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Show posts MenuQuote from: cornerback on April 18, 2024, 11:42:08 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 18, 2024, 11:32:54 PMDerry going with the same team as the league final.
No real surprise didn't think they'd risk McKinless from the start and he's a great impact sub.
No Murphy on the bench??
Can changes be made to the 26? Harte normally names his subs in alphabetical order. Doherty is out of place & Murphy would fit in at 25 alphabetically.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 18, 2024, 09:49:33 AMAny of you see Declan Bogues iinterview on OTB?
McGuinness still holds a grudge with him and wouldn't speak to journalists at the Ulster launch unless he left.
12 years ago and still holding a grudge he doesnt sway from his principles McGuinness.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 09:08:59 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2024, 08:55:21 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 08:49:02 PMHmm, honestly if you said to me now win Ulster and go out in group or lose in Ulster and lose in a semi final I think I'd take an Ulster given a fair chunk of our team were in primary school when we last won it.Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2024, 05:58:47 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2024, 03:03:17 PMQuote from: Itchy on April 16, 2024, 01:02:45 PMQuote from: Tones on April 16, 2024, 11:28:47 AMIs it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it. There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.
I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.
What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?
You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.
The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree. They could miss out on Ulster and make an All Ireland final which to me would be far less of a failure than winning Ulster and going out in the group stages. Similarly I'd rather have been promoted this year than win Ulster. That's not to say doing both wouldn't be nice but simply that Ulster can be viewed in isolation.
You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.
(Pointless argument anyway because if you win Ulster and go in as top seed there would be something seriously wrong if you couldnt at least make a preliminary QF)
That's a perfectly valid view but I don't think it's one universally shared. I don't feel that way and I feel a provincial championship is as meaningful as it once was.