Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

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Main Street

Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..



Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Definitely had a soft spot for McGuinness but some of the stuff on Twitter etc making me a bit queasy, Martina Anderson and the likes saying  "our Chieftain" is cringy. The bots are in hypnotic trance tonight i can tell you that

BennyCake

Quote from: Main Street on May 21, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..

So basically, the thing in the GFA about being in the north and being an Irish citizen, is absolutely meaningless?

Main Street

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Quote from: BennyCake on May 23, 2020, 11:56:17 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 21, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 20, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
Jim Wells and Gavin Robinson trying to rewrite GFA at the minute, saying any Irish identity or citizenship someone born in the North has is merely in addition to their Britishness.
Gavin Robinson is correct, this has been discussed other threads here.
It is the British Nationality Act 1981 which defines citizenship inside the UK. Afaiu,  that 1981 act would need to be updated to incorporate any GFA clause on nationality or identity or citizenship .

As it stands now, to take a simple example
A NI born footballer qualifies to play for the IFA team only due to their British nationality.
the same footballer qualifies to play for the FAI only  due to their Irish nationality.

The part in this dual nationality issue that puzzles me is that Emma DeSouza  was correctly  recognised as being a British national because she did not go through the process of giving up her British nationality,  however the Home Office did not recognise her as being a British citizen because she did not have a British passport.
They said she had to apply for a passport in order to be regarded as a British citizen.

But the the 1981  British Nationality Act clearly states "A person born in the United Kingdom or in a qualifying territory shall be a British citizen"
It says nothing about having to have a British passport in order to be recognised as a citizen by the Home Office..

So basically, the thing in the GFA about being in the north and being an Irish citizen, is absolutely meaningless?
Of course that part of the GFA has meaning, it is part of a international treaty, it's in the South's constitution, as good as law in Britian and is a foundation to move forward not backwards (the DUP's only gear).

However, the GFA did not give you that right to be an Irish national, you already had that automatic right at birth before the GFA.
And automaticaly being a British national at birth has not changed with the GFA. That's not a choice.
On behalf of her husband, Emma could only apply as a Brit national and present a brit passport to the Home Office. That's the bit that has the DUP jumping up and down about the superiority of the imposed british nationality over the Irish one and  are also saying they never recognised the GFA in the first place ;D
Apparantly, anything that assumes superiority for NI britishness, sends the DUP into a frenzy of good ol' fashioned Orange Order aparthiedism.
Another chapter is being written into the wierd and deranged world of the DUP.

But Emma could have applied as an Irish only national if she gave up her british nationality.
In my unofficial opinion, as it stands now should a Nordie give up their british nationality, their Irish only nationality would just be as equal as a british one.
I surmise that the GFA supports that.
As I have often expressed here, the Nordie who want to be identified as Irish only should give up their British nationality (and it should not cost anything).
Either that or have some change made to the Brit nationality act vis vis nordies who want the right to only use their irish nationality in all aspects of existance in the Empire.


sid waddell

Sinn Fein can get lost. Fake progessivism in the South, pandering to the theocratic dinosaurs up North. Another Fianna Fail is what they are.

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1267733086239948803

Sinn Féin has come out against legalising abortion in cases of non-fatal foetal abnormalities in Northern Ireland.

RedHand88

Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Sinn Fein can get lost. Fake progessivism in the South, pandering to the theocratic dinosaurs up North. Another Fianna Fail is what they are.

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1267733086239948803

Sinn Féin has come out against legalising abortion in cases of non-fatal foetal abnormalities in Northern Ireland.

Just right, too.

trailer

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 02, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Sinn Fein can get lost. Fake progessivism in the South, pandering to the theocratic dinosaurs up North. Another Fianna Fail is what they are.

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1267733086239948803

Sinn Féin has come out against legalising abortion in cases of non-fatal foetal abnormalities in Northern Ireland.

Just right, too.

How could you support that legislation? Like if a child has brown eyes can it be aborted? No thumb on one hand? Sticky out ears? What's the threshold?

RedHand88

Quote from: trailer on June 02, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 02, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Sinn Fein can get lost. Fake progessivism in the South, pandering to the theocratic dinosaurs up North. Another Fianna Fail is what they are.

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1267733086239948803

Sinn Féin has come out against legalising abortion in cases of non-fatal foetal abnormalities in Northern Ireland.

Just right, too.

How could you support that legislation? Like if a child has brown eyes can it be aborted? No thumb on one hand? Sticky out ears? What's the threshold?

You have misinterpreted me. I said it's just right they are supporting changing it from the free for all that was imposed by Westminster.
I would go for much much stricter than that even, but the amendment is better than nothing

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 02, 2020, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 02, 2020, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 02, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 02, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Sinn Fein can get lost. Fake progessivism in the South, pandering to the theocratic dinosaurs up North. Another Fianna Fail is what they are.

https://twitter.com/ellenmcoyne/status/1267733086239948803

Sinn Féin has come out against legalising abortion in cases of non-fatal foetal abnormalities in Northern Ireland.

Just right, too.

How could you support that legislation? Like if a child has brown eyes can it be aborted? No thumb on one hand? Sticky out ears? What's the threshold?

You have misinterpreted me. I said it's just right they are supporting changing it from the free for all that was imposed by Westminster.
I would go for much much stricter than that even, but the amendment is better than nothing

Sinn Féin are all over the shop on this. They don't care about unborn or anyone else. Just votes

Sportacus

Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about. 

RedHand88

Quote from: Sportacus on June 10, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about.

Whats he on about. Sure every country in the western world was in lockdown.

Taylor

Quote from: Sportacus on June 10, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about.

Jesus.

Better to keep quiet sometimes

johnnycool

Quote from: Taylor on June 10, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on June 10, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about.

Jesus.

Better to keep quiet sometimes

Not quite sure what's he's implying by that.

It wouldn't have mattered if there had been an infinite number of ventilators and ICU bed's people would have died from catching it and the only way to prevent them from catching it is lockdown and social distancing.

Lest said the better at times.

Snapchap

Quote from: RedHand88 on June 10, 2020, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on June 10, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about.

Whats he on about. Sure every country in the western world was in lockdown.

Sweden wasn't. Their deaths stand at around 4,500 and their GDP grew by 0.4%.

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Sportacus on June 10, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Conor Murphy - "The reason we had to go into lockdown, and people should understand this, is because the health service has been under-resourced through austerity cuts over many years" - like what is that even about.

Lol. His party contributed to it with 3 years procurement cuts at Stormont. The man is a tube