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« Reply #1425 on: April 21, 2017, 11:16:16 AM »
Because the Westminster Parliament requires an oath to a head of state who cannot be of a particular religion ( Catholic). Sectarian law (Act of Settlement) which underpins the "constitution" of the United Kingdom. No party has ever brought a realistic proposal to amend this. Abstention should be highlighting this abomination.

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« Reply #1426 on: April 21, 2017, 11:31:33 AM »
Forgot about that ...cheers. No doubt the media would make much of any SF MP taking it (even though most would know they'd keep their fingers crossed throughout  :))

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« Reply #1427 on: April 21, 2017, 11:58:56 AM »
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/letters/unionism-has-made-no-effort-to-bring-catholics-into-the-fold-or-convince-them-to-back-the-uk-35639350.html

Attention all slow learners.Read this and learn who abandoned Northern Nationalists,who has never sought to end this abandonment and further explain why you place your trust in such people going forward?

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« Reply #1428 on: April 21, 2017, 12:06:36 PM »
I see HRH Prince Charles is to be (no doubt) feted and fawned over in Kilkenny this week as well.

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« Reply #1429 on: April 21, 2017, 12:07:59 PM »
Because the Westminster Parliament requires an oath to a head of state who cannot be of a particular religion ( Catholic). Sectarian law (Act of Settlement) which underpins the "constitution" of the United Kingdom. No party has ever brought a realistic proposal to amend this. Abstention should be highlighting this abomination.
There are 72 catholic MPs.
Last of the choc-ices there now

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« Reply #1430 on: April 21, 2017, 12:32:06 PM »
Because the Westminster Parliament requires an oath to a head of state who cannot be of a particular religion ( Catholic). Sectarian law (Act of Settlement) which underpins the "constitution" of the United Kingdom. No party has ever brought a realistic proposal to amend this. Abstention should be highlighting this abomination.

The oath is:

"I, Gerry Adams, do swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."

Tony Benn used to say "As a committed republican..." then the oath"  In 1997 he prefaced the oath with "As a committed republican, under protest, I swear...etc"

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« Reply #1431 on: April 21, 2017, 01:37:39 PM »
I see HRH Prince Charles is to be (no doubt) feted and fawned over in Kilkenny this week as well.
Only fawning I see us you sticking 3 capital letters and a feudal "title" before his name :P
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« Reply #1432 on: April 21, 2017, 02:10:34 PM »
There are over 500 English MPs  in Westminister so it doesn't matter a damn who from the North (or Scotland/Wales) take or dont taketheir seats.
if there is a hung parliament it does.
The SF position doesn't make sense now. The net result of their foostering is that NI is in limbo.


It makes no difference to the position of sending Irish men and women to London to rule Ireland. In a practical sense it still makes no difference either.

As for NI being in Limbo? This is the result of it's place within the union and nothing else.

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« Reply #1433 on: April 21, 2017, 02:51:33 PM »
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/letters/unionism-has-made-no-effort-to-bring-catholics-into-the-fold-or-convince-them-to-back-the-uk-35639350.html

Attention all slow learners.Read this and learn who abandoned Northern Nationalists,who has never sought to end this abandonment and further explain why you place your trust in such people going forward?

Were you using a pseudonym? You should have capitalised the names.
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Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« Reply #1434 on: April 21, 2017, 02:59:37 PM »
There are over 500 English MPs  in Westminister so it doesn't matter a damn who from the North (or Scotland/Wales) take or dont taketheir seats.
if there is a hung parliament it does.
The SF position doesn't make sense now. The net result of their foostering is that NI is in limbo.

There are 56 (or technically 54) SNP MPs.  What influence have they had??  I can't see four or five SF MPs attending Westminster making a button of difference and it would be a vote loser too.

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« Reply #1435 on: April 21, 2017, 03:14:19 PM »
There are over 500 English MPs  in Westminister so it doesn't matter a damn who from the North (or Scotland/Wales) take or dont taketheir seats.
if there is a hung parliament it does.
The SF position doesn't make sense now. The net result of their foostering is that NI is in limbo.

There are 56 (or technically 54) SNP MPs.  What influence have they had??  I can't see four or five SF MPs attending Westminster making a button of difference and it would be a vote loser too.
Say this election results in the Tories plus DUP being 2 seats ahead of everyone else. An everyone else government could bring in a language act under Direct Rule. But the Tories would be in charge .
Last of the choc-ices there now

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« Reply #1436 on: April 23, 2017, 11:24:33 AM »
UUP have stated they won't stand in Foyle, North Belfast and West Belfast.

This signals to DUP that they won't do anything to affect their de facto leader, Dodds, and will want a similar arrangement in other seats especially to protect Kinahan in South Antrim and Elliot in FST.

Interesting that they are pointing out they could run Nesbitt in South Belfast and Kennedy in Upper Bann.

There is a need for an agreed anti-Brexit candidate in North Belfast to defeat Dodds which would be a significant blow to the DUP.  No established SF or SDLP candidate would be enough to draw in the Alliance vote needed to win from Dodds.

North Belfast election results 2017
61.8%

DUP   13,309   
UUP   2,418   
PUP   2,053   17,780

AP   3,487 
 
SF   12,204   
SDLP   5,431   
PBP   1,559   
GP   711   
WP   248        20,153

IND   66   


North Belfast General Election results

2015   
59.20%

DUP   19,096
SF   13,770
SDLP   3,338
APNI   2,941
WP   919
IND   529   
   
2010   
56.50%

DUP   14,812
SF   12,588
SDLP   4,544
UCU-NF   2,837
APNI   1,809
IND   403
   
2005   
57.80%

DUP   13,935
SF   8,747
SDLP   4,950
UUP   2,154
APNI   438
WP   165
IND   151
   
2001   
67.20%

DUP   16,718
SF   10,331
SDLP   8,592
UUP   4,904
WP   253
IND   134
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Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« Reply #1437 on: April 24, 2017, 06:52:20 PM »
Now we know.  Lucky that RHI became an issue to pull down the Assembly when it was never an issue for the previous year.

It looks like the pulling down of the Assembly was in part due to the inability of the ministers to agree and implement a balanced budget for 2017-18. It appears that it is better to let the British and/or the civil servants to make the unpalatable cuts to key areas hence prevarication about ILA, etc until the budget is set and implemented by civil servants and confirmed by UK government. 

Without an Executive the UK parliament will set the budget and the civil servants have been given permission to go ahead with their planned budget for 2017-18.

Education cut by 2.5%
Infrastructure cut by 1.6%
Justice down by 2%
Agriculture down by 3.7%
Economy down by 3%

Communities up by 9% to pay for welfare payment mitigation decided by Assembly
Health up by 3% (5% inflation in this sector means a cut)
Finance up by 2.9%

The number of jobs to be cut in Education will be highly significant as they are on top of major increases in employers' national insurance and pension contributions.  When inflation is added to 2.5% cash cut then it rises to close to 7%.

How will agriculture deal with such a major cut with Brexit around the corner?

At least A5, A6 and Belfast Transport Hub will continue.

Watch how Brokenshire gets the blame and then it is passed on the civil servants.  There was a fixed amount of funding and the cake has just been sliced and handed out by them.


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Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« Reply #1438 on: April 24, 2017, 09:35:58 PM »
UUP have stated they won't stand in Foyle, North Belfast and West Belfast.

This signals to DUP that they won't do anything to affect their de facto leader, Dodds, and will want a similar arrangement in other seats especially to protect Kinahan in South Antrim and Elliot in FST.

Interesting that they are pointing out they could run Nesbitt in South Belfast and Kennedy in Upper Bann.

There is a need for an agreed anti-Brexit candidate in North Belfast to defeat Dodds which would be a significant blow to the DUP.  No established SF or SDLP candidate would be enough to draw in the Alliance vote needed to win from Dodds.

North Belfast election results 2017
61.8%

DUP   13,309   
UUP   2,418   
PUP   2,053   17,780

AP   3,487 
 
SF   12,204   
SDLP   5,431   
PBP   1,559   
GP   711   
WP   248        20,153

IND   66   


North Belfast General Election results

2015   
59.20%

DUP   19,096
SF   13,770
SDLP   3,338
APNI   2,941
WP   919
IND   529   
   
2010   
56.50%

DUP   14,812
SF   12,588
SDLP   4,544
UCU-NF   2,837
APNI   1,809
IND   403
   
2005   
57.80%

DUP   13,935
SF   8,747
SDLP   4,950
UUP   2,154
APNI   438
WP   165
IND   151
   
2001   
67.20%

DUP   16,718
SF   10,331
SDLP   8,592
UUP   4,904
WP   253
IND   134


Apparently SF might not be running in one of these constituencies either.. Also heard that majority of UUP's candidates are liberal unionists.  Strong possibility that they might return an equal number to DUP.  Apparently SF are not that interested in the Westminster/Brexit tester and that Brokenshire's refusal to call a second Stormont election is going to be challenged.

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Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« Reply #1439 on: April 25, 2017, 09:50:23 AM »
Looks like the UUP have been sold a pup by the DUP on a pact.  The DUP fancy their chances in South Belfast with or without the UUP and are also confident they can beat Kinahan in South Antrim.  Lesson for the SDLP??  SF are going to hold their 4 seats with a possibility of winning back F&ST.  What is the benefit to SF of a pact??