Brexit.

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yellowcard

Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.

It's a shit deal for everyone but the instability of Brexit will linger on for years, it is only the beginning of the process. Wait until the negotiations for a trade agreement begin.

trailer

Any border poll is in the gift of the SOS for NI. I would doubt very much that any Conservative SOS would call one.


johnnycool

Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.
Is a border on the border better than a border across the Irish Sea?
It has to be one or the other. At least until a EU UK trade deal is done

HMRC are making provisions for inspections on the GB ports like Liverpool and Stranraer rather than Belfast and Larne.

trailer

Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.
Is a border on the border better than a border across the Irish Sea?
It has to be one or the other. At least until a EU UK trade deal is done

HMRC are making provisions for inspections on the GB ports like Liverpool and Stranraer rather than Belfast and Larne.

Things to think about before we all jump about signing because the border is in the Irish Sea and not Newry.

Who pays for these checks?
How much extra paperwork will be generated? Who is responsible for filling it out?
Are they all completed in the UK?
Do companies have the manpower /skills to complete the paperwork?
What happens when paperwork is incorrectly completed? Especially with perishable goods?
What checks will take place on goods South to North?
Costs? Time? Labour? Skills?

Make no mistake this is a shit deal. And while of course it could push us towards a UI that will be no silver bullet by no means. A Boris majority on Friday will f**k us right over. We've been fucked over by the DUP and I am really shocked that the Irish Government have agreed to this.




Rossfan

Just buy stuff from the 26 Counties  ;)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

marty34

Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.
Is a border on the border better than a border across the Irish Sea?
It has to be one or the other. At least until a EU UK trade deal is done

HMRC are making provisions for inspections on the GB ports like Liverpool and Stranraer rather than Belfast and Larne.

Things to think about before we all jump about signing because the border is in the Irish Sea and not Newry.

Who pays for these checks?
How much extra paperwork will be generated? Who is responsible for filling it out?
Are they all completed in the UK?
Do companies have the manpower /skills to complete the paperwork?
What happens when paperwork is incorrectly completed? Especially with perishable goods?
What checks will take place on goods South to North?
Costs? Time? Labour? Skills?

Make no mistake this is a shit deal. And while of course it could push us towards a UI that will be no silver bullet by no means. A Boris majority on Friday will f**k us right over. We've been fucked over by the DUP and I am really shocked that the Irish Government have agreed to this.

I thought your SDLP/FF/FG pals were our mates?

trailer

Quote from: marty34 on December 11, 2019, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.
Is a border on the border better than a border across the Irish Sea?
It has to be one or the other. At least until a EU UK trade deal is done

HMRC are making provisions for inspections on the GB ports like Liverpool and Stranraer rather than Belfast and Larne.

Things to think about before we all jump about signing because the border is in the Irish Sea and not Newry.

Who pays for these checks?
How much extra paperwork will be generated? Who is responsible for filling it out?
Are they all completed in the UK?
Do companies have the manpower /skills to complete the paperwork?
What happens when paperwork is incorrectly completed? Especially with perishable goods?
What checks will take place on goods South to North?
Costs? Time? Labour? Skills?

Make no mistake this is a shit deal. And while of course it could push us towards a UI that will be no silver bullet by no means. A Boris majority on Friday will f**k us right over. We've been fucked over by the DUP and I am really shocked that the Irish Government have agreed to this.

I thought your SDLP/FF/FG pals were our mates?

I don't think any party in NI is in favour of this deal? It avoids the need for a hard border in Ireland, but apart from that I can see no upside. A lot will depend on the future relationship that the UK and EU agree. 

Hound

Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2019, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 11, 2019, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 11, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 11, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 10, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
This deal is really shit. If the Tories win on Friday with a majority NI will be set back for 50 years.
Is a border on the border better than a border across the Irish Sea?
It has to be one or the other. At least until a EU UK trade deal is done

HMRC are making provisions for inspections on the GB ports like Liverpool and Stranraer rather than Belfast and Larne.

Things to think about before we all jump about signing because the border is in the Irish Sea and not Newry.

Who pays for these checks?
How much extra paperwork will be generated? Who is responsible for filling it out?
Are they all completed in the UK?
Do companies have the manpower /skills to complete the paperwork?
What happens when paperwork is incorrectly completed? Especially with perishable goods?
What checks will take place on goods South to North?
Costs? Time? Labour? Skills?

Make no mistake this is a shit deal. And while of course it could push us towards a UI that will be no silver bullet by no means. A Boris majority on Friday will f**k us right over. We've been fucked over by the DUP and I am really shocked that the Irish Government have agreed to this.

I thought your SDLP/FF/FG pals were our mates?

I don't think any party in NI is in favour of this deal? It avoids the need for a hard border in Ireland, but apart from that I can see no upside. A lot will depend on the future relationship that the UK and EU agree.
Trailer, it's as if you have forgotten what the whole point of Brexit is. Of course it's bad for business! Nobody anywhere is denying that, but it's only the extent of how bad it could be that is up for discussion.

In the context of a Brexit, this deal is just about the best possible for the south. No impact to cross border transactions. No border checks. But with Brexit there has to be a border somewhere, so our objective was to place it in the Irish Sea, rather than on this island.

When BJ is saying there'll be no checks for goods going from NI to GB, he's not completely lying, just greatly over-simplifying.

The objective is that for goods that originate in NI and go the GB as final destination, there should be no costs and no border checks.
Clearly any goods that then leave the UK for an EU destination have to go through checks and incur duties just like any GB goods will (pre a new trade deal anyway, but that'll take years).

The problem is how you prove that the goods didn't originate in ROI (or elsewhere) and cross into NI before going to GB. That's going to require a check somewhere. And therefore costs. Ideally, they'll come up with some sort of pre-clearance procedure, but that'll take a while to get up and running properly. HMRC are pretty competent (compared to most government agencies anyway), so I think they will get a proper system up and running without too much delay - although they'll have to run plenty of audits/checks to make sure the system doesn't get abused!


Milltown Row2

Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2019, 11:14:50 AM
Just buy stuff from the 26 Counties  ;)

Too expensive to buy anything down there
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
Get a proper job!

Very well paid job, thanks very much, there was a report out recently saying Dublin is more expensive that London! good luck
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Rossfan

Well good for Dublin and London.
But what had it to say about Elphin or Ballyhaunis?

Hopefully lots of form filling etc on stuff going from GB to the 6 Cos will lead Northern businesses to go with the simpler option of buying from down the road.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Hound

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
Get a proper job!

Very well paid job, thanks very much, there was a report out recently saying Dublin is more expensive that London! good luck
Tut!

Have you not heard that the UN has just come out and said Ireland is the third best place in the world to live?

QuoteIreland has the third highest quality of life in the world, according to a new study by the United Nations.

The annual Human Development Index rankings are calculated using three categories: health, education and income.

Norway topped the list, followed by Switzerland, with UK and US taking 15th and 16th places.

Ireland has a life expectancy of 82 years, 16th of 189 countries, with the highest life expectancy coming from Hong Kong at almost 85 years old.

In terms of expected years of schooling, Ireland is ranked seventh behind Australia.

Leading the wealth category is Qatar, with a gross national income of €98,630, as Ireland ranked 12th on the list with a gross national income of €55,265. The lowest for national income is Burundi with €596.

Ireland has shown significant growth in the quality of life index, it is up from fourth place last year, while between 2012 and 2017, it jumped 13 places.

The lowest country in the quality-of-life ranking is Niger, with the bottom 10 countries coming from Africa.

Top 10:
1 Norway
2 Switzerland
3 Ireland
4 Germany
5 Hong Kong (study done pre recent events)
6 Australia
7 Iceland
8 Sweden
9 Singapore
10 Netherlands

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
Get a proper job!

Very well paid job, thanks very much, there was a report out recently saying Dublin is more expensive that London! good luck
Tut!

Have you not heard that the UN has just come out and said Ireland is the third best place in the world to live?

QuoteIreland has the third highest quality of life in the world, according to a new study by the United Nations.

The annual Human Development Index rankings are calculated using three categories: health, education and income.

Norway topped the list, followed by Switzerland, with UK and US taking 15th and 16th places.

Ireland has a life expectancy of 82 years, 16th of 189 countries, with the highest life expectancy coming from Hong Kong at almost 85 years old.

In terms of expected years of schooling, Ireland is ranked seventh behind Australia.

Leading the wealth category is Qatar, with a gross national income of €98,630, as Ireland ranked 12th on the list with a gross national income of €55,265. The lowest for national income is Burundi with €596.

Ireland has shown significant growth in the quality of life index, it is up from fourth place last year, while between 2012 and 2017, it jumped 13 places.

The lowest country in the quality-of-life ranking is Niger, with the bottom 10 countries coming from Africa.

Top 10:
1 Norway
2 Switzerland
3 Ireland
4 Germany
5 Hong Kong (study done pre recent events)
6 Australia
7 Iceland
8 Sweden
9 Singapore
10 Netherlands

I live in Ireland
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Hound

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 11, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 11, 2019, 01:18:37 PM
Get a proper job!

Very well paid job, thanks very much, there was a report out recently saying Dublin is more expensive that London! good luck
Tut!

Have you not heard that the UN has just come out and said Ireland is the third best place in the world to live?

QuoteIreland has the third highest quality of life in the world, according to a new study by the United Nations.

The annual Human Development Index rankings are calculated using three categories: health, education and income.

Norway topped the list, followed by Switzerland, with UK and US taking 15th and 16th places.

Ireland has a life expectancy of 82 years, 16th of 189 countries, with the highest life expectancy coming from Hong Kong at almost 85 years old.

In terms of expected years of schooling, Ireland is ranked seventh behind Australia.

Leading the wealth category is Qatar, with a gross national income of €98,630, as Ireland ranked 12th on the list with a gross national income of €55,265. The lowest for national income is Burundi with €596.

Ireland has shown significant growth in the quality of life index, it is up from fourth place last year, while between 2012 and 2017, it jumped 13 places.

The lowest country in the quality-of-life ranking is Niger, with the bottom 10 countries coming from Africa.

Top 10:
1 Norway
2 Switzerland
3 Ireland
4 Germany
5 Hong Kong (study done pre recent events)
6 Australia
7 Iceland
8 Sweden
9 Singapore
10 Netherlands

I live in Ireland
Absolutely

Just not the "Ireland" that was assessed above. Would have been first otherwise  ;D