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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #120 on: April 21, 2017, 12:58:09 PM »
A lot of people here obviously have not actually paid any attention to the personal performances of either corbyn or may. May is horrific unless reading an auto cue or prepared mantra. Corbyn is no more than a decent off the cuff orator but he is light years ahead of may.

PMQs are an embarrassment. Corbyn consistently catches may out and asks questions she cannot answer. The fact that she reverts to scripted sound bites and never answers questions (literally) when this happens seems to entirely satisfy political commentary and journalism.

There is a very definite state of affairs here that the notion that Corbyn and a political approach that priorities societal values is unpalatable to the masses or unelectable. I firmly believe the masses have consumed this narrative while without analysis as it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The question is whether people will follow the media mantra at the polling stations as they have done 99% of the time or if they vote their minds as with Brexit and as Americans did with Trump. In both of those instances the media direction was way off and accompanying polls laughably out.

It never ceases to amaze me how working class brits can vote for Tory workhouse masters en masse when they are scared (usually by a succinct media campaign). The tories are parasites with middle and executive class interests at heart. This incarnation is particularly unscrupulous and I expect ruthless when the time comes. Their policy u turns since May took over have been staggering and have gone largely unquestioned. Their best people are not even in the cabinet. Ffs look at the foreign office, treasury, home office, brexit dept. It's laughable. May herself was a horrendous Home Secretary, who many believe was stayed from execution from government by the brexit result.

British politics and particularly British political journalism is a shambles.

Nail on head.

The mainstream English media will try and control the narrative of the election and the power of Newscorps and Murdoch media outlets cannot be underestimated in the UK. Their own self interests are best served with the Tories in charge and their editorial content reflects this fact. They have already tried to create an image of May as a strong leader in the mould of Thatcher when in reality the only commonality is the fact that she is a woman. The Tories and May in particular have flip flopped in the manner of someone who is making it up as they go along. 

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« Reply #121 on: April 21, 2017, 01:45:08 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
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« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2017, 01:49:28 PM »
Corbyn has to convince the floating voters in the middle that Labour will be better for them. The Tory economic record is atrocious.  This is why May's pitch is emotional.

Corbyn needs to convince quite a lot of Labour voters I would say too, which is why they haven't a hope.

Corbyn needs to convince his Labour parliamentary colleagues but he seems to be fine with grass roots labour members who keep voting him in.
Whether that grass routes support translates to the general public is another matter and yes the Media have already decided he's a dead duck especially the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg.
Corbyn received c. 250k votes in the leadership election and Labour received c. 9 million votes in the last GE so there is a gulf between paid up members, many of whom will be hardline "Reds" and the general Labour voting public. Being a nice man with solid principles just isn't enough.

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« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2017, 01:54:44 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs she showed last night on Prime Time
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« Reply #124 on: April 21, 2017, 01:58:55 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs she showed last night on Prime Time

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« Reply #125 on: April 21, 2017, 02:00:16 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs she showed last night on Prime Time

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« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2017, 02:00:58 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs she showed last night on Prime Time

rule 1 please

She's old enough to be your Ma Milltown!!!!

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« Reply #127 on: April 21, 2017, 02:25:47 PM »
Corbyn has to convince the floating voters in the middle that Labour will be better for them. The Tory economic record is atrocious.  This is why May's pitch is emotional.

Corbyn needs to convince quite a lot of Labour voters I would say too, which is why they haven't a hope.

Corbyn needs to convince his Labour parliamentary colleagues but he seems to be fine with grass roots labour members who keep voting him in.
Whether that grass routes support translates to the general public is another matter and yes the Media have already decided he's a dead duck especially the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg.
Corbyn received c. 250k votes in the leadership election and Labour received c. 9 million votes in the last GE so there is a gulf between paid up members, many of whom will be hardline "Reds" and the general Labour voting public. Being a nice man with solid principles just isn't enough.

It's a start and it's more than Mr Burns in a dress has going for her

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2017, 03:32:09 PM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs she showed last night on Prime Time

rule 1 please

She's old enough to be your Ma Milltown!!!!

She has so many kids, she could be.
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2017, 05:26:44 PM »

   https://www.ft.com/content/d8bbdb92-2616-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16

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Tory officials say that Sir Lynton and his campaign colleagues discussed on Thursday a blog by Nate Silver, the US elections statistician, who said that UK polls were “terrible” and that the UK snap election was “riskier than it seems”.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 04:42:34 AM by seafoid »
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« Reply #130 on: April 22, 2017, 04:35:54 AM »
So is it the case that when you join a certain media organisation or all being the case it seems lately, that you have to toe the line in terms of your views and questioning of people? Seems a disater area if you are wanting to become a serious journalist only to be told to read the autocue and foolw these lines of thought......

Which Journo's have bucked the trend on these matters? Jon Snow?
I wouldn't mind seeing Miriam O Callaghan buck with the legs
she showed last night on Prime Time

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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #131 on: April 22, 2017, 09:24:58 PM »
Tories heading for a landslide according to the latest poll
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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #132 on: April 22, 2017, 11:40:54 PM »
if at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2017, 08:34:14 AM »
This poll doesn't seem quite as one sided
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4436044/Tory-lead-slashed-half-tax-U-turn.html
They have to raise taxes. Lower taxes and smaller Government are Tory articles of faith. Most Tory voters have no idea how awful the numbers are.
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« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2017, 08:43:24 AM »
I see their methodology being questioned for mixing data of two separate polls, wouldn't be like the Daily Mail to push a Rothermere agenda (anti tax rise) / try and fire a shot across May's bow in case she gets too uppity.