Stormont Assembly Elections 2017

[Farrandeelin]

Any other opinion polls? Apart from Tony's opinions on religious teaching?

[armaghniac]

SluggeroToole Discussion
This is a result of a simulation of transfers.



another guy has looked at this looking at interactions, i.e. if both DUP and UU are 0.8 if one gets it the other is much less likely to so.
on this basis
27 DUP (Max 28, Min 25)
22 SF (Max 26, Min 20)
16 UUP (Max 17, Min 14)
10 SDLP (Max 11, Min 7)
8 Alliance (Max 10 Min
3 PBPA (Max 3, Min 3)
2 Green (Max 2, Min 2)
1 Ind U (Max 1, Min 0)

[seafoid]

I think you will find that it is the core doctrine of all Christian churches that hell awaits those who sin seriously and repeatedly without repentance.On a lot of issues there is no scope for freewill,it is black and white

Protestants don't agree with Catholic doctrine and the Pope is infallible. How can Protestants go to heaven?

[heganboy]

Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

none of the 6 left will vote at all

[heganboy]

Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.

and by the way, to which scripture do you adhere, and how's your Aramaic?

And despite your whack job selective absolutism you will of course be aware that your new pope gave all priests the right to forgiveness for abortion in the sacrament of penance and the remittance of the penalty of excommunication.

Thats not even touching the delayed animation concept, where the church believed that a should din't inhabit a fetus immediately (with the spectacular bias justifiable by only those who believe God makes them special, that's 40 days for a male fetus and 90 for the female in case you cared)  and so early term abortions were a whole other kettle of fish.

[seafoid]

Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.

Is this why the Holocaust happened? A lot of Orthodox Jews think so.

[johnneycool]

Was at Mass tonight in Lurgan,and tracts were handed out to all attendees inside the chapel outlining each political  party's policy on abortion and urging people to vote for avid pro life parties like the DUP and TUV.

Mass on a Saturday night, what modernist deviation this is from the lords holy book and doctrine?

Devout Catholics always go to mass on the Sunday as it is Gods will.

[Seany]

Here is the latest in the weird and wonderful world of six county politics.
SF pulled down the gov because of alleged corruption.  All they had been asking for is for Arlene Foster to stand aside for four weeks.  The UUP said SF were soft because, they were asking for her resignation.  So now we have an election.

This is where the SDLP come in.  In an attempt to stop SF, they and the UUP have been costing up to each other.  COlm Eastwood spoke at their conference.  ANd they have been bigging up all the wondrous things they would do if they got into the executive, so apparently it would make sense for them to be in together.  Until you factor in the following;

SDLP and UUP disagree on the exact same things a as SF DUP disagreed on.
Irish Language Act
Legacy issues
Brexit
Welfare reform
Education SDLP anto selection, UUP pro selection
Even the new A6 Road, UUP against it because it is a fenian road and SDLP for it.

Add in to this the fact that at Westminster elections, the unionists close ranks like an orange lodge to stop themmuns getting in (it took a TUV, DUP, UUP pact to keep Naomi Long of ALLIANCE out of Westminster because she stood up to the bully boys of the flag protests)
They also had pacts in Femanagh south Tyrone, Newry and Armagh and North Belfast to stop nationalists getting in. They will always come together like this for Westminster elections, just in case a Catholic might get in.

Now Danny Kennedy has issued a statement disagreeing with Mike Nesbitt regarding transfers.  Nesbitt only said that he himself would transfer to an SDLP candidate but didn't ask anyone else to do so.  Kennedy said he wanted his voters to transfer to WIlliam Irwin, a DUP man with family links to RHI.

And the SDLP refuse to get into a Westminster pact with SF to oppose this sheer bigotry.

It's not as if the SDLP have a strong hand to play. Margaret Ritchie gets in in South Down because Unionists vote for her to keep the SF person out, so she spouts pro unionist nonsense whenever she can. The Derry seat will probably go to SF when Mark Durkan goes. SOuth Belfast is going anyway at the next election. Alastair got in by the skin of his teeth with the lowest vote of any MP, just over 9000.

However, the net result of the SDLP 'principled stand' is Tom ELliot in Fermanagh south Tyrone and Nigel Dodds in north Belfast.  There is also a nationalist majority in Upper Bann. 

The SDLP really take me to the fair. If they listened for one moment to the nationalist electorate, they would hear loud and clear what they want and dont want. We dont want bigots getting in when we can stop it. You would imagine that this latest kick in the teeth from unionism would make them wake up and see reality, but no. Their campaign is all about anti SF, and not calling out unionism for what it is. There is nothing sectarian about two parties who wish to see a united Ireland working together for the betterment of its electorate. For some reason they think there is.

Meanwhile, the unionists will mind each other, look out for each other and nationalism will continue to stay at home.

[johnneycool]

Hunniford from Alliance putting his foot in it and upsetting the Unionists;

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/alliance-official-steps-down-amid-fury-at-unionists-bred-to-hate-catholics-comment-35444963.html

[Rossfan]

All he had to do was put "many" before Unionists. ...

[armaghniac]

Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

[ziggysego]

Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?

[dec]

Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?

Yes

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?

Its 52% of nationalists in WT vote and  65% of unionists vote showing the general apathy of nationalists right across northern ireland

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Jordy mcKeag official LAD/notorious barrick boys candidate east belfast vote early vote often