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Re: Martin Mc Guinness Passes Away at 66
« Reply #450 on: April 01, 2017, 10:55:15 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 

It will never happen

Quite simply no.  When the DUP won't even admit that the Unionist majority discriminated against Catholics it's pretty unlikely they'll come clean about their hand in glove relationship with Loyalist paramilitaries which continues to this day.

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« Reply #451 on: April 01, 2017, 11:00:14 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 

It will never happen

Quite simply no.  When the DUP won't even admit that the Unionist majority discriminated against Catholics it's pretty unlikely they'll come clean about their hand in glove relationship with Loyalist paramilitaries which continues to this day.

SF no interest either
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« Reply #452 on: April 02, 2017, 12:33:36 AM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #453 on: April 02, 2017, 11:50:07 AM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)


It will never happen because SF will never tolerate a truth commission where its members will be expected to come forward to take ownership for their actions even when if an amnesty is offered.

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« Reply #454 on: April 02, 2017, 12:57:24 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)


It will never happen because SF will never tolerate a truth commission where its members will be expected to come forward to take ownership for their actions even when if an amnesty is offered.

I think there are secrets that many groups would like to keep secret for a generation or two. Pat Finucane being only one example. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is the way of it. Let the secrets die off with the protagonists. When the government's open the files in 50 years or so who will care?

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« Reply #455 on: April 02, 2017, 01:05:56 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)


It will never happen because SF will never tolerate a truth commission where its members will be expected to come forward to take ownership for their actions even when if an amnesty is offered.

I think there are secrets that many groups would like to keep secret for a generation or two. Pat Finucane being only one example. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is the way of it. Let the secrets die off with the protagonists. When the government's open the files in 50 years or so who will care?


In this country?

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« Reply #456 on: April 02, 2017, 10:46:04 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)


It will never happen because SF will never tolerate a truth commission where its members will be expected to come forward to take ownership for their actions even when if an amnesty is offered.

I think there are secrets that many groups would like to keep secret for a generation or two. Pat Finucane being only one example. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is the way of it. Let the secrets die off with the protagonists. When the government's open the files in 50 years or so who will care?


In this country?
Sure the files in Kew from 1916 to 1921 are still restricted
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« Reply #457 on: April 02, 2017, 10:52:45 PM »
The only thing that has any hope of working would be some form of truth and reconciliation forum like they had in SA. Anyrhing else i.e. trying to exclusively blame one group or another wont work. Many groups had a hand in the '  troubles '  e.g. both governments,  some political parties,  paramilitary groups and others.
                     By the logic of McGarry Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael should also apologise for the actions of the IRA during the war of independence or were their actions justified(there were plenty of atrocities during this conflict as well)?
                 
                     

It will never happen

Just like........

No decommissioning
Smash Stormont
No to meeting the Queen

  ::) ::) ::)


It will never happen because SF will never tolerate a truth commission where its members will be expected to come forward to take ownership for their actions even when if an amnesty is offered.

I think there are secrets that many groups would like to keep secret for a generation or two. Pat Finucane being only one example. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is the way of it. Let the secrets die off with the protagonists. When the government's open the files in 50 years or so who will care?


In this country?

I suppose you're right, its unlikely that most of the illegal activities carried out on and behalf of the British state will ever be revealed. Too many high level political players would be implicated.

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« Reply #458 on: April 20, 2017, 11:31:42 AM »
I will repeat, read James Kelly's Bonfires on the Hillsides.

Thanks for the recommendation Apples. Read this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Sadly Westminsters 'keep the black north at arms length' approach is back in fashion again as they've bigger fish to fry with Europe.
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« Reply #459 on: April 20, 2017, 04:53:23 PM »
I will repeat, read James Kelly's Bonfires on the Hillsides.

Thanks for the recommendation Apples. Read this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Sadly Westminsters 'keep the black north at arms length' approach is back in fashion again as they've bigger fish to fry with Europe.
Glad you enjoyed it, must read it again myself.

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« Reply #460 on: April 20, 2017, 06:49:37 PM »
I will repeat, read James Kelly's Bonfires on the Hillsides.

Thanks for the recommendation Apples. Read this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Sadly Westminsters 'keep the black north at arms length' approach is back in fashion again as they've bigger fish to fry with Europe.
Glad you enjoyed it, must read it again myself.
What year was this published? I remember going to get my granny a copy at a signing in Donegall St. by James Kelly.

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« Reply #461 on: April 20, 2017, 06:51:50 PM »
What year was this published? I remember going to get my granny a copy at a signing in Donegall St. by James Kelly.

1995 Tony
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« Reply #463 on: April 21, 2017, 12:00:14 AM »
I paid less than half that for my 2nd hand copy off Amazon a few weeks ago
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« Reply #464 on: April 21, 2017, 12:17:26 AM »
I paid less than half that for my 2nd hand copy off Amazon a few weeks ago

Apparently the secondhand market is quite fluid and prices are fluctuating greatly.  In the last few weeks the Lost Lives: The Stories of the Men, Women and Children Who Died as a Result of the Northern Ireland Troubles has rocketed to £150 secondhand.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Lives-Children-Northern-Troubles/dp/184018504X