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The Trap

Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

keep her low this half

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Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

May would have signed the deal last December putting the border in the Irish Sea and the North remaining in the customs union as she was all set to do until Arlene threw the toys out of the pram. The North would have become very attractive to business as it could have exported tariff free to Europe and the UK at the same time. And possibly, just possibly the north may have begun to pay its own way

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Yes they should but hardliners would rather eat grass than see the other lot win, this is particularly easy when you are on a £50,000 per year MLA salary or £70,000 per year MP salary

Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

The DUP certainly are, most sensible people are worried about the impact on jobs, livelihoods etc. If you are unsure about the DUP attitude go back to the interview with Nelson McCausland a while back, when asked about how much Brexit would cost he replied he didn't care this was principle not economics

Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

Yes, the last time we were in full control over here was from 1922 to 1972 and we all know how that ended

OgraAnDun

Quote from: keep her low this half on October 03, 2018, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

May would have signed the deal last December putting the border in the Irish Sea and the North remaining in the customs union as she was all set to do until Arlene threw the toys out of the pram. The North would have become very attractive to business as it could have exported tariff free to Europe and the UK at the same time. And possibly, just possibly the north may have begun to pay its own way

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Yes they should but hardliners would rather eat grass than see the other lot win, this is particularly easy when you are on a £50,000 per year MLA salary or £70,000 per year MP salary


Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

The DUP certainly are, most sensible people are worried about the impact on jobs, livelihoods etc. If you are unsure about the DUP attitude go back to the interview with Nelson McCausland a while back, when asked about how much Brexit would cost he replied he didn't care this was principle not economics


Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

Yes, the last time we one side were in full control over here was from 1922 to 1972 and we all know how that ended

Fixed that for you.

keep her low this half

Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 03, 2018, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: keep her low this half on October 03, 2018, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

May would have signed the deal last December putting the border in the Irish Sea and the North remaining in the customs union as she was all set to do until Arlene threw the toys out of the pram. The North would have become very attractive to business as it could have exported tariff free to Europe and the UK at the same time. And possibly, just possibly the north may have begun to pay its own way

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Yes they should but hardliners would rather eat grass than see the other lot win, this is particularly easy when you are on a £50,000 per year MLA salary or £70,000 per year MP salary


Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

The DUP certainly are, most sensible people are worried about the impact on jobs, livelihoods etc. If you are unsure about the DUP attitude go back to the interview with Nelson McCausland a while back, when asked about how much Brexit would cost he replied he didn't care this was principle not economics


Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

Yes, the last time we one side were in full control over here was from 1922 to 1972 and we all know how that ended

Fixed that for you.
Fair point, good editing

trailer

Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

The DUP say they don't want any border either between Newry and Dundalk or Belfast and Liverpool. Now the problem is they've no solution on how to avoid a border and leave the EU at the same time.

The Trap

Thanks keep her low. I agree with your answers. That being the case why are we all sitting on our hands letting the DUP do this. Should we not be on the streets marching for the option they were going for last December?

Farrandeelin

Quote from: trailer on October 03, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

The DUP say they don't want any border either between Newry and Dundalk or Belfast and Liverpool. Now the problem is they've no solution on how to avoid a border and leave the EU at the same time.

Maybe they don't mean whst they say re the Dundslk/Newry one.
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seafoid

Quote from: trailer on October 03, 2018, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 03, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
Could someone answer these questions for me please?

If the DUP did not have this arrangement with the Tories what deal would have been done and how would have that impacted the North?

Should Taigs and Prods not all want the same thing for the economic prosperity of the place? How can it be so different?

Are both sides really seeing this as an opportunity to either weaken or strengthen the union and to hell with everything else?

Is it the case that we are totally dependent on the EU/Irish Govn/British Govn to protect us from ourselves?

The DUP say they don't want any border either between Newry and Dundalk or Belfast and Liverpool. Now the problem is they've no solution on how to avoid a border and leave the EU at the same time.
They do not understand economics. Nobody in Brussels cares about what Arlene wants
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WT4E

The DUP really are a strange party.

Why is there no one in the party saying... I think we made a mistake advocating leave vote. You would think there would be a few who have this view. Either they are all deluded or all scared of speaking against the glorious leader.

Applesisapples

What nationalists don't understand about this DUP/Unionist mindset, (which does not apply to alll unionists) is that the Union with the Motherland comes before all else even bread on the table. Just look at the death of Portadown as an economic hub all because they wanted to walk a half a mile of tarmac. I personally can't fathom why. Nationalists in the North and perhaps in general given Irelands history have had to be pragmatic and accept their gains in small increments. DUP/Unionists see every small change as a loss to them. As Mo Mowlam once said Unionists can't read between the line. In other words everything is viewed in the absolutism of the planter under siege.

imtommygunn

That is bang on applesisapples and this brexit nonsense is illustrating your point.

Union over money. The ones doing the campaigning won't be out of pocket mind. Just their followers.

johnnycool

Quote from: Applesisapples on October 04, 2018, 12:00:58 PM
What nationalists don't understand about this DUP/Unionist mindset, (which does not apply to alll unionists) is that the Union with the Motherland comes before all else even bread on the table. Just look at the death of Portadown as an economic hub all because they wanted to walk a half a mile of tarmac. I personally can't fathom why. Nationalists in the North and perhaps in general given Irelands history have had to be pragmatic and accept their gains in small increments. DUP/Unionists see every small change as a loss to them. As Mo Mowlam once said Unionists can't read between the line. In other words everything is viewed in the absolutism of the planter under siege.

Nigel is running the party in all but name.

What I don't get is why Business men and women of a unionist persuasion aren't up in arms over this as surely they're not buying the "great opportunities await" line peddled by Jim Allister and Co post Brexit..
Maybe don't want the Lundy tag bestowed upon them.

armaghniac

Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2018, 12:55:13 PM
Nigel is running the party in all but name.

What I don't get is why Business men and women of a unionist persuasion aren't up in arms over this as surely they're not buying the "great opportunities await" line peddled by Jim Allister and Co post Brexit..
Maybe don't want the Lundy tag bestowed upon them.

Business people haven't really managed much influence over the Tories either.
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mouview

Good old argument on Nolan last night where the other 2 (Alliance and Labour peer) ganged up on Jim of the DUP, who could only mouth platitudes about leaving on British terms. Fat Steve didn't spare him either.