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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #7095 on: June 18, 2018, 12:53:18 PM »
AZ or Dinny, can you explain whatís happening underage with Ireland?
Beat Japan, just about to stay in the top level of the world U-20 comp. everything you hear about Leinster talks about the conveyor belt of talent. These donít seem compatible


Would be interested in Dinny's answer. It was weird - we almost beat the AB's in the first game and then could have won all other our games but didn't. Thankfully we saved ourselves by beating Japan but my gut feeling (based on very little I admit) is that we aren't probably as bad as the results might indicate.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #7096 on: June 18, 2018, 01:56:22 PM »
AZ or Dinny, can you explain whatís happening underage with Ireland?
Beat Japan, just about to stay in the top level of the world U-20 comp. everything you hear about Leinster talks about the conveyor belt of talent. These donít seem compatible


Would be interested in Dinny's answer. It was weird - we almost beat the AB's in the first game and then could have won all other our games but didn't. Thankfully we saved ourselves by beating Japan but my gut feeling (based on very little I admit) is that we aren't probably as bad as the results might indicate.
Bad tournament rather than bad team in my view. As you said, we could have won every game, yet could also have lost to Japan! Definitely questions to be answered though regarding whether there was something amiss in terms of management, preparation, focus, etc. Somebody somewhere will get the blame I'm sure!

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« Reply #7097 on: June 18, 2018, 02:09:59 PM »
Open to correction but in my opinion we tend to struggle at this tournament (bar the year we had Ryan, Stockdale, Porter etc.) due to the physicality and intense nature of regular games. Injuries and squad size really take their toll and our 2nd and 3rd choice in key positions isnt of the standard to that of opposition. Our sides tend to be a lot smaller and pitted in an extremely tough group - France (winners) and S.A (3rd place) we struggled - even though we could have beat them! Coupled with the fact it was arguably the best underage side Georgia have produced.

I'm not trying to make excuses for a disappointing tournament but the end goal is to produce professional players and we'll be fine in that department. Like an exceptional minor GAA side and an average one, you tend to get 2-3 seniors max!

This article on England tells you winning it isnt the be all and end all.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/englands-2016-u20-world-cup-winning-side-now/

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #7098 on: June 18, 2018, 02:32:16 PM »
8/13 to beat Australia.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #7099 on: June 18, 2018, 03:07:28 PM »
Open to correction but in my opinion we tend to struggle at this tournament (bar the year we had Ryan, Stockdale, Porter etc.) due to the physicality and intense nature of regular games. Injuries and squad size really take their toll and our 2nd and 3rd choice in key positions isnt of the standard to that of opposition. Our sides tend to be a lot smaller and pitted in an extremely tough group - France (winners) and S.A (3rd place) we struggled - even though we could have beat them! Coupled with the fact it was arguably the best underage side Georgia have produced.

I'm not trying to make excuses for a disappointing tournament but the end goal is to produce professional players and we'll be fine in that department. Like an exceptional minor GAA side and an average one, you tend to get 2-3 seniors max!

This article on England tells you winning it isnt the be all and end all.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/englands-2016-u20-world-cup-winning-side-now/

It's very much about development but 2 of the best 3 sides this year Fra and SA were in Ireland's group and we had them in the first two games and we went toe toe with them. After that physicality, those 2 were big sides, lost confidence, lack of squad depth takes it toil. Ireland dominated possession and territory against Georgia, couldn't take their opportunities though. Georgia rode their luck and took their chances. Scotland though was a poor performance and that was the one that reflects poorly on the group as a whole. Noel Mc though has had a poor year, he will learn from it.
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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #7100 on: June 18, 2018, 04:44:16 PM »
Open to correction but in my opinion we tend to struggle at this tournament (bar the year we had Ryan, Stockdale, Porter etc.) due to the physicality and intense nature of regular games. Injuries and squad size really take their toll and our 2nd and 3rd choice in key positions isnt of the standard to that of opposition. Our sides tend to be a lot smaller and pitted in an extremely tough group - France (winners) and S.A (3rd place) we struggled - even though we could have beat them! Coupled with the fact it was arguably the best underage side Georgia have produced.

I'm not trying to make excuses for a disappointing tournament but the end goal is to produce professional players and we'll be fine in that department. Like an exceptional minor GAA side and an average one, you tend to get 2-3 seniors max!

This article on England tells you winning it isnt the be all and end all.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/englands-2016-u20-world-cup-winning-side-now/
4 of them held back by injuries
England had 18 or something on the injury list at the start of the 6N
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