All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
make the club championship something big give it big platform
TG4 do a decent enough job. To be fair most of us are not interested in games club outside our county.
Quote from: irish345 on September 09, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
I don't think there's any need to get rid of the provincial club championship.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
TG4 do a decent enough job. To be fair most of us are not interested in games club outside our county.
+1.
Also we should keep the Provincials Clubs Championships.
At least they're not as lopsided ad the County ones.
It's probably unfair to have a club from Donegal travelling to Cork for a c'ship game, with all the cost that that involves. Very few clubs would need an overnight stay for a provincial tie.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 09, 2018, 11:24:29 AM
It's probably unfair to have a club from Donegal travelling to Cork for a c'ship game, with all the cost that that involves. Very few clubs would need an overnight stay for a provincial tie.
+1 The provincial system is sound for club. Easier more accessible games for both Team and fans. Plus there is a midway challenge of winning another title!
Quote from: irish345 on September 09, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
Show me a single club game in history, anywhere, that needed a "full house" sign, and then this conversation can begin.
Until then you're confusing your personal interests and preferences with that of the general public.
The provincial championships are probably the best competitions in club. A lot of county championships have a lot of fluff games that aren't of much interest to supporters.
Club provincial championships are brilliant. The best games I was ever involved in were battles versus the likes of bellaghy and ballinderry. The club championship is brilliant as it is and should only be encouraged but not changed. I still believe the club finals should be maintained on st Patrick's day.
Quote from: irish345 on September 09, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
Is this your Jerry Maguire moment? Lay off the alcohol mate.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 09, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
Club provincial championships are brilliant. The best games I was ever involved in were battles versus the likes of bellaghy and ballinderry. The club championship is brilliant as it is and should only be encouraged but not changed. I still believe the club finals should be maintained on st Patrick's day.
The format is perfect, why change it? BC1 and others who have experienced it at the different levels will cherish those moments of being in Croker as a player/supporter/parent or management.
Tg4 do a great job, I personally love these club games coming up, the intensity is hard to beat.
Did the move to finish the club championships in the same calendar year fall by the wayside?
Not heard anything about it lately.
Nothing wrong with the current format. The only change I'd make is work with Bord Fáilte to promote the All-Ireland club finals on St Paddy's day as a tourist attraction. Croke Park should be full when those matches are on. Tourists want a genuine Irish experience, and it doesn't get more genuine than that.
Club is the future. Holds much more interest and intrigue than county.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2018, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: irish345 on September 09, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
Show me a single club game in history, anywhere, that needed a "full house" sign, and then this conversation can begin.
Until then you're confusing your personal interests and preferences with that of the general public.
So don't promote it until its filling venues? That logic is entirely backwards
Quote from: haranguerer on September 10, 2018, 08:32:40 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2018, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: irish345 on September 09, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
All this talk of counties merging and counties splitting why not do more to promote the club game and maybe restructure the all ireland club championship maybe a 32 team open tournament for all county champions get rid of provincial championships have it like old european club champions cup you could bring in teams outside ireland too.
have games live on rte2 on friday nights saturday and sunday with a final on a saturday at like 4pm
Show me a single club game in history, anywhere, that needed a "full house" sign, and then this conversation can begin.
Until then you're confusing your personal interests and preferences with that of the general public.
So don't promote it until its filling venues? That logic is entirely backwards
Ok. Sure let's televise club matches in cricket, ladies hockey, cycling and bowls while we are at.
Promotion of games and national TV coverage of games are not the same thing.
I know. Not sure why you think they are? I read the initial post as chiefly about promoting the club championship, with tv coverage as an aside. (I don't agree with restructuring it either)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 09, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
Club provincial championships are brilliant. The best games I was ever involved in were battles versus the likes of bellaghy and ballinderry. The club championship is brilliant as it is and should only be encouraged but not changed. I still believe the club finals should be maintained on st Patrick's day.
They are straight knockout. That adds an intensity that has been diluted in a number of Counties with Round-robin and back door re-entry.
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
Quote from: APM on September 10, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
That's a bit of a paradox but I do get what you're on about. Club football is not always the greatest quality but the spirit of it is generally great and that is based on the local rivalry and the demographical spirit. In saying that money has had a negative impact but it's not the reason that teams play like they did in that Slaughtniel Magherafelt game. While it was the extreme you need to factor in too that the half was nearly over and Magherafelt were trying to close up shop till the whistle. Was the whole game like that? I coach a team and we were playing in the 1/4 final of the championship yesterday. We were 8 points up and in injury time. We got a sideline ball in the opposite half and kicked it back about 50 yards and played the ball round to run the clock down. This happens. That 2 minute slot from the Slaughtniel game is not necessarily reflective of the previous 30 odd minutes. If it is then there is a problem
Quote from: APM on September 10, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
100% on the nail on all counts.
I'd like to see radical changes to the provincial and All Ireland club championships, and I think they're grossly overrated and are the tail that is wagging the club GAA dog in many counties.
Pretty much all the fixture pile-ups within counties are directly linked to counties having to give their county champions a fair crack at the provincial championships. This leads to bizarre situations like clubs playing county finals a week after winning a semi-final, or county final replays being played on week nights.
And the junior and intermediate provincial and All Ireland club championships are a joke, dominated by counties who artificially restrict the number of clubs playing senior championship and repeatedly featuring clubs who let themselves get relegated in a given year and beat all before them in the next year.
Cavan Gaels have dominated Cavan football since the millennium but had to win a relegation playoff in 2016 to avoid dropping to intermediate. Had they lost that game they would have probably have won the 2017 Ulster intermediate club championship but instead reached that year's Ulster senior club final. Which rather makes a mockery of the intermediate.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 10, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
Quote from: APM on September 10, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
That's a bit of a paradox but I do get what you're on about. Club football is not always the greatest quality but the spirit of it is generally great and that is based on the local rivalry and the demographical spirit. In saying that money has had a negative impact but it's not the reason that teams play like they did in that Slaughtniel Magherafelt game. While it was the extreme you need to factor in too that the half was nearly over and Magherafelt were trying to close up shop till the whistle. Was the whole game like that? I coach a team and we were playing in the 1/4 final of the championship yesterday. We were 8 points up and in injury time. We got a sideline ball in the opposite half and kicked it back about 50 yards and played the ball round to run the clock down. This happens. That 2 minute slot from the Slaughtniel game is not necessarily reflective of the previous 30 odd minutes. If it is then there is a problem
Was at two club championship matches at the weekend, doing the line at one and ref'ing the other, the intermediate game I heard the manager shouting, let the defenders have the ball when the other team was taking its kick out, playing a lone forward up front and not pressing until it reached half way! There was a point when the team had a sideline ball on the other teams 14 yard line and managed to play the ball all the way back to their keeper, this team was getting bate by 4 points at this point !!
The senior match lacked intensity and there was one tackle of note during the whole match, but in fairness to them they played 15 on 15, whether they change that system once they meet a team of a higher standard remains to be seen.
The club championship is fantastic but there's no harm in trying to give it a wee boost. I don't know how but more coverage, better times, better venues could be a start.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
The club championship is fantastic but there's no harm in trying to give it a wee boost. I don't know how but more coverage, better times, better venues could be a start.
At club level Tg4 have two games on a Sunday once the club competitions start and they also have shown county finals also.. I don't know much more they can do, Our county has different games on from Friday through to Sunday night allowing as many supporters to go to the games.. Some standards are better than others and some games may like a high standard but are intense..
I'm all for counties showing these matches via their media outlet, but what are the rules on that sort of stuff, can a county PRO record a game live and put it on Facebook?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
The club championship is fantastic but there's no harm in trying to give it a wee boost. I don't know how but more coverage, better times, better venues could be a start.
At club level Tg4 have two games on a Sunday once the club competitions start and they also have shown county finals also.. I don't know much more they can do, Our county has different games on from Friday through to Sunday night allowing as many supporters to go to the games.. Some standards are better than others and some games may like a high standard but are intense..
I'm all for counties showing these matches via their media outlet, but what are the rules on that sort of stuff, can a county PRO record a game live and put it on Facebook?
Armagh GAA have their own television service and stream live games. There are issues at the minute with volunteers but it isn't great service. They will show live championship matches and you set up and online account and pay normally £3 or £5 for per broadcast. It's a great service and is the sort of thing that should be encouraged in my opinion
Quote from: five points on September 10, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: APM on September 10, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
100% on the nail on all counts.
I'd like to see radical changes to the provincial and All Ireland club championships, and I think they're grossly overrated and are the tail that is wagging the club GAA dog in many counties.
Pretty much all the fixture pile-ups within counties are directly linked to counties having to give their county champions a fair crack at the provincial championships. This leads to bizarre situations like clubs playing county finals a week after winning a semi-final, or county final replays being played on week nights.
And the junior and intermediate provincial and All Ireland club championships are a joke, dominated by counties who artificially restrict the number of clubs playing senior championship and repeatedly featuring clubs who let themselves get relegated in a given year and beat all before them in the next year.
Cavan Gaels have dominated Cavan football since the millennium but had to win a relegation playoff in 2016 to avoid dropping to intermediate. Had they lost that game they would have probably have won the 2017 Ulster intermediate club championship but instead reached that year's Ulster senior club final. Which rather makes a mockery of the intermediate.
Good spread of counties that have won these titles and reached the final, Kerry would be the main culprit in this 'rigging' of things but thats a call that has to be made from HQ and give Kerry direction on this, I never know how their championship works.
7 different counties at Junior level have won it, similar at intermediate and not one Dublin team have won these
Crokes beat yesterday but are they still in the championship?
Quote from: An Watcher on September 10, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
The club championship is fantastic but there's no harm in trying to give it a wee boost. I don't know how but more coverage, better times, better venues could be a start.
Another 2-3 weeks off the IC season would be a start. All Counties should then be able to finish out their championships by mid-September to allow the Inter-pro clubs championships to begin at the start of October.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 10, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Another 2-3 weeks off the IC season would be a start. All Counties should then be able to finish out their championships by mid-September to allow the Inter-pro clubs championships to begin at the start of October.
Too short as it is. The condensed season this year was a shambles and the muck will hit the fan soon when loads of intercounty players opt off panels because of the pressure cooker championship timetable.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: five points on September 10, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
Quote from: APM on September 10, 2018, 09:46:50 AM
This has to be the stupidest concept I have seen yet. The GAA is built on neighbouring rivalries and you want an open draw. There is a reason that you don't get huge crowds at club matches and its nothing to do with promotion. Its all to do with demographics. The following a club is limited to the size of their catchment and you aren't going to get people from Cullyhanna, Silverbridge and Culloville travelling to watch Crossmaglen's first round match somewhere in Munster.
People hold up club football as some paragon of virtue. That's absolute horseshit. Take a look at the footage online of Slaughtneil and Magherafelt this weekend. Look at the vast sums being paid to club managers all over Ireland. Look at clubs in Dublin attempting to buy success by incentivising inward transfers.
100% on the nail on all counts.
I'd like to see radical changes to the provincial and All Ireland club championships, and I think they're grossly overrated and are the tail that is wagging the club GAA dog in many counties.
Pretty much all the fixture pile-ups within counties are directly linked to counties having to give their county champions a fair crack at the provincial championships. This leads to bizarre situations like clubs playing county finals a week after winning a semi-final, or county final replays being played on week nights.
And the junior and intermediate provincial and All Ireland club championships are a joke, dominated by counties who artificially restrict the number of clubs playing senior championship and repeatedly featuring clubs who let themselves get relegated in a given year and beat all before them in the next year.
Cavan Gaels have dominated Cavan football since the millennium but had to win a relegation playoff in 2016 to avoid dropping to intermediate. Had they lost that game they would have probably have won the 2017 Ulster intermediate club championship but instead reached that year's Ulster senior club final. Which rather makes a mockery of the intermediate.
Good spread of counties that have won these titles and reached the final, Kerry would be the main culprit in this 'rigging' of things but thats a call that has to be made from HQ and give Kerry direction on this, I never know how their championship works.
7 different counties at Junior level have won it, similar at intermediate and not one Dublin team have won these
Crokes beat yesterday but are they still in the championship?
Here is the best explanation of the Kerry Championship, right up to date for you:
Preliminary Round (loser exits the competition)St. Brendan's 0-16 West Kerry 1-9
Round 1 (16 teams, Open Draw, winners to Round 2A, losers to Round 2B)South Kerry 1-14 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-13; Killarney Legion 2-14 Rathmore 2-12; Mid Kerry 2-14 An Ghaeltacht 0-10; Dr. Crokes 1-18 St. Kieran's 2-13; East Kerry 4-20 St. Brendan's 2-11; Kerins O'Rahilly's 3-15 Feale Rangers 0-16; Austin Stacks 2-22 Kenmare District 0-6; Dingle 3-18 Shannon Rangers 0-9.
Round 2A (Winners from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners go to quarter final, losers go to Round 3)Killarney Legion 2-13 Mid Kerry 2-9; East Kerry 6-16 Dingle 2-10;
Kerins O'Rahilly's 3-18 Dr. Crokes 2-16; Austin Stacks 4-7 South Kerry 1-15.
Round 2B (Losers from Rd 1, 8 teams, Open Draw, winners to Rd 3, losers exit the competition)Rathmore 0-17 Kenmare Shamrocks 0-15; An Ghaeltacht 2-18 Kenmare District 0-5;
St Kieran's 1-14 Feale Rangers 1-13; St Brendan's 6-11 Shannon Rangers 0-16.
Round 3 - 2A Losers v 2B winners (avoid repeat games), losers exit the competitionSouth Kerry v Rathmore; Mid Kerry v St. Brendan's;
Dr. Crokes v An Ghaeltacht; Dingle v St. Kieran's
Quarter Finals – Rd 2A Winners v Rd 3 Winners (4 v 4)Seeded Draw: 2A Winners in one bowl and Rd 3 Winners in separate bowl.
Avoid repeat games if possible
Killarney Legion
East Kerry
Kerins O'Rahilly's
Austin Stacks
Semi-finals – Quarter Final winners (open draw)Final – Semi Final winners
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
I would move the club final to an evening throw in on st Patricks day. Would be some atmosphere as i think more would go to it after the parade.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
And because there are only 8 senior Teams in Kerry. The Intermediate Championship is like a Senior B Competition, The Junior Championship is like a Intermediate B Competition And the Novice Competition is like Junior!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Not sure but you agree that giving the best teams in the counties a second chance (should they get bate in a round robin/back door/ second chance match) will only ensure that the chance of a non traditional winning club/parish won't make or win finals..
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Only a few in Ulster, none in the rest of the country.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Not sure but you agree that giving the best teams in the counties a second chance (should they get bate in a round robin/back door/ second chance match) will only ensure that the chance of a non traditional winning club/parish won't make or win finals..
True for club and county.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Not sure but you agree that giving the best teams in the counties a second chance (should they get bate in a round robin/back door/ second chance match) will only ensure that the chance of a non traditional winning club/parish won't make or win finals..
True for club and county.
Well it's worked out well for some, but Dublin haven't really given anyone a chance to beat them ..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 10, 2018, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
That's a mad draw, and that's just senior!!
What's mad about it?
By the way, the intermediate and junior championships were finished by mid-May in Kerry.
A good team can be beaten once by an underdog, generally the better team won't be so foolish the next time around, championship should be one bite at the cherry, my view of course
How many counties are straight knock-out any more?
Not sure but you agree that giving the best teams in the counties a second chance (should they get bate in a round robin/back door/ second chance match) will only ensure that the chance of a non traditional winning club/parish won't make or win finals..
True for club and county.
Well it's worked out well for some, but Dublin haven't really given anyone a chance to beat them ..
Nobody devalued All Ireland wins via back door. Or do you?
Quote from: five points on September 10, 2018, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 10, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Another 2-3 weeks off the IC season would be a start. All Counties should then be able to finish out their championships by mid-September to allow the Inter-pro clubs championships to begin at the start of October.
Too short as it is. The condensed season this year was a shambles and the muck will hit the fan soon when loads of intercounty players opt off panels because of the pressure cooker championship timetable.
And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?
I give up, how many?
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Fat lot of good the new condensed intercounty season did so.
Quote from: five points on September 11, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?
I give up, how many?
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Fat lot of good the new condensed intercounty season did so.
County board or Mickey Harte decision??
Quote from: Orchard park on September 11, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: five points on September 11, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?
I give up, how many?
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Fat lot of good the new condensed intercounty season did so.
County board or Mickey Harte decision??
Tyrone played most weeks so neither had a choice. The county board did put forward a proposal last year that would lead to 6 extra starred games without county players (overall non starred games would still be worth same % of points) which would have filled up the summer schedule but it was voted down. Other than that or putting forward some form of summer competition without the county players and hoping the clubs will buy into it there isn't much they can do.
To be fair the players are probably happy with July off and if it wasn't for Tyrone reaching the final the league would be wrapped up by now with just play offs to go at most.
Quote from: five points on September 11, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
And how many are dropping out of club football because of the lack of football?
I give up, how many?
Quote from: LeoMc on September 11, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
There were no Senior club games in Tyrone from 01st July until last week,
Fat lot of good the new condensed intercounty season did so.
At 9 weeks it is 3 weeks less than it would have been had Tyrone reached the final last year. Next week would be 1 week better again with no Papal visit. Another few weeks off the IC seacon would let the 99% play football during the summer months and move the Provincial club championships out of November.
Couldn't find anywhere better for this
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1028/1007224-cpa-chairman-calls-for-action-after-wicklow-backlog/
GAA still needs to "fix the fixtures"
Quote from: Rossfan on October 29, 2018, 09:45:43 AM
Couldn't find anywhere better for this
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1028/1007224-cpa-chairman-calls-for-action-after-wicklow-backlog/
GAA still needs to "fix the fixtures"
You'd wonder how Wicklow have a backlog. Then again there may be a lot of dual clubs.
Their Senior team were gone from the Championship in June.
We were in it till 5th August.
Our Senior Co Final was 2 weeks ago.
Time to go back to progressing Club and County in tandem with allocated weekends for each perhaps?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Nothing wrong with the current format. The only change I'd make is work with Bord Fáilte to promote the All-Ireland club finals on St Paddy's day as a tourist attraction. Croke Park should be full when those matches are on. Tourists want a genuine Irish experience, and it doesn't get more genuine than that.
On a more general note; we are missing a huge opportunity for tourism; every visitor should be encouraged to go to a club match and meet the real people of Ireland. Gaelic games are a unique cultural treasure yet visitors never see them; even give the younger more adventurous ones an opportunity to join a training session, take part in a tournament etc etc. And apart from AI finals and when the Dubs are involved, Croke Park is never full; the GAA should be promoting this on a regular basis
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Nothing wrong with the current format. The only change I'd make is work with Bord Fáilte to promote the All-Ireland club finals on St Paddy's day as a tourist attraction. Croke Park should be full when those matches are on. Tourists want a genuine Irish experience, and it doesn't get more genuine than that.
I Don't know. The Club finals in Croke Park are a personal thing. They are for the Villages and Towns who have teams competing on the day. They are then for the hardcore football/Hurling follower. After that there is only passive interest from the general GAA Fraternity in attending the games. To bring a tourist to a 2/3 empty Croke Park, where fans are coming and going as there is usually mixed interest between football and Hurling folllowers. The finals are usually on a Cold day. And the Standard of football and Hurling is decent but as one would expect not Inter-county standard. Half time entertainment is either drab or non existent.
For me it's to messy of a day to introduce a Tourist to our games for them to really get the full value of what we do and what we are about.
Make them go to a Junior B match in Ballinameen in a wet windy evening ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 29, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Nothing wrong with the current format. The only change I'd make is work with Bord Fáilte to promote the All-Ireland club finals on St Paddy's day as a tourist attraction. Croke Park should be full when those matches are on. Tourists want a genuine Irish experience, and it doesn't get more genuine than that.
I Don't know. The Club finals in Croke Park are a personal thing. They are for the Villages and Towns who have teams competing on the day. They are then for the hardcore football/Hurling follower. After that there is only passive interest from the general GAA Fraternity in attending the games. To bring a tourist to a 2/3 empty Croke Park, where fans are coming and going as there is usually mixed interest between football and Hurling folllowers. The finals are usually on a Cold day. And the Standard of football and Hurling is decent but as one would expect not Inter-county standard. Half time entertainment is either drab or non existent.
For me it's to messy of a day to introduce a Tourist to our games for them to really get the full value of what we do and what we are about.
Wouldn't be 2/3 empty if it's full of tourists.
The Palio di Siena is in theory only of interest to the locals who care which of the town's wards win the race. Tourists don't care which one wins, only the spectacle and the passion that it inspires.
Tourists want to see the genuine Ireland. It doesn't get more genuine than GAA club matches and the All-Ireland club final is as good as it gets in the club game. By that stage the standard is plenty high enough to satisfy the casual spectator.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 29, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 29, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Nothing wrong with the current format. The only change I'd make is work with Bord Fáilte to promote the All-Ireland club finals on St Paddy's day as a tourist attraction. Croke Park should be full when those matches are on. Tourists want a genuine Irish experience, and it doesn't get more genuine than that.
I Don't know. The Club finals in Croke Park are a personal thing. They are for the Villages and Towns who have teams competing on the day. They are then for the hardcore football/Hurling follower. After that there is only passive interest from the general GAA Fraternity in attending the games. To bring a tourist to a 2/3 empty Croke Park, where fans are coming and going as there is usually mixed interest between football and Hurling folllowers. The finals are usually on a Cold day. And the Standard of football and Hurling is decent but as one would expect not Inter-county standard. Half time entertainment is either drab or non existent.
For me it's to messy of a day to introduce a Tourist to our games for them to really get the full value of what we do and what we are about.
Wouldn't be 2/3 empty if it's full of tourists.
The Palio di Siena is in theory only of interest to the locals who care which of the town's wards win the race. Tourists don't care which one wins, only the spectacle and the passion that it inspires.
Tourists want to see the genuine Ireland. It doesn't get more genuine than GAA club matches and the All-Ireland club final is as good as it gets in the club game. By that stage the standard is plenty high enough to satisfy the casual spectator.
If you are looking at taking the Tourist away from the main razzmatazz of the Parade in Dublin. There is only going to be one winner. I have to confess any time I have been at the Club Finals I've gone in only to see the second half of the Hurling, unless the Galway Champions are involved. It is a day for the thermals and sitting through one game on the day is a hard call, especially if you are a neutral.
Your image of the Club All Ireland Final day is romantic. But when you look at it deeper the GAA are getting as much as one can expect from it.
If the match were well enough presented then it'd be as good or probably better than the parade.
One issue is that you have different units of the organisation responsible for different stages of what is the same competition - the club champions start out being the responsibility of the county boards, then the provincial councils take over before responsibility moves to Croke Park. You have a similar issue with intercounty with provincal
Councils having some responsibility and Croke Park some. That's before you consider schools and 3rd level, and that's before you go near hand ball and rounders, never mind ladies football and camogie.