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Title: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: give her dixie on January 13, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Since it's looking like an election in early March, I think a seperate thread on the upcoming election is worth starting.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 13, 2017, 12:41:37 PM
Stormont is very norn irn

The benches in Westminster are green but that was unacceptable for use at Stormont. According to wikipedia:

The painting The Entry of King William into Ireland, a gift from the Dutch government to its Northern Ireland counterpart, was hung in the House of Commons when it opened. However, it was removed after having been defaced by a Scottish preacher, who had travelled from Scotland for that express purpose. The reason for his anger was that the painting also showed the Pope, who had blessed William's enterprise.

The building itself changed little over the years, even as the parliaments meeting inside it did. To camouflage it during World War II, the building's Portland stone was painted with supposedly removable "paint" made of bitumen and cow manure. However, after the war, removing the paint proved an enormous difficulty, with the paint having scarred the stonework. It took seven years to remove the "paint", and the exterior façade has never regained its original white colour. While most traces of it were removed from the façades (though having done damage that can be seen up close), some of the remains of the paint survive in the inner courtyards and unseen parts of the place.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 16, 2017, 02:11:07 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on January 16, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Stormont is very norn irn

The benches in Westminster are green but that was unacceptable for use at Stormont. According to wikipedia:

The painting The Entry of King William into Ireland, a gift from the Dutch government to its Northern Ireland counterpart, was hung in the House of Commons when it opened. However, it was removed after having been defaced by a Scottish preacher, who had travelled from Scotland for that express purpose. The reason for his anger was that the painting also showed the Pope, who had blessed William's enterprise.

The building itself changed little over the years, even as the parliaments meeting inside it did. To camouflage it during World War II, the building's Portland stone was painted with supposedly removable "paint" made of bitumen and cow manure. However, after the war, removing the paint proved an enormous difficulty, with the paint having scarred the stonework. It took seven years to remove the "paint", and the exterior façade has never regained its original white colour. While most traces of it were removed from the façades (though having done damage that can be seen up close), some of the remains of the paint survive in the inner courtyards and unseen parts of the place.

No shit.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: give her dixie on January 16, 2017, 02:16:12 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

Caitríona Ruane has also said she wont be standing in the upcoming election
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: heganboy on January 16, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

A lot of sitting MLAs won't be nominated because the number of seats is down from 6to 5 in each constituency.  I would assume that factors high in the decision to stand down by SF. Also relevant is the number of standing DUP MLAs saying they won't canvas.

Will the UUP make it a Brexit election? Or a DUP are crooked election. What have the SDLP other than a few decent MLAs to offer? And can they make any headway? SF constituency as strong as they believe?

Will voters turn out?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 16, 2017, 02:26:52 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

A lot of sitting MLAs won't be nominated because the number of seats is down from 6to 5 in each constituency.  I would assume that factors high in the decision to stand down by SF. Also relevant is the number of standing DUP MLAs saying they won't canvas.

Will the UUP make it a Brexit election? Or a DUP are crooked election. What have the SDLP other than a few decent MLAs to offer? And can they make any headway? SF constituency as strong as they believe?

Will voters turn out?

Having bust a gut to get two seats last time, there aren't two SF seats in a 5 seater.  I wonder if SDLP pick up enough transfers from SF could they nick a seat seat from UUP?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on January 16, 2017, 02:48:21 PM
This election could serve a useful purpose it is creates a majority of MLA's willing to vote for special treatment for NI to mitigate the consequences of Brexit. The British may not pay much heed, but an assembly that fails to ask is a waste of space. This would require one of the PBP loonies to lose to SF/SDLP and for Alliance to hold the centre seats, while the DUP lose a seat or two in the smaller assembly. This outcome seems perfectly possible.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2017, 02:49:15 PM
James Craig

April 1934, in response to George Leeke's question regarding Craig's Protestant Parliament:

The hon. Member must remember that in the South they boasted of a Catholic State. They still boast of Southern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State. It would be rather interesting for historians of the future to compare a Catholic State launched in the South with a Protestant State launched in the North and to see which gets on the better and prospers the more. It is most interesting for me at the moment to watch how they are progressing. I am doing my best always to top the bill and to be ahead of the South
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 16, 2017, 02:50:09 PM
This election could serve a useful purpose it is creates a majority of MLA's willing to vote for special treatment for NI to mitigate the consequences of Brexit. The British may not pay much heed, but an assembly that fails to ask is a waste of space. This would require one of the PBP loonies to lose to SF/SDLP and for Alliance to hold the centre seats, while the DUP lose a seat or two in the smaller assembly. This outcome seems perfectly possible.
Is anyone in the DUP anti Brexit?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 16, 2017, 02:54:24 PM
This election could serve a useful purpose it is creates a majority of MLA's willing to vote for special treatment for NI to mitigate the consequences of Brexit. The British may not pay much heed, but an assembly that fails to ask is a waste of space. This would require one of the PBP loonies to lose to SF/SDLP and for Alliance to hold the centre seats, while the DUP lose a seat or two in the smaller assembly. This outcome seems perfectly possible.
Is anyone in the DUP anti Brexit?

Simon Hamilton??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 16, 2017, 03:02:52 PM
John O'Dowd has said that SF will be running 2 candidates in Upper Bann.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: lurganblue on January 16, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

Talk on Twitter is that she is taking up a teaching post again
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 16, 2017, 03:40:03 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

A lot of sitting MLAs won't be nominated because the number of seats is down from 6to 5 in each constituency.  I would assume that factors high in the decision to stand down by SF. Also relevant is the number of standing DUP MLAs saying they won't canvas.

Will the UUP make it a Brexit election? Or a DUP are crooked election. What have the SDLP other than a few decent MLAs to offer? And can they make any headway? SF constituency as strong as they believe?

Will voters turn out?

Having bust a gut to get two seats last time, there aren't two SF seats in a 5 seater.  I wonder if SDLP pick up enough transfers from SF could they nick a seat seat from UUP?
Even with nationalist turnout down there are 2 nationalist quotas there, it'd be a tighter act but not beyond them.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 16, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
SF must be running 2  If they thought there wasnt a chance of 2 seats in a constituency that is nearly 45% catholic then there really is no hope for nationalism
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on January 16, 2017, 04:14:34 PM
SF must be running 2  If they thought there wasnt a chance of 2 seats in a constituency that is nearly 45% catholic then there really is no hope for nationalism
To get two seats would require very disciplined vote management. It will need plenty of canvassers, division of territory and no poaching and of course an electorate who will buy in to the process. It may be easier to manage in the Belfast constituencies
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 16, 2017, 05:47:39 PM
Interesting one reported by Sam McBride on Twitter that Catherine Seeley (SF) has announced she won't be standing in this election.  She was only elected in May 2016 following a close call/brilliant vote management in Upper Bann as SF took two seats and ousted Dolores Kelly.

A lot of sitting MLAs won't be nominated because the number of seats is down from 6to 5 in each constituency.  I would assume that factors high in the decision to stand down by SF. Also relevant is the number of standing DUP MLAs saying they won't canvas.

Will the UUP make it a Brexit election? Or a DUP are crooked election. What have the SDLP other than a few decent MLAs to offer? And can they make any headway? SF constituency as strong as they believe?

Will voters turn out?

Having bust a gut to get two seats last time, there aren't two SF seats in a 5 seater.  I wonder if SDLP pick up enough transfers from SF could they nick a seat seat from UUP?

Here's the data from 2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-constituencies/N06000017 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-constituencies/N06000017)

The quota will rise in 2017 to 7615 for 5 seats.

DUP           14,188    2 seats 2016
SF           11,373    2 seats 2016
UUP          9,884      2 seats 2016
SDLP           4,335
Alliance   1,424
TUV           1,177
UKIP           1,072
CISTA   704
PUP           672
Green   495
Labour   250
Cons           79
Ind           33
   
Quota   7615
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 16, 2017, 05:56:30 PM
SF must be running 2  If they thought there wasnt a chance of 2 seats in a constituency that is nearly 45% catholic then there really is no hope for nationalism

Based on 2016 election, only 34% of those who voted were SF and SDLP first preference voters.  Given the lack of transfers for SF from anyone else they will again struggle to get two elected, last time it was only on the final stage.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 16, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
The point is there are easily 2 nationalist quotas. SFs' 2 although difficult just has to stay im front of SDLP. Who ever is ahead will reach the quota when the other is eliminated with transfers hence why it would be extremely negative to just field 1 candidate. Even if the 2nd candidate fails it raises their profile and gives them good experience so all in all daft not to give it a go.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 16, 2017, 06:23:13 PM
Is Catherine Seeley not going to pursue her career as a Cilla Black impressionist?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 16, 2017, 06:38:11 PM
Good news for SF in UB. Dolores kelly is standing for the SDLP. Probably only Alex Attwood in West Belfast who has overseen a worse collapse in a parties vote. Just shows the dearth in talent when failure keeps getting rewarded
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bennydorano on January 16, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2017, 08:20:17 PM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.

Yeah that's how I feel
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 16, 2017, 08:44:39 PM
I see Paddy Power has Arlene at 4/9 to be First Minister and Michelle O'Neill evens to be DFM after the election
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on January 16, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.

But unfortunately that means you are happy with the status quo.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bennydorano on January 16, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
Big fan of the Quo.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on January 16, 2017, 09:53:57 PM
If the DUP vote doesn't fall after the last 12 months, stormont will never work.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 16, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.

But unfortunately that means you are happy with the status quo.

Agreed they may all be useless but the DUP are on a whole new level. Use your vote to make a difference. It would be worth it just to take the stupid grin off the likes of Arlene and Gregory
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 16, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.

Not voting doesn't mean 'f**k off'. Not voting means that you're sending out a message that says 'keep doing what you're doing and I'll certainly not prevent you ripping me off any more'.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: heganboy on January 16, 2017, 10:30:24 PM
if you can vote, please do
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bennydorano on January 16, 2017, 10:33:06 PM
Spare me the nonsense plz. We'll be re-grouping mid-March to facilitate more charades from the same faces. SF are every bit as bad as the DUP as well.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on January 16, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Lads you need to get out an vote. Don't go and do the stupid thing be smart.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
Vote who??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on January 16, 2017, 10:37:04 PM
Vote who??


Jar jar Mc Kernan
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2017, 10:43:53 PM
SF are every bit as bad as the DUP as well.
Then go out and vote for everyone else.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bennydorano on January 16, 2017, 10:52:58 PM
If 2016 taught us anything it's that not voting has a major impact on outcomes, fingers crossed -  I'm going for that bizzaro world outcome.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 16, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
SF are every bit as bad as the DUP as well.
Then go out and vote for everyone else.

Exactly. Use your vote as a protest vote. It's not exactly like voting takes up the whole day.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 16, 2017, 10:57:45 PM
New parties and new faces required to make a difference to move away from tribalism and the totally stupid preoccupation with the obsolete philosophies of Unionism and Nationalism.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 16, 2017, 11:01:12 PM
New parties and new faces required to make a difference to move away from tribalism and the totally obsolete preoccupation with the obsolete philosophies of Unionism and Nationalism.

Sorry that nobody uses your posts as a barometer of public opinion Fearon. Are you still banging on that the SDLP and SF are out of touch with the nationalist electorate because of their support for gay marriage and that the marriage referendum in the south shows that southerners are so different to northerners that a UI is impossible? Because if you go through the polling posted in either this thread or the RHI one, you'll find that well over 90% of Catholics support gay marriage. Most of them were also pretty supportive of a UI.


EDIT: Here it is, from the RHI thread.

Check out this recent polling and the changes after RHI comes to the fore:

https://lucidtalk.co.uk/images/News/LTDec16TrackerPollResults-GeneralRpt.pdf (https://lucidtalk.co.uk/images/News/LTDec16TrackerPollResults-GeneralRpt.pdf)

92% of Catholic's support gay marriage. Only 4.3% see the UK staying in the EU and the north staying in the UK as the ideal constitutional settlement.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 16, 2017, 11:06:30 PM
New parties and new faces required to make a difference to move away from tribalism and the totally stupid preoccupation with the obsolete philosophies of Unionism and Nationalism.
Off you go and start one then ;D
Regressive non Unionist non Nationalist Party Six Counties Abú Party.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on January 16, 2017, 11:21:59 PM
New parties and new faces required to make a difference to move away from tribalism and the totally stupid preoccupation with the obsolete philosophies of Unionism and Nationalism.

Book a hotel for a launch !!!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on January 17, 2017, 12:20:02 AM
Vote who??

Go out and spoil your vote. If say 30% of the votes were spoiled, it'd at least make a statement and maybe precipitate a change
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on January 17, 2017, 12:42:07 AM
Someone pointed this out on Slugger
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-38634728

I'm sure Milltown Row will welcome having to pay for his doctor like much of the rest of the Irish nation.

More seriously, the Tories will be pushing cutbacks of all sorts and the local lot will face this and a lot of pressure from agriculture and so on for money post EU. Perhaps those MLAs that are not running again are the wise ones.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2017, 07:30:15 AM
Someone pointed this out on Slugger
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-38634728

I'm sure Milltown Row will welcome having to pay for his doctor like much of the rest of the Irish nation.

More seriously, the Tories will be pushing cutbacks of all sorts and the local lot will face this and a lot of pressure from agriculture and so on for money post EU. Perhaps those MLAs that are not running again are the wise ones.
If paying for services makes it a better service then why not?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 17, 2017, 08:07:51 AM
For the first time in maybe close on  20 years I'm not going to vote, they can all f**k off.

Not voting doesn't mean 'f**k off'. Not voting means that you're sending out a message that says 'keep doing what you're doing and I'll certainly not prevent you ripping me off any more'.

Spot on
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: drillsergeant on January 17, 2017, 08:28:46 AM
Well folks, drew up my prediction for March 2nd election:

Election 2017 predictions

Fermanagh South Tyrone: 2DUP 2SF 1UUP
Newry\Armagh: 2SF 1DUP 1UUP 1SDLP
W Belfast: 4SF 1PBP
S Belfast: 2DUP 1SDLP 1SF 1AP
N Belfast: 3DUP 2SF
E Belfast: 3DUP 2AP
North Down: 2DUP 1GP 1UUP 1AP
Stangford: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
South Down: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
Upper Bann: 2DUP 2UUP 1SF
Lagan Valley: 3DUP 1AP 1UUP
South Antrim: 3DUP 1SF 1UUP
East Antrim: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
North Antrim: 3DUP 1TUV 1SF
Mid Ulster: 3SF 1SDLP 1DUP
East Derry: 3DUP 1SF 1IND
Foyle: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
West Tyrone: 3SF 1DUP 1SDLP

DUP: 37
SF: 25
UUP: 9
SDLP: 8
AP: 7
GP: 1
TUV: 1
PBP: 1
IND: 1

Don't think the scandals will effect the DUPs performance  as unionists will stick by the DUP regardless but again I could be wrong. Some seats will be very tight for the last remaining seat, transfers will be very important this time around.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OakleafCounty on January 17, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
Unless you go out and vote for the Ulster Unionists your vote won't make a dam bit of difference to the DUP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2017, 08:49:48 AM
New parties and new faces required to make a difference to move away from tribalism and the totally stupid preoccupation with the obsolete philosophies of Unionism and Nationalism.
Also new genders. Think how making the trans journey as a society could change NI for the better. And create a truly unique NI and thus fulfil the Fearon scripture.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
Below age 40 nationalists outweigh unionists. But in voting ages Unionist out number nationalists.
This might be the case for another 20 years. But the demographics seem to be relentless.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on January 17, 2017, 11:41:48 AM
Below age 40 nationalists outweigh unionists. But in voting ages Unionist out number nationalists.
This might be the case for another 20 years. But the demographics seem to be relentless.

The people are changing though and this push for the Northern Irish identity is changing what being a nationalist or unionist is, its possibly more cultural than patriotic.

We are repeatedly told of how the majority of Nationalists don't want a unified Ireland, which is quite strange since they are termed nationalists.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 12:07:28 PM
Well folks, drew up my prediction for March 2nd election:

Election 2017 predictions

Fermanagh South Tyrone: 2DUP 2SF 1UUP
Newry\Armagh: 2SF 1DUP 1UUP 1SDLP
W Belfast: 4SF 1PBP
S Belfast: 2DUP 1SDLP 1SF 1AP
N Belfast: 3DUP 2SF
E Belfast: 3DUP 2AP
North Down: 2DUP 1GP 1UUP 1AP
Stangford: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
South Down: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
Upper Bann: 2DUP 2UUP 1SF
Lagan Valley: 3DUP 1AP 1UUP
South Antrim: 3DUP 1SF 1UUP
East Antrim: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
North Antrim: 3DUP 1TUV 1SF
Mid Ulster: 3SF 1SDLP 1DUP
East Derry: 3DUP 1SF 1IND
Foyle: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
West Tyrone: 3SF 1DUP 1SDLP

DUP: 37
SF: 25
UUP: 9
SDLP: 8
AP: 7
GP: 1
TUV: 1
PBP: 1
IND: 1

Don't think the scandals will effect the DUPs performance  as unionists will stick by the DUP regardless but again I could be wrong. Some seats will be very tight for the last remaining seat, transfers will be very important this time around.

Interesting that you've the DUP basically coming back stronger as they only lose 1 seat when there are 18 MLAs going anyway.  I'll wait until we see who is running where.  But in S Belfast, I'd bet on Claire Bailey (Greens) keeping her seat at the expense of Stalford (DUP).  Depends too on who the UUP run there, a high profile candidate could boost their chances.  If Nats would transfer to each other in significant numbers McPhillips (SDLP) could hang on at the expense of Barton (UUP) in F/Sth Tyrone.

Turnout is going to be significant of course, as is transfer "policy" and the Lucid Talk poll suggests 28% of voters will change their vote from 2016.  If that's accurate then all predictions could be out the window.

My gut still tells me that this election is a big risk for SF.  They need to guard against the narrative that is most people's default position and that is that "they're both as bad as each other".
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on January 17, 2017, 01:03:46 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

Michelle Gildernew, Sean Lynch and interestingly (and maybe for gender balance across NI) Jemma Dolan are going forward for selection with John Feely and Phil Flanagan sitting it out this time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on January 17, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
Below age 40 nationalists outweigh unionists. But in voting ages Unionist out number nationalists.
This might be the case for another 20 years. But the demographics seem to be relentless.

The people are changing though and this push for the Northern Irish identity is changing what being a nationalist or unionist is, its possibly more cultural than patriotic.

We are repeatedly told of how the majority of Nationalists don't want a unified Ireland, which is quite strange since they are termed nationalists.

There are many pseudo nationalists, but even these should not be keen on a Brexit UK with an NI dominated by a bigoted DUP. Consequently, they should get off their arses and go out and vote and transfer down the line to the likes of Alliance, Greens and even UU to get the DUP below the 30.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 17, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Agree with this.  Lodging the petition of concern yesterday to keep Robin Newton in his seat was an absolute joke.  Especially when ALL the rest of the parties, across the divide, agreed that he should be removed.  It shows the contempt with which the DUP treat the rest of the parties in the Assembly and the 'institutions'.  There was absolutely no sound basis for the POC's use here.

I dearly hope that the moderate unionist voters who the DUP have recently recruited see this but I'd have my doubts.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 17, 2017, 01:49:42 PM
Unless you go out and vote for the Ulster Unionists your vote won't make a dam bit of difference to the DUP.

This kind of attitude will forever condemn NI to DUP rule and the UUP wouldnt be much better given the chance think Tom scum Elliot. As noted earler doesnt matter if you dont like SDLP SF then vote green or Alliance or independent and transfer along least unlikeable if must but it will all help get DUP below 30 seats so they cant keep abusing poc
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on January 17, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
What i would like to see is the true figures for the cost to the tax payer of

DUP/Prodestant side
Expenses Scandel
RHI
Red Sky
Nama
Policing Orange order parades (including twaddle twat)
Pipe band grant
Orange hall grant
Dee skitter (UDA Payments)

TOTAL=

SF/Catholic side
Expenses scandal
IRA payments (community funds)

TOTAL=

You can see where I am going with this.
I noticed in an interview with one of the DUP MLA's that he used a line "we will look after or own people in Northern Ireland" which summed it up very well for me as to how things will not change here, the UUP will be no better.

The money also wasted on rebranding a boat, renaming departments and undoing sensible things that we done by previous ministers also is lost in all this.
But sure its better than killing each other.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 17, 2017, 02:04:17 PM
60,000 voters removed from the register in December 2016

Voters removed by constituency
Belfast East 2,379
Belfast North 4,463
Belfast South 3,213
Belfast West 5,759
East Antrim 2,323
East Londonderry 2,651
Fermanagh & South Tyrone 3,014
Foyle 4,912
Lagan Valley 2,554
Mid Ulster 3,145
North Antrim 2,795
North Down 2,310
Newry & Armagh 4,534
South Antrim 2,997
South Down 4,012
Strangford 2,449
Upper Bann 3,451
West Tyrone 3,472

All these are significant numbers but maybe people who don't keep themselves on the register don't vote.  Could have an effect when the number of MLAs are being reduced.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
60,000 voters removed from the register in December 2016

Voters removed by constituency
Belfast East 2,379
Belfast North 4,463
Belfast South 3,213
Belfast West 5,759
East Antrim 2,323
East Londonderry 2,651
Fermanagh & South Tyrone 3,014
Foyle 4,912
Lagan Valley 2,554
Mid Ulster 3,145
North Antrim 2,795
North Down 2,310
Newry & Armagh 4,534
South Antrim 2,997
South Down 4,012
Strangford 2,449
Upper Bann 3,451
West Tyrone 3,472

All these are significant numbers but maybe people who don't keep themselves on the register don't vote.  Could have an effect when the number of MLAs are being reduced.

On what basis are they removed and can you check if you're on the register??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on January 17, 2017, 02:21:28 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

In a Unionist dominant area like Strangford I can see the UUP take a seat off the DUP if they get their finger out.

Alliance will hold their seat but won't have enough to get two.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 17, 2017, 02:26:13 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

In a Unionist dominant area like Strangford I can see the UUP take a seat off the DUP if they get their finger out.

Alliance will hold their seat but won't have enough to get two.
 

Unfortunately going down to 5 seats means any outside chance of a nationalist seat here has gone. Good news though the boundary changes next time gets rid of alot of these very unionist areas same for west belfast meaning most people will get some sort of representation
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

In a Unionist dominant area like Strangford I can see the UUP take a seat off the DUP if they get their finger out.

Alliance will hold their seat but won't have enough to get two.
 

Unfortunately going down to 5 seats means any outside chance of a nationalist seat here has gone. Good news though the boundary changes next time gets rid of alot of these very unionist areas same for west belfast meaning most people will get some sort of representation

In Strangford you'd think Nesbitt, Hamilton, McIlveen and Kellie Armstrong (Alliance) will be safe enough.  Will Bell run, is the big question??  If he doesn't you might see someone like Jimmy Menagh benefit.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 17, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
60,000 voters removed from the register in December 2016

Voters removed by constituency
Belfast East 2,379
Belfast North 4,463
Belfast South 3,213
Belfast West 5,759
East Antrim 2,323
East Londonderry 2,651
Fermanagh & South Tyrone 3,014
Foyle 4,912
Lagan Valley 2,554
Mid Ulster 3,145
North Antrim 2,795
North Down 2,310
Newry & Armagh 4,534
South Antrim 2,997
South Down 4,012
Strangford 2,449
Upper Bann 3,451
West Tyrone 3,472

All these are significant numbers but maybe people who don't keep themselves on the register don't vote.  Could have an effect when the number of MLAs are being reduced.

On what basis are they removed and can you check if you're on the register??

The only way to check is to contact your local electoral office, there is no online register.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38652276 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38652276)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on January 17, 2017, 02:53:10 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

In a Unionist dominant area like Strangford I can see the UUP take a seat off the DUP if they get their finger out.

Alliance will hold their seat but won't have enough to get two.
 

Unfortunately going down to 5 seats means any outside chance of a nationalist seat here has gone. Good news though the boundary changes next time gets rid of alot of these very unionist areas same for west belfast meaning most people will get some sort of representation

In Strangford you'd think Nesbitt, Hamilton, McIlveen and Kellie Armstrong (Alliance) will be safe enough.  Will Bell run, is the big question??  If he doesn't you might see someone like Jimmy Menagh benefit.

With Sinn Feín non existent in the area means that the DUP main thrust of keeping the Shinners out mightn't have the same impact on a local level and Nesbitt needs a strong running partner to break DUP majority.

Whether Bell stands could have a bearing alright, depending on what creed of christian he is and their "fanbase" in the constituency to cause an upset outside the DUP party apparatus is another thing ala Jim Allister in NA.

Those religious types down here can be a funny crew at times.

Alliance ala Kelly Armstrong may also be in a bit of a tighter fight than she ought to be due to a local dispute wrt provision of a "cross community" full size floodlit 3G pitch which the DUP and UUP were trying to railroad into the lovely fishing village of Portavogie. The Alliance and SDLP are getting the blame for it not going ahead there as there was nothing in the application in relation to support for Gaelic games which is a requirement and the funding body pulled the plug which both are supposed to have highlighted.
Just goes to show you the f**kers seem to think they can ride roughshod over legislation at local government level as well as Stormont
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 02:58:46 PM
Bell is a "Free Methodist" whatever the f**k that is.  It sounds fundamentalist and thus he might attract a few Free P's if he runs.  Michelle McIlveen is a Free P but I think Simon Hamilton is Church of Ireland.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 17, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
People Before Profit to run a second candidate in West Belfast.  Could be final nail in coffin for Alex Attwood??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 17, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
People Before Profit to run a second candidate in West Belfast.  Could be final nail in coffin for Alex Attwood??

If they came to my door I would hammer them on designation and brexit. Im no SF fan but these guys are a bunch of spoofers.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on January 17, 2017, 04:59:30 PM
People Before Profit to run a second candidate in West Belfast.  Could be final nail in coffin for Alex Attwood??

If they came to my door I would hammer them on designation and brexit. Im no SF fan but these guys are a bunch of spoofers.

Have to say although I have a soft spot for Eamon McCann, since he got elected he has been almost anonymous
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on January 17, 2017, 05:23:51 PM
Well folks, drew up my prediction for March 2nd election:

Election 2017 predictions

Fermanagh South Tyrone: 2DUP 2SF 1UUP
Newry\Armagh: 2SF 1DUP 1UUP 1SDLP
W Belfast: 4SF 1PBP
S Belfast: 2DUP 1SDLP 1SF 1AP
N Belfast: 3DUP 2SF
E Belfast: 3DUP 2AP
North Down: 2DUP 1GP 1UUP 1AP
Stangford: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
South Down: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
Upper Bann: 2DUP 2UUP 1SF
Lagan Valley: 3DUP 1AP 1UUP
South Antrim: 3DUP 1SF 1UUP
East Antrim: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
North Antrim: 3DUP 1TUV 1SF
Mid Ulster: 3SF 1SDLP 1DUP
East Derry: 3DUP 1SF 1IND
Foyle: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
West Tyrone: 3SF 1DUP 1SDLP

DUP: 37
SF: 25
UUP: 9
SDLP: 8
AP: 7
GP: 1
TUV: 1
PBP: 1
IND: 1

Don't think the scandals will effect the DUPs performance  as unionists will stick by the DUP regardless but again I could be wrong. Some seats will be very tight for the last remaining seat, transfers will be very important this time around.

Would upper bann not have a large enough nationalist population to return 2 nationalist seats?

I suppose a lot will do with transfers.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 17, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Does it matter what mix of outdated unionists or nationalists are elected? That won't be progress.New parties emphasising common Northern Irishness,not fantasists obsessed with Britain or the Free State are badly needed to effect meaningful change
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
What's going to happen after the election ? Nothing different. SF don't want a public inquiry into RHI (for some reason) so that won't be solved. Nobody will be held to account for it. So we will have £5m of public money spunked on a meaningless election, over a £1m on the shite you get through the door.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 17, 2017, 08:58:44 PM
The key is the 50% of the electorate who don't vote,to effect change.I meanwhile will maintain my recent electoral decision making by voting for candidates,across many parties,who I know personally to be decent,committed and dedicated to working for the the whole community as opposed to tribal party representatives for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 17, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
So you're going to vote for Nationalists and Unionists despite all your "Northern (sic) Irishness"  ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 17, 2017, 09:28:40 PM
the other parties should campaign on how piss poor the DUP are

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nowhere-will-be-more-damaged-by-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-than-northern-ireland-says-sdlp-35374610.html
East Antrim MP Sammy Wilson said: "The Prime Minister recognises that Britain is already a strong economy which can exist beyond the borders of EU outside the single market.

The UK has a budget deficit of 6% of GDP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on January 18, 2017, 01:10:27 PM
The key is the 50% of the electorate who don't vote,to effect change.

THis bit is perfectly correct.

Quote
I meanwhile will maintain my recent electoral decision making by voting for candidates,across many parties,who I know personally to be decent,committed and dedicated to working for the the whole community as opposed to tribal party representatives for the sake of it.

This is all fine, except if those candidates are following a malign party line in their voting then they can do enormous damage notwithstanding their good work on the ground.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on January 18, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
Can every one of the shinners on here tell Gerry Adams to shut the f**k up until the election is over?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2017, 01:33:07 PM
Does it matter what mix of outdated unionists or nationalists are elected? That won't be progress.New parties emphasising common Northern Irishness,not fantasists obsessed with Britain or the Free State are badly needed to effect meaningful change
Who pays for the slowly deflating Shangri La ? 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: NAG1 on January 18, 2017, 01:46:01 PM
the other parties should campaign on how piss poor the DUP are

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nowhere-will-be-more-damaged-by-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-than-northern-ireland-says-sdlp-35374610.html
East Antrim MP Sammy Wilson said: "The Prime Minister recognises that Britain is already a strong economy which can exist beyond the borders of EU outside the single market.

The UK has a budget deficit of 6% of GDP

This from an ex Economics lecturer, it shows you how far removed the political classes especially the DUPers are from regular people on the ground.

More and more people becoming disillusioned with the whole thing and all they want is someone that is going to work to ensure jobs for people who want to work and some sort of future for the next generation. Not this repetitive bullsh*t year after year of point scoring and he said she said that just ends up wasting time and money and opportunities for a better future for everyone on the island. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2017, 02:48:20 PM
the other parties should campaign on how piss poor the DUP are

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nowhere-will-be-more-damaged-by-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-than-northern-ireland-says-sdlp-35374610.html
East Antrim MP Sammy Wilson said: "The Prime Minister recognises that Britain is already a strong economy which can exist beyond the borders of EU outside the single market.

The UK has a budget deficit of 6% of GDP

This from an ex Economics lecturer, it shows you how far removed the political classes especially the DUPers are from regular people on the ground.

More and more people becoming disillusioned with the whole thing and all they want is someone that is going to work to ensure jobs for people who want to work and some sort of future for the next generation. Not this repetitive bullsh*t year after year of point scoring and he said she said that just ends up wasting time and money and opportunities for a better future for everyone on the island.
Sammy and Gregory Campbell have been around a long time, much longer than Mrs Foster but no chance of becoming leadership material.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 18, 2017, 02:48:49 PM
Well folks, drew up my prediction for March 2nd election:

Election 2017 predictions

Fermanagh South Tyrone: 2DUP 2SF 1UUP
Newry\Armagh: 2SF 1DUP 1UUP 1SDLP
W Belfast: 4SF 1PBP
S Belfast: 2DUP 1SDLP 1SF 1AP
N Belfast: 3DUP 2SF
E Belfast: 3DUP 2AP
North Down: 2DUP 1GP 1UUP 1AP
Stangford: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
South Down: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
Upper Bann: 2DUP 2UUP 1SF
Lagan Valley: 3DUP 1AP 1UUP
South Antrim: 3DUP 1SF 1UUP
East Antrim: 3DUP 1UUP 1AP
North Antrim: 3DUP 1TUV 1SF
Mid Ulster: 3SF 1SDLP 1DUP
East Derry: 3DUP 1SF 1IND
Foyle: 2SDLP 2SF 1DUP
West Tyrone: 3SF 1DUP 1SDLP

DUP: 37
SF: 25
UUP: 9
SDLP: 8
AP: 7
GP: 1
TUV: 1
PBP: 1
IND: 1

Don't think the scandals will effect the DUPs performance  as unionists will stick by the DUP regardless but again I could be wrong. Some seats will be very tight for the last remaining seat, transfers will be very important this time around.

Would upper bann not have a large enough nationalist population to return 2 nationalist seats?

I suppose a lot will do with transfers.

DUP veteran Sydney Anderson announces he won't run in Upper Bann
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 18, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
What's the likelihood of the DUP coming back with a bigger share of the vote than before? Would unionist voters be thick enough to take the "he fixshed de road" approach and vote for the blatantly crooked politician? Just to piss the fenians off?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: theskull1 on January 18, 2017, 05:57:04 PM
Wait to you see them bring the fear of 'themmuns getting into power if you don't vote for the strong voice of unionism'

No party does it better and that's all it takes sadly. Some folk (especially religious types) seem to lack the ability to step back and think for themselves.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on January 18, 2017, 06:36:29 PM
What's the likelihood of the DUP coming back with a bigger share of the vote than before? Would unionist voters be thick enough to take the "he fixshed de road" approach and vote for the blatantly crooked politician? Just to piss the fenians off?

Absolutely.

There is a 50 to 75% chance I would reckon that DUP and SF will be returned with the same if not greater share of the vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: The Trap on January 18, 2017, 06:51:42 PM
A lot of DUP voters don't care about anything else bar being able to walk down the road, light bonfires, fly the flag and keep the taiga in their place...........no ambition in them at all. And the DUP feck them over by getting as much money into their pockets as possible. But it has always been thus........just that they are getting caught a bit now........
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on January 18, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
As someone else somewhere said, if you put a DUP rosette on a monkey, the good loyalist people of Ulster would vote for it.

(Probably the same for Sinn Fein too?)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on January 18, 2017, 08:26:01 PM
People before profit, irrespective of who they are or what they are, at least illustrated that some areas will vote outside tribal lines. Sadly only a nationalist are has done that thus far.

Hipefully with no unionist pacts this time alliance can steal some dup votes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bannside on January 18, 2017, 08:27:14 PM
Great write up in todays Irish Times by Fintan O Toole. Well worth a read...Sorry I can't post the lead.

Basically saying that the DUP was behind a massive pro leave campaign (Brexit) and was in bed with main English nationalist parties (or in O Tooles words leading from the front) in a big promotional campaign in and around London....despite the fact that in NI the majority voted to stay in the EU.

Interesting development...wonder will NI media pick up on it now.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2017, 08:39:09 PM
People before profit, irrespective of who they are or what they are, at least illustrated that some areas will vote outside tribal lines. Sadly only a nationalist are has done that thus far.

Hipefully with no unionist pacts this time alliance can steal some dup votes.

What about Alliance in E Belfast a few years ago when Long unseated the Punt?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2017, 08:40:28 PM
As someone else somewhere said, if you put a DUP rosette on a monkey, the good loyalist people of Ulster would vote for it.

(Probably the same for Sinn Fein too?)

Paul Maskey being exhibit A
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on January 18, 2017, 09:23:39 PM
Great write up in todays Irish Times by Fintan O Toole. Well worth a read...Sorry I can't post the lead.

Basically saying that the DUP was behind a massive pro leave campaign (Brexit) and was in bed with main English nationalist parties (or in O Tooles words leading from the front) in a big promotional campaign in and around London....despite the fact that in NI the majority voted to stay in the EU.

Interesting development...wonder will NI media pick up on it now.
Maybe I need to read the article, but what is new about what O'Toole wrote? We all know this. And it is why Brexit needs to be the stick to beat the DUP with.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 18, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
Great write up in todays Irish Times by Fintan O Toole. Well worth a read...Sorry I can't post the lead.

Basically saying that the DUP was behind a massive pro leave campaign (Brexit) and was in bed with main English nationalist parties (or in O Tooles words leading from the front) in a big promotional campaign in and around London....despite the fact that in NI the majority voted to stay in the EU.

Interesting development...wonder will NI media pick up on it now.
Maybe I need to read the article, but what is new about what O'Toole wrote? We all know this. And it is why Brexit needs to be the stick to beat the DUP with.

Unionist leadership has been worse than just Brexit .NI is considerably poorer than Munster .  .

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Gross_domestic_product_(GDP)_per_inhabitant_in_purchasing_power_standard_(PPS)_in_relation_to_the_EU-28_average,_by_NUTS_2_regions,_2014_(%C2%B9)_(%25_of_the_EU-28_average,_EU-28_%3D_100)_RYB2016.png

NI pissed away a sizeable advantage held in 1922 . Linen and shipbuilding went and bigotry delivered a paramilitary war and a brain drain. More of the same small minded shite will see Munster pulling away further . And Munster is mostly Taigs...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 18, 2017, 09:40:49 PM
Great write up in todays Irish Times by Fintan O Toole. Well worth a read...Sorry I can't post the lead.

Basically saying that the DUP was behind a massive pro leave campaign (Brexit) and was in bed with main English nationalist parties (or in O Tooles words leading from the front) in a big promotional campaign in and around London....despite the fact that in NI the majority voted to stay in the EU.

Interesting development...wonder will NI media pick up on it now.

Saw that, it's a good piece. So much for the "our duty to the greater number" mantra that we used to hear from unionists. The days could soon be over when we get sanctimonious Billys and Sammys ringing up Talkback to lecture the taigs about how we have to "respect the verdict of the ballot box" and "what the majority says goes." They'd be quick to tell you that the Brexit vote counts because it was UK-wide, but I doubt if they'd be as hot about any NI border poll that were put to the UK voters at large.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on January 18, 2017, 10:19:44 PM


Unionist leadership has been worse than just Brexit .NI is considerably poorer than Munster .  .

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Gross_domestic_product_(GDP)_per_inhabitant_in_purchasing_power_standard_(PPS)_in_relation_to_the_EU-28_average,_by_NUTS_2_regions,_2014_(%C2%B9)_(%25_of_the_EU-28_average,_EU-28_%3D_100)_RYB2016.png

NI pissed away a sizeable advantage held in 1922 . Linen and shipbuilding went and bigotry delivered a paramilitary war and a brain drain. More of the same small minded shite will see Munster pulling away further . And Munster is mostly Taigs...
You over-estimate the Northern electorate if you think that type of sensible real historical analysis would be considered at the ballot box.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 18, 2017, 11:37:29 PM
As someone else somewhere said, if you put a DUP rosette on a monkey, the good loyalist people of Ulster would vote for it.

(Probably the same for Sinn Fein too?)

Paul Maskey being exhibit A

It could be a long list.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ONeill on January 19, 2017, 12:33:06 AM
Never thought I'd never consider this but unless I hear someone campaign on non-sectarian grounds or refer to issues that really matter then I'll be driving past that polling station.

I hope there's a 20% turn out. A strong message needs to be sent out but I expect the DUP to hold and maybe even strengthen their vote. Yeeeoooooooo etc. This place is a dungheap.

Might vote for yer blade Dobson. She's deadly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 19, 2017, 04:54:56 AM


Unionist leadership has been worse than just Brexit .NI is considerably poorer than Munster .  .

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Gross_domestic_product_(GDP)_per_inhabitant_in_purchasing_power_standard_(PPS)_in_relation_to_the_EU-28_average,_by_NUTS_2_regions,_2014_(%C2%B9)_(%25_of_the_EU-28_average,_EU-28_%3D_100)_RYB2016.png

NI pissed away a sizeable advantage held in 1922 . Linen and shipbuilding went and bigotry delivered a paramilitary war and a brain drain. More of the same small minded shite will see Munster pulling away further . And Munster is mostly Taigs...
You over-estimate the Northern electorate if you think that type of sensible real historical analysis would be considered at the ballot box.
It never is. That is why systems collapse. NI is a political failure.  It used to have a Prime Minister. Now it has a First Minister. But the economic failure is worse.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 19, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
Great write up in todays Irish Times by Fintan O Toole. Well worth a read...Sorry I can't post the lead.

Basically saying that the DUP was behind a massive pro leave campaign (Brexit) and was in bed with main English nationalist parties (or in O Tooles words leading from the front) in a big promotional campaign in and around London....despite the fact that in NI the majority voted to stay in the EU.

Interesting development...wonder will NI media pick up on it now.
Maybe I need to read the article, but what is new about what O'Toole wrote? We all know this. And it is why Brexit needs to be the stick to beat the DUP with.

Nothing new in it, all has been all over the public domain previously.

That's the point he makes, that Brexit should be used to go after the DUP. Unfortunately, most DUP supporters were probably Brexiteers also. Its not like the UUP were strong remainers either - it took them a long time to make up its mind, and in the end it said its members should vote any way they want, albeit it encouraged stay. Now that that vote is over, I can't see that many DUP supporters, even those who supported Remain, will vote any differently in these elections because of it - that horse has bolted.

Fintan appears to be have forgotten that the DUP don't have a semblance of interest in representing anyone but themselves, and make no bones about it - that they went against the majority they purport to represent won't embarrass them in the slightest.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on January 19, 2017, 08:53:03 AM
The DUP could replace all their candidates in the forthcoming election with real monkeys and their loyal supporters would vote for them regardless. Bottom line above anything else is keeping themuns out at any cost and by any means. Everything else, Brext, NAMA, Red Sky, RHI etc pales into insignificance when they are standing at the polling booth. They just can't bring themselves to put their mark anywhere else.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on January 19, 2017, 09:02:35 AM
Foster's attitude to brexit was also extremely arrogant. She should have been pushing for what it meant for ni etc but she didn't care no matter what the vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 19, 2017, 09:59:10 AM
Does the Tele even pretend not to have an agenda any more? Its (lack of) coverage of the RHI is beyond a joke. Such a rag, and its disintegration into such has been at a serious rate. Well done Gail...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38674046

While the RHI scandal rumbles on, the Belfast Telegraph front page instead focuses on the spate of paramilitary-style shootings in west Belfast.
It says three of the five people shot in the last month have, beforehand, been named on a Facebook page along with allegations of crimes they have been involved in. Updates on when they have been shot are also said to be posted on the page.
Both The Irish News and the News Letter lead with the latest development in the Renewable Heat Incentive (RHI) scheme - claims that a former special adviser to Arlene Foster had acted to delay the closure of the botched scheme.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: DickyRock on January 19, 2017, 10:02:05 AM
The DUP could replace all their candidates in the forthcoming election with real monkeys and their loyal supporters would vote for them regardless. Bottom line above anything else is keeping themuns out at any cost and by any means. Everything else, Brext, NAMA, Red Sky, RHI etc pales into insignificance when they are standing at the polling booth. They just can't bring themselves to put their mark anywhere else.

That is why people not voting/spoiling their vote is counter productive. People need to get out and vote to ensure DUP don't come back anywhere near the number of seat that they have.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on January 19, 2017, 10:02:38 AM
Never thought I'd never consider this but unless I hear someone campaign on non-sectarian grounds or refer to issues that really matter then I'll be driving past that polling station.

I hope there's a 20% turn out. A strong message needs to be sent out but I expect the DUP to hold and maybe even strengthen their vote. Yeeeoooooooo etc. This place is a dungheap.

Might vote for yer blade Dobson. She's deadly.

She looks very like Alison Morris I always think.

I'd say you're better turning up and spoiling your vote that not voting, that's what I'm considering atm, at least it registers your apathy to the options rather than being lumped as couldn't be arsed.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: DickyRock on January 19, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
What does spoiling achieve? No matter which politician gets in they will claim a mandate and that they represent you even if you do vote/spoil your vote. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on January 19, 2017, 10:18:22 AM
What does spoiling achieve? No matter which politician gets in they will claim a mandate and that they represent you even if you do vote/spoil your vote.

Instead whoever you do vote for can honestly say they represent you and I've never liked the idea of voting for someone you disagree with to keep someone else you disagree with out.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 10:38:36 AM
I spoiled my vote at the last elections but wont be doing it this time.  I can't bear to watch the arrogance of the DUP any longer.  There'll be a number in every box bar the DUP's this time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 19, 2017, 11:09:54 AM
Anyone spoiling their vote are only supporting DUP SF as both have a fairly hard core of voters who will not consider the candidate and vote the party line.  Until those who left the process rejoin these cores will determine the government for us all and will continue to be able to threaten democracy every time they don't get their own way by preventing government from being established.

The RHI scandal is beginning to show that the SPADs are the route by which each party rules within government with no accountability as either politicians or civil servants.  They have the authority of the minister in all of their actions and there will be a hierarchy of SPADs on both sides.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OakleafCounty on January 19, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
I seen on Facebook. Alex Maskey advising people to 'fight back' against the DUP by voting for SF. That makes no sense to me because it's a power sharing executive. SF's political opponent is the SDLP and PBP. In order to get the DUP out we'd have to boost the UUP, Alliance or in some cases Green Party vote.

I've never put a number beside a unionist before but I'm seriously considering this time if I think there's a chance of it stopping the DUP getting in.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2017, 11:16:35 AM
I spoiled my vote at the last elections but wont be doing it this time.  I can't bear to watch the arrogance of the DUP any longer.  There'll be a number in every box bar the DUP's this time.

That's the way to use PR.
Spoiled votes don't get counted and nobody gives 2 Fs about them.
As for not voting. ....if only 20% vote it's still a valid election and those 20% make the decision for everyone.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: whiskeysteve on January 19, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 19, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

Exactly, PR needs to be used intelligently to halt DUP.  SF core will always plump for their own they need only a very small percentage of the electorate to maintain their seats proportionately in a 90 seat assembly.  Others should consider how best to use they votes to remove the DUP with votes for any other party that is just struggling to get that last seat.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on January 19, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

Not agreeing with a party is the only reason not to vote for them. Its not a case of they are as bad as each other rather I have different issues with different parties which make them objectionable to me.

Voting for the Shinners or SDLP won't make any difference to the DUP, because we live in a divided society its up to the electoral Unionists community to show their disgust to the DUP, they don't expect, court nor really care about my vote.

I guess the question is what do you consider the status quo to actually be in the North, is it the DUP/SF executive or is it Stormont itself.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2017, 12:14:31 PM
You are not maximising your PR if you don't give preferences to the least objectionable others.
If for example all  the Nationalist candidates are elected or eliminated then your vote is dead if you haven't continued to eg  Greens, Alliance and then to the Unionists you prefer.
It's all about PREFERENCES.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on January 19, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
You are not maximising your PR if you don't give preferences to the least objectionable others.
If for example all  the Nationalist candidates are elected or eliminated then your vote is dead if you haven't continued to eg  Greens, Alliance and then to the Unionists you prefer.
It's all about PREFERENCES.

You should give lectures on PR, what would the poor northern nationalists do without you, I am sure your insight with help topple the DUP and get a united Ireland!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: illdecide on January 19, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
I asked a few prods i work with last week would the scandals over the last while back have any influence on how you'd vote and instantly all 3 of them without hesitation said "no", they stated they will still vote DUP and that's the scary thing as this circus seems to be still capable of emerging just as it was...How do we stop this? How can we stop DUP? I don't believe we can and the majority of protestant people are still that brainwashed they'll still vote for them...

As someone stated it's really up to the Mike Nesbitt brigade and Alliance to hurt the DUP...I've been a Sinn Fein voter my whole life but i'm so disillusioned with it all i couldn't care less if they all disappeared...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 19, 2017, 01:03:18 PM
Now is not the time to give up. Loads of change is coming and the DUP is not ready for it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 19, 2017, 01:27:30 PM
Word of advice for SF...keep Declan Kearney off the airwaves!!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 01:40:28 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on January 19, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

One thing we have learned is that no one is listening or wants to listen to the vast majority of ordinary people.

Even with 90 MLAs, relatively small numbers of votes for an individual candidate do count.  The quota for most seats will be between 7000 and 8000 votes so that will be the target for any candidate to be elected without transfers.  These are not big numbers, only a 6th of those who vote and if the turnout is as much as 50% then only 8.3% of the total electorate in a constituency.  So, the answer is to vote and to get as many of your non-voting mates to do the same if you want change.  To affect the DUP, hold your nose and vote for any of the opposition parties.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on January 19, 2017, 01:57:39 PM
Word of advice for SF...keep Declan Kearney off the airwaves!!
Ya. Give Aonghus O Snodaigh a chance to practice his English
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 19, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

If you feel there are significant amounts of people with similar views to yourself, why don't you run?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

If you feel there are significant amounts of people with similar views to yourself, why don't you run?

This can't be a serious question.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 02:21:19 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

One thing we have learned is that no one is listening or wants to listen to the vast majority of ordinary people.

Even with 90 MLAs, relatively small numbers of votes for an individual candidate do count.  The quota for most seats will be between 7000 and 8000 votes so that will be the target for any candidate to be elected without transfers.  These are not big numbers, only a 6th of those who vote and if the turnout is as much as 50% then only 8.3% of the total electorate in a constituency.  So, the answer is to vote and to get as many of your non-voting mates to do the same if you want change.  To affect the DUP, hold your nose and vote for any of the opposition parties.

Yes, yet plenty of the parties don't reach this 'small' number in many constituencies.  Like I say, voting for anyone is pointless, unless plenty of others do the same.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 19, 2017, 02:32:53 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

If you feel there are significant amounts of people with similar views to yourself, why don't you run?

This can't be a serious question.

You're advocating spoiling your vote, and have this notion that if enough people do it, then things will change. Leaving aside how likely the first part is, how would things change? Assuming you believe in democracy, then the only way it could change anything is by encouraging other people to run. So, rather than waste all the time attempting to start a vote spoiling movement, why not just save a lot of time by running yourself, now?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 03:12:02 PM
the DUP would absolutely love you to spoil your vote - the only way you can hold them accountable is by voting for others.

Saying they are all as bad as each other in so many words is really irrelevant as an argument to spoil a vote. If, by wielding your vote, one crowd of incompetents is displaced by another, at least you would have contributed to a principle of electoral accountability and send a message that absolutely staggering RHI level incompetence will not be tolerated.

In all honesty, I would view a spoiled vote as effectively a small scale endorsement of the DUP, as its only practical effect would be to contribute to a preservation of the status quo.

The reason I spoiled my vote was because I didn't want to vote for anyone.  It's essentially saying 'I want to exercise my right to vote, but I deem none of the candidates competent enough to vote for'.  Arguing that it has no practical significance only applies if only small numbers of people do it.  It's the same as saying 'there's no point in voting UUP in east derry, or the green party pretty much anywhere.  If significant numbers of people spoiled their vote, instead of just not voting it would send the relevant message.

If you feel there are significant amounts of people with similar views to yourself, why don't you run?

This can't be a serious question.

You're advocating spoiling your vote, and have this notion that if enough people do it, then things will change. Leaving aside how likely the first part is, how would things change? Assuming you believe in democracy, then the only way it could change anything is by encouraging other people to run. So, rather than waste all the time attempting to start a vote spoiling movement, why not just save a lot of time by running yourself, now?

Starting a movement!! Catch yerself on lad. And let's say I am trying to do that. (ffs  ::)).  I've currently wasted about 5mins on it, by writing a post on the GAA board.  Thanks for the concern for my time though.  Straw man much?

Anyway, if enough people did it, it would be a ringing endorsement of what we are all saying here on a daily basis.  That the shower on the hill are f**king useless and there's none of them worth voting for.  But it's also saying that you feel that your vote is worth casting.  In reality, it was just a symbolic gesture.  But I suppose if a significant portion of the electorate did that, instead of just lying on their ass at home, I reckon something would happen.  Either way, it's really nothing for you to be getting your knickers in a knot about.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 03:33:15 PM
How does PR work in the north? In the elections down here, I believe that the only way you are guaranteed that your transfers are even used, is if you vote #1 for a candidate who will be eliminated. All votes of eliminated candidates are redistributed, but only a sample up to the surplus amount are redistributed for elected candidates.

If I vote monster raving looney party #1 and say Fine Gael #2, then it's very likely my #2 will come into play as all the looney votes will be distributed as they are eliminated.
If I vote the other way around, then it's unlikely my #2 will be counted as either a) the looney will be eliminated, or b) Fine Gael will be elected, and only their surplus is distributed, which is a random set of ballots that total the amount. If the quota is 8,000 and the candidate gets 8,100, then only 100 will be distributed. And that 100 can be any bundle of 100.

It would be so much better if ALL votes were counted, with a weighting given to the various preferences.

Count the #1s first, and give everyone say 5 points if it's a 5 seater, for every #1 they get. Eliminate nobody, and then count the #2s, #3s. #4s. #5s. 4 points for a #2, 3 points for a #3, etc etc. Then the 5 candidates with the most points get elected at the end.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 03:36:48 PM
Apologies, ignore that last post. Complete rubbish. The surplus is distributed by counting ALL the elected candidates votes, and allocating a percentage of transfers to the other candidates. Then the Surplus is divided out in that ratio, so your vote counts.

Candidate gets 8,100. All his votes are examined, and if my looney guy gets 8 percent of the #2s of the 8,100 ballots, he gets 8% of the surplus, i.e. 8 votes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on January 19, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
but only a sample up to the surplus amount are redistributed for elected candidates.

I wasn't aware until recently that all ballots weren't counted when transferring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_single_transferable_votes#Hare

I assumed that all ballots were counted and and transferred at a fraction of a vote (which is used in the Senate elections with the much smaller number of votes) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_single_transferable_votes#Gregory



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on January 19, 2017, 03:42:02 PM
Apologies, ignore that last post. Complete rubbish.

Your post does match what wiki says ie a sample is used. see the links in my previous post.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2017, 03:44:26 PM
Working out a percentage only happens if someone exceeds quota on first count.
I believe it's done in all cases in the North.
Here if you exceed the quota on say 3rd count they simply take the surplus straight from the top of your pile of votes , in other words from the transfers you got from others.
That's why people look for recounts where there's a close call in the hope a different set of papers will change things.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 19, 2017, 03:46:46 PM

Starting a movement!! Catch yerself on lad. And let's say I am trying to do that. (ffs  ::)).  I've currently wasted about 5mins on it, by writing a post on the GAA board.  Thanks for the concern for my time though.  Straw man much?

Anyway, if enough people did it, it would be a ringing endorsement of what we are all saying here on a daily basis.  That the shower on the hill are f**king useless and there's none of them worth voting for.  But it's also saying that you feel that your vote is worth casting.  In reality, it was just a symbolic gesture.  But I suppose if a significant portion of the electorate did that, instead of just lying on their ass at home, I reckon something would happen.  Either way, it's really nothing for you to be getting your knickers in a knot about.

I'm not getting my knickers in a twist at all, it would seem to be you getting a little agitated. All I'm trying to ascertain is what you think the 'something' would be that would happen, i.e. what good you think spoiling your vote does or would do?

Its perfectly reasonable to suggest that if you think there are only useless people 'up on the hill', and you think sufficient people share your view, that you consider running yourself (assuming of course, that you don't consider yourself useless)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 04:08:33 PM

Starting a movement!! Catch yerself on lad. And let's say I am trying to do that. (ffs  ::)).  I've currently wasted about 5mins on it, by writing a post on the GAA board.  Thanks for the concern for my time though.  Straw man much?

Anyway, if enough people did it, it would be a ringing endorsement of what we are all saying here on a daily basis.  That the shower on the hill are f**king useless and there's none of them worth voting for.  But it's also saying that you feel that your vote is worth casting.  In reality, it was just a symbolic gesture.  But I suppose if a significant portion of the electorate did that, instead of just lying on their ass at home, I reckon something would happen.  Either way, it's really nothing for you to be getting your knickers in a knot about.

I'm not getting my knickers in a twist at all, it would seem to be you getting a little agitated. All I'm trying to ascertain is what you think the 'something' would be that would happen, i.e. what good you think spoiling your vote does or would do?

Its perfectly reasonable to suggest that if you think there are only useless people 'up on the hill', and you think sufficient people share your view, that you consider running yourself (assuming of course, that you don't consider yourself useless)

As I said before, it would send a message that the people deem their vote important enough to cast, but that they don't deem any of the candidates worthy of voting for.  I don't know what the practical consequences of this would be, but if 30-40% of the electorate did this, instead of just sitting at home, it would certainly reasonate with our politcos.  (if nothing else, Nolan would make hay with it!).

As for the bit in bold.  That is ONLY 'perfectly reasonable' in a world where they are the only two things that a person would consider when determining whether or not to jack it all in and go for a career in politics.  Now I'm not sure what kind of parallel universe you are inhabiting but I know I'd have a few other things to think about first. ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on January 19, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 04:34:18 PM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)

What would your advice be to someone like myself who didn't deem any candidates worth voting for? (and who doesn't have time to start a new political party, for haranguerer).  Sit at home? Emigrate? Just stick the numbers in random boxes and see what happens?  Spoiling my vote seemed to be the most logical way for me to register my contempt for the whole she-bang.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 19, 2017, 04:35:56 PM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)

What would your advice be to someone like myself who didn't deem any candidates worth voting for? (and who doesn't have time to start a new political party, for haranguerer).  Sit at home? Emigrate? Just stick the numbers in random boxes and see what happens?  Spoiling my vote seemed to be the most logical way for me to register my contempt for the whole she-bang.

In that case just vote for the Taigs then! ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 19, 2017, 05:15:16 PM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)

What would your advice be to someone like myself who didn't deem any candidates worth voting for? (and who doesn't have time to start a new political party, for haranguerer).  Sit at home? Emigrate? Just stick the numbers in random boxes and see what happens?  Spoiling my vote seemed to be the most logical way for me to register my contempt for the whole she-bang.

In that case just vote for the Taigs then! ;)

I think that's what most seem to do!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on January 19, 2017, 09:47:40 PM
but only a sample up to the surplus amount are redistributed for elected candidates.

I wasn't aware until recently that all ballots weren't counted when transferring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_single_transferable_votes#Hare

I assumed that all ballots were counted and and transferred at a fraction of a vote (which is used in the Senate elections with the much smaller number of votes) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_single_transferable_votes#Gregory
Depends on the transfer system being used. NI uses the Gregory system which weights the overage as per AZ's second post. The Republic does not, apart from the Senate elections.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: oakleaflad on January 19, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)

What would your advice be to someone like myself who didn't deem any candidates worth voting for? (and who doesn't have time to start a new political party, for haranguerer).  Sit at home? Emigrate? Just stick the numbers in random boxes and see what happens?  Spoiling my vote seemed to be the most logical way for me to register my contempt for the whole she-bang.
Genuine question, did you check out each candidate (say including Green Party or Independents) and what they stood for or just not like the candidates from the main couple of parties?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on January 19, 2017, 10:32:09 PM
With the power-sharing arrangement (or "mandatory coalition," as opponents of power-sharing call it) you know there's going to be unionists in the executive. There has to be because that's how it's set up. So as a fenian you might as well have a say in which unionists you want your boys to be dealing with. Might as well give a lok of transfers to the moderate unionists and give them a hand. Would it make much of a difference if enough nationalists did this?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on January 19, 2017, 11:49:31 PM

Starting a movement!! Catch yerself on lad. And let's say I am trying to do that. (ffs  ::)).  I've currently wasted about 5mins on it, by writing a post on the GAA board.  Thanks for the concern for my time though.  Straw man much?

Anyway, if enough people did it, it would be a ringing endorsement of what we are all saying here on a daily basis.  That the shower on the hill are f**king useless and there's none of them worth voting for.  But it's also saying that you feel that your vote is worth casting.  In reality, it was just a symbolic gesture.  But I suppose if a significant portion of the electorate did that, instead of just lying on their ass at home, I reckon something would happen.  Either way, it's really nothing for you to be getting your knickers in a knot about.

I'm not getting my knickers in a twist at all, it would seem to be you getting a little agitated. All I'm trying to ascertain is what you think the 'something' would be that would happen, i.e. what good you think spoiling your vote does or would do?

Its perfectly reasonable to suggest that if you think there are only useless people 'up on the hill', and you think sufficient people share your view, that you consider running yourself (assuming of course, that you don't consider yourself useless)

As I said before, it would send a message that the people deem their vote important enough to cast, but that they don't deem any of the candidates worthy of voting for.  I don't know what the practical consequences of this would be, but if 30-40% of the electorate did this, instead of just sitting at home, it would certainly reasonate with our politcos.  (if nothing else, Nolan would make hay with it!).

As for the bit in bold.  That is ONLY 'perfectly reasonable' in a world where they are the only two things that a person would consider when determining whether or not to jack it all in and go for a career in politics.  Now I'm not sure what kind of parallel universe you are inhabiting but I know I'd have a few other things to think about first. ::)

Completely agree with Franko on this. Turnout is mentioned briefly in any election but the reasons for it aren't discussed to any huge extent. If say 25-30% of votes were spoiled, that would send a clear message that more people are represented by none of the parties than any other single party. That in itself would prompt a discussion as to what would represent these people - either through new parties or existing parties.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 20, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
The whole 'they're all the same' argument does my head in - mainly because it lets those who really are shocking, off the hook (and also because its bullshit).

As Oakleaf lad asks - have you really looked at all the candidates Franko? Spoiling your vote is a complete waste of time. You my not find a perfect fit, but I think you're likely to find someone you could vote for. And if enough people were to do that, then there would be an effect - policies will move in that direction, and over time, you may find the ground has moved so much that there is someone who (almost) perfectly represents you.



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 20, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
Ok for the slow it doesnt matter if only 10% vote, that 10% will have a say for ALL OF US. You can spoil your vote if you want but what the f#ck will that achieve. DUP dont care that SF have 28 seats in the assembly they still treat them like a doormat and use them well when they need to so they seriously wont care if there are a few thousand spoilt votes now get real. Ps spoilt vote in STV is common enough as some people STILL after years of going to polling stations put an x by the candiadte in an STV election. Now if you want to use your vote like an adult then pick the candidate that most suits you even if thats not alot and rank the rest in order after that. Its not difficult
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 20, 2017, 10:51:13 AM
Even if 70% spoiled their vote 90 MLAs will still be elected.
And they will get paid and their hangers on will get paid.
That would outweigh any other message ;)

What would your advice be to someone like myself who didn't deem any candidates worth voting for? (and who doesn't have time to start a new political party, for haranguerer).  Sit at home? Emigrate? Just stick the numbers in random boxes and see what happens?  Spoiling my vote seemed to be the most logical way for me to register my contempt for the whole she-bang.
Genuine question, did you check out each candidate (say including Green Party or Independents) and what they stood for or just not like the candidates from the main couple of parties?

Not as such, but here's how it worked out.  I had an issue with access to business premises that myself and others approached SF, SDLP and Alliance about and got nowhere.  After that, I ruled out voting for any of their candidates.  It ended up getting sorted through another agent, by a local UUP councillor.  I'm not ever going to vote unionist (you can shout about sectarian headcounts all you want, but that's just an immutable fact).  I wouldn't vote for the Green Party as they seem to stand resolutely in the face of any and all development/progress.  There was one other candidate from another party, who I know personally to be a total bollix so he was also out.  And hey presto, we are left with nobody.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 20, 2017, 10:52:27 AM
Ok for the slow it doesnt matter if only 10% vote, that 10% will have a say for ALL OF US. You can spoil your vote if you want but what the f#ck will that achieve. DUP dont care that SF have 28 seats in the assembly they still treat them like a doormat and use them well when they need to so they seriously wont care if there are a few thousand spoilt votes now get real. Ps spoilt vote in STV is common enough as some people STILL after years of going to polling stations put an x by the candiadte in an STV election. Now if you want to use your vote like an adult then pick the candidate that most suits you even if thats not alot and rank the rest in order after that. Its not difficult

Very good.  I still choose my option, for the reasons both myself and macdanger have outlined.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 20, 2017, 10:54:48 AM
The whole 'they're all the same' argument does my head in - mainly because it lets those who really are shocking, off the hook (and also because its bullshit).

As Oakleaf lad asks - have you really looked at all the candidates Franko? Spoiling your vote is a complete waste of time. You my not find a perfect fit, but I think you're likely to find someone you could vote for. And if enough people were to do that, then there would be an effect - policies will move in that direction, and over time, you may find the ground has moved so much that there is someone who (almost) perfectly represents you.

So is voting for anyone, unless a quantity of others also do it.  Is a vote for the Workers Party a complete waste of time?  What about voting for a unionist candidate in West Belfast?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 20, 2017, 11:44:22 AM
You're going round in circles. Lets compare like with like - you being the only person to spoil your vote, won't make much difference, as will you being the only person to change your vote to vote for say, a unionist in W Belfast. But if a lot of people start spoiling their vote, nothing changes. However, if a lot of people start voting for a unionist in W Belfast, then something changes.

By the way, ruling out many of your local representatives on the basis that they weren't able to sort an issue for you personally seems a tad petty. And if that is how you judge your representatives, then why aren't you voting for the one that did sort it?? Which is more important, their constitutional position, or their actions on your behalf? You seem very mixed up about this.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 20, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
You're going round in circles. Lets compare like with like - you being the only person to spoil your vote, won't make much difference, as will you being the only person to change your vote to vote for say, a unionist in W Belfast. But if a lot of people start spoiling their vote, nothing changes. However, if a lot of people start voting for a unionist in W Belfast, then something changes.

By the way, ruling out many of your local representatives on the basis that they weren't able to sort an issue for you personally seems a tad petty. And if that is how you judge your representatives, then why aren't you voting for the one that did sort it?? Which is more important, their constitutional position, or their actions on your behalf? You seem very mixed up about this.

The bit in bold is your opinion and totally subjective.  I believe if a sizeable portion of the electorate spoiled their vote, something would change.  Not necessarily the people, but maybe their attitudes.  The thing about your point is that it’s every bit as likely that a group of people would spoil their vote as it is that a similarly sized group would vote for a DUP candidate in West Belfast.  So if one is a waste of time, so is the other.  It's a zero sum game - either both are a waste of time, or none are.  I say none.

And I’m not mixed up in any way, I couldn’t be clearer.  The people in the 3 parties I mentioned didn’t want to know about the issue I had so I ruled out giving them my vote.  I don’t see this as petty at all.  This sort of thing is what we pay elected representatives for and if they don’t act on a request or show an interest in these issues then I won’t vote for them.  And I’ll state this again.  I didn’t vote for a unionist candidate because the constitutional question is quite important to me.  I won’t vote for someone whose views are completely opposed to mine on this.  What’s difficult to understand or unclear about this?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on January 20, 2017, 02:18:49 PM
You're going round in circles. Lets compare like with like - you being the only person to spoil your vote, won't make much difference, as will you being the only person to change your vote to vote for say, a unionist in W Belfast. But if a lot of people start spoiling their vote, nothing changes. However, if a lot of people start voting for a unionist in W Belfast, then something changes.

By the way, ruling out many of your local representatives on the basis that they weren't able to sort an issue for you personally seems a tad petty. And if that is how you judge your representatives, then why aren't you voting for the one that did sort it?? Which is more important, their constitutional position, or their actions on your behalf? You seem very mixed up about this.

The thing about your point is that it’s every bit as likely that a group of people would spoil their vote as it is that a similarly sized group would vote for a DUP candidate in West Belfast.  So if one is a waste of time, so is the other.  It's a zero sum game - either both are a waste of time, or none are.  I say none.


How on earth does that follow?! Also I don't think you know what either a straw man argument (which you used earlier), or a zero sum game, actually are.

I've changed my mind though, I think you should definitely spoil your vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 20, 2017, 02:28:07 PM
You're going round in circles. Lets compare like with like - you being the only person to spoil your vote, won't make much difference, as will you being the only person to change your vote to vote for say, a unionist in W Belfast. But if a lot of people start spoiling their vote, nothing changes. However, if a lot of people start voting for a unionist in W Belfast, then something changes.

By the way, ruling out many of your local representatives on the basis that they weren't able to sort an issue for you personally seems a tad petty. And if that is how you judge your representatives, then why aren't you voting for the one that did sort it?? Which is more important, their constitutional position, or their actions on your behalf? You seem very mixed up about this.

The thing about your point is that it’s every bit as likely that a group of people would spoil their vote as it is that a similarly sized group would vote for a DUP candidate in West Belfast.  So if one is a waste of time, so is the other.  It's a zero sum game - either both are a waste of time, or none are.  I say none.


How on earth does that follow?! Also I don't think you know what either a straw man argument (which you used earlier), or a zero sum game, actually are.

I've changed my mind though, I think you should definitely spoil your vote.

Your straw man argument was your ridiculous point that I was trying to start a 'spoil your vote' movement or some such tosh.

And I'm glad you've finally accepted that I'm right.  ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 21, 2017, 12:51:13 AM
As much as Franko and I have a 'thing' he's got his principles and sticking to them...

For me voting in newtownabbey is a bollox, so selecting candidates is limited, so spoiling a vote (which I've done in past) seems the right choice at times
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on January 21, 2017, 01:55:01 AM
And I’m not mixed up in any way, I couldn’t be clearer.  The people in the 3 parties I mentioned didn’t want to know about the issue I had so I ruled out giving them my vote.  I don’t see this as petty at all.  This sort of thing is what we pay elected representatives for and if they don’t act on a request or show an interest in these issues then I won’t vote for them.  And I’ll state this again.  I didn’t vote for a unionist candidate because the constitutional question is quite important to me.  I won’t vote for someone whose views are completely opposed to mine on this.  What’s difficult to understand or unclear about this?

If the constitutional issue is so important to you, then councillors running errands for you should not be superior to this. So you should vote for constitutionally sound candidates first, and then make sure the helpful UU guy gets the highest preference of any constitutionally unsound candidate.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 21, 2017, 08:07:25 AM
And I’m not mixed up in any way, I couldn’t be clearer.  The people in the 3 parties I mentioned didn’t want to know about the issue I had so I ruled out giving them my vote.  I don’t see this as petty at all.  This sort of thing is what we pay elected representatives for and if they don’t act on a request or show an interest in these issues then I won’t vote for them.  And I’ll state this again.  I didn’t vote for a unionist candidate because the constitutional question is quite important to me.  I won’t vote for someone whose views are completely opposed to mine on this.  What’s difficult to understand or unclear about this?

If the constitutional issue is so important to you, then councillors running errands for you should not be superior to this. So you should vote for constitutionally sound candidates first, and then make sure the helpful UU guy gets the highest preference of any constitutionally unsound candidate.

Agreed. Its a bit like ultra Republicans refusing to take part in British elections, well im afraid any future referendum will only be called if nationalists get enough votes in a "British" assembly election so sitting on ones arse is counter productive.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Franko on January 21, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
And I’m not mixed up in any way, I couldn’t be clearer.  The people in the 3 parties I mentioned didn’t want to know about the issue I had so I ruled out giving them my vote.  I don’t see this as petty at all.  This sort of thing is what we pay elected representatives for and if they don’t act on a request or show an interest in these issues then I won’t vote for them.  And I’ll state this again.  I didn’t vote for a unionist candidate because the constitutional question is quite important to me.  I won’t vote for someone whose views are completely opposed to mine on this.  What’s difficult to understand or unclear about this?

If the constitutional issue is so important to you, then councillors running errands for you should not be superior to this. So you should vote for constitutionally sound candidates first, and then make sure the helpful UU guy gets the highest preference of any constitutionally unsound candidate.

You're twisting my words. I said that the constitutional question was QUITE important to me.  I'e, not so important that I'd refuse the help of a unionist councillor to sort issues pertinent to my livelihood, but important enough that I'd never vote for them.  I don't believe this is an unreasonable position.  Incidentally, the councillor sorted the issue at the request of a third party (mutual friend) who would think more along his lines! I'm not so sure they'd have been as helpful had I approached them directly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on January 22, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
Power base in SF shifting to the Freestate.With Mc Guinness gone and Adams on notice,the North will merely be a branch office of the Dublin power base,and Northern SF voters second class citizens as far as Mary Lou is concerned
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on January 22, 2017, 10:47:36 PM
Power base in SF shifting to the Freestate.With Mc Guinness gone and Adams on notice,the North will merely be a branch office of the Dublin power base,and Northern SF voters second class citizens as far as Mary Lou is concerned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMVQCHgpYmI
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on January 26, 2017, 10:06:56 AM
The DUP have selected Stephen Ross to run in East Antrim.  He's a self employed boiler engineer!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 02, 2017, 02:47:40 PM
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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
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Still pretty depressing reading for nationalists. Even including PBP and nationalist independents/others you are getting about 41% a figure nationaists have been stuck at for some 20 yrs. This demographic time bomb well and truly has been declared a hoax
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on February 02, 2017, 03:18:00 PM
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Still pretty depressing reading for nationalists. Even including PBP and nationalist independents/others you are getting about 41% a figure nationaists have been stuck at for some 20 yrs. This demographic time bomb well and truly has been declared a hoax

Bottom line is always the finance one. Do Northern Nationalists believe that they and their families will be better of in United Ireland or a United Kingdom?
Its grand talking patriotic old shite up in the Felons Club on a Saturday night but what will put the spondulicks in the pocket
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on February 02, 2017, 04:01:02 PM
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It's depressing to think that the DUP vote is affected by just 3% after the corruption surrounding the RHI and the bigoted views of many within the DUP party. In any normal society the vote would be destroyed but the reality is that they can always rely on a sectarian vote count to win them the day. Indeed Foster will probably see it as some form of vindication if she maintains that level of vote come election time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 02, 2017, 04:34:02 PM
The Alliance vote should be broken down by religion
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 03, 2017, 07:11:42 AM
The DUP are very defensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aa1rvdyG-U

compared to the Shinners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3iE_VIqHHk
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 03, 2017, 08:49:37 AM
A good step forward in a PEB for SDLP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5dkjT_bto /url)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 03, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
However, this is possibly the best. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OAezF6Qd6E /url)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2017, 10:35:52 AM
Quote
Still pretty depressing reading for nationalists. Even including PBP and nationalist independents/others you are getting about 41% a figure nationaists have been stuck at for some 20 yrs. This demographic time bomb well and truly has been declared a hoax

nationalists 41% unionists 45% Others 13%
that's how it is going to be, except in the next election it will be nationalists 42% unionists 44% and so on.

the  demographic time bomb is still ticking. The 60+ aged people who are 60% unionist do turn out at elections, the 18-30 group do not turn out as well.

The DUP may lose out on transfers, the UU is a coalition of between true blues and others who might be annoyed both a RHI and Brexit and whose transfer will go to Alliance and the SDLP.

The important thing is that this will reduce the DUP to below 30, so no petitions of concern without others being involved. And there should be clear majority for common sense on Brexit, notwithstanding the looney left.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 03, 2017, 10:39:18 AM
Basically the DUP's mantra is "we're not them" which sadly works for a lot of people but they are a party based on nothing but defensiveness and that is it.

Armaghniac i hope you are right. If the DUP petition of concern numbers could be reduced then that if nothing else will be worth it and it is a massive step. I have my doubts though :-(
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2017, 10:49:16 AM
Don't see any way that the DUP will be below 30
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 03, 2017, 10:51:13 AM
I have my doubts too. That would be massive progress but I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2017, 11:01:28 AM
Don't see any way that the DUP will be below 30

Why not. The number of seats has been reduced to 90, 30 is one-third of that. The DUP have 26% in the poll, seats are not quite proportional to first preferences, you could add a couple of % for the TUV transfers and so on. But it is hard to see them getting 30, I'd say something like 28. IMHO this one of the reasons SF pulled the plug, if the number seats wasn't reduced they wouldn't have bothered.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 03, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Quote
Still pretty depressing reading for nationalists. Even including PBP and nationalist independents/others you are getting about 41% a figure nationaists have been stuck at for some 20 yrs. This demographic time bomb well and truly has been declared a hoax

nationalists 41% unionists 45% Others 13%
that's how it is going to be, except in the next election it will be nationalists 42% unionists 44% and so on.

the  demographic time bomb is still ticking. The 60+ aged people who are 60% unionist do turn out at elections, the 18-30 group do not turn out as well.

The DUP may lose out on transfers, the UU is a coalition of between true blues and others who might be annoyed both a RHI and Brexit and whose transfer will go to Alliance and the SDLP.

The important thing is that this will reduce the DUP to below 30, so no petitions of concern without others being involved. And there should be clear majority for common sense on Brexit, notwithstanding the looney left.
in 10 years it will look very different
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 03, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
Quote
Still pretty depressing reading for nationalists. Even including PBP and nationalist independents/others you are getting about 41% a figure nationaists have been stuck at for some 20 yrs. This demographic time bomb well and truly has been declared a hoax

nationalists 41% unionists 45% Others 13%
that's how it is going to be, except in the next election it will be nationalists 42% unionists 44% and so on.

the  demographic time bomb is still ticking. The 60+ aged people who are 60% unionist do turn out at elections, the 18-30 group do not turn out as well.

The DUP may lose out on transfers, the UU is a coalition of between true blues and others who might be annoyed both a RHI and Brexit and whose transfer will go to Alliance and the SDLP.

The important thing is that this will reduce the DUP to below 30, so no petitions of concern without others being involved. And there should be clear majority for common sense on Brexit, notwithstanding the looney left.

I agree with the logic however we had similar figures 20 yrs ago in fact at one election in the early noughties nationalism hit 45% so it quite clearly is stalling. There must be a hell of a lot of 90 yr old unionists voting. Of course in reality young catholics cant be arsed to vote or are voting for others in much greater numbers than protestants. Funny feeling when the numbers actually happen most so called nationalists wont care. Maybe brexit might give them the kick up the arse they need but not sure rampant sectarianism, racism, homophobia, corruption, incompetence etc etc doesnt seem to bother them so not very hopefull
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 03, 2017, 12:58:27 PM
Are POC's based on a percentage or fixed number?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2017, 01:16:07 PM
Are POC's based on a percentage or fixed number?

The number was fixed at 30 and has not been adjusted when the seats were reduced.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
I agree with the logic however we had similar figures 20 yrs ago in fact at one election in the early noughties nationalism hit 45% so it quite clearly is stalling. There must be a hell of a lot of 90 yr old unionists voting. Of course in reality young catholics cant be arsed to vote or are voting for others in much greater numbers than protestants. Funny feeling when the numbers actually happen most so called nationalists wont care. Maybe brexit might give them the kick up the arse they need but not sure rampant sectarianism, racism, homophobia, corruption, incompetence etc etc doesnt seem to bother them so not very hopefull

The poor turnout is disappointing. However, the 45% was reached in the European election, a first past the post 6 county wide election at a time of marked political progress. The problem with Stormont is that you get much the same regardless of the vote, which is hardly an encouragement to vote. But removing getting the DUP below 30 can lead to some change so is a worthy reason to turn out and vote for everyone else. This issue of pensioners voting is not just an NI thing, it more or less swung the Brexit vote in England. Having nationalist politicians that were some use would help too of course.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Would there still not be a veto as DFM & FM are going to be SF & DUP, in whatever order ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 03, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
Brexit is going to change things because it's the ultra rich in England linking up with their counterparts in the US . and they don't care about Unionism.

"European laws protecting the public interest were portrayed by Conservative Eurosceptics as intolerable intrusions on corporate freedom. Taking back control from Europe means closer integration with the US. The transatlantic special relationship is a special relationship between political and corporate power. That power is cemented by the networks Liam Fox helped to develop."

DUP voters are taken care of in Europe. They won't be under Brexit.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 03, 2017, 03:22:08 PM
Would there still not be a veto as DFM & FM are going to be SF & DUP, in whatever order ?

The only veto they have is to resign.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 07, 2017, 09:56:30 AM
Jonathan Bell is running as an Independent in Strangford.  Will be interesting to see if his "honesty" has much traction with the DUP heads there.;
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: omagh_gael on February 07, 2017, 02:23:49 PM
I'm interested to see how the events in Stormont over the past few months will affect voter turnout. Will it light a fire under people's arses or will it in-fact turn off even more voters?

Had a look through some of the stats in random electoral wards over past three elections. Used the first three wards that came to mind in each 'tradition.' Bear in mind that this isn't a full picture but does highlight why the nationalist vote has stalled over the past ten years. Could this be the election to get the green vote out in much greater numbers or with Arlene 'Crocodile Dundee' Foster's sneering attitude stir up the unionists? Interesting times ahead.

Nationalist dominated areas

West Tyrone

2016 - 59.86%

2011 - 64%

2007 - 71.7%

Drop = 11.84%

Mid ulster

2016 - 58.75%

2011 - 65.35%

2007 - 73.35%

Drop = 14.6%


Newry and Mourne


2016 - 59.32%

2011 - 61.34%

2007 - 70.83%

Drop = 11.51%

Average drop off = 12.65%


Unionist dominated areas

S Antrim

2016 - 51.01%

2011 - 50.06%

2007 - 58.6%

Drop = 7.59%

N Down

2016 - 49.57%

2011 - 45.89%

2007 - 53.77%

Drop = 4.2%

Strangford

2016 - 50.25%

2011 - 48.25%

2007 - 54.5%

Drop = 4.25%

Average drop off = 5.35%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 07, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
Part of the fall in the voter turnout has been caused by the predictability of the PR system in each area.  If your candidates appear to be able to be elected easily on the previous occasion, the voting can be left to the hardcore support.  If your candidate has little or no hope of being elected what's the point in voting.  The inability to change the government is also a factor with the hardcore DUP-SF sectarian voting blocks ensuring that the returned government is unchanged.  The opposition had little time to fully coalesce and present a unit front even though the RHI scandal was a gift.

Arlene only has to play the orange card to turn out her hardcore supporters and those unable to think it out for themselves. So what if £20m per year is added to the money already decided to be paid to the boiler men, its a tiny fraction of the £10bn block grant.  So, just make sure SF are not given the title of FM even though it is a joint office.  In return, SF have played into the DUP hands by ensuring that Adams remains the bogeyman for the unionist voter.  But that suits them because they can play the green card and try to mobilise the core to keep their dominance of nationalist votes.  This in turn causes a drop in the nationalist vote as non-SF voters decide not to bother to vote as the sectarian game means their vote can be meaningless.

All very depressing.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: drillsergeant on February 07, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
Jonathan Bell is running as an Independent in Strangford.  Will be interesting to see if his "honesty" has much traction with the DUP heads there.;

Jonathan Bell running as independent is very interesting, whether he will be elected or not, he will definitely take votes from the DUP, after all he only came out an told the truth. He definitely gain transfers from UUP. My first prediction for Strangford was 3DUP 1UUP 1AP. I think I got that wrong!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 07, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
Jonathan Bell is running as an Independent in Strangford.  Will be interesting to see if his "honesty" has much traction with the DUP heads there.;

Jonathan Bell running as independent is very interesting, whether he will be elected or not, he will definitely take votes from the DUP, after all he only came out an told the truth. He definitely gain transfers from UUP. My first prediction for Strangford was 3DUP 1UUP 1AP. I think I got that wrong!

The other interesting factor in Strangford is that Peter Weir has been "parachuted" in to replace Bell and that the DUP ticket here is McIlveen, Hamilton and Weir, all ministers.  If Bell has a significant impact Weir might lose out.  If the DUP do well then Alliance could get it tight.  It will interesting to see if Independent Jimmy Menagh runs, he got over 1,800 FPs in May.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 09, 2017, 10:58:45 AM
Nominations are now closed. 228 candidates (48 fewer than in May 16) standing for 90 seats.  30% are women (up 3% from last time)

DUP - 38
SF - 34
UUP - 24
SDLP - 21
All - 21
Greens - 18
TUV - 14
Tories - 13
Trots#1 (PBP) - 7
Stickies - 5
Trots #2 (Labour Alternative) - 4
PUP - 3
CISTA - 3
UKIP - 1
Others - 22

West Tyrone, East Derry and East Antrim have 15 candidates each.  Newry & Armagh only 9 going for 5 seats
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on February 09, 2017, 11:25:42 AM
Nominations are now closed. 228 candidates (48 fewer than in May 16) standing for 90 seats.  30% are women (up 3% from last time)

DUP - 38
SF - 34
UUP - 24
SDLP - 21
All - 21
Greens - 18
TUV - 14
Tories - 13
Trots#1 (PBP) - 7
Stickies - 5
Trots #2 (Labour Alternative) - 4
PUP - 3
CISTA - 3
UKIP - 1
Others - 22

West Tyrone, East Derry and East Antrim have 15 candidates each.  Newry & Armagh only 9 going for 5 seats

TUV have 14 - that's funny. 13 people trying to be Jim Allister. I miss Bob "man of integrity" McCartney
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 09, 2017, 11:42:28 AM
Nominations are now closed. 228 candidates (48 fewer than in May 16) standing for 90 seats.  30% are women (up 3% from last time)

DUP - 38
SF - 34
UUP - 24
SDLP - 21
All - 21
Greens - 18
TUV - 14
Tories - 13
Trots#1 (PBP) - 7
Stickies - 5
Trots #2 (Labour Alternative) - 4
PUP - 3
CISTA - 3
UKIP - 1
Others - 22

West Tyrone, East Derry and East Antrim have 15 candidates each.  Newry & Armagh only 9 going for 5 seats

TUV have 14 - that's funny. 13 people trying to be Jim Allister. I miss Bob "man of integrity" McCartney

Shouldnt all those socialists unite the 'labour alterantive people before profit workers party' just rolls off the tongue or LAPBPWP for short or even easier some variation of Sinn Fein just like the good old days
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 09, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Are there any GAA candidates? It often works down South eg Sean Flanagan, Jimmy Deenihan
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 09, 2017, 11:55:09 AM
Are there any GAA candidates? It often works down South eg Sean Flanagan, Jimmy Deenihan

Justin McNulty for the stoops in Newry & Armagh.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 09, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Are there any GAA candidates? It often works down South eg Sean Flanagan, Jimmy Deenihan

I've seen Paul Givan of the DUP knock over a few points at St Patrick's in Lisburn if that counts.

Edit:  As Harold has posted Former Armagh All Ireland winner Justin McNulty is already an MLA in Newry & Armagh and is standing again for the SDLP.  I'm not aware of any other high profile GAA man or woman standing but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on February 09, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Peter Canavan pops up now and again before diving..  off
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 09, 2017, 02:02:59 PM
A deposit of only £150 encourages a wide range of candidates, e.g. West Tyrone, and some return to the field again despite achieving such a small vote in May 2016.

Boyle Michaela Sinn Féin   [4,460   11.5%]
 
Brown Barry Citizens Independent Social Thought Alliance CISTA   [547   1.4%]

Buchanan Thomas DUP  [4,650   12.0%]   (3,884   10.0% Allan Bresland - not standing)

Chittick Charlie TUV

Clarke Alicia UUP  [4,441   11.4%] - (R Hussey vote but not standing this time)

Donnelly Stephen Alliance   [494   1.3%]

French Corey Independent  [124       0.3%]

Lomas Roger Conservatives  [44       0.1%]

McAleer Declan Sinn Féin    [3,565      9.2%]
 
McAnespy Sorcha Independent    [828   2.1%]

McClean Ciaran Green Party        [458   1.2%]
 
McCrossan Daniel  SDLP   [4,287   11.0%]

McElduff Barry Sinn Féin   [4,568   11.8%]
 
McMackin Roisin Independent

White Susan - Anne Independent   [85   0.2%]


In last election but not standing:

Sinn Féin         3,711       9.6%

Independent    1,778   4.6% (Previously SDLP)
Independent      661           1.7% (Previously SDLP)
Animal Welfare Party   224       0.6%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on February 09, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
I see alliance are running a candidate in West Belfast, young, female, Catholic.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 09, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
I see alliance are running a candidate in West Belfast, young, female, Catholic.
No chance in W. Belfast.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 10, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
I see alliance are running a candidate in West Belfast, young, female, Catholic.
No chance in W. Belfast.

Alliance got 291 FPs last May.  She'll probably do better than that in the current climate, but even if she doubles the vote she'll only be neck and neck with the Stickies
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on February 10, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
Fermanagh South Tyrone
12 candidates for the 5 spots.
I would assume SF & DUP 2 each in the bag.

Rosemary Barton, UUP
Noreen Campbell, Alliance Party
Jemma Dolan, Sinn Féin
Richard Dunn, Conservatives
Alex Elliott, TUV
Arlene Foster, DUP
Michelle Gildernew, Sinn Féin
Tanya Jones, Green Party
Sean Lynch, Sinn Féin
Richie McPhillips, SDLP
Maurice Morrow, DUP
Donal Ó Cófaigh, Cross Community Labour Alternative

Would good voter management by SF (usually a strength) get their third candidate in or is the 5th seat likely to come down to the wire with SDLP & UU both in the hunt?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 10, 2017, 11:15:09 AM
I see alliance are running a candidate in West Belfast, young, female, Catholic.
No chance in W. Belfast.

Alliance got 291 FPs last May.  She'll probably do better than that in the current climate, but even if she doubles the vote she'll only be neck and neck with the Stickies

They need to find a guy called Gerry Adams to stand and hope that confuses people in the voting booth.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 10, 2017, 11:18:38 AM
Fermanagh South Tyrone
12 candidates for the 5 spots.
I would assume SF & DUP 2 each in the bag.

Rosemary Barton, UUP
Noreen Campbell, Alliance Party
Jemma Dolan, Sinn Féin
Richard Dunn, Conservatives
Alex Elliott, TUV
Arlene Foster, DUP
Michelle Gildernew, Sinn Féin
Tanya Jones, Green Party
Sean Lynch, Sinn Féin
Richie McPhillips, SDLP
Maurice Morrow, DUP
Donal Ó Cófaigh, Cross Community Labour Alternative

Would good voter management by SF (usually a strength) get their third candidate in or is the 5th seat likely to come down to the wire with SDLP & UU both in the hunt?

Might be a bit too tricky to balance 3 SF but lets hope nationalists turnout AND TRANSFER between themselves to ensure 3rd SF or 1 SDLP over a third unionist. Same goes WT and MU where 4 nationalists are a reality on slightly improved turmout. Same goes for Foyle where no unionists is a possibility and a third nationalist in North Belfast. If nationalist turn out then it could be a very intersting election if they dont then its more of the same
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 10, 2017, 11:20:44 AM
Fermanagh South Tyrone
12 candidates for the 5 spots.
I would assume SF & DUP 2 each in the bag.

Rosemary Barton, UUP
Noreen Campbell, Alliance Party
Jemma Dolan, Sinn Féin
Richard Dunn, Conservatives
Alex Elliott, TUV
Arlene Foster, DUP
Michelle Gildernew, Sinn Féin
Tanya Jones, Green Party
Sean Lynch, Sinn Féin
Richie McPhillips, SDLP
Maurice Morrow, DUP
Donal Ó Cófaigh, Cross Community Labour Alternative

Would good voter management by SF (usually a strength) get their third candidate in or is the 5th seat likely to come down to the wire with SDLP & UU both in the hunt?

My analysis posted on a different thread:

Turnout as ever will be key here.  Last May it was 64.5%.  Based on a similar turnout this time the quota would be 9,435.  SF got 18,847 FP in May (due to a balls up in the selection process they ran 4 candidates for 3 seats and this allowed McPhillips of SDLP to nick Phil Flanagan's seat).  So it looks like SF have 2 quotas.  McPhillips of SDLP was elected on transfers without reaching the quota and with 4,014 FPs you'd think it'll be tough for him to reach the quota if turnout is the same or falls.

DUP got 15,403 FPs in May so I'd guess Foster and Morrow are pretty safe.

UUP had 6,028 FPs and Rosemary Barton took a seat.  There was a major fall out between her and her running mate and he later jumped ship to the DUP and it remains to be seen if his supporters turn out for her.

Transfers look key here and there's no love lost between SF and SDLP in these parts and transfers between the two are low.  Greens might make some head way with about 900 FPs last time and local Socialist Donal O Cofaigh is popular on the street and it remains to be seen if he will dent SF or SDLP.  TUV are running Alex Elliott (think he's a cousin of Tom), a former RUC man and even by TUV standards a hardliner!  Again will he pick up many DUP votes??

Looks like 2 SF, 2 DUP and an almighty scrap for the last seat.  I'm going to stick my neck out and say if SF get any sort of bounce then Jemma Dolan could nick it.  She's from Belleek and will poll well in that end of the constituency.  I think Barton (UUP) is facing an uphill task.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: The Trap on February 10, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
I WILL VOTE FOR EVERY PARTY APART FROM THE TWO IN GOVERNMENT WHO HAVE MADE A BALLS OF THE THING!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Stall the Bailer on February 10, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
Maybe wishful thinking. The DUP are 3k under 2 quotas. If they don't split their vote well could they be under a bit of trouble to get two elected ST/F?
With rhi hopefully their 1st preferences and transfers take a hit. An increased turnout would also add more pressure on them.
All of which probably won't happen though. Get out vote folks.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 10, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
I have said it elsewhere even the smallest pick up in turnout would be hugely significant for nationalism. Suddenly 4 seats in WT and MU are possible, 3 in FST and NB and in Foyle McCann could get in at the expense of the DUP even a 4th nationalist in Nerwy and Armagh isnt impossible and such a result would have Unioinism and Nationalism on about the same number of seats unfortunately too many cant be bothered or say they are all as bad as each other well they are not so make the difference and vote!!!!!! Stormont might not be back for a very long time but the more seats and vote% the bigger the mandate the more clout at negotaitions or just sit at home fingers crossed hoping that everything will be alright in the end
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Stall the Bailer on February 10, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
If you are on WhatsApp group or the likes, encourage everyone on it, to get out and vote.
If you have training on that week, make sure the management has iton the Thursday night, so everyone is home to vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 10, 2017, 12:22:36 PM
And use ye're feckin preferences!!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 10, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
I have said it elsewhere even the smallest pick up in turnout would be hugely significant for nationalism. Suddenly 4 seats in WT and MU are possible, 3 in FST and NB and in Foyle McCann could get in at the expense of the DUP even a 4th nationalist in Nerwy and Armagh isnt impossible and such a result would have Unioinism and Nationalism on about the same number of seats unfortunately too many cant be bothered or say they are all as bad as each other well they are not so make the difference and vote!!!!!! Stormont might not be back for a very long time but the more seats and vote% the bigger the mandate the more clout at negotaitions or just sit at home fingers crossed hoping that everything will be alright in the end

This is true, the willingness of Unionists to transfer among Unionist parties if they're supposed to detest each other, nicks them a few extra seats
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 10, 2017, 12:49:13 PM
If anyone saw Michelle O'Neill on The View last night, the SF strategy is pretty clear.  If they're returned as the second biggest party then they're not going to accept Foster as FM while the public inquiry is going on and they're going to go straight to the Westminster government to negotiate on legacy, language etc.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 10, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
SF letting themselves down each time as they have no notion of the cost of an Irish Language Act.  If McCausland can come up with his illogical estimate extrapolated from Welsh Councils surely someone in SF has enough numeracy to match him with a cost and the leadership should be brave enough to say the Act will cost £millions but it is important to implement.  No one in SF has been up to this so far and McCausland has carried the argument.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 11, 2017, 09:14:27 PM
Was at Mass tonight in Lurgan,and tracts were handed out to all attendees inside the chapel outlining each political  party's policy on abortion and urging people to vote for avid pro life parties like the DUP and TUV.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on February 11, 2017, 09:17:09 PM
If you are on WhatsApp group or the likes, encourage everyone on it, to get out and vote.
If you have training on that week, make sure the management has iton the Thursday night, so everyone is home to vote.

Benny get the word out to hardy and the lads. ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on February 11, 2017, 09:17:56 PM
And use ye're feckin preferences!!

There will be a United Ireland by easter.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 11, 2017, 09:52:04 PM
Was at Mass tonight in Lurgan,and tracts were handed out to all attendees inside the chapel outlining each political  party's policy on abortion and urging people to vote for avid pro life parties like the DUP and TUV.

Disgraceful on 2 counts.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 11, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 11, 2017, 10:25:44 PM
I'm totally against abortion but vote for parties/individuals based on the whole package.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on February 11, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

anyone who votes based on religion is retarded!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 12:01:46 AM
Not if you believe your eternal destiny depends on it
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 12, 2017, 12:23:50 AM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion
I'd like to hope the governing parties of Northern Ireland aren't responsible for my eternal destiny, and it is more about the choices I make myself.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Windmill abu on February 12, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

But they are happy to take guidance from the people who carried out, and covered up, child sex abuse.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 12, 2017, 01:25:53 AM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

But they are happy to take guidance from the people who carried out, and covered up, child sex abuse.

Not true, as  you well know.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 06:44:05 AM
Rois there are no choices when it comes to Church Doctrine.Failure to follow it defies God's Word
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: bennydorano on February 12, 2017, 07:56:03 AM
Sure wasn't it made embarrassingly clear by Take Yer Points (?)  that you weren't overly clear on the Doctrine either?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2017, 08:14:42 AM
FFS Tony, vote DUP if you wish. You say they are all nice to you and all that. You're not exactly enamoured to the thought of a United Ireland either and sure they tick your 'moral' boxes. Just saying...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
Irish Language Act is a classic diversionary tactic used by DUP and SF to disguise their joint failure to deliver on things that really matter
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 12, 2017, 09:29:17 AM
Rois there are no choices when it comes to Church Doctrine.Failure to follow it defies God's Word
We've had this argument before and you never answered me on why it is acceptable to you to follow a soccer team who blatantly breach the Sabbath doctrine, as well as compel many many others to do the same in service of the games. Same for Sunday visits to Croke Park, do you boycott those? Hypocrisy if you pick and choose.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on February 12, 2017, 09:44:50 AM
And the fish on a Friday thing, the holy days of obligation, the purgatory thing etc etc.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
It is not the same.Keeping Holy on the Sabbath does not preclude innocuous recreational activity.But abortion issue is black and white.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 12, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion
If all parties were pro-abortion, Catholics can't vote?
Unionists missed a trick there.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 12, 2017, 10:11:19 AM
It is not the same.Keeping Holy on the Sabbath does not preclude innocuous recreational activity.But abortion issue is black and white.
No no no, others have to work so you can enjoy your recreational activity. By engaging in it you are condoning people going against church doctrine.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 12:32:35 PM
I interpret keeping holy as attending Mass,there is no insinuation whatsoever in this commandment to avoid work or any other harmless or non sinful activity which can be carried out while one maintains holiness status.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 12, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
I interpret
There we go
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 12, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
Sure wasn't it made embarrassingly clear by Take Your Points that you weren't overly clear on the Doctrine either?


As became abundantly clear in a previous thread, Tony is more religiously comfortable in a Protestant denominational version of Christianity, his God is an angry God demanding repentance and his Church demands obedience from all members to its strict biblical rather than Gospel message.  In Tony's Church there is no scope for the individual to use their freewill to decide on their own behaviours and where they do then repentance is required. 

Whereas in the Gospels are provided as guidelines to moral behaviour and individuals must deal with the freewill they have been given, they should love one another and forgive and be forgiven when things go wrong.

In terms of voting, the pro-abortion stance of some parties is being used as a reason for some groups to give moral guidance about how an individual should cast his/her ballot in the coming election and this can be OK except it becomes a narrow view.  They are saying it is OK to vote DUP or TUV as anti-abortion parties as alternatives to others supporting abortion but this ignores the facts that both parties are happy to bring back capital punishment, it is Ok to waste the earth's resources, it is OK to run hate campaigns against their fellow countrymen, I could go on and on.  To vote from a Christian standpoint needs to be for the greatest good.  Remember that in the end it is the individual who decides to avail of the facilities and legality to have an abortion and not the political parties.

It is impossible to vote purely on black and white moral terms and the consequence is not to vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 01:26:37 PM
I think you will find that it is the core doctrine of all Christian churches that hell awaits those who sin seriously and repeatedly without repentance.On a lot of issues there is no scope for freewill,it is black and white
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 12, 2017, 04:56:21 PM
I think you will find that it is the core doctrine of all Christian churches that hell awaits those who sin seriously and repeatedly without repentance.On a lot of issues there is no scope for freewill,it is black and white

There is always scope for freewill, God provided all humans with freewill and the ability to use it. Freewill is the power to act at one's own discretion without constraint of necessity or fate.

Everyone has freewill but everyone must accept the consequences of using their freewill.  In using our freewill within the Catholic faith we have the guidance of the teaching of Jesus as expounded by the Gospels.

In reference to hell, you will only find some references to it in Matthew's gospel but these references are due to the English translation of the original Hebrew script and was carried out by classical scholars who related to Hades. Jesus rarely referred to hell and when he did it was using a Hebrew word - Gehenna which was the place outside Jerusalem where rubbish was dumped and burnt.  This was a reference included for the Jews of the time and not a reference to the Hell being used by Tony.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 12, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Fair play to mike he is goibg to tranfer to SDLP before other unionist parties

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 12, 2017, 07:31:52 PM
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tubberman on February 12, 2017, 07:35:27 PM
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.

Don't worry, you'll be dead by time the consequences come into it
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 12, 2017, 07:41:07 PM
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.


That is exactly the point that I have made in response to your statement that:

"there is no scope for freewill"

The consequence depends on the range of interpretations that are made of the guidance provided in the Gospels rather than in the biblical scripture of the Old Testament which is preferred by you and the Protestant Christian denominations where God is to be feared rather than loved and he is a God of retribution rather than having love for each person and always forgiving when people are human and fail to reach the ideals set out in the Gospels.



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 12, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
Any other opinion polls? Apart from Tony's opinions on religious teaching?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 12, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
SluggeroToole Discussion (http://sluggerotoole.com/2017/02/12/forecasting-the-2017-assembly-election/)
This is a result of a simulation of transfers.

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another guy has looked at this looking at interactions, i.e. if both DUP and UU are 0.8 if one gets it the other is much less likely to so.
on this basis
27 DUP (Max 28, Min 25)
22 SF (Max 26, Min 20)
16 UUP (Max 17, Min 14)
10 SDLP (Max 11, Min 7)
8 Alliance (Max 10 Min 8)
3 PBPA (Max 3, Min 3)
2 Green (Max 2, Min 2)
1 Ind U (Max 1, Min 0)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2017, 08:59:12 PM
I think you will find that it is the core doctrine of all Christian churches that hell awaits those who sin seriously and repeatedly without repentance.On a lot of issues there is no scope for freewill,it is black and white
Protestants don't agree with Catholic doctrine and the Pope is infallible. How can Protestants go to heaven?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: heganboy on February 13, 2017, 04:15:36 AM
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

none of the 6 left will vote at all
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: heganboy on February 13, 2017, 04:35:05 AM
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.

and by the way, to which scripture do you adhere, and how's your Aramaic?

And despite your whack job selective absolutism you will of course be aware that your new pope gave all priests the right to forgiveness for abortion in the sacrament of penance and the remittance of the penalty of excommunication.

Thats not even touching the delayed animation concept, where the church believed that a should din't inhabit a fetus immediately (with the spectacular bias justifiable by only those who believe God makes them special, that's 40 days for a male fetus and 90 for the female in case you cared)  and so early term abortions were a whole other kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 13, 2017, 09:20:59 AM
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.
Is this why the Holocaust happened? A lot of Orthodox Jews think so.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 13, 2017, 09:55:46 AM
Back on subject...

Mike TV says he's going to transfer his vote to the SDLP.  Danny Kennedy says he's transferring to the DUP.  Interesting move by Nesbitt.  Though he represents Strangford he lives in East Belfast.  He'll be voting Allen no 1 and presumably Seamas De Faoite no 2.  Last year the SDLP got 141 FPs and were eliminated at the 2nd or 3rd count and Allen wasn't elected till count 12.

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.  Judging by Twitter, the DUP regard this as a major faux pas.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 13, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
Was at Mass tonight in Lurgan,and tracts were handed out to all attendees inside the chapel outlining each political  party's policy on abortion and urging people to vote for avid pro life parties like the DUP and TUV.

Mass on a Saturday night, what modernist deviation this is from the lords holy book and doctrine?

Devout Catholics always go to mass on the Sunday as it is Gods will.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Seany on February 13, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Here is the latest in the weird and wonderful world of six county politics.
SF pulled down the gov because of alleged corruption.  All they had been asking for is for Arlene Foster to stand aside for four weeks.  The UUP said SF were soft because, they were asking for her resignation.  So now we have an election.

This is where the SDLP come in.  In an attempt to stop SF, they and the UUP have been costing up to each other.  COlm Eastwood spoke at their conference.  ANd they have been bigging up all the wondrous things they would do if they got into the executive, so apparently it would make sense for them to be in together.  Until you factor in the following;

SDLP and UUP disagree on the exact same things a as SF DUP disagreed on.
Irish Language Act
Legacy issues
Brexit
Welfare reform
Education SDLP anto selection, UUP pro selection
Even the new A6 Road, UUP against it because it is a fenian road and SDLP for it.

Add in to this the fact that at Westminster elections, the unionists close ranks like an orange lodge to stop themmuns getting in (it took a TUV, DUP, UUP pact to keep Naomi Long of ALLIANCE out of Westminster because she stood up to the bully boys of the flag protests)
They also had pacts in Femanagh south Tyrone, Newry and Armagh and North Belfast to stop nationalists getting in. They will always come together like this for Westminster elections, just in case a Catholic might get in.

Now Danny Kennedy has issued a statement disagreeing with Mike Nesbitt regarding transfers.  Nesbitt only said that he himself would transfer to an SDLP candidate but didn't ask anyone else to do so.  Kennedy said he wanted his voters to transfer to WIlliam Irwin, a DUP man with family links to RHI.

And the SDLP refuse to get into a Westminster pact with SF to oppose this sheer bigotry.

It's not as if the SDLP have a strong hand to play. Margaret Ritchie gets in in South Down because Unionists vote for her to keep the SF person out, so she spouts pro unionist nonsense whenever she can. The Derry seat will probably go to SF when Mark Durkan goes. SOuth Belfast is going anyway at the next election. Alastair got in by the skin of his teeth with the lowest vote of any MP, just over 9000.

However, the net result of the SDLP 'principled stand' is Tom ELliot in Fermanagh south Tyrone and Nigel Dodds in north Belfast.  There is also a nationalist majority in Upper Bann. 

The SDLP really take me to the fair. If they listened for one moment to the nationalist electorate, they would hear loud and clear what they want and dont want. We dont want bigots getting in when we can stop it. You would imagine that this latest kick in the teeth from unionism would make them wake up and see reality, but no. Their campaign is all about anti SF, and not calling out unionism for what it is. There is nothing sectarian about two parties who wish to see a united Ireland working together for the betterment of its electorate. For some reason they think there is.

Meanwhile, the unionists will mind each other, look out for each other and nationalism will continue to stay at home.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 14, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
Hunniford from Alliance putting his foot in it and upsetting the Unionists;

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/alliance-official-steps-down-amid-fury-at-unionists-bred-to-hate-catholics-comment-35444963.html
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2017, 11:36:19 AM
All he had to do was put "many" before Unionists. ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 14, 2017, 05:01:11 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on February 14, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on February 14, 2017, 05:26:02 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?

Yes
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 14, 2017, 06:27:57 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?

Its 52% of nationalists in WT vote and  65% of unionists vote showing the general apathy of nationalists right across northern ireland
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 14, 2017, 06:40:42 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?
;D
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 14, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Jordy mcKeag official LAD/notorious barrick boys candidate east belfast vote early vote often
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 14, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
Some discussion here
https://bangordub.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/2017-assembly-election-fahas-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11245

including this table, which shows the importance of nationalists getting off their arses.

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West Tyrone

Nationalist 52%
Unionist 65%

Total - 117%

Am I missing something obvious here?
You're better than this Ziggy.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 14, 2017, 08:50:22 PM
Get out and vote ye hoors.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 14, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
Get out and vote ye hoors.
I have a black taxi taking me to West Belfast after work on 2nd March.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on February 14, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
I'm tired. Not forgivable though.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 14, 2017, 09:09:31 PM
I wonder what foster's angle is with the petition of concern thing. Must think that could lose the dup votes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 14, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
I will be voting but lets say a miracle happens and SF are voted in as the largest party what do people think would happen....thats right straight to direct rule thats what. Unionists will never accept a nationalist majority and that is why a shared government will never work here.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 14, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
I will be voting but lets say a miracle happens and SF are voted in as the largest party what do people think would happen....thats right straight to direct rule thats what. Unionists will never accept a nationalist majority and that is why a shared government will never work here.

SF being the biggest party is unlikely, and IMHO would not be helpful at this point. I think a period when unionists do not have a majority and the balance of power is held by Alliance/Greens etc would be less likely to break the whole thing.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on February 14, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 14, 2017, 11:45:42 PM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?

With the reduction in the number of seats, she is quite likely to end up with the less than the 30 required for the POC. Removing it means the Taigs can't use it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on February 15, 2017, 07:32:20 AM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?

With the reduction in the number of seats, she is quite likely to end up with the less than the 30 required for the POC. Removing it means the Taigs can't use it.

By removing it means unionists (dup + few) won't be able to use it either though.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dire Ear on February 15, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?

With the reduction in the number of seats, she is quite likely to end up with the less than the 30 required for the POC. Removing it means the Taigs can't use it.

By removing it means unionists (dup + few) won't be able to use it either though.
How can it be removed ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 15, 2017, 10:45:02 AM
If they really wanted to they could remove it.

Possibly right Armaghniac. Maybe a bit of fear.

If the DUP get in it is the same as SF as they won't with with foster as first minister so basically whoever is voted in there is still a likelihood of direct rule I'd have thought.

Unless UUP or SDLP surprise us but that is very very unlikely.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: leenie on February 15, 2017, 10:46:43 AM
I discovered yesterday that my name had been removed from the voting register, I was made aware of it and had up to 5pm to get register.. but I don't know why I was removed as I always vote? Anyone know why
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 15, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
I discovered yesterday that my name had been removed from the voting register, I was made aware of it and had up to 5pm to get register.. but I don't know why I was removed as I always vote? Anyone know why
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27655.0
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 15, 2017, 10:52:18 AM
 A major failure.  (http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/02/15/news/sinn-fe-in-irish-language-election-poster-contains-spelling-mistake-932439 /url)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 15, 2017, 10:56:25 AM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?

With the reduction in the number of seats, she is quite likely to end up with the less than the 30 required for the POC. Removing it means the Taigs can't use it.

It would seem they're predicting their numbers at less than 30, trying to get credit for giving up something they're fairly sure to lose anyway.

POC itself not necessarily a bad thing, just DUP abuse of it has been.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: leenie on February 15, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
I discovered yesterday that my name had been removed from the voting register, I was made aware of it and had up to 5pm to get register.. but I don't know why I was removed as I always vote? Anyone know why
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27655.0

I don't even understand that thread
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: illdecide on February 15, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
I've been a SF voter all my life and TBH now and over that last few years i'm really (couldn't give a f**k)not bothered. If i'm really honest i have probably voted for SF to counter act DUP voters more than what SF can do for me. So question is where do we go from here? I'm asking myself the same questions...Don't want them bigoted DUP hoors to get in and will my SF vote make any difference to NI politics as SF and DUP will just get voted in again as the 2 largest parties and back to the status quo...Where does this all end?

I know this would never happen but what about SF and SDLP doing a secret deal with each other (the day b4 the votes...or is that not possible) and merge parties before the other side has the time to do the same and sweep up...lol. In all seriousness this country is f**ked up and will take another 2-3 generations to sort out...i'll certainly not see it in my time.

So who do i vote for (if any)?

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Lazer on February 15, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
I've been a SF voter all my life and TBH now and over that last few years i'm really (couldn't give a f**k)not bothered. If i'm really honest i have probably voted for SF to counter act DUP voters more than what SF can do for me. So question is where do we go from here? I'm asking myself the same questions...Don't want them bigoted DUP hoors to get in and will my SF vote make any difference to NI politics as SF and DUP will just get voted in again as the 2 largest parties and back to the status quo...Where does this all end?

I know this would never happen but what about SF and SDLP doing a secret deal with each other (the day b4 the votes...or is that not possible) and merge parties before the other side has the time to do the same and sweep up...lol. In all seriousness this country is f**ked up and will take another 2-3 generations to sort out...i'll certainly not see it in my time.

So who do i vote for (if any)?

The turnout in the last assembly election was 54% - this all ends when the other 45% get out and vote!

Vote sensibly and use the transfers.

Many of those not voting are the ones disillusioned with politics, and are tired of the tribal politics. However the non voters are actually the majority - if every non voter voted for one of the non mainstream parties, we could actually see some changes!

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 15, 2017, 03:52:46 PM
What does Foster hope to achieve by her comments today on POC?

I would have thought her hardcore supporter base would have approved of her party's use of POC in the past, and the likelihood of using it again. Is she anticipating a reduced majority in the future government set up & putting the cart before the horse?

With the reduction in the number of seats, she is quite likely to end up with the less than the 30 required for the POC. Removing it means the Taigs can't use it.

Yep.  If we can't abuse it then no one will.  The DUP were against the POC at the start as they saw it as a mechanism where Nats could block discriminatory legislation.  As soon as they realised it could be used to cover their backsides and protect cronies it became a great thing so.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 15, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
DUP voters flying the Butcher's apron as usual.
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UU  voters going to transfer centreward, if not all the to DUP. This could put some DUP seats under pressure.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 07:29:08 PM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 15, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on February 15, 2017, 08:18:07 PM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF
I might do too.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF
I might do too.

I think some (a lot?) of SDLP voters with an abhorrence of any links to violence would rather vote for the DUP than SF. First motion in any nationalist organisation being the split and all that comes into effect also.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on February 15, 2017, 09:27:41 PM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF
I might do too.

I think some (a lot?) of SDLP voters with an abhorrence of any links to violence would rather vote for the DUP than SF. First motion in any nationalist organisation being the split and all that comes into effect also.

No, forced to decide I'd always have SF over DUP and the DUP ahead of TUV. I believe in the moderates and the lesser of two ills.

This is probably the first election ever where I'd favour UUP over SF for a 2nd preference vote but that was the days before a formal opposition at Stormont and the evidence that some UUP voters would vote SDLP ahead of DUP. As the old adage tells us "My enemy's enemy is my friend."
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: oakleaflad on February 15, 2017, 09:45:13 PM
I'm seriously considering ditching the main parties and voting Green or Independent. If someone set up a common sense party tomorrow I would vote for them. Some amount of people do nothing but complain and then vote the same people/parties in time and time again.

On a separate note I don't think I could ever transfer to either UP. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: The Trap on February 15, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Common sense party.......if only........don't think I will bother voting and I hate saying that......can't see anything other than the status quo as the alternatives aren't having a good campaign. .....Just pAy my taxes sit back and watch them being squandered.......
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on February 15, 2017, 10:10:03 PM
Don't see how anyone could vote Unionist ahead of SF/DUP. If you find violence abhorrent vote for a party of pacifists (that would exclude the main four). Personally would vote Greens if they stood in my constituency which they don't so I vote SF
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 15, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
It's all gone very quiet on RHI. Shinners working a wee backroom deal with the DUP?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on February 15, 2017, 11:05:57 PM
Why such apathy for alliance. If you want a move away from non sectarian politics then surely alliance would suffice as move in the right direction.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 16, 2017, 12:01:56 AM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF

+1
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 16, 2017, 12:14:15 AM
It's quite simple.  If you believe that the government parties of DUP-SF have been doing a poor job over the period of the last 10 years, 5 years or 8 months then vote for the opposition parties in the way you believe that will be best to work against DUP-SF.  DUP-SF have largely controlled the government even when other parties took one of the ministries allocated to them because both parties controlled the purse strings and turned funding on or off to the minority parties as they decided, e.g. McGimpsey suffered in Health and Kennedy was destroyed in what is now Infrastructure.  DUP-SF fed their own ministries as they wanted with additional funding from the funding reviews each 4 months and starved the others. So DUP-SF have to be considered as a block and the government. So, if you want to change government vote in a way that could make change if enough others put some thought into the use of their voting pattern in each constituency.

This voting preference will depend on your constituency.  Nesbitt and Eastwood should have been giving this clear advice to the voters.  Vote management in this election across the opposition parties will allow a small chip away from the DUP-SF block and give encouragement to electors in future elections.  First issue to address is turnout.  Strong performances by DUP-SF are discouraging turnout as voters see no hope of effecting change and take the easy option of not voting.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 16, 2017, 09:32:19 AM
To be fair, how many SF voters (or SDLP voters for that matter) that are going to transfer are going to have a unionist as their second preference?
I'll have the UUP before SF

Presumably you'll be supporting a DUP/UUP "keep themmuns out" pact at the next Westminster election??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 16, 2017, 09:39:57 AM
It's all gone very quiet on RHI. Shinners working a wee backroom deal with the DUP?

BBC have all the names and the claims amounts according to Nolan radio show this morning.  RHA trying to get an injunction to stop them naming them.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
It's quite simple.  If you believe that the government parties of DUP-SF have been doing a poor job over the period of the last 10 years, 5 years or 8 months then vote for the opposition parties in the way you believe that will be best to work against DUP-SF.  DUP-SF have largely controlled the government even when other parties took one of the ministries allocated to them because both parties controlled the purse strings and turned funding on or off to the minority parties as they decided, e.g. McGimpsey suffered in Health and Kennedy was destroyed in what is now Infrastructure.  DUP-SF fed their own ministries as they wanted with additional funding from the funding reviews each 4 months and starved the others. So DUP-SF have to be considered as a block and the government. So, if you want to change government vote in a way that could make change if enough others put some thought into the use of their voting pattern in each constituency.

This voting preference will depend on your constituency.  Nesbitt and Eastwood should have been giving this clear advice to the voters.  Vote management in this election across the opposition parties will allow a small chip away from the DUP-SF block and give encouragement to electors in future elections.  First issue to address is turnout.  Strong performances by DUP-SF are discouraging turnout as voters see no hope of effecting change and take the easy option of not voting.

Ordinarily, there is a lot to be said for this analysis. However, IMHO Brexit does not make this ordinary times. While May and Brokenshire will not give a veto to the Assembly, there is no doubt that their job is made easier if the Assembly cannot manage to actually agree that there is a problem. Consequently, I think it is important to have a majority in the Assembly to reflect majority opinion that some sort of special deal for NI is essential to reflect its geography.  The UU identified Brexit as threat to peace in the referendum, but have now plumped for flying the fleg and have supported it every since, without qualification. The PBP treated the whole thing like a debate in QUB, rather than as a serious political issue and you now have McCann hypocritically sounding off about the border when he supported Brexit despite everyone telling him this might happen. SF did not campaign re Brexit and haven't a great record on EU matters, but at least they seem tuned in at this stage. So I think people should first and foremost vote for an Assembly that will at least oppose a non agreed Brexit and this is worth turning out to vote for. So SF/SDLP-Alliance-Greens and only then UU.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 16, 2017, 09:58:27 AM
DUP spent less than £90,000 on the Assembly Election last May but spent £250,000 on Brexit campaign

http://sluggerotoole.com/2017/02/16/where-did-the-dup-get-250k-for-that-brexit-metro-wrap-around-answer-ni-law-says-they-dont-have-to-tell-us/

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 16, 2017, 10:27:55 AM

SF did not campaign re Brexit and haven't a great record on EU matters, but at least they seem tuned in at this stage.

Not only did they not campaign against Brexit but they failed to collect £10,000 by not registering as a party campaigning against the exit from the EU and this was highlighted yesterday in the Dail.

Not campaigning against Brexit will soon become apparent as an own goal by SF.  It will results in a continuing fall in the turnout of their previous voters.  It was an opportunity to get on the doorsteps to explain their case and mobilise their support.  Apathy is growing fast.  A successful referendum campaign would have provided a proper slap for their DUP partners and brought in a result similar to Scotland.  It could have given a springboard now for a further campaign against the DUP. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 16, 2017, 11:22:58 AM
Whats this all about then?

'Sinn Féin to campaign against Brexit in EU referendum'
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-to-campaign-against-brexit-in-eu-referendum-1.2476720

And this?

'Sinn Féin launches campaign against UK Brexit'
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0603/793106-brexit-campaign/

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 11:27:08 AM
DUP spent less than £90,000 on the Assembly Election last May but spent £250,000 on Brexit campaign

http://sluggerotoole.com/2017/02/16/where-did-the-dup-get-250k-for-that-brexit-metro-wrap-around-answer-ni-law-says-they-dont-have-to-tell-us/

THis flow of money to the DUP is very suspicious, none of the money they spent was their own.

Whats this all about then?

'Sinn Féin to campaign against Brexit in EU referendum'
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-to-campaign-against-brexit-in-eu-referendum-1.2476720

And this?

'Sinn Féin launches campaign against UK Brexit'
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0603/793106-brexit-campaign/

None the less they did not register as a party for the Brexit compaign and get the £10,000 available.
They also didn't really put the work in on the ground, as evidenced by turnout.



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 16, 2017, 11:30:44 AM
Whether or not they collected £10k, or the effectiveness of their campaign are both moot points - the statement was that they didn't campaign against Brexit - the sources I've quoted say they did. Which is it?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 16, 2017, 11:58:34 AM
Have you ever heard the term, lip-service? 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 16, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 16, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
It's quite simple.  If you believe that the government parties of DUP-SF have been doing a poor job over the period of the last 10 years, 5 years or 8 months then vote for the opposition parties in the way you believe that will be best to work against DUP-SF.  DUP-SF have largely controlled the government even when other parties took one of the ministries allocated to them because both parties controlled the purse strings and turned funding on or off to the minority parties as they decided, e.g. McGimpsey suffered in Health and Kennedy was destroyed in what is now Infrastructure.  DUP-SF fed their own ministries as they wanted with additional funding from the funding reviews each 4 months and starved the others. So DUP-SF have to be considered as a block and the government. So, if you want to change government vote in a way that could make change if enough others put some thought into the use of their voting pattern in each constituency.

This voting preference will depend on your constituency.  Nesbitt and Eastwood should have been giving this clear advice to the voters.  Vote management in this election across the opposition parties will allow a small chip away from the DUP-SF block and give encouragement to electors in future elections.  First issue to address is turnout.  Strong performances by DUP-SF are discouraging turnout as voters see no hope of effecting change and take the easy option of not voting.

Ordinarily, there is a lot to be said for this analysis. However, IMHO Brexit does not make this ordinary times. While May and Brokenshire will not give a veto to the Assembly, there is no doubt that their job is made easier if the Assembly cannot manage to actually agree that there is a problem. Consequently, I think it is important to have a majority in the Assembly to reflect majority opinion that some sort of special deal for NI is essential to reflect its geography.  The UU identified Brexit as threat to peace in the referendum, but have now plumped for flying the fleg and have supported it every since, without qualification. The PBP treated the whole thing like a debate in QUB, rather than as a serious political issue and you now have McCann hypocritically sounding off about the border when he supported Brexit despite everyone telling him this might happen. SF did not campaign re Brexit and haven't a great record on EU matters, but at least they seem tuned in at this stage. So I think people should first and foremost vote for an Assembly that will at least oppose a non agreed Brexit and this is worth turning out to vote for. So SF/SDLP-Alliance-Greens and only then UU.
It's not just Brexit that make it not Business as usual.
The economic system is dying. The UK is one of the most heavily exposed economies to the dying system so the upheaval is amongst the greatest. 

https://mronline.org/2006/06/19/on-neoliberalism-an-interview-with-david-harvey/
"SL: You write that a fundamental feature of neoliberalism is the disciplining and disempowerment of the working class.  Paul Volcker, who headed up the Federal Reserve first under Carter and then under Reagan, played a pivotal role in doing this in the United States.  Describe for us the conditions in the US in the 1970s -- the array of class forces, so to speak, at that time -- and how Paul Volcker played a crucial role in shifting the balance of power.
, that is, the loss of manufacturing jobs.  It was a slow process and in many areas of.  What Paul Volcker did in 1979 was to reverse that, to say, we're no longer interested in full employment; what we're interested in is control of inflation.  He brought inflation down quite savagely in about three or four years, but in the process he generated massive unemployment.  And massive unemployment of course was disempowering for workers and at the same time the deindustrialization that I mentioned accelerated.  So there was quite a massive loss of industrial jobs, manufacturing jobs, in the early 1980s.  And of course that means less union power.  If you close down the shipyards and the steel industry lays off people, then you have fewer people in the unions.  The loss of jobs in the unionized sector disempowered the unions at the same time unemployment was rising; unemployment disciplines the labor force to accept lower paying jobs if necessary.  So Volcker's shift away from full employment strategy at the Federal Reserve to control inflation, no matter what the impact on unemployment, was a major shift in public policy and which we stil implement.

 I think what happened in the 1970s is that when the neoliberal move came in, the idea erupted that, okay, neoliberalism will give you individual liberty and freedom, but you just have to forget social justice and you just have to forget environmental sustainability and all the rest of it.  Just think about individual liberty and freedom in particular, and we're going to meet your desires and your interests through the individual liberties of market choice -- freedom of the market is what it's all about.  In a sense, there was a response by neoliberals to the sixties movement by saying, we can respond to that aspect about what the sixties was about, but we cannot respond to that other aspect.  And I think therefore what we see is a movement in the 1970s where many people who were active in the 1960s were co-opted into the neoliberal train of thinking and neoliberal ways of consumerism as part of how neoliberalization established itself.  It is a very broad way of looking at it, but I tend to think that that is what happened.  That then leaves us with the question right now, what are we going to do about  social justice, what are we going to do about equality, what are we are going to do about environmental sustainability, all those things that neoliberalism cannot confront.  "
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 01:56:41 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.

This is all very fine, but NIs would have been supported by the high remain vote, which it did not get largely because SF voters did not bother to vote. We are now in a very dangerous period and it isn't clear if SF have a good plan to ensure the border is at Cairnryan and not Culloville.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JohnDenver on February 16, 2017, 02:12:48 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.

This is all very fine, but NIs would have been supported by the high remain vote, which it did not get largely because SF voters did not bother to vote. We are now in a very dangerous period and it isn't clear if SF have a good plan to ensure the border is at Cairnryan and not Culloville.

Where can the evidence of this be found?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 02:32:56 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.

This is all very fine, but NIs would have been supported by the high remain vote, which it did not get largely because SF voters did not bother to vote. We are now in a very dangerous period and it isn't clear if SF have a good plan to ensure the border is at Cairnryan and not Culloville.

Where can the evidence of this be found?

West Belfast had the lowest turnout of any constituency in the UK and two thirds of people there vote SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 16, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
I will be voting but lets say a miracle happens and SF are voted in as the largest party what do people think would happen....thats right straight to direct rule thats what. Unionists will never accept a nationalist majority and that is why a shared government will never work here.

SF being the biggest party is unlikely, and IMHO would not be helpful at this point. I think a period when unionists do not have a majority and the balance of power is held by Alliance/Greens etc would be less likely to break the whole thing.
There is the crux it would not be helpful lest it offend unionist sensibilities, ffs it is time unionists wised up to the notion of equality not being a threat. Nationalist controlled councils treat unionist a lot more fair than unionist treat Nationalists.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: omagh_gael on February 16, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.

This is all very fine, but NIs would have been supported by the high remain vote, which it did not get largely because SF voters did not bother to vote. We are now in a very dangerous period and it isn't clear if SF have a good plan to ensure the border is at Cairnryan and not Culloville.

Where can the evidence of this be found?

West Belfast had the lowest turnout of any constituency in the UK and two thirds of people there vote SF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36616830

Bit disingenuous there, you picked  the outlier amongst the SF heartlands. As far as I can tell turnout was much higher in nearly all other green constituencies compared to the assembly elections.. West Tyrone, Newry, mid ulster etc.q
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JohnDenver on February 16, 2017, 03:15:53 PM
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that you were talking shite

I'm a SF voter but I think there was a certain amount of it as lip service. They took the risk (correctly in my view) that the 6C and Scotland voting to remain while the English voted to leave would drive wedges in the 'union', boost nationalism and move the border to Holyhead, Heathrow and Heysham. Time will tell if that risk will pay off. I think it will.

This is all very fine, but NIs would have been supported by the high remain vote, which it did not get largely because SF voters did not bother to vote. We are now in a very dangerous period and it isn't clear if SF have a good plan to ensure the border is at Cairnryan and not Culloville.

Where can the evidence of this be found?

West Belfast had the lowest turnout of any constituency in the UK and two thirds of people there vote SF.

That would be a no then. 

Remind me again PBP's position on Brexit?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36616830

Bit disingenuous there, you picked  the outlier amongst the SF heartlands. As far as I can tell turnout was much higher in nearly all other green constituencies compared to the assembly elections.. West Tyrone, Newry, mid ulster etc.q

Is this as a result of the SF machine, or the people in these places taking more interest? The Westies don't give a damn about the border, it seems.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 16, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
The margin of the result in the north has absolutely no bearing on how strongly the result here can be defended. Brexiteers can hardly point to it given the overall margin they're defending.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on February 16, 2017, 06:56:15 PM
I would have thought the main issue SF had with Brexit was the potential for the end of the peace funding and other EU funding their various rackets survive on. There would be a few party activists & family members on an egg less
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 16, 2017, 09:21:46 PM
Fcuk me but Arlene is one spiteful, hateful bitch.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 16, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
She is struggling - everyone is against her.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 16, 2017, 09:43:45 PM
She is struggling - everyone is against her.

Everyone isn't half enough.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stringbean on February 16, 2017, 10:20:16 PM
What a shambles of a debate! Shouting over each other, no structure and the chair got walked over!!

As for Arlene - unbelievable the bigotry and clear attempt to appeal to Orangeman. Desperation possibly - scaremongering didn't work for Brexit or US elections!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 16, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/utv/update/2017-02-16/utvs-election-debate-ni-leaders-go-head-to-head/

The flip side of her dire warnings is that Arlene is basically campaigning for the Shinners when she mentions what a SF 1st place would mean.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
Mike Nesbitt is very smooth compared to Arlene. Must be the TV career.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 09:36:43 AM

The flip side of her dire warnings is that Arlene is basically campaigning for the Shinners when she mentions what a SF 1st place would mean.

Arlene and the DUP need SF more than anyone else in N.Ireland to ensure that they are able to mobilise their hardcore vote and other unionists with the same siege mentality.  Adams is the best electoral weapon of the DUP. 

Both the DUP and SF use the same tactics to mobilise their support - get out and vote for us or themums will over run us, take our homes and destroy our livelihoods.  No need for policies on health, education or jobs.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 17, 2017, 09:39:13 AM
 ;D You're getting beyond parody typ
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 09:55:27 AM
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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 17, 2017, 10:16:41 AM
Snarlene portrays the election as Gerry Adams v. The idyllic NI Protestant "way of life" :-\
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 17, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
Interesting typ - seems Mike will benefit more from the SDLP statement than Colum will, maybe hes not so slow after all
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 17, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
Interesting debate that illustrated the dearth of intellect in the body politic of the wee 6. Compared to Conor Murphy Michelle O'Neill is light weight. The whole Adams anointment thing is sickening as well. The Tyrone twang is also annoying. Eastwood is clueless, Mike all show and Arelene played the bogeyman card.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: screenexile on February 17, 2017, 11:29:41 AM
Fairly enjoyed the View last night Mark Carruthers is an excellent interviewer and had Arlene tied up in knots from the start.

It doesn't matter who the DUP put out ultimately the fact it's one of their own and not themmuns will swing it.

The DUP base will still be there as it always was but they are bound to be losing the younger vote. The youth are a lot more informed nowadays and when the DUP's elder demographic pass on they are going to get nailed to the cross with their stance on pro choice/LGBTQ and the fact they are utterly incompetent in Government.

By the looks of things they will be grand this election but Mike TV should sow up the younger/moderate Unionists which may stand to them in the years to come.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 11:34:49 AM
Big Arnie was a total disgrace on the View last night with Mark Curruthers ... she's one horrible aul twisted hoor..

Newton Emerson & yer blade (cant remember her name) basically said it was the most pathetic interview ever ... its really worth a watch...  especially the second half of the interview.. fair play to him, he really gets stuck in..  mind you, its an easy task, theres plenty of ammo..

As for the debate on UTV .. why oh why does no one seem to be bringing up the "incredibly important" fact that the Newsletter printed proof that civil servants in fact DID tell her way back in 2013 that there were flaws and pointed every one of them out .. its all there in black & white ..
You'd think that after her saying constantly that "no one told me" (pathetic excuse anyway for a minister) and her party members all saying the same, you'd think this would be sorta important .. yet no one feckin mentions it .. or if they do they're not mentioning it enough ... I really cant understand that :-/
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 11:36:37 AM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Ah if only you were witty  ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 11:51:36 AM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.

You have it bad for SF  :o .. who would you support TYP ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on February 17, 2017, 01:06:04 PM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.

You have it bad for SF  :o .. who would you support TYP ?

I agree with TYP. If Adams stayed with from Twitter, Cameras, Microphones and journalists then the DUP would struggle. But poor old Gerry just cannot help himself.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 01:22:53 PM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.

You have it bad for SF  :o .. who would you support TYP ?

I agree with TYP. If Adams stayed with from Twitter, Cameras, Microphones and journalists then the DUP would struggle. But poor old Gerry just cannot help himself.

No they wouldnt .. they just pick another bogyman ... But lets face it ....  pin a DUP badge on a dead monkey and the silly feckers would still vote for it :-(
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 01:28:42 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.

You have it bad for SF  :o .. who would you support TYP ?

I agree with TYP. If Adams stayed with from Twitter, Cameras, Microphones and journalists then the DUP would struggle. But poor old Gerry just cannot help himself.

No they wouldnt .. they just pick another bogyman ... But lets face it ....  pin a DUP badge on a dead monkey and the silly feckers would still vote for it :-(
The exact same can be said about Sinn Fein.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
Ah, there used to be a time on this board when everything turned into Tyrone v Armagh. Alas, with the demise (albeit different levels of demise) of both counties in Gaelic football, the rivalry had seemed to dry up. Refreshing to see the position of Sinn Fein leader in the north has stoked old fires and Tymoanies & Apple Chompers pulling for their own homeboy irrespective of how ludicrous it appears to outsiders.
Conor Murphy for Pope. Michelle O'Neill for doing the dishes.

Only if Gerry appoints her to dishwashing duties.

You have it bad for SF  :o .. who would you support TYP ?

I agree with TYP. If Adams stayed with from Twitter, Cameras, Microphones and journalists then the DUP would struggle. But poor old Gerry just cannot help himself.

No they wouldnt .. they just pick another bogyman ... But lets face it ....  pin a DUP badge on a dead monkey and the silly feckers would still vote for it :-(
The exact same can be said about Sinn Fein.

I believe that to be one of the most annoying things about politics in NI .... This constant & ubiquitous "they're both as bad as each other" nonsense is simply not true...

I vote SF but have only done so since the peace process and after SF wedded themselves to non violence .. same as most SF voters actually ..  I would NOT vote for them ever again if they were at the same crap (no need to list them as everyone knows) as the DUP .. no chance ..and Im fairly sure most normal minded people would be the same ... unfortunately the vast majority of DUP voters dont think like that ...  sad but true Im afraid  :-[
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
They've put up plenty of "dead monkeys" in West Belfast and they've been voted in.

Both parties of course aren't the same, I didn't claim that.

You can't claim that many DUP voters blindly follow the DUP but say that the same isn't reflected with Sinn Fein. It simply is.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 03:21:42 PM
No doubt there are plenty of SF voters who would be the same as most DUP voters .. i.e. ye get the vote no matter what you do ...

What Im saying is, you get a much higher percentage of that with DUP voters ...  would you not agree?

The other point not to forget is that this cant really be challenged as SF have not been at anywhere near the same level of nonsense that the DUP have ...  Would you agree with that ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 03:35:50 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

As far as I can see, SF have bent over backwards to make this work .. the DUP have went out of their way to make it difficult .. and thats not even taking into account their incompetence & corruption..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 17, 2017, 04:24:43 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 04:31:32 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered.. big time!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 17, 2017, 04:33:05 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 17, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent schoolgirl isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Just a point of info...Mary Travers was a 22 year old teacher when she was shot, not a schoolgirl
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: winghalfun on February 17, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
Why doesn't she get that fecking brooch tatooed to her forehead?

It's never off.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 17, 2017, 04:53:57 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent schoolgirl isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Just a point of info...Mary Travers was a 22 year old teacher when she was shot, not a schoolgirl

Happy to amend my original post but the point is still the same.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Arlene's fairy stories for Protestant children

Once upon a time there were three little protestant pigs. One protestant pig built a house of straw while the second protestant pig built his house with sticks. They built their houses very quickly and then sang and danced all day because they were in the Orange Order and it was July . The third little protestant pig worked hard all day and built his house with bricks.
Gerry Adams  saw the two little protestant pigs while they danced and played and thought, “What lovely citizens of a united Ireland  they will make!”

One day, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood’s mother said to her, “Take this basket of goodies to your grandma’s cottage, but don’t talk to strangers on the way!” Promising not to, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood skipped off. On her way she met Gerry Adams who asked, “Dia dhuit, ca bhfuil tu ag dul a chailin ?” “To my grandma’s, Mr. Adams !” she answered.
Gerry Adams then ran to her grandmother’s cottage much before Little Red white and blue Riding Hood, and knocked on the door. When Grandma opened the door, he locked her up in the closet. Gerry Adams then wore Grandma’s clothes and lay on her bed, waiting for Little Red white and blue Riding Hood.  When Little Red white and blue Riding Hood reached the cottage, she entered and went to Grandma’s bedside. “My! What big eyes you have, Grandma!” she said in surprise. “All the better to see a united Ireland , my dear!” replied the wolf. “My! What big ears you have, Grandma!” said Little Red white and blue Riding Hood. “All the better to hear the voters , my dear!” said Adams. “What big voter numbers you have, Grandma!” said Little Red Riding Hood. “All the better to gobble Norn Irn up with ” growled Adams, pouncing on her. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood screamed and the Orange marchers in the forest came running to the cottage. They beat Gerry Adams and rescued Grandma from the closet but they left the gay people in there. Grandma hugged Little Red white and blue Riding Hood with joy.  Big Bad Adams ran away never to be seen again. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood had learnt her lesson and never spoke to nationalists ever again.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Ah well if you're going to go back to before the peace deal then why not kick it all off with Strongbow, the penal laws or maybe just harp on about 50 years of the old "protestant state for a protestant people" stormont or maybe Paisley and the various organisations he and his fellow DUPers were involved in and the pleasant characters they were frequently associated with .. FFS  ::)

The point that many unionists & obviously you, seem to forget is that we are where we are .. i.e. in the here and now .. its a better place for it and incompetence & corruption NOW is not helping ...

You must be in the "hold your nose" category re SF ... thats whats got us to where we are right now .. well, that and DUP Incompetence & corruption

Do you not get that ?


Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 17, 2017, 05:58:17 PM
Arlene's fairy stories for Protestant children

Once upon a time there were three little protestant pigs. One protestant pig built a house of straw while the second protestant pig built his house with sticks. They built their houses very quickly and then sang and danced all day because they were in the Orange Order and it was July . The third little protestant pig worked hard all day and built his house with bricks.
Gerry Adams  saw the two little protestant pigs while they danced and played and thought, “What lovely citizens of a united Ireland  they will make!”

One day, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood’s mother said to her, “Take this basket of goodies to your grandma’s cottage, but don’t talk to strangers on the way!” Promising not to, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood skipped off. On her way she met Gerry Adams who asked, “Dia dhuit, ca bhfuil tu ag dul a chailin ?” “To my grandma’s, Mr. Adams !” she answered.
Gerry Adams then ran to her grandmother’s cottage much before Little Red white and blue Riding Hood, and knocked on the door. When Grandma opened the door, he locked her up in the closet. Gerry Adams then wore Grandma’s clothes and lay on her bed, waiting for Little Red white and blue Riding Hood.  When Little Red white and blue Riding Hood reached the cottage, she entered and went to Grandma’s bedside. “My! What big eyes you have, Grandma!” she said in surprise. “All the better to see a united Ireland , my dear!” replied the wolf. “My! What big ears you have, Grandma!” said Little Red white and blue Riding Hood. “All the better to hear the voters , my dear!” said Adams. “What big voter numbers you have, Grandma!” said Little Red Riding Hood. “All the better to gobble Norn Irn up with ” growled Adams, pouncing on her. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood screamed and the Orange marchers in the forest came running to the cottage. They beat Gerry Adams and rescued Grandma from the closet but they left the gay people in there. Grandma hugged Little Red white and blue Riding Hood with joy.  Big Bad Adams ran away never to be seen again. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood had learnt her lesson and never spoke to nationalists ever again.

lol .. little Red White & Blue riding hood ...   I like it  :)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 17, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Ah well if you're going to go back to before the peace deal then why not kick it all off with Strongbow, the penal laws or maybe just harp on about 50 years of the old "protestant state for a protestant people" stormont or maybe Paisley and the various organisations he and his fellow DUPers were involved in and the pleasant characters they were frequently associated with .. FFS  ::)

The point that many unionists & obviously you, seem to forget is that we are where we are .. i.e. in the here and now .. its a better place for it and incompetence & corruption NOW is not helping ...

You must be in the "hold your nose" category re SF ... thats whats got us to where we are right now .. well, that and DUP Incompetence & corruption

Do you not get that ?

Its not going back before the peace deal.  It was only a few years ago mcardle was appointed as a SPAD.  I am far from someone who wants to hold their nose...I have previously voted for Sinn Fein.  However I'm sick of two parties in government who squabble like children and dont want to work together.

IMO its time to give someone else ago instead of voting alone green and orange lines.  Do you not get that?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: foxcommander on February 17, 2017, 07:02:57 PM

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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 17, 2017, 07:11:44 PM

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And the point of this photo is?  Want me to go and dig one out of Marty holding a gun from back in the midst of the troubles.

Im talking about the appointment of someone just a few years ago well after the 98 peace agreement convicted of murdering an innocent catholic woman in cold blood to a top position at the heart of government on circa 60-90k a year of public money.  If you dont think that's wrong its as pathetic as the hard core dup votes imo
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: michaelg on February 17, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
Arlene's fairy stories for Protestant children

Once upon a time there were three little protestant pigs. One protestant pig built a house of straw while the second protestant pig built his house with sticks. They built their houses very quickly and then sang and danced all day because they were in the Orange Order and it was July . The third little protestant pig worked hard all day and built his house with bricks.
Gerry Adams  saw the two little protestant pigs while they danced and played and thought, “What lovely citizens of a united Ireland  they will make!”

One day, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood’s mother said to her, “Take this basket of goodies to your grandma’s cottage, but don’t talk to strangers on the way!” Promising not to, Little Red white and blue Riding Hood skipped off. On her way she met Gerry Adams who asked, “Dia dhuit, ca bhfuil tu ag dul a chailin ?” “To my grandma’s, Mr. Adams !” she answered.
Gerry Adams then ran to her grandmother’s cottage much before Little Red white and blue Riding Hood, and knocked on the door. When Grandma opened the door, he locked her up in the closet. Gerry Adams then wore Grandma’s clothes and lay on her bed, waiting for Little Red white and blue Riding Hood.  When Little Red white and blue Riding Hood reached the cottage, she entered and went to Grandma’s bedside. “My! What big eyes you have, Grandma!” she said in surprise. “All the better to see a united Ireland , my dear!” replied the wolf. “My! What big ears you have, Grandma!” said Little Red white and blue Riding Hood. “All the better to hear the voters , my dear!” said Adams. “What big voter numbers you have, Grandma!” said Little Red Riding Hood. “All the better to gobble Norn Irn up with ” growled Adams, pouncing on her. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood screamed and the Orange marchers in the forest came running to the cottage. They beat Gerry Adams and rescued Grandma from the closet but they left the gay people in there. Grandma hugged Little Red white and blue Riding Hood with joy.  Big Bad Adams ran away never to be seen again. Little Red white and blue Riding Hood had learnt her lesson and never spoke to nationalists ever again.
Did you write this  yourself? 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2017, 07:59:24 PM
I just changed the original text. Arlene uses Adams to scare the bejaysus out of voters.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2017, 08:13:19 PM
Still posting on ni politics while yours lies in the gutter!!

No input at all
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 17, 2017, 08:22:25 PM
Still posting on ni politics while yours lies in the gutter!!

No input at all
I'm drinking as much £5 wine as I can before the price goes up
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
Still posting on ni politics while yours lies in the gutter!!

No input at all
I'm drinking as much £5 wine as I can before the price goes up

When it goes up I'll let you know
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 17, 2017, 08:58:41 PM
Still posting on ni politics while yours lies in the gutter!!

How partitionist >:(
Last time I looked we have a Government of sorts unlike the 6 North Eastern Counties.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 17, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

I suppose you are counting Red Sky, NAMA and RHI as DUP corruption?  Yet none have been proved beyond sheer incompetence?  Is this correct or do you have other details or evidence of corruption by DUP?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 09:52:19 PM
No doubt there are plenty of SF voters who would be the same as most DUP voters .. i.e. ye get the vote no matter what you do ...

What Im saying is, you get a much higher percentage of that with DUP voters ...  would you not agree?
I have no idea what percentage of that you get on either side tbh. All I know is that it exists greatly in the only constituency I've ever voted in, where Sinn Fein could put anyone up and they'd get in.

Sinn Fein have had their fair share of scandal over the years too, don't forget. Robert McCartney, Mairia Cahill, Jock Davison, Paul Quinn, Liam Adams etc.

Btw, I'm not a Sinn Fein hater and I do believe that the DUP are a more bigoted, spiteful shower but let's not kid ourselves that the thought process of the average Sinn Fein voter doesn't invertly correlate to the thought process of the average DUP voter.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 17, 2017, 10:12:21 PM
don't worry Hardstation TYP will keep everyone right. His constant bashing of Sinn Fein has become very boring. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 17, 2017, 11:35:03 PM
Sinn Fein have had their fair share of scandal over the years too, don't forget. Robert McCartney, Mairia Cahill, Jock Davison, Paul Quinn, Liam Adams etc.

Btw, I'm not a Sinn Fein hater and I do believe that the DUP are a more bigoted, spiteful shower but let's not kid ourselves that the thought process of the average Sinn Fein voter doesn't invertly correlate to the thought process of the average DUP voter.

At least the direction of SF policies is somewhat away from these things, while the DUP just promise use more of the same.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 11:47:53 PM
Sinn Fein have had their fair share of scandal over the years too, don't forget. Robert McCartney, Mairia Cahill, Jock Davison, Paul Quinn, Liam Adams etc.

Btw, I'm not a Sinn Fein hater and I do believe that the DUP are a more bigoted, spiteful shower but let's not kid ourselves that the thought process of the average Sinn Fein voter doesn't invertly correlate to the thought process of the average DUP voter.

At least the direction of SF policies is somewhat away from these things, while the DUP just promise use more of the same.
Comforting.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2017, 12:21:48 AM
Still posting on ni politics while yours lies in the gutter!!

How partitionist >:(
Last time I looked we have a Government of sorts unlike the 6 North Eastern Counties.

No and no, you'd be totally partitionist in my view considering the previous post from you
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 18, 2017, 12:30:53 AM
Are you Syfīn in disguise?
You're making no sense at all.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 18, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered.. big time!
As well as that the DUP have links with the Loyalist Paramilitaries that are perhaps stronger than SF's links to the remnants of the Provos, do they get held to account on that? No!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 18, 2017, 08:48:59 AM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?
Catch a grip, Red Sky was corrupt, perhaps more so than the RHI. Throw in links to developers getting planning on contentious sites who give party "donations" and you can see that the DUP have nothing to learn from FF.
I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

I suppose you are counting Red Sky, NAMA and RHI as DUP corruption?  Yet none have been proved beyond sheer incompetence?  Is this correct or do you have other details or evidence of corruption by DUP?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 19, 2017, 10:11:57 PM
I see pics of Sinn Fein candidates out canvassing in West Tyrone in Club Tyrone jackets...pretty sure no Sinn Fein candidates are members. Cheap tactic.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: balladmaker on February 19, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
Quote
I see pics of Sinn Fein members out canvassing in West Tyrone in Club Tyrone jackets...pretty sure no Sinn Fein candidates are members. Cheap tactic.

How would someone know if you were a Sinn Fein member or not, anyone can join Sinn Fein quite easily via the website, and their face will never appear on any election poster or party literature to indicate their membership.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 19, 2017, 10:19:20 PM

I should have said "candidate" twice instead of once, I meant the candidate.

I'm not too good at this.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on February 19, 2017, 10:22:30 PM
The really silly part of this is who would vote for any candidate on the basis that they support their county's GAA team!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
You would, ye balax.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: omaghjoe on February 20, 2017, 04:44:27 AM
They are saying it is OK to vote DUP or TUV as anti-abortion parties as alternatives to others supporting abortion but this ignores the facts that both parties are happy to bring back capital punishment,

This is truely one of the most Bizare paradoxes in modern politics that the pro abortion and pro capital punishment camps seem to be opposite camps. I get that abortion life is innocent but the bottom line is a life is being taken in both cases
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 20, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
The Irish News carried out a survey of the level of Irish speaking among election candidates.  Only 7 considered themselves "fluent" (5 SF and 2 SDLP) and a further 7 were "nearly fluent" (5 SF, 1 SDLP and 1 Alliance - fair play Colm Cavanagh!).  Roughly half had no Irish at all.  But the most interesting comment is from Newry & Armagh Alliance candidate Jackie Coade.  Ms Coade grew up in Cork and responded that she was "discouraged from speaking Irish when she moved to NI"  The question is...by whom??

BTW the possible answers to the survey were:  Fluent: Nearly Fluent: Conversational: Some Words & Phrases: None

As a rough guide two candidates who have A-Level Irish described their level as "Conversational"
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on February 20, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
The Irish News carried out a survey of the level of Irish speaking among election candidates.  Only 7 considered themselves "fluent" (5 SF and 2 SDLP) and a further 7 were "nearly fluent" (5 SF, 1 SDLP and 1 Alliance - fair play Colm Cavanagh!).  Roughly half had no Irish at all.  But the most interesting comment is from Newry & Armagh Alliance candidate Jackie Coade.  Ms Coade grew up in Cork and responded that she was "discouraged from speaking Irish when she moved to NI"  The question is...by whom??

BTW the possible answers to the survey were:  Fluent: Nearly Fluent: Conversational: Some Words & Phrases: None

As a rough guide two candidates who have A-Level Irish described their level as "Conversational"


Dont let the truth get in the way of a good old rant.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on February 20, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
The sinners were on my door and said two words why you should vote SF, Arlene Foster.  That is some campaign - nothing about social care, jobs, education or brexit - numpties the lot of them.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 20, 2017, 01:10:17 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Ah well if you're going to go back to before the peace deal then why not kick it all off with Strongbow, the penal laws or maybe just harp on about 50 years of the old "protestant state for a protestant people" stormont or maybe Paisley and the various organisations he and his fellow DUPers were involved in and the pleasant characters they were frequently associated with .. FFS  ::)

The point that many unionists & obviously you, seem to forget is that we are where we are .. i.e. in the here and now .. its a better place for it and incompetence & corruption NOW is not helping ...

You must be in the "hold your nose" category re SF ... thats whats got us to where we are right now .. well, that and DUP Incompetence & corruption

Do you not get that ?

Its not going back before the peace deal.  It was only a few years ago mcardle was appointed as a SPAD.  I am far from someone who wants to hold their nose...I have previously voted for Sinn Fein.  However I'm sick of two parties in government who squabble like children and dont want to work together.

IMO its time to give someone else ago instead of voting alone green and orange lines.  Do you not get that?

The shooting was before the peace deal is what I meant ... Look, if you're going to start barring people with a past from certain posts then the peace process wouldnt have heppened in the first place ....
I started voting for SF when the peace broke out and will continue to do so unless they start doing the same sorta sh1t as the DUP, but they arent .. not as far as I can see anyway ...
Marty McGuiness has bent over backwards to try and make it work .. Big Arnie Fister has done the exact opposite .. The DUP are embroiled in several financial scandals ... Sf arent ..... The DUP have to "hold their noses" .. SF dont .. etc....

I really dont see how you can compare the two parties .. this aul bull "They're both as bad as each other" simply isnt true ...

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 20, 2017, 01:10:46 PM
The Irish News carried out a survey of the level of Irish speaking among election candidates.  Only 7 considered themselves "fluent" (5 SF and 2 SDLP) and a further 7 were "nearly fluent" (5 SF, 1 SDLP and 1 Alliance - fair play Colm Cavanagh!).  Roughly half had no Irish at all.  But the most interesting comment is from Newry & Armagh Alliance candidate Jackie Coade.  Ms Coade grew up in Cork and responded that she was "discouraged from speaking Irish when she moved to NI"  The question is...by whom??

BTW the possible answers to the survey were:  Fluent: Nearly Fluent: Conversational: Some Words & Phrases: None

As a rough guide two candidates who have A-Level Irish described their level as "Conversational"


Dont let the truth get in the way of a good old rant.

??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on February 20, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
The sinners were on my door and said two words why you should vote SF, Arlene Foster.  That is some campaign - nothing about social care, jobs, education or brexit - numpties the lot of them.

And what two words did you reply with?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 20, 2017, 01:15:19 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

I suppose you are counting Red Sky, NAMA and RHI as DUP corruption?  Yet none have been proved beyond sheer incompetence?  Is this correct or do you have other details or evidence of corruption by DUP?

It looks pretty corrupt to me ... what would your guess be ?

 .. but even if conclusive proof cannot is not found, incompetence on this scale is just as harmful ... and its the DUPs doing .. not SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 20, 2017, 01:41:49 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Ah well if you're going to go back to before the peace deal then why not kick it all off with Strongbow, the penal laws or maybe just harp on about 50 years of the old "protestant state for a protestant people" stormont or maybe Paisley and the various organisations he and his fellow DUPers were involved in and the pleasant characters they were frequently associated with .. FFS  ::)

The point that many unionists & obviously you, seem to forget is that we are where we are .. i.e. in the here and now .. its a better place for it and incompetence & corruption NOW is not helping ...

You must be in the "hold your nose" category re SF ... thats whats got us to where we are right now .. well, that and DUP Incompetence & corruption

Do you not get that ?

Its not going back before the peace deal.  It was only a few years ago mcardle was appointed as a SPAD.  I am far from someone who wants to hold their nose...I have previously voted for Sinn Fein.  However I'm sick of two parties in government who squabble like children and dont want to work together.

IMO its time to give someone else ago instead of voting alone green and orange lines.  Do you not get that?

The shooting was before the peace deal is what I meant ... Look, if you're going to start barring people with a past from certain posts then the peace process wouldnt have heppened in the first place ....
I started voting for SF when the peace broke out and will continue to do so unless they start doing the same sorta sh1t as the DUP, but they arent .. not as far as I can see anyway ...
Marty McGuiness has bent over backwards to try and make it work .. Big Arnie Fister has done the exact opposite .. The DUP are embroiled in several financial scandals ... Sf arent ..... The DUP have to "hold their noses" .. SF dont .. etc....

I really dont see how you can compare the two parties .. this aul bull "They're both as bad as each other" simply isnt true ...

ok lets look as this aul bull they are both bad - You don't think language such as Michelle Gildernew saying "we'll put manners on Arlene Foster" Gerry - "Equality is the trojan horse to break the b@stards" - you think that is the type of mature stuff you want from political leaders?  I think it is childish and I would agree with you I dont think they are as bad as DUP but its clear as day for anyone to see they dont want to, or like working with each other so how can they be expected to run a good government.  Time to give the opposition of UUP/SDLP and Alliance a go and see if they can do any better.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 20, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

I suppose you are counting Red Sky, NAMA and RHI as DUP corruption?  Yet none have been proved beyond sheer incompetence?  Is this correct or do you have other details or evidence of corruption by DUP?

It looks pretty corrupt to me ... what would your guess be ?

 .. but even if conclusive proof cannot is not found, incompetence on this scale is just as harmful ... and its the DUPs doing .. not SF.

The problem lies with providing proof of corruption.  Surely if there was proof of corruption in Red Sky or NAMA or Planning Decisions then it would have led to prosecutions or the withdrawal from government by the DUP's partners which did not occur within the mandate in which the complaints of corruption allegedly occurred and not until January 2017 when disrespect was cited by SF as the reason for bringing down the government partnership with DUP after they refused to join a motion of no confidence in the FM.

There is a difference between corruption as a legal offence and the corruption of power which can only be prosecuted in the court of the electorate.  However, the Assembly does not provide for this prosecution having any hope of occurring because the electorate cannot vote anyone out of power as it is guaranteed by the system.  The issues of which SF ministers have been accused have already been listed above and in some cases have been found guilty through the legal system. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 20, 2017, 01:46:29 PM
In the 90 seat assembly, how many seats are required to be allocated a ministerial appointment?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 20, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
Didn't Sinn Fein appoint Mary McArdle as a SPAD? 

Daithi McKay involved in coaching Bryson at the Nama inquiry.  Maybe not as bad as the DUP but as a joint government the both of them have failed to deliver.

"Maybe" not as bad .... Its not even in the same galaxy !!

 and didnt Daithi McKay resign  .. FFS  ::)

If the Shinners had been involved in a 1/10 of what the DUP had there would have been all hell to pay ... and their vote would certainly have suffered..
Appointing a SPAD convicted of murdering an innocent woman isn't in the same galaxy -  ::)

Ah well if you're going to go back to before the peace deal then why not kick it all off with Strongbow, the penal laws or maybe just harp on about 50 years of the old "protestant state for a protestant people" stormont or maybe Paisley and the various organisations he and his fellow DUPers were involved in and the pleasant characters they were frequently associated with .. FFS  ::)

The point that many unionists & obviously you, seem to forget is that we are where we are .. i.e. in the here and now .. its a better place for it and incompetence & corruption NOW is not helping ...

You must be in the "hold your nose" category re SF ... thats whats got us to where we are right now .. well, that and DUP Incompetence & corruption

Do you not get that ?

Its not going back before the peace deal.  It was only a few years ago mcardle was appointed as a SPAD.  I am far from someone who wants to hold their nose...I have previously voted for Sinn Fein.  However I'm sick of two parties in government who squabble like children and dont want to work together.

IMO its time to give someone else ago instead of voting alone green and orange lines.  Do you not get that?

The shooting was before the peace deal is what I meant ... Look, if you're going to start barring people with a past from certain posts then the peace process wouldnt have heppened in the first place ....
I started voting for SF when the peace broke out and will continue to do so unless they start doing the same sorta sh1t as the DUP, but they arent .. not as far as I can see anyway ...
Marty McGuiness has bent over backwards to try and make it work .. Big Arnie Fister has done the exact opposite .. The DUP are embroiled in several financial scandals ... Sf arent ..... The DUP have to "hold their noses" .. SF dont .. etc....

I really dont see how you can compare the two parties .. this aul bull "They're both as bad as each other" simply isnt true ...

ok lets look as this aul bull they are both bad - You don't think language such as Michelle Gildernew saying "we'll put manners on Arlene Foster" Gerry - "Equality is the trojan horse to break the b@stards" - you think that is the type of mature stuff you want from political leaders?  I think it is childish and I would agree with you I dont think they are as bad as DUP but its clear as day for anyone to see they dont want to, or like working with each other so how can they be expected to run a good government.  Time to give the opposition of UUP/SDLP and Alliance a go and see if they can do any better.

No doubt the shinners do occasionally come out with some stuff thats bordering on stupid and antagonistic .. they should choose their words more carefully but they're arent in the same ballpark as the DUP ....
All you have to do is look/listen to a shinner & DUPer talking and you'll see who wants this to work and who doesnt..

btw - I actually think Naomi Long would be a great fist minister but that aint gonna happen ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 20, 2017, 02:04:00 PM
The DUP and SF exist in a mutualistic symbiotic relationship.

possibly but who would you vote for ?

I wouldn't vote for either of them.  Both are politically corrupt in the same sense as the larger parties in the Republic have showed themselves to be over many years.

Are you saying SF are every bit as corrupt as the DUP ?

and if so, how ?

I suppose you are counting Red Sky, NAMA and RHI as DUP corruption?  Yet none have been proved beyond sheer incompetence?  Is this correct or do you have other details or evidence of corruption by DUP?

It looks pretty corrupt to me ... what would your guess be ?

 .. but even if conclusive proof cannot is not found, incompetence on this scale is just as harmful ... and its the DUPs doing .. not SF.

The problem lies with providing proof of corruption.  Surely if there was proof of corruption in Red Sky or NAMA or Planning Decisions then it would have led to prosecutions or the withdrawal from government by the DUP's partners which did not occur within the mandate in which the complaints of corruption allegedly occurred and not until January 2017 when disrespect was cited by SF as the reason for bringing down the government partnership with DUP after they refused to join a motion of no confidence in the FM.

There is a difference between corruption as a legal offence and the corruption of power which can only be prosecuted in the court of the electorate.  However, the Assembly does not provide for this prosecution having any hope of occurring because the electorate cannot vote anyone out of power as it is guaranteed by the system.  The issues of which SF ministers have been accused have already been listed above and in some cases have been found guilty through the legal system.

Well every party except the DUP must have reckoned there was corruption in Red Sky as Im faily sure there was consensus to get that little weasle Nelson McCausland out .. but the DUP POC'd it ...

NAMA was let drop for some reason and now RHI ... but again, whether corruption can be proved or not, surely absolutely inane incompetence should be enough to oust someone shouldn't it ?

Unfortunately we'll wait a long time before the DUP voters will convict the DUP  ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 20, 2017, 07:20:27 PM
The DUP come out with the usual shite.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-manifesto-launch-arlene-foster-speech-in-full-35465897.html
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2017, 08:34:23 PM
The DUP come out with the usual shite.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-manifesto-launch-arlene-foster-speech-in-full-35465897.html
the DUP are playing a stupid game. It's all tribal. If they were competent they would reach out to catholics to ensure that even when Prods go below 50% they still run things.

And Sinn Fein is far less dangerous than Brexit.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 20, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
The DUP come out with the usual shite.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-manifesto-launch-arlene-foster-speech-in-full-35465897.html
the DUP are playing a stupid game. It's all tribal. If they were competent they would reach out to catholics to ensure that even when Prods go below 50% they still run things.

And Sinn Fein is far less dangerous than Brexit.

Are they playing a stupid game? We have all thought that for a long time and they still get the same votes. To win over any doubters in their voter base saying they are not sf is probably a winner.

I really hope the joke is finally on them but it never has been before so history would say they will probably be fine?

They will still remain the biggest party i would say and them and their family members will continue to cash in at the rest of our expense.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2017, 11:03:58 AM
Arlene is hilarious

"It would lead to the sort of #sectarian abuse of power# that has been seen wherever Sinn Fein have been able to do so from the removal of the Union Flag at City Hall, to the glorification of convicted terrorists to the Ministerial abuse of office which has been adjudicated upon by the courts."

Meanwhile...

"Winning 38 seats did not just mean there would be a unionist First Minister, it also meant that we would control the most government departments and have the best choice of those departments.
We used that strength to make sure that Northern Ireland had its first unionist Education Minister in almost 50 years, its first Agriculture Minister since the restoration of devolution, held the enormous and diverse Communities portfolio and retained responsibility for the economy."

Surely what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: No wides on February 21, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
The DUP come out with the usual shite.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-manifesto-launch-arlene-foster-speech-in-full-35465897.html
the DUP are playing a stupid game. It's all tribal. If they were competent they would reach out to catholics to ensure that even when Prods go below 50% they still run things.

And Sinn Fein is far less dangerous than Brexit.

You are reaching out well!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 21, 2017, 11:21:13 AM
Arlene is hilarious

"It would lead to the sort of #sectarian abuse of power# that has been seen wherever Sinn Fein have been able to do so from the removal of the Union Flag at City Hall, to the glorification of convicted terrorists to the Ministerial abuse of office which has been adjudicated upon by the courts."

Meanwhile...

"Winning 38 seats did not just mean there would be a unionist First Minister, it also meant that we would control the most government departments and have the best choice of those departments.
We used that strength to make sure that Northern Ireland had its first unionist Education Minister in almost 50 years, its first Agriculture Minister since the restoration of devolution, held the enormous and diverse Communities portfolio and retained responsibility for the economy."

Surely what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

She forgot that while she chose Education, Agriculture, Economy and Communities ministries she handed Finance to SF which was strange given that, when her ministers were flip flopping in and out of their posts, she had held onto the Finance ministry and previously said:

"If anybody knows me and indeed knows the Democratic Unionist Party they know that I'm not going to put at risk to the people of Northern Ireland the possibility that rogue Sinn Fein or renegade SDLP ministers are going to take decisions that will harm the community in Northern Ireland."
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haveaharp on February 21, 2017, 11:29:16 AM
Arlene is hilarious

"It would lead to the sort of #sectarian abuse of power# that has been seen wherever Sinn Fein have been able to do so from the removal of the Union Flag at City Hall, to the glorification of convicted terrorists to the Ministerial abuse of office which has been adjudicated upon by the courts."

Meanwhile...

"Winning 38 seats did not just mean there would be a unionist First Minister, it also meant that we would control the most government departments and have the best choice of those departments.
We used that strength to make sure that Northern Ireland had its first unionist Education Minister in almost 50 years, its first Agriculture Minister since the restoration of devolution, held the enormous and diverse Communities portfolio and retained responsibility for the economy."

Surely what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

She forgot that while she chose Education, Agriculture, Economy and Communities ministries she handed Finance to SF which was strange given that, when her ministers were flip flopping in and out of their posts, she had held onto the Finance ministry and previously said:

"If anybody knows me and indeed knows the Democratic Unionist Party they know that I'm not going to put at risk to the people of Northern Ireland the possibility that rogue Sinn Fein or renegade SDLP ministers are going to take decisions that will harm the community in Northern Ireland."

Did she not specifically say the "unionist community" ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 21, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
Arlene is hilarious

"It would lead to the sort of #sectarian abuse of power# that has been seen wherever Sinn Fein have been able to do so from the removal of the Union Flag at City Hall, to the glorification of convicted terrorists to the Ministerial abuse of office which has been adjudicated upon by the courts."

Meanwhile...

"Winning 38 seats did not just mean there would be a unionist First Minister, it also meant that we would control the most government departments and have the best choice of those departments.
We used that strength to make sure that Northern Ireland had its first unionist Education Minister in almost 50 years, its first Agriculture Minister since the restoration of devolution, held the enormous and diverse Communities portfolio and retained responsibility for the economy."

Surely what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

She forgot that while she chose Education, Agriculture, Economy and Communities ministries she handed Finance to SF which was strange given that, when her ministers were flip flopping in and out of their posts, she had held onto the Finance ministry and previously said:

"If anybody knows me and indeed knows the Democratic Unionist Party they know that I'm not going to put at risk to the people of Northern Ireland the possibility that rogue Sinn Fein or renegade SDLP ministers are going to take decisions that will harm the community in Northern Ireland."

Did she not specifically say the "unionist community" ?

Here's the BBC article and video with Robinson and Foster making their statements:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34216421 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34216421)

Within a year, she handed the Finance portfolio to SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 21, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
A couple of points. The Adams remarks were framed in a ham fisted way that meant they could be misconstrued, typical of Adams scoring an own goal. Taken in context he was talking about unionist intrangience and a refusal to deal with nationalists on an equal basis. His remarks in that context less the swearing would not have been too far from the thoughts of many nationalists. Like wise Guildernews remarks apart from being crude in expression are on the money, Foster needs to learn humility and manners and O'Neill should be taking shite from her.

I have said ad nauseam that Unionists and voting Unionist in particular do not want equality, OWC can only exist on their terms and claims from the Stoops, Alliance, PbP, Greens etc that they will make a difference are nonsense, a vote for them dilutes the nationalist vote and puts Forster firmly in charge. Only when unionists accept that they must co-exist with the rest of us in equality can a vote for these smaller parties begin to make a difference.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 21, 2017, 12:05:55 PM
A couple of points. The Adams remarks were framed in a ham fisted way that meant they could be misconstrued, typical of Adams scoring an own goal. Taken in context he was talking about unionist intrangience and a refusal to deal with nationalists on an equal basis. His remarks in that context less the swearing would not have been too far from the thoughts of many nationalists. Like wise Guildernews remarks apart from being crude in expression are on the money, Foster needs to learn humility and manners and O'Neill should be taking shite from her.

I have said ad nauseam that Unionists and voting Unionist in particular do not want equality, OWC can only exist on their terms and claims from the Stoops, Alliance, PbP, Greens etc that they will make a difference are nonsense, a vote for them dilutes the nationalist vote and puts Forster firmly in charge. Only when unionists accept that they must co-exist with the rest of us in equality can a vote for these smaller parties begin to make a difference.

Spot on analysis
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 21, 2017, 05:47:05 PM
I have said ad nauseam that Unionists and voting Unionist in particular do not want equality, OWC can only exist on their terms and claims from the Stoops, Alliance, PbP, Greens etc that they will make a difference are nonsense, a vote for them dilutes the nationalist vote and puts Forster firmly in charge. Only when unionists accept that they must co-exist with the rest of us in equality can a vote for these smaller parties begin to make a difference.

And yet there is a majority of what is considered the non-unionist electorate that do not and never will vote for SF for a variety of reasons. The murder and mayhem pursued by the IRA until they eventually ground to a halt due to division and informers will always provide the unionist community with a reason not to work with non-unionist parties on the basis of trust.  Shaking hands with the Queen or going to a N.Ireland football match is all well and good but if you are the only one in your party doing these things and not pursuing this as a party policy to the extent of eventually transferring a vote or using your vote tactically in a constituency where your own party cannot win it is pointless and just a gesture.  SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

Just because the unionist opposition does not share your principles or vision does not mean you have to mirror their methods.  So long as everyone lives in their own silos believing all their own publicity and perpetuating their own myths about themums there never can be any progress towards normalisation of politics on the basis of left/right or socialist/conservative beliefs for the betterment of the people.  See US as a clear example of a large scale divided population and it reflects the N.Ireland silos in terms of the way in which parties and interest groups want to keep people divided.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: naka on February 21, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
A couple of points. The Adams remarks were framed in a ham fisted way that meant they could be misconstrued, typical of Adams scoring an own goal. Taken in context he was talking about unionist intrangience and a refusal to deal with nationalists on an equal basis. His remarks in that context less the swearing would not have been too far from the thoughts of many nationalists. Like wise Guildernews remarks apart from being crude in expression are on the money, Foster needs to learn humility and manners and O'Neill should be taking shite from her.

I have said ad nauseam that Unionists and voting Unionist in particular do not want equality, OWC can only exist on their terms and claims from the Stoops, Alliance, PbP, Greens etc that they will make a difference are nonsense, a vote for them dilutes the nationalist vote and puts Forster firmly in charge. Only when unionists accept that they must co-exist with the rest of us in equality can a vote for these smaller parties begin to make a difference.

Spot on analysis
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on February 21, 2017, 10:46:22 PM
A couple of points. The Adams remarks were framed in a ham fisted way that meant they could be misconstrued, typical of Adams scoring an own goal. Taken in context he was talking about unionist intrangience and a refusal to deal with nationalists on an equal basis. His remarks in that context less the swearing would not have been too far from the thoughts of many nationalists. Like wise Guildernews remarks apart from being crude in expression are on the money, Foster needs to learn humility and manners and O'Neill should be taking shite from her.

I have said ad nauseam that Unionists and voting Unionist in particular do not want equality, OWC can only exist on their terms and claims from the Stoops, Alliance, PbP, Greens etc that they will make a difference are nonsense, a vote for them dilutes the nationalist vote and puts Forster firmly in charge. Only when unionists accept that they must co-exist with the rest of us in equality can a vote for these smaller parties begin to make a difference.

Spot on analysis
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in
Quite normal for Irish kids anywhere to want to get the hell out of Dodge as soon as they're released from the shackles of what passes for secondary education.
Could even be to do with below par parenting ;D
Regardless, kids should travel. It only takes a day or two for a parent to get over it and appreciate the bonus effects.
Apples' analysis still stands.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
So with that attitude we won't have a population in the North... plenty opportunities here for work, grass ain't always greener, yes money and career can be 100% better elsewhere, but family ties support network can be enough to keep people here...



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ONeill on February 21, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: never kickt a ball on February 21, 2017, 11:12:17 PM
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in
[/quote]


Let's list them: off the top of my head

Free prescriptions
Free bus pass at 60
Abolition of transfer test.............
RHI Scheme
Cutting the Assembly by 18 MLAs
Kerb crawling?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 21, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
The biggest thing is the the brits are happy to let this continue as we r not killin each other so all is good in their eyes. In a way every thing is going to their master plan of
Keep them from killing each other
Keep the place from prospering less than the rest of the UK
Keep the civil service as the main employer.
Keep the Protestants as the main enforcer of law and order.
This is not going to change any time soon.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 21, 2017, 11:20:38 PM
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in


Let's list them: off the top of my head

Free prescriptions
Free bus pass at 60
Abolition of transfer test.............
RHI Scheme
Cutting the Assembly by 18 MLAs
Kerb crawling?
[/quote]

Free prescription!! Joke maybe if people paid a standard payment we'd have more money for NHS and less people dependent on free drugs


Transfer test still going strong (thankfully)

Kerb crawling? So no prostitution?

Watched five minutes of Spotlight... what has 27 years of voting got me? Tit for tat politics, proper cringe
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: naka on February 22, 2017, 08:57:42 AM
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in


Let's list them: off the top of my head

Free prescriptions
Free bus pass at 60
Abolition of transfer test.............
RHI Scheme
Cutting the Assembly by 18 MLAs
Kerb crawling?

[/quote]
Jeez after 25 years it's hardly a roll of honour
Transfer test( a shambles )
RBI scheme( a success if you are the dup)
Cutting the assembly was a necessity

I give you free travel
But I object to free prescriptions as the wealthiest should pay

For meafter 25 years
What about both sides articulating economic policies,tax policies, social healthcare or is that too much to expect
There are so many simple fixes,
But all I hear is RHI,Irish language, and don't let a Debian win
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: naka on February 22, 2017, 09:02:45 AM
Not for me
Stormont has failed with the dup and the shinners in charge
Can't think of one decent piece of legislation brought in
I think it's a sad indictment of both major parties that their main policy is the get one over the other
I can understand why both my kids want to hell out of the shit hole we live in


Let's list them: off the top of my head

Free prescriptions
Free bus pass at 60
Abolition of transfer test.............
RHI Scheme
Cutting the Assembly by 18 MLAs
Kerb crawling?

Jeez after 25 years it's hardly a roll of honour
Transfer test( a shambles )
RBI scheme( a success if you are the dup)
Cutting the assembly was a necessity

I give you free travel and the plastic bags legislation
But I object to free prescriptions as the wealthiest should pay

For me after 25 years
What about both major parties ( who after all are in partnership) articulating economic policies,tax policies, social healthcare provision, review of the health service or is that too much to expect
There are so many simple fixes,
But all I hear is RHI,Irish language, and don't let a Taig win
when you step back and look objectively at Stormont is it worth the hassle in its present form.
[/quote]
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 22, 2017, 11:18:43 AM
I know someone pooh poohed it, but all the issues come down to Unionists failure to embrace change, to cling to outdated notions of British superiority and a denial of equality. For example on education their insistence on testing at 11 despite the detrimental effect on their own voters. Obsession over flags etc... Nothing will change until that all changes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 22, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
I know someone pooh poohed it, but all the issues come down to Unionists failure to embrace change, to cling to outdated notions of British superiority and a denial of equality. For example on education their insistence on testing at 11 despite the detrimental effect on their own voters. Obsession over flags etc... Nothing will change until that all changes.

Yep, its abundantly clear when the DUPers keep harping on about Gerry Adams' trojan horse of "Equality" ..... Its not really Adams' wording at all, which is what they try to pretend its about  ... its just equality itself ... they fear equality .. feckin disgraceful  :-[

They've had it all their own way for so long that the very notion of equality disgusts & petrifies them .. A great deal of unionists simply want to go back to Stormont 1950 so thay can walk all over us again and keep the croppy down .. pathetic but unfortunately its true ..

Most Nationalists just want equality but vast swathes of unionism want domination ...   
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 22, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
Big Bitter Arnie Fister needs to go for there to be any hope for the immediate future...  and the DUP in general would need to change tack..

Its disgusting that just because the aul bitch has been caught out (incompetent &/or Corrupt) she and the DUP are prepared to simply put the breaks on and drag the people backwards .... It really is the lowest common denominator .. f**king B**tards when you think about it  >:(

To save their own skin and deflect away from the real issues they are making the place we live in much worse .. much more sectarian and tribal ... its pathetic...

And then ofcourse when you watch GB TV they dont point that out .. back to the old .. "ah sure both sides are as bad as eachother" ... no they're f**king NOT  :-\

it would sicken yer shite  ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Orior on February 22, 2017, 01:07:10 PM
Big Bitter Arnie Fister needs to go for there to be any hope for the immediate future...  and the DUP in general would need to change tack..

Its disgusting that just because the aul bitch has been caught out (incompetent &/or Corrupt) she and the DUP are prepared to simply put the breaks on and drag the people backwards .... It really is the lowest common denominator .. f**king B**tards when you think about it  >:(

To save their own skin and deflect away from the real issues they are making the place we live in much worse .. much more sectarian and tribal ... its pathetic...

And then ofcourse when you watch GB TV they dont point that out .. back to the old .. "ah sure both sides are as bad as eachother" ... no they're f**king NOT  :-\

it would sicken yer shite  ...

What are ye trying to say?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 22, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
Big Bitter Arnie Fister needs to go for there to be any hope for the immediate future...  and the DUP in general would need to change tack..

Its disgusting that just because the aul bitch has been caught out (incompetent &/or Corrupt) she and the DUP are prepared to simply put the breaks on and drag the people backwards .... It really is the lowest common denominator .. f**king B**tards when you think about it  >:(

To save their own skin and deflect away from the real issues they are making the place we live in much worse .. much more sectarian and tribal ... its pathetic...

And then ofcourse when you watch GB TV they dont point that out .. back to the old .. "ah sure both sides are as bad as eachother" ... no they're f**king NOT  :-\

it would sicken yer shite  ...

What are ye trying to say?

Read it slowly  ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 22, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
Big Bitter Arnie Fister needs to go for there to be any hope for the immediate future...  and the DUP in general would need to change tack..

Its disgusting that just because the aul bitch has been caught out (incompetent &/or Corrupt) she and the DUP are prepared to simply put the breaks on and drag the people backwards .... It really is the lowest common denominator .. f**king B**tards when you think about it  >:(

To save their own skin and deflect away from the real issues they are making the place we live in much worse .. much more sectarian and tribal ... its pathetic...

And then ofcourse when you watch GB TV they dont point that out .. back to the old .. "ah sure both sides are as bad as eachother" ... no they're f**king NOT  :-\

it would sicken yer shite  ...

I have always believed they have zero interest in peace at all and are just feathering their nests. If the place progresses too much then there will be less bitterness and they will have no votes so it is in their best interests to keep it bitter.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 22, 2017, 08:22:46 PM
Excellent comparison of Foster and Trump by Eamonn Mallie

http://eamonnmallie.com/2017/02/good-night-arlene-or-hello-parlene-by-eamonn-mallie/ (http://eamonnmallie.com/2017/02/good-night-arlene-or-hello-parlene-by-eamonn-mallie/)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 22, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.


Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on February 22, 2017, 09:47:19 PM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.

What was the sdlp transfer rate?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 22, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.

What was the sdlp transfer rate?

SDLP voters transferred 15,202 votes.
Alliance got 4,143, Cons 2, DUP 379, Greens 1,566, Independents 386, PBP 615, SDLP 5,092, SF 2,083, TUV 17, UKIP 34, UUP 759, WP 126.

34% of SDLP transferred to SDLP
13% of SDLP transferred to SF
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on February 22, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.

What was the sdlp transfer rate?

SDLP voters transferred 15,202 votes.
Alliance got 4,143, Cons 2, DUP 379, Greens 1,566, Independents 386, PBP 615, SDLP 5,092, SF 2,083, TUV 17, UKIP 34, UUP 759, WP 126.

34% of SDLP transferred to SDLP
13% of SDLP transferred to SF

The SDLP only ran 24 candidates so in most constituencies they would have just had 1 candidate. SF ran 39 so they would have much more opportunity to transfer to another SF candidate.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 23, 2017, 12:10:24 AM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.

What was the sdlp transfer rate?

SDLP voters transferred 15,202 votes.
Alliance got 4,143, Cons 2, DUP 379, Greens 1,566, Independents 386, PBP 615, SDLP 5,092, SF 2,083, TUV 17, UKIP 34, UUP 759, WP 126.

34% of SDLP transferred to SDLP
13% of SDLP transferred to SF

The SDLP only ran 24 candidates so in most constituencies they would have just had 1 candidate. SF ran 39 so they would have much more opportunity to transfer to another SF candidate.

That's why percentages are more relevant.

SF got 166,785 1st pref votes and transferred 21,672 - 13% which is poor vote management given the number of constituencies with two or more SF candidates as only 15,687 SF voters transferred to the party's other candidates.
 
Only 3.3% Of SF voters transferred to other parties, i.e. just over 96% of SF voters plumped for SF.


Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 23, 2017, 12:25:38 AM
And therein lies the problem.....caused by people who don't understand PR .
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 23, 2017, 12:56:32 AM
And therein lies the problem.....caused by people who don't understand PR .

PR is not hard to understand, some just prefer their own cult.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Cannon Fodder on February 23, 2017, 08:42:29 AM
Re Transfers - If you look into the stats you will probably find SF were either last elected or last eliminated in most areas hence their votes weren`t distributed.

Its easy to make sweeping statements
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on February 23, 2017, 08:47:17 AM
And therein lies the problem.....caused by people who don't understand PR .

No it isn't. This was an electoral strategy by SF and people who understand PR not the lack of understanding by the voter.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on February 23, 2017, 08:56:01 AM
I know someone pooh poohed it, but all the issues come down to Unionists failure to embrace change, to cling to outdated notions of British superiority and a denial of equality. For example on education their insistence on testing at 11 despite the detrimental effect on their own voters. Obsession over flags etc... Nothing will change until that all changes.

Unionists supported by both Governments have always claimed it was Republicans that needed to change. It's understandable why they have held that line. Unionists today are a product of the great success of consecutive British and Irish governments. Even today, in Dublin in particular, John Hume is the Hero of peace. This is deny any credit of changes made by Republicans and credit the middle man from the Nationalist community. There is no such person credited from the Unionist side as there was no change demanded from Uionnists
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 23, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Who was that DUP man on Nolan last night? He doesn't care about what happens, so long as the UK are out of EU. Says a lot really.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: sensethetone on February 23, 2017, 09:33:01 AM
Who was that DUP man on Nolan last night? He doesn't care about what happens, so long as the UK are out of EU. Says a lot really.

Nelson McCausland who maintains the Irish language act will cost 100 million a year.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 23, 2017, 09:53:36 AM
Andy Pollacks article in the IT retweet this am sums up DUP voters/unionist voters very well.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
SF voters are generally as much plumpers as any unionist, they won't even transfer a vote to any other non-unionist for fear of allowing any progress other than for their own party.

I think that's an inaccurate analysis TYP.

In the 2016 election, SF voters transferred 21,672 votes. 
Alliance got 768, Cons 1, DUP 111, Greens 878, Independents 83, PBP 67, PUP 10, SDLP 3049, SF 15,687, TUV 11, UKIP 31, UUP 224, WP 750.

72% of SF transferred votes went to SF candidates.  Only 14% to SDLP and 13% to non-nationalist parties.

61% of DUP transferred to DUP.

Interesting figures ... but..

You could also say that the 72% SF to SF was higher than the 61% DUP to DUP because the DUP will transfer to "any" unionist just to keep "themuns" out .. whereas more SF voters stick to their own party & manifesto...... i.e. Not just a sectarian vote ..

I'd be interested to know what percentage of DUP transfers went to Nationalists ... but then again that doesn't tell us the real picture either as many unionists would transfer for the SDLP in an attempt to keep SF out .... and to be fair, you will get a bit of this from both sides !!

So these figures don't really tell us anything..  well, nothing you can really analyse anyway ..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 23, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Jesus, I used to think Claire Hanna would be a shining light for the Stoops, but she is worse than Big Dolly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 11:03:37 AM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on February 23, 2017, 11:16:54 AM
Nelson is as big a bigot as they have which is saying something.

We are also waiting for grand plans to recoup the RHI money too.

A border is the only reason these clowns want Brexit in my view. They probably seeing it as strengthening "the union" when in fact all it will do will be push middle grounders(and some less than middle ground) more against it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
Nelson is as big a bigot as they have which is saying something.

We are also waiting for grand plans to recoup the RHI money too.

A border is the only reason these clowns want Brexit in my view. They probably seeing it as strengthening "the union" when in fact all it will do will be push middle grounders(and some less than middle ground) more against it.

Yeah, they arent half as smart as they think they are .. they couldnt run a sweetie shop ... its some fall from the "keepers of the flame" as regards their financial/business acumen that they've been peddling for years ...  Incompetent morons at best .. incompetent corrupt morons at worst..

As for Brexit, you're right, it could and hopefully will, backfire on them big time ..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on February 23, 2017, 12:46:05 PM


As for Brexit, you're right, it could and hopefully will, backfire on them big time ..

Be careful what you wish for. Regardless if they get punished, we're all in this together now and a backfire is on us all.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on February 23, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
The DUP can make as many blunders as they want, safe in the knowledge that their core support of fellow bigots will continue to elect them. A big pharmaceutical company near me has bought a facility in Dundalk on the back of Brexit yet you won't hear a word from those c***ts about the potential loss of jobs, of Portadown of all places. All they've to do is blabber about SF and Gerry Adams and they'll secure their vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 02:06:02 PM


As for Brexit, you're right, it could and hopefully will, backfire on them big time ..

Be careful what you wish for. Regardless if they get punished, we're all in this together now and a backfire is on us all.

Oh dont get me wrong .. I certainly dont wish for Brexit .. the opposite actually as I agree it will be awful for Ireland, North & South .... However, "if" Brexit is set in stone, then I hope the feck it backfires on them big time re the union which is seemingly "all" they care about ...They'd rather risk being horribly poor and in the sh1t & uber British than well off and out of the union....   That idiot McCauslands comments last night prove this .. as if we didnt know already..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 23, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
This election will pan out the same even with a larger nationalist turn out due to the despicable behaviour of the DUP
But the next few years are going to be interesting. if Brexit becomess reality and the economical implications as a result then the unionist electorate will turn on them
I really beleave Scotland will vote for independence too ( after brexit )throwing the union into turmoil
Plus the demographic shift when the older and staunch unionist vote is gone
The struggle continues against all the dogmatic condescension that the DUP and their electorate bring but even they know the worm is turning
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on February 23, 2017, 02:52:28 PM
Who was that DUP man on Nolan last night? He doesn't care about what happens, so long as the UK are out of EU. Says a lot really.

LAD pretty much sums it up https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=594692357402386&id=167750270096599 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=594692357402386&id=167750270096599)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
This election will pan out the same even with a larger nationalist turn out due to the despicable behaviour of the DUP
But the next few years are going to be interesting. if Brexit becomess reality and the economical implications as a result then the unionist electorate will turn on them
I really beleave Scotland will vote for independence too ( after brexit )throwing the union into turmoil
Plus the demographic shift when the older and staunch unionist vote is gone
The struggle continues against all the dogmatic condescension that the DUP and their electorate bring but even they know the worm is turning

Yep, .. it is strange though that they don't seem to want to factor in the changing demographics ... another ten years will make all the difference..

You'd think they'd be a little smarter but no, I guess they just arent that smart, or maybe they are simply so utterly blinded by bigotry that they just cant help themselves ...   The scorpion & the Frog comes to mind !!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 23, 2017, 04:33:44 PM


As for Brexit, you're right, it could and hopefully will, backfire on them big time ..

Be careful what you wish for. Regardless if they get punished, we're all in this together now and a backfire is on us all.

Oh dont get me wrong .. I certainly dont wish for Brexit .. the opposite actually as I agree it will be awful for Ireland, North & South .... However, "if" Brexit is set in stone, then I hope the feck it backfires on them big time re the union which is seemingly "all" they care about ...They'd rather risk being horribly poor and in the sh1t & uber British than well off and out of the union....   That idiot McCauslands comments last night prove this .. as if we didnt know already..

Just a more up to date version of the mantra "we'd rather eat grass than live in a UI"  They think Brexit copper fastens the Union
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on February 23, 2017, 04:42:52 PM
Whilst not in the least surprised by McCausland and his ilk, I despair that the DUP and their supporters are so unsure of their position on this Island that they fear equality. Equality nationalists with the reflection of same in the symbols and icons of the state could secure the union for ever. Their current approach could absolutely break the union.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on February 23, 2017, 04:50:52 PM
That can be seen in the ludicrous interpretation of gerry's comments about equality. Clearly terrified of it, but little wonder given how they interpreted it for most of NI's existence
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 23, 2017, 05:01:00 PM
Ah, they dont want equality, or anything even related to it .. they want domination .. nothing else will suffice  ::)

And the sad thing is, the older I get and the more I see them in action, the more I realise (sadly) that if the troubles hadn't happened, this place would still be in a 1950s Stormont nightmare scenario....   Its slipping away from them though and the change is ultimately unstoppable and its not going to make them any easier to live with for the foreseeable....  :-\
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 23, 2017, 05:54:17 PM
Ah, they dont want equality, or anything even related to it .. they want domination .. nothing else will suffice  ::)

And the sad thing is, the older I get and the more I see them in action, the more I realise (sadly) that if the troubles hadn't happened, this place would still be in a 1950s Stormont nightmare scenario....   Its slipping away from them though and the change is ultimately unstoppable and its not going to make them any easier to live with for the foreseeable....  :-\

That is a worry
Things have come a long way for nationalist and the good Friday agreement has brought a new air of confidence through equality and this won't do in some quarters
The Dup sell hatred towards nationalist to maintain the polarisation and that equats to the biggot vote
If things change for the better for us anymore then get ready for the backlash
If that's the case so be it as this last few weeks have really been infuriating with some of the bile arnie and her cronies have been spewing
They just don't want power share on a democratic platform as it doesn't fill their oppressive mindset
A few more years of political struggle is no big shakes sure we are use to it


Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 23, 2017, 11:23:18 PM
No word from big Arnie on who the donor of the 250k was. Now there's a surprise.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on February 24, 2017, 08:09:20 AM
The Democratic Unionist Party has confirmed that it received £425,000 from a group of business people led by a Scottish Conservative party member and passed it on to help fund the UK pro-Brexit campaign.

The money was used to help finance an advertising campaign in Britain during the EU referendum.

The money was given to the DUP by the Constitutional Research Council, which is chaired by Richard Cook, a former vice chairman of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Defending the transaction, the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson said the party did its bit to give the British people the opportunity to once again govern their own affairs.


As part of the campaign, there was an expensive four-page 'Vote To Leave EU' advertisement in the British Metro newspaper.

The paper is available in London and other cities but not in Northern Ireland.

The DUP had faced calls to reveal how the cash was raised for the campaign.

DUP leader Arlene Foster had admitted that the party received donations after registering as a Leave campaigner.

However, when pushed for details about the donors during a recent UTV pre-election debate, she would only say: "From an organisation in England that wants to see the union kept and make sure we can have a United Kingdom."

Donations to political parties in Northern Ireland are kept confidential for fear of identifying donors. But other political parties had demanded that the DUP clarify who funded its "lavish" pro-Brexit advertising campaign.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 24, 2017, 08:34:09 AM
Surely that might bring them down?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 24, 2017, 10:01:38 AM
The DUP are saying that they spent it all on the leave campain. Don't believe that for one second. They really have been looking after themselves while the rest of the people have been made to suffer
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
Looks like trouble ahead for those donating and spending money in the referendum:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39075244 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39075244)

From the Electoral Commission:

Issues under consideration

Issues under consideration include the following, although further issues involving these or other campaigners may come to light:

Both the lead campaigners – The IN Campaign Limited (‘Britain Stronger in Europe’) and Vote Leave Limited – do not appear to have delivered all the necessary invoices and receipts to support their returns. There are also issues with the delivery of all the details required in the return, including supplier details for a number of payments. The Liberal Democrats spending return also appears to be missing some details including invoices, receipts and supplier names.
One campaigner, the European Movement of the UK Limited, declared a total spend of £329,000 but has supplied payment details of only £290,000.
Two campaigners, Labour Leave and the UK Independence Party submitted returns with discrepancies in the way they reported the same campaigning activity.
One campaigner, Mr Peter Harris, delivered his spending return late and without the required audit report. Another campaigner, Conservatives IN, appears to have delivered a donation report late.
The Commission has not yet determined whether any offences have been committed in respect of these issues.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 10:29:12 AM
Just look at how much DUP spent compared to others:

From the Electoral Commission:

Leave campaigners   Reported spend (£)

Brexit Express   £630,236
Democracy Movement   £421,308
Democratic Unionist Party - D.U.P.   £425,622
Labour Leave Limited   £494,897
Leave.EU Group Ltd   £693,022
Mr Peter Harris   £421,433
UK Independence Party (UKIP)   £1,354,393
Vote Leave Limited   £6,789,892
WAGTV Limited   £303,623

Leave total   £11,534,426

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/details-of-major-campaign-spending-during-eu-referendum-published-by-electoral-commission (http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/details-of-major-campaign-spending-during-eu-referendum-published-by-electoral-commission)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
Here's how they spent it:

£890.00    17/06/2016   Oasis Design Studio   A3 Ash Building, Willowbank Business Park, Larne, BT40 2SF,
£600.00    17/06/2016   Independent News and Media Ltd   124-144 Royal Avenue, Belfast, BT1 1EB
£99,616.00    10/06/2016   Soopa Doopa   Richmond House, Broad Street, Ely, CB7 4AH,
£3,120.00    17/06/2016   Independent News and Media Ltd   124-144 Royal Avenue, Belfast, BT1 1EB,
£1,800.00    22/06/2016   Independent News and Media Ltd   124-144 Royal Avenue, Belfast, BT1 1EB,
£32,750.73    20/06/2016   Aggregate IQ   240-560 Johnson Street, Victoria, V8W 3C6, Canada
£2,570.40    17/06/2016   Johnston Publishing   2 Esky Drive, Portadown, BT63 5YY,
£108.00    22/06/2016   Alpha Newspaper Group   Unit 179 Moygashel Mills, Dungannon, BT71 7HB,
£90.00    22/06/2016   Alpha Newspaper Group   Unit 179 Moygashel Mills, Dungannon, BT71 7HB,
£432.00    22/06/2016   Tapestry   51-52 Frith Street, London, W1D 4SH, United Kingdom
£282,000.00    21/06/2016   Associated Newspapers Ltd   A&N Media Finance Services, PO Box 6795, Leicester, LE1 1ZP
£1,645.00    14/06/2016   Belfast Mall and Marketing   Suite 2, 100 University Street, Belfast, BT7 1HE,
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
The DUP are saying that they spent it all on the leave campain. Don't believe that for one second. They really have been looking after themselves while the rest of the people have been made to suffer

Look's like it was all raised and spent. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 24, 2017, 11:33:37 AM
Peter Weir a shambles on the Nolan radio show this morning.  Stumbling through most of it - hard to believe he is a former barrister
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 24, 2017, 11:44:11 AM
Peter Weir a shambles on the Nolan radio show this morning.  Stumbling through most of it - hard to believe he is a former barrister
The old "with respect" line lost its meaning after the 250th time he used it. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 24, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
The people that will be voting for DUP will not care that their party was devoting a lot a man hours on a brexit campaign instead of putting those resources into making NI more efficient
All that admin work for a campaign that n Ireland voted against and they couldn't cop on the RHI scheme was draining taxpayers money
What else do they have to do before even a hardline biggot voter starts to say "hold on a minute here"
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 24, 2017, 12:06:28 PM
The DUP are saying that they spent it all on the leave campain. Don't believe that for one second. They really have been looking after themselves while the rest of the people have been made to suffer

Look's like it was all raised and spent.

Just like any GAA team's training budget, everything above board and no breach of amateur status.


The people that will be voting for DUP will not care that their party was devoting a lot a man hours on a brexit campaign instead of putting those resources into making NI more efficient
All that admin work for a campaign that n Ireland voted against and they couldn't cop on the RHI scheme was draining taxpayers money
What else do they have to do before even a hardline biggot voter starts to say "hold on a minute here"

Hardline bigots tend not to frame questions this way.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 24, 2017, 12:26:36 PM
Your right they might not use that exact terminology but I think they might still take a small hit on Election Day
A small minority has to apply some balanced perspective
Having said that not enough to effect their dominant party status
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 24, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
Jebus, that Peter Weirdo fella was bloody terrible .. Fair play to Nolan he had him in knots .. mind you my Dog could nearly have done that ... Just showed up "yet again" how pathetic the DUP really are .. No manifesto at all .... just bigotry !!

Someone would need to tell him that saying "with respect" doesnt actually help in his bumbling  ::)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hectic on February 24, 2017, 01:48:21 PM
Yeah sure Arlene has said the magic words that we all knew she would say and the rabble will mobilize to vote her party back in.

Magic words - 'keep Sinn Fein out of the top position' - nothing about how they are going to sort the country out - but then again why waste your breath when it just requires those few words.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 24, 2017, 01:55:46 PM
The Democratic Unionist Party has confirmed that it received £425,000 from a group of business people led by a Scottish Conservative party member and passed it on to help fund the UK pro-Brexit campaign.

The money was used to help finance an advertising campaign in Britain during the EU referendum.

The money was given to the DUP by the Constitutional Research Council, which is chaired by Richard Cook, a former vice chairman of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Defending the transaction, the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson said the party did its bit to give the British people the opportunity to once again govern their own affairs.


As part of the campaign, there was an expensive four-page 'Vote To Leave EU' advertisement in the British Metro newspaper.

The paper is available in London and other cities but not in Northern Ireland.

The DUP had faced calls to reveal how the cash was raised for the campaign.

DUP leader Arlene Foster had admitted that the party received donations after registering as a Leave campaigner.

However, when pushed for details about the donors during a recent UTV pre-election debate, she would only say: "From an organisation in England that wants to see the union kept and make sure we can have a United Kingdom."

Donations to political parties in Northern Ireland are kept confidential for fear of identifying donors. But other political parties had demanded that the DUP clarify who funded its "lavish" pro-Brexit advertising campaign.

Amazed that they published this but I guess they looked at it and thought their voters wouldn't mind .. actually they might like it   :-\ ..

Saying all that, are they really in the clear? .... I'd be interested to know exactly how much they received and exactly how much they paid out  ... Just to see if they were basically prostituting themselves .. Aron Banks said they asked for £30k per month to back his leave campaign.....   Is there more of this to come out ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: take_yer_points on February 24, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
Jebus, that Peter Weirdo fella was bloody terrible .. Fair play to Nolan he had him in knots .. mind you my Dog could nearly have done that ... Just showed up "yet again" how pathetic the DUP really are .. No manifesto at all .... just bigotry !!

Someone would need to tell him that saying "with respect" doesnt actually help in his bumbling  ::)

Just listening to it - "with respect on it", don't know how many times he said that. Nolan wasn't too far wrong saying to him "you're all over the place" a few times
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 24, 2017, 02:13:56 PM
Jebus, that Peter Weirdo fella was bloody terrible .. Fair play to Nolan he had him in knots .. mind you my Dog could nearly have done that ... Just showed up "yet again" how pathetic the DUP really are .. No manifesto at all .... just bigotry !!

Someone would need to tell him that saying "with respect" doesnt actually help in his bumbling  ::)

Just listening to it - "with respect on it", don't know how many times he said that. Nolan wasn't too far wrong saying to him "you're all over the place" a few times

Aye unreal .. they're all "all over the place" .. but alas  ::)

Whats the "with respect" sh1te all about ... its like a tick or something  :o
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 24, 2017, 02:17:26 PM
The Democratic Unionist Party has confirmed that it received £425,000 from a group of business people led by a Scottish Conservative party member and passed it on to help fund the UK pro-Brexit campaign.

The money was used to help finance an advertising campaign in Britain during the EU referendum.

The money was given to the DUP by the Constitutional Research Council, which is chaired by Richard Cook, a former vice chairman of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Defending the transaction, the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson said the party did its bit to give the British people the opportunity to once again govern their own affairs.


As part of the campaign, there was an expensive four-page 'Vote To Leave EU' advertisement in the British Metro newspaper.

The paper is available in London and other cities but not in Northern Ireland.

The DUP had faced calls to reveal how the cash was raised for the campaign.

DUP leader Arlene Foster had admitted that the party received donations after registering as a Leave campaigner.

However, when pushed for details about the donors during a recent UTV pre-election debate, she would only say: "From an organisation in England that wants to see the union kept and make sure we can have a United Kingdom."

Donations to political parties in Northern Ireland are kept confidential for fear of identifying donors. But other political parties had demanded that the DUP clarify who funded its "lavish" pro-Brexit advertising campaign.

Amazed that they published this but I guess they looked at it and thought their voters wouldn't mind .. actually they might like it   :-\ ..

Saying all that, are they really in the clear? .... I'd be interested to know exactly how much they received and exactly how much they paid out  ... Just to see if they were basically prostituting themselves .. Aron Banks said they asked for £30k per month to back his leave campaign.....   Is there more of this to come out ?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/15114417.Business_group_behind_mystery_DUP_Brexit_donation_says_it_could_spend_more_opposing_independence/?ref=rss
possibly "donating" against the SNP next .....

I'd love to know a bit more about this "Group of Businessmen" and are the really just uber unionists or are they somehow gonna make £££ out of this?

Either way, they're obviously as thick as the DUP as Brexit certainly aint gonna help the union in the long run ..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: oisinog on February 24, 2017, 02:23:50 PM
The Democratic Unionist Party has confirmed that it received £425,000 from a group of business people led by a Scottish Conservative party member and passed it on to help fund the UK pro-Brexit campaign.

The money was used to help finance an advertising campaign in Britain during the EU referendum.

The money was given to the DUP by the Constitutional Research Council, which is chaired by Richard Cook, a former vice chairman of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Defending the transaction, the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson said the party did its bit to give the British people the opportunity to once again govern their own affairs.


As part of the campaign, there was an expensive four-page 'Vote To Leave EU' advertisement in the British Metro newspaper.

The paper is available in London and other cities but not in Northern Ireland.

The DUP had faced calls to reveal how the cash was raised for the campaign.

DUP leader Arlene Foster had admitted that the party received donations after registering as a Leave campaigner.

However, when pushed for details about the donors during a recent UTV pre-election debate, she would only say: "From an organisation in England that wants to see the union kept and make sure we can have a United Kingdom."

Donations to political parties in Northern Ireland are kept confidential for fear of identifying donors. But other political parties had demanded that the DUP clarify who funded its "lavish" pro-Brexit advertising campaign.

Amazed that they published this but I guess they looked at it and thought their voters wouldn't mind .. actually they might like it   :-\ ..

Saying all that, are they really in the clear? .... I'd be interested to know exactly how much they received and exactly how much they paid out  ... Just to see if they were basically prostituting themselves .. Aron Banks said they asked for £30k per month to back his leave campaign.....   Is there more of this to come out ?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/15114417.Business_group_behind_mystery_DUP_Brexit_donation_says_it_could_spend_more_opposing_independence/?ref=rss
possibly "donating" against the SNP next .....

I'd love to know a bit more about this "Group of Businessmen" and are the really just uber unionists or are they somehow gonna make £££ out of this?

Either way, they're obviously as thick as the DUP as Brexit certainly aint gonna help the union ..

They are still not really telling us where the funds have came from. Its a group of businessmen is this one person or 100 people its really as clear as mud
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 24, 2017, 03:13:27 PM
My bets is that it leads back to the Royal family
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 24, 2017, 03:13:58 PM
The Democratic Unionist Party has confirmed that it received £425,000 from a group of business people led by a Scottish Conservative party member and passed it on to help fund the UK pro-Brexit campaign.

The money was used to help finance an advertising campaign in Britain during the EU referendum.

The money was given to the DUP by the Constitutional Research Council, which is chaired by Richard Cook, a former vice chairman of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Defending the transaction, the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson said the party did its bit to give the British people the opportunity to once again govern their own affairs.


As part of the campaign, there was an expensive four-page 'Vote To Leave EU' advertisement in the British Metro newspaper.

The paper is available in London and other cities but not in Northern Ireland.

The DUP had faced calls to reveal how the cash was raised for the campaign.

DUP leader Arlene Foster had admitted that the party received donations after registering as a Leave campaigner.

However, when pushed for details about the donors during a recent UTV pre-election debate, she would only say: "From an organisation in England that wants to see the union kept and make sure we can have a United Kingdom."

Donations to political parties in Northern Ireland are kept confidential for fear of identifying donors. But other political parties had demanded that the DUP clarify who funded its "lavish" pro-Brexit advertising campaign.

Amazed that they published this but I guess they looked at it and thought their voters wouldn't mind .. actually they might like it   :-\ ..

Saying all that, are they really in the clear? .... I'd be interested to know exactly how much they received and exactly how much they paid out  ... Just to see if they were basically prostituting themselves .. Aron Banks said they asked for £30k per month to back his leave campaign.....   Is there more of this to come out ?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/15114417.Business_group_behind_mystery_DUP_Brexit_donation_says_it_could_spend_more_opposing_independence/?ref=rss
possibly "donating" against the SNP next .....

I'd love to know a bit more about this "Group of Businessmen" and are the really just uber unionists or are they somehow gonna make £££ out of this?

Either way, they're obviously as thick as the DUP as Brexit certainly aint gonna help the union ..

They are still not really telling us where the funds have came from. Its a group of businessmen is this one person or 100 people its really as clear as mud

Yeah, I smell a rat .. they were visibly crapping themselves about this a few days ago and now this ... its all a bit too sanitary  ???
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 24, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
Peter Weir a shambles on the Nolan radio show this morning.  Stumbling through most of it - hard to believe he is a former barrister

That interview wasn't a car crash, it was a mass pile up.  It was actually worse than Chris Hazzard's last time on the economy. I've never heard the DUP as bad at communicating as they have been since the RHI came to the fore.  In any normal society they'd get about 10 votes.  Incredibly and unfortunately they'll probably be the biggest party.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 06:37:26 PM

Yeah, I smell a rat .. they were visibly crapping themselves about this a few days ago and now this ... its all a bit too sanitary  ???

You have to be in the mindset of the DUP to understand why they were concerned about the donation.  First of all it was £200K more than was being considered a scandal and secondly the average core DUP supporter is in middle to later life and usually a parsimonious, God fearing individual.  So their true fear was how their hardcore supporter would react.  Hence the spin that it was a move to retain the union when it had nothing to do with the union.

They are admitting to retain £9K of the donation for their own use.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 24, 2017, 06:57:57 PM
Peter Weir a shambles on the Nolan radio show this morning.  Stumbling through most of it - hard to believe he is a former barrister

That interview wasn't a car crash, it was a mass pile up.  It was actually worse than Chris Hazzard's last time on the economy. I've never heard the DUP as bad at communicating as they have been since the RHI came to the fore.  In any normal society they'd get about 10 votes.  Incredibly and unfortunately they'll probably be the biggest party.

Peter Weir is in serious trouble.  He was moved from his current constituency of North Down into Strangford to replace Jonathan Bell but Bell will retain much of his support.  This will mean that he is competing for a seat against fellow ministers Simon Hamilton and Michelle McIlveen. One DUP minister will fall.

Strangford Candidates:
Alliance   Kellie Armstrong      
UUP   Mike Nesbitt      
UUP   Philip Smith   
Ind.   Jonathan Bell      
DUP   Simon Hamilton      
DUP   Michelle McIlveen      
Green (NI)   Ricky Bamford      
NI Conservatives   Scott Benton      
SDLP   Joe Boyle      
TUV   Stephen Cooper      
Sinn Féin   Dermot Kennedy      
Independent   Jimmy Menagh         
DUP   Peter Weir

This was a tight constituency in 2016 with a quota of just 4,663, only Nesbitt and McIlveen scraped quotas and all parties needing transfers from those eliminated.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: smelmoth on February 24, 2017, 08:45:47 PM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 25, 2017, 07:47:56 PM
Lads just discovered that no polling cards have arrived for either me or the wife. I have always voted and am raging if they have took us off the registrar. What do i do.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2017, 08:03:04 PM
My bets is that it leads back to the Royal family
It think it could be even worse. They may be covering it up because it came from the Pope.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 25, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Lads just discovered that no polling cards have arrived for either me or the wife. I have always voted and am raging if they have took us off the registrar. What do i do.
Phone up the electoral commission and ask - you don't need the polling card. Just make sure you are on it. Number is on the website.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on February 26, 2017, 10:02:02 AM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer
Long live our Tory overlords
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: smelmoth on February 26, 2017, 08:56:23 PM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer
Long live our Tory overlords

Whats your point?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on February 26, 2017, 09:21:10 PM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer
Long live our Tory overlords

Whats your point?
My point is you are a narrow minded gobshite.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: smelmoth on February 26, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer
Long live our Tory overlords

Whats your point?
My point is you are a narrow minded gobshite.

Based on what exactly?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on February 26, 2017, 11:02:58 PM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2017, 11:08:33 PM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.

The "younger generation" need to get off their arses and Facebook and vote for someone else. It is true that many of the others are largely useless, but useless is different from malign. The "younger generation" in England let the pensioners vote themselves out of the EU, with long term consequences. NI has a particular problem with Brexit and people with some interest in the future need to vote.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.
In working class Loyalist areas and hardcore farmer areas this shite they are pumping out is pure gold. They'll take no hurt in those areas. I'd be surprised if there is much change for either SF and DUP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 26, 2017, 11:55:20 PM
There is Claire somebody from PBP on the BBC tonight who is still spinning that there is "fearmongering re the border" and Sinn Féin are posturing, rather "that border communities should be asked what they want" FFS. Of course she does not suggest any scintilla of a plan as to how border problems are to be avoided. Why are people in West Belfast voting for people that are at one with Theresa May in lies?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.
In working class Loyalist areas and hardcore farmer areas this shite they are pumping out is pure gold. They'll take no hurt in those areas. I'd be surprised if there is much change for either SF and DUP.

Not sure about hardcore farmers, they know they're in for a royal screwing once the EU subsidies go, but Mike TV isn't really giving them a plan B other than some fantastical enterprise zone to be funded by god knows who!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: NAG1 on February 27, 2017, 09:50:02 AM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.
In working class Loyalist areas and hardcore farmer areas this shite they are pumping out is pure gold. They'll take no hurt in those areas. I'd be surprised if there is much change for either SF and DUP.

Not sure about hardcore farmers, they know they're in for a royal screwing once the EU subsidies go, but Mike TV isn't really giving them a plan B other than some fantastical enterprise zone to be funded by god knows who!

Why did the Farmers Union then campaign to leave? That one has always baffled me.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 27, 2017, 09:53:57 AM
Because they are another arm of the Orange Order. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: NAG1 on February 27, 2017, 10:10:30 AM
Because they are another arm of the Orange Order. Simple as that.

That bit I get but you cant campaign to leave and then complain about losing subsidies. It was a crazy position and looking increasingly so.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 27, 2017, 10:24:09 AM
They have to complain to be seen to be putting pressure on the British government to replicate these subsidies when the UK leaves Europe. This is the main goal of the farmers Union,  if they get this then everything is rosie.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 27, 2017, 10:26:00 AM
DUP have ran a horrible sectarian election campaign based on stoking up fear, division and hatred. It might benefit them short term in this election but longer term they hold little appeal for the younger generation who will tend not to vote in great numbers. Some of their interviews from their candidates in recent weeks have been absolutely shocking.
In working class Loyalist areas and hardcore farmer areas this shite they are pumping out is pure gold. They'll take no hurt in those areas. I'd be surprised if there is much change for either SF and DUP.

Not sure about hardcore farmers, they know they're in for a royal screwing once the EU subsidies go, but Mike TV isn't really giving them a plan B other than some fantastical enterprise zone to be funded by god knows who!

Why did the Farmers Union then campaign to leave? That one has always baffled me.

I think technically the UFU were "neutral" on the issue (the Farmers' Unions in England, Scotland and Wales were all for Remain).
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 27, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
There is Claire somebody from PBP on the BBC tonight who is still spinning that there is "fearmongering re the border" and Sinn Féin are posturing, rather "that border communities should be asked what they want" FFS. Of course she does not suggest any scintilla of a plan as to how border problems are to be avoided. Why are people in West Belfast voting for people that are at one with Theresa May in lies?

At the weekend North Belfast PBP candidate Fiona Ferguson described the outcome of the referendum as "the right result".  PBP are pure ideologues whose only policies are cut and pasted from "Trotskyism for Dummies".  There's not a pragmatic cell in their brains.  I wouldn't give them a single figure preference (plus the fact they're not standing in my constituency!)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2017, 12:33:58 PM
They have to complain to be seen to be putting pressure on the British government to replicate these subsidies when the UK leaves Europe. This is the main goal of the farmers Union,  if they get this then everything is rosie.

It isn't quite that simple, some hope that tariffs on EU products will drive up prices for those inside the wall. This is all fine for some products, but then the place is flooded with Brazilian beef and genetically enhanced American stuff. Either way I think subsidies for farmers will not last, if you look at any comments in England they are along the lines of "no way will we give the money saved from the EU to the focking rich farmers". 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on February 27, 2017, 01:02:52 PM
Steve Aiken from UUP possibly a worse performance than Peter Weir from DUP on Nolan this morning
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2017, 01:29:50 PM
Because they are another arm of the Orange Order. Simple as that.

That bit I get but you cant campaign to leave and then complain about losing subsidies. It was a crazy position and looking increasingly so.

Sure isn't that exactly what Diane Dodds was doing the other week. They really haven't a clue and Westminster won't be long telling them where to get off when the begging bowl is presented.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2017, 01:36:51 PM
Because they are another arm of the Orange Order. Simple as that.

That bit I get but you cant campaign to leave and then complain about losing subsidies. It was a crazy position and looking increasingly so.

Sure isn't that exactly what Diane Dodds was doing the other week. They really haven't a clue and Westminster won't be long telling them where to get off when the begging bowl is presented.

May will promise subsidies for a year or so, and then just say that she cannot commit beyond the election or whatever. Dodds has some neck, since the DUP supported Brexit in the full knowledge that farmers would lose out over time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on February 27, 2017, 02:13:46 PM
Farmers should look to N.Zealand to see what will happen outside the EU.  When NZ was cut off by UK when it joined the single market, its farmers lost all subsidies and the industry was allowed to drift until it found its own level.  While farms in NZ are fairly large, those in N.Ireland are relatively small and less likely to survive without EU subsidies.

UK government cares little for its agriculture industry, its first concern is the provision of low cost food regardless of quality.  It can import food cheaply and of lower quality under the guise of removal of regulations.  Any rise in food prices is immediately a cause for concern for the government given the unrest it will bring and the rise in inflation.  So, imports will replace subsidised food from local farmers.  Farmers only need to look at the power of the supermarkets with the milk industry as an example.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 27, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
Lets say the UK are going to model its farming sector on the NZ one then this is what needs to happen
- small farmers have to be forced out/bought over by the larger farmers
- field sizes will have to increase, hedges ripped out (that Europe has paid to be put in place)
- area's will need to be designated as producing just one type of produce

Can you really see this happening over here, i don't
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 27, 2017, 03:19:19 PM
LAD's guide to the STV system:

Ok, we've been asked a lot about this, so here's our summary of the Single Transferable Vote and how to use it best:
1) If your preferred party is fielding multiple candidates, then follow their guidance on voting preference. They'll have worked out the best strategy for reaching quota and maximising transfers.
2) If there's a party you would very much like to see lose, maybe they're a bunch of hate-spewing, bigoted, corrupt t**ts that wanna keep the North stuck in 1953, whatever the are, you'll want to vote by preference for *every* candidate on the ballot, and make sure that your least preferred party is at the bottom of the list.
The reason this second option is preferable is because of the way vote tallies are calculated. By only selecting your top three or four preferences, you increase the chances of removing your ballot from later rounds of vote counting, thus lowering the effective quota that a hateful bunch of fascists would require to gain power and continue shitting on the electorate.
TLDR version: Vote for every candidate in order of preference, not just your top 3 or 4.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 27, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
So it turns out that i cant vote as my name is not on the register. >:(
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Feckitt on February 27, 2017, 05:34:42 PM
SF running a bus from Queens to Armagh for the elections on Thursday evening.  Spread the word.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on February 27, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
SF running a bus from Queens to Armagh for the elections on Thursday evening.  Spread the word.

I don't go to Queens and I don't live in Armagh.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: michaelg on February 27, 2017, 06:32:52 PM
SF running a bus from Queens to Armagh for the elections on Thursday evening.  Spread the word.
Do they allow any Prods on the bus?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 27, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
SF running a bus from Queens to Armagh for the elections on Thursday evening.  Spread the word.
Do they allow any Prods on the bus?

As long as they vote SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 27, 2017, 06:58:56 PM
SF running a bus from Queens to Armagh for the elections on Thursday evening.  Spread the word.

I don't go to Queens and I don't live in Armagh.

I'm sure the bus operators will sort you out with a polling card.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 28, 2017, 09:19:50 AM
Alex Attwood just refereed to Derry as Derry/Londonderry on the Nolan show......jesus wept. This simple statement sums up what is wrong with the SDLP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on February 28, 2017, 09:34:56 AM
Alex Attwood just refereed to Derry as Derry/Londonderry on the Nolan show......jesus wept. This simple statement sums up what is wrong with the SDLP.
Who exactly is he trying to impress?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: smort on February 28, 2017, 09:39:01 AM
Alex Attwood just refereed to Derry as Derry/Londonderry on the Nolan show......jesus wept. This simple statement sums up what is wrong with the SDLP.
Who exactly is he trying to impress?

UUP voters
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: sensethetone on February 28, 2017, 09:44:46 AM
Alex Attwood just refereed to Derry as Derry/Londonderry on the Nolan show......jesus wept. This simple statement sums up what is wrong with the SDLP.
Who exactly is he trying to impress?

UUP voters
he drags it out a bit.. imagine he's on the radio this morning to put himself out there as he only got in and no more last time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 28, 2017, 10:07:13 AM
Attwood: "The problem I have with your question Vinny..."

Vinny: "Is that you don't know the answer?"
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 28, 2017, 10:09:51 AM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ha ha derry on February 28, 2017, 10:55:30 AM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!

However down 3% from the last election.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on February 28, 2017, 10:57:55 AM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!

Local government , assembly , Westminster , European Parliament .  4 levels of government interfering in people's lives .  Two is more than enough TBH .
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on February 28, 2017, 11:35:51 AM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!
However down 3% from the last election.

Yes, they'll bite your hand off for that outcome.  No major ground made up by Mike and Colum.  As a caveat those figures are based only on people who said they would definitely be voting.  There are probably some undecideds who will vote to be factored in.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2017, 12:07:50 PM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!

The publication of their manifesto give them a boost.
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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 28, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
The lovely Nelson McCausland on Nolan last night proved again what a wee bitter weasel he is .. he doesnt care about the consequences as long as "we're free from Europe" .. basically they think a hard border will be good for OWC in that it widens the gap between the North and the Republic ... The incorrectly think/hope that they can get back to Stormont 1950 ..  FFS  ::)

Also, as regards himself, poots and Big Arnie Fister saying that the Brexit donor details will all be released today ... I wouldnt hold my breath .. I would be amazed if they release the details ... it will be another case (as per RHI recipients) of them pretending to "want" to release the details but "alas we cant because the Donor wont hear of it" .....  I could be wrong but I will believe it when I see it..

Nelson is a tube. Wouldn't get elected anywhere normal.

But I wouldn't get too carried away with his comments. Ask any shinner if they want a united ireland even if the consequences were negative and you will get a similarly narrow minded gobshite answer

Afraid I have to disagree on that one ...  Lots & lots of Sf voters would NOT vote for a UI if they thought it would leave us all in the sh1te !!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OakleafCounty on February 28, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
Latest Lucid Talk Poll shows DUP at 26.3%, actually UP from the last poll.  God save us all - there is no hope for this rotten state!

Local government , assembly , Westminster , European Parliament .  4 levels of government interfering in people's lives .  Two is more than enough TBH .

Europe's going anyway. At this stage I'd probably get rid of the assembly if I had to pick one of the remaining three.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2017, 02:33:41 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 28, 2017, 03:49:41 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.

They are basing their arguments on how bad the other side are.

Equality isnt an issue for me
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2017, 04:19:24 PM
Why not?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on February 28, 2017, 06:29:35 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.

They are basing their arguments on how bad the other side are.

Equality isnt an issue for me

No they arent .. Sf are basing their main arguments on the RHI scandal, previous scandals and equality ... the DUP are just scaremongering re historical insecurities...

Same ole thing again with the erroneous view that both sides are as bad as eachother .... I honestly cant see how you or anyone cannot see the difference .. If we are going to move forward, we have to live in the hear & now ... Would you not agree that the DUP are either grossly incompetent &/or corrupt in their dealings with RHI, Red Sky , Irisgate, Petergate, NAMA etc.....

I dont see how SF bringing that up (as do all the other parties including the UUP by the way) is remotely akin to the DUP simply dredging up supposed bogeymen and trying to scare the bejasus out of their electorate .. who unfortunately fall for the same ole dung every time  ::)

Also, equality is the main issue for me ..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2017, 07:03:06 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.

They are basing their arguments on how bad the other side are.

Equality isnt an issue for me

No they arent .. Sf are basing their main arguments on the RHI scandal, previous scandals and equality ... the DUP are just scaremongering re historical insecurities...

Same ole thing again with the erroneous view that both sides are as bad as eachother .... I honestly cant see how you or anyone cannot see the difference .. If we are going to move forward, we have to live in the hear & now ... Would you not agree that the DUP are either grossly incompetent &/or corrupt in their dealings with RHI, Red Sky , Irisgate, Petergate, NAMA etc.....

I dont see how SF bringing that up (as do all the other parties including the UUP by the way) is remotely akin to the DUP simply dredging up supposed bogeymen and trying to scare the bejasus out of their electorate .. who unfortunately fall for the same ole dung every time  ::)

Also, equality is the main issue for me ..

If you think some imagined lack of "equality" is the most important isdue facing the Six Counties then you deserve what you get. You will have equal space on the canoe going down the swanee as the glorified county council does f all
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
If you think some imagined lack of "equality" is the most important isdue facing the Six Counties then you deserve what you get. You will have equal space on the canoe going down the swanee as the glorified county council does f all

The glorified county council does indeed do  f all, but there is no reason to let bollixes run it all the same.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on February 28, 2017, 07:19:36 PM
If you think some imagined lack of "equality" is the most important isdue facing the Six Counties then you deserve what you get. You will have equal space on the canoe going down the swanee as the glorified county council does f all

I get where you are coming from, but I disagree. Who do you decide then which members of society are less equal to others? I can't agree to society that is based on that.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that Nationalists / Republicans / Catholics were the less equal members of our society...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2017, 07:45:24 PM
If you think some imagined lack of "equality" is the most important isdue facing the Six Counties then you deserve what you get. You will have equal space on the canoe going down the swanee as the glorified county council does f all

I get where you are coming from, but I disagree. Who do you decide then which members of society are less equal to others? I can't agree to society that is based on that.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that Nationalists / Republicans / Catholics were the less equal members of our society...
We remember it well. But where do you see the lack of equality now?
There are no complaints about access to housing, employment, social services, education. If anything the Loyalist working class seem to have been left behind in the likes of education and access to third level especially.
The DUP shot down the Language Act but in all honesty is that a major issue or a manufactured issue? I acceptfully of course that the DUP would prefer if Nationalists never crossed the door of Stormont but Im sure a good few SInn Fein supporters would like to see the Unionist crowd on the boat to the UK
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on February 28, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 28, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
Ha im guessing all that housing in  north belfast being blocked is just one of those things and not dodds and mccausland desperately trying to keep the numbers right in their constituency. Is it any bloody wonder they both shat bricks over the new proposed boundaries. Years of their mischevious hard work undone by some civil servant and a crayon.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
Ha im guessing all that housing in  north belfast being blocked is just one of those things and not dodds and mccausland desperately trying to keep the numbers right in their constituency. Is it any bloody wonder they both shat bricks over the new proposed boundaries. Years of their mischevious hard work undone by some civil servant and a crayon.

And that's why housing etc must be kept away from the politicians.
Of course Gerry Kelly was quick enough to try the sectarian headcount as well
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on February 28, 2017, 09:03:15 PM
Ha im guessing all that housing in  north belfast being blocked is just one of those things and not dodds and mccausland desperately trying to keep the numbers right in their constituency. Is it any bloody wonder they both shat bricks over the new proposed boundaries. Years of their mischevious hard work undone by some civil servant and a crayon.

And that's why housing etc must be kept away from the politicians.
Of course Gerry Kelly was quick enough to try the sectarian headcount as well

There could have been a lot of housing at Girdwood barracks but SF and DUP went for a carve up there instead
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.

They are basing their arguments on how bad the other side are.

Equality isnt an issue for me

No they arent .. Sf are basing their main arguments on the RHI scandal, previous scandals and equality ... the DUP are just scaremongering re historical insecurities...

Same ole thing again with the erroneous view that both sides are as bad as eachother .... I honestly cant see how you or anyone cannot see the difference .. If we are going to move forward, we have to live in the hear & now ... Would you not agree that the DUP are either grossly incompetent &/or corrupt in their dealings with RHI, Red Sky , Irisgate, Petergate, NAMA etc.....

I dont see how SF bringing that up (as do all the other parties including the UUP by the way) is remotely akin to the DUP simply dredging up supposed bogeymen and trying to scare the bejasus out of their electorate .. who unfortunately fall for the same ole dung every time  ::)

Also, equality is the main issue for me ..

What part of your life is currently effected by inequality?
Understand things were bad however I can't see how equality is what SF will now try to deliver.
In what areas?
AF is a sc**bag no doubt as are most of the DUP but the same could be said of others involved in political parties
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
Would it be equality based on the Irish language act??

I'd be happier if they started working on improving health education jobs infrastructure wellbeing of it's voters... step away from the tribalism and show that they can do normal politics!! Now that would get you voting
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2017, 09:31:48 PM
Honestly the Irish language act means nothing to many many Catholics.

As previous post says health, education & jobs should be priority for Everyone
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 28, 2017, 10:11:15 PM
f**k me leaders debate goes nationwide and they really find some clampits to ask questions why not wheel out wullie frazer and bryson to make us look like even bigger dicks. I thought eastwood. Nesbitt and long (although her voice goes through you) were good. Oneil speaks a bit too fast and was lying through her teeth about when SF knew about RHI but still think she will get better and will be good in the long run. Arlene is just a nasty piece of work but her followers will just vote DUP no matter what. At least she shook oneils hand at the end unlike that bigot mccausland
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 28, 2017, 10:24:06 PM
No wonder the DUP have been hiding Arlene, she was dreadful. If Michelle O'Neill slowed down she would be grand, someone described her on radio this morning as talking like a washing machine! Thought Naomi Long was quite good.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on February 28, 2017, 10:31:36 PM
No wonder the DUP have been hiding Arlene, she was dreadful. If Michelle O'Neill slowed down she would be grand, someone described her on radio this morning as talking like a washing machine! Thought Naomi Long was quite good.

O'Neill goes too fast, Long spoke well. Eastwood did pretty well, I thought. O'Neill slipped up with a silly comment to him about a United Ireland being a red line, as SF do not have this as a red line for entering government either.  TV Mike was allow slabber on about the GFA when his party voted against it in Westminster recently. Foster was poor and did nothing to extend her appeal beyond the Orange Lodge.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on February 28, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
No wonder the DUP have been hiding Arlene, she was dreadful. If Michelle O'Neill slowed down she would be grand, someone described her on radio this morning as talking like a washing machine! Thought Naomi Long was quite good.

O'Neill goes too fast, Long spoke well. Eastwood did pretty well, I thought. O'Neill slipped up with a silly comment to him about a United Ireland being a red line, as SF do not have this as a red line for entering government either.  TV Mike was allow slabber on about the GFA when his party voted against it in Westminster recently. Foster was poor and did nothing to extend her appeal beyond the Orange Lodge.

Arlene had a wee dig about the makeup of the audience, not too many vocal DUPers in to support her it seems as she was cut asunder all night.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on February 28, 2017, 11:17:03 PM
And some commentators in response to this likened her to Nigel Farrage in having to attack the audience.
She was outnumbered because the majority of people who watch/take part in political debates do not blindly follow the DUP just because they are the DUP. The imbalance wasn't in a nationalist/unionist way, it was in a sensible/senseless way.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on February 28, 2017, 11:38:34 PM
Foster was even arrogant enough to have a cut at the make up of the audience. She just doesn't seem to get the fact that it is her own reluctance to admit to and own up to her mistakes that have turned people completely against her apart from those with the red white and blue underpants. Whether she wins the election or not, her political career is over and she deserves everything she gets after her behaviour in recent months. A real nasty vitriolic piece of work.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on February 28, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Ziggy us nationalists are still the shit on the shoes of the them pricks in the British establishment. Never forget that.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on March 01, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
Ziggy us nationalists are still the shit on the shoes of the them pricks in the British establishment. Never forget that.

The British establishment would like to be rid of NI .
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on March 01, 2017, 07:39:25 AM
Naomi long won that debate all day long.

How much do leaders debates affect voting in the north ? Very little I suspect, but we will know in a few days for sure.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on March 01, 2017, 08:20:25 AM
And some commentators in response to this likened her to Nigel Farrage in having to attack the audience.
She was outnumbered because the majority of people who watch/take part in political debates do not blindly follow the DUP just because they are the DUP. The imbalance wasn't in a nationalist/unionist way, it was in a sensible/senseless way.

I thought that was a glimpse at who she really is, and the jeering of the crowd that time wasn't even Orange and Green it was about Gay Marriage, someone should have told her that the crowd was a balanced reflection of the population on that issue.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: theskull1 on March 01, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
Huge number of people wouldn't be seen dead at a political debate in this part of the world. That silent majority will have their sway/say (e.g. non voters, duppers etc)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 09:05:59 AM
On the debate, I missed the first 10 mins or so.  Long talks a lot of sense but her big job is to break Alliance out of the metropolitan greater Belfast bubble where it gets 80+% of its support.  But she was the best performer overall.  Eastwood and Nesbitt did OK but wouldn't really inspire you to bust a gut to vote for them.  The supposed transfer policy needs planned and thought out.  Let's face it, a UUP transfer to SDLP in East Belfast is neither here nor there whereas one in FST could have an effect on who gets elected.

I thought O'Neill was poor.  She needs to train herself to speak more slowly in front of the camera.  She didn't impose herself on the debate the way MMG would have.  She was saved a bit by Foster's performance and her "respect the public" line was a good comeback.  This election probably came a bit too soon for her.

Which brings us to Snarlene.  It's obvious why she has avoided interviews with Channel 4 and BBC Radio across the water.  They went for the softly, softly, smile a bit, don't mention GA until someone else brings it up.  Unfortunately for her none of that worked.  Worst bits were when the audience burst out laughing when she said "radical Republican agenda" and then losing the rag at the end and attacking the make up of the audience.  She just can't help herself.   Someone once said that victims don't make good leaders and she is living proof of that.

My verdict: 1. Long. =2. Eastwood. =2. Nesbitt. 4. O'Neill. 5. Foster.  But I don't think these shows actually change many people's voting intentions.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 01, 2017, 09:09:34 AM
They might not affect people's first choices but they may inspire previous non-voters to go out and change what is there, and may affect transfers.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on March 01, 2017, 09:10:47 AM
Ziggy us nationalists are still the shit on the shoes of the them pricks in the British establishment. Never forget that.

How ? Specifically in your day to day life, how does that manifest itself ?

Employment, housing, health etc? Real issues
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 01, 2017, 09:21:54 AM
Is there a moratorium in NI when it comes to elections?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 09:24:25 AM
They might not affect people's first choices but they may inspire previous non-voters to go out and change what is there, and may affect transfers.

Do you think many dyed in the wool non-voters would bother watching that in the first place??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 01, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
They might not affect people's first choices but they may inspire previous non-voters to go out and change what is there, and may affect transfers.

Do you think many dyed in the wool non-voters would bother watching that in the first place??
I think there's a sizeable number, yeah. I'll take my husband as an example. Hasn't voted for years in a parliamentary election (assembly or Westminster). He watched the debate and he'll be voting tomorrow because Brexit, RHI etc are all issues that are annoying him.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 09:58:24 AM
They might not affect people's first choices but they may inspire previous non-voters to go out and change what is there, and may affect transfers.

Do you think many dyed in the wool non-voters would bother watching that in the first place??
I think there's a sizeable number, yeah. I'll take my husband as an example. Hasn't voted for years in a parliamentary election (assembly or Westminster). He watched the debate and he'll be voting tomorrow because Brexit, RHI etc are all issues that are annoying him.

Depends if your husband is representative of the non voter or an outlier.  I can counter that with a good friend who won't be voting for the first time in his life.  I live in F&ST and anecdotally I don't get a sense of a huge uplift in the turnout, I'd be surprised if we break 60% overall in NI.  But then I got Brexit and Trump wrong so WTF do I know!

I was a committed voter up until a week or so ago but I must admit I'm falling into the "why bother" camp.  My only motivation left is to "vote against" Snarlene since she stands here.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 01, 2017, 11:44:49 AM
If you think some imagined lack of "equality" is the most important isdue facing the Six Counties then you deserve what you get. You will have equal space on the canoe going down the swanee as the glorified county council does f all

I get where you are coming from, but I disagree. Who do you decide then which members of society are less equal to others? I can't agree to society that is based on that.

Remember, it wasn't too long ago that Nationalists / Republicans / Catholics were the less equal members of our society...
We remember it well. But where do you see the lack of equality now?
There are no complaints about access to housing, employment, social services, education. If anything the Loyalist working class seem to have been left behind in the likes of education and access to third level especially.
The DUP shot down the Language Act but in all honesty is that a major issue or a manufactured issue? I acceptfully of course that the DUP would prefer if Nationalists never crossed the door of Stormont but Im sure a good few SInn Fein supporters would like to see the Unionist crowd on the boat to the UK


In two minds to vote or not.

We just seem to be always teetering on the edge of the abyss with neither side willing to give an inch and always appealing to the hardcore elements.

Themmuns are campaigning about Armageddon happening if Gerry gets in while SF are basing their campaign about the RHI scandal and not how they will change things/handle Brexit/look at health etc

Depressing stuff

SF are basing their campaign on equality, something Arlene has been steadfastly against, so I'm not sure you can tar both sides with the same brush.

They are basing their arguments on how bad the other side are.

Equality isnt an issue for me

No they arent .. Sf are basing their main arguments on the RHI scandal, previous scandals and equality ... the DUP are just scaremongering re historical insecurities...

Same ole thing again with the erroneous view that both sides are as bad as eachother .... I honestly cant see how you or anyone cannot see the difference .. If we are going to move forward, we have to live in the hear & now ... Would you not agree that the DUP are either grossly incompetent &/or corrupt in their dealings with RHI, Red Sky , Irisgate, Petergate, NAMA etc.....

I dont see how SF bringing that up (as do all the other parties including the UUP by the way) is remotely akin to the DUP simply dredging up supposed bogeymen and trying to scare the bejasus out of their electorate .. who unfortunately fall for the same ole dung every time  ::)

Also, equality is the main issue for me ..

What part of your life is currently effected by inequality?
Understand things were bad however I can't see how equality is what SF will now try to deliver.
In what areas?
AF is a sc**bag no doubt as are most of the DUP but the same could be said of others involved in political parties

Did youse even read my post ? .. it was actually about the DUPs scaremongering .. not a gripe about inequality ...

If you had, (instead of picking one line and jumping down my throat   ::)) you would have seen mention of little things like RedSky, Irisgate, Petergate, NAMA, RHI etc.... the list goes on..

However, if you consider it "equality" when gobshites from the DUP (or any party/side for that matter) can and do line their own pockets and those of their friends and cronies then you havent a clue what the term equality means ... the DUP have continuously and quite blatantly abused the power they have been given .... This abuse is inequality in itself ..   All these millions going in a direction of the DUP’s making instead of to the services where they are vitally needed … is that not inequality ?

FFS Peter the Punt is now working for a NAMA contractor .. WTF .. imagine if that was Gerry Adams or Martin McGuinness .... the uproar would be insane ...  is that equality?

You could also consider LBGT issues that are NOT being treated with equality, now is that coming from SF or the DUP ?
An Irish Language act (which scotland & wales have) which personally doesnt mean that much to me but it certainly does to some people ... how would you consider their response to that ..
Legacy issues ... the DUP approach is if themuns are getting anything we're prefer no one to get anything ..
I could go on about the above and other things that were supposedly agreed at the various peace deals .. but which have not happened because the DUP have reneged.. ..
.. Would you not consider all this inequality ? ... I would ..

As well as that, we all have to make sure that the DUP dont drag us back to a past situation where as we all know,  inequality was much greater than it is now .. and thats essentially what the DUP and hardline unionists would love to see ... and aspire to..

BTW - If you read my initial post I finished by saying equality was an issue for me, in response to someone who said it "wasnt" an issue for them ...  It wasn’t my reason for posting..  In fact I believe its certainly much better now but its far from perfect, but it will always remain an issue for me as I remember the past .... Equality should always be an issue for everyone in NI..

Also, I didnt say it was just down to SF to deliver equality ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2017, 03:04:42 PM
Depends if your husband is representative of the non voter or an outlier.  I can counter that with a good friend who won't be voting for the first time in his life.  I live in F&ST and anecdotally I don't get a sense of a huge uplift in the turnout, I'd be surprised if we break 60% overall in NI.  But then I got Brexit and Trump wrong so WTF do I know!

I was a committed voter up until a week or so ago but I must admit I'm falling into the "why bother" camp.  My only motivation left is to "vote against" Snarlene since she stands here.

If people do not vote, then they should complain about the outcome.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 04:12:39 PM
Depends if your husband is representative of the non voter or an outlier.  I can counter that with a good friend who won't be voting for the first time in his life.  I live in F&ST and anecdotally I don't get a sense of a huge uplift in the turnout, I'd be surprised if we break 60% overall in NI.  But then I got Brexit and Trump wrong so WTF do I know!

I was a committed voter up until a week or so ago but I must admit I'm falling into the "why bother" camp.  My only motivation left is to "vote against" Snarlene since she stands here.

If people do not vote, then they should complain about the outcome.

I hear ya armaghniac.  The wife is keen on voting and since it's a car journey to the polling station I'll go with her.  Following LAD's advice to vote til you boke I'm throwing SF, SDLP, Greens, Alliance and even UUP (as the least worst Unionist option) into the mix.  Can't bring myself to vote for the Tories, TUV or DUP (my Da would come back to haunt me).  I'm undecided about O Cofaigh, the local Trot.  He was pro-Brexit and I'm finding that hard to forgive in the current climate.  But for that I might have given him a 1 or 2, but he might scrape in before the UUP.  Will probably go with Greens no 1 and then transfer to one of the Shinners, SDLP and Alliance in that order.  But haven't made my mind up fully.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
Any predictions?? If TV viewing figures are any guide they were well up for the debates this time compared to last May.  A significantly increased turnout throws a few balls in the air.  I think the smaller parties will get a good uplift in votes but that probably won't transfer to seats e.g. Greens are predicted to up their no 1s by 30%-40% but across 18 constituencies that won't get more seats.  I predict Claire Bailey will keep her seat in S Belfast.  Similarly I've a gut feeling that Alliance will have a good election in terms of votes and will probably keep their 8 seats (though the SDLP are bigging up Roisin Lynch in S Antrim so David Ford could be under pressure).  Quite a few 5th seats will be very tight.  So, something like (+ or - 2 for the bigger parties)??

DUP 30
Sinn Fein 25
UUP 12
SDLP 10
Alliance 8
Greens 2
PBP 1 (McCann to miss out)
TUV 1
Claire Sugden maybe to hold on 1

Hope that adds up to 90!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on March 01, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/peter-geoghegan-adam-ramsay/mysterious-dup-brexit-donation-plot-thickens

This is all a bit surreal
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 01, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rossfan on March 01, 2017, 07:05:17 PM
Whatever happened to Parity of Esteem?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 08:38:50 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2017, 08:46:38 PM
Any predictions?? If TV viewing figures are any guide they were well up for the debates this time compared to last May.  A significantly increased turnout throws a few balls in the air.  I think the smaller parties will get a good uplift in votes but that probably won't transfer to seats e.g. Greens are predicted to up their no 1s by 30%-40% but across 18 constituencies that won't get more seats.  I predict Claire Bailey will keep her seat in S Belfast.  Similarly I've a gut feeling that Alliance will have a good election in terms of votes and will probably keep their 8 seats (though the SDLP are bigging up Roisin Lynch in S Antrim so David Ford could be under pressure).  Quite a few 5th seats will be very tight.  So, something like (+ or - 2 for the bigger parties)??

DUP 30
Sinn Fein 25
UUP 12
SDLP 10
Alliance 8
Greens 2
PBP 1 (McCann to miss out)
TUV 1
Claire Sugden maybe to hold on 1

Hope that adds up to 90!

So no significant change then?? One wonders why bother heading round
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 01, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.

Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish. And the Unionists are the same even though they want the British tag.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on March 01, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.
That's the spirit, AQMP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 09:42:01 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.

Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish. And the Unionists are the same even though they want the British tag.

It's not Arlene, it's Tony.  BTW check your signature, "Los trabadjores unido jamas sera vencido"?? the Spanish is a bit like Gerry's Irish!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 01, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.

You are an Irish citizen.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 01, 2017, 09:46:50 PM
Any predictions?? If TV viewing figures are any guide they were well up for the debates this time compared to last May.  A significantly increased turnout throws a few balls in the air.  I think the smaller parties will get a good uplift in votes but that probably won't transfer to seats e.g. Greens are predicted to up their no 1s by 30%-40% but across 18 constituencies that won't get more seats.  I predict Claire Bailey will keep her seat in S Belfast.  Similarly I've a gut feeling that Alliance will have a good election in terms of votes and will probably keep their 8 seats (though the SDLP are bigging up Roisin Lynch in S Antrim so David Ford could be under pressure).  Quite a few 5th seats will be very tight.  So, something like (+ or - 2 for the bigger parties)??

DUP 30
Sinn Fein 25
UUP 12
SDLP 10
Alliance 8
Greens 2
PBP 1 (McCann to miss out)
TUV 1
Claire Sugden maybe to hold on 1

Hope that adds up to 90!

So no significant change then?? One wonders why bother heading round

That's just my best guess MR2.  Could be wrong.  Going down to 5 seats per constituency does add a bit of the unknown and as I said turnout will be key.  Anything over 65% and all bets could be off.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish.

I'm Eastern Irish myself. What would  be the main difference would you say between Northern Irish and Eastern Irish people?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 01, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Any predictions?? If TV viewing figures are any guide they were well up for the debates this time compared to last May.  A significantly increased turnout throws a few balls in the air.  I think the smaller parties will get a good uplift in votes but that probably won't transfer to seats e.g. Greens are predicted to up their no 1s by 30%-40% but across 18 constituencies that won't get more seats.  I predict Claire Bailey will keep her seat in S Belfast.  Similarly I've a gut feeling that Alliance will have a good election in terms of votes and will probably keep their 8 seats (though the SDLP are bigging up Roisin Lynch in S Antrim so David Ford could be under pressure).  Quite a few 5th seats will be very tight.  So, something like (+ or - 2 for the bigger parties)??

DUP 30
Sinn Fein 25
UUP 12
SDLP 10
Alliance 8
Greens 2
PBP 1 (McCann to miss out)
TUV 1
Claire Sugden maybe to hold on 1

Hope that adds up to 90!

So no significant change then?? One wonders why bother heading round

That's just my best guess MR2.  Could be wrong.  Going down to 5 seats per constituency does add a bit of the unknown and as I said turnout will be key.  Anything over 65% and all bets could be off.

I wouldn't know any DUP voters (well they wouldn't say it out loud) but most prods I know have had a very strong view on how the politics have been fecked up recently and want change.... whether that comes across tomorrow in the moment at the ballot box is another thing...

I've my list sorted as does my wife, hopefully people will cop on and if they don't I'll not bother again, as it proves people are stupid, fearful and happy with the status quo

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: trileacman on March 01, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
If brexit and trump taught us anything it's that people are fearful and stupid.

Expect a turnout heading just north of 50% and a return of the standing order..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: michaelg on March 01, 2017, 11:50:43 PM
Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish.

I'm Eastern Irish myself. What would  be the main difference would you say between Northern Irish and Eastern Irish people?
There's no Eastern Ireland football team for you to get behind.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on March 01, 2017, 11:58:21 PM
Don't many say the Bann and the Shannon are the real lines of partition on this island ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 01, 2017, 11:59:45 PM
Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish.

I'm Eastern Irish myself. What would  be the main difference would you say between Northern Irish and Eastern Irish people?
There's no Eastern Ireland football team for you to get behind.

Regions generally don't have soccer teams.

Don't many say the Bann and the Shannon are the real lines of partition on this island ?

Quite, pure muck savages to the west of those rivers.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Horse Box on March 02, 2017, 12:47:09 AM

I wouldn't know any DUP voters (well they wouldn't say it out loud) but most prods I know have had a very strong view on how the politics have been fecked up recently and want change.... whether that comes across tomorrow in the moment at the ballot box is another thing...

I've my list sorted as does my wife, hopefully people will cop on and if they don't I'll not bother again, as it proves people are stupid, fearful and happy with the status quo
[/quote]

Change as in the UUP or change as in the Alliance Party ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Horse Box on March 02, 2017, 12:49:55 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread

Well said Hound , not all of us southerners are West Brits !
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 02, 2017, 06:32:40 AM
Don't many say the Bann and the Shannon are the real lines of partition on this island ?
The Shannon is the border between hell and Connacht
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2017, 07:28:28 AM

I wouldn't know any DUP voters (well they wouldn't say it out loud) but most prods I know have had a very strong view on how the politics have been fecked up recently and want change.... whether that comes across tomorrow in the moment at the ballot box is another thing...

I've my list sorted as does my wife, hopefully people will cop on and if they don't I'll not bother again, as it proves people are stupid, fearful and happy with the status quo

Change as in the UUP or change as in the Alliance Party ?
[/quote]

Who knows, personally I think they won't vote, a lot of dissatisfied prods, they'll never vote for the shinners as no Catholic will vote DUP very understandable, it would require all parties to drop the green and orange shite and go for real politics like I've mentioned before we see proper change
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 02, 2017, 07:55:12 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 02, 2017, 08:14:05 AM
Northern Ireland is just a bigger version of Ballaghaderreen . Andy Moran is a Rossie.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on March 02, 2017, 08:37:44 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source
f**k up westbrit
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 02, 2017, 08:46:42 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source
Eh...it's not as if the people in NI had any choice, but carry on...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 02, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted
NI is an artificial state created by the threat of terrorism and revolution/rebellion/treason. It has never been treated as normal part of the UK, even unionists don't treat it as such. It is not unreasonable for the state to recognise at an official level the ethnicity of 45% of the population. The GFA gives equal status to both nationalities so why not reflect this. The Union fleg now only represents about 48% of the population, give or take.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 02, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source
f**k up westbrit
That response proves my point re limited education. Of course teachers can only work with what they are given. They're not miracle workers
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on March 02, 2017, 09:37:18 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source
f**k up westbrit
That response proves my point re limited education. Of course teachers can only work with what they are given. They're not miracle workers
Oh my, a witty westbrit.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 02, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Vote cast - virtually empty polling station at 8.20am in North Belfast. As I knew the other three voters I saw in there, I believe that not a vote or preference would have been cast for the DUP.  Oh that the same situation would be replicated everywhere. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AQMP on March 02, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Vote cast - virtually empty polling station at 8.20am in North Belfast. As I knew the other three voters I saw in there, I believe that not a vote or preference would have been cast for the DUP.  Oh that the same situation would be replicated everywhere.

Eventually succumbed and voted.  Same as you Rois, though the polling station in FST was busier than I expected, I knew more than half the voters there.  Not many for Arlene but it's early days.  Met a local SDLP activist on the way back to the car.  She told me rumours are that the internal DUP polling numbers are much worse than the Lucid Talk opinion polls.  But rumours they are and she might say that mightn't she.

BTW I went 1. Green 2. SF 3. SDLP 4. Alliance 5. Labour 6. SF 7. SF 8. UUP.  Left the rest blank, couldn't bring myself to even give Arlene a 12!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 02, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I voted at 7.20am, was in and out in less than 5 minutes. I voted SF 1,2,3 and went down the list and omitted Danny Kennedy and William Irwin.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 02, 2017, 10:57:37 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source

Wrong again,
Nationalist education in the north is paid by funds from the rates on housing in the north
My parents where hard working people and never received money from the British state
And neither have I
 the nationalist who depended on welfare as they couldn't get work due to there religion I have no problem with that although I will acknowledge some are just spongers just like some in the republic

I have enough education and have travelled and worked all over this island enough to recognise a westbrit when I see one
You don't seem to be that well read yourself and maybe you should come up here and live
You seem to have that inherent judgemental bigot gene that's required to be a staunch unionist
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 02, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
Right South Belfast
1 Hanna sdlp 2 Mom sf 3 Gallagher  sdlp 4 Bailey green 5 mcdonough alliance 6 Burns lab 7 kerr wp 8 Henderson uup. The rest can feck off including dont know what party I am this week Bradshaw and brexit loving PBP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 02, 2017, 11:28:40 AM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

I see your Dublin
So take your westbrit BS somewhere else
Over 40 percent of the population up here have never excepted the Union Jack as their flag
The same as most of the population in the republic didn't except it when it was flying in Dublin castle
Something tells me if your where around you wouldn't have a problem with it
The GFA was to achieve the same means as armed struggle without the violence ( a move endorsed by all nationalist including myself )

I can empathise with unionist to a certain extent but Westbrits make me puke
Stick your nose back in your Indo or find a unionist thread
A big jump to conclusions because someone had a Dublin Base. Bad enough one crowd living in the 1690s but using West Brit as an insult is so 1970 especially from one whose education (limited as it is) was paid for by Johnny Brit over in Barnsley and is in receipt of welfare from the same source

Wrong again,
Nationalist education in the north is paid by funds from the rates on housing in the north
My parents where hard working people and never received money from the British state
And neither have I
 the nationalist who depended on welfare as they couldn't get work due to there religion I have no problem with that although I will acknowledge some are just spongers just like some in the republic

I have enough education and have travelled and worked all over this island enough to recognise a westbrit when I see one
You don't seem to be that well read yourself and maybe you should come up here and live
You seem to have that inherent judgemental bigot gene that's required to be a staunch unionist

Yep, pretty much sums up most Northern folks stories on here I would guess ...

Avondhu star Sorry, Ruth Dudley Edwards, you really havent a clue old chap  ::) .. but you are funny  ;)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Lazer on March 02, 2017, 11:38:55 AM
South Down

1 - AP. 2 -  GP 3 - SDLP, 4 - SDLP, 5 - SF, 6 - SF, 7 - UUP, 8 - CONS, 9 - TUV

No votes for DUP or local independent

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on March 02, 2017, 12:27:40 PM
A lot of folk here making a virtue of giving "Nattin" to the DUP.

I suspect this is not a change in voting behaviour.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: grounded on March 02, 2017, 12:30:46 PM
So what "equality" do nationalists not have at the minute ? Curious and not trolling

Just my opinion but I feel that the DUP and a large cohort of UUP supporters don't regard my Irish identity as equal to their British and don't regard my desire/aspiration for a United Ireland as equal to theirs to remain a part of the UK, my flag doesn't fly over any public building and I live my life almost totally framed in a "Northern Ireland" context because that's the official position.

Remember, you cannot legislate to change someone's opinion.
Northern Ireland is where you live like it or not. Why do you expect the flag of a foreign country to be given the same status as the flag of the UK.
Do the Ukraine government fly the Russian flag because a certain percentage of Ukrainians are of Russian extraction?
Your attraction to another country can be solved by going to live there. Otherwise continue where you are until a majority there believe that they would be better off in a united Ireland. Thats the G.F.A. position Gerry and the boys accepted

Is that you Arlene??  I am not of Irish "extraction".  I am Irish.

Northern Irish. Thats the facts of life no matter what you wish. And the Unionists are the same even though they want the British tag.

Absolute rubbish on so many levels, least of which there is no such thing as Northern Irish nationality. You will find most people in NI class themselves as Irish or British with a substantial number of Polish and other nationalities.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 02, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
A lot of folk here making a virtue of giving "Nattin" to the DUP.

I suspect this is not a change in voting behaviour.
No true, I have never voted DUP anyway, but I've never given a preference to UUP before, and I did this time.  Also left out a SF candidate who I can't stand the sound of (Caral Ni Chuilin).  And preferred the centre parties before Gerry Kelly from SF. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 02, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
The 12pm turnout is encouraging in most areas. Fingers crossed, the higher the turnout the better for nationalism.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: NAG1 on March 02, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
A lot of folk here making a virtue of giving "Nattin" to the DUP.

I suspect this is not a change in voting behaviour.
No true, I have never voted DUP anyway, but I've never given a preference to UUP before, and I did this time.  Also left out a SF candidate who I can't stand the sound of (Caral Ni Chuilin).  And preferred the centre parties before Gerry Kelly from SF.

Would love to see SF get rid of her, absolute bomb scare (no pun intended) every time she speaks, any where on any subject.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Norf Tyrone on March 02, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
When does the counting start? 10pm or tomorrow?

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 02, 2017, 01:25:10 PM
When does the counting start? 10pm or tomorrow?
For assembly elections its usually starts the next day
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 02, 2017, 01:26:18 PM
When does the counting start? 10pm or tomorrow?
Heard the election commission lady on the radio this  morn.  Tonight they sort out all the spoiled or invalid votes and counting starts tomorrow.

First results due tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 02, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
Can't be bothered voting.

But will turn up tonight at 9:00 for 4 hours for "overnight verification" as it's called. Hopefully, away for 12:30-01:00 & a ton in the sky rocket from EONI in 6 weeks time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: lawnseed on March 02, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
just giving yez a wee shout in..
seeing what's happening..

gonna head out to vote now and see who's about.

just speaking to a shinner earlier he say over 600 voters he registered didn't get their cards some did come in the afternoon post..

lawnseed
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 02, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
You don't need your polling card to vote but it's handy for the information to get you there if you don't know where you should be going.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stiffler on March 02, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
Turn out up across Northern Ireland , could mean bad news for the first minister !
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Horse Box on March 02, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Turn out up across Northern Ireland , could mean bad news for the first minister !

Or has her scare tactic got the Unionist vote out ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on March 02, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
Turn out up across Northern Ireland , could mean bad news for the first minister !

Or has her scare tactic got the Unionist vote out ?

38% in Sandy Row @ 5pm so I would say the unionist vote is out
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: general_lee on March 02, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
Went 1. SF 2. SF 3. GP 4. WP 5. SDLP 6. AP

Unionist parties in Upper Bann have a long proven track record of bigotry so it will be a while before they find themselves getting a preference on my ballot paper.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
Went 1. SF 2. SF 3. GP 4. WP 5. SDLP 6. AP

Unionist parties in Upper Bann have a long proven track record of bigotry so it will be a while before they find themselves getting a preference on my ballot paper.

They do, but it may be that one is more bigoted than the other. Or you could just vote for non incumbent candidates to move things around.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: SHEEDY on March 02, 2017, 06:33:09 PM
voted; SF 1+2, SDLP 3+4, ALL 5, GP 6 in south down. even got the missus out to vote for 1st time in ages.

as LAD said 'get your holes to the polls'.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JoG2 on March 02, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
You don't need your polling card to vote but it's handy for the information to get you there if you don't know where you should be going.

Indeed.. A good few round our way, inc ourselves didn't get cards. In and tell them where you live and they'll point you to the right room... Vote early and often!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on March 02, 2017, 08:58:33 PM
Finally decided to vote and went for SDLP, Alliance & UUP.
Almost felt like a traitor or I should be hiding but the crowd currently/previously on the hill had no interest in helping Joe Piblic so would give the other crowds a turn (I realise it is highly unlikely and it will be the same old shite)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on March 02, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
Finally decided to vote and went for SDLP, Alliance & UUP.
Almost felt like a traitor or I should be hiding but the crowd currently/previously on the hill had no interest in helping Joe Piblic so would give the other crowds a turn (I realise it is highly unlikely and it will be the same old shite)

Yeah SF talking as if we will get something different if they are returned biggest party. Would love to know what will be different, as they will still be joined at the hip with DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: screenexile on March 02, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
Looks like turnover is up all over which is great!!

You would like to think TUV and Mike TV have made some inroads into the DUP a dilution of the Unionist vote would be great. Fingers crossed but I'm hoping an increased Unionist vote means more votes against the DUP!!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: tothetop03 on March 02, 2017, 09:12:48 PM
Voted for the first time in 06/07...still think we are only rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic....hope i am wrong though...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 02, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
In our house we all went with the opposition:  1.SDLP   2.UUP   3.Green   4. Alliance in West Tyrone
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: randomusername on March 02, 2017, 09:26:48 PM
Turn-out seems to be up across the board. 80% in places like Draperstown and Roslea.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ziggysego on March 02, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
In our house we all went with the opposition:  1.SDLP   2.UUP   3.Green   4. Alliance in West Tyrone

None of the independents?
Title: Turnout
Post by: FermGael on March 02, 2017, 09:41:36 PM
Looks like a massive increase in turnout.
Arlene has done a great job at increasing voter turnout.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on March 02, 2017, 09:48:57 PM
Amazingly Arlene has increased turnout across NI.

It remains to be seen is this an increase of knuckledragger loyalists or of people wanting a change for the better
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2017, 09:49:34 PM
Looks like a massive increase in turnout.
Arlene has done a great job at increasing voter turnout.

Let us hope they put her last on the ballot in FST.

West Tyrone out in force around Trillick anyway

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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 02, 2017, 09:50:36 PM
SF 1,2 & 3 in Newry & Armagh. Apparently a very high turnout in our Polling Station.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2017, 10:06:59 PM
Quote
Paul Crossan‏ @PCrossan8 4m4 minutes ago

We expect the full make-up to be this: Give and take 1 either way. DUP 34 SF 25 UUP 10 Alliance 8 SDLP 8  Others 5 #ae17
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: randomusername on March 02, 2017, 10:09:51 PM
Quote
Paul Crossan‏ @PCrossan8 4m4 minutes ago

We expect the full make-up to be this: Give and take 1 either way. DUP 34 SF 25 UUP 10 Alliance 8 SDLP 8  Others 5 #ae17

Was a bit skeptical but apparently they got it basically spot on in last year's election so who knows. He could be talking out of his arse though, not sure what his data is and never heard of him.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 02, 2017, 10:10:48 PM
Quote
Paul Crossan‏ @PCrossan8 4m4 minutes ago

We expect the full make-up to be this: Give and take 1 either way. DUP 34 SF 25 UUP 10 Alliance 8 SDLP 8  Others 5 #ae17
That is the highest estimate I have seen for DUP yet. Most estimates have been round 30-32.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
Very disappointing if it turns out to be accurate.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on March 02, 2017, 10:19:19 PM
DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2017, 10:22:13 PM
If the DUP get the same vote then N.I deserves to be the biggest laughing stock of Europe.... Who da feck votes for Arlene based on what her track record has been lately???????

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: randomusername on March 02, 2017, 10:31:02 PM
If the DUP get the same vote then N.I deserves to be the biggest laughing stock of Europe.... Who da feck votes for Arlene based on what her track record has been lately???????

Well if they weren't put off by Red Sky and Nama and a myriad other scandals...but we shall see.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Ty4Sam on March 02, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
If the DUP get the same vote then N.I deserves to be the biggest laughing stock of Europe.... Who da feck votes for Arlene based on what her track record has been lately???????

Exactly right, this has the potential to be the most depressing election ever. We are well and truly fucked if the DUP remain the same/improve their vote. Will show without question the type of Neanderthals we are dealing with. Do these people have no standards, respect for themselves?
Please let us have a result that goes beyond green/orange, it's 2017 ffs!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Saffrongael on March 02, 2017, 10:36:04 PM
If the DUP get the same vote then N.I deserves to be the biggest laughing stock of Europe.... Who da feck votes for Arlene based on what her track record has been lately???????

Exactly right, this has the potential to be the most depressing election ever. We are well and truly fucked if the DUP remain the same/improve their vote. Will show without question the type of Neanderthals we are dealing with. Do these people have no standards, respect for themselves?
Please let us have a result that goes beyond green/orange, it's 2017 ffs!

There will never be large scale voting here on anything other than green/orange. Suits DUP/SF too much, too much to lose
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
It'll always be Green/Orange but the UUP would be a welcome change over the DUP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
Very disappointing if it turns out to be accurate.

it would mean the DUP declined less  than the number of seats, not a good result for sanity.

On a lighter note
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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 02, 2017, 10:49:12 PM
DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out

Indeed Mount Vernon
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Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2017, 10:52:21 PM
Turnout was 160% in Brookeborough where Arnie Foster voted.


Yes, I did steal the joke from Twitter before someone mentions it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 02, 2017, 10:55:12 PM
It'll always be Green/Orange but the UUP would be a welcome change over the DUP.
Sinn Fein deserve a period out of power too
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Horse Box on March 03, 2017, 01:38:13 AM
DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out

Indeed Mount Vernon
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Mount Vernon ! Can see a lot of them votes being spoiled , education wouldn`t be a priority there  :o !
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: randomusername on March 03, 2017, 01:40:43 AM
DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out

Indeed Mount Vernon
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Mount Vernon ! Can see a lot of them votes being spoiled , education wouldn`t be a priority there  :o !

Apparently those figures are periodical and need to be totted up. Still not a massive tally though.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 07:17:03 AM
Yeah apparently turnout in Mount Vernon was around 55%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Yeah apparently turnout in Mount Vernon was around 55%

Don't get out of bed till after nine
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 08:12:37 AM
DUP could be in trouble in N Belfast, looks like their normal staunch working class areas have not come out

Indeed Mount Vernon
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I presume assembley is the Ulster Scots spelling
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
What time can we see the voting patterns?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 03, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: StephenC on March 03, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

What in under sweet Jesus makes you think that SF would be the largest party? Is there anything to suggest that this could happen?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 09:01:35 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.
Woukd that be preferable to direct rule?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: screenexile on March 03, 2017, 09:18:09 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

What in under sweet Jesus makes you think that SF would be the largest party? Is there anything to suggest that this could happen?

No
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
SF may get marginally more votes than the DUP, but will not get more seats as there are 4% of votes going to the TUV that will end up with the DUP in most constituencies. This is just as well, as a SF First Minister would be a distraction at this time.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on March 03, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

What in under sweet Jesus makes you think that SF would be the largest party? Is there anything to suggest that this could happen?

Notice I started my statement with IF.  I didn't say I think they would be the largest party
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 09:44:48 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

What in under sweet Jesus makes you think that SF would be the largest party? Is there anything to suggest that this could happen?

Notice I started my statement with IF.  I didn't say I think they would be the largest party

There is a  probability that SF might reach parity with the DUP in seats. How does  that  work with the titles of the ministers.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
(unless I'm missing something) It doens't follow that lower turnout in loyalist areas is bad for the dup - low turnout usually would support notion that status quo will be maintained. High turnout however likely to point to others who don't traditionally vote dup turning out to vote for someone else
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: lurganblue on March 03, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

I could also see SF not wanting to work with the DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
On the Nolan Show this morning the former editor was brought back to give his thoughts on the collapse of the institutions.  He was the editor of the show before taking a high profile job as the top spin doctor for the executive office (OFMDFM).

On asked for his analysis of the issues he said that there are elements in DUP and in SF who have priorities/issues that are always incompatible and this resulted in their inability to share power.  The leaders were unable to bring these bases in their respective parties to the point of co-existence never mind any reconciliation. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 10:09:49 AM
As would be the case with the SDLP/UUP, no?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 03, 2017, 10:22:56 AM
Can't see the DUP lose any ground at all
Their electorate maybe don't approve of all the corruption but it's the lesser evil of having nationalist on equal terms
DUPs election campaign was all about invoking fear on this and compromising the unionists
In their eyes they are the master race and everyone else needs put back in their box when they get notions above their station
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: The Trap on March 03, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 10:30:21 AM
Can't see the DUP lose any ground at all
Their electorate maybe don't approve of all the corruption but it's the lesser evil of having nationalist on equal terms
DUPs election campaign was all about invoking fear on this and compromising the unionists
In their eyes they are the master race and everyone else needs put back in their box when they get notions above their station

The DUP electorate may approve of their carry on, but they are only quarter of the population. Let the other three-quarters have a say.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 03, 2017, 10:32:13 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

I'd say the DUP Ministers would be right behind that plan considering they deny that they are Irish at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 03, 2017, 10:35:55 AM
As would be the case with the SDLP/UUP, no?

UUP lost its unionist supremacy years ago by embracing the nationalist representation as power sharing equals and would have to endorse a hate nationalist campaign to win back the lost vote
Their moderate diplomacy ruined them

The status quo will be maintained to Scotlands electorate pluck up the courage and take the leap to independence
Then the union will fall and its game on
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stew on March 03, 2017, 10:50:08 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Why the shinners and SDLP dont hammer away at the sheer cost of running this place to the brits is beyond me, if the average brit knew how much it cost to run this little slice of heaven they would be up in arms!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
If SF come in as the largest party and DUP come in second I could see them refusing to nominate a deputy first minister.

Funny but I was thinking about this last night ... Although unfortunately I think the DUP will still be the biggest party as their voters are just inane bigots and would vote for the lovechild of Attila the hun & Miley Cyrus (2 horrible cnuts  :o ) no mater what nonsense it got up to, as long as it keeps "themuns" out..  God but I hope I'm wrong..


Lets say the DUP have what they would consider "a disappointing" election result ... Would they simply think "well lets just run the election again" .. theoretically they could  ...  They're arrogant enough to do it and they would think the PUL voters would be re-awakened and vote for them big time in the "next" election .. RHI etc would become even more irrelevant ....  Nothing would surprise me in relation to them..

The really horrible scenario is if Snarlene and the DUP hold their vote ... that sends out a terrible message to the DUP that they can do whatever the feck they like and get away with it .... Imagine how arrogant the pricks would be then .. They truly would be unbearable  >:(

Also, the more I listen to these bigots the more Im convinced that, if/when the North does have a border poll and the majority of folk decide to leave the union for a UI, there will be a civil war or at least something akin to a civil war ... they wouldnt simply say "ah ok lads fair enough, its a fair cop" .... No chance .... They have reneged on several other major agreements within the peace deals and the border poll would simply be another....
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 03, 2017, 11:01:27 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Why the shinners and SDLP dont hammer away at the sheer cost of running this place to the brits is beyond me, if the average brit knew how much it cost to run this little slice of heaven they would be up in arms!
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No point at the minute as those figures would be smudged
Treasa May is an old type Tory and might need the unionists behind her in Westminster
But as one sided as she is her no compromise attitudes and full steam into brexit might just push the Scots over the edge in the future
interesting  times all the same
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
As would be the case with the SDLP/UUP, no?

UUP lost its unionist supremacy years ago by embracing the nationalist representation as power sharing equals and would have to endorse a hate nationalist campaign to win back the lost vote
Their moderate diplomacy ruined them

The status quo will be maintained to Scotlands electorate pluck up the courage and take the leap to independence
Then the union will fall and its game on

Yeah the sooner the SNP get it sorted the better .. It would fairly put the cat among the pigeons !!

The only thing is that if Scotland were to become independent the DUPers of this world would be looking to unite with them  ::) .... they'd be looking that Bridge built again .. FFS Jim Allister, lovely chap that he is, is looking the money for the A5 to be spent on Scottish roads instead ...
but thankfully I doubt the SNP would be interested..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Taylor on March 03, 2017, 11:02:43 AM
From early reports it looks like it will be the status quo.......depressing shite and back to more uncertainty and he said/she said.

Meanwhile budget deadlines are missed/health service suffers etc etc etc
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 11:04:50 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Why the shinners and SDLP dont hammer away at the sheer cost of running this place to the brits is beyond me, if the average brit knew how much it cost to run this little slice of heaven they would be up in arms!

It would be quite an achievement to simultaneously sell it to the rest of the country while telling the Brits how worthless it was
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 11:14:46 AM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Why the shinners and SDLP dont hammer away at the sheer cost of running this place to the brits is beyond me, if the average brit knew how much it cost to run this little slice of heaven they would be up in arms!

It would be quite an achievement to simultaneously sell it to the rest of the country while telling the Brits how worthless it was

The only hope is that the British take some interest in it costing less when they realise the cost, especially if they stop screwing the economy.

Turnout

Foyle 65% turnout - up from 56% in '16.
East Derry turnout - 62.69%. Also up from 50.80%
West Tyrone 44,907; turnout 69.89%
East Antrim 37,836; turnout 60.12%
North Antrim 48,518; turnout 63.22%
Mid Ulster 50,228; turnout 72.38% from 58% last time
Belfast South 43,465; turnout 63.96%

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 11:52:02 AM
DUP could be under pressure in S Belfast - Pengelly in particular
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 11:57:47 AM
Fermanagh South Tyrone turnout 72.61 %.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: stew on March 03, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
What would be wrong with all of them getting together and having a government with:

Joint First Minister - Nationalist/Unionist
Joint Finance Minister - from two different parties that can somewhat agree
Joint Health Minister - as above
Joint Education Minister - as above
Joint Brexit Minster - going to need that!

etc etc

Would like all the leaders especially Long to be part of the government. In fact she would be a brilliant First Minister on her own! Only way for it to work is to make them work together, not carve up depts. between SF and DUP and let them run it THEIR way! How about running depts. OUR way.

This place could be so prosperous if people were smart about it. We could be help up as an example to the rest of the world and could get money from UK, Europe, US, Far East........use the "everybody loves the Irish" and the "sure my ancestors came from Ireland" and whatever else it takes to get investment.

But what do we do?

Worry about flags and walking down roads and talking about a United Ireland (prob more people would vote for that in England than Ireland!!!!)

Why the shinners and SDLP dont hammer away at the sheer cost of running this place to the brits is beyond me, if the average brit knew how much it cost to run this little slice of heaven they would be up in arms!

It would be quite an achievement to simultaneously sell it to the rest of the country while telling the Brits how worthless it was

Thats what politicians do!

Talk out of both sides of their mouths ffs!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 03, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
Votes polled in Upper Bann 52,174; turnout 62.54%

Votes polled in Newry and Armagh 55,625; turnout 69.41%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 12:34:50 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: randomusername on March 03, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.


Wouldn't surprise me. The only thing that will significantly impact the DUP vote is demographic change. Give it a decade or two.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 03, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
a lot of it still seems to be down to transfers for the 5th seat in some areas - but nelson struggling
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 03, 2017, 12:57:55 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

We are doomed if thats the case, holding all the aces, they wil cite a drop in seats at the assembly to something other than the recent scandals, of which their voting public really (after this show) dont give a f**k about!

Mental, bit like the Scotts crying for freedom and when handed to them on a plate the vote no!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
The full list

Belfast South: 64%, +10%
Belfast North: 62%, +10%
Mid-Ulster: 72%, +13%
Strangford: 61%, +11%
North Down: 59%, +10%
Foyle: 65%, +9%
East Londonderry: 63%, +12%
North Antrim: 63%, +10%
East Antrim: 60%, +9%
South Antrim: 62%, +11%
Upper Bann: 62% + %
Newry & Armagh: 69% + 10%
Fermanagh and South Tyrone: 73%, +9%
West Tyrone: 73%, +13%
Lagan Valley 62%, + 9%
South Down 66% +12%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 03, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 01:14:27 PM
Looks like Nelson McCausland may lose his seat in N Belfast  ;D
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
Looks like Nelson McCausland may lose his seat in N Belfast  ;D

This would be truly fantastic .. I'd love to see his horrible little bitter rat face if this happens
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 03, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
Looks like all 4 SF candidates above PBP in West Belfast, so Gerry tell us, how did that brexit thing go for you
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: tintin25 on March 03, 2017, 01:45:44 PM
Looks like Nelson McCausland may lose his seat in N Belfast  ;D

This would be truly fantastic .. I'd love to see his horrible little bitter rat face if this happens

I'm sure he'll be content with the millions he has made from the taxpayers
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: north_antrim_hound on March 03, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Radio Ulster
There now projecting SF could now gain more seats even with the reduction
As high up as 28 instead of 23
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 02:00:45 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 02:04:42 PM
Looks like all 4 SF candidates above PBP in West Belfast, so Gerry tell us, how did that brexit thing go for you

Yeah brilliant ... their Brexit stance fecked them completely ...

What about poor aul Eamon .. will he be out too ... Imagine trying for 170 years to be elected and then once you get in and get your seat comfy, the feckers call another election  ;D ... Not a bad aul fella but as mad as a hatter  :o
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 02:07:47 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working

No doubt he deserves a lot of credit but Jaysus where's he been living the past 60 years ... I watched Mark Carruthers squeeze it out of him and I was cringing "Dont say it Mike, Dont feckin say it"  :o ...... and then he went and said it .. "I'd give my second preference to the SDLP" ... End of story for the UUP :-\
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 02:11:01 PM
Looks like Nelson McCausland may lose his seat in N Belfast  ;D

This would be truly fantastic .. I'd love to see his horrible little bitter rat face if this happens

I'm sure he'll be content with the millions he has made from the taxpayers

It will undoubtedly help but his bitterness trumps all as is frequently demonstrated and yet again on the Nolan show the other night ... He'll be feckin apoplectic if he's out ... Oh please God  8)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working

No doubt he deserves a lot of credit but Jaysus where's he been living the past 60 years ... I watched Mark Carruthers squeeze it out of him and I was cringing "Dont say it Mike, Dont feckin say it"  :o ...... and then he went and said it .. "I'd give my second preference to the SDLP" ... End of story for the UUP :-\

Can't disagree with that
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 03, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working

No doubt he deserves a lot of credit but Jaysus where's he been living the past 60 years ... I watched Mark Carruthers squeeze it out of him and I was cringing "Dont say it Mike, Dont feckin say it"  :o ...... and then he went and said it .. "I'd give my second preference to the SDLP" ... End of story for the UUP :-\

Danny kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on March 03, 2017, 02:38:18 PM
SSE announce gas prices up by 7% in the O6. Good day to bury bad news !
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 02:41:59 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working

No doubt he deserves a lot of credit but Jaysus where's he been living the past 60 years ... I watched Mark Carruthers squeeze it out of him and I was cringing "Dont say it Mike, Dont feckin say it"  :o ...... and then he went and said it .. "I'd give my second preference to the SDLP" ... End of story for the UUP :-\

Danny kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

Yep, as much as I agree with your sentiments, if its a choice between him and a DUPer, I would begrudgingly give him the seat ,.. just to keep the uberbiggots numbers down...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 03, 2017, 02:43:30 PM
32 seats for the DUP according to Jim Wells.

Well that's that then
DUP voters don't care what how their representative behave in office
Lining there own pockets, refusing to work profeceintly with the rest of the government Rep
Calling 45 % of the electorate crocodiles and refusing to acknowledge their national identity
Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face
Lost the battle but not the war as another poster just mentioned at least another 15 year wait for the demographic to kick in or a little Help from Scotland or both
What a bunch of bigoted insightful cavemen
The unionist community have spoken and it's the same old tripe

Yeah it really is f*cking hideous if this is the case .... Bunch of cnuts would rather live in a sewer than have a Catholic first minister .. essentially thats what its about ... F*ck Sake  :-\

Mind you Mike Nesbit didnt help ... If the UUP had anyone decent at all to lead them they could have taken swaves off the DUP .. instead it looks like he actually drove his existing support towards them .. poor deluded idiot.

Mike tried to step away from the sectarian head count a little, can't fault him for that. He should have anticpated better that his voters wouldn't like that, but on balance, I think he deserves credit for trying it more than criticism for it not working

No doubt he deserves a lot of credit but Jaysus where's he been living the past 60 years ... I watched Mark Carruthers squeeze it out of him and I was cringing "Dont say it Mike, Dont feckin say it"  :o ...... and then he went and said it .. "I'd give my second preference to the SDLP" ... End of story for the UUP :-\

Danny kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

Yep, as much as I agree with your sentiments, if its a choice between him and a DUPer, I would begrudgingly give him the seat ,.. just to keep the uberbiggots numbers down...

DUP already elected the last seat will likely be between Kennedy and the SDLP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
Danny Kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

he is 1200 short behind Conor Murphy. The DUP guy has 600 of a surplus and the Alliance candidate has 1400. He'll get some Alliance transfers and the rest will elect McNulty, so McNulty's surplus might make  or break Danny. If Danny gets, then Conor Murphy does not.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ashman on March 03, 2017, 02:49:01 PM
Danny Kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

he is 1200 short behind Conor Murphy. The DUP guy has 600 of a surplus and the Alliance candidate has 1400. He'll get some Alliance transfers and the rest will elect McNulty, so McNulty's surplus might make  or break Danny. If Danny gets, then Conor Murphy does not.

Conor Murphy in bother ??? Why is that ?? If he loses would that be a Portillo moment ??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: MoChara on March 03, 2017, 02:52:40 PM
Looks like all 4 SF candidates above PBP in West Belfast, so Gerry tell us, how did that brexit thing go for you

He couldn't be far of the seat though, you'd have to think the transfers from Michael Collins to him will put him near the quota
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 02:53:13 PM
Looks like all 4 SF candidates above PBP in West Belfast, so Gerry tell us, how did that brexit thing go for you

He couldn't be far of the seat though, you'd have to think the transfers from Michael Collins to him will put him near the quota

Yeah he is expected to get in, Attwood out
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 02:53:56 PM


DUP already elected the last seat will likely be between Kennedy and the SDLP

Danny Kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

he is 1200 short behind Conor Murphy. The DUP guy has 600 of a surplus and the Alliance candidate has 1400. He'll get some Alliance transfers and the rest will elect McNulty, so McNulty's surplus might make  or break Danny. If Danny gets, then Conor Murphy does not.

Danny Kennedy in trouble maybe he would be grateful of a few nationalist transfer but seeing as he wants to out fleg DUP I hope he is toast the pr1ck

he is 1200 short behind Conor Murphy. The DUP guy has 600 of a surplus and the Alliance candidate has 1400. He'll get some Alliance transfers and the rest will elect McNulty, so McNulty's surplus might make  or break Danny. If Danny gets, then Conor Murphy does not.

Conor Murphy in bother ??? Why is that ?? If he loses would that be a Portillo moment ??

Im totally lost here lads .. is it between Kennedy and SDLP .. or .. Kennedy and SF

Either way I hope he’s out .. now that I know it aint the DUP ..
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 02:57:09 PM
Eamonn McCann is toast.
Gerry Carroll is get last seat, without making the quota.
PBP leap forward stumbles.

There are interesting things in relation to later transfers in Lagan Valley the SDLP transfers could push the UU person ahead of the DUP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Longshanks on March 03, 2017, 03:02:47 PM
massive news if east derry get the two SF in and ind
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
Im totally lost here lads .. is it between Kennedy and SDLP .. or .. Kennedy and SF

Either way I hope he’s out .. now that I know it aint the DUP ..

It is between Murphy and Kennedy. The preferences from the SDLP surplus when McNulty is elected will determine things.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 03, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
Alex Atwood gone
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on March 03, 2017, 03:11:21 PM
Will you remember what you were doing if and when Kennedy falls?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
Will you remember what you were doing if and when Kennedy falls?

Probably not. But if McCausland isn't elected I will discard my Lenten resolutions for one day.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
Will you remember what you were doing if and when Kennedy falls?

Probably not. But if McCausland isn't elected I will discard my Lenten resolutions for one day.

lol .. I'll drink to that  :)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 03, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
Carla Lockart chewed them all up in Upper Bann.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 03, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
Gerry Carroll doesn't get that brexit or left exit is the same thing to those who want to remain.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 03, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
Where is this Stor-mount that Martina Anderson talks about?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Whatever about SDLP - UU transfers, some people have an interesting strategy, Conservative 1 and PBP 2 is a bit different for instance.

Anyhow prediction from Nicholas Whyte.
Final seats range: DUP 28-32, SF 26-30, UUP 8-11, SDLP 6-11, Alliance 8-9, Green 2, PBP 1, TUV 1, Sugden 1. Max 44/90 Unionist MLAs.
This means that the Assembly can at least vote for something to be done about Brexit, May might not listen but she certainly won't if they could not get their act together.
There will never a unionist majority again, unless turnout declines.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 03:46:05 PM
Just a point, max per that is 45. Sugden is unionist.

Also to note, pbp is pro brexit
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Longshanks on March 03, 2017, 03:49:44 PM
Just a point, max per that is 45. Sugden is unionist.

Also to note, pbp is pro brexit

Might be brought up unionist but doesn't side with many of their policies.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
Whatever about SDLP - UU transfers, some people have an interesting strategy, Conservative 1 and PBP 2 is a bit different for instance.

Anyhow prediction from Nicholas Whyte.
Final seats range: DUP 28-32, SF 26-30, UUP 8-11, SDLP 6-11, Alliance 8-9, Green 2, PBP 1, TUV 1, Sugden 1. Max 44/90 Unionist MLAs.
This means that the Assembly can at least vote for something to be done about Brexit, May might not listen but she certainly won't if they could not get their act together.
There will never a unionist majority again, unless turnout declines.

Very interesting
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Hereiam on March 03, 2017, 03:58:34 PM
Foster tops the poll in FST which is very disheartening
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 04:01:11 PM
Carla Lockart chewed them all up in Upper Bann.

Well it isn't a beauty contest, the pulchritudinous Dobson is not likely to make it. 


Just a point, max per that is 45. Sugden is unionist.

Also to note, pbp is pro brexit

This was Whyte's calculation. Most likely Sugden does not in then another unionist would, so not affecting the total.
PBP abstained rather than actually vote against special status and they may want to reflect on their policies in the light of recent events.

Foster tops the poll in FST which is very disheartening

Yes, but she didn't make the quota, unlike Long and O'Neill.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 04:01:23 PM
Foster tops the poll in FST which is very disheartening

"There are none as blind as those who cannot see"  ::) ..... Na actually thats sh1te, they can see rightly .. just bitter aul feckers ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: haranguerer on March 03, 2017, 04:01:51 PM
Just a point, max per that is 45. Sugden is unionist.

Also to note, pbp is pro brexit

Might be brought up unionist but doesn't side with many of their policies.

She is designated unionist. Also her behaviour (or lack of it) round the RHI was a joke - beholden to the DUP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 04:05:10 PM
0.2% difference between DUP and SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Very close according to the guardian

SF 27.9% first prefs
DUP 28.1%

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng-interactive/2017/mar/03/northern-ireland-assembly-election-latest-results
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 04:18:10 PM
Party   %
DUP    28.1  (-1.1)
SF    27.9   (+3.9)
UUP    12.9    (+0.3)
SDLP 11.9   (-0.1)
APNI 9.1     (+2.1)
OTH 10.2    (-2.4)

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 04:22:35 PM
It looks like it was Arlene's election, her general behaviour and attitude and her scaremongering has allowed DUP to hold steady and for SF to increase its votes.  Another polarising election producing a tribal vote.

UUP could become irrelevant in unionism and the UUP-SDLP opposition have had a bad day and may fall behind or level with the Alliance.

RHI didn't harm the DUP as it would have in any other civil society.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on March 03, 2017, 04:22:40 PM
Big winners are nationalism and republicanism in particular. Fosters arrogance and condescension coming home to roost even though it didn't hit her own personal vote. Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
Foster tops the poll in FST which is very disheartening

But the overall share of the vote has fallen by 2.8%.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 04:33:23 PM
Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.

UUP will struggle to find a leader if Nesbitt is removed, he may hang on until the AGM later in the year.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: AhNowRef on March 03, 2017, 04:40:53 PM
I wonder if McCausland isnt elected will we see his lovely wee weasly chops back as a SPAD or some such sh1te ...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on March 03, 2017, 04:52:22 PM
Big winners are nationalism and republicanism in particular. Fosters arrogance and condescension coming home to roost even though it didn't hit her own personal vote. Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.

The combined SF/SDLP vote in the 2011 Assembly election was 41.1%, this time it is 39.8%
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on March 03, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
Big winners are nationalism and republicanism in particular. Fosters arrogance and condescension coming home to roost even though it didn't hit her own personal vote. Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.

The combined SF/SDLP vote in the 2011 Assembly election was 41.1%, this time it is 39.8%

Maybe so but I'm basing it on the swing from the last election, republican/nationalist voters had become apathetic and it's likely that Brexit and RHI had a big impact on increasing the voter turnout. PBP would have ate into some of the SF vote since 2011.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 05:04:09 PM
Be interesting to see how it goes the next time as there will likely be no RHI type scandal to mobilise nationalist voters from their slumber
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
Be interesting to see how it goes the next time as there will likely be no RHI type scandal to mobilise nationalist voters from their slumber

Brexit is the bigger issue and it will run and run.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on March 03, 2017, 05:13:38 PM
Big winners are nationalism and republicanism in particular. Fosters arrogance and condescension coming home to roost even though it didn't hit her own personal vote. Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.

The combined SF/SDLP vote in the 2011 Assembly election was 41.1%, this time it is 39.8%

Maybe so but I'm basing it on the swing from the last election, republican/nationalist voters had become apathetic and it's likely that Brexit and RHI had a big impact on increasing the voter turnout. PBP would have ate into some of the SF vote since 2011.

But the combined nationalist vote is still just around what they got in the earliest Assembly elections, around 40%.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
Danny Kennedy gone .
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 05:56:19 PM
Danny Kennedy gone .

Possible to have no UUP west of the Bann.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
Big winners are nationalism and republicanism in particular. Fosters arrogance and condescension coming home to roost even though it didn't hit her own personal vote. Both unionist leaders will be gone by Monday and it is a big momentum swing in Northern politics.

The combined SF/SDLP vote in the 2011 Assembly election was 41.1%, this time it is 39.8%

They got a dose of the Trots in the meantime.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 06:16:50 PM
Things are getting interesting in Upper Bann after elimination of Alliance and now UUP are bottom of the list.

SF   John O'Dowd      8,560.00
DUP   Jonathan Buckley   8,314.00
SDLP   Dolores Kelly      6,509.00
SF   Nuala Toman      6,294.00
UUP   Doug Beattie      6,174.00
UUP   Jo-Anne Dobson      5,910.00
WP   Colin Craig   Eliminated stage 1   
APNI   Tara Doyle   Eliminated stage 2   
TUV   Roy Ferguson   Eliminated stage 1   
GP   Simon Lee   Eliminated stage 1   
DUP   Carla Lockhart   Elected stage 1   
CON   Ian Nickels   Eliminated stage 1   

It will be interesting to see how much SDLP gains from elimination of Dobson to keep ahead of Toman.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 06:19:23 PM
If the UUP stay anti Brexit they can destroy the DUP when Brexit fails.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 06:33:46 PM
If the UUP stay anti Brexit they can destroy the DUP when Brexit fails.

But they voted for Brexit, including in the amendment that Brexit respect the GFA. That alone caused Alliance to take some of their votes.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
Things are getting interesting in Upper Bann after elimination of Alliance and now UUP are bottom of the list.

It will be interesting to see how much SDLP gains from elimination of Dobson to keep ahead of Toman.

Surely she will get more than Toman, however large or small that would be and so this is a rare SDLP gain?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: screenexile on March 03, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
Arlene not speaking to the BBC... could we see a Trump style atrategy from the DUP where they vilify the media at every turn??
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 07:47:08 PM
Just look who is about to be eliminated in North Belfast:

PUP   Julie-Anne Corr-Johnston   Eliminated stage 3   -
PBP   Fiona Ferguson   Eliminated stage 2   -
IND   Adam Millar   Eliminated stage 1   -
GP   Malachai O'Hara   Eliminated stage 1   -
WP   Gemma Weir   Eliminated stage 1   -
SF   Gerry Kelly   -   6,582.00
SF   Carál Ní Chuilín   -   6,155.00
SDLP   Nichola Mallon   -   6,125.00
DUP   Paula Bradley   -   5,236.00
DUP   William Humphrey   4,937.00
APNI   Nuala McAllister   -   4,515.00
DUP   Nelson McCausland   4,372.00
UUP   Robert Foster   Eliminated stage 4   3,141.00
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 07:56:14 PM
Just look who is about to be eliminated in North Belfast:

PUP   Julie-Anne Corr-Johnston   Eliminated stage 3   -
PBP   Fiona Ferguson   Eliminated stage 2   -
IND   Adam Millar   Eliminated stage 1   -
GP   Malachai O'Hara   Eliminated stage 1   -
WP   Gemma Weir   Eliminated stage 1   -
SF   Gerry Kelly   -   6,582.00
SF   Carál Ní Chuilín   -   6,155.00
SDLP   Nichola Mallon   -   6,125.00
DUP   Paula Bradley   -   5,236.00
DUP   William Humphrey   4,937.00
APNI   Nuala McAllister   -   4,515.00
DUP   Nelson McCausland   4,372.00
UUP   Robert Foster   Eliminated stage 4   3,141.00

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Interesting in the South Antrim count 6
Pam Cameron (DUP) 5357.12
Trevor Clarke  (DUP) 5358.4 

one is for the chop, but which one?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Donagh on March 03, 2017, 08:03:35 PM
Things are getting interesting in Upper Bann after elimination of Alliance and now UUP are bottom of the list.

It will be interesting to see how much SDLP gains from elimination of Dobson to keep ahead of Toman.

Surely she will get more than Toman, however large or small that would be and so this is a rare SDLP gain?

SF activists in the count centre conceded a few hours ago that Kelly would leapfrog Toman to take the seat.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Donagh on March 03, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
Looks like Mike TV is about to resign.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
If the UUP stay anti Brexit they can destroy the DUP when Brexit fails.

Brexit isn't what people vote on here. Uup can't agree among themselves.

Mike tv sadly shot himself in the foot talking about siding with themmuns.

Best news so far is mccausland might be out. Bigoted <inser expletive here>
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
Looks like Mike TV is about to resign.

Giving out about sectarian politica while he's at it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 08:10:54 PM
He is out.

225k people voted for dup. Sometimes it is hard to have faith in humanity :(
Title: FST
Post by: FermGael on March 03, 2017, 08:14:23 PM
Looks like Lord Morrow is in serious trouble in FST.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
McCausland gone
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
 
McCausland gone

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: FST
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Looks like Lord Morrow is in serious trouble in FST.

Lynch looks like next to be eliminated.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
At least nesbitt is holding himself to account which is something you certainly wouldn't see from foster.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 08:30:46 PM
At least nesbitt is holding himself to account which is something you certainly wouldn't see from foster.

UUP have had a terrible election though, DUP vote has taken only a minimal hit so no way she was resigning
Title: FST
Post by: FermGael on March 03, 2017, 08:32:47 PM
Looks like Lord Morrow is in serious trouble in FST.

Lynch looks like next to be eliminated.

Lynch elected
Title: Re: FST
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 08:34:40 PM
Looks like Lord Morrow is in serious trouble in FST.

Lynch looks like next to be eliminated.

You were right.  Morrow gone, good riddance. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: red hander on March 03, 2017, 08:38:15 PM
McCausland gone

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brilliant, hateful wee f**ker
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Aaron Boone on March 03, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
Danny Kennedy gone.
Title: Elections
Post by: FermGael on March 03, 2017, 08:45:18 PM
Will the  DUP make 30 ?

I think we will see now for the first time a non unionist overall majority
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Loss of Morrow is a real blow for foster and even Dodds admits it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 03, 2017, 08:51:15 PM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.

Nearly called it right, I can't believe Dolores Kelly got returned. Did I hear right that some areas that were to vote Toman voted for O'Dowd?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
UUP being predicted to get 9 seats!
Title: Re: Elections
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 09:03:14 PM
Will the  DUP make 30 ?

I think we will see now for the first time a non unionist overall majority

Probably 29 seats, I don't see how it's going to work between them and SF regardless of being over/under 30
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 09:17:33 PM
In South Down the Alliance did much better than before, but when the unionist votes were distributed near the end they went 60% to Alliance and  40% to SDLP, so the SDLP held their second seat.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 10:19:05 PM
Looking like DUP 29 & SF 28 seats, no petition of concern power for DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Will the DUP get rid of Foster after the disappointing election?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on March 03, 2017, 10:32:25 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 10:32:45 PM
That and mccausland out are steps in the right direction.

How 225k people vote for these pricks is hugely disheartening though >:(
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 10:34:59 PM
That and mccausland out are steps in the right direction.

How 225k people vote for these pricks is hugely disheartening though >:(

Who do people expect their voters to vote for though ? If not the DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?

You have to be the largest party (seats) to get "privilege" of First Minister
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 03, 2017, 10:43:03 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 10:45:18 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.

Looks like Pat Catney may get in at DUPs expense in Lagan Valley which would mean no POC for DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
Weir in by a whisker against SDLP in Strangford

DUP 5,392.38   SDLP 5,167.09
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on March 03, 2017, 10:52:10 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?

You have to be the largest party (seats) to get "privilege" of First Minister
Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2017, 10:56:49 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.
They may also miss out in Lagan valley so could yet finish up on 28. Come on Bailey and Catney.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 10:57:45 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?

You have to be the largest party (seats) to get "privilege" of First Minister
Thanks for clearing that up.

If it's level on seats, as it could be, then it goes to who has the most first preference votes for FM & that would be the DUP
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 10:58:16 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.

Looks like Pat Catney may get in at DUPs expense in Lagan Valley which would mean no POC for DUP

I would have thought that the DUP would still get more UU transfers than Catney and squeeze in.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on March 03, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?

You have to be the largest party (seats) to get "privilege" of First Minister
Thanks for clearing that up.

If it's level on seats, as it could be, then it goes to who has the most first preference votes for FM & that would be the DUP
In practice though, the deputy can veto the first minister. I'd say the prognosis is very cloudy for the future of this new assembly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Rois on March 03, 2017, 11:03:05 PM
Aw come on Pat!!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 11:04:25 PM
Is it so that under the rules, Sinn Fein as largest nationalist party, could have had a stint with their leader as first minister but refused the privilege?

You have to be the largest party (seats) to get "privilege" of First Minister
Thanks for clearing that up.

If it's level on seats, as it could be, then it goes to who has the most first preference votes for FM & that would be the DUP
In practice though, the deputy can veto the first minister. I'd say the prognosis is very cloudy for the future of this new assembly.

Yeah I can't see how anything resembling a functioning administration can happen, not that it was great before now
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2017, 11:05:21 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.

Looks like Pat Catney may get in at DUPs expense in Lagan Valley which would mean no POC for DUP

I would have thought that the DUP would still get more UU transfers than Catney and squeeze in.
sDLP got more from Palmer than DUP. Next set of UU overages will also contain a lot of her 2nd preferences.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 03, 2017, 11:09:45 PM
I presume even if election is deemed a poor one DUP will stick with Arlene and nominate her role of First Minister. 

That would see Shinners hamstrung on their pledge not to support Arlene, meaning no assembly to use their new found seats and a return to direct rule.

Nothing from their past suggests they will actually do something constructive.

/Jim.

Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 11:21:14 PM
Looks like Catney is in
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2017, 11:24:18 PM
Right now we need Bailey picking up sufficient overage from Alliance and SDLP to put Pengelly or Stanford out.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2017, 11:28:01 PM
Looks like Catney is in
He is.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 03, 2017, 11:30:05 PM
That's the petition of concern gone isn't it?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 11:30:58 PM
That's the petition of concern gone isn't it?

It is
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 03, 2017, 11:34:01 PM
Looks like Catney is in

Definite transfer pattern from the UU, Nesbitt may have achieved something after all.
The SDLP now has two seats, Upper Bann, Lagan Valley that perhaps they wouldn't have expected and which puts a better look on their day.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: GJL on March 03, 2017, 11:35:56 PM
That's the petition of concern gone isn't it?

It is

POC gone and Nelson gone. Those 2 things alone make it all worth while. 😁
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2017, 11:41:38 PM
Looks like Catney is in

Definite transfer pattern from the UU, Nesbitt may have achieved something after all.
The SDLP now has two seats, Upper Bann, Lagan Valley that perhaps they wouldn't have expected and which puts a better look on their day.
Dallat in East Derry may be a 3rd. OHoisin could be a casualty, dropping SF back to 27.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Minder on March 03, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
I know it's been said before but Caral Ni Chuilin comes across terribly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 03, 2017, 11:51:25 PM
So apparently if dup get 2 in south belfast they still can win petition of concern. Ifgreens win one then they don't. According to twitter.

Looks like Pat Catney may get in at DUPs expense in Lagan Valley which would mean no POC for DUP


I would have thought that the DUP would still get more UU transfers than Catney and squeeze in.
sDLP got more from Palmer than DUP. Next set of UU overages will also contain a lot of her 2nd preferences.
Poor vote management by UUP. If they had balanced better Catney would have been eliminated before Palmer.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 03, 2017, 11:56:06 PM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 03, 2017, 11:57:00 PM
There'll be some craic in The Kitchen Bar tonight
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: 5 Sams on March 04, 2017, 12:01:44 AM
I know it's been said before but Caral Ni Chuilin comes across terribly.


But houl on...their vote has "went up"...jesus wept...
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: macdanger2 on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 AM

225k people voted for dup. Sometimes it is hard to have faith in humanity :(

Didn't ~40% of voters opt for Brexit? As such, the DUP (& PBP) are the only ones representing them, or so they would see it I guess.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2017, 12:08:46 AM
26 all with 5 seats to go. What's left?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on March 04, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Lol. Dead on. SDLP are a party of no return. At this stage, they are only going one way. Slán.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2017, 12:09:49 AM
Can't abide Catriona Ruane.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2017, 12:10:34 AM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Lol. Dead on. SDLP are a party of no return. At this stage, they are only going one way. Slán.
Yer balls. You'd have got long odds on SDLP holding their ground in a 90 seat Stormont.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 12:14:03 AM
26 all with 5 seats to go. What's left?

EB  1 DUP to be elected
SB  2 seats left
EL  2 seats left
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on March 04, 2017, 12:14:28 AM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Lol. Dead on. SDLP are a party of no return. At this stage, they are only going one way. Slán.
Yer balls. You'd have got long odds on SDLP holding their ground in a 90 seat Stormont.
You reckon? This was a big chance for them to have a go. A whimper. They're finished.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Lol. Dead on. SDLP are a party of no return. At this stage, they are only going one way. Slán.
Yer balls. You'd have got long odds on SDLP holding their ground in a 90 seat Stormont.

10 seats was the equivalent for SDLP in the 90 seater.  With 11 seats that is a 10% increase on the last Assembly.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 04, 2017, 12:16:32 AM
Jesus Edwin Poots is a f**king cretin.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2017, 12:18:13 AM
Jesus Edwin Poots is a f**king cretin.
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: hardstation on March 04, 2017, 12:21:11 AM
As a proportionate loss from 108 to 90 seats, SDLP would have found its level with 10 seats.  To move above this is a major achievement and gives heart to the middle ground with UUP to SDLP transfers to spite the DUP.  Attwood loss was always accepted given that he should have gone last May.  Ritchie in FST was always an outside chance.  Catney was 20/1 with Paddy Power and is one in the eye for the DUP from Jenny Palmer voters.  Weir should have gone too.

Looking like a very good election for SDLP.
Lol. Dead on. SDLP are a party of no return. At this stage, they are only going one way. Slán.
Yer balls. You'd have got long odds on SDLP holding their ground in a 90 seat Stormont.

10 seats was the equivalent for SDLP in the 90 seater.  With 11 seats that is a 10% increase on the last Assembly.
Ha! Oisín i ndiaidh na bhFiann.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: GJL on March 04, 2017, 12:21:50 AM
Jesus Edwin Poots is a f**king cretin.
Beat me to it.

Was great to watch him though. He is ripping. Lol.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2017, 12:26:47 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2017, 12:31:16 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: yellowcard on March 04, 2017, 12:31:50 AM
Jesus Edwin Poots is a f**king cretin.
Beat me to it.

Was great to watch him though. He is ripping. Lol.

That man is mental, great entertainment though. Him Sammy and Gregory always give off a good soundbite. Just another example why the DUP will never have a broader appeal outside their loyal hardcore following.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dec on March 04, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
I assume that Jim Allister would be prepared to join the DUP in most things that they would have a petition of concern about.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 12:41:33 AM
I doubt it won't be enough as, by the looks of things, they're going to end up on 28
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 04, 2017, 12:46:46 AM
I assume that Jim Allister would be prepared to join the DUP in most things that they would have a petition of concern about.
He does not like PoCs nor the DUP. I imagine he would extract a very high price for backing one.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 01:07:23 AM
I assume that Jim Allister would be prepared to join the DUP in most things that they would have a petition of concern about.
He does not like PoCs nor the DUP. I imagine he would extract a very high price for backing one.

But he shares their 'moral' concerns.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: LeoMc on March 04, 2017, 01:13:05 AM
I assume that Jim Allister would be prepared to join the DUP in most things that they would have a petition of concern about.
He does not like PoCs nor the DUP. I imagine he would extract a very high price for backing one.

But he shares their 'moral' concerns.
However he thinks they lack morals for doing business with SF.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: dillinger on March 04, 2017, 02:00:46 AM
So DUP by one.
Close but no cigar.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Windmill abu on March 04, 2017, 02:07:18 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

True.
Unionists have had to be dragged into modern politics.
As each council\assembly election shows an increase in the nationalist/catholic vote.

The result of this election should show the conservatives that they no longer have a guaranteed support from the majority of voters from here for the policies.

If Sinn Fein make the small step of representing their elecorate at westminster (they have already bowed to the Queen and enjoyed dinner with her). they can negate the DUP's power in London now and make the Unionists go into talks without the automatic backing of the UK Government.
.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2017, 03:05:00 AM
DUP 28
SF 27
SDLP 12
UUP 10
AP 8
Others 4

1 seat left. Where is it?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Eamonnca1 on March 04, 2017, 03:11:23 AM
Poor Nesbitt. I can't help but like the fella. Good speech he gave in standing down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39160945 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-northern-ireland-2017-39160945)
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2017, 03:12:03 AM
DUP 28
SF 27
SDLP 12
UUP 10
AP 8
Others 4

1 seat left. Where is it?

South Belfast, Green declared
Greens take last seat in belfast https://www.periscope.tv/w/a4jUgzFQWEVk

Sin é. Off  to the leaba.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 03:32:44 AM
No real sympathy for Nesbitt. Don't forget at the last Westministerelection he was cozying up to DUP to come up with a pact for agreed unionist candidates. He's completely shallow and just out for himself
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 06:14:40 AM
The DUP needed 30 to trigger their beloved veto, the petition of concern. They lost a big lead they had going into the election. And they are pro Brexit. Foster is a poor leader. The DUP remind me of Armagh.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2017, 06:31:17 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

What do you expect when a line was drawn on a map to keep one side of the headcount happy nearly 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 07:17:17 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

What do you expect when a line was drawn on a map to keep one side of the headcount happy nearly 100 years ago.
Exactly . It has been sectarian from day 1.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: ONeill on March 04, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Can't believe Dobson is out. What's wrong with people. And the Little Penguin too.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on March 04, 2017, 07:55:04 AM
Meanwhile Foreign Affairs Dept in Dublin is shitting itself as the unionist majority dwindles and the prospect of a border poll intensifies.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Tubberman on March 04, 2017, 07:59:32 AM
Meanwhile Foreign Affairs Dept in Dublin is shitting itself as the unionist majority dwindles and the prospect of a border poll intensifies.

Enda Kenny has been calling for a border poll to be discussed in Brexit talks.
You're far more likely to be the one worried about the prospect of a United Ireland.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 04, 2017, 08:06:55 AM
The DUP needed 30 to trigger their beloved veto, the petition of concern. They lost a big lead they had going into the election. And they are pro Brexit. Foster is a poor leader. The DUP remind me of Armagh.

They don't give a shit about brexit sf. It's a tool to "strengthen the union". That is all.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on March 04, 2017, 08:13:11 AM
The SDLP calling this a sectarian result is very bad politics. You lose an election you shouldn't react by insulting the electorate.

I didn't vote but I would have voted SF and I'd have been insulted if I was accused of voting for sectarian reasons. Corruption, the Irish language and equality for LGBT community are not sectarian in motive.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 08:33:10 AM
The DUP needed 30 to trigger their beloved veto, the petition of concern. They lost a big lead they had going into the election. And they are pro Brexit. Foster is a poor leader. The DUP remind me of Armagh.

They don't give a shit about brexit sf. It's a tool to "strengthen the union". That is all.
And the irony is that it has more potential to break the union.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 04, 2017, 08:40:59 AM
Meanwhile Foreign Affairs Dept in Dublin is shitting itself as the unionist majority dwindles and the prospect of a border poll intensifies.
How did you come to that asinine conclusion?
No one including Sinn Fein have made the good economic case for a United Ireland. To give credit to Matt Carthy MEP he did make soundings in that regard.
When Brexit finally kicks there will be no special status for the north. Try convincing the Poles Greeks etc that a small region still under British jurisdiction should get a sweetheart deal.
When the Brussels cheques dries up and Westminster has its arse opened looking after the "mainland" both sides in the north will have to look at alternative political arrangements.
However both north and south is lacking a true leader like Parnell that the country could rally behind
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 04, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

What do you expect when a line was drawn on a map to keep one side of the headcount happy nearly 100 years ago.

I expect local politicians to create jobs, improve health, generate growth, improved education not separate education... build bridges with our neighbors not divide them further... simple things like that, what do you look for from your politicians?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on March 04, 2017, 08:48:59 AM
Meanwhile Foreign Affairs Dept in Dublin is shitting itself as the unionist majority dwindles and the prospect of a border poll intensifies.
How did you come to that asinine conclusion?
No one including Sinn Fein have made the good economic case for a United Ireland. To give credit to Matt Carthy MEP he did make soundings in that regard.
When Brexit finally kicks there will be no special status for the north. Try convincing the Poles Greeks etc that a small region still under British jurisdiction should get a sweetheart deal.
When the Brussels cheques dries up and Westminster has its arse opened looking after the "mainland" both sides in the north will have to look at alternative political arrangements.
However both north and south is lacking a true leader like Parnell that the country could rally behind

Nobody cares about the Greeks, least of all the EU. The Poles have a big interest in the ex pats in the UK and might have some voice.

Parnell, FFS
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 08:52:23 AM
The DUP needed 30 to trigger their beloved veto, the petition of concern. They lost a big lead they had going into the election. And they are pro Brexit. Foster is a poor leader. The DUP remind me of Armagh.

They don't give a shit about brexit sf. It's a tool to "strengthen the union". That is all.
It won't strengthen the union
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/brexits-long-run-effects-john-van-reenen.pdf

I think the DUP were tangoed. SF wanted Arlene to resign but the politics wouldn't allow it as it would have been perceived as a SF win. So they called an election. And a weakened DUP is now just 1 seat ahead. Arlene reminds me of Babs Keating and the Offaly hurlers.

Re there not being a Parnell, the political conditions are not yet ripe for a mould breaker. There is a saying in German that goes something like where heroes are not forgotten new ones will come.
I think a lot of institutions on the island are close to knackered. When the people demand change is when things will start moving.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: johnneycool on March 04, 2017, 08:54:58 AM
Weir in by a whisker against SDLP in Strangford

DUP 5,392.38   SDLP 5,167.09

Shinners fucked Joe Boyle up by standing Kennedy who didn't make the slightest effort, no leaflets, no posters or nothing but still took 1k votes from him. That most certainly would have got Joe over the line at the expense of Weir.
In saying that Joe isn't as clued in on the social media front as the likes of Kellie Armstrong who seems to have mobilised the young mammy vote. Very few aware of Joe's good work at council level helping out the local GAA clubs and so forth.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: T Fearon on March 04, 2017, 08:56:19 AM
Only hope for North is that non voters get to the polls.SF and DUP cult followers do not understand nor care about normal politics like Brexit etc,they only care about the brand
Title: Elections
Post by: FermGael on March 04, 2017, 08:58:15 AM
Only hope for North is that non voters get to the polls.SF and DUP cult followers do not understand nor care about normal politics like Brexit etc,they only care about the brand

Looks like the Catholic Church vote collapsed Tony.....
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: screenexile on March 04, 2017, 09:01:08 AM
Huge result for Nationalists with the seat count dropping by 18 and then both keeping the same number of seats (well SF have 27 now instead of 28).

Unionism in turmoil and a resurgence of the SDLP is great to see. To be fair I don't usually vote for SF but Arelene's arrogance and naked bigotry helped to make my mind up this time.

There was talk she needed a minimum 30 seats to solidify her position as party leader it will be interesting to see how she gets through the next few days. I'm sure Gerry and the BBC will get a get plenty of the blame!

FAKE NEWS
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: imtommygunn on March 04, 2017, 09:03:37 AM
The DUP needed 30 to trigger their beloved veto, the petition of concern. They lost a big lead they had going into the election. And they are pro Brexit. Foster is a poor leader. The DUP remind me of Armagh.

They don't give a shit about brexit sf. It's a tool to "strengthen the union". That is all.
It won't strengthen the union
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/brexits-long-run-effects-john-van-reenen.pdf

I think the DUP were tangoed. SF wanted Arlene to resign but the politics wouldn't allow it as it would have been perceived as a SF win. So they called an election. And a weakened DUP is now just 1 seat ahead. Arlene reminds me of Babs Keating and the Offaly hurlers.

Re there not being a Parnell, the political conditions are not yet ripe for a mould breaker. There is a saying in German that goes something like where heroes are not forgotten new ones will come.
I think a lot of institutions on the island are close to knackered. When the people demand change is when things will start moving.

Everyone else knows that.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on March 04, 2017, 09:07:33 AM
Huge result for Nationalists with the seat count dropping by 18 and then both keeping the same number of seats (well SF have 27 now instead of 28).

Unionism in turmoil and a resurgence of the SDLP is great to see. To be fair I don't usually vote for SF but Arelene's arrogance and naked bigotry helped to make my mind up this time.

There was talk she needed a minimum 30 seats to solidify her position as party leader it will be interesting to see how she gets through the next few days. I'm sure Gerry and the BBC will get a get plenty of the blame!

FAKE NEWS

I think the Gerry Adams angle didn't work for her in the election. It would be foolish to keep it up.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: TheOptimist on March 04, 2017, 09:07:59 AM
Had to laugh at the DUP coming out against bbc bias yesterday. The bbc are big Sinn Fein supporters now apparently  ::)

Sinn Fein played the whole thing well. Interesting few weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2017, 09:11:04 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

What do you expect when a line was drawn on a map to keep one side of the headcount happy nearly 100 years ago.

I expect local politicians to create jobs, improve health, generate growth, improved education not separate education... build bridges with our neighbors not divide them further... simple things like that, what do you look for from your politicians?
Obviously those things too. However NI will always be unionist v nationalist until a UI comes around.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
Kevin Maher and Gorgeous George Galloway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ94BMDiyBU
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: king of leon on March 04, 2017, 09:21:49 AM
Will Arlene go? Surely she her arrogance can't go beyond this.

Also, what is the likelihood of Sinn Fein ever taking their seats at Westminster?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on March 04, 2017, 09:22:17 AM

Obviously those things too. However NI will always be unionist v nationalist until a UI comes around.

I think that's a lazy argument. This election shows that's not the case.

If you take into account the results you'll see the issues were, Brexit, Equality (LGBT), Corruption, Irish Language. These are not unionist v nationalist issues.
Some might argue the Irish Language is but for the majority of nationalists and many unionits it isnt. 
If we are all nationalist and Unionist the Alliance would not have done so well and the SDLP would not have received Unionist transfers.
It seems this nationalist Unionist divide being protrayed is the product of lazy journalists who don't want to dig into it. It's also taking the election map and seeing it in terms of green and orange. It's how it's always displayed by lazy journalists and media. If it was changed to blue and red for voters who voted for pro and anti Brexit parties it would look different. But, that would mean journalists who made their trade in the 1980s in the north would need to change their ingrained train of thought.
It would also mean southern and UK based journalists having to explain it to their market. It's easier to say green and orange to the their audience than try to explain that there is a modern politic happening in the north.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: vallankumous on March 04, 2017, 09:28:50 AM
Will Arlene go? Surely she her arrogance can't go beyond this.

Also, what is the likelihood of Sinn Fein ever taking their seats at Westminster?

Hard to know on the first one.
 
Never on the second.
Their electorate don't want it. If they stand on a platform of taking their seats, they won't get elected.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 04, 2017, 09:32:23 AM

Obviously those things too. However NI will always be unionist v nationalist until a UI comes around.

I think that's a lazy argument. This election shows that's not the case.

If you take into account the results you'll see the issues were, Brexit, Equality (LGBT), Corruption, Irish Language. These are not unionist v nationalist issues.
Some might argue the Irish Language is but for the majority of nationalists and many unionits it isnt. 
If we are all nationalist and Unionist the Alliance would not have done so well and the SDLP would not have received Unionist transfers.
It seems this nationalist Unionist divide being protrayed is the product of lazy journalists who don't want to dig into it. It's also taking the election map and seeing it in terms of green and orange. It's how it's always displayed by lazy journalists and media. If it was changed to blue and red for voters who voted for pro and anti Brexit parties it would look different. But, that would mean journalists who made their trade in the 1980s in the north would need to change their ingrained train of thought.
It would also mean southern and UK based journalists having to explain it to their market. It's easier to say green and orange to the their audience than try to explain that there is a modern politic happening in the north.
Fair enough vallankumous.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 09:32:55 AM

Obviously those things too. However NI will always be unionist v nationalist until a UI comes around.

I think that's a lazy argument. This election shows that's not the case.

If you take into account the results you'll see the issues were, Brexit, Equality (LGBT), Corruption, Irish Language. These are not unionist v nationalist issues.
Some might argue the Irish Language is but for the majority of nationalists and many unionits it isnt. 
If we are all nationalist and Unionist the Alliance would not have done so well and the SDLP would not have received Unionist transfers.
It seems this nationalist Unionist divide being protrayed is the product of lazy journalists who don't want to dig into it. It's also taking the election map and seeing it in terms of green and orange. It's how it's always displayed by lazy journalists and media. If it was changed to blue and red for voters who voted for pro and anti Brexit parties it would look different. But, that would mean journalists who made their trade in the 1980s in the north would need to change their ingrained train of thought.
It would also mean southern and UK based journalists having to explain it to their market. It's easier to say green and orange to the their audience than try to explain that there is a modern politic happening in the north.
There seems to be a strong correlation between Unionist seats and areas with Protestant majorities.

for example , red blue yellow
http://elections.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ni-assembly-2017/east-antrim

versus
green green green green red

http://elections.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ni-assembly-2017/west-tyrone

How many UUP transfers did the SDLP get anyway ?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Avondhu star on March 04, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Meanwhile Foreign Affairs Dept in Dublin is shitting itself as the unionist majority dwindles and the prospect of a border poll intensifies.
How did you come to that asinine conclusion?
No one including Sinn Fein have made the good economic case for a United Ireland. To give credit to Matt Carthy MEP he did make soundings in that regard.
When Brexit finally kicks there will be no special status for the north. Try convincing the Poles Greeks etc that a small region still under British jurisdiction should get a sweetheart deal.
When the Brussels cheques dries up and Westminster has its arse opened looking after the "mainland" both sides in the north will have to look at alternative political arrangements.
However both north and south is lacking a true leader like Parnell that the country could rally behind

Nobody cares about the Greeks, least of all the EU. The Poles have a big interest in the ex pats in the UK and might have some voice.

Parnell, FFS

You badly need to read up on European history. Its not all about the six counties. The EU and USA need Greece to be pro Europe and not pro Moscow. Why do you think the Generals rules Greece in the 70s? Poland with its history is the same. Dont be relying on Wojcieh in McDonalds Kings Cross to have any influence on Brexit.
As for Parnell and your FFS comment. Your knowledge of Irish history is as bad as your knowledge of European history.
Dont worry the pubs are opening soon. You can pop down and have a pint while you read The Sun
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 04, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
Huge result for Nationalists with the seat count dropping by 18 and then both keeping the same number of seats (well SF have 27 now instead of 28).

Unionism in turmoil and a resurgence of the SDLP is great to see. To be fair I don't usually vote for SF but Arelene's arrogance and naked bigotry helped to make my mind up this time.

There was talk she needed a minimum 30 seats to solidify her position as party leader it will be interesting to see how she gets through the next few days. I'm sure Gerry and the BBC will get a get plenty of the blame!

FAKE NEWS

The sort of attitudes held by the DUP are massive own goals for unionism. I was 16/17 around the time of the Fleg Protests. I was always pretty political but the majority of people of a similar age didn't really care that much, weren't altogether too pushed on a UI (certainly wouldn't have spent much time worrying about it) and definitely wouldn't have followed politics closely. In come the fleggers and everything changed, their centrist and 'not really interested' opinion shifted to relatively hardline nationalism and a definite interest in Stormont. I would say that I see a post on Facebook every day from some of them about SF, the Irish language, sharing something from LAD etc or commenting on newspaper articles about northern (and southern/UK) politics.

I would imagine something similar happened with the 15/16 year olds of today after the rogues and renegades BS, closely followed up by Brexit, crocodiles and whatever other nonsense Arlene has come out with over the past 12 months. As long as Unionism keeps the dinosaurs in the DUP ticking over, they keep producing a generation of politicised nationalists. Just like Brexit, cutting off their nose to spite their face in the long run.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 09:56:54 AM
Likely end up, 40 unionists, 39 nationalists and 11 others, probably 28 DUP and 27 SF.
That's sums up NI politics... sectarian head count

Feck everything else that matters

What do you expect when a line was drawn on a map to keep one side of the headcount happy nearly 100 years ago.

I expect local politicians to create jobs, improve health, generate growth, improved education not separate education... build bridges with our neighbors not divide them further... simple things like that, what do you look for from your politicians?
So who did you vote for then?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 10:02:12 AM
The SDLP calling this a sectarian result is very bad politics. You lose an election you shouldn't react by insulting the electorate.

I didn't vote but I would have voted SF and I'd have been insulted if I was accused of voting for sectarian reasons. Corruption, the Irish language and equality for LGBT community are not sectarian in motive.

Well there should end your contribution to any discussion. Btw SDLP didn't lose they increased seats by 20% on equivalence and narrowly beaten by 143 votes in Strangford which would have almost match SF increase on equivalence.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 10:09:18 AM
Huge result for Nationalists with the seat count dropping by 18 and then both keeping the same number of seats (well SF have 27 now instead of 28).

Unionism in turmoil and a resurgence of the SDLP is great to see. To be fair I don't usually vote for SF but Arelene's arrogance and naked bigotry helped to make my mind up this time.

There was talk she needed a minimum 30 seats to solidify her position as party leader it will be interesting to see how she gets through the next few days. I'm sure Gerry and the BBC will get a get plenty of the blame!

FAKE NEWS

I think the Gerry Adams angle didn't work for her in the election. It would be foolish to keep it up.

Without using Adams she would have seen meltdown. Unionism exists and feeds on bogeymen. It has always created them and used them to great effect. The mindset of unionism has always been a siege mentality and nationalism has risen above it by having a vision and confidence in all aspects of life.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: 6th sam on March 04, 2017, 10:10:07 AM
Weir in by a whisker against SDLP in Strangford

DUP 5,392.38   SDLP 5,167.09

Shinners fucked Joe Boyle up by standing Kennedy who didn't make the slightest effort, no leaflets, no posters or nothing but still took 1k votes from him. That most certainly would have got Joe over the line at the expense of Weir.
In saying that Joe isn't as clued in on the social media front as the likes of Kellie Armstrong who seems to have mobilised the young mammy vote. Very few aware of Joe's good work at council level helping out the local GAA clubs and so forth.
I would presume that SF strategy also included maximising their total first preference , as well as optimising their seat count. But Their apparent lack of electioneering in Strangford was possibly an indication that they would have been happy enough to see Joe get over the line. The SDLP have been in a very difficult position for years. It would be almost impossible for them to regain their position as the main nationalist  party , so in a party political sense they have to make every effort to maintain their representation. Though their vote has been steadily dropping whilst the "nationalist" population has been increasing, their attempts to attract unionist transfers actually proved "successful" in terms of retaining their seat count. However ,their decision to opportunistically co-blame sinn féin for the fall of Stormont , angered many nationalists. There has been a growing feeling that some in the DUP wanted to go back to a pre-1969 , and the sneering disrespect for nationalist culture and aspirations actually motivated more than 60,000 extra nationalists to the polls. There was an incredible 35% increase in Sinn Féin votes in only 9 months. Arlene's anti-Sinn Féin scaremongering rallied her own troops with 9% increase in DUP vote, but in the process she has given Sinn Féin a massive lift and many DUP stalwarts are out of a job. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the DUPs post election meeting, where she is bound to be given her marching orders. From a nationalist perspective, many will be disappointed as this election came within a whisker of an end to nearly 100 years of unionist rule in this part of the country. Your accusation that sinn féin should have stepped aside for Joe , could equally be targeted at SDLP candidates who , if they stepped aside , could have secured a nationalist majority in the 6 counties for the first time ever. SDLP appear to have "softened" over the years Eg Pat Catney and others talking about making " this country" (presumably NI) work. Many nationalists have little interest in making "this country work" because they feel it has been given 100 years to work and continues to fail miserably.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Horse Box on March 04, 2017, 10:10:35 AM
Weir in by a whisker against SDLP in Strangford

DUP 5,392.38   SDLP 5,167.09

Shinners fucked Joe Boyle up by standing Kennedy who didn't make the slightest effort, no leaflets, no posters or nothing but still took 1k votes from him. That most certainly would have got Joe over the line at the expense of Weir.
In saying that Joe isn't as clued in on the social media front as the likes of Kellie Armstrong who seems to have mobilised the young mammy vote. Very few aware of Joe's good work at council level helping out the local GAA clubs and so forth.

It`s a pity that there`s not more cooperation between Nationalists in an area like this where there is a hint of a seat . Joe has been very unlucky over the years always just ending up outside the Bubble . The Shinners were right the run , if they didn`t they would have been accused of playing the sectarian card , it`s just a pity Kennedy didn`t make the effort and also ask people to transfer to Joe !
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 10:17:22 AM
How many in the DUP assembly/Westminster  group defected from the UUP other than Foster and Donaldson? DUP policy for years has been based on vilification of SF and then working with them begrudgingly . There is nothing else really in terms of strategy and now the demographics are catching up with them.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
Nelson McCausland, Peter Weir, Brenda Hale, Jonathan Bell are 4 that spring to mind
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Main Street on March 04, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
At least the tabloid headlines offer a smile.
"Nesbit the Dust"

In theory, the model of the assembly is that largest opposition parties have to negotiate with each other in order to get stuff done, but in that model is the seed of its demise, the impasse.

Judging by the rise in nationalist vote, not just for Sinn Fein but also the SDLP  I take it that Foster succeeded in  deeply insulting most all nationalists, of every shade of green.
  Now she wants a return to civility ::)  I'd say the DUP will have to get rid of her now that she has done her duty and outliving her usefulness, in order for the assembly to have a chance to function to some extent.
I wouldn't underestimate the DUP's desire for power and avoid the final steps to assembly destruction.



Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2017, 10:25:07 AM
Nelson McCausland, Peter Weir, Brenda Hale, Jonathan Bell are 4 that spring to mind
GRMA
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 04, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
At least the tabloid headlines offer a smile.
"Nesbit the Dust"

In theory, the model of the assembly is that largest opposition parties have to negotiate with each other in order to get stuff done, but in that model is the seed of its demise, the impasse.

Judging by the rise in nationalist vote, not just for Sinn Fein but also the SDLP  I take it that Foster succeeded in  deeply insulting most all nationalists, of every shade of green.
  Now she wants a return to civility ::)  I'd say the DUP will have to get rid of her now that she has done her duty and outliving her usefulness, in order for the assembly to have a chance to function to some extent.
I wouldn't underestimate the DUP's desire for power and avoid the final steps to assembly destruction.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they hold out now for another election in 6 weeks time. They can blame SF intransigence then use the scare tactics of a possible SF First Minister to help maximise their vote and discourage UUP transfers to SDLP.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 04, 2017, 10:46:10 AM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.
O'Dowd is better known, Cat Seeley standing down was a mistake, she could have stood down afterwards. Kelly is a dose and very negative in her approach to the nationalist community.
Nearly called it right, I can't believe Dolores Kelly got returned. Did I hear right that some areas that were to vote Toman voted for O'Dowd?
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 04, 2017, 10:46:49 AM
Only hope for North is that non voters get to the polls.SF and DUP cult followers do not understand nor care about normal politics like Brexit etc,they only care about the brand
Graceful as ever.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Applesisapples on March 04, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
Odious Poots on UTV. Take no shite Michelle!
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: balladmaker on March 04, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
Unionist overall majority is gone, and forever ... enough said.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: lurganblue on March 04, 2017, 11:06:21 AM
SF running 4 candidates in FST last time out cost them a seat, if they run 3 this time out they should get them all returned.

There are 2 seats in Upper Bann for SF if they manage their vote properly.

I reckon Newry & Armagh will be 3SF, 1DUP & 1SDLP with Danny Kennedy to lose out.

Strangford will be interesting to see if Jonathan Bell damages the DUP vote.
O'Dowd is better known, Cat Seeley standing down was a mistake, she could have stood down afterwards. Kelly is a dose and very negative in her approach to the nationalist community.
Nearly called it right, I can't believe Dolores Kelly got returned. Did I hear right that some areas that were to vote Toman voted for O'Dowd?

Not sure about that but i did hear that over 1000 votes for Dolores were transfered from the UUP. 
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: GJL on March 04, 2017, 11:06:54 AM
Will Arlene go? Surely she her arrogance can't go beyond this.

Also, what is the likelihood of Sinn Fein ever taking their seats at Westminster?

This has been a disaster of an election for the DUP. She will be forced out from within.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 04, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
I still think Shinners have boxed themselves in by making Arlene a red line issue. DUP will dig their heels in. Direct rule is much more attractive to them than working to Shinner agenda. Tories will be happy to have their lapdog available throughout Brevity and won't pressure them.

Shinners should play nice, get Assembly back, then push o with legislation.  Language Act,  gay marriage  and anything reasonable will be unstoppable.

Unfortunately I think they have a hostage to fortune with Arlene and a period of direct rule lies ahead. 

/Jim.
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: lurganblue on March 04, 2017, 11:12:55 AM
Will Arlene go? Surely she her arrogance can't go beyond this.

Also, what is the likelihood of Sinn Fein ever taking their seats at Westminster?

This has been a disaster of an election for the DUP. She will be forced out from within.

Has to be. And in fairness, that might be the only measure that actually brings about an agreement to form a government
Title: Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
Post by: Take Your Points on March 04, 2017, 11:19:00 AM
You have to look at equivalences to see how all fared:

DUP 38 (2016) equals 32 (2017) achieved 28 down by 12.5%

SF 28 (2016) equals 23 (2017) achieved 27 up by 17.4%

UUP 16 (2016) equals 13 (2017) achieved 10 down by 23.1%

SDLP 12 (2016) equals 10 (2017) achieved 12 up by 20%

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