Paddy Jackson apology

[AQMP]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/13/rugby-misogynists-public-support

Good article that.

One thing it does suggest to me is that if Jackson and Olding are offered a game in England, this case will follow them.

the mob would follow

Or maybe it would be more accurate to say they're already waiting!

[Syferus]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/13/rugby-misogynists-public-support

Good article that.

One thing it does suggest to me is that if Jackson and Olding are offered a game in England, this case will follow them.

the mob would follow

Or maybe it would be more accurate to say they're already waiting!

It seems like any dissent from a verdict that neither proclaims the defendants' innocence and is the product of a system that produces a minuscule amount of convictions for rape versus actual rapes committed is a 'mob' in some peoples' eyes.

I think the sad fact that people like MR2 don't realise is that is is people like him that are the mob in this equation and not those getting off their arses and trying to change the system and the perception of rape victims.

[Asal Mor]

Holding a certain opinion doesn't make someone part of a mob. Trying to run people who haven't been convicted of anything out of their job and ruin their reputation does. Hounding the likes of PJ, George Hook, Rory Best, Donal Og as these groups consistently have, does nothing to change the system and only alienates people from their cause.

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/13/rugby-misogynists-public-support

Good article that.

One thing it does suggest to me is that if Jackson and Olding are offered a game in England, this case will follow them.

the mob would follow

Or maybe it would be more accurate to say they're already waiting!

It seems like any dissent from a verdict that neither proclaims the defendants' innocence and is the product of a system that produces a minuscule amount of convictions for rape versus actual rapes committed is a 'mob' in some peoples' eyes.

I think the sad fact that people like MR2 don't realise is that is is people like him that are the mob in this equation and not those getting off their arses and trying to change the system and the perception of rape victims.

I dont have to get off my arse on this one, plenty people out their trying to change the world as they see fit.. what i do see is plenty of fireside lawyers making up their own judgement on things that they know nothing about (in reality) I'll take my advice from someone who has a degree in law, not some bogman from the west of Ireland.

Still waiting on your qualifications BTW

[AQMP]

Holding a certain opinion doesn't make someone part of a mob. Trying to run people who haven't been convicted of anything out of their job and ruin their reputation does. Hounding the likes of PJ, George Hook, Rory Best, Donal Og as these groups consistently have, does nothing to change the system and only alienates people from their cause.

"I believe her" is an opinion - whether you agree with it or not. 

Just because they've been found not guilty doesn't mean their reputation is intact.  The point now is that it isn't.  The opinion "They're guilty of being scumbags/arseholes/pricks but that's not a crime" is fairly current.  That's what Ulster Rugby and the IRFU have to deal with.  Actually in PR terms the focus is slowly moving on to Ulster Rugby, but I'm sure UR is well aware of that.

What the "let the lads play" EggChasingNazis/mob don't take into account is that in business/sponsorship terms "Paddy Jackson" is a damaged brand and that can't be allowed to reflect onto UR, Bank of Ireland, Kingspan etc.  It's now by how much the morality affects the money that will determine his future.

[Asal Mor]

Well put and I accept all of that. They're entitled to their opinion but actively trying to stop him getting on with life by taking out ads in papers and signing online petitions are the actions of a mob. They're entitled to believe her but they don't know for sure either that she's telling the truth and a court found him not guilty so he should be allowed to get on with his life as best he can.  The stain will always be there and he has lost a huge amount already in every way. If the i believe her crew focused their efforts on changing the system to improve it for alleged victims, it would be impossible to be sceptical of their motives but they are coming across as vindictive vigilantes.

[seafoid]

Well put and I accept all of that. They're entitled to their opinion but actively trying to stop him getting on with life by taking out ads in papers and signing online petitions are the actions of a mob. They're entitled to believe her but they don't know for sure either that she's telling the truth and a court found him not guilty so he should be allowed to get on with his life as best he can.  The stain will always be there and he has lost a huge amount already in every way. If the i believe her crew focused their efforts on changing the system to improve it for alleged victims, it would be impossible to be sceptical of their motives but they are coming across as vindictive vigilantes.

A bit of Shakespeare

After Cassio gets into a drunken brawl and loses his position as Othello's officer, he worries about the loss of his "reputation," which is tied up in his military service and his public behavior. Cassio feels that, without his "reputation" as an upstanding soldier, he's nothing more than a "beast."



CASSIO
Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have 
lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of
myself, and what remains is bestial. My reputation,
Iago, my reputation! (2.3.281-284)

[thebuzz]

Well put and I accept all of that. They're entitled to their opinion but actively trying to stop him getting on with life by taking out ads in papers and signing online petitions are the actions of a mob. They're entitled to believe her but they don't know for sure either that she's telling the truth and a court found him not guilty so he should be allowed to get on with his life as best he can.  The stain will always be there and he has lost a huge amount already in every way. If the i believe her crew focused their efforts on changing the system to improve it for alleged victims, it would be impossible to be sceptical of their motives but they are coming across as vindictive vigilantes.

Also well put.

[AQMP]

Well put and I accept all of that. They're entitled to their opinion but actively trying to stop him getting on with life by taking out ads in papers and signing online petitions are the actions of a mob. They're entitled to believe her but they don't know for sure either that she's telling the truth and a court found him not guilty so he should be allowed to get on with his life as best he can.  The stain will always be there and he has lost a huge amount already in every way. If the i believe her crew focused their efforts on changing the system to improve it for alleged victims, it would be impossible to be sceptical of their motives but they are coming across as vindictive vigilantes.

What we seem to have are two opposing mobs...never a good recipe!

[Asal Mor]

Well put and I accept all of that. They're entitled to their opinion but actively trying to stop him getting on with life by taking out ads in papers and signing online petitions are the actions of a mob. They're entitled to believe her but they don't know for sure either that she's telling the truth and a court found him not guilty so he should be allowed to get on with his life as best he can.  The stain will always be there and he has lost a huge amount already in every way. If the i believe her crew focused their efforts on changing the system to improve it for alleged victims, it would be impossible to be sceptical of their motives but they are coming across as vindictive vigilantes.

Also well put.

Thanks buzz.

Seafoid I love that quote(first time I'd heard it - i did Macbeth) and Id like to reply with some Shakespeare of my own but sadly those 4 or 5 quotations I had memorised for my Leaving Cert English seem to have been deleted.
I'll be as unoriginal as possible and quote JC to sum up my feelings. Not the great Joe Canning but the pretender who came before him.
"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone"
I wonder if people who sign online petitions and take out ads in newspapers calling for someone to be sacked reflect on their own worst deeds and private messages before they do so and how they'd be judged if those deeds and messages were public knowledge.

[AQMP]

Macbeth Act 1 Scene 1

Witch Harrison: "When shall we three four meet again, in thunder, lightning or in Soul Food?"

[Asal Mor]

Macbeth Act 1 Scene 1

Witch Harrison: "When shall we three four meet again, in thunder, lightning or in Soul Food?"

Excellent.

[seafoid]

This case touched a chord all over Ireland and it seems amongst  UK feminists too. Big questions over the running of rape cases and sexual relations and the values of young soi disant legends.

Casting the firet stone is off the ball because Ulster matches are going to be targeted regardless. Political issues need momen tum and this one has plenty of it.
Social media mobs need a victim too. PJ should have perhaps played it differently post verdict. Maybe it's a Greek tragedy too.
This is senior hurling.

[Milltown Row2]

Holding a certain opinion doesn't make someone part of a mob. Trying to run people who haven't been convicted of anything out of their job and ruin their reputation does. Hounding the likes of PJ, George Hook, Rory Best, Donal Og as these groups consistently have, does nothing to change the system and only alienates people from their cause.

"I believe her" is an opinion - whether you agree with it or not. 

Just because they've been found not guilty doesn't mean their reputation is intact.  The point now is that it isn't.  The opinion "They're guilty of being scumbags/arseholes/pricks but that's not a crime" is fairly current.  That's what Ulster Rugby and the IRFU have to deal with.  Actually in PR terms the focus is slowly moving on to Ulster Rugby, but I'm sure UR is well aware of that.

What the "let the lads play" EggChasingNazis/mob don't take into account is that in business/sponsorship terms "Paddy Jackson" is a damaged brand and that can't be allowed to reflect onto UR, Bank of Ireland, Kingspan etc.  It's now by how much the morality affects the money that will determine his future.

I'd be questioning the Bank of Ireland on their use of words in their statement, morals and values I think they put in their statement, I'm sure a large group of ex home owners would have a different view on their take of morals and values!

As for messages on phones and porn being sent via gifs and videos that's happening at an alarming rate. Never like this in my day but it's there.. so if the bank or Kingspan have an issue with it then they should audit their own employees to gather a better understanding of it

[imtommygunn]

It's about brand and public eye. What their employees are doing outside their work has got nothing to do with anything. If employee joe bloggs 1 sent a porno to employee joe bloggs 2 then what do we know about it.