Brexit.

[bennydorano]

Interesting discussion there on Newsnight Election coverage with Steve Baker (Deputy Chair of ERG) stating that on the brink of a no deal scenario the UK & EU can implement a stand still on trading arrangements for up to 10 years! Essentially preserving the Status Quo until a FTA is agreed. It creates a 100 spin off questions but interesting nonetheless.

[Sportacus]

Looking down the road, if there was a border poll in favour of a UI, would a pro-Union UK Parliament stall the outcome, just like now with Brexit.
Are dangerous precedents being set?

[armaghniac]

The Westminster Parliament might be pro the Scottish Union, I doubt they would hold things up in NI much. However, the parliament elected by British people can reasonably have a view on policies. Failing to decolonise would be something else.

[Ronnie]

While the BXP won a clear plurality in the EU elections in Britain, their 31.7% share of the vote in the end will be a bit disappointing for them I'd say as this time last week opinion polling had them at close to 40%. The BXP basically swallowed most of UKIP's 2014 vote plus a significant share of the Tory vote that just collapsed this time and with those results it's not exactly a ringing mandate for a no deal Brexit. The Liberal Democrats seem to have been largely forgiven for their sins between 2010 & 2015 while the Greens also enjoyed a notable increase. With Labour falling to fifth place, Corbyn needs to be told to sh*t or get off the pot concerning a firm stance on Brexit otherwise there's going to be bigger trouble in their party than there already is.

This is all true.

"There's no majority for anything" has been used for a year now and is untrue.  Polls have constantly shown the "Just get on with it" policy has a substantial majority.  This is not the "Status quo policy" favoured by the Conservatives and Labour.  BXP prefer a 2nd vote to the bad deal already agreed.  Is there any Conservative leader that could get TM's WA + whatever political declaration they dress up through the HP?   Possibly.  Majority of English do not want to another bloody vote.

Still interesting times.

[Ronnie]

Interesting discussion there on Newsnight Election coverage with Steve Baker (Deputy Chair of ERG) stating that on the brink of a no deal scenario the UK & EU can implement a stand still on trading arrangements for up to 10 years! Essentially preserving the Status Quo until a FTA is agreed. It creates a 100 spin off questions but interesting nonetheless.

Never listen to Steve Baker.

[bennydorano]

Not sure but it didn't sound like it was a WTO related point he was making. Even if it is true, it doesn't remove the backstop issue and the UK would presumably still be bound in a customs union in such a possible scenario which is unacceptable to the Tories.  It would also require a lot of good will on both sides, that ship has long sailed.

[Ronnie]

Not sure but it didn't sound like it was a WTO related point he was making. Even if it is true, it doesn't remove the backstop issue and the UK would presumably still be bound in a customs union in such a possible scenario which is unacceptable to the Tories.  It would also require a lot of good will on both sides, that ship has long sailed.

Aye no goodwill anywhere but there is still the proposed NI-only Customs Union Referendum as proposed by some MP.   I've always thought that was the best escape route for UK.   Still I advise:   If you're ever listening to the radio or watching TV and Steve Baker starts speaking, change station.

[Milltown Row2]

Was Jim Wells correct there in saying based on the EU parliament results then we'd get the same result from a second referendum?

[omaghjoe]

Was Jim Wells correct there in saying based on the EU parliament results then we'd get the same result from a second referendum?

Do you really need to ask?

First minute or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5UtZ6uzuY

Prehaps hes disingenuously making the assumption that every single voter for Labour and Tories are for leaving....which plainly isnt true

[Milltown Row2]

Was Jim Wells correct there in saying based on the EU parliament results then we'd get the same result from a second referendum?

Do you really need to ask?

First minute or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5UtZ6uzuY

Prehaps hes disingenuously making the assumption that every single voter for Labour and Tories are for leaving....which plainly isnt true

He wasn't pulled on that comment which is very rare for Nolan to miss a trick/opportunity to pull him up.

[omaghjoe]

Being realistic  if there was one tomorrow the likelihood would be that Remain would win by around 5-10 points

But the Brexiteers would be goin nowhere for the next few election cycles and could easily become a majority again.

[Ronnie]

The terms 'Brexiteer' and 'Remainer' need redefined in current context.  E.g. can anyone name a Remainer in the Conservative Party leadership contest?

[bennydorano]

Well Hunt, The Saj and Stewart all voted Remain (prob along with  some others) and they'd soon be reminded of the fact if they succeed in becoming Leader  & Brexit continues to frustrate - which is a certainty.

[Ronnie]

Well Hunt, The Saj and Stewart all voted Remain (prob along with  some others) and they'd soon be reminded of the fact if they succeed in becoming Leader  & Brexit continues to frustrate - which is a certainty.

True.

Conservatives as led by May and Labour as led by Corbyn were both elected on manifestos promising to 'deliver Brexit', therefore, all else being equal and with the land as it stands (and presuming it will continue to stand), the UK wants to leave the EU.

[trailer]

Being realistic  if there was one tomorrow the likelihood would be that Remain would win by around 5-10 points

But the Brexiteers would be goin nowhere for the next few election cycles and could easily become a majority again.

You think? I'd say if it was rerun it would be very, very, very close and would not be surprised if Leave won again.