The highest number of nominees for the Champions since ourselves in 2003 (13), and somewhat surprised that we've managed to garner 6 this time around. ;)
GOALKEEPERS
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), David Clarke (Mayo), Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
DEFENDERS
Jack McCaffrey, Cian O'Sullivan, Michael Fitzsimons, Philip McMahon, John Small, Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Keith Higgins, Lee Keegan, Chris Barrett, Colm Boyle, Brendan Harrison (Mayo), Pádraig Hampsey, Tiernan McCann (Tyrone), Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley (Kerry), Conor Devanney (Roscommon), Caolan Mooney (Down), Fintan Kelly (Monaghan).
MIDFIELDERS
James McCarthy, Brian Fenton (Dublin), Tom Parsons (Mayo), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone), Enda Smith (Roscommon), Kevin Feely (Kildare).
FORWARDS
Andy Moran, Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Jason Doherty, Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Ciarán Kilkenny, Con O'Callaghan, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock (Dublin), Paul Geaney, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue (Kerry), Peter Harte, Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Connaire Harrison (Down), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal), Jamie Clarke (Armagh), Daniel Flynn (Kildare).
Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Young Footballer of the Year Nominees
Con O'Callaghan (Dublin)
Seán Powter (Cork)
Michael Daly (Galway)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 21, 2017, 10:03:26 AM
Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 21, 2017, 10:03:26 AM
Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
Moran should get it, McCarthy will get it.
Cavanagh the only realistic chance from the Tyrone men for me. McCann had a decent year but not enough to push out one of the big names. You could probably make a decent case for a team made up entirely from the finalists!
Moran for me on the Footballer of the year.
Obviously Joe Canning
How come there are four nominations for POTY? It's only ever been 3. Clarke has had a decent year but I wouldn't have him near POTY - Higgins, Boyle, AOS closer even just from a mayo perspective.
Just seen the TSG team of the year, I'd give Doherty an All Star ahead of AOS & McLaughlin.
I doubt Rock will be far away too after that performance last Sunday.
What odds would you get for Niall Morgan to win an All-Star?
His chances don't look good.
Could they not add him to the FOTY shortlist even at this late stage to make it worth his while turning up?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
How come there are four nominations for POTY? It's only ever been 3. Clarke has had a decent year but I wouldn't have him near POTY - Higgins, Boyle, AOS closer even just from a mayo perspective.
Two Goal Keepers. if there was 1 goal keeper we would know who is getting the All Star
Quote from: sid waddell on September 21, 2017, 10:28:55 AM
What odds would you get for Niall Morgan to win an All-Star?
His chances don't look good.
Could they not add him to the FOTY shortlist even at this late stage to make it worth his while turning up?
He knows for a fact he's not getting it.
Quote from: TabClear on September 21, 2017, 10:15:56 AM
Cavanagh the only realistic chance from the Tyrone men for me. McCann had a decent year but not enough to push out one of the big names. You could probably make a decent case for a team made up entirely from the finalists!
Moran for me on the Footballer of the year.
i would have Hampsey ahead of McCann all day long
It's between Cluxton and Moran. Moran deserves it but it is effectively a popularity contest once it gets down to the nominations. Clarke and McCarthy have no chance and Cluxton may get a lot of sentimental votes due to his standing in the game. However Andy Moran will be very popular as well and based on performances he deserves it anyway.
David Moran and Donal Vaughan not even getting nominated are surprises. Vaughan is effectively getting punished twice for getting sent off but then again John Small was selected.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 21, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
It's between Cluxton and Moran. Moran deserves it but it is effectively a popularity contest once it gets down to the nominations. Clarke and McCarthy have no chance and Cluxton may get a lot of sentimental votes due to his standing in the game. However Andy Moran will be very popular as well and based on performances he deserves it anyway.
David Moran and Donal Vaughan not even getting nominated are surprises. Vaughan is effectively getting punished twice for getting sent off but then again John Small was selected.
are you serious about Donal Vaughan. which 2 performances would you have him there for ???
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Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
Moran should get it, McCarthy will get it.
+1
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 11:07:21 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 21, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
It's between Cluxton and Moran. Moran deserves it but it is effectively a popularity contest once it gets down to the nominations. Clarke and McCarthy have no chance and Cluxton may get a lot of sentimental votes due to his standing in the game. However Andy Moran will be very popular as well and based on performances he deserves it anyway.
David Moran and Donal Vaughan not even getting nominated are surprises. Vaughan is effectively getting punished twice for getting sent off but then again John Small was selected.
are you serious about Donal Vaughan. which 2 performances would you have him there for ???
Didn't know that 2 good performances was the criteria for getting nominated. He has played consistently well without being outstanding but is getting slightly scapegoated for a rash decision in the final imo.
you feel he is getting scapegoated...........i feel he lucky to be considered among top 6 Mayo backs much less top 18 nationally so to try and understand how anyone could consider him fit to be an allstar nominee in 2017 i'm wondering if you could highlighty even 2 games he played well in.
and iot wasnt a "rash " decision it was the act of an extremely indisciplined player who selfishly did more than any other player prolong the 66 year wait onto maybe a 75 year one
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
How come there are four nominations for POTY? It's only ever been 3. Clarke has had a decent year but I wouldn't have him near POTY - Higgins, Boyle, AOS closer even just from a mayo perspective.
Parsons as well?
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 21, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
It's between Cluxton and Moran. Moran deserves it but it is effectively a popularity contest once it gets down to the nominations. Clarke and McCarthy have no chance and Cluxton may get a lot of sentimental votes due to his standing in the game. However Andy Moran will be very popular as well and based on performances he deserves it anyway.
David Moran and Donal Vaughan not even getting nominated are surprises. Vaughan is effectively getting punished twice for getting sent off but then again John Small was selected.
are you serious about Donal Vaughan. which 2 performances would you have him there for ???
Didn't know that 2 good performances was the criteria for getting nominated. He has played consistently well without being outstanding but is getting slightly scapegoated for a rash decision in the final imo.
Apart from the moment of madness Vaughan had a very poor final, his mistakes led to 3 points for Dublin in the 1st half.
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Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
Have two goalies ever been nominated before?
Andy Moran should get it, but I still don't understand how Mayo continuously took him off in their games this year when he was their best player.
GPS trackers. thats why lee keegan threw his away
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Andy Moran should get it, but I still don't understand how Mayo continuously took him off in their games this year when he was their best player.
He has a tendency to frustrate players around him later in games. in saying that he's the main reason they were still involved in the later stages of many games.
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How come there are four nominations for POTY? It's only ever been 3. Clarke has had a decent year but I wouldn't have him near POTY - Higgins, Boyle, AOS closer even just from a mayo perspective.
Two Goal Keepers. if there was 1 goal keeper we would know who is getting the All Star
Two Mayo men. if there was 1 Mayo man we would know who is getting the All Star
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Andy Moran should get it, but I still don't understand how Mayo continuously took him off in their games this year when he was their best player.
He has a tendency to frustrate players around him later in games. in saying that he's the main reason they were still involved in the later stages of many games.
He's been subbed off because he's 33 and out of gassed by the 55th minute.
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Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Have two goalies ever been nominated before?
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
As the All Star team can only have one GK, does this mean one of the POTY nominees will not receive an All Star.
Must be the first time that has happened.
I counted 17/45 who didn't play in the AIF. Slightly more than one in 3.
The All Stars are a joke
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Quote from: vallankumous on September 21, 2017, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 21, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Andy Moran should get it, but I still don't understand how Mayo continuously took him off in their games this year when he was their best player.
He has a tendency to frustrate players around him later in games. in saying that he's the main reason they were still involved in the later stages of many games.
He's been subbed off because he's 33 and out of gassed by the 55th minute.
Injured last Sunday and couldn't run with swelling behind his knee, after Fitzsimons fell on him in lead up to Doherty goal chance.
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I counted 17/45 who didn't play in the AIF. Slightly more than one in 3.
The All Stars are a joke
Complete joke, I agree.
Quote from: EastTyrone on September 21, 2017, 12:21:12 PM
As the All Star team can only have one GK, does this mean one of the POTY nominees will not receive an All Star.
Must be the first time that has happened.
Yes, it's also why they included a second Gk.
The reason is that with only one goal keeper nominated you can be sure who will win the GK All Star.
A consequence of this is that the Goal keeper who does not win an All Star will know he was nominated as player of the year solely to protect the surprise of the All Star goal keeper at the awards.
Morgan also knows he was only nominated to fill up the third place and that he is really not in the contest.
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Quote from: EastTyrone on September 21, 2017, 12:21:12 PM
As the All Star team can only have one GK, does this mean one of the POTY nominees will not receive an All Star.
Must be the first time that has happened.
Yes, it's also why they included a second Gk.
The reason is that with only one goal keeper nominated you can be sure who will win the GK All Star.
A consequence of this is that the Goal keeper who does not win an All Star will know he was nominated as player of the year solely to protect the surprise of the All Star goal keeper at the awards.
Morgan also knows he was only nominated to fill up the third place and that he is really not in the contest.
Maybe we'll have a joint goalkeeper award this year. Nothing would surprise me.
what a load of shite why not have Clarke and Morgan both know they are making up the numbers instead of the stupid tokenism of a 4th nomination for POTY, by their flawed logic all 3 keepers should have been nominated for POTY
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 21, 2017, 12:40:35 PM
Maybe we'll have a joint goalkeeper award this year. Nothing would surprise me.
Sure it's a night out
They could have avoided this by nominating 3 Goal Keepers only.
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Footballer of the Year Nominees
Stephen Cluxton (Dublin)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Andy Moran (Mayo)
David Clarke (Mayo)
Have two goalies ever been nominated before?
Two names taken from the Sunday Game panel and two tokens.
Though I do think Andy Moran is an easy choice
As the All Star team can only have one GK, does this mean one of the POTY nominees will not receive an All Star.
Must be the first time that has happened.
Brian Whelehan won Hurler of the Year in 1994. Didn't win an All Star.
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly
Kevin Martin deserved his too.
Martin / Whelehan was the reason that dedicated positions were removed and that all star teams were 18 back, 18 forwards nominated
Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Martin / Whelehan was the reason that dedicated positions were removed and that all star teams were 18 back, 18 forwards nominated
Because they were both half backs and both deserved one?
I'm sure Davey Clarke supporters equally felt that he deserved one also..........
but it was the reason behind the move away from nominations for a dedicated position wasnt it.......
I think Cluxton should get the Goalkeeper one. But I think they should accommodate Clarke at wing forward. Morgan could be in with a shout at LCB.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
I counted 17/45 who didn't play in the AIF. Slightly more than one in 3.
The All Stars are a joke
So 28 who did play in the final then. Another 3 and we would be nominating players to all All-star team when they couldn't make their own starting team.
Who does the selection?
It is a reflection of the sad state of Gaelic football.
The four 2017 provincial finals had an average winning margin of 0-9, the four quarterfinals concluded with an average margin of 0-15, and the semi-finals' concluding average was 0-9.
Jaysus Chrisht
Quote from: TabClear on September 21, 2017, 10:15:56 AM
Cavanagh the only realistic chance from the Tyrone men for me. McCann had a decent year but not enough to push out one of the big names. You could probably make a decent case for a team made up entirely from the finalists!
Moran for me on the Footballer of the year.
I know Cavanagh lines out at number 8, but I would have nominated him as a defender. He spent nearly all his time in defence, often very deep in defence, yet still popped forward for the odd score. And I think he deserves an All star this year, which would have been more likely in defence. But going to be hard to get ahead of Parsons and McCarthy who both had excellent finals, which is worth triple points!
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Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly
Kevin Martin deserved his too.
You are our resident Offaly expert so can I ask you this.
Did Pat Delaney also get Hurler of the Year and not an All Star in the same year?
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
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Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
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Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
Yep that logic was not about splittling the Mayo/Dublin vote 50/50 but instead it was to ensure Cluxton was not a dead cert for the All Star. So the logic is that by putting Clarke up, there's still a race for the keeper's position. It makes sense to a certain degree. Until of course you remember the fact that Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year, which makes it a completely illogical decision, as you said!
Yeah, something that might have been logical was not in the slightest bit logical. Or as logical as making it 5 players up for it by adding Morgan.
Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Of the starters last Sunday only Vaughan,Durcan,S O’Shea,P Andrews, E O’Gara didn't get nominated for All Star.
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.
I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo
will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.
I'm interested in who
should get what though.
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.
I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.
I'm interested in who should get what though.
Sure you are. That's why you've got a glorified free-taker at 14 over Geaney.
Anyone picking Cuxton ahead of Clarke seems to be doing so on basis of his better kickouts. The style of kick doesn't matter though.... it's whether your team retain possession. I don't have overall stats on that but I don't it is so clear cut. People also seem to be forgiving Cuxtons poor first half in the possession stats
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.
I'm not particularly interested in what Mayo will get - I suspect you're correct in your assertion that they will get only 6 or 7.
I'm interested in who should get what though.
Sure you are. That's why you've got a glorified free-taker at 14 over Geaney.
If you're that obsessed with giving Kerry a token one, Donaghy's your man.
Geaney did nothing special this year and doesn't deserve one. He didn't produce from play in the second half of the replay against Mayo when Kerry needed him.
Cillian O'Connor is also well ahead of him in the queue.
Rock stood up for Dublin when it mattered. Four points from play in the final, three of them in the second half, and nailed the free that won it.
That's the kind of thing that wins you All-Stars.
And All-Irelands.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 21, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 21, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.
I'd beg to differ on that one. Mannion won that duel in the second half alright but it's not comparable to what happened in the other duel.
Fitzsimons was roasted all game by Moran. 0-3 in the first half, and then Moran was out in front to set up both the goal for chance for Doherty and the goal for Keegan on a plate. And then there were the other shots Moran should have put over. It was 1-3 but it should have been 2-5.
It was a proper roasting in the Ollie Murphy/Peadar Andrews mould. Jim Gavin would been roasted himself had Mayo won for not switching Fitzsimons off Moran.
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Harrison took a far bigger roasting in the 2nd half from Mannion.
I'd beg to differ on that one. Mannion won that duel in the second half alright but it's not comparable to what happened in the other duel.
Fitzsimons was roasted all game by Moran. 0-3 in the first half, and then Moran was out in front to set up both the goal for chance for Doherty and the goal for Keegan on a plate. And then there were the other shots Moran should have put over. It was 1-3 but it should have been 2-5.
It was a proper roasting in the Ollie Murphy/Peadar Andrews mould. Jim Gavin would been roasted himself had Mayo won for not switching Fitzsimons off Moran.
Harrison only picked Mannion up in the 2nd half, in that time he kicked 3 points from play, set up a few others and skinned Harrison to create one of his 2 goal chances. Dress it up whatever way you want but Harrison was given the runaround in the 2nd half.
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I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
Having attended all Mayo's games this year I'd beg to differ. A trawl through posts on the board will show that Andy was being written off as over the hill until the Cork match. The same could be said for Boyler. Keegan was a slow burner this year and both Keith and Durcan got sent off needlessly. SOS was poor, Parsons was carrying injuries, AOS didnt come into his own until the Derry game, Doherty until the Ros game, McLoughlinn until the Ros replay, both O Connors have had better seasons. If it weren't for Mr Dependable in goal we would have been gone early in the summer. So if he wasn't the second best player it might have been that he was the best.
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I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This. If Clarke hadn't been nominated then everyone would know that the POTY would be a foregone conclusion with Moran cruising it in a landslide. As it is I still think he'll win it since I can't exactly see Clarke splitting much of the Mayo vote. This award should be voted for by journalists instead of players as it is effectively a popularity contest.
Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.
Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.
Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
Beat the reigning PotY in the second half of the drawn game. Made a better fist of playing him than the lad with a 40 page thread here ever did.
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Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
Having attended all Mayo's games this year I'd beg to differ. A trawl through posts on the board will show that Andy was being written off as over the hill until the Cork match. The same could be said for Boyler. Keegan was a slow burner this year and both Keith and Durcan got sent off needlessly. SOS was poor, Parsons was carrying injuries, AOS didnt come into his own until the Derry game, Doherty until the Ros game, McLoughlinn until the Ros replay, both O Connors have had better seasons. If it weren't for Mr Dependable in goal we would have been gone early in the summer. So if he wasn't the second best player it might have been that he was the best.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge of Mayo football, I've only seen some of their games on TV and attended a few of their games in Croke park.
I agree with you about Andy moran, his best football came in the later part of the season (but rightly or wrongly All stars and POTY awards tend to get judged on the later part of the season!). So I'd have him ahead of clarke.
Similar with Boyle IMO.
Also, I'd have AOS ahead of Clarke, there were a couple of qualifer games where he was outstanding. I think it was the Derry game where Mayo would have been beaten without him.
Would you not have Harrison ahead of clarke as well?
I'm not trying to knock Clarke here. I don't think he had a bad year. But Not footballer of the year material IMO.
However, as I said you've seen all their games so you are probably in a better position to judge.
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Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
Having attended all Mayo's games this year I'd beg to differ. A trawl through posts on the board will show that Andy was being written off as over the hill until the Cork match. The same could be said for Boyler. Keegan was a slow burner this year and both Keith and Durcan got sent off needlessly. SOS was poor, Parsons was carrying injuries, AOS didnt come into his own until the Derry game, Doherty until the Ros game, McLoughlinn until the Ros replay, both O Connors have had better seasons. If it weren't for Mr Dependable in goal we would have been gone early in the summer. So if he wasn't the second best player it might have been that he was the best.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge of Mayo football, I've only seen some of their games on TV and attended a few of their games in Croke park.
I agree with you about Andy moran, his best football came in the later part of the season (but rightly or wrongly All stars and POTY awards tend to get judged on the later part of the season!). So I'd have him ahead of clarke.
Similar with Boyle IMO.
Also, I'd have AOS ahead of Clarke, there were a couple of qualifer games where he was outstanding. I think it was the Derry game where Mayo would have been beaten without him.
Would you not have Harrison ahead of clarke as well?
I'm not trying to knock Clarke here. I don't think he had a bad year. But Not footballer of the year material IMO.
However, as I said you've seen all their games so you are probably in a better position to judge.
I'm not picking an argument with you but, as I have pointed out in other threads leading up to the final, the improvement in Mayo was very gradual throughout the qualifiers. Harrison played his first game of the season in the Derry game and was subbed off. His form improved game on game but you wouldn't have picked him out before the Kerry games. AOS was given MOTM in two games (Derry & Clare) but in general outfield players tend to get more attention than goalkeepers. If players were marked on each game then I think Clarke would come out on top in Mayo terms because he was consistently good. If truth be told and I took off my Mayo shirt, I wouldn't give POTY to any of the Mayo team. I think it was the collective that got them through with occasional inspirational performances from a variety of players.
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 21, 2017, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Estimator on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
I'd suggest that 4 players have been nominated from to reduce bias for one particular player. Like the Hurling last year, where Gleeson picked up the POTY award, despite not playing the AI final. The two Tipp players had their vote halved and Gleeson was able to pick up the award.
This year, in the hurling the award looks to be heading to Canning as two Waterford hurlers were selected alongside him. If it was Canning, McInerney and Barron nominated, then there is a strong possibility of Barron being chosen.
This is arguably the most sensible comment so far on this POTY debate
That logic makes sense, except that David Clarke was not the second best player on that mayo team this year!
Having attended all Mayo's games this year I'd beg to differ. A trawl through posts on the board will show that Andy was being written off as over the hill until the Cork match. The same could be said for Boyler. Keegan was a slow burner this year and both Keith and Durcan got sent off needlessly. SOS was poor, Parsons was carrying injuries, AOS didnt come into his own until the Derry game, Doherty until the Ros game, McLoughlinn until the Ros replay, both O Connors have had better seasons. If it weren't for Mr Dependable in goal we would have been gone early in the summer. So if he wasn't the second best player it might have been that he was the best.
I'll bow to your superior knowledge of Mayo football, I've only seen some of their games on TV and attended a few of their games in Croke park.
I agree with you about Andy moran, his best football came in the later part of the season (but rightly or wrongly All stars and POTY awards tend to get judged on the later part of the season!). So I'd have him ahead of clarke.
Similar with Boyle IMO.
Also, I'd have AOS ahead of Clarke, there were a couple of qualifer games where he was outstanding. I think it was the Derry game where Mayo would have been beaten without him.
Would you not have Harrison ahead of clarke as well?
I'm not trying to knock Clarke here. I don't think he had a bad year. But Not footballer of the year material IMO.
However, as I said you've seen all their games so you are probably in a better position to judge.
I'm not picking an argument with you but, as I have pointed out in other threads leading up to the final, the improvement in Mayo was very gradual throughout the qualifiers. Harrison played his first game of the season in the Derry game and was subbed off. His form improved game on game but you wouldn't have picked him out before the Kerry games. AOS was given MOTM in two games (Derry & Clare) but in general outfield players tend to get more attention than goalkeepers. If players were marked on each game then I think Clarke would come out on top in Mayo terms because he was consistently good. If truth be told and I took off my Mayo shirt, I wouldn't give POTY to any of the Mayo team. I think it was the collective that got them through with occasional inspirational performances from a variety of players.
Mayo would have been one and done in the Quailifers without Andy Moran.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Earlier rounds count for nothing in all star terms and smith did sweet f all in croker
Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran
Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 21, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran
Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈
Harrison and AOS shouldn't be let near the All-Star team. Parsons hardly deserves one either to be honest, SOS was the workhorse for Mayo and if he had more than 50 minutes in him he probably could have made the grade.
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Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran
Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈
Harrison and AOS shoudln't be let near the All-Star team. Parsons hardly deserves on either to be honest, SOS was the workhorse for Mayo and if he had more than 50 minutes in it he probably could have made the grade.
Have to disagree particularly on parsons, you dont really notice until hes gone or you pay attention to it but hes arguably the key player for mayo
SOS is very hit or miss
Parsons been the best midfielder this year; dont know what u been watching!! Plus Dean Rock will get one;
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 21, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran
Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈
a team whose noted weakness is up front with 4 forwards and excluding their top scorer. Christ there must be quality stuff being smoked west of ballagh by someone
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
That Kildare Chaps name is Kevin Feely. You might remember him from the Leinster Final.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Mayo played 10 championship games whilst Roscommon played Leitrim, Galway and Mayo twice. Keegan scored 1-3 from play against Roscommon.
He had one great performance against a decent side all summer, miles away from all star material.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 21, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
Clarke
Fitzsimmons Harrison Higgins
McCaffrey Barret Boyle
Parsons McCarthy
McLoughlin AOS O'Callaghan
Doherty Geaney Moran
Mayo bias perhaps? 🙈
Funniest thing I have seen in a while, beaten twice, conceded loads, Mayo only deserve 2 or 3 all stars.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 21, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.
Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.
Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.
Cian OSullivan, I just don't see it, never have. The man marks fresh air and looks decent in plenty of space, the 1 time all year a team put pressure on him, he's very average. Shouldn't be within a country mile of the All Stars.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh. Cavanagh was immense this year. Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh. Cavanagh was immense this year. Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.
Doherty deserves one ahead of McLaughlin & AOS, he had 2 great games against Kerry and a good final but will probably miss out. I know Rock was quiet enough leading up to the final but I thought he had a very good final, 4 points from play and 2 brilliant frees under a lot of pressure.
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Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.
Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.
Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.
Cian OSullivan, I just don't see it, never have. The man marks fresh air and looks decent in plenty of space, the 1 time all year a team put pressure on him, he's very average. Shouldn't be within a country mile of the All Stars.
I do think he is over rated but he is a very intelligent player and a specialist in the role of sweeper. Occupy him with man marking duties though and he can be fairly average. Still think he will just about get into the team. All it really shows though is the folly of lining out an Allstars team in a traditional 1-3-3-2-3-3 format. It's a nice honour for the players but it is an unjust system skewered towards teams who get to the final.
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yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly
Kevin Martin deserved his too.
You are our resident Offaly expert so can I ask you this.
Did Pat Delaney also get Hurler of the Year and not an All Star in the same year?
Just saw this now. You're spot on. In 1981 Pat Delaney got Texaco Player of the Year, but no Allstar. In 1985 he did get an Allstar.
Pat Delaney what a hurler and what a character
I think a D2,3,4 all star team would be a great idea.
Too many great players get ignored just because they play on weaker teams.
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Quote from: Orchard park on September 21, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
yet the legendary Kevin martin won an allstar that year if I recall correctly
Kevin Martin deserved his too.
You are our resident Offaly expert so can I ask you this.
Did Pat Delaney also get Hurler of the Year and not an All Star in the same year?
Just saw this now. You're spot on. In 1981 Pat Delaney got Texaco Player of the Year, but no Allstar. In 1985 he did get an Allstar.
I didn't actually know that till someone else mentioned it to me. I did google it last night and found out it was true. There was such a furore over Brian Whelehan that I thought it was the first and last time something like that would happen.
The internet would explode if it happened nowadays.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2017, 01:06:54 PM
I think a D2,3,4 all star team would be a great idea.
Too many great players get ignored just because they play on weaker teams.
Bad enough splitting Dublin in to North and South without splitting them into postal codes!!
Some posters seem to think Cluxton is a certainty to win an All Star, I just don't see that as Clarke has had a brilliant year and Cluxton had a poor first half in terms of his kickouts.
Boyle, Higgins, Barrett & Moran are all certainties to win All Stars as are McCarthy, McCaffrey, Callaghan & Mannion. I don't think anyone else is guaranteed to win one. Cavanagh was outstanding and probably deserves one but will probably miss out to McCarthy & Parsons.
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Only a Roscommon man would take Smith over Cavanagh. Cavanagh was immense this year. Don't think Rock or Aidan O'Se should get one either but they probably will as we all know by now how this sham of an awards process works.
Only a Tyronie would say something that daft and follow up with praise for their own man.
i give it at go at mine.
1. S Cluxton, 2. M Fitzsimmons, 3. C O`Sullivan, 4.K Higgins 5. McCaffrey/ Boyle? 6. C Barnett, 7.L Keegan, 8. T Parsons, 9. J McCarthy, 10. K McLoughlin 11. C O`Callaghan, 12. C Kilkenny, 13. D Rock, 14. P Geaney, 15 A Moran,
Only change i could see is Rock to half forward in front of Kilkenny and P Mannion coming in, in the corner
Near Misses, Clarke, C Cavanagh, P Mannion, P Doherty, O`Shea
I would have put McCarthy in at 5 and Cavangh Midfield but you can`t do that.
had Mayo won, Clarke, O`Shea and Doherty and possible O`Connor would have been in.
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Down getting two nominations and Galway getting none is a little odd.
Stephen Cluxton
Michael Fitzsimons, Cian O'Sullivan, Keith Higgins
Colm Boyle, Chris Barrett, Jack McCaffrey
Colm Cavanagh, James McCarthy
Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Con O'Callaghan
Paul Mannion, Paul Geaney, Andy Moran.
Will be surprise if those 15 aren't named as this years All Stars.
Cian OSullivan, I just don't see it, never have. The man marks fresh air and looks decent in plenty of space, the 1 time all year a team put pressure on him, he's very average. Shouldn't be within a country mile of the All Stars.
I do think he is over rated but he is a very intelligent player and a specialist in the role of sweeper. Occupy him with man marking duties though and he can be fairly average. Still think he will just about get into the team. All it really shows though is the folly of lining out an Allstars team in a traditional 1-3-3-2-3-3 format. It's a nice honour for the players but it is an unjust system skewered towards teams who get to the final.
O'Sullivan was easily the pick of Dublin's backs in the final. Solid all through, distributed well and set up a vital point for Fenton in the second half.
If Dublin are to get one in the full-back line it should be him.
Whelan won't be too far away I'd say:
Ciarán Whelan's 15 (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/just-two-players-from-outside-dublin-and-mayo-make-ciarn-whelans-team-of-the-year-36159353.html)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Whelan won't be too far away I'd say:
Ciarán Whelan's 15 (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/just-two-players-from-outside-dublin-and-mayo-make-ciarn-whelans-team-of-the-year-36159353.html)
Kung fu Colm at full-back says different.
Cluxton 1/6 Higgins 1/10 Barrett 1/7 Boyle 1/20 McCaffrey 1/3 McCarthy 1/1000, A Moran 1/1000,P Geaney 1/16 and O'Callaghan 1/8 are all certs going by those odds for All Stars.
That leaves 6 spots open. From what i see the value odds would be Cooper 5/2, Harrsion 5/1, Doherty 2/1
Colm Cavanagh 10/11 and Dean Rock 6/5
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Enda Smith possibly and Geaney at a push. The rest from the two finalists. Anything else is tokenistic nonsense.
Smith? He's lucky to be nominated. I can't recall him playing too well against Mayo.
I can't recall too many Mayo folk playing well against Galway. Or Derry. Should they all be ruled out?
Smith's performance against Galway was the best individual performance I saw all year and his ability to pre-occupy Lee Keegan was the main reason Roscommon got a replay.
The fourth best chance on that list of midfielders, but possibly still a chance.
Ahead of Kung Fu Cavanagh and the Kildare chap.
All Stars have been pointless since 2005 and arguably long before that.
Smith didn't do to well occupying Keegan when Keegan almost single handedly dragged Mayo back into the drawn game with Roscommon.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 23, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
Cluxton 1/6 Higgins 1/10 Barrett 1/7 Boyle 1/20 McCaffrey 1/3 McCarthy 1/1000, A Moran 1/1000,P Geaney 1/16 and O'Callaghan 1/8 are all certs going by those odds for All Stars.
That leaves 6 spots open. From what i see the value odds would be Cooper 5/2, Harrsion 5/1, Doherty 2/1
Colm Cavanagh 10/11 and Dean Rock 6/5
Would love to see Jason Doherty get on as he has been a great servant to Mayo over the past decade, doing the donkey work and getting little appreciation for it. I would imagine Rock should get one as he has turned into much more than a freetaker.
Re : ciaran whelan xv
Id have doherty in over kilkenny or else mcloughlin
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 23, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
Re : ciaran whelan xv
I lost interest when you mentioned Ciaran Whelan...
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 23, 2017, 10:25:43 PM
Re : ciaran whelan xv
Id have doherty in over kilkenny or else mcloughlin
Agreed. Kilkenny was handed his arse by Keegan last weekend. Obviously all the talk this week has been about the stray GPS but KK outplayed to an extent that he hadn't experienced previously.
On tonight the red carpet treatment on Facebook at the moment. I expect 7 All Stars for Dublin 6 for Mayo, 1 for Tyrone and 1 for Kerry.
Clarke instead of Cluxton a bit of surprise.
Lee Keegan paying for his All Ireland misdemeanor.
Will Colm Cavanagh be banished from the Tyrone squad for talking to RTE?
Expected one for Parsons.
2 forwards is a good return for Mayo compared to previous years
Quote from: BennyCake on November 03, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Will Colm Cavanagh be banished from the Tyrone squad for talking to RTE?
Sounded like he was criticising the tactics employed this year also. He probably deserved his award but I thought enda Smith should have been included beside McCarthy at midfield. Those 2 actually played midfield whereas cavanagh spent most of his time in defence.
sure thats one of the things i hate about the all stars, dean rock getting the #10 spot considering he played in the full forward all year is a kick in the stones to anyone that did play at half forward
Quote from: Nanderson on November 03, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
sure thats one of the things i hate about the all stars, dean rock getting the #10 spot considering he played in the full forward all year is a kick in the stones to anyone that did play at half forward
Beat me to it. Thought McLoughlin should have got one. But I'm biased.
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2017, 07:43:22 PM
2 forwards is a good return for Mayo compared to previous years
Poor considering we have got the same amount with lesser talented Forward lines in the past. In fairness we got a few this evening against the head and a few fell the wrong side of the coin!
1. David Clarke (Mayo)
2. Chris Barrett (Mayo)
3. Michael Fitzsimons (Dublin)
4. Keith Higgins (Mayo)
5. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
6. Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
8. Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone)
9. James McCarthy (Dublin)
10. Dean Rock (Dublin)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
12. Con O'Callaghan (Dublin)
13. Paul Mannion (Dublin)
14. Paul Geaney (Kerry)
15. Andy Moran (Mayo)
7 for Dublin 6 for Mayo and one each for Tyrone,Kerry as i expected. Young player of the year O Callaghan and Moran player of the year no surprises there
Quote from: Halfquarter on November 03, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
Expected one for Parsons.
Very surprised he did not get one. He was pivitol for most of Mayo's transition play from backs to forwards. He also played in Ten games.
Cavanagh also a good footballer.
The way the Lory Meagher, Christy Ring and nicky rackard All stars were presented was the poorest level of tokenism I've seen in a long time.
As a foot note - wouldn't it be great if there was Division Two, three and four All stars in Football?
Michael Fitzsimons must be the luckiest player to win an All-Star ever. He got a proper roasting in the final and had basically nothing to do up to that point. He's getting it largely for his performance in the 2016 final replay.
Cian O'Sullivan should have been picked at 3 with Lee Keegan at 6 - Keegan loses out due to being a victim of his own high standards. Colm Cavanagh and even Stephen Cluxton (I'm not joking) would also have been far more deserving recipients in that position than Fitzsimons.
Paul Geaney's inclusion is a joke too. Pure politics. Jason Doherty isn't a "name" so was easy to overlook.
Realistically, it should have been a Dublin and Mayo clean sweep with Cavanagh and perhaps Tiernan McCann the only outsiders realistically deserving of being in the shake up.
Glad Ciaran Kilkenny missed out. His style is pure poison.
Like Fitzsimons getting his award for something done in a previous year, Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Delighted for Colm Cavanagh to get that recognition. Tough from him from the start following his brother who was already very much established as a giant of Tyrone GAA. Colm had a hard time from many Tyrone fans for a few years and it is to his great credit that he worked away and carved out a niche for himself as an absolutely key man on the Tyrone team. Hopefully there is more to come from him.
There will always be a lot of political decisions in a process like this. Mayo have 6 of the best players in the country? Not likely. They have six decent players in a bunch of good players that are more exposed at the Business end of the season. Exposed more than 24 other counties. Every Mayo championship game was on Live TV this year. So they even had exposure before the business end.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
Delighted for Colm Cavanagh to get that recognition. Tough from him from the start following his brother who was already very much established as a giant of Tyrone GAA. Colm had a hard time from many Tyrone fans for a few years and it is to his great credit that he worked away and carved out a niche for himself as an absolutely key man on the Tyrone team. Hopefully there is more to come from him.
Never seen a player improve so much, fair play to him.
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Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 03, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
Delighted for Colm Cavanagh to get that recognition. Tough from him from the start following his brother who was already very much established as a giant of Tyrone GAA. Colm had a hard time from many Tyrone fans for a few years and it is to his great credit that he worked away and carved out a niche for himself as an absolutely key man on the Tyrone team. Hopefully there is more to come from him.
Never seen a player improve so much, fair play to him.
Couldn't agree more. With the usual positioning changes, I'd have Colm Cavanagh at CHB, either Parsons or Smith in the middle.
Some lovely ladies in that hall, would they be Spanish women or is it very sunny down in west.
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Quote from: Nanderson on November 03, 2017, 07:51:10 PM
sure thats one of the things i hate about the all stars, dean rock getting the #10 spot considering he played in the full forward all year is a kick in the stones to anyone that did play at half forward
Beat me to it. Thought McLoughlin should have got one. But I'm biased.
The GAA have for many years nominated players in positions they haven't played in. e.g. Canavan at CHF at expense of Brian McGuigan in 2005. That in no way detracts from Colm Cavanagh's award. Well done big man! Thoroughly deserved.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Joe was very good in the League and turned the quarter-final against Waterford when he came on, a game that turned Galway's season around. He was more solid than spectacular for a lot of the championship but he got the award for that last 20 minutes against Tipp. I have no problem with that. It was the only time in the championship that Galway looked like losing, Paudie Maher was dominating and our forwards looked bet when Joe took responsibility and scored 5 points in a row all from huge distances, including 3 from play that were as good as you'll see. He had an excellent first half in the final and nailed his frees in the second. Fair enough if you think Barron deserved PotY - it's debatable. Saying Joe shouldn't have gotten an all-star is bullish!t though.
Colm cavanagh???? Ulster sympathy vote. His ma still sends him out to clean sean's boots.
Parsons should been in in front of both Cavanagh and McCarthy
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 03, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Joe was very good in the League and turned the quarter-final against Waterford when he came on, a game that turned Galway's season around. He was more solid than spectacular for a lot of the championship but he got the award for that last 20 minutes against Tipp. I have no problem with that. It was the only time in the championship that Galway looked like losing, Paudie Maher was dominating and our forwards looked bet when Joe took responsibility and scored 5 points in a row all from huge distances, including 3 from play that were as good as you'll see. He had an excellent first half in the final and nailed his frees in the second. Fair enough if you think Barron deserved PotY - it's debatable. Saying Joe shouldn't have gotten an all-star is bullish!t though.
He definitely deserved an All-Star. HOTY is more debatable. Barron could have got it. Even McInerney could have got it and he wasn't even nominated. Joe basically won the semi-final for his team though and got his couple points in the final from play along with nailing all his frees. He had a quiet Leinster final alright but went into that game carrying a knock from training.
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Pick it
Cluxton (very close with Clarke but shades it due to superior kickouts)
Harrison (had Fitzsimons ahead before Sunday but he was roasted in the final)
Higgins (perpetual motion™)
Barrett (his best ever year for Mayo)
McCaffrey (missed the final but still deserves one)
Keegan (outstanding up to the Roscommon draw and roared back to his best in the final)
Boyle (lionhearted™)
Parsons (only one midfield spot up for grabs, shades it from Fenton and Cavanagh)
McCarthy (automatic)
McLoughlin (overtook Kilkenny who was wiped out in the final)
O'Callaghan (was quite patchy in most of his displays but you can't ignore mercurial genius)
Mannion (excellent all year and when it mattered)
Doherty (thoroughly deserved)
Rock (stood up in the final and has earned it - Kerry may get one here but it would be undeserved)
Moran (automatic - FOTY)
And that's it.
Mayo 9
Dublin 6
The rest 0
Mayo will get 6 or 7 max.
and in the end 6 it was.
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "up his own arse" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Did ye see me in the audience?
Front row. Jesus - it was light on entertainment.
Even marty was struggling but he was in his element in the dinner after.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2017, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 03, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Joe was very good in the League and turned the quarter-final against Waterford when he came on, a game that turned Galway's season around. He was more solid than spectacular for a lot of the championship but he got the award for that last 20 minutes against Tipp. I have no problem with that. It was the only time in the championship that Galway looked like losing, Paudie Maher was dominating and our forwards looked bet when Joe took responsibility and scored 5 points in a row all from huge distances, including 3 from play that were as good as you'll see. He had an excellent first half in the final and nailed his frees in the second. Fair enough if you think Barron deserved PotY - it's debatable. Saying Joe shouldn't have gotten an all-star is bullish!t though.
He definitely deserved an All-Star. HOTY is more debatable. Barron could have got it. Even McInerney could have got it and he wasn't even nominated. Joe basically won the semi-final for his team though and got his couple points in the final from play along with nailing all his frees. He had a quiet Leinster final alright but went into that game carrying a knock from training.
A talent like JC's couldn't finish his career without a HOTY award though. Yes, yes, yes x 1,000, I know that's not the way it's supposed to happen, but Canning, whatever your opinion of him, has been the hurling artist of the past decade and a genius of this era.
I'm sure you could select a list of all HOTYs in recent years and pick holes in their awards. E.g., bar the 2 KK games last year, Austin Gleeson was ordinary enough.
Well said mouview.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2017, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 03, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Joe was very good in the League and turned the quarter-final against Waterford when he came on, a game that turned Galway's season around. He was more solid than spectacular for a lot of the championship but he got the award for that last 20 minutes against Tipp. I have no problem with that. It was the only time in the championship that Galway looked like losing, Paudie Maher was dominating and our forwards looked bet when Joe took responsibility and scored 5 points in a row all from huge distances, including 3 from play that were as good as you'll see. He had an excellent first half in the final and nailed his frees in the second. Fair enough if you think Barron deserved PotY - it's debatable. Saying Joe shouldn't have gotten an all-star is bullish!t though.
He definitely deserved an All-Star. HOTY is more debatable. Barron could have got it. Even McInerney could have got it and he wasn't even nominated. Joe basically won the semi-final for his team though and got his couple points in the final from play along with nailing all his frees. He had a quiet Leinster final alright but went into that game carrying a knock from training.
After last year's fiasco they couldn't put two Galway hurlers up for poty, I'd have mcinerney and Barron well ahead of Joe but it was clear who they were setting it up for. Absolutely brilliant hurler and great career but hurler of the year should go to the best hurler that year
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 22, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Whelan won't be too far away I'd say:
Ciarán Whelan's 15 (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/just-two-players-from-outside-dublin-and-mayo-make-ciarn-whelans-team-of-the-year-36159353.html)
Kung fu Colm at full-back says different.
And indeed he wasn't too far away! ;)
Quote from: mouview on November 04, 2017, 12:30:41 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2017, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 03, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 03, 2017, 08:50:53 PM
Joe Canning got the Hurler of the Year award based on previous years.
He shouldn't have got an All-Star, never mind being HOTY.
Robber barons of capitalism PwC should be up on a robbing Barron charge.
Joe was very good in the League and turned the quarter-final against Waterford when he came on, a game that turned Galway's season around. He was more solid than spectacular for a lot of the championship but he got the award for that last 20 minutes against Tipp. I have no problem with that. It was the only time in the championship that Galway looked like losing, Paudie Maher was dominating and our forwards looked bet when Joe took responsibility and scored 5 points in a row all from huge distances, including 3 from play that were as good as you'll see. He had an excellent first half in the final and nailed his frees in the second. Fair enough if you think Barron deserved PotY - it's debatable. Saying Joe shouldn't have gotten an all-star is bullish!t though.
He definitely deserved an All-Star. HOTY is more debatable. Barron could have got it. Even McInerney could have got it and he wasn't even nominated. Joe basically won the semi-final for his team though and got his couple points in the final from play along with nailing all his frees. He had a quiet Leinster final alright but went into that game carrying a knock from training.
A talent like JC's couldn't finish his career without a HOTY award though. Yes, yes, yes x 1,000, I know that's not the way it's supposed to happen, but Canning, whatever your opinion of him, has been the hurling artist of the past decade and a genius of this era.
I'm sure you could select a list of all HOTYs in recent years and pick holes in their awards. E.g., bar the 2 KK games last year, Austin Gleeson was ordinary enough.
Waterford got a Hurler of the year last year. They don't usually award the title to a non winning county 2 years in a row.
Waterford had 5 allstars and have 2 other excellent players in De Burca and Gleeson.. they should be worth an all Ireland in the next few years especially if Kilkenny are looking for their mojo.
CHRISTY RING CHAMPION 15: Enda Cooney (London), Paul Divilly (Kildare), Ger McManus (Mayo), Padraig Kelly (Roscommon), Eamonn Kearns (Wicklow), Andy O'Brien (Wicklow), Michael Hughes (Down), Eoghan Sands (Down), Chrissy O'Connell (Antrim), John Dillon (Antrim), Paddy Burke (Antrim), Alan Corcoran (Carlow), John Michael Nolan (Carlow), James Doyle (Carlow), Richard Coady (Carlow).
NICKEY RACKARD CHAMPION 15: Mike Lyons (Louth), Seamus Hannon (Longford), Davin Flynn (Donegal), Brendan Begley (Tyrone), Stephen Donnelly (Tyrone), Mark Treanor (Monaghan), Donal Meegan (Monaghan), Artie McGuinness (Armagh), Nathan Curry (Armagh), John Corvan (Armagh), Brendan Rogers (Derry), Darragh McCloskey (Derry), Paul Cleary (Derry), Sean Cassidy (Derry), Gerald Bradley (Derry).
LORY MEAGHER CHAMPION 15: Darren Sheridan (Cavan), Matthew Hynes (Cavan), Sean Corrigan (Fermanagh), Shea Curran (Fermanagh), Kevin Banks (Sligo), Cormac Behan (Sligo), Ronan Crowley (Lancashire), Nathan Unwin (Lancashire), Conor Byrne (Leitrim), Liam Moreton (Leitrim), Clement Cunniffe (Leitrim), John Collins (Warwickshire), Dean Bruen (Warwickshire), Paul Uniacke (Warwickshire), Liam Watson (Warwickshire).
Maith thú Padraig Kelly.
Those 3 sets of awards are probably far more logical than the main nonsense.
Pity there couldn't be D2,3 and 4 all stars in football.
Well done to my clubmate Kevin Banks. Great lad. Should be on the senior football panel for next season too hopefully.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 04, 2017, 11:08:50 AM
Maith thú Padraig Kelly.
Those 3 sets of awards are probably far more logical than the main nonsense.
Pity there couldn't be D2,3 and 4 all stars in football.
American sports name First-Team, Second-Team, Third-Team All-Pro/All-Star teams. Seems a far fairer way to reward more than just the AI finalists in a sport like football where there isn't tiers in the summer.
Charlie having a go at A.O.S in the Sunday world this morning.The surprise here is somebody paying Charlie for his views and writing them down for him. :)
Is it the first Connacht double for hurler and footballer of the year ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1102/828688-all-stars/
One of the most notable selection controversies occurred in 1994. Offaly wing-back Brian Whelehan was named Hurler of the Year in what was then a separate award sponsored by Texaco.
However, the Birr man failed to make the All-Star XV, mostly due to what Michael explains was a malfunctioning attempt to keep the team secret until its announcement.
"Brian Whelehan was left off the team, which caused ructions," he remembers. "But the problem wasn't that we left him off, the problem was we didn't know we'd left him off.
"There had been so many leaks [previously] and fellas spilling the beans that the committee eventually decided to have a secret ballot.
"But we didn't know the final team and the bit we overlooked was that if anyone saw a problem, there should have been a process to redress that.
"Brian was nominated in two positions and his vote was split between the two of them. He actually got more votes than anyone else but didn't win either of the two positions.
"We weren't aware of that until the night of the All Stars and that led to the changes in the process.
"As always happens in this country, there were theories of conspiracies and that we deliberately ignored him, but it was basically just a terrible mistake."
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Charlie having a go at A.O.S in the Sunday world this morning.The surprise here is somebody paying Charlie for his views and writing them down for him. :)
It's the Sunday World they have been 20+ years paying Spillane to fill a column.
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
Charlie having a go at A.O.S in the Sunday world this morning.The surprise here is somebody paying Charlie for his views and writing them down for him. :)
Unless I'm missing something Dublin double and triple mark O Se, leaving other Mayo players open.
I'm open to correction but Mayo seem to consistently score more from play against Dublin than any other team as a result
In fairness he was saying McLoughlin deserved it more.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 05, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
In fairness he was saying McLoughlin deserved it more.
I was referring more to his statement that yet again AOS didn't score against Dublin in a final
Quote from: whitey on November 05, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 05, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
In fairness he was saying McLoughlin deserved it more.
I was referring more to his statement that yet again AOS didn't score against Dublin in a final
In fairness AOS doesn't score in most games. Not really in his arsenal. Biggest issue with AOS is him gassing in the final 15 and his opposite number running amok. James McCarthy was catapulted from no where to second favourite for the PotY for exactly that reason.
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2017, 05:55:24 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 05, 2017, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 05, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
In fairness he was saying McLoughlin deserved it more.
I was referring more to his statement that yet again AOS didn't score against Dublin in a final
In fairness AOS doesn't score in most games. Not really in his arsenal. Biggest issue with AOS is him gassing in the final 15 and his opposite number running amok. James McCarthy was catapulted from no where to second favourite for the PotY for exactly that reason.
Connolly doesn't score too much against Mayo.....he's still a brilliant player....we just have him figured out the same way the Dubs have AOS figured out
Mayo keeper and 3 defenders in the All star team. Lost twice in championship and conceded an average of 1-13 a game. The annual GAA All star Mayo sympathy awards.
Moran deserved player of the year.
Cluxton deserved keeper spot, he is so good and was so good this year they had to change the rules of the game to try and contain him. I'm sure he doesn't mind with his 5 All Ireland medals. He shouldn't even bother going next year if nominated.
But always politics at play.
Agree wrt Cluxton not getting one. Was by a distance the best keeper all year in my opinion.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 06, 2017, 09:12:47 AM
Agree wrt Cluxton not getting one. Was by a distance the best keeper all year in my opinion.
Cluxton played in a single competitive game all summer - you or I could have been the Dublin keeper in all but the AI final and the results would have been the same.
Clarke had a marathon summer and is the best shot stopper and the safest pair of hands under a high ball in the square in the country. He made a more meaningful contribution to his team's success this year than Cluxton did, if we're being honest about it.
Quote from: Syferus on November 06, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Cluxton played in a single competitive game all summer - you or I could have been the Dublin keeper in all but the AI final and the results would have been the same.
Clarke had a marathon summer and is the best shot stopper and the safest pair of hands under a high ball in the square in the country. He made a more meaningful contribution to his team's success this year than Cluxton did, if we're being honest about it.
Mayo didn't win the league, their provincial championship or the All Ireland. They won zero silverware all year long. Ok, they got to the AI final, but in the AI series, they lost to Galway, needed extra time to beat non Division 1 counties Derry and Cork, struggled to beat Clare and failed to beat both Roscommon and Kerry in their first encounters. Shouldn't all that - and Clarke's role in it - be all be taken into account too, when judging who is or is not worthy of post season awards? Yes, Cluxton only had one tough game all summer, but he played a massive role in the big gulf in class between Dublin and their opponents all summer long. Yet he should be penalized for it at awards time and Clarke shouldn't?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
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Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Not if he had to play Dublin every year.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Not if he had to play Dublin every year.
I don't know. With teams so evenly matched a manager can really make the difference
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Not if he had to play Dublin every year.
I don't know. With teams so evenly matched a manager can really make the difference
JivGavin got his changes right for the final replay last year. The less said about Rochford's crazy decision to drop a solid keeper for a back up with a history of big game errors was the difference last year
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Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Does people in 2017 actually believe in curses?
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Muttley wouldn't have as many medals!😁
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23032362_1388370511306398_5584409828708165361_n.jpg?oh=5fb4c1ee2c0c90e6fadb84ed36b1695d&oe=5A6E89F3)
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23172438_1388950711248378_514712286843423856_n.jpg?oh=a2dba06dbb3e45ed628896571b74870c&oe=5A9A96C2)
Jim's medals remind me of this:
https://youtu.be/r-j_7VLPf7o
wasn't Dermot early wearing his medals as well ?
maybe all army guys do it
as well and the GAA president
Quote from: rosnarun on November 07, 2017, 09:52:05 AM
wasn't Dermot early wearing his medals as well ?
maybe all army guys do it
as well and the GAA president
Yeah, Dermot Earley had 3 medals too. Looked to be the same 3 as Gavin. Earley also had some class of gold rope hanging down from his left shoulder.
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Quote from: rosnarun on November 07, 2017, 09:52:05 AM
wasn't Dermot early wearing his medals as well ?
maybe all army guys do it
as well and the GAA president
Yeah, Dermot Earley had 3 medals too. Looked to be the same 3 as Gavin. Earley also had some class of gold rope hanging down from his left shoulder.
Earley is still serving, as he's on a leave of absence rather than retired, so he was wearing his army dress uniform.
Gavin just had his medals pinned on a regular tux, as he is retired from the Defence Forces. It's quite normal for retired military to do that.
I think his medals signify a deployment to Liberia or Chad. Earley's were different, as definitely included Lebanon.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
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Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Does people in 2017 actually believe in curses?
probably not but it is still talked about. However, that part of my comment was tongue in cheek
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Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Does people in 2017 actually believe in curses?
Seems like they do, unfortunately. Not that anyone would admit it openly but it's hard for many not to believe that Mayo's bizarre run of AI looses can be put down to bad luck alone.
For those who still believe in pisreogs and superstitions and the likes, and there are many of them, there's something unnatural about Mayo's knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
My father told me that the craic about a cranky priest being disturbed during a funeral mass by the motorcade of cars passing by his church at the time could never had happened. For one thing, there weren't victory processions of that sort at that time. People didn't have the money to spend on fuel unless it was absolutely necessary and hawking the cup and the team from town to town would have been a luxury that most people could not afford.
Apart from that, Padraig Carney, one of the players still alive, said that the team returned to Mayo by car. Some had their own cars, while the rest got lifts but they didn't travel together in a group either. Still, there are people who believe in this nonsense and I'm afraid that the players are only human and might be affected by the bad vibes coming from some of the supporters.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2017, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 06, 2017, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on November 06, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Does people in 2017 actually believe in curses?
Seems like they do, unfortunately. Not that anyone would admit it openly but it's hard for many not to believe that Mayo's bizarre run of AI looses can be put down to bad luck alone.
For those who still believe in pisreogs and superstitions and the likes, and there are many of them, there's something unnatural about Mayo's knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
My father told me that the craic about a cranky priest being disturbed during a funeral mass by the motorcade of cars passing by his church at the time could never had happened. For one thing, there weren't victory processions of that sort at that time. People didn't have the money to spend on fuel unless it was absolutely necessary and hawking the cup and the team from town to town would have been a luxury that most people could not afford.
Apart from that, Padraig Carney, one of the players still alive, said that the team returned to Mayo by car. Some had their own cars, while the rest got lifts but they didn't travel together in a group either. Still, there are people who believe in this nonsense and I'm afraid that the players are only human and might be affected by the bad vibes coming from some of the supporters.
The late great Willie Casey (who is actually in the team photo in 51) also told me as was told to him by Paddy Moclair, that the exact same curse fairytale was attached to the 1930's Mayo team that only gleaned one All Ireland during the 6 in a row league success.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 07, 2017, 02:18:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 06, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
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Quote from: Gael85 on November 06, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 04, 2017, 12:14:34 AM
Found the interview by Lyster with Jim Galvin - with Jim Showing off his medals for service a bit of an "[i]up his own arse[/i]" moment! That and the way he danced around questions with the Bertie Ahernesque stutter!
Think your been very harsh on Jim. Is very passionate about his job and is most certainly not not up his own arse.
Yeah agree, some people just cant help themselves when it comes to him.
I wouldn't worry about the begrudgers. Jealousy no doubt plays a part. Id imagine if Gavin had have been managing Mayo the last few years, the curse would have been well and truly broken
Does people in 2017 actually believe in curses?
Seems like they do, unfortunately. Not that anyone would admit it openly but it's hard for many not to believe that Mayo's bizarre run of AI looses can be put down to bad luck alone.
For those who still believe in pisreogs and superstitions and the likes, and there are many of them, there's something unnatural about Mayo's knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
My father told me that the craic about a cranky priest being disturbed during a funeral mass by the motorcade of cars passing by his church at the time could never had happened. For one thing, there weren't victory processions of that sort at that time. People didn't have the money to spend on fuel unless it was absolutely necessary and hawking the cup and the team from town to town would have been a luxury that most people could not afford.
Apart from that, Padraig Carney, one of the players still alive, said that the team returned to Mayo by car. Some had their own cars, while the rest got lifts but they didn't travel together in a group either. Still, there are people who believe in this nonsense and I'm afraid that the players are only human and might be affected by the bad vibes coming from some of the supporters.
Paddy Prendergast has said - "Counties weren't as accommodating as they are today and there weren't cars running all over the place. We travelled by truck from Charlestown to Ballina in the back of a lorry and stopped in Swinford and Foxford.
"We stopped at every town. When we arrived in Foxford there was a funeral and we were in the truck with very high cribs at that time.
"Apparently there was a funeral and standing around the church, which is some distance from the square, there was a few people standing outside. But we weren't getting out of the truck or anything else.''
He said the Cribs stopped the players from being able to dismount the Trailer.
"But they always said afterwards, 'Ah because the priest said [what he said] Mayo will never win an All-Ireland and that's the curse."
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
Trying to prove the curse doesn't exist is pretty funny.
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
They had a Priest playing for them that year - Iggy Clarke. He had to sacrifice playing in the final so Galway would win! So they reenacted the escape to victory Moment and broke Iggy's arm!
I've heard the Galway footballers are Cursed from winning a Championship game in Croke Park. That one is as scary as Mayo's AI final hoodoo!
We all know the Rhubarbs will win Sam when they have no Ballagh players on their team/panel.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
They had a Priest playing for them that year - Iggy Clarke. He had to sacrifice playing in the final so Galway would win! So they reenacted the escape to victory Moment and broke Iggy's arm!
I've heard the Galway footballers are Cursed from winning a Championship game in Croke Park. That one is as scary as Mayo's AI final hoodoo!
When did Mayo win a semi.in CP before the 1989 championship ? Was it in the 50s?
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
They had a Priest playing for them that year - Iggy Clarke. He had to sacrifice playing in the final so Galway would win! So they reenacted the escape to victory Moment and broke Iggy's arm!
I've heard the Galway footballers are Cursed from winning a Championship game in Croke Park. That one is as scary as Mayo's AI final hoodoo!
When did Mayo win a semi.in CP before the 1989 championship ? Was it in the 50s?
Mayo only made 2 Championship appearances in Croker between 1955 and 1981! That's Two championship games in Croker in two and a half decades!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
They had a Priest playing for them that year - Iggy Clarke. He had to sacrifice playing in the final so Galway would win! So they reenacted the escape to victory Moment and broke Iggy's arm!
I've heard the Galway footballers are Cursed from winning a Championship game in Croke Park. That one is as scary as Mayo's AI final hoodoo!
When did Mayo win a semi.in CP before the 1989 championship ? Was it in the 50s?
Mayo only made 2 Championship appearances in Croker between 1955 and 1981! That's Two championship games in Croker in two and a half decades!
Were semis played elsewhere or did they only win 2 Connacht finals ?
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 05:57:36 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 07, 2017, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 07, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Galway hurlers were supposed to be cursed as well. Until 1980
They had a Priest playing for them that year - Iggy Clarke. He had to sacrifice playing in the final so Galway would win! So they reenacted the escape to victory Moment and broke Iggy's arm!
I've heard the Galway footballers are Cursed from winning a Championship game in Croke Park. That one is as scary as Mayo's AI final hoodoo!
When did Mayo win a semi.in CP before the 1989 championship ? Was it in the 50s?
Mayo only made 2 Championship appearances in Croker between 1955 and 1981! That's Two championship games in Croker in two and a half decades!
Were semis played elsewhere or did they only win 2 Connacht finals ?
Two connacht titles during that period! 1967 and 1969!