve much in education  yourself ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 30, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 30, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

You know that there are schools still operating as normal? Still stressed and under paid
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 30, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

... and civil servants are by and by large utterly f**king useless. [not helped by the insane policies within the CS where lack of subject knowledge seemingly doesn't matter when appointing chiefs to rule the indians]

At least teachers fulfil a role as underpaid childcare.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 30, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
Get that same impression myself Hardstation.
Scottish teachers managed to negotiate a 13% pay rise over 3 years. 

The only people that are annoyed by the current industrial action are some school prinicipals and the inspectorate.
Most schools are actually happier places to work as teachers get to concentrate on teaching

Agree with HS as well.

Teachers would be reluctant to go back to previous situation. Strike action has enforced a work to rule, nobbled inspections, curtailed new initiatives and brought a halt to Key Stage assessment schemes.

It would take quite a pay rise to be worth returning to the treadmill before industrial action. Teachers are still well paid and a mostly female workforce will put more value on the current working situation than on a pay increase which bring s back stress and greater demands on their time.

You know that there are schools still operating as normal? Still stressed and under paid
What do you mean?

Schools are still carrying out parents meetings after schools, still carrying out duties they did prior to the 'strike' still stressed still not getting a pay rise. My wife has not noticed one difference except a full on inspection, they have had inspectors in and they have assessed things though not a full blown one.

In my experience of ETI inspection I found them information and hard work but they were there for a reason.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 10:52:16 PM
The individual teachers would be wilfully refusing to comply with union directive by facilitating those things?

Yes, I'd say there are lots of individuals within schools doing what they normally did. They probably feel a sense of duty to the kids and will carry on regardless, for some it's still a vocation as such, and refusing to do things (rightly or wrongly) will do what they feel is right to them. Course there are others who'll use it to avoid work.

I've worked in a union environment for many years, I never once seen any benefits from it, but paid my dues and went on strike and still ended up taking a revised offer of the same offer that was offered in first place, but I was minus maybe four days and lost out on overtime!

How many years has this 'industrial action' taken place?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: omaghjoe on April 30, 2019, 11:21:19 PM
Know nothing about this but

LA teachers went on strike a few months back... all out of work till their demands were met.

Politicians who hadnt been involved and were happy enough for the school district to take the flack for no resolution with the teachers union were suddenly falling over themselves to get involved and give out pay rises.

My point is whatever your gripe is.... all out strike until its resolved, see what happens then!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 11:11:07 PM
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

It's going on about 2 years or so I think.

The modern world don't see the union like it was when I was a nipper. A proper full on strike, would in the short term caused havoc but would it have been better than this two year+ malarkey?

Either way, kids are still being taught, and schools are still achieving decent results, I'm still wondering how this strike action is making life easier for the teacher? She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 30, 2019, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 11:11:07 PM
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

It's going on about 2 years or so I think.

The modern world don't see the union like it was when I was a nipper. A proper full on strike, would in the short term caused havoc but would it have been better than this two year+ malarkey?

Either way, kids are still being taught, and schools are still achieving decent results, I'm still wondering how this strike action is making life easier for the teacher? She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5
9.-5? That's overtime in the civil service!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 11:11:07 PM
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

It's just when you said that your wife "didn't notice one difference" and that she's still doing the same things, it seemed like it wasn't her choice.
It's going on about 2 years or so I think.

Getting fucked out of the union would be a pay rise right away
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 30, 2019, 11:39:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 30, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Teachers are the most insufferable poormouths you could ever come across. They work a part time job with a decent wage, pension benefits, extended holidays a secure job and they somehow think they are some sort of victims. There's a reason why they rarely change career.
It's very hard to get out of teaching once in the door.
It's like they say in the Shawshank Redemption. You become institutionalised
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 12:23:10 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

So you are on 38 odd grand at 31 years of age if you are lucky enough to get a full time job when you come out of college (which most aren't by the way). What after that ? Prospects of any decent pay rises are grim and your career is only starting off...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on May 01, 2019, 01:00:55 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2019, 11:11:07 PM
Their prerogative. There are those who say they should be fcuked out of the union.

It's going on about 2 years or so I think.

The modern world don't see the union like it was when I was a nipper. A proper full on strike, would in the short term caused havoc but would it have been better than this two year+ malarkey?

Either way, kids are still being taught, and schools are still achieving decent results, I'm still wondering how this strike action is making life easier for the teacher? She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

Most important thing is kids are happy to go to school and are good socially.

Too much results based and grading and all this waffle in primary schools these days.  Kids getting tutored twice a week to get into certain schools etc.

A contradiction in itself - getting tutored to get into a certain secondary school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: giveherlong on May 01, 2019, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?

Come on now. This is the NI Civil Service you are talking about...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: north_antrim_hound on May 01, 2019, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Working with other grown ups can be very tiring
Teachers don't have to confront parents directly very often
If new initiative means having to diversify with changing times then try engineering or practically any job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on May 01, 2019, 09:06:46 AM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Are you serious.  It "takes" 12 years!

In any other profession (certainly in the private sector) you have to EARN a pay rise.  Not just get it by default because you turn up.

If anything sums up the bubble that teachers live in it's this comment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

Sweeping statement but go ahead..

The utopian view I think you are talking about is smaller classes better teaching less paperwork and less stress, will improve teaching standards and produce better students, less time off due to stress and and in the long run save money.

The summer off as you put it is 6 weeks. There is no way you'll encourage anyone with a degree to do teaching if such things like good pay good holidays were taken away.

My wife has completely discouraged our kids from being teachers, and this from a daughter of a teacher. Why has it become so stressful? I'd a client in the other day an ex teacher and he gave me some stat (whether its true or not) but, the life expectancy of a teacher who stops working at retirement age is on average 4 years, a teacher that stops just 5 years earlier is 17 years!

I worked with classes of 15/16, far easier managed and no stress, but I took that career change you say never happens and havent looked back ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 09:40:02 AM
What benefits come with being a teacher? Obviously they get great holidays but Pensions, health insurance etc? What is the value of those? Looking at a base line figure of salary actually distracts from the overall package. I would think they are fairly well reimbursed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mike Tyson on May 01, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

Sweeping statement but go ahead..

The utopian view I think you are talking about is smaller classes better teaching less paperwork and less stress, will improve teaching standards and produce better students, less time off due to stress and and in the long run save money.

The summer off as you put it is 6 weeks. There is no way you'll encourage anyone with a degree to do teaching if such things like good pay good holidays were taken away.

My wife has completely discouraged our kids from being teachers, and this from a daughter of a teacher. Why has it become so stressful? I'd a client in the other day an ex teacher and he gave me some stat (whether its true or not) but, the life expectancy of a teacher who stops working at retirement age is on average 4 years, a teacher that stops just 5 years earlier is 17 years!

I worked with classes of 15/16, far easier managed and no stress, but I took that career change you say never happens and havent looked back ;)

Going to call BS on that one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18952037
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

You know some teachers. Lived with some. But have never been one have you. I was. I took a career change that teachers never took. Do you know what into? The civil service. And not the NICS. And I can tell you the civil service does not have twice the standard working hours
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?
go on, what career change could most teachers go for?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 01, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
Teachers are paid far too much as it is. Most teaching is just putting on youtube videos.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
Id pay good teachers more. There is plenty of good teachers out there but there is plenty of woeful ones which drags the standard down and there doesn't seem to be anyway in differentiating between the two. When do you ever hear of a teacher being sacked or managed out of a job for performance related issues? Outside of gross misconduct they are virtually unsackable, which obviously leads to the problem that your unable to replace crap teachers with the good ones coming through. I know plenty of teachers, and every one of them to a man or woman when I asked them why they chose teaching, gave one of two answers. Either one of their parents were teachers and advised them to do it, or they said because of the holidays. That tells you something.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 01, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
Teachers are paid far too much as it is. Most teaching is just putting on youtube videos.

Oh dear. How sad
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Inc stats rather than in addition. Not many private firms offer 29 days holidays. There's not many 26 year olds earning £60k no matter what your friend says.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?

Doctors marry Doctors exactly. Another profession that runs its own secret incest group.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2019, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.
It's demand and supply. If they are into niche IT which is currently in demand then that's possible. But there'll be few IT people who are earning 60K 3 years out of Uni unless it's in Dublin. For every one that is there'll be 10 doing Helpdesk roles at £20-30K.  That's the private sector. Not everyone will be on the same pay and while you'll find outliers like the 3 year old graduate on £60K most won't be. But in teaching....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 01, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
There was only one Teacher who made my life hell to the point of bullying. A real nasty piece of work and when the **** dies I'll throw a f**king party.
Teachers are a funny cliquey bunch. They all marry one another, it's like some sort of secret cult. I always professions who do that with suspicion. 

However most Teachers are good people and I think are paid a fair remuneration package. It's a recession proof career, guaranteed promotion, weekends off and great holidays. That can't be overlooked.
;D ;D ;D

Tell me I'm wrong.  ;D ;D ;D

What about doctors and nurses marrying?

Doctors marry Doctors exactly. Another profession that runs its own secret incest group.

The legal profession is the exact same!  Surprise surprise people marry people who they have a common interest with and likely met when they were in University together....hardly a big jump is it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lenny on May 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/31/four-in-10-new-teachers-quit-within-a-year

You don't think 40% is a lot? I have to say it sounds like there's an issue there whether it's to do with pay or conditions I wouldn't know. That kind of turnover is bad in any profession.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/31/four-in-10-new-teachers-quit-within-a-year

You don't think 40% is a lot? I have to say it sounds like there's an issue there whether it's to do with pay or conditions I wouldn't know. That kind of turnover is bad in any profession.

They are obviously quiting and going back into teaching, rather than taking on new career's  ::)

according to the your man
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/31/four-in-10-new-teachers-quit-within-a-year

You don't think 40% is a lot? I have to say it sounds like there's an issue there whether it's to do with pay or conditions I wouldn't know. That kind of turnover is bad in any profession.
Discipline is a huge issue.
Parents rule the roost.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/31/four-in-10-new-teachers-quit-within-a-year

You don't think 40% is a lot? I have to say it sounds like there's an issue there whether it's to do with pay or conditions I wouldn't know. That kind of turnover is bad in any profession.

They are obviously quiting and going back into teaching, rather than taking on new career's  ::)

according to the your man
It says new teachers. I would imagine its because they cant get a permanent full time roll.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 01, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
Discipline is a huge issue.
Parents rule the roost.

Indeed.

Interestingly, high level application of the scientific method would indicate since removal of corporal punishment in schools, behaviour has significantly worsened; therefore the logical thing to do would be the reintroduction of corporal punishment.


Would a reintroduction see improved behaviour? I'd expect it very much would. Not so much because of the application of physical punishment, but simply by many of would be offenders being aware that the option exists.

Right now, many kids can get away with murder as they know the teachers' hands are proverbially tied. Fear of a good dig would keep an awful lot of them in line.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 01, 2019, 03:34:02 PM
Oh and Angelo cannot count or is on drugs.

For many civil servants, two times zero is still zero.  8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 12:23:10 AM

So you are on 38 odd grand at 31 years of age if you are lucky enough to get a full time job when you come out of college (which most aren't by the way). What after that ? Prospects of any decent pay rises are grim and your career is only starting off...

Why would you get any more pay rises other than for inflation?

What are you doing as a teacher that would entitle you to life long pay increases other than to take account of inflation?

The main problem is that the existing increments are too much, they should be decreased and put across a longer period with performance related pay like most other jobs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:48:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 09:18:51 AM

My wife has completely discouraged our kids from being teachers, and this from a daughter of a teacher. Why has it become so stressful? I'd a client in the other day an ex teacher and he gave me some stat (whether its true or not) but, the life expectancy of a teacher who stops working at retirement age is on average 4 years, a teacher that stops just 5 years earlier is 17 years!

I worked with classes of 15/16, far easier managed and no stress, but I took that career change you say never happens and havent looked back ;)

So, not much time left then, better get my affairs in order before time runs out for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 01, 2019, 12:23:40 PM
Teachers are paid far too much as it is. Most teaching is just putting on youtube videos.

Take the stress out of it for yourself and email them the links to those videos, they can watch them on their phones when they have time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 03:52:09 PM
Did a PGCE myself over in England and came home but given the saturated teaching market here and the fact I wasn't great with disciplining kids (head real problems at a school in England with 14-16 year old classes) I decided to take a private sector job that paid more.

Secondary teaching was never for me looking back I'm pretty sure I'd have made a good job of Primary teaching but again there are so many teachers around at the minute the pay you get is not worth the hassle when there are so many more options in the private sector.

Companies will value someone who has a University degree and a PGCE as it shows you have an intellect that is willing to learn and in most cases you can deal with people which is quite a big problem for a lot of private sector companies. In my experience job specific qualifications aren't particularly required for a lot of roles and even if you start at entry level and show you're good enough you can get up through the ranks relatively quickly!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 03:16:24 PM

Discipline is a huge issue.
Parents rule the roost
.

Discipline is indeed a huge issue because parents no longer rule the roost, they have abdicated responsibility for parenting and children largely call the shots in the majority of houses. Respect for authority, grading or otherwise is lost at an early age and can never be recovered.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Simple answer, if you're good enough and have the skills, get out of teaching and into one of these supposedly high paid jobs.  You're not locked in by contract but you are because of teaching becomes a fur lined rat trap, the money is good, working conditions are very good compared to the majority of lower paid jobs and the holidays are great.

Where else could you get paid £39497 for 195 days work or 1265 hours per year as an ordinary classroom teacher?

I think it works out at just over £31 per hour or £203 per day worked.

Hard to beat!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
What's the teaching pension worth?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
What's the teaching pension worth?

Better than mine
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 12:23:10 AM

So you are on 38 odd grand at 31 years of age if you are lucky enough to get a full time job when you come out of college (which most aren't by the way). What after that ? Prospects of any decent pay rises are grim and your career is only starting off...

Why would you get any more pay rises other than for inflation?

What are you doing as a teacher that would entitle you to life long pay increases other than to take account of inflation?

The main problem is that the existing increments are too much, they should be decreased and put across a longer period with performance related pay like most other jobs.

1. To compensate for the pay freezes and below inflation rises that I have endured for years.

2. Working way above the contracted hours for the good of the children under my care.

Existing increments are too much? Who are you to state that ? You are an ex principal of a second level school are you not or am I mixing you up with another poster?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.



Simple answer, if you're good enough and have the skills, get out of teaching and into one of these supposedly high paid jobs.  You're not locked in by contract but you are because of teaching becomes a fur lined rat trap, the money is good, working conditions are very good compared to the majority of lower paid jobs and the holidays are great.

Where else could you get paid £39497 for 195 days work or 1265 hours per year as an ordinary classroom teacher?

I think it works out at just over £31 per hour or £203 per day worked.

Hard to beat!

Maybe you worked the 1265 hours and no more but I certainly did alot more than that because I had to to meet the demands of the curriculum and admin and meaningless paperwork which we were ordered to do. The contracted hours were simply not enough to fulfill the demands.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 12:23:10 AM

So you are on 38 odd grand at 31 years of age if you are lucky enough to get a full time job when you come out of college (which most aren't by the way). What after that ? Prospects of any decent pay rises are grim and your career is only starting off...

Why would you get any more pay rises other than for inflation?

What are you doing as a teacher that would entitle you to life long pay increases other than to take account of inflation?

The main problem is that the existing increments are too much, they should be decreased and put across a longer period with performance related pay like most other jobs.

1. To compensate for the pay freezes and below inflation rises that I have endured for years.

2. Working way above the contracted hours for the good of the children under my care.

Existing increments are too much? Who are you to state that ? You are an ex principal of a second level school are you not ?

The increments have been in their current format for around 15 years.  I believe that a jump of £2000 a year for 6 years instead of £1000 for 12 years is a wrong way to reward experience for young teachers to receive such high increases over 5 years is unjustifiable when more experienced colleagues receive nothing.

I believe the salary scale should allow classroom teachers to earn up to £50,000 through a range of performance related increments over a 20 to 25 year period. With £65,000 top scale for those who have specific and high level skills that they share with younger colleagues in a mentoring role. The current management allowances should be rolled into the main scale so that good teachers do not have to take on other responsibilities to advance their pay. A few management roles are needed for teachers but non-teaching staff on lower pay scales should take on to do the administrative work now taken on by many teachers on allowances.  They would do the work better and teachers would concentrate on teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
What's the teaching pension worth?

Like most jobs the golden pensions of yesteryear have gone. The majority of teachers no longer have final salary pensions and they now have to work until the National Pension Age before gaining a full pension.  That is 67 now. Imagine a school with 67 year old teachers.

The teacher pension is now an average pay pension which approximates to the average salary earned over the working life in teaching. No one is really sure how this will really work out as none have reached the end of working on this scheme.  Also this scheme doesn't automatically pay out a tax free lump sum with monthly pay.

So, the old final salary scheme was fairly good but the newer scheme will not pay out nearly as much on retirement.

The old scheme which ended about five years ago for all teachers younger than 50 paid out on a fraction of the final salary calculated by dividing years worked divided by 80 and a tax free lump sum which was the amount from previously calculation multiplied by 3.

There is a lot of chat on here by teachers complaining about their pay but they have been let down most by their unions who failed to stop the changes to the pension scheme which has seen contributions going up to significant percentages depending on your salary and the pension being greatly reduced from previous levels.  It all rolled through with no changes enforced by the teacher unions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 05:03:13 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 01, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: michaelg on May 01, 2019, 07:10:08 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 30, 2019, 11:23:38 PM

She still brings marking home, still has classes and subjects to teach and under the same pressure to get results but for lesser money than a civil servant doing 9-5

A civil sevrant will probably be have about twice the standard working hours in a year as a teacher and to which grades of civil servant do you refer to? Entry level civil servants?
I would severely doubt that.  Teachers get around 12 - 13 weeks off a year admittedly, but many would work a significant number of hours  during those weeks off.  Given that many teachers would generally working 55 hours or so in any given week, not sure where you are getting your figures from.

Teachers are not working 55 hours a week, I've lived with them, I know some. This is the type of myths perpetuated by them and their associates to garner sympathy but it's a complete untruth.
Some are
Working with children is very tiring.
Dealing with the parents can be a misery.
Down here we seem to have a new initiative for schools every month and generally all they do is cause hassle and take away from quality teaching time with the children.

Why do teachers think they are unique in having to deal with certain aspects of work which they find frustrating/counter productive? Teachers seem to benchmark workplace practices against their utopian view of what they feel should be an easy, well paid part time job with summers off every year. The sense of entitlement is off the chain.

You don't see many of them going for career changes and what does that tell you?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/31/four-in-10-new-teachers-quit-within-a-year

You don't think 40% is a lot? I have to say it sounds like there's an issue there whether it's to do with pay or conditions I wouldn't know. That kind of turnover is bad in any profession.

They are obviously quiting and going back into teaching, rather than taking on new career's  ::)

according to the your man
It says new teachers. I would imagine its because they cant get a permanent full time roll.
That is not the case in the rest of the UK.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Maybe teachers should go train IT then. Teachers love to complain, very few leave it though. The 3 months paid holidays during the summer is hard to compete with.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Maybe teachers should go train IT then. Teachers love to complain, very few leave it though. The 3 months paid holidays during the summer is hard to compete with.

It's not 3 months, it maybe is in the South but not up North! It's 6 and half weeks  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 01, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
What's the teaching pension worth?

Like most jobs the golden pensions of yesteryear have gone. The majority of teachers no longer have final salary pensions and they now have to work until the National Pension Age before gaining a full pension.  That is 67 now. Imagine a school with 67 year old teachers.

The teacher pension is now an average pay pension which approximates to the average salary earned over the working life in teaching. No one is really sure how this will really work out as none have reached the end of working on this scheme.  Also this scheme doesn't automatically pay out a tax free lump sum with monthly pay.

So, the old final salary scheme was fairly good but the newer scheme will not pay out nearly as much on retirement.

The old scheme which ended about five years ago for all teachers younger than 50 paid out on a fraction of the final salary calculated by dividing years worked divided by 80 and a tax free lump sum which was the amount from previously calculation multiplied by 3.

There is a lot of chat on here by teachers complaining about their pay but they have been let down most by their unions who failed to stop the changes to the pension scheme which has seen contributions going up to significant percentages depending on your salary and the pension being greatly reduced from previous levels.  It all rolled through with no changes enforced by the teacher unions.

That's the case for all public sector pensions.  The unions held strikes & lost the pensions battle. It is only in future years that people will come to realise just how badly they were shafted, allied to the further hit that was imposed, due to the increase in NIC contributions that followed shortly after the pensions setback.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 06:41:49 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
If I was given 29 holidays and the stat days, guaranteed to work 9-5 only and allowed to use those holidays whenever I want them I would take that over getting the summer off. And workload changes from school to school. I've moved schools and I'm doing half the work with half the issues and getting paid the same as my old colleagues.

I don't think we get paid enough considering we are doing a pretty important job. I was talking to a fella who owns an IT firm and his new fellas out of Uni are earning 60k by the time they're getting to 26. Most principals don't get that.

Simple answer, if you're good enough and have the skills, get out of teaching and into one of these supposedly high paid jobs.  You're not locked in by contract but you are because of teaching becomes a fur lined rat trap, the money is good, working conditions are very good compared to the majority of lower paid jobs and the holidays are great.

Where else could you get paid £39497 for 195 days work or 1265 hours per year as an ordinary classroom teacher?

I think it works out at just over £31 per hour or £203 per day worked.

Hard to beat!

I have no doubt I would be good enough to work in the IT sector. If you are hard working, a willingness to learn and a drive to do well you will do well in most professions. I don't want to work in the IT sector though. The point I was trying to make is that this idea that teachers are on big money is a load of crap. It has decent money and excellent holidays but it's not massive money. My wife works in HR for a packing company and there are people standing on production lines getting more than teachers on M6 pay scale. Teaching is an important job and needs to be rewarded for it.

As I said before, the working conditions vary from school to school. In the last school I worked, I would have been in school 8.15 and leaving at 5.30 and working that night marking books and doing paperwork to all hours. 35 children in my class, 22 IEPs, 5 Romanians with no English at all and a traveller who wanted to fight everyone! The behaviour and issues we had to deal with on a day to day basis were shocking. Children throwing chairs, putting their boot through windows, trying to stab others with scissors etc!! And I didn't even have the worst class in the school. Even with all that, I spent 5 good years there, loved the experience and loved teaching the children. In my new school I arrive in at 8.30 and leave at 4.30 and have a bit of work to do at night but nothing like the last place to be fair. The children are all well behaved, hard working and the parents treat you with respect and trust you. It's a dream and I get paid the same money that my former colleagues get.

I love my job and I love teaching children. I like the management side of school as well and want to be a principal one day.  What I don't love is the absolutely meaningless paperwork that plays literally no role in improving children's education. Literally pieces of paper that sit in a file at the start of the year and aren't looked at until you've to do the same crap the next year. Meaningful assessment would be a good start. Stronger leadership from principals who don't live in fear of ETI would also be a great start. It's going to end up like Ofsted in England and that is proving to be a disaster for teachers. The best principal I ever worked for stood up to inspectors, parents and backed his staff.

I do agree with you on how the pay is structured. We move up the scale pretty quickly and then it stops! I am on UPS2 and approaching the end of the line for pay increases. You could spend 20 years on the same pay point without the chance of an increase, Some sort of performance related system would be good. I have worked with some useless and lazy teachers who are literally going through the motions or waiting for a redundancy package. I don't see teaching as a job you can bluff. You have 25-30 children sitting in front of you every day and if you're bluffing then it's ultimately the children who will suffer. I would love to kick some of those teachers out and bring in some of those teachers who are motivated and dying to get into a school to teach.

And getting back to the main topic, with all things considered I think the 4.25% is a joke and I will certainly be voting no. No matter what is said about teaching, 18% inflation since the last pay rise is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.

I reckon your full of sh*t....

What degree/qualifications allows a person to 'job hop' to continue to earn a decent living?

If you have a teaching degree.....your generally a teacher....how do you change career paths then? (successfully?)

Like it or not most people work to live and so this idea of an easy career change....well...does that exist?

Not a teacher by the way...think I'll look for a job in IT though!! (although have fcuk all qualifications in IT)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 07:34:07 PM
Get into coding! They don't have enough people to fill the jobs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 07:45:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

Should have become a teacher yourself then shouldn't you ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.

I reckon your full of sh*t....

What degree/qualifications allows a person to 'job hop' to continue to earn a decent living?

If you have a teaching degree.....your generally a teacher....how do you change career paths then? (successfully?)

Like it or not most people work to live and so this idea of an easy career change....well...does that exist?

Not a teacher by the way...think I'll look for a job in IT though!! (although have fcuk all qualifications in IT)

I'm not full of shit, most university degrees are tinge of vague when it comes to job prospects.

It teaching is the hell that the teachers make it out to be and they are poorly rewarded in their eyes then why don't they leave? The truth is that teaching offers outstanding pay (pro rata to someone who works a full time job), pension benefits, job security, guaranteed wages, holidays etc that can not be benchmarked.

There are plenty of accountants out there with a very diverse background between education and work experiences, there are plenty of solicitors likewise, there are plenty of people in the banking sector who go in with no real discernible finance qualifications and earn it along the way, HR and marketing likewise. There are opportunities there for these dissatisfied teachers but then again, changing career seems to be all a little bit too much like real work for them - something they might not be familiar with.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.

I reckon your full of sh*t....

What degree/qualifications allows a person to 'job hop' to continue to earn a decent living?

If you have a teaching degree.....your generally a teacher....how do you change career paths then? (successfully?)

Like it or not most people work to live and so this idea of an easy career change....well...does that exist?

Not a teacher by the way...think I'll look for a job in IT though!! (although have fcuk all qualifications in IT)

I'm not full of shit, most university degrees are tinge of vague when it comes to job prospects.

It teaching is the hell that the teachers make it out to be and they are poorly rewarded in their eyes then why don't they leave? The truth is that teaching offers outstanding pay (pro rata to someone who works a full time job), pension benefits, job security, guaranteed wages, holidays etc that can not be benchmarked.

There are plenty of accountants out there with a very diverse background between education and work experiences, there are plenty of solicitors likewise, there are plenty of people in the banking sector who go in with no real discernible finance qualifications and earn it along the way, HR and marketing likewise. There are opportunities there for these dissatisfied teachers but then again, changing career seems to be all a little bit too much like real work for them - something they might not be familiar with.

Glad you said it...

Key word being 'most'.....

When you do a teaching degree generally you can only be a teacher....

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.

I reckon your full of sh*t....

What degree/qualifications allows a person to 'job hop' to continue to earn a decent living?

If you have a teaching degree.....your generally a teacher....how do you change career paths then? (successfully?)

Like it or not most people work to live and so this idea of an easy career change....well...does that exist?

Not a teacher by the way...think I'll look for a job in IT though!! (although have fcuk all qualifications in IT)

I'm not full of shit, most university degrees are tinge of vague when it comes to job prospects.

It teaching is the hell that the teachers make it out to be and they are poorly rewarded in their eyes then why don't they leave? The truth is that teaching offers outstanding pay (pro rata to someone who works a full time job), pension benefits, job security, guaranteed wages, holidays etc that can not be benchmarked.

There are plenty of accountants out there with a very diverse background between education and work experiences, there are plenty of solicitors likewise, there are plenty of people in the banking sector who go in with no real discernible finance qualifications and earn it along the way, HR and marketing likewise. There are opportunities there for these dissatisfied teachers but then again, changing career seems to be all a little bit too much like real work for them - something they might not be familiar with.

Glad you said it...

Key word being 'most'.....

When you do a teaching degree generally you can only be a teacher....

Yes, you need teaching to do teaching.

You do not need a specific degree to work in fields like accounting, finance, HR, marketing etc - they may be desirable but they are not mandatory - there are plenty of accountants out there for instance who have backgrounds in science, engineering, IT etc. There are plenty of people working in banking with the same type of backgrounds.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?

Sorry don't get your point here...

I understand my line of thought ok...

If a teacher decides not to be a teacher any more what's the alternative?

A career in modelling? Astronaut? Building Contractor?

And again I'm not a teacher...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:14:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 06:55:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
If teaching was that bad then teachers wouldn't be holding the taxpayer to ransom and showing disregard to their students via strikes. They would be applying for jobs in other industries and leaving in their droves.

Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong. Even the ones that hate the job and work it entails won't leave it because of the works, despite all their tireless whining.

It would be a lot better for the students if teachers put as much effort into educating the children as they do for trying yo extract every attainable perk they can for themselves.

Have you a link to that statement (just teaching for the paid holidays) ?

It's an assertion.

Any job or profession I was unhappy with I moved on from or I sucked it up. Teachers consistently moan and play the poormouth and try and hold the taxpayer to ransom. If things were that bad then surely teachers would leave in their droves? Maybe they are wise enough to know when you benchmark teaching with most other jobs in various industries they come out very, very well - both financially and non-financial benefits. Teachers will never have much sympathy for me as there are plenty of avenues they can take rather than holding the taxpayer to ransom when they already get paid enough.

I reckon your full of sh*t....

What degree/qualifications allows a person to 'job hop' to continue to earn a decent living?

If you have a teaching degree.....your generally a teacher....how do you change career paths then? (successfully?)

Like it or not most people work to live and so this idea of an easy career change....well...does that exist?

Not a teacher by the way...think I'll look for a job in IT though!! (although have fcuk all qualifications in IT)

I'm not full of shit, most university degrees are tinge of vague when it comes to job prospects.

It teaching is the hell that the teachers make it out to be and they are poorly rewarded in their eyes then why don't they leave? The truth is that teaching offers outstanding pay (pro rata to someone who works a full time job), pension benefits, job security, guaranteed wages, holidays etc that can not be benchmarked.

There are plenty of accountants out there with a very diverse background between education and work experiences, there are plenty of solicitors likewise, there are plenty of people in the banking sector who go in with no real discernible finance qualifications and earn it along the way, HR and marketing likewise. There are opportunities there for these dissatisfied teachers but then again, changing career seems to be all a little bit too much like real work for them - something they might not be familiar with.

Glad you said it...

Key word being 'most'.....

When you do a teaching degree generally you can only be a teacher....

Yes, you need teaching to do teaching.

You do not need a specific degree to work in fields like accounting, finance, HR, marketing etc - they may be desirable but they are not mandatory - there are plenty of accountants out there for instance who have backgrounds in science, engineering, IT etc. There are plenty of people working in banking with the same type of backgrounds.

Yeah......but sure if you don't like teaching anymore...fcuk it....leave and get a 'real' job ....yeah?? (check your previously posts)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 01, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
You do know that there's a reason schools close for holidays
Its actually to give the children a break.
They get worn out after a long term.

In fact, despite the schools in the south having less teaching 'days' than in the north or UK, that children down here do much better on a range of standardised testing.

Even though schools down here do not coach children towards sitting tests (unlike schools in the north)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 01, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?

Sorry don't get your point here...

I understand my line of thought ok...

If a teacher decides not to be a teacher any more what's the alternative?

A career in modelling? Astronaut? Building Contractor?

And again I'm not a teacher...
Your thread is either incorrect or facetious. It is entirely possible to leave teaching and make a successful career elsewhere. I'd presume those with a PGCE and a primary Arts or Science degree would be marginally more employable than those through a BEd course but I'd say there would be some options. We have had trained teachers come through our place although not sure they were any use  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
Teachers flat out on this thread tonight. No marking tonight it seems.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 01, 2019, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
Teachers flat out on this thread tonight. No marking tonight it seems.

Sure I'm off tomorrow because of the election  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 01, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?

Sorry don't get your point here...

I understand my line of thought ok...

If a teacher decides not to be a teacher any more what's the alternative?

A career in modelling? Astronaut? Building Contractor?

And again I'm not a teacher...
Your thread is either incorrect or facetious. It is entirely possible to leave teaching and make a successful career elsewhere. I'd presume those with a PGCE and a primary Arts or Science degree would be marginally more employable than those through a BEd course but I'd say there would be some options. We have had trained teachers come through our place although not sure they were any use  ;)

Leave a teaching career and do what?

Without any other qualification than a teaching degree?

Examples please?

Van driver perhaps?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong.

Just the usual lazy, trite arguments from someone with no idea. Do you even have a job?

By law every employer in UK must provide their employee with 5.6 weeks or 28 days of paid holidays per year. So, your first statement is completely wrong.

So, teachers are paid for 195 days and receive 28 days of paid holidays like every other worker in UK, so 223 days per year.

With 52 weeks per year, 260 working days per year. So, teachers are not paid for 260 - 223 = 37 days per year

Teachers receive their pay like virtually every other salaried worker as 12 equal monthly payments to lower the employers monthly outlay rather than just according to the days works per month and the 28 paid holidays.

So, again you are completely wrong about paid holidays.  Teachers have 37 days per year for which they are not paid. Do not confuse spreading salary payments across the year with being paid for these unpaid days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 01, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?

Sorry don't get your point here...

I understand my line of thought ok...

If a teacher decides not to be a teacher any more what's the alternative?

A career in modelling? Astronaut? Building Contractor?

And again I'm not a teacher...
Your thread is either incorrect or facetious. It is entirely possible to leave teaching and make a successful career elsewhere. I'd presume those with a PGCE and a primary Arts or Science degree would be marginally more employable than those through a BEd course but I'd say there would be some options. We have had trained teachers come through our place although not sure they were any use  ;)

Leave a teaching career and do what?

Without any other qualification than a teaching degree?

Examples please?

Van driver perhaps?

What careers do people have without any kind of degree at all?? Ridiculous question!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.
Ah Jesus Tonto. I find that hard to believe. I made a comment earlier about the same thing. Albeit they would all be mid 30s or younger but nearly all them said they took up teaching because of the holidays. I don't share most of Angelos views. But I do agree with him on that point, and it is an issue.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:59:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 01, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

I just cant get your line of thought...

Qualified teacher = teaching for life....

Teacher decides to 'drop' out of teaching= fcuk it I'll be a rocket scientist instead?

Maybe downgrade to packing shelves in a supermarket.....but really?

Why can't you get your line of thought?

Teaching is for life in the same way that summers off are for life.

If teaching is the hell their cheerleaders on here are claiming and if it is as badly rewarded and poorly supported as their cheerleaders claim then why would anyone stay there teaching? Something doesn't add up with the poor mouthing, victim mentality of teachers and the low dropout rate in comparison with other professions. Did you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf?

Sorry don't get your point here...

I understand my line of thought ok...

If a teacher decides not to be a teacher any more what's the alternative?

A career in modelling? Astronaut? Building Contractor?

And again I'm not a teacher...
Your thread is either incorrect or facetious. It is entirely possible to leave teaching and make a successful career elsewhere. I'd presume those with a PGCE and a primary Arts or Science degree would be marginally more employable than those through a BEd course but I'd say there would be some options. We have had trained teachers come through our place although not sure they were any use  ;)

Leave a teaching career and do what?

Without any other qualification than a teaching degree?

Examples please?

Van driver perhaps?

What careers do people have without any kind of degree at all?? Ridiculous question!!

Me?

A teaching degree limits you to teaching.

A generic degree plus a PCGE might keep doors opened.

Yeah?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
A teaching degree limits nothing... lots of people without any kind of degree change careers all the time!!

I know 2 early retirees one who runs a shop and the other who buys and sells fitness equipment ... it's not impossible!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
A teaching degree limits nothing... lots of people without any kind of degree change careers all the time!!

Never had a degree, few qualifications after I left school at 16, but managed two complete changes of career in life which allowed me more than double my teaching wife's wages  ;D

Looking at my kids studying their asses off at the minute. God help them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on May 01, 2019, 09:57:17 PM
Mr lend us a few quid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong.

Just the usual lazy, trite arguments from someone with no idea. Do you even have a job?

By law every employer in UK must provide their employee with 5.6 weeks or 28 days of paid holidays per year. So, your first statement is completely wrong.

So, teachers are paid for 195 days and receive 28 days of paid holidays like every other worker in UK, so 223 days per year.

With 52 weeks per year, 260 working days per year. So, teachers are not paid for 260 - 223 = 37 days per year

Teachers receive their pay like virtually every other salaried worker as 12 equal monthly payments to lower the employers monthly outlay rather than just according to the days works per month and the 28 paid holidays.

So, again you are completely wrong about paid holidays.  Teachers have 37 days per year for which they are not paid. Do not confuse spreading salary payments across the year with being paid for these unpaid days.

This makes no sense. God help your students. You have no understanding of business.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 01, 2019, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
A teaching degree limits nothing... lots of people without any kind of degree change careers all the time!!

Never had a degree, few qualifications after I left school at 16, but managed two complete changes of career in life which allowed me more than double my teaching wife's wages  ;D

Looking at my kids studying their asses off at the minute. God help them
Reffing?
;D

Forgot about that, I just put that into the savings  :P
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
A teaching degree limits nothing... lots of people without any kind of degree change careers all the time!!

I know 2 early retirees one who runs a shop and the other who buys and sells fitness equipment ... it's not impossible!

Lolol 2 retirees who set up a shop or starting selling treadmills from money made by teaching or a fortunate windfall...

What are the university entry grades for that?

My posts relate to qualifications..

If you qualify as a teacher....generally for the rest of you life your a teacher...

If you have a degree plus a PCGE it seems like the world may be your oyster!

Someone please tell the teachers to follow this path rather than a dedicated degree to teaching....quick.....just in case they want to leave the teaching profession 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 01, 2019, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 01, 2019, 09:48:51 PM
A teaching degree limits nothing... lots of people without any kind of degree change careers all the time!!

I know 2 early retirees one who runs a shop and the other who buys and sells fitness equipment ... it's not impossible!

Lolol 2 retirees who set up a shop or starting selling treadmills from money made by teaching or a fortunate windfall...

What are the university entry grades for that?

My posts relate to qualifications..

If you qualify as a teacher....generally for the rest of you life your a teacher...

If you have a degree plus a PCGE it seems like the world may be your oyster!

Someone please tell the teachers to follow this path rather than a dedicated degree to teaching....quick.....just in case they want to leave the teaching profession 🤣🤣🤣

I'm not quite sure what your point is... you asked me to give examples of teachers having other careers and I've given you them.

You still then go on to say that because you are a teacher that means you're not able to do anything else because teaching is lol you're qualified in when this is patently not true.

Loads and loads of companies would recognise the transferable skills gained through teaching and having a teaching degree would demonstrate that you have some intelligence (although I'm starting to doubt that).

For example teachers who can't get a permanent job and want to look at other options there are apprenticeships for trades/telemarketing/administration/sales/retail and a number of other avenues open to them!!

If you're qualified as a teacher and want to stay one work away that's your prerogative but to say there aren't other options for employment just because you have a teaching degree is just not true!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 01, 2019, 11:03:29 PM
We have had qualified teachers in our place work in the training department (relatively natural fit), project management, business development.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong.

Just the usual lazy, trite arguments from someone with no idea. Do you even have a job?

By law every employer in UK must provide their employee with 5.6 weeks or 28 days of paid holidays per year. So, your first statement is completely wrong.

So, teachers are paid for 195 days and receive 28 days of paid holidays like every other worker in UK, so 223 days per year.

With 52 weeks per year, 260 working days per year. So, teachers are not paid for 260 - 223 = 37 days per year

Teachers receive their pay like virtually every other salaried worker as 12 equal monthly payments to lower the employers monthly outlay rather than just according to the days works per month and the 28 paid holidays.

So, again you are completely wrong about paid holidays.  Teachers have 37 days per year for which they are not paid. Do not confuse spreading salary payments across the year with being paid for these unpaid days.

Yes the old nugget teachers like to churn out.

If you want to play silly buggers with the level of leave teachers get then you can't be disingenuous with the salary they get as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their leave entitlement for the 9 months they work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their salary for the 9 months they work.

Look you clown
It is only in year 13 that you will  be actually paid at UPS 3 pay rate ...not in the first year that you are working towards that increment . That is simple the facts of the matter.

I dont feel plight in any way .

I just pity arse holes who think they know something about education

As  said    Did you not receive an education yourself  because you seem a right  dick.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

Ski trips

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on May 01, 2019, 11:45:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

From my experience, a refurbished iPad from 2013 and the lowest grade laptop possible, that has already been passed down by 4 other teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

Ski trips


MR    I could not  think off anything worse.( unless you are a skier) Stuck with other peoples children for 5 days / 24 hours ,
No sleep ...a bit of banter ....no way !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2019, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

Ski trips


MR    I could not  think off anything worse.( unless you are a skier) Stuck with other peoples children for 5 days / 24 hours ,
No sleep ...a bit of banter ....no way !
Its very hit and miss. My missus had a stinker of a trip last year and refuses to return. Mates of hers have gone on skip trips where a kid has hurt themselves on day one so they've had to spend every day with them in the hotel. Nightmare!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2019, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

Ski trips


MR    I could not  think off anything worse.( unless you are a skier) Stuck with other peoples children for 5 days / 24 hours ,
No sleep ...a bit of banter ....no way !
Its very hit and miss. My missus had a stinker of a trip last year and refuses to return. Mates of hers have gone on skip trips where a kid has hurt themselves on day one so they've had to spend every day with them in the hotel. Nightmare!

Young lad , in school in DPK, was flown from a ski resort to Barcelona for emergency surgery !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2019, 12:20:23 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2019, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 01, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 01, 2019, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

Laptop
iPad

Ski trips


MR    I could not  think off anything worse.( unless you are a skier) Stuck with other peoples children for 5 days / 24 hours ,
No sleep ...a bit of banter ....no way !
Its very hit and miss. My missus had a stinker of a trip last year and refuses to return. Mates of hers have gone on skip trips where a kid has hurt themselves on day one so they've had to spend every day with them in the hotel. Nightmare!

Young lad , in school in DPK, was flown from a ski resort to Barcelona for emergency surgery !
Not good for all parties. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to look after me as a 15 yo!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their salary for the 9 months they work.

Look you clown
It is only in year 13 that you will  be actually paid at UPS 3 pay rate ...not in the first year that you are working towards that increment . That is simple the facts of the matter.

I dont feel plight in any way .

I just pity arse holes who think they know something about education

As  said    Did you not receive an education yourself  because you seem a right  dick.


I think your attitude is quite telling when you have to respond to someone trying to clarify the disingenuous information you are spreading.

If I leave my house at 1.45pm and I travel for 2 hours and 20 mins, arriving at 4.05pm. When someone asks how long your journey takes, do you say 2 hours or 4 hours?

The simple fact of the matter is that it will take a period of time of 10 years to reach the top of the scale and you have deliberately tried to spin a false story to exaggerate the plight of the teacher. Just like the teachers likes to spin contradicting arguments when it comes to play down their salary and leave entitlements.

If you are the calibre and integrity of teacher about today then I'd severely worry about the education of the kids.

It's extremely telling the lies and spin put forth when you delve into the teachers arguments.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:19:28 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

How can we take your word for it? You have already been found out on here posting false and misleading information to put a spin on your story.

The standard leave in the private sector would be about 20-25 days from places I have worked. So even with your under declared teacher leave figures, you still have around three times what most people get a year in terms of leave and teachers then have the gall to go around bleating and striking about how overworked and underpaid they are.

As I have said previously, there's plenty of jobs in other industries out there if it's that bad. Not many teachers seem willing to take that chance though and why would that be?

Teachers are like the boy who cried wolf, they are merely chancing their arm.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:35:47 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.

How do you know that?

Teachers are all well versed in playing the poor mouth and acting like victims so they are hardly going to disclose it to all and sundry. The truth lies in the very low drop out rates in teaching, they "suck it up" and get on with it because when you benchmark it with other jobs across a whole variety of sectors they do extremely well out of it with the paid holidays being the cherry on top.

How do I know what?

On the face of it the holidays seem great to outsiders. Outsiders don't realise the work teachers have to do during the holidays tho. The days spent running revision workshops. Marking. Planning. Also the holidays are restrictive. You can't take holidays as and when. During school holidays trips away are a lot dearer is
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on May 02, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
As I'm not a teacher I can't comment. But I could think of nothing worse. I have to laugh at people talking about how handy they get it and the perks of the job. If it were so amazing and rewarding, then why aren't you doing it? I've seen from close relatives the stress and pressures of being a teacher. Each morning I wake up and thank my lucky stars that I'm not one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:42:35 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on May 01, 2019, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Angelo. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in 11 years in the profession I met one person who got into teaching for the holidays. She lasted 2 years.
Plenty of teachers 'suck it up' and get in with it.
Ah Jesus Tonto. I find that hard to believe. I made a comment earlier about the same thing. Albeit they would all be mid 30s or younger but nearly all them said they took up teaching because of the holidays. I don't share most of Angelos views. But I do agree with him on that point, and it is an issue.

I'm only going on my own experience mate. She may have been the only honest person. Who knows. I know I didn't go into teaching for the holidays and I know plenty of others who didn't either
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on May 02, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
As I'm not a teacher I can't comment. But I could think of nothing worse. I have to laugh at people talking about how handy they get it and the perks of the job. If it were so amazing and rewarding, then why aren't you doing it? I've seen from close relatives the stress and pressures of being a teacher. Each morning I wake up and thank my lucky stars that I'm not one.

It's not for me, that's why I don't work as a teacher.

If I'm in a job I don't like or feel stressed out about or underpaid I will look for something else.

What I won't do is bitch and moan, poormouth, threaten and take strike action and hold the taxpayer to ransom because certain aspects of the work don't fit in with my utopian view or what a job should entail.

Teachers are the boy who cry wolf, they are all demands but very few of them will leave the hell they claim to be employed. They know full well the grass is not greener on the other side.

Why would you work a job you hate and feel undervalued in. Why would you not move on or look for something else in this situation.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on May 02, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
As I'm not a teacher I can't comment. But I could think of nothing worse. I have to laugh at people talking about how handy they get it and the perks of the job. If it were so amazing and rewarding, then why aren't you doing it? I've seen from close relatives the stress and pressures of being a teacher. Each morning I wake up and thank my lucky stars that I'm not one.

It's not for me, that's why I don't work as a teacher.

If I'm in a job I don't like or feel stressed out about or underpaid I will look for something else.

What I won't do is bitch and moan, poormouth, threaten and take strike action and hold the taxpayer to ransom because certain aspects of the work don't fit in with my utopian view or what a job should entail.

Teachers are the boy who cry wolf, they are all demands but very few of them will leave the hell they claim to be employed. They know full well the grass is not greener on the other side.

Why would you work a job you hate and feel undervalued in. Why would you not move on or look for something else in this situation.

Was your ex wife a teacher? And it pissed you off as she lay in bed every morning over those holidays?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !


Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their salary for the 9 months they work.

Look you clown
It is only in year 13 that you will  be actually paid at UPS 3 pay rate ...not in the first year that you are working towards that increment . That is simple the facts of the matter.

I dont feel plight in any way .

I just pity arse holes who think they know something about education

As  said    Did you not receive an education yourself  because you seem a right  dick.


I think your attitude is quite telling when you have to respond to someone trying to clarify the disingenuous information you are spreading.

If I leave my house at 1.45pm and I travel for 2 hours and 20 mins, arriving at 4.05pm. When someone asks how long your journey takes, do you say 2 hours or 4 hours?

The simple fact of the matter is that it will take a period of time of 10 years to reach the top of the scale and you have deliberately tried to spin a false story to exaggerate the plight of the teacher. Just like the teachers likes to spin contradicting arguments when it comes to play down their salary and leave entitlements.

If you are the calibre and integrity of teacher about today then I'd severely worry about the education of the kids.

It's extremely telling the lies and spin put forth when you delve into the teachers arguments.

Something lacking here

Using your example
If you leave your house  12,   would you  ring your mate and tell you had arrived at your destination - No - because you still have the journey to make
In year 10 for pay progression  - you have a two year appraisal to achieve . Once achieved your pay increment increases - it's not backdated !  So it takes that long  to reach the highest pay grade

I have never mentioned anything about the plight if teachers
I have stated the actual facts !
Teaching is a good career , decent pay ,decent pension , excellent holidays. If you work in a well run school with few discipline issues , it is a great environment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !


Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their salary for the 9 months they work.

Look you clown
It is only in year 13 that you will  be actually paid at UPS 3 pay rate ...not in the first year that you are working towards that increment . That is simple the facts of the matter.

I dont feel plight in any way .

I just pity arse holes who think they know something about education

As  said    Did you not receive an education yourself  because you seem a right  dick.


I think your attitude is quite telling when you have to respond to someone trying to clarify the disingenuous information you are spreading.

If I leave my house at 1.45pm and I travel for 2 hours and 20 mins, arriving at 4.05pm. When someone asks how long your journey takes, do you say 2 hours or 4 hours?

The simple fact of the matter is that it will take a period of time of 10 years to reach the top of the scale and you have deliberately tried to spin a false story to exaggerate the plight of the teacher. Just like the teachers likes to spin contradicting arguments when it comes to play down their salary and leave entitlements.

If you are the calibre and integrity of teacher about today then I'd severely worry about the education of the kids.

It's extremely telling the lies and spin put forth when you delve into the teachers arguments.

Something lacking here

Using your example
If you leave your house  12,   would you  ring your mate and tell you had arrived at your destination - No - because you still have the journey to make
In year 10 for pay progression  - you have a two year appraisal to achieve . Once achieved your pay increment increases - it's not backdated !  So it takes that long  to reach the highest pay grade

I have never mentioned anything about the plight if teachers
I have stated the actual facts !
Teaching is a good career , decent pay ,decent pension , excellent holidays. If you work in a well run school with few discipline issues , it is a great environment.

The actual facts would seem to suggest you have tried to manipulate the actuality of events to suit your agenda.

It takes 11 full years to reach the top of the scale. You hdve attempted to manipulate that fact and have been caught out in doing so.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:19:28 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:36:03 PM
Fact :  in North teachers get 66 paid holiday days.
Teachers in South get  about 80 !
Its an enjoyable perk of the job alongside an odd pen and a pity of free copying for the Gaelic club !

How can we take your word for it? You have already been found out on here posting false and misleading information to put a spin on your story.

The standard leave in the private sector would be about 20-25 days from places I have worked. So even with your under declared teacher leave figures, you still have around three times what most people get a year in terms of leave and teachers then have the gall to go around bleating and striking about how overworked and underpaid they are.

As I have said previously, there's plenty of jobs in other industries out there if it's that bad. Not many teachers seem willing to take that chance though and why would that be?

Teachers are like the boy who cried wolf, they are merely chancing their arm.

something lacking 2 !

Teachers are contracted to work 195 days .
Weekends = 104 days .
Sub-total = 299
365 -299 = 66 days .

That would be a simple two maths problem for a P5 child.

So good day to you , facts are facts ...you need to get over it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 12:00:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 02, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 07:14:15 AM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 30, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on April 30, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
Teachers' pay is an absolute joke and they pay rise they're being offered is useless. I'm a Civil Servant and earn over £10K more than my wife who's a teacher. I'd say half the staff in Tesco get paid more

Really! NICS pay must be great.

Here are the teacher pay scales for teachers who have not been awarded a promotion. Any teacher can progress up through this scale over 9 years, just look at the annual increments.

(https://i.imgur.com/u0vwrGK.jpg?1)

Currently Tesco workers are paid £7.62 an hour, which will rise to £8.42 an hour by November 2018. The pay rise will put Tesco workers' pay above the £7.90 level that the National Living Wage is expected to reach by 2018. (23 Jun 2017)

I think teachers need to realise how fortunate they really are compared to the average in N.Ireland. In 2017, average weekly wages in Northern Ireland was £501, up 1.5 per cent from £494 in 2016. Annual salaries in the north, at £25,999, are still lower than the UK average of £28,758.

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !


Yet more utterly misleading information, 10 years is the period of time.

Why are teachers so liberal with the truth when it comes to presenting the nature of their "plight" in a positive light?

It's the same with the way they twist their salary for the 9 months they work.

Look you clown
It is only in year 13 that you will  be actually paid at UPS 3 pay rate ...not in the first year that you are working towards that increment . That is simple the facts of the matter.

I dont feel plight in any way .

I just pity arse holes who think they know something about education

As  said    Did you not receive an education yourself  because you seem a right  dick.


I think your attitude is quite telling when you have to respond to someone trying to clarify the disingenuous information you are spreading.

If I leave my house at 1.45pm and I travel for 2 hours and 20 mins, arriving at 4.05pm. When someone asks how long your journey takes, do you say 2 hours or 4 hours?

The simple fact of the matter is that it will take a period of time of 10 years to reach the top of the scale and you have deliberately tried to spin a false story to exaggerate the plight of the teacher. Just like the teachers likes to spin contradicting arguments when it comes to play down their salary and leave entitlements.

If you are the calibre and integrity of teacher about today then I'd severely worry about the education of the kids.

It's extremely telling the lies and spin put forth when you delve into the teachers arguments.

Something lacking here

Using your example
If you leave your house  12,   would you  ring your mate and tell you had arrived at your destination - No - because you still have the journey to make
In year 10 for pay progression  - you have a two year appraisal to achieve . Once achieved your pay increment increases - it's not backdated !  So it takes that long  to reach the highest pay grade

I have never mentioned anything about the plight if teachers
I have stated the actual facts !
Teaching is a good career , decent pay ,decent pension , excellent holidays. If you work in a well run school with few discipline issues , it is a great environment.

The actual facts would seem to suggest you have tried to manipulate the actuality of events to suit your agenda.

It takes 11 full years to reach the top of the scale. You hdve attempted to manipulate that fact and have been caught out in doing so.

You are wrong  .just deal with that.
I have no agenda here .
I just prefer factual accuracy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on May 02, 2019, 12:13:27 PM
I prefer people who know how to use the quote function so we can see what they're saying!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.






Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lenny on May 02, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

You're not too effing busy when you can spend half your time on here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:43:25 PM
Teachers get a decent wage tho in my early years I took a bar job to supplement my wages. The holidays are decent but a lot of teachers do work during the holidays. However you are restricted as to when you can take holidays and going on holiday costs substantially more during half term or Easter or the summer. There been plenty of times my friends were going abroad to watch CL games and I couldn't go.
All that said I didn't leave because of it or the holidays or the pupils. If all the job involved was teaching it would be the perfect job. Marking and planning aren't enjoyable but they are part and parcel of it. I left because I fell out of love with the job as a whole. The needless paperwork that needs to be filled in. Pupils are treated as pieces of data and success not often celebrated or not celebrated enough. In short it wasn't the job I fell in love with
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:43:25 PM
Teachers get a decent wage tho in my early years I took a bar job to supplement my wages. The holidays are decent but a lot of teachers do work during the holidays. However you are restricted as to when you can take holidays and going on holiday costs substantially more during half term or Easter or the summer. There been plenty of times my friends were going abroad to watch CL games and I couldn't go.
All that said I didn't leave because of it or the holidays or the pupils. If all the job involved was teaching it would be the perfect job. Marking and planning aren't enjoyable but they are part and parcel of it. I left because I fell out of love with the job as a whole. The needless paperwork that needs to be filled in. Pupils are treated as pieces of data and success not often celebrated or not celebrated enough. In short it wasn't the job I fell in love with

My wife would leave tomorrow but after more than 23 years of teaching feels she wouldnt get job security that the teaching provides, shes not thinking about the now, its about the retirement plans. Getting a job in the private sector for her will not be able to provide what her needs will be (looking after me)  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 02, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
Is that not eventually a job for the "Ex Antrim Referees Benevolent Fund" (current assets approximately £0.00)?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 02, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on May 02, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

You're not too effing busy when you can spend half your time on here.

+1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.
free foreign holidays? really?
what schools in the real world go on ski trips?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gander on May 02, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.
free foreign holidays? really?
what schools in the real world go on ski trips?

My womans school go on a ski trip every year, she never gets tho.  same teachers every year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2019, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 01, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 01, 2019, 06:44:54 PM
Not many other industries will pay you to take the summer off and Easter and Christmas etc. Most people get into teaching for the paid summer holidays and I think that is wrong.

Just the usual lazy, trite arguments from someone with no idea. Do you even have a job?

By law every employer in UK must provide their employee with 5.6 weeks or 28 days of paid holidays per year. So, your first statement is completely wrong.

So, teachers are paid for 195 days and receive 28 days of paid holidays like every other worker in UK, so 223 days per year.

With 52 weeks per year, 260 working days per year. So, teachers are not paid for 260 - 223 = 37 days per year

Teachers receive their pay like virtually every other salaried worker as 12 equal monthly payments to lower the employers monthly outlay rather than just according to the days works per month and the 28 paid holidays.

So, again you are completely wrong about paid holidays.  Teachers have 37 days per year for which they are not paid. Do not confuse spreading salary payments across the year with being paid for these unpaid days.

This makes no sense. God help your students. You have no understanding of business.

Explain or is it too difficult for you to understand.  It's not business its employment law and regulations.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 02, 2019, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: gander on May 02, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 02, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.
free foreign holidays? really?
what schools in the real world go on ski trips?

My womans school go on a ski trip every year, she never gets tho.  same teachers every year

As cushy a number as Teaching is, I can't think of much worse things than bring a group of teens away on holidays!! I'd be wanted danger money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2019, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

The academic year runs from 1st July to 30th June for school admissions
The academic year runs from 1st September to 31st August for teachers' pay and increments.
The calendar year runs from 1st January to 31st December.

Which one is the longest?

Every one of these years is 12 months long. Hence the use of the term year.

Let's give you a concrete example:

1st September 2001 start teaching paid on M1 from that date
1st September 2002 move to M2 – after one year working
1st September 2003 move to M3 – after two years working
1st September 2004 move to M4 – after completing 3 years
1st September 2005 move to M5 – after completing 4 years
1st September 2006 move to M6 – after completing 5 years
1st September 2007 move to UPS1 after completing assessment and 6 years
1st September 2008 remain on UPS1 after completing 7 years
1st September 2009 move to UPS2 after being assessed and completing 8 years
1st September 2010 remain on UPS2 after completing 9 years
1st September 2011 move to UPS3 after being assessed and completing 10 years of teaching
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on May 02, 2019, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.
Knock your pan in all you like, it's your choice.  Can never understand people whinging about other people's jobs.  It's your choice what you do.  Fair play to teachers if that's the path they chose at 18.  It was available to all of us. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on May 02, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2019, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

The academic year runs from 1st July to 30th June for school admissions
The academic year runs from 1st September to 31st August for teachers' pay and increments.
The calendar year runs from 1st January to 31st December.

Which one is the longest?

Every one of these years is 12 months long. Hence the use of the term year.

Let's give you a concrete example:

1st September 2001 start teaching paid on M1 from that date
1st September 2002 move to M2 – after one year working
1st September 2003 move to M3 – after two years working
1st September 2004 move to M4 – after completing 3 years
1st September 2005 move to M5 – after completing 4 years
1st September 2006 move to M6 – after completing 5 years
1st September 2007 move to UPS1 after completing assessment and 6 years
1st September 2008 remain on UPS1 after completing 7 years
1st September 2009 move to UPS2 after being assessed and completing 8 years
1st September 2010 remain on UPS2 after completing 9 years
1st September 2011 move to UPS3 after being assessed and completing 10 years of teaching
Not all schools run on this pay scale. If you worked in a private or independent school you would reach the equivalent of UPS1. After that how much you progress, or not as is more often the case, depends on various factors
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

I have no idea what you are talking about either. However in regards to teaching; I am the son of two teachers, one primary and one secondary and taught secondary science for 11 years so yes, I do have a clue what I am talking about. You in the other hand are making sweeping statements which are often incorrect
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on May 02, 2019, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 02, 2019, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 01, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 30, 2019, 09:51:14 PM

It takes 12 years to get to top of pay scale
M1 to M6   takes 6 years
UPS 1 TO 3  takes 6 years  - two years per point !

Paid M1 on starting
Paid M2 after 1 year
Paid M3 after 2 years
Paid M4 after 3 years
Paid M5 after 4 years
Paid M6 after 5 years
Paid UPS1 after 6 years
Paid UPS1 after 7 years
Paid UPS2 after 8 years
Paid UPS2 after 9 years
Paid UPS3 after 10 years

12 years, are you a teacher?

Teachers pay increments are based on  the school academic year  and not the calendar year ... ...so yes it  takes 12 years to get to the top of pay grades...it isn't hard to work that out ... problem solving strategies !

The academic year runs from 1st July to 30th June for school admissions
The academic year runs from 1st September to 31st August for teachers' pay and increments.
The calendar year runs from 1st January to 31st December.

Which one is the longest?

Every one of these years is 12 months long. Hence the use of the term year.

Let's give you a concrete example:

1st September 2001 start teaching paid on M1 from that date
1st September 2002 move to M2 – after one year working
1st September 2003 move to M3 – after two years working
1st September 2004 move to M4 – after completing 3 years
1st September 2005 move to M5 – after completing 4 years
1st September 2006 move to M6 – after completing 5 years
1st September 2007 move to UPS1 after completing assessment and 6 years
1st September 2008 remain on UPS1 after completing 7 years
1st September 2009 move to UPS2 after being assessed and completing 8 years
1st September 2010 remain on UPS2 after completing 9 years
1st September 2011 move to UPS3 after being assessed and completing 10 years of teaching
Not all schools run on this pay scale. If you worked in a private or independent school you would reach the equivalent of UPS1. After that how much you progress, or not as is more often the case, depends on various factors

UPS  1 TO 2  IS A TWO YEAR CYCLE    !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

I have no idea what you are talking about either. However in regards to teaching; I am the son of two teachers, one primary and one secondary and taught secondary science for 11 years so yes, I do have a clue what I am talking about. You in the other hand are making sweeping statements which are often incorrect

How do you have a clue what you are talking about so if you have little work experience outside of teaching?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on May 02, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

What, in under fcuk, are you on about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

I have no idea what you are talking about either. However in regards to teaching; I am the son of two teachers, one primary and one secondary and taught secondary science for 11 years so yes, I do have a clue what I am talking about. You in the other hand are making sweeping statements which are often incorrect

How do you have a clue what you are talking about so if you have little work experience outside of teaching?

I'm talking about teaching, which you don't know a thing about. And how do you know what experience I do or do not have outside of teaching?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on May 03, 2019, 07:36:14 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

I have no idea what you are talking about either. However in regards to teaching; I am the son of two teachers, one primary and one secondary and taught secondary science for 11 years so yes, I do have a clue what I am talking about. You in the other hand are making sweeping statements which are often incorrect

How do you have a clue what you are talking about so if you have little work experience outside of teaching?

I'm talking about teaching, which you don't know a thing about. And how do you know what experience I do or do not have outside of teaching?

And I'm saying teachers are only able to benchmark teaching against what their utopian views of what a job should entail, most of them never have nor never will work in the private sector. Teachers share a lot of traits with unionism, they want everything for nothing in return and are willing to bring society to a halt in order to get/preserve that.

My message if very simple to teachers, suck it up or go and find a job that meets your needs - I don't think the latter is a viable option as there are very few jobs out there with the same benefits as teaching. The main issue is that a lot of people choose teaching as a career due to the summers off regardless of whether they are suited to the work or have an interest in it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2019, 07:46:07 AM
Honestly lad you need to seek some advice, I've never known a trait like this before, hatred of a profession? Is that a thing?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 03, 2019, 07:57:44 AM
they usually got a bad grade, are fuming their work was corrected in red pen or got spurned by a teacher's daughter

or maybe they just didn't work hard enough in school
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on May 03, 2019, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: Angelo on May 03, 2019, 07:36:14 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Angelo on May 02, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 02, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
In all seriousness is there another profession that does as much whinging about pay, pay scales, working environment? Serious bit of moaning. Teachers never seem to quit.
They don't have it as bad as they think. It's a good package, inc base salary. Good conditions, dry, inside, warm. Early finishes, guaranteed promotion, good holidays SOME EVEN GET TO GO ON FREE FOREIGN HOLIDAYS!!! SKI TRIP RACKETS!!! The way some are getting on here you'd think they were working in Auschwitz.
Meanwhile I'm knocking my pan in 18 hrs a day, 7 days a week running my own business. No guarantees, no safety net. No one paying my salary. No paid holidays.

Written by someone who has absolutely no idea what he or she is talking about

And you do?

Teachers generally benchmark themselves with a utopian view of work. They have hardly worked if ever in the private sector. They moan and crib about their job but rarely actually follow through in actions.

I have no idea what you are talking about either. However in regards to teaching; I am the son of two teachers, one primary and one secondary and taught secondary science for 11 years so yes, I do have a clue what I am talking about. You in the other hand are making sweeping statements which are often incorrect

How do you have a clue what you are talking about so if you have little work experience outside of teaching?

I'm talking about teaching, which you don't know a thing about. And how do you know what experience I do or do not have outside of teaching?

And I'm saying teachers are only able to benchmark teaching against what their utopian views of what a job should entail, most of them never have nor never will work in the private sector. Teachers share a lot of traits with unionism, they want everything for nothing in return and are willing to bring society to a halt in order to get/preserve that.

My message if very simple to teachers, suck it up or go and find a job that meets your needs - I don't think the latter is a viable option as there are very few jobs out there with the same benefits as teaching. The main issue is that a lot of people choose teaching as a career due to the summers off regardless of whether they are suited to the work or have an interest in it.

Oh bloody hell. Spoken again like someone who hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. How many teachers do you actually know? How many have to canvassed to find out why they went into teaching?
That message to teachers should be very anyone in any job anywhere
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: square_ball on May 03, 2019, 10:16:54 AM
Angelo is just Il Bomber Destro reborn on the board. Bomber never did like the teachers for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
Looks like teachers could be back to work in September:

QuoteBBC News NI understands there are a number of elements to the in-principle settlement including pay, reforms to the school inspection process and reviews into areas like teachers' workload.
The statement said that exact details of the proposed agreement could not yet be revealed.

"Upon receipt of a formal offer, the individual teachers' unions represented on the Northern Ireland Teaching Council will make their own arrangements for consultation with their members," it said.

"The formal offer, if accepted, will bring an end to the current industrial action in relation to teachers' pay and workload.

"In the eventuality of a formal offer being agreed, there will be a carefully managed and supported transition towards revised working practices in schools."

Also looks like there is recognition that the poor dears will find it difficult to get back to the pre-industrial action work levels and will require to be transitioned back to work!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830)

Meanwhile the big slide down to June 28th is well under way in NI, school trips in full flow, multiple sports days being hampered by the damp conditions and the DVDs are being dusted down to fill the gaps.  While those in secondary schools have long since lost their exam classes and beginning to get bored waiting for the last day.

In the south, everyone has closed the doors and gone home to wait for September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 13, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
What if the members don't vote 'yes' to the new deal!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 13, 2019, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 13, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
What if the members don't vote 'yes' to the new deal!

Could well happen. Currently there are little to no inspections going on   Most schools are boycotting and inspectors move on to the next school to be boycotted as well in all probability. Meanwhile directed time has evaporated. Teachers can head home soon after classes end and complete their directed time at a place of their choosing. Teachers appear to enjoying the benefits of the industrial action. I would imagine it would take a sizeable pay rise  to entice them from the current situation back to formal directed time  and the shadow of the inspector!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 13, 2019, 09:01:20 PM
Too early for Elf?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 13, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
Looks like teachers could be back to work in September:

QuoteBBC News NI understands there are a number of elements to the in-principle settlement including pay, reforms to the school inspection process and reviews into areas like teachers' workload.
The statement said that exact details of the proposed agreement could not yet be revealed.

"Upon receipt of a formal offer, the individual teachers' unions represented on the Northern Ireland Teaching Council will make their own arrangements for consultation with their members," it said.

"The formal offer, if accepted, will bring an end to the current industrial action in relation to teachers' pay and workload.

"In the eventuality of a formal offer being agreed, there will be a carefully managed and supported transition towards revised working practices in schools."

Also looks like there is recognition that the poor dears will find it difficult to get back to the pre-industrial action work levels and will require to be transitioned back to work!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830)

Meanwhile the big slide down to June 28th is well under way in NI, school trips in full flow, multiple sports days being hampered by the damp conditions and the DVDs are being dusted down to fill the gaps.  While those in secondary schools have long since lost their exam classes and beginning to get bored waiting for the last day.

In the south, everyone has closed the doors and gone home to wait for September.

Your tone suggests you don't have much time for teachers!! Am I correct in this ?

Also, did you state in a previous post that you were an ex principal or am  I mixing you up with another poster?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 13, 2019, 10:18:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2019, 09:01:20 PM
Too early for Elf?

Never.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 13, 2019, 10:19:10 PM
Principals being asked to calculate the time budgets of individual teachers by the unions. This is going to be fun......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2019, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 13, 2019, 10:19:10 PM
Principals being asked to calculate the time budgets of individual teachers by the unions. This is going to be fun......

It is a sure recipe for disaster. By regulation through TNC 2011/8, it is something that should have been operated for a long time as the principal must be able to account for the 1265 hours for all teachers.  When it comes down to accounting for this  time teachers will want to include planning and marking but according to the agreement on contracted time, this is time additional to the 1265 hours. 

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/publications/workload-agreement (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/publications/workload-agreement)

Unless the unions have managed to have planning, preparation and marking included in the 1265 in contrast to the Jordanstown Agreement, using time budgets will be a recipe for conflict. So, the new agreement needs to replace TNC 2011/8.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2019, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 13, 2019, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2019, 08:08:09 AM
Looks like teachers could be back to work in September:

QuoteBBC News NI understands there are a number of elements to the in-principle settlement including pay, reforms to the school inspection process and reviews into areas like teachers' workload.
The statement said that exact details of the proposed agreement could not yet be revealed.

"Upon receipt of a formal offer, the individual teachers' unions represented on the Northern Ireland Teaching Council will make their own arrangements for consultation with their members," it said.

"The formal offer, if accepted, will bring an end to the current industrial action in relation to teachers' pay and workload.

"In the eventuality of a formal offer being agreed, there will be a carefully managed and supported transition towards revised working practices in schools."

Also looks like there is recognition that the poor dears will find it difficult to get back to the pre-industrial action work levels and will require to be transitioned back to work!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48614830)

Meanwhile the big slide down to June 28th is well under way in NI, school trips in full flow, multiple sports days being hampered by the damp conditions and the DVDs are being dusted down to fill the gaps.  While those in secondary schools have long since lost their exam classes and beginning to get bored waiting for the last day.

In the south, everyone has closed the doors and gone home to wait for September.

Your tone suggests you don't have much time for teachers!! Am I correct in this ?

Also, did you state in a previous post that you were an ex principal or am  I mixing you up with another poster?

::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 14, 2019, 06:09:55 AM
Is that a Yes or a No, Owen?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Over the Bar on June 16, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Everyone I went to school with who couldn't get into any of their Uni choices  or simply failed A-levels went on to teach. Enough said! Most did ok out of it. ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 16, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 16, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Everyone I went to school with who couldn't get into any of their Uni choices  or simply failed A-levels went on to teach. Enough said! Most did ok out of it. ;D


Anyone with half a brain wouldn't have written that post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Teachers get very testy when scrutinised.

They have a brass neck to play the poor mouth.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 17, 2019, 11:05:26 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 16, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Everyone I went to school with who couldn't get into any of their Uni choices  or simply failed A-levels went on to teach. Enough said! Most did ok out of it. ;D

How did they get onto a teaching course with failed A Levels
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 17, 2019, 11:05:26 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 16, 2019, 02:31:05 AM
Everyone I went to school with who couldn't get into any of their Uni choices  or simply failed A-levels went on to teach. Enough said! Most did ok out of it. ;D

How did they get onto a teaching course with failed A Levels

Don't ask him difficult questions he can't answer, he'll think you are a teacher and he's back in the classroom!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 17, 2019, 08:41:56 PM
Some teachers will unfortunately not be getting it handy as EA and CCMS move to consult on the closure of 22 schools:

The 22 schools identified as having sustainability issues are:

St Joseph's PS, Killough

St Joseph's PS, Downpatrick

St Mary's PS, Saintfield

Blackwater Integrated College, Downpatrick

The High School, Ballynahinch

Drelincourt Infants School, Armagh

St Peter's & St Paul's PS, Dungiven

Ballougry PS, Derry

St Brigid's PS, Gortin

St Peter's PS, Plumbridge

St Eugene's PS, Victoria Bridge

Dromore PS

Queen Elizabeth II PS, Trillick

Drumlish PS, Dromore

Tummery PS, Dromore

Drumduff PS, Sixmilecross

Kilross PS, Tobermore

St Joseph's PS, Caledon

St Malachy's PS, Magherafelt

St Mary's PS, Fivemiletown

Kingsmills PS

St Anne's Donaghadee
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 17, 2019, 09:21:38 PM
Dont worry about that too much ! CCMS  look after their own. Transferred redundancies will be readily available to those who wish to be retained !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Any Irish teachers or anyone fluent can help with a query?
When translating counties such as Down and Meath; what's the story with the "An"?  Do I put An Dun or just Dun? ( fadas missing)  I'm listing all 32, if that makes any difference?  Thanks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 28, 2019, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Any Irish teachers or anyone fluent can help with a query?
When translating counties such as Down and Meath; what's the story with the "An"?  Do I put An Dun or just Dun? ( fadas missing)  I'm listing all 32, if that makes any difference?  Thanks
Luckily you got the question in today or they'd refuse to answer until September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 04:43:25 PM
Some websites leave the AN out, does that make the translation wrong?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 28, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 28, 2019, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Any Irish teachers or anyone fluent can help with a query?
When translating counties such as Down and Meath; what's the story with the "An"?  Do I put An Dun or just Dun? ( fadas missing)  I'm listing all 32, if that makes any difference?  Thanks
Luckily you got the question in today or they'd refuse to answer until September.

I'm going to seek advice from my union first!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 28, 2019, 04:43:25 PM
Some websites leave the AN out, does that make the translation wrong?
Yes.
Thank you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day

Wasn't great for me. Our school closed at 11 30 but I didn't get away until after 2 because I had to sort out a computer issue. Tarra it was. Imagine working during your holidays !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
"Had to"

::)

Yes had to otherwise the secretary couldn't get her work done
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 10:38:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 10:08:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 28, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
"Had to"

::)

Yes had to otherwise the secretary couldn't get her work done
Pity.

Was ket hi !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 28, 2019, 11:28:16 PM
Four weeks left for me. Doing a lock of copying and pasting here tonight for the reports
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 11:47:22 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on June 28, 2019, 11:28:16 PM
Four weeks left for me. Doing a lock of copying and pasting here tonight for the reports

He to she and vice versa. Reads tarra if you forget.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 29, 2019, 12:10:07 AM
The religion section of reports are the biggest load of balls you'll ever read!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on June 29, 2019, 01:25:15 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 29, 2019, 12:10:07 AM
The religion section of reports are the biggest load of balls you'll ever read!

The remember the day Jim Stynes emailed me his CCCCCCRRRRRSSSS Essays. Sound as a pound lad, thanks.

I've actually gone on to become head of RE in our school. But it is a state school so RE us not worth two shits.

We kid filling in his end of year sheet in my class, , stating what he liked...

"I really enjoyed learning stories from other cultures, especially the book 'Journey to Jo'berg'. It was great because we learnt about racism and things in South Africa. Then Mr. $:&;&@/@ would tell us his own stories from where he was from about the army and cops back in Ireland and his stories would last forever and take up loads of time"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day

Wasn't great for me. Our school closed at 11 30 but I didn't get away until after 2 because I had to sort out a computer issue. Tarra it was. Imagine working during your holidays !!!

Not sure if you are in NI but strike action prevents teachers from doing such administration work. Surely you make your point by walking out and telling the secretary to call computer support.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 29, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day

Wasn't great for me. Our school closed at 11 30 but I didn't get away until after 2 because I had to sort out a computer issue. Tarra it was. Imagine working during your holidays !!!

Not sure if you are in NI but strike action prevents teachers from doing such administration work. Surely you make your point by walking out and telling the secretary to call computer support.

You're right but she's good looking and I'm trying to get off with her
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 29, 2019, 11:24:36 AM
*turns on notifications for this thread*
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 29, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day

Wasn't great for me. Our school closed at 11 30 but I didn't get away until after 2 because I had to sort out a computer issue. Tarra it was. Imagine working during your holidays !!!

Not sure if you are in NI but strike action prevents teachers from doing such administration work. Surely you make your point by walking out and telling the secretary to call computer support.

You're right but she's good looking and I'm trying to get off with her

How's that going for you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 29, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 29, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 29, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
What a day

Wasn't great for me. Our school closed at 11 30 but I didn't get away until after 2 because I had to sort out a computer issue. Tarra it was. Imagine working during your holidays !!!

Not sure if you are in NI but strike action prevents teachers from doing such administration work. Surely you make your point by walking out and telling the secretary to call computer support.

You're right but she's good looking and I'm trying to get off with her

How's that going for you?

Not sure. I ll be back in on Monday to check the computer  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 03, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
It's tight going all the same lads!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redcard on August 01, 2019, 09:48:08 AM
Can't believe it's August. Isn't the summer flying!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: knockitdown on August 01, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts lads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49177327
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 01, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
August is like one big long Sunday night
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 01, 2019, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 01, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts lads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49177327

And we will still struggle to get a sub in to cover some classes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: rodney trotter on August 02, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Arsenal supposedly in talks with Coutinho, 2 year loan. Tierney to be confirmed before deadline.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 03, 2019, 08:27:37 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 01, 2019, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 01, 2019, 10:09:33 AM
Enjoy it while it lasts lads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49177327

And we will still struggle to get a sub in to cover some classes.
Shortage of teachers down south

They are all heading to the middle east
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on August 03, 2019, 08:28:08 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Arsenal supposedly in talks with Coutinho, 2 year loan. Tierney to be confirmed before deadline.

Whoops, lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 03, 2019, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Arsenal supposedly in talks with Coutinho, 2 year loan. Tierney to be confirmed before deadline.

Hey, Dave, you're never going to make it as a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 03, 2019, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2019, 11:40:21 PM
Arsenal supposedly in talks with Coutinho, 2 year loan. Tierney to be confirmed before deadline.

Looks like someone has got his multiple names in a twist. Who could be an Arsenal supporting teacher?

::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 23, 2019, 04:58:59 PM
Well as our teaching friends traipse back to school over the coming week with heavy hearts, at least our local papers are keeping them in the public eye with stories like this from Fintona.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/claim-teacher-wrote-on-pupils-head-with-marker-probed-38428314.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/claim-teacher-wrote-on-pupils-head-with-marker-probed-38428314.html)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 23, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
They will all trudge back in &  then throw a sicky...6 months' full & 6 months's half (probably)? Terrible!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 23, 2019, 09:38:25 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on August 23, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
They will all trudge back in &  then throw a sicky...6 months' full & 6 months's half (probably)? Terrible!


All of them ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Starting my 21st year. Wanted to be an astronaut.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 24, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Starting my 21st year. Wanted to be an astronaut.

Better pension as a teacher & no ould Apollo 13 type risks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 24, 2019, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Starting my 21st year. Wanted to be an astronaut.

You seem a bit of a spacer alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 25, 2019, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Starting my 21st year. Wanted to be an astronaut.

Best of luck!

Start of the year is always hard going to get through the crap, seemingly pointless training days but back in the classroom with the door shut you will soon be back in the groove counting down the days to Halloween.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 25, 2019, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 23, 2019, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 23, 2019, 04:58:59 PM
Well as our teaching friends traipse back to school over the coming week with heavy hearts, at least our local papers are keeping them in the public eye with stories like this from Fintona.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/claim-teacher-wrote-on-pupils-head-with-marker-probed-38428314.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/claim-teacher-wrote-on-pupils-head-with-marker-probed-38428314.html)
*cough!*
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5587.msg1921136#msg1921136

Sorry! Didn't see that.

But even by Fintona standards this is a strange one.  Incident must have occurred months ago, why only surfacing now?  What sort of brain freeze occurred with the teacher if the details of the story are true?

Never heard of a teacher writing on a child with a marker. There was a case in a neighbouring school with an ongoing building site where a teacher marked the headmaster's welly boots with large L and R to make sure he had them on the correct feet. (A Jimmy Cricket reference for those old enough to remember)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on August 25, 2019, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on August 24, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Starting my 21st year. Wanted to be an astronaut.

Better pension as a teacher & no ould Apollo 13 type risks.

Apollo 13 wouldn't worry me, at least they survived. Apollo 1 would be more scary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on August 25, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
The teacher pensions will be OK too. Pumped a whole lot more money into them recently , apparently. Heads constantly on the radio, moaning about how they haven't enough money to run their schools & what's the priority? ? Pension costs!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 25, 2019, 01:03:51 PM
Anyone want to send me their Primary 6/7 planning  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 25, 2019, 06:14:19 PM
Another version is that a post it note was stuck on child's forehead with the writing on it   No marker involved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on September 16, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
School principals in the north might go on strike. Quite bizarre. Will anyone notice?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49709991 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49709991)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: playwiththewind1st on September 16, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
You can be quite sure it will be "action short of a strike", so that they don't lose a day's pay out of their inflated salaries. School budgets in a mess? Big headteacher salaries account for a sizeable part of that little problem.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 16, 2019, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: playwiththewind1st on September 16, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
You can be quite sure it will be "action short of a strike", so that they don't lose a day's pay out of their inflated salaries. School budgets in a mess? Big headteacher salaries account for a sizeable part of that little problem.

No teacher is losing any salary with their current industrial action. No reason why principals shouldn't do the same.

Heads' salaries are not the issue, only one per school. Problem due to:

1. Real terms decreases in budgets each year since 2012. Allowing ministers to claim there have been no decreases in the amount of money being paid to schools.

2. Around 60% of the £2.1bn budget for education is actually paid to school budgets. Compared to GB where over 85% of the DE budget arrives in schools.

3. Any increases in pay since 2012 for teachers or ancillary staff has been taken from existing budgets, increases in employers contributions for pensions of teachers and ancillary staff have been taken from existing budgets. Only this year has new money been put into budgets to assist with pension contributions for employers. Now paying 20% of gross pay of ancillary staff and 24% of gross pay of teachers back into pension schemes. Schools also pay 14% of gross pay into National Insurance.

4. All inflationary increases in heat/light/supplies have had to be absorbed in static funding scenario.

But sure why look at the evidence when a glib and false comment can be made.


Quote from: Orior on September 16, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
School principals in the north might go on strike. Quite bizarre. Will anyone notice?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49709991 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49709991)

Almost every primary school principal is already on strike. Most CCMS school principals are members of INTO so also on strike. In controlled schools the principals mostly belong to UTU and are already on strike.

This creates an issue of principals running with the hares and hunting with the hounds as they answer to Boards of Governors and have a say in the strike action.

In secondary schools, the principals in most non-selective schools are members of NAHT which has decided to ballot for strike action.  Another block are the principals of selective schools who are almost all members of ASCL.

There are a few principals in secondary schools who are members of INTO/UTU/NASUWT/NEU and they are using their position to attend union meetings by right but are actually the management of the school who are the target of the striking teachers. A bit sneaky but they know what they are doing and so should their staff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 24, 2020, 08:17:32 PM
How we all getting on lads?
ClassDojo and Google Classroom for me. I was in school today babysitting though so I just did my work from school and worked on my coordinator files and my planners for September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2020, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 24, 2020, 08:17:32 PM
How we all getting on lads?
ClassDojo and Google Classroom for me. I was in school today babysitting though so I just did my work from school and worked on my coordinator files and my planners for September.

4 kids in my wife's school of 1200! She's in tomorrow afternoon! Busy responding to students emails and working on next online material.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Newbridge Exile on March 25, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
Our school ( Primary) is using the Seesaw class app for submitting work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 25, 2020, 11:51:12 AM
I've had 6 kills on Fortnite.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 25, 2020, 04:57:54 PM
21 out of a school of 600. In this week and off for three weeks.

I'm giving out out about 1 hr 1/2 of work a day (max) while other teachers in my year have sent out timetables of work from 9-3.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 25, 2020, 05:11:21 PM
I salute all the teachers who have stepped up to the mark by returning to work this week from long term sickness (and half pay) to play their selfless part in the fight against covid-19.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......

It's no real difference to teachers who get pregnant at certain times of the year so maternity is finished about 20th of June  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 25, 2020, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......

It's no real difference to teachers who get pregnant at certain times of the year so maternity is finished about 20th of June  ;)

It's massively different. Despicable, actually.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on March 25, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......

It's no real difference to teachers who get pregnant at certain times of the year so maternity is finished about 20th of June  ;)

That's good shooting if you ask me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 25, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
Well planned lol. Completely different too. Making the most of maternity leave very different from just being out and out dishonest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 25, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: Orior on March 25, 2020, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......

It's no real difference to teachers who get pregnant at certain times of the year so maternity is finished about 20th of June  ;)

That's good shooting if you ask me.
It's tellng me how often MR2 gets a bit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 08:57:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 25, 2020, 06:57:56 PM
I mentioned one in the Coronavirus thread. Had been off ages had just started discussing phased return then lo and behold changes it to full time a week or so ago. Then unavailable to help out on a rota due to her childs medical condition (the only bit thats half justified).

Off ages with bad ankle yet managed a 13mile run at weekend there......

It's no real difference to teachers who get pregnant at certain times of the year so maternity is finished about 20th of June  ;)

What ye bringin my wife into this for MR2 😃😉
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2020, 09:36:11 PM
The  ;) was a hint that I was taking the piss!

Christ we are very sensitive!

We got lucky  ;D

Not good timing for the minor team though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on March 25, 2020, 11:11:55 PM
Teachers no longer have to return before  30 june. They can just sign themselves fit for work on 1 july!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BenDover on March 26, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: delgany on March 25, 2020, 11:11:55 PM
Teachers no longer have to return before  30 june. They can just sign themselves fit for work on 1 july!
how much time do you think kids should be spending doing some of the school work that was sent home? I do a daily plan for my 2 last approx 1.5-2hours. They attend a bunscoil so I'd prefer them to focus more on the obair as gaeilge, and my other thing is to get them reading their Irish books out loud so they can keep practising their oral skills.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on March 26, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
2 hours is the max for a P4 to P7 child . Maybe an  hour p1 to p3. The rest of the time I'd be letting them engage in play , creative arts , music , outdoor play ( in the garden) , things that will occupy them , outdoor camps / tents / learn more code / coding activities. Most school have sent a lorry loads of stuff to access for ideas.
I view this as a sabbatical for children . Times are scary enough ,without stressing about their learning , most of them will be in school to their 18, so plenty of time to catch up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on March 26, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 26, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
2 hours is the max for a P4 to P7 child . Maybe an  hour p1 to p3. The rest of the time I'd be letting in engage in play , creative arts , music , outdoor play ( in the garden) , things that will occupy them , outdoor camps / tents / learn more code / coding activities. Most school have sent a lorry load of stuff to access for ideas.
I view this as a sabbatical for children . Times are scary enough ,without stressing about their learning , most of them will be in school to their 18, so plenty of time to catch up

Spot on.

I take a p6 class here in Liverpool, I've given them

-30 mins reading
-20 mins handwriting
-Online Maths activity ( roughly take 20/25 mins)
-English Comprehension ( roughly 25 mins)

I think that is enough. Or possibly too much 

There's a teacher with me lad, and she a timetable out for the kids, from 9-3. Saying do maths between 9-10 , English 10:30-11. f**king mental.



And I don't have two f**king hoots if it is done or not
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on March 26, 2020, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on March 26, 2020, 03:28:16 PM
2 hours is the max for a P4 to P7 child . Maybe an  hour p1 to p3. The rest of the time I'd be letting them engage in play , creative arts , music , outdoor play ( in the garden) , things that will occupy them , outdoor camps / tents / learn more code / coding activities. Most school have sent a lorry load of stuff to access for ideas.
I view this as a sabbatical for children . Times are scary enough ,without stressing about their learning , most of them will be in school to their 18, so plenty of time to catch up

100% Delgany. Super post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 08, 2020, 03:51:12 PM

Well did you all see the big deal we are getting  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 03:57:21 PM
INTO  are recommending it.So financially it is as good as it will be. The T & Cs are a better outcome , a few things to be finalised. The time allocation budget is a positive for teachers. Planning Preparation Allocation is a good thing , how this is funded will be of an interest to the management.
Overall , it is time to settle the on- going dispute , it looks like pay parity is restored looking at the figures and T&C's are more favourable. Plus they've got rid of Noelle Buick !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 03:57:21 PM
INTO  are recommending it.So financially it is as good as it will be. The T & Cs are a better outcome , a few things to be finalised. The time allocation budget is a positive for teachers. Planning Preparation Allocation is a good thing , how this is funded will be of an interest to the management.
Overall , it is time to settle the on- going dispute , it looks like pay parity is restored looking at the figures and T&C's are more favourable. Plus they've got rid of Noelle Buick !

Any back pay?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 03:57:21 PM
INTO  are recommending it.So financially it is as good as it will be. The T & Cs are a better outcome , a few things to be finalised. The time allocation budget is a positive for teachers. Planning Preparation Allocation is a good thing , how this is funded will be of an interest to the management.
Overall , it is time to settle the on- going dispute , it looks like pay parity is restored looking at the figures and T&C's are more favourable. Plus they've got rid of Noelle Buick !

Any back pay?

Back dated pay as follows
2.25% for 2017
2%  for 2018
Already accepted
1%  for 2019.

The  pay deal would reflect pay parity with UK teachers in 2017 - 2018. A teacher on UPS 3 would get roughly a months salary in back pay .

Nobody will get rich but it is an agreeable amount. The T& C are of more interest to teaching staff .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 06:32:51 PM
The increase & back pay figures were known around this time last year.
Most, if not all teachers I spoke to were rejecting it. The main reason being that it wasn't nearly enough to buy them out of the current industrial action. Even with the changes in T&Cs, I can't see how that doesn't still stand.

The spectacular timing of it will p***k a few consciences though, as it was designed I imagine. I mean, how could you possibly ask for more given the current circumstances?!

Then again, if it wasn't enough a year ago, why is it enough today? Here's a idea, keep your money. Give it to the health service - they're in dire need. For now, industrial action will do.

Who knows what way it'll go.

Agreed on timing.
A £3000  back pay  lump sum , is relatively  a good return. Anybody who thought they would get any substantial amount above that are being unrealistic.Pay parity has been achieved - it wasn't going to be any higher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 07:39:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 07:16:43 PM
Is it worth coming off industrial action for?

That is the fight people are going to have with themselves. A lot of people have gotten used to it. As I said, this time last year people didn't seem prepared to.

That might have changed.

I think the unions have won all their substantive demands regarding  T & C. They were the central component imo.
There isn't any more wriggle room available there. I would say that T & C are acceptable and on a par with UK. PPA  equates to 1 day a fortnight of non - contact . End of key stage assessments to be flushed and teacher time budget allocated. 
£75 million had been set aside to settle the pay increases, this was agreed by Finance dept . I cant see any major changes from this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 07:16:43 PM
Is it worth coming off industrial action for?

That is the fight people are going to have with themselves. A lot of people have gotten used to it. As I said, this time last year people didn't seem prepared to.

That might have changed.

If teachers sign up for this - be prepared for all the inspections and more waffle like this.  It'll be pay back time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 07:16:43 PM
Is it worth coming off industrial action for?

That is the fight people are going to have with themselves. A lot of people have gotten used to it. As I said, this time last year people didn't seem prepared to.

That might have changed.

If teachers sign up for this - be prepared for all the inspections and more waffle like this.  It'll be pay back time.

Sure they havent been doing any inspections, and most teachers are prepared..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
Inspection services will change to a more "advisory / pastoral/ school - led " approach. Unions dug in their heels  to get shot of chief inspector Buick, which was achieved. Inspection changes are part of the T & C changes - for the better!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

But if she's doing her job properly she shouldn't be worrying
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

But if she's doing her job properly she shouldn't be worrying
Correct.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.

True - we'll be with you on Tuesday 16th at 9am. For the 2/3 weeks before, the lights are on until 10pm every night.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 09, 2020, 02:27:50 PM
In Liverpool we're a hub school. This means a lot of the other primary schools in the area have closed down and we act as the main school for this area.

Previously, we were open 9-4 for previous two weeks and had 30 kids (including kids from other schools, we have a total of 600 in the primary school). This week we are open from 7-7 and we had 12 kids in Mon-Wed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.

True - we'll be with you on Tuesday 16th at 9am. For the 2/3 weeks before, the lights are on until 10pm every night.

Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on April 09, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.

True - we'll be with you on Tuesday 16th at 9am. For the 2/3 weeks before, the lights are on until 10pm every night.

Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Inspections operate differently in England. The school will receive a phone call from Ofsted before 2pm to let them know that they'll be in the school for the next two days. The call cannot happen on Thursday or Friday, as inspections last for two consecutive days and the weekend cannot be used for prep time. Staff have to be 'inspection ready'. One of the first questions and inspector will ask the kids is 'are lessons normally like this?'  Or 'tell me about a normal lesson'
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.

True - we'll be with you on Tuesday 16th at 9am. For the 2/3 weeks before, the lights are on until 10pm every night.

Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Sure there are drive by inspections all the time. Departmental and wholeschool also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Sure there are drive by inspections all the time. Departmental and wholeschool also.

Why aren't they the only kind of inspections?

An "inspection" with a 2-3 week notice period is not a quality inspection. No one should be fooled into thinking it is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 09, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Sure there are drive by inspections all the time. Departmental and wholeschool also.

Why aren't they the only kind of inspections?

An "inspection" with a 2-3 week notice period is not a quality inspection. No one should be fooled into thinking it is.

Difference north and south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 09, 2020, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 09, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Sure there are drive by inspections all the time. Departmental and wholeschool also.

Why aren't they the only kind of inspections?

An "inspection" with a 2-3 week notice period is not a quality inspection. No one should be fooled into thinking it is.

Difference north and south?

There are three types in North
1. A focused inspection between 2 and 4 days in duration with up to 3  inspectors , with 2 weeks notification, with 1 pre visit.  No.of days depends on size of school.
2.Sustaining improvement inspection  1 or 2 days,  2 inspectors,  two days notice.
3. Unannounced Inspection - shit has hit the fan -

Has school inspection actually started in South?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 09, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Sure there are drive by inspections all the time. Departmental and wholeschool also.

Why aren't they the only kind of inspections?

An "inspection" with a 2-3 week notice period is not a quality inspection. No one should be fooled into thinking it is.

A drive by inspection gives no notice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 10, 2020, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: Estimator on April 09, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2020, 02:45:15 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 08, 2020, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Certainly there are guidelines.  Inspectors role is to quality assure that schools are on a cycle of continuous self improvement , that actually brings about measured improvement.
The way the system works at present is a false economy - everyone bursts themselves for two weeks previous to visit . A streamlined visit in a new era will see inspectors as a critical friend , who visits on a more regular basis.
If teachers cant deal with that , then they should move on to something else.

True - we'll be with you on Tuesday 16th at 9am. For the 2/3 weeks before, the lights are on until 10pm every night.

Yep - inspections should be - "good morning, we're here to do some inspections of whatever classes are available".

Its the only industry in the world where quality control is done with 3 weeks notice.

Inspections operate differently in England. The school will receive a phone call from Ofsted before 2pm to let them know that they'll be in the school for the next two days. The call cannot happen on Thursday or Friday, as inspections last for two consecutive days and the weekend cannot be used for prep time. Staff have to be 'inspection ready'. One of the first questions and inspector will ask the kids is 'are lessons normally like this?'  Or 'tell me about a normal lesson'

Last time I marked a science , Geography or history book 😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Orior on April 10, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
Sorry if this was posted earlier, but I think its hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?edufilter=NULL&v=BSxM6_zEw2k
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 10, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

But if she's doing her job properly she shouldn't be worrying
Correct.

Baloney bed frosty this weekend after she sees this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 10, 2020, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 10, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

But if she's doing her job properly she shouldn't be worrying
Correct.

Baloney bed frosty this weekend after she sees this.
I have been married nearly 20 years so well used to it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works to retirement  getsv£52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 10, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works out  at £52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

They are a load of waffle.

Is any parent not going to send their pupil to a local school because of reading a 3 page inspection report with satisfactory or good on it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 10, 2020, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 10, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works out  at £52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

They are a load of waffle.

Is any parent not going to send their pupil to a local school because of reading a 3 page inspection report with satisfactory or good on it?

100% agree -
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 11, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works to retirement  getsv£52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

Currently  there is no regimented directed time as such so teachers are not compelled to remaining  in school doing laborious paperwork with the fear that this may be looked at by an inspector in the weeks or months ahead and tearing it to shreds. Have  the threat  of an inspection hanging over your head begins at the start of September and remains right through the school year. Every day teachers are aware that everything that goes into a pupils exercise book may well be scrutinised by an inspector.  Every word of every planner they put together comes under the same threat.
This constant shadow of the impending inspector has been lifted since the industrial action began. Teachers have become more relaxed in their job and some are saying they are really enjoying the experience for the first time in their lives. Good teaching and good planning  is still done of course but the constant fear and worry has gone with the boycott of inspections   
I ll be voting no in this ballot. The extra buttons I would receive in the event of it being accepted would not  be worth the everyday stress which would ensue and let's not forget it ll be handed right back and more on top,  when the government come looking the millions back that  they have forked out due to the virus !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 11, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 11, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works to retirement  getsv£52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

Currently  there is no regimented directed time as such so teachers are not compelled to remaining  in school doing laborious paperwork with the fear that this may be looked at by an inspector in the weeks or months ahead and tearing it to shreds. Have  the threat  of an inspection hanging over your head begins at the start of September and remains right through the school year. Every day teachers are aware that everything that goes into a pupils exercise book may well be scrutinised by an inspector.  Every word of every planner they put together comes under the same threat.
This constant shadow of the impending inspector has been lifted since the industrial action began. Teachers have become more relaxed in their job and some are saying they are really enjoying the experience for the first time in their lives. Good teaching and good planning  is still done of course but the constant fear and worry has gone with the boycott of inspections   
I ll be voting no in this ballot. The extra buttons I would receive in the event of it being accepted would not  be worth the everyday stress which would ensue and let's not forget it ll be handed right back and more on top,  when the government come looking the millions back that  they have forked out due to the virus !!!

Jim bob, you make it sound like a police-state in your establishment . I accept that there is a level of accountability but I do think you protest too much.
If the teaching is good , paper work is a side issue.
So you are happy to turn down a pay rise , increased long term earnings , improved pension pot but are content to pay additional taxes to pay for the covid -19 ! I cant figure that one !
I am more than happy to accept the outcome negotiated by the Unions. I think newly qualified teachers and older teachers will more than likely accepted the deal ,as the financial incentives are enough to cope with an inspection every 3/4 years .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 11, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 11, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works to retirement  getsv£52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

Currently  there is no regimented directed time as such so teachers are not compelled to remaining  in school doing laborious paperwork with the fear that this may be looked at by an inspector in the weeks or months ahead and tearing it to shreds. Have  the threat  of an inspection hanging over your head begins at the start of September and remains right through the school year. Every day teachers are aware that everything that goes into a pupils exercise book may well be scrutinised by an inspector.  Every word of every planner they put together comes under the same threat.
This constant shadow of the impending inspector has been lifted since the industrial action began. Teachers have become more relaxed in their job and some are saying they are really enjoying the experience for the first time in their lives. Good teaching and good planning  is still done of course but the constant fear and worry has gone with the boycott of inspections   
I ll be voting no in this ballot. The extra buttons I would receive in the event of it being accepted would not  be worth the everyday stress which would ensue and let's not forget it ll be handed right back and more on top,  when the government come looking the millions back that  they have forked out due to the virus !!!

A lot of teachers get caught up in their own self-importance!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on April 11, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on April 11, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 11, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: delgany on April 10, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on April 10, 2020, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2020, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
If teachers are doing their job properly they should have nothing to fear come inspection time.
Who decides what "properly" is?
The inspectorate. Are there no guidelines against which you are judged? Our business is inspected against a set of guidelines and requirements so we know what "properly" means.

The missus says the pay rise for her isn't worth the hassle of an inspection!

Your missus would represent the view of most teachers !!!

So do you think teachers will not accept a pay rise and new terms and conditions because of a school inspection which happens every 3 or 4 years ?

Maybe the long term impact of the agreement needs to be considered. INTO  have calculated that a teacher aged 35 , who works to retirement  getsv£52 000 in extra earnings , a 45 yr old - 35 000 and a 55 yr old - £22 000. This would also have a significant impact on a pension accrual.

There is too much emphasis on Inspections - I've never had a problem with them . It's a bit of additional work but if you work in a well - run school , inspection aren't a big issue.

Currently  there is no regimented directed time as such so teachers are not compelled to remaining  in school doing laborious paperwork with the fear that this may be looked at by an inspector in the weeks or months ahead and tearing it to shreds. Have  the threat  of an inspection hanging over your head begins at the start of September and remains right through the school year. Every day teachers are aware that everything that goes into a pupils exercise book may well be scrutinised by an inspector.  Every word of every planner they put together comes under the same threat.
This constant shadow of the impending inspector has been lifted since the industrial action began. Teachers have become more relaxed in their job and some are saying they are really enjoying the experience for the first time in their lives. Good teaching and good planning  is still done of course but the constant fear and worry has gone with the boycott of inspections   
I ll be voting no in this ballot. The extra buttons I would receive in the event of it being accepted would not  be worth the everyday stress which would ensue and let's not forget it ll be handed right back and more on top,  when the government come looking the millions back that  they have forked out due to the virus !!!

Jim bob, you make it sound like a police-state in your establishment . I accept that there is a level of accountability but I do think you protest too much.
If the teaching is good , paper work is a side issue.
So you are happy to turn down a pay rise , increased long term earnings , improved pension pot but are content to pay additional taxes to pay for the covid -19 ! I cant figure that one !
I am more than happy to accept the outcome negotiated by the Unions. I think newly qualified teachers and older teachers will more than likely accepted the deal ,as the financial incentives are enough to cope with an inspection every 3/4 years .

Paperwork is not a side issue. It causes a lot of stress and great importance is placed upon it by the inspectorate.
Increased long term earnings ? Buttons you mean which as I said will be lost when Boris comes looking his payback...

As regards tax..you don't get any choice whether to pay it or not...so that's that figured for you
I don't think the financial incentives are enough to cope with an inspection every 3/4 years. if you do fair enough and if you are happy with the deal then fair enough.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 11, 2020, 07:02:08 PM
It's hardly a massive pay rise ffs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on April 11, 2020, 07:41:48 PM
Jim , did you think you would get a pay rise ,so that your salary would be higher than a teacher in UK ? The pay dispute was about pay parity and that was all, it was never going to be some massive hike, to be comparable with South.

I agree that some schools have lost the run of themselves ,when they get notice , my point would be that a well - managed school wouldnt be too concerned about an inspection.- as they should be improving incrementally.

Anyway a few  things to remember - the DE have never closed a school  with respect to a ETI report.
As someone said here,  parents dont really give a monkeys.
And surely as a professional ,a teacher should be  able to cope with a bit of criticism in an ETI report- the school will still open the next day - and you 'll still get paid 52 weeks of the year .

Anyway , everyone is entitled to make their mind up ?

How will the ballot work ?
Is it each union or is it the overall outcome for all unions?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2020, 08:22:55 PM
I'd say the inspections needs to happen, how else can you gauge what's going on in schools? How it happens needs to be sorted out, having been through 4 ETI inspections I never stressed over it, yes it can be critical but I never lost my job over it, yes it can be personal but that goes after they leave, but if you continue to do your job correctly you'll be fine.

It's every 4/5 years and not everyone is picked, the pay rise could have been a little more though.

The bureaucracy and paperwork needs looked at in fairness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 23, 2020, 04:23:30 PM
Back to work you lazy bastards!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 07:19:03 AM
Are youse happy with the result?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on April 24, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Are schools going back?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on April 24, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 24, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Are schools going back?

No they just agreed a deal with the Government over payrises and working conditions...

They'll still be off school and get their extra holidays as well.

I take it teaching staff aren't furloughed and get full pay at the minute??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 24, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Are schools going back?

No they just agreed a deal with the Government over payrises and working conditions...

They'll still be off school and get their extra holidays as well.

I take it teaching staff aren't furloughed and get full pay at the minute??

Im sending this from my classroom as we speak. I'm working hard.

No, no furlough
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on April 24, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 24, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Are schools going back?

No they just agreed a deal with the Government over payrises and working conditions...

They'll still be off school and get their extra holidays as well.

I take it teaching staff aren't furloughed and get full pay at the minute??

Im sending this from my classroom as we speak. I'm working hard.

No, no furlough

Aye, you must be flat out...on gaaboards!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
My gaaboard average post a day used to be 2.76; it's now 1.47. I'm spending less time on here. I'm actually going a bit of writing. We have 26 kids in; we're a hub school. I'm away at one. Getting my lunch here shortly from the canteen. Pepperoni 🍕 pizza.  Then off for three weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 24, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 24, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
Are schools going back?

No they just agreed a deal with the Government over payrises and working conditions...

They'll still be off school and get their extra holidays as well.

I take it teaching staff aren't furloughed and get full pay at the minute??

Im sending this from my classroom as we speak. I'm working hard.

No, no furlough
Did no teacher ever...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 24, 2020, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 24, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 24, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
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Are schools going back?

No they just agreed a deal with the Government over payrises and working conditions...

They'll still be off school and get their extra holidays as well.

I take it teaching staff aren't furloughed and get full pay at the minute??

Im sending this from my classroom as we speak. I'm working hard.

No, no furlough
Did no teacher ever...

Pepperoni 🍕 pizza was a bit of a let down; not that it wasn't nice, just got once slice like the kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on May 07, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
Looks like the Leaving cert is being cancelled. Time to put all those Teachers on the €350 like all the other people out of work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
They took long enough to make the decision. It should have been announced last Friday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on May 07, 2020, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
Looks like the Leaving cert is being cancelled. Time to put all those Teachers on the €350 like all the other people out of work.
Make them sweep the streets, be the only work some of them have ever done.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 07, 2020, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 07, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
They took long enough to make the decision. It should have been announced last Friday.
It should have been done a month ago. Correct decision in the end but they handled that pathetically.

Yes went on too long. Varadkar was asked on the late late, and said they were still intending to do exams.
He's got a lot of praise during  the pandemic, but made plenty of balls up too. Italian fans into Ireland was one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 07, 2020, 10:25:18 PM
 I would not like to be a LC teacher right now. Some pressure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Boycey on May 07, 2020, 10:59:17 PM
My lad never did his Junior Cert, now won't do a leaving Cert either. There's not too many kids that will have left second level education without sitting a state exam.

Id not like to be the teacher that has to attempt to make any kind of estimate as to how he would have done .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on May 07, 2020, 11:33:38 PM
Will unis start again in September or will it be distant/on-line learning?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2020, 11:45:23 PM
Quote from: Boycey on May 07, 2020, 10:59:17 PM
My lad never did his Junior Cert, now won't do a leaving Cert either. There's not too many kids that will have left second level education without sitting a state exam.

Id not like to be the teacher that has to attempt to make any kind of estimate as to how he would have done .

Do the schools only do one set of exams at the end of the year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on May 08, 2020, 09:39:08 AM
Without knowing a whole pile about the LC situation, I wouldn't have thought this is a great idea:

- it's a subjective, non-standard way of assessing kids, someone is going to end up unhappy and it'll end up in court
- kids who do subjects outside school, how will these be assessed?
- puts pressure on teachers, esp in smaller areas where they know the parents; you can be sure there'll be plenty who miss out by a few points and it'll be the teacher's fault
- some teachers will allow their personal judgement of a child/family to influence the grading process
- how will it be possible to have an appeals system?

I would have thought it would be possible to facilitate a standard style exam by just putting more questions on the exam e.g. students have to answer 4/9 instead of 4/6 to allow for the fact that some won't have fully covered the syllabus. Virtually all students have access to tablets / phones where teachers could put up videos, tutorials or whatever. Holding the exams would be difficult but breaking it down into smaller groups and hiring extra supervisors must be possible.

No matter what system is in place, doing the LC in whatever form is going to put additional stress on kids,

Seems from the comments on here that most would disagree with me though. TBF, it's a good while since I did the LC and I don't know anyone currently doing it though so I guess there must be other considerations that I'm not taking into account
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 09:46:13 AM
You wouldn't even have to hire extra supervisors as there is no JC. Teachers in one school small towns are under unfair pressure if they live in said town.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on May 08, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
The lack of earning potential for students during the summer is a valid concern. Would a waive of next years fee / additional grant allocation not be a solution.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
What do you mean? Who will inflate them? Why would they need to?

Because fear DEIS schools will grade higher so the posh schools want to maintain their superiority. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
What do you mean? Who will inflate them? Why would they need to?

Because fear DEIS schools will grade higher so the posh schools want to maintain their superiority.
And there is no chance that posh schools will inflate higher?

They (whoever they are) will not be allowed to inflate the grades of certain schools. Where is this talk?

There's a lecturer on about it on twitter. Was inferred by an education correspondent on radio this morning.

Irish Times say the bell curve will be followed plus school indicators. Basically private schools can give whatever they want, DEIS keep in your lane
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:33:51 AM
I very much doubt that private schools will go totally unchecked.

It's the prospect of solicitor's letters that will do the checking.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about a solicitor's letter. Teachers give a result based on the evidence they have. I don't see how wee Johnny can produce evidence to the contrary unless he has been turned over.

If a process is faulty or open to manipulation, that itself is ample grounds for a successful challenge.  https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rebecca-carter-overwhelmed-and-delighted-after-leaving-cert-score-appeal-victory-871733.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 12:23:06 PM
There is no doubt that there will be appeals and there will be faults found in some of the processes but that isn't a reflection on the teacher and in that regard, the teacher should have nothing to worry about. There is a level of professional integrity to be kept here. The process is well underway in the north at the minute and to be honest I haven't heard much of this fear from teachers.
Of course the impact won't directly fall on individual teachers, nor should it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on May 08, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
Got a lot of emails last night from students last night up in a heap.  What has annoyed me so far is announcements made without having the details ironed out in advance,  leaving a vacuum to be filled each time on social media fuelling hysteria and causing stress that could and should have been avoided.
Every year, there would always be a certain amount of 'bolters ', students that would get a result well above expectations.  Correspondingly,  there would always be one or two that, for whatever reason,  just wouldn't perform on the day.  What applying the curve and their previous averages will do is rule out deviations. 
It's all unknown territory for all stakeholders in education,  so some reassurance for the students in particular would be welcome. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
My wife has completed her grades and it's not been that difficult, a lot of it was based on previous exams the students have taken, assessments can prove very effective.

All results are subject to change and the buck stops with the awarding body who will take into consideration previous results the school has produced, appeal system is simple, take the exam if you want, when it's safe to do so
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
My wife has completed her grades and it's not been that difficult, a lot of it was based on previous exams the students have taken, assessments can prove very effective.

All results are subject to change and the buck stops with the awarding body who will take into consideration previous results the school has produced, appeal system is simple, take the exam if you want, when it's safe to do so

There is no exam available to sit though. And first year college starts in the autumn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
My wife has completed her grades and it's not been that difficult, a lot of it was based on previous exams the students have taken, assessments can prove very effective.

All results are subject to change and the buck stops with the awarding body who will take into consideration previous results the school has produced, appeal system is simple, take the exam if you want, when it's safe to do so

There is no exam available to sit though. And first year college starts in the autumn.

Apparently there's an option to sit an exam.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
What do you mean? Who will inflate them? Why would they need to?

Because fear DEIS schools will grade higher so the posh schools want to maintain their superiority.
Round Armagh it's not the posh schools likely to inflate the grades. Precedent there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
My wife has completed her grades and it's not been that difficult, a lot of it was based on previous exams the students have taken, assessments can prove very effective.

All results are subject to change and the buck stops with the awarding body who will take into consideration previous results the school has produced, appeal system is simple, take the exam if you want, when it's safe to do so

There is no exam available to sit though. And first year college starts in the autumn.

Apparently there's an option to sit an exam.

Sorry exam won't be in time for CAO offers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
My wife has completed her grades and it's not been that difficult, a lot of it was based on previous exams the students have taken, assessments can prove very effective.

All results are subject to change and the buck stops with the awarding body who will take into consideration previous results the school has produced, appeal system is simple, take the exam if you want, when it's safe to do so

There is no exam available to sit though. And first year college starts in the autumn.

Apparently there's an option to sit an exam.

Yeah they've said that but they've also said they can't hold exams because of health risks.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on May 08, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:22:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
There's talk that they will inflate the grades of good schools to maintain their status. Madness.
What do you mean? Who will inflate them? Why would they need to?

Because fear DEIS schools will grade higher so the posh schools want to maintain their superiority.
And there is no chance that posh schools will inflate higher?

They (whoever they are) will not be allowed to inflate the grades of certain schools. Where is this talk?

There's a lecturer on about it on twitter. Was inferred by an education correspondent on radio this morning.

Irish Times say the bell curve will be followed plus school indicators. Basically private schools can give whatever they want, DEIS keep in your lane

No both sets of schools will be expected  to give grades similar to previous years or explain why.

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Yeah they've said that but they've also said they can't hold exams because of health risks.  ::)

A smaller number can do exams fine, a handful in each room.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 08, 2020, 02:10:32 PM

Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Yeah they've said that but they've also said they can't hold exams because of health risks.  ::)

A smaller number can do exams fine, a handful in each room.

They can't. The exams as scheduled this summer will not happen. There is no exam to attend.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
Yeah, there are no exams this year. I think the original point made by Milltown Row was if you believe your teachers have sold you short (I'm not sure why they would), there is an appeals process for you to challenge your results and ultimately you could sit the exam next year, ace it and stand outside the school waving 2 fingers as the teachers drive in and out, if you so desire.

The option to repeat the year is there for everyone anyway regardless of any appeal process but few people will be happy putting their lives on hold for a year except as a last resort.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
Yeah, there are no exams this year. I think the original point made by Milltown Row was if you believe your teachers have sold you short (I'm not sure why they would), there is an appeals process for you to challenge your results and ultimately you could sit the exam next year, ace it and stand outside the school waving 2 fingers as the teachers drive in and out, if you so desire.

The option to repeat the year is there for everyone anyway regardless of any appeal process but few people will be happy putting their lives on hold for a year except as a last resort.

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
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10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
As I said in my post earlier, the teachers up here give their grades, it goes to the head of department and they have guidelines to go through the department has a meeting and discuss various marks/grades given and change if needs be.

That's all the input they have, and all based on previous work done by the students and what was their predicted grades assessed beforehand. Now that's all given to the awarding body, separate from school who'll give the final grade, there is criteria set for that, previous school results and at the end off all that if they want to sit the exam they can.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
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10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
What's happening with the transfer test then??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
Quote
10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.

Previous years, not just a year, they have those results to look back on.

If your students underperformed over a lot years then it will reflect differently, but the best thing if you feel they didn't get the results they feel they would have got them go through the process and sit the exam (up north that is)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 08, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
What's happening with the transfer test then??
Hasn't been much mention. Hard to see it going ahead.

What's the latest they could schedule it? February could probably be the latest and I would probably just do the PIE and PIM at that stage as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Anyone else brilliant at Fortnite now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on May 08, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 08, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
What's happening with the transfer test then??

You can be sure that the grammars will push it back until the new year. Primary schools wil have to reschedule their plans to accommodate this as they will be expected to by parents to help their children prepare for the test. Xmas concerts will not go ahead , planned primary school sporting events will have to be postponed/ rescheduled. All this on top of the endless stress that the pupils and parents will have to endure due to the fact that a group of people (Boards of Governors) sat in a room one evening and decided that they didn't want pupils of lesser academic ability into their school.
Absolute disgraceful attitude and power that they should not have!! All this supported by the DUP minister
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Anyone else brilliant at Fortnite now?

Been blasting it out old school, PS3 call of duty games, still a crowd on line playing away
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on May 08, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 08, 2020, 03:38:00 PM
Quote from: five points on May 08, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2020, 03:07:36 PM

So trust the teachers, they know how much effort the kids put in during school better than some parents.

Maybe they might bring in assessments into SI schools in future, just in case

The Dept don't intend to trust the teachers.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/74043/96076aa3e16240cc93e2a56a1ea94d75.pdf#page=1
Quote
10.2 What happens to the school data in this process?
The rank order within the class group is preserved in the statistical process.  However, the teachers' estimated marks from each school will be adjusted to bring them into line with the expected distribution for the school.  Each school's expected distributions will be arrived at from the statistical analysis of all the historic SEC datasets.  These data sets allow the production of good calculationsof the distributions of marks to be expected for each school and nationally.

In other words, if your school has underperformed in the past, you risk being downgraded.

The school in my locality had excellent results last year. Talking to one teacher he said they had a great group last year and would never be repeated. So essentially they can put down great results and point to last year even though  they wouldn't have good results this year.

It's the schools that have that "great group" this year that'll have the trouble
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 08, 2020, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Anyone else brilliant at Fortnite now?
Finally got Wigan Athletic to the promised land of European Champions league winners on Championship manager
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on May 08, 2020, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 08, 2020, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 08, 2020, 05:39:14 PM
Anyone else brilliant at Fortnite now?
Finally got Wigan Athletic to the promised land of European Champions league winners on Championship manager

Drogheda Utd to the CL semis for me, 01/02 version
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 03, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
If we can get parents up to speed with this online learning I reckon we could cull a few thousand teachers. PE and HE first to go.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 03, 2020, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
If we can get parents up to speed with this online learning I reckon we could cull a few thousand teachers. PE and HE first to go.

At least....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 03, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 03, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
If we can get parents up to speed with this online learning I reckon we could cull a few thousand teachers. PE and HE first to go.

The Yr10 young fella asked for help with quadratic equations for his maths work.

Had to do a wee google as a refresher as it's been a while for me to do those things!

Many parents will be scratching their heads over the next few months with kids in these age groups potentially going to school for 1 or 2 days a week come September.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
f**k but I am over Teachers. Did anybody hear the one on Radio Ulster this morning whinging because she has to predict grades? And they are also blocking the return of schools when it has been shown over and over again that the risk to under 70s is minuscule. Time to get tough. No return to work - furlough and then redundancy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.

Teachers need to be faced down. They've to much power. Tail is wagging the dog.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Yes, let's make all teachers redundant. Trailer (and other parents, according to him) really need a wee message of hope that things will go back to normal some day. This is the opportunity.

Not all just those who refuse to work. There's piles of Teachers. f**k sake there's more teachers out of work than in work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 04, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Yes, let's make all teachers redundant. Trailer (and other parents, according to him) really need a wee message of hope that things will go back to normal some day. This is the opportunity.

Not all just those who refuse to work. There's piles of Teachers. f**k sake there's more teachers out of work than in work.

The equilvant of 18 300  full time staff are employed  in northern schools.
About 3 000 are on the  sub register. Do the sums !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 04, 2020, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 04, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Yes, let's make all teachers redundant. Trailer (and other parents, according to him) really need a wee message of hope that things will go back to normal some day. This is the opportunity.

Not all just those who refuse to work. There's piles of Teachers. f**k sake there's more teachers out of work than in work.

The equilvant of 18 300  full time staff are employed  in northern schools.
About 3 000 are on the  sub register. Do the sums !

Show your working?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 05, 2020, 09:46:53 AM
Given his disregard for teachers perhaps he can't do sums.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 05, 2020, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 04, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Yes, let's make all teachers redundant. Trailer (and other parents, according to him) really need a wee message of hope that things will go back to normal some day. This is the opportunity.

Not all just those who refuse to work. There's piles of Teachers. f**k sake there's more teachers out of work than in work.

The equilvant of 18 300  full time staff are employed  in northern schools.
About 3 000 are on the  sub register. Do the sums !

Show your working?
Short lesson for today- English Grammar

Show you are working?
Or
Show you're working?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 05, 2020, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 04, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 04, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Yes, let's make all teachers redundant. Trailer (and other parents, according to him) really need a wee message of hope that things will go back to normal some day. This is the opportunity.

Not all just those who refuse to work. There's piles of Teachers. f**k sake there's more teachers out of work than in work.

The equilvant of 18 300  full time staff are employed  in northern schools.
About 3 000 are on the  sub register. Do the sums !

Show your working?
Short lesson for today- English Grammar

Show you are working
Or
Show you're working
I think his was a shortened version of "Show your working out" in relation to your reference to sums. Although his question mark could be dubious.


HS - That is a good observation.
https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/publications/teacher-workforce-statistics-201819

I didnt do a personal head count - too busy working ! Having lunch break now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.

Yeah for me it's worst of both worlds.
The cost of managing it will be very high too.
I'm not sure if I've said it before on this thread, but I think they should have put a full pause on education at all levels for a year. Aim to bring all kids back to school on are around 1year after they were all sent home. It would resolve exam/predicted results issues as everything could pick up where it left off.
The hope would be we are fully on top of the virus by then, or possibly even have a vaccine. So for me it simplifies all the issues with education, and is lower risk with respect to the virus spread.
There's the issue of parents returning to work to contend with but that might be easier managed with employers than all this hassle with part school/part home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 05, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.

Yeah for me it's worst of both worlds.
The cost of managing it will be very high too.
I'm not sure if I've said it before on this thread, but I think they should have put a full pause on education at all levels for a year. Aim to bring all kids back to school on are around 1year after they were all sent home. It would resolve exam/predicted results issues as everything could pick up where it left off.
The hope would be we are fully on top of the virus by then, or possibly even have a vaccine. So for me it simplifies all the issues with education, and is lower risk with respect to the virus spread.
There's the issue of parents returning to work to contend with but that might be easier managed with employers than all this hassle with part school/part home.

Here you have it. The cat is out if the bag. Pause a child's education. f**k them. Not a mention of remote teaching, online lessons, nothing. Just pause education. We can have the time off, on full pay, to go golfing, learn to play the guitar and catch up on some Netflix box sets. Teachers are using this as a cover to refuse to go to work. Nothing less, nothing more. The rest of the population has to go to work, some serve on the front line but not precious teachers. We're all in this together, expect some aren't and they're going to prove it.
The risk to children and teachers is absolutely minuscule. Teachers as allegedly "educated" people should realise this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
My golf game is away to f**k. I was playing rightly before lockdown too!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 01:49:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.

Yeah for me it's worst of both worlds.
The cost of managing it will be very high too.
I'm not sure if I've said it before on this thread, but I think they should have put a full pause on education at all levels for a year. Aim to bring all kids back to school on are around 1year after they were all sent home. It would resolve exam/predicted results issues as everything could pick up where it left off.
The hope would be we are fully on top of the virus by then, or possibly even have a vaccine. So for me it simplifies all the issues with education, and is lower risk with respect to the virus spread.
There's the issue of parents returning to work to contend with but that might be easier managed with employers than all this hassle with part school/part home.

Here you have it. The cat is out if the bag. Pause a child's education. f**k them. Not a mention of remote teaching, online lessons, nothing. Just pause education. We can have the time off, on full pay, to go golfing, learn to play the guitar and catch up on some Netflix box sets. Teachers are using this as a cover to refuse to go to work. Nothing less, nothing more. The rest of the population has to go to work, some serve on the front line but not precious teachers. We're all in this together, expect some aren't and they're going to prove it.
The risk to children and teachers is absolutely minuscule. Teachers as allegedly "educated" people should realise this.

All teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 02:03:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2020, 12:10:09 AM
In all honesty, it's really hard to see how Sept will work. My outlook was half optimistic and half reckless... Hope that by August comes the thing is all but gone and we just up sanitation and we're back to as close to normal.

After a few talks today, that looks pie in the sky. This half school/half home thing looks like a logistical nightmare for everyone.

Yeah for me it's worst of both worlds.
The cost of managing it will be very high too.
I'm not sure if I've said it before on this thread, but I think they should have put a full pause on education at all levels for a year. Aim to bring all kids back to school on are around 1year after they were all sent home. It would resolve exam/predicted results issues as everything could pick up where it left off.
The hope would be we are fully on top of the virus by then, or possibly even have a vaccine. So for me it simplifies all the issues with education, and is lower risk with respect to the virus spread.
There's the issue of parents returning to work to contend with but that might be easier managed with employers than all this hassle with part school/part home.

Here you have it. The cat is out if the bag. Pause a child's education. f**k them. Not a mention of remote teaching, online lessons, nothing. Just pause education. We can have the time off, on full pay, to go golfing, learn to play the guitar and catch up on some Netflix box sets. Teachers are using this as a cover to refuse to go to work. Nothing less, nothing more. The rest of the population has to go to work, some serve on the front line but not precious teachers. We're all in this together, expect some aren't and they're going to prove it.
The risk to children and teachers is absolutely minuscule. Teachers as allegedly "educated" people should realise this.

;D ;D

First point is, I'm not a teacher. However, my wife is a teacher and doesn't agree with me.
I'll admit, pause was the wrong word to use. What I meant be pause, was to continue as is which would keep kids in touch with what they have learnt already and so they don't forget everything they have already done.
There are very few teachers that I know off refusing to return to work so they can watch netflix or play golf. They are genuinely concerned about their own health and the health for their families, but also for the health of the kids in school and their families.

Question for you trailer, are you only concerned about the education of your children (assuming you have kids), or do you need them minded so you can return to work? I think the context is important. I understand it will be extremely difficult for a lot of people to have their kids minded if not in full time school, but in my opinion that's an extremely selfish view point when the alternative is potentially putting lives at risk.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

In normal circumstances, I'd mostly agree with this. Though not for all teachers.
Most teachers do think their job is much harder than everyone else's, but what I always say to them is that they have been in school their whole lives and have never had a "real world" job. They dont like that  ;D

But generally speaking, most teachers work really hard and have the interests of the children at heart. They don't get paid as well as people think either.
I wouldn't hold it against any teacher to not want to return to work in the current climate particularly as every one of them have their own personal circumstances to contend with.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 05, 2020, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!


Yeah that's the point I was trying to make, but you've made it better than I did.
Who cares if kids are one year older when they all finish their formal education? They'd all be finishing at the same time so I dont see why it would be an issue to delay formal exams, or moving up classes for a year.
Quite possibly there are many good reasons....anyone?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

Fair enough. Was just looking to confirm that. If I could get down to a single figure handicap then my time off won't be wasted at least. I've watched everything on netflix already ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 03:48:49 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 05, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

Jesus.... I forgot to teach them quantum physics  this week ...........ah well.... they'll just have to read,  comprehend , infer information, calculate , problem solve,  use ICT, Code , write a story , paint , do a science equipment , make a lego model, do a bit of exercise......do all the things a child under 10 is supposed to do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 05, 2020, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

Jesus.... I forgot to teach them quantum physics  this week ...........ah well.... they'll just have to read,  comprehend , infer information, calculate , problem solve,  use ICT, Code , write a story , paint , do a science equipment , make a lego model, do a bit of exercise......do all the things a child under 10 is supposed to do

Cbeebies is great isn't it ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

Jesus.... I forgot to teach them quantum physics  this week ...........ah well.... they'll just have to read,  comprehend , infer information, calculate , problem solve,  use ICT, Code , write a story , paint , do a science equipment , make a lego model, do a bit of exercise......do all the things a child under 10 is supposed to do

Teach them commas fcuk ye.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 05, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 05, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Aye all. Pack of dossers. Especially primary teachers. Do some sums and comprehension and send them off to big school as greenhorns.

Jesus.... I forgot to teach them quantum physics  this week ...........ah well.... they'll just have to read,  comprehend , infer information, calculate , problem solve,  use ICT, Code , write a story , paint , do a science equipment , make a lego model, do a bit of exercise......do all the things a child under 10 is supposed to do

Teach them commas fcuk ye.

Think you might need to go to specsavers , ye balloon
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Silver hill on June 05, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Things will really start to ramp up now with the announcements today from the Irish government and the gaa. With the infection rates at the level they are now, it's inconceivable that kids will not be returning to a full curriculum on 1st sept. Especially with the knowledge that they aren't the little vectors that was once thought. Lobbying should begin now. A major deterrent to a proper recovery will be childcare provision if schools are not open. We were right to be cautious and to plan for the worst back in may but the expected Armageddon didn't materialize and to be honest, the hysteria in the last few months has been ridiculous. Get everything opened up again and we can all apply a modicum if commonsense in the daily situations we'll find ourselves in when out and about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 05, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.

A 2 year old?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 05, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.

A 2 year old?

You are confusing childcare and primary school provision; which is for primary school aged children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.

A 2 year old?

You are confusing childcare and primary school provision; which is for primary school aged children.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 05, 2020, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.

A 2 year old?

You are confusing childcare and primary school provision; which is for primary school aged children.

Exactly.

I'm not. I'm making the point that this hub school frontline child care is only a cover and solves very few childcare needs in the real world.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 05, 2020, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 05, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 05, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trailers wife is a front line worker so can avail of having kids at school allowing him to work. So no issues.

Also let's give schools teachers and kids some credit, the education will continue when safe, they'll not finish school at a lesser disadvantage position than the kids the coming before them or after them.

My daughters won't lose the education they've received these past few years!

Thanks for answering on behalf of me and wife's behalf. But you are incorrect. Yes she is a frontline worker but we can't avail of the childcare because..... drum roll....... the teachers in our local school refused to provide it. I shit you not. We only have one at school age so it's not a solution anyway.
You'd have more respect for teachers if they came out and just said they don't want to go back because they're enjoying the time off. There is no medical reason that justifies their approach.

Can you not send them to a hub school? I am looking after children from my school and several other schools in a hub school. I think there are 7 schools availing of this service.

A 2 year old?

You are confusing childcare and primary school provision; which is for primary school aged children.

Exactly.

I'm not. I'm making the point that this hub school frontline child care is only a cover and solves very few childcare needs in the real world.

So your problem is only with people who look after children in nursery schools?  Or should primary school and secondary school teachers look after your 2 year old? If someone asked me to look after a 2 year old I would refuse to do that as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 05, 2020, 11:34:55 PM
Half way through ye're Summer Holidays down here in the south! Has been some craic collecting full pay and telling the country how hard ye have been working through this great crisis. Will be great craic in September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2020, 11:34:55 PM
Half way through ye're Summer Holidays down here in the south! Has been some craic collecting full pay and telling the country how hard ye have been working through this great crisis. Will be great craic in September.
Aye, and silly hoors like yourself paying for it. I wouldn't be too hasty with September either. There's legs in it yet I think.

Oh the craic will be just mighty in September! Looking forward to it. This pandemic is taylor made for their unions. They'll probably need half days here and there added to with days off for tweaks to get the social distancing right.
In the mean time there are only 2/3 weeks until the official holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2020, 11:34:55 PM
Half way through ye're Summer Holidays down here in the south! Has been some craic collecting full pay and telling the country how hard ye have been working through this great crisis. Will be great craic in September.
Aye, and silly hoors like yourself paying for it. I wouldn't be too hasty with September either. There's legs in it yet I think.

Oh the craic will be just mighty in September! Looking forward to it. This pandemic is taylor made for their unions. They'll probably need half days here and there added to with days off for tweaks to get the social distancing right.
In the mean time there are only 2/3 weeks until the official holidays.

I've another week off, that'll mean the wife will be off for the summer two weeks later, it's been tough on her so the summer holidays can't come quick enough.

But the back pay she's getting from the strike will go towards a decent break away once we can go on hols!

Hopefully the Unions go for danger money in September!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 01:19:30 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 05, 2020, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2020, 11:34:55 PM
Half way through ye're Summer Holidays down here in the south! Has been some craic collecting full pay and telling the country how hard ye have been working through this great crisis. Will be great craic in September.
Aye, and silly hoors like yourself paying for it. I wouldn't be too hasty with September either. There's legs in it yet I think.

Oh the craic will be just mighty in September! Looking forward to it. This pandemic is taylor made for their unions. They'll probably need half days here and there added to with days off for tweaks to get the social distancing right.
In the mean time there are only 2/3 weeks until the official holidays.

I've another week off, that'll mean the wife will be off for the summer two weeks later, it's been tough on her so the summer holidays can't come quick enough.

But the back pay she's getting from the strike will go towards a decent break away once we can go on hols!

Hopefully the Unions go for danger money in September!

Are you teaching in the north or the south. Northern Schools seem to be having a go at helping out during the pandemic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

Wish we had that service down here!  :-\
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.

What schools aren't open? Yes there's agreements with local schools to take in kids of the area but no kids have been refused to go to school if their parents are working. And teachers are providing work for students.

Trailer which schools are not providing this?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.

Should all teachers be in school then? What's your idea of what should have been happening this past 3 months? Should the likes of me be looking after your 2 year old?  You're right btw, there is no teaching happening. In my class yesterday I had a P2, P4, P5 and two P7 children. All from different schools and all doing different work provided by their school. Should I be teaching them all the same thing. I help with any problems they're having in their work but I'm not teaching lessons.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 06, 2020, 01:36:35 PM

Reopening our secondary school: here's what we learned
By Paul Topping on 05 June 2020

The executive headteacher of the British School in the Netherlands explains how the school geared up to manage the return of its senior school cohort this week

Socially distanced urinals in a secondary school in The Netherlands
Headteachers' instincts are to keep schools running. Snow days, burst boilers, winter flu – we have contingencies and can make adaptations but we're always open for learning.

Coronavirus, however, brought a new perspective to decision-making around school closure and has, without doubt, presented my biggest set of challenges in 15 years of headship.

Nearly three months on, our two senior schools have just reopened with the majority of our 1,200 students back in classrooms on alternate days, starting on 3 June.

How did we get here? Here are some key takeaways from this time:

The logistics
The new normal, already a cliché, is also a misnomer – since practice in all schools is governed by context.

We have reconsidered every element of a student's day, from the moment they pass through the school gate to their final footsteps out, ensuring that distancing is maintained at all times.

In a busy secondary school, with so many students usually moving between corridors and classrooms, this meant completely reshaping the school day, timetable, and flow.

Most learning spaces can accommodate up to 11 students, around half of our average class size and so we have created two populations based on surname to be in school alternate days.

Lesson duration has been reduced, settings and groupings changed and lunchtime modified. We've also staggered arrival and departure times for key stage 3 and KS4/5 with school now ending at 2.30pm to allow students to use public transport out of peak hours.

Industrial quantities of yellow signage and stripy tape adorn our building to reinforce one-way movement and painted distancing lines and directional arrows are de rigeur outside.

This is also true for areas that might not be so obvious – for instance, making taped pens available so students can't park their bikes too close to each other.

We've also had to mark out queuing areas outside of toilets and in a block of four urinals, taping up the middle two so that distancing can be maintained.

Decision making
Executive and senior leadership teams have had to be at their most optimistic and innovative to embrace the strategic and logistical challenges.

Clear, assured messaging to all parties has been essential. With five campuses (two secondary and three primary), a coherent and consistent approach in decision making has been critical.

Valuable lessons to inform future decisions were learned through the experiences of primary schools opening in May as well.

Rapid planning
Keeping pace with changing government protocols has been a challenge, as was throttling up when the green light for opening secondary school sites was lit just three weeks ago.

We've had very short time frames in which to make big decisions impacting on thousands of people: school transport; year groups to return; internal assessments.

Nothing has been straightforward and we have steered away from absolutes on issues such as masks, for example.

Flexibility is an important tool in keeping anxieties in check.

Building confidence and allaying fears
Two of my main priorities in preparing to return have been the building of staff confidence and encouraging colleagues to take ownership once more of our building.

Staff were, understandably, nervous about being in close proximity to 500 other humans for seven hours each day.

Empathy and compassion have been as important as pragmatism and planning in winning hearts and minds.

Virtual staff meetings of up to 160 people, with SLT members managing questions on the chat, individual video calls with colleagues to help address specific concerns, and support from HR and medical teams has been received well.

Through all this, I've been so proud of teachers and support staff.

Their professionalism and sense of perspective have always been to the fore and their positivism has instilled confidence into our whole community.

The student response
We forget sometimes how adaptable young people are and I have been delighted at how positively students have responded to our new circumstances.

There has been a minor battle with Year 10 to avoid hugging (they are so pleased to renew friendships) and we need all students who are timetabled for PE to come dressed for sport (since we can't use changing rooms).

Otherwise, it has been a smooth operation and one thing has been abundantly clear – students have really missed their teachers.

Overall remote learning hasn't been a painless process and returning post lockdown has certainly exercised our grey matter but calm and purposeful leadership has seen enabled us to manage the extraordinary.

Inclement weather and hot water issues will forever seem a doddle.

Paul Topping is currently executive headteacher at the British School in The Netherlands, in The Hague, having joined the school in 2017. The BSN is a multi-campus school with 2,500 students on roll.

Anyone wishing to speak with Paul to find out more about how his schools reopened is welcome to contact him via Twitter: @PaulTopping62.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

What's she doing on the computer?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

What's she doing on the computer?
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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 06, 2020, 02:33:21 PM
For the benefit of trailer and oneill et al.
About half of 1100  schools are open in the north to provide  supervision  for all school aged children.
The schools  that are open had key workers who accepted a place in that school . There were 1200 children being supervised on Wed 3rd .
School staff supervise on a rota. Those not in school work remotely to deliver home - learning and ensure vulnerable children are okay. Whether you question that or not - is up to you.

My own school had parents who turned down the offer of a place because they were frightened of  covid 19 cross infection.

Schools that are closed - had no key workers accept a place . Staff are working remotely and attending school on a rota to complete school based tasks .

Schools were closed by the Dept of Education for health and safety of pupils , staff , parents , grandparents and childcare providers. There is a pandemic , schools had to close , you need to get over these things and move on and stop criticising the school situation. 
No school would choose to be closed , no teacher would wish to have to predict grades . They are in a position not of their making
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on June 06, 2020, 02:35:50 PM
The teachers are also going to milk this as long as they can and are in no hurry to get back to work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 06, 2020, 02:35:50 PM
The teachers are also going to milk this as long as they can and are in no hurry to get back to work

Milk it? The government has closed the schools because of the pandemic, once the government has a safe route to bring back the kids, teachers will follow.

You'd think the teachers had a say in this? The unions may have a view on what's best but it's the education dept that actually run things and if told things are safe, they'll go back!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 06, 2020, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 03:30:43 PM
Milk it? The government has closed the schools because of the pandemic, once the government has a safe route to bring back the kids, teachers will follow.

I heard the INTO biological warfare unit broke into the lab in Wuhan and released the bat virus so that teachers would have to teach online in April.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.

Should all teachers be in school then? What's your idea of what should have been happening this past 3 months? Should the likes of me be looking after your 2 year old?  You're right btw, there is no teaching happening. In my class yesterday I had a P2, P4, P5 and two P7 children. All from different schools and all doing different work provided by their school. Should I be teaching them all the same thing. I help with any problems they're having in their work but I'm not teaching lessons.

Look my view is that schools should be open with kids in attendance and teachers teaching. I appreciate that the powerful teaching unions will not allow that for reasons unknown.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.

Should all teachers be in school then? What's your idea of what should have been happening this past 3 months? Should the likes of me be looking after your 2 year old?  You're right btw, there is no teaching happening. In my class yesterday I had a P2, P4, P5 and two P7 children. All from different schools and all doing different work provided by their school. Should I be teaching them all the same thing. I help with any problems they're having in their work but I'm not teaching lessons.

Look my view is that schools should be open with kids in attendance and teachers teaching. I appreciate that the powerful teaching unions will not allow that for reasons unknown.

Schools should be open when they are safe, if you think it's safe to go into a room with 31 people in it then go ahead. I haven't seen one guideline that says it's safe to be in a room with that many people
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 06, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
All schools opened in the north to take key working kids in, and my wife on computer most of the day

All schools are not open. Some central schools are providing child care for key workers. There's no teaching happening. That's it. So let's dial down the 3 cheers for teachers.

Should all teachers be in school then? What's your idea of what should have been happening this past 3 months? Should the likes of me be looking after your 2 year old?  You're right btw, there is no teaching happening. In my class yesterday I had a P2, P4, P5 and two P7 children. All from different schools and all doing different work provided by their school. Should I be teaching them all the same thing. I help with any problems they're having in their work but I'm not teaching lessons.

Look my view is that schools should be open with kids in attendance and teachers teaching. I appreciate that the powerful teaching unions will not allow that for reasons unknown.

Reasons unknown ? There's a pandemic didn't you know ? Schools aren't safe at the moment for  pupils to attend so the local government closed them in March
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

Are your kids in the North or South?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

Saw 2 teachers in an off-licence at midday yesterday and it looked like they weren't long out of bed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

That is definitely not my experience. And besides there is no risk in teaching children with regards to Coronavirus, unless you are over 70 and live in a nursing home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

Are your kids in the North or South?

North
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

Saw 2 teachers in an off-licence at midday yesterday and it looked like they weren't long out of bed.

LOL
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:05:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

That is definitely not my experience. And besides there is no risk in teaching children with regards to Coronavirus, unless you are over 70 and live in a nursing home.

You need to take it up directly with the school then....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

That is definitely not my experience. And besides there is no risk in teaching children with regards to Coronavirus, unless you are over 70 and live in a nursing home.

Your child is 2. So it's definitely not going to be your experience.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

That is definitely not my experience. And besides there is no risk in teaching children with regards to Coronavirus, unless you are over 70 and live in a nursing home.

Your child is 2. So it's definitely not going to be your experience.

Good man Jim. Comprehension not a strong suit of yours.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Some absolute nonsense being spouted on here....

Looks like a few people need to look at the Schools their children attend....

The school my kids attend have done a brilliant job advising and teaching online....brilliant in fact....

Its not their job to babysit them through the pandemic.....that's my responsibility....

So far and maybe not ideal (as I have worked non stop through it all.....not a teacher by the way)...we've managed.....including teaching the kids out of hours and at the weekend...

Challenging? Yes....but that's what a parent is there for...and I am more than happy to do so instead of teacher bashing...

And furthermore....

I cannot wait for the school to be opened again as I have developed a massive realisation how difficult teaching is...

Cannot wait in fact!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.



Saw 2 teachers in an off-licence at midday yesterday and it looked like they weren't long out of bed.


Yeah....likely buying Stella too...those lousy teachers....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

The lives of children,teachers,childminders and extended families are more important than pleasing you.
Dry your eyes and just accept that most people put the health and wellbeing of all people above the urgency some people have to get their children educated.
The children will still get educated, there is only a pause for some really well known reasons.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:35:02 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Nail on the head.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

The lives of children,teachers,childminders and extended families are more important than pleasing you.
Dry your eyes and just accept that most people put the health and wellbeing of all people above the urgency some people have to get their children educated.
The children will still get educated, there is only a pause for some really well known reasons.

TBRICK exactly....

Some people will decide to take responsibility....some will not....

I choose responsibility......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

The lives of children,teachers,childminders and extended families are more important than pleasing you.
Dry your eyes and just accept that most people put the health and wellbeing of all people above the urgency some people have to get their children educated.
The children will still get educated, there is only a pause for some really well known reasons.

But my wife's isn't? She must go to work, everyday, regardless? We're all in this together, remember?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

Like most of your posts too date....absolute fckin rubbish...

Take some responsibility instead of picking easy targets...

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

The lives of children,teachers,childminders and extended families are more important than pleasing you.
Dry your eyes and just accept that most people put the health and wellbeing of all people above the urgency some people have to get their children educated.
The children will still get educated, there is only a pause for some really well known reasons.

But my wife's isn't? She must go to work, everyday, regardless? We're all in this together, remember?

What?
I don't know what you or your wife do or what your circumstances are.
But it's not up to anyone else to decide where you put your priorities, that's up to you. Pointing the finger of blame at teachers because it's difficult? Wise up.
In my experience most people do the best they can for their kids, I'm sure you try to too, but for me no matter what my kids come first. If I can't get childcare, I stay at home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

The lives of children,teachers,childminders and extended families are more important than pleasing you.
Dry your eyes and just accept that most people put the health and wellbeing of all people above the urgency some people have to get their children educated.
The children will still get educated, there is only a pause for some really well known reasons.

But my wife's isn't? She must go to work, everyday, regardless? We're all in this together, remember?

What?
I don't know what you or your wife do or what your circumstances are.
But it's not up to anyone else to decide where you put your priorities, that's up to you. Pointing the finger of blame at teachers because it's difficult? Wise up.
In my experience most people do the best they can for their kids, I'm sure you try to too, but for me no matter what my kids come first. If I can't get childcare, I stay at home.

Please.....stop....talking this sense...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.

Last week I saw 3 teachers at a birthday party. Social distancing = 0.
Our school has literally just taken the time off. I am not exaggerating, They've done nothing except 1 pack sent home.
Forgive me if I think that the teaching community is taking advantage.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.

Last week I saw 3 teachers at a birthday party. Social distancing = 0.
Our school has literally just taken the time off. I am not exaggerating, They've done nothing except 1 pack sent home.
Forgive me if I think that the teaching community is taking advantage.

This is disgraceful and you need to contact the Principal...

When this calms down you need to consider taking your kid out of that School...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 06, 2020, 08:00:46 PM
Colourin in pencils AND a book and still all some people do is complain
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 06, 2020, 08:02:20 PM
One pack for a two-year-old is scandalous. My nephew is 3 and he has 4 packs a week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.

Last week I saw 3 teachers at a birthday party. Social distancing = 0.
Our school has literally just taken the time off. I am not exaggerating, They've done nothing except 1 pack sent home.
Forgive me if I think that the teaching community is taking advantage.

Teachers are allowed a social life as much as anyone else, but yes they should have been social distancing.
I wouldn't be happy sending my kids into a class withe a teacher who doesn't follow guidelines which is another issue entirely.

If that is all your school has provided, that is not acceptable. 100% agree with you and I'd raise that with the principal and board of governors asap. Children are being failed there.
But that is not universally the case. I've got kids in primary and secondary and it certainly isn't my experience. My wife is a primary teacher and it's not what they do either. Generally the primarys are issuing work pack 4 weeks at a time and are engaging on class dojo. Commenting on work and marking and answering queries.
I have noticed older teachers are not as active online, but we have to remember most have no training on delivering teaching this way.
Secondary school uses Google classroom and kids are set work weekly with deadlines. Most teachers are very responsive to questions from kids and most mark work and provide feedback. Some teachers do more than others.
It's not perfectand not as good as the classroom but it's good given the circumstances.

Seriously I'd contact the school and make a formal complaint as it must be incredibly frustrating. But all schools and teachers shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 07:54:26 PM
Whoa, whoa! It might have been a fcukin smashing pack.

Likely just colouring in I'd say....by numbers....the heartless bastards...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
What work would you like for a 2 year old? Do 2 year olds even have work to do at home? Is it the work or babysitting that's annoying you? What do you do during Christmas holidays and summer holidays for child care? Expecting primary school and secondary school teachers to look after a 2 year old is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
I've two children. One of them is two. The other is in P4.  I'm actually worried that some of you are teachers. How did you qualify? Did you collect tokens in the paper?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 06, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
I appreciate that your parish school had failed your P4 child , but you should be speaking/emailing to the chair of the governors and make a complaint. Some of the things , you are reporting are a poor reflection on that particular school,but you shouldnt tar everyone with the same brush.
Most teachers are working hard to ensure the children in their care are safe and receiving work. If you PM me( i think you can do that on this platform ) , I ll do my best to get your child  a home learning pack or two , posted to you on Monday and  I ll send you some online learning links .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.

Last week I saw 3 teachers at a birthday party. Social distancing = 0.
Our school has literally just taken the time off. I am not exaggerating, They've done nothing except 1 pack sent home.
Forgive me if I think that the teaching community is taking advantage.

Teachers are allowed a social life as much as anyone else, but yes they should have been social distancing.
I wouldn't be happy sending my kids into a class withe a teacher who doesn't follow guidelines which is another issue entirely.

If that is all your school has provided, that is not acceptable. 100% agree with you and I'd raise that with the principal and board of governors asap. Children are being failed there.
But that is not universally the case. I've got kids in primary and secondary and it certainly isn't my experience. My wife is a primary teacher and it's not what they do either. Generally the primarys are issuing work pack 4 weeks at a time and are engaging on class dojo. Commenting on work and marking and answering queries.
I have noticed older teachers are not as active online, but we have to remember most have no training on delivering teaching this way.
Secondary school uses Google classroom and kids are set work weekly with deadlines. Most teachers are very responsive to questions from kids and most mark work and provide feedback. Some teachers do more than others.
It's not perfectand not as good as the classroom but it's good given the circumstances.

Seriously I'd contact the school and make a formal complaint as it must be incredibly frustrating. But all schools and teachers shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.

I've raised it with principal last week and I'm awaiting a response.
I've also taken "personal responsibility" and employed a tutor. However I feel for those who cannot afford such an intervention.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 06, 2020, 09:22:54 PM

I appreciate that your parish school had failed your P4 child , but you should be speaking/emailing to the chair of the governors and make a complaint. Some of the things , you are reporting are a poor reflection on that particular school,but you shouldntvtar everyone with the same brush.
Most teachers are working hard to ensure the children in their care are safe and receiving work. If you PM me( i think you can do that on this platform ) , I ll do my best to get your child  a home learning pack or two , posted to you on Monday and  I ll send you some online learning links .
[/quote

I really appreciate this post. I'll pm you tomorrow. Thanks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
I've two children. One of them is two. The other is in P4.  I'm actually worried that some of you are teachers. How did you qualify? Did you collect tokens in the paper?

Why not send the P4 child to a hub school like a lot of key workers are doing? Sounds like you need to contact your school and ask for more work. Any of the schools in my local area are using Google Classroom and apps such as Dojo and Seesaw.  I can send you some standard P4 revision work from a site like Twinkl.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:30:45 PM
 

FREE online education resources
A non-exhaustive list that might help those affected by school closures due to coronavirus, compiled by home educators.
Feel free to share.
Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org
Especially good for maths and computing for all ages but other subjects at Secondary level. Note this uses the U.S. grade system but it's mostly common material.
BBC Learning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/coursesearch/
This site is old and no longer updated and yet there's so much still available, from language learning to BBC Bitesize for revision. No TV licence required except for content on BBC iPlayer.
Futurelearn
https://www.futurelearn.com
Free to access 100s of courses, only pay to upgrade if you need a certificate in your name (own account from age 14+ but younger learners can use a parent account).
Seneca
https://www.senecalearning.com
For those revising at GCSE or A level. Tons of free revision content. Paid access to higher level material.
Openlearn
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/
Free taster courses aimed at those considering Open University but everyone can access it. Adult level, but some e.g. nature and environment courses could well be of interest to young people.
Blockly
https://blockly.games
Learn computer programming skills - fun and free.
Scratch
https://scratch.mit.edu/explore/projects/games/
Creative computer programming
Ted Ed
https://ed.ted.com
All sorts of engaging educational videos
National Geographic Kids
https://www.natgeokids.com/uk/
Activities and quizzes for younger kids.
Duolingo
https://www.duolingo.com
Learn languages for free. Web or app.
Mystery Science
https://mysteryscience.com
Free science lessons
The Kids Should See This
https://thekidshouldseethis.com
Wide range of cool educational videos
Crash Course
https://thecrashcourse.com
You Tube videos on many subjects
Crash Course Kids
https://m.youtube.com/user/crashcoursekids
As above for a younger audience
Crest Awards
https://www.crestawards.org
Science awards you can complete from home.
iDEA Awards
https://idea.org.uk
Digital enterprise award scheme you can complete online.
Paw Print Badges
https://www.pawprintbadges.co.uk
Free challenge packs and other downloads. Many activities can be completed indoors. Badges cost but are optional.
Tinkercad
https://www.tinkercad.com
All kinds of making.
Prodigy Maths
https://www.prodigygame.com
Is in U.S. grades, but good for UK Primary age.
Cbeebies Radio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/radio
Listening activities for the younger ones.
Nature Detectives
https://naturedetectives.woodlandtrust.org.uk/naturedetect.../
A lot of these can be done in a garden, or if you can get to a remote forest location!
British Council
https://www.britishcouncil.org/school-resources/find
Resources for English language learning
Oxford Owl for Home
https://www.oxfordowl.co.uk/for-home/
Lots of free resources for Primary age
Big History Project
https://www.bighistoryproject.com/home
Aimed at Secondary age. Multi disciplinary activities.
Geography Games
https://world-geography-games.com/world.html
Geography gaming!
Blue Peter Badges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/joinin/about-blue-peter-badges
If you have a stamp and a nearby post box.
The Artful Parent
https://www.facebook.com/artfulparent/
Good, free art activities
Red Ted Art
https://www.redtedart.com
Easy arts and crafts for little ones
The Imagination Tree
https://theimaginationtree.com
Creative art and craft activities for the very youngest.
Toy Theater
https://toytheater.com/
Educational online games
DK Find Out
https://www.dkfindout.com/uk/...
Activities and quizzes
Twinkl
https://www.twinkl.co.uk
This is more for printouts, and usually at a fee, but they are offering a month of free access to parents in the event of school closures.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
I've two children. One of them is two. The other is in P4.  I'm actually worried that some of you are teachers. How did you qualify? Did you collect tokens in the paper?

Why not send the P4 child to a hub school like a lot of key workers are doing? Sounds like you need to contact your school and ask for more work. Any of the schools in my local area are using Google Classroom and apps such as Dojo and Seesaw.  I can send you some standard P4 revision work from a site like Twinkl.

It's not looking after the children. I'm happy to do it. It's the fact teachers expect me to do it with no support other than a homework pack. It's lazy on behalf of the school and teacher.
I still think schools should be back and that's a different argument to what I'm highlighting above.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:30:45 PM
 

FREE online education resources
A non-exhaustive list that might help those affected by school closures due to coronavirus, compiled by home educators.
Feel free to share.
Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org
Especially good for maths and computing for all ages but other subjects at Secondary level. Note this uses the U.S. grade system but it's mostly common material.
BBC Learning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/coursesearch/
This site is old and no longer updated and yet there's so much still available, from language learning to BBC Bitesize for revision. No TV licence required except for content on BBC iPlayer.
Futurelearn
https://www.futurelearn.com
Free to access 100s of courses, only pay to upgrade if you need a certificate in your name (own account from age 14+ but younger learners can use a parent account).
Seneca
https://www.senecalearning.com
For those revising at GCSE or A level. Tons of free revision content. Paid access to higher level material.
Openlearn
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/
Free taster courses aimed at those considering Open University but everyone can access it. Adult level, but some e.g. nature and environment courses could well be of interest to young people.
Blockly
https://blockly.games
Learn computer programming skills - fun and free.
Scratch
https://scratch.mit.edu/explore/projects/games/
Creative computer programming
Ted Ed
https://ed.ted.com
All sorts of engaging educational videos
National Geographic Kids
https://www.natgeokids.com/uk/
Activities and quizzes for younger kids.
Duolingo
https://www.duolingo.com
Learn languages for free. Web or app.
Mystery Science
https://mysteryscience.com
Free science lessons
The Kids Should See This
https://thekidshouldseethis.com
Wide range of cool educational videos
Crash Course
https://thecrashcourse.com
You Tube videos on many subjects
Crash Course Kids
https://m.youtube.com/user/crashcoursekids
As above for a younger audience
Crest Awards
https://www.crestawards.org
Science awards you can complete from home.
iDEA Awards
https://idea.org.uk
Digital enterprise award scheme you can complete online.
Paw Print Badges
https://www.pawprintbadges.co.uk
Free challenge packs and other downloads. Many activities can be completed indoors. Badges cost but are optional.
Tinkercad
https://www.tinkercad.com
All kinds of making.
Prodigy Maths
https://www.prodigygame.com
Is in U.S. grades, but good for UK Primary age.
Cbeebies Radio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/radio
Listening activities for the younger ones.
Nature Detectives
https://naturedetectives.woodlandtrust.org.uk/naturedetect.../
A lot of these can be done in a garden, or if you can get to a remote forest location!
British Council
https://www.britishcouncil.org/school-resources/find
Resources for English language learning
Oxford Owl for Home
https://www.oxfordowl.co.uk/for-home/
Lots of free resources for Primary age
Big History Project
https://www.bighistoryproject.com/home
Aimed at Secondary age. Multi disciplinary activities.
Geography Games
https://world-geography-games.com/world.html
Geography gaming!
Blue Peter Badges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/joinin/about-blue-peter-badges
If you have a stamp and a nearby post box.
The Artful Parent
https://www.facebook.com/artfulparent/
Good, free art activities
Red Ted Art
https://www.redtedart.com
Easy arts and crafts for little ones
The Imagination Tree
https://theimaginationtree.com
Creative art and craft activities for the very youngest.
Toy Theater
https://toytheater.com/
Educational online games
DK Find Out
https://www.dkfindout.com/uk/...
Activities and quizzes
Twinkl
https://www.twinkl.co.uk
This is more for printouts, and usually at a fee, but they are offering a month of free access to parents in the event of school closures.

And what? Are you trying to prove teachers are obsolete? What's your point? Do teachers mark this stuff. Do they come into your house and teach it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 06, 2020, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

Have the gyms reopened?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
I've two children. One of them is two. The other is in P4.  I'm actually worried that some of you are teachers. How did you qualify? Did you collect tokens in the paper?

Why not send the P4 child to a hub school like a lot of key workers are doing? Sounds like you need to contact your school and ask for more work. Any of the schools in my local area are using Google Classroom and apps such as Dojo and Seesaw.  I can send you some standard P4 revision work from a site like Twinkl.

It's not looking after the children. I'm happy to do it. It's the fact teachers expect me to do it with no support other than a homework pack. It's lazy on behalf of the school and teacher.
I still think schools should be back and that's a different argument to what I'm highlighting above.

That's an individual school. You have basically labelled the whole teaching profession as lazy because one school has offered you a homework pack. I know my school will definitely come out of this stronger. Our staff have learned so much from remote learning and some reluctant users of ICT have had to suck it up and learn how to use platforms such as Google Classroom. You are being ridiculous when you are saying that you have seen teachers out in public and at birthday parties etc. So what? I have seen lots of people from all sorts of jobs and professions out and about. 

I disagree with you when you say all schools should be back. How can you bring back a school with 1000 pupils? Each school has different circumstances as well. I teach in a small school with an older staff. One teacher is in her mid 50s and has had cancer - high risk. Another teacher who is late 50s is only back from sick leave and will need surgery very soon - high risk.  2 other teachers live with their elderly parents who are high risk. Myself and another teacher are the only 2 that have no excuses to be off and we are both in a hub school. It would be extremely unfair to ask those teachers to go and sick in a room with a crowd of children and put themselves at risk. I don't doubt for a second that there are some teachers who are treating this as an extended summer holiday, but they are in the minority. We could have maybe brought some classes back like they did in England. But that still wouldn't have solved your problem as they only have brought back P1 and P7 children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:30:45 PM
 

FREE online education resources
A non-exhaustive list that might help those affected by school closures due to coronavirus, compiled by home educators.
Feel free to share.
Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org
Especially good for maths and computing for all ages but other subjects at Secondary level. Note this uses the U.S. grade system but it's mostly common material.
BBC Learning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/coursesearch/
This site is old and no longer updated and yet there's so much still available, from language learning to BBC Bitesize for revision. No TV licence required except for content on BBC iPlayer.
Futurelearn
https://www.futurelearn.com
Free to access 100s of courses, only pay to upgrade if you need a certificate in your name (own account from age 14+ but younger learners can use a parent account).
Seneca
https://www.senecalearning.com
For those revising at GCSE or A level. Tons of free revision content. Paid access to higher level material.
Openlearn
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/
Free taster courses aimed at those considering Open University but everyone can access it. Adult level, but some e.g. nature and environment courses could well be of interest to young people.
Blockly
https://blockly.games
Learn computer programming skills - fun and free.
Scratch
https://scratch.mit.edu/explore/projects/games/
Creative computer programming
Ted Ed
https://ed.ted.com
All sorts of engaging educational videos
National Geographic Kids
https://www.natgeokids.com/uk/
Activities and quizzes for younger kids.
Duolingo
https://www.duolingo.com
Learn languages for free. Web or app.
Mystery Science
https://mysteryscience.com
Free science lessons
The Kids Should See This
https://thekidshouldseethis.com
Wide range of cool educational videos
Crash Course
https://thecrashcourse.com
You Tube videos on many subjects
Crash Course Kids
https://m.youtube.com/user/crashcoursekids
As above for a younger audience
Crest Awards
https://www.crestawards.org
Science awards you can complete from home.
iDEA Awards
https://idea.org.uk
Digital enterprise award scheme you can complete online.
Paw Print Badges
https://www.pawprintbadges.co.uk
Free challenge packs and other downloads. Many activities can be completed indoors. Badges cost but are optional.
Tinkercad
https://www.tinkercad.com
All kinds of making.
Prodigy Maths
https://www.prodigygame.com
Is in U.S. grades, but good for UK Primary age.
Cbeebies Radio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/radio
Listening activities for the younger ones.
Nature Detectives
https://naturedetectives.woodlandtrust.org.uk/naturedetect.../
A lot of these can be done in a garden, or if you can get to a remote forest location!
British Council
https://www.britishcouncil.org/school-resources/find
Resources for English language learning
Oxford Owl for Home
https://www.oxfordowl.co.uk/for-home/
Lots of free resources for Primary age
Big History Project
https://www.bighistoryproject.com/home
Aimed at Secondary age. Multi disciplinary activities.
Geography Games
https://world-geography-games.com/world.html
Geography gaming!
Blue Peter Badges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/joinin/about-blue-peter-badges
If you have a stamp and a nearby post box.
The Artful Parent
https://www.facebook.com/artfulparent/
Good, free art activities
Red Ted Art
https://www.redtedart.com
Easy arts and crafts for little ones
The Imagination Tree
https://theimaginationtree.com
Creative art and craft activities for the very youngest.
Toy Theater
https://toytheater.com/
Educational online games
DK Find Out
https://www.dkfindout.com/uk/...
Activities and quizzes
Twinkl
https://www.twinkl.co.uk
This is more for printouts, and usually at a fee, but they are offering a month of free access to parents in the event of school closures.

And what? Are you trying to prove teachers are obsolete? What's your point? Do teachers mark this stuff. Do they come into your house and teach it?

No, I was trying to be helpful and provide you with some links to online learning materials to go through with your child.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Boycey on June 06, 2020, 10:49:00 PM
trailer seems like a very angry man to me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 10:59:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 06, 2020, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Great posts. Great in fact!

I've sat back and watched it on here for a while too be fair....but it really started to bug me....

It's about taking a bit of responsibility FFS....instead of coming on here talking absolute manure...

My kids....my responsibility....end off

We actually find it hard keeping up with the tasks sent out by the teachers on a Sunday evening.....but I tell you what....heaven and earth...by the following Friday we have all the work done and uploaded....

You think in 10 years time I'll look back and blame the CV19 or teachers for the development of my kids? Will I fcuk....that's my job and I'll make sure one way or another they are not behind....

Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating.

So teachers should bend over backwards and ignore all medical advice so that you in your very specific circumstances are accommodated?
In normal times this doesn't happen, why should it now? The fact is it's difficult for everyone no matter their circumstances. A teacher's job is like any job, they do what they are contracted to do and often much more.

You're not special. Stop acting like it should revolve around you.

What medical advice? The advice that shows that this is a disease that affects 70 year old nursing home residents? In NI there has been roughly 570 odd deaths I think and well over 50% of them are in care homes. I do need to check but I am fairly sure none of the teachers in my local school live in a care home.
Please and I genuinely mean this, can you explain what risk there is to children and teachers?

The medical advice that says we must social distance, wash our hands, not meet in large groups etc etc etc. It's well published advice, look it up.
If you look at excess deaths here, it's almost 1k deaths here.
The risk is not entirely to the kids and teachers, there's all the school staff from cleaners to kitchen staff, bus drivers and then all of their extended families. Getting the picture yet?
Take a primary school with 200, that's probably 140 different families. Which exposes probably 1k to extra risk. Then with staff, maybe another 100 people.
Then consider pickups and drop offs and how to keep kids apart.
Can you really not see it adds risk to more than just the children? And what if one children dies of covid? Was it still worth the risk? If it was your child would it still have been worth it? Or your child's friend?
If you don't understand that,vthen there is no point debating with you because you have a point of view which is not based on science but instead on your slant on the science which would be best for your circumstances.

Last week I saw 3 teachers at a birthday party. Social distancing = 0.
Our school has literally just taken the time off. I am not exaggerating, They've done nothing except 1 pack sent home.
Forgive me if I think that the teaching community is taking advantage.

Teachers are allowed a social life as much as anyone else, but yes they should have been social distancing.
I wouldn't be happy sending my kids into a class withe a teacher who doesn't follow guidelines which is another issue entirely.

If that is all your school has provided, that is not acceptable. 100% agree with you and I'd raise that with the principal and board of governors asap. Children are being failed there.
But that is not universally the case. I've got kids in primary and secondary and it certainly isn't my experience. My wife is a primary teacher and it's not what they do either. Generally the primarys are issuing work pack 4 weeks at a time and are engaging on class dojo. Commenting on work and marking and answering queries.
I have noticed older teachers are not as active online, but we have to remember most have no training on delivering teaching this way.
Secondary school uses Google classroom and kids are set work weekly with deadlines. Most teachers are very responsive to questions from kids and most mark work and provide feedback. Some teachers do more than others.
It's not perfectand not as good as the classroom but it's good given the circumstances.

Seriously I'd contact the school and make a formal complaint as it must be incredibly frustrating. But all schools and teachers shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.

I've raised it with principal last week and I'm awaiting a response.
I've also taken "personal responsibility" and employed a tutor. However I feel for those who cannot afford such an intervention.

Dont ever chat shit to me again you p***k..

And here was me feeling sorry for you...

I quote

"Aren't you the f**king hero? What about parents who can't, either because they're working or because they don't have the academic ability? Single parents? maybe working in a low paid full time job? Your bullshit idyllic scenario is frankly nauseating"

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 06, 2020, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:30:45 PM
 

FREE online education resources
A non-exhaustive list that might help those affected by school closures due to coronavirus, compiled by home educators.
Feel free to share.
Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org
Especially good for maths and computing for all ages but other subjects at Secondary level. Note this uses the U.S. grade system but it's mostly common material.
BBC Learning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/coursesearch/
This site is old and no longer updated and yet there's so much still available, from language learning to BBC Bitesize for revision. No TV licence required except for content on BBC iPlayer.
Futurelearn
https://www.futurelearn.com
Free to access 100s of courses, only pay to upgrade if you need a certificate in your name (own account from age 14+ but younger learners can use a parent account).
Seneca
https://www.senecalearning.com
For those revising at GCSE or A level. Tons of free revision content. Paid access to higher level material.
Openlearn
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/
Free taster courses aimed at those considering Open University but everyone can access it. Adult level, but some e.g. nature and environment courses could well be of interest to young people.
Blockly
https://blockly.games
Learn computer programming skills - fun and free.
Scratch
https://scratch.mit.edu/explore/projects/games/
Creative computer programming
Ted Ed
https://ed.ted.com
All sorts of engaging educational videos
National Geographic Kids
https://www.natgeokids.com/uk/
Activities and quizzes for younger kids.
Duolingo
https://www.duolingo.com
Learn languages for free. Web or app.
Mystery Science
https://mysteryscience.com
Free science lessons
The Kids Should See This
https://thekidshouldseethis.com
Wide range of cool educational videos
Crash Course
https://thecrashcourse.com
You Tube videos on many subjects
Crash Course Kids
https://m.youtube.com/user/crashcoursekids
As above for a younger audience
Crest Awards
https://www.crestawards.org
Science awards you can complete from home.
iDEA Awards
https://idea.org.uk
Digital enterprise award scheme you can complete online.
Paw Print Badges
https://www.pawprintbadges.co.uk
Free challenge packs and other downloads. Many activities can be completed indoors. Badges cost but are optional.
Tinkercad
https://www.tinkercad.com
All kinds of making.
Prodigy Maths
https://www.prodigygame.com
Is in U.S. grades, but good for UK Primary age.
Cbeebies Radio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/radio
Listening activities for the younger ones.
Nature Detectives
https://naturedetectives.woodlandtrust.org.uk/naturedetect.../
A lot of these can be done in a garden, or if you can get to a remote forest location!
British Council
https://www.britishcouncil.org/school-resources/find
Resources for English language learning
Oxford Owl for Home
https://www.oxfordowl.co.uk/for-home/
Lots of free resources for Primary age
Big History Project
https://www.bighistoryproject.com/home
Aimed at Secondary age. Multi disciplinary activities.
Geography Games
https://world-geography-games.com/world.html
Geography gaming!
Blue Peter Badges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/joinin/about-blue-peter-badges
If you have a stamp and a nearby post box.
The Artful Parent
https://www.facebook.com/artfulparent/
Good, free art activities
Red Ted Art
https://www.redtedart.com
Easy arts and crafts for little ones
The Imagination Tree
https://theimaginationtree.com
Creative art and craft activities for the very youngest.
Toy Theater
https://toytheater.com/
Educational online games
DK Find Out
https://www.dkfindout.com/uk/...
Activities and quizzes
Twinkl
https://www.twinkl.co.uk
This is more for printouts, and usually at a fee, but they are offering a month of free access to parents in the event of school closures.

And what? Are you trying to prove teachers are obsolete? What's your point? Do teachers mark this stuff. Do they come into your house and teach it?

At this stage you grow a set of balls and educate your own kids in this strange time....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
Speaking from the South.

To be fair most teachers have been caught of guard by this. We were sold this that it was only for 2/3 weeks originally. But they have week after week left a lot of onus on (in most cases busy and even more stressed) Parents.

There has been a clamour in the general business community to try to get things up and running again. How to work around things. This urgency does not exist for the Public service. Teachers know their job is secure and they will get full wages no matter what effort they make to work or return to work. It is human nature where there is no incentive to work, the easy option will be taken. One e-mail on a Sunday has been the sum total of each of my three teachers work for the week. No Model answers, No collection and correction of work done.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 12:34:43 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2020, 12:19:17 AM
Working on a Sunday. This country is on its ear.

Try it some time, it has it's rewards! Which country are you on about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 07, 2020, 06:32:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
Speaking from the South.

To be fair most teachers have been caught of guard by this. We were sold this that it was only for 2/3 weeks originally. But they have week after week left a lot of onus on (in most cases busy and even more stressed) Parents.

There has been a clamour in the general business community to try to get things up and running again. How to work around things. This urgency does not exist for the Public service. Teachers know their job is secure and they will get full wages no matter what effort they make to work or return to work. It is human nature where there is no incentive to work, the easy option will be taken. One e-mail on a Sunday has been the sum total of each of my three teachers work for the week. No Model answers, No collection and correction of work done.

Did you complain to the principal about the standard of the said education as I asked in some other thread regarding covid19?  Three weeks...seriously?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 07, 2020, 06:32:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
Speaking from the South.

To be fair most teachers have been caught of guard by this. We were sold this that it was only for 2/3 weeks originally. But they have week after week left a lot of onus on (in most cases busy and even more stressed) Parents.

There has been a clamour in the general business community to try to get things up and running again. How to work around things. This urgency does not exist for the Public service. Teachers know their job is secure and they will get full wages no matter what effort they make to work or return to work. It is human nature where there is no incentive to work, the easy option will be taken. One e-mail on a Sunday has been the sum total of each of my three teachers work for the week. No Model answers, No collection and correction of work done.

Did you complain to the principal about the standard of the said education as I asked in some other thread regarding covid19?  Three weeks...seriously?
Well if we knew it was more than 3 weeks why did the schools not have a proper program put in place.

Do you think I should complain? Do you think there is anything to complain about? Do you think the teachers hands are tied? Do you think the Teachers should receive full wages in the current circumstances? Do you think everybody should receive full wages whether they work or not!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Can only talk about what I see, and teachers (that I know personally) are working via google classroom emails doing corrections and giving feedback. Why shouldn't they get paid like people who work from home?

I've friends in the street, one works for finance and his wife works for the council, they are working from home and getting paid! Could they do their job better at the office or face to face with clients? Yes no doubt about that.

So should they not get paid bunker?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 07, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 12:12:44 AM
Speaking from the South.

To be fair most teachers have been caught of guard by this. We were sold this that it was only for 2/3 weeks originally. But they have week after week left a lot of onus on (in most cases busy and even more stressed) Parents.

There has been a clamour in the general business community to try to get things up and running again. How to work around things. This urgency does not exist for the Public service. Teachers know their job is secure and they will get full wages no matter what effort they make to work or return to work. It is human nature where there is no incentive to work, the easy option will be taken. One e-mail on a Sunday has been the sum total of each of my three teachers work for the week. No Model answers, No collection and correction of work done.

That is poor to be fair. I'd be asking the teacher what is going on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlieTully on June 07, 2020, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 06, 2020, 09:30:45 PM
 

FREE online education resources
A non-exhaustive list that might help those affected by school closures due to coronavirus, compiled by home educators.
Feel free to share.
Khan Academy
https://www.khanacademy.org
Especially good for maths and computing for all ages but other subjects at Secondary level. Note this uses the U.S. grade system but it's mostly common material.
BBC Learning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/coursesearch/
This site is old and no longer updated and yet there's so much still available, from language learning to BBC Bitesize for revision. No TV licence required except for content on BBC iPlayer.
Futurelearn
https://www.futurelearn.com
Free to access 100s of courses, only pay to upgrade if you need a certificate in your name (own account from age 14+ but younger learners can use a parent account).
Seneca
https://www.senecalearning.com
For those revising at GCSE or A level. Tons of free revision content. Paid access to higher level material.
Openlearn
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/
Free taster courses aimed at those considering Open University but everyone can access it. Adult level, but some e.g. nature and environment courses could well be of interest to young people.
Blockly
https://blockly.games
Learn computer programming skills - fun and free.
Scratch
https://scratch.mit.edu/explore/projects/games/
Creative computer programming
Ted Ed
https://ed.ted.com
All sorts of engaging educational videos
National Geographic Kids
https://www.natgeokids.com/uk/
Activities and quizzes for younger kids.
Duolingo
https://www.duolingo.com
Learn languages for free. Web or app.
Mystery Science
https://mysteryscience.com
Free science lessons
The Kids Should See This
https://thekidshouldseethis.com
Wide range of cool educational videos
Crash Course
https://thecrashcourse.com
You Tube videos on many subjects
Crash Course Kids
https://m.youtube.com/user/crashcoursekids
As above for a younger audience
Crest Awards
https://www.crestawards.org
Science awards you can complete from home.
iDEA Awards
https://idea.org.uk
Digital enterprise award scheme you can complete online.
Paw Print Badges
https://www.pawprintbadges.co.uk
Free challenge packs and other downloads. Many activities can be completed indoors. Badges cost but are optional.
Tinkercad
https://www.tinkercad.com
All kinds of making.
Prodigy Maths
https://www.prodigygame.com
Is in U.S. grades, but good for UK Primary age.
Cbeebies Radio
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/radio
Listening activities for the younger ones.
Nature Detectives
https://naturedetectives.woodlandtrust.org.uk/naturedetect.../
A lot of these can be done in a garden, or if you can get to a remote forest location!
British Council
https://www.britishcouncil.org/school-resources/find
Resources for English language learning
Oxford Owl for Home
https://www.oxfordowl.co.uk/for-home/
Lots of free resources for Primary age
Big History Project
https://www.bighistoryproject.com/home
Aimed at Secondary age. Multi disciplinary activities.
Geography Games
https://world-geography-games.com/world.html
Geography gaming!
Blue Peter Badges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/joinin/about-blue-peter-badges
If you have a stamp and a nearby post box.
The Artful Parent
https://www.facebook.com/artfulparent/
Good, free art activities
Red Ted Art
https://www.redtedart.com
Easy arts and crafts for little ones
The Imagination Tree
https://theimaginationtree.com
Creative art and craft activities for the very youngest.
Toy Theater
https://toytheater.com/
Educational online games
DK Find Out
https://www.dkfindout.com/uk/...
Activities and quizzes
Twinkl
https://www.twinkl.co.uk
This is more for printouts, and usually at a fee, but they are offering a month of free access to parents in the event of school closures.

thanks for this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 07, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
LOL. Well teachers should stay away from Gym classes, and shops and coffee takeaway places. All the gaffs that I have met teachers over this past few weeks. It's laughable, it really is.
A child's education is paramount. It is the very definition of key work.

And what gym classes have you seen teachers at recently. Or anyone for that matter
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
He's a fantasist, has no kids or wife and no job! Goes against the grain just for attention
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Can only talk about what I see, and teachers (that I know personally) are working via google classroom emails doing corrections and giving feedback. Why shouldn't they get paid like people who work from home?

I've friends in the street, one works for finance and his wife works for the council, they are working from home and getting paid! Could they do their job better at the office or face to face with clients? Yes no doubt about that.

So should they not get paid bunker?

Would you pay a Carpenter/Plumber/Accountant/Dentist full money for a job if they emailed you the instructions and left you to do the job?

I Can only talk about what I don't see, and teachers (that I know personally) are not working via google classroom, not doing corrections and not giving feedback.

Look they are on the Gravy train. It's been one long holiday. Chances are this will continue in dribs and drabs in September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Can only talk about what I see, and teachers (that I know personally) are working via google classroom emails doing corrections and giving feedback. Why shouldn't they get paid like people who work from home?

I've friends in the street, one works for finance and his wife works for the council, they are working from home and getting paid! Could they do their job better at the office or face to face with clients? Yes no doubt about that.

So should they not get paid bunker?

Would you pay a Carpenter/Plumber/Accountant/Dentist full money for a job if they emailed you the instructions and left you to do the job?

I Can only talk about what I don't see, and teachers (that I know personally) are not working via google classroom, not doing corrections and not giving feedback.

Look they are on the Gravy train. It's been one long holiday. Chances are this will continue in dribs and drabs in September.

So am I on a free gravy train too? I work in private sector and been out of work since 22nd of March?

Furloughed and not back till 15th, my job is simple, sales, don't make sales don't make money. But because of my job I work with the vulnerable and it's not been safe for me or my clients to be in close contact until recent rules have been relaxed.

When lockdown rules are released further then teachers will go back.


Why are you bringing up other jobs?

Teachers teach in a class, usually 30 in them, are you telling me it's safe to do that? Where's your link to say that kids don't spread Covid? You're happy to send your child into that environment without knowing if it's ok? Like, completely ok?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Can only talk about what I see, and teachers (that I know personally) are working via google classroom emails doing corrections and giving feedback. Why shouldn't they get paid like people who work from home?

I've friends in the street, one works for finance and his wife works for the council, they are working from home and getting paid! Could they do their job better at the office or face to face with clients? Yes no doubt about that.

So should they not get paid bunker?

Would you pay a Carpenter/Plumber/Accountant/Dentist full money for a job if they emailed you the instructions and left you to do the job?

I Can only talk about what I don't see, and teachers (that I know personally) are not working via google classroom, not doing corrections and not giving feedback.

Look they are on the Gravy train. It's been one long holiday. Chances are this will continue in dribs and drabs in September.

So am I on a free gravy train too? I work in private sector and been out of work since 22nd of March?

Furloughed and not back till 15th, my job is simple, sales, don't make sales don't make money. But because of my job I work with the vulnerable and it's not been safe for me or my clients to be in close contact until recent rules have been relaxed.

When lockdown rules are released further then teachers will go back.


Why are you bringing up other jobs?

Teachers teach in a class, usually 30 in them, are you telling me it's safe to do that? Where's your link to say that kids don't spread Covid? You're happy to send your child into that environment without knowing if it's ok? Like, completely ok?
In the North if people are in around the 2500 a month cap then even at 80% lots of them will be absolutely loving it with the weather we have been having. Saving money on travel, childcare etc. they'll.make up the 20% shortfall. In the south €350 a week. The people not loving it are those on big money with a lifestyle to match. It'll all need paid back in the long run.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 09:44:23 PM
Is it £2500 then taxed? I've been lucky enough as work has looked after us, I wouldn't have struggled but would have been taking a hit wages wise had we'd been just given the basic
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 07, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
I think it's taxed. I don't think people's are living in luxury on this furlough money...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 07, 2020, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
I think it's taxed. I don't think people's are living in luxury on this furlough money...
It's taxed surely - income and NI.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
Can only talk about what I see, and teachers (that I know personally) are working via google classroom emails doing corrections and giving feedback. Why shouldn't they get paid like people who work from home?

I've friends in the street, one works for finance and his wife works for the council, they are working from home and getting paid! Could they do their job better at the office or face to face with clients? Yes no doubt about that.

So should they not get paid bunker?

Would you pay a Carpenter/Plumber/Accountant/Dentist full money for a job if they emailed you the instructions and left you to do the job?

I Can only talk about what I don't see, and teachers (that I know personally) are not working via google classroom, not doing corrections and not giving feedback.

Look they are on the Gravy train. It's been one long holiday. Chances are this will continue in dribs and drabs in September.

So am I on a free gravy train too? I work in private sector and been out of work since 22nd of March?

Furloughed and not back till 15th, my job is simple, sales, don't make sales don't make money. But because of my job I work with the vulnerable and it's not been safe for me or my clients to be in close contact until recent rules have been relaxed.

When lockdown rules are released further then teachers will go back.


Why are you bringing up other jobs?

Teachers teach in a class, usually 30 in them, are you telling me it's safe to do that? Where's your link to say that kids don't spread Covid? You're happy to send your child into that environment without knowing if it's ok? Like, completely ok?

Did I say anything about Teachers (in the Republic) going back to school? This is about pulling their weight while ''working from home''. I have teachers (that I know personally) are not working via google classroom, not doing corrections and not giving feedback. One email a week. If they cannot do a weeks work because of constraints, then they are entitled to the Covid 19 payment of €350 at least. You are either working or you cannot work and receive the Covid payment like everyone else out of work.

From respondents here from the North, Teachers there seem to be making a fair effort, doing what they can and not coasting.

There's no gravy train for the Private sector! They live in the real world of job vulnerability. Most are anxious to get back working as they know their work depends on getting the ball rolling again as soon as possible.

Once again, I reiterate Teachers are an important part of society. Good ones improve not only a childs education, they can be important in many different aspects of a childs development.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2020, 10:20:29 PM
Anyway, is the teachers' back pay getting paid this month?

Apparently so! How much do you think we will get? Double whatever our wage is?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2020, 10:20:29 PM
Anyway, is the teachers' back pay getting paid this month?

Apparently so! How much do you think we will get? Double whatever our wage is?

We've picked a holiday for it, we are both 50 in just over a year, so New York in 2021 October during first term when she's off again! It'll go towards the flights lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2020, 10:20:29 PM
Anyway, is the teachers' back pay getting paid this month?

Apparently so! How much do you think we will get? Double whatever our wage is?

We've picked a holiday for it, we are both 50 in just over a year, so New York in 2021 October during first term when she's off again! It'll go towards the flights lol

You were 50 about 10 years ago
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2020, 09:03:14 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2020, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 08, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 07, 2020, 10:20:29 PM
Anyway, is the teachers' back pay getting paid this month?

Apparently so! How much do you think we will get? Double whatever our wage is?

We've picked a holiday for it, we are both 50 in just over a year, so New York in 2021 October during first term when she's off again! It'll go towards the flights lol

You were 50 about 10 years ago

Jesus!! 50 is bad enough!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ned on June 09, 2020, 12:32:15 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
I think it's taxed. I don't think people's are living in luxury on this furlough money...

Exactly. It's taxed. So even if you are on that top bracket you are still taking a hit. No one is being paid £2500 straight into their pockets. Even someone on a modest wage is probably taking a hit of £300 per month or equivalent of nearly a weeks wages. And all through no fault of their own. Could you manage with one weeks wages less per month?
This is leaving a lot of people fearing for their jobs and financial future. So save me your sanctimonious shit about teachers or whoever getting it handy. Most of them would probably prefer not to be in this position. Yeah, there will be instances of some taking the piss but they obviously aren't in it for the vocation anyway. I know a few teachers, family and friends, who have worked at their local school continuously since lockdown OR make sure they are up each day setting lessons and homework and available until normal hometime (while also schooling their own children). Lessons have had to be restructured to suit home learning which isn't as easy as it sounds. A probationary teacher I know stayed on her own 120 miles from home just to carry on doing her job. This was to the detriment of her own mental health as she had no support outside of the school.
I can guarantee plenty who have been furloughed would prefer to work. Chances are I could  be bankrupt before the end of the year. Think about what you are saying before casting wild generalisations.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on June 09, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
I know quite a few teachers and not one of them has been in the school more than a couple of days a week, and I think those days are just to steal tea bags from the school. This working round the clock from teachers is absolute nonsense. They are doing a couple of hours here and there and that's it, and that's ok but don't be bullshitting us
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on June 09, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
I know quite a few teachers and not one of them has been in the school more than a couple of days a week, and I think those days are just to steal tea bags from the school. This working round the clock from teachers is absolute nonsense. They are doing a couple of hours here and there and that's it, and that's ok but don't be bullshitting us

So you know quite a few teachers, but not all? The ones you know have been in school a couple days a week, then they do a few hours a day?

So they are doing something?

No one is working round the clock if they are furloughed or teaching, if they could go to work they would, directing annoyance at teachers is a bit daft, it's the governments that closed the schools. Not just here but worldwide.

I'm still in bed! Wife is doing some classroom stuff, think I'll go for a walk with the dogs, not disturb her!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 09, 2020, 03:05:42 PM
Saw a few accountants heading out to play golf there. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 09, 2020, 05:13:30 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 09, 2020, 10:06:47 AM
They have been in school?! Jaysus.

::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 09, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
Just been talking to a few teachers the last few days. They put me straight on a few matters. They don't get paid to do a child minding service while Parents are at work. Parents are the real teachers of children. All have been working as hard as ever going into School each day (except for assigned holidays) doing their 6 hours preparing work for the week ahead, correcting work from the week previous and giving general feedback. Anyone who thinks that an empty room from kids everyday is a doddle are only kidding themselves.
No one appreciates that the teachers free time of Sunday evening is interrupted without compensation when sending out e-mails. All are looking forward to the well earned break of the Summer Holidays in two weeks.

They say the problem is that most parents now realise how hard a job it is teaching children and most are fed up after an hour never mind six hours in a day. And any one criticising are looking for someone to blame for their ineptitude.

Must say I hold my hand up - I was wrong all along!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 09, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
Just been talking to a few teachers the last few days. They put me straight on a few matters. They don't get paid to do a child minding service while Parents are at work. Parents are the real teachers of children. All have been working as hard as ever going into School each day (except for assigned holidays) doing their 6 hours preparing work for the week ahead, correcting work from the week previous and giving general feedback. Anyone who thinks that an empty room from kids everyday is a doddle are only kidding themselves.
No one appreciates that the teachers free time of Sunday evening is interrupted without compensation when sending out e-mails. All are looking forward to the well earned break of the Summer Holidays in two weeks.

They say the problem is that most parents now realise how hard a job it is teaching children and most are fed up after an hour never mind six hours in a day. And any one criticising are looking for someone to blame for their ineptitude.

Must say I hold my hand up - I was wrong all along!

Damn friggin' right. Teachers are in loco parentis for their time with the children. Parents ARE the real teachers of children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 09, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 09, 2020, 10:34:44 PM
Just been talking to a few teachers the last few days. They put me straight on a few matters. They don't get paid to do a child minding service while Parents are at work. Parents are the real teachers of children. All have been working as hard as ever going into School each day (except for assigned holidays) doing their 6 hours preparing work for the week ahead, correcting work from the week previous and giving general feedback. Anyone who thinks that an empty room from kids everyday is a doddle are only kidding themselves.
No one appreciates that the teachers free time of Sunday evening is interrupted without compensation when sending out e-mails. All are looking forward to the well earned break of the Summer Holidays in two weeks.

They say the problem is that most parents now realise how hard a job it is teaching children and most are fed up after an hour never mind six hours in a day. And any one criticising are looking for someone to blame for their ineptitude.

Must say I hold my hand up - I was wrong all along!

Damn friggin' right. Teachers are in loco parentis for their time with the children. Parents ARE the real teachers of children.

Yes, it's about time Parents pulled up their sleeves, found this out and took the real learning on.  Schools could be closed and teachers could, well,  do some other job!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 10, 2020, 06:49:10 AM
Weir announces that p7 pupils and teachers back on August 17th.
We ll see about that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 10, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
I've holidays booked for the 17th to 23rd. Peter will have to cover my class for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 10, 2020, 07:15:34 AM
Yes i have holidays booked too. Petes going to have to have a rethink
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on June 10, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
Ye'll not be getting on those holidays so it'll be grand.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
Ye'll not be getting on those holidays so it'll be grand.
Not even to Ballycastle? Fs!

Just go on the sick
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 10, 2020, 09:14:49 AM
I can see myself having to isolate around the ring of Kerry for the last 2 weeks of August.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on June 10, 2020, 09:16:46 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 10, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
Ye'll not be getting on those holidays so it'll be grand.
Not even to Ballycastle? Fs!

That sounds like more work then actual work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Teachers starting on 17th will be entitled to extra pay or two weeks in lieu.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 10, 2020, 07:09:12 PM
Jesus wept wait till smurfy hears this
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GJL on June 10, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Teachers starting on 17th will be entitled to extra pay or two weeks in lieu.

I take it you're joking!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 10, 2020, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Teachers starting on 17th will be entitled to extra pay or two weeks in lieu.

I take it you're joking!

No - Minister Weir said tonight that only P7s teachers would be back on 17th August - so they would be entitled to additional pay.

Staff ,who worked over Easter week , would get extra pay , as these hours are outside of their contracted hours
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GJL on June 11, 2020, 01:40:58 AM
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on June 11, 2020, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Teachers starting on 17th will be entitled to extra pay or two weeks in lieu.

Well deserved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 11, 2020, 07:25:31 PM
The union is giving off now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
Return on 17th subject to changes and agreement by those involved ,now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on June 11, 2020, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: GJL on June 10, 2020, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 10, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
Teachers starting on 17th will be entitled to extra pay or two weeks in lieu.

I take it you're joking!
I wouldn't think so. You work extra, you get paid extra.

::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 11, 2020, 08:09:59 PM
Any chance we can claim for phonecalls made at home?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:13:54 PM
Good point - Tax deductible
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2020, 08:09:59 PM
Any chance we can claim for phonecalls made at home?

Use of broadband also
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
PE KIT
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 11, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
Return on 17th subject to changes and agreement by those involved ,now

Wouldn't have a big problem returning earlier than normal as long as it's part of the 185 teaching days as agreed in the deal made in April. Longer Xmas/ Easter holidays to balance out
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 11, 2020, 11:42:18 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 11, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
Return on 17th subject to changes and agreement by those involved ,now

Wouldn't have a big problem returning earlier than normal as long as it's part of the 185 teaching days as agreed in the deal made in April. Longer Xmas/ Easter holidays to balance out

In Wales, they announced that the schools would be open for an extra week this side of the summer holidays, but that the first half term break in October would be extended to two weeks.

Plans for how and when pupils will return to school in Wales have been announced.

The country's education minister Kirsty Williams said schools will work "very differently" to the way they did before lockdown.

There will be a four-week term starting from Monday 29 June, that will finish on Monday 27 July.

There will also be an extra week added to the Autumn half-term break.

Class sizes will be smaller, but schools will be open to all years for limited periods during the week.

Each year will be split into groups and there will be staggered starts, lessons and break times. This means that at most a third of pupils will be in school at any one time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 12, 2020, 12:06:11 AM
Quote from: Estimator on June 11, 2020, 11:42:18 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 11, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 11, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
Return on 17th subject to changes and agreement by those involved ,now

Wouldn't have a big problem returning earlier than normal as long as it's part of the 185 teaching days as agreed in the deal made in April. Longer Xmas/ Easter holidays to balance out

In Wales, they announced that the schools would be open for an extra week this side of the summer holidays, but that the first half term break in October would be extended to two weeks.

Plans for how and when pupils will return to school in Wales have been announced.

The country's education minister Kirsty Williams said schools will work "very differently" to the way they did before lockdown.

There will be a four-week term starting from Monday 29 June, that will finish on Monday 27 July.

There will also be an extra week added to the Autumn half-term break.

Class sizes will be smaller, but schools will be open to all years for limited periods during the week.

Each year will be split into groups and there will be staggered starts, lessons and break times. This means that at most a third of pupils will be in school at any one time.


It will be a similar restart plan in north.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 16, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
Weir at it again....now he looking teachers to run a fortnight summer learning camps in schools..
if anyone was foolish enough to go with this they would need to be in fir a few days beforehand to prepare
Take a day or two off then back in good time to prepare for the return on 17th.
Some neck!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 16, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 16, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
Weir at it again....now he looking teachers to run a fortnight summer learning camps in schools..
if anyone was foolish enough to go with this they would need to be in fir a few days beforehand to prepare
Take a day or two off then back in good time to prepare for the return on 17th.
Some neck!

Yeah nonsense idea, as is returning on the 17th without an answer to childcare issues, contractual issues, advice on who cleans what, consulting with teachers....

In saying all of that, I don't envy his position. He's really in a no-win situation and to be fair to him, this is un-precedented and there is no correct or easy solution.
Every scenario is going to have an element of risk to children, teachers, families and support staff.

However, he's not helping himself at all by just announcing these things without taking into account all the implications.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 01:46:57 PM
At secondary level my wife will be back on the 17th August to teach 5th years and upper 6th.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 16, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 01:46:57 PM
At secondary level my wife will be back on the 17th August to teach 5th years and upper 6th.

Will she have to go into school a week earlier to prepare for the 17th?
Will teachers who dont teach 5th years and upper 6th also return at the same time?
There seems to be mixed messages around this.
My wife is a primary teacher, and her principle is telling them that they all have to return on the 17th.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 16, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
You can have either of two solutions
1. Pay the staff ,who return early for the weeks extra work-  17th - 21st August . Most schools will be back on 24th or 25th anyway for INSET.
2 . All staff back on 17th and add extra days on to each of the holidays scheduled at Christmas,  Easter etc .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on June 16, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
Peter Weir needs to realise it's the teaching unions run education here, not the Dept Of Education
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 16, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 01:46:57 PM
At secondary level my wife will be back on the 17th August to teach 5th years and upper 6th.

Will she have to go into school a week earlier to prepare for the 17th?
Will teachers who dont teach 5th years and upper 6th also return at the same time?
There seems to be mixed messages around this.
My wife is a primary teacher, and her principle is telling them that they all have to return on the 17th.

It'll be determined by the timetables I'd assume, if you're a teacher teaching juniors and they ain't in you'll continue to do your teaching from home as they have been doing, you can't just give one teacher  extra time off while the others work, the timetable wouldn't allow that I'd say. Extra weeks money would be a better call
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2020, 06:01:48 PM
Is this expected to make a pile of difference to anyone?

Yes, smufry will be chuffed and anyone that's had a holiday booked for that date!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 16, 2020, 07:12:04 PM
I don't envy examination boards. They probably don't know what way to turn right now in terms of specifications for next year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
I mean, what is Peter Weir planning to justify with this extra week? Looking at the year groups, is he thinking that all GCSEs, A-Levels & transfer tests can go ahead as normal, sure they got that extra week? Cos that'd be a heap of shite!

I'd say there's a good chance teachers will be predicting grades again next year.

That's been talked about within schools already
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 16, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
The whole thing is turning into a shambles. Guidance is due at end of June - it will only be guidance and not statutory requirements . Each school could be left to paddle their own canoe. No money available to cover additional costs to schools. Weir will be looking a bailout from june monitoring  round .

He handed  non contracted sub teachers about £8 million because schools  closed. 4 MLA s badgered him for weeks  to give them a hand out rather than the dole/universal credit and they had to commit to nothing . Would he not have thought to ask them to  work in summer schemes as a comeback .

Making it up as they go along !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 17, 2020, 10:21:18 AM
A lot of parents talking about dropping kids off at the start of September no matter what these dopey heads say. Certainly any that have work commitments.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 17, 2020, 10:21:18 AM
A lot of parents talking about dropping kids off at the start of September no matter what these dopey heads say. Certainly any that have work commitments.

link?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 05:48:01 PM
Why are schools saying they don't see a full return to schools in September?
This is actually laughable
Whilst at the start the teachers union probably had the backing of most they are starting to loose it and very quickly.
Coming out with statements saying they can't reioen in September
On the back of what?
Don't say social distancing as it will be 1 metre at most come September
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 17, 2020, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 05:48:01 PM
Why are schools saying they don't see a full return to schools in September?
This is actually laughable
Whilst at the start the teachers union probably had the backing of most they are starting to loose it and very quickly.
Coming out with statements saying they can't reioen in September
On the back of what?
Don't say social distancing as it will be 1 metre at most come September

School classrooms aren't aircraft hangars ffs .
1m social distancing allows a 50% intake per day .
A social bubble context allows for a 50 % intake per day .

The decisions for restarting are dedicated by DENI , schools will be expected to follow the guidance information.

A small country school of 60 , a town school of 400 and a secondary school will have different decisions to make, as their buildings are completely different .

No spike in covid will lead to schools moving through different stages of attendance.

Whatever the schools do , someone is going to take the hump.
Like it or lump it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
Catch a grip. All schools should be 100% full attendance in September and whether you like it or not they will be.
50% with a 1 metre catch yourself on.
What's the reasoning that you are so sure that schools will only run at 50%?
And why is that the case?
10 weeks until September
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2020, 06:36:00 PM
I'd just like the whole show back in September and work as normal ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
I find it hard that you can't grasp 1 metre apart would fit 30 into a class. What part do you not get?
So why are the teachers union still the only ones that seem to be complaining?
No complaining from the shop keepers or restaurant staff.
Why teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 17, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
No chance of 1 metre spacing in my room. Not a hope. Plus the younger classes will be a waste of time trying to keep 1 metre apart. They're be climbing over the top of each other. Hopefully by September we can just have the whole heap back in. Any parent not comfortable with it then they don't have to send them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
Agree Jim
Time to get them back in September and back as normal
No social distancing
Has to happen
And it will
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 17, 2020, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 04:00:12 PM
The single most important thing in all this believe it or not is keeping your distance
Whether you admit that or not
It's simple but very affective

Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
Agree Jim
Time to get them back in September and back as normal
No social distancing
Has to happen
And it will

You've u turned more times on Covid you've no idea what direction your going in 😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 09:14:03 PM
I'm talking about schools in September.
Not general everyday life
Kids need to get back to school
If pubs can open dropping from 2 metres to 1 metre to keep them happy surely schools can reopen in 10
Weeks full attendance
Only a mad man would think otherwise
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 17, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Totally agree with Smurf.

Teachers can surely wear masks if they're worried.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 17, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
Catch a grip. All schools should be 100% full attendance in September and whether you like it or not they will be.
50% with a 1 metre catch yourself on.
What's the reasoning that you are so sure that schools will only run at 50%?
And why is that the case?
10 weeks until September

A few pointers 
Initially ,Schools in north will follow the Dutch model of social bubbles of 15 children per group ./ class of 30, for example.
Most classes in newer schools are approx 60 sq. Metres
Each child will sit at a double desk which will take up 4 sq metres to ensure social distancing . Small country schools  and secondaries would have there own issues.
Under the proposals , teachers will be  social distancing in the room .How this will work for infants - no one knows .
It is expected that this is the starting point to get schools opened, it will ramp up quickly to full attendance , so long as the R  number remains low.

No one knows where we will be at in 10 weeks  time , I understand that , if the DENI said all back in Sept , that's not an issue.They have indicated a phased return at this stage.   it could be different in a weeks time .

What do you base your statement on that schools will return at 100%. ,because no one in the land has that knowledge.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 10:45:37 PM
Nobody has that knowledge?
The government came out today and said it is perfectly safe for school children to return to school
Jesus can't see why everyone else is now getting back yet teachers unions tell us they can't go back in September
Typical teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 17, 2020, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 10:45:37 PM
Nobody has that knowledge?
The government came out today and said it is perfectly safe for school children to return to school
Jesus can't see why everyone else is now getting back yet teachers unions tell us they can't go back in September
Typical teachers

At least , we agree on your first point .
Paul Girvan MP and Ben Lowry , newsletter are the only people who advocated a full return to school , from what I heard / read today.
Teachers Unions  dont have that great an influence on the Executive. Teachers will have to accept the decisions made by Executive. It is possible that under Covid emergency legislation  , that a decree to return on Aug 17th is passed at Assembly .

It is the unions job to protect their members , it doesnt mean that the majority of teachers dont want to get back to school asap.

I think by Sept , kids and parents will be completely pissed off with home learning and online work. A quick return to full attendance is required but ONLY the Executive can call that one
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 11:28:08 PM
Doctors in England are demanding that Boris gets the kids back
1600 Doctors can't be wrong
The cure now worse than the disease
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2020, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 11:28:08 PM
Doctors in England are demanding that Boris gets the kids back
1600 Doctors can't be wrong
The cure now worse than the disease

1600 doctors? There are over 301 thousand doctors in the uk ya muppet 180,000 medical
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 17, 2020, 11:48:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2020, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2020, 11:28:08 PM
Doctors in England are demanding that Boris gets the kids back
1600 Doctors can't be wrong
The cure now worse than the disease

1600 doctors? There are over 301 thousand doctors in the uk ya muppet

"The letter notes that the governments of Scotland and Wales have published plans for children returning to school at the end of the summer.
"We call on the UK government and the Northern Ireland executive to urgently publish clear plans for getting children back to school; and for all UK governments to deliver recovery plans for children and young people."
Two key points
1. END OF SUMMER !
2. IT CALLS FOR CLEAR PLANS .....

The Govt.s are yet to publish these plans and that is the real issue. They are due to be published next week , if we are lucky. Teachers should not be taking the flak for the faults of Government , direct your ire to the MLA''s , who over see the shambles .

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
Who mentioned the totality of doctors mill?
What's that got to do with it
1600 can't be wrong
You are far to comfortable sitting on your arse all day mill
Send it the shop keepers to work but not the teachers
Laughable at this stage
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 12:09:47 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
Who mentioned the totality of doctors mill?
What's that got to do with it
1600 can't be wrong
You are far to comfortable sitting on your arse all day mill
Send it the shop keepers to work but not the teachers
Laughable at this stage

It gives you perspective. If there was just 1600 doctors in the country I'd say, flip smurfy might be on to something here, but no, there's not, and you're full of crap.

I'm working, flat out out too!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Milltown what is your argument that full attendance in school in 10 weeks should not go ahead ?
Now a lot can happen in 10 weeks but it's actually laughable the teachers union is saying this won't be possible
Every other organisation in the world are finding ways to reopen bar the teachers
Crazy
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
And why can't we make an exception regarding social distancing with the confines of a school?
Every single kid should be back at school by September whether social distancing is 2 metres 1 metre or 0.5 regardless
That's what has to happen and I think it will
Come October I would be shocked absolutely shocked if emery school child was not back
Shocked
And they will be
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 18, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
And why can't we make an exception regarding social distancing with the confines of a school?
Every single kid should be back at school by September whether social distancing is 2 metres 1 metre or 0.5 regardless
That's what has to happen and I think it will
Come October I would be shocked absolutely shocked if emery school child was not back
Shocked
And they will be

So you are accepting that there is likely to be a phased start to school in September , with things ramping up to full attendance by October.

You should drop Peter Weir an email to confirm that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Milltown what is your argument that full attendance in school in 10 weeks should not go ahead ?
Now a lot can happen in 10 weeks but it's actually laughable the teachers union is saying this won't be possible
Every other organisation in the world are finding ways to reopen bar the teachers
Crazy

2 weeks is a long time with this virus and how things have changed but the schools will not be opening up before the 17th Aug (if that goes ahead) so whats your problem?

Teachers that I know (of which there are many) have been working, my wife is very busy, so your sweeping generalised points that teachers are lazy is nauseating at best.

P.E teachers may find it difficult but the girl across the street from me has given the kids the P.E. plan were they can work on their various training programs, and for most parts they kids have been sending in videos of them working out in the gardens and so on. not perfect but they are not being left out.

If a teacher gives out 1 hours work a day to each class that's plenty, remember they may have 9/10 different subjects.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
But sure we are all socially distancing ourselves and contact sport is back in a few weeks?
You have to adapt
They are now saying primary school kids in 40% of the time
Secondary week on week off
Laughable
Absolutely laughable
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 18, 2020, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Milltown what is your argument that full attendance in school in 10 weeks should not go ahead ?
Now a lot can happen in 10 weeks but it's actually laughable the teachers union is saying this won't be possible
Every other organisation in the world are finding ways to reopen bar the teachers
Crazy

Every employer has to ensure a safe workplace and if they are going to open schools then they must ensure that they are safe workplaces.

In one way sport is different as it is recreation, not a workplace in general.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
Hearing 1 metre rule for children brought in NI
All schools should be able to accommodate full attendance
Well done to all
Makes absolute perfect sense
24th of August full return
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
Most schools will reopen as normal in September like every other years
Obviously before you say it some schools may not due to extraordinary reasons but schools will all reopen
Anyone who seriously didn't think the 1 metre rule would not be dropped for this is crazy
And by the time September comes it coukd well be 0.5 metres
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 18, 2020, 04:14:49 PM
No lego ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:36:01 PM
Full capacity Hardstation
Don't be backtracking
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
How?
Children are normally apart in class and still room around the class
There won't be as much walking space around the class as a few desks will needed to be moved
It really didn't take a genius to work that out
Full attendance in September end off
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
How?
Children are normally apart in class and still room around the class
There won't be as much walking space around the class as a few desks will needed to be moved
It really didn't take a genius to work that out
Full attendance in September end off

I would love full capacity in September but you're talking shite about classes being able to accommodate 1m space. My current classroom is big enough and it won't be able to do that with 30 children in the room. Not a chance in fact. They usually sit together in groups of 6.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 18, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
How?
Children are normally apart in class and still room around the class
There won't be as much walking space around the class as a few desks will needed to be moved
It really didn't take a genius to work that out
Full attendance in September end off

It's taken me a while but I just realised Smurfy must be a parody account. Fair play, a good one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
I think you expected a 50% return in September and you were wrong
To many on here saying the same
You do realise full attendance schools have to return for the economy to restart. Without schools returning the economy simply doesn't work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 04:48:21 PM
Full classes with 1 meter social distancing.
Not a chance.
Some people must reckon that the average class has about 15 pupils in them.  Most are nearer 30.



Teachers back in on the 17th.
Year 8, 12 and 14 in on the 24th.
Rest the week after
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 04:53:47 PM
And it would be much easier having a full class. It would be a complete pain trying to send work home to half the class and teach the other half. If they're all there then parents can chose to send them in or not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 18, 2020, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 18, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
And why can't we make an exception regarding social distancing with the confines of a school?
Every single kid should be back at school by September whether social distancing is 2 metres 1 metre or 0.5 regardless
That's what has to happen and I think it will
Come October I would be shocked absolutely shocked if emery school child was not back
Shocked
And they will be

So you are accepting that there is likely to be a phased start to school in September , with things ramping up to full attendance by October.

You should drop Peter Weir an email to confirm that

In fairness my mate's a VP of a primary in West Belfast who had a visit from Mr Weir and to say they were not impressed with him would be an understatement.

He hadn't a puff about what is happening, what is meant to be happening and when, let alone the how.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
This from the unions

It's welcome that the Minister has now listened to teachers and principals in relation to the 17th August. This was the main item of discussion at our meeting yesterday but we couldn't speak publicly on this until the Executive had ratified their decision.

In practice this means that the Executive are saying that P7, Year 12 and Year 14 should attend from the 24 August. Teachers can be asked to come in the week of the 17 to prepare but this is for individual schools to decide for how many days.

All of these days will count towards the 195 contractual days.

We did NOT know that the Executive would change the guidance from 2m social distancing to 1m for pupils and 2m for teachers and other staff.

It is important that teachers and principals who have planned a holiday during the agreed closure period for their school can take that holiday.

The NASUWT as part of the NITC met with Management Side today to begin drafting an agreement which protects teachers' terms and conditions if school opening days are changed. The NITC hope that this agreement will be with schools, principals and teachers next week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
Personally reckon full classes is the way to go
There's obvious issues with it especially for members of teaching staff who are shielding.
But I can't see how 1 meter will work in the majority of classrooms here. Hope it can
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on June 18, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
Great news. My eldest lad going into 7th year, so I'm assuming that his year will probably be as close to pre-covid normal as possible as A Level classes always tend to be more manageable numbers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
How?
Children are normally apart in class and still room around the class
There won't be as much walking space around the class as a few desks will needed to be moved
It really didn't take a genius to work that out
Full attendance in September end off

You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.

Your problem seems to be understanding what a metre looks like
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 18, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Teachers should sit 1 metre from children. If parents happy to send children, then send them. Let's see the who chooses education over a virus that has little or no effect on children or people under the age of 70.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 18, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Teachers should sit 1 metre from children. If parents happy to send children, then send them. Let's see the who chooses education over a virus that has little or no effect on children or people under the age of 70 ? 

Does it 'effect' anyone with asthma heart conditions COPD diabetes obesity ? Or is that only over 70's
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 05:47:50 PM
No I know what a metre is
Hardstation you are always looking to find problems
Have you seen any young lad catching this virus yet?
A principal was on the radio giving off about it was impossible. Weir put him in his place straight away. When there is a will there is a way. Where not possible classes can make a bubble. Stagger breaktime. Get different classes outside for some exercise which he said is very important.
Now is the time to start planning to find a way
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 18, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 18, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Teachers should sit 1 metre from children. If parents happy to send children, then send them. Let's see the who chooses education over a virus that has little or no effect on children or people under the age of 70.
More brains in a false face
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 18, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
And be a metre away from a pupil behind them? They could aye, but you'll not be fitting anywhere near 30 of them in many classrooms.
I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to work out what you might be able to get into a room. What's the general dimensions of teaching space in a classroom?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
And be a metre away from a pupil behind them? They could aye, but you'll not be fitting anywhere near 30 of them in many classrooms.
I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to work out what you might be able to get into a room. What's the general dimensions of teaching space in a classroom?

We do this for their assessments, with each child sitting opposite ends of the table but they're not able to stay away from the person behind them. It would be virtually impossible to have 1m distance. The room is just too small. Then in the lower classes it is definitely going to be impossible for them to stay away from each other. Our FS teacher has serious health condition and she's also had cancer a few years ago, she has 31 P1 children in her class this September. I'd say she will be worried because even if she has 10 in her class they'll be crawling over the top of each other and her.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 06:22:19 PM
Jim off course that P1 teacher will probably have to stay off for a bit longer but surely that's better than kids off?
Now take for example 8 around a table 1 metre then you have another 8 also 1 metre but both tables are separated by 0.5 metres as kids are back to back. That's the sort of stuff needs doing.
And I believe by September there will be no social distancing in schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 18, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
And be a metre away from a pupil behind them? They could aye, but you'll not be fitting anywhere near 30 of them in many classrooms.
I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to work out what you might be able to get into a room. What's the general dimensions of teaching space in a classroom?

We do this for their assessments, with each child sitting opposite ends of the table but they're not able to stay away from the person behind them. It would be virtually impossible to have 1m distance. The room is just too small. Then in the lower classes it is definitely going to be impossible for them to stay away from each other. Our FS teacher has serious health condition and she's also had cancer a few years ago, she has 31 P1 children in her class this September. I'd say she will be worried because even if she has 10 in her class they'll be crawling over the top of each other and her.

You make it sound like they're infected with the rage virus. Come on. Dial down the hysteria.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 06:38:45 PM
What's wrong with that Hardstation?
And trailer is right you are going on there as if kids are ramping Witt the virus
Do you know any kid that has had it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 06:42:07 PM
How did that affect both kids?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
Sorry seen hardstations response, end sitting perfect providing there's a metre behind them?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 06:56:24 PM
Very doable
But let's complain that it cant be done.
It's not going to be prefect but what is
2 metres social distancing now but nobody seems to be doing it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 18, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
And be a metre away from a pupil behind them? They could aye, but you'll not be fitting anywhere near 30 of them in many classrooms.
I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to work out what you might be able to get into a room. What's the general dimensions of teaching space in a classroom?

We do this for their assessments, with each child sitting opposite ends of the table but they're not able to stay away from the person behind them. It would be virtually impossible to have 1m distance. The room is just too small. Then in the lower classes it is definitely going to be impossible for them to stay away from each other. Our FS teacher has serious health condition and she's also had cancer a few years ago, she has 31 P1 children in her class this September. I'd say she will be worried because even if she has 10 in her class they'll be crawling over the top of each other and her.

You make it sound like they're infected with the rage virus. Come on. Dial down the hysteria.

I don't mean it like that at all. I mean they're 4 years old and spend a lot of their day playing in class. When the teacher is teaching they sit on the carpet together. As I have said many times, it wouldn't bother me at all and I would like to see the full P1 class and all classes return. My point is that there is no way of keeping them apart. We tried it at a hub school and it was impossible to keep them separated all day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 18, 2020, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
This from the unions

It's welcome that the Minister has now listened to teachers and principals in relation to the 17th August. This was the main item of discussion at our meeting yesterday but we couldn't speak publicly on this until the Executive had ratified their decision.

In practice this means that the Executive are saying that P7, Year 12 and Year 14 should attend from the 24 August. Teachers can be asked to come in the week of the 17 to prepare but this is for individual schools to decide for how many days.

All of these days will count towards the 195 contractual days.

We did NOT know that the Executive would change the guidance from 2m social distancing to 1m for pupils and 2m for teachers and other staff.

It is important that teachers and principals who have planned a holiday during the agreed closure period for their school can take that holiday.

The NASUWT as part of the NITC met with Management Side today to begin drafting an agreement which protects teachers' terms and conditions if school opening days are changed. The NITC hope that this agreement will be with schools, principals and teachers next week.

Notable but unsurprising that the majority of that statement from the union was about teachers getting their holidays, their terms and conditions and contractual days, with a throwaway line about 1m distancing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 07:47:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 18, 2020, 07:29:28 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
This from the unions

It's welcome that the Minister has now listened to teachers and principals in relation to the 17th August. This was the main item of discussion at our meeting yesterday but we couldn't speak publicly on this until the Executive had ratified their decision.

In practice this means that the Executive are saying that P7, Year 12 and Year 14 should attend from the 24 August. Teachers can be asked to come in the week of the 17 to prepare but this is for individual schools to decide for how many days.

All of these days will count towards the 195 contractual days.

We did NOT know that the Executive would change the guidance from 2m social distancing to 1m for pupils and 2m for teachers and other staff.

It is important that teachers and principals who have planned a holiday during the agreed closure period for their school can take that holiday.

The NASUWT as part of the NITC met with Management Side today to begin drafting an agreement which protects teachers' terms and conditions if school opening days are changed. The NITC hope that this agreement will be with schools, principals and teachers next week.

Notable but unsurprising that the majority of that statement from the union was about teachers getting their holidays, their terms and conditions and contractual days, with a throwaway line about 1m distancing.

The union, believe it or not, is there to look after their members. If someone had a holiday booked for the 2nd week in August should they not go? Do you work an extra week or two for nothing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 18, 2020, 08:19:58 PM
Suggested Measures from BBC NI:

Staggered starts and ends to the school day so parents are not dropping all children off at once.

Staggered meal and break times so children are not mixing in the playground with a lot of others at one time.

School meals may have to be eaten in classrooms or even outside.

There are likely to be one-way systems in school corridors.

Schools will be asked to use sports halls or libraries for classes, or even hold some outside if it's possible.

Children may not be able to bring things like books or stationery home and then back to school.

Items such as Lego and soft toys that are difficult to clean are likely to disappear from classes.


I can see parents and teachers having issues with some of these. Each school will need to create an individual action plan based around their own specific needs and requirements.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
Staggered starts, breaks and lunch times are fine in primary schools.
In a large secondary school they would be very hard to timetable for.
Schools are going to have to be very creative.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 18, 2020, 08:59:06 PM
Why's no one mentioning that Lego isn't allowed now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 18, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 04:36:01 PM
Full capacity Hardstation
Don't be backtracking

Not in any classroom in my school there won't !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 18, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 18, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2020, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 05:33:33 PM
You obviously went to a different type of school than most, but at my old school there was one table for two people sitting arm by arm, there were 30 per class. Was never a metre away.


Could those two people not sit at opposite ends of same table now, probably a metre away from each other rather than arm by arm?  Bit of a pain for space, but do-able.
And be a metre away from a pupil behind them? They could aye, but you'll not be fitting anywhere near 30 of them in many classrooms.
I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to work out what you might be able to get into a room. What's the general dimensions of teaching space in a classroom?

We do this for their assessments, with each child sitting opposite ends of the table but they're not able to stay away from the person behind them. It would be virtually impossible to have 1m distance. The room is just too small. Then in the lower classes it is definitely going to be impossible for them to stay away from each other. Our FS teacher has serious health condition and she's also had cancer a few years ago, she has 31 P1 children in her class this September. I'd say she will be worried because even if she has 10 in her class they'll be crawling over the top of each other and her.

You make it sound like they're infected with the rage virus. Come on. Dial down the hysteria.

I don't mean it like that at all. I mean they're 4 years old and spend a lot of their day playing in class. When the teacher is teaching they sit on the carpet together. As I have said many times, it wouldn't bother me at all and I would like to see the full P1 class and all classes return. My point is that there is no way of keeping them apart. We tried it at a hub school and it was impossible to keep them separated all day.

Fair enough
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Why Jim?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 10:24:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 09:50:07 PM
Why Jim?

With what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 10:26:36 PM
Sorry the other Jim 👍
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 18, 2020, 10:40:44 PM
So we are back on the 17th then and children on the 24th. Not a whole lot of difference than normal anyway.

The more i think of this then the more I can't see it lasting. It would take some serious effort to keep everyone separate, you would spend your time telling people off for standing too close never mind getting anything taught. If this thing turns out to be a seasonal thing and starts up again in the winter then do they close schools again??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 11:01:37 PM
What can you not see lasting?
I don't think we will ever see another lockdown
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 11:01:37 PM
What can you not see lasting?
I don't think we will ever see another lockdown

Depends on the r rate and spikes and how the virus mutates (if it does)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
There will be no more lockdowns
Maybe advice to stay indoors
Lockdown days are over
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 18, 2020, 11:20:14 PM
Arlene Foster gave me the info that HS couldn't- an average classroom is 60m sq. That doesn't feel big enough to fit 30 pupils plus a teacher in. Double decker desks? Build up when you can't build out?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 18, 2020, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 11:20:14 PM
Arlene Foster gave me the info that HS couldn't- an average classroom is 60m sq. That doesn't feel big enough to fit 30 pupils plus a teacher in. Double decker desks? Build up when you can't build out?
I just heard that on BBC - the numbers don't sound right. Mark Carruthers giving them a good going over.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 18, 2020, 11:44:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 18, 2020, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 18, 2020, 11:20:14 PM
Arlene Foster gave me the info that HS couldn't- an average classroom is 60m sq. That doesn't feel big enough to fit 30 pupils plus a teacher in. Double decker desks? Build up when you can't build out?
I just heard that on BBC - the numbers don't sound right. Mark Carruthers giving them a good going over.

Surmfy would know
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 18, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
There will be no more lockdowns
Maybe advice to stay indoors
Lockdown days are over
Being advised to stay indoors is the exact definition of a lockdown  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on June 19, 2020, 12:01:00 AM
Two questions: How did the other countries that have returned to schools successfully do it?
In any of these countries is there any evidence whatsoever that teachers have picked up the virus from schoolchildren?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 19, 2020, 07:09:54 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 18, 2020, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
There will be no more lockdowns
Maybe advice to stay indoors
Lockdown days are over
Being advised to stay indoors is the exact definition of a lockdown  ;D

;D I keep reading about no second wave since lockdown finished on this thread. Last time I checked we were still pretty locked down!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 08:13:00 AM
Doesn't seem like there is still a lockdown. The town was packed the other day there. Roads are quite busy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 08:58:55 AM
Mackers they returned when they were told. And nothing off the back of it. But the union here don't want back. Interesting statement they made most was about teachers entitled to holidays
Tommy where have you been? Lockdown is well over
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
Wonder if they've made a call on plasticine yet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
Wonder if they've made a call on plasticine yet.

PVA glue is the big call for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 09:03:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 08:58:55 AM
Mackers they returned when they were told. And nothing off the back of it. But the union here don't want back. Interesting statement they made most was about teachers entitled to holidays
Tommy where have you been? Lockdown is well over

What is your ideal plan Smurfy? Bring the children back now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 19, 2020, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2020, 12:01:00 AM
Two questions: How did the other countries that have returned to schools successfully do it?

In any of these countries is there any evidence whatsoever that teachers have picked up the virus from schoolchildren?

Posted this about a school in Holland. I could be wrong, but I don't think they ever initiated a full lockdown, but schools etc were closed.

And as much as Smurf would want to believe it, it wasn't a full and immediate return to normal.

The executive headteacher of the British School in the Netherlands explains how the school geared up to manage the return of its senior school cohort this week


Headteachers' instincts are to keep schools running. Snow days, burst boilers, winter flu – we have contingencies and can make adaptations but we're always open for learning.

Coronavirus, however, brought a new perspective to decision-making around school closure and has, without doubt, presented my biggest set of challenges in 15 years of headship.

Nearly three months on, our two senior schools have just reopened with the majority of our 1,200 students back in classrooms on alternate days, starting on 3 June.

How did we get here? Here are some key takeaways from this time:

The logistics
The new normal, already a cliché, is also a misnomer – since practice in all schools is governed by context.

We have reconsidered every element of a student's day, from the moment they pass through the school gate to their final footsteps out, ensuring that distancing is maintained at all times.


In a busy secondary school, with so many students usually moving between corridors and classrooms, this meant completely reshaping the school day, timetable, and flow.

Most learning spaces can accommodate up to 11 students, around half of our average class size and so we have created two populations based on surname to be in school alternate days.


Lesson duration has been reduced, settings and groupings changed and lunchtime modified. We've also staggered arrival and departure times for key stage 3 and KS4/5 with school now ending at 2.30pm to allow students to use public transport out of peak hours.

Industrial quantities of yellow signage and stripy tape adorn our building to reinforce one-way movement and painted distancing lines and directional arrows are de rigeur outside.

This is also true for areas that might not be so obvious – for instance, making taped pens available so students can't park their bikes too close to each other.

We've also had to mark out queuing areas outside of toilets and in a block of four urinals, taping up the middle two so that distancing can be maintained.

Decision making
Executive and senior leadership teams have had to be at their most optimistic and innovative to embrace the strategic and logistical challenges.

Clear, assured messaging to all parties has been essential. With five campuses (two secondary and three primary), a coherent and consistent approach in decision making has been critical.

Valuable lessons to inform future decisions were learned through the experiences of primary schools opening in May as well.

Keeping pace with changing government protocols has been a challenge, as was throttling up when the green light for opening secondary school sites was lit just three weeks ago.

We've had very short time frames in which to make big decisions impacting on thousands of people: school transport; year groups to return; internal assessments.

Nothing has been straightforward and we have steered away from absolutes on issues such as masks, for example.

Flexibility is an important tool in keeping anxieties in check.


This link details the what has happened in a few more countries:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/back-to-school-what-lessons-can-uk-learn-from-rest-of-europe
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
My plan would be to get all the kids back in September every last one of them. 50% return on week 1 then 50% return on week 2 then maybe 75% return week 3 and then every single child in on week 4 which would be the middle of September. Don't forget this is 10 weeks away and kids will have been off for 6 months. 6 months!! Hardly rushing things back
There was 1 case in Northern Ireland yesterday ffs. What is the problem?
If the kids are not back the parents can't work this goes hand in hand.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
My plan would be to get all the kids back in September every last one of them. 50% return on week 1 then 50% return on week 2 then maybe 75% return week 3 and then every single child in on week 4 which would be the middle of September. Don't forget this is 10 weeks away and kids will have been off for 6 months. 6 months!! Hardly rushing things back
There was 1 case in Northern Ireland yesterday ffs. What is the problem?
If the kids are not back the parents can't work this goes hand in hand.

Child minders are available soon so back to work as normal should apply, unless you are looking at schools as just free babysitters
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on June 19, 2020, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
My plan would be to get all the kids back in September every last one of them. 50% return on week 1 then 50% return on week 2 then maybe 75% return week 3 and then every single child in on week 4 which would be the middle of September. Don't forget this is 10 weeks away and kids will have been off for 6 months. 6 months!! Hardly rushing things back
There was 1 case in Northern Ireland yesterday ffs. What is the problem?
If the kids are not back the parents can't work this goes hand in hand.

Child minders are available soon so back to work as normal should apply, unless you are looking at schools as just free babysitters

At reduced capacity. Doubt they will be able to satisfy the demand
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on June 19, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
This can't be rocket science lads.  Other countries have succeeded as per Estimator's reply.  It's not as if Ireland (north and south) are the first to stick their neck out on this.  Learn from other countries and apply it locally.  The social distancing bringing brought back to 1 metre in the north has to help.

Yes there's a risk in going back but the "new normal" is about managing risk together.  There's a lot of negative talk around this (more so that any other return to work).  The teachers' unions need to approach this in a more positive manner.  The teaching sector appears to be heavily unionised which is creating negativity.

I caught the tail end of an interview with a doctor on a programme yesterday where he said that the child is twice as likely to be struck by lightning as they are to contract the virus.  I have yet to see any evidence of children spreading the disease in schools.  So what would appear to be one of the lowest risk workplaces is one where we have the most negative publicity.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 19, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
This can't be rocket science lads.  Other countries have succeeded as per Estimator's reply.  It's not as if Ireland (north and south) are the first to stick their neck out on this.  Learn from other countries and apply it locally.  The social distancing bringing brought back to 1 metre in the north has to help.

Yes there's a risk in going back but the "new normal" is about managing risk together.  There's a lot of negative talk around this (more so that any other return to work).  The teachers' unions need to approach this in a more positive manner.  The teaching sector appears to be heavily unionised which is creating negativity.

I caught the tail end of an interview with a doctor on a programme yesterday where he said that the child is twice as likely to be struck by lightning as they are to contract the virus.  I have yet to see any evidence of children spreading the disease in schools.  So what would appear to be one of the lowest risk workplaces is one where we have the most negative publicity.

Exactly. Certainly the unions are causing a problem.
But we're all in this together.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2020, 11:16:06 AM
It'll be interesting to see if teachers stay away from the pubs when they reopen. If they stay away from GAA as it starts back up. It'll really be interesting to see the choices they make outside of the classroom and their rational for it.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2020, 11:16:06 AM
It'll be interesting to see if teachers stay away from the pubs when they reopen. If they stay away from GAA as it starts back up. It'll really be interesting to see the choices they make outside of the classroom and their rational for it.

They will follow the science surely?

The teachers are on holiday from next month, so they'll be first into the pubs the lucky gits!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on June 19, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 19, 2020, 12:00:10 PM
Can trailers or mackers explain what the teachers/teaching unions are doing to bring such negativity towards them?
There seems to be an opinion that teachers are refusing to go back to school. Where are you seeing that? I've yet to hear that from any and I be in contact with a right few.

There are 2 issues here, that I know of;

1.Teachers & Principals are saying that their school cannot be at full teaching capacity and maintain 1m social distancing. Not that they don't want to, just that they simply don't have the space.That is not saying that they won't be going back. All teachers will be in school all day, every day. They are saying that all pupils cannot be in the school at once and they have been & continue to work on plans to accommodate their pupils as best possible. Do you think they are lying about this and why do you think they would?

2. Some teachers & teaching unions are voicing concerns about the early return. They are wondering whether they are being paid extra for working a week longer than they are contracted to or whether the days will be made up elsewhere. Some have booked and paid for holidays in this time and are concerned that they will lose their money. Perhaps you don't feel that these are legitimate concerns but I would imagine they would be in every other line of work. Just to note, there were schools returning on the 21st August even before Covid-19.


Is there something else I'm missing?
Get on and do it and stop bleating on about it in the press. We had one union leader come out and lambast the Northern Executive yesterday after what apparently was a positive meeting.  I found myself agreeing with Arlene Foster during The View which is a first. Megaphone diplomacy. Sit down and engage and work with a positive frame of mind.  I don't doubt that the majority of teachers want to get on with it.

No one has answered my question from earlier this morning.  Which was a genuine one. Is there any evidence of Covid 19 spreading in a school environment?  There have been quite a few countries where the schools have returned and there have been no issues that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on June 19, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
How are their concerns any different to the countries where children have returned to school safely already?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on June 19, 2020, 01:00:29 PM
I'm not advocating taking holidays off teachers.  That's wrong.  I'm only talking about the return to work protocols.  Estimator's answer does not reflect what that eejit of a union leader came out and said yesterday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 01:18:12 PM
Mackers is talking a lot of sense. And I agree that the holidays should not change
How about the Union come out yesterday saying it's great news that it is now 1 metre and that it gives us a real chance of getting the kids back in September. And that they will work with the minister over the next 10 weeks to make it possible. And for this to happen we will need a massive buy in from everyone none more so than the parents. That's what principals should have been saying yesterday. Another principal on this morning now giving off about travel to and from school for crying out loud. It's not going to be perfect far from it but parents may have to now leave and colllect children from school if they are not comfortable wee Johhny sitting on a bus. We are in difficult times everything will be that wee bit harder but let's be positive
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 01:42:44 PM
What issues? Yes the one around the transport to school. Wasn't even mentioned yesterday inthe unions statement. Crazy oversight
What issues arise after yesterday?
Weir is basically telling all its very safe to get back and that 1 metre is fine but Jesus if it works out at 0.8 in between kids to fit the full class let's het it done.
You have to think of the well-being of kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
The children will be back full time in Sept. The guidance is being changed so so quickly that there will be no medical advice for the Teachers to continue hide behind while abdicating their responsibilities.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Exactly my point trailer. Weir has said 1 metre now as it stands but things may change which they will in 10 weeks time. Hardstation why didn't the union realise a statement saying it's very positive news and welcome but we still have a lot of work to do between now and August 24th? And sit down with Weir and the government and sort it. Complete scaremongering with the hope it scares parents
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
The children will be back full time in Sept. The guidance is being changed so so quickly that there will be no medical advice for the Teachers to continue hide behind while abdicating their responsibilities.

As I've said many times before, teaching as normal in September will be much easier than this whole 1m social distancing, staggered lunch breaks, staggered start and end times, half a class in and half at home etc etc. What a pain in the hole that is! I think people are getting confused that teachers don't want the kids in or only half a class in.  I want my full class in, as normal and teach like every other year. I'm hoping that the 1m will be scrapped by then. If it hasn't changed by then it will be a complete ball ache. And people comparing pubs and gaa clubs being open is a waste of time, they're voluntary things that you can go to if you want, school isn't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
My plan would be to get all the kids back in September every last one of them. 50% return on week 1 then 50% return on week 2 then maybe 75% return week 3 and then every single child in on week 4 which would be the middle of September. Don't forget this is 10 weeks away and kids will have been off for 6 months. 6 months!! Hardly rushing things back
There was 1 case in Northern Ireland yesterday ffs. What is the problem?
If the kids are not back the parents can't work this goes hand in hand.

I don't see any problems with that at all. I would welcome that. P7 are back on the 24th of August as it stands, we could have the whole school back by the second week of September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 19, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
The children will be back full time in Sept. The guidance is being changed so so quickly that there will be no medical advice for the Teachers to continue hide behind while abdicating their responsibilities.

What about if a child has underlying conditions or a teacher has underlying conditions,, would the guidance be changed for that?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 19, 2020, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 09:43:03 AM
My plan would be to get all the kids back in September every last one of them. 50% return on week 1 then 50% return on week 2 then maybe 75% return week 3 and then every single child in on week 4 which would be the middle of September. Don't forget this is 10 weeks away and kids will have been off for 6 months. 6 months!! Hardly rushing things back
There was 1 case in Northern Ireland yesterday ffs. What is the problem?
If the kids are not back the parents can't work this goes hand in hand.

I don't see any problems with that at all. I would welcome that. P7 are back on the 24th of August as it stands, we could have the whole school back by the second week of September.
What's the thought behind the staggered start? Why not just everyone in day 1?

That would be ideal but realistically they'll not allow it. Corona virus is basically gone here now so by September we could have everyone back. Only thing is no one knows if this is seasonal and it comes back again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 02:30:36 PM
Milltown I have already answered you of course it will be different for teachers and children with underlying conditions if they can't stick to the guidance that is set out. But they will be taught from home maybe but surely that is a small price to pay. Anyone with underlying conditions in any job now is not back so teachers will be no different
Hardstation a staggered start as it gives everyone an opportunity to feel themselves back in and get any issues sorted then when the schools are only going at 50%
It makes perfect sense. Do you disagree?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
It doesn't need to go Hardstation and you know it
A bit like there will be no sport until social distancing goes
It's hasnt gone and sport is opening up at an extremely fast pace
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 02:52:24 PM
Is the 1m distance smaller between two small pupils (say 4'8'') than it is between two big pupils (5'10'')? Been up all night pondering this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:00:18 PM
In a room at 20ft wide by 24ft long you could fit 30 kids single table no problem. That's allowing a bit too. I would think most classes are no smaller
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
How's it not??
20 ft wide that fits 6 kids allowing for 1 ft extra
24 ft long fits 7 kids allowing for 1/2 ft extra
You could actually fit in more
Now take away a row that leaves 36 kids
Now take away 2 rows that's 30
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on June 19, 2020, 03:20:00 PM
That's it sorted Smurfy
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
Kidder I'm only stating the absolute facts on a class of 20 by 24
Off course staggering break and lunch time will need to be done
And also work around transport
Something the union forgot to mention
Crazy they didn't even mention
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 19, 2020, 03:33:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
Kidder I'm only stating the absolute facts on a class of 20 by 24
Off course staggering break and lunch time will need to be done
And also work around transport
Something the union forgot to mention
Crazy they didn't even mention

How many kids would you be able to get on a normal Ulsterbus that takes over 50 people?

20?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 19, 2020, 03:34:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
How's it not??
20 ft wide that fits 6 kids allowing for 1 ft extra
24 ft long fits 7 kids allowing for 1/2 ft extra
You could actually fit in more
Now take away a row that leaves 36 kids
Now take away 2 rows that's 30
Don't forget the width of a child  - you need at least another 2ft per child to make sure there's a metre between the children. Otherwise you're only putting in 1-2ft between children. Doesn't work.

Maybe o'Neill's point is valid - let the small skinny kids back first to maximise numbers  ;D

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 03:00:18 PM
In a room at 20ft wide by 24ft long you could fit 30 kids single table no problem. That's allowing a bit too. I would think most classes are no smaller

Where you getting these single tables? We only have tables for 2 in our school. Also, you're not taking into the consideration the benches and cabinets etc around the room to hold resources, books, computers etc. Do the children have to move when one needs to go to the toilet? Do they younger kids sit on tables the whole day without moving? Does the teacher sit at their desk and teach from there or are they going to move kids out of the room so they can go to the Whiteboard? With 1m social distancing it's not going to work, I've measured it every which way and it's not happening. Remove the 1m social distancing and we are in business. I'd love to actually invite you into my classroom and show you the room we have. I taught P5 a few years ago with 36 in the class and the room was much smaller than my current classroom that will not accommodate 26 children with 1m social distancing in place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 04:02:03 PM
Bubble the children. 2 beside each other. Hey presto, half the problem.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Ah ffs lads you are now going looking problems. Move the resources around the classroom to the store for now. Jesus do you want Weir to go hold your hands on this matter. 20by24 maxes out can hold 42 now that's not possible. It can be done and it can be done easily. Classes would be set out test style and that's easily allowing 30 with space between.
Yes the transport is an issue Johnny but this is we're parents need to step up to the plate. Working parents probably need to change hours of work but surely that's better than not getting at all.
Yes it's goin to take a bit of work but surely in the next 2 weeks teachers can get most of it done .
I honestly don't see the problems
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
Bubble 2 kids like O Neill said
Perfect
Lots of problems solved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 19, 2020, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Ah ffs lads you are now going looking problems. Move the resources around the classroom to the store for now. Jesus do you want Weir to go hold your hands on this matter. 20by24 maxes out can hold 42 now that's not possible. It can be done and it can be done easily. Classes would be set out test style and that's easily allowing 30 with space between.
Yes the transport is an issue Johnny but this is we're parents need to step up to the plate. Working parents probably need to change hours of work but surely that's better than not getting at all.
Yes it's goin to take a bit of work but surely in the next 2 weeks teachers can get most of it done .
I honestly don't see the problems

I'm now sure you're a wum.
We can remove the resources but we can't remove the benches and cupboards that are fitted to the wall. Do we bring the sledge hammer in and knock all that down? Buy extra tables and chairs from the non existent budget. You haven't a clue. Just remove the 1m social distancing rule and that's it sorted.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 19, 2020, 04:12:59 PM
The Dept has produced some more documentation on this. Going by their own plans they are only getting 26 into a room.


https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/publications/northern-ireland-re-opening-school-guidance-new-school-day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Jim 20/24 was a small class
Come on now most classes are bigger
And I allowed for more space as 20/24 could seat 42 do the maths
A bubble where 2 kids stay together indoors
You know full well what a bubble is in respect to Covid
The 1 metre rule will be gone
My argument is why didn't the union come out yesterday and be positive about the developments and saying it's not possible when it is.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on June 19, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Ah ffs lads you are now going looking problems. Move the resources around the classroom to the store for now. Jesus do you want Weir to go hold your hands on this matter. 20by24 maxes out can hold 42 now that's not possible. It can be done and it can be done easily. Classes would be set out test style and that's easily allowing 30 with space between.
Yes the transport is an issue Johnny but this is we're parents need to step up to the plate. Working parents probably need to change hours of work but surely that's better than not getting at all.
Yes it's goin to take a bit of work but surely in the next 2 weeks teachers can get most of it done .
I honestly don't see the problems
Smurfy, I understand what you're saying, and I hate when all people put up is obstacles instead of trying to offer solutions instead.  Solutions will come, probably because they will scrap the social distancing of 1m by the time September comes.  But the numbers you're talking about are just not right.  If you had a single desk per child like in an exam hall, the desk and child would be 3ft wide and the space between 3ft.  So for 5 kids to fit in a row, you'd need 6x5 = 30ft. 
And for six rows you'd need the width of the desk (say 2ft), the width of the child and chair to sit at the desk (another 2ft) and 1 ft in between to get the full 3ft between the back of the child's chair and the next child sitting at their desk.  That's 6 rows x 5ft = 30. 
Arlene Foster said last night that an average classroom was c.540 sq ft.  Those calcs above would need 900 sq ft.

A teacher was on the radio this morning saying that she had the architect's plans in front of her, and couldn't work out how to get all the pupils into that room at 1m distance.

The tone of union reps is always going to sound moany to those of us not represented by them - that's their job.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 19, 2020, 04:12:59 PM
The Dept has produced some more documentation on this. Going by their own plans they are only getting 26 into a room.


https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/publications/northern-ireland-re-opening-school-guidance-new-school-day

Probably four kids in a class of 30 don't want to be there anyways so, find them first and let them school from home!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on June 19, 2020, 04:56:23 PM
Large number of schools will not be able to teach all pupils at one time - Weir
Education Minister Peter Weir
Education Minister Peter Weir Credit: Presseye
A large number of schools in Northern Ireland will not be able to return to full-capacity teaching in September, the Education Minister has said.

Peter Weir's comments come amid concern expressed by some school leaders at the suggestion from Stormont that most pupils will be returning to full-time education in the autumn.

Mr Weir said he anticipated that children would only return to the classroom on a part-time basis "in quite a large number of schools".

In a separate development, Mr Weir confirmed that the executive would be providing the £12 million required to continue financial support for families eligible for free school meals over the summer.

Arlene Foster announced schools will return with a 1m social distancing policy
Arlene Foster announced schools will return with a 1m social distancing policy Credit: PA
On Thursday, First Minister Arlene Foster said the powersharing executive's decision to reduce the social distancing measure to one metre for pupils would allow attendance patterns in schools to return to "close to normality".

On Friday, Mr Weir said the aim was to "maximise" the number of schools that could return to full-capacity teaching, but he acknowledged there would be a sizeable number for which that would prove an "impossibility".

The sooner we can get back to every child being in the classroom all the time getting full-time classroom... the sooner we are able to reach that point, the better for children, better for parents, and I think teachers are very much in favour of that

– PETER WEIR MLA, EDUCATION MINISTER
"But we're not quite there yet at this stage.

"The aim, therefore, at least at this point, is to maximise the amount of time that children will have in the classroom."

"The aim must be to get the absolute maximum.

"There will be some schools who would be able to, because of their surroundings, because of the numbers that are there, will effectively be able to return absolutely full time.

"For others that will clearly be a level of practical impossibility to do that all the time. But therefore we want to see where we can get the maximum amount within that."

Ministers have urged schools to utilise all the space at their disposal to allow them to accommodate the full school population and said where this is not possible they should seek to use nearby community facilities, such as church halls, GAA clubs or Orange Halls.

Principals have voice scepticism at Stormont's plans, insisting it will not be possible to fit all pupils into most schools in the region, even with the reduced social distancing measure.

Mr Weir suggested funding for substitute teachers would be made available if extra staff were required to teach classes set up outside orthodox classroom locations.

He said the community facilities could also be used for supervised learning if children were only able to attend school on certain days.

The minister also acknowledged there would be an issue around school bus transport in the autumn, given capacity limitations due to the virus.

"There's still a problem there that does need clearly resolved," he said.

NI Children's Commissioner Koulla Yiasouma
NI Children's Commissioner Koulla Yiasouma Credit: PA
Northern Ireland's Children's Commissioner Koulla Yiasouma said the safe and effective re-opening of schools would require a "Herculean effort".

She said she welcomed the announcement from Stormont but added: "We cannot under-estimate the work that needs to be completed before the maximum number of children can return as safely as possible, whilst understanding that 100% safety cannot be guaranteed only every possible measure taken."

While pupils will be required to keep one metre apart under Stormont's plans, the social distancing measure will remain at two metres for teachers.

Schools have been closed in Northern Ireland since March. The traditional summer term would normally finish at the end of June in the region.

Teachers will now return to school on 17 August. Key year groups - seven, 12 and 14 - will return a week later on 24 August.

The Department of Education intends that the rest of the school population will go back to class at the start of September.

All primary school children, and secondary school children in younger year groups, will have to remain in protective bubbles limited to their own classes when they return.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Anything to be said for a strike?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
Don't go on strike until that money comes in next week though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 05:29:09 PM
What happens if one child or teacher tests positive in Sept or Oct?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 19, 2020, 05:36:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
Don't go on strike until that money comes in next week though
I've heard recently that it won't be in this month's pay. From someone I would consider a good source, if there is such a thing.

Balls. I'd heard the opposite. Even booked a fella to clear a pile of conifers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2020, 12:37:37 AM
The numbers some people think you can get in classrooms is laughable, but You be lucky to get 15, and more likely 12.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 01:35:44 AM
How do you work that out Wiesel?
12 are you having a laugh?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2020, 01:40:46 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 19, 2020, 05:39:49 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 19, 2020, 05:36:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
Don't go on strike until that money comes in next week though
I've heard recently that it won't be in this month's pay. From someone I would consider a good source, if there is such a thing.

Balls. I'd heard the opposite. Even booked a fella to clear a pile of conifers.

Ah ffs! I've ordered dining suit for the summer house I built while doing f**k all over the lockdown! She'll not be happy
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 20, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
It is easy to sit on the outside, looking in and comment on schools. No two schools are exactly the same in terms of size and each school has it's own circumstances to manage.
Ultimately , DENI have abdicated responsibilities to each individual school. So , BOG and Principals will make the call, having responsibility for 30 kids/ 4 adults in the smallest schools to 1500kids /200 adults in the largest , has the biggest impact on any decisions being made. Schools should go slow and steady at the start and ramp up quickly , if everything stays in a good place.  There will be local agreements in place , so that all schools start with a similar starting point @ 40% in/60% out , then moving to 60/ 40, then full attendance.
DENI have been a shitshow.They have left schools to fund all additional costs from their current budgets that are in general fkd in the first place. Yet handed £8 million to sub teachers with no conditions attached , like the situation for summer camps and extra staff in schools in Sept.
A full attendance for my place  , would entail  7 extra rooms and 5 extra staff.!that isn't going to happen - but DENI didnt figure that out very well at all  !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 02:54:57 PM
No new cases in the north today
None
Not one
Out of a population of 1.9million not 1 case
That is pretty hard to achieve
Bad day for the teachers union
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 20, 2020, 03:13:46 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 02:54:57 PM
No new cases in the north today
None
Not one
Out of a population of 1.9million not 1 case
That is pretty hard to achieve
Bad day for the teachers union

Do you think teachers want to teach half classes? Send online work home and teach the other half in school? Writing new policies and marking out classrooms etc Pain in the hole. As it stands with all this 1m guidance, teachers will have a significant increase in workload in August/September.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
No I don't Jim but some do want this to continue
As I said yesterday the Union should have come out with a positive statement instead of this crap about we can't do it
And every single Principal was the same
Find a way for Christ sake
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2020, 03:31:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
No I don't Jim but some do want this to continue
As I said yesterday the Union should have come out with a positive statement instead of this crap about we can't do it
And every single Principal was the same
Find a way for Christ sake

Either you don't think they do or don't? Ffs make your mind up with the general sweeping statements, cause there's lazy Cnuts in every job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 20, 2020, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 03:29:23 PM
No I don't Jim but some do want this to continue
As I said yesterday the Union should have come out with a positive statement instead of this crap about we can't do it
And every single Principal was the same
Find a way for Christ sake


How many ways or times do we need to explain that without a lorry load of new classrooms and extra teachers that it ain't going to happen in respect of a 1m distance .

No social distancing , ram them in and bin the online stuff , I haven't spoken to any teachers who prefers the current situation

No reported cases .is a good sign , let's hope it lasts to 24th August and everyone can get back to school as normal.

Sin e
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
Delgany why won't it happen with the 1 metre rule in place?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on June 20, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Would kitting out portacabins not be an affordable temporary solution? Its going to cost money either road.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2020, 05:03:18 PM
Somebody actually draw it out with the current tables a school has within a class
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Would knitting out portacabins not be an affordable temporary solution? Its going to cost money either road.

That be a lot of wool
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 20, 2020, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2020, 05:03:18 PM
Somebody actually draw it out with the current tables a school has within a class

We need exact schematics here. If the schematics suggest it can't be done we'll argue against it anyway ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 20, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
Delgany why won't it happen with the 1 metre rule in place?

For the 10th time  a 60 sq metre  classroom , cant have 30 kids in it with 1m socialdistance for the children and staff. Why would you continue to question this point, do you think we are making it up.
If the R rate is zero in August / September , then full school return .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 20, 2020, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 20, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
Would kitting out portacabins not be an affordable temporary solution? Its going to cost money either road.

Seriously,  you think the dept of education would spend money on that idea ! There are over 1 100 schools in the North , where would you like them to be positioned,  boss.

I'm sure Mc Evoys could work flat out between now and next year putting them in. A second hand portacabin would be between £500 - £700   a week.

Like I said before, put your idea on an email to Peter Weir , he needs all the help he can get ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2020, 09:40:57 PM
Don't forget u planning for them lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
I see someone mentioned 60m2 for a classroom, that only be the case in a new school, old schol primary classroom are approx 7 x7.5m others 8 x 7.5m but with a full run of fixed units at the back of the class. Take that with losing 1.5m for desks at the front desk to whiteboard and walking clearance for teacher. Then add in your spacing and see how many pupils can be fitted,
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2020, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 22, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
I see someone mentioned 60m2 for a classroom, that only be the case in a new school, old schol primary classroom are approx 7 x7.5m others 8 x 7.5m but with a full run of fixed units at the back of the class. Take that with losing 1.5m for desks at the front desk to whiteboard and walking clearance for teacher. Then add in your spacing and see how many pupils can be fitted,

Apparently 30!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 24, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
how are these kids getting to school?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 24, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Do kids transmit this virus?
What are the risks to teachers?
Has there been any outbreaks linked to a School?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 24, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Do kids transmit this virus?
What are the risks to teachers?
Has there been any outbreaks linked to a School?

Considering the schools in the North closed pretty quick in March and haven't been open since but even then there were skiing trips coming back from Italy and kids had Covid 19..

There's no definitive answer to the top two but give me 24 hours to read a bit more on it and I'll be a verifiable expert.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 24, 2020, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 24, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Do kids transmit this virus?
What are the risks to teachers?
Has there been any outbreaks linked to a School?

Considering the schools in the North closed pretty quick in March and haven't been open since but even then there were skiing trips coming back from Italy and kids had Covid 19..

There's no definitive answer to the top two but give me 24 hours to read a bit more on it and I'll be a verifiable expert.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on June 24, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 24, 2020, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 24, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Do kids transmit this virus?
What are the risks to teachers?
Has there been any outbreaks linked to a School?

Considering the schools in the North closed pretty quick in March and haven't been open since but even then there were skiing trips coming back from Italy and kids had Covid 19..

There's no definitive answer to the top two but give me 24 hours to read a bit more on it and I'll be a verifiable expert.
;D ;D ;D

Yep the experts are all on this board   ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2020, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 12:59:39 PM
Do kids transmit this virus?
What are the risks to teachers?
Has there been any outbreaks linked to a School?

Yep. Page 8.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/893216/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_w25.pdf

Quote• 24 outbreaks were from schools where 12 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2

I have to confess I don't have a f**king clue how they get 12 positive results in 24 outbreaks when they define an outbreak as 2 or more people... so its obvious something is awry, but you'd imagine that it wouldn't be far-fetched to reverse that and say "12 outbreaks were from schools where 24 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2".

The elite of the Civil Service at work.

edit: Now that's for England, but I don't believe there are any significant differences between schools there and here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: on the sideline on June 24, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
Can contracts just be changed with no input/consent from those under contract?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2020, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on June 24, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
Can contracts just be changed with no input/consent from those under contract?

I don't believe so, but I'm not in law so my answer isn't really much use!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 24, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
4873 cases
547 deaths

And the schools are closed.

Madness

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 24, 2020, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
4873 cases
547 deaths

And the schools are closed.

Madness

Trailer ..hope all is well with you and your kids.
Would you consider that the fact that schools were closed was a contributory factor in these statistics and the fact that the lockdown was taken seriously by everyone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 25, 2020, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 24, 2020, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
4873 cases
547 deaths

And the schools are closed.

Madness

Trailer ..hope all is well with you and your kids.
Would you consider that the fact that schools were closed was a contributory factor in these statistics and the fact that the lockdown was taken seriously by everyone

Yes all is good. I hope all is well with you too.

I don't think closing the schools had any huge influence on the death rate or no. of cases given the vast majority of deaths were in care homes (over 50%)
I don't see any evidence of any outbreaks linked to community transmission in a school setting.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 25, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Miss sticking on the DVDs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JohnDenver on June 25, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: ONeill on June 25, 2020, 09:53:28 AM
Miss sticking on the DVDs.

Would there be many teachers mixing it up a bit (obviously not currently), maybe linking the netflix account on the laptop or worse still Showbox or the likes onto the projector? Risky business.

Maybe doesn't have the same effect as wheeling in the TV and trolley with the video recorder / dvd player on it!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 25, 2020, 01:17:56 PM
I'd be a Netflix man in schools these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
I wonder how many teachers are out and about enjoying the lovely weather?
Or parents for that matter that don't want to send wee Johnny back
Every sector almost open but the teachers union can't see a return in 9 weeks
Laughable
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 26, 2020, 05:30:26 PM
That's me done. See you in 7 weeks lads.  8)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 26, 2020, 06:39:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
I wonder how many teachers are out and about enjoying the lovely weather?
Or parents for that matter that don't want to send wee Johnny back
Every sector almost open but the teachers union can't see a return in 9 weeks
Laughable

Unions didn't say that .....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2020, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 26, 2020, 05:30:26 PM
That's me done. See you in 7 weeks lads.  8)

Good for you! Enjoy that well earned break! Jesus I'm hammered now after sorting all the teachers Drinks  in the garden party at mine now!

They are so glad of the break
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 26, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
I'll be back in around 6 weeks. To what, God knows but I'd be hopeful we'll be a lot closer to normality than we are predicting now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 26, 2020, 09:54:01 PM
A lot of lies on this thread.. first of all teachers don't party, well not like normal people and they certainly don't have friends.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 27, 2020, 12:31:33 AM
I saw them Normal People on TV, sure teachers wouldn't be at that craic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 02:13:33 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 26, 2020, 09:54:01 PM
A lot of lies on this thread.. first of all teachers don't party, well not like normal people and they certainly don't have friends.

Boring Cnuts the lot of them! Wouldn't know a good time if it bite them in the arse!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 08:05:54 AM
Teachers don't drink man. They wouldn't risk it with Covid. They will start getting noisy again come August just wait and see. Every sector back working except them. Imagine the every frontline workers union giving off about social distancing during the pandemic. Nope didn't happen. They just got on with it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 08:14:50 AM
Teachers are the enemy ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 27, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
They do develop into very good / outstanding inter county footballers and hurlers. I'm not sure were they get the time to be so good at their job and play inter county, but they are greatly admired in the 32 counties.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 27, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
They do develop into very good / outstanding inter county footballers and hurlers. I'm not sure were they get the time to be so good at their job and play inter county, but they are greatly admired in the 32 counties.

Our club  is littered with them!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 27, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
Quote from: delgany on June 27, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
They do develop into very good / outstanding inter county footballers and hurlers. I'm not sure were they get the time to be so good at their job and play inter county, but they are greatly admired in the 32 counties.

Our club  is littered with them!

I believe that it is the preferred profession for inter county players  , or working in the bank !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 12:21:56 PM
Lovely wee lump sum backpay arrived in the post this morning there 8)
That just might push smurfy and trailer over the edge.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
😀😀
Ah Jim I'm over the edge here reading that
What will you spend it on?
You are probably to busy prepping work for September to even think about spending it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 27, 2020, 01:36:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 12:21:56 PM
Lovely wee lump sum backpay arrived in the post this morning there 8)
That just might push smurfy and trailer over the edge.

Although I do hate the fkn  tax and NI deductions !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 27, 2020, 01:46:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 08:14:50 AM
Teachers are the enemy ;D

Teachers are the enemy of ignorance.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 27, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2020, 01:46:49 PM
[quote

Teachers are the enemy of ignorance.
[/quote


Teachers are fed up with people trying to tell them how to do their jobs, starting with balloons like Nolan on BBC-  a complete air head !
I dont see any other topic streams on here , for example , that criticise other professions in the same way , because everyone is an expert in the field of the pedagogy of teaching , learning and assessment- or so they think !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
It's like I said to someone recently when they were slating Richard Branson. Irrespective of what he is etc you don't like him because the media have decided you don't like him. Tories, daily mail etc started stuff on teachers making it that people should dislike them too.

Like any profession no doubt there are a few chancers about but plenty of very good ones too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
😀😀
Ah Jim I'm over the edge here reading that
What will you spend it on?
You are probably to busy prepping work for September to even think about spending it?

I'll not be doing a tap until the 24th of August.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
😀😀
Ah Jim I'm over the edge here reading that
What will you spend it on?
You are probably to busy prepping work for September to even think about spending it?

I'll not be doing a tap until the 24th of August.

Booking Vegas hopefully with 'ours'  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
It's like I said to someone recently when they were slating Richard Branson. Irrespective of what he is etc you don't like him because the media have decided you don't like him. Tories, daily mail etc started stuff on teachers making it that people should dislike them too.

Like any profession no doubt there are a few chancers about but plenty of very good ones too.
I'm married to one and she works very hard and gets good results, but she would admit there is one teacher in her school who does close to f**k all, gets mediocre results but still gets the same pay and conditions as her colleagues and will continue until retirement in the same vein. The likelihood of being a lazy fecker and getting away without sanction, for any significant period of time, is a lot slimmer in the non-unionised private sector. Having said that if she taught English, Maths or Science(s) there would be much more focus on her stats.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
😀😀
Ah Jim I'm over the edge here reading that
What will you spend it on?
You are probably to busy prepping work for September to even think about spending it?

I'll not be doing a tap until the 24th of August.

Booking Vegas hopefully with 'ours'  ;D
Don't forget the wains!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 27, 2020, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
😀😀
Ah Jim I'm over the edge here reading that
What will you spend it on?
You are probably to busy prepping work for September to even think about spending it?

I'll not be doing a tap until the 24th of August.

Booking Vegas hopefully with 'ours'  ;D
Don't forget the wains!

They'll be coming ffs!

I've one daughter who'll holiday with us we'll into her 30's I'd imagine
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 28, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
It's like I said to someone recently when they were slating Richard Branson. Irrespective of what he is etc you don't like him because the media have decided you don't like him. Tories, daily mail etc started stuff on teachers making it that people should dislike them too.

Like any profession no doubt there are a few chancers about but plenty of very good ones too.
I'm married to one and she works very hard and gets good results, but she would admit there is one teacher in her school who does close to f**k all, gets mediocre results but still gets the same pay and conditions as her colleagues and will continue until retirement in the same vein.

That's scandalous of your wife to say that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 28, 2020, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 28, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2020, 04:33:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 27, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
It's like I said to someone recently when they were slating Richard Branson. Irrespective of what he is etc you don't like him because the media have decided you don't like him. Tories, daily mail etc started stuff on teachers making it that people should dislike them too.

Like any profession no doubt there are a few chancers about but plenty of very good ones too.
I'm married to one and she works very hard and gets good results, but she would admit there is one teacher in her school who does close to f**k all, gets mediocre results but still gets the same pay and conditions as her colleagues and will continue until retirement in the same vein.

That's scandalous of your wife to say that.
Must be a PE teacher !!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money

They did this month  :)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GJL on June 28, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

Maybe in the public sector but definitely not so much in the private sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money

They did this month  :)

What way is it? One off payment? Does that cover the whole time ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
All the back pay on top of June's salary....one big fat cheque
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:32:40 PM
Great stuff!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 28, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money

They did this month  :)

Yeooooo
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 28, 2020, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money

They did this month  :)

What way is it? One off payment? Does that cover the whole time ?

Roughly , just over a month's salary , MR   plus a bit of uplift in the monthly salary to reflect pay scale improvements
It covered two years , with two years to be negotiated,  likely to be 2% over the two years. Unfortunately , no funds available to make it up, in the DENI coffers.

Mrs M R must be happy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 28, 2020, 11:11:41 PM
Should have been more
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 28, 2020, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 28, 2020, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 28, 2020, 06:58:16 PM
Same in any job. There are lazy feckers being paid a lot of money in plenty of jobs.

I wouldn't say Teachers get paid a lot of money

They did this month  :)

What way is it? One off payment? Does that cover the whole time ?

Roughly , just over a month's salary , MR   plus a bit of uplift in the monthly salary to reflect pay scale improvements
It covered two years , with two years to be negotiated,  likely to be 2% over the two years. Unfortunately , no funds available to make it up, in the DENI coffers.

Mrs M R must be happy.

She has it spent I'd say!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 29, 2020, 12:18:17 AM
Hookers and coke. Shes just gona waste the rest
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
And the nurses who worked through Covid got zilch. Oh sorry , they got clapped
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 07:49:13 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
And the nurses who worked through Covid got zilch. Oh sorry , they got clapped

Typical.... I'm back to work and not one fecker in the Street has clapped, the games not straight
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2020, 07:49:13 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
And the nurses who worked through Covid got zilch. Oh sorry , they got clapped

Typical.... I'm back to work and not one fecker in the Street has clapped, the games not straight

:) Just not fair
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
Wait until August and you will start to hear noise from the union again
We can't work it's to risky. We can't work with the 1 metre rule in place
I'll gladly be back on here in August wishing you well on your return to school
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 29, 2020, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
Wait until August and you will start to hear noise from the union again
We can't work it's to risky. We can't work with the 1 metre rule in place
I'll gladly be back on here in August wishing you well on your return to school
I can't get back to work in-person until the teachers do. There's a lot of the economy riding on these guys.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2020, 09:57:05 AM
A lot of people like yourself. Wait until August and they will start making noise again
Just wait and watch it happen
Every single child should be back on August 24th
Obviously vulnerable will have to hold back
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 29, 2020, 10:50:02 AM
You can't have a situation where social distancing is going to be ignored in schools yet when children walk out through the school gates at the end of the school day will be subject to the same rules as everyone else.  If you are going to scrap social distancing for children then it has to apply in all circumstances , not just in school
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlieTully on June 29, 2020, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 29, 2020, 12:37:30 AM
And the nurses who worked through Covid got zilch. Oh sorry , they got clapped

Promised money lost from striking back from Michelle. Hasn't happened of course.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 29, 2020, 10:58:36 AM
Maybe all the teachers in here could chip in with some of our back pay and buy Smurfy a wee present to cheer him up. He's close to breaking point.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 29, 2020, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on June 29, 2020, 10:50:02 AM
You can't have a situation where social distancing is going to be ignored in schools yet when children walk out through the school gates at the end of the school day will be subject to the same rules as everyone else.  If you are going to scrap social distancing for children then it has to apply in all circumstances , not just in school

There's talk of creating a "Classroom bubble".

Was just out of a meeting there it's a f**king minefield for teaching and as has been said some are working really hard and some not. Some schools sent out a pack of work for kids to do 3 months ago and haven't heard from teacher or student since while others have been on teams and seesaw interacting with kids on an almost daily basis and they'll get the same money it's not fair but then in times of crisis are things ever going to be fair??

At the minute schools are back full time from end of August and hopefully social distancing will have been greatly relaxed by then. But what if a teacher or member of staff are high risk? Where does the school get the money to pay for a sub?

What about all the new rules/processes/risk assessments that need to be put in place for return in terms of dropping off and collecting kids... lunchtime... breaktime?

What if the school doesn't have enough room to accommodate social distancing in classes?

What if a child has to take 2 weeks off with a parent showing symptoms? Does the teacher have to teach their class then do distance learning?

It's a f**king balls and the above isn't even scratching the surface along with the fact there's not a whole lot of help coming from Government. Gurn all you want about lay teachers and there are some but the majority that I know around here work damn hard and care about their school!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2020, 11:42:19 AM
My Youngest starts nursery this year and got a letter stating she'll be in 'Bubble 2' and will only be going in 2 days a week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 29, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2020, 11:27:10 AM
There's talk of creating a "Classroom bubble".

This talk of bubbles is a load of utter w**k.

You swear the morons that come up with this are utter brain dead. Did they come up the lagan in a f**king bubble?!?


So kid in bubble A has the virus, takes it into school. Everyone in bubble A gets the virus over the space of a day or two and takes it home.

They spread it to their siblings and parents. The kids come back in and spread it among 3 other bubbles and 2 teachers and the parents' workplaces. They then spread it around their siblings and children (and work colleagues).

Sure if the teachers spread it in the staff room then every fukking bubble in the school has it.

Rinse and repeat. Bubbles are not effective firebreaks for this thing - and no one should kid themselves any differently.


As is fairly clear, the risk to kids is low - they are typically asymptomatic carriers - but they can spread it to others. Its the parents, and more particularly, the parents that are involved in their parents care (kid's grandparents) where the risk lies.

The evidence is  also quite clear on at least one medium of contraction - if you are in the same room with limited ventilation as a carrier for a sustained period of time, its very likely you will catch the virus.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Jim Bob if you think social distancing in shops and pubs will be in place in August you are mad. The 1 metre rule is in but you are mad if you think it will happen in pubs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on June 29, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
Just got notification that the wee lads Grammar school are splitting up each year group apart from Y12 and Y14 who seem to be allowed to attend full time.
The rest of the year groups will only be in every other day and home school the following day and so on.

not ideal and lots of things may change between now and the end of August, but not good and still no mention of transport either as the kids are almost an hour on the bus to and from school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
Did I hear Scotland is aiming for full time return with no restrictions?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on June 29, 2020, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 29, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
Did I hear Scotland is aiming for full time return with no restrictions?

I'm a teacher in England and we have been told to prepare for a full return in September with no restrictions.  The talk of bubbles is utter nonsense when applied to secondary schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 29, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
All I can tell you is the winter vomiting bug goes around a school like wild fire.( It's not pleasant !)
So a slower return to school will diminish the risk of spikes in the R number and curtail the possibility of a further closure.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 09:39:03 AM
Bubble bubble toil and trouble.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 30, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Jim Bob if you think social distancing in shops and pubs will be in place in August you are mad. The 1 metre rule is in but you are mad if you think it will happen in pubs

I don't think that !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 29, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 29, 2020, 11:27:10 AM
There's talk of creating a "Classroom bubble".

This talk of bubbles is a load of utter w**k.

You swear the morons that come up with this are utter brain dead. Did they come up the lagan in a f**king bubble?!?


So kid in bubble A has the virus, takes it into school. Everyone in bubble A gets the virus over the space of a day or two and takes it home.

They spread it to their siblings and parents. The kids come back in and spread it among 3 other bubbles and 2 teachers and the parents' workplaces. They then spread it around their siblings and children (and work colleagues).

Sure if the teachers spread it in the staff room then every fukking bubble in the school has it.

Rinse and repeat. Bubbles are not effective firebreaks for this thing - and no one should kid themselves any differently.


As is fairly clear, the risk to kids is low - they are typically asymptomatic carriers - but they can spread it to others. Its the parents, and more particularly, the parents that are involved in their parents care (kid's grandparents) where the risk lies.

The evidence is  also quite clear on at least one medium of contraction - if you are in the same room with limited ventilation as a carrier for a sustained period of time, its very likely you will catch the virus.

I see in Leicester they are being put back into lockdown. One of the findings is an abnormally high number of positive Covid19 tests in children of school age. Schools to be closed again from Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53229371

Do people really think that when the kids are all back to school that'll be business as usual? It will let everyone back to work as the free childcare returns?
Lets take Belfast as an example and imagine the same thing happens there and an Lockdown is re-imposed there with schools closed. That alone, will more than likely close down the NI economy again given the nature of our small region.
Now don't get me wrong, there are more ways of spreading this than in schools, but with all kids back in all schools it will increase the spread and increase the chances of a further lockdown here and subsequently result in more deaths.
First thing I'd look at doing is to severely restrict travel between here and mainland uk, particularly inward travel.
I'd still lean towards keeping schools closed until there's a vaccine, however unpopular that is.
If we have to lockdown by end of Sep after a late Aug return to schools, it will run right into Christmas and beyond.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
If you don't think that Jim Bob what's the issue with schools?
Get the kids back into the classroom and forget about the 1 metre rule whilst they are in school
Imagine everyone who had flu symptoms got tested. We would have thousands for about 4 months of the year. Madness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
If children aren't back full time in September then teachers need to be back full time teaching the children remotely, marking homework, etc. A complete uniform approach across the board from every school and every teacher. Not what we witnessed in March, April, May and June were many schools simply shut and took an extended break. Teachers, Schools and Dept of Ed must pull their weight.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
100% right trailer. Teachers need to be accountable for what they do from August on. Full school hours. In school as normal none of the crap we got this 4 months sending out the odd bit of work to keep the parents happy. If I go to the pub hardstation I expect nobody to come within 1 metre of me. Will that happen? What about the staff who have to go into work in the hospitality sector? They have to go. What about all the health care workers and shop workers? Just get on with it hardstation

During flu season, the only people who get tested for the flu are those who are sick enough to seek help from a doctor.

If we used the same strategy for covid, would we still have a pandemic? Big question needs answered
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2020, 01:25:57 PM
Children should be i school. That's where they need to be
Because see if they were not in school they would be outside with friends
The amount of children I see outside and no social distancing is crazy
Get the kids back
Teachers have not been in school this 4 months
If you think that you are kidding yourself
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
If children aren't back full time in September then teachers need to be back full time teaching the children remotely, marking homework, etc. A complete uniform approach across the board from every school and every teacher. Not what we witnessed in March, April, May and June were many schools simply shut and took an extended break. Teachers, Schools and Dept of Ed must pull their weight.

I actually agree with the part in bold, 100%. The problem earlier in the year is that the education authority/minister in charge hadn't a clue how to do it so by default the schools had to devise their own ways. Some schools did it better than others, some teachers were more productive than others and some did fook all. However, some parents also did fook all in terms of engaging with the schools and were happy enough to let their kids go into holiday mode. The finger of blame can't point entirely at teachers.

I have some issue with the point you make about teachers all being back full time teaching remotely though. For a lot people out there they simply cannot work full time if their own kids are not in school. The same will apply to teachers who have children of school age. It would be unreasonable to expect a teacher to work full time if they have kids at home due to lock down whilst at the same time saying its understandable that a retail worker can't go to work for the same reasons. However, this should all be covered by the uniform approach across the board you mention.
The uniform approach would have to be on a teacher by teacher basis and what their personal circumstances are. For example, a teacher who is shielding should not be in school at all, but if they have no school age children it could be reasonable to expect them to work the full working week remotely. But for a teacher who has young children who cannot attend school due to lock down, that teacher should not be expected to have to work in a full time capacity as they have childcare and homeschooling responsibilities also. Then there is also the scenario of teachers who are carers, teachers who travel long distances to work, support staff (classroom assistants, cleaners, kitchen staff, secretaries....the list goes on).
The uniform approach will have to cover all those scenarios and the extended staff of a school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2020, 01:25:57 PM
Children should be i school. That's where they need to be
Because see if they were not in school they would be outside with friends
The amount of children I see outside and no social distancing is crazy
Get the kids back
Teachers have not been in school this 4 months
If you think that you are kidding yourself

that is neither the fault of the school, teachers or the children.
Parents allow their children to do that. They need to take social responsibility for their own children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2020, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
If children aren't back full time in September then teachers need to be back full time teaching the children remotely, marking homework, etc. A complete uniform approach across the board from every school and every teacher. Not what we witnessed in March, April, May and June were many schools simply shut and took an extended break. Teachers, Schools and Dept of Ed must pull their weight.

I actually agree with the part in bold, 100%. The problem earlier in the year is that the education authority/minister in charge hadn't a clue how to do it so by default the schools had to devise their own ways. Some schools did it better than others, some teachers were more productive than others and some did fook all. However, some parents also did fook all in terms of engaging with the schools and were happy enough to let their kids go into holiday mode. The finger of blame can't point entirely at teachers.

I have some issue with the point you make about teachers all being back full time teaching remotely though. For a lot people out there they simply cannot work full time if their own kids are not in school. The same will apply to teachers who have children of school age. It would be unreasonable to expect a teacher to work full time if they have kids at home due to lock down whilst at the same time saying its understandable that a retail worker can't go to work for the same reasons. However, this should all be covered by the uniform approach across the board you mention.
The uniform approach would have to be on a teacher by teacher basis and what their personal circumstances are. For example, a teacher who is shielding should not be in school at all, but if they have no school age children it could be reasonable to expect them to work the full working week remotely. But for a teacher who has young children who cannot attend school due to lock down, that teacher should not be expected to have to work in a full time capacity as they have childcare and homeschooling responsibilities also. Then there is also the scenario of teachers who are carers, teachers who travel long distances to work, support staff (classroom assistants, cleaners, kitchen staff, secretaries....the list goes on).
The uniform approach will have to cover all those scenarios and the extended staff of a school.

It is not unreasonable. Creches have reopened. Make arrangements. Organise childcare just like the rest of the population have to. Take some responsibility.

This just sums up the attitude of the vast majority of teachers. Unwilling and uncompromising.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Teachers are in for a shock. Public fast losing respect for them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 30, 2020, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
If children aren't back full time in September then teachers need to be back full time teaching the children remotely, marking homework, etc. A complete uniform approach across the board from every school and every teacher. Not what we witnessed in March, April, May and June were many schools simply shut and took an extended break. Teachers, Schools and Dept of Ed must pull their weight.

I actually agree with the part in bold, 100%. The problem earlier in the year is that the education authority/minister in charge hadn't a clue how to do it so by default the schools had to devise their own ways. Some schools did it better than others, some teachers were more productive than others and some did fook all. However, some parents also did fook all in terms of engaging with the schools and were happy enough to let their kids go into holiday mode. The finger of blame can't point entirely at teachers.

I have some issue with the point you make about teachers all being back full time teaching remotely though. For a lot people out there they simply cannot work full time if their own kids are not in school. The same will apply to teachers who have children of school age. It would be unreasonable to expect a teacher to work full time if they have kids at home due to lock down whilst at the same time saying its understandable that a retail worker can't go to work for the same reasons. However, this should all be covered by the uniform approach across the board you mention.
The uniform approach would have to be on a teacher by teacher basis and what their personal circumstances are. For example, a teacher who is shielding should not be in school at all, but if they have no school age children it could be reasonable to expect them to work the full working week remotely. But for a teacher who has young children who cannot attend school due to lock down, that teacher should not be expected to have to work in a full time capacity as they have childcare and homeschooling responsibilities also. Then there is also the scenario of teachers who are carers, teachers who travel long distances to work, support staff (classroom assistants, cleaners, kitchen staff, secretaries....the list goes on).
The uniform approach will have to cover all those scenarios and the extended staff of a school.

It is not unreasonable. Creches have reopened. Make arrangements. Organise childcare just like the rest of the population have to. Take some responsibility.

This just sums up the attitude of the vast majority of teachers. Unwilling and uncompromising.

Then you can use the same argument for any person doing any job. If a retail worker has kids, and the schools are closed, then the same retail worker should get their kids into a creche and get out to work. If they don't do that then they are unwilling or uncompromising.
Though who will home-school the kids when they are in a creche?
And if schools are closed, would you expect creche's to be opened? I'd imagine closed schools would also mean closed childcare facilities. What should the teachers do then? Or indeed any worker in any job?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
That's the money spent! Didn't take long!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 30, 2020, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Teachers are in for a shock. Public fast losing respect for them.

The public don't have any respect for teachers so there is nothing to lose
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on June 30, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Teachers are in for a shock. Public fast losing respect for them.

You've not been too involved in the home schooling then!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 30, 2020, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 30, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 30, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Teachers are in for a shock. Public fast losing respect for them.

You've not been too involved in the home schooling then!!!
FG is a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on June 30, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
See previous posts....

Is the problem individual rather than 'industry' wide?

Some people need to look at the schools their kids attend.....rather than beating up the teaching profession....

As a responsible parent I think I'll try and keep the teaching up during the summer (admittedly poor in comparison to their actual teachers and fairly testing at times)

Ah well.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 30, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
In my experience, the vast majority of schools coped and delivered effective learning opportunities for pupils .
Post - primaries would be in a better position in terms of IT to deliver on line live lessons , as they are far better resourced.
Primary schools wouldnt have the IT infrastructure or finance to have expertise in IT. Education dept have nt refreshed the equipment in 6/7 years - it's knackered.
Please remember , we haven't been in the situation before.
Schools should be sending out questionnaires seeking ways to improve the service provided to the pupils and in supporting parents . If the arent doing that , then they deserve to be rebuked.
Some schools will need to improve , some will need to add consistency across the school , others will be able to continue with the service they have provided for August and September.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on June 30, 2020, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on June 30, 2020, 07:51:35 PM
See previous posts....

Is the problem individual rather than 'industry' wide?

Some people need to look at the schools their kids attend.....rather than beating up the teaching profession....

As a responsible parent I think I'll try and keep the teaching up during the summer (admittedly poor in comparison to their actual teachers and fairly testing at times)

Ah well.....

Exactly. The problem seems to me to be individual too. There are incompetent teachers like there are incompetent everything else in life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
That's the money spent! Didn't take long!

New whistle?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 30, 2020, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 05:46:19 PM
That's the money spent! Didn't take long!

New whistle?

Gold plated
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on June 30, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
Another major issue that Dept of Education need to resolve is Home to School transport. At the minute , they've no solution to that problem,so the roads will be chaos !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: delgany on June 30, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
Another major issue that Dept of Education need to resolve is Home to School transport. At the minute , they've no solution to that problem,so the roads will be chaos !

Would it not be, make the kids use a mask? Public transport is bringing this in
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on June 30, 2020, 10:26:39 PM
Both jurisdictions would be wise to come on with remote lesson plans over the summer. You don't know when you could have a Leicester and schools in some district would have to close.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 01:19:17 PM
The schools must open in September - ROI

https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144?s=09
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 03, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
Schools are opening in September are they not?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on July 03, 2020, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 01:19:17 PM
The schools must open in September - ROI

https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1278813714788102144?s=09

The teachers have huge concerns in regards the amount of people they will be exposed to each day. There is no way they can be subjected to this high volume of people.

In solidarity I think Supermarket shop attendants should refuse to work also as they are in the same environment, probably worse!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 03, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
Some of the above not going back to work until at least 2021 too. My God, how do they look the healthcare worker straight in the eye? Shameful.

Through a screen?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 03, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 03, 2020, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
Some of the above not going back to work until at least 2021 too. My God, how do they look the healthcare worker straight in the eye? Shameful.

Through a screen?

From what distance though?!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on July 03, 2020, 04:54:06 PM
Can SF support keeping schools closed now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???

School budgets are tight enough, so portacabbins will cost a few bob I'd say, will there be extra teachers with these portacabnins?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on July 03, 2020, 08:06:28 PM
I think that Postmen should work from home in solidarity as well. There can be a click and collect system set up where instead of the Postman being subjected to a doing his rounds and the dangers it involves. The customer gets a email to collect it's letters and parcels. In fairness s/he encounters a high volume of various people each day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 08:10:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 03, 2020, 08:06:28 PM
I think that Postmen should work from home in solidarity as well. There can be a click and collect system set up where instead of the Postman being subjected to a doing his rounds and the dangers it involves. The customer gets a email to collect it's letters and parcels. In fairness s/he encounters a high volume of various people each day.

And reduce attacks from dogs! Or at least I'll get my mail without it being shredded!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 03, 2020, 08:11:55 PM
They could call it a Post(mans) Office or something. Ingenious
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???

School budgets are tight enough, so portacabbins will cost a few bob I'd say, will there be extra teachers with these portacabnins?
I dont know, but I would suspect not. It's more about manouvering existing numbers about the place. You teaching hoors dont like thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???

School budgets are tight enough, so portacabbins will cost a few bob I'd say, will there be extra teachers with these portacabnins?
I dont know, but I would suspect not. It's more about manouvering existing numbers about the place. You teaching hoors dont like thinking outside the box.

I'm not teaching anymore thank f**k but you're trying to fix numbers that can't be done without actually bringing in more teachers. Happy days if the government give schools a bigger budget
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on July 06, 2020, 10:34:51 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???

Perhaps that school was getting portacabins anyway? The timing of the delivery would suggest it had been planned for summer holidays so not necessarily a social distancing management measure. But it could be....

I've a wee bit of experience on getting portacabins into an existing school setting, permission from the EA is required, planning permission is required and the cabin must be sourced. The EA will generally do the sourcing, but there's usually a substantial lead in time for these as they either have to be built or procured from another school where it is no longer required. A classroom type portacabin would be in excess of 100K too.
You could look up planning applications for the school and it may say why the cabins are required.

They could well help with socially distancing, but there is a lot of cost per cabin and then you need to staff the extra classroom.
I haven't seen any of the schools around my way getting them in nor have I heard any discussion from any of the school's my kids are at around getting them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BenDover on July 06, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???
Which school Benny - CBS?
If so numbers for the Bunscoil starting Sept are enough for 2 Rang 1 classes, could possibly be preplanning for future demand.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 06, 2020, 05:29:51 PM
Great to be on holidays all the same.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on July 06, 2020, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: BenDover on July 06, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???
Which school Benny - CBS?
If so numbers for the Bunscoil starting Sept are enough for 2 Rang 1 classes, could possibly be preplanning for future demand.
St Patrick's ps down Na Clairsigh way
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on July 07, 2020, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 06, 2020, 05:29:51 PM
Great to be on holidays all the same.

Yes..a well earned rest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2020, 09:13:28 PM
Just back from a night with a few teachers in town, they were out celebrating the summer hols! Coincidentally my first night out since lockdown! Lovely Guinness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on July 07, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 06, 2020, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: BenDover on July 06, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 03, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
See the local Primary school getting a delivery of Portacabins. I can recall getting a bit of ridicule for suggesting Portacabins as a potential route out of the social distancing conundrum. ???
Which school Benny - CBS?
If so numbers for the Bunscoil starting Sept are enough for 2 Rang 1 classes, could possibly be preplanning for future demand.
St Patrick's ps down Na Clairsigh way


Maybe due to area planning with increased admission numbers for that particular school because Minister Weir has emailed schools to say the Dept of Education hadn't two pennies to rub together to pay for any additional costs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 21, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
After the way GAA clubs reacted to a player testing positive, has there been any guideline offered yet as to what happens if a pupil or teacher tests positive?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Joeythelips on July 21, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Anyone who has had to home school their kids and pulled most of their own hair out in the attempt will have increased appreciation for teachers and the work they do, how anyone controls a class of children I have no idea. Not sure which would be worse, a classroom of 6/7 year olds with the energy to fuel a star or one full of hormonal teenagers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2020, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 21, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Anyone who has had to home school their kids and pulled most of their own hair out in the attempt will have increased appreciation for teachers and the work they do, how anyone controls a class of children I have no idea. Not sure which would be worse, a classroom of 6/7 year olds with the energy to fuel a star or one full of hormonal teenagers.

You are having a laugh! Teachers train in college to teach. That's their job. They teach during their working hours, not like most people after having done a days work.  They get well paid, do short hour days and get lorry loads of holidays. The vast amount of Teachers in the Republic piggy-backed on the parents from March to June.

If you want to go praising people, then praise the shopkeepers who kept the Shops open so you could eat!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2020, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 21, 2020, 09:33:57 PM
A massive well done to the shopkeepers.

;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.

Yes, teachers down south pulled out all the stops to make sure the Leaving cert was completed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Joeythelips on July 22, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2020, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 21, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
Anyone who has had to home school their kids and pulled most of their own hair out in the attempt will have increased appreciation for teachers and the work they do, how anyone controls a class of children I have no idea. Not sure which would be worse, a classroom of 6/7 year olds with the energy to fuel a star or one full of hormonal teenagers.

You are having a laugh! Teachers train in college to teach. That's their job. They teach during their working hours, not like most people after having done a days work.  They get well paid, do short hour days and get lorry loads of holidays. The vast amount of Teachers in the Republic piggy-backed on the parents from March to June.

If you want to go praising people, then praise the shopkeepers who kept the Shops open so you could eat!

Im not having a laugh at all, teaching children is not easy. Anyone who went to school will know this as there were/are plenty of poor teachers along with good ones. I am sure both were trained up like you have said. I have struggled to home school teaching one 9 year old so I was just commenting that I would imagine a class room full of children would be a huge task to control them, let alone teach them. Also I know they teach during the 9 - 3 or whatever the work hours are, but do they not correct and prepare tests/work at some stage in the day also? I am not a teacher nor do I know any but I would imagine its not just rock up at 9 and head home at 3/4.

You are right to praise shopkeeper and their staff but last time I looked they were not doing it so I could eat, they were doing it to make money, and they have made a killing. Not sure what its like back home but a hell of a lot of Special offers vanished pretty quickly once lockdown kicked in. It has been like one big long Christmas for the larger chains from what I could see.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.

Don't think any of the nurses were slaughtered
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.

Yes, teachers down south pulled out all the stops to make sure the Leaving cert was completed.

::) lazy analysis. Ultimately it was Joe McHugh who abandoned it. All secondary school teachers I know were doing lessons over the internet with their students.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on July 22, 2020, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 22, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.

Yes, teachers down south pulled out all the stops to make sure the Leaving cert was completed.

::) lazy analysis. Ultimately it was Joe McHugh who abandoned it. All secondary school teachers I know were doing lessons over the internet with their students.

Were they? Hahahaha. Loooooosers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on July 23, 2020, 07:43:49 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on July 22, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Nurses and teachers - the true heroes of 2020.

Don't think any of the nurses were slaughtered

Nurses have been getting her handy since March. The entire health service has.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 10:16:15 AM
Are there not teachers currently doing summer schemes at school, getting paid for it AND getting their normal pay?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 23, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 10:16:15 AM
Are there not teachers currently doing summer schemes at school, getting paid for it AND getting their normal pay?
Working overtime and getting paid for it? The world has gone mad.

Point being ther's loads of young sub teachers out there, who could get experience.

It's as bad as schools hiring teachers, who have retired on a big pension but still work while young teachers can't get the work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on July 23, 2020, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 21, 2020, 09:33:57 PM
A massive well done to the shopkeepers.

the cheesemakers stayed at their posts and should be blessed for that reason.

Quote from: Kidder81 on July 22, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Don't think any of the nurses were slaughtered

Slaughtered, perhaps that is not the term, though some did die while others have had long term effects from Covid which would have seen on the programme last night.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 06, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Positive news coming out. Has anyone read the full report yet?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 06, 2020, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 06, 2020, 05:21:14 PM
Positive news coming out. Has anyone read the full report yet?

Don't think anybody has but Peter .
We will probably get a look at it about 9 p.m Sunday week.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 06, 2020, 05:34:31 PM
Yyyyeeeeoooooooo
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 06, 2020, 06:08:53 PM
Wifes in tears here. Cheers Peter. Ill naw get the curt the nite
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 06, 2020, 08:26:25 PM
Too early for Elf?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 06, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
Why does social distancing not apply to children when they are in school but does after 3pm?
They can pick this virus up from ones in their bubble just as easy as from anyone outside it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.

I don't agree. At a time when the R number is rising, they are sending all kids to school with no social distancing after previously saying they wouldn't do this.

However, it's not school as normal. Staggered start and end times, staggered lunches, class bubbles for some years and not for others.
My wife is a teacher and they have been told if a single child in a class has a temperature, the entire class is sent home to isolate. That means the families of each of those children and teacher must isolate. It won't be long until everyone is at home in isolation as we're coming into winter flu time. Kids always pick up bugs on return to school in September so even a sore throat will mean isolation for a class.
This won't help people get to work, it will make it impossible to be able to consistently go to work imo.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
NAS talking about suing schools.

Not a smooth start to the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
NAS talking about suing schools.

Not a smooth start to the year.

Who are NAS? Probably obvious....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: naka on August 07, 2020, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.
i think everyone outside of the  teachers unions know this is essential.
most of us in private business are struggling to keep people in jobs yet we know that people are in real difficulties with childcare etc, for this to change schools need to be functioning.
for me, this is a chance to radically change the education system and get more emphasis on the sciences, languages, and computers although the unions won`t agree.
i am aware of teachers in my own social circle who are totally against returning to school because of the health risks ,but their kids are at camogie, football etc, one has been in spain for a fortnight and the pubs don`t seem to be out of bounds.
a sense of perspective needs to be called for or else we all are in the shit..

and don`t get me started on the lessons our kids were supposed to have from March to June......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 07, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: naka on August 07, 2020, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.
i think everyone outside of the  teachers unions know this is essential.
most of us in private business are struggling to keep people in jobs yet we know that people are in real difficulties with childcare etc, for this to change schools need to be functioning.
for me, this is a chance to radically change the education system and get more emphasis on the sciences, languages, and computers although the unions won`t agree.
i am aware of teachers in my own social circle who are totally against returning to school because of the health risks ,but their kids are at camogie, football etc, one has been in spain for a fortnight and the pubs don`t seem to be out of bounds.
a sense of perspective needs to be called for or else we all are in the shit..

and don`t get me started on the lessons our kids were supposed to have from March to June......

The sense of perspective required is that schools can only operate with the principles that are required by all of us in modern life, distancing, marks, cleaning etc. The problem is that the attitude is being taken that if these things are hard to achieve then you just forget about them, no doubt the meat factories took the same approach. But if you take shortcuts then you end up closed again anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: naka on August 07, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
armaghniac i get this that we all have to be careful but we can`t keep schools closed. The reality is the Brits and the  Irish government   to their credit have thrown as much money as they could to keep people safe via Furlough, loans, grants etc but it will end soon.
everyone knows that there will be a car crash come the Autumn but we have to try and ensure that the damage caused is minimal.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on August 07, 2020, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
NAS talking about suing schools.

Not a smooth start to the year.

Who are NAS? Probably obvious....

Full title - NASUWT - National Association of Schoolmasters and Union of Women Teachers. They represent about 11k teachers in NI

Justin McCamphill was on Nolan this morning, stating that legal action could be taken against those schools that do not protect their staff by having proper systems in place to mitigate against Covid19
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on August 07, 2020, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.

I don't agree. At a time when the R number is rising, they are sending all kids to school with no social distancing after previously saying they wouldn't do this.

However, it's not school as normal. Staggered start and end times, staggered lunches, class bubbles for some years and not for others.
My wife is a teacher and they have been told if a single child in a class has a temperature, the entire class is sent home to isolate. That means the families of each of those children and teacher must isolate. It won't be long until everyone is at home in isolation as we're coming into winter flu time. Kids always pick up bugs on return to school in September so even a sore throat will mean isolation for a class.
This won't help people get to work, it will make it impossible to be able to consistently go to work imo.

Would that child not just get tested ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 07, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 07, 2020, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.

I don't agree. At a time when the R number is rising, they are sending all kids to school with no social distancing after previously saying they wouldn't do this.

However, it's not school as normal. Staggered start and end times, staggered lunches, class bubbles for some years and not for others.
My wife is a teacher and they have been told if a single child in a class has a temperature, the entire class is sent home to isolate. That means the families of each of those children and teacher must isolate. It won't be long until everyone is at home in isolation as we're coming into winter flu time. Kids always pick up bugs on return to school in September so even a sore throat will mean isolation for a class.
This won't help people get to work, it will make it impossible to be able to consistently go to work imo.

Would that child not just get tested ?

Hearing a lot of stuff about re-opening schools but why do they not test the children for Covid every 3 days or something?

Would that not be better?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 07, 2020, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2020, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 07, 2020, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 07, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Quote from: GJL on August 06, 2020, 08:15:53 PM
Great news. Very hard for the world of work to get back to any sort of normality unless children are at school.

I don't agree. At a time when the R number is rising, they are sending all kids to school with no social distancing after previously saying they wouldn't do this.

However, it's not school as normal. Staggered start and end times, staggered lunches, class bubbles for some years and not for others.
My wife is a teacher and they have been told if a single child in a class has a temperature, the entire class is sent home to isolate. That means the families of each of those children and teacher must isolate. It won't be long until everyone is at home in isolation as we're coming into winter flu time. Kids always pick up bugs on return to school in September so even a sore throat will mean isolation for a class.
This won't help people get to work, it will make it impossible to be able to consistently go to work imo.

Would that child not just get tested ?

Hearing a lot of stuff about re-opening schools but why do they not test the children for Covid every 3 days or something?

Would that not be better?

How much would that cost? A typical test is £100 plus, the NHS send them out and its sent back to the likes of Randox to complete the rest.. would be a very expensive thing to do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on August 07, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
I think the teachers should start off where they finished up, here in the South. One e-mail at the beginning of the week with the schoolwork to be done for the week by the parents. The Teachers can copy and paste - change the page numbers and e-mail the following week and so on. It's far to dangerous for them to return to class. The service that teachers provide is invaluable. Parents will now respect the hard work that teachers do. Teachers really stood up to be counted during lockdown.  Not many realise this but Teachers spent every Sunday evening of their normal free time sending a schoolwork e-mail.

To be fair to the Schools they have been caught off guard as to preparing for a return. They have only known of this since mid-March, not enough time to get things sorted.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 07, 2020, 05:59:50 PM
The crying teachers union were always going to come back in August. They have had from March to get something sorted. Get out to work and get on with it like everyone else. Work does not continue unless kids are back full time. Parents are depending on this. It's ok to attend GAA MATCHES GO TO PUBS but the first word on going back and it's uproar
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 07, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Are schools going to be the only workplace where social distancing is going to be ignored?
Dangerous place to be !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 07, 2020, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 07, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Are schools going to be the only workplace where social distancing is going to be ignored?
Dangerous place to be !!

Nah.
Meat factories don't seem to do social distancing either
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 07, 2020, 09:23:52 PM
They will soon enough I expect.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 07, 2020, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 06, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
Why does social distancing not apply to children when they are in school but does after 3pm?
They can pick this virus up from ones in their bubble just as easy as from anyone outside it.

Oh no, its better than that.

The school will keep them in a bubble in the classroom - then load them all onto the usual busses at the usual  service rate (i.e. "full to capacity").

So the "bubbles" is 100% ineffective.
The bus drivers are at significantly increased risk.
Anyone else on a normal service bus that carries school kids are at a significantly increased risk.
The parents are at significantly increased risk.
and finally the teachers are at significantly increased risk.

How, after 5 months to work on it, Peter Weir can conclude this is the course of action to take is beyond me. I'd love to see the reports that led him to this conclusion. I fully expect it all to come out in the inevitable court case when someone dies because of transmission via a school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 07, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
It just seems like they've decided "f**k it".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 07, 2020, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 07, 2020, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 07, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
It just seems like they've decided "f**k it".
That is it. There is support for that though. People are happy to social distance and play their part as long as they can bung their kids in somewhere for some other cnut to look after them.

It'll flip this whole thread on its head though. Teachers putting their lives on the line minding other people's kids while accountants are sitting in the house in their trunks.

Maybe not.

I think's it's the former - get them out of the house, back to school as I can't handle dealing with them in the house for another few months!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 07, 2020, 11:21:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 07, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
Are schools going to be the only workplace where social distancing is going to be ignored?
Dangerous place to be !!

No, also meat plants, and sure they show there is nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 11:46:08 PM
You get the impression that so many schools went on solo runs and none of them knitted well that this was their best option.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
Timetables/scheduling.

I'd two different schedules sent to me in July from different schools for my own children. Throw in my own and it was almost impossible to manage it without me having to leave my work at times.

Say for example Belfast - I thought schools would have somehow managed to get together to work something that synced.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 12:04:28 AM
Agree - definitely not. I think that's why they (Weir et al) thought fcuk it.

Throw in exam boards having to work out new specs.

I think they're hoping we'll be lucky here and get through this alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
It should be known that Teachers are the victims in all of this.

It has not been easy the last six months for them waiting to get back to school.

A lot of the covid planning seems rushed and they may need an extra month to be extra safe.

If parents have survived up to now an extra month wont make a difference.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 12:13:47 AM
I think when you saw two completely different strategies from two major schools in close proximity to each other put forward in late June/early July which had zero correlation to each other, you knew this isn't going to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 08, 2020, 12:20:03 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 12:13:47 AM
I think when you saw two completely different strategies from two major schools in close proximity to each other put forward in late June/early July which had zero correlation to each other, you knew this isn't going to work.
Surely they are cutting their cloth to suit? It's not as if they're not doing something because those hoors up the street are doing it.

100%. That's why it couldn't work. Actually had a 20 quid bet on from late June that Weir would announce what he did yesterday. I won't get paid. You throw in primary schools with serious changes....teachers with children couldn't work it, as well as non-teaching parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 01:40:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 08, 2020, 12:14:54 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
It should be known that Teachers are the victims in all of this.

It has not been easy the last six months for them waiting to get back to school.

A lot of the covid planning seems rushed and they may need an extra month to be extra safe.

If parents have survived up to now an extra month wont make a difference.
It's bloody disgraceful. And there are people staying at home supping the government's soup instead of going back to their work!

Who are these people staying at home supping the government's soup instead of going back to their work?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
It should be known that Teachers are the victims in all of this.

It has not been easy the last six months for them waiting to get back to school.

A lot of the covid planning seems rushed and they may need an extra month to be extra safe.

If parents have survived up to now an extra month wont make a difference.

How are the teachers victims?

Yes, the planning is rushed. I'm not sure of the size of classrooms, but there is no way in hell 30 children can keep 2 metres apart. Nor one. Children are supposed to be carriers of the virus so as RadioGAAGAA pointed out what happens when these 'pods' go home on buses.

I don't know how they'll manage to keep children apart on yard either. Will each pod get staggered lunchbreaks? Four or five from each class out at a time, laughable.

Teachers are also advised not to interact with children either, so if Johnny down the back doesn't understand pythagoras theorem or the likes from the board what does the teacher do then?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 08, 2020, 08:44:15 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 12:13:47 AM
I think when you saw two completely different strategies from two major schools in close proximity to each other put forward in late June/early July which had zero correlation to each other, you knew this isn't going to work.

As far as I know they put out different strategies as the education board (i.e. Peter Weir) were completely absent in providing leadership and a coherent plan they could all work to.

So they ended up doing either their own thing, or a few clusters might have got together and agreed a common approach.



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 08, 2020, 03:38:23 PM
There aren't too many jobs where the employee will be expected to spend 5-6 hours in a small room with up to 30 and sometimes more pupils, with no social distancing, no PPE advised and little ventilation.

Cannot understand why they didn't go with a half day for schools for eg the first 3 weeks, just to make sure all covid regulations were working and any issues could have been sorted before a full opening
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 08, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 08, 2020, 03:38:23 PM
There aren't too many jobs where the employee will be expected to spend 5-6 hours in a small room with up to 30 and sometimes more pupils, with no social distancing, no PPE advised and little ventilation.

Cannot understand why they didn't go with a half day for schools for eg the first 3 weeks, just to make sure all covid regulations were working and any issues could have been sorted before a full opening

A gradual start was the plan for most schools, however , Minister Weird , was tapped up,  to make a change without consulting anyone outside of his Party .

For one thing , if risk assessments are adhered to , some schools will not open  full time. No school has an expert in risk assessment and few have attended any suitable training.

No Principal or Governors ( although indemified ) will be happy with the threat of being sued by a Union.

He should have enabled a gradual return to normal hours over a 3 -4 week period !

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 08, 2020, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 08, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 08, 2020, 03:38:23 PM
There aren't too many jobs where the employee will be expected to spend 5-6 hours in a small room with up to 30 and sometimes more pupils, with no social distancing, no PPE advised and little ventilation.

Cannot understand why they didn't go with a half day for schools for eg the first 3 weeks, just to make sure all covid regulations were working and any issues could have been sorted before a full opening

A gradual start was the plan for most schools, however , Minister Weird , was tapped up,  to make a change without consulting anyone outside of his Party .

For one thing , if risk assessments are adhered to , some schools will not open  full time. No school has an expert in risk assessment and few have attended any suitable training.

No Principal or Governors ( although indemified ) will be happy with the threat of being sued by a Union.

He should have enabled a gradual return to normal hours over a 3 -4 week period !

From what I can see all Weir, by doing this, wants to appease the transfer test kids/parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 08, 2020, 05:17:38 PM
To put the situation in perspective, about 10 000 children do the GL /AQE test .
There are 345 000 children enrolled in the Education System in the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on August 08, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
It should be known that Teachers are the victims in all of this.


Aye.

Teachers, victims.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 08, 2020, 06:19:52 PM
Strike?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 08, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on August 08, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 08, 2020, 12:08:23 AM
It should be known that Teachers are the victims in all of this.


Aye.

Teachers, victims.

You obviously haven't read Bunker's posts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Will be interested to see how it goes in ICT classes. Are all PCs and Macs to be cleaned after every class?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 08, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 08, 2020, 04:59:31 PM
From what I can see all Weir, by doing this, wants to appease the transfer test kids/parents.

That'll work well when there is a rake of them or their teachers down with the virus by the time of the tests.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 08, 2020, 11:23:02 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 08, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 08, 2020, 04:59:31 PM
From what I can see all Weir, by doing this, wants to appease the transfer test kids/parents.

That'll work well when there is a rake of them or their teachers down with the virus by the time of the tests.

The problem is Sinn Fein have conceded the transfer debate to the unionists in exchange for justice being devolved therefore Weir has a free run at this...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2020, 10:45:38 PM
Not long now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on August 11, 2020, 10:44:25 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 07, 2020, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 06, 2020, 08:53:22 PM
Why does social distancing not apply to children when they are in school but does after 3pm?
They can pick this virus up from ones in their bubble just as easy as from anyone outside it.

Oh no, its better than that.

The school will keep them in a bubble in the classroom - then load them all onto the usual busses at the usual  service rate (i.e. "full to capacity").

So the "bubbles" is 100% ineffective.
The bus drivers are at significantly increased risk.
Anyone else on a normal service bus that carries school kids are at a significantly increased risk.
The parents are at significantly increased risk.
and finally the teachers are at significantly increased risk.

How, after 5 months to work on it, Peter Weir can conclude this is the course of action to take is beyond me. I'd love to see the reports that led him to this conclusion. I fully expect it all to come out in the inevitable court case when someone dies because of transmission via a school.

Might has well not have closed schools at all!

It smells of "a feck it, we'll try it and see how we get on as anything else is too much of a headache".
My wife is a PS teacher of a P1 class. She has 32 kids to teach. They were just about able to do the 1m social distancing with 15 kids in a class. Her head teacher has said that if any of the children in the class show any symptoms, the entire class and staff will be sent home to isolate. Now if my wife is sent home to isolate, does that not mean my whole family need to isolate? And what about the other schools my kids go to? If my kids are isolating due to my wife isolating, when should those other classes do?
In normal times when kids return to school in September there is usually a flu/vomiting/stomach bug that starts doing the rounds within a month. This time around, when that happens everyone will have to stay at home and isolate.
Schools will still be empty after a month and the the sub-teacher industry will also go into overdrive.

There's no risk free scenario, I agree, but this is the absolute most risky approach to take. Weir is not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on August 11, 2020, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 07, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
Timetables/scheduling.

I'd two different schedules sent to me in July from different schools for my own children. Throw in my own and it was almost impossible to manage it without me having to leave my work at times.

Say for example Belfast - I thought schools would have somehow managed to get together to work something that synced.

This is a failure of the dept of Ed and the Peter Weir.
The schools had to do their own thing as nothing was mandated from the central body. So every school had to work out what advice to follow for their setting and try to put something in place. A school is by it's nature only set up to control it's own environment. The Dept have responsibility for setting up a strategy for all schools to adhere to, and they couldnt do it.
You are a 100% right though. As of Sept, I'll have 3 kids in different year groups at secondary....and before the "f*ck it moment" of sending everyone back, they all had staggered start dates and different days in school. I have 2 in primary, which were running on a different schedule and 1 starting nursery and we've still no idea what's happening there.
Impossible for any family to manage all the difference schedules and try to go to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on August 11, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 08, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Will be interested to see how it goes in ICT classes. Are all PCs and Macs to be cleaned after every class?

Sure desks are the same. For secondary children that move to different rooms for different subjects, the desks would need cleaned down too.
Door handles?
Toilets?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
In other news, the results are coming out this Thursday for the A level students

Going by the complete fcuk up in Scotland it seems that there may be similar issues here..

My kids are both waiting on results A level's and GCSE .. The teachers have put a huge amount of time into getting the 'correct' results based on previous tests like AS's and so on, but the problem in Scotland seems to be the that they don't have the same testing method as we do here for A level students? Are tests in Scotland carried out in lower 6th?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2020, 01:01:11 PM
I think they do "highers" and go to university a year earlier than you do here so would be left before 18.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 11, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
In other news, the results are coming out this Thursday for the A level students

Going by the complete fcuk up in Scotland it seems that there may be similar issues here..

My kids are both waiting on results A level's and GCSE .. The teachers have put a huge amount of time into getting the 'correct' results based on previous tests like AS's and so on, but the problem in Scotland seems to be the that they don't have the same testing method as we do here for A level students? Are tests in Scotland carried out in lower 6th?
Prior performance of the school is part of their algorithm which seems to be a key issue. My eldest is waiting on GCSEs and to be honest it could be a mixed bag as like most boys especially, he had the brains but coasted and was expecting to cram and do well in 5th year. Back-fired this year but I'm not massively concerned as it's GCSE and therfore a stepping stone to A Level. Could be massive issues for A Level pupils.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 11, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 11, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
In other news, the results are coming out this Thursday for the A level students

Going by the complete fcuk up in Scotland it seems that there may be similar issues here..

My kids are both waiting on results A level's and GCSE .. The teachers have put a huge amount of time into getting the 'correct' results based on previous tests like AS's and so on, but the problem in Scotland seems to be the that they don't have the same testing method as we do here for A level students? Are tests in Scotland carried out in lower 6th?
Prior performance of the school is part of their algorithm which seems to be a key issue. My eldest is waiting on GCSEs and to be honest it could be a mixed bag as like most boys especially, he had the brains but coasted and was expecting to cram and do well in 5th year. Back-fired this year but I'm not massively concerned as it's GCSE and therfore a stepping stone to A Level. Could be massive issues for A Level pupils.

Is there not something similar in operation here as well?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:08:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 11, 2020, 02:20:05 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 11, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
In other news, the results are coming out this Thursday for the A level students

Going by the complete fcuk up in Scotland it seems that there may be similar issues here..

My kids are both waiting on results A level's and GCSE .. The teachers have put a huge amount of time into getting the 'correct' results based on previous tests like AS's and so on, but the problem in Scotland seems to be the that they don't have the same testing method as we do here for A level students? Are tests in Scotland carried out in lower 6th?
Prior performance of the school is part of their algorithm which seems to be a key issue. My eldest is waiting on GCSEs and to be honest it could be a mixed bag as like most boys especially, he had the brains but coasted and was expecting to cram and do well in 5th year. Back-fired this year but I'm not massively concerned as it's GCSE and therfore a stepping stone to A Level. Could be massive issues for A Level pupils.

Is there not something similar in operation here as well?

Yes there was, and if that's the case my daughter will be happy if that's happening
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Yeah, it appears prior performance is part of the moderation process that needs to take place. CCEA have already said that before their intervention top grades had increased by 10%, on a normal year it would probably be between 1-2%.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Yeah, it appears prior performance is part of the moderation process that needs to take place. CCEA have already said that before their intervention top grades had increased by 10%, on a normal year it would probably be between 1-2%.

What percentage is given towards previous results from the school and what percentage is given from the predicted grades given by the teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Yeah, it appears prior performance is part of the moderation process that needs to take place. CCEA have already said that before their intervention top grades had increased by 10%, on a normal year it would probably be between 1-2%.

What percentage is given towards previous results from the school and what percentage is given from the predicted grades given by the teacher?

CCEA Chief Exec wasn't giving anything away on Nolan yesterday morning about the weightings on all the different criteria being used. But he did say grades could go up or down based on that.

The Scots have rowed back now. All results to revert back to teachers initial grades.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on August 11, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Yeah, it appears prior performance is part of the moderation process that needs to take place. CCEA have already said that before their intervention top grades had increased by 10%, on a normal year it would probably be between 1-2%.

What percentage is given towards previous results from the school and what percentage is given from the predicted grades given by the teacher?

CCEA Chief Exec wasn't giving anything away on Nolan yesterday morning about the weightings on all the different criteria being used. But he did say grades could go up or down based on that.

The Scots have rowed back now. All results to revert back to teachers initial grades.

So teachers who can get bonussed on grades can now decide for themselves??!!

Some can of worms this is!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 11, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
A Level grades are based in the main on AS grades with some uplift from expected AS repeats.

AS grades are based in the main on average GCSE grades.

GCSE grades are based in the main on 3 years' outcomes from same school, with each year weighted (2019 results given heavier weighting).

Statistical tests have shown a high correlation when 2019 results were tested. Though high could be close to moderate and isn't very high.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 11, 2020, 03:34:26 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2020, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 11, 2020, 03:13:06 PM
Yeah, it appears prior performance is part of the moderation process that needs to take place. CCEA have already said that before their intervention top grades had increased by 10%, on a normal year it would probably be between 1-2%.

What percentage is given towards previous results from the school and what percentage is given from the predicted grades given by the teacher?

CCEA Chief Exec wasn't giving anything away on Nolan yesterday morning about the weightings on all the different criteria being used. But he did say grades could go up or down based on that.

The Scots have rowed back now. All results to revert back to teachers initial grades.

So teachers who can get bonussed on grades can now decide for themselves??!!

Some can of worms this is!!

What schools are giving bonus's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 12, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
Tomorrow is going to be a complete shambles.
English boards have left predicted grades alone but not CCEA. They know better than the teachers ......

I have no doubt that CCEA have downgraded Secondary pupils but left Grammar pupils as predicted.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 12, 2020, 05:48:48 PM
 It's CCEA.
One of the reasons many schools have moved to English boards over the last decade.

Grammar schools results over a three year average are alot more consistent than secondary school results.
Secondary school results flucate alot more.
It's one of the reasons why using an algorithm based on a three years average was a bad idea.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 12, 2020, 10:43:14 PM
Can't see any school being silly enough to try that if there grades are that consistent. Where the grading is that consistent the algorithm will work. Alot of grammars get that consistency because they have creamed the top of at 11

But i know of several secondary schools whose three year results would have fluctuated by +/- 15 % of their three year average over those 3 years. So for example you have 63% , 75% and 54% for example. That gives you a three year average of 64%.
You have predicted this year to be say 73% as you know you have a strong group of pupils. The computer has said no.

As for CCEA they have all ready stayed that they have reduced the grades by 10%.
I can guarantee what sector it will hit hardest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2020, 11:02:47 PM
I doubt there will be any sleep in my house Tonight  :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 13, 2020, 08:02:52 AM
And so it begins ....

Tweet from St Cecilias in Derry:
@tgeducation 13% of our A2 pupils have received grades LOWER than their AS grades. How is this 'fair' and then comparable to other parts of the Uk? @peterweirmla @JustinEducation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
Quote from: hardstation on August 13, 2020, 08:10:00 AM
Fun day ahead no doubt.

Sitting here with my daughter, generally all results which her friends seem to be at are a level below their AS results and predicted grades!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
CCEA
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 13, 2020, 08:19:20 AM
Seems to be the trend.

CCEA are going to have a lot of appeals especially when parents realise that the grade recieved is lower than the grade predicted by the teacher .

As I said this is going to get very very messy for Justin and Peter.
They have created this
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 13, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
I would say that Nolan will be fun this morning....

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 08:28:21 AM
In fairness a lot of colleges have given unconditional places away... but what I'm seeing from certainly a grammar school is that the grades are one below
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:52 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 08:28:21 AM
In fairness a lot of colleges have given unconditional places away... but what I'm seeing from certainly a grammar school is that the grades are one below

Another thing is a lot of students could defer their university course for a year...with all the uncertainty.

There'll be no bars and discos etc. open as such so a lot of uni life is the social aspect and living away from home hence, uni's offering unconditional places to students earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 08:56:28 AM
The strange thing about queen's giving unconditional places is that there are kids getting well below the mark that was required and are now able to get a place before someone who's better results?? !!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Not sure if this should go in the WTF thread but for Gavin Williamson to even suggest that this "covid generation" would be harmed as they'd be promoted beyond their ability really does reek of self awareness and a wee gander around his cabinet table shows plenty of that without them being the covid generation.

arrogant pricks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 13, 2020, 09:31:50 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Not sure if this should go in the WTF thread but for Gavin Williamson to even suggest that this "covid generation" would be harmed as they'd be promoted beyond their ability really does reek of self awareness and a wee gander around his cabinet table shows plenty of that without them being the covid generation.

arrogant pricks

AKA The Tory Party.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 09:48:55 AM
All grades seem to be hit here, next week will be even more of a farce....

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 13, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Minister Weird and DENI are a complete shitshow.
1. A level rsults are a complete disaster zone,   GCSE next week will be no better.
2. The return to school guidance info. that all schools have been waiting , is being made available TODAY, of all days , funny that !

Something needs to be done about the level of incompetence
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 13, 2020, 10:27:17 AM
Weir should be resigning .
He is just not fit for the job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 10:32:25 AM
A friend of my daughter has been getting A stars right through, her AS results were A stars also, waiting on results today A and 2 B's! WTF !!!

Both offers from Queens and Glasgow have been rejected for medicine ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
So they have done this across all the schools rather that the schools previous results over the last three years?

What sort of set up did they use?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 13, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
My daughter has never got anything less than an A*/A in any exam got her A/S results this morning and was awarded AAB and is very unhappy. A complete Shitshow from CCEA, Weir has to go.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 13, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
My daughter has never got anything less than an A*/A in any exam got her A/S results this morning and was awarded AAB and is very unhappy. A complete Shitshow from CCEA, Weir has to go.

They evidently don't trust the teachers.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 11:27:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfSZW4xWsAA8Rvr?format=png&name=900x900)

Ahem............

This is Engerland though"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: currychip on August 13, 2020, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 13, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
My daughter has never got anything less than an A*/A in any exam got her A/S results this morning and was awarded AAB and is very unhappy. A complete Shitshow from CCEA, Weir has to go.

They evidently don't trust the teachers.

I don't think you can get A* in AS, only a max of A.  Maybe one of the teachers out there can confirm this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 02:12:44 PM
Quote from: currychip on August 13, 2020, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 13, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 13, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
My daughter has never got anything less than an A*/A in any exam got her A/S results this morning and was awarded AAB and is very unhappy. A complete Shitshow from CCEA, Weir has to go.

They evidently don't trust the teachers.

I don't think you can get A* in AS, only a max of A.  Maybe one of the teachers out there can confirm this.

That's true, was my mistake, A* in CGSE

Friend was speaking to admissions this morning at Queens, their son didn't get his course there (that being his first choice) was offered another college, but someone who was given unconditional offer on the same course managed to get in with a B-C-U when you needed a A and 2 B's! for the same course, now their son has to go to another college I think across the water to do same course after getting better grades..

But apparently that's all good say's Peter
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on August 13, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
Do these algorithms go back 25 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 13, 2020, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on August 13, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
Do these algorithms go back 25 years.
;D it definitely screwed up my Physics result in 1994!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 13, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
I don't comment here often, but at the risk of doxxing myself, here are my thoughts from a different forum.

Quote
I listened to Nolan this morning and felt the head of CCEA answered the questions very well and there were certain things he would like to have said, but couldn't as it would be a PR disaster.

1. Some of the anecdotes we heard were shocking but should be investigated a bit more before being taken as gospel. A couple of examples (trying not to disrespect these individuals, of course they must be angry this morning). A father saying his son never got a B grade in his life then later saying he thought he got one at AS level. A pupil wasn't sure how many were in his class (he thought it was 8 ). The St Cecilia's principal admitting the students had low class rankings, brushing over it, but not understanding why they got low grades.

2. Automatically upgrading every appeal, using predicted grades etc. like Scotland and Wales damages the credibility of the qualification. Teachers predict higher than deserved grades for many reasons, with extra incentive to do so this year, and using them would cause such a disproportionate number of higher grades. This would take away from the achievement of pupils who get that grade deservedly.

3. Nolan and the public in general don't understand how statistical models work. Explaining how is not easy, even to people with a good understanding of maths but I'll try... CCEA could only use 3 variables in their A level model: AS result, predicted result and class ranking. These are highly correlated, so much so that in a multivariate model some will have a reversal effect (negative coefficient when expecting a positive). They could remove the variable or manually fix coefficients up front, but all of these methods will result in anomalies, particularly when the results need to be standardised (eg. same/similar proportion of each grade as previous year). I'm sure CCEA tried their best but there is no perfect model or method to do this. They have tried to identify anomalies and make the schools aware, so that grades can be reviewed through the appeals process. Talking about particular cases on air wouldn't be appropriate for the head of CCEA to do.

4. At one stage Nolan was outraged that pupils grades were being balanced to NI nationwide previous results. Then 5 mintues later he was outraged that in a different model (GCSE) the results were being balanced to individual schools previous results. I don't know what Nolan wants to balance to if these are unacceptable to him.
...
Until the highly unlikely event of CCEA publishing more technical details of the model we have to make some assumptions. I didn't want to put too much in my initial post but here are some more considerations on the modeling side:

1. 25k pupils this year was the figure I heard for A level results. I'm open to correction on that. Let's say they used 10 years of data that's 250k observations on the training data. This is actually small for a predictive model eg. GLM and the associated error of predictions is larger when the sample size is small.

2. The predicted grade variable is likely to be of poor quality due to teacher optimism. Poor quality data affects the quality of predictions (garbage in, garbage out). Add to that the assumption that this year teachers were even more optimistic than in previous years, the predictions will have a higher margin of error. This affects the predictions of all pupils, bad and good.

3. Constraints such as the balancing/standardization one again makes for poorer quality predictions, especially for those at the boundary of grades.

In your example the difference may be within the margin of error given these constraints and assumptions. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that the grades would change that much due to natural fluctuations from year to year.

CCEA can't do anything about these issues and I'm sure they tried their best to make the model "fair" but really they were put in an impossible position of having to provide grades in such circumstances.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Then why ask the teachers to rank them in the first place and give examples of why they have given the results if all they were going to do was use the model?

as for Nolan he'll look to have a 'story' regardless of whats being said

It was impossible for CCEA to keep everyone happy and just go with the predicted grades but it looks like they just dropped everyone a place.. so a low A* dropped to a A and a low B dropped to a C and so on
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 13, 2020, 05:05:48 PM
They haven't dropped everyone a place. My old school has their top achiever on Facebook already with 4 x A* and 1 A (AS). The missus said some school heads were on earlier and were delighted but equally Wallace looked like they were refusing to accept the results! It's a clusterfuck regardless.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 13, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 05:00:02 PM
Then why ask the teachers to rank them in the first place and give examples of why they have given the results if all they were going to do was use the model?

as for Nolan he'll look to have a 'story' regardless of whats being said

It was impossible for CCEA to keep everyone happy and just go with the predicted grades but it looks like they just dropped everyone a place.. so a low A* dropped to a A and a low B dropped to a C and so on

Not as simple. Some pupils not dropped. Some by 1 grade. Some by 2 grades. Even by 3.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
So bizarrely after speaking to the wife about her results, all her grades that she gave at AS and  A  level were kept?

I agree with Hardstation that yeah CCEA probably went "aye dead on" but it's the certain results that stand out are probably hard to swallow!

The colleges that gave out unconditional places have also fucked up as there are lots of students in there with results that wouldn't get them to tech! on a normal year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 13, 2020, 05:58:19 PM
Did boards not announce their system of awarding grades before predicted grades were asked for.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 13, 2020, 09:38:29 PM
In the interests of full disclosure I make these comments as both a member of a board of governors and with plenty of relations who are either teachers or pupils this year. I have spoken to most of them as well as other governors.

The information provided about the statistical model is erratic. Some schools have been told that predicted grades were not factored in other than to check the accuracy of the model. I have been unable to confirm that.

The "anomalies" are plentiful. Examples I've seen included students with 11a* at GCSE, 4 at AS level and 4 in mocks now receiving 2A and 2B's with no explanation. Another pupil dropping three grades in one subject but going up 1 on another.  A departmental average dropping from 97% a*/a To 80%

The schools averages have fluctuated greatly too. I've spoken to teachers at schools whose results are down year on year despite the fact that comparisons between the GCSE and As results for this years Co-hort versus their equivalent predecessors would have predicted a double digit rise.

The statistical model doesn't seem to have allowed for teachers returning from illness, maternity leave etc.

Those for whom English is a second language seem to have been particularly hard hit. The fact they have a year or two more experience in the language will undoubtedly have had a major impact which doesn't seem to have been accounted for.

It doesn't seem to have Disproportionately impacted non grammar schools compared to grammar.

There's a real split between teachers over the efficacy of the system. Some though are concerned that if predicted grades were used instead then the teachers themselves may have been open to challenge.

The real problem I have with it is that In order to justify any individual's reductions you have to do so by reference to the model as a whole. For me that is unacceptable. When I got into uni it was on the strength of my grades not on the strength of the system that was in place. It's not fair now that a strong student is being denied that opportunity because of the outworking of afar from perfect statistical model. At the end of the day it's these individual kids who's lives are altered by this model.  If that system can't justify the discrepancies we are seeing (other than by arbitrarily suggesting that well as someone in a similar position to you had a bad exam so we assumed you might have this year) by reference to the individual then it is not fit for purpose.

I expect this to rumble on and I expect legal challenges. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 13, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
David, see my post earlier on this page for some of my thoughts from listening to the CCEA representative today.  I have a background in predictive model building and I am assuming they are using similar established techniques and best practices.

I will add that they would in fact probably have built a separate model for each subject, so that is why an individuals score could increase in one subject and decrease in another.

They deliberately would not have used the pupils school as an input as this would open up a whole other can of worms and accusations of bias and classism.  They couldn't have taken into account schools trends in previous years due to this.

They could not have used teacher maternity etc. data as they likely wouldn't have it, and even if they did they wouldn't have enough examples from previous years to get a statistically significant effect.

I too can forsee legal challenges and hopefully this will expose the inner workings of the models used.  Generally speaking these types of models are good at predicting things over a whole population rather than accuracy at an individual level.  I expect the models to be pretty weak with large margins of error.  They likely should not have been used but my guess is that a political decision was made hoping that this would cause the least disruption compared to England, Scotland and Wales.  They (the politicians) got that wrong and if any problems occur they can blame CCEA.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 13, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 13, 2020, 10:26:10 PM
David, see my post earlier on this page for some of my thoughts from listening to the CCEA representative today.  I have a background in predictive model building and I am assuming they are using similar established techniques and best practices.

I will add that they would in fact probably have built a separate model for each subject, so that is why an individuals score could increase in one subject and decrease in another.

They deliberately would not have used the pupils school as an input as this would open up a whole other can of worms and accusations of bias and classism.  They couldn't have taken into account schools trends in previous years due to this.

They could not have used teacher maternity etc. data as they likely wouldn't have it, and even if they did they wouldn't have enough examples from previous years to get a statistically significant effect.

I too can forsee legal challenges and hopefully this will expose the inner workings of the models used.  Generally speaking these types of models are good at predicting things over a whole population rather than accuracy at an individual level.  I expect the models to be pretty weak with large margins of error.  They likely should not have been used but my guess is that a political decision was made hoping that this would cause the least disruption compared to England, Scotland and Wales.  They (the politicians) got that wrong and if any problems occur they can blame CCEA.

I had read that and thanks for it. My concern is using what is in effect a least worst option to determine something as important as the futures for these kids. To me If the model can't explain why on an individual basis someone went from all A*s in their entire school career to 2A's and 2B's a drop of 6 grades then it's not fit for purpose. The system didn't get rejected from medicine at her first two choice universities but she did. An appeal likely won't change that even if it corrects the anamoly. To me the inherent unfairness in that is shocking.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 13, 2020, 11:09:30 PM
Without knowing the exact details of this case, I'll say that the drop from A* to A or B could be explained by either the teacher's predicted grade (unlikely though as the teacher would almost certainly predict am A*) or the class ranking.

If the model sees two individuals with the same AS result and same predicted grade but different rankings, then the one with the lower class ranking will get a lower predicted output.  This is quite cruel on the pupil because I would argue the class ranking assigned by the teacher is a poor quality variable.  Correlations between the input variables could cause them to have unreasonably small or large effects.

If the pupil has the best AS result, the best predicted grade and the best class ranking then it should be impossible for them to not get the best predicted output.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2020, 11:20:40 PM
But it has given multiple decisions which have been against strong previous results.

While results across the board has risen, the affects it will have on ones that haven't achieved what would have been predicted, could be telling.

I know of lads that have benefited from getting places in colleges that they'd never have got into based on their actual results.

The modelling has left some teachers I know to the point that if it ever happened again they wouldn't bother doing it, as they said it made no difference, and now parents will be aggrieved at how their kids teachers were not listened too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 08:59:00 AM
Those decisions then must have been made then on class rank, assuming AS result and teacher predicted grade are equal.

If there is an example of pupils having the same value for As result, teacher predicted grade and class rank in the same subject but got a different model prediction yesterday, then there is definitely something wrong with the model.

Also, if there was an accurate dataset with these variables, one could reverse engineer the algorithm to get the actual numbers for the model in a particular subject.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 13, 2020, 11:09:30 PM
Without knowing the exact details of this case, I'll say that the drop from A* to A or B could be explained by either the teacher's predicted grade (unlikely though as the teacher would almost certainly predict am A*) or the class ranking.

If the model sees two individuals with the same AS result and same predicted grade but different rankings, then the one with the lower class ranking will get a lower predicted output.  This is quite cruel on the pupil because I would argue the class ranking assigned by the teacher is a poor quality variable.  Correlations between the input variables could cause them to have unreasonably small or large effects.

If the pupil has the best AS result, the best predicted grade and the best class ranking then it should be impossible for them to not get the best predicted output.

That also assumes that the predicted grade/ranking was a variable. Some of the teachers I've spoken to (at multiple schools) have been told that it was not but was requested as a way of confirming the accuracy of the system. I haven't been able to verify that nor have I been able to confirm the opposite because of the lack of information.

In addition I'm aware of one teacher who's three year average for an a* of a is 97% and whose Lowest average figure over the last 11 years for a top 2 grade is 93%. They predicted 95% a and a* and were awarded 80%. The As and GCSE results for them did not support that. A model that can't allow for that teachers considerably above national average performance and which punishes 2 children as a result is for me not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
From what I understand from yesterday's interview teacher predicted grade is used as a predictor/input variable but we would need clarification on that.

The argument against using past school or teacher performance would be that it "punishes" pupils from weaker schools.  Really there is no perfect solution and it opens the wider debate as to what the purpose of the examination is and the whole idea of "fairness" in academic selection.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
From what I understand from yesterday's interview teacher predicted grade is used as a predictor/input variable but we would need clarification on that.

The argument against using past school or teacher performance would be that it "punishes" pupils from weaker schools.  Really there is no perfect solution and it opens the wider debate as to what the purpose of the examination is and the whole idea of "fairness" in academic selection.

If a child from a weaker school is performing really well that will reflect from the results he/she has produced over the years, GCSE/AS level. Then the A level result will be based on his previous performance and the predicted grade that the teacher has given. 

So why would the likes of the grades given by my wife to her students at AS and A level all match what CEEA gave?

Have they used a different model?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2020, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
From what I understand from yesterday's interview teacher predicted grade is used as a predictor/input variable but we would need clarification on that.

The argument against using past school or teacher performance would be that it "punishes" pupils from weaker schools.  Really there is no perfect solution and it opens the wider debate as to what the purpose of the examination is and the whole idea of "fairness" in academic selection.

Not an expert on modelling or education but no process was ever going to be perfect and there does seem to be considerable weight placed upon the class ranking and the schools historical data which obviously causes issues with outliers at both ends of the scale where a really bright class this year may see some of those still in the A bracket and a genuine A student lose out if there's x number of kids ahead in the class ranking and similarly if there's a weak class some may be bumped up due to the historical record of the school. In the world of mathematically modelling that's OK as everything averages out, but we're talking kids here who're a bit more than pieces of statistical data.

What now needs to happen is a robust appeals process and the fees mentioned really need to be dropped to allow all aggrieved students a fair crack of the whip.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Every pupil is scored using the same model. The three variables I've mentioned will be used for all predictions.  Maybe an example with completely made up numbers will help explain how it would work.

Pupil X got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 5th out of 20.
Pupil Y got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 6th out of 20.

Pupil X model score comes from the three components so let's say
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 5th = 0.3
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.3
= 0.8
They are in the 80th percentile of all pupils so get given an A by the model.

Pupil Y model score will be made up for the same components
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 6th = 0.25
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.25
= 0.75
They are in the 75th percentile of all pupils so get given a B by the model.

So in this case pupil X gets the same grade their teacher predicted but pupil Y gets lower.

Now the exact numbers and weights of each component of the models are unknown to us.  We could reverse engineer them given a large enough dataset with accurate inputs. If CCEA were to release the technical details of the models we could scrutinise more closely their methodology but I doubt that will be available any time soon.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 14, 2020, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 09:55:26 AM
From what I understand from yesterday's interview teacher predicted grade is used as a predictor/input variable but we would need clarification on that.

The argument against using past school or teacher performance would be that it "punishes" pupils from weaker schools.  Really there is no perfect solution and it opens the wider debate as to what the purpose of the examination is and the whole idea of "fairness" in academic selection.

Not an expert on modelling or education but no process was ever going to be perfect and there does seem to be considerable weight placed upon the class ranking and the schools historical data which obviously causes issues with outliers at both ends of the scale where a really bright class this year may see some of those still in the A bracket and a genuine A student lose out if there's x number of kids ahead in the class ranking and similarly if there's a weak class some may be bumped up due to the historical record of the school. In the world of mathematically modelling that's OK as everything averages out, but we're talking kids here who're a bit more than pieces of statistical data.

What now needs to happen is a robust appeals process and the fees mentioned really need to be dropped to allow all aggrieved students a fair crack of the whip.

The schools historical data has not been used in the model according to the CCEA rep yesterday.  I agree with the rest of your post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on August 14, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
No matter what model / system is used, somebody is going to feel (rightly or wrongly) aggrieved because the results are out of the hands of the students. I think that they should have went ahead with exams rather than using this type of system.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2020, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Every pupil is scored using the same model. The three variables I've mentioned will be used for all predictions.  Maybe an example with completely made up numbers will help explain how it would work.

Pupil X got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 5th out of 20.
Pupil Y got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 6th out of 20.

Pupil X model score comes from the three components so let's say
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 5th = 0.3
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.3
= 0.8
They are in the 80th percentile of all pupils so get given an A by the model.

Pupil Y model score will be made up for the same components
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 6th = 0.25
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.25
= 0.75
They are in the 75th percentile of all pupils so get given a B by the model.

So in this case pupil X gets the same grade their teacher predicted but pupil Y gets lower.

Now the exact numbers and weights of each component of the models are unknown to us.  We could reverse engineer them given a large enough dataset with accurate inputs. If CCEA were to release the technical details of the models we could scrutinise more closely their methodology but I doubt that will be available any time soon.  Hope this helps.

That makes sense on how the CAI aspect is worked out within the school itself, its the "standardising" part carried out by the CCEA which refers to using the last three years data per school or college for GCSE anyway but they kinda skirt over it for A levels..

https://ccea.org.uk/summer-awarding (https://ccea.org.uk/summer-awarding)


IMO they looked at how many Grades they'd awarded over the last three years and then modified the model to suit accordingly and if you look at the video on the link there almost certainly is a schools historical data being used in conjunction with the class rank.




Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 12:36:47 PM
Ah ok cheers I hadn't seen that page or video.  It's still unclear exactly how the schools past performance data is used but it's possibly similar to previous years standardisation process.

If like to know more about who built the models and the peer review process but it seems like they used UK wide data. I also learned they incorporate resit data into it somehow on addition to the variables we knew about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2020, 01:25:44 PM
So next week's GCSE results are going to a bigger mess up.
Using teachers predicted grades for quality assurance.
Not using them at all for the predictions.
This is just unbelievable

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 11:15:35 AM
Every pupil is scored using the same model. The three variables I've mentioned will be used for all predictions.  Maybe an example with completely made up numbers will help explain how it would work.

Pupil X got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 5th out of 20.
Pupil Y got a B at AS level, teacher predicted grade of A and class rank of 6th out of 20.

Pupil X model score comes from the three components so let's say
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 5th = 0.3
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.3
= 0.8
They are in the 80th percentile of all pupils so get given an A by the model.

Pupil Y model score will be made up for the same components
B at AS level = 0.2
Teacher predicted grade of A = 0.3
Class rank of 6th = 0.25
Total score = 0.2 + 0.3 + 0.25
= 0.75
They are in the 75th percentile of all pupils so get given a B by the model.

So in this case pupil X gets the same grade their teacher predicted but pupil Y gets lower.

Now the exact numbers and weights of each component of the models are unknown to us.  We could reverse engineer them given a large enough dataset with accurate inputs. If CCEA were to release the technical details of the models we could scrutinise more closely their methodology but I doubt that will be available any time soon.  Hope this helps.

See the problem I have with that is class ranking means nothing when compared to other schools. Take my year for example. I finished 3rd in the UK in computing science in my year. I finished second in my class. I would have ranked first at every other school in the UK except one. In a similar scenario now why would my 2nd place rank be worth considerably less than nearly everyone else's first place rank. Which if class ranking is factored in and previous school performance is not is exactly what will have happened.

Similarly my year had two of the top 10 pupils in Accounting and not for the first time. Why is that not relevant?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
Really specific scenarios like that are impossible to account for in modeling as there wouldn't be enough data to support it.  Again as I said in an earlier post, models do well at predictions across large populations but can be very bad at the individual level.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
Really specific scenarios like that are impossible to account for in modeling as there wouldn't be enough data to support it.  Again as I said in an earlier post, models do well at predictions across large populations but can be very bad at the individual level.

I accept I used unusual and somewhat niche examples to emphasise the point but I think the point still stands. Why in your scenario as I understand it (and again there's no confirmation of this from CCEA) is the class ranking of a school with a history of excellent results in a particular subject given the same weight as a school with a terrible history. As it would appear might Have happened here.

Another example from my school in any year we would have had about 20 maths students. The top 2 might have scrapped an A or more likely received a high B. A large part of the reason for that was I'll health of the teachers resulting in a less than ideal scenario of substitute cover for large parts of the year. I think in my year we had three. I know of plenty of schools who would have expected 12-15 A's from similar ability pupils including very strong A's. How is a system that awards me the same or more for my scrapped A fair when compared to what was awarded to the strong a in the other school that had a class ranking of 8th.

Some schools for whatever reason have a history of certain subjects outperforming other subjects. From what I understand that simply wasn't factored in even though in reality it would have had a significant impact on likely results. The consequence of that failure to factor that in is that some kids lives are dramatically altered.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
From Education committee today , Minister Weir and CEO of CEA- Justin....., both stood over the need to moderate and standardise the results to protect the credibility of the exams.
England, Scotland & Wales have abandoned that plan, so does this not doubly disadvantage those whose grades were moderated downwards.
They continually referred to anomalies being addressed by appeals in batches by schools , across subjects and on that point, they anticipate a X 5 increase in appeals. For A2 students these have to be addressed before 7th of Sept !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 14, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
From Education committee today , Minister Weir and CEO of CEA- Justin....., both stood over the need to moderate and standardise the results to protect the credibility of the exams.
England, Scotland & Wales have abandoned that plan, so does this not doubly disadvantage those whose grades were moderated downwards.
They continually referred to anomalies being addressed by appeals in batches by schools , across subjects and on that point, they anticipate a X 5 increase in appeals. For A2 students these have to be addressed before 7th of Sept !

Id imagine they they would need to be sorted out long before the 7th as college places would be going and less chance of being accepted, never mind finding digs/halls!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 14, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
From Education committee today , Minister Weir and CEO of CEA- Justin....., both stood over the need to moderate and standardise the results to protect the credibility of the exams.
England, Scotland & Wales have abandoned that plan, so does this not doubly disadvantage those whose grades were moderated downwards.
They continually referred to anomalies being addressed by appeals in batches by schools , across subjects and on that point, they anticipate a X 5 increase in appeals. For A2 students these have to be addressed before 7th of Sept !

Have England backtracked as well?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: clawaddy on August 14, 2020, 02:56:26 PM
I have taught GCSE and A level for many years. In my experience there were pupils who you could confidently predict their grade
- at both ends of the spectrum, but there were quite a few for whom it was difficult to predict. When the exams were cancelled in March I couldnt believe the promises that were made that grades could be awarded accurately and no pupil would be disadvantaged. It is a near impossible goal to achieve.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
Really specific scenarios like that are impossible to account for in modeling as there wouldn't be enough data to support it.  Again as I said in an earlier post, models do well at predictions across large populations but can be very bad at the individual level.

I accept I used unusual and somewhat niche examples to emphasise the point but I think the point still stands. Why in your scenario as I understand it (and again there's no confirmation of this from CCEA) is the class ranking of a school with a history of excellent results in a particular subject given the same weight as a school with a terrible history. As it would appear might Have happened here.

Another example from my school in any year we would have had about 20 maths students. The top 2 might have scrapped an A or more likely received a high B. A large part of the reason for that was I'll health of the teachers resulting in a less than ideal scenario of substitute cover for large parts of the year. I think in my year we had three. I know of plenty of schools who would have expected 12-15 A's from similar ability pupils including very strong A's. How is a system that awards me the same or more for my scrapped A fair when compared to what was awarded to the strong a in the other school that had a class ranking of 8th.

Some schools for whatever reason have a history of certain subjects outperforming other subjects. From what I understand that simply wasn't factored in even though in reality it would have had a significant impact on likely results. The consequence of that failure to factor that in is that some kids lives are dramatically altered.
Any time somebody gets upgraded for a particular reason, somebody else has to be downgraded. That's the nature of standardisation as proportions of grades have to balance out to what CCEA deem acceptable.

Using or not using particular variables could be argued against as being unfair for those they disadvantage.  Exams are there to reward pupils, yes. They are also there to differentiate between higher and lower performing pupils. CCEA are in the position of maintaining "fairness" while also allowing a means of differentiating between them.  The two goals are really at odds with one another.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2020, 04:38:36 PM
Here's a specific case for you .
Consortium arrangement between Grammar and Secondary schools in Northern Ireland.
A Level Biology.
Grammar pupils got what the teacher predicted .
Secondary pupils , all predicted by the same teacher , got downgraded by on average one grade.
Just beggars belief
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 14, 2020, 04:38:36 PM
Here's a specific case for you .
Consortium arrangement between Grammar and Secondary schools in Northern Ireland.
A Level Biology.
Grammar pupils got what the teacher predicted .
Secondary pupils , all predicted by the same teacher , got downgraded by on average one grade.
Just beggars belief
It could still be explained by the model though. Their AS grade might have been lower. Also the standardisation by school adjustment is probably at play here.

Not saying this is right or fair, but with the raw data we would know how the model scores them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
On BBC newsline they have just said that school past pert was not used in the A level models but was used in the GCSE ones.  The confusion continues
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
On BBC newsline they have just said that school past pert was not used in the A level models but was used in the GCSE ones.  The confusion continues

Yes that was my understanding too. That's why I feel that certain variables which would have made significant real world impacts have been ignored and kids futures have been altered. That can't be justified by saying yeah you got screwed but bask in the warm fuzzy feeling that we have ensured consistency of results between last years exams and this years nonsense when you missed the last three months of school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 14, 2020, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 14, 2020, 06:40:32 PM
On BBC newsline they have just said that school past pert was not used in the A level models but was used in the GCSE ones.  The confusion continues

Yes that was my understanding too. That's why I feel that certain variables which would have made significant real world impacts have been ignored and kids futures have been altered. That can't be justified by saying yeah you got screwed but bask in the warm fuzzy feeling that we have ensured consistency of results between last years exams and this years nonsense when you missed the last three months of school.

It contradicts what CCEA have on their own website though from johnnycools link.  Also some school principals have said they were sure it was used.  Some clarity would be nice
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:08:20 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 11, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
A Level grades are based in the main on AS grades with some uplift from expected AS repeats.

AS grades are based in the main on average GCSE grades.

GCSE grades are based in the main on 3 years' outcomes from same school, with each year weighted (2019 results given heavier weighting).

Statistical tests have shown a high correlation when 2019 results were tested. Though high could be close to moderate and isn't very high.

This was explained on here before the results came out.

No real confusion at all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Every model had its problems.

My solution was also riddled with problems but I'd have done this:

Heads of Depts would have presented their predictions to principals and senior management. They would take it away, look at it, look at all the variables within the school for that cohort and previous years and see if they could professionally, and with integrity, stand over them. Feedback to the HoDs individually and adjust if necessary. Boards spot-check random schools to confirm consistency.

This was close to what happened but it was watered down and the power was left in the hands of non-teaching civil servants to decide.

It's a bit like football club owners dictating who managers should buy.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
Here's one for you to debate, didn't know whether to put it in the WTF thread..

A Belfast integrated school teacher (life long friend) said she got all A.* for her students even though she'd predicted a handful of B's and rest A's... No A*s were predicted

Now it's BTech level but still equivalent to A level grades!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
Can you give Bs and As in BTech?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:46:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
Can you give Bs and As in BTech?

Apparently!
Quote from: hardstation on August 14, 2020, 07:39:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
Here's one for you to debate, didn't know whether to put it in the WTF thread..

A Belfast intergraded school teacher (life long friend) said she got all A.* for her students even though she'd predicted a handful of B's and rest A's... No A*s were predicted

Now it's BTech level but still equivalent to A level grades!
She is intergraded alright.

Integrated!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2020, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
Here's one for you to debate, didn't know whether to put it in the WTF thread..

A Belfast intergraded school teacher (life long friend) said she got all A.* for her students even though she'd predicted a handful of B's and rest A's... No A*s were predicted

Now it's BTech level but still equivalent to A level grades!

English boards kept results the same by and large for NI pupils
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 14, 2020, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
Here's one for you to debate, didn't know whether to put it in the WTF thread..

A Belfast intergraded school teacher (life long friend) said she got all A.* for her students even though she'd predicted a handful of B's and rest A's... No A*s were predicted

Now it's BTech level but still equivalent to A level grades!

English boards kept results the same by and large for NI pupils

I can understand getting same .. but they lifted results from the predicted grades the teacher handed over! Moving a B up to an A*?  I'm not surprised Weir has been saying grades are better this year!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:54:43 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 14, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Every model had its problems.

My solution was also riddled with problems but I'd have done this:

Heads of Depts would have presented their predictions to principals and senior management. They would take it away, look at it, look at all the variables within the school for that cohort and previous years and see if they could professionally, and with integrity, stand over them. Feedback to the HoDs individually and adjust if necessary. Boards spot-check random schools to confirm consistency.

This was close to what happened but it was watered down and the power was left in the hands of non-teaching civil servants to decide.

It's a bit like football club owners dictating who managers should buy.
Have the solution, have ye? You'd lick yerself to death, ye dick.

Sorry, meant suggestion. Also said it's riddled with problems. Apologies for suggesting it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
Can you give Bs and As in BTech?

No, you can't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2020, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
Can you give Bs and As in BTech?

No, you can't.

Well whatever way they grade it through their particular awarding body OCR I think, the grades come out at in that fashion. Irrespective of how's it done, some pupils were given lower predictions only for them to be marked higher when handed out yesterday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 15, 2020, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2020, 07:18:44 PM
Heads of Depts would have presented their predictions to principals and senior management. They would take it away, look at it, look at all the variables within the school for that cohort and previous years and see if they could professionally, and with integrity, stand over them. Feedback to the HoDs individually and adjust if necessary. Boards spot-check random schools to confirm consistency.

That'd never work.

They simply aren't experienced in or qualified to run statistical modelling of that degree. No slight on them - its just not something they'd ever really do beyond the most basic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 15, 2020, 09:54:43 PM
I don't know any pupils but maybe somebody can answer me this. Do pupils know what data their school submitted about them?

If the school won't tell a pupil that info, can a FOI request be made to reveal it, what with GDPR and all? Also could the student submit a request to CCEA and they might then possibly have to release more info about the model?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 15, 2020, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 15, 2020, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 15, 2020, 09:54:43 PM
I don't know any pupils but maybe somebody can answer me this. Do pupils know what data their school submitted about them?

If the school won't tell a pupil that info, can a FOI request be made to reveal it, what with GDPR and all? Also could the student submit a request to CCEA and they might then possibly have to release more info about the model?
They shouldn't, I don't think. Teachers (at least some) have been told that discussing predicted grades or rank order with pupils/parents could be centre malpractice.

Hmm various principals, teachers and pupils have talked openly to the press in the last couple of days with specific examples of predicted grades. St Cecilia's principal identified 3 pupils predicted grade and ranking.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 15, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
I think it was not allowed to be discussed before the results came out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2020, 10:15:42 PM
Not allowed before but all students were given their results by their teachers if they wanted..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2020, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 15, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
Warned off it til further direction was given this week.

My daughters school had a appeal system that you could email straight away and given your result they gave you.. a few kids have appealed already and from speaking to her, they were changed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on August 17, 2020, 07:39:16 AM
BBC News - GCSEs: Results will be 'solely based on teacher predictions'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53802428
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 17, 2020, 07:51:10 AM
Quote from: Estimator on August 17, 2020, 07:39:16 AM
BBC News - GCSEs: Results will be 'solely based on teacher predictions'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53802428

That's great news.
But the A Level mess has not been sorted.
Assembly will be recalled over it and it seems even Dup MLAs are supporting the recall.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
Quote from: Estimator on August 17, 2020, 07:39:16 AM
BBC News - GCSEs: Results will be 'solely based on teacher predictions'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53802428

Pressure mounting on Minister Weird and CEA 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Off the scale results this week then lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 17, 2020, 07:51:10 AM
Quote from: Estimator on August 17, 2020, 07:39:16 AM
BBC News - GCSEs: Results will be 'solely based on teacher predictions'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53802428

That's great news.
But the A Level mess has not been sorted.
Assembly will be recalled over it and it seems even Dup MLAs are supporting the recall.

As I said a while back, Weir and the DUP only worried about the pupils from middle class/upper class backgrounds.

Funny how he announced details on a pathway back to school on the same day as A Level results came out.

He's been worse than hopeless and now a major u-turn on GCSE results overnight.  What a farce?

A lot of pupils will be happy come Thursday but we'll see what happens when it's discussed up on the hill later this week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 08:45:22 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Off the scale results this week then lol

I would imagine they ran the model and it was very close to the the actual results from the teachers predictions, and they went 'f**k it' lets just give them what they want and if the results don't keep people happy it will the be the teachers fault!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Would teachers dare predict below a C for any pupil in Maths or English GCSE?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Would teachers dare predict below a C for any pupil in Maths or English GCSE?

Good question - a lot of pressure back on the local teachers now - could get a mouthful from parents in the local shop....or conversely, they could buy them a few packets of biscuits!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 17, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Would teachers dare predict below a C for any pupil in Maths or English GCSE?

Good question - a lot of pressure back on the local teachers now - could get a mouthful from parents in the local shop....or conversely, they could buy them a few packets of biscuits!!

As someone who was part of the first year GCSE's were run, is there still an element of course work in it over both 4th and 5th years?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 09:19:57 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Would teachers dare predict below a C for any pupil in Maths or English GCSE?

Good question - a lot of pressure back on the local teachers now - could get a mouthful from parents in the local shop....or conversely, they could buy them a few packets of biscuits!!

As someone who was part of the first year GCSE's were run, is there still an element of course work in it over both 4th and 5th years?

I think so - in certain subjects and the students have a rough idea of how they got on in that at the time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
GCSEs are harder, but for A-level, why did they not just extrapolate each individual pupil's results from KS3, GCSE and AS-levels (and any modules they'd been examined on already)?

That removes teachers, removes school bias etc, and bases it solely on the pupil's previous performance.



Regardless of what way they did it - they should have published the model months ago and allowed for review then. At which point everyone can say yay or nay and suggest improvements. A cloak and dagger approach was never going to go down well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 17, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 17, 2020, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on August 17, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
Would teachers dare predict below a C for any pupil in Maths or English GCSE?

Good question - a lot of pressure back on the local teachers now - could get a mouthful from parents in the local shop....or conversely, they could buy them a few packets of biscuits!!

As someone who was part of the first year GCSE's were run, is there still an element of course work in it over both 4th and 5th years?

I was the first year of GCSE's also, would not have made any difference to my results !!!

I think my daughter has a B from her history course work and modules they have done last year, and was expecting to get an A or A* considering she'd already attained a B just on her previous..

Like I said the teachers are now under spot light now..

As for giving someone no less than a C in English, is there certain levels that teachers put students into that they can only achieve certain grades? Where in that a C grade would be a top grade? I'm not sure, been away from school that long :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2020, 10:25:54 AM
In answer to your last question there was something like that when I was at school. So you could sit a paper where the best you could get was a C but I suspect it must have been way easier / more limited etc in terms of questions. Like you it's been a long time since I was in school though... That was GCSE only.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
GCSEs are harder, but for A-level, why did they not just extrapolate each individual pupil's results from KS3, GCSE and AS-levels (and any modules they'd been examined on already)?

That removes teachers, removes school bias etc, and bases it solely on the pupil's previous performance.



Regardless of what way they did it - they should have published the model months ago and allowed for review then. At which point everyone can say yay or nay and suggest improvements. A cloak and dagger approach was never going to go down well.
I believe Justin Edwards mentioned either they or the people building the modela didn't have KS3 data.

AS level result was used in the A level model.  I'm not sure why GCSE wasn't... Maybe the data suggested not a strong enough correlation.  Also, it would get criticized by people saying "But GCSE was so long ago.  I've improved so much since then.  It's not fair that GCSE performance should affect my A level result etc. etc." .  I've said before that any time you use a variable to differentiate between people, it will move some up and some down. The people who get moved down will always claim it's unfair.

I agree that the model results should have been published before the decision to use them was made. The fear is that the results would be fairly complicated (remember it's a different model for each subject) containing coefficients for each of the input variables.  The concepts and processes behind predictive model building are quite complicated and would not be understood by the vast majority of the public.  They assure us the models were internally validated robustly and peer reviewed, for what that's worth.  Much harsh criticism would arise from the public that they could never have been used.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 17, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
GCSEs are harder, but for A-level, why did they not just extrapolate each individual pupil's results from KS3, GCSE and AS-levels (and any modules they'd been examined on already)?

That removes teachers, removes school bias etc, and bases it solely on the pupil's previous performance.



Regardless of what way they did it - they should have published the model months ago and allowed for review then. At which point everyone can say yay or nay and suggest improvements. A cloak and dagger approach was never going to go down well.
I believe Justin Edwards mentioned either they or the people building the modela didn't have KS3 data.

AS level result was used in the A level model.  I'm not sure why GCSE wasn't... Maybe the data suggested not a strong enough correlation.  Also, it would get criticized by people saying "But GCSE was so long ago.  I've improved so much since then.  It's not fair that GCSE performance should affect my A level result etc. etc." .  I've said before that any time you use a variable to differentiate between people, it will move some up and some down. The people who get moved down will always claim it's unfair.

I agree that the model results should have been published before the decision to use them was made. The fear is that the results would be fairly complicated (remember it's a different model for each subject) containing coefficients for each of the input variables.  The concepts and processes behind predictive model building are quite complicated and would not be understood by the vast majority of the public.  They assure us the models were internally validated robustly and peer reviewed, for what that's worth.  Much harsh criticism would arise from the public that they could never have been used.

Would this explain perhaps why it appears Chemistry grades seem to be particularly downgraded? My daughter CAG for A/S chemistry was an A and she was awarded a B, a lot of her classmates were given an E. She got A*A* in double award science and was ranked no 1 in her class. She was awarded an A's in maths and physics, coincidentally she is doing Physics in the Royal School Armagh as part of a consortium arrangement. She is doing a 4th A-Level in Design & Technology but no grades were awarded as this year was all project/coursework. We have appealed the grade awarded, when we were in the school last week the teacher was telling us about some horror stories from other schools including one where a student was predicated an A and was given a U! How can you possibly justify that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2020, 01:27:40 PM
A-Level grades secret formula revealed as agony continues
A-Level grades secret formula revealed as agony continues

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/level-grades-secret-formula-revealed-18779608#ICID=Android_BelfastLiveNewsApp_AppShare

Was listening to the news and one head was saying that a private school had stated on social media that their top grades had increased by 40%
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Wow, big if true.  Not sure I'd trust Belfast Live though until this is backed by another source.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2020, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
Wow, big if true.  Not sure I'd trust Belfast Live though until this is backed by another source.
nor I but thought it's worth posting as nothing else out there that I have seen that even tries to explain it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on August 17, 2020, 02:36:18 PM
ANOTHER U turn by the Government...

It's the right thing to do but why can't they arrive at these decisions in the first place??!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
I see Wales are now to regrade to predicted grades making it even more unfair on kids here if things don't change and they have to compete through clearance. Big pressure on now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2020, 03:07:51 PM
So, when/if they go to predicted grades what happens to pupils who diddnt get into university due to lower grades? Will there be more places made available? You just can't throw others out of a class cus others have fooked up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
I see Wales are now to regrade to predicted grades making it even more unfair on kids here if things don't change and they have to compete through clearance. Big pressure on now

Is that with A level results also?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 03:14:06 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 17, 2020, 03:07:51 PM
So, when/if they go to predicted grades what happens to pupils who diddnt get into university due to lower grades? Will there be more places made available? You just can't throw others out of a class cus others have fooked up.

They wont get them, have already asked Queens about this the other day and admissions stated that anyone that got an unconditional offer they would keep their spot regardless of the grades they ended up with! So basically, tough
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
I see Wales are now to regrade to predicted grades making it even more unfair on kids here if things don't change and they have to compete through clearance. Big pressure on now

Is that with A level results also?

Yes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 17, 2020, 02:36:18 PM
ANOTHER U turn by the Government...

It's the right thing to do but why can't they arrive at these decisions in the first place??!!

My guess:

No matter what system was implemented there was going to be a public outcry; disgusted parents, distraught children, horror stories, mental health problems with teenagers, etc.

This is because there is no combination of human observation and machine computations  can predict with any degree of certainty how a teenager will react to extended study and the pressure of exams.

The government know this. And they also know that logistically and economically, there  isn't the time to re-institute exams for this cohort.

So they pulled a classic stroke.

First send out results using a system that gets people's backs up extraordinarily. Wait for the inevitable backlash. Then, regrade everyone using the least unfair method (predicted grades). Everyone will then understand that the less unfair system (while still full of holes) isn't as evil as the alternatives. And the vast majority of people can and will move onto the next step, without further complaint.

There will be legal wrangling in a small minority of cases for years, but the wheels of society can continue to turn.

It's a clever way to solve the unsolvable.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
I think you give far too much credit to the Government there and the collateral damage such a system has caused is unconscionable so I hope you are wrong.

I see England have now followed Wales and Scotland's leads. Surely No position is now untenable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
I think you give far too much credit to the Government there and the collateral damage such a system has caused is unconscionable so I hope you are wrong.

I see England have now followed Wales and Scotland's leads. Surely No position is now untenable.

Maybe I am David. But there was was always going to be collateral damage once subjectivity was allowed to play a part in assessment.

Had they went predicted grades first, then social media and gutter journalism would have been a witch hunt against teachers. So the govt would have had to bear the brunt of both pupils and teachers being collateral damage.

The teacher witch hunt will still happen now, but on a much lesser scale. The algorithm will remain the villain of the piece. Most people will now just get on with it. It's the smart play.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:44:49 PM
Associated press reporting Weir has u turned.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 17, 2020, 03:32:35 PM
I think you give far too much credit to the Government there and the collateral damage such a system has caused is unconscionable so I hope you are wrong.

I see England have now followed Wales and Scotland's leads. Surely No position is now untenable.

Maybe I am David. But there was was always going to be collateral damage once subjectivity was allowed to play a part in assessment.

Had they went predicted grades first, then social media and gutter journalism would have been a witch hunt against teachers. So the govt would have had to bear the brunt of both pupils and teachers being collateral damage.

The teacher witch hunt will still happen now, but on a much lesser scale. The algorithm will remain the villain of the piece. Most people will now just get on with it. It's the smart play.

I get the point you are making and it was a very real concern for a number of the teachers I've spoken to recently. I just really hope they didn't massively impact kids lives in order to climb down after the damage was done.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
In a lock of years, ask the pilot when he did his A Levels.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 17, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Weir should now resign
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 17, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 17, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
In a lock of years, ask the pilot when he did his A Levels.

A levels aside your pilot will still have pass all the same flying tests irrespective of what year they sat A levels.

The Universities it seems are all having emergency meetings to see what their next steps are.

This is going to be some clusterfxxk and IF Universities are given more leeway in increasing their intakes it will be interesting to see how many students drop out early on in their courses.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2020, 05:05:24 PM
Aye, I was only joking like.

Excellent points though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 17, 2020, 05:19:41 PM
First day back today. Can we get a big round of applause on Thursday nights please! #heroes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2020, 05:28:49 PM
All that Fortnite gone to waste now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2020, 05:38:21 PM
Saving face and dumbing down the slaughtering,he would've faced in the Assembly tomorrow. He just needs to lock the schools down again, for the full house !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
GCSEs are harder, but for A-level, why did they not just extrapolate each individual pupil's results from KS3, GCSE and AS-levels (and any modules they'd been examined on already)?

That removes teachers, removes school bias etc, and bases it solely on the pupil's previous performance.



Regardless of what way they did it - they should have published the model months ago and allowed for review then. At which point everyone can say yay or nay and suggest improvements. A cloak and dagger approach was never going to go down well.
I believe Justin Edwards mentioned either they or the people building the modela didn't have KS3 data.

What the fuk.

Seriously. What the fuk did they think they were doing? They are the f**king education authorities. How do they not have the exam results data?


I'm not entirely against dismissal of all civil servants involved in this farce. Same as RHI. If they can be sacked by proximity to such a large fuckup, then perhaps in future a bit more effort would be taken.

How they [couldn't be bothered/figure out a means of] getting hold of KS3 results in the space of 4-5 months is utterly astounding.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 17, 2020, 08:51:30 PM
What KS3 results?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 09:04:33 PM
Been a while since they were about, my wife use to mark those for an extra few shackles
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 17, 2020, 09:18:16 PM
Are KS3 CCEA?  The models were built on UK wide data, maybe that's the problem?  There are many valid reasons why they could not get or use the data.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2020, 09:46:58 PM
End of Key Stage 1,2 and 3 moderated assessments were the casualties of the teaching unions'  industrial action of the past 5 years.
They will be re instated at some stage , this school year , but who knows !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 17, 2020, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 17, 2020, 09:46:58 PM
End of Key Stage 1,2 and 3 moderated assessments were the casualties of the teaching unions'  industrial action of the past 5 years.
They will be re instated at some stage , this school year , but who knows !

Ah - that I didn't know.

I thought that they'd continue with KS3 assessments as they were part of basic curriculum and would fall within basic part of job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Keyser soze on August 18, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
Is it just my suspicious mind that makes me suspect that a similar algorithm has always been in place to advantage certain schools and is only now seeing the light because of the lockdown?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on August 18, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 18, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
Is it just my suspicious mind that makes me suspect that a similar algorithm has always been in place to advantage certain schools and is only now seeing the light because of the lockdown?

There's something afoot alright.

There seems to be some form of "standardisation" going on all the time much akin to the methodology of the old 11 plus. It didn't matter how smart you were but if there were 15% of kids smarter than you you didn't get an A.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 18, 2020, 01:37:29 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 18, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
Is it just my suspicious mind that makes me suspect that a similar algorithm has always been in place to advantage certain schools and is only now seeing the light because of the lockdown?

Yes, it is just your suspicious mind.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on August 18, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
Only £3million from a pot of £50million for integrated education spent. Rest being returned/kept by the treasury. Another major failure by the minister and dept.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2017/02/06/news/almost-all-of-50-million-pot-for-shared-education-returned-to-treasury-920565/content.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on August 18, 2020, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 18, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
Only £3million from a pot of £50million for integrated education spent. Rest being returned/kept by the treasury. Another major failure by the minister and dept.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2017/02/06/news/almost-all-of-50-million-pot-for-shared-education-returned-to-treasury-920565/content.html

How can that be a failure on part of the minister? He has plenty of failings in recent times, but he can't force people who don't want inegrated education to do so.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 18, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 09:04:33 PM
Been a while since they were about, my wife use to mark those for an extra few shackles

Interesting method of payment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 18, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2020, 09:04:33 PM
Been a while since they were about, my wife use to mark those for an extra few shackles

Interesting method of payment.

Predictive text! 'Sheckles' Shekels
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 18, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
Remember years ago in the 11 plus you had to put down whether you were a boy or a girl and were marked accordingly then one year in the late eighties they abolished it and remarked everyone?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 18, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
I got that one wrong.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 18, 2020, 07:45:13 PM
Roll on mid term.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 26, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
It's tiring, isn't it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 26, 2020, 10:23:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 26, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
It's tiring, isn't it?
Heard that one this evening too! Even her Ma had to tell her she's not performing brain surgery.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 26, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
It's definitely annoying! All these restrictions are making it much harder to teach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 26, 2020, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
It's definitely annoying! All these restrictions are making it much harder to teach.
You wearing a visor? Wouldn't fancy it all day myself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 27, 2020, 06:45:15 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 26, 2020, 10:33:48 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
It's definitely annoying! All these restrictions are making it much harder to teach.
You wearing a visor? Wouldn't fancy it all day myself.

No and I won't be. The most annoying thing is having the children spaced out around the room. Makes it very difficult for practical learning activities. I have a few children who are very anxious about the whole thing and have become paranoid about mixing with other children. Their nerves are shot. One child with autism in my class shouts out about social distancing every now and then, just to remind everyone.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on September 17, 2020, 05:10:18 PM
Two cases before the courts in Dublin now. The exams should have been sat during the summer instead of this messing
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on September 17, 2020, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 17, 2020, 05:10:18 PM
Two cases before the courts in Dublin now. The exams should have been sat during the summer instead of this messing

Absolutely, they should have produced a formula early on, with an average similar to previous years, then have exams in August if anyone wasn't happy. Only a fraction of students would have actually sat the exam, since many would get the grade they expected and needed. This reduced number could have managed from a Covid perspective and the smaller number of exams could be have graded in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on September 17, 2020, 11:05:21 PM
It's a long enough aul term all the same!
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Post by: ONeill on September 21, 2020, 07:12:55 PM
Aye I'm rightly tired.
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Post by: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2020, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 09:18:36 PM
The whole thing is a write off. I can't see exams this year again. With a bit of foresight, a more robust & consistent system could be established though.

At training day the wife said they believe no exams will be carried out! Surely now is the time to review things as you say and get it right!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 12:24:03 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
They can have a writing, reading and listening test. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, GCSE languages didn't have an "end of year" speaking test for a rake of years. It was Controlled Assessment. Still the same for GCSE Gaeilge.

However, I agree with your sentiment, I think. Fundamentally, people learn a language to speak it so ditching that element is baffling IMO. Mind you, it could well be that the CCEA consultation reflected that language teachers asked for abandoning the speaking element.
Cac madaidh - teachers simply asked for a reduction of content. Ditching the Speaking element suits CCEA, in all languages, as it saves them much more money.  Bun agus barr an scéil.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 10, 2020, 09:44:05 AM
I can't believe you used the word robust earlier.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2020, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
They can have a writing, reading and listening test. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, GCSE languages didn't have an "end of year" speaking test for a rake of years. It was Controlled Assessment. Still the same for GCSE Gaeilge.

However, I agree with your sentiment, I think. Fundamentally, people learn a language to speak it so ditching that element is baffling IMO. Mind you, it could well be that the CCEA consultation reflected that language teachers asked for abandoning the speaking element.
How many people who do GCSE French at school actually go on to use it in any meaningful way? Like lots of exams it is a means to an end.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 10:32:03 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 07:41:30 AM
Quote from: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 12:24:03 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
They can have a writing, reading and listening test. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, GCSE languages didn't have an "end of year" speaking test for a rake of years. It was Controlled Assessment. Still the same for GCSE Gaeilge.

However, I agree with your sentiment, I think. Fundamentally, people learn a language to speak it so ditching that element is baffling IMO. Mind you, it could well be that the CCEA consultation reflected that language teachers asked for abandoning the speaking element.
Cac madaidh - teachers simply asked for a reduction of content. Ditching the Speaking element suits CCEA, in all languages, as it saves them much more money.  Bun agus barr an scéil.
You can't be sure that all teachers asked for the same thing. (Anecdotal bs but..) I know a French teacher who was hoping for the removal of the speaking unit of the GCSE. Her point was that the preparation for it is very time consuming and having missed so much time and opportunity to practice it (it's difficult through Google Classroom) it was the obvious omission for her. I do understand her point to be fair.
In relation to CCEA's costs, the GCSE speaking exam is conducted by the school language teacher, at zero cost to CCEA.
I would get your point at A Level.
Congrats on knowing a French teacher.  Afraid you are totally out of touch re GCSE - all Speaking exams are marked by CCEA, who employ examiners for this at a great cost.  Zero cost, mo thóin.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 10, 2020, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 18, 2020, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: Estimator on August 18, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
Only £3million from a pot of £50million for integrated education spent. Rest being returned/kept by the treasury. Another major failure by the minister and dept.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/2017/02/06/news/almost-all-of-50-million-pot-for-shared-education-returned-to-treasury-920565/content.html

How can that be a failure on part of the minister? He has plenty of failings in recent times, but he can't force people who don't want inegrated education to do so.

There is nothing stopping him from building new schools or facilities with that budget is there?

There are enough integrated schools already around with various needs that the £50m could be committed in a morning if the heads were asked what they would like.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
They employ people to mark the other 3 units also. So ditching the speaking unit rather than one of the other 3 is not a saving. Ie they could ditch the written paper and save the same amount of money. Yet, they didn't - they chose to ditch the speaking.

They may have chosen to ditch a unit to save money. I am wondering why it is the speaking which for me is the most important part of learning a language. Perhaps more people in the consultation asked for the speaking to be ditched rather than the other units. I am only guessing of course.
At least you admit that your assertion of "zero cost for Speaking to CCEA" is incorrect - so yes, you are still guessing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
I thought when you said that they ditched the speaking to save money, you were saying that it is more expensive to have it than the other exams. Like it is at A Level - an examiner has to come out. I was merely saying that at GCSE the teacher does it at zero cost to CCEA. It still needs to be marked like every other exam, yes.
Éist le fuaim na habhann agus gheobhaidh tú breac.  I do bhríste, déarfainn.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on October 10, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
They can have a writing, reading and listening test. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, GCSE languages didn't have an "end of year" speaking test for a rake of years. It was Controlled Assessment. Still the same for GCSE Gaeilge.

However, I agree with your sentiment, I think. Fundamentally, people learn a language to speak it so ditching that element is baffling IMO. Mind you, it could well be that the CCEA consultation reflected that language teachers asked for abandoning the speaking element.

Crazy stuff - doing a language for 5, 6 or 7 years and then no speaking test at the end of it. Like doing maths and doing no sums!!

I'm not so sure how many teachers support this new model. I'd say very few. In fairness, there was handy marks dished out for doing well in speaking exam, and rightly so - it's a language.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 10, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
The decision to plough ahead with GCSE Maths is unbelievable.
How can pupils miss 4 months of teaching and still be expected to cover the exact same content ?

The decision that AS grades won't be used to calculate A Level grades is also outrageous.
Basically Peter does not want to hear about last year and he's hoping that this works out again.
This approach worked so well before with the grades in the summer.
He just does not listen to the professionals .
He's incompetent and should be sacked
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on October 10, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 10, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
The decision to plough ahead with GCSE Maths is unbelievable.
How can pupils miss 4 months of teaching and still be expected to cover the exact same content ?

The decision that AS grades won't be used to calculate A Level grades is also outrageous.
Basically Peter does not want to hear about last year and he's hoping that this works out again.
This approach worked so well before with the grades in the summer.
He just does not listen to the professionals .
He's incompetent and should be sacked

Good chance it'll end up in another farce again next summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
What shite are you talking now?
Thought you were in to language?  Ties in with your view from a bridge in Anagaire.  Léim.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: illdecide on October 10, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
What shite are you talking now?

:) got a laugh HS anyway
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 10, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
What shite are you talking now?

:) got a laugh HS anyway
If he could only 'understand' who the laugh is on! 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
What shite are you talking now?
Thought you were in to language?  Ties in with your view from a bridge in Anagaire.  Léim.
Telling me to jump off a bridge? Really? Is there something wrong with you?
The tone of your posts on this thread is remarkably odd although I suspect you have at least some awareness of that considering you choose to hide the nastier parts behind the Irish language.

You're an adult in an online discussion about changes to GCSEs ffs. I imagine you can do that without personally attacking people and suggesting that they should jump off a bridge. Get a grip of yourself.
Léim = I read.  Are your paranoid or something?!  Wise up and no need to use offensice language - "ffs".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on October 10, 2020, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 10, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
Yeah, dead on. I'd be embarrassed about it too.
You did walk straight into but!  Never too late to learn more Irish - not sure that CCEA can help though! 

Lighten up lad, no shame that you didn't know the inner workings of CCEA - they leave a lot of people bewildered!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 12, 2020, 07:37:14 PM
Teachers in schools that have closed for a lock of days for cleaning should be made to do community stuff like unflooding roads or maintaining overgrown hedges on junctions near main roads.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 13, 2020, 06:03:58 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 12, 2020, 07:37:14 PM
Teachers in schools that have closed for a lock of days for cleaning should be made to do community stuff like unflooding roads or maintaining overgrown hedges on junctions near main roads.

It's a bloody disgrace so it is
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 13, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
If the schools stay open do you reckon we could get a wee round of applause on a Thursday night? The true heroes of 2020.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 13, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
If the schools stay open do you reckon we could get a wee round of applause on a Thursday night? The true heroes of 2020.

I just pat the wife's bum when she comes in. It better than that auld clapping nonsense
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 13, 2020, 01:35:07 PM
Fcuk sake MR. Eating my lunch here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on October 13, 2020, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 10, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 09, 2020, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 09, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 09, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Peter Weir .
Just great leadership.
The bury your head in the sand approach again.

How can they do a language and not have any oral test at the end of the year?
They can have a writing, reading and listening test. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, GCSE languages didn't have an "end of year" speaking test for a rake of years. It was Controlled Assessment. Still the same for GCSE Gaeilge.

However, I agree with your sentiment, I think. Fundamentally, people learn a language to speak it so ditching that element is baffling IMO. Mind you, it could well be that the CCEA consultation reflected that language teachers asked for abandoning the speaking element.

Crazy stuff - doing a language for 5, 6 or 7 years and then no speaking test at the end of it. Like doing maths and doing no sums!!

I'm not so sure how many teachers support this new model. I'd say very few. In fairness, there was handy marks dished out for doing well in speaking exam, and rightly so - it's a language.

This what happens when you put people in charge of industries when they have zero experience in that industry. Education, health, the list goes on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 13, 2020, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 12, 2020, 07:37:14 PM
Teachers in schools that have closed for a lock of days for cleaning should be made to do community stuff like unflooding roads or maintaining overgrown hedges on junctions near main roads.

The big question is what are the Pe ones at this weather?
No matches .  No trips away.
Been in school for over 5 weeks and no break.
Must be kicking in at this stage ....
What about Ski 2021?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Can somebody please just sack Peter Weir ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Can somebody please just sack Peter Weir ?

Tells schools not to be doing any remote learning......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Can somebody please just sack Peter Weir ?

Tells schools not to be doing any remote learning......

After telling schools for the past 2 months to be ready to go to online learning .......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 14, 2020, 08:54:39 PM
Didn't even get doing scary stories or nahin.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Can somebody please just sack Peter Weir ?

Tells schools not to be doing any remote learning......

After telling schools for the past 2 months to be ready to go to online learning .......
What's the reasoning behind that? Teachers & pupils surprised by that one.

If teachers do remote learning it can count as teaching days.  He has told teachers to use the days as exceptional closures so therefore the teaching days which were in the original schools year plan now have to be made up later in the year ....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 14, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 14, 2020, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Can somebody please just sack Peter Weir ?

Tells schools not to be doing any remote learning......

After telling schools for the past 2 months to be ready to go to online learning .......
What's the reasoning behind that? Teachers & pupils surprised by that one.

If teachers do remote learning it can count as teaching days.  He has told teachers to use the days as exceptional closures so therefore the teaching days which were in the original schools year plan now have to be made up later in the year ....

He can and he can't .
Some schools have all ready had to use exceptional closures as the schools have had to close for deep cleans for a few days .
He may try and blackmail teachers into pushing exams back into early July.

Honestly , and I hope I am wrong here, I reckon we won't be back in 2 weeks ....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 14, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
I'll be back fcuk yiz. She already started on me about guttering, fencing and the like as soon as I came home. This isn't the weather for that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on October 14, 2020, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 14, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
I'll be back fcuk yiz. She already started on me about guttering, fencing and the like as soon as I came home. This isn't the weather for that.

Just do what most if us do.
Make a complete balls of it and you will never be asked again
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on October 15, 2020, 08:14:38 AM
Still in school on the mainland. Talk of us in Liverpool closing but nothing 💯
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 16, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Not gonna take a shower for 5 days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on October 16, 2020, 08:18:15 PM
Have an online lesson on Wednesday.

If one of your students was a child of an ETI inspector and you were doing a remote learning lesson, would you talk proper and all?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on October 27, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Are we back to school on Monday then? That wee extra week aff has fixed everything.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 27, 2020, 11:13:17 AM
Are we back to school on Monday then? That wee extra week aff has fixed everything.

Funny no word from her, I'm guessing you'll be back, but cases as they are would be madness to bring all that back again! and if the numbers go up further in the next two weeks we can leave it at the door of the education minister
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 12:01:48 PM
For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 12:01:48 PM
For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 12:01:48 PM
For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.

Do you reckon they'll do the same at Christmas i.e. finish up a week earlier?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 12:47:12 PM
I would have thought not - it appears to me that they have decided 2 weeks in the magic number, as such the end of term holiday should suffice. I would have thought if we are in a similar position by next mid term they would look at the extra week but by then it could hardly be recovered.

From a secondary teacher's experience, does blended learning work? Does it negatively affect kids from (for want of a better term) a lower socio economic background to a greater degree?

Has anything been done to facilitate future blended learning since returning to school full time?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2020, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 27, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 27, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:28:57 AM
They said 2 weeks off school then said it'd take two weeks to see any benefit so how do you reassess at the end of two weeks...

If you're back then the time off was likely a waste of time. They'd need to be telling people soon though.

In relation to the north I see nothing further to the following press release;

https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions (https://www.education-ni.gov.uk/news/statement-education-minister-peter-weir-covid-19-restrictions)

Out of interest for those advocating against returning to school, what would that look like? Would you propose a blended learning set up - is that achievable? Assume if you are to propose such a thing there would still need to be some face to face time? Would such a set up in your opinion or experience lead to a 'class divide' as has been mentioned by commentators previously?

Is there any amount of acceptable risk, and mitigation against same? Or is the consensus that zero risk should be accepted?

With the ICU beds at a minimum then the risks are very high at the moment, some are advocating for acceptable deaths/risks but 2 weeks when the rest of the place is closed for 4 weeks seems to be a bit daft

I assume the intent was that as it is not an extra week holiday but is to be made up throughout the year (I think?) that any more than an extra week is unachievable.

I am not advocating anything, only attempting to understand what might that acceptable risk be, if Covid is going to remain for the remainder of the school year what should be done? Surely it is not conceivable that schools be shut for that time therefore what is the alternative? A 'firebreak' each term?

Quote from: hardstation on October 27, 2020, 12:01:48 PM
For me, until there is something put in place that allows for social distancing in schools, we are kidding ourselves that we can get a handle on Covid.
On top of that, we will continue to have pupils & teachers out of school in their droves on a conveyor belt of isolation. A natural blended learning manifests itself then.

It appears to me that this is the current position, try and muddle through as best we can.

3 days were assigned as ' exceptional ' closures by DENI, so these days do not need to be recovered .
2 days were taken from ' optional closure ' days so will be re instated from closures planned later in the year.

Secondary schools should go to blended learning due to the wide  catchment areas and number of pupils. Primary schools seem to be less affected by spikes , +ve cases and isolation incidents.

Do you reckon they'll do the same at Christmas i.e. finish up a week earlier?
The way Christmas day falls this year , most schools will have a 15/ 16 day break , Sat 19th Dec to Sunday 3rd Jan.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2020, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

We're full contact for PE over here in group of thirty and no distancing between ourselves in classroom. On the yard some years stay in separate parts while other years don't give a f**k and they are mingling
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on November 02, 2020, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..
Teachers are the new front line and have been since August/September - with no real effective protection.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on November 02, 2020, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

Is there any evidence of it spreading in schools? As opposed to community spread cases bringing it into the schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 02, 2020, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: restorepride on November 02, 2020, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..
Teachers are the new front line and have been since August/September - with no real effective protection.

Aye but what about all the holidays they get. Bluffers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on November 03, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

Maybe some of 'they' want an education for all children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on November 03, 2020, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

It is all complete horseshite - only 25 at a funeral, including children, unless you are in the RA, but mass on a Sunday is packed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on November 03, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

That PE thing is absolute nuts, wonder did no one think before they sent that out yesterday morning...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on November 03, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 03, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

That PE thing is absolute nuts, wonder did no one think before they sent that out yesterday morning...

A complete shit show from the clowns on the hill, we are stuck by the the latest legislation- as no one in dept of education or health - thought it would impact on schools by providing an exemption for schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on November 04, 2020, 07:59:36 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 03, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 02, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 02, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
So now ( in the North ) we can't take anymore than 15 pupils outside for non contact Pe but the same pupils, who will be in the same bubble, can go outside for break and lunch in numbers of more than 15 ?
Schools in the North received this gem this morning at 9.10.
2 weeks off and not a word and then they land this on a Monday morning .
They are just making this up as they go along.

And they tell us we are back in school cos there's little evidence of the virus spreading in school..

According to them it's not safe to play outside together for 30minutes but safe to sit together in close contact for the remainder of the day

They know fine well that that virus can spread in schools but they want parents able to go to their work..

Maybe some of 'they' want an education for all children.

Of course they do , don't we all ..but is it safe?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:02:48 PM
One week closer to a well-deserved Christmas break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 06, 2020, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:02:48 PM
One week closer to a well-deserved Christmas break.

We can maybe wrap her up a bit earlier the year. Take the month out of it sure. #heroes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
I reckon Weir will give us 2 weeks off before Christmas to isolate so we're in fine fettle for the big day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Verticalball on November 06, 2020, 11:55:08 PM
Long time since I've posted but have to say as a teacher, I've enjoyed the craic with the students in school this week. Seems that the only way is 7/8 week blocks at a time followed by 2 weeks of a lockdown for the foreseeable future, very doable. Roll on Christmas!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 18, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
I reckon Weir will give us 2 weeks off before Christmas to isolate so we're in fine fettle for the big day.

Maybe not. He looks determined to keep them open. He also badly needs a hair cut, especially in this wind.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on November 18, 2020, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 18, 2020, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 06, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
I reckon Weir will give us 2 weeks off before Christmas to isolate so we're in fine fettle for the big day.

Maybe not. He looks determined to keep them open. He also badly needs a hair cut, especially in this wind.

Some of these days he'll appear with a  short, back and sandpaper....won't be before Friday though ,,,,
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 19, 2020, 08:25:54 PM
No early closure for schools then??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 19, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 19, 2020, 08:25:54 PM
No early closure for schools then??

Good news for the wains
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 19, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
Are teachers still c***ts at the minute or are we ok now? Got some abuse off plenty of people during lockdown.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 19, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 19, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
Just the 2 years.

A year for each tit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on November 20, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 19, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
Are teachers still c***ts at the minute or are we ok now? Got some abuse off plenty of people during lockdown.

Yer not c***ts yer just generally oblivious to whats happening in the rest of society and ye think ye have a job thats tougher than everyone else when you dont.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 20, 2020, 12:31:06 PM
Wee extended Christmas break seems to be on the cards......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2020, 05:04:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 19, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
Are teachers still c***ts at the minute or are we ok now? Got some abuse off plenty of people during lockdown.

I've yet to meet a teacher who wasn't a c**t.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 02, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
This vaccine talk is bad news. Might have to work right up to the summer next year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 02, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
Will front line heroes like ourselves be offered this first?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 02, 2020, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
This vaccine talk is bad news. Might have to work right up to the summer next year.

Is it too early for Elf ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 03, 2020, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: FermGael on December 02, 2020, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
This vaccine talk is bad news. Might have to work right up to the summer next year.

Is it too early for Elf ?

Aye definitely. Start their Santa letters sure, that'll kill a bit of time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 10, 2020, 07:03:23 AM
Quote from: FermGael on December 02, 2020, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 02, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
This vaccine talk is bad news. Might have to work right up to the summer next year.

Is it too early for Elf ?

Today is the day!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on December 10, 2020, 08:28:29 AM
Are there many schools finishing tomorrow for Xmas?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 10, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
In until the 22nd.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cobra on December 10, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
A lot of Teachers applying pressure on the Minister to close schools early just in case there might be a positive test in their class and they end up having to isolate over Christmas. Hard to have much sympathy for them when that's the attitude they're taking to children's education.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 10, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
Quote from: Cobra on December 10, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
A lot of Teachers applying pressure on the Minister to close schools early just in case there might be a positive test in their class and they end up having to isolate over Christmas. Hard to have much sympathy for them when that's the attitude they're taking to children's education.

Half my class aren't coming in so it's hardly just the teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 10, 2020, 10:16:20 AM
Hearing more & more nursery/primary schools saying coming in next week not compulsary. Work colleague saying her sons primary school principle saying he wasn't sending his kids to school so doesn't expect others?? Surely thats alot of pressure on people who have to work?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 10, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
The ones that have to work will just send their kids to school. The ones that want to isolate then don't send them to school. I don't see the issue.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 10, 2020, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Cobra on December 10, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
A lot of Teachers applying pressure on the Minister to close schools early just in case there might be a positive test in their class and they end up having to isolate over Christmas. Hard to have much sympathy for them when that's the attitude they're taking to children's education.

"Alot of teachers.." equates to a Stephen Nolan level of forensic journalism !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 10, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: Cobra on December 10, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
A lot of Teachers applying pressure on the Minister to close schools early just in case there might be a positive test in their class and they end up having to isolate over Christmas. Hard to have much sympathy for them when that's the attitude they're taking to children's education.

That's very True. 
Not like their are GCSE/11plus exams coming up after Christmas and teachers need the pupils in class.

Being able to stream Disney + this year on C2k has been a big bonus....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 16, 2020, 10:33:30 AM
Anyone finishing early or this Friday? I'm in until Tuesday. Just waiting on getting a call from a parent that their child has tested positive.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 16, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
We are in until Monday and have a 10% attendance figure today
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 16, 2020, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 16, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
We are in until Monday and have a 10% attendance figure today

I'd be happy enough with that. I've 26 in my class today ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 16, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

Yeah! Usually this is a handy week but this year it's a constant dread of someone testing positive.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

It depends, a child tested positive in my youngest class, all rang at 9am on Monday and told to get her, only to be sent message on school app next day to say as the child tested positive over the weekend, everyone back!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on December 16, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

Would that not depend on whether you are a close contact. I mean you should be wearing a mask and keeping distance, no? I know you may have some people who are closer and as a precaution you may go into isolation. But in general, the whole thing is built on people behaviours and it should really be dependent on the individual. 
My daughter is at a school where one teacher is constantly picking up their things and putting down again, almost like she is trying to make sure she will be a close contact if the time comes! Vast Majority are much more disciplined.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 16, 2020, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

Would that not depend on whether you are a close contact. I mean you should be wearing a mask and keeping distance, no? I know you may have some people who are closer and as a precaution you may go into isolation. But in general, the whole thing is built on people behaviours and it should really be dependent on the individual. 
My daughter is at a school where one teacher is constantly picking up their things and putting down again, almost like she is trying to make sure she will be a close contact if the time comes! Vast Majority are much more disciplined.

Depends on the age group. The majority of primary schools classes it would be very difficult to keep your distance from the children at all times. And it is virtually impossible to keep the children away from each other.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

It depends, a child tested positive in my youngest class, all rang at 9am on Monday and told to get her, only to be sent message on school app next day to say as the child tested positive over the weekend, everyone back!

So Covid only works at the weekend? The child could not have caught it before the weekend but the result came in at the weekend?

This covid is a slippery shit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:33:10 PM
yeah I was wondering whether teachers would be deemed close contact. I guess you're right and in older ones it'd probably be ok but then if the kids aren't wearing masks which presumably they aren't.

Bit of a minefield really.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: Seaney on December 16, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
If a child tests positive in your class is that you in isolation for 2 weeks? (well 10 days now it seems?)

Is that everyone in the class in isolation?

It depends, a child tested positive in my youngest class, all rang at 9am on Monday and told to get her, only to be sent message on school app next day to say as the child tested positive over the weekend, everyone back!

So Covid only works at the weekend? The child could not have caught it before the weekend but the result came in at the weekend?

This covid is a slippery shit

No idea, think the child developed symptoms on the Saturday was tested and got a positive result on the Sunday so was deemed to be ok for the rest of the kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 16, 2020, 12:44:58 PM
The incubation period of the virus is five days, to symptoms appear, if not asymptomatic. PHA track and trace count the self isolation period from the first signs of symptoms or positive test result. Only if the test is negative can you return to work/ school after 48 hours. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 16, 2020, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 16, 2020, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 16, 2020, 12:05:07 PM
We are in until Monday and have a 10% attendance figure today
I'd be happy enough with that. I've 26 in my class today ffs.

Was all going well until last week.
We have had a couple of confirmed cases and parents got twitchy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 17, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Looking back on it now, and seeing what lays ahead in the next 6 months, it has been surreal times in education. From predicted grades to online teaching to now having half an idea of what you should be teaching for the rest of the academic year.....at least it has spiced things up a bit. 

Are inspectors still getting paid?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 17, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 17, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Looking back on it now, and seeing what lays ahead in the next 6 months, it has been surreal times in education. From predicted grades to online teaching to now having half an idea of what you should be teaching for the rest of the academic year.....at least it has spiced things up a bit. 

Are inspectors still getting paid?

It's been a pain in the hole but I'm glad I'm not a secondary school teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 18, 2020, 09:08:22 PM
Back to school as normal?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 18, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
Normal return in January confirmed at 8pm !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
Doing a fine job.
Even for him 8 p.m on the last day of term.
He must be wetting himself.
Funny his second letter isn't getting the same publicity
All about primary schools being his preferred setting for pupils to sit the 11 plus........
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 18, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
Doing a fine job.
Even for him 8 p.m on the last day of term.
He must be wetting himself.
Funny his second letter isn't getting the same publicity
All about primary schools being his preferred setting for pupils to sit the 11 plus........

He cant push that agenda, as it would need every  Primary school to agree to host the tests, otherwise there would be an immediate JR served on him !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:12:03 PM
But he is .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 18, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
He knows full well it's not going to happen. Box ticked -"I tried to help but they wouldn't have it, not my fault, blame primary schools."
And don't forget the unions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 10:35:01 PM
What is Weir's agenda?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Very simple.
The 11 plus plus it seems he hasn't a high opinion of teachers .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Very simple.
The 11 plus plus it seems he hasn't a high opinion of teachers .

In fairness, has anybody a high opinion of teachers?

So it's an idealogical thing with him.

He seems to be all over the place on his brief and seems to be rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Very simple.
The 11 plus plus it seems he hasn't a high opinion of teachers .

In fairness, has anybody a high opinion of teachers?

So it's an idealogical thing with him.

He seems to be all over the place on his brief and seems to be rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way.

Lazy whores
Just looking more holidays ....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 18, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Very simple.
The 11 plus plus it seems he hasn't a high opinion of teachers .

In fairness, has anybody a high opinion of teachers?

So it's an idealogical thing with him.

He seems to be all over the place on his brief and seems to be rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way.

Lazy whores
Just looking more holidays ....

Are they above or belows bankers and estate agents on the list of the most hated professions...allegedly!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Verticalball on December 19, 2020, 12:01:54 AM
It's maddening to see this response at eight o'clock on a Friday evening, in addition to CCEA issuing guidance this afternoon. The lack of planning or forward thinking is a disgrace. There is no proactive thinking or vision in anticipating problems that lie ahead. For example Weir and CCEA put out consultations regarding GCSE / A level in Sept, and I know that feedback was that course content needed to be reduced. Took four months to accept this! I share an A level class with another school and I have just spent 4 months teaching a unit to my Year 14s which will now not be assessed. Likewise, my co-teacher in a neighbouring school who has been sharing a Yr 13 class with me and he has been teaching a unit for 4 months which has just been a waste of time. Could have been avoided. So many of these ministers have portfolios which they are not qualified to carry. I think Canada is an example where they appoint former teachers to the role of Education minister, doctors to the role of Health Minister. Weir seems to be making it up as he goes along.
I agree that students should be in school by the way, but a phased return in January should definitely be looked at to maximise the effect of the lockdown. And it is spreading in schools, no doubt about it. If you think adults are fed up complying, teenagers especially Yr 11 and upwards are sick of it and they are the students who are carrying the virus and displaying symptoms. An absolute shitshow from the Education Minister all week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 06:54:15 AM
At least we won't have to work into July now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 19, 2020, 08:34:21 AM
The problem is that Sinn Fein will remain largely silent in the issue and Weir will get his way ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 19, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
Dept. Of Education is a shit show from the top down. Weird is a poor communicator, dithers, is poorly advised by his Sp.Ad. Peter Martin. His agenda is driven by the North Down branch of
'Grammar schools' at all costs.
The Education Authority is a complete disaster- it is charged with delivering Education policies.It is completely unfit for purpose. It has spent millions of millions of  pounds on SEN provision, for example  and it is still in turmoil.
They spend millions on  reviews, that are never implemented- next on the list - is a review of education provision!  The panacea of the 'liberal latte elite'  is to have one education system- which is fine in principle - but how does that actually work in reality ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 19, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Just a grammar school thing.

You're just a stat!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on December 19, 2020, 04:40:17 PM
Maghera is the only other area, I know off.

Serious pressure to get a place in the 'premier'  Grammars - Knock, Rathmore, Aquinas, St.Mals. The ' 2nd tier' Grammars are easier to get a place in - tend to be in state sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2020, 07:21:46 PM
Don't really get the problem with Weir and the 8pm thing. As it stood, all schools were preparing for a normal start. Anything else was negligence.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2020, 07:34:00 PM
That's understandable. Fair play til Weir. Was definitely bate at school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?
Some parents will want their children to attend the top grammars for kudos but for most people I'd say it is related related to how good or shit the schools are in your area.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2020, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.
And in the absence of the Dickson Plan the 11+ would have been in use in Lurgan and you'd no doubt have had plenty of Catholic pupils sitting the transfer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 19, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Not a Protestant thing. It's number 1 thing on most people's minds here in Derry City. Lessening a bit especially for girls who have all good standard schools grammar and non. For boys The College has gone to the dogs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 19, 2020, 10:05:39 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

It dominates east Tyrone primary schools..... Dungannon  Academy & Donaghmore Convent both insisted on entrance tests to ensure they don't get the academically weaker pupil into their school, Sure let the secondary schools deal with them....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 19, 2020, 10:29:10 PM
Are there many schools in the North that have an amalgamation of all and does it work? St Ronan's must have a grammar stream? Any others that come to mind? Testing a child at 10/11 is absolutely shambolic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 19, 2020, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?
[/quote]Some parents will want their children to attend the top grammars for kudos but for most people I'd say it is related related to how good or shit the schools are in your area.
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This is the bit parents don't understand.

Do they think if their kids go to a certain school, then they'll 'do well', for want of a better phrase?

Parents seem to think that their kids will become Einsteins if they go to a certain school.

Personally, I think it's all about keeping up with the Joneses and sipping their lattès in Starbucks saying wee Johnny's ski trip is costing £1000.

Plus how do parents know how 'good' a school is? By reading a generic one page inspection report from the ETI saying the school is good, ok or crap?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2020, 10:58:12 PM
No one should ever quote.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on December 19, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

When 90% of the schools involved, if not more, are Catholic maintained?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
There are plenty reasons as to why parents would like their child at the local 'better' school...

These are not my views:

Afraid their child will be bullied in the rough secondary school (totally unfounded)

Better chance of getting better results (totally unfounded)

Good chance of university (totally unfounded)

Sports

They went to it

Prestige

Of course all of this bollox, a child will thrive in education at their level, unfortunately some kids will mature at different ages, and if they need to be pushed more as they get older but find themselves in a school that hasn't got that extra level, they could lose out.

All my kids did it and I didn't see pressure put on them nor were they tutored, they would have been disappointed had they not passed, one went to a secondary school as his first choice the girls went to local school grammar school.

I left school at 16, doing the transfer test was normal, I can't remember the period when it became an issue..


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)

Yes this is 100% the point. Instead of doing a transfer test at 10/11 years of age then do it when children are a little older around 14.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on December 19, 2020, 11:27:55 PM
I'm about to turn 34. Youngest of 5 kids who went to Rathmore from St. Anne's, a primary school in Finaghy/Dunmurry. To be honest, doing the 11+, getting an A and going to Rathmore was never in doubt, so I'm not sure if was ever even thought about from an ethical or moral perspective. It's a great school with great teachers that we had a family tradition at. Unless I fucked up the 11+, which was pretty unlikely, I wasn't going anywhere else. I went to the La Salle open day but realistically I wasn't going anywhere but Rathmore. Of my class of 30 odd in St. Anne's, 3 didn't do the 11+. Two went to La Salle, one to St. Genevieve's. I did a few practise tests in my own time but was never tutored.

A lot of family friends had kids in St. Bride's which is BT9 based and primarily feeds Rathmore and Knock, with a few to Aquinas and Methody. A lot more from there would have been tutored within an inch of their life. At least 3 people in my year in Rathmore from St. Bride's got their place as a result of legal action after they didn't get the right grades in the 11+, some of whom had prominent parents in the legal profession.

If I was at home and living in the catchment area, I would probably, selfishly, want my kids to go to Rathmore or Knock. Good schools academically, I had a good experience there, exposure to Gaelic sports etc. Probably not the most rational way to think about things or the most idealistically egalitarian view of it all but that's the way I feel. The flip side is if I felt my child wasn't up to the academic demands of a grammar school, there's no way in hell I'd be pushing to get them there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2020, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.
And in the absence of the Dickson Plan the 11+ would have been in use in Lurgan and you'd no doubt have had plenty of Catholic pupils sitting the transfer.

There is no Dixon Plan in Lurgan now and the transfer doesn't dominate primary school.  Still have a small percentage going to Newry schools but it's not the thing that it is in other areas. The fuss over transfer in Belfast is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2020, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
There are plenty reasons as to why parents would like their child at the local 'better' school...

These are not my views:

Afraid their child will be bullied in the rough secondary school (totally unfounded)

Better chance of getting better results (totally unfounded)

Good chance of university (totally unfounded)

Sports

They went to it

Prestige

Of course all of this bollox, a child will thrive in education at their level, unfortunately some kids will mature at different ages, and if they need to be pushed more as they get older but find themselves in a school that hasn't got that extra level, they could lose out.

All my kids did it and I didn't see pressure put on them nor were they tutored, they would have been disappointed had they not passed, one went to a secondary school as his first choice the girls went to local school grammar school.

I left school at 16, doing the transfer test was normal, I can't remember the period when it became an issue..

Why did you send your girls to the grammar school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)

Yes this is 100% the point. Instead of doing a transfer test at 10/11 years of age then do it when children are a little older around 14.

I agree with the age thing btw, I put it on my last post. But you still did a test to transfer to a better school, you didn't have to.

Whether the test is a good thing or not, and being 11 or 13 to me, it's still a test. We are judged through exams all through school, I'm not for or against comprehensive schools, good streaming would be my priority
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 19, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Im torn on it. The test can fail good students who flop on the day but i do think there is place for academic grading of schools at secondary level or at very least classes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)

Yes this is 100% the point. Instead of doing a transfer test at 10/11 years of age then do it when children are a little older around 14.

I agree with the age thing btw, I put it on my last post. But you still did a test to transfer to a better school, you didn't have to.

Whether the test is a good thing or not, and being 11 or 13 to me, it's still a test. We are judged through exams all through school, I'm not for or against comprehensive schools, good streaming would be my priority

Of course children are judged with testing right up until they finish university and beyond. But doing it when they are 10/11 and with the emphasis and pressure attached to the transfer is ridiculous. It's the same every year. Children having meltdowns and panic attacks walking into the exam hall. I am never going to agree with that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 05:21:23 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

They're obviously very clever and I would say in the minority of cases that do no prep at all. As I said earlier, the test is in November. They won't have been taught some of the things on the test unless the school adjusts their curriculum to squeeze everything in before that date. I've never heard of any cases where a child does the test without even looking at some past papers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Any child or adult doing any exams will prep, who turns up and doesn't prepare?

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail

Looking at and doing past papers is standard ffs.

The system is wrong I'm not disagreeing with you, certainly looking at the age is one way, but having streamed schools is better than throwing them altogether with different learning abilities.

So whether it's a grammar school or a properly streamed comprehensive school, it'll be doing the same thing.

Even my shitty secondary school was streamed, not that it made a pile a difference, rioting, watching stolen cars on the pitch, and hurling and football was the only show in town
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 05:21:23 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

They're obviously very clever and I would say in the minority of cases that do no prep at all. As I said earlier, the test is in November. They won't have been taught some of the things on the test unless the school adjusts their curriculum to squeeze everything in before that date. I've never heard of any cases where a child does the test without even looking at some past papers.

No I agree with you. We really did have a take it or leave attitude in our house and there were no papers available in the early days,I'm nearly sorry now I didn't push wains bit more.  Nearly too relaxed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 19, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Im torn on it. The test can fail good students who flop on the day but i do think there is place for academic grading of schools at secondary level or at very least classes

But when pupils go into first year in any school, depending on numbers obviously, is there not 'tests' done to check their 'ability level' and placed in a class accordingly?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 19, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Im torn on it. The test can fail good students who flop on the day but i do think there is place for academic grading of schools at secondary level or at very least classes

But when pupils go into first year in any school, depending on numbers obviously, is there not 'tests' done to check their 'ability level' and placed in a class accordingly?

Possiblly,used to be back in the day, mines went to grammar, mixed experiences. The all girls grammar could be a toxic place, maybe all one sex schools are like that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)

Yes this is 100% the point. Instead of doing a transfer test at 10/11 years of age then do it when children are a little older around 14.

I agree with the age thing btw, I put it on my last post. But you still did a test to transfer to a better school, you didn't have to.

Whether the test is a good thing or not, and being 11 or 13 to me, it's still a test. We are judged through exams all through school, I'm not for or against comprehensive schools, good streaming would be my priority

Of course children are judged with testing right up until they finish university and beyond. But doing it when they are 10/11 and with the emphasis and pressure attached to the transfer is ridiculous. It's the same every year. Children having meltdowns and panic attacks walking into the exam hall. I am never going to agree with that.

Totally agree Jim.

I'd be against it for the same reason.  All about statistics at the end of the day.  Pushy parents who want to get into a grammar (wanting to do their 'best' for their kids) but at the same time putting pressure on their child to get into a grammar and being a success/failure at 10/11 and all the mental health aspects that are tied to that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 10:00:31 AM
I was against schools closing earlier in the year but think now they should close for 3 weeks to get this virus down. Weir is making a complete balls of things
Full lockdown until January 25th then all school kids back. Get rid of the midterm so we can gather a week back. So affectively we are loosing 2 weeks
What is the point of a lockdown and kids going to school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?

Did you do the 11+?

No, it wasn't ever a thing in the schools around our area. We had the Dixon Plan. St. Paul's for 3 years then we did a transfer test at the end of 3rd year into St. Michael's Grammar. They've all been merged into the new St. Ronan's college.

So you did a transfer test, just older, right. There's me thinking you didn't  ;)

Yes this is 100% the point. Instead of doing a transfer test at 10/11 years of age then do it when children are a little older around 14.

I agree with the age thing btw, I put it on my last post. But you still did a test to transfer to a better school, you didn't have to.

Whether the test is a good thing or not, and being 11 or 13 to me, it's still a test. We are judged through exams all through school, I'm not for or against comprehensive schools, good streaming would be my priority

Of course children are judged with testing right up until they finish university and beyond. But doing it when they are 10/11 and with the emphasis and pressure attached to the transfer is ridiculous. It's the same every year. Children having meltdowns and panic attacks walking into the exam hall. I am never going to agree with that.

Totally agree Jim.

I'd be against it for the same reason.  All about statistics at the end of the day.  Pushy parents who want to get into a grammar (wanting to do their 'best' for their kids) but at the same time putting pressure on their child to get into a grammar and being a success/failure at 10/11 and all the mental health as
pects that are tied to that.

If we can get all the non grammars up to good standard parents may start putting less emphasis on transfer. The once lauded College here in Derry has really developed a bad rep in recent years. 1600 boys in a system that maybe is not prepared for lads of differing abilities. Failed 11 plus myself after being top of class in every prep exam. Totally freaked out and wrote nothing , so I think there has to be either abetter process of selecting or a better way of getting all schools up to similar standard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?

Quality of teaching unfortunately certainly in boys schools here. Girls getting closer in standard. Most of the secondary schools in Derry don't even offer full range of A levels
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 10:13:37 AM
Yip, secondary school teachers tend to be useless and generally they're arseholes too.

Lol not at all. I should take that back, standard and quality of courses can be better in grammars ,usually not down to teaching but a lot of other factors, possibly a more challenging environment for a teacher in a secondary school, the lack of breath in subjects is a big thing though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 19, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 19, 2020, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2020, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 19, 2020, 04:21:42 PM
Are there any areas in the North that aren't 'transfer' areas? I teach near Lurgan and not one child will be doing the transfer in our school. One child has done it in the past 6 years. It is never mentioned. The children are so much happier here than other schools I've taught in. When I taught in an area that feeds into Rathmore and the likes, I couldn't believe how much of a big deal it was. Serious pressure put on children. The Monday after results day was always a very tough day when a lot of children didn't get the result they wanted. 10/11 years of age and devastated over an exam. The exam is in November as well. Half the P7 curriculum isn't even taught at that stage so they're all tutored within an inch of their life. A bloody joke of a system. Is it more of a Protestant thing or what?
[/quote]Some parents will want their children to attend the top grammars for kudos but for most people I'd say it is related related to how good or shit the schools are in your area.
[/b]

This is the bit parents don't understand.

Do they think if their kids go to a certain school, then they'll 'do well', for want of a better phrase?

Parents seem to think that their kids will become Einsteins if they go to a certain school.

Personally, I think it's all about keeping up with the Joneses and sipping their lattès in Starbucks saying wee Johnny's ski trip is costing £1000.

Plus how do parents know how 'good' a school is? By reading a generic one page inspection report from the ETI saying the school is good, ok or crap?
I don't think it's as complicated as ETI reports tbh.
School reputations in the community dictate. The parents are thinking that wee Johnny has a better chance of doing well if he's in the school that gets the good exam results rather than the school up the road where the wee bastids are climbing the walls and stabbing each other.

But Hardstation, this is all word of mouth.  Reputations from the community are parents saying...such and such is a good school. Why? My wee lad likes it, does well at sport etc. etc.  It's all what parents say - no hard facts based on evidence.

The only thing that's concrete is an ETI report.

And even at that, inspectors spend 3 days in a school, go through it with a fine tooth comb and, after all that, all the pricks can do is a basic report which basically says good, ok or bad.  Wtf like?
That's a debate for another day.

My point is that child will do well whatever school they go to - regardless of ability.  I know pupils who went to secondary and got 4 'As' in A lavel, while I know others who dropped out of grammars at the end of fifth year.

Parents will, for the most part, especially in rural areas, send their kids to the local school.  For handiness moreso than anything else i.e. the bus picks them up at the bottom of the lane at 8:30 am.  Cities and larger towns have maybe more choice but not to a huge extent.  Distance will always be a huge factor in their choice.

If a child who is academially gifted went to a secondary school, who's to say they wouldn't get the same results/education as by going to a grammar school?


Finally, should we not be judging our kids on their value to society, sporting prowess and creativity etc. etc. instead of are they and 'A', 'B' or 'D'?


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?
Differentiation. Apparently.

But all schools differentiate.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?

Quality of teaching unfortunately certainly in boys schools here. Girls getting closer in standard. Most of the secondary schools in Derry don't even offer full range of A levels

Fear, quantify 'quality of teaching'.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 10:03:17 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?
Differentiation. Apparently.

But all schools differentiate.

I withdrew that above. Quality of courses delivered is the big difference along with the environment in which they are delivered. Unfair of me to say anything about teaching ability. It wasn't my intention.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Any child or adult doing any exams will prep, who turns up and doesn't prepare?

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail

Looking at and doing past papers is standard ffs.

The system is wrong I'm not disagreeing with you, certainly looking at the age is one way, but having streamed schools is better than throwing them altogether with different learning abilities.

So whether it's a grammar school or a properly streamed comprehensive school, it'll be doing the same thing.

Even my shitty secondary school was streamed, not that it made a pile a difference, rioting, watching stolen cars on the pitch, and hurling and football was the only show in town

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying you agree with the transfer or not? If there was no transfer then we wouldn't have this problem of children having to prepare for a test at 10/11. We do tests in school throughout the year as well. They have the usual weekly spelling tests and reading assessments etc. They get tested plenty throughout their primary school life. But then the transfer schools take it to the next level. It carries such pressure and importance that the children are freaking  out and it's starts to be talked about in the middle of P5. For 95% of the children doing it there is no way of getting an A without all that preparation and tutoring.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Also back to my original question, why is Weir all for the transfer if it is more beneficial for these Catholic grammars?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Also back to my original question, why is Weir all for the transfer if it is more beneficial for these Catholic grammars?
The transfer test(s) isn't a Catholic/Protestant thing.

Both sides do the tests to get into grammar schools.

Yes, but why are Weir and DUP pro transfer test?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2020, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2020, 09:47:08 AM
Any child or adult doing any exams will prep, who turns up and doesn't prepare?

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail

Looking at and doing past papers is standard ffs.

The system is wrong I'm not disagreeing with you, certainly looking at the age is one way, but having streamed schools is better than throwing them altogether with different learning abilities.

So whether it's a grammar school or a properly streamed comprehensive school, it'll be doing the same thing.

Even my shitty secondary school was streamed, not that it made a pile a difference, rioting, watching stolen cars on the pitch, and hurling and football was the only show in town

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying you agree with the transfer or not? If there was no transfer then we wouldn't have this problem of children having to prepare for a test at 10/11. We do tests in school throughout the year as well. They have the usual weekly spelling tests and reading assessments etc. They get tested plenty throughout their primary school life. But then the transfer schools take it to the next level. It carries such pressure and importance that the children are freaking  out and it's starts to be talked about in the middle of P5. For 95% of the children doing it there is no way of getting an A without all that preparation and tutoring.

I'm for streaming schools, the process of getting there is down to a test to separate the different levels.

How we do that is debatable, test at 11? Or we have comprehensive schools that do it at another age, either way we'll have one complaining about the pressure. As I've said the pressure is something that's been generated by parents of millennials  snowflake generation.

As for it being a religious thing, I've never seen that, if the DUP are for it then SF will be against it, that's my take on NI politics
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on December 20, 2020, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Also back to my original question, why is Weir all for the transfer if it is more beneficial for these Catholic grammars?
The transfer test(s) isn't a Catholic/Protestant thing.

Both sides do the tests to get into grammar schools.

Yes, but why are Weir and DUP pro transfer test?
Lots of people are, for numerous reasons.
For Weir & the DUP - it is likely a class thing.

Because themmuns are agin it is my best guess.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 01:55:51 PM
So we are going to go to remote learning from the 25th if January for non exam classes at secondary.
Weir is absolutely desperate to preserve the 11 plus and Maths/English modular GCSEs in January
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 02:07:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 01:55:51 PM
So we are going to go to remote learning from the 25th if January for non exam classes at secondary.
Weir is absolutely desperate to preserve the 11 plus and Maths/English modular GCSEs in January

I'm lost!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 02:16:11 PM
The GL transfer test is that weekend of the 25th
11 plus gets done and then we cut the pupils in secondary school .
About 3 weeks too late.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2020, 02:19:03 PM
I'll not be told what to do but here's a wee gesture.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 21, 2020, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 20, 2020, 01:16:48 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 12:59:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2020, 11:48:21 PM
Is that more so now or was it happening all the time?

I've no memory of it being at thing

I can only comment on the last 11 years but it's always been like that in my time of teaching. I taught in a school were 26 children out of 28 did transfer. 20 of them got an A. They were all tutored in some shape or form. The P7 curriculum was mixed in with the P6 curriculum, their homework was based around transfer, past papers a few times a week in school, morning transfer clubs, transfer packs for the summer holidays etc. The parents gave the usual talk that they aren't pressuring them to do it etc. They were. It was a culture ingrained in the local area. All that pressure on 10/11 year olds. Disgraceful. It was more or less the same in all the transfer schools I taught in. The exception being one in Antrim. It was an extremely deprived area. The parents simply couldn't afford to get the kids tutored.

My local schools have nowhere near that sort of pressure. The children all know that they're either going to Lismore or St. Ronan's, with the exception of a few in each school. Literally no worrying about what grade they're going to need.

My wains all done transfer. School done no prep. We didn't get them tutored,they all passed and have gone to grammar. We are from working class background,I just went with flow and it's worker well, we were very easy going about it,I see the serious failings in system but at same time glad wains got grammar education

What's the difference between a grammar school education and a secondary school education?

Quality of teaching unfortunately certainly in boys schools here. Girls getting closer in standard. Most of the secondary schools in Derry don't even offer full range of A levels
I wouldn't agree with that in relation to Armagh and I know people with wains at Campbell, Methody etc. wouldn't agree with it either. These big schools don't tend to be top dogs academically but because they have money they are able to offer a lot more extra-curricural activities and that appeals to a lot of people.

Lots of grammar school teachers can get away with murder because a good proportion of the pupils don't need spoon fed. I know from my boys grammar school there are some very average teachers and some lazy teachers. It's the teachers busting a gut in a secondary and achieving results beyond expectations that are the better teachers imo.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2020, 03:09:59 PM
Teeehee
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 21, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 02:42:30 PM
Yip, secondary school teachers tend to be very hard working and generally they're dead on too.
There are exceptions to every rule.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2020, 06:16:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 02:42:30 PM
Yip, secondary school teachers tend to be very hard working and generally they're dead on too.

The boys secondary shools in Derry have a very very poor record unfortunately but I imagine the performance is badly affected by very high levels of social deprivation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Yeah, in my experience, teachers in boys' secondary schools don't tend to work as hard as teachers in girls' secondary schools although they are undoubtedly more dead on.

Ffs I need to come off this thread , read that wrong, sorry lad , I'm assuming you are a teacher, sound man too btw
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 21, 2020, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on December 21, 2020, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Yeah, in my experience, teachers in boys' secondary schools don't tend to work as hard as teachers in girls' secondary schools although they are undoubtedly more dead on.

Ffs I need to come off this thread , read that wrong, sorry lad , I'm assuming you are a teacher, sound man too btw

You probably should. And is he, on both accounts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 21, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 20, 2020, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: hardstation on December 20, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 20, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
Also back to my original question, why is Weir all for the transfer if it is more beneficial for these Catholic grammars?
The transfer test(s) isn't a Catholic/Protestant thing.

Both sides do the tests to get into grammar schools.

Yes, but why are Weir and DUP pro transfer test?
Lots of people are, for numerous reasons.
For Weir & the DUP - it is likely a class thing.

Because themmuns are agin it is my best guess.

No,  hardstation is right. It's a class thing. For all sides.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Always has been a class thing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Always has been a class thing.

So all the kids that did the transfer test that went to St Finians primary school on the Falls rd (when I did it 1981) without a pot to piss in, holes in their shoes, done it, passed (3/4of them) and went to grammar school because it was a class thing?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 09:04:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
They did that because it was the only system available to them. They weren't implementing the system.

Exactly
Now it's a private company who administers the test.
Tutoring happened back then as well but not to the extent it does now.
By making it this type of test you are basically guaranteeing that those who can afford to have their children tutored will get the better grades.
Imagine, just for a minute , we implemented a system for GCSEs like this one ? There would be uproar.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
They did that because it was the only system available to them. They weren't implementing the system.

Didn't have to do it.. parents struggled to put kids through a grammar school, it was more expensive than a secondary school. So the system was do it or not. Two lads in my class didn't, we'd no idea at the time why.

I don't know anyone who was tutored in my day, not saying it wasn't
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
Hard to find tutors of Latin in Belfast then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 21, 2020, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Always has been a class thing.

So all the kids that did the transfer test that went to St Finians primary school on the Falls rd (when I did it 1981) without a pot to piss in, holes in their shoes, done it, passed (3/4of them) and went to grammar school because it was a class thing?

Talk us through the intake profile then. Not just Free School Meals entitlement. Look at MDM too.

Of course it's class based.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 21, 2020, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Always has been a class thing.

So all the kids that did the transfer test that went to St Finians primary school on the Falls rd (when I did it 1981) without a pot to piss in, holes in their shoes, done it, passed (3/4of them) and went to grammar school because it was a class thing?

Talk us through the intake profile then. Not just Free School Meals entitlement. Look at MDM too.

Of course it's class based.

Does it put you up a class doing the transfer test?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
They did that because it was the only system available to them. They weren't implementing the system.

Didn't have to do it.. parents struggled to put kids through a grammar school, it was more expensive than a secondary school. So the system was do it or not. Two lads in my class didn't, we'd no idea at the time why.

I don't know anyone who was tutored in my day, not saying it wasn't


What about now ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 10:00:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 21, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
They did that because it was the only system available to them. They weren't implementing the system.

Didn't have to do it.. parents struggled to put kids through a grammar school, it was more expensive than a secondary school. So the system was do it or not. Two lads in my class didn't, we'd no idea at the time why.

I don't know anyone who was tutored in my day, not saying it wasn't


What about now ?

They are, my wife tutored for years, it's done at gcse and A level also
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
It is done at GCSE and A Level. No doubt .

But many pupils get their GCSEs without it as well
I don't think thats the case with the current 11 plus . 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 11:25:50 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
It is done at GCSE and A Level. No doubt .

But many pupils get their GCSEs without it as well
I don't think thats the case with the current 11 plus .

Rubbish, my two kids and friends kids weren't tutored... I'm sure there are plenty that aren't..

The problem lies when the bar is raised, the 11 plus isn't the same as the today's. Natural it needed to become a tougher exam. Kids got tutored. It's not life and death that people make out
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on December 22, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
It is done at GCSE and A Level. No doubt .

But many pupils get their GCSEs without it as well
I don't think thats the case with the current 11 plus .

I didn't pay for a tutor for my oldest two and they both passed that GL thing and are at a Grammar school. In fairness the local primary school teacher is very good at the exam prep.

They get the same support from me and their mum now with their homework as they did when preparing for the entrance exam and neither of us are teachers.

You can't be tutoring kids forever so they need to learn a work ethic and find their own level as at some point they'll have to paddle their own canoe.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2020, 08:52:34 PM
Surely CCEA will spend the next few days making some sensible decisions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 30, 2020, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 30, 2020, 08:52:34 PM
Surely CCEA will spend the next few days making some sensible decisions.

Whatever decisions are made, they need to let people know ASAP!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on December 30, 2020, 09:28:06 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55491806 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55491806)


Bless you all might have to do some work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on December 30, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 21, 2020, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 21, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
Always has been a class thing.

So all the kids that did the transfer test that went to St Finians primary school on the Falls rd (when I did it 1981) without a pot to piss in, holes in their shoes, done it, passed (3/4of them) and went to grammar school because it was a class thing?

I doubt you could pass water.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2020, 09:57:42 PM
What will happen to possible swathes of pupils unable to sit transfer or GSCE modules in Jan?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 30, 2020, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 30, 2020, 09:57:42 PM
What will happen to possible swathes of pupils unable to sit transfer or GSCE modules in Jan?

In Weir we trust!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 30, 2020, 10:39:07 PM
Weirs plan , and I may be wrong here, seems to be to bring the exam classes in next week at secondary.  Leave the rest remote learning. Primary schools shut for a week extra and then back
That means they can obviously do their GCSE modules and grammars will be open for the 11 plus.

The elephant in the room is that we can't put these pupils into bubbles at secondary level and these are more than likely going to be the pupils that are at most risk of carrying the virus ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on December 31, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
The online teaching I expect to be as pathetic as last lockdown!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 31, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
Has Weir an aversion to hairbrushes or combs?
His mammy should spray his hair before he goes out of a morning..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on December 31, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 31, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
Has Weir an aversion to hairbrushes or combs?
His mammy should spray his hair before he goes out of a morning..

What you can say about the DUP is that they are not sneaking off to illegal hair salons.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 31, 2020, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 31, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 31, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
Has Weir an aversion to hairbrushes or combs?
His mammy should spray his hair before he goes out of a morning..

What you can say about the DUP is that they are not sneaking off to illegal hair salons.

You only have to look at Nasty Nick to see hair salons are not high on the DUP list.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 03, 2021, 08:04:56 PM
Some mess closing these schools. We haven't heard from ours. No plan for tomorrow. Don't know how I am meant to work from home and school children.
A complete shit show.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 03, 2021, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 03, 2021, 08:04:56 PM
Some mess closing these schools. We haven't heard from ours. No plan for tomorrow. Don't know how I am meant to work from home and school children.
A complete shit show.

Same. Wife is essential I'm not but required to work so no arrangements made atm
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 03, 2021, 08:20:57 PM
A lot of teachers are looking at their civil servant colleagues, seeing they are doing f**k all and getting paid and want the same. The children's wellbeing is far from the thought process, unions are a plague on society.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 03, 2021, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 03, 2021, 08:04:56 PM
Some mess closing these schools. We haven't heard from ours. No plan for tomorrow. Don't know how I am meant to work from home and school children.
A complete shit show.

Same. Wife is essential I'm not but required to work so no arrangements made atm

Wife is essential - give it 10 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 03, 2021, 08:37:39 PM
I'm going walking in the Mournes tomorrow. I'll still be able to post on Google Classroom so it's sweet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
Reception mightn't be deadly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 03, 2021, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 03, 2021, 08:37:39 PM
I'm going walking in the Mournes tomorrow. I'll still be able to post on Google Classroom so it's sweet.

Jim Jim Jim.
You can set Google classroom up to schedule your tasks in advance .  Lifesaver
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 03, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 03, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 03, 2021, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 03, 2021, 08:04:56 PM
Some mess closing these schools. We haven't heard from ours. No plan for tomorrow. Don't know how I am meant to work from home and school children.
A complete shit show.

Same. Wife is essential I'm not but required to work so no arrangements made atm

Wife is essential - give it 10 years.

I'm not looking forward to doing the dishes anytime soon.

Seriously though I seen Mark h Durkan posting outline of proposals and he was inundated with responses asking whose going to watch wains when we are at work because most have 2 choices , fork out money we don't have or hope that grand parents etc can take the extra load- btw this is a time where we all all trying our best to reduce contact with elderly
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 03, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 03, 2021, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 03, 2021, 08:37:39 PM
I'm going walking in the Mournes tomorrow. I'll still be able to post on Google Classroom so it's sweet.

Jim Jim Jim.
You can set Google classroom up to schedule your tasks in advance .  Lifesaver

Oh aye but I like to reply to the odd query from the children. Just to make it look like I'm doing something. I'll send an aul page with a few task on it tomorrow. That'll do them for a few weeks anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2021, 10:13:10 PM
Jim enjoy your lie in the Mora
Keep beating that drum
Kids it's to dangerous to come to school
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2021, 10:14:13 PM
Might get them to start on St Patrick's Day poems.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 03, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Hope to god teachers are getting special training this week before they go to their almost certain death on 11th. It reminds me of the landing at Normandy, the heroes running for the classroom only for 70% of them to be gunned down by Covid. I can see a day we will all be arguing over the colour of the poppy to remember them by.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
70% is conservative.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 03, 2021, 11:55:11 PM
Since billions of our taxes go to Dept of education each year is there not an argument that if schools are closed that we should be recompensed to allow us working parents to divert money to childcare?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Hope to god teachers are getting special training this week before they go to their almost certain death on 11th. It reminds me of the landing at Normandy, the heroes running for the classroom only for 70% of them to be gunned down by Covid. I can see a day we will all be arguing over the colour of the poppy to remember them by.

This is actually a good description of what it is like. In years to come they'll make a Band of Brothers mini series about this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 08:34:03 AM
Who will play you Jim?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 08:34:03 AM
Who will play you Jim?

The Rock.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Hope to god teachers are getting special training this week before they go to their almost certain death on 11th. It reminds me of the landing at Normandy, the heroes running for the classroom only for 70% of them to be gunned down by Covid. I can see a day we will all be arguing over the colour of the poppy to remember them by.

This is actually a good description of what it is like. In years to come they'll make a Band of Brothers mini series about this.

I thought so. I can see us having a minutes silence before all GAA matches and a new Poppy designed (green will probably win out to reflect the incredible patriots within the teaching industry) sown into all the jerseys. Anyone who points out that the teachers got it handy enough compared to nurses, doctors, factory workers, shop keepers etc will be loudly booed, bullets sent to them in the post etc.

Anyway, Jim comrade, I do hope you are one of the 20% (following O Neills assertion that 70% fatalities is too conservative I have revised up to 80%) and that you will be back here on the 12th January to tell us about the horrors that unfolded in the classroom.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 08:34:03 AM
Who will play you Jim?

The Rock.
Same hairstyle anyways.... :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Hope to god teachers are getting special training this week before they go to their almost certain death on 11th. It reminds me of the landing at Normandy, the heroes running for the classroom only for 70% of them to be gunned down by Covid. I can see a day we will all be arguing over the colour of the poppy to remember them by.

This is actually a good description of what it is like. In years to come they'll make a Band of Brothers mini series about this.

I thought so. I can see us having a minutes silence before all GAA matches and a new Poppy designed (green will probably win out to reflect the incredible patriots within the teaching industry) sown into all the jerseys. Anyone who points out that the teachers got it handy enough compared to nurses, doctors, factory workers, shop keepers etc will be loudly booed, bullets sent to them in the post etc.

Anyway, Jim comrade, I do hope you are one of the 20% (following O Neills assertion that 70% fatalities is too conservative I have revised up to 80%) and that you will be back here on the 12th January to tell us about the horrors that unfolded in the classroom.
Put them on the €350/week COVID payment and they won't be long wanting to go back to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 09:43:08 AM
While not a teacher I have serious reservations about kids going back into a classroom.

None of them are in this week however I am still undecided if I will send them back next week given the explosion of cases here
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on January 04, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
Serious lack of leadership around this whole issue.

Problem also is that the range of experiences from home schooling vary massively. While some schools and teachers have stepped up there can be no argument that others have not. There should be a consistent approach across the sector but that would take some leadership which is completely lacking.

The spike of the Christmas gatherings is going hit toward the end of this week and yet we think it is Ok to be sending kids back into that environment next week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 08:34:03 AM
Who will play you Jim?

The Rock.
Same hairstyle anyways.... :D

We get a similar wage as well. He just works more than a teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 08:18:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Hope to god teachers are getting special training this week before they go to their almost certain death on 11th. It reminds me of the landing at Normandy, the heroes running for the classroom only for 70% of them to be gunned down by Covid. I can see a day we will all be arguing over the colour of the poppy to remember them by.

This is actually a good description of what it is like. In years to come they'll make a Band of Brothers mini series about this.

I thought so. I can see us having a minutes silence before all GAA matches and a new Poppy designed (green will probably win out to reflect the incredible patriots within the teaching industry) sown into all the jerseys. Anyone who points out that the teachers got it handy enough compared to nurses, doctors, factory workers, shop keepers etc will be loudly booed, bullets sent to them in the post etc.

Anyway, Jim comrade, I do hope you are one of the 20% (following O Neills assertion that 70% fatalities is too conservative I have revised up to 80%) and that you will be back here on the 12th January to tell us about the horrors that unfolded in the classroom.
Put them on the €350/week COVID payment and they won't be long wanting to go back to work.

So not doing any online teaching then?

I'd say most teachers would take that...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 04, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
Serious lack of leadership around this whole issue.

Problem also is that the range of experiences from home schooling vary massively. While some schools and teachers have stepped up there can be no argument that others have not. There should be a consistent approach across the sector but that would take some leadership which is completely lacking.

The spike of the Christmas gatherings is going hit toward the end of this week and yet we think it is Ok to be sending kids back into that environment next week.

All joking aside, there is a serious lack of accountability. If schools close and teachers have to teach from home what happens if they don't. God knows there are some great teachers, highly motivated that would never allow their pupils education to falter. But there is also a large proportion of teachers that expect the Department to come to do a training course with them before they would turn on a computer. The issue is there is ZERO accountability in teaching for performance and when you have that how do you get people to anything? If I am a teacher and I just refuse to do any online work what happens to me? Nothing I imagine is the answer. I also think teachers should reflect on how their unions are representing them as they are the biggest embarrassment of unions I have come across and believe me I have come across a right few.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.

Bit early for you to be on the glue
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.

Bit early for you to be on the glue

I wouldnt say it as a blanket approach but there is no doubt some kids are getting very little work to do.

December being December I would have expected many teachers to switch off but if remote learning continues in January and kids get the same (minimal) levels of online work to do I will be going to the principals of the 3 schools my kids are at to express my concern
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.
Online teaching? Who? My older 2 who are in school haven't even any school books at home as they are all kept in the school!
No online teaching happening here, maybe in the north but I couldn't give a fiddlers about the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

No, I understand Taylor.  Just from my experience.  I think every situation was different surely.  But during lockdown, and because of that situation, we were constantly told it was a menu - do as much as you can, or as little...or nothing.  There was no pressure on anybody because of the exceptional circumstances.  Secondary school pupils are different - and every school was different but their exams etc. are being cut away back this year so they could do a lot of studying now for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.

Yes Jim - as mentioned in a previous quote I will be going to the principals if it doesnt improve this time round.

This happened at 3 different schools - very little work being sent to do at home by teachers.

No doubt it differs in other schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.

If it's not done across all schools, what do you want me to do.  It was done in my kids' school. 

If not, did you contact the school, teacher in class of if secondary school, the head or form class?  You hear people complaining after 6 weeks of no work...well, wee Tommy got no work this past fortnight.  Oh, did you contact the teacher/school?  Ah, no, couldn't do that.  Just went on the gaa forum and complained  on there.  Ah, great idea!!

By the way, parents are the main educators in a child's life - that's f€*king a fact.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:19:03 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.

Bit early for you to be on the glue

The copying is funny, you really are an imbecile, how's your fan club going for the intelligent one, you complete embarrassment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Sure they are doing no online teaching as it is and getting full paid.
Online teaching? Who? My older 2 who are in school haven't even any school books at home as they are all kept in the school!
No online teaching happening here, maybe in the north but I couldn't give a fiddlers about the North.

The Unions have the government by the balls, the well being of the kids doesn't come into it, it is pathetic, teaching I was always told was a vocation, maybe I misheard it as it appears to be one long vacation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.

Nail on head, most parents have multiple kids at home in different years and this arsehole wants us to do a fulltime job and the teachers job also. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.

Where to Jim - all schools are closed, and as for trying to meet a teacher or speak to one.  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.

If it's not done across all schools, what do you want me to do.  It was done in my kids' school. 

If not, did you contact the school, teacher in class of if secondary school, the head or form class?  You hear people complaining after 6 weeks of no work...well, wee Tommy got no work this past fortnight.  Oh, did you contact the teacher/school?  Ah, no, couldn't do that.  Just went on the gaa forum and complained  on there.  Ah, great idea!!

By the way, parents are the main educators in a child's life - that's f€*king a fact.

Wind your neck in, teachers are uncontactable, do you teach wee Johnny maths, English, Irish, chemistry, biology, physics etc. etc., parents are not responsible for educating their kids, we pay taxes and these pay professionals to be trained to teach them, if they can't be arsed it is not the parents fault.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.

Where to Jim - all schools are closed, and as for trying to meet a teacher or speak to one.  ::)

No they're not. As far as I know we have children in on Thursday and I am back in from Wednesday. Sounds like the schools near you are useless. Where do you live?

Also, I've been contacting parents on class Dojo this morning to check their children's new passwords. A lot of parents have replied. I hadn't one single complaint throughout the whole of lockdown and I'd be pretty confident this next week will be the same.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
If there is one group who have lost all respectability in this pandemic it's Teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
If there is one group who have lost all respectability in this pandemic it's Teachers.

By a few disgruntled WUMs on the Gaaboard
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
Wife is currently doing the online stuff, just like she did the last time out.. I don't see the issue here, my own kid that's left in school is doing online stuff now..

If they were not given work I'd be at the school. She has exams this year so very important that its done
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.

If it's not done across all schools, what do you want me to do.  It was done in my kids' school. 

If not, did you contact the school, teacher in class of if secondary school, the head or form class?  You hear people complaining after 6 weeks of no work...well, wee Tommy got no work this past fortnight.  Oh, did you contact the teacher/school?  Ah, no, couldn't do that.  Just went on the gaa forum and complained  on there.  Ah, great idea!!

By the way, parents are the main educators in a child's life - that's f€*king a fact.

Wind your neck in, teachers are uncontactable, do you teach wee Johnny maths, English, Irish, chemistry, biology, physics etc. etc., parents are not responsible for educating their kids, we pay taxes and these pay professionals to be trained to teach them, if they can't be arsed it is not the parents fault.

Did you ring the school you muppet?

Did you email the school?

No, never thought of that. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
If there is one group who have lost all respectability in this pandemic it's Teachers.

By a few disgruntled WUMs on the Gaaboard

Nevertheless an important demographic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2021, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
If there is one group who have lost all respectability in this pandemic it's Teachers.

I gave up on teachers during the foot and mouth thing in 2001. It takes a disease/virus to expose these wastards.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.

Where to Jim - all schools are closed, and as for trying to meet a teacher or speak to one.  ::)

No they're not. As far as I know we have children in on Thursday and I am back in from Wednesday. Sounds like the schools near you are useless. Where do you live?

Also, I've been contacting parents on class Dojo this morning to check their children's new passwords. A lot of parents have replied. I hadn't one single complaint throughout the whole of lockdown and I'd be pretty confident this next week will be the same.

You must be a great teacher Jim - there is no denying though their is a large section taking the piss, I have contact with folk all over particularly in Belfast through work the conclusion is the same online learning is minimum at best.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 01:45:42 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences. I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

You know f**k all lad if you think that bit in bold was done across the board. Cheap shot blaming parents for not educating their children and doing the teachers job for them, most parents are trying to work you know if they are lucky enough t o be able to do that from home. Your post sums up a lot of what is wrong in a section of todays teachers.

If it's not done across all schools, what do you want me to do.  It was done in my kids' school. 

If not, did you contact the school, teacher in class of if secondary school, the head or form class?  You hear people complaining after 6 weeks of no work...well, wee Tommy got no work this past fortnight.  Oh, did you contact the teacher/school?  Ah, no, couldn't do that.  Just went on the gaa forum and complained  on there.  Ah, great idea!!

By the way, parents are the main educators in a child's life - that's f€*king a fact.

Wind your neck in, teachers are uncontactable, do you teach wee Johnny maths, English, Irish, chemistry, biology, physics etc. etc., parents are not responsible for educating their kids, we pay taxes and these pay professionals to be trained to teach them, if they can't be arsed it is not the parents fault.

Did you ring the school you muppet?

Did you email the school?

No, never thought of that.

No Marty I was waiting on a ballbag on the GAABOARD to tell me.  Wind your neck in, teachers are taking the piss, so tell me you never answered do you teach your kids all the subjects within school, you are their great educator, out of interest what age are your kids, suspect as your about 20 not that old?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 03:23:22 PM
Online learning is nowhere near the same, its just so bad in many ways-but we are where we are and its better than nothing
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 04, 2021, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 03:01:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 04, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 04, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
Problem is the comparsion from first lock-down - every family had different experiences.  I know work was laid out on a weekly basis, as a menu i.e. pupils could do it or they didn't have to.  It was a matter of choice (by their parents).  From what I heard, I know some did everything, some did a bit and others never even contacted their teachers to say they were still alive!!

Different reasons for that apparently, some parents wanted routine, others wanted to keep them ticking over while other could'nt have care less about the work.  Another issue was some families had only one computer in house and maybe 3 or 4 kids loiking to use it.  Every situation was different.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents - they're the main educators in their kids' life.  Not too hard to print off a few sums and a comprehension every day as well as doing a bit of reading.

People always looking to blame somebody else. 

Spend some time with your kids instead of handing them a f'*king X-Box.

If households only have access to 1 computer I have my doubts they have a printer.

While you seem to be getting very defensive Marty, I can assure you work was not laid out on a weekly basis from my experience.

No doubt everywhere was different - Im not apportioning blame - Im telling you factually what happened in my experience

I'd be going to the principal and if it isn't sorted then consider moving the children.

Where to Jim - all schools are closed, and as for trying to meet a teacher or speak to one.  ::)

No they're not. As far as I know we have children in on Thursday and I am back in from Wednesday. Sounds like the schools near you are useless. Where do you live?

Also, I've been contacting parents on class Dojo this morning to check their children's new passwords. A lot of parents have replied. I hadn't one single complaint throughout the whole of lockdown and I'd be pretty confident this next week will be the same.

You must be a great teacher Jim - there is no denying though their is a large section taking the piss, I have contact with folk all over particularly in Belfast through work the conclusion is the same online learning is minimum at best.

Funnily enough I woke in Belfast, and at other locations throughout the north, and I would say the opposite to you. Also just stuck my head out the window and guess what, the school beside me is open. During the last lockdown there were teachers in everyday. And as for teachers being uncontactable, that's a load of nonsense.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on January 04, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
Scotland schools are shut... UK going the same it looks like there's big pressure on Weir to pull the pin for January.

At the very minimum the transfer tests need to be knocked on the head!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 04, 2021, 03:34:59 PM
That doesn't just apply to schools. It also applies to businesses. The timeliness of making these decisions is horrendous and you wouldn't get away with that kind of planning in any other career.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:36:05 PM
Seany, what would be your ideal for online learning? What would it look like?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 03:43:07 PM
Wife spent the day uploading videos of her topic, they have to use their own voice as it's better for the students to relate to, will be in work all week with online classes. This is followed by answering emails on questions that arise from the lessons, with tests going ahead (as of now, could change)


what sort of schools are not doing this? Secondary? Primary? Catholic? Protestant? Mixed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

My oldest lad is watching my youngest today, no choice, couldn't get near a computer even if he wanted
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I agree with that. But how do you stop the spread then when you have all those children mixing together? I don't want to work from home or have my class off. I personally will be crawling the walls if schools are closed. It's not like it was in May when the weather was great. There is literally nothing to do and being in school is much better for me and the children in my class.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2021, 04:04:40 PM
Let's be honest teachers don't really give one crap about kids when the knock off.
Fire a few sheets for them to do to keep the thing going
It's an extra holiday for teachers if we call a spade a spade. Well most of them anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 04:12:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I agree with that. But how do you stop the spread then when you have all those children mixing together? I don't want to work from home or have my class off. I personally will be crawling the walls if schools are closed. It's not like it was in May when the weather was great. There is literally nothing to do and being in school is much better for me and the children in my class.

You don't stop the spread. How do you stop it in a meat factory? How do you stop it in a food shop? How do you stop it in a hospital? Teachers aren't the only group at risk here. You're a good guy Jim and I know you're honest in what you're saying but Teachers need to stop seeing themselves as being on some sort of imaginary front line. They're in a class room with children not the D-day landings as a poster said earlier. It's a miniscule risk in keeping schools open versus the massive upside.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Yeah I totally get that. This isn't an ideal scenario for students or teachers. They have to mitigate as best as possible. I know in my children's primary school uses bubbles and hygiene is strictly enforced. But it's far easier in primary school. There is no perfect solution.
But I am resigned to the fact that it'll be difficult to open schools in the short term unfortunately.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Yeah I totally get that. This isn't an ideal scenario for students or teachers. They have to mitigate as best as possible. I know in my children's primary school uses bubbles and hygiene is strictly enforced. But it's far easier in primary school. There is no perfect solution.
But I am resigned to the fact that it'll be difficult to open schools in the short term unfortunately.

My thoughts are I want schools back asap as long as it is safe to do so.

However by the same token if there is a complete lockdown on everything bar schools then can you imagine the shit teachers will get if any cases are traced back to schools?

Completely unfair
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 04, 2021, 04:29:05 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Yeah I totally get that. This isn't an ideal scenario for students or teachers. They have to mitigate as best as possible. I know in my children's primary school uses bubbles and hygiene is strictly enforced. But it's far easier in primary school. There is no perfect solution.
But I am resigned to the fact that it'll be difficult to open schools in the short term unfortunately.

My thoughts are I want schools back asap as long as it is safe to do so.

However by the same token if there is a complete lockdown on everything bar schools then can you imagine the shit teachers will get if any cases are traced back to schools?

Completely unfair

That would be. I don't think blaming schools or teachers for cases is fair in any scenario.
What do you mean by "safe to do so"? No cases at all? Have you a potential case threshold that would be acceptable? Or it is physical infrastructure for want of a better description? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:47:40 PM
We have over a third of the school coming back on Thursday and that figure will rise so it might not make much difference to us this time. Most of our parents are key workers so it'll end up nearly full capacity and a normal day's teaching. My school is a small school and I feel the children are pretty safe. A school a few mile down the road in the local town has been hit quite hard with positive cases though. Every school and every situation will be different.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:47:40 PM
We have over a third of the school coming back on Thursday and that figure will rise so it might not make much difference to us this time. Most of our parents are key workers so it'll end up nearly full capacity and a normal day's teaching. My school is a small school and I feel the children are pretty safe. A school a few mile down the road in the local town has been hit quite hard with positive cases though. Every school and every situation will be different.

Will they be doing a bronze statue or a gold one Jim?

I think a bronze one will make you look better
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 04:47:40 PM
We have over a third of the school coming back on Thursday and that figure will rise so it might not make much difference to us this time. Most of our parents are key workers so it'll end up nearly full capacity and a normal day's teaching. My school is a small school and I feel the children are pretty safe. A school a few mile down the road in the local town has been hit quite hard with positive cases though. Every school and every situation will be different.

Will they be doing a bronze statue or a gold one Jim?

I think a bronze one will make you look better

I don't need a statue. The Rock is going to play me in the movie. That's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2021, 05:14:01 PM
Looks like dry January fcuked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 05:14:53 PM
Give us our taxes back!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 04, 2021, 05:21:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

That's not a lot of difference from schools being open. Lots of kids have great learning experiences. Lots don't. Lots get neglected. Either in school or at home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
Couldn't have been wile pile on line teaching done today if this thread is a reflection of things
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
Couldn't have been wile pile on line teaching done today if this thread is a reflection of things

Or parent teaching, parents would rather be on Twitter FB and the board by all accounts
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 05:29:38 PM
Couldn't have been wile pile on line teaching done today if this thread is a reflection of things

Or parent teaching, parents would rather be on Twitter FB and the board by all accounts

Wish I could have been home tbh
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:52:37 PM
Looks like school closures for January in England & Scotland,  wee 6 next to be closed. Weir will be in big difficulties now regarding transfer tests!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?

How do you know they aren't being followed - it's also a reference to Nolanesque statistical analysis.

How many school pupils were covid +ve? How many have had to isolate?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
So do we reckon the schools will open or not on Monday? Cabinet meeting on Wednesday apparently but that's leaving it late for those of us who are self employed and will have to cancel jobs if we have to stay at home with kids. Heard Minister for Education Norma Foley earlier saying they are opening but I have my doubts.
My eldest also has a full time SNA in school. He is going to be completely out of routine now if schools stay shut  which won't help him, hopefully something is in place for that. There was absolutely no help for him during the first school closure back in March.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
So do we reckon the schools will open or not on Monday? Cabinet meeting on Wednesday apparently but that's leaving it late for those of us who are self employed and will have to cancel jobs if we have to stay at home with kids. Heard Minister for Education Norma Foley earlier saying they are opening but I have my doubts.
My eldest also has a full time SNA in school. He is going to be completely out of routine now if schools stay shut  which won't help him, hopefully something is in place for that. There was absolutely no help for him during the first school closure back in March.

I would say they'll extend hols another week due to all the whinging. Yet you, me, the shop keepers, nurses etc will go to work as normal. Some will lose their jobs as they'll have to stay at home to take care of their kids. Some kids will get a good online tutoring from their teacher and some will get zero from their teacher and it will make no difference to either set of teachers who will both get same full pay. Thats what I predict will happen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?

How do you know they aren't being followed - it's also a reference to Nolanesque statistical analysis.

How many school pupils were covid +ve? How many have had to isolate?

Have a walk past any school yard at lunchtime to see what procedures are being followed.

Is every single desk/door handle etc being sanitised when post primary school pupils switch class?

Are kids sitting beside pupils from different classes on the way to/from school?

I dont blame teachers at all for this but it seems that you are saying schools are safe and the virus wont be transmitted between students.

Seems every every government in the UK disagree with you as well
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?

How do you know they aren't being followed - it's also a reference to Nolanesque statistical analysis.

How many school pupils were covid +ve? How many have had to isolate?

Have a walk past any school yard at lunchtime to see what procedures are being followed.

Is every single desk/door handle etc being sanitised when post primary school pupils switch class?

Are kids sitting beside pupils from different classes on the way to/from school?

I dont blame teachers at all for this but it seems that you are saying schools are safe and the virus wont be transmitted between students.

Seems every every government in the UK disagree with you as well

No where is safe,  you think someone can give you certainty your work is safe then you are in dreamland. But partitions, sanitisers, doors that can be opened and closed by elbow and a range of other things can reduce risk. You think nurses are safe heading to work every day or shop keepers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 04, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
So do we reckon the schools will open or not on Monday? Cabinet meeting on Wednesday apparently but that's leaving it late for those of us who are self employed and will have to cancel jobs if we have to stay at home with kids. Heard Minister for Education Norma Foley earlier saying they are opening but I have my doubts.
My eldest also has a full time SNA in school. He is going to be completely out of routine now if schools stay shut  which won't help him, hopefully something is in place for that. There was absolutely no help for him during the first school closure back in March.

I would say they'll extend hols another week due to all the whinging. Yet you, me, the shop keepers, nurses etc will go to work as normal. Some will lose their jobs as they'll have to stay at home to take care of their kids. Some kids will get a good online tutoring from their teacher and some will get zero from their teacher and it will make no difference to either set of teachers who will both get same full pay. Thats what I predict will happen.

This is what will happen. The so called lower paid workers will be the ones who will have to work, us that have no voice or no unions. It will be the working classes who bear the proportional brunt of infections ( of course there will be exceptions ), the shop workers, taxi drivers , factory workers, site men/women
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.

Wait and see what Arlene says lol
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.

Wait and see what Arlene says lol

Who's going to play your wife in the movie btw? She's another hero.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.

Wait and see what Arlene says lol

Who's going to play your wife in the movie btw? She's another hero.

I was thinking Sandra bullock, I'd need to give Sandra some tips so she can get into character
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Some teachers! And no accountability for those that don't. Do you agree with that or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Hopefully I didn't make any of those sweeping statements, I'm not at all frustrated with teachers, I'm frustrated though at the help they got to facilitate continued safe learning in school setting
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Some teachers! And no accountability for those that don't. Do you agree with that or am I wrong?

There are certain topics which can't really be done, practical courses, PE, the rest, as far as I'm concerned (as my youngest has been through the first lockdown and will go through this one) is being done, and I've seen the effort my wife is putting into hers, she'll be in work developing video tuition lessons.

If the teachers are not doing it then contact your head teachers and inspectors..

As I said a teacher has no control on it, that comes from management, which needs to be monitored, by the same token those said teachers will (if they have kids) need to home school on top of their own work..

I can only give you my experience on it,
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 04, 2021, 10:53:31 PM
Right what's going on ?
11 plus/ GCSEs still going ahead in the next 7 days ?
It's ridiculous they have not clarified that.
Alot of schools have yr 11s and 12s in tomorrow for face to face teaching.

At secondary level Weir managed to get all current yr 14 and yr 12 pupils on Free School Meals (FSM) an electronic device which is a great help.
I think at primary level he has managed to sort out P4 and P7 who have FSM status
But there are still 5 year groups at each level who have not been sorted yet.
Is this going to be sorted this week ?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: balladmaker on January 04, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Local primary school took today for teachers to 'prepare home schooling' for remainder of the week and weeks ahead .... that preparation resulted in three website links ... here ye go boys and girls, click these links and we'll see you in a month or two.  This and the last school year is a write off with exception of what parents are able to do with the child at home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?

How do you know they aren't being followed - it's also a reference to Nolanesque statistical analysis.

How many school pupils were covid +ve? How many have had to isolate?

Have a walk past any school yard at lunchtime to see what procedures are being followed.

Is every single desk/door handle etc being sanitised when post primary school pupils switch class?

Are kids sitting beside pupils from different classes on the way to/from school?

I dont blame teachers at all for this but it seems that you are saying schools are safe and the virus wont be transmitted between students.

Seems every every government in the UK disagree with you as well

You can see this all from the roadside ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 04, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Local primary school took today for teachers to 'prepare home schooling' for remainder of the week and weeks ahead .... that preparation resulted in three website links ... here ye go boys and girls, click these links and we'll see you in a month or two.  This and the last school year is a write off with exception of what parents are able to do with the child at home.

So is it the teachers fault or management?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Some teachers! And no accountability for those that don't. Do you agree with that or am I wrong?

There are certain topics which can't really be done, practical courses, PE, the rest, as far as I'm concerned (as my youngest has been through the first lockdown and will go through this one) is being done, and I've seen the effort my wife is putting into hers, she'll be in work developing video tuition lessons.

If the teachers are not doing it then contact your head teachers and inspectors..

As I said a teacher has no control on it, that comes from management, which needs to be monitored, by the same token those said teachers will (if they have kids) need to home school on top of their own work..

I can only give you my experience on it,

I dont doubt you that your wife and many other teachers will go the extra mile. But I can tell you in the South at least there is zero and i mean totally zero accountability for teachers who will do little or nothing in the next few weeks. You can ring inspectors and management till the cows come home  , absolutely nothing will be done. Bar murder a pupil in the south they are untouchable. Thats the sad state of affairs and they have one of the most important jobs around. Id hope that the majority would do their patriotic duty in this crisis and do what they can to educate our young but I know quite a lot will see this as another fully deserved holiday. Thats my personal experience with 1 child in secondary and 2 in primary school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 04, 2021, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 04, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Local primary school took today for teachers to 'prepare home schooling' for remainder of the week and weeks ahead .... that preparation resulted in three website links ... here ye go boys and girls, click these links and we'll see you in a month or two.  This and the last school year is a write off with exception of what parents are able to do with the child at home.

So is it the teachers fault or management?

Did you complain to the Principal or the Chair of Governors, during the first lockdown?
If a school hasn't improved its provision from the first lockdown, then it cant be up to much and you need to complain. ( although if a rural area - that can be a problem!)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 04, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Some teachers! And no accountability for those that don't. Do you agree with that or am I wrong?

There are certain topics which can't really be done, practical courses, PE, the rest, as far as I'm concerned (as my youngest has been through the first lockdown and will go through this one) is being done, and I've seen the effort my wife is putting into hers, she'll be in work developing video tuition lessons.

If the teachers are not doing it then contact your head teachers and inspectors..

As I said a teacher has no control on it, that comes from management, which needs to be monitored, by the same token those said teachers will (if they have kids) need to home school on top of their own work..

I can only give you my experience on it,

I dont doubt you that your wife and many other teachers will go the extra mile. But I can tell you in the South at least there is zero and i mean totally zero accountability for teachers who will do little or nothing in the next few weeks. You can ring inspectors and management till the cows come home  , absolutely nothing will be done. Bar murder a pupil in the south they are untouchable. Thats the sad state of affairs and they have one of the most important jobs around. Id hope that the majority would do their patriotic duty in this crisis and do what they can to educate our young but I know quite a lot will see this as another fully deserved holiday. Thats my personal experience with 1 child in secondary and 2 in primary school.
How did you find your own education?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 05, 2021, 08:27:05 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 06:01:43 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 04, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 04, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
The minister and the department don't seem to realise that we parents have to make arrangements. Living on a day to day basis, is the school open? closed? arranging childcare, booking time off work, sorting out online classes, etc, etc it's tiring and fills parents with anxiety. Parents need to know. And Teachers need to help this time unlike the last time when they treated it as an early summer holiday.

If the cases keep going up what do you recommend?

Make Teachers redundant and send them to the fields to pick fruit and vegetables.
Honestly if the numbers keep rising I can't see Schools reopening. I don't agree with it but I think that is what'll happen. The disparity becomes huge. Some children will have wonderful online learning experiences and others won't. Some children will suffer huge neglect. That's the truth of it.
My own view is that every other avenue should be exhausted before closing schools. Curfews put in place. Strict work from home. Only 1 outing a day exercise or shops. No mixing. And it needs to be enforced.

I take your point trailer however if we are doing all of the above and still opening schools then the onus will very firmly fall on schools and I mean really fall onto schools.
Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

Complete Bull.....
You belong on the Nolan show

Is that directed at my point or what part of the thread?

"Class bubbles, walking around corridors, sanatising etc etc - very few of these are actually being properly followed in schools

You are saying they are strictly being followed in all schools?

How do you know they aren't being followed - it's also a reference to Nolanesque statistical analysis.

How many school pupils were covid +ve? How many have had to isolate?

Have a walk past any school yard at lunchtime to see what procedures are being followed.

Is every single desk/door handle etc being sanitised when post primary school pupils switch class?

Are kids sitting beside pupils from different classes on the way to/from school?

I dont blame teachers at all for this but it seems that you are saying schools are safe and the virus wont be transmitted between students.

Seems every every government in the UK disagree with you as well

You can see this all from the roadside ?

Great debating skills.

If that is the best answer you can come up with then best we move on
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 04, 2021, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on January 04, 2021, 11:03:29 PM
Local primary school took today for teachers to 'prepare home schooling' for remainder of the week and weeks ahead .... that preparation resulted in three website links ... here ye go boys and girls, click these links and we'll see you in a month or two.  This and the last school year is a write off with exception of what parents are able to do with the child at home.

So is it the teachers fault or management?

And in the real world, I have complained as has the parents committee - they have the backings of the Unions, they can do what they want - or in this case do absolutely nothing.

Did you complain to the Principal or the Chair of Governors, during the first lockdown?
If a school hasn't improved its provision from the first lockdown, then it cant be up to much and you need to complain. ( although if a rural area - that can be a problem!)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.

Wait and see what Arlene says lol

Who's going to play your wife in the movie btw? She's another hero.

This attitude sums up teachers during this, always trying to be the smart arse, feck the kids eh Jim!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 08:47:45 AM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 04, 2021, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

I'm not back until Wednesday MR. Will have to get up at 8.55 tomorrow and get myself used to the early starts again.

Wait and see what Arlene says lol

Who's going to play your wife in the movie btw? She's another hero.

This attitude sums up teachers during this, always trying to be the smart arse, feck the kids eh Jim!

??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2021, 08:48:00 AM
How else is the guy meant to converse with people like you??

Logic doesn't seem to work so what else is there!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: restorepride on January 04, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2021, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 04, 2021, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2021, 09:42:40 PM
Doctors nurses will be paid, hospital managers, directors will also be working...

People in essential jobs will be working, plenty high paying jobs working.

Wife only finished her prep at 9 tonight, working longer now!

I'm sure Jim is still working

Yeah i know, my Mrs is a nurse and worked in covid ward from the start, none of her colleagues got covid, well over 100 of us in the factory did,that's the difference. It's same across the world, we were given no protection,as you know I had it mysel

I know it's not cut and dry, but proportionally...

None of it is fair, but there's some sweeping statements about a profession that haven't had a choice, the government has closed the schools, the government opened the schools, the schools are not prepared for online tuition, some are thinking on their feet and doing their best. Others, like many jobs that may have taken the piss during furlough.. but teachers are following what their managers principals and government have told them what to do..

Some teachers! And no accountability for those that don't. Do you agree with that or am I wrong?

There are certain topics which can't really be done, practical courses, PE, the rest, as far as I'm concerned (as my youngest has been through the first lockdown and will go through this one) is being done, and I've seen the effort my wife is putting into hers, she'll be in work developing video tuition lessons.

If the teachers are not doing it then contact your head teachers and inspectors..

As I said a teacher has no control on it, that comes from management, which needs to be monitored, by the same token those said teachers will (if they have kids) need to home school on top of their own work..

I can only give you my experience on it,

I dont doubt you that your wife and many other teachers will go the extra mile. But I can tell you in the South at least there is zero and i mean totally zero accountability for teachers who will do little or nothing in the next few weeks. You can ring inspectors and management till the cows come home  , absolutely nothing will be done. Bar murder a pupil in the south they are untouchable. Thats the sad state of affairs and they have one of the most important jobs around. Id hope that the majority would do their patriotic duty in this crisis and do what they can to educate our young but I know quite a lot will see this as another fully deserved holiday. Thats my personal experience with 1 child in secondary and 2 in primary school.
How did you find your own education?

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !

No I am talking about teachers, primary ones can bluff a bit better, hard not to fail sending a child home to do a bit of colouring in!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 12:14:09 PM
What would expect or like with the online learning, Seany? Why don't you just send the children to school? Half of our children will be in on Thursday anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?

I'm not back in until tomorrow but I got up before 10 today to get myself prepared to go to war.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 05, 2021, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?

I'm not back in until tomorrow but I got up before 10 today to get myself prepared to go to war.

;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 05, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?

I'm not back in until tomorrow but I got up before 10 today to get myself prepared to go to war.

We will fight them in playgrounds and the foyer, we will fight them in classroom and the store cupboard. We shall fight with our handouts and the photocopiers, we will never surrender!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?

I'm not back in until tomorrow but I got up before 10 today to get myself prepared to go to war.
The Rock famously gets up at about 4am for a gym session, so this could be his toughest acting gig yet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 05, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !

No I am talking about teachers, primary ones can bluff a bit better, hard not to fail sending a child home to do a bit of colouring in!

You do know that colouring in has a vital part to play in a young child's fine motor skills, which improves that pencil grip and handwriting skills and consequently will improve their reading skills.
Now 100 such pages a week ...is too much !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on January 05, 2021, 02:46:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
I think it's time teachers started to even up the score on engagement to online learning and projecting this on to terrible parenting.

Joe Madden 11B hasn't been online in 4 days. Parents yet to return calls or emails.
History - Bullet point summary on the Battle of Ypres incomplete.
Maths - Only submitted answers to half the questions on Cumulative frequency w/sheet last week.
Irish - Had to write 8 sentences on advantages of living in the city - instead resubmitted his paragraph about his best friend from October.
English - summary on Of Mice and Men consisted of "George shoots Lennie".

Terrible parenting - they just don't give a fiddlers. Yet, there's no accountability. There is no difference made between parents who do care and parents who don't. Joe should be in care at this stage.

On a brighter note, Joe has been elevated to Terminator status on Fortnite
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 05, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !

No I am talking about teachers, primary ones can bluff a bit better, hard not to fail sending a child home to do a bit of colouring in!

You do know that colouring in has a vital part to play in a young child's fine motor skills, which improves that pencil grip and handwriting skills and consequently will improve their reading skills.
Now 100 such pages a week ...is too much !

UUJ give out degrees in colouring in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
How did you find getting up early this morning Jim?

I'm not back in until tomorrow but I got up before 10 today to get myself prepared to go to war.
The Rock famously gets up at about 4am for a gym session, so this could be his toughest acting gig yet.

They tried to get me to do that but I got my Union onto them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 05, 2021, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !

No I am talking about teachers, primary ones can bluff a bit better, hard not to fail sending a child home to do a bit of colouring in!

You do know that colouring in has a vital part to play in a young child's fine motor skills, which improves that pencil grip and handwriting skills and consequently will improve their reading skills.
Now 100 such pages a week ...is too much !

UUJ give out degrees in colouring in.

Some would need to get the GCSE first.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2021, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 12:03:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 05, 2021, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 09:30:42 AM

I am not sure of the relevance of that. However, when my kids went to school I had assumed that education would be in a better place. I was actually amazed to see it wasnt. When I was in school there were some great teachers, inspirational teachers. There were also some that should never have been let near children. I got the head bet off me a number of times in primary school for example. I had teachers in secondary school that werent bothered and couldnt have given a shit how we did. 20 years later I can still see the same. The bottom line is, thanks to school unions and weak government, these same types of characters can work away in comfort as teachers and they cannot be touched. You can complain to whoever you like, it is pointless and that is a fact and every teacher out there (in the south at least) knows that. Since these characters have got away with this for so long why would we expect them to step up now when the country needs them to.

Ditto to the North, so much for a vocation - it's equivalent to the Norths Civil Servants for dead untouchable wood!

You must be talking about secondary schools !

No I am talking about teachers, primary ones can bluff a bit better, hard not to fail sending a child home to do a bit of colouring in!

You do know that colouring in has a vital part to play in a young child's fine motor skills, which improves that pencil grip and handwriting skills and consequently will improve their reading skills.
Now 100 such pages a week ...is too much !

UUJ give out degrees in colouring in.

Only with crayons though!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
I think it's time teachers started to even up the score on engagement to online learning and projecting this on to terrible parenting.

Joe Madden 11B hasn't been online in 4 days. Parents yet to return calls or emails.
History - Bullet point summary on the Battle of Ypres incomplete.
Maths - Only submitted answers to half the questions on Cumulative frequency w/sheet last week.
Irish - Had to write 8 sentences on advantages of living in the city - instead resubmitted his paragraph about his best friend from October.
English - summary on Of Mice and Men consisted of "George shoots Lennie".

Terrible parenting - they just don't give a fiddlers. Yet, there's no accountability. There is no difference made between parents who do care and parents who don't. Joe should be in care at this stage.

Teachers gets paid, its their job, their profession. Do you understand the difference? They should certainly feedback to parents if kids are not doing their homework, that is also their job. The biggest laugh of all is that many teachers don't seem to get this. You are doing a job lads, not doing us a favour.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 04:01:47 PM
Everyone gets it. Many parents resent having to look after their own children for even one extra day. So they're just having a big whinge.

One day doesn't mean you lose your job, you can take it as hols. Having to stay at home for a month could lose you your job and many parents dont have a cushy number that pays them to stay at home.

I'm going to document the performance of my 3 kids teachers starting next week. My daughter has just told me her history teacher wont be sending any work home for her because she cannot use email and she would normally need her own daughter to help her but she is not allowed visit. So no history teacher for a month.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2021, 05:20:46 PM
Brother in law a teacher in a school in Co Down, just been told he isn't back until 25 January on a "rota", put a few things on Google classroom and he's laughing. Why can't the schools do a full timetable remotely on Google Meets or whatever ? Unions I'm assuming
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 05, 2021, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 04:01:47 PM
Everyone gets it. Many parents resent having to look after their own children for even one extra day. So they're just having a big whinge.

One day doesn't mean you lose your job, you can take it as hols. Having to stay at home for a month could lose you your job and many parents dont have a cushy number that pays them to stay at home.

I'm going to document the performance of my 3 kids teachers starting next week. My daughter has just told me her history teacher wont be sending any work home for her because she cannot use email and she would normally need her own daughter to help her but she is not allowed visit. So no history teacher for a month.

So there is no work set by the history teacher - I think you - youd need to check with the Head of history  Department/ school that it is factually correct.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
A person's children getting in the way of their job is literally nobody else's problem. Deal with it.

As for this bullshit about the history teacher - it is so straightforward to sort out that it isn't even worth discussing.

Have a bit of gumption, phone the school and nip the problems in the bud. It would be much more beneficial than "documenting performance" and whinging on here.

You really have no f**king clue have you. Not a notion.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Why not just send your kids to school? Sure everyone is more or less on the key worker list.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
A person's children getting in the way of their job is literally nobody else's problem. Deal with it.

As for this bullshit about the history teacher - it is so straightforward to sort out that it isn't even worth discussing.

Have a bit of gumption, phone the school and nip the problems in the bud. It would be much more beneficial than "documenting performance" and whinging on here.

You really have no f**king clue have you. Not a notion.
I do. I have every clue. You are making ridiculous stuff up. It just wouldn't be let slide.

So now you are calling me a liar. Fine. Well if you think this stuff is rare in the south at least you are sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 06:01:28 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
A person's children getting in the way of their job is literally nobody else's problem. Deal with it.

As for this bullshit about the history teacher - it is so straightforward to sort out that it isn't even worth discussing.

Have a bit of gumption, phone the school and nip the problems in the bud. It would be much more beneficial than "documenting performance" and whinging on here.

You really have no f**king clue have you. Not a notion.
I do. I have every clue. You are making ridiculous stuff up. It just wouldn't be let slide.

So now you are calling me a liar. Fine. Well if you think this stuff is rare in the south at least you are sadly mistaken.
If you believe that it would be tolerated for one second that your daughter's class will not be getting any history work for a month because her teacher can't work email, then quite simply it's you that hasn't "a f**king notion". It's a pile of balls.

I'm being told by a fella in antrim how things are in my local school now. You've no idea the sort of incompetence that is tolerated in schools down here and if any of the teachers in the south had the balls to speak up they'd back me up on this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
You are simply chatting shite.

Aye good man. Are you a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
11 plus back on.
Single test .
End of February.
Keep them off for 2 months and then throw them into a transfer test.
Weir is an absolute genius.......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 05, 2021, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
11 plus back on.
Single test .
End of February.
Keep them off for 2 months and then throw them into a transfer test.
Weir is an absolute genius.......

Couldn't make it up!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2021, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 05, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
You are simply chatting shite.

Aye good man. Are you a teacher?

Come on lad, don't go quiet now. Are you a teacher? Are you a parent? Come on now a bit of gumption and answer the question.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 05, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Why not just send your kids to school? Sure everyone is more or less on the key worker list.
Schools are closed how can we send them?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 07:55:45 PM
It gets better .

The gcse and a-level exams situation not resolved by ministers tonight - @moneillsf says she hopes @peterweirmla can clarify that tomorrow. Btecs due to take place tomorrow at this stage going ahead - 4 Executive ministers set to appear in assembly tomorrow to give statements
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2021, 07:57:49 PM
You think you have seen it all with incompetence then they go and surprise you again.

Weir is absolutely useless.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on January 05, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
Stormont really is an amateur set up. MLAs spoofing away on Twitter, absolutely useless they are.
"It's better than the bad old days" is wearing thin after all these years of bickering, indecision and incompetence.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 09:06:18 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 05, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Why not just send your kids to school? Sure everyone is more or less on the key worker list.
Schools are closed how can we send them?

Do you not allow key worker children to attend in the south?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
11 plus back on.
Single test .
End of February.
Keep them off for 2 months and then throw them into a transfer test.
Weir is an absolute genius.......

Not for the taig schools though?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 05, 2021, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 09:06:18 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 05, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 05, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Why not just send your kids to school? Sure everyone is more or less on the key worker list.
Schools are closed how can we send them?

Do you not allow key worker children to attend in the south?
No.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Seaney on January 05, 2021, 09:35:31 PM
Only winners here is lazy inept teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers

Not really. They're all useless.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers

Not really. They're all useless.
Parents and teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 05, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers

Not really. They're all useless.
Parents and teachers?

And the kids
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2021, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on January 05, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
Stormont really is an amateur set up. MLAs spoofing away on Twitter, absolutely useless they are.
"It's better than the bad old days" is wearing thin after all these years of bickering, indecision and incompetence.

It is beyond dysfunctional . It isn't fit for purpose at all.

Agreed fear.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers

Not really. They're all useless.
Parents and teachers?

Every single one. All useless.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 05, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
11 plus back on.
Single test .
End of February.
Keep them off for 2 months and then throw them into a transfer test.
Weir is an absolute genius.......

Not for the taig schools though?

Cancelled for the taig schools apparently.
Sure as Edwin said, themuns are carrying it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 05, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on January 05, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
Stormont really is an amateur set up. MLAs spoofing away on Twitter, absolutely useless they are.
"It's better than the bad old days" is wearing thin after all these years of bickering, indecision and incompetence.

Next time round make sure you don't vote for them. Try it, things can't be worse.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2021, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on January 05, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
Stormont really is an amateur set up. MLAs spoofing away on Twitter, absolutely useless they are.
"It's better than the bad old days" is wearing thin after all these years of bickering, indecision and incompetence.

Next time round make sure you don't vote for them. Try it, things can't be worse.

That's the plan
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So GCSE''s and A level exams scrapped for the year?

But we are still doing the AQE transfer tests at the end of Feb..

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 06, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So GCSE''s and A level exams scrapped for the year?

But we are still doing the AQE transfer tests at the end of Feb..

Why should  exam kids go back to school when schools open again?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 06, 2021, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 06, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
So GCSE''s and A level exams scrapped for the year?

But we are still doing the AQE transfer tests at the end of Feb..

Why should  exam kids go back to school when schools open again?

To get coursework completed , so that the school can allocate a grade for them - from A* downwards
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Windmill abu on January 06, 2021, 02:03:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 05, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 05, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 05, 2021, 09:41:04 PM
A lot of unfair comments on here relating to both parents and teachers

Not really. They're all useless.
Parents and teachers?

Every single one. All useless.

The married ones must be OK.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 06, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
So with exams cancelled I assume teaching in schools at GCSE and A-Level is all but finished up?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 06, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
Finally an announcement. Schools to close for rest of month,Leaving Cert students to go to school 3 days a week.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 06, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
So with exams cancelled I assume teaching in schools at GCSE and A-Level is all but finished up?
I'd imagine, or they may want kids to finish the studies as they will be (GCSE) moving up to upper 6th

But certainly the 1st years would need to finish their studies going forward, and so on with the other years..

I'd hope that they sort out the method for grading well before the grades are handed out, unlike last year when it was a bit of a disaster
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on January 06, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 06, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
So with exams cancelled I assume teaching in schools at GCSE and A-Level is all but finished up?
I'd imagine, or they may want kids to finish the studies as they will be (GCSE) moving up to upper 6th

But certainly the 1st years would need to finish their studies going forward, and so on with the other years..

I'd hope that they sort out the method for grading well before the grades are handed out, unlike last year when it was a bit of a disaster

GCSE & A'level students (when they get back into the classroom) will face numerous tests/assignments to give the teachers the evidence that they need to come up with an accurate grade. Most schools have been doing this already. Weir said, a couple of months ago, that he was concerned that schools were over testing students due to fears that there would be no exams, while stating that the exams would definitely go ahead.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 06, 2021, 06:34:54 PM
Quote from: Estimator on January 06, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 06, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
So with exams cancelled I assume teaching in schools at GCSE and A-Level is all but finished up?
I'd imagine, or they may want kids to finish the studies as they will be (GCSE) moving up to upper 6th

But certainly the 1st years would need to finish their studies going forward, and so on with the other years..

I'd hope that they sort out the method for grading well before the grades are handed out, unlike last year when it was a bit of a disaster

GCSE & A'level students (when they get back into the classroom) will face numerous tests/assignments to give the teachers the evidence that they need to come up with an accurate grade. Most schools have been doing this already. Weir said, a couple of months ago, that he was concerned that schools were over testing students due to fears that there would be no exams, while stating that the exams would definitely go ahead.

Can only speak for my own school
We have less data than last year.
We would have had GCSE modular results from year 11.
They didn't happen in June so are not there.
We were suppose to have year 12 mocks in December. Didn't happen due to Covid cases in the year group.  We also have had several clusters of pupils having to self isolate throughout the year .
In my opinion we have less data to work with this year than we did last year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 06, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
(https://i.insider.com/5ea8334df242ab0fd96c9897?width=1136&format=jpeg)

First day back and I've already got the 1000 yard stare.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2021, 09:41:31 PM
I beeped my horn at 8pm for you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 07, 2021, 12:29:23 AM
Still a good decision [by Mr Wier(d)] and earlier than the last academic year, which is to be welcomed.   Now down to teacher integrity, which in some schools was in short supply last year. 

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on January 07, 2021, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: Estimator on January 06, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2021, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 06, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
So with exams cancelled I assume teaching in schools at GCSE and A-Level is all but finished up?
I'd imagine, or they may want kids to finish the studies as they will be (GCSE) moving up to upper 6th

But certainly the 1st years would need to finish their studies going forward, and so on with the other years..

I'd hope that they sort out the method for grading well before the grades are handed out, unlike last year when it was a bit of a disaster

GCSE & A'level students (when they get back into the classroom) will face numerous tests/assignments to give the teachers the evidence that they need to come up with an accurate grade. Most schools have been doing this already. Weir said, a couple of months ago, that he was concerned that schools were over testing students due to fears that there would be no exams, while stating that the exams would definitely go ahead.

My wee lad who's only in Yr11 was being tested constantly when they went back in September and it seems with good reason.

Weir seems to get this monumentally wrong time and time again so much so you'd think he's working to an agenda as blindly following the morons in London doesn't even seem to make sense either.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
I seen the following tweet from Jayne McCormack (BBC) earlier:

"The social engineering being put forward by Sinn Fein, the Sdlp and alliance party has to stop," - @DUPleader
doesn't rule out deploying cross-community vote tomorrow if SF call a vote on the transfer test, and she hopes UUP would "see the need to protect academic selection"


Why would unionists be more inclined to retain academic selection? I had assumed nationalists (with pressure from CCMS) would have had more affinity to academic selection and the retention of grammar schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 07, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
What do teachers here think about the plans in the south? i.e. everyone off except LC students

It seems like a reasonably decent solution to me (albeit quite rushed but that's understandable given the circumstances) - the schools should be pretty quiet with only 1/6 of the students so the risk should be greatly reduced.     
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 07, 2021, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
What do teachers here think about the plans in the south? i.e. everyone off except LC students

It seems like a reasonably decent solution to me (albeit quite rushed but that's understandable given the circumstances) - the schools should be pretty quiet with only 1/6 of the students so the risk should be greatly reduced.   

Calls teachers bluff, as you'd imagine quite a few would have to go to work now and a 2m social distance etc would be easily observed. But will the teachers union agree, will they fcuk
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Will all students 'report' for work?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Will all students 'report' for work?

All her students that have computers will be ...

Emails on topics and explanations on topics

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 08:24:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

I'd say there would be big variation across the board alright
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 07, 2021, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
What do teachers here think about the plans in the south? i.e. everyone off except LC students

It seems like a reasonably decent solution to me (albeit quite rushed but that's understandable given the circumstances) - the schools should be pretty quiet with only 1/6 of the students so the risk should be greatly reduced.   
Not happening now for the Leaving Cert students.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 07, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Another hero!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on January 07, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Yeah my kids have to do that. We also got some sort of notification from teachers tonight via Google that they are going to email weekly progress reports for each child.
I have to say it's been Impressive the work that they are doing remotely. They are in a grammar school.
Kids in primary getting daily tasks via class Dojo. Enough to keep them going about 3 to 4 hours a day. Can't complain there either.

I do know people who are having a completely different experience though and from what I see on here it seems to be inconsistent.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 07, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Another hero!

Bullock has been on zoom lately, getting into character
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 07, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
We're getting our p4 kids stuff all on line now. No written packs. Is that the case with most? Both of us working from home so very hard to monitor the online work in comparison to written, were you can go back through what they've done when you get a few minutes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2021, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 07, 2021, 09:42:46 PM
We're getting our p4 kids stuff all on line now. No written packs. Is that the case with most? Both of us working from home so very hard to monitor the online work in comparison to written, were you can go back through what they've done when you get a few minutes.

My young fella is in P4 and we have to collect written packs on Monday, he has been doing online stuff today and tomorrow on MS Teams and Seesaw, it's going to be a domination of online and written packs.

My daughter is at St Dominics and she follows her timetable with teachers live streaming the classes to them, probably the best option but not too common from what I have heard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Yeah my kids have to do that. We also got some sort of notification from teachers tonight via Google that they are going to email weekly progress reports for each child.
I have to say it's been Impressive the work that they are doing remotely. They are in a grammar school.
Kids in primary getting daily tasks via class Dojo. Enough to keep them going about 3 to 4 hours a day. Can't complain there either.

I do know people who are having a completely different experience though and from what I see on here it seems to be inconsistent.

Who is doing the 3-4 hours work with the young ones? Honest question
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Yeah my kids have to do that. We also got some sort of notification from teachers tonight via Google that they are going to email weekly progress reports for each child.
I have to say it's been Impressive the work that they are doing remotely. They are in a grammar school.
Kids in primary getting daily tasks via class Dojo. Enough to keep them going about 3 to 4 hours a day. Can't complain there either.

I do know people who are having a completely different experience though and from what I see on here it seems to be inconsistent.

Who is doing the 3-4 hours work with the young ones? Honest question

Are you talking parents or teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Yeah my kids have to do that. We also got some sort of notification from teachers tonight via Google that they are going to email weekly progress reports for each child.
I have to say it's been Impressive the work that they are doing remotely. They are in a grammar school.
Kids in primary getting daily tasks via class Dojo. Enough to keep them going about 3 to 4 hours a day. Can't complain there either.

I do know people who are having a completely different experience though and from what I see on here it seems to be inconsistent.

Who is doing the 3-4 hours work with the young ones? Honest question

Are you talking parents or teachers?

Parents, if parents are at work and children with big brothers or sisters or grandparents or childminder, who does the Dojo work?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
That's why you marry a teacher...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
That's why you marry a teacher...

Always had a thing for teachers myself
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 07, 2021, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
That's why you marry a teacher...

Always had a thing for teachers myself
And I thought you had moved on to better whiskey than that.

  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on January 08, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
P5 & P3 stuff all online - Teams and Seesaw. 
Collected a set of textbooks/resources for the P5 yesterday, the teacher will be detailing the work through Teams.  In terms of marking the work the teacher, will ask for specific pieces to be sent back via the apps for marking.
Just like the previous lockdown the school have been very good and producing online resources, video instructions and messages for the students in the class.  And the teachers have responded to questions/queries very quickly.
They are also quick to point out that parents shouldn't feel under pressure to cover all the work being sent out and that it doesn't all need printed out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 08, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: Estimator on January 08, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
P5 & P3 stuff all online - Teams and Seesaw. 
Collected a set of textbooks/resources for the P5 yesterday, the teacher will be detailing the work through Teams.  In terms of marking the work the teacher, will ask for specific pieces to be sent back via the apps for marking.
Just like the previous lockdown the school have been very good and producing online resources, video instructions and messages for the students in the class.  And the teachers have responded to questions/queries very quickly.
They are also quick to point out that parents shouldn't feel under pressure to cover all the work being sent out and that it doesn't all need printed out.

Jesus don't be saying that. People on here won't want to hear those sort of positive comments.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 08, 2021, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 08, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: Estimator on January 08, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
P5 & P3 stuff all online - Teams and Seesaw. 
Collected a set of textbooks/resources for the P5 yesterday, the teacher will be detailing the work through Teams.  In terms of marking the work the teacher, will ask for specific pieces to be sent back via the apps for marking.
Just like the previous lockdown the school have been very good and producing online resources, video instructions and messages for the students in the class.  And the teachers have responded to questions/queries very quickly.
They are also quick to point out that parents shouldn't feel under pressure to cover all the work being sent out and that it doesn't all need printed out.

Jesus don't be saying that. People on here won't want to hear those sort of positive comments.

No doubt Estimator is being paid by a teaching union to come out with that propaganda.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 08, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Totally different to the 1st lockdown, mine are getting way more work and support from the School. My 6 year old has 30 in her class, currently 14 of them are in as they have parents are key workers which is a complete joke. The teacher is a mate of mine and said his workload has increased considerably due to this. Its very time consuming for us as I think there doing more at home then they'd be doing in School and both struggling to get on with our own work.

Another mate is working from home, 1st lockdown he reckoned his workload was reduced by 65% but this time round its increased by 30%. He's desperate to get back to school.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 08, 2021, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 08, 2021, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 08, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Totally different to the 1st lockdown, mine are getting way more work and support from the School. My 6 year old has 30 in her class, currently 14 of them are in as they have parents are key workers which is a complete joke. The teacher is a mate of mine and said his workload has increased considerably due to this. Its very time consuming for us as I think there doing more at home then they'd be doing in School and both struggling to get on with our own work.

Another mate is working from home, 1st lockdown he reckoned his workload was reduced by 65% but this time round its increased by 30%. He's desperate to get back to school.
He sounds like a mug. A simple declaration that he can't work emails will get him a free pass for a month.

Haha
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on January 08, 2021, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 08, 2021, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 08, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Totally different to the 1st lockdown, mine are getting way more work and support from the School. My 6 year old has 30 in her class, currently 14 of them are in as they have parents are key workers which is a complete joke. The teacher is a mate of mine and said his workload has increased considerably due to this. Its very time consuming for us as I think there doing more at home then they'd be doing in School and both struggling to get on with our own work.

Another mate is working from home, 1st lockdown he reckoned his workload was reduced by 65% but this time round its increased by 30%. He's desperate to get back to school.
He sounds like a mug. A simple declaration that he can't work emails will get him a free pass for a month.

He should email the department about this inability.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on January 08, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on January 07, 2021, 09:20:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Diddly squat handed out remotely today

Wife just finished, she's lesson videos to do all week, each student has to report in the morning online and at the end.

Some schools must be completely taking the piss

Yeah my kids have to do that. We also got some sort of notification from teachers tonight via Google that they are going to email weekly progress reports for each child.
I have to say it's been Impressive the work that they are doing remotely. They are in a grammar school.
Kids in primary getting daily tasks via class Dojo. Enough to keep them going about 3 to 4 hours a day. Can't complain there either.

I do know people who are having a completely different experience though and from what I see on here it seems to be inconsistent.

Who is doing the 3-4 hours work with the young ones? Honest question

Mrs tbrick and myself do it between us.
I'm working from home and herself is a P1 teacher so she's also managing her own class.
We've a 4 year old too running around the place.
Secondary school kids are running on the their normal school timetable and have a combination of google meet sessions and set work to do.
Our P4s had a zoom call with their teacher today for the first time. It was entertaining.
They use SeeSaw too. They are being generally set numeracy and literacy work. And have been told to do 45mins reading per day. So we just break up their day into blocks. Reading, break. Numeracy, break. Literacy, break. On their breaks they can play playstation or head outside a while. Working so far anyway.

Don't get me wrong, it's far from easy juggling work and homeschooling, but tbh herself keeps them on their toes with it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2021, 09:04:09 PM
Just hope parents don't find teachers out and become better teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 09, 2021, 09:38:12 AM
Our work has increased. But every so often in class I'll say to the kids, 'hi lads; for the  last 15 minutes of this lesson,  just colour in or talk; I have to reply to the rest of your muckers online here'.

Working good so far.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 09, 2021, 09:41:18 AM
Seesaw is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 09, 2021, 09:47:24 AM
On the oul google classroom myself. I sat down wan night and scheduled all my lessons for next two weeks. So only thing I have to do is reply to their work saying "Well down" or "good work". That 1/2 days scheduling all the work too a bit of time but much better in the long run.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 11, 2021, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.

That's right, everyone will be queueing up to go on holiday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.

I was think of getting away around Easter and May. Hopefully have the vaccine sorted by then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on January 11, 2021, 10:55:16 AM
The Education Dept, Exam Boards etc need to be working now on the plans for next year's A'Level exams.

Those starting Year 14 in Sept will, aside from a few modular exams in Year 11, will be sitting down to do their first real external exams which will affect their future opportunities - University place, job prospects etc.

Prior to lockdown, and exam cancellation, they weren't very forthcoming on how this year's exams would be organised, with information only appearing in December about how things might be different.

So really something concrete and sensible, must be in place by June to give the students the best possible chance for their exams the following year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2021, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.

I was think of getting away around Easter and May. Hopefully have the vaccine sorted by then.

Same here. Would you need one for Portrush over the Easter break?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on January 11, 2021, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 11, 2021, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.

I was think of getting away around Easter and May. Hopefully have the vaccine sorted by then.

Same here. Would you need one for Portrush over the Easter break?

Think you'd be safe enough.
I'm told that after teachers, their entire family will be next on the list so that they can all travel together. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 11, 2021, 01:05:14 PM
Major problem and lagging with internet in many houses this morning.

When are you teachers going back to school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 11, 2021, 01:17:27 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 11, 2021, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:44:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 11, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
Big heave from teachers now to get their vaccines as priority.

Of course this would have nothing to do with June/July coming around the corner and the probable necessity of having received a vaccination to holiday abroad. Happy enough to strike on what they're paid to do and then happy enough to push more vulnerable categories under the bus to get their summer holidays abroad.

Teachers really are the bottom of the barrel.

I was think of getting away around Easter and May. Hopefully have the vaccine sorted by then.

Same here. Would you need one for Portrush over the Easter break?

West Brit
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 04:25:52 PM
A lot of parents lying in the house doing nothing and still send their children to school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 11, 2021, 04:28:27 PM
Parents really are the bottom of the barrel ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 11, 2021, 04:28:52 PM
Cancel parents
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 11, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
I can't remember last time we asked teachers to double job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 11, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
I wonder who taught some of the posters on here to reed and wright?  A bit of appreciation please for the huge efforts of teachers in the current chrisish.   "Long ago, high on a mountain in Mechiko...." should be taken out and taught threw the hole months of July and Ugust.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 11, 2021, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 04:25:52 PM
A lot of parents lying in the house doing nothing and still send their children to school.

Correct...... both parents supposedly working from home ( she's out running each morning) and sending 2 kids to school for staff  to mind them...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on January 11, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
Any covid dead teachers yet?   I suppose I could just ask some secondary school kids, how many coffins have they drawn on the back of their copy book.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 11, 2021, 10:18:52 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 11, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
Any covid dead teachers yet?   I suppose I could just ask some secondary school kids, how many coffins have they drawn on the back of their copy book.
Does it not matter about the Primary School  'covid dead teachers'?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 11, 2021, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 11, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
Any covid dead teachers yet?   I suppose I could just ask some secondary school kids, how many coffins have they drawn on the back of their copy book.

Stats provided by teachers unions show that 90% of fatalities are teachers and they make up 75% of all icu patients. There will therefore be a massive shortage of trained teachers in the future which will almost certainly mean that education standards will increase as parents working part time teaching are statistically 47% better educators than trained teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:48:58 PM
Not be long to half term
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:48:58 PM
Not be long to half term

Staying local or a wee getaway? So places still not on the list..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 11, 2021, 10:48:58 PM
Not be long to half term

Staying local or a wee getaway? So places still not on the list..

Heading to Dubai
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

The definition of front line workers is the problem. Many people are being required to be at work but not classed key workers.

In many ways we should look to that so called "Government of the Right" in the Free State.

They have agreed to make pandemic payments to parents who cant attend work due to childcare duties during this period, also slightly off point but isn't it great how they nationalised the private hospitals but we haven't managed to up here.

Damn West Brit, Free State, Capitalist Gombeens
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?

Well the complaint from lots of parents is it's harder to teach their kids and work at home, so going to work and sending kids to school is easier..

Where as March Belfast was empty only for the drunks!!

I think the rule was work from home if you can
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?

Well the complaint from lots of parents is it's harder to teach their kids and work at home, so going to work and sending kids to school is easier..

Where as March Belfast was empty only for the drunks!!

I think the rule was work from home if you can

One of the big issues this time genuinely is the fear of management singling out people at a later stage who took the option to work at home or even in some cases people might be rendered as "surplus to demand" after extended absence. Some work environments are toxic. Its a rat race
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?

Well the complaint from lots of parents is it's harder to teach their kids and work at home, so going to work and sending kids to school is easier..

Where as March Belfast was empty only for the drunks!!

I think the rule was work from home if you can

Just teacher was saying to me a lot of pupils in this time...whose parents are not frontline workers.

Conversely, she said she knew of doctors who kept their kids at home.

Do schools just take everybody who turns up or what's the story there?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?

Well the complaint from lots of parents is it's harder to teach their kids and work at home, so going to work and sending kids to school is easier..

Where as March Belfast was empty only for the drunks!!

I think the rule was work from home if you can

One of the big issues this time genuinely is the fear of management singling out people at a later stage who took the option to work at home or even in some cases people might be rendered as "surplus to demand" after extended absence. Some work environments are toxic. Its a rat race

Wouldn't that be against the law?

You'd certainly have a case there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 12, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Many pupils in schools who 'shouldn't' be in i.e. pupils whose parents aren't front line workers etc.?

I'd say in Belfast there seems to be plenty office workers in, I suppose anything is better than teaching your kids and working

Is that defeating the purpose?

Well the complaint from lots of parents is it's harder to teach their kids and work at home, so going to work and sending kids to school is easier..

Where as March Belfast was empty only for the drunks!!

I think the rule was work from home if you can

One of the big issues this time genuinely is the fear of management singling out people at a later stage who took the option to work at home or even in some cases people might be rendered as "surplus to demand" after extended absence. Some work environments are toxic. Its a rat race

Wouldn't that be against the law?

You'd certainly have a case there.

Yes on both.

But if some employers are offering the option to work at home , the arse falls out of it, fear sets in and next thing everyone is in the office, really thats how it works in a lot of places, especially in a time where the economy is under threat.

We have virtually nobody working from home atm, sites both sides of border, cant get a parking space in the morning, 1500 workers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 12, 2021, 10:54:10 PM
Any principal worth his/her salt would ask parents to apply for placement identifying why or how they are key workers...not just open the gates for everyone and anyone to walk in...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 12, 2021, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 12, 2021, 10:54:10 PM
Any principal worth his/her salt would ask parents to apply for placement identifying why or how they are key workers...not just open the gates for everyone and anyone to walk in...

But again, what is a key worker
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 13, 2021, 12:03:29 AM
List available online.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2021, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2021, 12:03:29 AM
List available online.....

Yeah probably is, but the issue is this.
We have key workers who can send children to school and then we have people who have been told they have to be at work but aren't on list and therefore can't send wains to school. A lot of issues there. Hierarchy of workers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 13, 2021, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2021, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 13, 2021, 12:03:29 AM
List available online.....

Yeah probably is, but the issue is this.
We have key workers who can send children to school and then we have people who have been told they have to be at work but aren't on list and therefore can't send wains to school. A lot of issues there. Hierarchy of workers?

Looks teachers should send these little pests home. The key priority here is keeping what ever teachers have survived this pandemic alive and if that means frontline workers need to stay at home from work and teach their children so be it. Anyway, why can these so called front line workers (we all know that teachers are the real front line workers) not bring their laptops to work with them and do skype teaching calls with their little brats themselves. See how they like it. The priority here must be to keep our teachers 100% safe and be 100% certain none of them get a head cold never mind covid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: square_ball on January 13, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 12, 2021, 10:54:10 PM
Any principal worth his/her salt would ask parents to apply for placement identifying why or how they are key workers...not just open the gates for everyone and anyone to walk in...

Our local primary school requires details of the key worker role the parent is doing before allocating spaces. And another primary school in the area requires both parents to be key workers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on January 13, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
Quote from: square_ball on January 13, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 12, 2021, 10:54:10 PM
Any principal worth his/her salt would ask parents to apply for placement identifying why or how they are key workers...not just open the gates for everyone and anyone to walk in...

Our local primary school requires details of the key worker role the parent is doing before allocating spaces. And another primary school in the area requires both parents to be key workers.

And others just seem to be letting any pupil attend without any sort of rationale.

Again should have been taken out of the schools hands and clear directives laid down above them from DE. The lack of leadership from the department is staggering on most issues they have faced since the beginning of this pandemic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 13, 2021, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

I doubt it, my 6 year old is getting a lot more one on one teaching then she would in the classroom and is certainly getting a lot more work done.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 13, 2021, 10:41:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

Seems to be more one to one teaching for the younger classes when they're at home. But they miss out on all the social skills they learn through play. The older KS2 classes work that is handed on Google Classroom is a lot worse than it would be in school.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2021, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

You would have to assume that the school teaching is better, parents aren't qualified teachers and couldn't dedicate the same amount of time.

But it this way I wouldn't ever expect a teacher to do my engineering job to the same standard that I do, takes years to learn these skills at uni and on the job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on January 13, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

I'd say no, for 2 reasons (primary school level) . Those in school will, from I've heard be clumped with pupils from other years ie P1-4 in a classroom or 2. P5-P7 clumped together. Teachers changing day by day. So those in school will be running through the same stuff as those at home. And, it's only a matter of weeks in the grand scheme of things
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 13, 2021, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?
At secondary level, most (maybe all?) pupils are simply being supervised - and not by teachers!  So they learn on-line like the rest, just from the school building rather than from home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 07:59:22 PM
Wife bumped into one of the other teachers today at the shop, asked her how she getting on, and she brought up that she'd been leaving her nipper into nursery and was home schooling the other while doing her online teaching!

The nursery owner told her that she'll only look after the child on the days she'd be off as she works  3 days!

Teachers are key workers? So should be able to have kids minded?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 13, 2021, 08:29:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 07:59:22 PM
Wife bumped into one of the other teachers today at the shop, asked her how she getting on, and she brought up that she'd been leaving her nipper into nursery and was home schooling the other while doing her online teaching!

The nursery owner told her that she'll only look after the child on the days she'd be off as she has not died 3 days!

Teachers are key workers? So should be able to have kids minded?

Yeh, absolutely. The parents of the kids they are not teaching should mind the teachers kids too. Scandal they had to go to such a dangerous place as a shop too. Get those useless gimps in the department to deliver them food.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 13, 2021, 08:43:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 13, 2021, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

You would have to assume that the school teaching is better, parents aren't qualified teachers and couldn't dedicate the same amount of time.

But it this way I wouldn't ever expect a teacher to do my engineering job to the same standard that I do, takes years to learn these skills at uni and on the job.

In fairness, I don't think teachers can dedicate the same amount of time in the class....if they're 33 in a class say.

Parents could probably do more in an hour with their child, than a teacher would do all day.

It's the social side that they need.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

I'd say no, for 2 reasons (primary school level) . Those in school will, from I've heard be clumped with pupils from other years ie P1-4 in a classroom or 2. P5-P7 clumped together. Teachers changing day by day. So those in school will be running through the same stuff as those at home. And, it's only a matter of weeks in the grand scheme of things

Is that not a good thing that they're mixed - composite classes and all that.  That's the norm in Africa.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on January 13, 2021, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 13, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
So where schools are taking in children and half the kids are at home being home schooled or doing lessons online, will the children in school be in a better position educational wise, for being taught in class?

I'd say no, for 2 reasons (primary school level) . Those in school will, from I've heard be clumped with pupils from other years ie P1-4 in a classroom or 2. P5-P7 clumped together. Teachers changing day by day. So those in school will be running through the same stuff as those at home. And, it's only a matter of weeks in the grand scheme of things

Is that not a good thing that they're mixed - composite classes and all that.  That's the norm in Africa.

Maybe with a set teacher Marty. Atm with schools (maybe not all) the teachers change regularly and help with the packs the kids at home are using.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on January 13, 2021, 10:36:01 PM
The ante has been upped for me the day. We have to dedicate a lot more time to the kids at home. So we give them a welcome and a goodbye 10/15 minute video per day. But we have to do this when the other wains are in class. So we say to the wans we are teaching to get on with work while we  chat to twenty kids online.

We also have to send teacher led activities for lessons on videos back home.

On top of that we still have to send out lessons on google and mark them as well as well as look after all the ones in class.

ATM we send work and messages on google classroom and we mark it. Seemed okay for me. But not so....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!

We upload two pieces of work a day (P4) for my wee fella each day onto MS Teams, we we told the other day any children not engaging with the home learning would be marked absent.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 14, 2021, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2021, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!

We upload two pieces of work a day (P4) for my wee fella each day onto MS Teams, we we told the other day any children not engaging with the home learning would be marked absent.

Joke
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 14, 2021, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!

They should've marked the teachers absent back in the first lockdown when many of them took it as an early summer holiday. Any teacher moaning about workloads or split teaching has only themselves to blame. They forced the schools closed. They got exactly what they wanted. Now they need to get on with the business of teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 14, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!

They should've marked the teachers absent back in the first lockdown when many of them took it as an early summer holiday. Any teacher moaning about workloads or split teaching has only themselves to blame. They forced the schools closed. They got exactly what they wanted. Now they need to get on with the business of teaching.

Who forced the schools closed? The government closed the schools, pressure from the rise of the virus, with the numbers rising as they are and have been are you for having the schools opened now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 13, 2021, 11:22:07 PM
DENI have now indicated that a child working from home, must produce work that they send back to their teacher (daily or weekly- not clear on that part )or they are marked absent for that specific day(s)!

They should've marked the teachers absent back in the first lockdown when many of them took it as an early summer holiday. Any teacher moaning about workloads or split teaching has only themselves to blame. They forced the schools closed. They got exactly what they wanted. Now they need to get on with the business of teaching.

Listen, that first lockdown was very important in getting my golf handicap down into single figures. This time the weather is shit so I might as well do a bit of teaching.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 14, 2021, 04:56:38 PM
Poor Seany hasn't got the head lifted he's that busy with home schooling.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 14, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
We bit the bullet and got a Teacher to help out. She does an hour 3 days a week on Zoom making sure the eldest is keeping on top of things.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 14, 2021, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
We bit the bullet and got a Teacher to help out. She does an hour 3 days a week on Zoom making sure the eldest is keeping on top of things.

Keep at the spellings!

Is this one of the teaching staff that were on summer holidays during the first lockdown?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 14, 2021, 07:03:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
We bit the bullet and got a Teacher to help out. She does an hour 3 days a week on Zoom making sure the eldest is keeping on top of things.

I hope you are paying top dollar trailer and not abusing this poor teacher, one of the lucky few to survive this pandemic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 14, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
We bit the bullet and got a Teacher to help out. She does an hour 3 days a week on Zoom making sure the eldest is keeping on top of things.
So, is it actually tutoring?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 14, 2021, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 14, 2021, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 14, 2021, 05:05:56 PM
We bit the bullet and got a Teacher to help out. She does an hour 3 days a week on Zoom making sure the eldest is keeping on top of things.

Keep at the spellings!

Is this one of the teaching staff that were on summer holidays during the first lockdown?

Poacher turned gamekeeper!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2021, 10:17:50 PM
These bloody special needs kids, educate yourselves for god sake and make sure the teachers are 100% safe..

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/doubt-over-school-reopening-for-pupils-with-special-needs-amid-angry-teacher-backlash-39983519.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2021, 10:45:36 PM
Would we not be better restructuring the school year, give the wains and teachers their holidays now and work through summer
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 18, 2021, 10:45:36 PM
Would we not be better restructuring the school year, give the wains and teachers their holidays now and work through summer

I know your up north but there's more chance of teachers down south injecting themselves with covid than doing that. They truly are the greatest patriots putting their small risk of catching covid above those of special needs kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 18, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2021, 10:17:50 PM
These bloody special needs kids, educate yourselves for god sake and make sure the teachers are 100% safe..

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/doubt-over-school-reopening-for-pupils-with-special-needs-amid-angry-teacher-backlash-39983519.html

The special needs schools are open in the north
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2021, 11:11:49 PM
I wasn't referring to the North, you boys think its funny but down south its far from funny watching these teachers unions show themselves for the selfish self centred pricks they are. The INTO the latest, shouting down expert advice on a call today and refusing to go to work on Thursday in a limited opening for special needs kids. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 09:30:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Jesus don't be saying that!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on January 19, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Reading some of the comments on here I can only be thankful for the great teachers our kids have....

First class throughout the lockdowns...

More pressure on us as parents as we balance work/teaching/life....I'll not target teachers....especially after the months of teaching we've had to do.....more respect now than ever

Its a good babysitter a few would need....instead of teacher bashing....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 19, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Reading some of the comments on here I can only be thankful for the great teachers our kids have....

First class throughout the lockdowns...

More pressure on us as parents as we balance work/teaching/life....I'll not target teachers....especially after the months of teaching we've had to do.....more respect now than ever

Its a good babysitter a few would need....instead of teacher bashing....

Oh yes you can't say anything about teachers or your a teacher basher. Getting as bad as the Jews and anti semitic. A national embarrassment,  wont even go back for special needs kids in the south as they have in North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
The teachers aren't going back. That was why I was so against closing the schools. There is no roadmap to return. Nothing. It's another year written off unfortunately.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.

Bully for you, aren't you a legend. Maybe have a word with your cousins down the road.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
The teachers aren't going back. That was why I was so against closing the schools. There is no roadmap to return. Nothing. It's another year written off unfortunately.

Sure people are on here crying to close the schools when the numbers are going up and then they're crying to open the schools when they've had a week or 2 of homeschooling.  Make up your minds ffs. The vast majority not worried about the impact lockdown is having on their children's education, just that they don't have babysitters.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Sorting kids with devices is bound to be difficult in certain circumstances. How are families with 3,4,5 kids at school managing this?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Sorting kids with devices is bound to be difficult in certain circumstances. How are families with 3,4,5 kids at school managing this?

In some cases we've provided devices to certain families and the EA have provided to devices to children in certain year groups. We have our Google Meet calls staggered throughout the day as well so that no two year groups have to be on a call at the one time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.

Bully for you, aren't you a legend. Maybe have a word with your cousins down the road.

I couldn't care less what they do in the South.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Sorting kids with devices is bound to be difficult in certain circumstances. How are families with 3,4,5 kids at school managing this?

Bought a 3rd device today so my kid can read the 20 emails he's being sent a day with zero tutoring. Here 20 questions  heres a YouTube video. Watch it, answer questions and get mammy to correct it for you. That's what passes as teaching now.

Only idiots wanted schools closed. Sorry.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.

Bully for you, aren't you a legend. Maybe have a word with your cousins down the road.

I couldn't care less what they do in the South.

Sure I know  your a teacher so only care about yourself. God help any poor child that has to suffer listening to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on January 19, 2021, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on January 19, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
Reading some of the comments on here I can only be thankful for the great teachers our kids have....

First class throughout the lockdowns...

More pressure on us as parents as we balance work/teaching/life....I'll not target teachers....especially after the months of teaching we've had to do.....more respect now than ever

Its a good babysitter a few would need....instead of teacher bashing....

Oh yes you can't say anything about teachers or your a teacher basher. Getting as bad as the Jews and anti semitic. A national embarrassment,  wont even go back for special needs kids in the south as they have in North.

I'm referring to the 6 counties....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.

Bully for you, aren't you a legend. Maybe have a word with your cousins down the road.

I couldn't care less what they do in the South.

Sure I know  your a teacher so only care about yourself. God help any poor child that has to suffer listening to you.

I'd have to put you at the bold boy table for this sort of behaviour.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Sorting kids with devices is bound to be difficult in certain circumstances. How are families with 3,4,5 kids at school managing this?

In some cases we've provided devices to certain families and the EA have provided to devices to children in certain year groups. We have our Google Meet calls staggered throughout the day as well so that no two year groups have to be on a call at the one time.

Sensible but works when kids are at the one school I suppose. It's bound to be difficult and stressful for families sharing or even using unsuitable devices like a phone. And there is issues around access to the internet and data costs. Remote learning is far from the silver bullet we think it is.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:39:30 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 19, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Sorting kids with devices is bound to be difficult in certain circumstances. How are families with 3,4,5 kids at school managing this?

In some cases we've provided devices to certain families and the EA have provided to devices to children in certain year groups. We have our Google Meet calls staggered throughout the day as well so that no two year groups have to be on a call at the one time.

Sensible but works when kids are at the one school I suppose. It's bound to be difficult and stressful for families sharing or even using unsuitable devices like a phone. And there is issues around access to the internet and data costs. Remote learning is far from the silver bullet we think it is.

Most families are trying to make it work. In the cases that it just isn't working I'd be encouraging those parents to send the children to school for at least a few days a week. It's far from an ideal situation like every other line of work at the minute. Hopefully the schools will be open soon but I wouldn't put money on it. And contrary to some people's beliefs in here, teachers would much rather be in school. It's much easier that this online carryon.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 19, 2021, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 19, 2021, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 19, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Load of bollox. These people want certainties that they wont get covid and nonsense like testing of kids at every school. Nothing will pacify them and thats the point. They dont want to go to work, they dont care about the kids and the only care about themselves. They are also peddling the notion that they can work as well at home as they can at school which is more bullshit when half of them can barely work a computer.

They are a national embarrassment (look at other countries) and when this is over the respect that teachers were once held in society will be in tatters and rightly so. When I look out there its nurses, doctors, factory workers and retail workers that are the heros of society. People that rolled up their sleeves and worked for the greater good of society. I have people in a medical device company making critical products trying to take unpaid leave to stay home and teach  their kids.
They should all be put on the covid payment with immediate effect.

Quit your crying ffs.

Get off yer lazy useless hole and get back to work you loafer. God help you sad losers if you had any sort of pay for performance. Pathetic.

Sure I go to work. Looking after the Key worker children like I have done since last March. You're full of shite. Quit your crying.

Bully for you, aren't you a legend. Maybe have a word with your cousins down the road.

I couldn't care less what they do in the South.

Sure I know  your a teacher so only care about yourself. God help any poor child that has to suffer listening to you.

I'd have to put you at the bold boy table for this sort of behaviour.

Don't even think that would cut it. Itchy you're proving yourself to be a right muppet here. Your experience is your experience, but by no means does that give a general overview of all teachers. The schools in our locality are going above and beyond. Using your formula, this therefore must mean all teachers are amazing. However we both know the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Channel your annoyance on to the correct people, rather than spouting the same tripe here daily.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Wrong. This is an under pressure minister risking peoples lives for a quick political win. There is no plan and no ppe in place
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:40:49 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

They are unionised.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

People in the private sector worked with their employer in most cases to get back to work as they new it was in their best interest. Teachers/Unions are making demands you don't see from supermarket workers for example as they know as public servants they'll get paid anyway and the public sector unions can hold the country to ransom and get away with it as they have way to much power in this country and can h
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

People in the private sector worked with their employer in most cases to get back to work as they new it was in their best interest. Teachers/Unions are making demands you don't see from supermarket workers for example as they know as public servants they'll get paid anyway and the public sector unions can hold the country to ransom and get away with it as they have way to much power in this country and can h

If retail staff had a sniff of the chance they would also be demanding a safe environment. The teachers union did their jobs and looked after the safety of their members. And many teachers are on furlough.

Blame the source of the shambles. The minister
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

People in the private sector worked with their employer in most cases to get back to work as they new it was in their best interest. Teachers/Unions are making demands you don't see from supermarket workers for example as they know as public servants they'll get paid anyway and the public sector unions can hold the country to ransom and get away with it as they have way to much power in this country and can h

If retail staff had a sniff of the chance they would also be demanding a safe environment. The teachers union did their jobs and looked after the safety of their members. And many teachers are on furlough.

Blame the source of the shambles. The minister

There is no doubt the minister of education is totally incompetent. But there is also no doubt that the teachers unions are also incompetent, self centered, greedy and completely incapable of seeing the big picture. And it is not a Union versus no union question. I work in a plant of 1000 people, SIPTU and Connect union in it. All employees, bar those with particulars serious issues, have been working since last March. We have people locally who are responsible and know that what we do is important.

The difference that these two unions have with the teachers unions is that the teachers unions centrally have acted in a horrendous irresponsible way. The SIPTU and Connect unions in my work place have worked with local management to get things in place to make our place of work as safe as possible. It seems to me teachers unions want to sit on their arses and wait for Norma Foley  to arrive at their schools with some sort of magical force field that gives them 100% certainty that they will never catch COVID and of course that is impossible so they can all stay at home. Great set up.

Only answer now, close schools and give COVID payment to the whole lot of them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Dear Parents,

We dont care about you or your child with special needs.

Regards,
The INTO.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/i-dont-think-they-could-ever-understand-parents-of-children-with-special-needs-heartbroken-as-schools-will-not-reopen-39987944.html


Parents of children with special needs are heartbroken after it was announced last night that schools will not be reopening.

In-person education for children with special and additional needs was due to recommence tomorrow however, Education Minister Norma Foley has conceded that the phased return cannot go ahead because of lack of co-operation.

It follows a decision by the Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) and Fórsa, representing special needs assistants (SNAs), to reject proposals for reopening.

Emma Harris, a single mother-of-three living in Limerick, said her head was "fit to burst" over the uncertainty on whether her eight-year-old son Dylan, who has autism, would return to school on Thursday.

Dylan attends a special needs unit attached to a mainstream school and was due to return on Thursday along with one other student.


"Nobody knows what the right thing to do is and it does get to you. It gets to a point where you try not to think about it because when you start to think about anything you get angry, you cry, every emotion."

poster   
Ms Harris explained that it is incredibly difficult to home school her other children, aged six and 11, as Dylan requires so much care.


The mother-of-three said she doesn't think anyone can really understand how hard it is unless they are going through it themselves.

"I don't think they could ever understand...until they understand my position, a single mum with three kids and one that can't talk, one that I can't leave alone.

"I can't really leave him alone and he floods my sinks, he's unpredictable, but that's autism for you, autism is unpredictable.

"I really have to try and keep strong and keep it together and try and do my best because I know that's all I can do.

"I'm trying not to read things now, I won't believe that schools are open until that bus turns up because they already gave me that glimmer of hope and to take it away was really hard for me."


"I do feel for teachers, I don't think anybody should be forced to do anything they don't want to do right now in this world," she said.

Aisling McNiffe, whose 15-year-old son Jack has special needs, said she will not be sending him back to school if it reopens. However, she thinks the option should be there for those who need it, explaining that it's not a one-size-fits-all situation.

"My son is in the minority who will probably not be going back to school because he hasn't been in since March because he is very medically complexed," she said.

"As much as I am advocating for schools to reopen it's not for me personally because he won't be able to go back until he's vaccinated."

The mother-of-two said she believes teachers and SNAs should be treated as frontline workers and be higher up on the list for vaccination.

She added: "For children with special needs school is more than just education for them, it's socialisation, it's therapy and it's respite for families.

"Our children can't learn online, it's just not possible. There might be a small cohort that can but in general, it's not a possibility, so they should be open.

"It's a small cohort of all the children in Ireland and if the teachers and SNAs and all people that work in schools were treated as frontline staff or essential workers then things could move along and open safely."

A spokesperson for four advocacy organisations, AsIAm, Down Syndrome Ireland, Family Carers Ireland and Inclusion Ireland, has said that children with special educational needs, and their families and carers have been almost completely forgotten about in the conversations between stakeholders over the partial re-opening of schools.

They added: "The manner in which this issue is being dealt with – with U-turns, mixed messages and false dawns, needs to stop.

"The department and education stakeholders need to get this sorted once and for all. Our most vulnerable students – children with disabilities and special educational needs, their families and their carers have been almost completely forgotten about in this row."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lenny on January 20, 2021, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Dear Parents,

We dont care about you or your child with special needs.

Regards,
The INTO.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/i-dont-think-they-could-ever-understand-parents-of-children-with-special-needs-heartbroken-as-schools-will-not-reopen-39987944.html


Parents of children with special needs are heartbroken after it was announced last night that schools will not be reopening.

In-person education for children with special and additional needs was due to recommence tomorrow however, Education Minister Norma Foley has conceded that the phased return cannot go ahead because of lack of co-operation.

It follows a decision by the Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) and Fórsa, representing special needs assistants (SNAs), to reject proposals for reopening.

Emma Harris, a single mother-of-three living in Limerick, said her head was "fit to burst" over the uncertainty on whether her eight-year-old son Dylan, who has autism, would return to school on Thursday.

Dylan attends a special needs unit attached to a mainstream school and was due to return on Thursday along with one other student.


"Nobody knows what the right thing to do is and it does get to you. It gets to a point where you try not to think about it because when you start to think about anything you get angry, you cry, every emotion."

poster   
Ms Harris explained that it is incredibly difficult to home school her other children, aged six and 11, as Dylan requires so much care.


The mother-of-three said she doesn't think anyone can really understand how hard it is unless they are going through it themselves.

"I don't think they could ever understand...until they understand my position, a single mum with three kids and one that can't talk, one that I can't leave alone.

"I can't really leave him alone and he floods my sinks, he's unpredictable, but that's autism for you, autism is unpredictable.

"I really have to try and keep strong and keep it together and try and do my best because I know that's all I can do.

"I'm trying not to read things now, I won't believe that schools are open until that bus turns up because they already gave me that glimmer of hope and to take it away was really hard for me."


"I do feel for teachers, I don't think anybody should be forced to do anything they don't want to do right now in this world," she said.

Aisling McNiffe, whose 15-year-old son Jack has special needs, said she will not be sending him back to school if it reopens. However, she thinks the option should be there for those who need it, explaining that it's not a one-size-fits-all situation.

"My son is in the minority who will probably not be going back to school because he hasn't been in since March because he is very medically complexed," she said.

"As much as I am advocating for schools to reopen it's not for me personally because he won't be able to go back until he's vaccinated."

The mother-of-two said she believes teachers and SNAs should be treated as frontline workers and be higher up on the list for vaccination.

She added: "For children with special needs school is more than just education for them, it's socialisation, it's therapy and it's respite for families.

"Our children can't learn online, it's just not possible. There might be a small cohort that can but in general, it's not a possibility, so they should be open.

"It's a small cohort of all the children in Ireland and if the teachers and SNAs and all people that work in schools were treated as frontline staff or essential workers then things could move along and open safely."

A spokesperson for four advocacy organisations, AsIAm, Down Syndrome Ireland, Family Carers Ireland and Inclusion Ireland, has said that children with special educational needs, and their families and carers have been almost completely forgotten about in the conversations between stakeholders over the partial re-opening of schools.

They added: "The manner in which this issue is being dealt with – with U-turns, mixed messages and false dawns, needs to stop.

"The department and education stakeholders need to get this sorted once and for all. Our most vulnerable students – children with disabilities and special educational needs, their families and their carers have been almost completely forgotten about in this row."

I agree with most of your points but i saw this in the english telegraph a couple of days ago.

"The data shows that there are much higher COVID rates of infection amongst teachers and other school staff than for the general population. This finding is in contradiction to the reassurances regularly given by the Department and by Public Health England, including by Dr Jenny Harries giving evidence to the Education Select Committee this morning.

On average the rate of COVID infection is 1.9 times higher amongst primary and secondary teachers than the general population. It is 2 times higher for special school teachers.
For teaching assistants and other staff, the rate of COVID infection is three times higher in primary schools and almost seven times higher in special schools.
The Government has been collecting this information since early October."

That might be why the unions are trying to look after their members.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 08:59:24 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 08:19:22 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 07:57:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

People in the private sector worked with their employer in most cases to get back to work as they new it was in their best interest. Teachers/Unions are making demands you don't see from supermarket workers for example as they know as public servants they'll get paid anyway and the public sector unions can hold the country to ransom and get away with it as they have way to much power in this country and can h

If retail staff had a sniff of the chance they would also be demanding a safe environment. The teachers union did their jobs and looked after the safety of their members. And many teachers are on furlough.

Blame the source of the shambles. The minister

There is no doubt the minister of education is totally incompetent. But there is also no doubt that the teachers unions are also incompetent, self centered, greedy and completely incapable of seeing the big picture. And it is not a Union versus no union question. I work in a plant of 1000 people, SIPTU and Connect union in it. All employees, bar those with particulars serious issues, have been working since last March. We have people locally who are responsible and know that what we do is important.

The difference that these two unions have with the teachers unions is that the teachers unions centrally have acted in a horrendous irresponsible way. The SIPTU and Connect unions in my work place have worked with local management to get things in place to make our place of work as safe as possible. It seems to me teachers unions want to sit on their arses and wait for Norma Foley  to arrive at their schools with some sort of magical force field that gives them 100% certainty that they will never catch COVID and of course that is impossible so they can all stay at home. Great set up.

Only answer now, close schools and give COVID payment to the whole lot of them.

Does your plant have a covid policy and PPE?

If so, its not the same narrative, is it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:31:47 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
Dear Parents,

We dont care about you or your child with special needs.

Regards,
The INTO.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/i-dont-think-they-could-ever-understand-parents-of-children-with-special-needs-heartbroken-as-schools-will-not-reopen-39987944.html


Parents of children with special needs are heartbroken after it was announced last night that schools will not be reopening.

In-person education for children with special and additional needs was due to recommence tomorrow however, Education Minister Norma Foley has conceded that the phased return cannot go ahead because of lack of co-operation.

It follows a decision by the Irish National Teachers Organisation (INTO) and Fórsa, representing special needs assistants (SNAs), to reject proposals for reopening.

Emma Harris, a single mother-of-three living in Limerick, said her head was "fit to burst" over the uncertainty on whether her eight-year-old son Dylan, who has autism, would return to school on Thursday.

Dylan attends a special needs unit attached to a mainstream school and was due to return on Thursday along with one other student.


"Nobody knows what the right thing to do is and it does get to you. It gets to a point where you try not to think about it because when you start to think about anything you get angry, you cry, every emotion."

poster   
Ms Harris explained that it is incredibly difficult to home school her other children, aged six and 11, as Dylan requires so much care.


The mother-of-three said she doesn't think anyone can really understand how hard it is unless they are going through it themselves.

"I don't think they could ever understand...until they understand my position, a single mum with three kids and one that can't talk, one that I can't leave alone.

"I can't really leave him alone and he floods my sinks, he's unpredictable, but that's autism for you, autism is unpredictable.

"I really have to try and keep strong and keep it together and try and do my best because I know that's all I can do.

"I'm trying not to read things now, I won't believe that schools are open until that bus turns up because they already gave me that glimmer of hope and to take it away was really hard for me."


"I do feel for teachers, I don't think anybody should be forced to do anything they don't want to do right now in this world," she said.

Aisling McNiffe, whose 15-year-old son Jack has special needs, said she will not be sending him back to school if it reopens. However, she thinks the option should be there for those who need it, explaining that it's not a one-size-fits-all situation.

"My son is in the minority who will probably not be going back to school because he hasn't been in since March because he is very medically complexed," she said.

"As much as I am advocating for schools to reopen it's not for me personally because he won't be able to go back until he's vaccinated."

The mother-of-two said she believes teachers and SNAs should be treated as frontline workers and be higher up on the list for vaccination.

She added: "For children with special needs school is more than just education for them, it's socialisation, it's therapy and it's respite for families.

"Our children can't learn online, it's just not possible. There might be a small cohort that can but in general, it's not a possibility, so they should be open.

"It's a small cohort of all the children in Ireland and if the teachers and SNAs and all people that work in schools were treated as frontline staff or essential workers then things could move along and open safely."

A spokesperson for four advocacy organisations, AsIAm, Down Syndrome Ireland, Family Carers Ireland and Inclusion Ireland, has said that children with special educational needs, and their families and carers have been almost completely forgotten about in the conversations between stakeholders over the partial re-opening of schools.

They added: "The manner in which this issue is being dealt with – with U-turns, mixed messages and false dawns, needs to stop.

"The department and education stakeholders need to get this sorted once and for all. Our most vulnerable students – children with disabilities and special educational needs, their families and their carers have been almost completely forgotten about in this row."

They didn't 'reject proposals'. None were made.

The minister was an hour late for the only meeting the unions could get, left after 5 minutes and before they were out issued a presser saying there was full consultation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.

So we agree that there are no covid protocols and none forthcoming. There is plenty of evidence that schools are riskier than other workplaces and doubly so with special needs teaching where you have to be up close.

They shouldn't have to buy their own PPE and write their own policies snd its mentsl tos uggest they should.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.

So we agree that there are no covid protocols and none forthcoming. There is plenty of evidence that schools are riskier than other workplaces and doubly so with special needs teaching where you have to be up close.

They shouldn't have to buy their own PPE and write their own policies snd its mentsl tos uggest they should.

Every other industry in the bloody country wrote their own and sourced their own PPE. Do you think the Fairy god mother turned up and delivered it to us. We liased with external expertise to do this. Do you think there were industries that were especially prepared? One thing that teachers did have was lots of free time to do this but instead they sat on their arses at home and waited for someone else to do it for them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
The teachers were presented with a safety plan that was approved by 2 medical professionals one of whom is Dr Ronan Glynn (who is in NPHET)

The Unions are making unrealistic demands of the minister and government
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 20, 2021, 09:49:02 AM
How many teachers have died so far?

Imagine the nurses took a similar stance.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:52:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on January 20, 2021, 09:49:02 AM
How many teachers have died so far?

Imagine the nurses took a similar stance.

I reckon I know personally at this stage about 30 people who have tested positive for COVID. Thankfully none of them died from it. Only one was a teacher (national school). She got it from attending a funeral. She stayed home from school when she was identified as a close contact and there was no outbreak there. If there is Irish data on teacher fatalities I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.

So we agree that there are no covid protocols and none forthcoming. There is plenty of evidence that schools are riskier than other workplaces and doubly so with special needs teaching where you have to be up close.

They shouldn't have to buy their own PPE and write their own policies snd its mentsl tos uggest they should.

Every other industry in the bloody country wrote their own and sourced their own PPE. Do you think the Fairy god mother turned up and delivered it to us. We liased with external expertise to do this. Do you think there were industries that were especially prepared? One thing that teachers did have was lots of free time to do this but instead they sat on their arses at home and waited for someone else to do it for them.

No they didn't.

Your industry being private has H&S officers and is inherently less risky. You did hee haw yourself.

Schools, and hospitals and other public utilities rely on the department to do the risk and H&S work for them at their insistance. Which they failed to do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 20, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
The teachers were presented with a safety plan that was approved by 2 medical professionals one of whom is Dr Ronan Glynn (who is in NPHET)

The Unions are making unrealistic demands of the minister and government

When? Because as of Monday they hadn't
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 20, 2021, 10:02:03 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.


So we agree that there are no covid protocols and none forthcoming. There is plenty of evidence that schools are riskier than other workplaces and doubly so with special needs teaching where you have to be up close.

They shouldn't have to buy their own PPE and write their own policies snd its mentsl tos uggest they should.

Every other industry in the bloody country wrote their own and sourced their own PPE. Do you think the Fairy god mother turned up and delivered it to us. We liased with external expertise to do this. Do you think there were industries that were especially prepared? One thing that teachers did have was lots of free time to do this but instead they sat on their arses at home and waited for someone else to do it for them.

No they didn't.

Your industry being private has H&S officers and is inherently less risky. You did hee haw yourself.

Schools, and hospitals and other public utilities rely on the department to do the risk and H&S work for them at their insistance. Which they failed to do

More troll like behaviour from the Dublin Unionist.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 20, 2021, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

So the unions aren't happy with whatever had been offered - let them release a list of what they require, if their demands are reasonable, public opinion will be fully behind them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 10:00:10 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Are teachers illiterate. Can they not figure it out? I wasn't a covid expert last March funny enough and I and others maintain a live document on Covid policy in our plant. Are your teachers unable to purchase a mask for themselves and a bottle of sanitiser? Do you want Norma Foley to wipe your arse for you too. The main lesson being thought to kids now is stamp your feet and moan until someone else  does it for you.

What are the stats for teachers and covid in Ireland, where is the data from this country that says that they are disproportionately at risk versus other workers.

So we agree that there are no covid protocols and none forthcoming. There is plenty of evidence that schools are riskier than other workplaces and doubly so with special needs teaching where you have to be up close.

They shouldn't have to buy their own PPE and write their own policies snd its mentsl tos uggest they should.

Every other industry in the bloody country wrote their own and sourced their own PPE. Do you think the Fairy god mother turned up and delivered it to us. We liased with external expertise to do this. Do you think there were industries that were especially prepared? One thing that teachers did have was lots of free time to do this but instead they sat on their arses at home and waited for someone else to do it for them.

No they didn't.

Your industry being private has H&S officers and is inherently less risky. You did hee haw yourself.

Schools, and hospitals and other public utilities rely on the department to do the risk and H&S work for them at their insistance. Which they failed to do

I can tell you that yes we 2 x H&S officers and they knew the same about dealing with a global pandemic as I did in March - nothing. The work in our plant was done by managers, middle managers and operators. Stop passing the buck, try take some personal responsibility for something and stop trying to pretend you know what goes on in a manufacturing plant when you clearly havent a clue. My industry is more risky than schools by the way. A very high density of workers, people at machines sitting right beside each other. People who are older and statistically more likely to have COVID. Thank God the nurses and doctors in this country, the real heros, have more about them than teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 10:08:06 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 20, 2021, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2021, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 19, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
Very poor carry on from the teacher unions

Any employee is entitled to health and safety and promotion of health and safety is properly the business of a union representing its members.  Note that the politicians that are criticising the teachers are down in the conference centre at great expense to make sure that they do not come with 5m of each other.

Plenty of workers are continuing to work through the pandemic, factories, supermarkets, etc. How are teachers different?

Supermarket staff are enclosed in perspex and customers in supermarkets are expected to wear masks, although shamefully some supermarkets do not protect their staff in this regard. By and large teachers are not enclosed in perspex nor are their customers expected to wear masks.

Not the ones who are restacking shelves.

I honestly think it's a disgrace that the unions can't agree something that will at least allow special needs kids and leaving certs to return to school, there'd be plenty of space for everyone with reduced numbers

Why is it up to the unions and only the unions? The point is there is no plan to discuss. I know a SNA and they are on PUP. They are itching to get back but not at any cost. They aren't even given masks

So the unions aren't happy with whatever had been offered - let them release a list of what they require, if their demands are reasonable, public opinion will be fully behind them.

Exactly, nothing will make them happy and every solution they will find problems with. Why? Because there is no way to 100% ensure that a person doesnt get COVID. So there is always a way to get out of going to work. Whats most dissapointing is  that the good teachers that realise this (and there are an awful lot) dont speak up and be heard by their own union who are led by cretins.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 20, 2021, 10:21:00 AM
My eldest is one of those kids affected by this absolute clusterfuck of a situation.
We were told at the weekend he would be back in on Thursday and then told yesterday he wouldn't be.
It's simply not good enough.
He needs the routine of school, he is totally out of whack at the moment and it's setting him back big time.
He is getting 1 video call a week with his SNA and resource teacher. It's really not worth a f**k to him though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 20, 2021, 10:24:20 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

And you're the guy who wants stricter lockdowns.

Do you even understand the concept of irony. I don't disagree with what you say there, I just find it completely in contradiction with other posts you have made and I find it startling how you can have such diverging views.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 20, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

Serious political agenda in North with all those decisions, SF and SDLP especially using it as whip to beat DUP, youd be dubious of their real honesty and motives here, sick wee set up in Stormont
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
In the North there was a lockdown before Christmas when schools stayed open. The numbers continued to go up and people gave off saying the schools should have been closed too. Now that schools are closed people are starting to get pissed off again, so schools should be open again. Make up your minds. I know my school is open and the local schools around me are open as usual for anyone who needs to send their child. So what is the problem?  It is funny as well that the education end of things seem to be down the list of concerns, a lot of people are pissed off that schools are closed because it messes up their babysitting service.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 20, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

Serious political agenda in North with all those decisions, SF and SDLP especially using it as whip to beat DUP, youd be dubious of their real honesty and motives here, sick wee set up in Stormont

Definitely agree. SDLP and SF not thinking about students but political point scoring.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?
Don't be saying that. It doesn't spread in schools sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

It's a balancing act. And you'll be damned if you do and damned if you don't. My own personal view is that Schools are essential and everything else should be done before they're closed. For example, curfews, closing all takeaway services, enforcement against those people not following the rules.
The outbreaks in our local area are all linked to families meeting up over Christmas. It's as clear as day. 3 or 4 separate households all with positive cases.
But lookit they're now closed have been since well before Christmas, peak infections of 6, 7, 8k per day came from 27th onwards. Schools weren't driving those figures and that the reality.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:58:46 AM
Schools are open Trailer. Encouraged to stay at home but they're open Monday to Friday as usual.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 20, 2021, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:58:46 AM
Schools are open Trailer. Encouraged to stay at home but they're open Monday to Friday as usual.

1 in 10 children are attending school is that right?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:58:46 AM
Schools are open Trailer. Encouraged to stay at home but they're open Monday to Friday as usual.

1 in 10 children are attending school is that right?

Not sure what the figures are and it would be hard to judge. We have 1/4 of the school in on average but down the road they have very few going in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on January 20, 2021, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
It is funny as well that the education end of things seem to be down the list of concerns, a lot of people are pissed off that schools are closed because it messes up their babysitting service.
I think this is an unfair comment. I have three teenagers and the value of school for education, social, and mental health is paramount.  The value that is given to teachers both by them and us as parents has increased over the lockdown.  It is far from a simple babysitting service.  My eldest lost out on a university place due to the clusterfuck with exams last summer.  There is a massive value in the service our teachers offer society.  This brings a responsibility though, something that teaching unions need to bear in mind.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 20, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
All we have to go on is the last NISRA figures given out, everything else is tainted one way or the other with potential bullshit- I think 5% spread attributed to schools was last update(someone else can check this if they have time as im not 100% on this)

For me schools should be open, but they didn't get the support needed to help deliver safety. Schools are trying their best but the standard of learning given remotely is a poor version of the real thing. Its not level playing field for parents, if like myself you have 2 parents working long hours the wains miss out on hours clocked up for homework, the nursey level is suffering badly as its such a critical time in a child's life-they should be in.
Its not about baby sitting for me anyhow
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
It is funny as well that the education end of things seem to be down the list of concerns, a lot of people are pissed off that schools are closed because it messes up their babysitting service.
I think this is an unfair comment. I have three teenagers and the value of school for education, social, and mental health is paramount.  The value that is given to teachers both by them and us as parents has increased over the lockdown.  It is far from a simple babysitting service.  My eldest lost out on a university place due to the clusterfuck with exams last summer.  There is a massive value in the service our teachers offer society.  This brings a responsibility though, something that teaching unions need to bear in mind.

Of course and those things you've mentioned are even more important than education. Children need the social interaction just like adults do. The younger children need all the basic skills they learning from playing together and interacting with other children. But as I said, a lot of people who have been giving off, aren't giving off about those things you listed out or the children's education, they're giving off because it's a pain in the ass minding the kids in the house or not having child care. This just wasn't teaching unions who closed schools, it was the parents of children and the general public as well. People were demanding it due to the spread and increase in C19 numbers. So when numbers are through the roof and hospitals struggling to cope, Itchy wants a large majority of the population mixing on a daily basis in small room and then going home to their families. Maybe the teachers down south have downed tools but we certainly haven't in the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 11:11:13 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 10:45:32 AM
It is funny as well that the education end of things seem to be down the list of concerns, a lot of people are pissed off that schools are closed because it messes up their babysitting service.
I think this is an unfair comment. I have three teenagers and the value of school for education, social, and mental health is paramount.  The value that is given to teachers both by them and us as parents has increased over the lockdown.  It is far from a simple babysitting service.  My eldest lost out on a university place due to the clusterfuck with exams last summer.  There is a massive value in the service our teachers offer society.  This brings a responsibility though, something that teaching unions need to bear in mind.

Of course and those things you've mentioned are even more important than education. Children need the social interaction just like adults do. The younger children need all the basic skills they learning from playing together and interacting with other children. But as I said, a lot of people who have been giving off, aren't giving off about those things you listed out or the children's education, they're giving off because it's a pain in the ass minding the kids in the house or not having child care. This just wasn't teaching unions who closed schools, it was the parents of children and the general public as well. People were demanding it due to the spread and increase in C19 numbers. So when numbers are through the roof and hospitals struggling to cope, Itchy wants a large majority of the population mixing on a daily basis in small room and then going home to their families. Maybe the teachers down south have downed tools but we certainly haven't in the North.

And teachers want to use COVID as an excuse to stay at home, bargain for better pay, extend their holidays or whatever you are having and pretend it is because they are concerned and health. They will ignore the health advice from one of the most conservative bodies I have ever come across (NPHET) and claim that it is wrong because it is telling them to go back to work. But don't try to tell me teachers unions are one bit concerned about kids or wider society - not a f**king hope. All about themselves, it always has been even before COVID. They want their terms and conditions and a cherry on top but dont look for performance accountability, no we cant have that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 20, 2021, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

Correct.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

For a start teachers want PPE. That's one thing. A proper test and trace system which doesn't exist at the moment. A proper definition of close contacts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mackers on January 20, 2021, 03:06:41 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

For a start teachers want PPE. That's one thing. A proper test and trace system which doesn't exist at the moment. A proper definition of close contacts.
Doesn't seem unreasonable. Let the unions go to the Education Authority with a proposal on they see that working in the classroom.  If they are turned down by the EA shout it from the rooftops.  Ask the EA for reasons why they can't facilitate these requests if they can't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:12:11 PM
The major problem with Special Education is that students are not getting OT, speech therapy and various important assessments face to face and teachers instead to pick up slack. These students have been denied these for years by cutbacks and poor services provided by state so to put all this on teachers now is laughable.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 03:32:38 PM
I think it's a crap excuse for teachers to cry about face masks but I haven't heard any of my colleagues or any of my friends in other schools cry about face masks. If this is a thing the unions are going on about then they need to catch themselves on. You can buy a face mask for a few quid ffs.

Special schools are a different story altogether and they have very close contact with pupils. I know the local special school that my nephew attends have been totally plagued with covid cases. They had to close classes and sections of the school off on a weekly basis. My sister has ended up keeping him home for fear of him getting covid as he has a heart condition thst means he is high risk. The staff in here definitely need to be protected and so do the children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 03:32:38 PM
I think it's a crap excuse for teachers to cry about face masks but I haven't heard any of my colleagues or any of my friends in other schools cry about face masks. If this is a thing the unions are going on about then they need to catch themselves on. You can buy a face mask for a few quid ffs.

Special schools are a different story altogether and they have very close contact with pupils. I know the local special school that my nephew attends have been totally plagued with covid cases. They had to close classes and sections of the school off on a weekly basis. My sister has ended up keeping him home for fear of him getting covid as he has a heart condition thst means he is high risk. The staff in here definitely need to be protected and so do the children.

The issue at the moment is special educational schools though. SNAs need proper PPE as they do personal care needs for one thing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on January 20, 2021, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 20, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Itchy is going over the top in some of the things he's said but one of the main points that I agree with him on is the lack of a proactive response from the teacher's unions to see how best things can work in a classroom.  Remote learning is only marginally better than nothing.  The teacher's unions sound like the DUP in basically saying no to everything.  Engage with the Education Authority ( and it's equivalent in the south) and let's see how we can get more children into the schools whilst minimising the risk to the teaching staff.  Everyone involved has had from March to get things organised but from the outside looking in this has played out like a typical public sector/heavily unionised mess.

Over the summer (of 2020) a lot schools meticulously planned how things would work in the classroom. Speaking to a few teachers working in different schools, this generally involved limiting class sizes, operating week on/week off, or 3 days in/ 2 days out (for students, not teachers)From memory Unions backed those sort of proposals, but the minister said no.
Haven't spoken to one teacher who enjoys trying to use Google meet etc. They'd all rather be in school. Not saying they're not out there. But I've yet to meet one.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?

Perhaps a visor in combination when you are very close. I am sure if the SNA picked up the phone and rang a doctor they would find out. But that would take a bit of get up and go wouldnt it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.
Are you referring to teachers here.  I am a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?
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This is the danger of letting amateurs make decisions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 20, 2021, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Best ignored mate.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.
Are you referring to teachers here.  I am a teacher.

Yes thats exactly who I am referring to, in general, as I know of many who came into schools during the summer and got it ready for life with covid. They were the minority. So apologies for generalising but there's not much point doing otherwise when the people who supposedly represent you are acting so horrendously.

As for me being an amateur, thats true. But me and people like me, that tried to get our work colleagues through this pandemic that none of us were prepared for are proud to say we have kept the spread of Covid out out of our facility.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

And in a special education setting how do you maintain social distance?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

I've told you enough. You don't have the competence to think for yourself it seems. You need some suit in department of education who knows nothing about your school to tell you how to run it. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will pacify you because you want the impossible. There is no "zero risk" strategy for a disease like COVID. Do you even understand the concept of risk? You know there is a risk going to the shop, taking the dog for a walk. The truth is sweet f**k all teachers have been effected by COVID and you are acting like you are the highest risk in society. It is you who is embarrassing yourself, especially when you consider what nurses and doctors do daily putting ye to shame. Shame is what ye should be feeling.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
That was a tough day. Fortnite servers were down at morning. Had to log on  >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

And in a special education setting how do you maintain social distance?

Mask/visor. Its not that hard. How does a doctor treat a patient. Go and ask them. Use your initiative for f**k sake.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

I've told you enough. You don't have the competence to think for yourself it seems. You need some suit in department of education who knows nothing about your school to tell you how to run it. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will pacify you because you want the impossible. There is no "zero risk" strategy for a disease like COVID. Do you even understand the concept of risk? You know there is a risk going to the shop, taking the dog for a walk. The truth is sweet f**k all teachers have been effected by COVID and you are acting like you are the highest risk in society. It is you who is embarrassing yourself, especially when you consider what nurses and doctors do daily putting ye to shame. Shame is what ye should be feeling.

As I've said several times, I am in school. Like my colleagues are. We don't have social distancing in school. It's impossible to maintain, especially in the younger classes. Is this an Angelo alt? Itchy hasn't a clue, he's been found out to be a total bullshitter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
That was a tough day. Fortnite servers were down at morning. Had to log on  >:(

Did you use the PlayStation to go on google classroom. You can use a PlayStation 5 and an Xbox now to get onto GC. No excuses now!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on January 20, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
None of any of you are working that hard by the looks of it, slabbering on here all day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 20, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
None of any of you are working that hard by the looks of it, slabbering on here all day

Just on breaks. Hard to put the day in sitting on my hole all day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2021, 05:40:26 PM
I think it's simple enough to understand, the education system in the South is a shambles and in the North the hard working education system is providing a service both at school and online.

Key workers kids being looked after also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

I've told you enough. You don't have the competence to think for yourself it seems. You need some suit in department of education who knows nothing about your school to tell you how to run it. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will pacify you because you want the impossible. There is no "zero risk" strategy for a disease like COVID. Do you even understand the concept of risk? You know there is a risk going to the shop, taking the dog for a walk. The truth is sweet f**k all teachers have been effected by COVID and you are acting like you are the highest risk in society. It is you who is embarrassing yourself, especially when you consider what nurses and doctors do daily putting ye to shame. Shame is what ye should be feeling.
This is untrue.   We had 14 teachers in out school who tested positive and 3 are still not fully recovered.  Teachers don't make the news in this regard.  I know teachers who are 'Clinically Extremely Vulnerable' yet have taught ever class this year, face to face when students are in school, so perhaps you night moderate your rants a wee bit.  They take the risk for the sake of the students because they care.  They have no shame and neither do I.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:43:32 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:14:27 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:04:16 PM
Itchy if you think you can maintain 2m distancing in school then you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I never said you should keep 2m. You are a teacher right? I assume that qualifies you to read and comprehend. I gave you a rock solid definition of close contact as it seems impossible for you to figure it out yourselves. 1m, indoor, face to face for a combined total of 15m.

This is the problem some of you shower. No matter what anyone says to ye, you will find a problem with it. All you see is problems, not solutions.

Ok, give me your definition of what we would do in school to maintain social distancing? You're making a dick of yourself on here.

I've told you enough. You don't have the competence to think for yourself it seems. You need some suit in department of education who knows nothing about your school to tell you how to run it. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will pacify you because you want the impossible. There is no "zero risk" strategy for a disease like COVID. Do you even understand the concept of risk? You know there is a risk going to the shop, taking the dog for a walk. The truth is sweet f**k all teachers have been effected by COVID and you are acting like you are the highest risk in society. It is you who is embarrassing yourself, especially when you consider what nurses and doctors do daily putting ye to shame. Shame is what ye should be feeling.
This is untrue.   We had 14 teachers in out school who tested positive and 3 are still not fully recovered.  Teachers don't make the news in this regard.  I know teachers who are 'Clinically Extremely Vulnerable' yet have taught ever class this year, face to face when students are in school, so perhaps you night moderate your rants a wee bit.  They take the risk for the sake of the students because they care.  They have no shame and neither do I.

You'll tip itchy over the edge here with that sort of talk
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2021, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
That was a tough day. Fortnite servers were down at morning. Had to log on  >:(

Did you use the PlayStation to go on google classroom. You can use a PlayStation 5 and an Xbox now to get onto GC. No excuses now!

Tout
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 20, 2021, 06:12:15 PM
ONS in Eng/ Wales shows at least 65 education staff have died with coronavirus, of which 43 were women and 22 were men, as of April 20.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 20, 2021, 06:12:15 PM
ONS in Eng/ Wales shows at least 65 education staff have died with coronavirus, of which 43 were women and 22 were men, as of April 20.

How many contracted covid in school? Is that more or less than other professions? The UK is a bad place to sample given their atrocious reaction to covid in society in general.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas". 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 20, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Based on what evidence ....nobody else  socialise? .....
Stephen nolan standard  statistical analysis as usual!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2021, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Jesus Christ

I think at this point these are WUM's
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 20, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time
None that I know of.  Many of the teachers on our staff have elderly parents and therefore need to be as careful outside of school as inside.  The staff in our school want to be in class teaching.  If you have evidence of above, perhaps speak to the Gardaí Síochána because that should not be happening.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.

I rest my case
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: macdanger2 on January 20, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?

What are childcare workers in crèches doing? For the small number of students involved, the unions should have been able to agree something to allow special needs kids go back to school. Plenty of other sectors are doing their part, the teaching unions are the exception here
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 20, 2021, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 20, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.

In fairness, the amount of posts he puts up here and the amount of time that entails...he would have the kids' work sorted for the full week!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 08:28:22 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 20, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 04:34:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2021, 03:06:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2021, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 20, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?

What are childcare workers in crèches doing? For the small number of students involved, the unions should have been able to agree something to allow special needs kids go back to school. Plenty of other sectors are doing their part, the teaching unions are the exception here

It was actually the SNAs union put a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 20, 2021, 09:20:02 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?
I do see what you are saying here, but who does everyone think is running the economy and keeping folk fed, watered and serviced atm. Surely for example if a factory our size has kept open from the start(2k workers) attempts can be made elsewhere to make workplaces  safe. We were hit bad at the start to be fair , but few sensible tweaks of practices made massive difference. We have had no confirmed cases that I know of since November
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?

I do get it,  you don't. I've machine's with 4 shifts in and out using them. What gave we done that the teachers in thst school didn't. Come on, think about it, it's not that hard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?

I do get it,  you don't. I've machine's with 4 shifts in and out using them. What gave we done that the teachers in thst school didn't. Come on, think about it, it's not that hard.
Not sure - maybe don't have 28 children in at the same time?  Apart from that, you have definitely stumped me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 21, 2021, 07:04:54 PM
O'Neill is going to be an expert gamer by the time this lockdown finally ends.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on January 21, 2021, 07:45:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D
Whose we? North or South?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 21, 2021, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 21, 2021, 07:45:16 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D
Whose we? North or South?

North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 21, 2021, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 21, 2021, 07:04:54 PM
O'Neill is going to be an expert gamer by the time this lockdown finally ends.

7 kills today.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 21, 2021, 08:55:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 21, 2021, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 21, 2021, 07:04:54 PM
O'Neill is going to be an expert gamer by the time this lockdown finally ends.

7 kills today.

Can't get my hands on a PS5 anywhere. Might pay over the odds one with whatever back pay money I have left.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 21, 2021, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 20, 2021, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.
One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.
You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?

I do get it,  you don't. I've machine's with 4 shifts in and out using them. What gave we done that the teachers in thst school didn't. Come on, think about it, it's not that hard.
Not sure - maybe don't have 28 children in at the same time?  Apart from that, you have definitely stumped me.

Special needs kids who may not get and follow restrictions
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Were you absent from school the day 'sense of humour' was explained?!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Were you absent from school the day 'sense of humour' was explained?!!

So ye are taking credit for sense of humor teaching now too. When children with special needs are cast aside so that precious teachers can stay "safe", well I draw the line at that. Maybe you were missing from school when social responsibility, selfishness and the concept of the greater good were explained?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Were you absent from school the day 'sense of humour' was explained?!!

He's obviously had a tough time in school and is still bitter about it so he's taking it out on us.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 09:01:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Were you absent from school the day 'sense of humour' was explained?!!

He's obviously had a tough time in school and is still bitter about it so he's taking it out on us.

No Jim, I didnt actually even if you believe it to be obvious. I was a lot younger then but I certainly don't remember greedy unions running the show back then and I think of some of the great teachers I had, they really felt it was a vocation for them. Of course there were useless teachers too who got away with knowing and doing nothing but sure some things never change as they say.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
 Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

Is this the famous sense of humour teaching I missed out on? Its a but underwhelming, I know you are trying hard to be funny buts not really working for you. its also a strange thing to say to someone with a Degree in Maths, you should have picked on Home Economics or Chemistry maybe.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 22, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2021, 07:40:22 PM
Looking like we are not back after half term....itchy will be going clean mad  :D

I've more important stuff going on today than dealing with you clowns mocking your own profession. Carry on.
Were you absent from school the day 'sense of humour' was explained?!!

So ye are taking credit for sense of humor teaching now too. When children with special needs are cast aside so that precious teachers can stay "safe", well I draw the line at that. Maybe you were missing from school when social responsibility, selfishness and the concept of the greater good were explained?

Special needs students have been cast aside for years with cuts of necessary services. They don't get the necessary OT, ST, physio and psychological assessment needs so to now come out and attack teachers is laughable when they've been neglected for years by the state. Also these services are not been operated at all  now because of covid but teachers are expected to stay all day in the room with them. Hypocritical.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

Is this the famous sense of humour teaching I missed out on? Its a but underwhelming, I know you are trying hard to be funny buts not really working for you. its also a strange thing to say to someone with a Degree in Maths, you should have picked on Home Economics or Chemistry maybe.

It all makes sense now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 22, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

All messing aside I was at a bit of fraction work with the eldest myself and it's hard enough to remember. I can do it. But I don't know how I can do it. And I don't know how to explain it, he gets it and then he doesn't get it and round and round and on and on and on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on January 22, 2021, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 22, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

All messing aside I was at a bit of fraction work with the eldest myself and it's hard enough to remember. I can do it. But I don't know how I can do it. And I don't know how to explain it, he gets it and then he doesn't get it and round and round and on and on and on.

I wouldn't be hectic at maths- always found OL grand, but HL used to be one step too far into the abyss.  I would always look at it as a step by step process, so break what you know into steps in sequence.  Chances are there's a rule that you know implicitly, but you're not saying it or showing it to the young buck.  A very quick Google might find it, and save ye both a bit of frustration.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 22, 2021, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
myself and missus both working from home and expected to homeschool too which is ridiculous tbh. the lockdowns aren't working and aren't going to work, but there's too many looking to keep lockdowns going for their own selfish interests. my kids haven't been in school for well over a month now and there's no way that is good for their mental health to be stuck at home until at least mid term. It's soul destroying and I'm really fed up with the lockdown nazis at this stage.

In the absence of lockdown what would be your solution for controlling the virus clar?

I feel your pain but I cant see another way out of it currently.

Wish I could
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 02:58:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
myself and missus both working from home and expected to homeschool too which is ridiculous tbh. the lockdowns aren't working and aren't going to work, but there's too many looking to keep lockdowns going for their own selfish interests. my kids haven't been in school for well over a month now and there's no way that is good for their mental health to be stuck at home until at least mid term. It's soul destroying and I'm really fed up with the lockdown nazis at this stage.

Honest question Clarshack, are the kids unhappy or how do you know they're unhappy?

I think kids are resilient enough, especially if there's two or three at home.

I suppose it depends on their age also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 22, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
Young kids + WFH = f**k all done.
I spent 3 hours helping with school work this am. I'm exhausted and so is the young lad. And I am trying to run a business ffs! I'm hiding from my own employees!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 22, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
Young kids + WFH = f**k all done.
I spent 3 hours helping with school work this am. I'm exhausted and so is the young lad. And I am trying to run a business ffs! I'm hiding from my own employees!!!

Just 3 hours...you couldn't be a 9 - 3 teacher.

You'd be wrecked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2021, 03:08:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 02:58:47 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 22, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
myself and missus both working from home and expected to homeschool too which is ridiculous tbh. the lockdowns aren't working and aren't going to work, but there's too many looking to keep lockdowns going for their own selfish interests. my kids haven't been in school for well over a month now and there's no way that is good for their mental health to be stuck at home until at least mid term. It's soul destroying and I'm really fed up with the lockdown nazis at this stage.

Honest question Clarshack, are the kids unhappy or how do you know they're unhappy?

I think kids are resilient enough, especially if there's two or three at home.

I suppose it depends on their age also.

they miss their friends and i'm sure it's the same for most kids stuck at home atm.

This is very hard to guage I think.  People use the term 'good for their mental health" etc. but I'm not so sure.  This is just from my own first hand experience.

My kids are loving it - not doing much school work though but they watch the School Hub and enjoy it.  Learn more from it than anything.  It's visual and interested.  Good range of topics covered, whatever the age range.

But they seem happy and don't mention their friends.

Maybe not every child like this but a lot of friends in contact through their phones and gaming etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 22, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.

Little query for  ye
Who do you think is responsible for the maintenance and up keep of school buildings ?
And for your information, the whole Education Authority Maintenance Contract situation is a complete and utter RIP off job by the private contractors ! Private Financing Initiative - another joke - school mortgaged for millions of pounds a year !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 22, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.

Little query for  ye
Who do you think is responsible for the maintenance and up keep of school buildings ?
And for your information, the whole Education Authority Maintenance Contract situation is a complete and utter RIP off job by the private contractors ! Private Financing Initiative - another joke - school mortgaged for millions of pounds a year !

Correct...a total horror story...it's a wonder why it hasn't been exposed...costing schools thousands every year out of their budget which could otherwise be spent on books and equipment for pupils.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 22, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

Is this the famous sense of humour teaching I missed out on? Its a but underwhelming, I know you are trying hard to be funny buts not really working for you. its also a strange thing to say to someone with a Degree in Maths, you should have picked on Home Economics or Chemistry maybe.
Congratulations - a degree in Maths!!  Doesn't mean you can teach it, of course.  Could be typos, but starting to look like you might have missed out on a few other lessons as well.   ;D ;)  Maybe if you insulted teachers less, it would bring a kinder response to some of your posts (rants).   There are many teachers doing an outstanding job at present in very challenging circumstances.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 22, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.

Little query for  ye
Who do you think is responsible for the maintenance and up keep of school buildings ?
And for your information, the whole Education Authority Maintenance Contract situation is a complete and utter RIP off job by the private contractors ! Private Financing Initiative - another joke - school mortgaged for millions of pounds a year !

Correct...a total horror story...it's a wonder why it hasn't been exposed...costing schools thousands every year out of their budget which could otherwise be spent on books and equipment for pupils.

You think principals/BOG would be allowed to get a local contractor in to sort issues under a certain amount of money.

The way it is now is a rip off.

Talk about the educational system etc. In crisis - waffle to me if they can afford to get someone to fix a window at X amount of money when it could be sorted for a quarter of that price.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 22, 2021, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 22, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.

Little query for  ye
Who do you think is responsible for the maintenance and up keep of school buildings ?
And for your information, the whole Education Authority Maintenance Contract situation is a complete and utter RIP off job by the private contractors ! Private Financing Initiative - another joke - school mortgaged for millions of pounds a year !

Correct...a total horror story...it's a wonder why it hasn't been exposed...costing schools thousands every year out of their budget which could otherwise be spent on books and equipment for pupils.

You think principals/BOG would be allowed to get a local contractor in to sort issues under a certain amount of money.

The way it is now is a rip off.

Talk about the educational system etc. In crisis - waffle to me if they can afford to get someone to fix a window at X amount of money when it could be sorted for a quarter of that price.

Strangely - it's all to do with the EU  competition controls ... be interesting to see what happens next !
60% of the Education budget goes directly to schools. 40% is eaten up by special needs support, transport, maintenance, DENi, EA, CCMS  etc etc .
E.g
Two contractors control the entire maintenance Contract in South East Area . They then subcontract in other companies to do the work !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2021, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 22, 2021, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 22, 2021, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 22, 2021, 09:31:01 AM
Itchy can't do the Home schooling Maths....too hard for him..

His babysitting service has been stopped. Its no more complicated than that

Another know it all that knows nothing. My wife works from home and her business is now ruined because of covid. So I dont need a baby sitter. Do you ever get tired of talking shite. Earlier in the week you were telling me how things work in my work place and now you are telling me my baby sitting arrangements. Another little fool who knows nothing about anything. People have lost their livelihoods yet these people think they have a god given right to sit at home and pretend they can do their jobs properly from there when half of them can barely turn on a pc. They tell us they are more at risk than other groups when they are not and they expect full pay and no doubt a pay rise too. They also expect a magical dept of education fairy to fix up all their schools for them.
The kids, with and without special needs  can just f**k off. Greedy and selfish people, two of the most ugly traits you can have.

Little query for  ye
Who do you think is responsible for the maintenance and up keep of school buildings ?
And for your information, the whole Education Authority Maintenance Contract situation is a complete and utter RIP off job by the private contractors ! Private Financing Initiative - another joke - school mortgaged for millions of pounds a year !

Correct...a total horror story...it's a wonder why it hasn't been exposed...costing schools thousands every year out of their budget which could otherwise be spent on books and equipment for pupils.

You think principals/BOG would be allowed to get a local contractor in to sort issues under a certain amount of money.

The way it is now is a rip off.

Talk about the educational system etc. In crisis - waffle to me if they can afford to get someone to fix a window at X amount of money when it could be sorted for a quarter of that price.

This doesn't apply to grammar schools though fir some reason...they can do their own shopping. Poor secondaries and primaries have no choice ...go with the board contractor or you don't get the job done... 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 22, 2021, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 22, 2021, 07:58:24 PM
Strangely - it's all to do with the EU  competition controls ... be interesting to see what happens next !

Unless those competition controls also existed in the mid-90s when Nimbus was ripping the arse off them...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on January 22, 2021, 11:14:32 PM
It's hardly confined to schools, it's public sector wide. £200 to fit a lock etc
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 11:23:05 PM
I got a mate to put up a few wall display boards for £20. We supplied the wood etc. After a few days I was told they need to be taken down as they weren't insured. The EA employed someone to do and it cost a few hundred quid and a couple of weeks to get someone to do it  it was my mate doing the work again. We had to buy the supplies they recommend and my mate got paid well over the odds. I got a real eye opener that day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 22, 2021, 11:32:34 PM
Another week over.
Dave knows the craic

https://fb.watch/3b5J71bonh/ (https://fb.watch/3b5J71bonh/)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 23, 2021, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 11:23:05 PM
I got a mate to put up a few wall display boards for £20. We supplied the wood etc. After a few days I was told they need to be taken down as they weren't insured. The EA employed someone to do and it cost a few hundred quid and a couple of weeks to get someone to do it  it was my mate doing the work again. We had to buy the supplies they recommend and my mate got paid well over the odds. I got a real eye opener that day

What's a wall display?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 23, 2021, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 22, 2021, 11:23:05 PM
I got a mate to put up a few wall display boards for £20. We supplied the wood etc. After a few days I was told they need to be taken down as they weren't insured. The EA employed someone to do and it cost a few hundred quid and a couple of weeks to get someone to do it  it was my mate doing the work again. We had to buy the supplies they recommend and my mate got paid well over the odds. I got a real eye opener that day

Thats unreal Jim, but not surprisingly.

If replicated all over the schools' estate, that'd be some saving.

Are the schools not insured regardless i.e. public liability as loads of people in and out on a daily basis?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 24, 2021, 09:28:41 AM
We needed a new floor in our school hall.. we asked the local contractor just to to price it even though he could only do it if directed by the board contractor. He eventually completed the job through the board contractor but the price was £1200 more than if he had done the job himself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work

How can that be justified?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work

It's the same with C2K and laptops, we pay well over the odds but at least I can see the security services, tech support etc that they provide us with. The C2k argument is for another day though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 24, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work

How can that be justified?

EU competition directives
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 24, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work

How can that be justified?

EU competition directives

And after Brexit?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 24, 2021, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 01:33:12 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 24, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 24, 2021, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 24, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Even things like stationary is a 1/4 of the price in the local stationary shop. Whoever gets the contracts from the EA must be laughing

As I said Jim it's public service wide, you are paying for the service (over the odds as it is) as much as the actual work

How can that be justified?

EU competition directives

And after Brexit?

We are waiting with a bated breath.
Education Authority have been reviewing the maintenance contracts part for a year !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:16:55 AM
Same - not sure how it would work practically but it should be considered now as a plan B.

I would have said it is the early years kids that are missing the teacher contact most - I know with our wee one that it's as much as we can do to get her weekly worksheets completed and handed in, its less about teaching her and more about ticking the box - and as I say there are many more disadvantaged and in most instances through no fault of the parents/guardians who are trying to hold down a job at the same time. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?

Its defs having big impact, so much developmental  regression
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on January 28, 2021, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?

Its defs having big impact, so much developmental  regression

But how can all this be measured?

As I stated before, my kids are enjoying 'being off'. Maybe they're too young to understand but they have each other for company for the social side, which is the most important.  For a single child family, that'll be very tough.

The kids do some work at home, bits and pieces but it's a battle but one thing they always do, is read at night.  This is very impprtant.  Parents, above all else, should be reading to (depending on child's age) or listen to their kids read at night for 10 mins.

This makes a huge difference if it's done night after night and it's so easy to do.  Just takes 10 mins out of schedule at night.  Not too much to ask.  Always gets them off to a happy sleep I think.

As an aside, just watched a bit of Nolan on tv last night and there was an 18 yr old lad on talking about isolating for a long time and the difficulties of that.  He made a point that he's worried he won't recognise his his friends' voices.  I was thinking not great 'friends' if this is the case - surely they should be ringing him or Zoom or whatever.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Taylor on January 28, 2021, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2021, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?

Its defs having big impact, so much developmental  regression

But how can all this be measured?

As I stated before, my kids are enjoying 'being off'. Maybe they're too young to understand but they have each other for company for the social side, which is the most important.  For a single child family, that'll be very tough.

The kids do some work at home, bits and pieces but it's a battle but one thing they always do, is read at night.  This is very impprtant.  Parents, above all else, should be reading to (depending on child's age) or listen to their kids read at night for 10 mins.

This makes a huge difference if it's done night after night and it's so easy to do.  Just takes 10 mins out of schedule at night.  Not too much to ask.  Always gets them off to a happy sleep I think.

As an aside, just watched a bit of Nolan on tv last night and there was an 18 yr old lad on talking about isolating for a long time and the difficulties of that.  He made a point that he's worried he won't recognise his his friends' voices.  I was thinking not great 'friends' if this is the case - surely they should be ringing him or Zoom or whatever.

Sorry Marty - not being smart here - but is the kid blind that he is worried he wont recognise their voices?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 11:19:16 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2021, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?

Its defs having big impact, so much developmental  regression

But how can all this be measured?

As I stated before, my kids are enjoying 'being off'. Maybe they're too young to understand but they have each other for company for the social side, which is the most important.  For a single child family, that'll be very tough.

The kids do some work at home, bits and pieces but it's a battle but one thing they always do, is read at night.  This is very impprtant.  Parents, above all else, should be reading to (depending on child's age) or listen to their kids read at night for 10 mins.

This makes a huge difference if it's done night after night and it's so easy to do.  Just takes 10 mins out of schedule at night.  Not too much to ask.  Always gets them off to a happy sleep I think.

As an aside, just watched a bit of Nolan on tv last night and there was an 18 yr old lad on talking about isolating for a long time and the difficulties of that.  He made a point that he's worried he won't recognise his his friends' voices.  I was thinking not great 'friends' if this is the case - surely they should be ringing him or Zoom or whatever.

Yeah, they're doing work but they're not learning any new stuff, that's the problem.

The teachers know how much of the syllabus they've covered with the kids when they were in school and know where they should be and two teachers doing hands on teaching (not principals) say that between losing from March 2020, large mid term breaks and now till at least March 2021 it's a full year behind...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
Was waiting to get into the shop last night, girl in front of me was complaining (to me, a complete stranger) that the schools need to be open as her daughter can't do the 8 times tables, that she was shit at school and can't help her! Her mum was going to download tables and laminate them! WTF

Schools need to open up soon, this particular child won't miss out on a years worth of schooling, it will have a huge and wider impact on that girls life after school, I don't know what the answer is and how we have that safe schooling, but there are kids out there that never going to develop...

The same girl came out of the Offy with a bottle of vodka, home schooling or lack of is taking it toll on for some
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:33:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
Was waiting to get into the shop last night, girl in front of me was complaining (to me, a complete stranger) that the schools need to be open as her daughter can't do the 8 times tables, that she was shit at school and can't help her! Her mum was going to download tables and laminate them! WTF

Schools need to open up soon, this particular child won't miss out on a years worth of schooling, it will have a huge and wider impact on that girls life after school, I don't know what the answer is and how we have that safe schooling, but there are kids out there that never going to develop...

The same girl came out of the Offy with a bottle of vodka, home schooling or lack of is taking it toll on for some

The state of this post. Like something off facebook.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2021, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 28, 2021, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55834042)

Pupils in Northern Ireland are not set to return to school until Monday 8 March at the earliest.

Education Minister Peter Weir made the recommendation in a paper to be discussed by the executive on Thursday, BBC News NI understands.

It may also be the case that only some year groups go back to school on 8 March, if a return then is possible.


At what point does the year become a write-off, while we aren't so bad, (1 in P1) the wife is part time (and a qualifies secondary teacher) so just about manage to get through the weeks work - how do families with multiple kids and 2 parents in work, or a single working parent and no teaching ability manage? Those kids are severely disadvantaged, I can't help but think beyond the death toll this will be the biggest legacy of the pandemic.

I'd be friendly with a few primary school teachers, some principals, VP's and the likes and they all said the same things, that all the kids in primary school are almost a full year behind where they should be and believe that come August/September all Kids get held back a year to allow them to catch up.
Not sure of the practicalities of that but certainly the work my wee one whose P4 is just going over the same stuff she knows as how do you actually teach kids that young online or via teams.seesaw and the likes?

Its defs having big impact, so much developmental  regression

But how can all this be measured?

As I stated before, my kids are enjoying 'being off'. Maybe they're too young to understand but they have each other for company for the social side, which is the most important.  For a single child family, that'll be very tough.

The kids do some work at home, bits and pieces but it's a battle but one thing they always do, is read at night.  This is very impprtant.  Parents, above all else, should be reading to (depending on child's age) or listen to their kids read at night for 10 mins.

This makes a huge difference if it's done night after night and it's so easy to do.  Just takes 10 mins out of schedule at night.  Not too much to ask.  Always gets them off to a happy sleep I think.

As an aside, just watched a bit of Nolan on tv last night and there was an 18 yr old lad on talking about isolating for a long time and the difficulties of that.  He made a point that he's worried he won't recognise his his friends' voices.  I was thinking not great 'friends' if this is the case - surely they should be ringing him or Zoom or whatever.

Reading so important, and time tables , 2 basics that I always done at home and still do. Times Table on childs wall etc. Im more concerned about social skill development and isolation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 28, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
How's Seany getting on?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on January 28, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
If you keep kids back a year what do you do with Septembers intake of P1s?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 28, 2021, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on January 28, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
If you keep kids back a year what do you do with Septembers intake of P1s?

Closing day for applications is tomorrow I think so no changes planned atm
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 28, 2021, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

We get it. Teachers are the baddies.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 28, 2021, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

A. Teachers invented covid.
B.Teachers decided to close schools
C. It is always the fault of teachers that something is wrong in this society.
D.Teachers pay taxes too!
Answer A ,B , C ,D or N
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 05:50:33 PM
Teachers clearly have no sense of humour, no wait it seems the sarcasm or piss take is lost on some posters...

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on January 28, 2021, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 28, 2021, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

A. Teachers invented covid.
B.Teachers decided to close schools
C. It is always the fault of teachers that something is wrong in this society.
D.Teachers pay taxes too!
Answer A ,B , C ,D or N

Near sure James O'Brien said it was the Daily Heil who created this...teachers are the new enemy. That rag always needs an enemy or two. Sells papers and gets clicks
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 28, 2021, 10:46:26 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.

Are there any teachers on this?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 28, 2021, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

You are only hearing the negativity of moaners, scare mongers and unions.Their views do not reflect everyone's position.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:21:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.
We are not allowed to do face to face at present.  There is this thing called a pandemic, public health is at risk, you see.  Any teacher I have spoken to would prefer to teach face to face so your "There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back." is still balls. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on January 28, 2021, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 28, 2021, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

You are only hearing the negativity of moaners, scare mongers and unions.Their views do not reflect everyone's position.
I haven't seen any teachers groups come and disagree with the unions actions, have you?

Trailer summed it up best. Teachers are refusing to work until they get guarantees around covid that can't possibly be given. Thankfully the doctors, nurses, shop workers etc who work in far more dangerous environments for Covid than the teachers haven't gone on strike
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 28, 2021, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.
No you won't. There is no face to face teaching in schools right now. You can plan lessons and upload work. Other than that, you'll be babysitting if you go into school.
Yes, I will.  I will be in school teaching my classes live on Microsoft Teams, speaking to each and every 120 of them.  No babysitting.  Teaching.  So don't try to talk shite on here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 28, 2021, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 28, 2021, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.
No you won't. There is no face to face teaching in schools right now. You can plan lessons and upload work. Other than that, you'll be babysitting if you go into school.

I agree that we are not teaching full classes but we are teaching the children sitting  in front  of us.  Unions much stronger position in South.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on January 28, 2021, 11:42:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 28, 2021, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 28, 2021, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

You are only hearing the negativity of moaners, scare mongers and unions.Their views do not reflect everyone's position.
I haven't seen any teachers groups come and disagree with the unions actions, have you?

Trailer summed it up best. Teachers are refusing to work until they get guarantees around covid that can't possibly be given. Thankfully the doctors, nurses, shop workers etc who work in far more dangerous environments for Covid than the teachers haven't gone on strike

They have all been given ppe though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:43:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 28, 2021, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 28, 2021, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.

I mean in f2f capacity. I don't doubt teachers are in providing a teaching service of sorts.

You are only hearing the negativity of moaners, scare mongers and unions.Their views do not reflect everyone's position.
I haven't seen any teachers groups come and disagree with the unions actions, have you?

Trailer summed it up best. Teachers are refusing to work until they get guarantees around covid that can't possibly be given. Thankfully the doctors, nurses, shop workers etc who work in far more dangerous environments for Covid than the teachers haven't gone on strike
More shite.  I teach full timetable every day, every week.  Some posters here are so out of touch it is pathetic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on January 28, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on January 28, 2021, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 28, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
The problem for parents is that sure the schools are closed but there is no situation in which teachers are happy to go back. There are no circumstances bar eradication of Covid that they'd be happy to go back. The unions offer no solutions. Some parents are able to teach and help their children but many aren't. Many haven't got the technical resources nor the understanding. Teachers well at least their representatives don't appear to get that.
What balls.  I haven't missed a day's teaching since Covid started.  I'll be teaching every day until the end of June.  I'll be back in school tomorrow morning, teaching.
No you won't. There is no face to face teaching in schools right now. You can plan lessons and upload work. Other than that, you'll be babysitting if you go into school.
Yes, I will.  I will be in school teaching my classes live on Microsoft Teams, speaking to each and every 120 of them.  No babysitting.  Teaching.  So don't try to talk shite on here.
No you won't. All you're doing is going into school to make you feel good about yourself. You can "teach" from home. You're not the hero you make yourself out to be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on January 29, 2021, 02:22:48 AM
A fair few posts deleted here.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit...thread might be locked for a while otherwise.

Personal insults will not be tolerated, as everyone seems to understand, and bans will follow.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 29, 2021, 06:26:55 AM
Relax lads. It's nearly midterm.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 29, 2021, 11:13:01 AM
So our supreme leader in the north has just decided , at a whim, to abolish pupil choice by stopping them entering Welsh board exams. The rationale seems to be that they didn't give him any notice about canceling exams so I am getting my own back.
You really couldn't make this up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55848281 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55848281)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thebigfella on January 29, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Now you are talking and maybe have a recruitment consultants one too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 29, 2021, 12:48:06 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on January 29, 2021, 02:22:48 AM
A fair few posts deleted here.

Everyone needs to calm down a bit...thread might be locked for a while otherwise.

Personal insults will not be tolerated, as everyone seems to understand, and bans will follow.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road.

Humour should be funny. I and others don't really find comments sniggering about not having to work while on full pay while others are currently going through financial hardship and risk losing their jobs and livelihoods and where parents have to try and work their own job and do your job for you as funny.

Maybe you should have got some humility lessons.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 29, 2021, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road.

Humour should be funny. I and others don't really find comments sniggering about not having to work while on full pay while others are currently going through financial hardship and risk losing their jobs and livelihoods and where parents have to try and work their own job and do your job for you as funny.

Maybe you should have got some humility lessons.

Someone had a tough time at school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on January 29, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2021, 11:13:01 AM
So our supreme leader in the north has just decided , at a whim, to abolish pupil choice by stopping them entering Welsh board exams. The rationale seems to be that they didn't give him any notice about canceling exams so I am getting my own back.
You really couldn't make this up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55848281 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55848281)

He's a petty bollox.

The statement he put out about schools cancelling the entrance exams showed exactly where his priorities lie and it's not with the kids from disadvantaged backgrounds either side of the political divide.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 29, 2021, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road.

Humour should be funny. I and others don't really find comments sniggering about not having to work while on full pay while others are currently going through financial hardship and risk losing their jobs and livelihoods and where parents have to try and work their own job and do your job for you as funny.

Maybe you should have got some humility lessons.

Someone had a tough time at school.

The type of smug comment I've come to expect.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 29, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 29, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Now you are talking and maybe have a recruitment consultants one too.

GPs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on January 29, 2021, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 29, 2021, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 29, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: restorepride on January 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on January 28, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
Teachers having a nice little injoke here about not having to work on full pay when people are seeing job losses and their businesses battling to stay afloat. Think it tells you an awful lot about their entitlement and lack of empathy.

To make it worse, it's the tax from front line workers who are keeping the show on the road day in day out that pays their wages.

Some of the smug comments on here are pretty shameful tbh.
Wise up and grow up, Angelo.   Looks like Itchy wasn't the only one who missed the 'humour' lessons.   Teachers have been front line workers since August and we are still working full time and getting the pay that we are entitled to, showing lots of empathy each lesson, every day and, guess what, using a bit of humour with the students!!   If businesses are closing, then it is the tax that others pay, including teachers, which is keeping the show on the road.

Humour should be funny. I and others don't really find comments sniggering about not having to work while on full pay while others are currently going through financial hardship and risk losing their jobs and livelihoods and where parents have to try and work their own job and do your job for you as funny.

Maybe you should have got some humility lessons.

Someone had a tough time at school.

The type of smug comment I've come to expect.

Afraid not.  Out of touch with reality of teaching in lockdown.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on January 30, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 29, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on January 29, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Now you are talking and maybe have a recruitment consultants one too.

GPs

The civil service and NHS admin staff thread.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 30, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Yeah suddenly all teachers seem evil and incompetent lol.

It's like anything else. There are bad ones and good ones. I'd plenty of good ones and a couple of horrendous ones too.

The dynamic of the profession basically changed entirely overnight and everyone is expected to adapt instantaneously.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 30, 2021, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 30, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Yeah suddenly all teachers seem evil and incompetent lol.

It's like anything else. There are bad ones and good ones. I'd plenty of good ones and a couple of horrendous ones too.

The dynamic of the profession basically changed entirely overnight and everyone is expected to adapt instantaneously.

I'm not sure people are annoyed at teachers , but they are really frustrated with govt approach to schools and how we have ended up where we are. Of course a lot of professions had to adapt overnight , but I suppose it can be seen as an indicator of the mportance of teaching to our society that teachers maybe get unfair amount of criticism. If I was to anecdotally relay what I've heard people criticise it has been schools and GPS. Now that probably indicates how important each are to us.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 30, 2021, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 30, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: JohnDenver on January 29, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
Don't get the anti teacher sentiment. There'd be no shortage of other professions I'd drive the boot into before teachers.

And like every walk of life, you're going to get a number bad eggs in whatever you look at, that can often give the rest a bad reputation.

Where's the estate agent thread......

Yeah suddenly all teachers seem evil and incompetent lol.

It's like anything else. There are bad ones and good ones. I'd plenty of good ones and a couple of horrendous ones too.

The dynamic of the profession basically changed entirely overnight and everyone is expected to adapt instantaneously.
I'm married to one and her 2 sisters are teachers so I know all about it. My missus is the first to admit that loads of her colleagues have a sense of entitlement that annoys Joe Public. Back in the day teaching was a profession that commanded respect like doctors, lawyers, accountants etc. and now it is just another job - loads of them seem find that hard to take. Sure she still gets annoyed if an ex pupil calls her by her first name  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on January 30, 2021, 10:58:06 AM
It's weird but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the standard of education has increased since I attended school yet teachers were revered back then and get so much more stock now!

🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 30, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 30, 2021, 10:58:06 AM
It's weird but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the standard of education has increased since I attended school yet teachers were revered back then and get so much more stock now!

🤷‍♂️
Everybody and their aunt started going to university around early-mid 90s, whereas back in the day it was a small percentage, so a graduate was held in higher esteem and was certainly a novelty.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 01, 2021, 01:56:41 PM
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011 (https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011)

Study in Norway tested *all* contacts of 5 to 13 year olds with covid. They conclude "transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from children under 14 years of age was minimal in primary schools in Oslo and Viken, the 2 counties with the highest COVID-19 incidence

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670)

NEJM study of schools in Sweden (distancing encouraged, but not masks). Of 1,951,905 children, 0 deaths from COVID, 15 ICU. Of 103,596 teachers, 20 ICU, lower relative risk of ICU compared to other occupations (excludes healthcare)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 01, 2021, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2021, 01:56:41 PM
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011 (https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011)

Study in Norway tested *all* contacts of 5 to 13 year olds with covid. They conclude "transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from children under 14 years of age was minimal in primary schools in Oslo and Viken, the 2 counties with the highest COVID-19 incidence

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670)

NEJM study of schools in Sweden (distancing encouraged, but not masks). Of 1,951,905 children, 0 deaths from COVID, 15 ICU. Of 103,596 teachers, 20 ICU, lower relative risk of ICU compared to other occupations (excludes healthcare)
We don't live in Norway or Sweden, so this post is relatively meaningless. 

Just have a bit of respect for the current public health pandemic here (and schools/teachers) and all will work out in the long run.   

How many adults to transport this number of children (in bold) to school? 

No teachers at schools = 20 ICU beds freed up in Sweden, by your stats.  Has to be a positive?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 02, 2021, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 01, 2021, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 01, 2021, 01:56:41 PM
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011 (https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011)

Study in Norway tested *all* contacts of 5 to 13 year olds with covid. They conclude "transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from children under 14 years of age was minimal in primary schools in Oslo and Viken, the 2 counties with the highest COVID-19 incidence

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670)

NEJM study of schools in Sweden (distancing encouraged, but not masks). Of 1,951,905 children, 0 deaths from COVID, 15 ICU. Of 103,596 teachers, 20 ICU, lower relative risk of ICU compared to other occupations (excludes healthcare)
We don't live in Norway or Sweden, so this post is relatively meaningless. 

Just have a bit of respect for the current public health pandemic here (and schools/teachers) and all will work out in the long run.   

How many adults to transport this number of children (in bold) to school? 

No teachers at schools = 20 ICU beds freed up in Sweden, by your stats.  Has to be a positive?

I'd be happy for teachers and students to go back to school so we could conduct the study here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 02, 2021, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........
I think this "doing nothing" nonsense was put out of its misery on here a long time ago. Catch up!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 02, 2021, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

Two Year pay deal as agreed in previous industrial action brought to a conclusion ,equates to £20 a week on average .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 02, 2021, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

Two Year pay deal as agreed in previous industrial action brought to a conclusion ,equates to £20 a week on average .

So there will be back pay for last year and the last lockdown when the schools were shut and the teachers did noting ......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 02, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 02, 2021, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

Two Year pay deal as agreed in previous industrial action brought to a conclusion ,equates to £20 a week on average .

So there will be back pay for last year and the last lockdown when the schools were shut and the teachers did noting ......
Yes, we make a lot of notes.  Professional teachers do plan for students who need support - lots of notes.  The board can see clearly why this is  needed.  Please make a note.   Now, away and wise up!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 02, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Is he not a teacher? Hard to know who is serious and who isn't in this thread any more lol.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Is he not a teacher? Hard to know who is serious and who isn't in this thread any more lol.

A teacher I may be but I will never claim to be a professional
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 02, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 02, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 07:38:18 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 02, 2021, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

Two Year pay deal as agreed in previous industrial action brought to a conclusion ,equates to £20 a week on average .

So there will be back pay for last year and the last lockdown when the schools were shut and the teachers did noting ......
Yes, we make a lot of notes.  Professional teachers do plan for students who need support - lots of notes.  The board can see clearly why this is  needed.  Please make a note.   Now, away and wise up!

Teachers winding up teachers is exactly what this thread needs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 02, 2021, 08:45:25 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Is he not a teacher? Hard to know who is serious and who isn't in this thread any more lol.

A teacher I may be but I will never claim to be a professional
Would a teacher not have used a full stop?! I wonder what EPD means?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 02, 2021, 08:54:03 PM
When are we getting this back pay then?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 02, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 02, 2021, 08:54:03 PM
When are we getting this back pay then?
Just announced today by Minister Murphy ...so probably next year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 02, 2021, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 02, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 02, 2021, 08:54:03 PM
When are we getting this back pay then?
Just announced today by Minister Murphy ...so probably next year.
Is this for last year? We got our back pay last year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 02, 2021, 08:45:25 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 02, 2021, 07:51:16 PM
Is he not a teacher? Hard to know who is serious and who isn't in this thread any more lol.

A teacher I may be but I will never claim to be a professional
Would a teacher not have used a full stop?! I wonder what EPD means?
Unprofessional

EPD ? Is the some sort of new popular music group like ELO?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2021, 09:57:18 PM
Not far off half term now.

Looking forward to keeping the pyjama top on longer in the mornings.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 08, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2021, 09:57:18 PM
Not far off half term now.

Looking forward to keeping the pyjama top on longer in the mornings.

Only a few days left!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 08, 2021, 11:26:00 PM
Some of our students are now really lacking motivation in their learning so I think that the break for them is coming at a good time. 

A very difficult time for many students and their families so hopefully not long before we are all back in the proper learning environment. 

Real, genuine teachers actually miss their students and vice versa.   
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 09, 2021, 12:03:44 AM
I'd say the buy in post mid term will be absolutely atrocious. Forcing the reopening in early March. There will be uproar here if they extend the closure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 09, 2021, 12:27:39 AM
Not sure young ones care atm, fizz completely gone, 2 school years a lot to lose, seems an eternity to young ones. I work with a lad whose wife to be teaches- she apparently said to him that the only ones at school are "those wains whose parents couldn't be bothered to watch them" damage and mistrust has been created in some parts. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on February 09, 2021, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 09, 2021, 12:27:39 AM
Not sure young ones care atm, fizz completely gone, 2 school years a lot to lose, seems an eternity to young ones. I work with a lad whose wife to be teaches- she apparently said to him that the only ones at school are "those wains whose parents couldn't be bothered to watch them" damage and mistrust has been created in some parts.

I said that before - there were pupils in school whose parents were not frontline workers.

Just sent them in as they didn't want to be a babysitter.

Kids seem to sense when holidays are coming up and slacken off the work appropiately.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 09, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 09, 2021, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 09, 2021, 12:27:39 AM
Not sure young ones care atm, fizz completely gone, 2 school years a lot to lose, seems an eternity to young ones. I work with a lad whose wife to be teaches- she apparently said to him that the only ones at school are "those wains whose parents couldn't be bothered to watch them" damage and mistrust has been created in some parts.

I said that before - there were pupils in school whose parents were not frontline workers.

Just sent them in as they didn't want to be a babysitter.

Kids seem to sense when holidays are coming up and slacken off the work appropiately.

wile slap in face though to the majority of parents who are though
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 11, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?

Too busy on social media telling everyone how exhausted they are. Most of them wouldn't know a days work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
How do you think the grades should be awarded - by one system of two?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....

Is that north or sourh?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2021, 06:31:04 PM
Wife is still working!!!

I'm busy knitting her a cape!

Glad she's off for the week, dinners will be ready when I walk in from a hard days work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....

Is that north or sourh?

6 counties
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
How do you think the grades should be awarded - by one system of two?

The child that walks out of their exam in protest and refuses to engage with the examiner should get 600 points and a college grant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
How do you think the grades should be awarded - by one system of two?

The child that walks out of their exam in protest and refuses to engage with the examiner should get 600 points and a college grant.
And your solution to the awarding of grades this year would be ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
How do you think the grades should be awarded - by one system of two?

The child that walks out of their exam in protest and refuses to engage with the examiner should get 600 points and a college grant.
And your solution to the awarding of grades this year would be ?

My solution is
1) get in a room and discuss it and work out an agreement on leaving certs
2) stop hinting at pay increases
3) sign up to performance tracking and pay for performance
4) maybe do something revolutionary for a teachers union, think about the kids for a change.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 07:48:06 PM
5. Make sure teachers are available to babysit Itchy's children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 12, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 12, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

£35.4 million each wouldn't be enough for the work we do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 12, 2021, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 12, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
£35.4 million allocated by Conor Murphy towards a pay settlement for teachers .
And them at home doing nothing........

£35.4 million each wouldn't be enough for the work we do.

......each ! Jim
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on February 12, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Not bad  going for a profession of last resort.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 12, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Not bad  going for a profession of last resort.

Ah it'll do rightly
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2021, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 12, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Not bad  going for a profession of last resort.

Ah it'll do rightly

Always good to have one parent as a teacher! The benefits are massive
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 12, 2021, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 12, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Not bad  going for a profession of last resort.
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Very rewarding profession, good levels of pay, pensions and let's not forget the fab holidays !5
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 12, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....

Is that north or sourh?

6 counties

Is this confirmed or where has it been reported? Haven't see it anywhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 12, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....

Is that north or sourh?

6 counties

Is this confirmed or where has it been reported? Haven't see it anywhere.

NAHT members got email today  being asked to vote on the offer.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 12, 2021, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 12, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 06:55:07 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 12, 2021, 04:24:32 PM
Hearing the unions have struck a deal with the dept to settle pay claim for 19/20 and 20/21
2% per year increase .....
Open to confirmation by someone .....

Is that north or sourh?

6 counties

Is this confirmed or where has it been reported? Haven't see it anywhere.

NAHT members got email today  being asked to vote on the offer.....

So is it just for principals or vps? Or do they have a casting vote for all teachers? Don't think this will reflect positively on the teaching force as a whole, they are questioned plenty as it is nevermind getting a payrise in the middle of a pandemic...rubs salt into the wounds a bit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 07:48:06 PM
5. Make sure teachers are available to babysit Itchy's children.

I see how you bully people on here jim, starting a thread to pick on smother poster, I doubt a man like you is fit to teach never mind be near children. You should try work your way up the shop steward ladder and keep away from kids.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....

You have to work that Wednesday?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....

You have to work that Wednesday?
Work ? Teachers ? Really.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....

You have to work that Wednesday?
Work ? Teachers ? Really.....

In school but not working
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:26:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 07:14:40 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2021, 10:41:59 PM
And today the ASTI walks out of talks to agree what the leaving cert will look like this year due to safety, and concerns and safety and blah blah blah. When will secondary teachers in the south get of their lazy holes and tell this union to talk and get an agreement done?
How do you think the grades should be awarded - by one system of two?

The child that walks out of their exam in protest and refuses to engage with the examiner should get 600 points and a college grant.
And your solution to the awarding of grades this year would be ?

My solution is
1) get in a room and discuss it and work out an agreement on leaving certs
2) stop hinting at pay increases
3) sign up to performance tracking and pay for performance
4) maybe do something revolutionary for a teachers union, think about the kids for a change.

And which method would you prefer for awarding grades in Leaving Cert?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 12, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 07:48:06 PM
5. Make sure teachers are available to babysit Itchy's children.

I see how you bully people on here jim, starting a thread to pick on smother poster, I doubt a man like you is fit to teach never mind be near children. You should try work your way up the shop steward ladder and keep away from kids.

Anyone messing about in my class, we get the whole school to gang up on them and call them names.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.

I'm taking notes on you trailer!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:32:30 PM
I don't think Itchy understands the current debate!  He keeps avoiding the issues.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Pre-arranged as non-paid?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.

Who's going to play you in the movie?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.

I'm taking notes on you trailer!

LOL. Hard to imagine you going to the effort.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Or
Who's going to play you in the movie?

Stephen Mangan
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.

Who's going to play you in the movie?
Only one man capable
The Rock
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Pre-arranged as non-paid?

I own my own business. Last year I took 10 days hols. Probably unpaid. I certainly didn't pay myself. Also I used my own savings to keep my business afloat and keep staff employed. 4 of them have families and mortgages. This is a huge pressure on any decent business owner. Not something others think about.

<1000 yard stare>

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.

I'm taking notes on you trailer!

LOL. Hard to imagine you going to the effort.

I've got a list of names of people that want you banned! Keep it up and you're out of here!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.

Who's going to play you in the movie?
Only one man capable
The Rock

He's playing Jim. We need someone to be bring across the softer more intellectual side.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Pre-arranged as non-paid?

I own my own business. Last year I took 10 days hols. Probably unpaid. I certainly didn't pay myself. Also I used my own savings to keep my business afloat and keep staff employed. 4 of them have families and mortgages. This is a huge pressure on any decent business owner. Not something others think about.

<1000 yard stare>
Probably unpaid?! What sort of a f**kin answer is that?  You mean paid, I'd say.  Savings?  Wouldn't know what that is as a teacher so count yourself lucky you have some rather than putting on the béal bocht here and slagging teachers.  Your choice, live with it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.

Who's going to play you in the movie?
Only one man capable
The Rock

He's playing Jim. We need someone to be bring across the softer more intellectual side.

Hulk Hogan or maybe Becky Lynch
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 12, 2021, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....

You have to work that Wednesday?
Work ? Teachers ? Really.....

It seems the haters get rattled  every time , there is a planned school holiday! It must be depressing for them, considering that there are a few of them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 12, 2021, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 08:45:57 PM
Half term. 

With having to go back early in August  there is a full 5 weeks to do after half term before the 2 week Easter break...

No Lá Fhéile Pádraig?

It's been cancelled. I assumed the holiday was as well but I was wrong .....

You have to work that Wednesday?
Work ? Teachers ? Really.....

It seems the haters get rattled  every time , there is a planned school holiday! It must be depressing for them, considering that there are a few of them.
No doubt about that!  They could still re-train and become teachers - leave their own business behind and take a wage cut.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 12, 2021, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 12, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.

Who's going to play you in the movie?
Only one man capable
The Rock

He's playing Jim. We need someone to be bring across the softer more intellectual side.

I already called being the Rock ages ago. I reckon someone like Nicolas Cage.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Pre-arranged as non-paid?

I own my own business. Last year I took 10 days hols. Probably unpaid. I certainly didn't pay myself. Also I used my own savings to keep my business afloat and keep staff employed. 4 of them have families and mortgages. This is a huge pressure on any decent business owner. Not something others think about.

<1000 yard stare>
Probably unpaid?! What sort of a f**kin answer is that?  You mean paid, I'd say.  Savings?  Wouldn't know what that is as a teacher so count yourself lucky you have some rather than putting on the béal bocht here and slagging teachers.  Your choice, live with it.

What the f**k do you teach? Not English anyway.


If I don't go to work I don't earn. Simples
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 12, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
Teachers off next week.... you couldn't make it up. Time all children were back at school, especially those under 12. Teachers should be pushing for schooling in the summer. Would show leadership and demonstrate that they care about students learning.
How many of your arranged holidays have you given up in the last year?

Last year I took 10 days hols. None of them paid.
Pre-arranged as non-paid?

I own my own business. Last year I took 10 days hols. Probably unpaid. I certainly didn't pay myself. Also I used my own savings to keep my business afloat and keep staff employed. 4 of them have families and mortgages. This is a huge pressure on any decent business owner. Not something others think about.

<1000 yard stare>
Probably unpaid?! What sort of a f**kin answer is that?  You mean paid, I'd say.  Savings?  Wouldn't know what that is as a teacher so count yourself lucky you have some rather than putting on the béal bocht here and slagging teachers.  Your choice, live with it.

What the f**k do you teach? Not English anyway.


If I don't go to work I don't earn. Simples
Your choice - live with it. Doesn't give you the right to slag teachers. You invest in capitalism, I invest in people.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2021, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄

I'm sorry  :(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2021, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2021, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄

I'm sorry  :(

I'd say it but some clown wouldn't get it and go off on one.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 13, 2021, 10:09:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2021, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2021, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄

I'm sorry  :(

I'd say it but some clown wouldn't get it and go off on one.

Use of the broad brush technique is quite normal !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 13, 2021, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄
Meanwhile, back in the real world, Teachers in our own school have been superb and the Principal has received numerous messages of support from parents who are full of praise for the extra resources created to maintain learning in a very difficult environment plus the pastoral care given.   Teachers teach the same timetable as normal, just much more time involved to mark on-line.  In terms of a balanced workload, teachers and students want to be back at school.  Níl agatsa ach dearg-amaidí.  What have you been doing during the pandemic?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 13, 2021, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄

Well said. I even saw 2 teachers out walking at 2pm one day. I nearly choked on my lobster.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 13, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
Snow day.
On the first day of half term.
Joke...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 13, 2021, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 13, 2021, 03:22:47 PM
Snow day.
On the first day of half term.
Joke...

Can we claim it back?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2021, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 13, 2021, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM

Teachers have really let themselves down during this whole pandemic. Where every other essential service from the HSE right through to the guys stacking shelves in a supermarket have stood up and been counted the teachers have tried every trick in the book to do anything but work.
There once was a time  when teachers were respected and being a teacher was a vocation, now it's obvious it's just a job to them and they don't give a feck about their students.
Now they talk about planned  school holidays in the middle of a pandemic 😂.
Sure never mind the fact everyone else is doing their part the poor teachers need a rest!
This whole mess with the Leaving Cert students is a disgrace also, but hey thats Teachers for you 🙄

I'm sorry  :(

I'd say it but some clown wouldn't get it and go off on one.
Say it, you coward.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:44:39 PM
Come on then MR2, want to tell the board about your deleted, disgraceful post? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved

Hard luck - no drink.  Come on, make your post again - make Belfast proud.  The board awaits.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved

Hard luck - no drink.  Come on, make your post again - make Belfast proud.  The board awaits.

I don't live in Belfast
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved

Hard luck - no drink.  Come on, make your post again - make Belfast proud.  The board awaits.

I don't live in Belfast
Make Naomh Gall proud then.  Come on - the board awaits.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved

Hard luck - no drink.  Come on, make your post again - make Belfast proud.  The board awaits.

I don't live in Belfast
Make Naomh Gall proud then.  Come on - the board awaits.

I did, on many occasions
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 10:46:39 PM
It's half term, enjoy it. It's well deserved

Hard luck - no drink.  Come on, make your post again - make Belfast proud.  The board awaits.

I don't live in Belfast
Make Naomh Gall proud then.  Come on - the board awaits.

I did, on many occasions
With your comments about Shankill Butchers and comparing them to teachers?  If you apologise, I will drop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
My relative had his throat cut by the Shankill Butchers - MR2 suggested I try Evo stick.  How f**king sick is that? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
My relative had his throat cut by the Shankill Butchers - MR2 suggested I try Evo stick.  How f**king sick is that?

Loads of family affected by the troubles, go to bed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
My relative had his throat cut by the Shankill Butchers - MR2 suggested I try Evo stick.  How f**king sick is that?

Loads of family affected by the troubles, go to bed
Obviously not you.  Beidh mise do leanstan achan áit ar an bhord seo anois, achan áit, achan áit go bás.  Sick Belfast imposter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.  Personally I would spell it 'by' but up to you.  Please don't suffer any more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
Too doped out to reply??  Maybe out joyriding.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:11:46 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
I think I'm growing into a teacher sympathiser, but God RestorePride, you're an insufferable aul dose on this.
So it is ok to compare teachers to Lenny Murphy?
At no point have I stated that. Its very much a generic and sweeping statement from myself... But I'll stand buy you being an insufferable dose.
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.  Personally I would spell it 'by' but up to you.  Please don't suffer any more.

Ah yes, the good old grammar police. Please accept my deepest apologies and thank you for correcting me and keeping me right. As a sign of your vastly superior intellect, could you please do that cool thing you do where you jump between English and As Gaeilge in any reply? It makes me feel even more inferior to you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Never trust Google Translate - it means "you mocked death on this board and that will follow you".   "I will be your follower?!!!" -  Now you think you are Jesus!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Never trust Google Translate - it means "you mocked death on this board and that will follow you".   "I will be your follower?!!!" -  Now you think you are Jesus!!!!!!!!

I try to never trust a random balloon on a discussion board, they can claim loads of things
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Never trust Google Translate - it means "you mocked death on this board and that will follow you".   "I will be your follower?!!!" -  Now you think you are Jesus!!!!!!!!

I try to never trust a random balloon on a discussion board, they can claim loads of things
You can never trust me from this post on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Never trust Google Translate - it means "you mocked death on this board and that will follow you".   "I will be your follower?!!!" -  Now you think you are Jesus!!!!!!!!

I try to never trust a random balloon on a discussion board, they can claim loads of things
You can never trust me from this post on.

Getting carried away now. Sorta trolling to the point that you seem unhinged

Go to bed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:30:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You giving grammar lessons after your last 'typo'?  ;D
Oh dear!!! No wonder Belfast f*8ked you out.

"I will be your follower everywhere on this table now, everywhere, everywhere to death."

Your post to me earlier... wow you need some time away
Never trust Google Translate - it means "you mocked death on this board and that will follow you".   "I will be your follower?!!!" -  Now you think you are Jesus!!!!!!!!

I try to never trust a random balloon on a discussion board, they can claim loads of things
You can never trust me from this post on.

Getting carried away now. Sorta trolling to the point that you seem unhinged

Go to bed

This is the word of the Lord.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:35:33 PM
At least the board knows for definite now that MR2 and 2up2down are the same poster.  May be useful in the future.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:35:33 PM
At least the board knows for definite now that MR2 and 2up2down are the same poster.  May be useful in the future.

Let it go let it go!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:37:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:35:33 PM
At least the board knows for definite now that MR2 and 2up2down are the same poster.  May be useful in the future.

Let it go let it go!
Didn't deny it - fatal error!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

No, I'm Batman
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

No, I'm Batman
Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

No, I'm Batman
Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

Ok Shamrock? What are we doing here? Name the clubs?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:52:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

No, I'm Batman
Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

Ok Shamrock? What are we doing here? Name the clubs?
What clubs?  Too much dope smoked tonight, love?

Quote from MR1: "thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better"

Says it all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:52:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:49:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2021, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:42:28 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 14, 2021, 11:40:47 PM
OK I'll admit it, after years of following and firing the odd comment on mainly Tyrone related issues, I cannot live a lie any more.


I'm Batman.

Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

No, I'm Batman
Thanks for confirming, Naomh Gall.

Ok Shamrock? What are we doing here? Name the clubs?
What clubs?  Too much dope smoked tonight, love?

Quote from MR1: "thats why i want the 11+ to stay, so my kids don't end up with these type of kids, sorry if i sound a snob, i ain't just my experience of these school does nothing to tell me that Comprehensive will be better"

Says it all.

It certainly does

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 14, 2021, 11:59:56 PM
And certainly will.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 12:06:05 AM
Oh dear, past 12 o'clock - bed time for dopes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.

3.30 in the morning Jim! Mid Term is going well it would seem. Enjoy the break, I'm sure it is genuinely deserved. Teachers and parents alike will be appreciative of the break.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.

3.30 in the morning Jim! Mid Term is going well it would seem. Enjoy the break, I'm sure it is genuinely deserved. Teachers and parents alike will be appreciative of the break.

Went to bed too early and have been up from all hours. All my jobs done for the day and no gym or golf course to go to ffs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.

3.30 in the morning Jim! Mid Term is going well it would seem. Enjoy the break, I'm sure it is genuinely deserved. Teachers and parents alike will be appreciative of the break.

Went to bed too early and have been up from all hours. All my jobs done for the day and no gym or golf course to go to ffs.

It won't be long to the clocks change and we get an extra hours light, you'll be able to get a comfortable 9 holes in after school then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Sooner the better. Read for the first time yesterday that schools back can raise the R number by between 0.3-0.6. That would put the current R level over 1. Secondary schools may not be back until after Easter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Bring primary back on the 8th of March and then phased return for secondary with the whole show back by Easter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lfdown2 on February 15, 2021, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Bring primary back on the 8th of March and then phased return for secondary with the whole show back by Easter.

Is that the inside scoop or just what's been in media?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 15, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Sooner the better. Read for the first time yesterday that schools back can raise the R number by between 0.3-0.6. That would put the current R level over 1. Secondary schools may not be back until after Easter.

There's a growing school of thought that schools especially primary schools aren't the super spreading events teachers and their unions would have you believe.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:44:50 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on February 15, 2021, 11:37:51 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Bring primary back on the 8th of March and then phased return for secondary with the whole show back by Easter.

Is that the inside scoop or just what's been in media?

That's just my own thoughts of what should happen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 15, 2021, 11:45:48 AM
I reckon that is what will happen. I guess we'll see. They'd need to be starting the ball rolling though rather than late announcements.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 12:04:45 PM
Secondary seems to have been the biggest contributor to the R number so therefore there will be a hesitancy there to rush them back. I imagine it will be KS4 and KS5 in phases with the younger ones back at Easter. Another disruptive year but take the right action now to prevent this crap from happening again.

Batman
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Bring primary back on the 8th of March and then phased return for secondary with the whole show back by Easter.

Make sense
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 15, 2021, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Bring primary back on the 8th of March and then phased return for secondary with the whole show back by Easter.

This year ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 15, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Sooner the better. Read for the first time yesterday that schools back can raise the R number by between 0.3-0.6. That would put the current R level over 1. Secondary schools may not be back until after Easter.

There's a growing school of thought that schools especially primary schools aren't the super spreading events teachers and their unions would have you believe.

Dr McBride would disagree
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 15, 2021, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 15, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Sooner the better. Read for the first time yesterday that schools back can raise the R number by between 0.3-0.6. That would put the current R level over 1. Secondary schools may not be back until after Easter.

There's a growing school of thought that schools especially primary schools aren't the super spreading events teachers and their unions would have you believe.

Dr McBride would disagree

He would alright. Sure we can look at it next week..... when teachers are back from holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on February 15, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.

3.30 in the morning Jim! Mid Term is going well it would seem. Enjoy the break, I'm sure it is genuinely deserved. Teachers and parents alike will be appreciative of the break.

Went to bed too early and have been up from all hours. All my jobs done for the day and no gym or golf course to go to ffs.
In my day after school day incarceration,  some teachers got fit playing football with or against us and vainly trying to avoid getting clattered. We tried to make men of our teachers but sadly now they just creep off to the gym and golf course.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 15, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on February 15, 2021, 07:24:19 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 15, 2021, 03:32:05 AM
Jesus that's some meltdown there.

3.30 in the morning Jim! Mid Term is going well it would seem. Enjoy the break, I'm sure it is genuinely deserved. Teachers and parents alike will be appreciative of the break.

Went to bed too early and have been up from all hours. All my jobs done for the day and no gym or golf course to go to ffs.
In my day after school day incarceration,  some teachers got fit playing football with or against us and vainly trying to avoid getting clattered. We tried to make men of our teachers but sadly now they just creep off to the gym and golf course.

No time for that carryon nowadays. I'm regularly on the winning P7 team at break and lunch time though. Got a hat trick last week too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 15, 2021, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2021, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 15, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 15, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: restorepride on February 15, 2021, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 15, 2021, 09:20:39 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56061942

Fingers crossed we are all back soon
Sooner the better. Read for the first time yesterday that schools back can raise the R number by between 0.3-0.6. That would put the current R level over 1. Secondary schools may not be back until after Easter.

There's a growing school of thought that schools especially primary schools aren't the super spreading events teachers and their unions would have you believe.

Dr McBride would disagree

He would alright. Sure we can look at it next week..... when teachers are back from holidays.

He can take advice from you !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 16, 2021, 07:57:43 AM
FAO TRAILER

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56077119

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 16, 2021, 08:46:14 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 16, 2021, 07:57:43 AM
FAO TRAILER

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56077119

Deserved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
FS. The garden was coming along rightly too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on February 18, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 18, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
FS. The garden was coming along rightly too.

Yes...making us go back just as the gardening season was kicking off....going to have to do it in the evenings now ....
I always reckoned that some teachers were good at spreading manure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 18, 2021, 08:26:47 PM
It'll be a long enough run in from mid April to end of June.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 18, 2021, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
FS. The garden was coming along rightly too.

Back for a week and then you have 2 weeks at Easter to get the garden set.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Estimator on February 22, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Arlene talking about re-visiting the school openings, based on the announcement from Johnson. Sounds like they'll push for more students back on 8th March
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 22, 2021, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: Estimator on February 22, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Arlene talking about re-visiting the school openings, based on the announcement from Johnson. Sounds like they'll push for more students back on 8th March

Absolutely right to
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 22, 2021, 08:00:49 PM
Quote from: Estimator on February 22, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Arlene talking about re-visiting the school openings, based on the announcement from Johnson. Sounds like they'll push for more students back on 8th March

Stupid woman can't think for herself!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 22, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.

Seen that,not impressed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 22, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.

If Johnson said schools should return in 2023 the unions would be pushing back
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 22, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.

If Johnson said schools should return in 2023 the unions would be pushing back

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 22, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.

Seen that,not impressed

Sort of goes against the "we're all in this together message"

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 22, 2021, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: Estimator on February 22, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Arlene talking about re-visiting the school openings, based on the announcement from Johnson. Sounds like they'll push for more students back on 8th March

Decision was made by the executive last Thursday .....what has changed ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on February 22, 2021, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 22, 2021, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: Estimator on February 22, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
Arlene talking about re-visiting the school openings, based on the announcement from Johnson. Sounds like they'll push for more students back on 8th March

Decision was made by the executive last Thursday .....what has changed ?

Nothing.

But the Tory masters have a plan so the Tory puppets would need to follow suit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 22, 2021, 11:29:37 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 22, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 22, 2021, 08:01:29 PM
Interesting to see the push back from the unions in England.

If Johnson said schools should return in 2023 the unions would be pushing back
Too soon.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on February 23, 2021, 05:35:46 PM
Primary schools Junior infants to 2nd class back on Monday 👍
About time!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 24, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
You put your left arm in
Your left arm out
In, out, in, out
You shake it all about
You do the hokey cokey
And you turn around
That's what it's all about

Woah, the hokey cokey
Woah, the hokey cokey
Woah, the hokey cokey
Knees bent
Arms stretched
Ra-ra-ra
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 24, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 24, 2021, 07:54:17 PM
You put your left arm in
Your left arm out
In, out, in, out
You shake it all about
You do the hokey cokey
And you turn around
That's what it's all about

Woah, the hokey cokey
Woah, the hokey cokey
Woah, the hokey cokey
Knees bent
Arms stretched
Ra-ra-ra

Love that wee dance
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 25, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
In out in out....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 25, 2021, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 25, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
In out in out....

Any word on Study leave for these year 12s ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 25, 2021, 11:09:40 PM
I'm saying Easter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on March 02, 2021, 03:41:37 PM
Hater alert ...
2% back pay for 2019/20 & an additional 2% for 2020/21 accepted by the Northern teaching unions, today. Funds incoming by June 21...just in time for the holidays . Yeoo
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 02, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
With the good weather I see that play parks are jammed. All ages mixing and playing, yet children can't go to school in the same town. Makes no sense. A teacher actually said to me on Sunday that it's a disgrace these children aren't in school.
Out of interest do any teachers here feel that the children should be in school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on March 02, 2021, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
With the good weather I see that play parks are jammed. All ages mixing and playing, yet children can't go to school in the same town. Makes no sense. A teacher actually said to me on Sunday that it's a disgrace these children aren't in school.
Out of interest do any teachers here feel that the children should be in school?

Absolutely ...primary school children should be in school  level of virus is so low in most parts.
Post primary slightly trickier but exam classes should have been in school, but they are also more responsible for spreading the virus!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2021, 04:35:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2021, 03:44:45 PM
With the good weather I see that play parks are jammed. All ages mixing and playing, yet children can't go to school in the same town. Makes no sense. A teacher actually said to me on Sunday that it's a disgrace these children aren't in school.
Out of interest do any teachers here feel that the children should be in school?

Yes. They should be in school and I've said it all along. For those teachers and children who are vulnerable there should be alternative arrangements made. The risk of spreading is a problem though and we have had to close the school a few times due to outbreaks. Our last outbreak involved the key worker children who are in school and had a knock on affect for about 8 families and 4 teachers and their families. Pain in the hole but overall I think primary school should definitely be in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

Keyworkers not allowed to run?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
It's a common theme of Jim's posts that all the children in schools are just there due to parents looking for a babysitting experience
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

Is this part time office member a spy by any chance ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
It's a common theme of Jim's posts that all the children in schools are just there due to parents looking for a babysitting experience

Prove that statement !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
It's a common theme of Jim's posts that all the children in schools are just there due to parents looking for a babysitting experience

Prove that statement !!!

Go and read them ffs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 02, 2021, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

We have a few that actually run past the school ffs.

With a particular family, one is a key worker and the other parent isn't. Sits in the house all day and sends the child to school because he couldn't be bothered looking after the wee lad all day. Another parent that lives beside him isn't a key worker and is snowed under with 3 children in the house and is doing her work from home, but she's not asked once about sending her ones to school. She has said she's trying to do her bit and keep them from mixing with the other children. She would be more deserving of the help in my opinion. Joke of a system.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
It's a common theme of Jim's posts that all the children in schools are just there due to parents looking for a babysitting experience

Prove that statement !!!

Go and read them ffs

I m reading nothing buddy... you made the statement ...back it up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads

You know their shift pattern?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads

You know their shift pattern?

I would say this MI5 operative working PT in Jim's school does
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads

You know their shift pattern?
I don't know if they have a shift pattern , you seem to know though!,
I do know that the whole point of sending their children to school is that they are supposed to be freed up to do their 'key ' work.   Otherwise why are they sending their children to school ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 02, 2021, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads

You know their shift pattern?

I would say this MI5 operative working PT in Jim's school does

You not going to bother backing up your statement?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 03, 2021, 09:21:22 AM
Theres a fair bit of that not far off the truth Trailer 😃
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 03, 2021, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Don't worry, the ones who tell us all are the children. Nothing is secret in your house trailer!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 03, 2021, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Don't worry, the ones who tell us all are the children. Nothing is secret in your house trailer!

Lol.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Oh aye. Niall Morgan, Niall Sludden, Aidan Forker, Justy McMahon, Stevie O Neill all timid lads indeed. No clue about GAA either.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 03, 2021, 07:22:54 PM
BennyHarp for the win........
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.

Going by that you are probably thought of as an oddball in your staff...no offence mate
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 03, 2021, 07:31:43 PM
Aye Benny fcuk yer mental health go sit with the rest and gossip unless theyll talk about you too. Go with the crowd mate thats what the cool kids do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.

Going by that you are probably thought of as an oddball in your staff...no offence mate

Aye, probably. Really doesn't bother me though. That comment does say a lot about your staff room though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.

Going by that you are probably thought of as an oddball in your staff...no offence mate

Aye, probably. Really doesn't bother me though. That comment does say a lot about your staff room though.

Naw ..never mentioned my staffrooom😀😀 you mentioned yours though ....mustn't be a good one...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.

Going by that you are probably thought of as an oddball in your staff...no offence mate

Aye, probably. Really doesn't bother me though. That comment does say a lot about your staff room though.

Naw ..never mentioned my staffrooom😀😀 you mentioned yours though ....mustn't be a good one...

You gave an insight into the culture at your place and how people who don't go and mix in the staff room are viewed. It was interesting and perfectly emphasised the point I was trying to make.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 04, 2021, 12:21:20 AM
Staffroom Wars!!! Hell Yeah.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 04, 2021, 12:30:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

great accurate post, well done
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 05:45:12 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 03, 2021, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.

I'm a teacher myself but in a sixth form college. I send my kids into school as I couldn't teach my lessons with them in the house. I've a few free periods during the week when i go for a run, the rest of the day I'm streaming live lessons. I make no apologies for that. From my 20 odd years teaching i am convinced that there is no profession that moans / gossips as much. The staff room can be a depressing place at times listening to it so its a place i tend to avoid, you should probably do similar - its better for your mental health. Maybe go for a run at lunch time instead.

Going by that you are probably thought of as an oddball in your staff...no offence mate

Aye, probably. Really doesn't bother me though. That comment does say a lot about your staff room though.

Naw ..never mentioned my staffrooom😀😀 you mentioned yours though ....mustn't be a good one...

You gave an insight into the culture at your place and how people who don't go and mix in the staff room are viewed. It was interesting and perfectly emphasised the point I was trying to make.

Didn't actually.....stop digging
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 04, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
If not a reflection of your staffroom its a reflection of you, neither of which are to your credit.

I stand with Benny
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 08:27:48 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 04, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
If not a reflection of your staffroom its a reflection of you, neither of which are to your credit.

I stand with Benny

And ?

Benny ,  the man who by his own admission, drops his children off at school because he  has been defined as s key worker and instead of doing what he is paid to do goes off for run instead  I do have a problem with that as other workers have to supervise those children.  This guy could be teaching your children (or supposed to be anyway) Don't think I'd like him teaching mine.
If you stand with that , then it's not to your credit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: BennyHarp on March 04, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 08:27:48 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 04, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
If not a reflection of your staffroom its a reflection of you, neither of which are to your credit.

I stand with Benny

And ?

Benny ,  the man who by his own admission, drops his children off at school because he  has been defined as s key worker and instead of doing what he is paid to do goes off for run instead  I do have a problem with that as other workers have to supervise those children.  This guy could be teaching your children (or supposed to be anyway) Don't think I'd like him teaching mine.
If you stand with that , then it's not to your credit.

I'm not 100% sure I'd want someone who calls people "oddballs" because they don't conform to your way of doing things and engages in idle gossip and bitching about people they saw out for a jog, teaching my kids, but hey unfortunately we don't have much of a choice in that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2021, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Oh aye. Niall Morgan, Niall Sludden, Aidan Forker, Justy McMahon, Stevie O Neill all timid lads indeed. No clue about GAA either.....

;D When the first name that comes to mind is Niall Morgan.... hold on.... wait a second.... is that you Niall? Niall? NIALLLLL?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 04, 2021, 09:21:03 AM
Was it not established a long time ago on here that teachers are the baddies? So what's new?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2021, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 03, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 03, 2021, 09:14:25 AM
Primary Schools are like mini police states. Principal at the top, not working or taking class but directing operations, usually holidays and agitating at all times to shut the school. Then you will have a cohort of women teachers. Gossiping. Then one fella teacher, P7. Timid. Does what he's told. Has no say at home or at work. Wife keeps his balls in a jar. Takes the football team - hasn't a notion. Then the secret police or secretary, embedded in the community, reporting all the movements and gossip back to the group. Who's a key worker and who isn't. Who is running around the town. The movements of so 'n so. It's like North Korea ffs.

Oh aye. Niall Morgan, Niall Sludden, Aidan Forker, Justy McMahon, Stevie O Neill all timid lads indeed. No clue about GAA either.....


;D When the first name that comes to mind is Niall Morgan.... hold on.... wait a second.... is that you Niall? Niall? NIALLLLL?


Rumbled!! :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 04, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 08:27:48 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 04, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
If not a reflection of your staffroom its a reflection of you, neither of which are to your credit.

I stand with Benny

And ?

Benny ,  the man who by his own admission, drops his children off at school because he  has been defined as s key worker and instead of doing what he is paid to do goes off for run instead  I do have a problem with that as other workers have to supervise those children.  This guy could be teaching your children (or supposed to be anyway) Don't think I'd like him teaching mine.
If you stand with that , then it's not to your credit.

I'm not 100% sure I'd want someone who calls people "oddballs" because they don't conform to your way of doing things and engages in idle gossip and bitching about people they saw out for a jog, teaching my kids, but hey unfortunately we don't have much of a choice in that.

Not bitching....just take exception to supposed key workers taking the piss, happy to have other workers supervise their children while they engage in their hobby ... I make no apologies for  that

I apologise for the oddball suggestion however !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 04, 2021, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on March 04, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 08:27:48 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 04, 2021, 07:27:21 AM
If not a reflection of your staffroom its a reflection of you, neither of which are to your credit.

I stand with Benny

And ?

Benny ,  the man who by his own admission, drops his children off at school because he  has been defined as s key worker and instead of doing what he is paid to do goes off for run instead  I do have a problem with that as other workers have to supervise those children.  This guy could be teaching your children (or supposed to be anyway) Don't think I'd like him teaching mine.
If you stand with that , then it's not to your credit.

I'm not 100% sure I'd want someone who calls people "oddballs" because they don't conform to your way of doing things and engages in idle gossip and bitching about people they saw out for a jog, teaching my kids, but hey unfortunately we don't have much of a choice in that.

Not bitching....just take exception to supposed key workers taking the piss, happy to have other workers supervise their children while they engage in their hobby ... I make no apologies for  that

I apologise for the oddball suggestion however !

Some gossiping around the photo copier there for everyone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
When home for my lunch got a coffee on the way. Met a key worker in the coffee shop, kids with the babysitter school sorry. Rang the school secretary to report. Will keep and eye out for any others taking the piss.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 01:43:54 PM
That's the stuff
 :D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 04, 2021, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 04, 2021, 01:43:54 PM
That's the stuff
 :D


We're all in this together Jim.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on March 04, 2021, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
When home for my lunch got a coffee on the way. Met a key worker in the coffee shop, kids with the babysitter school sorry. Rang the school secretary to report. Will keep and eye out for any others taking the piss.

This type of wreckless behaviour by you needs to be called out, going indoor to a coffee shop,  risking life and limb for a coffee. So wreckless especially when you teachers are frontline, working class heroes. Well done also phoning in to get that other pretend frontline worker in trouble. I mean some might think that this despicable front line worker was, like you, grabbing a coffee on way to work but we both know it was an abuse of our teacher heroes. Stay safe heroes, on the anniversary of Bobby Sands hungerstrike I cant but help wonder are teachers todays hunger strikers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 04, 2021, 06:21:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 04, 2021, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
When home for my lunch got a coffee on the way. Met a key worker in the coffee shop, kids with the babysitter school sorry. Rang the school secretary to report. Will keep and eye out for any others taking the piss.

This type of wreckless behaviour by you needs to be called out, going indoor to a coffee shop,  risking life and limb for a coffee. So wreckless especially when you teachers are frontline, working class heroes. Well done also phoning in to get that other pretend frontline worker in trouble. I mean some might think that this despicable front line worker was, like you, grabbing a coffee on way to work but we both know it was an abuse of our teacher heroes. Stay safe heroes, on the anniversary of Bobby Sands hungerstrike I cant but help wonder are teachers todays hunger strikers.

Of course we are. I was even painting fences and digging out our eco garden today. I've a blister on my hand now as well. War wounds.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 04, 2021, 10:27:48 PM
How many days yiz getting off for St Patrick's?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 04, 2021, 10:45:34 PM
And the lazy f**kers are getting a pay rise. No shame.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 04, 2021, 10:51:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 04, 2021, 10:27:48 PM
How many days yiz getting off for St Patrick's?

3 but one of those is a staff day from home on Google Meet while still in the Pjs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 04, 2021, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on March 04, 2021, 10:27:48 PM
How many days yiz getting off for St Patrick's?
Taking the week since we went back early in August
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 06, 2021, 09:49:37 AM
So the big idea from CCEA is exams, sorry I mean mini assessments taken under exam conditions. You have to admire the brains trust. Took them nearly 3 months to come up with this.  They have been hard at work .
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on March 06, 2021, 10:20:22 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 04, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
When home for my lunch got a coffee on the way. Met a key worker in the coffee shop, kids with the babysitter school sorry. Rang the school secretary to report. Will keep and eye out for any others taking the piss.

Brussel sprout!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on March 15, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
All the kids back to school here in Mayo today! Have to say our local school kept us up to date with School work and home work every week by email on a Sunday evening. Their lists were of the highest order and we were left in no doubt of what was ahead of us to go through with the kids each day. The four - forty minute zoom calls from each teacher over the 9 weeks made all the difference. It was nice to know that there was a human being still there and these lists were not being generated by a computer. There was never one time we felt alone. The teachers learned so much from the last lockdown, but unfortunately were caught off guard again by this one. Well done to all. We would have been lost without your guidance and encouragement the last 12 months. Other than spend time teaching our kids, what would we have done without ye!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
All of the primary school children are back next week.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 16, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
I'm welling up here... Good luck to all you Teachers sorry Frontliners. You're sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 16, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
I'm welling up here... Good luck to all you Teachers sorry Frontliners. You're sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I've told you many times, I have been in school on the front line the whole time. The enemy is sending in reinforcements now though and we will be faced with full classes. Ceasefire for Easter holidays is coming up though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 16, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 16, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
I'm welling up here... Good luck to all you Teachers sorry Frontliners. You're sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I've told you many times, I have been in school on the front line the whole time. The enemy is sending in reinforcements now though and we will be faced with full classes. Ceasefire for Easter holidays is coming up though.

God Speed Jim
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 11:16:11 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 16, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 16, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
I'm welling up here... Good luck to all you Teachers sorry Frontliners. You're sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I've told you many times, I have been in school on the front line the whole time. The enemy is sending in reinforcements now though and we will be faced with full classes. Ceasefire for Easter holidays is coming up though.

God Speed Jim

Thanks for you support and well wishes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 16, 2021, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 16, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 16, 2021, 10:53:32 AM
I'm welling up here... Good luck to all you Teachers sorry Frontliners. You're sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I've told you many times, I have been in school on the front line the whole time. The enemy is sending in reinforcements now though and we will be faced with full classes. Ceasefire for Easter holidays is coming up though.

Ceasefires at easter don't work here ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 09:19:48 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 02, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 02, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
Was in school today supervising key workers children. There were two from 1 family due to stay until 2pm. There were 3 staff on duty supervising the learning of these children as they are meant  to do. Of course social distancing out the window you are dealing with 5 & 7 year olds.
Part time office staff member arrives in for work and reports that she saw the parents of these two children were out for a run . This was at 11am this morning . She sees them on a regular basis doing this!
Talk about taking the p***.




Keyworkers not allowed to run?

The whole point of school stuff supervising key workers children is that it leave those key workers free to do their key work is it not ? they are not key workers if they are running the roads

You know their shift pattern?
I don't know if they have a shift pattern , you seem to know though!,
I do know that the whole point of sending their children to school is that they are supposed to be freed up to do their 'key ' work.   Otherwise why are they sending their children to school ?
Maybe they start work at 12? Old saying about minding your own business being good for your teeth springs to mind
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on April 06, 2021, 05:03:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.
Shower of arseholes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.
Should be sacked.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

Get rid of them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on April 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.

To be fair Teachers have been looking of what has been happening from their home since last March, bar a period from September to December. When you have been isolated from the real world of living and working with covid you become fearful.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 06, 2021, 09:26:23 PM
The teachers in the South are getting concerned they won't be vaccinated in time to get away on their summer holidays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 06, 2021, 09:27:21 PM
Could do with a bit of northern efficiency down there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.

To be fair Teachers have been looking of what has been happening from their home since last March, bar a period from September to December. When you have been isolated from the real world of living and working with covid you become fearful.

Fearful or selfish? Do they ever look at themselves and think wevare the only group in the country threatening strike during this emergency and by Jesus have nurses and doctors waaay more reasom to strike and they didn't. Its appalling behaviour from a group with no shame.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: The CCCC on April 06, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.

To be fair Teachers have been looking of what has been happening from their home since last March, bar a period from September to December. When you have been isolated from the real world of living and working with covid you become fearful.

Fearful or selfish? Do they ever look at themselves and think wevare the only group in the country threatening strike during this emergency and by Jesus have nurses and doctors waaay more reasom to strike and they didn't. Its appalling behaviour from a group with no shame.

Just out of interest, are there any other 'group' in the country who are asked to work inside, in small rooms, with up to 35 other people, where the people in the room are not wearing masks or face guards at the very least?

They've barely worked in a year, get real.

Who should they get vaccinated instead off?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: The CCCC on April 06, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: The CCCC on April 06, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.

To be fair Teachers have been looking of what has been happening from their home since last March, bar a period from September to December. When you have been isolated from the real world of living and working with covid you become fearful.

Fearful or selfish? Do they ever look at themselves and think wevare the only group in the country threatening strike during this emergency and by Jesus have nurses and doctors waaay more reasom to strike and they didn't. Its appalling behaviour from a group with no shame.

Just out of interest, are there any other 'group' in the country who are asked to work inside, in small rooms, with up to 35 other people, where the people in the room are not wearing masks or face guards at the very least?

They've barely worked in a year, get real.

Who should they get vaccinated instead off?


Ah ha. So it's the fact teachers have been based at home is what your problem is. Not the fact their health could be threatened by the increased risk of catching covid given they are mixing with people from 30+ other families/household in small rooms without masks - which no other workforce has to do.

It is not the fault of teachers that school buildings were closed and they had to work from home. But of course the judgement from someone who has never done the job is that teachers were doing nothing at home.

The best point I could make it don't judge a workforce until you've been in their shoes. You judge the life of a teacher from the outside yet I take it you have never worked as a teacher? So really you wouldn't truly understand their feelings on it.

The biggest point here is the amount of people in a small room and the teachers aren't being protected as not everyone is masked up. Would you happily work in a small room in this way?

Getting schools open is a massive part of getting society and economy etc up and running again. The sensible thing would have been to vaccinate teachers so they were kept safe - given they seem to be the only workforce asked to work unsafely in small rooms with unmasked people - and as you can't seem to given me examples of any other workforce asked to work in this way so there must not be any other examples.

Ah ha nothing. Wrong wrong wrong. Get your head out of your ass and have a look around.

Are your teachers not wearing masks at school? How many teachers have caught covid at school and died? Do you support a 25 year old teacher getting vaccinated ahead of a 50 year old man who works in a shop in retail for example?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on April 06, 2021, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: The CCCC on April 06, 2021, 10:23:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2021, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 06, 2021, 03:53:19 PM
More strike threats down south. Not happy with vaccine roll out now, think they should be all put up the list. Classy as ever.

I think they are saying that they should not be put down the list, which is not quite the same thing.
Now they probably should not have been told of a higher position previously, but in part that was to avoid taking more rigourous measures in schools and these should now be looked at if the vaccine priority has changed.

Nphet have decided to do the rest of the roll out by age. Again in my medical device factory I have not heard one person crib over getting the vaccine ahead or behind anyone else. A sickening selfish act yet again by teachers unions.

To be fair Teachers have been looking of what has been happening from their home since last March, bar a period from September to December. When you have been isolated from the real world of living and working with covid you become fearful.

Fearful or selfish? Do they ever look at themselves and think wevare the only group in the country threatening strike during this emergency and by Jesus have nurses and doctors waaay more reasom to strike and they didn't. Its appalling behaviour from a group with no shame.

Just out of interest, are there any other 'group' in the country who are asked to work inside, in small rooms, with up to 35 other people, where the people in the room are not wearing masks or face guards at the very least?

Supermarket staff are on average older than teachers and mix with far more people during the day. I would say they are in a higher risk category than teachers.

Unfortunately for them they don't have several unions to scream and shout for them and as private sector employees they have far less job security to be able to go out strike or make as many demands as the teachers seem to be doing
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on April 06, 2021, 11:15:45 PM
Blatant ignorance? Every single shop worker in supermarkets, newsagents etc is working in a room bigger than a classroom?

There's not many supermarkets/stores were it's possible to keep 2m away from customers at all times.

Private sector employees have had to work with their employer to get back to work as their livelihood depends on it. Teachers seem to be actively working against the government, dept of education and looking for reasons not to go back to work in the classroom.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 06, 2021, 11:55:09 PM
Older teachers will get vaccinated within their age group and the younger teachers who are lower risk will get vaccinated in due course. Seems like a good approach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on April 07, 2021, 12:03:21 AM
I'm a teacher.  I would be totally against any form of industrial action now, and I'd bet the vast majority of my colleagues would be the same.
It's yet another PR disasterclass from the unions banging this particular drum.  Create an avenue towards a priority vaccine for at-risk teachers, fair enough,  but the majority just want to get back to doing the job in as normal a fashion as possible.

Teacher bashing is a convenient storyline for the press to field- just throw out the headline,  and let social media do the rest.  Overpaid, lazy, selfish, holidays, afraid to work, wouldn't know a day's work if it headbutted them, retail workers, doctors, nurses, etc, etc. 
Just what is it people want from teachers, that teachers aren't delivering?  With the amount of expert opinion you come across reading comments on an IT article, homeschooling must be the way forward,  because it's blatantly obvious that teachers either can't or won't or don't want to do the job.

If balloted on industrial action, I'll be voting no.  Not because I'm heroic,  or virtue signalling, or whatever.  It doesn't matter anyway, because I'll be accused either way.  And if it comes up with someone I know- someone who maybe hit a home run on facebook with a vitriolic post, or someone who wades in in the comments section, I get the classic backtrack- not all teachers, sure the school is doing everything it can, etc, etc. 
Yeah, me bollix. 
You know the bit that amuses me most, very often these are the very people that'll bang a drum about mental health,  and the impact the covid restrictions will have on mental health and mental health services.  But if it's a teacher's mental health, pity about them- see above,  lazy, holidays, etc, etc.

The teacher bashing narrative then redirects to the impact the greedy, selfish,  lazy teachers' actions and demands will have on pupils.  Primary school is formative, I teach secondary,  so I see adolescence unfold.  Yes, I would be acutely aware of the stress and toll on the mental health of those either sitting in front of me, or logging in for remote learning.  I also see the impact of those with little or no engagement.  I know those that will catch up, and those that will struggle.  I'll do my best, but it won't be good enough,  because I'm lazy, selfish,  overpaid and only interested in the holidays.

When we came back in September, we were told to start softly,  softly, to get the students readjusted, to be mindful of their wellbeing and mental health,  and not to be causing stress.  It seems a lot of that has gone out the window lately.  I don't recall being told to reverse this, but it looks like it's my fault anyway,  because I'm a teacher.

Sorry...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: dublin7 on April 07, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
The reason the vaccination prioritisation was changed is based on medical science. They want to vaccinate people based on risk and age is the biggest risk factor for covid. That's a fair and reasonable process for everyone.

Teachers seem to think they're better than that and medical science should be ignored. I haven't seen any medical evidence why teachers should be prioritized.





Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 07, 2021, 09:27:45 AM
The South better get their house in order before this United Ireland craic happens.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Let's just call it what it is.

It's teachers wanting to be vaccinated for their summer holidays. There is the prospect of vaccine passports and people having their freedoms to go places and do things they could not do without being vaccinated and teachers are conscious they will soon be on a 2/3 month break and want to be able to do that.

It's another example of teachers using a public crisis to hold the govt to ransom and try and strongarm them into getting their demands. It's cynical and calculated and once again shows teachers up for the self-entitled grouping they are.

You don't see factory workers, police officers, carers, creche and nursery workers, bus drivers etc all threatening strike over this but teachers will and they only have a couple of months of half days left.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 07, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Let's just call it what it is.

It's teachers wanting to be vaccinated for their summer holidays. There is the prospect of vaccine passports and people having their freedoms to go places and do things they could not do without being vaccinated and teachers are conscious they will soon be on a 2/3 month break and want to be able to do that.

It's another example of teachers using a public crisis to hold the govt to ransom and try and strongarm them into getting their demands. It's cynical and calculated and once again shows teachers up for the self-entitled grouping they are.

You don't see factory workers, police officers, carers, creche and nursery workers, bus drivers etc all threatening strike over this but teachers will and they only have a couple of months of half days left.
I thought foreign holidays were banned this summer?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 07, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Let's just call it what it is.

It's teachers wanting to be vaccinated for their summer holidays. There is the prospect of vaccine passports and people having their freedoms to go places and do things they could not do without being vaccinated and teachers are conscious they will soon be on a 2/3 month break and want to be able to do that.

It's another example of teachers using a public crisis to hold the govt to ransom and try and strongarm them into getting their demands. It's cynical and calculated and once again shows teachers up for the self-entitled grouping they are.

You don't see factory workers, police officers, carers, creche and nursery workers, bus drivers etc all threatening strike over this but teachers will and they only have a couple of months of half days left.
I thought foreign holidays were banned this summer?

Who knows. The EU are wanting to bring in a vaccine passport.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on April 07, 2021, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 07, 2021, 09:32:14 AM
Let's just call it what it is.

It's teachers wanting to be vaccinated for their summer holidays. There is the prospect of vaccine passports and people having their freedoms to go places and do things they could not do without being vaccinated and teachers are conscious they will soon be on a 2/3 month break and want to be able to do that.

It's another example of teachers using a public crisis to hold the govt to ransom and try and strongarm them into getting their demands. It's cynical and calculated and once again shows teachers up for the self-entitled grouping they are.

You don't see factory workers, police officers, carers, creche and nursery workers, bus drivers etc all threatening strike over this but teachers will and they only have a couple of months of half days left.
A lot of the teachers in our school have already been vaccinated. The South of Ireland is a mess. Boris has us well looked after up here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on April 07, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: Substandard on April 07, 2021, 12:03:21 AM
Overpaid, lazy, selfish, holidays, afraid to work, wouldn't know a day's work if it headbutted them,

Aye I ticked all these qualities in careers class in 1991 and it told me to be a teacher. Spot on to be fair.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on April 07, 2021, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: Substandard on April 07, 2021, 12:03:21 AM
I'm a teacher.  I would be totally against any form of industrial action now, and I'd bet the vast majority of my colleagues would be the same.
It's yet another PR disasterclass from the unions banging this particular drum.  Create an avenue towards a priority vaccine for at-risk teachers, fair enough,  but the majority just want to get back to doing the job in as normal a fashion as possible.

Teacher bashing is a convenient storyline for the press to field- just throw out the headline,  and let social media do the rest.  Overpaid, lazy, selfish, holidays, afraid to work, wouldn't know a day's work if it headbutted them, retail workers, doctors, nurses, etc, etc. 
Just what is it people want from teachers, that teachers aren't delivering?  With the amount of expert opinion you come across reading comments on an IT article, homeschooling must be the way forward,  because it's blatantly obvious that teachers either can't or won't or don't want to do the job.

If balloted on industrial action, I'll be voting no.  Not because I'm heroic,  or virtue signalling, or whatever.  It doesn't matter anyway, because I'll be accused either way.  And if it comes up with someone I know- someone who maybe hit a home run on facebook with a vitriolic post, or someone who wades in in the comments section, I get the classic backtrack- not all teachers, sure the school is doing everything it can, etc, etc. 
Yeah, me bollix. 
You know the bit that amuses me most, very often these are the very people that'll bang a drum about mental health,  and the impact the covid restrictions will have on mental health and mental health services.  But if it's a teacher's mental health, pity about them- see above,  lazy, holidays, etc, etc.

The teacher bashing narrative then redirects to the impact the greedy, selfish,  lazy teachers' actions and demands will have on pupils.  Primary school is formative, I teach secondary,  so I see adolescence unfold.  Yes, I would be acutely aware of the stress and toll on the mental health of those either sitting in front of me, or logging in for remote learning.  I also see the impact of those with little or no engagement.  I know those that will catch up, and those that will struggle.  I'll do my best, but it won't be good enough,  because I'm lazy, selfish,  overpaid and only interested in the holidays.

When we came back in September, we were told to start softly,  softly, to get the students readjusted, to be mindful of their wellbeing and mental health,  and not to be causing stress.  It seems a lot of that has gone out the window lately.  I don't recall being told to reverse this, but it looks like it's my fault anyway,  because I'm a teacher.

Sorry...

What i want from teachers is to put some people with brains in charge of their unions and not the empty vessels you have representing YOU and your colleagues. You are allowing these people to represent you like this, maybe you and the many others like you should start kicking up a bit.

And by the way, teachers attempts to label every critique of their actions as teacher bashing is tiresome. Sure some teachers would claim you yourself would be a teacher basher based on your first paragraph.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 28, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Happy last day of term day to all in the southern secondary sector.
Well deserved break after a long and taxing year

United Ireland now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2021, 11:45:15 PM
Nice pay back today! Enjoyed a nice dinner and few draught Guinness on the back of her hard work  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 29, 2021, 12:24:56 AM
Ive heard the figure but have yet to reap any of the benefits...

Edit - my wifes not Milltowns 😉
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NotedObserver on May 29, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

100% accurate plus many other months
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2021, 09:26:05 AM
Is it true they are building a monument to the 1000s of teachers that died during Covid so far. It has to be 1000s right given all the whingeing about the danger they were in.

What a shame their tactics to get off school all year, get more money by threatening strike and get preferential treatment on the vaccine all failed and mainly because public opinion was totally against them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all

Oh I have a very good idea! I seen first hand the work they did in national schools in the Republic. So did other parents. They may not be saying it to the teachers, but they sure as hell are saying it to one another.

Teachers lost a lot of respect in all of this.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2021, 09:59:05 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all

Oh I have a very good idea! I seen first hand the work they did in national schools in the Republic. So did other parents. They may not be saying it to the teachers, but they sure as hell as saying it to one another.

Teachers lost a lot of respect in all of this.

It should be said there were many teachers that did great work to care for and help their kids. It's the ones that used this along with their union leaders (who are beneath contempt) that I have issue with. And again I am referring to South of the border.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all

Oh I have a very good idea! I seen first hand the work they did in national schools in the Republic. So did other parents. They may not be saying it to the teachers, but they sure as hell are saying it to one another.

Teachers lost a lot of respect in all of this.

Say it to the principal if you've an issue with any teacher. The response first and foremost is the education of the children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all

Oh I have a very good idea! I seen first hand the work they did in national schools in the Republic. So did other parents. They may not be saying it to the teachers, but they sure as hell are saying it to one another.

Teachers lost a lot of respect in all of this.

Say it to the principal if you've an issue with any teacher. The response first and foremost is the education of the children.


And what good would that do now? What would it solve?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 30, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: FermGael on May 29, 2021, 10:08:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 29, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 29, 2021, 07:13:45 AM
Nice wee lift in the pay slip. Danger money for working through covid.

Yes, teachers were in a lot of danger from January to March.

You have no idea.
Hero's one and all

Oh I have a very good idea! I seen first hand the work they did in national schools in the Republic. So did other parents. They may not be saying it to the teachers, but they sure as hell are saying it to one another.

Teachers lost a lot of respect in all of this.

Say it to the principal if you've an issue with any teacher. The response first and foremost is the education of the children.

What would the principal do? I'm intrigued to know.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on May 30, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
Has a teacher ever been sacked? Even those paedophile teachers weren't sacked they were promoted! Civil service. Ability doesn't matter it's all about time served.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on May 30, 2021, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 30, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
Has a teacher ever been sacked? Even those paedophile teachers weren't sacked they were promoted! Civil service. Ability doesn't matter it's all about time served.

Do a quick Google search and it appears not, all I could find were some cases in the UK.. I asked that same question of an educational consultant who was working on a disciplinary case in a school close to me, she said in 30 years of dealing with school cases she'd never seen a teacher fired. So like I said,  what would a school principal actually do if you reported an incident to him/her.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 30, 2021, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 30, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
Has a teacher ever been sacked? Even those paedophile teachers weren't sacked they were promoted! Civil service. Ability doesn't matter it's all about time served.

unsackable.  30 year contracts ffs. once you have the job that's it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on May 30, 2021, 09:35:34 PM
I think it's slightly unfair to call out teachers specifically on the issue of being sacked.
This is the same scenario for the entire civil service.
They are all unioned up so even the crap can't be sacked.

Disclaimer: my wife is a teacher, I'm biased but she's one of those teachers that go above and beyond. School come before everything with her.

Disclaimer 2: in my own day job I quite often interact with civil servants. Some are useless, some are quite brilliant at their jobs.

Point I'm making is that there as some crap teachers and some crap civil servants, but also some really good ones.
The problem is with the system, it doesn't allow for those who are useless to be gotten rid of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 30, 2021, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 30, 2021, 07:17:56 PM
Has a teacher ever been sacked? Even those paedophile teachers weren't sacked they were promoted! Civil service. Ability doesn't matter it's all about time served.
Swings and roundabouts. In the public sector, excellence is rarely rewarded as the shit and the good get the same increments etc. The private sector is and should be different - in my company if you are crap you get no pay rise but in the main it's a standard 3% increase per annum or up to 5 or 6% for people who pull the finger out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2022, 07:14:35 PM
Nearly that time to improve the golf handicap/ finish box sets/ watch Wimbledon/ update the cooking skills/ for our teaching lads
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:58:48 PM
I have always found most teachers to be a farce. I remember they just made you read the textbook in class instead of actually teaching you. The only downside of that job is the marking at home but I suppose the summer holidays make up for that. I don't think you need to be particularly intelligent to be a teacher. My sister didn't get accepted into St Mary's Teaching College around 17 years ago and she has a PhD now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on June 27, 2022, 09:22:14 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 27, 2022, 07:58:48 PM
I have always found most teachers to be a farce. I remember they just made you read the textbook in class instead of actually teaching you. The only downside of that job is the marking at home but I suppose the summer holidays make up for that. I don't think you need to be particularly intelligent to be a teacher. My sister didn't get accepted into St Mary's Teaching College around 17 years ago and she has a PhD now.

I do my marking in school with the pupil beside me...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: An Watcher on June 27, 2022, 10:45:00 PM
I get the feeling that alot of teachers feel they are above you because they are teachers.  I know they are not all like this but a PGCE and a degree shouldn't be giving anyone a superiority complex.  I always viewed teaching as a fall back that you could go into if you didn't get the grades you wanted?  Maybe it's just me!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on June 27, 2022, 11:08:47 PM
*searches frantically for popcorn*
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 09:49:38 AM
Last three days are half days.
12.30, 12.30 and 11.
Absolute killer.
Far to many children in today.
Working them to death here to make sure they don't turn up tomorrow.
Can't believe parents send there children to school on a half day.
Do they not know I have golf at 12?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 28, 2022, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 09:49:38 AM
Last three days are half days.
12.30, 12.30 and 11.
Absolute killer.
Far to many children in today.
Working them to death here to make sure they don't turn up tomorrow.
Can't believe parents send there children to school on a half day.
Do they not know I have golf at 12?

Be strong! We are nearly there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theskull1 on June 28, 2022, 10:16:04 AM
Is there a flag to represent teachers so I can add it to my twitter bio?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on June 28, 2022, 11:24:16 AM
(https://speaker7.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/anti_teacher_sign.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Patiently waiting for wifeys influx of chocolates over the next day or two. One of the main reasons we're still together tbh
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on June 28, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
Great to see this thread revived. I had resigned myself to the fact that no teachers survived COVID such was the peril they placed themselves in teaching in those death traps of classrooms - If the COVID didnt get you then the draft from dangerous open windows would. I am glad to see at least some teachers survived but I think we should all contribute to my gofundme page to erect a monument in Dublin to the fallen teachers - I propose we put it somewhere around O Connell street - perhaps to replace the Parnell monument or the famine monument.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 11:44:23 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Patiently waiting for wifeys influx of chocolates over the next day or two. One of the main reasons we're still together tbh

She's under strict orders to bring them home unopened so I can have the best sweets..

I also love the fact that I don't have to make the dinners during the week, as there is really no excuse and sometimes she'll do my ironing also, on top of that, nothing to moan about, she's managed though to rein in the spending, she was spending money like she thought she was working for the private sector  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 11:44:23 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Patiently waiting for wifeys influx of chocolates over the next day or two. One of the main reasons we're still together tbh

She's under strict orders to bring them home unopened so I can have the best sweets..

I also love the fact that I don't have to make the dinners during the week, as there is really no excuse and sometimes she'll do my ironing also, on top of that, nothing to moan about, she's managed though to rein in the spending, she was spending money like she thought she was working for the private sector  ;D

Lol. Think my wifes forgotten how to cook. Tho with the diesel money she'll now save i cant see why a 4 week trip to the Maldives for us all isnt now on the cards 😉😃
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 28, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
Great to see this thread revived. I had resigned myself to the fact that no teachers survived COVID such was the peril they placed themselves in teaching in those death traps of classrooms - If the COVID didnt get you then the draft from dangerous open windows would. I am glad to see at least some teachers survived but I think we should all contribute to my gofundme page to erect a monument in Dublin to the fallen teachers - I propose we put it somewhere around O Connell street - perhaps to replace the Parnell monument or the famine monument.

Those brave soldiers who made it through the pandemic all got out at the end of last year on a package. Some of them graciously came back in this year and did a bit of subbing.
They had some tails of what is was like back then
True legends
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Tales! For the love o God man some of us are on your side ffs. Help us help you 😃😉
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on June 28, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
Are we going on strike in September?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 01:03:20 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 28, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
Are we going on strike in September?

August .  Just to be sure
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Tales! For the love o God man some of us are on your side ffs. Help us help you 😃😉

Autocorrect didn't pick it up.
You must be one of those people that reads the reports as well.
Thank god the computer writes them now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: FermGael on June 28, 2022, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on June 28, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Tales! For the love o God man some of us are on your side ffs. Help us help you 😃😉

Autocorrect didn't pick it up.
You must be one of those people that reads the reports as well.
Thank god the computer writes them now

There is some input by the teacher or is my wife just watching tiktok videos ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on July 05, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Believe it or not this school was being held up as the model by the department of education up here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on July 05, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

What is that all about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on July 05, 2022, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: FermGael on July 05, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Believe it or not this school was being held up as the model by the department of education up here.
They had some of the best results in the north a few years back.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 05, 2022, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 05, 2022, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: FermGael on July 05, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Believe it or not this school was being held up as the model by the department of education up here.
They had some of the best results in the north a few years back.
Easy to see why.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on July 05, 2022, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Probably got promoted
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Harold Disgracey on July 05, 2022, 04:09:50 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 05, 2022, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Probably got promoted

My kids went to this school. Thankfully they didn't have him as their teacher, they are both very gifted at maths and got very little support as the school as they didn't tend to focus their attention on the more capable pupils. We were lucky we were able to support them with extra tuition. Both are now taking engineering degrees at university.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on July 05, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 05, 2022, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Probably got promoted
Or suspended on full wages  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 05, 2022, 06:24:56 PM
Bit extreme methods to pressure outside bodies to not look into possible passing of exam questions, I clearly remember at Uni been given a question to an entire class and told the exam question will be very close to this. Literally changed 50newtons to 70 or sthing like that. Good job to, otherwise that class pass rate been less than 30%.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tiempo on July 05, 2022, 09:59:02 PM
Had a Derry mucker lecturing us at uni. Told us we'd have to provide references to papers in the essay answers, we're like wtf man that's impossible it's not Ivy league, he sez, there's an awful abundance of v good Chinese scientific papers, actually so many that it becomes almost impossible to find them even with referencing, if we were to reference Chinese papers and he couldn't find them, he'd just have to assume they were real, palpable sigh of relief across the class and an essay with Xing Ping and Ding and Chong to the fore 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on July 06, 2022, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

He did as far as I know
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on July 08, 2022, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 05, 2022, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2022, 10:19:30 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co-armagh-teacher-tried-to-cover-up-helping-students-cheat-with-threatening-letters-about-men-in-balaclavas-court-41814229.html

Did this teacher get suspended or fired from his job prior to this trial?

Probably got promoted

https://www.armaghi.com/news/newry-news/patrick-hollywood-keady-schoolteacher-jailed-threatening-letters-colleagues-ccea/174872
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on July 08, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
What possessed him ? Crazy stuff
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 08, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
What possessed him ? Crazy stuff

Great to see pillars of society giving him their backing as a great lad after he threatened innocent teachers and their children. A proper sc**bag.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2022, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 08, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
What possessed him ? Crazy stuff

Great to see pillars of society giving him their backing as a great lad after he threatened innocent teachers and their children. A proper sc**bag.
Must have been all the stress he was under  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2022, 09:49:38 PM
There is absolutely no defending that on any shape or form.proper dickhead
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on July 10, 2022, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 08, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
What possessed him ? Crazy stuff

Great to see pillars of society giving him their backing as a great lad after he threatened innocent teachers and their children. A proper sc**bag.

Who gave him their backing ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on July 11, 2022, 10:13:22 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 10, 2022, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 10, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on July 08, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
What possessed him ? Crazy stuff

Great to see pillars of society giving him their backing as a great lad after he threatened innocent teachers and their children. A proper sc**bag.

Who gave him their backing ?

https://www.armaghi.com/news/newry-news/patrick-hollywood-keady-schoolteacher-jailed-threatening-letters-colleagues-ccea/174872

His mother-in-law described him as a "caring family man" who worked well in the community, as did Noel McKevitt, the chairman of the Board of Governors at a previous school.


Jarlath Burns, principal at St Paul's in Bessbrook attested to his "dedication and his high ability as a teacher" while the chairman of his local GAA club described him as "a highly respected person who has performed excellent work in the community".

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 10:13:39 AM
Ffs they are still doing zoom meetings, they deserve danger money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 12, 2022, 10:17:00 AM
2 weeks left.
Stay strong and enjoy.
Don't even think about a zoom meeting until September
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 12, 2022, 10:17:00 AM
2 weeks left.
Stay strong and enjoy.
Don't even think about a zoom meeting until September

2 weeks? Wife starts back next Friday, one more week of me putting the alarm on my phone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 12, 2022, 10:17:00 AM
2 weeks left.
Stay strong and enjoy.
Don't even think about a zoom meeting until September

10 minute slot to choose A-Levels over zoom away and f**k. So much for looking after the child's interest, God forbid they had to engage.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
8.30 to 4.30 and the odd evening, they are martyr's.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
8.30 to 4.30 and the odd evening, they are martyr's.

Obviously your little brain can only read and take in so much of my post, not surprising you have some anger issues with teachers, let down..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2022, 02:17:08 PM
That £400 danger money payment this month came in handy. Fair play Stormont.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
8.30 to 4.30 and the odd evening, they are martyr's.

Obviously your little brain can only read and take in so much of my post, not surprising you have some anger issues with teachers, let down..

Truth usually hurts when resorting to petty childish insults, shame noone else works long hours, poor teachers getting paid during summer whilst doing other paid work, not sure how they survive.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:32:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
8.30 to 4.30 and the odd evening, they are martyr's.

Obviously your little brain can only read and take in so much of my post, not surprising you have some anger issues with teachers, let down..

Truth usually hurts when resorting to petty childish insults, shame noone else works long hours, poor teachers getting paid during summer whilst doing other paid work, not sure how they survive.

You rearranged my post, again it doesn't surprise me, you must be fed up using so many different names, but same posts
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 12, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
8.30 to 4.30 and the odd evening, they are martyr's.

No apostrophe in martyrs... should have been listening instead of messing about.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?

Quite a lot of people have "unseen" hours every day, every week, 52 weeks of the year. My official work time is 8am to 5pm - I am in latest 7-45 every day and its rare I leave before 5-30 and 6pm would not be unusual. In addition is it not true that bizarrely teachers get paid extra (in the south) for correcting state exam papers and supervising exams? Is it not also true that quite a lot of them take the classes/pupils they teach after hours for extra tuition for extra cash under the table.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on August 12, 2022, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?

Yeah only teachers do unseen hours.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trileacman on August 12, 2022, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Yet to see a teacher pack it in to go plaster houses.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on August 12, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Carers are underpaid when you consider the hours and holidays of Teachers.

I know plenty of lads in construction. They are now in their 50's and wear and tear is kicking in. Most are taking on less, as the body is not as strong or durable as it used to be. Construction money is well earned and earned at the cost to the body.

I have came across some of the finest human beings that are teachers. Great role models, enthusiastic social beings and bright. Of course there have been ones who have not reached these criteria, same with any other walks of life.

They are an important fabric of society and it's important they are taken care of financially.

I was not happy with our own National School during Covid, they took the easiest route for themselves. But that's human nature, there was no manual or rule book telling them to do otherwise. Would i have done the same? Probably yes! We got over it but there are the scars.

There were plenty other groups playing the Covid Card about doing work and getting full pay and I'm sure they'll get or have got a pay rise since without any commotion (mainly because they are not in the public eye).

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Carers are underpaid when you consider the hours and holidays of Teachers.

I know plenty of lads in construction. They are now in their 50's and wear and tear is kicking in. Most are taking on less, as the body is not as strong or durable as it used to be. Construction money is well earned and earned at the cost to the body.

I have came across some of the finest human beings that are teachers. Great role models, enthusiastic social beings and bright. Of course there have been ones who have not reached these criteria, same with any other walks of life.

They are an important fabric of society and it's important they are taken care of financially.

I was not happy with our own National School during Covid, they took the easiest route for themselves. But that's human nature, there was no manual or rule book telling them to do otherwise. Would i have done the same? Probably yes! We got over it but there are the scars.

There were plenty other groups playing the Covid Card about doing work and getting full pay and I'm sure they'll get or have got a pay rise since without any commotion (mainly because they are not in the public eye).

They took the easiest route I would argue as there is zero accountability, absolutely zero, for the standard of education given to children. You can be brilliant or you can be dire and it makes no difference. Its a huge issue but do teachers care enough about the standards out there to actually do something about it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2022, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?

Yeah only teachers do unseen hours.

Its in response to the teachers only do this, where did I post that no one else does unseen hours? again just misreading what I put up, but sure carry on
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2022, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?

Yeah only teachers do unseen hours.

Its in response to the teachers only do this, where did I post that no one else does unseen hours? again just misreading what I put up, but sure carry on

You posted that they do unseen hours in reply to me when I said that other workers do 39 hrs a week by 52 weeks in the year. That implies that other workers don't do the same level of unseen hours so teachers are equivalent in the whole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 12, 2022, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 12, 2022, 09:24:04 AM
The useless hoors should be hanging their heads in shame after the stunts they pulled during the lockdowns. Looking for more money now.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2022/0810/1315030-teacher-union-ballots/

Well since 50% of teachers died during covid due to the extreme "twin tower" like danger of the role, I think that a small extra increase will not effect the overall bill to the state.

Cost of living is affecting everyone, I'd say teachers are well under paid

If they worked 39 hours a week, 52 weeks of the year with 20 days hols like other workers then maybe they could claim to be under paid.

Its the unseen hours they do, most teachers arrive into work 8.30 not home till 4.30 ish.. They do work at home, marking and preparing tests and so on, reports and whatever else they are at. If they stayed on in the school to carry out these things it would probably go beyond the 39 hours a week, the hols are just that, the kids need a break so what would you have the teachers doing during that period?

Yeah only teachers do unseen hours.

Its in response to the teachers only do this, where did I post that no one else does unseen hours? again just misreading what I put up, but sure carry on

You posted that they do unseen hours in reply to me when I said that other workers do 39 hrs a week by 52 weeks in the year. That implies that other workers don't do the same level of unseen hours so teachers are equivalent in the whole.

I said they do unseen hours, now your making stuff up that I was implying that no one in the private sector does unseen hours, stretching or what!! ( I also does more hours than I'm paid for in the private sector)

Very sore on teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Has a teacher every been sacked for being buck useless, seems to be if your in your in no matter how dire you are, the classic though is to blame the kids or their parents when results are pathetic.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 12, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Has a teacher every been sacked for being buck useless, seems to be if your in your in no matter how dire you are, the classic though is to blame the kids or their parents when results are pathetic.

Who is to blame for  your grammatical errors in the above post ?
Seriously , who is to blame ?

Oh, just spotted a spelling error as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:40:35 PM
A sanctimonious teacher who would have thought!

So in response to my query has anyone?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 12, 2022, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:40:35 PM
A sanctimonious teacher who would have thought!

So in response to my query has anyone?

No errors there. Well done.
Who did you get to check it over ?

In answer to your query... Yes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
It's not an exam, though you probably wouldn't be as thorough if it was.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2022, 04:54:33 PM
Talk of a full-on strike this autumn. Be deadly to keep it rolling for at least 3 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 05:06:02 PM
Be sure to use all the teacher training days after the strike.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 12, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Why would they do training while on strike? Has anyone? Would you?

Weve got a live one here hi
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 12, 2022, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:54:00 PM
It's not an exam, though you probably wouldn't be as thorough if it was.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 You are so easy to wind up .... Keep them coming ..I'm watching but careful now...no errors !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 05:21:33 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 12, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Why would they do training while on strike? Has anyone? Would you?

Weve got a live one here hi

Or do training whilst on paid leave hi!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on August 12, 2022, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Has a teacher every been sacked for being buck useless, seems to be if your in your in no matter how dire you are, the classic though is to blame the kids or their parents when results are pathetic.
Not a teacher, but surely they have annual reviews / appraisals?

I can recall a few duff teachers 'retiring' in my secondary days. I'd say the really bad teachers are weeded out ok, still plenty of bad ones left - like in every walk of life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 12, 2022, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Has a teacher every been sacked for being buck useless, seems to be if your in your in no matter how dire you are, the classic though is to blame the kids or their parents when results are pathetic.
Not a teacher, but surely they have annual reviews / appraisals?

I can recall a few duff teachers 'retiring' in my secondary days. I'd say the really bad teachers are weeded out ok, still plenty of bad ones left - like in every walk of life.

There are no annual reviews or appraisals. There is absolutely no way to hold a teacher accountable for being useless. Teachers don't get sacked unless they committed something that could land them in jail.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: An Watcher on August 12, 2022, 10:56:18 PM
Too many $hit teachers out there and it's the wains that suffer.  Very difficult to manage though as the quality of students can fluctuate.  Maybe give them 3 or 4 years to guarantee so many GCSE or A Level passes?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2022, 11:01:13 PM
What if ye don't teach GCSE or ALevel?

I think the public is best to decide what makes a good teacher. You can't rely on teachers to judge on teachers as they're bluffers.

A survey maybe?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on August 12, 2022, 11:05:11 PM
What if you are dealing with kids from a rough socio economic background & very good GCSEs arent attainable (for some anyway) ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2022, 11:16:22 PM
It's a bit like the building trade. If you're shite, you're doing the mixer.

Get bad teachers to do bus duty and teach PE.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 12, 2022, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 12, 2022, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 12, 2022, 04:17:50 PM
Has a teacher every been sacked for being buck useless, seems to be if your in your in no matter how dire you are, the classic though is to blame the kids or their parents when results are pathetic.
Not a teacher, but surely they have annual reviews / appraisals?

I can recall a few duff teachers 'retiring' in my secondary days. I'd say the really bad teachers are weeded out ok, still plenty of bad ones left - like in every walk of life.

There are no annual reviews or appraisals. There is absolutely no way to hold a teacher accountable for being useless. Teachers don't get sacked unless they committed something that could land them in jail.

Define 'being useless'.

Bit of a general statement.

My views of it are: some kids are gifted for an academical point of view, some are in the middle while others are not so gifted from an academical point of view.  That's life.

In the same way, as some kids are good at art, sport and woodwork etc.  Kids have different talents.

So depends what you think a teacher can do - bring an F grade pupil to an A grade pupil or bring a pupil who isn't talented at art (but talented at other stuff) to be a first class artist, then I think you're mistaken.

As lo g as my kids are happy at school, are happy to go and do their best, then that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2022, 11:44:36 PM
if you've only 15 on the park to pick from, where do you stick the dodgy one?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 11:49:39 PM
In any walk of life you'll get good workers and bad ones, but teaching is anything but easy and if you are rubbish at it, you'll get called out, the ETI inspection is the only real outside body that hold the school, department and ultimately the teacher to account.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2022, 08:44:41 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 12, 2022, 11:53:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 12, 2022, 11:49:39 PM
In any walk of life you'll get good workers and bad ones, but teaching is anything but easy and if you are rubbish at it, you'll get called out, the ETI inspection is the only real outside body that hold the school, department and ultimately the teacher to account.
ETI - the ultimate bluffer.

lol I didn't say it was perfect, having gone through a few of them over the years it got easier to 'bluff' once you knew what they were looking for..

Until they come up with something else what can you do?

No one is in teaching to 'take it easy' it's not a job and I'd recommend to anyone nor would my wife recommend it either and she's been teaching 27 years
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 13, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Carers are underpaid when you consider the hours and holidays of Teachers.

I know plenty of lads in construction. They are now in their 50's and wear and tear is kicking in. Most are taking on less, as the body is not as strong or durable as it used to be. Construction money is well earned and earned at the cost to the body.

I have came across some of the finest human beings that are teachers. Great role models, enthusiastic social beings and bright. Of course there have been ones who have not reached these criteria, same with any other walks of life.

They are an important fabric of society and it's important they are taken care of financially.

I was not happy with our own National School during Covid, they took the easiest route for themselves. But that's human nature, there was no manual or rule book telling them to do otherwise. Would i have done the same? Probably yes! We got over it but there are the scars.

There were plenty other groups playing the Covid Card about doing work and getting full pay and I'm sure they'll get or have got a pay rise since without any commotion (mainly because they are not in the public eye).

They took the easiest route I would argue as there is zero accountability, absolutely zero, for the standard of education given to children. You can be brilliant or you can be dire and it makes no difference. Its a huge issue but do teachers care enough about the standards out there to actually do something about it?
I feel sorry for the last couple of years of Junior Cert and especially Leaving Cert students. They were let down badly by teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 13, 2022, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 13, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Carers are underpaid when you consider the hours and holidays of Teachers.

I know plenty of lads in construction. They are now in their 50's and wear and tear is kicking in. Most are taking on less, as the body is not as strong or durable as it used to be. Construction money is well earned and earned at the cost to the body.

I have came across some of the finest human beings that are teachers. Great role models, enthusiastic social beings and bright. Of course there have been ones who have not reached these criteria, same with any other walks of life.

They are an important fabric of society and it's important they are taken care of financially.

I was not happy with our own National School during Covid, they took the easiest route for themselves. But that's human nature, there was no manual or rule book telling them to do otherwise. Would i have done the same? Probably yes! We got over it but there are the scars.

There were plenty other groups playing the Covid Card about doing work and getting full pay and I'm sure they'll get or have got a pay rise since without any commotion (mainly because they are not in the public eye).

They took the easiest route I would argue as there is zero accountability, absolutely zero, for the standard of education given to children. You can be brilliant or you can be dire and it makes no difference. Its a huge issue but do teachers care enough about the standards out there to actually do something about it?
I feel sorry for the last couple of years of Junior Cert and especially Leaving Cert students. They were let down badly by teachers.

But did they not get handy grades?...I'd say way above the norm.

I wouldn't be overly worried for them but I'd definately be worried for the pupils (a few years younger) over the next few years.  The pupils who'll be the ones in sitting proper exams again etc. and their marks will then be altered because of the previous pupils' 'higher grades'.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 13, 2022, 01:33:41 PM
Yeah let down by teachers but grades are higher than before!! Pure plonker post Turf ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 13, 2022, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 13, 2022, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 13, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 12, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 12, 2022, 03:13:55 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 12, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
Teachers are well underpaid when you consider the money handed out in sectors like construction, finance, IT etc.

Carers are underpaid when you consider the hours and holidays of Teachers.

I know plenty of lads in construction. They are now in their 50's and wear and tear is kicking in. Most are taking on less, as the body is not as strong or durable as it used to be. Construction money is well earned and earned at the cost to the body.

I have came across some of the finest human beings that are teachers. Great role models, enthusiastic social beings and bright. Of course there have been ones who have not reached these criteria, same with any other walks of life.

They are an important fabric of society and it's important they are taken care of financially.

I was not happy with our own National School during Covid, they took the easiest route for themselves. But that's human nature, there was no manual or rule book telling them to do otherwise. Would i have done the same? Probably yes! We got over it but there are the scars.

There were plenty other groups playing the Covid Card about doing work and getting full pay and I'm sure they'll get or have got a pay rise since without any commotion (mainly because they are not in the public eye).

They took the easiest route I would argue as there is zero accountability, absolutely zero, for the standard of education given to children. You can be brilliant or you can be dire and it makes no difference. Its a huge issue but do teachers care enough about the standards out there to actually do something about it?
I feel sorry for the last couple of years of Junior Cert and especially Leaving Cert students. They were let down badly by teachers.

But did they not get handy grades?...I'd say way above the norm.

I wouldn't be overly worried for them but I'd definately be worried for the pupils (a few years younger) over the next few years.  The pupils who'll be the ones in sitting proper exams again etc. and their marks will then be altered because of the previous pupils' 'higher grades'.
That's a fair point actually 👍
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2022, 09:47:28 AM
Itchy, Bunker, laoislad - define a useless teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 14, 2022, 09:47:28 AM
Itchy, Bunker, laoislad - define a useless teacher.

Looks like someone who taught them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 14, 2022, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

10,000 lines "I must do better".
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?
Yes. It was reported a few years ago that we are training an excess of teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2022, 02:58:22 PM
Nothing worse than a disinterested welder.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?
Yes. It was reported a few years ago that we are training an excess of teachers.

What's the drop off rate? As in how many train up and eventually leave?

You'll have to have excess to cover for sick, retirement, leavers, and so on.

In any job you'll only lose it for gross misconduct.. so define gross misconduct in teaching?

My sister in law blamed the school for her kids not doing well always giving off about them, my daughters went to the same school and it was brilliant, her two kids unfortunately didn't want to be there or do any work, but it was the schools fault!!

I get the feeling disgruntled parents always believe wee Johnny was a good kid
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Nothing stupid about it. Do you have opinions on teachers who would have taught you or family? Would you have shared those views with others? Teachers are aware that their performances are discussed routinely by parents and are judged accordingly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:15:14 PM
There's a new one, you can only lose a job through gross misconduct, teaching must be one long cushy number until early retirement, then back in subbing to top up the big pension.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Nothing stupid about it. Do you have opinions on teachers who would have taught you or family? Would you have shared those views with others? Teachers are aware that their performances are discussed routinely by parents and are judged accordingly.

And if they are deemed inadequate what are the consequences, genuine question.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:15:14 PM
There's a new one, you can only lose a job through gross misconduct, teaching must be one long cushy number until early retirement, then back in subbing to top up the big pension.

Ok so how do you lose your job? And who decides that? If I turn up every day work and go home is that ok?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Nothing stupid about it. Do you have opinions on teachers who would have taught you or family? Would you have shared those views with others? Teachers are aware that their performances are discussed routinely by parents and are judged accordingly.

And if they are deemed inadequate what are the consequences, genuine question.

Don't know any teacher deemed inadequate. Any teachers I know or have worked with are working to the required standard. The problem we all have  are some disgruntled parents who can't accept that their children are finding it difficult to reach the expected standard for their age despite the best efforts of the teacher and any learning support that are in place. Emphasis on some parents. The vast majority of parents are appreciative of the efforts that are being made for their child. It's just a few and of course it's everybody's fault that their child is not reaching the level that they would like them to.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.

So they have a system in place, I brought it up earlier, it may not be the answer you are looking for but
ETI inspect schools and sit in classes during a week, they report what they see and those findings are public knowledge.

So if I go to school and teach and go home afterwards am I doing my job? What is it they ain't doing? Or what are you talking about?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

Would be a good idea if you got the facts right instead of making them up 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.

So they have a system in place, I brought it up earlier, it may not be the answer you are looking for but
ETI inspect schools and sit in classes during a week, they report what they see and those findings are public knowledge.

So if I go to school and teach and go home afterwards am I doing my job? What is it they ain't doing? Or what are you talking about?
It is years between ETI cycles.

The missus has a teacher in her school who doesn't pull her weight and it is reflected in exam results compared to other subjects. She'll keep working there for as long as she wants.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.

So they have a system in place, I brought it up earlier, it may not be the answer you are looking for but
ETI inspect schools and sit in classes during a week, they report what they see and those findings are public knowledge.

So if I go to school and teach and go home afterwards am I doing my job? What is it they ain't doing? Or what are you talking about?
It is years between ETI cycles.

The missus has a teacher in her school who doesn't pull her weight and it is reflected in exam results compared to other subjects. She'll keep working there for as long as she wants.

Who is deciding that she doesn't pull her weight ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:26:24 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

Would be a good idea if you got the facts right instead of making them up 😂😂😂

Oh dear head in sand time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.

So they have a system in place, I brought it up earlier, it may not be the answer you are looking for but
ETI inspect schools and sit in classes during a week, they report what they see and those findings are public knowledge.

So if I go to school and teach and go home afterwards am I doing my job? What is it they ain't doing? Or what are you talking about?
It is years between ETI cycles.

The missus has a teacher in her school who doesn't pull her weight and it is reflected in exam results compared to other subjects. She'll keep working there for as long as she wants.

Who is deciding that she doesn't pull her weight ?

Yeah who, God forbid anyone is critical of a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:29:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
And therein is the crux of the problem, when you are in you are in, no accountability whatsoever, any issues its the disgruntled parents issue or the incapable child.

So they have a system in place, I brought it up earlier, it may not be the answer you are looking for but
ETI inspect schools and sit in classes during a week, they report what they see and those findings are public knowledge.

So if I go to school and teach and go home afterwards am I doing my job? What is it they ain't doing? Or what are you talking about?
It is years between ETI cycles.

The missus has a teacher in her school who doesn't pull her weight and it is reflected in exam results compared to other subjects. She'll keep working there for as long as she wants.

Yeah I can imagine in any walk of life someone is working better than someone else and do you know what? They still have a job...

What you probably are suggesting is what though? Get rid of them because they are not as good as someone else?

Some subjects are easier to get results in some aren't but if we start sacking teachers because they don't better or match results from previous years then you'll have a bigger problem.

You employ someone and unless it's in their contract that it's results based and if you don't meet results ( irrespective of kids who haven't the ability or work ethic) you'll be sacked?

Why would you apply or train to be a teacher?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:26:24 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

Would be a good idea if you got the facts right instead of making them up 😂😂😂

Oh dear head in sand time.

Not at all. You just don't know how the inspection process is carried out but pretending you do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?

Like any organisation prepares for them but you didn't get the facts right. 😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?

Like any organisation prepares for them but you didn't get the facts right. 😂😂

Was going to ask the question as he seems glued clued in
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?

Like any organisation prepares for them but you didn't get the facts right. 😂😂

You know I did, do you put smiles on the papers you slog over in the evenings or is it still pass to left and let the child mark.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?

Like any organisation prepares for them but you didn't get the facts right. 😂😂

You know I did, do you put smiles on the papers you slog over in the evenings or is it still pass to left and let the child mark.

Left ?
Always go right
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 14, 2022, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?
Yes. It was reported a few years ago that we are training an excess of teachers.

What's the drop off rate? As in how many train up and eventually leave?

You'll have to have excess to cover for sick, retirement, leavers, and so on.

In any job you'll only lose it for gross misconduct.. so define gross misconduct in teaching?

My sister in law blamed the school for her kids not doing well always giving off about them, my daughters went to the same school and it was brilliant, her two kids unfortunately didn't want to be there or do any work, but it was the schools fault!!

I get the feeling disgruntled parents always believe wee Johnny was a good kid
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That's it in a nutshell.

Parents think therir wee lad or wee girl is a Grade A pupil or can be turned into a Grade A pupil.

Doesn't work like that I think.

If its anything like coaching sport, the parents have the problem with the coaches.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 14, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
A lot of triggered teachers on here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 14, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
A lot of triggered teachers on here.

Aye it's Ronaldos fault I feel  ;D

You're gas 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 14, 2022, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 14, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
A lot of triggered teachers on here.

No, just a parent and a coach.

Hear all the stories about how it's everybody else's fault.

Parents who won't spend 20 mins kicking about with their children in the garden then get on their high horse because the wee lad or girl isn't making the 'top' panel for a properly run club blitz somewhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
I know schools prepare for them, do they guess the correct week?

Like any organisation prepares for them but you didn't get the facts right. 😂😂

You know I did, do you put smiles on the papers you slog over in the evenings or is it still pass to left and let the child mark.


I know you did what ???
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?

So they are accountable one week in what 3 years?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?

So they are accountable one week in what 3 years?

There are several layers of accountability in schools in tbe North, from ETI, BOG, Principal , senior leaders, key stage and subject leaders/ co - ordinators. The majority of evaluations / pupil outcomes are data driven, determined by standardised testing, 11+, GCSE & A levels.
Schools aim to be  self - evaluating annual targets for improvement, these are reviewed by ETI, in a 3 year cycle.
You have the whole debate around exam results etc etc. Way too much info required for a forum. Education is a very complex process in terms of continous  improvement but this is the aim of all  schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 08:29:24 PM
Ah but ah but ah but
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2022, 08:50:10 PM
Some number of idiots on this thread.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 14, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2022, 08:50:10 PM
Some number of idiots on this thread.

And they're teaching our kids!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
My kids old primary recruited of late daughter of the VP, son of the principal, primary 4 and 5 I believe, principal and Head of board of governors besties, some scrutiny there I suppose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2022, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 14, 2022, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 14, 2022, 08:50:10 PM
Some number of idiots on this thread.

And they're teaching our kids!

Exactly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
My kids old primary recruited of late daughter of the VP, son of the principal, primary 4 and 5 I believe, principal and Head of board of governors besties, some scrutiny there I suppose.
Employing your mates (on top dollar) when they retire is the law.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 14, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?

So they are accountable one week in what 3 years?

There are several layers of accountability in schools in tbe North, from ETI, BOG, Principal , senior leaders, key stage and subject leaders/ co - ordinators. The majority of evaluations / pupil outcomes are data driven, determined by standardised testing, 11+, GCSE & A levels.
Schools aim to be  self - evaluating annual targets for improvement, these are reviewed by ETI, in a 3 year cycle.
You have the whole debate around exam results etc etc. Way too much info required for a forum. Education is a very complex process in terms of continous  improvement but this is the aim of all  schools.
My wife's school hasn't seen the ETI in 7 years. Robust oversight there  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2022, 09:58:37 PM
My mechanic recently took his son on as an apprentice. Totally disinterested and needs a good f**kin wash, the smelly hoor.

One pathetic post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
You have to wonder what goes on in staffrooms. Any time I drive past a school I see packed staffrooms and loads of people laughing and big expensive coffee machines going flat out as well as music blasting. Wouldn't be surprised if there are dart boards and billiard tables.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 14, 2022, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
My kids old primary recruited of late daughter of the VP, son of the principal, primary 4 and 5 I believe, principal and Head of board of governors besties, some scrutiny there I suppose.

I'd say this is the norm.

Jobs for the boys and girls.

I heard that job ads are written out specifically for certain candidates.

Bit unfair if true.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 14, 2022, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
My kids old primary recruited of late daughter of the VP, son of the principal, primary 4 and 5 I believe, principal and Head of board of governors besties, some scrutiny there I suppose.
Employing your mates (on top dollar) when they retire is the law.

Yeah, that annoys me big time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2022, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
You have to wonder what goes on in staffrooms. Any time I drive past a school I see packed staffrooms and loads of people laughing and big expensive coffee machines going flat out as well as music blasting. Wouldn't be surprised if there are dart boards and billiard tables.

You ever drive past the staffroom with its own barista?
That's the dream

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 14, 2022, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 14, 2022, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 14, 2022, 10:08:46 PM
You have to wonder what goes on in staffrooms. Any time I drive past a school I see packed staffrooms and loads of people laughing and big expensive coffee machines going flat out as well as music blasting. Wouldn't be surprised if there are dart boards and billiard tables.

You ever drive past the staffroom with its own barista?
That's the dream

You drive by O'Neill....and you can see all that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 14, 2022, 10:22:06 PM
There are usually speed bumps outside school, so you can take a lot in at 5mph.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 14, 2022, 10:07:29 PM
Doesn't make it any less true.

An even more pathetic post.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:26:44 PM
The flippant attitude of teachers on here sum up what is wrong, truly sad state of affairs, sure who cares, certainly not teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 10:33:30 PM
Barnster hates teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:38:53 PM
Shock teachers on the drink on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:38:53 PM
Shock teachers on the drink on a Sunday.

Tell us what them bad aul teachers did on you at school ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 11:21:17 PM
I can't wait till she's back in fairness, I hate getting up first...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 14, 2022, 11:42:33 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:38:53 PM
Shock teachers on the drink on a Sunday.
Sunday ?
What's wrong with the week nights ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 14, 2022, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 14, 2022, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 10:38:53 PM
Shock teachers on the drink on a Sunday.

Tell us what them bad aul teachers did on you at school ...

Point on the picture to where they touched you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 07:33:50 AM
Who would have though belittlement another amazing teacher trait. Still waiting on any semblance of accountability to be demonstrated, but sure keep it up folks you are all a credit to your profession.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 07:37:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 14, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?

So they are accountable one week in what 3 years?

There are several layers of accountability in schools in tbe North, from ETI, BOG, Principal , senior leaders, key stage and subject leaders/ co - ordinators. The majority of evaluations / pupil outcomes are data driven, determined by standardised testing, 11+, GCSE & A levels.
Schools aim to be  self - evaluating annual targets for improvement, these are reviewed by ETI, in a 3 year cycle.
You have the whole debate around exam results etc etc. Way too much info required for a forum. Education is a very complex process in terms of continous  improvement but this is the aim of all  schools.
My wife's school hasn't seen the ETI in 7 years. Robust oversight there  ;D

Think they all missed this post!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2022, 07:38:48 AM
Wtf is people's issue with teachers? Couldn't pay me to look after some of the brats now a days. They deserve the summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 15, 2022, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 07:37:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 14, 2022, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 14, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 07:28:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 14, 2022, 05:06:38 PM
That's the week they get notice for and the whole school goes buck daft to prepare, yeah that would fit the accountability criteria.

I'll ask one more time, what is it that the teachers aren't doing? And don't give me an example from wee Johnny said...

I'll ask again where is their accountability and don't give me once a few years with notice some box ticking inspection.

Ok give me some of your suggestions please, I'm dying to hear

I am still trying to establish their accountability, feel free to enlighten me.

Who accountability? ETI? They report from their findings to the education dept, the principal and head teachers.. I thought you knew all this?

I've sat through a few over the years, prepare all you want, if you're crap at your job no amount of preparation will actually make you look good

So can you give me your suggestions on what to do or like you've always done with your previous names just avoid the question?

So they are accountable one week in what 3 years?



There are several layers of accountability in schools in tbe North, from ETI, BOG, Principal , senior leaders, key stage and subject leaders/ co - ordinators. The majority of evaluations / pupil outcomes are data driven, determined by standardised testing, 11+, GCSE & A levels.
Schools aim to be  self - evaluating annual targets for improvement, these are reviewed by ETI, in a 3 year cycle.
You have the whole debate around exam results etc etc. Way too much info required for a forum. Education is a very complex process in terms of continous  improvement but this is the aim of all  schools.
My wife's school hasn't seen the ETI in 7 years. Robust oversight there  ;D

Think they all missed this post!

It may well indicate that it is an excellent school, with high levels of performance and good outcomes for its pupils. A good  school doesnt need ETI to identify areas to improve. All inspection reports are published online, so plenty of information available.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2022, 08:57:56 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2022, 07:38:48 AM
Wtf is people's issue with teachers? Couldn't pay me to look after some of the brats now a days. They deserve the summer.

Who? The brats you mention or the 'teachers who don't teach but babysit'?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 15, 2022, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 15, 2022, 07:38:48 AM
Wtf is people's issue with teachers? Couldn't pay me to look after some of the brats now a days. They deserve the summer.

Yeah, good point.

People complaining here wouldn't last one hour in a classroom I'd say. Myself included.

Kids are grand, the odd one or two troublesome but I'd say the parents are hard to work with.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 11:14:03 AM
How do we fix all these problems with teachers then? Just shut the whole thing down and get parents to homeschool the whole thing. I think I'd go into the IT sector, handy number that working from home craic now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

Joins? he's been on here with a different name for past few years and picks a topic that will get him responses. And we fall for it lol

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

Man has 3160 posts on said website - how f**king sad are you mate.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2022, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.

Good stuff. I'm sure you kept on doing it then due to the ineptitude of the teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 02:36:31 PM
So on this accountability for their standard of work, have we concluded that once every 3 years possibly 7 with a bit of notice we are relying on a weeks inspection?  How does it work if they rock up on a training day!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

Man has 3160 posts on said website - how f**king sad are you mate.

Do the average per year. Im not too bad tbh. If you cant do averages ask a teacher.

And if youve been on here before how f*cking sad are you. Again 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2022, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

Man has 3160 posts on said website - how f**king sad are you mate.

Do the average per year. Im not too bad tbh. If you cant do averages ask a teacher.

And if youve been on here before how f*cking sad are you. Again 😂😂😂😂😂

Such a thing to say to him. Useless hoors wouldn't know what an average is. Sure isn't he a homeschool teacher himself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
Little debate out of them just personal insults, no wonder we question them, it's the kids ultimately that suffer, but big pension, early retirement, summer jobs, no accountability what do they care?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 15, 2022, 05:20:12 PM
When I look back at some of my old teachers, some were clearly hanging on by a thread with their mental health. I don't think I'd want my children to become teachers. There is something going on in the inside that we don't see from the outside.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 15, 2022, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Your talking out of your ear now!
Coaching and mentoring  takes place.
Performance review in place.
Improvement targets process in place.
These all filter into the school's development plans, which are monitored and reviewed by ETI.( in the North).
All schools are at different stages but the cycle of sch improvement are standardised across all schools.
Much the same as private sector  but teachers dont go around slagging people from the private sector as they dont need to.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 15, 2022, 05:49:58 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
Little debate out of them just personal insults

Is that the students or the teachers?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 15, 2022, 05:20:12 PM
When I look back at some of my old teachers, some were clearly hanging on by a thread with their mental health. I don't think I'd want my children to become teachers. There is something going on in the inside that we don't see from the outside.

I agree. In my experience good performance management often works to divert people to other careers that might be more suitable but in schools it's non existent.

There's a teacher in my daughters school, 55-60 years old I'm guessing. Shes a history teacher. Friday - gets all her classes to do word search puzzles, Thursday watch a movie loosely based on history. Complaints have been made yet nothing can be done. She clearly doesnt give 2 shits about her pupils. During covid didn't do one tap, not an online course or an email. That's an example, one of many I've seen in recent times. Union rules as far as I can tell mean she can't even be given an informal warning.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 15, 2022, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Your talking out of your ear now!
Coaching and mentoring  takes place.
Performance review in place.
Improvement targets process in place.
These all filter into the school's development plans, which are monitored and reviewed by ETI.( in the North).
All schools are at different stages but the cycle of sch improvement are standardised across all schools.
Much the same as private sector  but teachers dont go around slagging people from the private sector as they dont need to.

I've said it 20 times in this thread I'm referring always to the South. I know nothing much about the north but I would ask are you confusing a year plan with disciplinary action? They are two totally different things.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Are you saying none of that is being done at schools? I know it is but you know it isn't. Who's right?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Are you saying none of that is being done at schools? I know it is but you know it isn't. Who's right?

It's simple to prove, produce on here the disciplinary procedure that they follow in your school and we will see how much of above is in it. Procedure will be a written document outlining the process of discipline step by step, it will be aligned with the law of the land and if you ever end up in an unfair dismissal court case you will want to have followed it to a tee.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Are you saying none of that is being done at schools? I know it is but you know it isn't. Who's right?

It's simple to prove, produce on here the disciplinary procedure that they follow in your school and we will see how much of above is in it. Procedure will be a written document outlining the process of discipline step by step, it will be aligned with the law of the land and if you ever end up in an unfair dismissal court case you will want to have followed it to a tee.

I'm not a teacher so will find that difficult.. but what you are saying is that there are no disciplinary procedures in schools? What century are you living in?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
The 21st where public sector workers are practically immune from disciplinary actions no matter how incompetent they are.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:49:54 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
The 21st where public sector workers are practically immune from disciplinary actions no matter how incompetent they are.

Jesus that's some broad brush you're using..

You much prefer the lad style employment laws?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:51:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:18:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 14, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 14, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 13, 2022, 09:59:29 AM
Teachers are inspected every day of the week by parents.

What a stupid comment that is. Do parents then decide the salary increase of the teacher, do parent give the teacher formal coaching conversations or disciplinary if required? Sure school principals cannot even address poor performance levels.

Milltown, you ask for a definition of a poor teacher. It's the same as a poor welder, a poor mechanic etc. Disinterested , no pride in their work, lack of attention to detail, poor communication skills, poor organisational skills. Bottom line = poor results. The difference is the poor welder has repercussions.

Do they though? The poor welder takes up a job welding somewhere else...

I'm not sure what repercussions you are looking? Flogging?  Sack them and then what? Do we have plenty of spare teachers out there?

Yes thats what I said, flog them. What's the point trying to debate with you?

Private sector - coaching conversation, informal warning written warning, termination of contract. During all that period you might also be asked to sign up to a performance improvement plan, clear improvement targets set and monitored.

Teaching = do a shit job, none of above, continue on regardless and pick up whatever pay rise is going. Its a joke. Its also a joke that great teachers get the same pay as crap ones. Totally wrong and de motivating I'd imagine.

Are you saying none of that is being done at schools? I know it is but you know it isn't. Who's right?

It's simple to prove, produce on here the disciplinary procedure that they follow in your school and we will see how much of above is in it. Procedure will be a written document outlining the process of discipline step by step, it will be aligned with the law of the land and if you ever end up in an unfair dismissal court case you will want to have followed it to a tee.

I'm not a teacher so will find that difficult.. but what you are saying is that there are no disciplinary procedures in schools? What century are you living in?

Funny enough in previous centuries there was discipline but not now. I'm pretty confident you won't find a school disciplinary procedure but sure there's loads of teachers here that will prove me wrong and produce one
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
So you get the job and it's do whatever ya want?

You must be some pup in your job
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
So you get the job and it's do whatever ya want?

You must be some pup in your job

Yep that's right, job for life irrespective of what you do.

In my job I work hard to keep people in jobs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
So you get the job and it's do whatever ya want?

You must be some pup in your job

Yep that's right, job for life irrespective of what you do.

In my job I work hard to keep people in jobs.

Aye you sound like a top bloke
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
So you get the job and it's do whatever ya want?

You must be some pup in your job

Yep that's right, job for life irrespective of what you do.

In my job I work hard to keep people in jobs.

Aye you sound like a top bloke

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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 15, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

He has a point though.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 15, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

He has a point though.

That you join a discussion board to slag off teachers? Ok
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.

I've worked in the finance sector for a few years and it was a piece of piss and boring as f**k. So glad moved into teach as I love teaching children and love my job. I do hate the meaningless paperwork that's involved in teaching though. As for these private sector jobs. We could all starting naming examples of jobs that are easy. I go to the gym over the summer and a lot of the people in the classes I go to bring their laptops and move their mouse ever now and then to keep their bosses thinking they're busy. And these aren't wee lowly paid jobs! I'm talking people who are earning good money and in well respected jobs. I'm sure they earn their money at different stages of the day or weeks. But to say they're killed working is definitely not the case!

Btw I do agree with people saying that there should be more sanctions for underperforming teachers. I have worked with a few absolutely terrible teachers who were just putting in their time until they retired. When I was a young teacher and desperate for a permanent job it was very frustrating working with those sort of people. I do feel teaching is the sort of job that could wear you down after many years and if I ever get to that stage I would maybe look at taking a career break for a year or two and try to keep my motivation levels at the level they should be. Having an unmotivated teacher in the staff room is toxic and ultimately not fair on the children.

As I said earlier, I love my job though, it's a brilliant career for people who love working with children but it's definitely not for everyone. I'd love to see some of the experts in here try and control a classroom with all the different needs and behaviour challenges. I always laugh at my mates who do a week at coaching Cul Camp and come back and say they're never doing it again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 15, 2022, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 15, 2022, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 15, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Man joins gaa discussion website to slag off teachers.

How f*cking sad are you mate 😂😂😂

He has a point though.

That you join a discussion board to slag off teachers? Ok

That the best you can do? Ok
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2022, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.

I've worked in the finance sector for a few years and it was a piece of piss and boring as f**k. So glad moved into teach as I love teaching children and love my job. I do hate the meaningless paperwork that's involved in teaching though. As for these private sector jobs. We could all starting naming examples of jobs that are easy. I go to the gym over the summer and a lot of the people in the classes I go to bring their laptops and move their mouse ever now and then to keep their bosses thinking they're busy. And these aren't wee lowly paid jobs! I'm talking people who are earning good money and in well respected jobs. I'm sure they earn their money at different stages of the day or weeks. But to say they're killed working is definitely not the case!

Btw I do agree with people saying that there should be more sanctions for underperforming teachers. I have worked with a few absolutely terrible teachers who were just putting in their time until they retired. When I was a young teacher and desperate for a permanent job it was very frustrating working with those sort of people. I do feel teaching is the sort of job that could wear you down after many years and if I ever get to that stage I would maybe look at taking a career break for a year or two and try to keep my motivation levels at the level they should be. Having an unmotivated teacher in the staff room is toxic ultimately not fair on the children.

As I said earlier, I love my job though, it's a brilliant career for people who love working with children but it's definitely not for everyone. I'd love to see some of the experts in here try and control a classroom with all the different needs and behaviour challenges. I always laugh at my mates who do a week at coaching Cul Camp and come back and say they're never doing it again.
Good man, Jim. That's an impressive effort in justifying your existence. You really sell yourself as one of the classroom heroes. I hope it doesn't go unnoticed among the critics.

I try my best  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 10:13:40 PM
Agree whole heartily with Jim's honest appraisal, teaching is hard, kids now have a sense of self entitlement, the problem is kids are now teachers, in third year my sons history class had a class average of 21, I questioned the teacher, probably early 20s, at the then parent / teacher meeting as to why it was so low he started directing his comments to my son. I intervened to say I was asking the question he said they weren't putting the work in, every other subject the class average was high 80s but it was the kids fault, I asked to speak to principal, still waiting, history was dropped by the whole class.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 10:16:47 PM
Maybe they were just shit at history
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
Or maybe the teacher was too focused on the McCrory team and the hurling. You do realise how pathetic your posts are, or maybe you don't.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 15, 2022, 10:38:24 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 10:16:47 PM
Maybe they were just shit at history

25/80 would get you a C in GCSE History this year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 15, 2022, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2022, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.

I've worked in the finance sector for a few years and it was a piece of piss and boring as f**k. So glad moved into teach as I love teaching children and love my job. I do hate the meaningless paperwork that's involved in teaching though. As for these private sector jobs. We could all starting naming examples of jobs that are easy. I go to the gym over the summer and a lot of the people in the classes I go to bring their laptops and move their mouse ever now and then to keep their bosses thinking they're busy. And these aren't wee lowly paid jobs! I'm talking people who are earning good money and in well respected jobs. I'm sure they earn their money at different stages of the day or weeks. But to say they're killed working is definitely not the case!

Btw I do agree with people saying that there should be more sanctions for underperforming teachers. I have worked with a few absolutely terrible teachers who were just putting in their time until they retired. When I was a young teacher and desperate for a permanent job it was very frustrating working with those sort of people. I do feel teaching is the sort of job that could wear you down after many years and if I ever get to that stage I would maybe look at taking a career break for a year or two and try to keep my motivation levels at the level they should be. Having an unmotivated teacher in the staff room is toxic ultimately not fair on the children.

As I said earlier, I love my job though, it's a brilliant career for people who love working with children but it's definitely not for everyone. I'd love to see some of the experts in here try and control a classroom with all the different needs and behaviour challenges. I always laugh at my mates who do a week at coaching Cul Camp and come back and say they're never doing it again.
Good man, Jim. That's an impressive effort in justifying your existence. You really sell yourself as one of the classroom heroes. I hope it doesn't go unnoticed among the critics.

I try my best  ;)
Give it a rest Jim you have it handy ;D. Sure aren't you always  posting on Facebook out on the golf course after an easy day at school  ;)
I'd love to be finished at half 2 everyday like yourself!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 15, 2022, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 15, 2022, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 15, 2022, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 15, 2022, 01:01:40 PM
We all did homeschooling from March 2020 were teachers couldn't be arsed setting work or engaging with the kids so doubt you would last working from home.

I've worked in the finance sector for a few years and it was a piece of piss and boring as f**k. So glad moved into teach as I love teaching children and love my job. I do hate the meaningless paperwork that's involved in teaching though. As for these private sector jobs. We could all starting naming examples of jobs that are easy. I go to the gym over the summer and a lot of the people in the classes I go to bring their laptops and move their mouse ever now and then to keep their bosses thinking they're busy. And these aren't wee lowly paid jobs! I'm talking people who are earning good money and in well respected jobs. I'm sure they earn their money at different stages of the day or weeks. But to say they're killed working is definitely not the case!

Btw I do agree with people saying that there should be more sanctions for underperforming teachers. I have worked with a few absolutely terrible teachers who were just putting in their time until they retired. When I was a young teacher and desperate for a permanent job it was very frustrating working with those sort of people. I do feel teaching is the sort of job that could wear you down after many years and if I ever get to that stage I would maybe look at taking a career break for a year or two and try to keep my motivation levels at the level they should be. Having an unmotivated teacher in the staff room is toxic ultimately not fair on the children.

As I said earlier, I love my job though, it's a brilliant career for people who love working with children but it's definitely not for everyone. I'd love to see some of the experts in here try and control a classroom with all the different needs and behaviour challenges. I always laugh at my mates who do a week at coaching Cul Camp and come back and say they're never doing it again.
Good man, Jim. That's an impressive effort in justifying your existence. You really sell yourself as one of the classroom heroes. I hope it doesn't go unnoticed among the critics.

I try my best  ;)
Give it a rest Jim you have it handy ;D. Sure aren't you always  posting on Facebook out on the golf course after an easy day at school  ;)
I'd love to be finished at half 2 everyday like yourself!

I'm packing the golf in after the season I've had. Pure shite
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
So you get the job and it's do whatever ya want?

You must be some pup in your job

Yep that's right, job for life irrespective of what you do.

In my job I work hard to keep people in jobs.

Aye you sound like a top bloke

Bloke? You gone full English now. I'm fully content with what I've brought and continue to bring to my small corner in terms of employment and creating and giving decent people opportunities to work to their potential. You can mock it all you want.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:03:45 PM
You're sounding like a complete tit with your comments about teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:03:45 PM
You're sounding like a complete tit with your comments about teachers.

Funny that, a teacher above just pretty much agreed with what I said  so why aren't you calling him a tit. You are just a big empty vessel aren't you? Zero between the ears and no doubt have a particularly precious teacher as a wife or relative.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:03:45 PM
You're sounding like a complete tit with your comments about teachers.

Funny that, a teacher above just pretty much agreed with what I said  so why aren't you calling him a tit. You are just a big empty vessel aren't you? Zero between the ears and no doubt have a particularly precious teacher as a wife or relative.

I was a teacher, but that's not why I'm disagreeing with your ott comments about teachers. Your allegedly poor teachers you've been in contact with has completed clouded your view on teaching. Pathetic.

Between the ears you've got your eardrum, Ossicle,  eustation canal, cochlear, semi circular canals, auditory nerve, then your brain.. something I do know about
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 16, 2022, 01:08:48 AM
Milltown wins. Nite everyone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on August 16, 2022, 02:39:47 AM
Unless you've spent some time trying to interest a group of 30 pre-teens or teenagers in something they haven't the foggiest notion about, you are simply not qualified to criticize teachers.

Are there bad teachers? For sure.  Are there bad plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, gas-fitters?  Well, if you've ever spent time on the phone trying to get someone to come back to finish a job properly that they've left when it's not working properly, you know the answer.  There are people in every profession who are bad at their job.  It's just a fact.

I've worked as a builder's labourer, a warehouse packer, a cemetery groundsperson, a bookie's board-marker and cashier, an army canteen manager/server and a a Kitchen assistant.  For the last 20-odd years, I teach college.  It's the most demanding and most exhausting job I've ever worked at (despite the summers off).  I can only imagine how much harder it is to teach school-age kids.   

I see how hard my kid's teachers work, and how dedicated they are, and how many special-needs kids they have in their classes, and I have nothing but admiration for them.

Primary and secondary school teacher's rock.   And if you can read this post, you should be thanking them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 16, 2022, 02:39:47 AM
Unless you've spent some time trying to interest a group of 30 pre-teens or teenagers in something they haven't the foggiest notion about, you are simply not qualified to criticize teachers.


So unless you play professional football is one not qualified to criticize a footballers performance, unless you are an elected representative is one not qualified to criticize our politicians or hold them to account, unless you are a qualified dentist, doctor, surgeon, nurse or other healthcare professional is one not qualified to offer any critique on their professional standards, what an utterly ridiculous statement.  Though the pure sanctimonious horseshite of the statement below takes the biscuit.   

Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 16, 2022, 02:39:47 AM

Primary and secondary school teacher's rock.   And if you can read this post, you should be thanking them.

My wife and I taught our kids to read, all parents teach their kids, most kids don't start school until they are 5 are you seriously saying that they start totally incapable of reading and only because of teachers they can?  By the way we also taught our kids to walk and talk or are you going take credit for that also.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 07:26:20 AM
Whoever taught you needs a good slap
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 07:26:20 AM
Whoever taught you needs a good slap

Do you not be embarrassed by these posts, what are you a 50 year old man, your life must be very empty.  Maybe you should get out more, a bit of exercise or something, it's really not healthy for your mental health to be so obsessed about an anonymous discussion board.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 08:32:05 AM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 07:29:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 07:26:20 AM
Whoever taught you needs a good slap

Do you not be embarrassed by these posts, what are you a 50 year old man, your life must be very empty.  Maybe you should get out more, a bit of exercise or something, it's really not healthy for your mental health to be so obsessed about an anonymous discussion board.

I really do, I really need to get out more and exercise (runs 5k a day)

As for embarrassment, actually saying you taught your kids to walk and talk!! You are up there with Einstein with levels of teaching you possess
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
So you didn't assist your kids with their earliest steps and never spoke a word to them or corrected their baby talk.  ::)  You really mustn't get embarrassed.  I also taught them to swim, then they went to classes to improve.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
So you didn't assist your kids with their earliest steps and never spoke a word to them or corrected their baby talk.  ::)  You really mustn't get embarrassed.

I think it goes WITHOUT saying that parents do the basics. I don't understand the rest of your post though, as I never said that.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 16, 2022, 10:48:05 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 16, 2022, 02:39:47 AM
Unless you've spent some time trying to interest a group of 30 pre-teens or teenagers in something they haven't the foggiest notion about, you are simply not qualified to criticize teachers.

Are there bad teachers? For sure.  Are there bad plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, gas-fitters?  Well, if you've ever spent time on the phone trying to get someone to come back to finish a job properly that they've left when it's not working properly, you know the answer.  There are people in every profession who are bad at their job.  It's just a fact.

I've worked as a builder's labourer, a warehouse packer, a cemetery groundsperson, a bookie's board-marker and cashier, an army canteen manager/server and a a Kitchen assistant.  For the last 20-odd years, I teach college.  It's the most demanding and most exhausting job I've ever worked at (despite the summers off).  I can only imagine how much harder it is to teach school-age kids.   

I see how hard my kid's teachers work, and how dedicated they are, and how many special-needs kids they have in their classes, and I have nothing but admiration for them.

Primary and secondary school teacher's rock.   And if you can read this post, you should be thanking them.
The high opinion that teachers hold themselves in is astounding  ;D
The self entitlement from them is also astounding. Then when they were needed during the pandemic they threaten to go on strike.All the while every other critical sector were out busting a gut to keep the country going at the time.
The scaremongering from them at the time was unreal. I think they let a lot of people down and it won't be forgotten for a while.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 16, 2022, 11:32:54 AM
Sack the lotta them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:19:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2022, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2022, 11:03:45 PM
You're sounding like a complete tit with your comments about teachers.

Funny that, a teacher above just pretty much agreed with what I said  so why aren't you calling him a tit. You are just a big empty vessel aren't you? Zero between the ears and no doubt have a particularly precious teacher as a wife or relative.

I was a teacher, but that's not why I'm disagreeing with your ott comments about teachers. Your allegedly poor teachers you've been in contact with has completed clouded your view on teaching. Pathetic.

Between the ears you've got your eardrum, Ossicle,  eustation canal, cochlear, semi circular canals, auditory nerve, then your brain.. something I do know about

Of course its not. Now I understand. Good for you to move on and find something you are better at.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
Statement from INTO this morning. School teachers being balloted in September for strike action for more money and reduction of workload.

We await Barnster's opinion when he gets up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on August 16, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Is a lot of the ill will towards teachers here based on how board members had to school their own kids during the Pandemic and have a touch of PTSD as a result?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 16, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Is a lot of the ill will towards teachers here based on how board members had to school their own kids during the Pandemic and have a touch of PTSD as a result?
Sure it could never be the teachers who were wrong could it  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:43:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
So you didn't assist your kids with their earliest steps and never spoke a word to them or corrected their baby talk.  ::)  You really mustn't get embarrassed.

I think it goes WITHOUT saying that parents do the basics. I don't understand the rest of your post though, as I never said that.

Like teaching them to read!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on August 16, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 16, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Is a lot of the ill will towards teachers here based on how board members had to school their own kids during the Pandemic and have a touch of PTSD as a result?
Perhaps not even "school" but just "look after".
Dare I say.
Ah that old chestnut that parents were looking for babysitters. Another thing dreamt up by teachers to justify not going to work. They let everyone down and threatened to go strike while everyone else that was needed went out and got stuck in and went to work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what the poppy symnolies.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:48:04 PM
Now some of them set up zoom meetings and then didn't show up, some set up zoom meetings and did show up, the majority took their summer holidays from March 2020 to September 2020 and then yapped of the danger they were in when they had to go back. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

And you do!!!!! Seriously step away.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 16, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 16, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Is a lot of the ill will towards teachers here based on how board members had to school their own kids during the Pandemic and have a touch of PTSD as a result?
Perhaps not even "school" but just "look after".
Dare I say.
Ah that old chestnut that parents were looking for babysitters. Another thing dreamt up by teachers to justify not going to work. They let everyone down and threatened to go strike while everyone else that was needed went out and got stuck in and went to work.

Everyone else didn't. Some . 'Key' workers dropped their kids off at school during the lockdown and went about pursuing their hobbies.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Turf on August 16, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 16, 2022, 12:31:03 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 16, 2022, 12:23:31 PM
Is a lot of the ill will towards teachers here based on how board members had to school their own kids during the Pandemic and have a touch of PTSD as a result?
Perhaps not even "school" but just "look after".
Dare I say.
Ah that old chestnut that parents were looking for babysitters. Another thing dreamt up by teachers to justify not going to work. They let everyone down and threatened to go strike while everyone else that was needed went out and got stuck in and went to work.

Everyone else didn't. Some . 'Key' workers dropped their kids off at school during the lockdown and went about pursuing their hobbies.

Stats there Jim or did you meet one on hiking up the mournes when you were meant to be remote teaching?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 16, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Stats 😂😂😂

Parents dropping their kids off at school to pursue their hobbies is hardly something which is recorded.

I know you are just out of your bed so give yourself an hour or two to get fully functional
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

And you do!!!!! Seriously step away.

You've 50 posts, 45 of them are about teachers being bad, wise up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
So just makey uppy stuff  then, that the best you can do Jim, try and belittle, bless I am not one of the kids it seriously won't bother me.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
So just makey uppy stuff  then, that the best you can do Jim, try and belittle, bless I am not one of the kids it seriously won't bother me.

46 now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

And you do!!!!! Seriously step away.

You've 50 posts, 45 of them are about teachers being bad, wise up

You have near 30000, over half insulting folk - maybe you should wise up!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

And you do!!!!! Seriously step away.

You've 50 posts, 45 of them are about teachers being bad, wise up

You have near 30000, over half insulting folk - maybe you should wise up!

47
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:12:40 PM
Keep going you will be at 30000 in no time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:12:40 PM
Keep going you will be at 30000 in no time.

I've more that that, I used to be Milltown Row, and and changed it to Milltown Row 2.. keep up 48
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:18:01 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 16, 2022, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
So just makey uppy stuff  then, that the best you can do Jim, try and belittle, bless I am not one of the kids it seriously won't bother me.
That's a fairly dismissive attitude from someone who expects his anecdotal tale about his son's third year History teacher to be believed.

Here's the thing, if you don't believe it don't, I believe Jim is talking through his hoop.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

Says the man who, in a thread about teachers, brought 'up the Ra t-shirts' into it.

:)


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 16, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Parents are the main educators of children.

Full stop.

The parents of the kids with the up the ra T-shirts have done sterling work so far ;)

Depends on what their parents' outlook on the Ra is I suppose?

I'd compare that with children (and parents of course) who wear poppies in November.  They are supporting the terrorists of the BA/RUC and their loyalist colleagues.

That's what a poppy symnolies.

Why are you always comparing with 'them' when it's not part of the conversation? It doesn't add to the discussion.

Says the man who, in a thread about teachers, brought 'up the Ra t-shirts' into it.

:)

Yeah and you still brought in the RUC into it, do you feel the UVF are a terrorist group?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off

It should root out the bad ones. Or at least identify them for more training. They'll build reputations, need references etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 02:24:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off

I'm in quite a rural area and teachers are expected to be able to travel up to 1 hour when they move schools. It's bound to be super stressful because you only get a few weeks notice from what I understand. If you are in a big city I'd guess moving schools would be a little easier.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off

It should root out the bad ones. Or at least identify them for more training. They'll build reputations, need references etc.


So you think on the word of one person, who said there were some merit in changing staff every 5 years, in Japan,    confirms your point of view.  Yet , the staffing expert in Japan ( presuming  that they worked in a Japanese state school as opposed to an international ex- pat one !) havent substantiated any of these positives. Christ Almighty....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 03:13:19 PM
Just to be clear here. I was just stating the fact that it happens in Japan. There are positive and negative aspects to it as with most things.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off

It should root out the bad ones. Or at least identify them for more training. They'll build reputations, need references etc.


So you think on the word of one person, who said there were some merit in changing staff every 5 years, in Japan,    confirms your point of view.  Yet , the staffing expert in Japan ( presuming  that they worked in a Japanese state school as opposed to an international ex- pat one !) havent substantiated any of these positives. Christ Almighty....

You said it was impractical. I'm saying it isn't. The fact it is done elsewhere proves it is not impractical. You mightn't like it and that's fine but it is not an impractical idea.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 03:26:33 PM
Trailer would you be happy with losing a great teacher for a dud? do you think thats ok? Would you complain about it or just accept it cause they do it in Japan?  ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on August 16, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

Go on. Explain how it found be done with most CS jobs. I don't agree it's practical for teachers either by the way
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 02:09:57 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM
One simple solution to a lot of teaching issues would be to make teachers move schools every 5-7 years. Keep it fresh for the teachers, the students and the parents. Make them interview for new jobs. Would raise the standard and stop teachers from punching in time.
You could do it with most of the CS jobs apart from maybe health.

An impractical idea !  Schools do refresh their workforce but not every 5-7 years, too much upheaval.Parents and pupils actually appreciate continuity of care provided by teachers and CAs/ staff. A few posters on here seem to have issues with teaching standards in Ireland.( and yes they can vary ) but the standards of reading and maths for 10 year olds and 14 years olds, places Ireland in the top 10 countries in the world. And before you lose the will to live - this is an international acclaimed research study  called PIRLS and TIMMS)

Quote from: John Martin on August 16, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
I'm working as an assistant teacher in Japan at the minute and they have a system like that where all public school teachers move between schools. It varies on where they are needed but most would move on every 5-7 years. I thought it was weird at first but I can see the merits in it now.

Well it only took one post to disprove it as an impractical idea. Japan and I think Australia do it as well.

Do they stay locally or travel all over? What if your kid had a great teacher for the year and then some dud comes in? Christ you'd be pissed off

It should root out the bad ones. Or at least identify them for more training. They'll build reputations, need references etc.


So you think on the word of one person, who said there were some merit in changing staff every 5 years, in Japan,    confirms your point of view.  Yet , the staffing expert in Japan ( presuming  that they worked in a Japanese state school as opposed to an international ex- pat one !) havent substantiated any of these positives. Christ Almighty....

You said it was impractical. I'm saying it isn't. The fact it is done elsewhere proves it is not impractical. You mightn't like it and that's fine but it is not an impractical idea.

It is wholly impractical to change a staff every 5-7 years, for a wide range of reasons:-
1. A school's whole provision for continuous improvement wouldnt be achievable, as you need a core of permanent staff to implement.
2. Schools do not have a HR department - Schools rely on Governors/Boards of Management to make appointments -
3. Your idea - would imply - that school's would lose their best staff that they have invested lots of money into training to meet the needs of their school ( for the benefit of some other school.
4. As suggested - if you keep changing schools every 5 years - you arent invested in that school, just looking for the next move  etc etc
5. Continuity of care isnt sustained
6. The school managers would spend too much time developing subject leaders, co ordinators , key stage leaders etc etc

I do agree that it is beneficial to refresh the staff with new members, but constantly changing staff for the sake of it, leads to greater problems than benefits,imo
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work

Would he lose his job and then get another job somewhere else?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work

Would he lose his job and then get another job somewhere else?

If you want to answer my question, even though it wasn't addressed to you, knock yourself out. But answering a question with a question is just bad manners.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:32:43 PM
He knows no other way all bullshit and bluster.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

They would be told to shape up (...buy a decent car)  or ship out ta fck !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:43:20 PM
Would that be in the official guidelines, I am sure the union rep would be by their side in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

They would be told to shape up (...buy a decent car)  or ship out ta fck !

Was that a serious answer to my question? If you did that you would be breaking the law and would have your ass sued for unfair dismissal. Do you want to have another go?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:32:43 PM
He knows no other way all bullshit and bluster.

Says the man who I'm still waiting on numerous answers from numerous names on this board. There are clowns then we have you Coco the biggest clown on the board, by a good distance


For itchy
Where I worked as a teacher if I repeatedly turned up late I'd be asked to leave at some point. As management I'd be asking why? Is there anything we could do to solve this, but seeing as your a top bloke you'll probably let them go and get someone who'll be on time
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on August 16, 2022, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work

What has a hypothetical situation got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:32:43 PM
He knows no other way all bullshit and bluster.

Says the man who I'm still waiting on numerous answers from numerous names on this board. There are clowns then we have you Coco the biggest clown on the board, by a good distance


For itchy
Where I worked as a teacher if I repeatedly turned up late I'd be asked to leave at some point. As management I'd be asking why? Is there anything we could do to solve this, but seeing as your a top bloke you'll probably let them go and get someone who'll be on time

You'd be asked to leave at some point? Is that a serious answer. You couldn't possibly be that stupid.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2022, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work

What has a hypothetical situation got to do with anything?

Quite a lot actually when you compare how a teacher and a private sector worker would be treated for the same thing.

So far I've got one teacher say the teacher in my example would be told to fcuk off and a former teacher says he would be asked to leave at some point. Both show complete and total ignorance of employment law and mean that neither respondents have a clue what they are on about, probably because neither has ever seen a disciplinary process in action. That of course is because they are/were teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:32:43 PM
He knows no other way all bullshit and bluster.

Says the man who I'm still waiting on numerous answers from numerous names on this board. There are clowns then we have you Coco the biggest clown on the board, by a good distance


For itchy
Where I worked as a teacher if I repeatedly turned up late I'd be asked to leave at some point. As management I'd be asking why? Is there anything we could do to solve this, but seeing as your a top bloke you'll probably let them go and get someone who'll be on time

You'd be asked to leave at some point? Is that a serious answer. You couldn't possibly be that stupid.

I'd imagine if I get enough written warnings then I'd be gone. How else would it work?

It seems your knowledge of teaching disciplinary systems are better than teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:36:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 04:32:43 PM
He knows no other way all bullshit and bluster.

Says the man who I'm still waiting on numerous answers from numerous names on this board. There are clowns then we have you Coco the biggest clown on the board, by a good distance


For itchy
Where I worked as a teacher if I repeatedly turned up late I'd be asked to leave at some point. As management I'd be asking why? Is there anything we could do to solve this, but seeing as your a top bloke you'll probably let them go and get someone who'll be on time

You'd be asked to leave at some point? Is that a serious answer. You couldn't possibly be that stupid.

I'd imagine if I get enough written warnings then I'd be gone. How else would it work?

It seems your knowledge of teaching disciplinary systems are better than teachers

You imagine? What's in your disciplinary procedure from your teaching job?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
I'm out of teaching 8 years I couldn't tell ya as I was never had disciplinary issues, no reason to look into it but in my place during my time there was someone who lost his job, was for missing days not being late. Another lost his job for stealing, crazy..

What's your disciplinary procedures? Do you try and help them or just get rid?

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on August 16, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
I'm out of teaching 8 years I couldn't tell ya as I was never had disciplinary issues, no reason to look into it but in my place during my time there was someone who lost his job, was for missing days not being late. Another lost his job for stealing, crazy..

What's your disciplinary procedures? Do you try and help them or just get rid?

Teaching in a school ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
I'm out of teaching 8 years I couldn't tell ya as I was never had disciplinary issues, no reason to look into it but in my place during my time there was someone who lost his job, was for missing days not being late. Another lost his job for stealing, crazy..

What's your disciplinary procedures? Do you try and help them or just get rid?

We try and help people first and foremost but there is only so much you can do. A the end of the day it's only a small % that go all the way to termination.  Most get their warning(s) and buck up their ideas. Which is the purpose of disciplinary, not to fire everyone.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 16, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
I'm out of teaching 8 years I couldn't tell ya as I was never had disciplinary issues, no reason to look into it but in my place during my time there was someone who lost his job, was for missing days not being late. Another lost his job for stealing, crazy..

What's your disciplinary procedures? Do you try and help them or just get rid?

Teaching in a school ?

College
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 16, 2022, 10:49:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 16, 2022, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 16, 2022, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Barnster on August 16, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
On the inspections is it not undermined when schools get notice?

That is correct, usually two weeks notice. As said previously, a lot of northern schools are self evaluative and they outline to ETI - what they have been improving in school. ETI will evolve into a quality assurance / consultancy approach in the next 18 months. Afaik, school inspections in the South are in their infancy - so can't comment

I am guessing you are a teacher? A simple question for you, what would happen in your school if a teacher repeatedly turned up late - for arguments sake, lets say 20 to 30 mins late, every couple of days. And lets assume that this particular teacher continued to do this over and over and over. Talk me through how the school would deal with this where it would end up if the teacher continued to do this.

If you want, I can then outline exactly what would happen in the company I work

What has a hypothetical situation got to do with anything?

Quite a lot actually when you compare how a teacher and a private sector worker would be treated for the same thing.

So far I've got one teacher say the teacher in my example would be told to fcuk off and a former teacher says he would be asked to leave at some point. Both show complete and total ignorance of employment law and mean that neither respondents have a clue what they are on about, probably because neither has ever seen a disciplinary process in action. That of course is because they are/were teachers.

Sorry, hadnt  time to respond earlier, was away getting my car serviced, so it is in good order, so Im not late for work ! But you didnt pick up on  that !  In 30 years , Ive never had a colleague , who deliberately was late for work in a continuous pattern. Indeed most teachers are in school at 8.30 for 9am , the boss appreciates their efforts !
Obviously the employing authority have procedures in place for disciplinary matters but Ive never had to use them  because their is a good professional working relationship within the school. Im sure the policy is the same as any private sector work place, no big deal. And yes, I would expect to get the head chewed off me for repeat offences ! ⁸
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 17, 2022, 01:15:16 AM
The dossers wouldn't I assume get any responsibility points that are offered by the BOGs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2022, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.

In a school or over 200 staff, you will get the useless ones for sure, in your own place of work you'll have ones that do just enough to not lose their job, be in in the manufacturing side of things or up in management. That unfortunately is a fact of life. The problem I see here is those that have are hammering teachers are using a big brush to taint them all as useless hoors, hitting the Public sector as well.

I'd say the percentage is very low with regards to very underperforming teachers, the stories I hear of parents coming in and asking for their kids to be doing higher math when their kids struggled to get a C in GCSE is very common and shows you how deluded some parents are..

If you are not happy with a teachers performance make a report, send it to the principle and board of Governors, the role of a governor can be described as monitoring and evaluating the progress of the school. This involves being curious, critical, and confident in asking difficult questions.. They meet every so often and they would have to react to these letters that keep turning up..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 17, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.

How is this defined?

All very good throwing this term out but how do you quantify it?

Impossible to do I think.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2022, 09:59:10 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.
Baloney, Tony 
I didnt bring up the example of time keeping ! And yes , I agree with your point that time keeping wouldnt be a significant issue.
Teachers do have performance targets to meet as part of school improvement. Data analysis is used extensively to indicate under performance
Schools/ BOG can place poorly performing teachers on an unsatisfactory performance process  involving re training, team teaching , professional support to raise their performance and outcomes.
Staff work in a collegiate approach to improve standards throughout a school, support colleagues to improve their understanding , we dont place them in a sack cloth....but ...its just more waffle, would you like maple syrup ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 17, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
The time keeping was a simple example I created because time keeping is easy to measure and monitor, rather than for example teaching ability which is subjective. Some on here, some who are teachers, find it hard to grasp the notion that a simple example might be used to explore a point.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 17, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 17, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.

How is this defined?

All very good throwing this term out but how do you quantify it?

Impossible to do I think.

Trend average results year on year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2022, 06:46:16 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 17, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
The time keeping was a simple example I created because time keeping is easy to measure and monitor, rather than for example teaching ability which is subjective. Some on here, some who are teachers, find it hard to grasp the notion that a simple example might be used to explore a point.
Did we ever get to the point of that particular exploration?

Late bad early good
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2022, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 17, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 17, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2022, 01:06:47 AM
Time-keeping and discipline is a red herring. Performance on the job is the bigger issue. There is zero sanction for a teacher who delivers poor performance in the classroom. Delgany throws out some managerial waffle but the truth is schools are powerless to take on an under-performing individual and it's the pupils who suffer. As someone said earlier the public sector approach of en bloc pay awards means there is no real means of rewarding consistent good performance. It must be very demoralising for good people to sit in the staff room and know that some tool who does little work gets the same pay as someone who works hard.

How is this defined?

All very good throwing this term out but how do you quantify it?

Impossible to do I think.

Trend average results year on year.

In the North, schools use pupil performance standardised tests to generate data , year on year, to measure improvement per child, per class/ teacher/ year group/ gender/ Free school meals/ whole school. This data drives school improvement in core subjects in primary  and subjects in secondary schools. 
Under performance is dealt with in a range of methods.
Im not sure if schools in Ireland would be as Data driven?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on August 17, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Says the north then says Ireland, as if he's a foreigner ;D Are these clowns actually teaching children?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2022, 07:37:33 PM
Think he was just showing a difference in how schools in different parts of the country as Itchy has his beef with schools in his area
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 17, 2022, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 17, 2022, 07:52:03 PM
Ah ok, in Ireland, where Itchy lives.
::)

Yes indeed, its hard to keep up , some people lose the run of themselves about where they live!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2022, 07:30:56 AM
Wife said her A level results were really good this year, all A's one B ... should keep her job for another year... phew
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 18, 2022, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2022, 07:30:56 AM
Wife said her A level results were really good this year, all A's one B ... should keep her job for another year... phew

Great to hear , MR .
My oldest girl got her grades and is off to Glasgow.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: delgany on August 18, 2022, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 18, 2022, 07:30:56 AM
Wife said her A level results were really good this year, all A's one B ... should keep her job for another year... phew

Great to hear , MR .
My oldest girl got her grades and is off to Glasgow.

Youngest off too, two A's and A*

Manchester or Liverpool! Anyways boat booked and Ikea at the weekend!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: redzone on August 19, 2022, 05:59:18 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 19, 2022, 12:12:33 AM
Call me a cynic, but I'd reckon that most of those calling the loudest for certain teachers to be sacked more easily if their students had a history of under-performing in exams would be the first to complain if the newer teachers in place actually did want they wanted in improving overall average students grades at A-Level/GCSE/Leaving Cert etc. with complaints about grade inflation, "exams weren't as easy back in my day" and so on.  ;)
What ever happened that teacher in Fintona that allegedly drew on the child's forehead with a permanent marker
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 07:39:26 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed

So either people were thick back in the day or the teaching has improved and kids are generally smarter.

Tests are still used from back in the day so which is it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on August 19, 2022, 08:32:13 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 07:39:26 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed

So either people were thick back in the day or the teaching has improved and kids are generally smarter.

Tests are still used from back in the day so which is it?

I must have missed it but where was it said here that teaching standards are worse today than 20/30 years ago?
The point I personally have made is around under performing teachers (minority) and what is done about them (nothing). There are loads of brilliant teachers and I would imagine they must be ripping too looking at what others are allowed get away with.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.

Would say medicine is a vocation or do people look at it like that nowadays? Is it all about the money/benefits? Daughter has a clear view of what's she wants. I still don't know what I want at 50!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on August 19, 2022, 09:25:17 AM
I sssiem it's the nature of how A Levels are structured now, years ago it was all on the day in May/June of upper sixth. Now they are more modular over the two years so it's harder to really f**k them up I guess, coursework making up % of a grade in some subjects too. The system is certainly more weighted towards better grades now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mario on August 19, 2022, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.

Would say medicine is a vocation or do people look at it like that nowadays? Is it all about the money/benefits? Daughter has a clear view of what's she wants. I still don't know what I want at 50!
It's 18 years since i did A-levels but back then a lot of people that went into Medicine were encouraged into by their parents or brought up to think they should become a doctor as they were bright at school so why would you do anything else. A lot of parents saw it as a status symbol. I'm sure some also seen it as a vocation.

It's not all about money/benefits but if someone is doing 9-5 and earning 50% more than you i know what i would choose.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 19, 2022, 09:25:17 AM
I sssiem it's the nature of how A Levels are structured now, years ago it was all on the day in May/June of upper sixth. Now they are more modular over the two years so it's harder to really f**k them up I guess, coursework making up % of a grade in some subjects too. The system is certainly more weighted towards better grades now

So you are sitting a math A level or a science topic are they structured with course work or have they stayed the same?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 19, 2022, 09:25:17 AM
I sssiem it's the nature of how A Levels are structured now, years ago it was all on the day in May/June of upper sixth. Now they are more modular over the two years so it's harder to really f**k them up I guess, coursework making up % of a grade in some subjects too. The system is certainly more weighted towards better grades now

So you are sitting a math A level or a science topic are they structured with course work or have they stayed the same?
They are modules, half of which can be repeated before you end up with your final A level grade.

I imagine that's what he is getting at.

When doing math you do modules?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2022, 10:09:49 AM
I did maths modules 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on August 19, 2022, 10:26:28 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:05:21 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:02:01 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 19, 2022, 09:25:17 AM
I sssiem it's the nature of how A Levels are structured now, years ago it was all on the day in May/June of upper sixth. Now they are more modular over the two years so it's harder to really f**k them up I guess, coursework making up % of a grade in some subjects too. The system is certainly more weighted towards better grades now

So you are sitting a math A level or a science topic are they structured with course work or have they stayed the same?

They are modules, half of which can be repeated before you end up with your final A level grade.

I imagine that's what he is getting at.

Yeah it is, I thought it was pretty clear (to most)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:11:24 AM
As far as I know. Is it 2 at AS and 2 at A2 now?

Was 3 & 3 when I did it, if I remember correctly.

Show's you how much I listen to her and she teaches A level math! eldest daughter did it few years ago, I just though they did exams AS lower 6th and then exams in upper 6th.

What I'm getting at though is there course work involved in these subjects.. What subjects have coursework? And yes 35 years ago I was doing course work that gave you % towards your exams, so unless Kidder81 is older than me he'd have done coursework that led to a % of your results
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.

Colleges are a business as well so they won't change that unless they are forced too, thats down to the lads/lasses on the hill who won't bother but will plead we need more doctors.. Arseholes
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.

Colleges are a business as well so they won't change that unless they are forced too, thats down to the lads/lasses on the hill who won't bother but will plead we need more doctors.. Arseholes

You don't seem to understand how college places work. if QUB has funding for 100 places then they have funding for 100 places. The overseas students are on top. They pay full fees. If they cut overseas places it makes no difference to the places they can provide for local students.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.

Colleges are a business as well so they won't change that unless they are forced too, thats down to the lads/lasses on the hill who won't bother but will plead we need more doctors.. Arseholes

You don't seem to understand how college places work. if QUB has funding for 100 places then they have funding for 100 places. The overseas students are on top. They pay full fees. If they cut overseas places it makes no difference to the places they can provide for local students.

Yeah but why give it to overseas students rather than sending our students across the water to do the same degree? Would we not be able to fill those places?

So they pay full fees, so does that mean QUB makes more money? and then like I said, colleges become a business
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on August 19, 2022, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.

Colleges are a business as well so they won't change that unless they are forced too, thats down to the lads/lasses on the hill who won't bother but will plead we need more doctors.. Arseholes

You don't seem to understand how college places work. if QUB has funding for 100 places then they have funding for 100 places. The overseas students are on top. They pay full fees. If they cut overseas places it makes no difference to the places they can provide for local students.

Yeah but why give it to overseas students rather than sending our students across the water to do the same degree? Would we not be able to fill those places?

So they pay full fees, so does that mean QUB makes more money? and then like I said, colleges become a business

CORRECT!!!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 19, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 01:05:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Mario on August 19, 2022, 08:57:06 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on August 19, 2022, 07:23:44 AM
Back in my day it was very rare for anyone to get 3 As in the school and many a time no one got 3 As.  Anyone who did was off doing law/medicine etc. 
Nowadays 3 As are ten a penny and the people that get them aren't doing the laws/medicine etc. 
Even the likes of nursing used to be Cs and Ds but now it's Bs.  All changed
Slightly unrelated but a lot of bright students aren't doing law or medicine anymore. The best money is in computer science and finance.
Medicine has always been a mix of kudos, being seen as financially and emotionally rewarding and what you did if you were top of the class in sciences. Similar to law in non-science subjects. It's a much more diverse world out there and there are more types of jobs and more opportunities to be well paid.

The medical profession in particular doesn't look very attractive at present and my sister in law, who is a well paid consultant, said she definitely wouldn't encourage her own children to do it as a career, especially as it actually takes years to start making good money compared to other professions. However, we need GPs, hospital doctors, surgeons etc. so they need be encouraged and the profession needs to remain attractive. QUB are not helping by wanting foreign money and forcing good local kids to learn and eventually practice elsewhere.

Colleges are a business as well so they won't change that unless they are forced too, thats down to the lads/lasses on the hill who won't bother but will plead we need more doctors.. Arseholes

You don't seem to understand how college places work. if QUB has funding for 100 places then they have funding for 100 places. The overseas students are on top. They pay full fees. If they cut overseas places it makes no difference to the places they can provide for local students.

Yeah but why give it to overseas students rather than sending our students across the water to do the same degree? Would we not be able to fill those places?

So they pay full fees, so does that mean QUB makes more money? and then like I said, colleges become a business

Yes but if they decided to take zero overseas students it wouldn't make any difference to the spaces they can offer. Actually scratch that they would probably have to cancel some courses as they'd be unviable without the overseas students.
If your issue is with students not getting places and having to go overseas to study then take that up with out current education minister in our non functioning Stormont government.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 03:56:34 PM
 Take in the students from here if they have the grades, if there is a short fall then fill it with overseas students.. Not difficult
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 19, 2022, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 19, 2022, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 03:56:34 PM
Take in the students from here if they have the grades, if there is a short fall then fill it with overseas students.. Not difficult

The main issue is that overseas students are an utter cash cow for universities these days (particularly Russell Group or "red brick" unis like Queens), especially with funding for domestic students at the same universities capped by Stormont (and by Westminster & devolved parliaments in GB). Universities in the UK are not subject by law to a fees cap for overseas students (i.e. not resident in the UK**) whom, especially the Chinese, will pay plenty to get on to courses even if they're clearly not capable of completing the course as the university in question will lower the grade requirements for them compared to "home" students.



** Not sure how RoI or other EU resident students are now affected post-Brexit.

Currently, QUB have places available  for GB ( £9750 fees) and International students ( 17 k to 23k) for plenty of  high calibre courses but these are not available for NI ( £4750 / ROI  (£? ) students...I wonder why ? QUB and UU,  get a set budget from NI Executive for student intake, based on the level of fees. Hence, the vastly inflated grades needed ie AAB for most courses at QUB, particularly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 19, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Back in my day it was all about the exams in June ,,, no coursework counted so if you dossed your way
through  lower and upper sixth like I did you were soon caught out. I only found out a week before my History A Level exam that Piedmont was actually a region in Italy. I had thought all along Piedmont was some sort of war general.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 19, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: delgany on August 19, 2022, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 19, 2022, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 03:56:34 PM
Take in the students from here if they have the grades, if there is a short fall then fill it with overseas students.. Not difficult

The main issue is that overseas students are an utter cash cow for universities these days (particularly Russell Group or "red brick" unis like Queens), especially with funding for domestic students at the same universities capped by Stormont (and by Westminster & devolved parliaments in GB). Universities in the UK are not subject by law to a fees cap for overseas students (i.e. not resident in the UK**) whom, especially the Chinese, will pay plenty to get on to courses even if they're clearly not capable of completing the course as the university in question will lower the grade requirements for them compared to "home" students.



** Not sure how RoI or other EU resident students are now affected post-Brexit.

Currently, QUB have places available  for GB ( £9750 fees) and International students ( 17 k to 23k) for plenty of  high calibre courses but these are not available for NI ( £4750 / ROI  (£? ) students...I wonder why ? QUB and UU,  get a set budget from NI Executive for student intake, based on the level of fees. Hence, the vastly inflated grades needed ie AAB for most courses at QUB, particularly.
I couldn't believe that Geography at Queens needed something like ABB. It was CCC back in my day. I know for a fact Finance at Queens was ABB for students here but BCC if you applied from GB thru clearing!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
CCEA c**k-up the Eng Lit results? Talk of them using the raw score instead of UMS.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
In terms of English Lit, awarding the raw will result in you getting a grade up to 3 grades below than it should be.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 10:15:45 PM
I think you only chose one of the two exams this year. So those who chose AEL1, where the anomaly seems to have happened, have had a few stressful days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 10:26:58 PM
Ach mistakes happen. And you hope universities will compensate for those types of errors. Stressful times for those who maybe had their heart on that pathway. It'll be sorted i'm sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 19, 2022, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on August 19, 2022, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 03:56:34 PM
Take in the students from here if they have the grades, if there is a short fall then fill it with overseas students.. Not difficult

The main issue is that overseas students are an utter cash cow for universities these days (particularly Russell Group or "red brick" unis like Queens), especially with funding for domestic students at the same universities capped by Stormont (and by Westminster & devolved parliaments in GB). Universities in the UK are not subject by law to a fees cap for overseas students (i.e. not resident in the UK**) whom, especially the Chinese, will pay plenty to get on to courses even if they're clearly not capable of completing the course as the university in question will lower the grade requirements for them compared to "home" students.

Some ex poly type "universities" in England may be accommodating to Chinese students, but the better ones will get Chinese students that are well able to do the exams, especially in more technical stuff.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 19, 2022, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 10:15:45 PM
I think you only chose one of the two exams this year. So those who chose AEL1, where the anomaly seems to have happened, have had a few stressful days.

Where is this information about the Eng Lit,   Mr. O. The  daughter did the AEL 1
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 10:38:56 PM
https://twitter.com/BabelBros/status/1560289020990685185
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
So is there a scaling in these results? The top six % will get A*s ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 19, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
Great to be back though. It was a long summer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:53:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
So is there a scaling in these results? The top six % will get A*s ?
There is scaling. Not sure of the A* threshold.

There's also degree of difficulty in exam's
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 11:27:40 PM
Lol. So I heard.

Lol
I mean some exams have a grade of difficulty
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 20, 2022, 12:33:58 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 19, 2022, 06:42:22 PM
Back in my day it was all about the exams in June ,,, no coursework counted so if you dossed your way
through  lower and upper sixth like I did you were soon caught out. I only found out a week before my History A Level exam that Piedmont was actually a region in Italy. I had thought all along Piedmont was some sort of war general.
Then into teaching. Is there any part of your life you didn't doss your way through?

Naw. Got away with it all through my career. Whenever the inspections were due I rang in sick on the Monday. Nothing anyone could do. Was back on the Thursday ...got a few dirty looks but so what ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 20, 2022, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:53:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
So is there a scaling in these results? The top six % will get A*s ?
There is scaling. Not sure of the A* threshold.

There's also degree of difficulty in exam's
Each of which you'd fail.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2022, 12:52:09 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 20, 2022, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2022, 10:53:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 19, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
So is there a scaling in these results? The top six % will get A*s ?
There is scaling. Not sure of the A* threshold.

There's also degree of difficulty in exam's
Each of which you'd fail.

Eh? Fail what? 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on August 20, 2022, 11:15:19 AM
Was talking to an examiner in England who is still marking GCSE papers this morning. Talk about cutting it fine.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 23, 2022, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.

Banking is a thing of the past, call centre post for most young people , these days !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on August 23, 2022, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.
From one handy job to another.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 23, 2022, 06:18:12 PM
I'd say he'll not struggle to get a permanent job!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 23, 2022, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.
From one handy job to another.

👍 Handy aul number
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dunsilly King on August 25, 2022, 01:39:52 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.

Finished uni just, he played in this years Sigerson final.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 25, 2022, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on August 25, 2022, 01:39:52 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on August 23, 2022, 04:36:01 PM
I see David Clifford has joined the ranks. I thought he worked in the Bank.

Finished uni just, he played in this years Sigerson final.

he can play college football for the training college I take it?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on August 25, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
9 and 1/2 weeks to Halloween break. Long aul stint this bit!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on August 25, 2022, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 25, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
9 and 1/2 weeks to Halloween break. Long aul stint this bit!

Back holiday Monday?

Surely a wee "inset" threw in at the end of September for a long weekend ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on August 25, 2022, 06:14:30 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 25, 2022, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 25, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
9 and 1/2 weeks to Halloween break. Long aul stint this bit!

Back holiday Monday?

Surely a wee "inset" threw in at the end of September for a long weekend ?

It was a great thing for All Ire Final weekend....unfortunately ...no longer !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 08:26:53 AM
What's the lowdown on this Enoch Burke lad?

Is he in the Joy for breaching a court order from attending a school he was teaching at as he wouldn't use "they" to describe a pupil?

There has to be more to it than that!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 06, 2022, 09:30:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 08:26:53 AM
What's the lowdown on this Enoch Burke lad?

Is he in the Joy for breaching a court order from attending a school he was teaching at as he wouldn't use "they" to describe a pupil?

There has to be more to it than that!

He sounds like a bit of a dose. Was suspended from School and they had to get an injunction against him to keep him out and he broke that by sitting in an empty classroom. Whether he is right or wrong he seemed to have wanted to cause an unmerciful row.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

I'd ban all religious crackpots from teaching
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

That's the bit I don't get. The whole going in and sitting in an empty classroom definitely was a bit of a red flag as to whether this guy was ok or not.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

I'd ban all religious crackpots from teaching

Agreed and I'd get them to do their religion teaching after hours
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 06, 2022, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

I'd ban all religious crackpots from teaching

Teaching is full of them. Many are completely unemployable in everyday life so teaching and the CS are a natural home.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on September 06, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
Why is a school not part of everyday life ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 07, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 06, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
Why is a school not part of everyday life ?

It operates in a complete bubble. It even has it's own dedicated University in the North.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Last Man on September 07, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

I'd ban all religious crackpots from teaching
I'd include banning of any particular ideology from schools/education. Let young ones make up their minds when they have actually learned something.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 07, 2022, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: Last Man on September 07, 2022, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2022, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Itchy on September 06, 2022, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 06, 2022, 09:38:05 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_family_(Castlebar))

Explains a lot....

Thanks.

And yet someone hired this crackpot as a teacher in their school

I'd ban all religious crackpots from teaching
I'd include banning of any particular ideology from schools/education. Let young ones make up their minds when they have actually learned something.

Coláiste Feirste be fecked
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on September 07, 2022, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 07, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 06, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
Why is a school not part of everyday life ?

It operates in a complete bubble. It even has it's own dedicated University in the North.

Explain bubble
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on September 10, 2022, 12:05:56 PM
Are we getting off or what?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2022, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on September 10, 2022, 12:05:56 PM
Are we getting off or what?

I know the prod schools are, works out well as I'm was taking that day off now I'll just put in back on leave planner! Though I'll be off with her, not all good

The flegs were going up nearby, only sticking them halfway up the lamppost though..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on September 10, 2022, 01:50:28 PM
What day tho?? It's not set yet. Monday week was favourite but hear them talking about 10 days from today which ain't Monday
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on September 10, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Should be two days off. One for funeral and one for coronation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Silver hill on September 10, 2022, 03:23:03 PM
Sept 19th I think?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 10, 2022, 03:40:15 PM
My wife is a teacher and the day before yesterday one of the weans complained about having a wile headache, so she sent him up to the nurse so she could have a look at him. Anyway off he goes up the hallway hoping and skipping just delighted to get out of class. Not a thing wrong with him

So yesterday another wee boy complained that he had a headache too. So thinking he was only goofing around told him.to go back to his desk. Two minutes later he pukes his ring up.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 10, 2022, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 07, 2022, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 07, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 06, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
Why is a school not part of everyday life ?

It operates in a complete bubble. It even has it's own dedicated University in the North.

Explain bubble

Not in contact with everyday life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on September 11, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 10, 2022, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 07, 2022, 01:21:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 07, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 06, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
Why is a school not part of everyday life ?

It operates in a complete bubble. It even has it's own dedicated University in the North.

Explain bubble

Not in contact with everyday life.

what is everyday life?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on September 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
Any schools in the 6 counties taking next Monday off ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wolfetones on September 12, 2022, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
Any schools in the 6 counties taking next Monday off ?

A lot will have no choice but to close if there is no bus transport or canteen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 13, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
Our local school is closed. The decision released via a carefully worded statement that managed not to mention the Queen.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2022, 10:06:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 13, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
Our local school is closed. The decision released via a carefully worded statement that managed not to mention the Queen.

It happens funnily enough on both sides, parents complaining about their kids school closed on St Patrick's day.. People will just complain because they they like to complain...

There was a guy complaining about his local school closing and he doesn't even have kids!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on September 13, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2022, 10:06:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 13, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
Our local school is closed. The decision released via a carefully worded statement that managed not to mention the Queen.

It happens funnily enough on both sides, parents complaining about their kids school closed on St Patrick's day.. People will just complain because they they like to complain...

There was a guy complaining about his local school closing and he doesn't even have kids!!

Class  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on September 13, 2022, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 13, 2022, 10:06:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 13, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
Our local school is closed. The decision released via a carefully worded statement that managed not to mention the Queen.

It happens funnily enough on both sides, parents complaining about their kids school closed on St Patrick's day.. People will just complain because they they like to complain...

There was a guy complaining about his local school closing and he doesn't even have kids!!

Maybe he was just a pervert.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on September 13, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
Any schools in the 6 counties taking next Monday off ?

Closing ?
Play the smart game.
No buses means you will have less pupils in .

Handy wee day and then take the day somewhere else In the year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 13, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: FermGael on September 13, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
Any schools in the 6 counties taking next Monday off ?

Closing ?
Play the smart game.
No buses means you will have less pupils in .

Handy wee day and then take the day somewhere else In the year.

Fewer pupils, sir.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on September 13, 2022, 11:21:56 PM
Schools announcing closing left right and centre today.
Any schools holding out ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on September 13, 2022, 11:41:06 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on September 13, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: FermGael on September 13, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on September 12, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
Any schools in the 6 counties taking next Monday off ?

Closing ?
Play the smart game.
No buses means you will have less pupils in .

Handy wee day and then take the day somewhere else In the year.

Fewer pupils, sir.

Spotted the deliberate mistake..
🌟🌟🌟
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 25, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
With the world cup on and Christmas round the corner it's going to be a busy few weeks ......
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on November 25, 2022, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
With the world cup on and Christmas round the corner it's going to be a busy few weeks ......

All about connecting to bbc Iplayer  and  itv player on the classroom smart board
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 25, 2022, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on November 25, 2022, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 25, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
With the world cup on and Christmas round the corner it's going to be a busy few weeks ......

All about connecting to bbc Iplayer  and  itv player on the classroom smart board
Never mind the new smart touch TVs
Some job
Surround sound as well
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on November 25, 2022, 10:41:19 PM
Jaysus, have ye actually figured out how to connect your laptops to projectors? Must be the croke park hours training finally delivering.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on November 25, 2022, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 25, 2022, 10:41:19 PM
Jaysus, have ye actually figured out how to connect your laptops to projectors? Must be the croke park hours training finally delivering.

Lookit. Sure its a great thing altogether., a game in the morning, one in the afternoon and home in time for the third kick off. Sure  its hard to bate. Ps mainly  smart boards these days
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 25, 2022, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 25, 2022, 10:41:19 PM
Jaysus, have ye actually figured out how to connect your laptops to projectors? Must be the croke park hours training finally delivering.

Projectors???
Laptops ???

You are bringing back memories of  circa 2014

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
Any good alternatives for Elf? The natives are getting restless, especially the A-Level ones who have been watching it since Hallowe'en.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 26, 2022, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 25, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
Any good alternatives for Elf? The natives are getting restless, especially the A-Level ones who have been watching it since Hallowe'en.

Bad Santa ??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 26, 2022, 12:31:01 AM
they could learn the words to "hey santa claus ya c*nt"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on November 26, 2022, 07:11:51 AM
ITV player wouldn't work for me this week ffs. BBC player working fine! The wee lads in my class are absolutely obsessed with the World Cup but they were all supporting England in the first game. I had to explain we don't like England winning.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2022, 08:45:47 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 26, 2022, 07:11:51 AM
ITV player wouldn't work for me this week ffs. BBC player working fine! The wee lads in my class are absolutely obsessed with the World Cup but they were all supporting England in the first game. I had to explain we don't like England winning.

You need to adjust settings to let it know you are in the UK or download the STV app. ITV player have changed too
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on November 26, 2022, 09:43:58 AM
Microsoft Edge works best.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 26, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 26, 2022, 07:11:51 AM
ITV player wouldn't work for me this week ffs. BBC player working fine! The wee lads in my class are absolutely obsessed with the World Cup but they were all supporting England in the first game. I had to explain we don't like England winning.
The most important lesson you can give in school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
Home Alone 1 or 2?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: johnnycool on December 14, 2022, 12:20:45 PM
the Griswalds family christmas vacation.

Something for everyone in that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: smort on December 14, 2022, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
Home Alone 1 or 2?

2

Its 10mins longer
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 14, 2022, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
Home Alone 1 or 2?

Add 3 for the all day marathon
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 14, 2022, 07:40:15 PM
In until next Thursday. Bad times indeed. Only 13 days off compared to the 19 I think I got last year.

The kids did a vote on what film to watch tomorrow. I said to them "f**k it, let's watch them all"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: laoislad on December 14, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 14, 2022, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
Home Alone 1 or 2?

Add 3 for the all day marathon
The only Marathon teachers would know anything about the lazy fucks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on December 14, 2022, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

"mental health" ffs, the most over used phrase out there
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 09:18:19 PM
Whoever came up with the Golden Time idea in some education meeting somewhere needs a statue erected in his /her honour. A legend amongst teachers !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 14, 2022, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 14, 2022, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: FermGael on December 14, 2022, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
Home Alone 1 or 2?

Add 3 for the all day marathon
The only Marathon teachers would know anything about the lazy fucks.

Never quite the same when they changed the name to Snickers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 15, 2022, 06:48:12 AM
We haven't been outside because of the ice and snow at all this week, neither for break or lunch. Therefore, we can start our breaks and lunches as early as we want. Great times.

But in all truth, kids being kept inside all day is a nightmare!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 15, 2022, 07:36:20 AM
Depending on how bad the weekend was, fun Mondays are handy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Turf on December 15, 2022, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
There was a time that if you didn't do your school work you'd get a book thrown at your head, now the teachers are wrapping the kids in cotton wool, not preparing them for real life once they leave school.
Is it any wonder anyone under the age of 30 now is a over sensitive woke snowflake, afraid of a hard days work and think everything should be handed to them rather than work hard to get it.
I think everyone should do 12 months in the military after their leaving cert, that would sort them out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on December 15, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Turf on December 15, 2022, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
There was a time that if you didn't do your school work you'd get a book thrown at your head, now the teachers are wrapping the kids in cotton wool, not preparing them for real life once they leave school.
Is it any wonder anyone under the age of 30 now is a over sensitive woke snowflake, afraid of a hard days work and think everything should be handed to them rather than work hard to get it.
I think everyone should do 12 months in the military after their leaving cert, that would sort them out.

They absolutely are preparing them for the real world. Long gone are the days when you could comment on a ladies breasts or give her a friendly slap on the arse.  Likewise making fun of someone because of their physical appearance will land you in a meeting with HR. This is the new world.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 08:54:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 15, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Turf on December 15, 2022, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
There was a time that if you didn't do your school work you'd get a book thrown at your head, now the teachers are wrapping the kids in cotton wool, not preparing them for real life once they leave school.
Is it any wonder anyone under the age of 30 now is a over sensitive woke snowflake, afraid of a hard days work and think everything should be handed to them rather than work hard to get it.
I think everyone should do 12 months in the military after their leaving cert, that would sort them out.

They absolutely are preparing them for the real world. Long gone are the days when you could comment on a ladies breasts or give her a friendly slap on the arse.  Likewise making fun of someone because of their physical appearance will land you in a meeting with HR. This is the new world.

Teachers being landed into HR - are you having a laugh. More chance of them landing in an alien planet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 15, 2022, 09:06:50 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 15, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Turf on December 15, 2022, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
There was a time that if you didn't do your school work you'd get a book thrown at your head, now the teachers are wrapping the kids in cotton wool, not preparing them for real life once they leave school.
Is it any wonder anyone under the age of 30 now is a over sensitive woke snowflake, afraid of a hard days work and think everything should be handed to them rather than work hard to get it.
I think everyone should do 12 months in the military after their leaving cert, that would sort them out.

They absolutely are preparing them for the real world. Long gone are the days when you could comment on a ladies breasts or give her a friendly slap on the arse.  Likewise making fun of someone because of their physical appearance will land you in a meeting with HR. This is the new world.

Well this threads took a turn
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on December 15, 2022, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 15, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
Quote from: Turf on December 15, 2022, 07:59:16 AM
Quote from: Itchy on December 15, 2022, 07:22:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2022, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 14, 2022, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 14, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 14, 2022, 12:36:40 PM
Is watching movies in school still a thing at the end of term?

In my kids school you can watch movies in class on a Friday as the teacher has a "fun Friday" break so no need to wait until end of term

It's called Golden Time and it's very important for the pupils mental health.

So thoughtful of the teacher, I feel so bad as I thought she was just a lazy git who didn't want to work on Fridays.

We have golden time every Friday at 2.30-3.00. The children love it and so do I. I'm unstoppable in the weekly football match!

I think your school clearly doesn't think as much about the kids as mine. For example fun Friday with the teacher I'm talking about lasts from 9-30 to 4pm - so that's really caring. Another caring teacher give the results to exam questions to all her pupils (including mocks) so that pupil stress levels stay low. Is there a national teacher of the year award that they could be nominated for?
There was a time that if you didn't do your school work you'd get a book thrown at your head, now the teachers are wrapping the kids in cotton wool, not preparing them for real life once they leave school.
Is it any wonder anyone under the age of 30 now is a over sensitive woke snowflake, afraid of a hard days work and think everything should be handed to them rather than work hard to get it.
I think everyone should do 12 months in the military after their leaving cert, that would sort them out.

They absolutely are preparing them for the real world. Long gone are the days when you could comment on a ladies breasts or give her a friendly slap on the arse.  Likewise making fun of someone because of their physical appearance will land you in a meeting with HR. This is the new world.
Countries couped!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on December 15, 2022, 09:39:52 AM
On a related note to teachers I see your man Enoch isn't getting out. The man is bonkers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on December 15, 2022, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2022, 09:39:52 AM
On a related note to teachers I see your man Enoch isn't getting out. The man is bonkers.

Teaching is full of weirdos. Even Teachers would admit that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 15, 2022, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 15, 2022, 09:39:52 AM
On a related note to teachers I see your man Enoch isn't getting out. The man is bonkers.
easy to spot who was home schooled in a fundamentalist christian household
anyway, all the money the family are receiving from america for his legal costs is probably helping to drag this out
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 18, 2022, 12:41:29 AM
Ye'd hope next week will be alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on December 18, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 18, 2022, 12:41:29 AM
Ye'd hope next week will be alright.

Those half days are a pain....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 18, 2022, 01:04:55 PM
Making room on my table tomorrow for the bottles of wine and the toiletries that are due in this week ..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 06:50:15 PM
Who needs teachers when you have ChatGPT.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on January 02, 2023, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 06:50:15 PM
Who needs teachers when you have ChatGPT.

lesson plans and schemes of work sorted for ever more jammy hoors
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 06:58:43 PM
I just asked it to write me a 2-act comedy. It did.

Originality is going to be harder to spot now.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 02, 2023, 07:08:47 PM
As if the job wasn't handy enough with no prospect of being examined due to the industrial action 😂😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 07:11:37 PM
Marks essays for ye an all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 02, 2023, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 07:11:37 PM
Marks essays for ye an all.

Will it write end of term reports ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2023, 07:26:00 PM
I'd say so.

What if ChatGPT gives the student a better grade than I did? Then it's war.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 02, 2023, 07:57:25 PM
Assume we have Thursday off for the former big bosses funeral ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 05, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
Look at this w**ker, he should have been left in jail...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/teacher-enoch-burke-shows-up-at-school-after-christmas-break-in-defiance-of-court-order-42264412.html
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 05, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
I hope they start fining him now. He's only delighted to be in the limelight.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
The guy is completely bonkers and should not be let near anyone's children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 05, 2023, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
The guy is completely bonkers and should not be let near anyone's children.

He should be on a register. Difficult to understand how any institution gave him a job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 16, 2023, 07:35:32 PM
These ski trips are some job.
Good to have them back ....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 09:52:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

Me or Tony never put that up  ;D

But she does work outside of schools hours and at weekends on school stuff tbf.. She has bought paper to as when you go outside your budget you don't get anymore!

A lot of teachers don't get to do real teaching due to the crap that goes with it, its a results game now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 10:07:29 AM
It's always the same problem with teachers, years ago they were seen as "something" and think they should be paid like doctors & barristers. Now they are 10 a penny and pretty much anyone could have a lash at it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on January 18, 2023, 10:23:41 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.



As someone who worked in private sector for 20+ years before moving into the public sector I end up saying the above statement to myself on a regular basis.......dare'nt say it out loud as there would be a formal complaint put in against you and / or you would be taken up for bullying / harassment.  I appreciate some people in the public sector are not in great salaries but we were all in that position in the private sector, if we wanted to move up or move onwards you had to take matters in to your own hands.  People might think it sounds harsh but its reality.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thewobbler on January 18, 2023, 11:03:31 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 10:07:29 AM
It's always the same problem with teachers, years ago they were seen as "something" and think they should be paid like doctors & barristers. Now they are 10 a penny and pretty much anyone could have a lash at it.

You have this so inside out, it's surreal.

Teaching was never considered on a par with law or medicine. But it did provide a middle class income and as a result attracted its fair share of bright, focused and dedicated professionals. Those among them who emerged as what you describe as "something" in their community, didn't do so because they were teachers. They did so because they were leaders.

Teaching is now barely, if at all, a middle class income.

There are still (thankfully) plenty of people who have an inner vocational calling to educate, which for now allows parts of our schools system to function as we need. But as a career, it cannot be allowed to drop another notch in terms of viability. Either house prices and cost of living increases are curbed, or else an annual increase must be allowed for in their salaries. For if we don't, we won't have an education system. We will have private education for the rich, and substandard day care for the poor.

See careers in medicine and social care, fire service, police service, public service administration, key council workers, for the exact same story.

The sheer aloofness and shortsightedness of private sector employees to believe that they, their families and and communities can thrive without a strong public sector, is mindboggling. But hi that's the pursuit of material greed for you. Even though all one has to do is look at America and see what a fucked up place it is, and the exact model society should try to avoid. People still can't help it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

Are we talking about teachers or children here?

You'll find that litigation culture in all walks of life now unfortunately, not just teaching. Everyone is out for a quick payday everywhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on January 18, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
The thing is wobbler is bang on here.

What we should be striving for is a better lot for everyone.

We should be making teaching an attractive profession to be in because that way we will have a better overall system and therefore more and better educated kids leaving the system, going into society.

This should then result in more a innovative, creative and resilient private sector driving up the income to the average household and the Tax purse.

In turn we should also be striving for a better public service, so that as a society we are able to help those who need it, but also to have high quality public services in whatever sector it may be in.

Both are dependent on each other to ensure that we live in a better more equitable society for everyone.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

Are we talking about teachers or children here?

You'll find that litigation culture in all walks of life now unfortunately, not just teaching. Everyone is out for a quick payday everywhere.

Yeah, look its very simple to me, if you have actually worked in a profession its very difficult to know fully what's actually involved in it..

I couldn't tell you the inner workings of an accountant but sure he just punches numbers all day and makes a good living out sitting on his arse, or the lad thats coding for a tech company who does a lot of calculations on the computer from his bedroom

We all know that there is a lot more that goes onto those jobs and I didn't mean to pick of the nerds in this case  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 18, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
The thing is wobbler is bang on here.

What we should be striving for is a better lot for everyone.

We should be making teaching an attractive profession to be in because that way we will have a better overall system and therefore more and better educated kids leaving the system, going into society.

This should then result in more a innovative, creative and resilient private sector driving up the income to the average household and the Tax purse.

In turn we should also be striving for a better public service, so that as a society we are able to help those who need it, but also to have high quality public services in whatever sector it may be in.

Both are dependent on each other to ensure that we live in a better more equitable society for everyone.

I totally agree with this, except I would add one other thing. Pay and bonus based on performance. Useless teachers put on performance review and the possibility that they can be removed if poor performance does not improve. Then get the good teachers and absolutely reward them well for excellence. Of course, teachers would not support this would they. They want the extra pay, the improved conditions but with little to no strings attached.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on January 18, 2023, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:38:57 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on January 18, 2023, 11:59:10 AM
The thing is wobbler is bang on here.

What we should be striving for is a better lot for everyone.

We should be making teaching an attractive profession to be in because that way we will have a better overall system and therefore more and better educated kids leaving the system, going into society.

This should then result in more a innovative, creative and resilient private sector driving up the income to the average household and the Tax purse.

In turn we should also be striving for a better public service, so that as a society we are able to help those who need it, but also to have high quality public services in whatever sector it may be in.

Both are dependent on each other to ensure that we live in a better more equitable society for everyone.

I totally agree with this, except I would add one other thing. Pay and bonus based on performance. Useless teachers put on performance review and the possibility that they can be removed if poor performance does not improve. Then get the good teachers and absolutely reward them well for excellence. Of course, teachers would not support this would they. They want the extra pay, the improved conditions but with little to no strings attached.

That's the crux of it.  A good teacher (insert doctor/nurse etc etc) is a special thing and should be rewarded as such

I would consider myself pro-union, but their strength is also their achilles heel

Every demand is an 'across the board' one, so astronomical sums of money need to be spent to reward the useless along with the useful

Targeting of public money to those who deserve it is the order of the day

How this is done is difficult as it becomes a subjective decision, made by management

But it can be made to work

The evidence for this is that it works in the private sector every day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?

I taught for 12 years, I was looking after juvenile teams for longer, I'm just telling you that your statement of working with kids through sport and being a good teacher is a crock of shit.

Teaching something kids want to do is a million miles away from engaging with kids that are learning subjects that they don't want to do
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?

I taught for 12 years, I was looking after juvenile teams for longer, I'm just telling you that your statement of working with kids through sport and being a good teacher is a crock of shit.

Teaching something kids want to do is a million miles away from engaging with kids that are learning subjects that they don't want to do

You obviously didn't get on too good at the old teaching judging by your posts so maybe you're not the best judge.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?

I taught for 12 years, I was looking after juvenile teams for longer, I'm just telling you that your statement of working with kids through sport and being a good teacher is a crock of shit.

Teaching something kids want to do is a million miles away from engaging with kids that are learning subjects that they don't want to do

You obviously didn't get on too good at the old teaching judging by your posts so maybe you're not the best judge.

If that's the best you can come back with, my work here is done!!

Class, looking after kids at the club makes you a good teacher  ;D numpty  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?

I taught for 12 years, I was looking after juvenile teams for longer, I'm just telling you that your statement of working with kids through sport and being a good teacher is a crock of shit.

Teaching something kids want to do is a million miles away from engaging with kids that are learning subjects that they don't want to do

You obviously didn't get on too good at the old teaching judging by your posts so maybe you're not the best judge.

If that's the best you can come back with, my work here is done!!

Class, looking after kids at the club makes you a good teacher  ;D numpty  ;D

Not just my experience of coaching, I talked about passion, dedication. I'm also organised and have many other skills. You on the other hand you gave up, described the children in your care as "ungrateful shits" and I believe you are also a referee which likely means you are pretty intolerant and understand the world as being black and white. Not suitable for teaching children. I think you made a good decision to move onto something more suited to you
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 03:09:25 PM
Yeah keep digging that hole, news flash, kids can be ungrateful shits.

You say you are passionate, organised and dedicated, that's your own praise  ;D

Again you have no knowledge of my teaching so comment away

As for giving up, people change jobs, what century are you living in?  For me it was a no brainer

You are some lad all the same, these assumptions you come up with have no evidence whatsoever

And now all referees are intolerant!! Christ there is no end to your poop!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 03:17:04 PM
Ah lad, I'm only winding you up. I'm sure you are a top bloke and were a good teacher and are a tolerant referee to boot
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 18, 2023, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 03:00:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 02:35:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 09:53:00 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw (https://twitter.com/murphinyorks/status/1615240898060734465?s=48&t=y3-FqJ70olZfuuNdZV2-aw)

Awful lot of them have time to moan on Twitter on a Wednesday morning  ::)

All you can do is laugh at the self importance. Wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

I doubt you'd last 5 minutes either in a classroom..

Having done it, and my classes were small (up to 20) I'm glad I'm out of it, ungrateful shits who wanted everything handed to them, not all but the majority...

Heard a cracker the other day, kid went home during school, he fell in the play ground, father phoned in wanting to know was the playground gritted!! Christ, whole set of emails and alarms going off!! Wise up

I think I'd do ok actually. I've worked with kids through sport for many many years and like everything if you are committed to something and passionate about it you'll do a good job and get something out of it, as will the kids. There are of course many teachers who fall into that bracket but in my experience they are in the minority.

I've worked with juvenile teams from under 8's up to minor for many years, its night and day. Christ!! I've worked with kids and all of a sudden I can teach

I hope you don't really believe that crap you just posted?

Maybe you're just no good with kids. You made an assumption I wouldn't survive teaching, I don't agree. You'll never know though will you?

I taught for 12 years, I was looking after juvenile teams for longer, I'm just telling you that your statement of working with kids through sport and being a good teacher is a crock of shit.

Teaching something kids want to do is a million miles away from engaging with kids that are learning subjects that they don't want to do

You obviously didn't get on too good at the old teaching judging by your posts so maybe you're not the best judge.

If that's the best you can come back with, my work here is done!!

Class, looking after kids at the club makes you a good teacher  ;D numpty  ;D

Not just my experience of coaching, I talked about passion, dedication. I'm also organised and have many other skills. You on the other hand you gave up, described the children in your care as "ungrateful shits" and I believe you are also a referee which likely means you are pretty intolerant and understand the world as being black and white. Not suitable for teaching children. I think you made a good decision to move onto something more suited to you
;D ;D ;D🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 18, 2023, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 03:17:04 PM
Ah lad, I'm only winding you up. I'm sure you are a top bloke and were a good teacher and are a tolerant referee to boot

Teacher and a Ref = absolute power trip merchant.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 18, 2023, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 18, 2023, 03:39:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2023, 03:17:04 PM
Ah lad, I'm only winding you up. I'm sure you are a top bloke and were a good teacher and are a tolerant referee to boot

Teacher and a Ref = absolute power trip merchant.

Haven't taught in years!!! Mugs game  ;D

We didn't have ref's we wouldn't have games ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2023, 01:06:32 PM
The Enoch Burke show just keeps on rolling. Brought his mammy with him to his disciplinary hearing. Predictable shouting and roaring, guards called.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2023, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 19, 2023, 01:06:32 PM
The Enoch Burke show just keeps on rolling. Brought his mammy with him to his disciplinary hearing. Predictable shouting and roaring, guards called.

When you see the Mammy you know the poor lad never had a chance
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 19, 2023, 06:37:45 PM
https://twitter.com/shanephelanindo/status/1616043742686765063?t=8BytCRhLwfKB0aQ4F6KLYw&s=19

What a bunch of crazies, if I was a guard I'd draw my baton and bate them out the door the annoying fucks.

It just shows you anyone can become a teacher, even me and milltown
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on January 19, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?

Employees 7.5 to 11% based on income
Employers  23.68% !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 19, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?

Employees 7.5 to 11% based on income
Employers  23.68% !
Teachers have a lot to moan about alright.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 19, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?

Employees 7.5 to 11% based on income
Employers  23.68% !
Teachers have a lot to moan about alright.

Hopefully she makes it to pension age
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 19, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?

Employees 7.5 to 11% based on income
Employers  23.68% !
Teachers have a lot to moan about alright.

Hopefully she makes it to pension age
True. My missus only does 3 days a week so she'll have to get a part-time job to cover the difference.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 09:06:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 19, 2023, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 18, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
What's the employer contribution (the tax payer) for teacher pensions in the 6 counties ? 4/5 times the employee contribution ?

Employees 7.5 to 11% based on income
Employers  23.68% !
Teachers have a lot to moan about alright.

Hopefully she makes it to pension age
True. My missus only does 3 days a week so she'll have to get a part-time job to cover the difference.

There's no way she's going back to that malarkey lol!! When the kids were at primary but that changed once I got them a key for the house 😂
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2023, 07:58:55 PM
Enoch Burke formally dismissed.

I'm sure the next dose of frivolous legal action is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 20, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.
Will have multitude of offers from private schools in the US.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.

Not so sure. Also don't think this boy will be letting up in a hurry either.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.

Not so sure. Also don't think this boy will be letting up in a hurry either.

No school in Ireland will touch him. There'll be court cases for years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 09:14:12 PM
He would have been granted the injunction if he had stayed away from the school. What a gobshite.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 20, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.

Not so sure. Also don't think this boy will be letting up in a hurry either.

No school in Ireland will touch him. There'll be court cases for years.

Don't be so sure of that. Where the church is involved they'll find a spot for him.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gerrykeegan on January 21, 2023, 07:56:22 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.

Not so sure. Also don't think this boy will be letting up in a hurry either.

No school in Ireland will touch him. There'll be court cases for years.

Don't be so sure of that. Where the church is involved they'll find a spot for him.
Not a chance, what board og management would risk seeing that happen on their watch. Think of the cost so far for Wilson's. Must be close to a million. Schools are run on a shoe string despite the churches assets
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 21, 2023, 08:41:36 AM
Half day strike action  looming after mid term. Power to the people
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 21, 2023, 08:54:57 AM
Burke just lost his job. The original complaint was Overwhelmed by nonsense. It is not clear what his point was. He could have got an injunction by staying away from the school.  It looks like his mother is some kind of narcissist who controls them all. This case has drawn national attention to the family. His career is probably ruined for nothing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 21, 2023, 11:20:37 AM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on January 21, 2023, 07:56:22 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 20, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:48:12 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 20, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
If there is anything that disbars a person from teaching then it should be exercised here.  Insane. You wouldn't want this boy anywhere near your children.

Be subbing on Monday. They're scarce.

Not so sure. Also don't think this boy will be letting up in a hurry either.

No school in Ireland will touch him. There'll be court cases for years.

Don't be so sure of that. Where the church is involved they'll find a spot for him.
Not a chance, what board og management would risk seeing that happen on their watch. Think of the cost so far for Wilson's. Must be close to a million. Schools are run on a shoe string despite the churches assets

Gerry, you are in the North? I don't think you realise what's going on in the south. Nothing would surprise me. However, I imagine there will be right wing loon money coming from the US so he probably doesn't need to work anyway.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
What did this lad actually do? Havent been following it at all tbh.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
What did this lad actually do? Havent been following it at all tbh.

A pupil wanted to use different pronouns. Teacher said no as it was against his religion as a Christian. They suspended him and barred him from school. He turned up to work wanting to continue teaching so they did the completely proportionate non-hysterical thing and put him in prison.

Who'd want to be a teacher now
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 21, 2023, 12:48:52 PM
Hmmm that post may not entirely be accurate.

He went out of his way to not use the pronoun thing with a pupil he did not teach. Then there's the contempt of court, then there's the continuing turning up at the school and there's much more.

Whatever you think about the pronoun stuff this guy is not fit to be near children. Check out his family history on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
What did this lad actually do? Havent been following it at all tbh.

A pupil wanted to use different pronouns. Teacher said no as it was against his religion as a Christian. They suspended him and barred him from school. He turned up to work wanting to continue teaching so they did the completely proportionate non-hysterical thing and put him in prison.

Who'd want to be a teacher now
Surely there is more to it that that! Christ the night.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 21, 2023, 12:57:42 PM
There is way more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 21, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 21, 2023, 12:57:42 PM
There is way more.
It's like simplifying the troubles to a minor disagreement.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 21, 2023, 01:14:31 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 01:19:52 PM
He was sent to prison for contempt of court because he turned up at work, breaking a restraining order (!) that was placed on him for refusing to comply with the child's new pronouns.

This week it looks like he was going to be granted an injunction against disciplinary action from the school but it fell through because he wouldn't accept the restraining order.


If I've missed anything feel free to fill in the blanks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 21, 2023, 01:29:44 PM
He was jailed for breaking a court order.

The reason a court order was needed was because he firstly refused to follow the schools instruction on how to deal with a pupil. Then when the school took action to put him on paid leave as a result, he refused to be suspended and kept turning up. He then proceeded to confront the principle at a public event and berate her. He then continued to turn up at the school so the school had to get a court order to try and keep him away. He still decided he would ignore the will of the court and was lifted and jailed.

Regardless of what you think of his initial decision (And I still think he was a tw*t for that) his decision to continually ignore the law landed him in jail. Best of luck to him. Destroyed his career, which from what I've seen is a blessing as I would hate to think he was teaching my kid!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 01:41:07 PM
Sounds like the school are a bunch of wankers too. Fecking pronouns the world has gone mad
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 21, 2023, 01:51:16 PM
The school is grand. And pronouns are the reason the world has gone mad? Seriously?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on January 21, 2023, 01:53:33 PM
As I said, regardless of the initial decision, Burke can have no complaints about being where he is.

I think his stance was absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 21, 2023, 02:11:37 PM
Yeah this. The unraveling of this case has shown this fella to have significant issues. It is far from over too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
What did this lad actually do? Havent been following it at all tbh.

A pupil wanted to use different pronouns. Teacher said no as it was against his religion as a Christian. They suspended him and barred him from school. He turned up to work wanting to continue teaching so they did the completely proportionate non-hysterical thing and put him in prison.

Who'd want to be a teacher now

Incorrect about ten times over. Back to school for you.

Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 01:19:52 PM
He was sent to prison for contempt of court because he turned up at work, breaking a restraining order (!) that was placed on him for refusing to comply with the child's new pronouns.

This week it looks like he was going to be granted an injunction against disciplinary action from the school but it fell through because he wouldn't accept the restraining order.


If I've missed anything feel free to fill in the blanks.

Again, incorrect. It's a big fat F for you.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
What did this lad actually do? Havent been following it at all tbh.

A pupil wanted to use different pronouns. Teacher said no as it was against his religion as a Christian. They suspended him and barred him from school. He turned up to work wanting to continue teaching so they did the completely proportionate non-hysterical thing and put him in prison.

Who'd want to be a teacher now

Incorrect about ten times over. Back to school for you.

Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2023, 01:19:52 PM
He was sent to prison for contempt of court because he turned up at work, breaking a restraining order (!) that was placed on him for refusing to comply with the child's new pronouns.

This week it looks like he was going to be granted an injunction against disciplinary action from the school but it fell through because he wouldn't accept the restraining order.


If I've missed anything feel free to fill in the blanks.

Again, incorrect. It's a big fat F for you.

Willing to be corrected if any of that is wrong.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
It's already been done. Failing reading as well as history.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
It's already been done. Failing reading as well as history.
When?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 21, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
He was put on paid leave because he harassed the principal at a school function and then chased her around the school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 21, 2023, 07:30:42 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 21, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
He was put on paid leave because he harassed the principal at a school function and then chased her around the school.
Probably not the sort of boy you want teaching then tbf.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on January 21, 2023, 07:42:54 PM
He looks like a right useless, thaveless c**t
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 22, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 21, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
He was put on paid leave because he harassed the principal at a school function and then chased her around the school.
She subsequently left and returned to Cork where she was from.
The new principal didn't take any sh1t from him

Anyway, I expect an appeal within 10 school days and the BOM will be in trouble due to proper procedure not being followed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 22, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 21, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
He was put on paid leave because he harassed the principal at a school function and then chased her around the school.
She subsequently left and returned to Cork where she was from.
The new principal didn't take any sh1t from him

Anyway, I expect an appeal within 10 school days and the BOM will be in trouble due to proper procedure not being followed.

In what way was proper procedure not followed?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 22, 2023, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 22, 2023, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 22, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 21, 2023, 07:29:18 PM
He was put on paid leave because he harassed the principal at a school function and then chased her around the school.
She subsequently left and returned to Cork where she was from.
The new principal didn't take any sh1t from him

Anyway, I expect an appeal within 10 school days and the BOM will be in trouble due to proper procedure not being followed.

In what way was proper procedure not followed?
There a number of steps that should be followed when dealing with staff issues - the big issue for him is that he was in prison when he should have been available to engage with disciplinary process.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
The Burkes tore the arse out of it

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/17/enoch-burke-opposes-schools-nefarious-move-to-fine-him-over-contempt-orders/

Teacher Enoch Burke will only get an injunction preventing a school going ahead with a disciplinary hearing against him on Thursday if he agrees to stay away from the school in compliance with court orders, a High Court judge has ruled.
Mr Justice Conor Dignam has listed the matter before him on Wednesday morning to see if Mr Burke will comply.*
The judge ruled on Tuesday that Mr Burke had made out a strong case for injunctions likely to succeed at trial arising from aspects of the conduct of Wilson's Hospital School in the disciplinary process to date.
However, while Mr Burke satisfied the first test for an injunction, in that he had made out a strong case, the balance of justice was tipped in favour of refusing the injunction by his stated intention to continue to breach the orders to stay away from the school, the judge said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2023/01/22/concern-among-teachers-unions-over-handling-of-enoch-burkes-dismissal/

The handling of the Enoch Burke case has caused some concern with teacher unions over aspects of how the case was managed and the grounds on which he was dismissed.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 23, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
The Burkes tore the arse out of it

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/17/enoch-burke-opposes-schools-nefarious-move-to-fine-him-over-contempt-orders/

Teacher Enoch Burke will only get an injunction preventing a school going ahead with a disciplinary hearing against him on Thursday if he agrees to stay away from the school in compliance with court orders, a High Court judge has ruled.
Mr Justice Conor Dignam has listed the matter before him on Wednesday morning to see if Mr Burke will comply.*
The judge ruled on Tuesday that Mr Burke had made out a strong case for injunctions likely to succeed at trial arising from aspects of the conduct of Wilson's Hospital School in the disciplinary process to date.
However, while Mr Burke satisfied the first test for an injunction, in that he had made out a strong case, the balance of justice was tipped in favour of refusing the injunction by his stated intention to continue to breach the orders to stay away from the school, the judge said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2023/01/22/concern-among-teachers-unions-over-handling-of-enoch-burkes-dismissal/

The handling of the Enoch Burke case has caused some concern with teacher unions over aspects of how the case was managed and the grounds on which he was dismissed.

Yes indeed, these wankers never concerned with the kids, only protecting the incompetent and useless.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 23, 2023, 01:20:31 PM
He probably should have just accepted the terms for the injunction. It would have been a huge win for him to get that from the court.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 23, 2023, 02:44:12 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2023/01/21/department-has-placed-school-boards-in-an-impossible-position/

Department has placed school boards in an impossible position
A poisoned chalice when school management becomes challenging and high profile
Sat Jan 21 2023 - 00:10

Sir, – Reflecting on the Wilson Hospital School and Enoch Burke case, there is one thing that is notable and frustrating for me, as a school principal and a volunteer on a school board of management. It is the legal relationship between the school and the teacher, and the complete absence of the Department of Education.

Since boards of management were introduced in our primary schools in 1975, we have the ludicrous arrangement where the Department of Education pays a teacher's salary, and as if by magic is not the employer. The department is never troubled by recruitment, contracts, disciplinary or dismissal cases. That duty falls to the volunteers on the board of management of the school.

Volunteers can only be commended for serving on boards of management and for donating their time so generously and free of charge, all in the interest of the students and communities that they serve.

However, this is a poisoned chalice when school management becomes challenging and high profile, as in this case. The Department of Education will boast in their publications of how board "volunteers have individually and collectively enriched and contributed to the management and operation of our primary schools". Yet officials are in absentia when difficult hearings and decisions arise, offering no presence or support, leaving board of management volunteers to dissect Department of Education circulars for nuances, and the finer procedural details, and ultimately reaching out to engage legal firms.

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Why do we volunteer for boards of management? I wonder if the chairperson who volunteered for a term in the Wilson Hospital School ever imagined that their name would be in every corner of the media this week?

I wonder again, why do we volunteer? Well maybe we should stop, and let the Department of Education, once and for all, step up to their role in Irish education, and become the employer of State teachers, and the manager of schools. While they are at it, they should also become the patron body for all schools and relieve the religious bodies of their agenda, given that the State through the Department of Education finances the running of schools anyhow.

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The Department of Education has placed itself in the incredible position where it pumps money into schools and education, yet cunningly shirks responsibility in key areas of education, by placing it conveniently away from them, into the distant hands of volunteers and religious bodies.

Time for education reform, which will take decades. We need a long-term policy of change, with a commitment that it will remain untouched through government changeovers and new Ministers. – Yours, etc,

DERMOT STANLEY,

Dublin 12.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)
Parents to blame.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 23, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)

It / Them / They / Us / Things
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2023, 08:49:54 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)
Parents to blame.
Surely there is something taught in the bible about acceptance of others and tolerance?

Maybe only some versions of that work of fiction have that section
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)

It / Them / They / Us / Things
Mental illness
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 10:05:43 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html)

This boy has serious issues.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: keep her low this half on January 24, 2023, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 10:05:43 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html)

This boy has serious issues.

He certainly does and he will (probably) never work again as a teacher, would anyone employ him?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 24, 2023, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on January 24, 2023, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 10:05:43 AM
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/enoch-burke-turns-up-at-school-days-after-being-dismissed-from-teaching-post-following-disciplinary-meeting-42309872.html)

This boy has serious issues.

He certainly does and he will (probably) never work again as a teacher, would anyone employ him?

Scary
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 24, 2023, 02:54:04 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0124/1350483-enoch-burke/

Enoch Burke has attended Wilson's Hospital School in Co Westmeath this morning, despite being dismissed from his position at the school last Friday.

He later left the school in Multyfarnham in a garda car and this afternoon was driven away from Mullingar Garda Station by his father.

Gardaí arrived at the school at 11.15am and left at 12.41pm, with Mr Burke in the back of the unmarked car.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
In other news...

he's back at the school after having been arrested by gardai and released.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: knockitdown on January 24, 2023, 03:38:22 PM
Is is da as bad? Driving him into the school this morning. What is he thinking!?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 24, 2023, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2023, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2023, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 09:30:38 AM
This is a case of two people with mental health issues meeting and the fall out being splashed all over the media.

Yeah - this is definitely the students fault  ::)

It / Them / They / Us / Things
Mental illness

That poster definitely has something wrong with them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2023, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
In other news...

he's back at the school after having been arrested by gardai and released.

(https://img.rasset.ie/001d3dda-800.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on January 24, 2023, 04:15:05 PM
Looks like some sort of publicity campaign
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2023, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
In other news...

he's back at the school after having been arrested by gardai and released.

(https://img.rasset.ie/001d3dda-800.jpg)

He's like some sort of non giving up school guy.

https://youtu.be/7dRUh5Z_QRQ (https://youtu.be/7dRUh5Z_QRQ)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: keep her low this half on January 24, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on January 24, 2023, 03:38:22 PM
Is is da as bad? Driving him into the school this morning. What is he thinking!?

That they are doing the will of God! when it comes to a choice between Gods law and mans law one must always follow Gods law, etc,etc. Born again Christians are the most unchristian people on the planet!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: mrdeeds on January 24, 2023, 05:14:57 PM
I love the way he has the bag with him even though he's not going to be teaching. Must have suduko and the lunch in it. Hardly resources.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on January 24, 2023, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 24, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2023, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 24, 2023, 03:16:36 PM
In other news...

he's back at the school after having been arrested by gardai and released.

(https://img.rasset.ie/001d3dda-800.jpg)

He's like some sort of non giving up school guy.

https://youtu.be/7dRUh5Z_QRQ (https://youtu.be/7dRUh5Z_QRQ)

Someone should give this guy the hammering he so richly deserves, wasting gardai time, wasting principals time and no doubt upsetting children. A cretin.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2023, 06:24:33 PM
Staged like an album cover. Self-pitying gobsh1te. He needs to get a job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on January 24, 2023, 09:47:46 PM
Mr Bliss should know better than to belittle people because of their ways!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm7CSMYXkAAW_KV?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2023, 10:29:45 PM
And you wonder how the Nazis got started with indoctrination.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 25, 2023, 07:46:50 AM
He can appeal within 10 days. He had a good chance of getting an injunction if he stopped going to the school but he can't stop himself.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 25, 2023, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 24, 2023, 09:47:46 PM
Mr Bliss should know better than to belittle people because of their ways!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm7CSMYXkAAW_KV?format=jpg&name=small)

Ironically showing traits of toxic masculinity there.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 25, 2023, 09:09:40 AM
Maybe the media need to ignore him


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/25/the-stats-dont-lie-old-mantra-of-league-only-being-the-league-is-fading/

Enoch Burke has again arrived at Wilson's Hospital School on Wednesday morning, following his arrest by gardaí on Tuesday on the school premises under public order legislation.
The teacher on Tuesday had returned to the school after being taken to Mullingar Garda station. He was denied entry to the grounds by principal Frank Milling at that time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 25, 2023, 09:15:29 AM
The behaviour of a man not well in the head.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on January 25, 2023, 09:39:25 AM
He needs locked up somewhere - probably not jail but some other form of institution. If your kid(s) was there you'd be seriously thinking about taking them out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: keep her low this half on January 25, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 25, 2023, 09:39:25 AM
He needs locked up somewhere - probably not jail but some other form of institution. If your kid(s) was there you'd be seriously thinking about taking them out.
You would be seriously thinking of giving that header a boot in the hole, disrupting the school for months, me me me, selfish p***k.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 26, 2023, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.
EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on January 26, 2023, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.

Half day strike by all accounts.
Teachers that lazy they can't even be arsed striking for the full day.
Can't see me getting 18 holes squeezed in by 12.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2023, 07:25:49 AM
Some teachers  cursing their luck  cos Tuesday's not their breaktine duty day
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2023, 07:28:12 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 26, 2023, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.

Half day strike by all accounts.
Teachers that lazy they can't even be arsed striking for the full day.
Can't see me getting 18 holes squeezed in by 12.

Finish the round cos there'll hardly be any pupils coming in after 12  anyway !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 26, 2023, 07:29:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 26, 2023, 12:03:17 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.
EXACTLY!


Tony hates teachers !!!



Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on January 26, 2023, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 26, 2023, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.

Half day strike by all accounts.
Teachers that lazy they can't even be arsed striking for the full day.
Can't see me getting 18 holes squeezed in by 12.

Teachers in the North want to get out of School and poor Enoch wants to get in! You can't keep them happy!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2023, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.

Be some go fund me page set up and the amount of looneys out there will pay that every day he's there.. Chickenfeed
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Dougal Maguire on January 26, 2023, 02:59:13 PM
I was checking his Twitter. It seems they're a family of protesters. I'd love to know who's bankrolling it all
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: From the Bunker on January 26, 2023, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.

Judge would need to go back to school with that sort of Maths!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 26, 2023, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2023, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.

Judge would need to go back to school with that sort of Maths!
7*700 is €4900? Or is it only applying tk week days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 26, 2023, 06:58:31 PM
Any truth to the skibbereen story?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 26, 2023, 07:22:51 PM
give your head a shake FFS
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on January 26, 2023, 07:34:26 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 26, 2023, 07:22:51 PM
give your head a shake FFS

I would, but a friend who is a teacher in the greater belfast area had a very similar story in their school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 26, 2023, 07:37:32 PM
Use your brain man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2023, 08:56:07 PM
Wife was saying half term coming up in a couple weeks! #neverin
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on January 26, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 26, 2023, 06:58:31 PM
Any truth to the skibbereen story?
Any details?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 27, 2023, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2023, 11:14:21 PM
Can't believe teachers are striking again. They wouldn't know a hard day's work. I suppose they're looking more money for their summer holidays in the Algarve for 3 months.

Would be well deserved
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on January 27, 2023, 03:03:21 PM
Sitting in their houses at 3.30 every day. They don't even mark books any more.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on January 27, 2023, 08:50:39 PM
And homework on the verge of being scrapped too .....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on January 27, 2023, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 27, 2023, 08:50:39 PM
And homework on the verge of being scrapped too .....

Algebra first, couldn't grasp it the first time 'round, and I've wains looking help 30 years later, brutal craic
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on January 28, 2023, 11:00:07 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 27, 2023, 08:50:39 PM
And homework on the verge of being scrapped too .....

Homework is only helpful it it is useful. Schools produce homework timetables and teachers feel pressured to give homework because it's their day. That end sup in homework being given for homework's sake and isnt productive or useful.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on February 10, 2023, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 26, 2023, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2023, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.

Judge would need to go back to school with that sort of Maths!
7*700 is €4900? Or is it only applying tk week days.
He is still going tomthe school and has racked up €9800 in fines
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 11, 2023, 07:25:03 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 10, 2023, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 26, 2023, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2023, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 26, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/01/26/enoch-burke-to-be-fined-700-daily-if-contempt-orders-to-stay-away-from-school-not-purged/

Dismissed teacher Enoch Burke will be fined €700 daily unless he purges his contempt of court orders to stay away from the Co Westmeath school where he taught for around four years, the High Court has ruled.

Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said Mr Burke is in clear contempt of the orders. He said Mr Burke has until 2pm on Friday to purge his contempt and if he does not, the fine will come into effect from then.

The fines, amounting to almost €5,000 a week, should persuade Mr Burke to end his "utterly pointless attendance at a school which does not want him on his property," he said. If the fine does not have that effect, it can be increased, the judge warned.

Judge would need to go back to school with that sort of Maths!
7*700 is €4900? Or is it only applying tk week days.
He is still going tomthe school and has racked up €9800 in fines

Ignoring and giving zero publicity to a fella like that is the only answer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/02/10/enoch-and-ammi-burke-removed-from-high-court-by-gardai/Siblings Enoch and Ammi Burke were physically removed from a courtroom by members of An Garda Síochána for interrupting proceedings before a High Court judge.

Garda intervention was required when the siblings refused to leave the courtroom after they were deemed by the presiding judge Mr Justice Brian O'Moore to be interrupting the court's busy list.

The judge later criticised the Burkes' action and said the best way to deal with their disruption, which lasted for two hours, was for "the court to get on with our business."

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on February 21, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Hopefully all the teachers in the North are up out of their beds and on the picket line this morning. And not taking advantage of a wee morning off.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 21, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Hopefully all the teachers in the North are up out of their beds and on the picket line this morning. And not taking advantage of a wee morning off.

She didn't stir when I left this morning, she'd some marking to do though so probably still working, followed by a parents consultations!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 21, 2023, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 21, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Hopefully all the teachers in the North are up out of their beds and on the picket line this morning. And not taking advantage of a wee morning off.

She didn't stir when I left this morning, she'd some marking to do though so probably still working, followed by a parents consultations!!


Sounds like those teachers you hear about on the news, working to 10pm every night, weekends etc  ;) 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2023, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 21, 2023, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 21, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Hopefully all the teachers in the North are up out of their beds and on the picket line this morning. And not taking advantage of a wee morning off.

She didn't stir when I left this morning, she'd some marking to do though so probably still working, followed by a parents consultations!!


Sounds like those teachers you hear about on the news, working to 10pm every night, weekends etc  ;)

Never stops, hateful job wouldn't encourage anyone to do it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 24, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
Did ye not see the tans of the teachers on the picket line after being in Spain and Portugal on their half term? More money my hole.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: delgany on February 24, 2023, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 24, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
Did ye not see the tans of the teachers on the picket line after being in Spain and Portugal on their half term? More money my hole.

Sure lookit, its only five weeks to the Easter hols. Hard to bate the holidays. Action Short of Strike is deadly !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 25, 2023, 06:31:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 24, 2023, 10:18:34 PM
Did ye not see the tans of the teachers on the picket line after being in Spain and Portugal on their half term? More money my hole.

Dubai actually
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2023, 09:59:04 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/03/09/battle-between-enoch-burke-and-wilsons-hospital-school-is-far-from-over/

The legal battle between teacher Enoch Burke and the Co Westmeath school that wants him dismissed is far from over and could continue for some time on at least two fronts.
Legal sources have estimated the costs incurred by Wilson's Hospital School in dealing with various pre-trial applications since last August is now into six figures and, after the full trial is heard, could be €500,000 or more.
While some costs orders have been obtained by the school against Burke, who is representing himself, there is no clarity concerning whether he has sufficient assets to pay those. It is understood that the school is insured in relation to the litigation costs.
Separately, Burke has been fined €700 daily since January 27th until he purges his contempt of court orders restraining him attending at the school. He again attended at the school on Wednesday, when the total fines stood at €28,700
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 10:31:47 AM
https://twitter.com/Swimmingsolo1/status/1633540375733231626
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!

This case has serious consequences for rule of law etc. The guy's a tube etc who merits no attention but look at what is happening - a man is breaking the law and from what it looks like can't be stopped. It's not specifically about him it's about the precedent it sets.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!

This case has serious consequences for rule of law etc. The guy's a tube etc who merits no attention but look at what is happening - a man is breaking the law and from what it looks like can't be stopped. It's not specifically about him it's about the precedent it sets.
Fintan O'Toole put it well. "He wants the courts to vindicate him – but does not feel bound by anything the courts do or say."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rudi on March 10, 2023, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!

This case has serious consequences for rule of law etc. The guy's a tube etc who merits no attention but look at what is happening - a man is breaking the law and from what it looks like can't be stopped. It's not specifically about him it's about the precedent it sets.
Fintan O'Toole put it well. "He wants the courts to vindicate him – but does not feel bound by anything the courts do or say."

The family are as mad as a box of frogs, but the school handled it badly too, to the tune of being down half a million. Thats bad business for a relatively small school. The parents of school going kids in that school will have to pick up a fair bit of that tab. They handled the whole thing very badly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 01:33:24 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 10, 2023, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!

This case has serious consequences for rule of law etc. The guy's a tube etc who merits no attention but look at what is happening - a man is breaking the law and from what it looks like can't be stopped. It's not specifically about him it's about the precedent it sets.
Fintan O'Toole put it well. "He wants the courts to vindicate him – but does not feel bound by anything the courts do or say."

The family are as mad as a box of frogs, but the school handled it badly too, to the tune of being down half a million. Thats bad business for a relatively small school. The parents of school going kids in that school will have to pick up a fair bit of that tab. They handled the whole thing very badly.
According to the Irish Times 500k is the max estimated liability and the school has insurance.

"Legal sources have estimated the costs incurred by Wilson's Hospital School in dealing with various pre-trial applications since last August is now into six figures and, after the full trial is heard, could be €500,000 or more.
While some costs orders have been obtained by the school against Burke, who is representing himself, there is no clarity concerning whether he has sufficient assets to pay those. It is understood that the school is insured in relation to the litigation costs."
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 03:20:20 PM
There's no way you could envisage this type of scenario though. Absolutely no way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Look-Up! on March 10, 2023, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 03:20:20 PM
There's no way you could envisage this type of scenario though. Absolutely no way.
Absolutely correct. Same way the family of that poor girl Sally Maaz could have envisaged what they'd have to endure the day of her inquest.

Burke family are the essence of human dirt.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on March 10, 2023, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: Rudi on March 10, 2023, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 09, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 09, 2023, 01:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 09, 2023, 11:11:17 AM
He is making an arse of the law and they need to work out something to deal with that. Absolutely ridiculous.

He should have been left in jail until he purged his contempt. Letting him out caused this latest crap. Another reason Castlebar is a shithole

Giving him a second thought is the mistake you are all making with someone like that. He is attention seeking and obviously not right in the head!

This case has serious consequences for rule of law etc. The guy's a tube etc who merits no attention but look at what is happening - a man is breaking the law and from what it looks like can't be stopped. It's not specifically about him it's about the precedent it sets.
Fintan O'Toole put it well. "He wants the courts to vindicate him – but does not feel bound by anything the courts do or say."

The family are as mad as a box of frogs, but the school handled it badly too, to the tune of being down half a million. Thats bad business for a relatively small school. The parents of school going kids in that school will have to pick up a fair bit of that tab. They handled the whole thing very badly.

How is it the school's fault?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 05:17:21 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on March 10, 2023, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 03:20:20 PM
There's no way you could envisage this type of scenario though. Absolutely no way.
Absolutely correct. Same way the family of that poor girl Sally Maaz could have envisaged what they'd have to endure the day of her inquest.

Burke family are the essence of human dirt.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-burkes-of-castlebar-who-are-the-high-achieving-family-from-co-mayo-1.4847279


... the February inquest into the death of Sally Maaz. On several occasions during the two-day inquest, as the grieving Maaz family watched on quietly, there were heated exchanges between the Burke family and the coroner for Mayo, Patrick O'Connor. At one stage Martina Burke told the coroner: "You are not invincible, let me tell you." She later interjected that the inquest was a "whitewash".
Acting under Sections 6 and 8 of the Public Order Act 1994, gardaí removed Martina, Josiah and Jemima from the courthouse. As he was led away, Josiah roared that the court was "a sham" and a "disgrace". The family proceeded to film for their social media outside the coroner's court, accusing witnesses of lying and describing the hospital as "wicked".

Elijah Burke during a protest for students not eligable for predicted grades at Leinster House in July 2020. He went on to win his calculated grades exclusion case. Photograph: Gareth Chaney/Collins
Superintendent Joe McKenna later apologised to the Maaz family for having to "endure" the behaviour of the Burkes. The Maaz family, says one source, "had no involvement and want no involvement" in the disruption to the hearing. A verdict on their daughter's death is due in the inquest at Swinford courthouse next Monday.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 16, 2023, 03:40:15 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/16/enoch-burke-must-pay-23800-fine-by-next-week-over-egregious-disobedience-of-court-orders/

Enoch Burke is in "egregious disobedience" of a court order not to attend at a Co Westmeath school and must pay €23,800 in fines by March 23rd next, a High Court judge has ruled.
The school may apply to enforce payment of the fines by means such as seeking orders over Mr Burke's assets, Mr Justice Brian O'Moore said.
He said the €23,800 figure was based on fines of €700 daily imposed from January 27th to March 1st but warned that fines of €700 daily have, and will, continue to accrue until he purges his contempt of court orders not to attend at Wilson's Hospital School.
In considering whether the daily fine should be increased, the judge said he had concluded there are two possible reasons for Mr Burke's continuing contempt of the orders.
The first was that the fines are "too low" and the second is that Mr Burke does not really believe they will ever be enforced, he said.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 16, 2023, 04:14:23 PM
What's the point? He's never paying them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 16, 2023, 07:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2023, 04:14:23 PM
What's the point? He's never paying them.
They might go after his or his family's assets
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: David McKeown on March 16, 2023, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 16, 2023, 07:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 16, 2023, 04:14:23 PM
What's the point? He's never paying them.
They might go after his or his family's assets

His assets yes but unless he has tried to transfer his to them to hide them they won't be able to go after his.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on March 17, 2023, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: clarshack on March 17, 2023, 10:45:58 AM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/parent-of-transgender-student-in-enoch-burke-row-expresses-safety-concern-for-their-family-42390736.html

The whole thing's a circus.

Burke disobeyed instructions of his employer, therefore I would say legally it's between him and the school only.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: knockitdown on March 17, 2023, 07:27:37 PM
https://twitter.com/rositasweetman/status/1636751421080043521?s=46&t=yok-LIQ2uXEh71O6s2_0bA :)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 28, 2023, 01:46:17 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/03/28/enoch-burke-banned-from-court-hearing-with-school-after-obvious-contempt/

Enoch Burke has been found in contempt of court over his conduct in court on Tuesday morning as a judge was due to begin hearing a dispute between the teacher and Wilson's Hospital School.

Mr Justice Alexander Owens directed Mr Burke will not be permitted to attend court at 2pm for the opening of the case because of his "obvious contempt" in the face of the court.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2023, 06:00:27 PM
Solicitors also get it handy

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/05/04/ammi-burke-loses-judicial-review-after-talking-over-judge-and-counsel/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on June 30, 2023, 10:03:55 AM
Must be a rough joint

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66057805
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on June 30, 2023, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: LC on June 30, 2023, 10:03:55 AM
Must be a rough joint

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-66057805

Lots of kids whose first language wouldn't be English.
Lots of socio-economic issues


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on July 14, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
6% pay rise for teachers in England, nothing for them from the Stomont budget.  Pathetic that front line workers here can't be paid properly.  Place is a farce.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2023, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on July 14, 2023, 08:15:02 PM
6% pay rise for teachers in England, nothing for them from the Stomont budget.  Pathetic that front line workers here can't be paid properly.  Place is a farce.

And until the government gets up and running there's no pay rise. It's now getting that obvious and the thing is people are still (who work in these areas) voting in these people that are holding everything back!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: restorepride on July 14, 2023, 08:58:09 PM
I never voted DUP in my life!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:18:27 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont

Exactly. Wasn't it 2 or 3 hundred million? The UK government won't let that happen again.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on July 15, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:18:27 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont

Exactly. Wasn't it 2 or 3 hundred million? The UK government won't let that happen again.

Are the Tory party punishing the people to try and get the DUP back to Stormont?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:18:27 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont

Exactly. Wasn't it 2 or 3 hundred million? The UK government won't let that happen again.

Are the Tory party punishing the people to try and get the DUP back to Stormont?

100% they are and John Campbell (economist reporter) mentioned it yesterday in the news as the only reason, why the uk are getting their pay increases is because they have a government, we don't..

It should be shouted from the roof tops, in every paper and all forms of media, unfortunately this place needs a sledgehammer to crack a nut
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 08:53:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:18:27 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont

Exactly. Wasn't it 2 or 3 hundred million? The UK government won't let that happen again.

Are the Tory party punishing the people to try and get the DUP back to Stormont?

100% they are and John Campbell (economist reporter) mentioned it yesterday in the news as the only reason, why the uk are getting their pay increases is because they have a government, we don't..

It should be shouted from the roof tops, in every paper and all forms of media, unfortunately this place needs a sledgehammer to crack a nut

A significant portion of the population here will not care. It doesn't matter if they raised wages in GB by 50%. For them the sea border is everything and comes above all else.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on July 15, 2023, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 08:53:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2023, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 15, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2023, 06:18:27 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on July 14, 2023, 09:18:01 PM
Even if Stormont returns what would normally be sent from the treasury as a Barnett consequential won't he used for any public sector pay deal. It will be used to pay off the hundreds of million of overspend that the MLAs gave us when last in Stormont

Exactly. Wasn't it 2 or 3 hundred million? The UK government won't let that happen again.

Are the Tory party punishing the people to try and get the DUP back to Stormont?

100% they are and John Campbell (economist reporter) mentioned it yesterday in the news as the only reason, why the uk are getting their pay increases is because they have a government, we don't..

It should be shouted from the roof tops, in every paper and all forms of media, unfortunately this place needs a sledgehammer to crack a nut

A significant portion of the population here will not care. It doesn't matter if they raised wages in GB by 50%. For them the sea border is everything and comes above all else.

Same on Nationalist side. When SF boycotted their vote went up. Nobody cares. It's about booting themuns.
DUP in a corner now that they'll find very difficult to get out of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.

Take your youngsters out of school and do it yourself then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.

Take your youngsters out of school and do it yourself then.

You've no idea how beneficial that would be to them.
But I have to earn a living too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.

Take your youngsters out of school and do it yourself then.

You've no idea how beneficial that would be to them.
But I have to earn a living too.

Put your children first. Sign on the dole and make brain surgeons etc out of them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2023, 07:07:12 PM
Oh right, so they good enough for babysitters at least.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.

Take your youngsters out of school and do it yourself then.

You've no idea how beneficial that would be to them.
But I have to earn a living too.

Put your children first. Sign on the dole and make brain surgeons etc out of them

Or stay in the system and make brain surgeons etc out of others?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Out of curiosity,  what is this real world you speak of?  I'm starting to question my vocation as I thought I was in the real world too. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Out of curiosity,  what is this real world you speak of?  I'm starting to question my vocation as I thought I was in the real world too.

One where there is accountability; where incompetence is challenged and dealt with, rather than moved elsewhere.

Your username is strangely appropriate.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on July 15, 2023, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Out of curiosity,  what is this real world you speak of?  I'm starting to question my vocation as I thought I was in the real world too.

One where there is accountability; where incompetence is challenged and dealt with, rather than moved elsewhere.

Your username is strangely appropriate.

Teachers should be forced to move schools every 5-8 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Out of curiosity,  what is this real world you speak of?  I'm starting to question my vocation as I thought I was in the real world too.

One where there is accountability; where incompetence is challenged and dealt with, rather than moved elsewhere.

Your username is strangely appropriate.

Indeed, we must have gone through a similar process when settling on a username.  This incompetence,  is it universal?  I do try not to be incompetent.  Any tips would be appreciated,  or perhaps a checklist of sorts.  Some in the profession might get precious about such things, but anything  that would contribute to enhancing the environment for students and parents could only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 15, 2023, 08:30:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: Substandard on July 15, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.
Out of curiosity,  what is this real world you speak of?  I'm starting to question my vocation as I thought I was in the real world too.

One where there is accountability; where incompetence is challenged and dealt with, rather than moved elsewhere.

Your username is strangely appropriate.

Teachers should be forced to move schools every 5-8 years.
I have often thought about that myself, but I'd imagine there would be complications, changing part way through a course, and so on.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: screenexile on July 15, 2023, 10:02:17 PM
There should have been a first reply to this thread saying "Yes, Teachers do get it handy"

And then the thread should have been locked!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on July 15, 2023, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on July 15, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
Teachers really bore me.
Doubt if any could survive a second in the real world; I've had enough of them as a parent to turn me for good.

Take your youngsters out of school and do it yourself then.

You've no idea how beneficial that would be to them.
But I have to earn a living too.

Put your children first. Sign on the dole and make brain surgeons etc out of them

Or stay in the system and make brain surgeons etc out of others?

Some parent you are...letting your children's lives be messed up by inadequates
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 12:28:00 AM
Anyone that feels teaching is easy give it a go, it's the type that gets caught up in mad conspiracies
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on August 09, 2023, 08:53:46 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/07/britain-s-posh-private-schools-move-further-out-of-reach/7e0be960-34da-11ee-ac4e-e707870e43db_story.html

I see different articles today saying some people in England are paying £50k a year to send their youngster to private school.  A lot of people over there seem to think if they can't get their youngster into a private school that is them fecked for life and are even driving themselves into serious debt for the sake of it.

By and large we have all decent schools around us that are pretty much FOC, I imagine to send a youngster to the equivalent of a St. Colman's / Omagh CBS / Dungannon Academy or St. Pats Maghera in England would cost some money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 09, 2023, 09:36:11 PM
I know of one family nearby who have sent 3 to a boarding school in England (at the same time). 30 grand a pop. They go to be with what they see as their own kind and to start on the old boys network.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 09, 2023, 10:49:33 PM
Meanwhile, schools in Dublin do not have enough teachers
https://www.thejournal.ie/primary-schools-ireland-recruitment-problem-6139397-Aug2023/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Olly on August 09, 2023, 11:07:52 PM
Teachers aren't even great spellers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thewobbler on August 15, 2023, 08:18:44 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

In summary capitalism ha broken the country. Dublin will feel the effects first, followed by the commuter areas, before spreading outwards.

You can't have private sector salaries rise disproportionately to public sector. Will you can for a while, as there's enough people in the world with a vocational urge to give it a try... for as long as they can. But what you really can't have is the private sector using their extra disposable to buy up property and charge rents equivalent to a public sector wage, and still expect people to join the public sector.

This issue been coming for years. Any politician or policymakers who says they didn't see it coming is both a liar and a property owner.

You cannot have a strong and healthy society without a strong public sector.
Ireland (and the UK) is a ticking time bomb.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.

When you do get them, they are f**king useless. Replace every f**king part, problem solving very poor. Nearly as bad as GPs
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.

When you do get them, they are f**king useless. Replace every f**king part, problem solving very poor. Nearly as bad as GPs

Best thing is go to MOT and get list of what's failed. £18.50 for a re-test.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 12:17:59 PM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.

When you do get them, they are f**king useless. Replace every f**king part, problem solving very poor. Nearly as bad as GPs

Best thing is go to MOT and get list of what's failed. £18.50 for a re-test.

Unfortunately I'm in a position where the car (4 years old) is breaking down. Its a balls when your left at the side of the road. Phone insurance for a tow, phone a friend for a lift.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 16, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.
Nobody wants to do a trade anymore
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: clonian on August 16, 2023, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 16, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.
Nobody wants to do a trade anymore

Certain trades still have a decent amount of lads going into them out it's mostly electricians, joiners (more shopfitting than 10 years ago) and some plumbers. Still nowhere near enough to cover the ones retiring out of those trades.

Heavy trades are dying completely - bricklayers, plasterers, steelfixers & mechanics. You'll be doing well to find many of those lads under 35 on a site.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rudi on August 16, 2023, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: clonian on August 16, 2023, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 16, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.
Nobody wants to do a trade anymore

Certain trades still have a decent amount of lads going into them out it's mostly electricians, joiners (more shopfitting than 10 years ago) and some plumbers. Still nowhere near enough to cover the ones retiring out of those trades.

Heavy trades are dying completely - bricklayers, plasterers, steelfixers & mechanics. You'll be doing well to find many of those lads under 35 on a site.

Difficult to understand. A student getting a fairly crappy degree with associated costs, starting out with a huge student loan. Compared to a 4 year apprenticeship in a required trade like blocklaying, car mechanic, welding etc. I would definitely see in monetary & employment terms bright days ahead for trades.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: clonian on August 16, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 16, 2023, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: clonian on August 16, 2023, 08:31:01 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 16, 2023, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: Rudi on August 15, 2023, 08:10:05 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0815/1399798-schools-unfilled-teaching-posts/

No teachers to be got in Dublin. The country struggling for doctors & nurses. No decent car mechanics to be got either. A culture of taking a year out. What are our policy makers / civil servants at?

Yeah, mechanics very hard to get.

Always need them in a panic but fully booked for at least 2 weeks.
Nobody wants to do a trade anymore

Certain trades still have a decent amount of lads going into them out it's mostly electricians, joiners (more shopfitting than 10 years ago) and some plumbers. Still nowhere near enough to cover the ones retiring out of those trades.

Heavy trades are dying completely - bricklayers, plasterers, steelfixers & mechanics. You'll be doing well to find many of those lads under 35 on a site.

Difficult to understand. A student getting a fairly crappy degree with associated costs, starting out with a huge student loan. Compared to a 4 year apprenticeship in a required trade like blocklaying, car mechanic, welding etc. I would definitely see in monetary & employment terms bright days ahead for trades.

It's hard work and most young lads have no interest in that. And some of those trades are really well paid.

The construction industry has to take some of the blame. In the 80s & 90s teenagers at 15/16 laboured on sites during the summers and it gave you an idea what you could you do well. Big sites don't want anyone under 18 so most kids are pushed to stay in school/tech and then come out. Unless you're following family into something it's difficult for them to get in.

Also a lot of the men that did those heavy trades pushed their children away from the roles they did so have an easier life. I did a civil engineering degree and have worked in various sections of the industry over 20 years - I wouldn't encourage my lads (or girl) into that industry. It suits some but not others.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Captain Scarlet on August 16, 2023, 09:33:05 AM
A few of my mates starting moving out of the trades in their 30s and went for education and training because their knees and backs were in bits.
I'd say a lot of the older lads on sites can hardly move and don't want to see their kids in the same way.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2023, 09:36:24 AM
As someone that went through the trades and family that have been in the 'outdoor' trades you'll not be physically fit to lay bricks at the age of 55, and you'll have not made enough money to retire either, mechanics (if you don't own your own business) get shafted by the owners in comparison to what the owner charges the client, and working 'homers' is doing a full weeks work and then working nights and weekends to make some extra cash.

Joiners as in site joiners its hard work too and unless its your business then you are just getting a wage, there wouldn't be sick pay or holiday pay, you aint in work you are not getting paid, and like a brick layer, you'll not be up and down ladders, scaffolding carry tools and so on when you are over 55.

Plumbers, christ its nearly impossible to get a recommended within in 6 months, a decent one is a dying breed and while they might have a longer working span to the other trades its still physically demanding, clients are demanding and these guys do end up working nights and weekends to get jobs done to get to the next job and so on. Sparks would fall into the same bracket.

Kids, in my experience don't want the hard work, they want the work from home, holiday and sick pay schemes, the pensions and would work harder at getting out of work than actually rolling the sleeves up and doing it.

That is based on me putting kids through apprenticeships for over 12 years, albeit 10  years since I've been doing it, but still have good friends in that line of work who say it hasn't changed too much, some centers actually pulled trades due to the fact that no one was taking them up after leaving school.

Schools have been encouraging pupils to stay on and get softer exams results and chase the college pathway, we have encouraged our kids to better educate themselves, so how do you you reverse the mindset of a student to go get an apprenticeship, getting up at the strake of dawn to head to some mucky building site were everyone is taking the piss outta ya!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on August 16, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
Couldn't pay me to do a wet trade and anyone with an ounce of sense wants nothing to do with that kind of work. Technology and a change in building techniques will make a lot of trades obsolete. Only a matter of time till your architect gives the drawing to a machine and it stiches your wooden frame house together. More and more work will become automated. AI and automation, that's where it's all headed.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Cavan19 on August 16, 2023, 09:58:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
Couldn't pay me to do a wet trade and anyone with an ounce of sense wants nothing to do with that kind of work. Technology and a change in building techniques will make a lot of trades obsolete. Only a matter of time till your architect gives the drawing to a machine and it stiches your wooden frame house together. More and more work will become automated. AI and automation, that's where it's all headed.

This is the future now for building blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBRA24qlEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBRA24qlEg)

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 16, 2023, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 16, 2023, 09:33:05 AM
A few of my mates starting moving out of the trades in their 30s and went for education and training because their knees and backs were in bits.
I'd say a lot of the older lads on sites can hardly move and don't want to see their kids in the same way.

I'd say plastering would be the toughest of the lot. Plastering ceilings etc. All the pressure on one shoulder.

Lads must be wrecked by 40.

Teades people could be a lot harder to get in a year or two.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on August 16, 2023, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 16, 2023, 09:58:14 AM
This is the future now for building blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBRA24qlEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBRA24qlEg)

And that video was 3 years ago!
An older experienced guy could supervise several of these machines on a bigger site and get a lot of work done and still work to 67. There will probably be simpler machines that can build a straight wall with a bit of guidance you'll be able to rent one of these to build a wall in your garden.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on August 16, 2023, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
Couldn't pay me to do a wet trade and anyone with an ounce of sense wants nothing to do with that kind of work. Technology and a change in building techniques will make a lot of trades obsolete. Only a matter of time till your architect gives the drawing to a machine and it stiches your wooden frame house together. More and more work will become automated. AI and automation, that's where it's all headed.

Not so sure re above, a lot of money being invested in modular in recent years but does not seem to be working out:

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2022/12/05/housing-association-shuts-in-house-modular-factories/

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2023/06/09/ilke-homes-put-up-for-sale-in-battle-to-save-modular-builder/

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2023/06/21/berkeley-backpedals-on-modular-factory-production/

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2023/07/27/lg-modular-forced-to-dismantle-new-bristol-homes/

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: clonian on August 16, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 16, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
Couldn't pay me to do a wet trade and anyone with an ounce of sense wants nothing to do with that kind of work. Technology and a change in building techniques will make a lot of trades obsolete. Only a matter of time till your architect gives the drawing to a machine and it stiches your wooden frame house together. More and more work will become automated. AI and automation, that's where it's all headed.

The shortage of those heavy wet trades have been pushing more buildings towards modular construction for apartments and hotels etc where you have the same set up being repeated constantly. It's harder to do that for the frame and facade of the building. A building we were working we had it all sorted for precast concrete construction for the entire structure and then it was to be clad in limestone slabs. Precast company then didn't have the resource to complete it because it took 2 other similar projects on - you still need men shovelling concrete somewhere as it is so they only have so much facility on the production line.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Olly on August 16, 2023, 08:23:25 PM
A lot of scarmongreling here. I've been trimming bushes for over 30 years and theres loads of that work if you want it. Bushes won't trim themselves and no drones can do it yet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on August 16, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Olly on August 16, 2023, 08:23:25 PM
A lot of scarmongreling here. I've been trimming bushes for over 30 years and theres loads of that work if you want it. Bushes won't trim themselves and no drones can do it yet.

Always room for one more Olly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on August 16, 2023, 09:21:34 PM
Quote from: Olly on August 16, 2023, 08:23:25 PM
A lot of scarmongreling here. I've been trimming bushes for over 30 years and theres loads of that work if you want it. Bushes won't trim themselves and no drones can do it yet.

Must have seen some amount of bushes in that 30 years.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on September 09, 2023, 02:42:01 PM
Back in the Joy

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0908/1404290-enoch-burke/
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Itchy on September 09, 2023, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 09, 2023, 02:42:01 PM
Back in the Joy

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0908/1404290-enoch-burke/

He'll be there a long time as the courts good will before Christmas was thrown back in their face so why bother
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on September 09, 2023, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 09, 2023, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 09, 2023, 02:42:01 PM
Back in the Joy

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0908/1404290-enoch-burke/

He'll be there a long time as the courts good will before Christmas was thrown back in their face so why bother
I think so too. The authorities have figured him out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: jcpen on September 09, 2023, 04:32:45 PM
It's a mental institution he should be in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 09, 2023, 05:31:12 PM
Feel sorry for the lad
Dysfunctional conservative family and no real world experience after being home schooled
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on September 09, 2023, 05:43:01 PM
Never really stood a chance with that family. I think that boy could be in prison a very very long time as he doesn't strike you as someone who would give in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on October 06, 2023, 07:55:58 PM
The Burkes ambush Norma Foley

https://twitter.com/EnochBurke/status/1710003742479684073
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PM
Teachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on November 28, 2023, 05:10:13 PM
Striking tomorrow
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on November 28, 2023, 05:33:16 PM
If your wife is working 20 years and has management points she will be on north of £40k a year, not many in Tesco or anyone fitting tyres on £40k a year
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PM
Think one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 28, 2023, 06:16:50 PM
Like the nurses and doctors they just want more pay for the benefit of others.  ::)

The public sector needs a serious thinning out but we'll never see a government tackle it properly.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.



1,265 hours a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.



1,265 hours a year.

Exactly ........
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on November 28, 2023, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.



1,265 hours a year.

Catch yourself on.

Sure it's nearly Christmas .

Most of the primary ones will have Elf , the Grinch on repeat for the next three weeks .

Secondary ones have will a week of Christmas "mocks" where they get a handy wee day off and then they will hit the Christmas Netflix section.

Surprised if any of them made 1000 hours a year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on November 28, 2023, 07:36:23 PM
Seeking pay parity with other parts of the UK seems fair. It'd be a great career if it weren't for all the entitled parents.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2023, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on November 28, 2023, 07:36:23 PMSeeking pay parity with other parts of the UK seems fair. It'd be a great career if it weren't for all the entitled parents.

Scottish teachers annually make 16 grand more? On average
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2023, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on November 28, 2023, 07:36:23 PMSeeking pay parity with other parts of the UK seems fair. It'd be a great career if it weren't for all the entitled parents.

Even better job without the kids!!

Out of education 10 years now, seems like a distant memory..
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: FermGael on November 28, 2023, 07:29:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.



1,265 hours a year.

Catch yourself on.

Sure it's nearly Christmas .

Most of the primary ones will have Elf , the Grinch on repeat for the next three weeks .

Secondary ones have will a week of Christmas "mocks" where they get a handy wee day off and then they will hit the Christmas Netflix section.

Surprised if any of them made 1000 hours a year.

Yes, that was sort of my point.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: FermGael on November 28, 2023, 07:29:56 PMMost of the primary ones will have Elf , the Grinch on repeat for the next three weeks .


I think I would rather fit tyres than watch the Elf on repeat.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?

Employee putting in anywhere from 7.4% to 12%
Employer putting in a whopping 17.7%

Normal pension is 8% total (4% employee, 3% employer 1% Gov)

Nice work if you can get it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 29, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?

Employee putting in anywhere from 7.4% to 12%
Employer putting in a whopping 17.7%

Normal pension is 8% total (4% employee, 3% employer 1% Gov)

Nice work if you can get it.


Plus they're Defined Benefit which are impossible to get in the private sector. A guaranteed income for life which increases with inflation each year - "PI is always applied on the first Monday falling on or after 6 April. PI this year will be 10.1%, which will be applied from 6 April 2023."

Nice wee 10% boost to their pensions this year!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 29, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?

Employee putting in anywhere from 7.4% to 12%
Employer putting in a whopping 17.7%

Normal pension is 8% total (4% employee, 3% employer 1% Gov)

Nice work if you can get it.


Plus they're Defined Benefit which are impossible to get in the private sector. A guaranteed income for life which increases with inflation each year - "PI is always applied on the first Monday falling on or after 6 April. PI this year will be 10.1%, which will be applied from 6 April 2023."

Nice wee 10% boost to their pensions this year!


We (the taxpayer) should really consider cutting their pay.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on November 29, 2023, 10:10:18 AM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on November 28, 2023, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on November 28, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 28, 2023, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 26, 2023, 10:20:10 PMTeachers in the wee six not doing so well

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_4RWuzWoAAL2Eu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

I hadn't seen that before, but I can say that it feels about right.
My wife is a teacher now for well over 20 years. She has management points and her take home now is roughly 2k more than when she started all those years ago. Less than £200/year increase in salary.
I can say in all honesty, she has more hours to work in a week than I do.
Was recently chatting to a young lad in a tyre depot when getting a puncture fixed, he was about 21/22 and he was telling me he's taking home over £500 a week. One of the neighbours kids has a part time job in Tesco, and her hourly rate is better than what my wife earns.
I get that there isn't money in the education budget to pay them more, but the current state of things where students and early stage "non-professional" jobs (such as a tyre fitter) earn as much as if not more than a teacher of 20+ years in a management position is fundamentally wrong. I'm not suggesting that those other workers don't deserve what they are getting paid, but teachers should certainly be getting paid more.
I know of 2 young teachers who recently resigned. One of them is just looking for work in shops etc until they find their feet. The other is doing reflexology from the house 3 nights a week and making more than she was when teaching full time.


Ye but is it not a 10 month contract? Her hourly rate over them weeks is higher?

UK workers are guaranteed a minimum of 28 days paid leave per year. This can include bank holidays, but many employers add them on top, so employees in England get a minimum of 36 days, or 7 weeks and 1 day (more in Wales, Scotland, and NI).

Typically schools will have the following breaks:

Autumn half-term - 5 days
Christmas - 11 days (inc. three bank holidays)
May Day (bank holiday)
Spring half-term - 5 days
Easter - 10 or 11 days (inc. two bank holidays)
Summer half-term - 5 days (inc. one bank holiday)
Summer - 30 days (inc. one bank holiday)

So that makes 67 or 68 days, of which eight are bank holidays, and 28 are the same entitlement most other employees get. That leaves 30 or 31 days that are "extra." Some of those may be inset days where kids are at home, and schools closed, but teachers are still there working. The first two days of the next Summer break are inset days. This whittles the "extra" down to 28 or 29 days.



1,265 hours a year.

Exactly ........

imagine thinking thats the only hours a teacher does
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on November 29, 2023, 10:15:33 AM
I'm away to see if Tescos are recruiting for any £40k a year shelf stacking posts
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AM
There's an obvious theme here that many feel the job teachers have isn't deserving of the pay as they get too many holidays or have 10 month contracts or have a decent pension.

That's the job, it comes with those holidays and perks. Like many jobs in private sector that come with perks such as pensions, company car, private health care etc.

Yes teachers have a 10 month contract, but they still have bills for 12 months like the rest of us, so their wages are split over 12 months. Not sure why that's an issue as their annual salary hasn't changed. If you want to compare a 10 month contract with a 12 month contract, then take the annual salary of someone on a 12 month contract and compress it to 10 months, the comparison applies then.

The fact remains, the role a teacher provides is a professional one that all children need.

In terms of hours worked...that's so far off the mark you've no idea.

I'd be the first to poke fun at a teacher and the short days and long holidays, but the reality is totally different.

To add insult to injury, teachers doing the same job in other parts of the UK are getting paid more.

It's unsustainable.
Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on November 29, 2023, 10:46:19 AM
Some people do seem to have had particularly bad experiences of teachers here whether it be through their own schooling or their own childrens schooling I don't know. I wouldn't share the same opinions - it's a tough job and I wouldn't want to do it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 10:55:26 AM
Any young teacher I know is either going straight to Oz, the Middle East or England. Cannot blame them in the slightest. The money is shite here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: burdizzo on November 29, 2023, 11:02:15 AM
My missus is a teacher, and when we were first married, I used to rib her relentlessly about what a handy number she was on. Eventually, our children started going to GAA activities, and I was inevitably roped in to lead the group w/ my own young lad in it. Well, it was only once a week at the start, but that one hour of the week was more stressful for me than the whole rest of it at my normal work! Many times my assistant wouldn't show up, and I was left w/ 20-25 u6s on my own. Complete nightmare! Also - the parents! Sheesh! So, I've definitely revised my opinion: teachers deserve all the time off they get!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on November 29, 2023, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AMThere's an obvious theme here that many feel the job teachers have isn't deserving of the pay as they get too many holidays or have 10 month contracts or have a decent pension.

That's the job, it comes with those holidays and perks. Like many jobs in private sector that come with perks such as pensions, company car, private health care etc.

Yes teachers have a 10 month contract, but they still have bills for 12 months like the rest of us, so their wages are split over 12 months. Not sure why that's an issue as their annual salary hasn't changed. If you want to compare a 10 month contract with a 12 month contract, then take the annual salary of someone on a 12 month contract and compress it to 10 months, the comparison applies then.

The fact remains, the role a teacher provides is a professional one that all children need.

In terms of hours worked...that's so far off the mark you've no idea.

I'd be the first to poke fun at a teacher and the short days and long holidays, but the reality is totally different.

To add insult to injury, teachers doing the same job in other parts of the UK are getting paid more.

It's unsustainable.
Teachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.


the voice of reason
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on November 29, 2023, 12:14:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 29, 2023, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on November 29, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2023, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 28, 2023, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 28, 2023, 06:08:07 PMThink one of the big differences which gets ignored is the pension. Excellent pension at end of it by they sure pay for it while working. Not uncommon to see a deduction of 4/500 pm taken out. Compare this to a pension of eg tesco/tyre fitter.

Just one argument but I know what yous are saying

Yeah and what they pay in their employer (taxpayer) is paying in 4/5 times that

So break it down for me, a pension for a teacher who retires at 65 gets what (on average) per month after tax?

Employee putting in anywhere from 7.4% to 12%
Employer putting in a whopping 17.7%

Normal pension is 8% total (4% employee, 3% employer 1% Gov)

Nice work if you can get it.


Plus they're Defined Benefit which are impossible to get in the private sector. A guaranteed income for life which increases with inflation each year - "PI is always applied on the first Monday falling on or after 6 April. PI this year will be 10.1%, which will be applied from 6 April 2023."

Nice wee 10% boost to their pensions this year!


We (the taxpayer) should really consider cutting their pay.

The bastids don't pay tax either! Nice work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on November 29, 2023, 05:08:15 PM
Public sector pensions are pay as you go and depend on the ratio of workers to pensioners. People are living longer. France already has a huge problem . I wouldn't guarantee that teachers will get what they expect.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 29, 2023, 05:26:23 PM
The day that happens there would be anarchy as police nurses civil servants would be hit the same.

What they are doing is making the contribution levels higher/overall benefit lower for new entrants so the really tasty pensions are already being taken and gradually ones in the pipeline not just as attractive imo
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 06:56:57 PM
Not so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 07:17:11 PM
Jesus that is shocking bad. Time you lose your tax etc its a waste of time
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on November 29, 2023, 08:19:52 PM
How many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AMTeachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AMTeachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.
Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on November 29, 2023, 09:10:41 PM
Doctors get significantly less here too. Not sure about other health professionals

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AMTeachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.
Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.
Aye but you could say that about a lot of occupations over the last 40 years. Loads left but more stayed. The ones that will leave will be newly qualified teachers who can't get a permanent job or even decent subbing as the Heads are employing their retired mates.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on November 29, 2023, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 29, 2023, 08:19:52 PMHow many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?
It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on November 29, 2023, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2023, 09:09:17 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 29, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 29, 2023, 10:30:02 AMTeachers will leave the jobs. Kids will ultimately suffer the consequences and all those people who see the schools as free childminding will be up in arms.

They will and there will be a queue waiting to fill their place.
Any teacher with an ounce of sense is outta here.
Aye but you could say that about a lot of occupations over the last 40 years. Loads left but more stayed. The ones that will leave will be newly qualified teachers who can't get a permanent job or even decent subbing as the Heads are employing their retired mates.

In some circumstances a school can only get a 'retiree' to sub. Most young teachers are booked in or moved to another country.
School finances are buggered.
EA have a £200 million funding gap...£60 million belongs to schools in deficit.
School budgets would need to increase by approx. £400 - £500 per  pupil to break even.
It's alarming ..how much of a shitshow, school finances have become !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 08:17:27 AM
The North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mario on November 30, 2023, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 08:17:27 AMThe North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 
Rent has fallen a bit in the last year I think but i'd say it is still up 30% in Belfast since pre Covid. I rented out my 2 bed apartment from 2017 to 2020 for around £600 pm in Belfast. In a desirable area for young professionals. I've since sold it but the same apartment would be £850 pm now.

Teacher pay is a joke, to get no pay increase after the levels of inflation in the last 3 years is crazy. A teacher used to be a prestigious job that could support a whole family. Now a teacher with a young child paying a mortgage and nursery fees would be struggling to make ends meet.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on November 30, 2023, 09:02:12 AM
Quote from: Mario on November 30, 2023, 08:48:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 08:17:27 AMThe North has a huge deficit called the subvention which means it it is wealthier than most regions in the UK but that salary increases for teachers are out of the question

Inflation has driven a coach and horses through public sector purchasing power. Rents keep on going up- is it the same in the North? Rents have to come down. 
Rent has fallen a bit in the last year I think but i'd say it is still up 30% in Belfast since pre Covid. I rented out my 2 bed apartment from 2017 to 2020 for around £600 pm in Belfast. In a desirable area for young professionals. I've since sold it but the same apartment would be £850 pm now.

Teacher pay is a joke, to get no pay increase after the levels of inflation in the last 3 years is crazy. A teacher used to be a prestigious job that could support a whole family. Now a teacher with a young child paying a mortgage and nursery fees would be struggling to make ends meet.

They aren't alone in the public sector there
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: statto on November 30, 2023, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 06:56:57 PMNot so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

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Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on November 30, 2023, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on November 29, 2023, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 29, 2023, 08:19:52 PMHow many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?
It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3

Not 100% sure but I think once you hit that upper scale, that's it. No more pay rises.
Only way to get more is to go for a VP or principal role or take on extra responsibilities, but there are only so many of those to go around.
if 38K is the top and that's what you are on, year on year you get a pay cut in real terms with inflation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: statto on November 30, 2023, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 06:56:57 PMNot so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAGJPrcWIAA1WId?format=jpg&name=small)

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

I started teaching in 2005 in Manchester. My first years salary was just under 20k
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on November 30, 2023, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on November 30, 2023, 10:29:30 AM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on November 29, 2023, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on November 29, 2023, 08:19:52 PMHow many years to you are top of your scale, was one of the teaching pay deals a couple of years ago not that you got to about £38k in 7/8 years ?
It takes 11 years to get to Upper Scale 3

Not 100% sure but I think once you hit that upper scale, that's it. No more pay rises.
Only way to get more is to go for a VP or principal role or take on extra responsibilities, but there are only so many of those to go around.
if 38K is the top and that's what you are on, year on year you get a pay cut in real terms with inflation.


No different to anywhere else in the public sector once you hit your max
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on November 30, 2023, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: statto on November 30, 2023, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 06:56:57 PMNot so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAGJPrcWIAA1WId?format=jpg&name=small)

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

I agree in principle.
However the amount has to be reflective of the true cost of living.
The national living wage is going up to £11.44 an hour in April, and by my rough calculation a new teacher in NI will start on £12.ish per hour. So a professional qualification earns a teacher £1/hr more than someone serving at a till in the local corner shop.
The pay doesn't reflect the job they do.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on November 30, 2023, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: statto on November 30, 2023, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2023, 06:56:57 PMNot so good for NI teachers to be paid much less than Wales!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAGJPrcWIAA1WId?format=jpg&name=small)

Someone coming out of Uni with limited teaching experience I don't think should merit a great salary.  I graduated in 2007, I was happy enough to get a job of any description to try and get the experience required.  I dare say there is a big difference generally in a teacher at 21/22 and someone at say 30 who has been round a few corners the same in any job really. 

people who join border force right out of uni have a starting salary of 25k. Depending on where they work they get a shift allowance of up to 44% putting them on 36k. Right out of uni. They are enforcing customs and immigration laws. Is that any better?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AM
Reduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:32 AM
Anyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on November 30, 2023, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:32 AMAnyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 30, 2023, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:32 AMAnyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.
Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on November 30, 2023, 03:48:55 PM
Inflation increased many prices by 20%. That is irreversible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:38:46 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

Teachers pay tax too?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 30, 2023, 07:52:51 PM
On all the years of food inflation, when have you ever seen it go down, doesn't happen!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on December 01, 2023, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 30, 2023, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:32 AMAnyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.
Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.

This is part of the problem. A degree shouldn't dictate a good or even average salary. Too many useless degrees being done. (I have a huge bugbear with the level of career advice given in school, it's pathetic across the board). Salary should be dictated by demand of skills. If you do a degree in some random course just to get a ween of years in uni, then you should not be expecting a decent salary when you come out until you earn experience. Courses in demand such as engineers, automation, electronics etc should be rewarded with decent starting salaries. Teaching is one that there is demand for, but also good supply. Starting pay should not be at levels of the above careers imo. That said, I think £24k is decent for a graduate with no experience. I'd be more in favour of rewarding good teachers. But that idea is a big no no!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on December 01, 2023, 03:27:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 01, 2023, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 30, 2023, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:32 AMAnyone coming out with a pile of student debt should be on a lot more than 24k a year ffs. Time you pay taxes etc and rent/mortgage you havent much left.

You don't pay the student debt back until you're over a certain amount which I would guess would be a lot more than 24k these days.
Not sure tbh. But that wasn't my point. If you do a degree you should be getting a decent wage.

This is part of the problem. A degree shouldn't dictate a good or even average salary. Too many useless degrees being done. (I have a huge bugbear with the level of career advice given in school, it's pathetic across the board). Salary should be dictated by demand of skills. If you do a degree in some random course just to get a ween of years in uni, then you should not be expecting a decent salary when you come out until you earn experience. Courses in demand such as engineers, automation, electronics etc should be rewarded with decent starting salaries. Teaching is one that there is demand for, but also good supply. Starting pay should not be at levels of the above careers imo. That said, I think £24k is decent for a graduate with no experience. I'd be more in favour of rewarding good teachers. But that idea is a big no no!!
Oh absolutely. But teaching is a decent degree not like the wishy washy ones. 24k wouldnt get you too far these days. Maybe 20 years ago it would.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PM
Stiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on December 01, 2023, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PMStiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
Actually think it is fairly high. Lot of people go and do a different degree then go to england and do the pgce.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 01, 2023, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PMStiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
Actually think it is fairly high. Lot of people go and do a different degree then go to england and do the pgce.

Which is impossible to fail
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on December 01, 2023, 05:07:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!
In fairness people are living longer generally.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2023, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?

I'm saying someone in the private sector can put in as much money as they want into a private pension.

If for instance someone earns 3 times the annual wage of a teacher they can (if they want) pump money into a private pension and it will match any teacher's pension.

All depends on how much they put in of course..

Public sector jobs are worst paid but get decent benefits at the end, should they stay in for the long haul..

I'd a pension that had different tiers to it when I first started working, there was a final salary pension plan in place, but it was a good chuck of your earnings.

I didn't know anyone who took it in fairness, as they wanted as much to have now, not later.

I'd a mate retired recently, 56, pumped his pension last ten years... he'll not be worried too much going forward
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on December 02, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 01, 2023, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PMStiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.
AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 02, 2023, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2023, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2023, 07:41:23 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 30, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 30, 2023, 10:59:35 AMReduce taxpayer-funded pension contributions to fund public sector salary increases.

That would not be an increase, it would be a rearrangement to give the impression of short term gain.
They'd have more in their pocket tomorrow than they'd have today. There are plenty of people out there working with no pension arrangements.

That's on them? I've no doubt that the private sector could pump their pension with more money to reach the same levels?

The problem with pensions, not everyone is healthy enough to enjoy the benefits of it!

Are you trying to say someone in the private sector could have an equivalent public sector pension ?

I'm saying someone in the private sector can put in as much money as they want into a private pension.

If for instance someone earns 3 times the annual wage of a teacher they can (if they want) pump money into a private pension and it will match any teacher's pension.

All depends on how much they put in of course..

Public sector jobs are worst paid but get decent benefits at the end, should they stay in for the long haul..

I'd a pension that had different tiers to it when I first started working, there was a final salary pension plan in place, but it was a good chuck of your earnings.

I didn't know anyone who took it in fairness, as they wanted as much to have now, not later.

I'd a mate retired recently, 56, pumped his pension last ten years... he'll not be worried too much going forward

Joined the public sector 5 years ago having been private sector for 20+ years, took a fair bit of a pay cut but between me and her we are able to keep our heads above water.  A big attraction was not only the pension but also relative job security,  stand to be corrected but what I can see in the public sector you have a guaranteed job until the day you decide to retire, you will not find this in the private sector.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 02, 2023, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on December 02, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 01, 2023, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PMStiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.
AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 

That's nuts.

We have about 12 students in my school in England at the minute, about 8 of them from Ireland. Like myself, they could t get into university in the north, so they had to come to Liverpool. If they stay here, they will all walk into a job. Back home, not a chance.

Can someone maybe correct me on this...

Is there 30 spaces in Coleraine and 20 in Srandmillis for primary school teaching? I think this was the case about 13 years ago when I tried to get in.

What they want if you back home is mad.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 02, 2023, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on December 02, 2023, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 01, 2023, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on December 01, 2023, 03:35:16 PMStiffen up the entry requirements to do teaching at university if you want the high starting salary, what's the current entry requirements for St Mary's for example ?

It's not all As at A level that's for sure.
I know a boy who has returned to school to repeat his A Levels this year having got ABB last year. He says he needs AAB to get into teaching in St Mary's.
AAB is standard for teaching at St Mary's. 
With those grades woukd you not be better doing a primary degree then a PGCE if that's what you're still interested in. I know a lot of grammars prefer PGCE over a teaching degree for sciences etc.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on December 12, 2023, 02:42:07 PM
Teachers and Gardaí/Police are leaving the profession in droves all over Europe. Salaries are not keeping up with costs. Public sector workers are increasingly frustrated and are turning to the far right in other countries eg France/Germany.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 12, 2023, 06:44:37 PM
Where is the far right getting the money to pay the teachers police and so on?

Stealing it from the far left?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: thewobbler on December 12, 2023, 09:31:12 PM
Helen McEntee summed up the far right movement quite succinctly last week. In a nutshell, it's anyone you don't like.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on December 12, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2023, 09:31:12 PMHelen McEntee summed up the far right movement quite succinctly last week. In a nutshell, it's anyone you don't like.

Indeed, a very unlikeable bunch
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Main Street on December 12, 2023, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 12, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2023, 09:31:12 PMHelen McEntee summed up the far right movement quite succinctly last week. In a nutshell, it's anyone you don't like.

Indeed, a very unlikeable bunch
Helen was quoted as saying
"We have seen people to be anti-government, anti-state, anti-immigration, anti-women's rights, amongst other things – that would be my own particular view of those who claim to be far-right."

https://gript.ie/minister-for-justice-not-sure-there-is-a-definition-of-what-far-right-means/

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on December 12, 2023, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 12, 2023, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 12, 2023, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2023, 09:31:12 PMHelen McEntee summed up the far right movement quite succinctly last week. In a nutshell, it's anyone you don't like.

Indeed, a very unlikeable bunch
Helen was quoted as saying
"We have seen people to be anti-government, anti-state, anti-immigration, anti-women's rights, amongst other things – that would be my own particular view of those who claim to be far-right."

https://gript.ie/minister-for-justice-not-sure-there-is-a-definition-of-what-far-right-means/



Those pesky far righters sound an awful lot like the DUP
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 12, 2023, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2023, 02:42:07 PMTeachers and Gardaí/Police are leaving the profession in droves all over Europe. Salaries are not keeping up with costs. Public sector workers are increasingly frustrated and are turning to the far right in other countries eg France/Germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67685879

NHS staff will not be far behind them going down the same road in terms of quitting their jobs if they have to put up with this sort of crap.  Feel sorry for all staff in the NHS who take such abuse.  I would be fairly confident that 99% of those dishing out the bad manners / abuse are useless scumbags who would not know a days work if it slapped them in the face.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
Every A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on December 13, 2023, 10:26:06 AM
Quote from: LC on December 12, 2023, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2023, 02:42:07 PMTeachers and Gardaí/Police are leaving the profession in droves all over Europe. Salaries are not keeping up with costs. Public sector workers are increasingly frustrated and are turning to the far right in other countries eg France/Germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67685879

NHS staff will not be far behind them going down the same road in terms of quitting their jobs if they have to put up with this sort of crap.  Feel sorry for all staff in the NHS who take such abuse.  I would be fairly confident that 99% of those dishing out the bad manners / abuse are useless scumbags who would not know a days work if it slapped them in the face.
In Britain the NHS has a nurse deficit of 67,000 so it is happening already.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on December 13, 2023, 11:14:20 AM
They can't staff it and they won't make it more appealing by giving the people in it pay rises yet in theory they should have the money for let's say the extra 67,000 nurses for example. Makes no sense how it works at all - driving people out of those professions. Lots of noble people who see it as a vocation will be pushed out - the kind of people that would be needed.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 12:48:07 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


Educating the kids of those families is so important, its a small window of opportunity to get them to have a changed mindset to their parents but the odds are stacked against them
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lenny on December 13, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This attitude is one of the major reasons society is in the state it's in. The hard right and extremely wealthy have convinced lots of ordinary working people that the relatively small number of people on benefits are costing everyone else. The simple fact is the vast majority of people on benefits are there legitimately and are living on the breadline. We all may know the odd exception but it's the exception that proves the rule. A much bigger issue in society is the big number of extremely wealthy people who find all sorts of ways of avoiding paying their taxes. I've read recently that this costs the exchequer around 5 times as much as all the benefits paid out. Those are the real cheats who cost the public the necessary funds to provide good public services and the nhs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 13, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This attitude is one of the major reasons society is in the state it's in. The hard right and extremely wealthy have convinced lots of ordinary working people that the relatively small number of people on benefits are costing everyone else. The simple fact is the vast majority of people on benefits are there legitimately and are living on the breadline. We all may know the odd exception but it's the exception that proves the rule. A much bigger issue in society is the big number of extremely wealthy people who find all sorts of ways of avoiding paying their taxes. I've read recently that this costs the exchequer around 5 times as much as all the benefits paid out. Those are the real cheats who cost the public the necessary funds to provide good public services and the nhs.

The law needs changing to ensure that the proper tax is paid.. if there is methods to claim back tax or get tax benefits then they ain't doing anything wrong?

If they have been fraudulent in filling in a tax return then it's on HMRC to investigate.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 13, 2023, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 13, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This attitude is one of the major reasons society is in the state it's in. The hard right and extremely wealthy have convinced lots of ordinary working people that the relatively small number of people on benefits are costing everyone else. The simple fact is the vast majority of people on benefits are there legitimately and are living on the breadline. We all may know the odd exception but it's the exception that proves the rule. A much bigger issue in society is the big number of extremely wealthy people who find all sorts of ways of avoiding paying their taxes. I've read recently that this costs the exchequer around 5 times as much as all the benefits paid out. Those are the real cheats who cost the public the necessary funds to provide good public services and the nhs.

The law needs changing to ensure that the proper tax is paid.. if there is methods to claim back tax or get tax benefits then they ain't doing anything wrong?

If they have been fraudulent in filling in a tax return then it's on HMRC to investigate.



Drove through Skeoge in Derry the other week on the way to Letterkenny.  All social (free) housing around that area but not a bad car around the place.  Plus guarantee you the majority of them people would have a foreign holiday every year.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Puckoon on December 13, 2023, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Absolutely. Yet there was social uproar earlier this year when the peelers were discussing carrying Tazers, they were deemed to be too dangerous to be deployed by the cops FFS!

Somewhere between the heavily armed US police approach, where you may get shot in the wrong - and this softly softly cater to the dregs of society approach in the UK lies the key. However the social fabrics in each society prevent them from moving away from the status quo to something that more adequately addresses the challenges faced by those in public service (health care, retail etc...). Listened to a man from Limerick today discussing the rampant shoplifting and abuse of small business owners, its brutal what's happening there, and even in Dublin with those scumbags after the stabbing attack.

If someone intent on destroying your livlihood came face to face with a shotgun, they may think twice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on December 13, 2023, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: lenny on December 13, 2023, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This attitude is one of the major reasons society is in the state it's in. The hard right and extremely wealthy have convinced lots of ordinary working people that the relatively small number of people on benefits are costing everyone else. The simple fact is the vast majority of people on benefits are there legitimately and are living on the breadline. We all may know the odd exception but it's the exception that proves the rule. A much bigger issue in society is the big number of extremely wealthy people who find all sorts of ways of avoiding paying their taxes. I've read recently that this costs the exchequer around 5 times as much as all the benefits paid out. Those are the real cheats who cost the public the necessary funds to provide good public services and the nhs.

The law needs changing to ensure that the proper tax is paid.. if there is methods to claim back tax or get tax benefits then they ain't doing anything wrong?

If they have been fraudulent in filling in a tax return then it's on HMRC to investigate.



Drove through Skeoge in Derry the other week on the way to Letterkenny.  All social (free) housing around that area but not a bad car around the place.  Plus guarantee you the majority of them people would have a foreign holiday every year.

An Audi and Mercedes parked along side the towing caravan or campervan outside these houses, but all inhabited by single mothers. I'm not sure if there's folk on this planet as good as playing the system as Derry folk 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on December 13, 2023, 07:50:37 PM
Not be long now ...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2023, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 13, 2023, 07:48:49 PMI dare say the fat cats Lenny mentions above would have something to say about that.

We are a society that begrudges the poor man a fiver but happily accepts the rich man taking millions.

Dare I ask, do you envy these people? Do you wish it was you?

Sure people begrudge lads earning some coin while taking teams!

The worlds fucked
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 13, 2023, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 13, 2023, 07:50:37 PMNot be long now ...

Hard to fill the days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 14, 2023, 07:27:49 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 13, 2023, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on December 13, 2023, 07:50:37 PMNot be long now ...

Hard to fill the days.

Thursday 21st for me until Monday the  8th.  Just enough time to get rid of the hangover around New Years.

Anyone have any Christmas films they could recommend to watch with about 30 9 year olds? Ones which they might not have seen?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 14, 2023, 07:40:36 AM
Bad Santa is a fun-filled 2 hrs for all the family.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 14, 2023, 07:56:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 14, 2023, 07:40:36 AMBad Santa is a fun-filled 2 hrs for all the family.
Watched that last Christmas. A big pile of balls.

Sorry got that confused with the Santa film where he kills everyone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 14, 2023, 08:44:37 AM
Violent night!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on December 14, 2023, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.


Your correct. I used to think going into edication
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 
Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

Your correct.

I used to think going to become a teacher I could change kids lives. Nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on December 14, 2023, 11:19:21 AM
Rich social welfare recipients is a trope. Derry city is the poorest region in the North for political reasons, cut off from its Donegal hinterland and ignored by Belfast.The real enemy is the rich. As ever.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: gallsman on December 14, 2023, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on December 14, 2023, 11:03:41 AMYour correct

I used to think going to become a teacher I could change kids lives. Nearly impossible.

Maybe if you could spell, you'd have a better chance of impacting their lives?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on December 14, 2023, 11:28:51 AM
P7 teacher put Pretty Woman on for us back in the day.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on December 14, 2023, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 14, 2023, 11:28:51 AMP7 teacher put Pretty Woman on for us back in the day.


We had the original Predator. Don't think the teacher knew what it was. Just left us to it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on December 14, 2023, 03:12:08 PM

Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AMThis is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

Teachers can do a lot of good, while not not being able to fully overcome the effect of negligent parents.


Quote from: trueblue1234 on December 14, 2023, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 14, 2023, 11:28:51 AMP7 teacher put Pretty Woman on for us back in the day.


We had the original Predator. Don't think the teacher knew what it was. Just left us to it.

There wasn't as much awareness of predators in those days.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 14, 2023, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Spot on.

Those who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on December 14, 2023, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: LC on December 14, 2023, 05:51:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Spot on.

Those who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.
Sounds harsh and you'll probably get abuse for stereotyping but it's 100% true in my experience.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on December 14, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: LC on December 14, 2023, 05:51:33 PMThose who grow up in the countryside that have little or nothing are raised in a manner that if you want anything you have to earn it / work for it.  In the urban working class (work shy) areas children are raised with a sense of entitlement.

In a variation on this theme, in urban areas there are gathered together people who are raised with a sense of entitlement in dysfunctional districts who expect other people to fund their lifestyle.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 15, 2023, 10:34:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7McafOeUyxc
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on December 15, 2023, 07:41:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 15, 2023, 09:02:21 AMEntitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

I'm not sure what you're getting at?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: LC on December 15, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 15, 2023, 09:02:21 AMEntitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

The thing that annoys me is that people who purport most to be working class are actually those who are most averse to actually doing an honest days work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 15, 2023, 09:25:53 PM
Can we not just agree that there are great, terrible and decent people in every class.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on December 15, 2023, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 03:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 14, 2023, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: LC on December 13, 2023, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 13, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PMEvery A&E should have security and if you lay a finger on staff you get lifted by the peelers without treatment.

Automatic custodial sentence.
Fines starting at £1000 for verbal abuse and upwards
If you're on any sort of benefits you automatically lose them.

Should carry a very high punishment. Absolutely no call for it.

Force them to go out and get a job, that will fairly put the frighteners on them.

Really worry for society at times, for every pair of scum bags that get together and have wains they are raising  people with the same morals and sense of entitlement when it comes to benefits, housing and relationship with work or lack of.


This is so true. Monkey see, monkey do and all that. You can write the future of a lot of children by looking at the parents bringing them up. 

But it must be rewarding when you break the cycle?

I taught engineering to 16 year olds up to 19 year olds..

The greatest pleasure was seeing some bad ass kids who left schools like Mount Gilbert on the Shankill and turning them into engineers.

Christ it wasn't easy, I remember one time a lad had missed classes and work, me and the admin girl (who's local) called to the house, the front door open parents lying full drunk in battered sofas and him upstairs playing on a PlayStation.

Got him back on track and he finished up with a level three qualification, an apprenticeship, with a works van and moved into his own accommodation.

There were numerous occasions of those stories but unfortunately there were so many that didn't finish the same.

I think it's an impossible job at times but what's the answer?

I'd say in ten or twenty years you'll have a massive problem with recruiting teachers, and then retention.

I'd never encourage my kids to go into education

I am sure like most teachers on here we could tell a million different stories. One that really upset me this year was a young lad I taught in P5 and P6 years who took his own life. 15 years of age. He was a troubled young lad and of course his family background was what you'd imagine it would be with drugs and drink all playing a prominent role. The family had all the help that the school could possible offer them. Counselling, after school clubs, teaching the parents how to cook etc. All free of charge but they never engaged in it. The young lad had a behaviour assistant and was always getting himself into trouble in school. But I'd an awful soft spot for him. He loved the male teachers and loved his behaviour assistant for all the hassle he gave her. That lady who worked with him went home many nights crying her eyes out with worry, she tried to look after him like he was her own son. Anyone that looked the wrong way at her, he was over trying to sort the person out with a dig on the face. Hard work but the young fella just wanted loved and given the attention that adults in his home life weren't providing. That family were given every opportunity to turn things around but simply couldn't be bothered and in turn their children followed suit. An awful tragedy.

Another single mother had 6 children to 6 different men. The oldest was about 13 ffs. And another parent from that that class of mine couldn't afford to send her child on the school trip but was on Facebook the next week boasting about her boob job she got in Lithuania. I could honestly talk all day about the stuff that went on in that town.

I eventually left and got a job close to home in the countryside and I have more or less nothing like that to deal with. My school gets less handouts, less money, less courses, less from 3G pitches (seemed to be one on every corner of the town I worked in) less of everything but the parents are all from good hard working backgrounds themselves so in turn their children are hardworking and likely to go on and do well in life.

Are you saying children from the country are generally more hardworking and every one of their parents are good hard working? Whatever the hell that means?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Armagh18 on December 16, 2023, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 16, 2023, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on December 15, 2023, 07:41:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 15, 2023, 09:02:21 AMEntitlement is a word often used to beat the working class over the head with. The fact is that there are entitled people equally spread across all walks of society.
Since we are on the teachers thread, you only have to look at the appeals, legal action, or the continuous threats of etc etc that the south Belfast grammar schools face every year because some little darling didn't merit a place in the school. He must get a place. He is entitled to a place.
Then look at the upper echelons. I imagine I need not point out the entitlement that drips from every pore.

But we quite often ignore that. For a simple reason. It's is bullying on the socioeconomic playground.
We have decided to ourselves that we are better than someone else and we need to let the world know this so we punch down on these people at every given opportunity. It makes us feel better about ourselves also. We rarely punch up. In our heart of hearts we realise that we are hypocritical, that we let other off lightly for the same or worse. But we have to. We have constructed our own place in society and we know to look down on some and look up to others.
It's human nature. Though, is it right?

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

This....

Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 15, 2023, 09:25:53 PMCan we not just agree that there are great, terrible and decent people in every class.
But the working class, the poorest in society are often the easy target.
They're often the ones that aren't actually working as well!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PM
Bit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on December 25, 2023, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PMBit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

They get double time.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PMBit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

It's a yearly pay, paid monthly
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PMBit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

It's a yearly pay, paid monthly

So nothing extra then.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PMBit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

It's a yearly pay, paid monthly

So nothing extra then.

Every month is the same, no overtime
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 25, 2023, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 25, 2023, 10:42:24 PMBit random but do teachers get paid holiday pay when off, say 2 weeks at Christmas or is it just their normal pay during holidays (when they're off)?

It's a yearly pay, paid monthly

So nothing extra then.

Every month is the same, no overtime

Ok. Thanks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on February 23, 2024, 09:29:51 AM
Teaching union leader on the radio saying 50% of schools are in the red, spending more money than they have in their budget.
So that presumably means 50% of schools are not spending more than they have coming in. How is that? 

Are some principals spending away beyond their means and others aren't? E.g holding onto staff.
Are principals given any training on finances and budgets?
Are some schools great at fundraising?
What else are the factors?

It's odd that half the schools are managing (extremely difficult no doubt), and half aren't.  Perhaps even seems unfair that one school is busting their gut to stay inside budget, and the next one is merrily running up a deficit.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 23, 2024, 09:37:21 AM
In what I work in if you're good at your job you're made a manager which is a completely different skillset. School principals are probably good at educating and then fall into a role where they need to be good at raising money. Feels like a very different skillset again...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 23, 2024, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 23, 2024, 09:29:51 AMTeaching union leader on the radio saying 50% of schools are in the red, spending more money than they have in their budget.
So that presumably means 50% of schools are not spending more than they have coming in. How is that? 

Are some principals spending away beyond their means and others aren't? E.g holding onto staff.
Are principals given any training on finances and budgets?
Are some schools great at fundraising?
What else are the factors?

It's odd that half the schools are managing (extremely difficult no doubt), and half aren't.  Perhaps even seems unfair that one school is busting their gut to stay inside budget, and the next one is merrily running up a deficit.


There are many reasons why some schools may be spending more than other schools. A younger staff means less wages. If you have a lot of EAL children then you will have more money per child to spend. Maybe there is a number of difficult children who need specialist support and that will need to come out of a budget. Schools in some areas don't get access to grants etc as they're seen to come from more affluent areas than their inner city or town counterparts. Every school is different and money needs to be spent in different ways. I have no doubt there are many principals who are more savvy with how they spend or save money but it's not just as clear cut or simple as your post suggests.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 23, 2024, 04:38:07 PM
One example
Two Belfast schools that are two miles from each other; The schools have approx same number of pupils / classes  and teachers.One school with significantly higher Free School Meals entitlement, it receives £100 000 more in its budget allocation than the other school.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2024, 10:38:23 AM
My wife has a budget for printing, if she's over that budget she pays for it out of her own pocket.

She's regularly paying to print stuff as the budget given is never near enough..

Schools are fecked
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 24, 2024, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2024, 10:38:23 AMSchools are fecked

The one thing that the DUP and SF can agree on is that they shouldn't spend money on education.

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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PM
Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on February 24, 2024, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

Dream on. Wages will be going UP !!!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 25, 2024, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.
I wouldn't be cutting wages but the old boys club for sub teachers is definitely an issue. Pension *and* top dollar for subbing when there are young people with fresh ideas itching to get started.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

Older teachers are reluctant to retire due to actuarial reductions of 5% per year from 55 on their pension pot and unacceptable to reduce further and most of the young teachers are in the Middle East, cleaning up in a tax free economy !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on February 25, 2024, 10:30:02 PM
How about cutting out the bureaucrats in the education authority, department of education and CCMS. And leaving the teachers alone to get on with their job.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 10:40:42 PM
Teaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 10:40:42 PMTeaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.
Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 11:45:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 10:40:42 PMTeaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.
Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.

I'd say its an outlier in the NI Public Sector tbh, you can't get away with it in most PS organisations.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 25, 2024, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 11:45:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 25, 2024, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 25, 2024, 10:40:42 PMTeaching in NI needs root & branch reform. The nepotism and who you know hiring practices that go on in some places are a joke, probably unlawful too.
Not that I disagree with you but if that demands root & branch reform, the whole world would need ripped up and started again because it's absolutely everywhere.

I'd say its an outlier in the NI Public Sector tbh, you can't get away with it in most PS organisations.
100%. In the modern workplace there is no place for jobs for the boys or if you're face fits because you're "known" to someone influential on a BoG. Handing out taxpayer-funded jobs to your mates is a different beast from somebody who has their own company and doss the same.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on February 26, 2024, 09:03:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

theres not too many teachers produced. There may be a lot of teachers in particular areas but there is a lack in other areas. Why scrap St Marys?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 26, 2024, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

Older teachers are not going to take early retirement in the North as DENI impose a 5% actuarial reduction each year after 55 to a teacher's pension.
Reducing the Employers contribution is not going to happen as a result.
The only alternative is to restart the ' Refreshing the workforce ' scheme which did not apply the reduction to pensions.

Significant numbers of young teachers are in the Middle East, enjoying the benefits of a tax free economy, so there are vacancies North & South in specialist subject teaching and getting a sub is difficult.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Saffrongael on February 26, 2024, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 26, 2024, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

Older teachers are not going to take early retirement in North as DENI impose a 5% actuarial reduction each year after 55 to a teacher's pension.
Reducing the Employers contribution is not going to happen as a result.
The only alternative is to restart the ' Refreshing the workforce ' scheme which dud not apply the reduction to pensions

Significant numbers of young teachers are in the Middle East, enjoying the benefits if a tax free economy, so there are vacancies North & South in specialist subject teaching and getting a sub is difficult.


That's not exclusive to teachers though that reduction is it ? It's the case for any public sector pension, you don't expect the full pension at 55, do you ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 09:41:12 AM
I would say my wife would take a 'deal' and leave teaching at 55 if something was available that didn't impact her too much further down the line..

She loves teaching but not all the crap that comes with it, in her 27 odd years of teaching its getting worse year on year, the 'benefits' of summer months and 'big' pensions is getting less and less of a reason to become a teacher, as the summer months are getting shorter and the pensions are getting less

She'd never recommend it as a job to get into
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 26, 2024, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 26, 2024, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 26, 2024, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2024, 12:02:37 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 25, 2024, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 25, 2024, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 24, 2024, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 24, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

Wage cuts?

They'll be queuing up for that opportunity ...their about to get pay parity with UK ..so I'm sure it'll happen
For Christ's sake, Delgany. I appreciate you are trying to reveal the depths education has fallen to but please try to keep some standards.

You gotta cut your cloth. If a business is struggling there is wage cuts across the board. Teachers need to carry some of the load here. 

Apologies Duine

..so Trailer...if you cut the teaching staff...what do you suggest, the school does with the children, put them in classes of 50 ....Good result for you !

Country coming down with teachers.
Retire older teachers and replace with cheaper youth.
Cut their employers pension contributions
No effect to their take home pay.

Fair solution.

The country is not coming down with teachers, perhaps some backward areas are. In Dublin, there are plenty of schools that cannot get teachers.

Dublin is an outlier because of the cost of living.
We need to be honest with people. There are far far too many teachers produced. It's attractive for it's work life balance and huge pension.
The Department of Education in the North anyway is living far beyond it's means. Teachers should be willing to make sacrifices like the ones I have outlined above to make ends meet. And provide a world class education for its pupils.

St Mary's teacher training college needs scrapped as well. 

Older teachers are not going to take early retirement in the North as DENI impose a 5% actuarial reduction each year after 55 to a teacher's pension.
Reducing the Employers contribution is not going to happen as a result.
The only alternative is to restart the ' Refreshing the workforce ' scheme which did not apply the reduction to pensions.

Significant numbers of young teachers are in the Middle East, enjoying the benefits of a tax free economy, so there are vacancies North & South in specialist subject teaching and getting a sub is difficult.


Employer (Tax payer i.e. Me) contributions to a teacher's pension is 29.1%
You can moan about pay all day long but you ain't getting that in the Middle East or any private employer.
Just be honest with the public. You all took the pandemic off because you were all on the front line fighting Russia or something (that's what it sounded like anyway). Public sympathy for teachers is very very thin.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 10:43:14 AM
To be fair trailer, you are talking out your hole

Teachers didn't take off because of the pandemic, the government did that, and if you think the having 30 plus kids in a class during that period was healthy you are again talking out your hole

Public sympathy for anyone working for the public sector has always been poor, private sector also doesn't cover itself in glory when business go tits up and expect the public to absorb their losses (the banks for one)

The line, "I'm paying your wages" gets used a lot, most saying it are probably on the dole and no one is stopping anyone one in the private sector from topping up their pensions or putting money aside while working

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on February 26, 2024, 10:45:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 10:43:14 AMTo be fair trailer, you are talking out your hole

 ;D  poetic
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 26, 2024, 11:28:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 10:43:14 AMTo be fair trailer, you are talking out your hole

Teachers didn't take off because of the pandemic, the government did that, and if you think the having 30 plus kids in a class during that period was healthy you are again talking out your hole

Public sympathy for anyone working for the public sector has always been poor, private sector also doesn't cover itself in glory when business go tits up and expect the public to absorb their losses (the banks for one)

The line, "I'm paying your wages" gets used a lot, most saying it are probably on the dole and no one is stopping anyone one in the private sector from topping up their pensions or putting money aside while working



You'd make a shite teacher.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 26, 2024, 07:29:54 PM
Any word when teachers will be getting their pay rise and back dated payouts?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 26, 2024, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.

Schools are underfunded is the reality of the situation. They are accountable to the Education Authority on a yearly basis but the EA accept that schools have no room to reduce costs.

E.g. schools have to compile with class size policies!

Certainly £5000 a head would be great!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: p3427977 on February 26, 2024, 09:25:56 PM
How can a school run up a deficit? Does it have access to credit?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 26, 2024, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.

Schools are underfunded is the reality of the situation. They are accountable to the Education Authority on a yearly basis but the EA accept that schools have no room to reduce costs.

E.g. schools have to compile with class size policies!

Certainly £5000 a head would be great!

That's simply not true.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2024, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
Where are these teachers being laid off?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 27, 2024, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2024, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
Where are these teachers being laid off?

Just another example of untruths from Teachers. Be honest with the public. That's all we're asking.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 01:50:26 PM
What untruths are you specifically referring to ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 27, 2024, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2024, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
Where are these teachers being laid off?
Those on temporary contracts being told there is no job for them the following year? Common enough practice.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PM
I have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PMI have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.

It can be disheartening but he should stick with it.

A few pointers...
If he has worked in the exact same job for 3 years, he should be aware that after 4 years on a temporary contract, he has the right to be made permanent.

With 3 years experience, he should be getting  through to shortlisting stage for jobs.

His temporary pay includes holiday pay allowance.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Franko on February 27, 2024, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PMI have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.

Genuine question.

If there is such a shortage of young teachers, then how is it that there are such a number of young teachers stuck on temporary contracts and unable to secure a permanent post?

What am I missing here, because I can't see any explanation for this glaring discrepancy?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 27, 2024, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PMI have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.

It can be disheartening but he should stick with it.

A few pointers...
If he has worked in the exact same job for 3 years, he should be aware that after 4 years on a temporary contract, he has the right to be made permanent.

With 3 years experience, he should be getting  through to shortlisting stage for jobs.

His temporary pay includes holiday pay allowance.




As an aside - He's also not talking to the right lender if he cant get a mortgage as I've a relation got one while temporary. Both of them were temporary actually
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on February 27, 2024, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.

Principals can spend money, but ultimately the board of governors are responsible and a principal answers to them. Generally a BOG will have a finance officer or committee.
If a school runs up a huge deficit, I'd argue it's not all the fault of the principal, it's more of a governance issue.
From what I've seen in schools, the majority of principals are ex teachers who don't have the skillset to manage a business. BOG members, are usually volunteers who will do a certain amount, but don't want to get too involved. A combination of both scenarios are probably a major factor in schools and defecits, BUT schools are underfunded so that compounds the issues.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on February 27, 2024, 04:36:57 PM
Why would you want to be on a BOG for a school?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 07:17:59 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 27, 2024, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PMI have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.

Genuine question.

If there is such a shortage of young teachers, then how is it that there are such a number of young teachers stuck on temporary contracts and unable to secure a permanent post?

What am I missing here, because I can't see any explanation for this glaring discrepancy?

The main factor is that schools are underfunded and funding is only decided on an yearly basis, so no long term planning option
2nd issue is that school year is not aligned to financial year
3rd - school pupil numbers can fluctuate / in secondary - Subject choices at GCSE & A level can vary.
4th - temporary variations in contract by permanent staff

So, schools use temporary contracts to manage a changing financial situation
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 07:29:26 PM
]Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets. [/b]

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !
[/quote]

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
[/quote]
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't
[/quote]
Quote from: tbrick18 on February 27, 2024, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.

Principals can spend money, but ultimately the board of governors are responsible and a
Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
[/quote]
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
[/quote]

Principals can spend money, but ultimately the board of governors are responsible and a principal answers to them. Generally a BOG will have a finance officer or committee.
If a school runs up a huge deficit, I'd argue it's not all the fault of the principal, it's more of a governance issue.
From what I've seen in schools, the majority of principals are ex teachers who don't have the skillset to manage a business. BOG members, are usually volunteers who will do a certain amount, but don't want to get too involved. A combination of both scenarios are probably a major factor in schools and defecits, BUT schools are underfunded so that compounds the issues.
[/quote]

What have you seen in schools, then?

When schools are properly funded they will generally be in surplus but it is very difficult at the minute.

Also , teachers & non teaching salaries account for 90 - 95% of budget allocation. The Education Authority undertake all the financial planning. Grammar schools have a bursar to manage finances ! So Principals & BOG have little input !

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PM
Anyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 27, 2024, 08:26:16 PM
Principals in big secondary schools can be assh0les to young teachers in terms of contracts and hours
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mario on February 27, 2024, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
There are definitely lower paid jobs. I think you'd be surprised to learn what the average solicitor or engineer earns in NI.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Mario on February 27, 2024, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
There are definitely lower paid jobs. I think you'd be surprised to learn what the average solicitor or engineer earns in NI.

Less than £35 grand a year? Not starting rate but with experience?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on February 27, 2024, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Mario on February 27, 2024, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
There are definitely lower paid jobs. I think you'd be surprised to learn what the average solicitor or engineer earns in NI.

Less than £35 grand a year? Not starting rate but with experience?
I must say the £65k a year researcher jobs at the Assembly caught my eye. Or I could be an usher at the Assembly for £27k a year. Definitely handier than starting out as a teacher.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2024, 11:45:35 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 27, 2024, 09:46:04 PMI must say the £65k a year researcher jobs at the Assembly caught my eye. Or I could be an usher at the Assembly for £27k a year. Definitely handier than starting out as a teacher.

The latter job has some occasional issues
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Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2024, 11:46:59 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 27, 2024, 11:45:35 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 27, 2024, 09:46:04 PMI must say the £65k a year researcher jobs at the Assembly caught my eye. Or I could be an usher at the Assembly for £27k a year. Definitely handier than starting out as a teacher.

The latter job has some occasional issues
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/104D7/production/_104857766_michaelstone.jpg)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Rois on February 28, 2024, 06:34:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
Accounting - trainees in the north get buttons
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tonto1888 on February 28, 2024, 07:29:35 AM
Quote from: Franko on February 27, 2024, 04:13:04 PM
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on February 27, 2024, 03:34:18 PMI have a son who is a teacher, temporary contract from September to June, does not get paid for A/L, going on 3 years now. Therefore does not get paid for three months of the yea. He is seriously considering leaving the profession. Can't get a mortgage as job is not secure. The number of friends he knows on similar situation.

Genuine question.

If there is such a shortage of young teachers, then how is it that there are such a number of young teachers stuck on temporary contracts and unable to secure a permanent post?

What am I missing here, because I can't see any explanation for this glaring discrepancy?

its a loophole which, to be honest, needs closing. I had a friend who was in the same situation for a number of years before getting a permanent post
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 28, 2024, 08:22:17 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 28, 2024, 06:34:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
Accounting - trainees in the north get buttons
Most trainees will start low but accounting trainees do seem to be the poor cousins for professional careers. But it does move up consistently with experience. And at 4-5 years is usually a guaranteed reasonable salary. I think it's a fair model to be honest. Some engineer graduates are starting positions at nearly £30k. I think that's too high to be honest for a fresh grad.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 28, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Software engineering can be 30-35k which yeah for grads is too high. Then you have people expecting 50+k with about 2 years experience and can't understand why they won't get it...
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 09:03:52 AM
Quote from: Rois on February 28, 2024, 06:34:47 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2024, 07:30:12 PMAnyone that goes into teaching will struggle financially.. is there a lower paid degree course job?

i.e if I did law became solicitor/barrister/corporate law?

Engineer degree and so on?
Accounting - trainees in the north get buttons

I remember the wife started for a accountancy firm in Belfast when she left college, they were paying her buttons as a tax trainee, though potentially the money would have been a lot better after she completed her exams, when she informed them that she was going to leave and do a teaching degree, they doubled her salary lol!

I get that there are types of graduate jobs that will be low paying at the start, but once you get your professional exams that will far exceed a teachers wage
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 28, 2024, 09:55:11 AM
Eye4education labour Market information gives a great insight into under / over supplied career options
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 28, 2024, 10:09:52 AM
I dont think any young person would regret doing a degree in engineering (broad spectrum) or software eng.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 28, 2024, 10:11:22 AM
So reading few posts from above. Principals are laying teachers off all over the place and yet there is also a shortage of teachers.

Teaching is the craziest industry ever.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: 5times5times on February 28, 2024, 10:26:35 AM
A big problem in the occupied 6 is, retired teachers are being hired as part-timers in schools, when recent grads are sitting idle.

At god knows what daily rate.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on February 28, 2024, 11:16:37 AM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 27, 2024, 07:29:26 PM]Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets. [/b]

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
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This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't
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Quote from: tbrick18 on February 27, 2024, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 26, 2024, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on February 26, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on February 24, 2024, 03:05:21 PMGoing by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.

Principals can spend money, but ultimately the board of governors are responsible and a
Going by news stories this week, English schools are broke as well with SEN  spending through the roof. Scotland the biggest spenders per pupil.

Funding in NI would need to increase by £500 per pupil for schools to balance their budgets.

The thing to remember is whether a school has a deficit or not  , it's not going to close anytime soon !

It wouldn't matter if funding increased by £500 or £5,000 per pupil; some schools will stay within budget and others will continue to massively overspend. Because there is no accountability. Some of the overspends in schools are absolutely scandalous. Deficits in controlled schools are roughly twice those in maintained schools. And some very high profile principals are among the worst offenders; two have relatively recently moved on to higher profile, more "prestigious" positions, leaving combined debts in the region of £2 million. There's plenty of scope to increase class sizes, amount of teacher contact time and reduce financial burden of management structures in many schools. I know of one school whose staffing is so bloated that it is used as an example of what not to do and, even then, nothing is done about it.

Until principals and governors are held to account for school budget deficits, we will continue to see massive wastage.
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This is what I wondered about when the teaching union fella on the radio said 50% of schools have run up deficits, and therefore presumably 50% haven't.  Various excuses were posted on here, but I can't help wonder are some principals just spending away irresponsibly with no regard whatsoever for the consequences.  Which seems damned unfair on principals who are running a tight financial ship. 

For example principal A lays off a teacher to balance the books, but class size increases and parents aren't happy.
Principal B in the same position holds onto the teacher and runs up the deficit - no complaints here from the parents, but up goes the deficit and seemingly no accountability for that.

That's not a good system.
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Principals can spend money, but ultimately the board of governors are responsible and a principal answers to them. Generally a BOG will have a finance officer or committee.
If a school runs up a huge deficit, I'd argue it's not all the fault of the principal, it's more of a governance issue.
From what I've seen in schools, the majority of principals are ex teachers who don't have the skillset to manage a business. BOG members, are usually volunteers who will do a certain amount, but don't want to get too involved. A combination of both scenarios are probably a major factor in schools and defecits, BUT schools are underfunded so that compounds the issues.
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What have you seen in schools, then?

When schools are properly funded they will generally be in surplus but it is very difficult at the minute.

Also , teachers & non teaching salaries account for 90 - 95% of budget allocation. The Education Authority undertake all the financial planning. Grammar schools have a bursar to manage finances ! So Principals & BOG have little input !


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I used to be on a BOG for a primary school - so not close to what happens in Grammar schools, just assumed the governance structures would be similar.

What I've specifically seen in one school, is a principal who spent a lot of money (sometimes funding money meant for one purpose spent on other things), the school getting into financial stress shall we say, and the principal's answer was do take on more children with special needs (as they get more funding) whilst reducing the classroom assistant hours/cleaning hours/kitchen staff hours. Resulting in teachers doing non-teaching tasks like cleaning and not being able to meet the needs of all the SEN children.
Parental complains to BOG made the finance committee put extra governance around the principal's spending power and decision making, but in general it was a total mess.
Kids not getting what they need (primary function of a school), teachers being asked to do unrealistic tasks and the school running a deficit. The under funding compounded the problem, of course, and even everything had been controlled well there still was likely to be a deficit issue, but due to poor governance before I joined the school was on it's a*s.

Appreciate it might not be the same everywhere, but from what I see principals are they are generally former teachers. What experience would they realistically have managing finances of an organisation? IMO, it should be extracted away from a principal and a professional accountant be a mandatory member of the BOG in schools. It won't fix the issue, but shuould reduce issues occurring due to poor management and governance.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:49:07 PM
I don't think a teacher just randomly rocks up to being a principle

They have to do the principle which no doubt covers the managing of the school, I'd say (I hope) that it would cover a lot of aspects or the finances and budgeting requirements needed to run schools.

Not sure of any school that has a principle that isn't from an educational background, as the criteria would/should have educational background in it.

I always wondered (outside of doing the interviews) what BOG's did and what real active involvement in regards to funds and budgeting they had
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 28, 2024, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:49:07 PMI don't think a teacher just randomly rocks up to being a principle

They have to do the principle which no doubt covers the managing of the school, I'd say (I hope) that it would cover a lot of aspects or the finances and budgeting requirements needed to run schools.

Not sure of any school that has a principle that isn't from an educational background, as the criteria would/should have educational background in it.

I always wondered (outside of doing the interviews) what BOG's did and what real active involvement in regards to funds and budgeting they had

Perhaps they rock up to be a Principal.
Like I said, you'd be a shite teacher
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2024, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:49:07 PMI don't think a teacher just randomly rocks up to being a principle

They have to do the principle which no doubt covers the managing of the school, I'd say (I hope) that it would cover a lot of aspects or the finances and budgeting requirements needed to run schools.

Not sure of any school that has a principle that isn't from an educational background, as the criteria would/should have educational background in it.

I always wondered (outside of doing the interviews) what BOG's did and what real active involvement in regards to funds and budgeting they had

Perhaps they rock up to be a Principal.
Like I said, you'd be a shite teacher

How long will it take and how many misspells will I get from your previous posts?

I'm not teaching anymore as the money was crap ;)
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on February 28, 2024, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2024, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:49:07 PMI don't think a teacher just randomly rocks up to being a principle

They have to do the principle which no doubt covers the managing of the school, I'd say (I hope) that it would cover a lot of aspects or the finances and budgeting requirements needed to run schools.

Not sure of any school that has a principle that isn't from an educational background, as the criteria would/should have educational background in it.

I always wondered (outside of doing the interviews) what BOG's did and what real active involvement in regards to funds and budgeting they had

Perhaps they rock up to be a Principal.
Like I said, you'd be a shite teacher

How long will it take and how many misspells will I get from your previous posts?

I'm not teaching anymore as the money was crap ;)

Did you teach in primary or secondary ?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on February 28, 2024, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 28, 2024, 01:03:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 12:49:07 PMI don't think a teacher just randomly rocks up to being a principle

They have to do the principle which no doubt covers the managing of the school, I'd say (I hope) that it would cover a lot of aspects or the finances and budgeting requirements needed to run schools.

Not sure of any school that has a principle that isn't from an educational background, as the criteria would/should have educational background in it.

I always wondered (outside of doing the interviews) what BOG's did and what real active involvement in regards to funds and budgeting they had

Perhaps they rock up to be a Principal.
Like I said, you'd be a shite teacher

How long will it take and how many misspells will I get from your previous posts?

I'm not teaching anymore as the money was crap ;)

Did you teach in primary or secondary ?

College, engineering
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 05:35:06 PM
Be honest, have you ever met a teacher who wasn't a total w**ker? Even Mrs Milltown seems a right piece of work.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 06:04:25 PM
I hate her based on her choice of partner alone
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 06:04:25 PMI hate her based on her choice of partner alone


She doesn't even like me, but because of the teachers shitty wage, she's stuck ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 06:23:26 PM
About time the government paid these teachers more so that industrial action stops and inspectors can come in and wipe them out.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 28, 2024, 06:30:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 28, 2024, 06:23:26 PMAbout time the government paid these teachers more so that industrial action stops and inspectors can come in and wipe them out.
Sure they've been hiding in pre school provision and training centres for 4 years....they'll hardly start to September.Nothing to fear !
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 06:52:01 PM
That wife of mine was saying that in her school they mainly take on teachers as temps and if it works out give them full time work..

Very rarely do they have full time positions available

Anyone with kids looking to get into teaching, tell them not to bother.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: theticklemister on February 28, 2024, 07:31:20 PM
Ah Milltown. We get it alright. There are plenty out there who don't get even half of what we teachers get. Be thankful for what you got and stay humble.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 28, 2024, 08:18:12 PM
Deal with Principals every day, Good at day to day running of schools but not the ability to deal with massive financial situations espically with varying costs from year to year. I knew a school who gas bill increased 3 fold 2 yrs ago during the Urkaine crisis, the cost per month I couldn't believe. The bursars weren't much better either to be honest. School are in trouble has they are 25% underfunded to either close schools or force Integrated mergers. Sure why worry about money, we all on for paying for a overpriced casement Park.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2024, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 28, 2024, 08:18:12 PMDeal with Principals every day, Good at day to day running of schools but not the ability to deal with massive financial situations espically with varying costs from year to year. I knew a school who gas bill increased 3 fold 2 yrs ago during the Urkaine crisis, the cost per month I couldn't believe. The bursars weren't much better either to be honest. School are in trouble has they are 25% underfunded to either close schools or force Integrated mergers. Sure why worry about money, we all on for paying for a overpriced casement Park.

Schools are not all the same, one may have an older building and have a bigger increase in heating bills. The funding model may not accommodate these differences.

As for Casement, there is a plenty of money wasted other than that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 28, 2024, 07:31:20 PMAh Milltown. We get it alright. There are plenty out there who don't get even half of what we teachers get. Be thankful for what you got and stay humble.

Get what? Between the two of us there is nearly 40 years of education. These last 10 years based on various conversations and observations has been worst for the effort she's put in.

If it continues along this path it's not going to get any better.

She's been a great believer in teaching but she won't be recommending it to many.

As for being humble, wise up. I was highlighting how in NI that teachers are under paid
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 10:11:56 PM
Plenty be happy with their "shitty wage'
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 10:11:56 PMPlenty be happy with their "shitty wage'

England (excluding London) and Wales - £30,000 to £46,525. London - £31,350 to £47,839 (fringes), £34,514 to £51,179 (outer), £36,745 to £56,959 (inner) Scotland - £38,655 to £48,516 (from 1 January 2024) Northern Ireland - £24,137 to £41,094.

At least get some parity with the rest?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 28, 2024, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2024, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 28, 2024, 10:11:56 PMPlenty be happy with their "shitty wage'

England (excluding London) and Wales - £30,000 to £46,525. London - £31,350 to £47,839 (fringes), £34,514 to £51,179 (outer), £36,745 to £56,959 (inner) Scotland - £38,655 to £48,516 (from 1 January 2024) Northern Ireland - £24,137 to £41,094.

At least get some parity with the rest?
Parity is about to hit home.

Tell me the name of any 'business'that didn't experience difficulties around energy prices!

The vast majority of schools are realistically unable to use a business model that also delivers a public service. Education is relatively free to the users other than contributions for trips etc.
The level of funding for some schools is supplemented by capital fee contributions between £500 to £1400 or a few 'private' schools that charge upto £4k.per term. So cheer up and be thankful for what you get for 'free' ffs.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AM
Is this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on February 29, 2024, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?

Council tax v rates ?

Prescription charges

Water charges
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 29, 2024, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 29, 2024, 10:51:37 AM
Quote from: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?

Council tax v rates ?

Prescription charges

Water charges

Cost of living a lot less in NI. Widely accepted.
Another example of teachers massaging the truth to suit their own agenda.

So we have so far

Cost of living is the same in NI as England
Teachers being laid off
Shortage of teachers
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on February 29, 2024, 11:58:14 AM
They'd be safer sacking the whole show and start again. Get the army in to teach the children and the teachers!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on February 29, 2024, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 29, 2024, 11:58:14 AMThey'd be safer sacking the whole show and start again. Get the army in to teach the children and the teachers!

Army too expensive. Glorified creche at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: tbrick18 on February 29, 2024, 12:41:53 PM
Quote from: Mario on February 29, 2024, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 10:30:45 AMIs this pay parity not a bit of a red herring? Are all careers not better paid in the uk than here? I know in general on the engineering/ manufacturing side there is around at least a 10% uplift with similar roles in England (Not including London where it's sharper again). But cost of living here is much lower.


I agree with you that all careers are better paid in the UK but I don't think the argument that the cost of living is much lower holds anymore. Maybe in Rural NI with cheaper houses but not in the greater Belfast area.

House prices in Belfast are similar to many northern English cities, childcare costs here are higher here, going out is more expensive, bills probably the same, groceries more expensive. what exactly is cheaper here compared to Northern England, Scotland or Wales?

I would say in general cost of living here is more expensive than the rest of the UK (except London).
Our wages are generally less too which means we feel the pain more.
House prices in Rural NI are not cheap either.....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PM
Calling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:00:14 PM
Yeah the begrudgery here is off the scale. Don't get it at all.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2024, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:00:14 PMYeah the begrudgery here is off the scale. Don't get it at all.

Irish people.... the salt of the earth  ;D
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:19:41 PM
Some of it's quite vicious though which there's no need for. Yes there are some of the usual shit stirring culprits too but even at that.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2024, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 29, 2024, 01:19:41 PMSome of it's quite vicious though which there's no need for. Yes there are some of the usual shit stirring culprits too but even at that.

Someone had to mind their own kids during covid and didn't like it
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 29, 2024, 01:27:12 PM
Lookit... sure its great to wind them up!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on February 29, 2024, 06:06:33 PM

St Paddy's day holiday and then the Easter break.

Then they will let the exam pupils out on "study" leave in May and before long you will have June and then they get the paid 8 week vacation.


 
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on February 29, 2024, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 29, 2024, 06:06:33 PMSt Paddy's day holiday and then the Easter break.

Then they will let the exam pupils out on "study" leave in May and before long you will have June and then they get the paid 8 week vacation.


 
Super Work
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on February 29, 2024, 11:32:07 PM
Good to see a DUP spokesperson call out the Education Authority on BBC, although there'll be nothing done.  One thing I'm pretty sure of is that like other front line services, teachers and principals are over burdened by bureaucrats.  Between EA, Department of Education and CCMS, principals will have plenty of ridiculous red tape to wade through.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
Yet, pay parity is exactly what recent healthcare strikes were about and exactly what they received in their pay offer.

But, of course, you'll not call them out for "BS"....
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trueblue1234 on March 01, 2024, 07:37:35 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
Yet, pay parity is exactly what recent healthcare strikes were about and exactly what they received in their pay offer.

But, of course, you'll not call them out for "BS"....
I would. I think the pay parity with UK is bollix given most careers are paid less here in NI than the UK. As I said above about teachers, I'm not against them getting a rise, just don't think the argument should be based around pay parity, when it affects nearly all careers here.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AM
When they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 01, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 29, 2024, 11:32:07 PMGood to see a DUP spokesperson call out the Education Authority on BBC, although there'll be nothing done.  One thing I'm pretty sure of is that like other front line services, teachers and principals are over burdened by bureaucrats.  Between EA, Department of Education and CCMS, principals will have plenty of ridiculous red tape to wade through.

Civil servant departments are full of people who are completely unemployable in everyday life. Go to any of those CS office blocks and it's like the funny bus dropped everyone off. Clown school.

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

There are loads of good reasons for pay rises, rise in inflation is the general one, or would you feel that once you get a rise that's that?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:58:38 AM
Quote from: trailer on March 01, 2024, 08:47:54 AM
Quote from: Sportacus on February 29, 2024, 11:32:07 PMGood to see a DUP spokesperson call out the Education Authority on BBC, although there'll be nothing done.  One thing I'm pretty sure of is that like other front line services, teachers and principals are over burdened by bureaucrats.  Between EA, Department of Education and CCMS, principals will have plenty of ridiculous red tape to wade through.

Civil servant departments are full of people who are completely unemployable in everyday life. Go to any of those CS office blocks and it's like the funny bus dropped everyone off. Clown school.



I've worked in many engineering private sector jobs, and there are guys working their with little or no effort. But in union jobs, are as long as they get up in the morning they are sorted.. There are bluffers in most work places.

The problem with the CS is probably top heavy and too easy to coast along. Not sure if they have KPI's or job reviews.. I'm sure they do, but what happens afterwards?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: DownFanatic on March 01, 2024, 09:00:30 AM
There is obviously the pay dispute to settle but there is a lot more to be resolved too, namely workload agreements etc. Could be quite some time before the full settlement of all issues is sorted.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

That's the spirit, keep all the money in hands of the elites. Closet Tory
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

That's the spirit, keep all the money in hands of the elites. Closet Tory

Settle yourself, have no qualms about public sector workers receiving a fair salary.

Just come out and say you want more money, I remember someone from a train union in England last year just saying "we want to be paid more". At least he was honest.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

That's the spirit, keep all the money in hands of the elites. Closet Tory

Settle yourself, have no qualms about public sector workers receiving a fair salary.

Just come out and say you want more money, I remember someone from a train union in England last year just saying "we want to be paid more". At least he was honest.

That's exactly what they're after coco
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2024, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 01, 2024, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see

That's the spirit, keep all the money in hands of the elites. Closet Tory

Settle yourself, have no qualms about public sector workers receiving a fair salary.

Just come out and say you want more money, I remember someone from a train union in England last year just saying "we want to be paid more". At least he was honest.

That's exactly what they're after coco

What is the point of being occupied by the British if the feckers won't even pay you the British rate?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2024, 03:37:28 PM
Flegs.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 01, 2024, 04:39:48 PM
If you increased the salary you may attract a better quality of candidate into teaching
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: imtommygunn on March 01, 2024, 04:49:05 PM
Teaching aside that is the thing that pisses me off about the NHS. They won't offer good salaries for people that are potentially saving peoples lives. Also more specifically in the case of nurses they can't get half the staff they need to they surely have a surplus as there are vacancies galore to the best of my knowledge so use that to make the conditions bearable for  the people that are in it plus it'll make it more appealing to fill those vacancies. Almost like it's intentional running the thing down  >:(
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: GTP on March 01, 2024, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 29, 2024, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: GTP on February 29, 2024, 12:58:43 PMCalling for pay parity is an easy soundbite that Trade Unions can use to establish their position in negotiations.
Why anyone on here would begrudge teachers getting a pay rise or achieving pay parity with UK based teachers is beyond me. It is not an easy job and it is not handy for those working in schools.

But my point is most careers are lower paid here than UK. Doing the same work as them. I've nothing against teachers getting a rise but trying that argument is a bit of BS imo.

I agree teaching would be a tough career. But so is healthcare, engineering, finance, trades etc. and their all paid less than in the uk too.
I would not expect any settlement to achieve pay parity but it does give the unions a concise (if apparently unpopular on here) demand to government.  Also harder for government to argue against without portraying a negative image of NI. Teachers here have had no rise in pay for a number of years unlike counterparts in GB so discrepancies in pay have grown. Trying  to narrow or remove that gap for doing the same job is not unreasonable.
Maybe the DUP can start campaigning to remove the pay border in the Irish Sea so teachers, nurses, engineers and all the rest are paid equally.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 01, 2024, 04:39:48 PMIf you increased the salary you may attract a better quality of candidate into teaching
You'll always get people apply for it for the holidays regardless of salary.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 01, 2024, 04:39:48 PMIf you increased the salary you may attract a better quality of candidate into teaching
You'll always get people apply for it for the holidays regardless of salary.

Ya reckon? The holidays I think are  getting shorter over summer, last year she was in work earliest ever for summer..

Term time though is a huge advantage for young families
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 01, 2024, 04:39:48 PMIf you increased the salary you may attract a better quality of candidate into teaching
You'll always get people apply for it for the holidays regardless of salary.

Ya reckon? The holidays I think are  getting shorter over summer, last year she was in work earliest ever for summer..

Term time though is a huge advantage for young families
But (as you know) their holidays are a right pain in the hole for taking holidays when it's not roasting/expensive.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 01, 2024, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 01, 2024, 04:39:48 PMIf you increased the salary you may attract a better quality of candidate into teaching
You'll always get people apply for it for the holidays regardless of salary.

Ya reckon? The holidays I think are  getting shorter over summer, last year she was in work earliest ever for summer..

Term time though is a huge advantage for young families
But (as you know) their holidays are a right pain in the hole for taking holidays when it's not roasting/expensive.

It's is and that's the down side.

I'm hoping she'll retire soon..

Then it's just about getting the dogs sorted!!

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 01, 2024, 08:14:34 AMWhen they get pay parity I wonder what the next reason will be in a year or two ? Be interesting to see
Teaching Unions in England are currently conducting a consultative ballot regarding pay, workload, working hours & well-being.
Every chance the goalposts could be moved before teachers here get a look in.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 11, 2024, 03:11:41 PM
Huge pay offer for teachers.

The pay offer equates to a cumulative uplift of 10.4% plus £1,000 on teachers' pay scales over the three-year period of the settlement for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  In addition, the starting salary for teachers will rise to £30,000 from 1 September 2023, representing a 24.3% increase from the current starting salary for teachers in Northern Ireland and bringing the starting point equal to England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 11, 2024, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 03:11:41 PMHuge pay offer for teachers.

The pay offer equates to a cumulative uplift of 10.4% plus £1,000 on teachers' pay scales over the three-year period of the settlement for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  In addition, the starting salary for teachers will rise to £30,000 from 1 September 2023, representing a 24.3% increase from the current starting salary for teachers in Northern Ireland and bringing the starting point equal to England.

Double it and then we will talk
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Kidder81 on March 11, 2024, 03:42:20 PM
Not sure 10.4% over 3 years can be classed as "huge"
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: RedHand88 on March 11, 2024, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 11, 2024, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 03:11:41 PMHuge pay offer for teachers.

The pay offer equates to a cumulative uplift of 10.4% plus £1,000 on teachers' pay scales over the three-year period of the settlement for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  In addition, the starting salary for teachers will rise to £30,000 from 1 September 2023, representing a 24.3% increase from the current starting salary for teachers in Northern Ireland and bringing the starting point equal to England.

Double it and then we will talk

Why not just quadruple it sure.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on March 11, 2024, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 11, 2024, 03:42:20 PMNot sure 10.4% over 3 years can be classed as "huge"

it is the exact opposite, inflation in 2022-2023 was 17%.
The starting salary thing is of some use.

Is it backdated to 2021?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 11, 2024, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 11, 2024, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 03:11:41 PMHuge pay offer for teachers.

The pay offer equates to a cumulative uplift of 10.4% plus £1,000 on teachers' pay scales over the three-year period of the settlement for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  In addition, the starting salary for teachers will rise to £30,000 from 1 September 2023, representing a 24.3% increase from the current starting salary for teachers in Northern Ireland and bringing the starting point equal to England.

Double it and then we will talk

Honest question.
Would you take a cut to your pension contribution if it meant more money in your hand now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on March 11, 2024, 05:51:17 PM
I'm all for pay rises for front line workers. Pity though that so much public money is wasted on bluffers and red tape.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 11, 2024, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 11, 2024, 03:11:41 PMHuge pay offer for teachers.

The pay offer equates to a cumulative uplift of 10.4% plus £1,000 on teachers' pay scales over the three-year period of the settlement for 2021, 2022 and 2023.  In addition, the starting salary for teachers will rise to £30,000 from 1 September 2023, representing a 24.3% increase from the current starting salary for teachers in Northern Ireland and bringing the starting point equal to England.

Double it and then we will talk

Honest question.
Would you take a cut to your pension contribution if it meant more money in your hand now?
You know the answer.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PM
How much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


Young fella doing AS Levels at the min and he has no clue what he wants to do and he's average at everything! Could do worse than a 30 grand starter.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on March 11, 2024, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


Young fella doing AS Levels at the min and he has no clue what he wants to do and he's average at everything! Could do worse than a 30 grand starter.
But do you know the funny handshake to get him a job in a school??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: armaghniac on March 11, 2024, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


Young fella doing AS Levels at the min and he has no clue what he wants to do and he's average at everything! Could do worse than a 30 grand starter.

Can he teach though?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 11, 2024, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


Young fella doing AS Levels at the min and he has no clue what he wants to do and he's average at everything! Could do worse than a 30 grand starter.
But do you know the funny handshake to get him a job in a school??
Not that well connected unfortunately, although he has just said he has no interest!
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


It used to be possible to buy a house on a teacher's salary
Not any more
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: trailer on March 11, 2024, 09:25:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 11, 2024, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 11, 2024, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


Young fella doing AS Levels at the min and he has no clue what he wants to do and he's average at everything! Could do worse than a 30 grand starter.

Can he teach though?

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


It used to be possible to buy a house on a teacher's salary
Not any more

Anyone paid under £40,000 grand are homeless or renting?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


It used to be possible to buy a house on a teacher's salary
Not any more

Anyone paid under £40,000 grand are homeless or renting?
Teachers, police/gardai and civil servants in their 30s haven't a hope of buying until the next crash
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 11, 2024, 10:46:32 PM
I have 2 houses and I am a schoolmaster in my 30s
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 13, 2024, 10:22:48 PM
Are we voting Yes or No??
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 14, 2024, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 11, 2024, 10:46:32 PMI have 2 houses and I am a schoolmaster in my 30s

I've 4 houses and contemplating a 5th. Not sure what to do with the extra money.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: ONeill on March 14, 2024, 10:35:00 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 13, 2024, 10:22:48 PMAre we voting Yes or No??

Surely a no. Means you can be napping by 4pm.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: onefineday on March 15, 2024, 12:57:08 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


It used to be possible to buy a house on a teacher's salary
Not any more

Anyone paid under £40,000 grand are homeless or renting?
Teachers, police/gardai and civil servants in their 30s haven't a hope of buying until the next crash

If you are referring to single public sector workers, then yes, they will struggle to purchase a property in Dublin, although there are a number of schemes that may assist them.
For public sector workers in their 30's who are buying with 2 similar incomes - say 50k each, whilst they may not be able to purchase the property they want in their ideal location in Dublin, there will be many options available to them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: seafoid on March 15, 2024, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: onefineday on March 15, 2024, 12:57:08 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2024, 09:24:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2024, 07:39:38 PMHow much will they get?

See new teachers will start on £30,000 which is a decent starting wage coming out of college with 12 weeks paid for while sitting at home ;D


It used to be possible to buy a house on a teacher's salary
Not any more

Anyone paid under £40,000 grand are homeless or renting?
Teachers, police/gardai and civil servants in their 30s haven't a hope of buying until the next crash

If you are referring to single public sector workers, then yes, they will struggle to purchase a property in Dublin, although there are a number of schemes that may assist them.
For public sector workers in their 30's who are buying with 2 similar incomes - say 50k each, whilst they may not be able to purchase the property they want in their ideal location in Dublin, there will be many options available to them.
Not everyone is loved up.
Women are delaying childbirth because of house prices as well.
It is a mess.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: NAG1 on March 15, 2024, 02:27:35 PM
No great love for Teachers, but the fact that someone is such an important job is unable to put a roof over their own head is a crazy situation for any country to be in.

Where is the long term future in this when things are the way they are now?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2024, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 13, 2024, 10:22:48 PMAre we voting Yes or No??

Is today the vote cut off?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on March 15, 2024, 02:36:25 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 15, 2024, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 13, 2024, 10:22:48 PMAre we voting Yes or No??

Is today the vote cut off?

Wed 20th March.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 15, 2024, 02:47:04 PM
Still undecided. Though, I think all the younger teachers will be blinded by money and vote yes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2024, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 15, 2024, 02:47:04 PMStill undecided. Though, I think all the younger teachers will be blinded by money and vote yes.

Hardly any young teachers about sure!

If the unions have put it back to the teachers to vote on, have they backed the rise or recommending further action?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on March 15, 2024, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2024, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 15, 2024, 02:47:04 PMStill undecided. Though, I think all the younger teachers will be blinded by money and vote yes.

Hardly any young teachers about sure!

If the unions have put it back to the teachers to vote on, have they backed the rise or recommending further action?

They've quoted that it's the maximum they could get from available budget. They recommended accepting deal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Delgany 2nds on March 15, 2024, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on March 15, 2024, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2024, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 15, 2024, 02:47:04 PMStill undecided. Though, I think all the younger teachers will be blinded by money and vote yes.

Hardly any young teachers about sure!

If the unions have put it back to the teachers to vote on, have they backed the rise or recommending further action?



The INTO quoted that it's the maximum they could get from available budget. They recommended accepting deal
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on March 18, 2024, 04:08:34 PM
Had pints with a few teachers over the weekend. Seems they are more interested in a workload solution which is not on the table, and the Union's are mis-reading their membership because they think getting them a few more quid is the answer to teachers woes.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PM
To a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Sportacus on March 18, 2024, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.
I think they see the money as a given but don't want to return to the previous levels of bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 06:07:38 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
I think that's fairly simplistic.
Anyway, "the young teachers" make up a fairly small percentage of the voters so they won't be the winning and losing of this.
I imagine those who will be "blinded by the money" are those who have been getting it tight with rising costs over the last few years and to whom the extra few hundred a month is very much needed. Those are people of all ages of course but I wouldn't particularly be thinking of "young teachers" in this case.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 06:49:08 PM
Would current teachers prefer the schools to have more resources more teachers smaller classes less workload to having an increased wage?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 18, 2024, 07:43:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 06:49:08 PMWould current teachers prefer the schools to have more resources more teachers smaller classes less workload to having an increased wage?

 All of the above.... Sure why not.  The children deserve the best
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
What's the fear teachers have of being inspected? My wife is yapping about it and she hasn't been inspected in 14 years!  ::) Maybe if inspections were more frequent e.g. annually, there would be less fuss about it.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 18, 2024, 09:28:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
What's the fear teachers have of being inspected? My wife is yapping about it and she hasn't been inspected in 14 years!  ::) Maybe if inspections were more frequent e.g. annually, there would be less fuss about it.
No problem with inspections. Would welcome regular inspections for all schools.
The issue is that it's all about paperwork and procedures.

Rarely about the quality of teaching or the quality of learning.

Most inspectors are teachers who wanted to get out of the classroom.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 18, 2024, 09:54:20 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 18, 2024, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.
I think they see the money as a given but don't want to return to the previous levels of bureaucracy.

So, is it possible that there will be an agreement re pay, but the action short of strike remains?
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
What's the fear teachers have of being inspected? My wife is yapping about it and she hasn't been inspected in 14 years!  ::) Maybe if inspections were more frequent e.g. annually, there would be less fuss about it.

A principal killed herself recently in England after an inspection based on the results given afterwards

Inspections do bring a level of pressure on the school and teachers.

Inspections though need to be look at in how they are conducted.

And no issues with regular 'pop in' day inspections. Having been through a few back in the day you'll never be perfect to what they are looking but providing you're not some clampit you'll get through it

Many jobs have some form of inspections or audits but you usually know well in advance

But I don't think inspections are a major issue when talking to teachers

Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
What's the fear teachers have of being inspected? My wife is yapping about it and she hasn't been inspected in 14 years!  ::) Maybe if inspections were more frequent e.g. annually, there would be less fuss about it.

A principal killed herself recently in England after an inspection based on the results given afterwards

Inspections do bring a level of pressure on the school and teachers.

Inspections though need to be look at in how they are conducted.

And no issues with regular 'pop in' day inspections. Having been through a few back in the day you'll never be perfect to what they are looking but providing you're not some clampit you'll get through it

Many jobs have some form of inspections or audits but you usually know well in advance

But I don't think inspections are a major issue when talking to teachers


She didn't kill herself because of an inspection. She killed herself because she had problems with her mental health, exacerbated by the outcome of an inspection.

We have some form of audit almost weekly and regulatory inspections every couple of years. The latter aren't for the faint-hearted but they are important.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: marty34 on March 18, 2024, 10:51:22 PM
What about the inspections?

Is it not just standard, good or very good in the report? I think it's quite basic.

The thing is do parents: 1. Read the reports and 2. will it have any impact on their decision where to send their son/daughter.

I'd say no to both.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2024, 10:51:22 PMWhat about the inspections?

Is it not just standard, good orvery good in the report. I think it's quite basic.

The thing is do parents: 1. Read the reports and 2. will it have any impact on their decision where to send their son/daughter.

I'd say no to both.
Not here but they are massive news amongst the chattering classes in England.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 18, 2024, 11:02:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2024, 10:51:22 PMWhat about the inspections?

Is it not just standard, good orvery good in the report. I think it's quite basic.

The thing is do parents: 1. Read the reports and 2. will it have any impact on their decision where to send their son/daughter.

I'd say no to both.
Not here but they are massive news amongst the chattering classes in England.
One or two bad inspection reports can cause a drop in enrollments which can be catastrophic for a small school looking to get every child they can. I've seen families leave a school and once it starts it can become a torrent.

Old buildings and poor staff morale can often affect inspections.


Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 10:20:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2024, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 18, 2024, 08:46:03 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on March 18, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 18, 2024, 04:44:30 PMTo a point but this deal (~13% and no workload agreement) is going to fly over the finishing line without a bother.
I don't think, say, 4% and an agreed workload solution would.
Money talks.

The younger teachers are blinded by the money and haven't ever went through the unrealistic inspection show/game/charade or whatever you'd like to call it.
What's the fear teachers have of being inspected? My wife is yapping about it and she hasn't been inspected in 14 years!  ::) Maybe if inspections were more frequent e.g. annually, there would be less fuss about it.

A principal killed herself recently in England after an inspection based on the results given afterwards

Inspections do bring a level of pressure on the school and teachers.

Inspections though need to be look at in how they are conducted.

And no issues with regular 'pop in' day inspections. Having been through a few back in the day you'll never be perfect to what they are looking but providing you're not some clampit you'll get through it

Many jobs have some form of inspections or audits but you usually know well in advance

But I don't think inspections are a major issue when talking to teachers


She didn't kill herself because of an inspection. She killed herself because she had problems with her mental health, exacerbated by the outcome of an inspection.

We have some form of audit almost weekly and regulatory inspections every couple of years. The latter aren't for the faint-hearted but they are important.

Today, the coroner's conclusions validate what our family has known for a long time - that Ruth took her own life as the direct result of the process, outcome and consequences of an Ofsted inspection of the school she led and loved, Caversham Primary School," Prof Waters

But you know better
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Jim Bob on March 19, 2024, 09:24:09 PM
This pay offer will be accepted and everything will return to normal until next years pay negotiations where teachers will be offered next to nothing and action  short of strike will resume and inspectors will not be allowed in through the door
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: FermGael on March 23, 2024, 03:27:07 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr3rpd4p3o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr3rpd4p3o)

Hopefully this will be rolled out nationwide.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: bennydorano on March 23, 2024, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 19, 2024, 09:24:09 PMThis pay offer will be accepted and everything will return to normal until next years pay negotiations where teachers will be offered next to nothing and action  short of strike will resume and inspectors will not be allowed in through the door
Hopefully Labour will get in at next GE and try and re-establish decent multi-year deals, but the whole public sector does need modernisation. There has to be big picture planning and not just lurching from shitshow to shitshow. c***ts and all that the Tories are and have been, Covid & the COL Crisis drained the exchequer, Brexit nonsense hasn't helped but there's Political choices to be made after the GE, I hope it's Labour making them.
Title: Re: Teachers get it handy!
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 23, 2024, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 23, 2024, 03:53:59 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 19, 2024, 09:24:09 PMThis pay offer will be accepted and everything will return to normal until next years pay negotiations where teachers will be offered next to nothing and action  short of strike will resume and inspectors will not be allowed in through the door
Hopefully Labour will get in at next GE and try and re-establish decent multi-year deals, but the whole public sector does need modernisation. There has to be big picture planning and not just lurching from shitshow to shitshow. c***ts and all that the Tories are and have been, Covid & the COL Crisis drained the exchequer, Brexit nonsense hasn't helped but there's Political choices to be made after the GE, I hope it's Labour making them.
Starmer definitely more fiscally conservative than the Unions would want him to be. I don't think there will be the big public sector giveaway people would expect from a Labour government. The public sector is a leaky bucket but it's almost impossible to resolve as any chat about modernisation or restructure is immediately met with threat of strike action.