Stormont Assembly Elections 2017

Started by give her dixie, January 13, 2017, 11:42:52 AM

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imtommygunn

Quote from: Denn Forever on June 10, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
With the DUP in a posiition of power in Westminster, is the assembly over?

Can't see a way forward at all now but i guess they will have to try.

Owen Brannigan

The results of the GE with its surge in the DUP vote opening the gap with SF vote will put pressure on SF to get a resolution with the DUP which does not involve another Assembly election.  On the basis of last week's results, DUP would return to a position of dominance in the Assembly rather than the near parity of the last Assembly election. 

T Fearon

Ironic that the Tories embrace the DUP but no major Freestate party would touch Sinn Fein (the official representatives of Northern nationalism) with a barge pole in terms of allowing them into a coalition government.

Yet many deluded people still irrationally seek Irish unity

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

armaghniac

The DUP economic policies are not only about taking money off people who work and giving it to people who don't.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Avondhu star

#1430
The Dup are in the driving seat and are turning up the heat already
As part of the arrangement between the Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team (****) they have Brokenshire  saying no Assembly after June 29. That's putting it up to Mascara Michelle
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

yellowcard

Quote from: Avondhu star on June 11, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
The Dup are in the driving seat and are turning up the heat already
As part of the arrangement between the Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team (****) they have Brokenshire  saying no Assembly after June 29. That's putting it up to Mascara Michelle

Wouldn't be too sure this deal will still go through. Electorally it has the potential to do the Tories a lot of damage, is irresponsible at best and it's playing Russian Roulette with the GFA.

Avondhu star

Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2017, 12:08:42 AM
Quote from: Avondhu star on June 11, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
The Dup are in the driving seat and are turning up the heat already
As part of the arrangement between the Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team (****) they have Brokenshire  saying no Assembly after June 29. That's putting it up to Mascara Michelle

Wouldn't be too sure this deal will still go through. Electorally it has the potential to do the Tories a lot of damage, is irresponsible at best and it's playing Russian Roulette with the GFA.
Wishful thinking.  The agreement will hold long enough for Corbyns mask to slip.
It has weakened SF and its approach to the Assembly as the DUP will just say NO No NO to any Assembly arrangements with which they disagree
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Owen Brannigan

#1433
Adams is preparing the path for the return to the executive by claiming that 'stormont is strategically the way to a united Ireland. 

As Alex Kane has stated that SF will quickly return to the executive to act as a bulwark against the DUP-Tory government.

Better for SF to get back to Stormont in fear of a DUP-Tory return to direct rule with the DUP bringing home the bacon on a continuous basis with every important vote in the UK parliament.

Adams has played a foolish game in playing down the possible achievement of the DUP in making a deal with the Tories as they will undoubtedly bring funding to NI in return which will reduce austerity and hold up benefit cuts.  In addition, it looks like the DUP will deliver the softest border possible.

"We don't believe that any deal between the DUP here and the English Tories will be good for the people here."
Gerry Adams - Stormont 12-6-2017

Jim_Murphy_74

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
As Alex Kane has stated that SF will quickly return to the executive to act as a bulwark against the DUP-Tory government.

Kane was on Newstalk this morning.  He pointed out that if DUP stay away from contentious stuff like parades, legacy, culture, gay rights (which no government is going to legislate for anyhow) and keep to cold cash they can do very well here.  Government ain't going to be around for ever so longing for longer term stuff is foolish.  Getting a bigger capital budget, health budget and social welfare budget can be seen to be working for "all of the people of Northern Ireland" and then push the Shinners to come back to Assembly to avoid this cash pot going to waste.  The Shinners will look bad if they don't come to an agreement.  Then once Assembly is up and running they can keep it local when it comes to rubbing themuns faces in it.

/Jim.

The Trap

When you see the 10 DUPers and 7 SFers in photo opportunities in London you realise how fecked we are........would they have two brains between the lot of them?

lenny

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 13, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
As Alex Kane has stated that SF will quickly return to the executive to act as a bulwark against the DUP-Tory government.

Kane was on Newstalk this morning.  He pointed out that if DUP stay away from contentious stuff like parades, legacy, culture, gay rights (which no government is going to legislate for anyhow) and keep to cold cash they can do very well here.  Government ain't going to be around for ever so longing for longer term stuff is foolish.  Getting a bigger capital budget, health budget and social welfare budget can be seen to be working for "all of the people of Northern Ireland" and then push the Shinners to come back to Assembly to avoid this cash pot going to waste.  The Shinners will look bad if they don't come to an agreement.  Then once Assembly is up and running they can keep it local when it comes to rubbing themuns faces in it.

/Jim.

The tories have all the power in this "coalition ". The bottom line is the dup will vote for anything the tories want just to make sure there isn't another election where jeremy corbyn could become pm. That is their nightmare scenario and they will do anything to avoid that which the tories know all too well. The tory coalition with the lib dems saw the lib dems screwed over at every opportunity and they have suffered badly since.

Avondhu star

Quote from: The Trap on June 13, 2017, 06:11:07 PM
When you see the 10 DUPers and 7 SFers in photo opportunities in London you realise how fecked we are........would they have two brains between the lot of them?
What were SF doing there anyway excepting registering for expenses? They might as well claim what they can because unless they agree with what Arlene wants they wont be getting any cheques from the Assembly. The general election result has scuppered their bully boying tactics
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Jim_Murphy_74

Quote from: lenny on June 13, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 13, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
As Alex Kane has stated that SF will quickly return to the executive to act as a bulwark against the DUP-Tory government.

Kane was on Newstalk this morning.  He pointed out that if DUP stay away from contentious stuff like parades, legacy, culture, gay rights (which no government is going to legislate for anyhow) and keep to cold cash they can do very well here.  Government ain't going to be around for ever so longing for longer term stuff is foolish.  Getting a bigger capital budget, health budget and social welfare budget can be seen to be working for "all of the people of Northern Ireland" and then push the Shinners to come back to Assembly to avoid this cash pot going to waste.  The Shinners will look bad if they don't come to an agreement.  Then once Assembly is up and running they can keep it local when it comes to rubbing themuns faces in it.

/Jim.

The tories have all the power in this "coalition ". The bottom line is the dup will vote for anything the tories want just to make sure there isn't another election where jeremy corbyn could become pm. That is their nightmare scenario and they will do anything to avoid that which the tories know all too well. The tory coalition with the lib dems saw the lib dems screwed over at every opportunity and they have suffered badly since.

I thought it was a confidence and supply arrangement, not a coalition. A good choice.  First confidence will be approving Week's Speech.  First chance to lookp for cash. DUP might not like Cobryn but his biggest likely influence on Northern Ireland would be block grant, something I'd say he would increase if anything. 

/Jim.

imtommygunn

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on June 13, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 13, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
As Alex Kane has stated that SF will quickly return to the executive to act as a bulwark against the DUP-Tory government.

Kane was on Newstalk this morning.  He pointed out that if DUP stay away from contentious stuff like parades, legacy, culture, gay rights (which no government is going to legislate for anyhow) and keep to cold cash they can do very well here.  Government ain't going to be around for ever so longing for longer term stuff is foolish.  Getting a bigger capital budget, health budget and social welfare budget can be seen to be working for "all of the people of Northern Ireland" and then push the Shinners to come back to Assembly to avoid this cash pot going to waste.  The Shinners will look bad if they don't come to an agreement.  Then once Assembly is up and running they can keep it local when it comes to rubbing themuns faces in it.

/Jim.

There is the flip side where if they focus on parades and legacy issues and the tories let them away with it then they could bring the troubles back.

I doubt it will happen but they are not people you can count on.