New winners of Sam or Liam

rory · October 02, 2009, 01:12:02 PM

This decade saw 2 first time winners of Sam (Armagh and Tyrone) and the 90's saw 2 also (Derry and Donegal). I think the last new winner of Liam was Offaly in '81.

So, will there be another new winner any time soon. I doubt there will be one in hurling, but as for football, Fermanagh, Monaghan, Sligo, Laois or Westmeath are the only team probably capable of getting to the latter stages.

Will there ever be another first time winner?

AFS · October 02, 2009, 01:18:34 PM

I think Antrim and Wicklow, given their populations, are better long term bets than some of the counties that you've named there. As much as I'd like to see them do it, I can't ever see Fermanagh assembling a team capable of going all the way with the size of their playing base.

GalwayBayBoy · October 02, 2009, 01:20:12 PM

We'll be waiting a while I think.

SLIGONIAN · October 02, 2009, 01:22:01 PM

Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this

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Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.

western exile · October 02, 2009, 01:25:51 PM

Monaghan are very close. They have had unbelievable bad luck of the draw in the Qualifiers. Perhaps they may have missed their chance, but then again perhaps they still have enough left to go the whole way.

ONeill · October 02, 2009, 01:44:44 PM

In 1999 the only signifier for Tyrone was the '97/'98 minor sides. The senior side were very average. Wouldn't have been too confident of an All-Ireland within 10 years. Armagh had just won their first Ulster in 100 years in '99 and coupled with the Cross achievements then an All-Ireland was distinctly predictable.

Laois, Monaghan, Sligo, Fermanagh, Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford, Clare, Carlow, Kilkenny, Longford, Westmeath and Wicklow.

Laois reached U21 final in 2006 and the minors won in 2003. In the immediate future they represent a best bet, yet very slim at that. Winning a Leinster would be an achievement.

I think Monaghan (present side) are on the wane.

Joe Umbrella (hey) · October 02, 2009, 01:46:48 PM

With regards to the above comments, niether Fermanagh nor Monaghan will win Sam anytime soon as they just dont have they players. Both teams have improved in recent years due to the employment of extreme defensive systems but in reality neither have even won Ulster with the current panels. Its no secret that Banty has searched far and wide for new players whilst Fermanagh have had problems with finding a decent free taker in recent years and also a couple of scoring forwards.

As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.

Definatley Antrim for me a team to watch out for in the future. A good young squad a result of a lot of work being done at grass roots, do'nt know if it will end up with an AI though

under the bar · October 02, 2009, 01:55:27 PM

QuoteWill there ever be another first time winner?

In both codes the answer is yes. Of course there will be other winners eventually.

cornafean · October 02, 2009, 01:59:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.

Fair enough, but if Monaghan had faced Longford, Sligo and Antrim in this year's qualifiers, they would have been odds-on to progress to the quarter-finals. They would also have had a good chance of beating Dublin, and maybe even Meath in the semi-final.

western exile · October 02, 2009, 02:06:11 PM

Quote from: cornafean on October 02, 2009, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
As for Monaghan not having any luck in the qualifiers, that's rubbish - Niether Tyrone last year nor Kerry this year who both came through the qualifiers needed luck. Its all about class and qaulity. Good teams make thier own luk.

Fair enough, but if Monaghan had faced Longford, Sligo and Antrim in this year's qualifiers, they would have been odds-on to progress to the quarter-finals. They would also have had a good chance of beating Dublin, and maybe even Meath in the semi-final.

Correct. No one is saying that about Monaghan and luck. What was said was that they have had "bad luck of the draw" ! Which is true. No county has had to face such strong opposition in the qualifers as often as Monaghan has

Canalman · October 02, 2009, 02:43:53 PM

Laois or Antrim imo. Monaghan I think have overachieved (to their credit) recently but being hard to beat/ break down alone won't win you the AI.

I like Antrim/St Gall's style of football.

No hope I'm afraid for Longford, Leitrim, Westmeath or Wicklow for a while yet.

Farrandeelin · October 02, 2009, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this .

Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.

2024 it is so for you to win Sam at least once. I'll mark that down somewhere. Dublin have 3 years to win Liam McCarthy because my cousin told me 7 years ago that Dublin would win one in the next decade!

SLIGONIAN · October 02, 2009, 04:42:07 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 02, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Sligo will win Sam within the next 15yrs. Im sure when we do budweiser will repost this .

Fermanagh should of got into a AI FINAL in this decade IMO so I wouldnt write them off.

2024 it is so for you to win Sam at least once. I'll mark that down somewhere. Dublin have 3 years to win Liam McCarthy because my cousin told me 7 years ago that Dublin would win one in the next decade!

No worries Farrandeelin, we are going to do it.

Well lads last yr Sligo didnt exactly get easy ride in the draw, Tipp in Tipp and Kerry in Kerry.

blanketattack · October 02, 2009, 04:55:41 PM

I think Sligo might be next. They beat the '03 chamions in '02 and came closest to beating the '09 champions (in the c'ship proper).
If Brian Cody and Kilkenny get bored of winning hurling All-Irelands and switch to concentrating 100% on football instead I'm sure they'd win one before long as well. Tommy Walsh would become the new Ryan McMenamin!
Going by population Wicklow.

GalwayBayBoy · October 02, 2009, 05:00:33 PM

Sligo will do well to win another Connacht title in the next 15 years let alone an All-Ireland. Christ Galway may not even win all All-Ireland in the next 15 years. That's just the way these things go. History has taught us that much.

I wish I had the optimism of some of our neighbours. I think we're a pessimistic breed down here.