China Coronavirus

[J70]

Educate yourselves

https://video.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=6266738894001&ref=twitter.com&fbclid=IwAR0JoBUcAqtY0fhkrtJoniErD8R1CQYVnbijUGQyCbSzzVlEu5vD3Npiqnc

Yep, the best way to protect against variants is for everyone to get Covid and build up natural immunity. Herd immunity.
The immunoligist didn't get into the downside regarding the millions of deaths that would cause, but he wasn't asked.

Of course he wasn't asked.

Six weeks ago this same immunologist was pushing an allegation that the vaccine was in fact toxic.

Its amazing how the "scientists" who Fox News turn to, whether on Covid or climate change or evolution or environmental issues, always seem to be some crank making spurious claims completely at odds with the general scientific consensus.

[bennydorano]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

[Hound]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

Where are these articles benny?

There's lot of real data showing that the risk of catching Covid is vastly reduced among the vaccinated.

Here's on RTE today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0808/1239668-walk-in-clinic-attendance/
Just 3% of cases of Covid-19 are in people aged 65 and older, according to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer.
HSE figures on vaccine uptake showed there was a 99% vaccine uptake rate among those over 70 years of age.
The uptake rate for people aged from 60 to 69 stood at 96% as of Thursday.

This indicates pretty strongly that the vaccinated are far less likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated.

But the lads you follow on facebook are unlikely to agree!

[Taylor]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

Have you any links to any of those articles Benny?

[armaghniac]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

There is a some evidence of this, but also evidence that vaccinated people clear this more quickly and so at least they are infectious for less time.

[bennydorano]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

Where are these articles benny?

There's lot of real data showing that the risk of catching Covid is vastly reduced among the vaccinated.

Here's on RTE today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0808/1239668-walk-in-clinic-attendance/
Just 3% of cases of Covid-19 are in people aged 65 and older, according to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer.
HSE figures on vaccine uptake showed there was a 99% vaccine uptake rate among those over 70 years of age.
The uptake rate for people aged from 60 to 69 stood at 96% as of Thursday.

This indicates pretty strongly that the vaccinated are far less likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated.

But the lads you follow on facebook are unlikely to agree!

Yesterday's UK Sunday Times. See the Telegraph has a similar article.

The jist of it covered in https://hospitalhealthcare.com/covid-19/covid-delta-variant-viral-load-similar-in-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated/

The lads I follow on Facebook?

[Hound]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

Where are these articles benny?

There's lot of real data showing that the risk of catching Covid is vastly reduced among the vaccinated.

Here's on RTE today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0808/1239668-walk-in-clinic-attendance/
Just 3% of cases of Covid-19 are in people aged 65 and older, according to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer.
HSE figures on vaccine uptake showed there was a 99% vaccine uptake rate among those over 70 years of age.
The uptake rate for people aged from 60 to 69 stood at 96% as of Thursday.

This indicates pretty strongly that the vaccinated are far less likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated.

But the lads you follow on facebook are unlikely to agree!

Yesterday's UK Sunday Times. See the Telegraph has a similar article.

The jist of it covered in https://hospitalhealthcare.com/covid-19/covid-delta-variant-viral-load-similar-in-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated/

The lads I follow on Facebook? w**ker.

Calm down on the abusive language chap.

Good article. Good news that vaccinated are much less likely to catch Covid, but not so good that if they do catch Delta, the viral load suggests it can be easily passed on. Of course vaccinated are still far less likely to pass on Covid, given they are far less likely to catch it. Summary as follows:

- There is now clear evidence that vaccination against COVID-19 reduces symptom burden and duration of any associated illness.
- An analysis by Public Health England, has shown that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, reduces the incidence of hospitalisation in those infected with the delta variant.
- In the US, the CDC said a body of evidence now suggests that fully vaccinated individuals were less likely to either acquire COVID-19 or transmit the virus onto others.
- Israel reported that effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines has reduced to 64% with regard to preventing infection and symptomatic illness, coinciding with the spread of the COVID delta variant in the country.
- A CDC study shows viral loads similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated. Thus infection with the COVID delta variant, even among fully vaccinated individuals, could still lead to appreciable transmission of the virus. As a result of these findings, the CDC has now suggested that prevention strategies such as mask wearing should continue indoors, irrespective of vaccination status.

[armaghniac]

In NI it is notable that the number of cases is now much the same everywhere, at a council level the gap between best and worst is now narrower than at most times, although you can see more differences in the postcodes.

[bennydorano]

I've read a few articles lately that seem to confirm a double vaccinated person carries the same viral / transmissible load as an unvaccinated person, bar protecting yourself, unless you're still wearing face masks & social distancing everyone's a potential liability.

Where are these articles benny?

There's lot of real data showing that the risk of catching Covid is vastly reduced among the vaccinated.

Here's on RTE today:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0808/1239668-walk-in-clinic-attendance/
Just 3% of cases of Covid-19 are in people aged 65 and older, according to the Deputy Chief Medical Officer.
HSE figures on vaccine uptake showed there was a 99% vaccine uptake rate among those over 70 years of age.
The uptake rate for people aged from 60 to 69 stood at 96% as of Thursday.

This indicates pretty strongly that the vaccinated are far less likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated.

But the lads you follow on facebook are unlikely to agree!

Yesterday's UK Sunday Times. See the Telegraph has a similar article.

The jist of it covered in https://hospitalhealthcare.com/covid-19/covid-delta-variant-viral-load-similar-in-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated/

The lads I follow on Facebook? w**ker.

Calm down on the abusive language chap.

Good article. Good news that vaccinated are much less likely to catch Covid, but not so good that if they do catch Delta, the viral load suggests it can be easily passed on. Of course vaccinated are still far less likely to pass on Covid, given they are far less likely to catch it. Summary as follows:

- There is now clear evidence that vaccination against COVID-19 reduces symptom burden and duration of any associated illness.
- An analysis by Public Health England, has shown that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, reduces the incidence of hospitalisation in those infected with the delta variant.
- In the US, the CDC said a body of evidence now suggests that fully vaccinated individuals were less likely to either acquire COVID-19 or transmit the virus onto others.
- Israel reported that effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines has reduced to 64% with regard to preventing infection and symptomatic illness, coinciding with the spread of the COVID delta variant in the country.
- A CDC study shows viral loads similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated. Thus infection with the COVID delta variant, even among fully vaccinated individuals, could still lead to appreciable transmission of the virus. As a result of these findings, the CDC has now suggested that prevention strategies such as mask wearing should continue indoors, irrespective of vaccination status.

So, you're reaffirming the point I made.

I am not an anti-Vax, I was highly insulted that you inferred it, I removed the abusive word before you replied having thought better of it, apologies. I fail to see why my post raised a red flag? Sensible people cannot be afraid of changing facts - even if they don't like them.

[Milltown Row2]

So just go for herd immunity and see what's left afterwards

[Ed Ricketts]

The state of this. Hundreds of them, apparently, and not one with the gumption to fire up google maps before joining the charge.

These are the shitehawks polluting your social media feed with anti-vax tripe, and they are absolute simpletons.

Anti-vaccine protesters storm BBC HQ – years after it moved out

Confused anti-vaccine protesters stormed what they thought was a major BBC building on Monday, apparently unaware the corporation largely moved out almost a decade ago.

Rather than target the BBC's news operation, which they hold responsible for promoting Covid-19 vaccines, a handful of protesters gained access to Television Centre in west London, which is now predominantly rented by ITV to film its daytime shows such as Good Morning Britain and This Morning.

The circular building was vacated by the BBC in 2013 and has since been converted into flats and a private members' club.

The BBC retained three studios on the site under its commercial for-profit Studioworks arm, which are largely rented to other broadcasters and provide the permanent base for many of ITV's shows. However, the vast majority of London-based BBC staff and its news operation are based five miles away at the corporation's Broadcasting House on Portland Place.

The Loose Women co-host Charlene White thanked the security team who kept protesters out of the studio while her ITV programme was on air on Monday afternoon.

"Not sure what protesters were hoping to achieve, but all they would've found was me, Jane, Nadia and Penny on Loose Women talking about the menopause," she said.

Many of the protesters outside the building appeared to be operating under the belief they were targeting a major BBC building connected to its news coverage, with live streams and promotional material for the event mentioning the building's BBC links.

Among the individuals outside was Piers Corbyn, the brother of the former Labour party leader, who was recorded on one live stream as saying "we've got to take over these bastards", while other individuals on the protest described the media as "the virus" and criticised the BBC's coverage of the coronavirus pandemic.

Hundreds of people outside the studio building chanted "shame on you", with small scuffles breaking out with Metropolitan police officers guarding the entrance to the studios, although other protesters stepped in to separate the two sides.

Police reinforcements and a helicopter were later deployed to the scene, while a smaller group of demonstrators did later march to Broadcasting House in central London.

The BBC has had to deal with an increasing number of verbal and physical attacks on its journalists by anti-lockdown protesters, with Newsnight's political editor, Nick Watt, targeted outside Downing Street earlier this year.

The BBC's director of news, Fran Unsworth, has warned that abuse of her journalists is a growing problem and has urged staff to train on how to deal with an in-person attack.

The BBC said it did not comment on security matters. A Met spokesperson said no arrests had been made.

[bennydorano]

So just go for herd immunity and see what's left afterwards

Most of Europe is fast approaching that situation, between High vaccination rates and high infection rates it won't be long before it's achieved. The Tories in England went a bit Brexity gung ho with it, but it is the end game.

[johnnycool]

In NI it is notable that the number of cases is now much the same everywhere, at a council level the gap between best and worst is now narrower than at most times, although you can see more differences in the postcodes.

Where TF is the peninsula?

[armaghniac]

Where TF is the peninsula?

Both Strangford Lough and Lough Neagh have been filled in.

[johnnycool]

Where TF is the peninsula?

Both Strangford Lough and Lough Neagh have been filled in.

Lough Neagh is understandable as it's well known that the midgies cause madness in humans. Filling it in is an attempt to sanitise that area.