Paddy Jackson apology

[Never beat the deeler]

Happy that these English clubs are being held to account. If they're toxic in Ireland why wouldn't they be in the same country they were tried?

You're toxic. They sent and received a few dodgy messages. Big deal, they should be allowed to apologise and move on the way adults do in the real world.

Most people believe they gang-raped a girl. And even if you don't, if you think their behaviour was morally good or something any sponsor or family-orientated club would want to associate itself with you are, in a word, wrong.

Evidence of your first sentence please Syf.

#ibelieveher on Twitter.

Aye, the 620 tweets

[trailer]

Being accused of rape or theft are two things you'll not shake to handy as Jackson and Olding are finding out.

[StGallsGAA]

They were found not guilty of rape but there's no doubt 2 International Irish Rugby players in their 20's degraded a drunk teenager and ruined her name for their own perverse sexual pleasure. The WA group names and texts suggest they did this sort of thing on a regular basis. Shameful.

[trileacman]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

[StGallsGAA]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

[Milltown Row2]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

[StGallsGAA]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

[nrico2006]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

[StGallsGAA]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

No they weren't around the same age and she was drunk. Where you come from is it fine to double and treble up on drunk teenagers then?

[nrico2006]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

No they weren't around the same age and she was drunk. Where you come from is it fine to double and treble up on drunk teenagers then?

They were all drunk, not as if they were sober and got her drunk. What is your definition of around the same age? Olding was around 22 and Jackson 23/24. The girl was 19. No big difference.

[StGallsGAA]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

No they weren't around the same age and she was drunk. Where you come from is it fine to double and treble up on drunk teenagers then?

They were all drunk, not as if they were sober and got her drunk. What is your definition of around the same age? Olding was around 22 and Jackson 23/24. The girl was 19. No big difference.

You obviously do not have daughters. They did this sort of stuff regularly according to their WA group including spit roasting another girl the night before. WTF is wrong that they  can't go out and get a shag without sending girls home feeling degraded?  Do you really think the "willing participants" to these regular  threesomes woke up the next morning punching the air saying 'result, I got spit-roasted!!'

[nrico2006]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

No they weren't around the same age and she was drunk. Where you come from is it fine to double and treble up on drunk teenagers then?

They were all drunk, not as if they were sober and got her drunk. What is your definition of around the same age? Olding was around 22 and Jackson 23/24. The girl was 19. No big difference.

You obviously do not have daughters. They did this sort of stuff regularly according to their WA group including spit roasting another girl the night before. WTF is wrong that they  can't go out and get a shag without sending girls home feeling degraded?  Do you really think the "willing participants" to these regular  threesomes woke up the next morning punching the air saying 'result, I got spit-roasted!!'

God knows. Most girls who participate are obviously dping it for enjoyment. Not my cup of tea though.

[Lar Naparka]

If we can hate Jackson and Olding for being dicks to women can we also unite in our hatred of Patrick Reed because he's a w**ker to his folks.

I don't hate either of them and they may well be decent lads in other ways, but nor do I have any sympathy that their careers are stalling as a result.  They brought it on themselves.  It doesn't appear to have been a spur of the moment/ out of character thing fuelled by drink.  It seems from the texts that this type of behaviour took place fairly regularly and was perhaps even planned.  It was going to get exposed at some point given their profiles.

All probably a result of too much money, too much time on their hands and too much porn.

You're making out that having sex on a regular bases and telling your mates is a crime! Wise up

I'm not but 2-3 grown men setting up a drunken teenager for group sex with them is morally reprehensible, whether it's legal or not.

They were all around the same age and they hardly set her up. She was a willing participant.

No they weren't around the same age and she was drunk. Where you come from is it fine to double and treble up on drunk teenagers then?

They were all drunk, not as if they were sober and got her drunk. What is your definition of around the same age? Olding was around 22 and Jackson 23/24. The girl was 19. No big difference.

You obviously do not have daughters. They did this sort of stuff regularly according to their WA group including spit roasting another girl the night before. WTF is wrong that they  can't go out and get a shag without sending girls home feeling degraded?  Do you really think the "willing participants" to these regular  threesomes woke up the next morning punching the air saying 'result, I got spit-roasted!!'

God knows. Most girls who participate are obviously dping it for enjoyment. Not my cup of tea though.

I dunno and neither does anyone else who wasn't a participant in the spit roasting. But I am fairly sure that the three boyos believed they were parting on good terms with the girl in question. Otherwise, i couldn't see them boasting about their prowess the night before when they started ringing around.
If they were worried about possible consequences arising from what happened in Jackson's bedroom, the first thought wouldn't be to broadcast what they got up to. The more I think about it, the more certain I am that they were all taken by surprise when the police rounded them up.
That's not to say the complainant was not raped but the three in the room with her were certain that what went on was consensual. 

[Dougal Maguire]

You've got it spot on there Lar. That's exactly how I see it. All that coupled with the invitation to the girl who wandered onto the room to join in suggestes they didn't think they were doing anything wrong. In fact the fact they boasted about it next day would suggest that it wasn't a regular occurrence

[seafoid]

The main difference between porn and real life is what the woman brings to a situation. While spit roasting when pissed may have been the height of pleasure for the lads it wouldnt be guaranteed to hit the spot for every woman, especially if she feels objectified.

If they had done a few spit roasts before, their fame may have carried them over the line, covering over the risks. But some women might not be satisfied with just the fame and the ride. They might expect something more. And the lads had 17 pints and weren't set up for nuance.

There is a lot more to sex than the act.

And the lads were very unlucky with their timing too.  #MeToo took off recently. Power/Fame and impunity are not particularly fashionable .

As some comedian used to say on RTE years ago, it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.