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Would it be possible to refer all those who have a gripe about the Dublin County Board, Dublin GAA, the Dublin Football team, the Dublin Hurling Team, Dublin supporters, Jim Gavin, Diarmuid Connolly, Dublin in the Rare Auld Times, Molly Malone etc. to this thread? It might then stop them polluting every other thread in which Dublin is mentioned.
I live in hope.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2017, 02:48:49 PM
FAO: Board Administrator
Would it be possible to refer all those who have a gripe about the Dublin County Board, Dublin GAA, the Dublin Football team, the Dublin Hurling Team, Dublin supporters, Jim Gavin, Diarmuid Connolly, Dublin in the Rare Auld Times, Molly Malone etc. to this thread? It might then stop them polluting every other thread in which Dublin is mentioned.
I live in hope.
Most people's gripe is with the GAA who sought this situation with their allocation of resources . Good luck to Dublin team , county board , Galvin etc . Connolly needs to cool his jets and the many of the supporters could do with being less triumphalist and less myopic.
"This tired, abstract anger – inarticulate passive opposition – always the same thing in Dublin" - Samuel Beckett
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
How many people in Dublin use the possessive we form when referring to Man Utd ?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
Ahhhhh right.
So that's why Leitrim keep winning Connacht Titles so.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
How many people in Dublin use the possessive we form when referring to Man Utd ?
Probably as many as anywhere else I'd guess?
I like it lads - now let's confine these and similar arguements to THIS thread and not spoil so many other threads with the rehashing of these same arguments. E.g. It didn't take long for a recent thread on Stephen Cluxton (one of the greatest football goalkeepers) to deteriorate into the usual "what to do about Dublin" debate.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
smaller county boards might encourage more clubs to form
Dublin used to have a lot of small park based clubs but they've been going out of existence -squeezed by growing mega clubs
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 18, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
smaller county boards might encourage more clubs to form
Dublin used to have a lot of small park based clubs but they've been going out of existence -squeezed by growing mega clubs
I think there's still park clubs in the lower reaches but the super-clubs have gone onto AI club titles.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 18, 2017, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 18, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
smaller county boards might encourage more clubs to form
Dublin used to have a lot of small park based clubs but they've been going out of existence -squeezed by growing mega clubs
I think there's still park clubs in the lower reaches but the super-clubs have gone onto AI club titles.
Dublin lads I've talked to say some of the underage games in Dublin are like cattle marts for the big clubs, when they see a good lad at a smaller club they get onto the parents and try to get little Jimmy to switch, usually breaking about half the written and unwritten rules of the GAA in the process.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
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A forum full of Ewan (Spewan) McKenna's
You may laugh, but be careful what you wish for, as sometime in the future you may have North Dublin vs. South Dublin competing in the last 4 or 2 every year.
Iv been through this argument before with ignorant posters who let their hate for all things Dublin rule reason and logic.
Please also stop sending the country folk to Dublin too and tell them to stop sending their kids to GAA clubs. Thanks.
Anyway as stated before 5 current players (with Alan Brogan) played senior for Dublin = natural ability = its in the blood in Dublin now.
So enjoy the next few years because 1. Nothing will be done by the GAA, 2. Dublin are always going to be there or there abouts like they always have been 3. This is the way the GAA is now, live with it or move to a different sport. Dublin are the big dog now and its not going to change.
Dublin went to the GAA with a watertight, well thought out plan. The GAA rightly backed it and the transformation in Dublin GAA has been tremendous. It's not perfect but the very real threat of GAA being a minority activity in the capital has been defeated, for now.
Dublin's dominance of Leinster is a big concern but has as much to do with the Kildare's, Meath's etc not getting their act together as Dublin being too strong. Westmeath and Carlow have made a fight of it with Dublin in recent years and thankfully it looks like Kildare are now responding to the challenge. Dublin aren't dominant at underage level though and won't always have as brilliant a manager as Jim Gavin over their senior team. His ability to manage the resources at his disposal is his brilliance in my book and it's not something most GAA coaches would be familiar or comfortable with. To my mind this is a brilliant Dublin team with a brilliant coach. What follows is up for debate. Let us see what happens.
If other counties are willing to learn and are driven to succeed they can reach the levels Dublin are at. Kerry are a special case but the likes of Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal at various times can match Dublin. Mayo are the best example in ways. They have tremendous self belief which carries them a long way. Many counties have the exact opposite but Mayo genuinely see themselves as Dublin's equals. Credit to them for that but you can see why they're able to compete.
Too much is made of teams ability levels by one off results by media and it seeps into peoples consciousness. Embrace the challenge posed by a great team and improve to meet it.
Gas man.
We only recently had Jim Gavin attempting to influence what can be said on The Sunday Game and now we have a poster on here trying to influence whats written on these boards.
Seriously if you can't handle the truth then stick to reservoir dubs. After all they banish people from other counties on there.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 19, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Dublin went to the GAA with a watertight, well thought out plan. The GAA rightly backed it and the transformation in Dublin GAA has been tremendous. It's not perfect but the very real threat of GAA being a minority activity in the capital has been defeated, for now.
Dublin's dominance of Leinster is a big concern but has as much to do with the Kildare's, Meath's etc not getting their act together as Dublin being too strong. Westmeath and Carlow have made a fight of it with Dublin in recent years and thankfully it looks like Kildare are now responding to the challenge. Dublin aren't dominant at underage level though and won't always have as brilliant a manager as Jim Gavin over their senior team. His ability to manage the resources at his disposal is his brilliance in my book and it's not something most GAA coaches would be familiar or comfortable with. To my mind this is a brilliant Dublin team with a brilliant coach. What follows is up for debate. Let us see what happens.
If other counties are willing to learn and are driven to succeed they can reach the levels Dublin are at. Kerry are a special case but the likes of Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal at various times can match Dublin. Mayo are the best example in ways. They have tremendous self belief which carries them a long way. Many counties have the exact opposite but Mayo genuinely see themselves as Dublin's equals. Credit to them for that but you can see why they're able to compete.
Too much is made of teams ability levels by one off results by media and it seeps into peoples consciousness. Embrace the challenge posed by a great team and improve to meet it.
thank you, the above is correct.
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
Gas man.
We only recently had Jim Gavin attempting to influence what can be said on The Sunday Game and now we have a poster on here trying to influence whats written on these boards.
Seriously if you can't handle the truth then stick to reservoir dubs. After all they banish people from other counties on there.
Thank you, the above is ignorantly incorrect. Jim Gavin was right in what he did, he backed is main man when nobody else would and was witch hunted down my hidden figures lurking on social media, the country people working in the media, the Kerry propaganda employees and shamefully even one of our own, Good management by Jim Gavin, very good management. And that's the difference.
I think Connolly deserved his suspension and should have been suspended. I also think Gavin was 100% correct in coming out to defend his player and attack the hamfisted cockartistry of the lads on the Sunday Game. They've been meddling in disciplinary matters in a non measured way for years. Gavin isn't the first to complain but the highest profile. Withdrawing interviews etc makes them bleat loudly too.
Dublin won this year's Leinster Senior U21 and Minor and are in the U17 Final.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Dublin won this year's Leinster Senior U21 and Minor and are in the U17 Final.
Kerry
Munster minor football: Kerry 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Current Munster U-21 winners
Current Munster senior and national league winners.
Quick, someone set up a thread, they are winning too much, lets get them.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 19, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Dublin went to the GAA with a watertight, well thought out plan. The GAA rightly backed it and the transformation in Dublin GAA has been tremendous. It's not perfect but the very real threat of GAA being a minority activity in the capital has been defeated, for now.
Dublin's dominance of Leinster is a big concern but has as much to do with the Kildare's, Meath's etc not getting their act together as Dublin being too strong. Westmeath and Carlow have made a fight of it with Dublin in recent years and thankfully it looks like Kildare are now responding to the challenge. Dublin aren't dominant at underage level though and won't always have as brilliant a manager as Jim Gavin over their senior team. His ability to manage the resources at his disposal is his brilliance in my book and it's not something most GAA coaches would be familiar or comfortable with. To my mind this is a brilliant Dublin team with a brilliant coach. What follows is up for debate. Let us see what happens.
If other counties are willing to learn and are driven to succeed they can reach the levels Dublin are at. Kerry are a special case but the likes of Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal at various times can match Dublin. Mayo are the best example in ways. They have tremendous self belief which carries them a long way. Many counties have the exact opposite but Mayo genuinely see themselves as Dublin's equals. Credit to them for that but you can see why they're able to compete.
Too much is made of teams ability levels by one off results by media and it seeps into peoples consciousness. Embrace the challenge posed by a great team and improve to meet it.
thank you, the above is correct.
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
Gas man.
We only recently had Jim Gavin attempting to influence what can be said on The Sunday Game and now we have a poster on here trying to influence whats written on these boards.
Seriously if you can't handle the truth then stick to reservoir dubs. After all they banish people from other counties on there.
Thank you, the above is ignorantly incorrect. Jim Gavin was right in what he did, he backed is main man when nobody else would and was witch hunted down my hidden figures lurking on social media, the country people working in the media, the Kerry propaganda employees and shamefully even one of our own, Good management by Jim Gavin, very good management. And that's the difference.
Country people working in the media are a scourge. They should recuse themselves from stories involving the Dubs, especially in the Herald.
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
Its mind boggling what people see ad don't see.
Look at the Leinster minor championship and compare it to the u21 and senior ones. Notice anything? Other counties are competitive up to minor level but then it's a complete non event after that. The GAA have single handedly f***** up the Leinster Championship and all some on here can do if blame the likes of Meath and Kildare for not having their houses in order. The Leinster minor Championship says that up to that age they do have their houses in order.
Others then ask us to enjoy this once in a lifetime Dublin team as they won't be around forever. Have a look at the 2011 Dublin AI winning team. Or have a look at the 2013 Dublin AI winning. team. Now try and tell me it's a once in a lifetime team.
It's only a matter of time before this transfers to a nationwide problem. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
Not quite sure what you mean by 'population.'
Are you referring to the numbers actively engaged in club football or the general population of the county.
Either way, I'm afraid the facts don't support your argument.
It's not the number of clubs that count but the number of players in such clubs.
As far back as the early 90s, a report commissioned by Central Council found that 5 Dublin clubs had more juvenile players than any one of 5 named counties. With rural numbers steadily decreasing and their urban counterparts growing all the while, the imbalance is even worse now.
Sure many kids drop out but those who survive to senior level are the pick of those who have risen through the ranks. Players that show promise will be encouraged to stay on and those who don't make it drop out or are pushed and many will drift away from the club and from the GAA in general.
During this year's club championships. St Vincents with a total membership of 971, (website figures) played a small midlands club that had only half that number of people in the half parish it represented.
You will also find that some Dublin's mega clubs will have more resources at their disposal than some of the smaller counties. It isn't the number of players in a club that counts, it's the number the club has to to pick from.
If you are talking about the general population, I'd really like to see what your reasons for making that statement are. To me, there is no room for argument here but I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks otherwise.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
I dont mind Morgan getting a bit of criticism for this as it was uncalled for, but at the same time, it was no worse that several Down players doing the exact same sort of thing during the same game which hasn't been highlighted at all.
Sounds like a lot of the above should be belong under a GAA or Leinster council GAA thread, this is the Dublin hate thread for gods sake.
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 19, 2017, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
Not quite sure what you mean by 'population.'
Are you referring to the numbers actively engaged in club football or the general population of the county.
Either way, I'm afraid the facts don't support your argument.
It's not the number of clubs that count but the number of players in such clubs.
As far back as the early 90s, a report commissioned by Central Council found that 5 Dublin clubs had more juvenile players than any one of 5 named counties. With rural numbers steadily decreasing and their urban counterparts growing all the while, the imbalance is even worse now.
Sure many kids drop out but those who survive to senior level are the pick of those who have risen through the ranks. Players that show promise will be encouraged to stay on and those who don't make it drop out or are pushed and many will drift away from the club and from the GAA in general.
During this year's club championships. St Vincents with a total membership of 971, (website figures) played a small midlands club that had only half that number of people in the half parish it represented.
You will also find that some Dublin's mega clubs will have more resources at their disposal than some of the smaller counties. It isn't the number of players in a club that counts, it's the number the club has to to pick from.
If you are talking about the general population, I'd really like to see what your reasons for making that statement are. To me, there is no room for argument here but I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks otherwise.
So what's the problem? Dublin always had big numbers, why didn't someone bring this up in the 90s?
China and India also have big numbers playing football. An argument can swing either way.
Dublin will always will have big numbers and its something you wont get an apology for, its the best thing to happen in Dublin and great to see so many children playing our national game in our capital city, id say you would agree, only solution is grouping clubs and counties together.
A women in work from Kildare said she can get over the amount of kids at the Cul Camps down there in the Newbridge area etc. Kildare to be the next big team down the line, following by Meath, by pure demographics of the spread of urbanisation to the those counties.
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 09:56:09 AM
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
No one in Dublin sees Tyrone as a threat.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
No one in Dublin sees Tyrone as a threat.
Mickey will be delighted with that.
Has Syfīn been appointed as spokesman for 1.3 million Jackeens?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 09:56:09 AM
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.
People like me? People like me spend a lot of our time coaching kids. People like me spend a lot of our time in committee rooms. People like me spend a lot of our time setting up pitches for games. People like me give over a lot of our free time to try and give kids a chance no matter what their ability.
I'm perfectly chilled most of the time. But its grinds my gears when its dismissed out of hand that the fact that the Gaa have pumped millions in to Dublin Gaa has nothing got to do with their recent success.
Make light of it all you want. Calling posters 'people like me' is typical of the attitude of some of the Dub fans on here. Ever stop and think that it might be genuine concern with the way the Gaa is heading?
No? Didnt think so.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
No one in Dublin sees Tyrone as a threat.
Mickey will be delighted with that.
He can be as delighted as he wants. Tyrone won't be beating Dublin.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
No one in Dublin sees Tyrone as a threat.
Mickey will be delighted with that.
He can be as delighted as he wants. Tyrone won't be beating Dublin.
I wouldn't be dismissing Tyrone. We find it very difficult to break down their blanket defence. The Tyrone are very disciplined and like last Sunday don't give away too many scoreable frees. If they can get more from their inside line they will be contenders. Conor McAliskey is a huge loss this year.
I hate Jim Gavin's grin. There, I vented.
To whoever said stop sending country people to Dublin, seriously, it's been going on for decades. I mentioned before to Hound I think that it's a political issue - not a topic to discuss on GAA discussion.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 19, 2017, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
I dont mind Morgan getting a bit of criticism for this as it was uncalled for, but at the same time, it was no worse that several Down players doing the exact same sort of thing during the same game which hasn't been highlighted at all.
No morgan shouldn't have done it end of. As for brogans Rosey tinted specs. Cluxton like Morgan always had talent but was always a potential liability and was sent off v Armagh for a lot worse than Morgan ever did.
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 09:56:09 AM
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.
People like me? People like me spend a lot of our time coaching kids. People like me spend a lot of our time in committee rooms. People like me spend a lot of our time setting up pitches for games. People like me give over a lot of our free time to try and give kids a chance no matter what their ability.
I'm perfectly chilled most of the time. But its grinds my gears when its dismissed out of hand that the fact that the Gaa have pumped millions in to Dublin Gaa has nothing got to do with their recent success.
Make light of it all you want. Calling posters 'people like me' is typical of the attitude of some of the Dub fans on here. Ever stop and think that it might be genuine concern with the way the Gaa is heading?
No? Didnt think so.
I'm probably taking this up wrong and I'm not directing this at you but I hate this insinuation that Dublin doesn't have this culture of people giving up their time to coach kids for the love of the game.im a primary teacher so I see first hand the level of volunteerism at schools level never mind clubs in Dublin.its not just a matter of throwing money at coaches. Dublin has at the very least the same level of volunteers who give up evenings,weekends,school holidays to coach kids.
I suppose their seems to be this attitude of the Dubs not having the same pride in the GAA as a whole in comparison to people from around the country.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 10:40:52 AM
Has Syfīn been appointed as spokesman for 1.3 million Jackeens?
I think he may be Jared Kushner''s Gorthaganny Doppelgänger
Dublin have always had the numbers but didn't have the finances or vision to organise themselves as professionally as they are nowadays. At all levels of the game. This gave smaller counties a fighting chance against them as long as they were well organised themselves and had a sufficient amount of talent available. Dublin + money and organisation was always going to be a case of potentially creating a monster.
I'm not sure there is a way of putting the genie back in the bottle at this stage.
I mean they are not going to win every All-Ireland title going but it's almost impossible to envision a situation again where they win 1 All-Ireland title in 28 years as they did between 1983 and 2011. They should be winning a good scatter every decade from now on bar them taking their eye off the ball.
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 10:35:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
I see the Dublin media bandwagon has rolled out properly this week, Redmond yesterday and Alan Brogan today.
Obviously they feel Tyrone are becoming a threat now too, I suppose they will be their semifinal opponents
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/alan-brogan-tyrone-keeper-niall-morgan-369482
No one in Dublin sees Tyrone as a threat.
Mickey will be delighted with that.
He can be as delighted as he wants. Tyrone won't be beating Dublin.
The oracle has spoken.
Tyrone have a better chance than all apart from Kerry in my eyes. I certainly wouldn't be writing them off.
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 09:56:09 AM
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.
People like me? People like me spend a lot of our time coaching kids. People like me spend a lot of our time in committee rooms. People like me spend a lot of our time setting up pitches for games. People like me give over a lot of our free time to try and give kids a chance no matter what their ability.
I'm perfectly chilled most of the time. But its grinds my gears when its dismissed out of hand that the fact that the Gaa have pumped millions in to Dublin Gaa has nothing got to do with their recent success.
Make light of it all you want. Calling posters 'people like me' is typical of the attitude of some of the Dub fans on here. Ever stop and think that it might be genuine concern with the way the Gaa is heading?
No? Didnt think so.
I honestly can say I've never seen anyone deny that the investment in infrastructure and coaching has helped Dublin.
I was interested in your points earlier about the Leinster Minor championship and U21 championship being competitive but the senior is not. I'd like to explore why that is the case? I know Dublin are strong at all grades every year (that wouldn't be unusual) but why is the dominance sp pronounced at senior? I think Jim Gavin has a lot to do with it.
Leinster Minor titles 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017
Leinster under 21 titles 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
All Ireland Minor 2012
All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016
This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass! :P
There was a time when it looked like the GAA was dying in Dublin, as it faced intense pressure from soccer and rugby. If it died in Dublin, it would lose a lot of its magic everyplace else. I think it's great that we have a brilliant Dublin team. They are a joy to watch. But the efforts of teams like Kerry and Mayo trying to dethrone them have provided riveting drama. It will be no less so this year. Sometimes I even dream that we could be that team before the missus yells at me to wake up and go to work.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Leinster Minor titles 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017
Leinster under 21 titles 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
All Ireland Minor 2012
All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016
This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass! :P
Yep, special time to be a Dub, along with club football going well too.
One of the reasons for this - https://www.buzz.ie/amp/gaa/long-read-how-dublin-breed-footballers-167510
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Leinster Minor titles 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017
Leinster under 21 titles 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
All Ireland Minor 2012
All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016
This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass! :P
Throw up Kerry's record too.not too shabby I'd guess.
Dublin's organic advantages
1. Population
2. Club championship and standard
3. Culture/tradition/heritage
Dublin's inorganic advantages
1. Finance
2. Home advantage
Marry the two and you get what you have. It's not as if they have fantastic infrastructure (a shithole for a stadium, no centre of excellence etc). You would expect to see massive growth in participation levels and new clubs growing by the dozen but you don't. Our money goes on developing their players first through their clubs and then their development squads and finally the elite support team Jim Gavin has assembled.
We are told this waa a great plan, every county should do the same, it's all spin and bolloxology.
Take away the money, home advantage and Dublin will still be competitive, that's the crux. Con O'Callaghan is a product of nuture and there is only dozens more on the way.
This is a national problem, a weak minded media will do nothing, afterall where is there biggest market?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Dublin's organic advantages
1. Population
2. Club championship and standard
3. Culture/tradition/heritage
Dublin's inorganic advantages
1. Finance
2. Home advantage
Marry the two and you get what you have. It's not as if they have fantastic infrastructure (a shithole for a stadium, no centre of excellence etc). You would expect to see massive growth in participation levels and new clubs growing by the dozen but you don't. Our money goes on developing their players first through their clubs and then their development squads and finally the elite support team Jim Gavin has assembled.
We are told this waa a great plan, every county should do the same, it's all spin and bolloxology.
Take away the money, home advantage and Dublin will still be competitive, that's the crux. Con O'Callaghan is a product of nuture and there is only dozens more on the way.
This is a national problem, a weak minded media will do nothing, afterall where is there biggest market?
I agree with all the above to extent. Dublin players and fans will agree with you that they want to play a lot more games outside of Croke park, Cluxton even said it in his speech on Sunday. Playing in Dublin all the time is an advantage which will be happily waived. Winning 4 out the last 5 leagues shows that Dublin can win anywhere in Ireland.
However, 5 current players father played and won All Irelands for Dublin = Natural sporting ability. Just like so many counties , to say players are products is not accurate.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 19, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: mup on July 19, 2017, 09:56:09 AM
Its not a Dublin hate thread. Read the title.
It is so people like yourself can vent. Chill out man, more important things in life than the Dublin senior footballers have a good team once every 15 years.
People like me? People like me spend a lot of our time coaching kids. People like me spend a lot of our time in committee rooms. People like me spend a lot of our time setting up pitches for games. People like me give over a lot of our free time to try and give kids a chance no matter what their ability.
I'm perfectly chilled most of the time. But its grinds my gears when its dismissed out of hand that the fact that the Gaa have pumped millions in to Dublin Gaa has nothing got to do with their recent success.
Make light of it all you want. Calling posters 'people like me' is typical of the attitude of some of the Dub fans on here. Ever stop and think that it might be genuine concern with the way the Gaa is heading?
No? Didnt think so.
I'm probably taking this up wrong and I'm not directing this at you but I hate this insinuation that Dublin doesn't have this culture of people giving up their time to coach kids for the love of the game.im a primary teacher so I see first hand the level of volunteerism at schools level never mind clubs in Dublin.its not just a matter of throwing money at coaches. Dublin has at the very least the same level of volunteers who give up evenings,weekends,school holidays to coach kids.
I suppose their seems to be this attitude of the Dubs not having the same pride in the GAA as a whole in comparison to people from around the country.
If I insinuated that then its not what I meant. Of course there are hard working people at grassroots GAA in Dublin as there is in every other county. However it's a lot easier with the resources available within Dublin. How hard must it be for coaches in the likes of Westmeath to motivate kids after seeing their senior county team get a 31 point mauling at the hands of Dublin?
You might accuse me of being over dramatic but I see this being a huge national problem for the GAA within 10 years. They have been implicit in creating a super structure within their own organisation. They failed to foresee the problem with pumping millions into a county in the hope of raising the profile of the GAA in the capital. No doubt their 'plan' has worked for Dublin GAA but not for those outside it. No doubt it's a fantastic time to be a follower of Dublin GAA. Maybe just maybe those outside Dublin who are concerned about the GAA finances are genuinely concerned and not bitter as suggested by some Dublin fans.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 19, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Dublin's organic advantages
1. Population
2. Club championship and standard
3. Culture/tradition/heritage
Dublin's inorganic advantages
1. Finance
2. Home advantage
Marry the two and you get what you have. It's not as if they have fantastic infrastructure (a shithole for a stadium, no centre of excellence etc). You would expect to see massive growth in participation levels and new clubs growing by the dozen but you don't. Our money goes on developing their players first through their clubs and then their development squads and finally the elite support team Jim Gavin has assembled.
We are told this waa a great plan, every county should do the same, it's all spin and bolloxology.
Take away the money, home advantage and Dublin will still be competitive, that's the crux. Con O'Callaghan is a product of nuture and there is only dozens more on the way.
This is a national problem, a weak minded media will do nothing, afterall where is there biggest market?
I agree with all the above to extent. Dublin players and fans will agree with you that they want to play a lot more games outside of Croke park, Cluxton even said it in his speech on Sunday. Playing in Dublin all the time is an advantage which will be happily waived. Winning 4 out the last 5 leagues shows that Dublin can win anywhere in Ireland.
However, 5 current players father played and won All Irelands for Dublin = Natural sporting ability. Just like so many counties , to say players are products is not accurate.
Which is tied in with culture/heritage/tradition those young lads would have grown up with footballs trying to emulate their Dads, it's the very essence of nuture 1000s of hours kicking ball, being coached and corrected by an intercounty footballer, someone who understands what it takes, absolutely incalcable that kind of knowledge transfer.
Dublin and Kerry really have that tradition, a fantastic organic advantage, winning All Ireland's, Kilkenny in hurling as well and in 10 county sport that really stands out.
Laois and even Westmeath used to produce very good minor football teams.
now they cannot compete with Dublin and young talented lads in the county don't bother as they know the resources aren't in the county for a proper setup to compete and win a provincial title.
its not an even playing field in terms of how counties can develop players
Westmeath doesn't even have a training pitch or proper modern gym facilities.
Here is some good insight into how the underage structures and development squads are run in Dublin by Shocko.
From September 2016y so probably posted before. https://www.buzz.ie/amp/gaa/long-read-how-dublin-breed-footballers-167510
Would former inter- county players not coach underage teams in other counties? Probably not if they didn't get paid.......
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 04:15:15 PM
Here is some good insight into how the underage structures and development squads are run in Dublin by Shocko.
From September 2016y so probably posted before. https://www.buzz.ie/amp/gaa/long-read-how-dublin-breed-footballers-167510
Would former inter- county players not coach underage teams in other counties? Probably not if they didn't get paid.......
there are arguments every year in rural counties about gear for U14 county squads or equipment for U16 squads
some lads involved with these squads often have to go off and find sponsorship to cover costs
Dublin don't have that issue.
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
And still you feel the need to comment.
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
I have no real problem with dublin but all 32 counties should get equal share of gaa funding no matter its population or no of the clubs! All are entering all-irelands on equal footing carlow; letrim; sligo; tyrone; galway; westmeath all are entitled to equal gaa funding! It may improve facilities which some counties like westmeath and poor home grounds like drogheda in louth are badly lacking
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
+1
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
It's a GAA discussion board, not a Gaelic fuball board
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
How so? It's a
GAA Discussion board - and as real GAA supporters know, Gaelic football is an unskillful muck up of a sport (if someone can tell me where the talent is in blasting a big round ball over a bar from ten yards I'll buy them a Guinness) reserved for lads who can't hurl properly! Tis a disgrace that an abomination like Peil Ghaelach comes under the auspices of the same organisation as the best sport in the world, namely Iomáint!
Quote from: Syferus on July 19, 2017, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
+1
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Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 19, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Leinster Minor titles 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017
Leinster under 21 titles 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
All Ireland Minor 2012
All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016
This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass! :P
Throw up Kerry's record too.not too shabby I'd guess.
KerryMunster Minor 2006, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Munster under 21 2008, 2017
Munster Senior 2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Minor AI 2014, 2015, 2016
Under 21 AI 2008
Senior AI 2009, 2014
MeathLeinster Senior 2010
Leinster u-21
Leinster Minor 2006, 2008
AI Senior
AI under 21
AI Minor
Quote from: seafoid on July 19, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
It's a GAA discussion board, not a Gaelic fuball board
Incorrect, or are you similarly unaware of the hurling pages on this site?
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
How so? It's a GAA Discussion board - and as real GAA supporters know, Gaelic football is an unskillful muck up of a sport (if someone can tell me where the talent is in blasting a big round ball over a bar from ten yards I'll buy them a Guinness) reserved for lads who can't hurl properly! Tis a disgrace that an abomination like Peil Ghaelach comes under the auspices of the same organisation as the best sport in the world, namely Iomáint!
You wannabe fecking cricketer (and yes, your lot were the best on this island before the GAA codified something else that you could profitably twist your wrists to) -- go to the hurlers' pages, lest a troll you will always be.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 09:12:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 19, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
It's a GAA discussion board, not a Gaelic fuball board
Incorrect, or are you similarly unaware of the hurling pages on this site?
Even this section is called GAA discussion. Not fuball discussion
And this is a discussion board, not a disparagement board, for those with severe delusions of grandeur, coupled with a woeful knowledge of history.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
And this is a discussion board, not a disparagement board, for those with severe delusions of grandeur, coupled with a woeful knowledge of history.
You tell him, FOSB!!! Send him back to the banks of that little river in KK...not the Nore, but a much smaller one...can't think of the name of it now.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 09:12:00 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 19, 2017, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
It's a GAA discussion board, not a Gaelic fuball board
Incorrect, or are you similarly unaware of the hurling pages on this site?
Tis you who is incorrect. Look up above... gaaboard.com -> GAA Discussion -> GAA Discussion... nothing there to suggest anything about this sub forum being only about "big ball blasting".
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
You're on the wrong discussion board, ie, a troll.
How so? It's a GAA Discussion board - and as real GAA supporters know, Gaelic football is an unskillful muck up of a sport (if someone can tell me where the talent is in blasting a big round ball over a bar from ten yards I'll buy them a Guinness) reserved for lads who can't hurl properly! Tis a disgrace that an abomination like Peil Ghaelach comes under the auspices of the same organisation as the best sport in the world, namely Iomáint!
You wannabe fecking cricketer (and yes, your lot were the best on this island before the GAA codified something else that you could profitably twist your wrists to) -- go to the hurlers' pages, lest a troll you will always be.
As outlined above, it's a
GAA Discussion board. Anyway, lot more skill to cricket than hoofing a massive round ball over a bar from five yards out so I'll take the compliment ;D.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
And this is a discussion board, not a disparagement board, for those with severe delusions of grandeur, coupled with a woeful knowledge of history.
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;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
As outlined above, it's a GAA Discussion board. Anyway, lot more skill to cricket than hoofing a massive round ball over a bar from five yards out so I'll take the compliment ;D.
Here, Cody's all-believing disciple, though maybe you should listen to a bit less seafoid: DA FECKING HURLING PAGE (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?board=4)
Five yards? ???
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
As outlined above, it's a GAA Discussion board. Anyway, lot more skill to cricket than hoofing a massive round ball over a bar from five yards out so I'll take the compliment ;D.
Here, Cody's all-believing disciple, though maybe you should listen to a bit less seafoid: DA FECKING HURLING PAGE (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?board=4)
Lol...
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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
As outlined above, it's a GAA Discussion board. Anyway, lot more skill to cricket than hoofing a massive round ball over a bar from five yards out so I'll take the compliment ;D.
Here, Cody's all-believing disciple, though maybe you should listen to a bit less seafoid: DA FECKING HURLING PAGE (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?board=4)
Lol...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QgRLoql_QL4/hqdefault.jpg)
BOOM!
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Hilarious, no truly! ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
As outlined above, it's a GAA Discussion board. Anyway, lot more skill to cricket than hoofing a massive round ball over a bar from five yards out so I'll take the compliment ;D.
Here, Cody's all-believing disciple, though maybe you should listen to a bit less seafoid: DA FECKING HURLING PAGE (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?board=4)
Lol...
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QgRLoql_QL4/hqdefault.jpg)
BOOM!
(http://www.word-game-world.com/images/man-laughing-on-floor.png)
Hilarious, no truly! ::)
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Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
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;D ;D ;D
;)
The Hoganstand.com would appear to be deficient a right idiot. :-\
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
The Hoganstand.com would appear to be deficient a right idiot. :-\
You
still don't get it and yet
I'm the idiot lmfao!
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
The Hoganstand.com would appear to be deficient a right idiot. :-\
You still don't get it and yet I'm the idiot lmfao!
Get your homework ready for next school term, like a good boy.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
The Hoganstand.com would appear to be deficient a right idiot. :-\
You still don't get it and yet I'm the idiot lmfao!
Get your homework ready for next school term, like a good boy.
Did Carlsberg
do you lol?
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport
Better than that hurley shtuff with lads uncontested hitting a ball wut a shtick over the bar from 100 metres. Non stop fouling but the ref only blows for a free when he needs a rest. Ridiculous game confined to Norman parts of the Country unlike football which is played by the true Gaels.
I think this thread shows why a few good posters haven't been around in quite a while such is the level of 'debate' in here.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 19, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 19, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Leinster Minor titles 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017
Leinster under 21 titles 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Leinster Senior Titles 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
All Ireland Minor 2012
All Ireland u-21 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017
All Ireland Senior 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016
This Phenomenal group a really doing the business! I mean how lucky are Dublin football to suddenly fall on such riches (excuse the pun) of talent! I know it is only a fad and will pass! :P
Throw up Kerry's record too.not too shabby I'd guess.
Kerry
Munster Minor 2006, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Munster under 21 2008, 2017
Munster Senior 2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Minor AI 2014, 2015, 2016
Under 21 AI 2008
Senior AI 2009, 2014
Meath
Leinster Senior 2010
Leinster u-21
Leinster Minor 2006, 2008
AI Senior
AI under 21
AI Minor
I think other Munster teams really have to have a look at the Kerry money now, the wealthiest sponsorship in Irish sporting history and when you can put GPS systems on players at a u-16 girls match you really need to look at it. Pooling the sponsorship together and then letting other teams access their new centre of excellence they are going to build which cost millions. Waterford footballers for example.
You were not asked to post Meath stats, who cares about Meath, Had a few good years in the 90s and won a few championships for being the most violent team in history with a couple of star players, that's it. Dublin were and are always going be ahead of the rest in Leinster. Kildare will be challenging Dublin now and with years to come, they have good underage teams beating and competing with Dublin.
When Mayo won 5 in a row in Connaught, where were the calls for change?
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
how much do the Kilkenny footballers get for playing in the junior competition, in Britain!!
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
how much do the Kilkenny footballers get for playing in the junior competition, in Britain!!
That's literally how little we care about it!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport
Better than that hurley shtuff with lads uncontested hitting a ball wut a shtick over the bar from 100 metres. Non stop fouling but the ref only blows for a free when he needs a rest. Ridiculous game confined to Norman parts of the Country unlike football which is played by the true Gaels.
Cú Chulainn never played "big ball blasting"!
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
how much do the Kilkenny footballers get for playing in the junior competition, in Britain!!
That's literally how little we care about it!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport
Better than that hurley shtuff with lads uncontested hitting a ball wut a shtick over the bar from 100 metres. Non stop fouling but the ref only blows for a free when he needs a rest. Ridiculous game confined to Norman parts of the Country unlike football which is played by the true Gaels.
Cú Chulainn never played "big ball blasting"!
He was a good man for the javelin. A true gael like yourself.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 20, 2017, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 20, 2017, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport, am I alone on this forum in not giving a bollix about Dublin?
how much do the Kilkenny footballers get for playing in the junior competition, in Britain!!
That's literally how little we care about it!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2017, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 19, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Thinking, as I do, that Gaelic football is a pure scutter of a sport
Better than that hurley shtuff with lads uncontested hitting a ball wut a shtick over the bar from 100 metres. Non stop fouling but the ref only blows for a free when he needs a rest. Ridiculous game confined to Norman parts of the Country unlike football which is played by the true Gaels.
Cú Chulainn never played "big ball blasting"!
He was a good man for the javelin. A true gael like yourself.
Lmfao is this conversation still continuing? Jeez some of ye are fair touchy... If only ye wouldn't be so arrogant in thinking a GAA Discussion board should only include "big ball blasting". I really would have thought the (Captain) Hook, line (dancing) and sinker (of ships, Uncle Albert) would have put an end to the squabbling and revealed my angle but anyway lol...
...I'm off back to the real sport section of the forum...
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Westmeath could be the next fuball superpower
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ministers-discuss-creation-of-new-city-to-stop-choking-of-dublin-1.3160483
Ministers have discussed the possibility of creating a new city in the midlands or northwest to ensure that population growth does not choke Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
Westmeath could be the next fuball superpower
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ministers-discuss-creation-of-new-city-to-stop-choking-of-dublin-1.3160483
Ministers have discussed the possibility of creating a new city in the midlands or northwest to ensure that population growth does not choke Dublin.
time to split Westmeath into two.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2017, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
Westmeath could be the next fuball superpower
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ministers-discuss-creation-of-new-city-to-stop-choking-of-dublin-1.3160483
Ministers have discussed the possibility of creating a new city in the midlands or northwest to ensure that population growth does not choke Dublin.
time to split Westmeath into two.
Already is, hurling north of the N4 and the rest football.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 19, 2017, 09:57:46 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 19, 2017, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 18, 2017, 04:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
Up to the other 31 to put a Motion to Congress - Dublin to be made a Province and 4 Co Boards.
Dublin City pop 550k
Fingal pop 296k
Sth Dublin pop 218k
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown pop 218k.
Connacht for Comparison
Galway 218k
Mayowestros 134k(including Ballagh)
Sligo 65k
Rest of Ros 64k
Leitrim 32k.
Dublin senior football teams playing population is adult football leagues division 1-3 , take out clubs second teams too and then please calculate?
Population argument is the poorest.
Not quite sure what you mean by 'population.'
Are you referring to the numbers actively engaged in club football or the general population of the county.
Either way, I'm afraid the facts don't support your argument.
It's not the number of clubs that count but the number of players in such clubs.
As far back as the early 90s, a report commissioned by Central Council found that 5 Dublin clubs had more juvenile players than any one of 5 named counties. With rural numbers steadily decreasing and their urban counterparts growing all the while, the imbalance is even worse now.
Sure many kids drop out but those who survive to senior level are the pick of those who have risen through the ranks. Players that show promise will be encouraged to stay on and those who don't make it drop out or are pushed and many will drift away from the club and from the GAA in general.
During this year's club championships. St Vincents with a total membership of 971, (website figures) played a small midlands club that had only half that number of people in the half parish it represented.
You will also find that some Dublin's mega clubs will have more resources at their disposal than some of the smaller counties. It isn't the number of players in a club that counts, it's the number the club has to to pick from.
If you are talking about the general population, I'd really like to see what your reasons for making that statement are. To me, there is no room for argument here but I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks otherwise.
So what's the problem? Dublin always had big numbers, why didn't someone bring this up in the 90s?
China and India also have big numbers playing football. An argument can swing either way.
Dublin will always will have big numbers and its something you wont get an apology for, its the best thing to happen in Dublin and great to see so many children playing our national game in our capital city, id say you would agree, only solution is grouping clubs and counties together.
A women in work from Kildare said she can get over the amount of kids at the Cul Camps down there in the Newbridge area etc. Kildare to be the next big team down the line, following by Meath, by pure demographics of the spread of urbanisation to the those counties.
Believe it or not, it was brought up in the 90s. The very small percentage of the public at large that was involved in GAA activities was one issue to be looked at and the rise of mega clubs in the city was another. The report that was commissioned by the then Uachtaran Peter Quinn, recommended that Dublin be split in two, amongst other things and, unfortunately, when that recommendation was understandably shot down a lot of otherwise sane practical suggestions went by the wayside also.
Mega clubs are all very well and without doubt the senior players in such clubs have a head start over all others but the drop off in numbers from, say, u10 to senior is horrendous. The Dublin GAA model caters for the elite, whereas soccer is based on much smaller, park style teams where players can engage in all sorts of mickey mouse competitions and won't be forced out as they grow older and the number of teams fielded decreases as the age level goes up.
Sure China and India have big numbers playing soccer and yet neither are super powers, so what?
I'm told there are 10 million bicycles in Beijing yet a Chinese rider never won the Tour de France. I never said that sheer weight of numbers alone was the reason for Dublin's stranglehold on the intercounty scene. But there are indirect implications involved here that benefit Dublin greatly.
How about sponsorship? There are a right couple of tulips on this board who claim that Denis O'Brien is the mother of all sugardaddies to the Kerry team. Anything they want, they get.
There is no logical reason for any commercial entity to shovel sponsorship money into any cause- no matter how worthy, unless the benefits of advertising warrant it. Put it another way, if a company is considering a deal with Dublin GAA and a county with a much smaller population, say, Leitrim, would it be inclined to invest the same amount of money in both?
Money, above all other considerations is what needed to get to the top, at least where football is concerned.
Doctors, masseurs, psychologists and sundry quacks have to be paid and they don't come cheap.
With acknowledgements to manfromdelmonte, Dublin have a lot of facilities that other counties can't match.
Dublin have the world class gym in the national GAA centre in Abbotstown for all their teams
Westmeath have a converted shed in the old barracks in Mullingar, with a very basic range of equipment
Dublin have access to UCD, DCU, Trinity pitches as well as other centres around the capital
Westmeath have to beg for pitches - no training pitch, no centre of mediocrity
Dublin have a highest value of sponsorship (sorry partners) for their teams. among them: AIG, O'Neills, Skins, Lifestyle Sports, Ballygowan, Subaru, Jack Jones, Energise Sport, Aer Lingus, Linwoods, Gibson Hotel, ROS Nutrition, Gourmet Food Parlour. Their players get free cars to drive around in from other garages!
In areas of high density, players are more likely to live, work and train without having to travel long distances to get from one to the other. The O'Connor brothers and many other students have upwards of 1,000 kilometres a week to face during the training season.
Why didn't Dublin prosper in the 90s? I thought the answer to that is blindingly obvious. The money needed to keep them out in front of all others wasn't there to be spent like it is today.
Like I said, money is what it's all about. You have heard of The Blue Wave I'm sure. No such wave back in the 90s; not even a blue ripple on a duck pond.
Finally, and at long effin' last, I don't see much point in moaning about Dublin's long, long list of unfair advantages over every other county.
It's a fact of life. It's a case of cause and effect. I'm worried about the long term effect and the cause or causes ain't going to alter that.
So how do you account for the Kerry team of 75-86 Lar?
Beating everybody out of sight and rampaging through Munster?
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't forget the massive mileage costs western teams have just to assemble the panel a few times a week for training.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't forget the massive mileage costs western teams have just to assemble the panel a few times a week for training.
True, 6-8 grand per player based in Dublin I've heard.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
These lists need to be taken with massive bucket of salt. What county boards spend on their senior teams does not correlate with what the senior teams spend, in many cases. I have first hand experience of outside money going directly to a county senior team to support their efforts, which the county board never saw and had little knowledge of.
The big jump in Mayo's spend could well be due to money like this actually being accounted for properly in 2016, when it wasn't previously.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 20, 2017, 03:53:25 PM
So how do you account for the Kerry team of 75-86 Lar?
Beating everybody out of sight and rampaging through Munster?
Valid point Butt, but I suspect you already know the answer.
Maybe you should throw in the Galway team of the mid-60s and the Kilkenny hurlers of recent times while you are at it.
Kerry got a nasty shock when Heffo's team came along and wiped the floor with them in the mid-70s. Heffo had the first half decent organised team at the time.
I mean I've seen players in Croke Park wearing different colour socks before Heffo came along.
Kerry went away, licked their wounds and came back looking for vengeance. To their credit, they found it.
The Dublin team of that time was as least as talented as the present side and the same could be said for the Kerry team of that era also.BUt apart from talent, a shrewd manager and a dollop of luck, Kerry had no other advantage over any other side.I believe that Dublin could have stayed the pace a bit longer but internal wrangling fucked 'em up. If you'll pardon my French.
As I keep saying the twin towers of Professionalism and Science give Dublin a distinct advantage over any other team in the land.
This is a genuinely talented side but so are several others. If Mayo and Dublin had switched places in last year's All Ireland, would you accept that Mayo most likely would be the AI holders now?
It's money and what can be bought with it that is the making or breaking of any serious AI contenders nowadays. Dublin have more and have less overheads than any other county so the chances are that it will perform better than any other country over a period of time.say, every 5 years or so.
I'd say the Blue Wave goals are correct; Dublin should win about 3 out of every 5. BBTW, luck as has been the case with Dublin in recent times plays a part too. Kerry had a few close shaves during the period of dominance you mentioned.
If I were a Dub, I wouldn't bother my posterior coming up with lame,excuses to try and justify my team's dominance over everyone else. Put it down to happenstance, positive karma, sheer good luck or whatever yer havin' yerself.
The fact is that the Blue Wave will capsize every other boat in sight for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: shark on July 20, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
These lists need to be taken with massive bucket of salt. What county boards spend on their senior teams does not correlate with what the senior teams spend, in many cases. I have first hand experience of outside money going directly to a county senior team to support their efforts, which the county board never saw and had little knowledge of.
The big jump in Mayo's spend could well be due to money like this actually being accounted for properly in 2016, when it wasn't previously.
Yup, you got it in one.
Remember the bizarre press release by Holmes and Connelly? It was evident that that particular statement had been cobbled together from a number of different sources- possibly because of legal reasons but whatever, the reason(s) t was very disjointed. If you recall, Connelly referred to a disagreement over travel arrangements with Noel Howley. THere was no attempt made to tie that row in with the players' decision to rebel so we were left guessing. Same can be said of an oblique statement by Connelly that all monies collected should go through the County Board (or something like that.) He was referring to a dispute over money collected at a fundraiser in New York but, again, there was no logical link to the players' unhappiness with their management.
I'd say Mayo are no different to any other county in this regard. not all money collected shows up in the official returns.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
He meant the mayo squad have to stay in a hotel,not him, which is a big expense dublin do not have...
Dublin's bandwagon support do not travel the diehards and players might like it to an extent but no chance the GAA will move them out of their home ground. 13k in Portlaoise compared to 33k in CP for Westmeath game. €€€€€
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
To address I think you have a point but your use of "Spewan" makes you look a bit vindictive.
The centres you mentioned are being funded by Co Boards following massive fundraising campaigns and much of this through the diaspora . They have to do this because largely the facilities in these counties lag behind the big urban centres .
Every metric is now favouring Dublin.
Population , facilities , economic development , club structures , etc , central GAA funding , croke park for league and champ games and huge corporate sponsorship.
10 {or more?)of the Mayo panel live in Dublin . Think of the logistical difficulty there.
There is a huge gap here and it is growing
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 09:50:48 AM
To address I think you have a point but your use of "Spewan" makes you look a bit vindictive.
The centres you mentioned are being funded by Co Boards following massive fundraising campaigns and much of this through the diaspora . They have to do this because largely the facilities in these counties lag behind the big urban centres .
Every metric is now favouring Dublin.
Population , facilities , economic development , club structures , etc , central GAA funding , croke park for league and champ games and huge corporate sponsorship.
10 {or more?)of the Mayo panel live in Dublin . Think of the logistical difficulty there.
There is a huge gap here and it is growing
Nobody can reasonably deny any of this.
But we'll still be told that other counties are unequal, that it is only a phase, that it isn't Dublin's fault, yadda yadda yadda.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Dublin's bandwagon support do not travel the diehards and players might like it to an extent but no chance the GAA will move them out of their home ground. 13k in Portlaoise compared to 33k in CP for Westmeath game. €€€€€
Did Kildare vote to get Dublin out of CP for early Leinster games.At least 6 other counties of the 12 want to keep Dublin there.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 09:50:48 AM
To address I think you have a point but your use of "Spewan" makes you look a bit vindictive.
The centres you mentioned are being funded by Co Boards following massive fundraising campaigns and much of this through the diaspora . They have to do this because largely the facilities in these counties lag behind the big urban centres .
Every metric is now favouring Dublin.
Population , facilities , economic development , club structures , etc , central GAA funding , croke park for league and champ games and huge corporate sponsorship.
10 {or more?)of the Mayo panel live in Dublin . Think of the logistical difficulty there.
There is a huge gap here and it is growing
Nobody can reasonably deny any of this.
But we'll still be told that other counties are unequal, that it is only a phase, that it isn't Dublin's fault, yadda yadda yadda.
To be fair to Dublin they are not to blame here . This argument isn't anti Dublin but rather a genuine concern that inter county football may no longer be competitive.
At this stage I think the genie is out of the bottle . The GAA and the government are the culprits here.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on July 21, 2017, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Dublin's bandwagon support do not travel the diehards and players might like it to an extent but no chance the GAA will move them out of their home ground. 13k in Portlaoise compared to 33k in CP for Westmeath game. €€€€€
Did Kildare vote to get Dublin out of CP for early Leinster games.At least 6 other counties of the 12 want to keep Dublin there.
Delegates voted on the basis of revenue generation, i.e. the more money the Leinster Council generate the more that can be given out to clubs counties etc Delegates are short term thinkers looking after their own patch, strategy and the bigger picture should be be the function of the Director General's office and it's probably fair to say that Mr Duffy has prioritized revenue generation ahead of equality in games development.
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 09:50:48 AM
To address I think you have a point but your use of "Spewan" makes you look a bit vindictive.
The centres you mentioned are being funded by Co Boards following massive fundraising campaigns and much of this through the diaspora . They have to do this because largely the facilities in these counties lag behind the big urban centres .
Every metric is now favouring Dublin.
Population , facilities , economic development , club structures , etc , central GAA funding , croke park for league and champ games and huge corporate sponsorship.
10 {or more?)of the Mayo panel live in Dublin . Think of the logistical difficulty there.
There is a huge gap here and it is growing
Nobody can reasonably deny any of this.
But we'll still be told that other counties are unequal, that it is only a phase, that it isn't Dublin's fault, yadda yadda yadda.
To be fair to Dublin they are not to blame here . This argument isn't anti Dublin but rather a genuine concern that inter county football may no longer be competitive.
At this stage I think the genie is out of the bottle . The GAA and the government are the culprits here.
It hasn't been competitive in the last 14 years. 5 teams have won the All Ireland. Kerry 5, Tyrone 3, Cork 1, Donegal 1 and Dublin 4. The fact is, like in every sport, not everyone competes at the same level, there is only 1 winner every year and usually the cream always rises to the top.
Again, the apologists for were people live now, that is not a Dublin senior football issue, its a Mayo issue, hook the lads up with jobs in their own county or perhaps they don't want to live there!!!>
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and
WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!! A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 21, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!
A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.
So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 21, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!
A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.
So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?
To stay in the game, a rigged game but like a gambler on the pokies you just feel your luck has to change, it has to right?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
Zat so? ;D ;D
Good man, I will be waiting for your reply to any of my points, never mind them all.
I think I'm gonna have a long, long wait. Dunno what actually working in Dublin means. I expect all Dublin players work in Dublin, point is that none of the travel up to 1,000 m a week to attend training sessions.
But, like I've said before, the arguments on this thread and countless others are a waste of time.
Fact is Dublin holds over 40% of the Republic's population and around half its resources and the gap between it and the rest of the country is steadily widening.
I never blamed the Dubs for this. It must be put down to factors outside their control. This imbalance is, sooner or later, going to banjax the GAA, at least where intercounty competitions are concerned.
We are arguing her about locking the stable door when the horse has bolted.
In the long term, giving most other counties additional coaching grants will be of frig all benefit to the great majority of them. Do you think Leitrim might sneak an odd All Ireland if it got ten times as much grant aid as Dublin? You could stick another 20 counties at least beside Leitrim.
BTW, Ewan McKenna isn't the only reputable journalist that's worried about Dublin's stranglehold on senior inercounty competitions.
Sean Moran, a well respected Irish Times hack, has something to say about it here.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-gaelic-games-equality-problem-is-getting-worse-1.2967169
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 21, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!
A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.
So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?
It's not the county board's money they are spending. If the money wasn't spent on the senior team then it wouldn't exist. A wealthy Mayo man in London doesn't care about paying back a loan on McHale park. He will only donate his money when he knows it's going to the senior team.
I always meet a few Dublin mates (in their 50s now) after a Dublin game and I met them last Sunday when I arrived back from Clones.
In their eyes Dublin are not miles ahead of Kerry, Mayo or even Tyrone now (used to be Donegal). Yes the will admit that their is no competition in Leinster any more but that's not their fault.
They would say they remember too well the 70s and 80s when Kerry were the dominant force and how they went through the early 90s losing to lots of Ulster teams until 1995. So all of them are happy to sit back and enjoy their easy matches until the semi final and final.
I was asking them do they not miss that nervous feeling in your stomach when you go to matches not knowing who's gonna win and the excitement when you're there. The 2005 games between Dublin and Tyrone were complete rollercoasters with it swinging one way and the other.
I bring my kids to games now and they're boring as hell and all over after 15 mins quite often.
The Dubs fans now have become so used to winning easy that when they do get someone who puts it up to them, a lot of their fans have this almost arrogant "how dare you challenge us" attitude. Not all of them of course.
I think it will really benefit the Dubs fans if they took their Leinster semifinal and final games out of Croker as their fans are missing on that trip away feeling. Even if they did it for one year just to see how it faired out.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 21, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 20, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 20, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html)
Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 20, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2017, 04:08:57 PM
Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!
A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.
So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?
Well we can afford it, just about anyway and the money spent on the team is money generated by Mayo Gaa members and sponsorship attained by Mayo GAA. Okay so the GAA agreed to the loan restructure but it's not as if the Mayo football team doesn't generate money for Croke park , no more than Dubs at the moment so it wasn't 100% a friendly gesture by the GAA to accept the loan restructure deal as they will come out on top in the end!!
I think the bone of contention for most non Dubs is the GAA realised the urban challenges Dublin faced 25 years ago in Football & Hurling and acted accordingly with the games development money along with a plan put in place by the Dub Co Board but with Dublin on strong footing now it is time for the GAA to realise the challenges faced by the rest of the counties!!
If the figures are true in respect of development grants form the GAA and Sports council then most Dubs could see why other counties would look on and wonder where this is all going to bring us??
For the GAA it is a no brainer, they have the proof that sustained investment in coaching and development of a counties underage structures is sucessful just look at Dublin as they stand today!!!
Outside of Tyrone and Kerry in football (with potentially Galway & Kildare also) where do we see a consistent developemt of talent at underage to challenge Dublin?
My own county Mayo can still produce the odd elite underage team but this is by accident rather than design as the money is just not there to sustain a 10 or 15 year plan!!
You could say why don't Mayo just cut the spending on the senior team but the majority of the funding for coaching at club and underage level comes on the back of the success of the senior team so it is a chicken and egg situation for the Mayo Co Board as it is I would guess in Roscommon,Leitrim,Clare,Cavan,Monaghan,Westmeath,Down,Armagh etc...
When the Dubs were struggling for success they had the GAA development money to kickstart the plans independent of the short term success of the senior football team!!
Paul Curran was half right when he wrote recently that counties need to invest in a longterm development plan rather than hire a big name county manager but without significant investment from the GAA as happened in Dublin then the counties only other revenue generator is a successful (in relative terms) senior intercounty teamwhich back most county boards into a corner!!
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
Hey! Whoa there!!
Isn't all that what I've been saying all along?
There's feck all use in complaining about a fait accompli.
Just bear in mind that a development plan, no matter how generous the coaching grants may be, won't turn most counties into worthy opposition for Dublin.
The 33,000 Leitrims will never be able to compete with 1,300,000 Dublins even if everyone from 4 to 40 was coached every day of the week.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
Dublin didn't do any of that!!
they put a plan together and got Bertie to give them 1 million per year from the Sport Council, which they still get
Next proposal
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
The old chestnut about Dublin funding amenities down the county in silly.
Collective government have allowed a ridiculous amount of economic development be centred on Dublin . That is utterly mad planning .
I take your point about a good co board but be honest it is easy do those plans when you know the money is coming ,
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
The 33,000 Leitrims will never be able to compete with 1,300,000 Dublins even if everyone from 4 to 40 was coached every day of the week.
There's 1.3 Million Senior Gaelic footballers in Dublin? Wow.
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
The old chestnut about Dublin funding amenities down the county in silly.
Collective government have allowed a ridiculous amount of economic development be centred on Dublin . That is utterly mad planning .
I take your point about a good co board but be honest it is easy do those plans when you know the money is coming ,
Ah I was only messing. Decentralisation etc....
Lads, it is what it is.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 21, 2017, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Il respond to all points raised over the weekend, I currently need to work so I can pay taxes to assist people outside of Dublin with their amendiities.
But very quickly, it sounds like you need contact:
Your club county board delegate so they can raise these issues at county board level, proposals are put to a vote.
The county board then go to the provincial council.
Then the county board congress delegate can bring it to GAA congress.
Get a plan together, put the proposal through for funding.
I will be back.
The old chestnut about Dublin funding amenities down the county in silly.
Collective government have allowed a ridiculous amount of economic development be centred on Dublin . That is utterly mad planning .
I take your point about a good co board but be honest it is easy do those plans when you know the money is coming ,
Ah I was only messing. Decentralisation etc....
Lads, it is what it is.
Let's close the forum so. Things are what they are, que sera sera, the Lord will determine things and it is not for us to discuss.
The money thing has happened. It is now for the gaa to deal with in the future to level the playing field. As for Dublin they will win their last 3 games by 5 points or more. It may be an unlevel playing field but this dublin team are the best group of footballers the game has seen and have another 2all irelands in them. Tyrone and Kerry or nowhere near them and mayo are done. No one else will edge in their either. Tyrone have improved but nowhere near that intensity that the dubs bring.
To all the Dublin posters - you think you can hide all your unfair monetary advantages in a hidden away thread? So you can revel care free on other threads on your glory - you've another thing coming!
Money and Home advantage baby!
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 21, 2017, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
The 33,000 Leitrims will never be able to compete with 1,300,000 Dublins even if everyone from 4 to 40 was coached every day of the week.
There's 1.3 Million Senior Gaelic footballers in Dublin? Wow.
You didn't post here under another name, did you?
We had a Dublin apologist of sorts who posted under the alias of The Aristocrat and he came out with the same smart ass answer to a similar question on a similar thread last year. Word for word, the same as you.
Ewan McKenna was in the news at the time and this bucko also launched an assload of insults at McKenna but failed to address a single point in this article- the very same as you.
He resorted to petty name calling also and 'Spewan' McKenna was the funniest he could think of.
Too much of a coincidence there I think to take you seriously anymore.
Taken from rte.ie
QuoteDublin supporters have called for a total boycott on "every retail facility inside Croke Park" after the GAA banned a huge flag from Hill 16.
Dublin Fire Brigade view such large flags as being fire hazards, and the GAA have taken the decision to prohibit them from games.
Former Dubs forward Vinny Murphy told RTÉ Radio 1's Drivetime the decision was "like a scene out of Father Ted. Someone in Croke Park is going, 'down with this sort of thing' and it's sort of ridiculous turning around and saying it's a health and safety thing where in other stadiums the flags are allowed".
Supporters have reacted angrily to the decision and plan to kick back.
A statement released on behalf of Dublin GAA supporters' social media pages read: "The announcement that the large Dublin flag regularly seen at games would not be allowed on Hill 16 any longer was the latest in a long line of ridiculous rules and regulations for supporters who attend Hill 16 on match day.
"Unnecessary searches even before the new safety rules came in, caps taken off bottles of minerals, flags banned and a huge perspex screen are just some of the unnecessary 'safety measures' we have had to contend with.
"Yet the GAA and Croke Park have no issue leaving stairwells and fire exits blocked during games along with keeping us penned in behind the perspex screen. Where are the perspex screens for the other stands? Yesterday's banning of the large flag has led us to finally say enough is enough.
"We as social media pages that represent Dublin GAA supporters are therefore calling on all Dublin GAA supporters to boycott every retail facility inside Croke Park on 5 August. We would urge you all to bring your own food and drinks and not contribute one cent to the bars, shops and every other outlet inside Croke Park.
"We regret any loss to the franchises involved but the continued disregard for supporters has forced us to call for this action. This is the only action possible that allows us to protest while also allowing us to support our team.
"We will continue the call for this boycott until the GAA addresses supporters concerns and may take further action in the form of boycotting games at Croke Park in the future if our pleas fall on deaf ears."
Wånkers.
Surely this applies to all counties? Why are those Dubs making it about them?
Same goes for the perspex glass.
Do these gowls actually think Hill 16 is theirs and theirs alone?
Quote from: dclane on July 26, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Surely this applies to all counties? Why are those Dubs making it about them?
Same goes for the perspex glass.
Do these gowls actually think Hill 16 is theirs and theirs alone?
They really do .
That said these clowns are not members of clubs .
Croke Park are reported to not be too worried about loss of revenue if the Dublin fans do not purchase drink inside the ground.
"Sure Tyrones playing the same day, them hoors will make up for it!"
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
It's gone mad until some poor fúcker dies or is injured. Insurance premiums, lad.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2017, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
It's gone mad until some poor fúcker dies or is injured. Insurance premiums, lad.
Not 4 burgers I was thinking two pints a burger and a bag of chips - you get my point.
As for someone getting injured, what a load of Shute, you can get injured anywhere, when does the nonsense stop??
I'm delighted someone has the balls to stand up and tell the gaa or h&s to cop on, this is worse than the yanks...
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2017, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
It's gone mad until some poor fúcker dies or is injured. Insurance premiums, lad.
How exactly can a flag kill someone? Please share with us in your infinite wisdom how passing this flag overhead (before the game starts) is life threatening and will increase insurance risk/premiums
Quote from: dublin7 on July 27, 2017, 01:50:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2017, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
It's gone mad until some poor fúcker dies or is injured. Insurance premiums, lad.
How exactly can a flag kill someone? Please share with us in your infinite wisdom how passing this flag overhead (before the game starts) is life threatening and will increase insurance risk/premiums
If you're this upset over something as pointless as a big flag (the press release was full on hilarity btw) then maybe you might have finally context for how annoyed the other 31 counties are at the many actual advantage Dublin enjoys over ever else.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
As a GAA fan I completely agree. I had planned to bring a giant Kildare flag on to Hill 16 this weekend and now this ruling has prevented me from doing so.
Of course not opening the Hill in the first place didn't help my cause either.
So don't come on here with your bitterness/jealousy anti Dublin bs. ALL Gaa fans should be afforded the opportunity to stand on Hill 16 this weekend if they so wish.
Perhaps you'd like to make a stand on our behalf and not buy your burgers in Croke Park because of not opening the Hill this weekend? Or perhaps you just couldn't care less. And then you have the audacity to come on here and tell us that we are all bitter because this should affect all GAA fans and not just Dubs.
Seriously?
Was this not a ruling by Dublin Fire Brigade?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 27, 2017, 08:30:30 AM
Was this not a ruling by Dublin Fire Brigade?
A few years back the Dublin fire brigade was full of Dublin footballers .
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2017, 02:02:46 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 27, 2017, 01:50:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2017, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
It's gone mad until some poor fúcker dies or is injured. Insurance premiums, lad.
How exactly can a flag kill someone? Please share with us in your infinite wisdom how passing this flag overhead (before the game starts) is life threatening and will increase insurance risk/premiums
If you're this upset over something as pointless as a big flag (the press release was full on hilarity btw) then maybe you might have finally context for how annoyed the other 31 counties are at the many actual advantage Dublin enjoys over ever else.
Shame on Dublin fans for trying to bring a bit of colour/atmosphere to the game!!! I don't know if it's impressive or depressing how you managed to turn a debate about flags into another rant against the dubs funding.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 26, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 26, 2017, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 26, 2017, 11:28:44 PM
Well done Dublin supporters. The bureaucrats are slowly taking away all the fun out of supporting your team. I support your move 100%.
Don't worry the gaa will mind the 1 million euros not spent in the shops - using 50,000 dubs at an average of 20 euros.
Some rules make sense and some don't and this one doesn't. Great to see supporters making a stand.
Each Dub eating an average of 4 burgers ??
The vast majority won't give a shit . either we accept the full H&S package or we don't .
It isn't a big deal .
I can understand the bitterness about the dubs winning All Ireland's but this is nothing to do with that. H&S gone mad. I would have thought this is an issue all GAA fans could support, but because it's Dublin the bitterness/jealously comes out and people automatically assume dubs are complaining so it must be a good rule
This was decided by the Dublin fire brigade so if the good Dublin patrons on Hill 16 and going to have a boycott then don't ring 999 when your house is on fire .
That will learn them !
@ MUP, I would definitely support you in the opening of HILL16 for matches, I think it is a disgrace that it doesn't open for other games, it quite discussing actually.
This weekend, plus the Leinster Hurling final with 60 K there , 12 K should have the opportunity to buy the cheaper tickets and stand if they want.
Croker hate the Hill, they hate the handball alley beside the Hill, they hate the residents, the residents committees etc. That is why they are buying up all the land, house , properties and business all around Croke Park. They want the monopoly.
It all other stadiums in the work they have big flags, look at pairc I Chaomh last week, big cork flag and flares.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
@ MUP, I would definitely support you in the opening of HILL16 for matches, I think it is a disgrace that it doesn't open for other games, it quite discussing actually.
This weekend, plus the Leinster Hurling final with 60 K there , 12 K should have the opportunity to buy the cheaper tickets and stand if they want.
Croker hate the Hill, they hate the handball alley beside the Hill, they hate the residents, the residents committees etc. That is why they are buying up all the land, house , properties and business all around Croke Park. They want the monopoly.
It all other stadiums in the work they have big flags, look at pairc I Chaomh last week, big cork flag and flares.
Look I think it's absolutely ridiculous that the GAA can come out with this stuff. Of course the flags etc it adds to the atmosphere. Frankly I cannot figure out why it is a health and safety issue.
The GAA don't give a flying **** about the fans. Being a staunch GAA man it used to annoy me greatly how some referred to the GAA as the 'Grab All Association'. I'm finding myself agreeing with them more and more everyday.
I give out more than most about Dublin playing in Croke Park or not playing in Portlaoise one year while playing there the next. I don't blame Dublin for this.
This is not about Dublin/The Rest - it's about all GAA fans. This flag issue is being turned into a Dublin thing when its clearly not. Its about the comb-overs on committee's all over the country who haven't a clue.
Quote from: mup on July 27, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
@ MUP, I would definitely support you in the opening of HILL16 for matches, I think it is a disgrace that it doesn't open for other games, it quite discussing actually.
This weekend, plus the Leinster Hurling final with 60 K there , 12 K should have the opportunity to buy the cheaper tickets and stand if they want.
Croker hate the Hill, they hate the handball alley beside the Hill, they hate the residents, the residents committees etc. That is why they are buying up all the land, house , properties and business all around Croke Park. They want the monopoly.
It all other stadiums in the work they have big flags, look at pairc I Chaomh last week, big cork flag and flares.
Look I think it's absolutely ridiculous that the GAA can come out with this stuff. Of course the flags etc it adds to the atmosphere. Frankly I cannot figure out why it is a health and safety issue.
The GAA don't give a flying **** about the fans. Being a staunch GAA man it used to annoy me greatly how some referred to the GAA as the 'Grab All Association'. I'm finding myself agreeing with them more and more everyday.
I give out more than most about Dublin playing in Croke Park or not playing in Portlaoise one year while playing there the next. I don't blame Dublin for this.
This is not about Dublin/The Rest - it's about all GAA fans. This flag issue is being turned into a Dublin thing when its clearly not. Its about the comb-overs on committee's all over the country who haven't a clue.
And this is a stark warning - if you think it's bad now, imagine what it will be like if Peter McKenna takes over from Paraic Duffy? I actually shiver at the thought.
Fortunately there is a GAA musuem where people can view images of what it was once like at Croke Park on big match days in August and September
(https://crokepark.ie/getmetafile/9970df27-48ec-4f1c-b5cf-496d8d206b8d/2012-foot-007.aspx?maxsidesize=960)
And when the Mayo supporters group calls upon their fans to be the 16th man, the addendum is "no bigger than A4 please".
(http://www.mayonews.ie/images/stories/2016/08_aug/0609_mayo_fans_pic_emg_CM_1000.jpg)
I like the dubs. Great team.
Quote from: hardstation on July 27, 2017, 11:02:53 AM
I thought these big flegs were passed around football stadiums all over Europe?
They are. This is pathetic. At Anfield a massive badge is passed around before kickoff. Usually goes from one side of the Kop to the other, and then down the Centenary Stand.
At Thomond Park, FFS, there's a big Banner that goes around the West Stand before kickoff on the big matches.
This is bullshite. Little to be worrying about.
(http://i4.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article10653490.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/JS79341902.jpg)
(https://westterraceview.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/flag.png?w=560)
That first pick is in the Museum as it was Meath on a big match day. It's not flag related/
Also, a big flag was passed through the hogan stand at the U2 concert. It was a U2 prop, but a big flag nonetheless!
This is not just about a big flag floating down Hill 16, causing extreme danger to the h&s of the 'patrons',
but also every flag
Alan Milton, GAA's Director of Communications
"We have taken a policy decision that any packages larger than A4 will not be allowed enter the stadium,"
The new directive states that any bags, flags or packages that exceed the A4 limit will not be allowed into Croke Park.
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
This is not just about a big flag floating down Hill 16, causing extreme danger to the h&s of the 'patrons',
but also every flag
Alan Milton, GAA's Director of Communications
"We have taken a policy decision that any packages larger than A4 will not be allowed enter the stadium,"
The new directive states that any bags, flags or packages that exceed the A4 limit will not be allowed into Croke Park.
Such bullshit. The sooner the likes of McKenna and Duffy (and their lapdogs like Milton) are gone from any position of influence in the GAA and Croke Park the better.
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
This is not just about a big flag floating down Hill 16, causing extreme danger to the h&s of the 'patrons',
but also every flag
Alan Milton, GAA's Director of Communications
"We have taken a policy decision that any packages larger than A4 will not be allowed enter the stadium,"
The new directive states that any bags, flags or packages that exceed the A4 limit will not be allowed into Croke Park.
Flags, that exceed A4 size? Is he for f**king real?
The Croke Park statement was reported about in the media
I quoted from this article
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/they-have-us-packed-in-like-animals-dublin-fans-lash-out-at-the-gaa-over-flag-ban-and-threaten-boycott-35970540.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/they-have-us-packed-in-like-animals-dublin-fans-lash-out-at-the-gaa-over-flag-ban-and-threaten-boycott-35970540.html)
It's not just about flags, but also the sacred sandwiches etc.
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
Just read that lad Alan Miltons statement and its pure gibberish and no real notion of why the're actually banning them.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=273606 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=273606)
Piss off Alan.
I presume journalists will be banned from bringing laptop and laptop bags that aren't the small notebook laptops, or is it just the plebs "patrons" who have to suffer McKenna's latest bout of lunacy?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
If the gaa had any sense they would repeal this before it causes more damage to their reputation. I would assume the gaa have people trolling sites like this to gauge the mood of the people and the message is loud and clear "COP ON FFS", remember ye are in the entertainment industry and people like to be entertained by watching games, waving flags, meeting people, singing etc..
Gaa are making a huge mistake here in my opinion. Send some of the decision makers to hill 16 to see what it's all about. Remember fans can choose other sports, watch from home, not buy burgers, not train young players, not go to meetings, not wash jerseys, not buy tickets, not donate to dressing room and pitch funds.
The message is clear - repeal and stop the nonsense.
https://crokepark.ie/match-day/faq (https://crokepark.ie/match-day/faq)
Quote from: vallankumous on July 27, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
I've no problem with them but some do and SF have tried to organize them in the past around Anniversary of Hungerstrikes.
They won't be a problem anymore.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=Hill+16+banner&rlz=1C1VFKB_enIE750IE750&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij_YWosanVAhXqIcAKHW2zD48Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=672#imgrc=ygS05iNgn8_DTM:
https://www.google.ie/search?q=Hill+16+banner&rlz=1C1VFKB_enIE750IE750&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij_YWosanVAhXqIcAKHW2zD48Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=672#imgrc=TaITWf7P5uhH3M:
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on July 27, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
How many times have you been trapped behind a jackass with a big flag? Not fun.
Fair enough. But In that case can't they just say banners with political messages will be removed. Talking about flags greater than A4 size is basically thousands of kids and others with their county flags, and banning them from Croke Park. Where do they think the colour they love comes from?
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2017, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on July 27, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
How many times have you been trapped behind a jackass with a big flag? Not fun.
Ah stop. Are umbrellas banned too? They're bigger than A4 and a damn sight more annoying than a flag that only gets waved when there's a score or something anyway.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2017, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on July 27, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
How many times have you been trapped behind a jackass with a big flag? Not fun.
Ah stop. Are umbrellas banned too? They're bigger than A4 and a damn sight more annoying than a flag that only gets waved when there's a score or something anyway.
Ah sure you can by the Croke Park-branded ponchos inside to make you marginally less drenched than you otherwise will be. Another nice little earner for McKenna and co.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2017, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on July 27, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
But seriously, flags bigger than A4 are banned? that's absolutely ludicrous. What sort of bolloxes are these people? I understood the security implications of large rucksacks etc, but what the heck is the rationale for banning flags? That's pathetic.
You can write political slogans on a something bigger than an A4.
While this is common it can often be fobed off at soccer games but Croke park and Hill 16 has a wider impact.
This is the motivation behind the ban.
The problem with Dublin on Hill 16 is that they organised themselves.
Are political slogans a problem in GAA circles? I haven't seen any? The big flag ban is mental itself, but banning ALL flags larger than A4 is just ludicrous. Sure the flags in the crowd add to the colour and excitement that they are always blathering on about in Croker.
How many times have you been trapped behind a jackass with a big flag? Not fun.
Ah stop. Are umbrellas banned too? They're bigger than A4 and a damn sight more annoying than a flag that only gets waved when there's a score or something anyway.
Umbrellas should be banned at matches, tbh. People don't pay money in to look at an umbrella for 70 minutes.
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 12:02:57 PM
The Croke Park statement was reported about in the media
I quoted from this article
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/they-have-us-packed-in-like-animals-dublin-fans-lash-out-at-the-gaa-over-flag-ban-and-threaten-boycott-35970540.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/they-have-us-packed-in-like-animals-dublin-fans-lash-out-at-the-gaa-over-flag-ban-and-threaten-boycott-35970540.html)
It's not just about flags, but also the sacred sandwiches etc.
Just read through that now, Milton has learned the art of the smug arrogant reply well from his master.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:05:23 PM
Fair enough. But In that case can't they just say banners with political messages will be removed. Talking about flags greater than A4 size is basically thousands of kids and others with their county flags, and banning them from Croke Park. Where do they think the colour they love comes from?
Harder to police. Easier just to ban them.
Isn't it convenient this comes out before QFs while the Dubs a struggling for motivation. 8)
Baby - Bathwater springs to mind. There's a risk of a couple of political banners. OK. Let's ban ALL flags bigger than the size of your refill pad. That'll teach those pesky kids a lesson for trying to support their county!
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 27, 2017, 12:32:56 PM
If the gaa had any sense they would repeal this before it causes more damage to their reputation. I would assume the gaa have people trolling sites like this to gauge the mood of the people and the message is loud and clear "COP ON FFS", remember ye are in the entertainment industry and people like to be entertained by watching games, waving flags, meeting people, singing etc..
Gaa are making a huge mistake here in my opinion. Send some of the decision makers to hill 16 to see what it's all about. Remember fans can choose other sports, watch from home, not buy burgers, not train young players, not go to meetings, not wash jerseys, not buy tickets, not donate to dressing room and pitch funds.
The message is clear - repeal and stop the nonsense.
Sligoman - these guys do not give a fcuk what the likes of you or me think and they certainly don't care about the GAA. They are just businessmen who are trying to convert the goodwill of hundreds of thousands of us into cold, hard cash. I actually believe they're actively trying to destroy traditions and "normalise" gaelic games to make it more "presentable" for the (semi) professional game they crave. Sky's crap viewing figures might hold this ambition up for a while but not forever. These guys are cuckoos in our nest. Unelected gobshites telling us what to do. It's a sorry mess, the whole thing. There needs to be a revolution in the GAA. Unfortunately county boards who are badly stretched are completely neutered. They cannot oppose anything for fear of the money they badly need being cut off.
That congress in Sligo where they voted to allow pay for play was the beginning of the end. It's not too late to reverse course but the replies I'll get to this will show who the outcry will come when it's too late.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:29:37 PM
Baby - Bathwater springs to mind. There's a risk of a couple of political banners. OK. Let's ban ALL flags bigger than the size of your refill pad. That'll teach those pesky kids a lesson for trying to support their county!
They don't give a f**k AZ. I've heard it said that McKenna is a genius because Croke Park is so successful. Talk about the easiest job in the world. The real genius was being brave enough to plan for it and build it coming out of a terrible recession. We owe those men of the early 90's some debt of gratitude but I think their legacy and those that went before them has been betrayed by upstarts like McKenna, Duffy and Milton.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:29:37 PM
Baby - Bathwater springs to mind. There's a risk of a couple of political banners. OK. Let's ban ALL flags bigger than the size of your refill pad. That'll teach those pesky kids a lesson for trying to support their county!
it's more than a risk. Hill 16 are leading the way here.
Any social issue they feel they can highlight they do it. From choosing a certain minute of the game to clap to now, boycotting goods inside Croke park. It's clear they are well organised. It's all peaceful and well supported.
There are people who want to nip that in the bud.
Well I wouldn't necessarily support political banners on the Hill, or anywhere else. It implies mass support for a particular topic, when a large percentage of those in the area may not support the ideal at all. Any banner that says 'Dublin supports XYZ' is out of order because it obviously is intended to suggest that all Dublin fans, and maybe the Dubs themselves, support something.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 01:53:26 PM
Well I wouldn't necessarily support political banners on the Hill, or anywhere else. It implies mass support for a particular topic, when a large percentage of those in the area may not support the ideal at all. Any banner that says 'Dublin supports XYZ' is out of order because it obviously is intended to suggest that all Dublin fans, and maybe the Dubs themselves, support something.
Sure but I think most people understand that.
It's a common type slogan seen everywhere.
-Residents against blah
-Ireland Anti blah Group
-Jobstown Not Guilty
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
It wouldn't work otherwise. It would be an easy argument to win but an impossible policy to implement.
I got the impression that most people think the reason given is bogus anyway.
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Sure all the hierarchy in the GAA are Fianna Fail or Fine Gael heads, for example Sean Kelly. They are also Business orientated.
Read - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-gaa-in-2050-will-be-a-commercialised-and-soulless-place-but-theres-one-man-who-can-save-it-35971593.html
Do we have access to how much the hierarchy of the GAA get paid, how much does your man Milton gets paid etc?
In fairness Milton is a Round Towers Clubman, so he should be aware of the variables here. I think he's just sent out to face the firing squad.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Sure all the hierarchy in the GAA are Fianna Fail or Fine Gael heads, for example Sean Kelly. They are also Business orientated.
Read - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-gaa-in-2050-will-be-a-commercialised-and-soulless-place-but-theres-one-man-who-can-save-it-35971593.html
Do we have access to how much the hierarchy of the GAA get paid, how much does your man Milton gets paid etc?
Any GAA member can join any political party . I know members from nearly all parties .
Sean Kelly is the only ex President I know who ever stood for political election,
The salaries of the head boys are published in reports , if you want to change these raise the matter at your club.
The GAA has to have a business model or they sink .
Brolly gives out about commercialism etc then goes on to sayou the GAA should have a Board of Directors etc
Quote from: ashman on July 27, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Sure all the hierarchy in the GAA are Fianna Fail or Fine Gael heads, for example Sean Kelly. They are also Business orientated.
Read - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-gaa-in-2050-will-be-a-commercialised-and-soulless-place-but-theres-one-man-who-can-save-it-35971593.html
Do we have access to how much the hierarchy of the GAA get paid, how much does your man Milton gets paid etc?
Any GAA member can join any political party . I know members from nearly all parties .
Sean Kelly is the only ex President I know who ever stood for political election,
The salaries of the head boys are published in reports , if you want to change these raise the matter at your club.
The GAA has to have a business model or they sink .
I've always wondered about this and so I looked it up :D I can only see the total salaries figure. Is there a breakdown somewhere?
Flag ban not meant to antagonise Dublin fans - Milton
27 July 2017
GAA Director of Communications Alan Milton says the ban on the large Dublin flag from Hill 16 isn't an effort to antagonise Dublin fans.
The iconic flag has traditionally been passed around The Hill by Dubs supporters at GAA HQ before games but will no longer be allowed into the stadium for Health & Safety reasons, having been declared as a potential fire risk by Dublin Fire Brigade and thereby outlawed by the GAA.
Former Dublin footballer Vinny Murphy recently pointed out that the flag is no different to the one passed around in the Kop at Anfield or in Celtic Park, and says he hopes the situation can be resolved.
However, Mr Milton said that the situation at Croke Park is different.
"I assume clubs like Celtic are co-operating with the authorities," Mr Milton told the Irish Daily Star.
"That's one club and one club's supporters. We deal with 20 counties in any given year. We don't have the same relationship.
"Croke Park is not Dublin's ground, it's the GAA's national ground for all counties and supporters. It's a different dynamic.
"This directive applies to all areas of the stadium and all supporters. It was in no way meant to antagonise Dublin."
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2017, 07:38:37 PM
Flag ban not meant to antagonise Dublin fans - Milton
27 July 2017
GAA Director of Communications Alan Milton says the ban on the large Dublin flag from Hill 16 isn't an effort to antagonise Dublin fans.
The iconic flag has traditionally been passed around The Hill by Dubs supporters at GAA HQ before games but will no longer be allowed into the stadium for Health & Safety reasons, having been declared as a potential fire risk by Dublin Fire Brigade and thereby outlawed by the GAA.
Former Dublin footballer Vinny Murphy recently pointed out that the flag is no different to the one passed around in the Kop at Anfield or in Celtic Park, and says he hopes the situation can be resolved.
However, Mr Milton said that the situation at Croke Park is different.
"I assume clubs like Celtic are co-operating with the authorities," Mr Milton told the Irish Daily Star.
"That's one club and one club's supporters. We deal with 20 counties in any given year. We don't have the same relationship.
"Croke Park is not Dublin's ground, it's the GAA's national ground for all counties and supporters. It's a different dynamic.
"This directive applies to all areas of the stadium and all supporters. It was in no way meant to antagonise Dublin."
That bit made me laugh! ;D
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 27, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 27, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Sure all the hierarchy in the GAA are Fianna Fail or Fine Gael heads, for example Sean Kelly. They are also Business orientated.
Read - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-gaa-in-2050-will-be-a-commercialised-and-soulless-place-but-theres-one-man-who-can-save-it-35971593.html
Do we have access to how much the hierarchy of the GAA get paid, how much does your man Milton gets paid etc?
Any GAA member can join any political party . I know members from nearly all parties .
Sean Kelly is the only ex President I know who ever stood for political election,
The salaries of the head boys are published in reports , if you want to change these raise the matter at your club.
The GAA has to have a business model or they sink .
I've always wondered about this and so I looked it up :D I can only see the total salaries figure. Is there a breakdown somewhere?
That's it the breakdown of each person wages, plus any additional perks, bonus. To me GAA and Croker are a lot like any other governmental institution, a job for the boys.
if you have a link handy it would be great.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 28, 2017, 09:07:30 AM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 27, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: ashman on July 27, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 27, 2017, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 27, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
If Milton's statement was about banning non-football related sloganeering, then it would have referred to non-political slogans,
It would have been relatively easy to pass of the non-political stance of the GAA on these matters as part of the reasoning.
As it is, there's no reference at all to the tiny political element, just a blanket ban on flags >A4 etc. etc.
Sure all the hierarchy in the GAA are Fianna Fail or Fine Gael heads, for example Sean Kelly. They are also Business orientated.
Read - http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-the-gaa-in-2050-will-be-a-commercialised-and-soulless-place-but-theres-one-man-who-can-save-it-35971593.html
Do we have access to how much the hierarchy of the GAA get paid, how much does your man Milton gets paid etc?
Any GAA member can join any political party . I know members from nearly all parties .
Sean Kelly is the only ex President I know who ever stood for political election,
The salaries of the head boys are published in reports , if you want to change these raise the matter at your club.
The GAA has to have a business model or they sink .
I've always wondered about this and so I looked it up :D I can only see the total salaries figure. Is there a breakdown somewhere?
That's it the breakdown of each person wages, plus any additional perks, bonus. To me GAA and Croker are a lot like any other governmental institution, a job for the boys.
if you have a link handy it would be great.
Are you asking for a link to the accounts? I'm not sure if you're saying the individual breakdowns are available or not.
The top 10 positions or head of each department/function. Not the Admin staff or anything, I just would like to know how much these guys are taking from the pot to pay themselves, I understand we need full time staff to run it, its a curiosity and it should be open as the GAA is owned by the members I thought was the case but slowly fading.
Dublin = Manchester City.
Crap before all the money flowed in. All Dublin's titles from 2011-onwards should have an asterisk beside them.....ie * sponsored by Croke Park.
Just bump this up, as other threads are getting polluted with hate, jealousy, vile, ignorant , factually incorrect rubbish.
Il keep this bumped for you all until the championship is over.
Such a load of rubbish on here, the only talk about Dublin should be what a fantastic team they are. You could argue they are the saviours of the sport itself, when Jim McGuinness won an All Ireland using the blanket defence and most of the other sheep (counties) followed suit it looked like Gaelic football would become a snorefest to watch, but the Dubs had a lot of underage talent coming through and Gavin implemented this high intensity running game with big emphasis on foot passing which is a joy to watch.
This tends to happen when a team is successful that we want a level playing field, but it does not exist and never has done. In the 70s Dublin reached 6 AI finals in a row with a super team, but their dominance did not last forever. The same with the great Kerry football and Kilkenny hurling team of the last decade. Its just the natural order of things. Dublin do have the biggest population and resources but if thats all that needed for success they would be dominating the sport permanently and also hurling.
How did the boycott of the concession stands go?
Hopefully the dubs followed through and made a statement for the bureaucrats
Quote from: sligoman2 on August 10, 2017, 12:28:54 PM
How did the boycott of the concession stands go?
Hopefully the dubs followed through and made a statement for the bureaucrats
The queue was bad enough in lower cusack. I saw plenty of Dubs on the pints.
Those facebook pages are facebook pages, that's it, they wont represent all Dublin fans, lots of fans don't give a crap about it and just want to go and watch the game and cheer on their team.
Some of those lads, like HILL16 Army only sprung up the last few years thinking Dublin are like Liverpool or United, They are not liked by the GAA, the Dublin county board or most Dublin fans, they are not grassroots with no affiliation to clubs. WhereasReservoir dubs are mostly club men or former club men. These are not and quite frankly its embarrassing so of the stuff they go on about.
Your man is 26 and immature. Has a go at everyone from the GAA to the Dublin county board, he feels he owed something.
Only thing I think is beneficial for all GAA fans that go to the hill is to get rid of that screen now, its served its purpose, the pitch invasion is dead in Croker Park.
Rant over.
Your man in charge of that Hill 16 army page seems to think he's the official voice of Dublin fans. Then when he relays false ticket information to 50k followers without waiting on official word and everyone laps it up it's the GAAs fault all of a sudden when it's not true.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
Your man in charge of that Hill 16 army page seems to think he's the official voice of Dublin fans. Then when he relays false ticket information to 50k followers without waiting on official word and everyone laps it up it's the GAAs fault all of a sudden when it's not true.
exactly, he jumped the gun and tried to blame the GAA and other parties. That's not good.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
Your man in charge of that Hill 16 army page seems to think he's the official voice of Dublin fans. Then when he relays false ticket information to 50k followers without waiting on official word and everyone laps it up it's the GAAs fault all of a sudden when it's not true.
exactly, he jumped the gun and tried to blame the GAA and other parties. That's not good.
In a desperate desperate bid to appear cool he has shot himself in the foot and is trying to shift the blame to an easy target, the faceless GAA.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Those facebook pages are facebook pages, that's it, they wont represent all Dublin fans, lots of fans don't give a crap about it and just want to go and watch the game and cheer on their team.
Some of those lads, like HILL16 Army only sprung up the last few years thinking Dublin are like Liverpool or United, They are not liked by the GAA, the Dublin county board or most Dublin fans, they are not grassroots with no affiliation to clubs. WhereasReservoir dubs are mostly club men or former club men. These are not and quite frankly its embarrassing so of the stuff they go on about.
Your man is 26 and immature. Has a go at everyone from the GAA to the Dublin county board, he feels he owed something.
Only thing I think is beneficial for all GAA fans that go to the hill is to get rid of that screen now, its served its purpose, the pitch invasion is dead in Croker Park.
Rant over.
I'm not so sure about that part. The majority on there seem to spend their time taking the proverbial out of other counties. To me that's not the action of a real GAA person. We all love a bit of banter but some of the stuff said in there is downright nasty.
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Those facebook pages are facebook pages, that's it, they wont represent all Dublin fans, lots of fans don't give a crap about it and just want to go and watch the game and cheer on their team.
Some of those lads, like HILL16 Army only sprung up the last few years thinking Dublin are like Liverpool or United, They are not liked by the GAA, the Dublin county board or most Dublin fans, they are not grassroots with no affiliation to clubs. WhereasReservoir dubs are mostly club men or former club men. These are not and quite frankly its embarrassing so of the stuff they go on about.
Your man is 26 and immature. Has a go at everyone from the GAA to the Dublin county board, he feels he owed something.
Only thing I think is beneficial for all GAA fans that go to the hill is to get rid of that screen now, its served its purpose, the pitch invasion is dead in Croker Park.
Rant over.
+1
The genuine Dub supporters are as sound as committed fans from any other county.
I know a false image can be projected when there's a big game in Croker when Dublin is playing. That's mainly because the Dub supporters tend to congregate on Hill 16 and the messers know they will get plenty of publicity there.
It's a pity that the antics of a small number can give the entire Dublin fanbase a bad name.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Those facebook pages are facebook pages, that's it, they wont represent all Dublin fans, lots of fans don't give a crap about it and just want to go and watch the game and cheer on their team.
Some of those lads, like HILL16 Army only sprung up the last few years thinking Dublin are like Liverpool or United, They are not liked by the GAA, the Dublin county board or most Dublin fans, they are not grassroots with no affiliation to clubs. WhereasReservoir dubs are mostly club men or former club men. These are not and quite frankly its embarrassing so of the stuff they go on about.
Your man is 26 and immature. Has a go at everyone from the GAA to the Dublin county board, he feels he owed something.
Only thing I think is beneficial for all GAA fans that go to the hill is to get rid of that screen now, its served its purpose, the pitch invasion is dead in Croker Park.
Rant over.
I'm not so sure about that part. The majority on there seem to spend their time taking the proverbial out of other counties. To me that's not the action of a real GAA person. We all love a bit of banter but some of the stuff said in there is downright nasty.
Why not?
Just bumping this up for those who need it.
Quote from: mup on August 10, 2017, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on August 10, 2017, 12:53:59 PM
Those facebook pages are facebook pages, that's it, they wont represent all Dublin fans, lots of fans don't give a crap about it and just want to go and watch the game and cheer on their team.
Some of those lads, like HILL16 Army only sprung up the last few years thinking Dublin are like Liverpool or United, They are not liked by the GAA, the Dublin county board or most Dublin fans, they are not grassroots with no affiliation to clubs. WhereasReservoir dubs are mostly club men or former club men. These are not and quite frankly its embarrassing so of the stuff they go on about.
Your man is 26 and immature. Has a go at everyone from the GAA to the Dublin county board, he feels he owed something.
Only thing I think is beneficial for all GAA fans that go to the hill is to get rid of that screen now, its served its purpose, the pitch invasion is dead in Croker Park.
Rant over.
I'm not so sure about that part. The majority on there seem to spend their time taking the proverbial out of other counties. To me that's not the action of a real GAA person. We all love a bit of banter but some of the stuff said in there is downright nasty.
I post on res dubs so dont where your getting the majority. It no different to fans opinions on here about Dublin. Obviously posters will be bias toward their county though most posters condemed Jonny Cooper and Connolly actions over the summer
I go to a lot of games in Croker every year and meet all sorts of Dubs fans.
In my eyes there are a lot of fans who are now used to winning matches easily and not used to other teams getting in their faces to put them off.
Lots of them have never been at a game outside of Croke park and so they don't know that feeling where you're the away fans and are hugely outnumbered so you learn to keep your trap shut, even if you feel passionate about an incident.
The booing of free takers is one of my big pet hates when you play the Dubs. Some will say ahh it's up the free taker to have nerves of steel and it shouldn't really impact them but it definitely does have an impact on a players confidence. If he misses his first chance then right away the crowd will be getting inside his head.
Many Dubs will say it's no great advantage any more playing the top teams in Croker but if you have 60k+ booing you when lining up a tricky free kick it has a huge impact.
Of course the Dubs fans can get on their own teams back if things aren't going their way and hopefully we will see this in two weeks time but usually ye get the cheers for every pass after a certain stage of the game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
I go to a lot of games in Croker every year and meet all sorts of Dubs fans.
In my eyes there are a lot of fans who are now used to winning matches easily and not used to other teams getting in their faces to put them off.
Lots of them have never been at a game outside of Croke park and so they don't know that feeling where you're the away fans and are hugely outnumbered so you learn to keep your trap shut, even if you feel passionate about an incident.
The booing of free takers is one of my big pet hates when you play the Dubs. Some will say ahh it's up the free taker to have nerves of steel and it shouldn't really impact them but it definitely does have an impact on a players confidence. If he misses his first chance then right away the crowd will be getting inside his head.
Many Dubs will say it's no great advantage any more playing the top teams in Croker but if you have 60k+ booing you when lining up a tricky free kick it has a huge impact.
Of course the Dubs fans can get on their own teams back if things aren't going their way and hopefully we will see this in two weeks time but usually ye get the cheers for every pass after a certain stage of the game.
Im sure your able to handle yourself coming from one of the most violent GAA counties. ;)
its not Rugby. Boo away.
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Mayo spending quite a bit too, if this is anything to go by.
U21 All Ireland winners and hurling team won the Nicky Rackard
Senior team played in Croke Park x 5 times. That's 5 overnight stays x 2 nights x 40-50 people approx.
Don't go then. You can see the big attendances in the league whenever the Dubs travel, Kerry, Cavan etc. That's not an advantage to the Dubs that you have to travel to games. Build a bigger stadium, oh sorry I forgot the stadium got bailed out by Croke Park. Cluxton said in his speech on Sunday he hopes we get a few more matches away as we love our away days out.
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Lar, that's a lot of nonsense and you know it. Il address those points later as some of us actually work in Dublin.... unlike our GAA players what..... will all the time off and money they have.
The obsession continues.
TheGreatest, can I ask you simply, do you think that Dublin is at any advantage, no matter how small, compared to other counties, due to the level of funding they receive relative to other counties?
No, but definitely have advantages over other counties that have always existed, pool of players, resources, championship matches in Croke Park (which was always the case).
The majority of coaching money goes on Children, its not as if Cluxton is getting 100k for playing. Some people argue that some Dublin clubs have a bigger pool of players than some counties, which is true, so where do you think the money goes.
I can see both side of the coin, I really can, but I cant ignore is people moaning giving out and slandering every little tiny miniscule thing about Dublin. There wasn't much giving out when we getting laughed out of Croke Park by Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo. Who's laughing now.
Anyway the real GAA is the club and that's what most of you should be worried about is your club.
You could argue the 20 million, yes that's 20 million that Cork got from Croke Park for building their stadium, how much money will that generate for them over the years. Plus the training pitches beside, the Tyrone centre of excellence cost millions, the Clare centre of excellence, the new Kerry centre of excellence that will cost millions, the Kerry sponsorship, the wealthiest company ever to sponsor a team. The Croke park bailout of Kildare, the bailout of Mayo's stadium even with millions in the bank they still put the hand out. The Donegal money during the McGuiness era, the helicopters to training, some might say it was money that won it for Donegal.
There are some very good GAA in Dublin and they get disrespected at every turn.
Il post a post later from another forum in response to Spewan's Mcckenna's latest copy and paste hack job.
Okay I realise I am probably arguing with somebody who when they think of Financial Reporting they have an image of the hand counting 50 euro notes on RTE Six One News but I'll do my best!!!
Mayo County Board took out a loan of roughly 5 million euros with Ulster Bank & 5 million euros from the GAA to finance the refurbishment of McHale Park. They entered into a loan agreement that would have them repay the loan plus interest over certain amount of years. This loan as like all loans taken out by county boards was underwritten by the GAA HQ as a gurantor (bit like your parents did for your Leaving Cert Holiday personal loan this summer), intsead of using the asset i.e. McHale Park as collateral.
Now when the Mayo county board were struggling to make the annual repayment of the loan to Ulster bank GAA HQ decided to buy the loan off Ulster Bank so the Mayo Co Board would now repay the loan to Croke Park only.
Now here is the important part, to help the Mayo Co Board the GAA lengthened the term of the loan to reduce the annual repayments figure required each year but as a consequence Mayo will have to pay more interest on the Loan in the long run. So while Mayo Co Board will pay a lower annual loan repayment to help reduce day to day expenses they will be forced to carry the debt longer and WILL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE FULL AMOUNT PLUS INCREASED INTEREST OF ALL THE MONIES OWED ON THE LOAN!!!!
A bail out for example would be where the GAA took over responsibilty for and repaid the Ulster Bank Loan, leved all the other counties a charge to cover the cost of buying out the €10 million loan then charge Mayo a written down amount of say €3 million and the rest of the GAA membership carried the written down cost of €7 million as result of Mayo's mistakes!!
As fo Mayo having millions in the bank, if you look at their accounts they posted in 2015 & 2016 a Balance Sheet profit based on assets held similiar to the Balance Sheet profits posted by AIB & Anglo Irish Bank in 2007!!! Essentially in real terms Mayo take in just about enough money to cover the costs each year mainly by fundraising and increasing annual charges on the clubs plus the Chairde Mhaigh Eo season ticket.
They majority of the expenses are running the county senior & underage football & hurling teams along with the loan repayments compared to a tiny amount spent on coaching & development. The unequal expenses spend can be put down to the ridiculous mistakes made during the redevlopment of McHale park no doubt but also down to a smaller or non-existent it could be argued devlopment grant payments from Central Council!!!
I understand finance and accounting practices, im in the same game.
So why are spending so much on your senior team then if you cant afford it.?
Well we can afford it, just about anyway and the money spent on the team is money generated by Mayo Gaa members and sponsorship attained by Mayo GAA. Okay so the GAA agreed to the loan restructure but it's not as if the Mayo football team doesn't generate money for Croke park , no more than Dubs at the moment so it wasn't 100% a friendly gesture by the GAA to accept the loan restructure deal as they will come out on top in the end!!
I think the bone of contention for most non Dubs is the GAA realised the urban challenges Dublin faced 25 years ago in Football & Hurling and acted accordingly with the games development money along with a plan put in place by the Dub Co Board but with Dublin on strong footing now it is time for the GAA to realise the challenges faced by the rest of the counties!!
If the figures are true in respect of development grants form the GAA and Sports council then most Dubs could see why other counties would look on and wonder where this is all going to bring us??
For the GAA it is a no brainer, they have the proof that sustained investment in coaching and development of a counties underage structures is sucessful just look at Dublin as they stand today!!!
Outside of Tyrone and Kerry in football (with potentially Galway & Kildare also) where do we see a consistent developemt of talent at underage to challenge Dublin?
My own county Mayo can still produce the odd elite underage team but this is by accident rather than design as the money is just not there to sustain a 10 or 15 year plan!!
You could say why don't Mayo just cut the spending on the senior team but the majority of the funding for coaching at club and underage level comes on the back of the success of the senior team so it is a chicken and egg situation for the Mayo Co Board as it is I would guess in Roscommon,Leitrim,Clare,Cavan,Monaghan,Westmeath,Down,Armagh etc...
When the Dubs were struggling for success they had the GAA development money to kickstart the plans independent of the short term success of the senior football team!!
Paul Curran was half right when he wrote recently that counties need to invest in a longterm development plan rather than hire a big name county manager but without significant investment from the GAA as happened in Dublin then the counties only other revenue generator is a successful (in relative terms) senior intercounty teamwhich back most county boards into a corner!!
Mayo and Kerry are very similar in that both are rural counties where gaelic football is the main sport and have populations of 100k+. There are many counties in this bracket, the only real advantage I see Kerry having from other counties is that they are the sole football county in a hurling province and as such will always have a relatively straight forward route to the last 8, they know they'll be there every year without breaking sweat and can plan accordingly.
But as for underage teams, there is nothing really that suggests Mayo should be in anyway inferior than Kerry. If they're not as good as Kerry, then they are not doing things as well. Kerry are on for 4 in a row now but they were 19 years without one before they got the first of those current three in a row.
Dublin have all the advantages at the minute and I do believe this needs to be tackled but I think some people just use it as an excuse for failings.
If Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry can currently challenge Dublin now then why can't other counties like Meath, Kildare, Galway or Cork?
Tyrone currently do it with one of the lowest spends on their county team in the country. Dublin have always had the advantages but it is only when they got their structures right that they began to make use of those advantages.
Do you disagree with me "The Greatest" and think being the home team and how they boo the free takers doesn't impact the players?
I'm curious what other grounds you've been to with Dublin in league games?
Compare how much easier it is for Cluxton to kick a 45 in the dying moments in a match compared to say Cillian O'Connor or Morgan for Tyrone.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2017, 02:52:20 PM
Do you disagree with me "The Greatest" and think being the home team and how they boo the free takers doesn't impact the players?
I'm curious what other grounds you've been to with Dublin in league games?
Compare how much easier it is for Cluxton to kick a 45 in the dying moments in a match compared to say Cillian O'Connor or Morgan for Tyrone.
The booing is an irrelevance with regards to Croke Park.
What is a much bigger advantage to Dublin is the way Croke Park plays, they are much more familiar with it than any side in the Championship and it is a completely different surface to any other provincial ground in the country.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 14, 2017, 02:52:20 PM
Do you disagree with me "The Greatest" and think being the home team and how they boo the free takers doesn't impact the players?
I'm curious what other grounds you've been to with Dublin in league games?
Compare how much easier it is for Cluxton to kick a 45 in the dying moments in a match compared to say Cillian O'Connor or Morgan for Tyrone.
Home teams have advantages, its quite common in Sport. Making noise to try and put opposition off and intimidate is also popular in field sports. Its not tennis, Rugby (although seems only an Irish thing).
Look at some of the displays behind goals in American football, soccer, basketball etc. when a opposition free or conversion etc, its in a lot of sports. Creates atmosphere and I wouldn't apologise for it.
Relatively unknown to some on this site is that teams that lose are not as good as the teams that wins, Booing does not make a team lose, if your good enough etc.....