FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[seafoid]

This is a really interesting discussion especially from 15 minutes on

Vinny Perth on the League of Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWtx38n46HM

Rovers are cat B and have all the things he listed, chefs, full time coaches and whatnot, so he isn't correct that nobody does it. But has he says himself, comparison with England is facile. I understand the Brits are looking at Irish grass roots.they are notoriously poor on coaching education and badges outside the pro game.

When all is said and done, the LoI produced Keane, McGrath, Moran, Whelan, Coleman, Bazunu, McClean', Beglin, Hoolihan, Doyle, Long, Zefi and so on. So I think he is being a bit contrary.

Meanwhile the Indo reports the LoI is due to have over a million paying punters this season. Something intersting is happening crowdwise

Most of those players were produced either pre Brexit or before the EPL became the Global Super League. The question is where talented Irish 16-18 year olds are going to get the right experience.

[Baile Brigín 2]

This is a really interesting discussion especially from 15 minutes on

Vinny Perth on the League of Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWtx38n46HM

Rovers are cat B and have all the things he listed, chefs, full time coaches and whatnot, so he isn't correct that nobody does it. But has he says himself, comparison with England is facile. I understand the Brits are looking at Irish grass roots.they are notoriously poor on coaching education and badges outside the pro game.

When all is said and done, the LoI produced Keane, McGrath, Moran, Whelan, Coleman, Bazunu, McClean', Beglin, Hoolihan, Doyle, Long, Zefi and so on. So I think he is being a bit contrary.

Meanwhile the Indo reports the LoI is due to have over a million paying punters this season. Something intersting is happening crowdwise

Most of those players were produced either pre Brexit or before the EPL became the Global Super League. The question is where talented Irish 16-18 year olds are going to get the right experience.

Italy.

But the point the unemployed Perth missed is that the LoI has and is filling that gap. The underlying issue is Championship and L1 clubs swooped in big numbers this window for experienced young players. They see the LoI as nurturing talent perfectly well. But he us right that it should be more structured. Only 1 full time acadamy isn't good enough

[seafoid]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

[Baile Brigín 2]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

[seafoid]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

[Baile Brigín 2]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

[seafoid]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

[Baile Brigín 2]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

[seafoid]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

How much would soccer and women need to do it properly ?

[Baile Brigín 2]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

How much would soccer and women need to do it properly ?

What properly?

[Muck Savage]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

The main difference between soccer and the racing is that soccer has the ability to become a self sufficient business but needs help to get going properly. Getting stadiums and facilities in place to host proper academies is key. Between revenue from proper stadiums and proper academies the clubs could become self sufficient very quick. My guess is Shamrock Rovers are self sufficient or very close to it over the last 10 years between game day revenue and transfers (leaving out European money as not all clubs can access this).
The Nags and Dags will always need government or sponsorship money, they can't live on race day revenue alone. It's a different business model.

[Baile Brigín 2]

What he was saying is that there is a gap for very talented young players who may already be playing LoI.
If the system is working well the international team should be flúirseach.

I don't think anyone disputes our underage teams are the best in generations, if not ever.

But ok - is that a bad thing? Players can still go to other EU countries at 16 but Britain at 18. The really serious players go to Inter or Udinese. Those who don't want that approach go over to England as pro's on transfer fees. Win win surely? Remember that whole 98% failing in the brutal English machine and coming back with no education?

I think it can be tweaked.
It has to be structured especially the continental path.
And it has to be funded.

Womens sport is on the rise and there are similar issues to football

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2023/02/20/tipping-point-audiences-want-good-sport-no-matter-who-plays-it-so-demand-more-coverage-of-women/
"In Ireland, women's sport is still harassed by fundamental challenges. Basic resources remain a huge issue. There are serious infrastructural deficiencies. In the last three or four years, the national women's squads in rugby and soccer both needed to take militant stances in order to force change in their own federations. It is only five years since the Irish hockey squad reached the World Cup final while doing their own fundraising along the way, and paying a €550 annual levy to cover expenses"

Sport changes lives, especially in deprived areas. It saves money on health and justice. This could even be quantified.  The department of Health is a black hole.
The main difference sports wise between Ireland and say Belgium or Serbia is infrastructure.

So imo the FAI should unite with the women to demand a new sports infrastructure settlement.

They are. Wasn't there a proposal to up the betting tax by 1% and that money go to infrastructure in field sports?

1% of  a small number is not enough
https://data.gov.ie/dataset/breakdown-of-betting-duty-receipts

Link it to corporation tax
https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/documents/research/ct-analysis-2021.pdf

or to health spending
https://www.statista.com/topics/3418/healthcare-system-in-ireland/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s

It's about 100m a year. More is wagered on soccer than horses yet horses and dogs get 100% of the levy and half of that is direct to prize money. Assume soccer gets a third, would make a serious difference in allowing soccer set up acadamies.

The main difference between soccer and the racing is that soccer has the ability to become a self sufficient business but needs help to get going properly. Getting stadiums and facilities in place to host proper academies is key. Between revenue from proper stadiums and proper academies the clubs could become self sufficient very quick. My guess is Shamrock Rovers are self sufficient or very close to it over the last 10 years between game day revenue and transfers (leaving out European money as not all clubs can access this).
The Nags and Dags will always need government or sponsorship money, they can't live on race day revenue alone. It's a different business model.

It's a failed business model.

We can argue the merits or otherwise of having a horse and dog industry. But when it hets more of a subvention than gaelic games, soccer and rugby combined something has gone wrong.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/2023/01/27/not-enough-trickling-down-from-racings-elite-to-sparrows-underneath/
This year prizemoney in Ireland is at a record €68.6 million. Horse Racing Ireland will contribute 62 per cent of that.
€72.8 million was the total subvention.

[seafoid]

 Mná na hÉireann drew 0-0 with China, ranked 14 in the world.

[Milltown Row2]

Mná na hÉireann drew 0-0 with China, ranked 14 in the world.

Any sing songs afterwards