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Title: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 08:14:53 PM
Right - thought about putting this one in at the start of this season and then the notion went off me after a disastrous run! Was then encouraged to give it another rattle when someone put the thread up about which soccer team you supported/followed, and Leeds appeared to be joint third behind Liverpool and Manure. So there's a few other fools out there like Billys Boots and myself!

There used to be a show on Sky Sports called 'Hold the Back Page', in which three soccer journalists would sit with chairman Brian Woolnough, around a small table in a darkened room, and discuss in detail all the football issues of the day. It has been replaced in recent years by Jimmy Hill's Football Supplement.

Back in August/September 2001, Paddy Barclay of the Guardian (I think) stated on Hold the Back Page that Leeds were the next great thing. At the tail end of the preceding season, they had lost a Champions League Semi-Final to Valencia, with a young and ever increasing squad. Barclay's prediction looked about right as Leeds approached Christmas 2001 first in the Premiership. Indeed, if the results for the Calendar year of 2001 had been rattled up for every team, Leeds would have finished top by twelve clear points!

Early in the New Year of 2002, Leeds were away in the 3rd round of the FA Cup to Cardiff City, and despite taking the lead, lost two one. It was to be the start of a long downward spiral that continues to this day, with Leeds on the verge of a visit outside the top two leagues for the first time in their history!

After that Cup defeat, Leeds fell away badly in the league and missed out on the lucrative Champions League. The writing was now on the wall, as this Champions League qualification was essential to pay the huge debts. The following season they just stayed up by winning the second last game of the season away to Arsenal, but all the squad continued to be sold off, much of it for a pittance, and relegation followed the season after.

The first season in the Championship was mid table safety under a new manager, Kevin Blackwell, who had started the season with one professional player on the staff - Gary Kelly! The following season, last year, saw a push for promotion that resulted in a play off place and a heavy defeat to Watford in the play off final. This year the wheels have come off totally. Blackwell has got the sack and been replaced by Dennis Wise and Gus Poyet. That legend  ::) Ken Bates has come in, bought the Club and invested sweet FA - the impression I get is that he wants to get another pay off like Chelsea, as there is no doubt there is great potential with Leeds, i.e. Leeds is the biggest city in the UK with only one football team.

Players are coming and going at an unbelievable rate. Leeds are about to acquire a new keeper who will be their fourth of the season but many of the players brought in are patently not good enough and as a consequence results continue to be dire. Throughout all of this, the family china continues to be sold off for a pittance,; witness Kilgallon's sale to Sheffield United for little over a million. It has reached the stage now where the assistant manager, Gus Poyet, looks like he might be in line for a run!  >:(

This season was always going to be very difficult. This is the last season that Leeds continue to pay the wages (part of) of Robbie Keane and Robbie Fowler. However it coincided with the first season outside the Premiership without the parachute payments. Still and all, I could not see the season that is panning out, and for the first time I believe that they will probably go down, as they are currently six points off safety (effectively seven when goal difference is considered). The situation seems hopeless - new players are required and they need to get to know each other - unfortunately there is no time, and still no sign of replacements for problem positions such as centre half!

The future? Well I would be a bit more optimistic. If Leeds do go down, I feel they will have reached such a low that someone somewhere will decide enough is enough and hopefully Bates will be bought out by people prepared to invest in the squad. There is huge potential within Leeds for those looking to speculate and I would hope that that might happen. Unfortunately though, it is likely that Leeds will need to reach a new low before that happens!! 

Any other Leeds fans out there with a view?  ;D   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: PadraicHenryPearse on January 25, 2007, 08:22:50 PM
i'm a notts county fan, see you down here soon.  ;) :)

if you want a real sob story look at our recent past. my old assistant manager is a Leeds fan, still get the odd email from him and he believe's they are down this year aswell and really fears for the club getting back up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2007, 08:54:20 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on January 25, 2007, 09:15:02 PM
"WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM, WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM!!!"

Only jokin' tis a shame the way they have fallen so far. Clubs seem to be able to take the pish with Leeds though...if Kilgannon was sold 3/4 years ago...they'd have got more money!

Do they own Elland Rd??
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:50:26 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 09:52:42 PM
"WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM, WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM!!!"

Only jokin' tis a shame the way they have fallen so far. Clubs seem to be able to take the pish with Leeds though...if Kilgannon was sold 3/4 years ago...they'd have got more money!

Do they own Elland Rd??

No - it was sold like everything else!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
I thought the figure was closer to 12 and included among other Stephen McPhail
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 10:09:22 PM
A few things Rufus (for some reason I always had a soft spot for Leeds - I remember being bitterly disappointed when, in 1987, they lost the FA semi final as a 2nd div team to Coventry 3-2 AET)

1. If Leeds had qualified for the CL that season they lost to Cardiff, would they still have avoided the money problems?
2. Are you annoyed that Keane & co are still being paid by Leeds? Could they help Leeds out in this respect or is it down to the clubs they're playing with now?

1. Good question ONeill, the answer to which we will probably never know. The spending really was high wire stuff without a safety net. They finished fourth that year (and only the top three qualified), but it would have meant entering again at the qualifier stage if they had finished third. If memory serves me well, they needed to get to at least the second stage proper (second group stage) to cover the costs, and of course do that on a regular basis. Ridsdale appears to have had absolute blind faith that this would happen - which probably led to the phrase 'living the dream'.
2. Very much so - but not with the two Robbies - more with the muppets that allowed such a situation to happen. I'd say the two Robbies don't like to see the state that Leeds are in, but Leeds were desperate to sell to get any money. City and Spurs were only wiling to offer something like half the wages. The two Robbies were not keen to take a drop of 20/30k a week. Leeds were therefore that desperate that the only way out was to agree to keep paying the difference until the end of the contract. By the way, I'm not sure if these were the only two this happened to.
I thought the figure was closer to 12 and included among other Stephen McPhail

You're probably right SS - I do know that the two Robbies were the most high profile! Eirik Bakke as an example didn't want to leave the Club this season, despite Leeds desperation to get rid. This snippet from wikipedia gives an idea of what was happening;

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Speculation continued as to Bakke's future when Eirik was left out of the Leeds United squad for the match against Sheffield Wednesday on 27 August 2006 with some in the press and supporters speculating that this was due to an imminent transfer. A Club statement was released on 29 August 2006 by Leeds United effectively stating that Eirik had played his last game in Leeds United colours [1]. Bakke however stated he would like to stay at the club [2] and still trained with the club, despite not playing, not wanting to return to playing in Norway at that point in time [3]. The problem occurred due to Eirik's £23,000 a week wages and £4,000 appearance fees[4] which were originally agreed during Ridsdale's "Living The Dream" yet the club could no longer afford to pay those type of wages in the league they were currently playing in. Leeds tried to resolve the issue attempting to meet the player half way so that Eirik could stay at the club on lesser wages but Bakke's agent stated he wanted ALL of his money[4]. The situation didn't look good for Eirik with current Leeds chairman Ken Bates already having terminated Seth Johnson's contract due to excessive wages since he has been at the club, determined to make Leeds a successful and profitable club once more.
.   >:(

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Blacksheep on January 25, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
I thought they got £130m for Rio? Best deal ever. How come that didn't bail them out? I'll never kick a man when he's down. Leeds are down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2007, 10:42:08 PM
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£130m for Rio?

Jaysus, you wouldn't get that for the city, never mind count Duckula. I think the fee was 30 mill.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 10:48:36 PM
I thought they got £130m for Rio? Best deal ever. How come that didn't bail them out? I'll never kick a man when he's down. Leeds are down.

AZ is right, and the Rio deal represented a rare piece of good business - bought for £18 million and sold for a profit of £12 million after getting a couple of very good years out of him! Unfortunately £30 million ain't much good when the debt is £100 million plus.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dodo on January 25, 2007, 10:57:09 PM
The £30m for Ferdinand is dependant on winning Premierships, FA cups and CLs. Basically £30m was the figure released to make it sound like great business.

See Gary Kelly is not the fans favourite anymore due to the revelation that he is still earning £46,000 a week.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2007, 10:57:47 PM
There are still plenty of Leeds fans about, but we tend to keep a low profile these days. The great frustration is that the team which reached the semi final of the 2001 Champions League was put together within a reasonable budget. Robbie Keane was there on loan, but was cuptied in Europe, and Ridsdale then paid well over the odds to buy him for £12m. He then bought Fowler, who was past his best and yet another striker, for a further £12m and threw in Seth Johnston for another overpriced £6m. This meant £30m in transfers and another £30m in wages, which effectively left the club bankrupt. It's difficult to get excited about the journeymen at Elland Road these days, and relegation to the old third division is a growing prospect. But, if we hang on, and the younger players start to come through again, the size of the fan base means a revival is never out of the question. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 25, 2007, 11:16:13 PM
The £30m for Ferdinand is dependant on winning Premierships, FA cups and CLs. Basically £30m was the figure released to make it sound like great business.

I don't know exactly dodo - but it wasn't a kick in the arse off it;

wikipedia

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On 22 July 2002, Ferdinand joined another Premier League club, Manchester United, on a five year deal to become the most expensive British footballer in history, the world's most expensive defender again (a title he had lost in 2001 to Lilian Thuram) and also the premier league's second most expensive player after the arrival of Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea (whose transfer price was also about £30 million but is believed that Shevchenko's price is greater). The fee included a basic element in the high twenty millions, and some conditional elements, which allowed Leeds to tell their fans that the were selling him for over thirty million. Leeds later took a single payment in place of all the contingent elements when they were desperate for cash during their financial crisis. The final book value of Ferdinand's contract in Manchester United's accounts was £31.12 million.[1] This included agents' fees of £400k, with Leeds receiving £30.72 million.

Mourne Rover wrote

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The great frustration is that the team which reached the semi final of the 2001 Champions League was put together within a reasonable budget. Robbie Keane was there on loan, but was cuptied in Europe, and Ridsdale then paid well over the odds to buy him for £12m. He then bought Fowler, who was past his best and yet another striker, for a further £12m and threw in Seth Johnston for another overpriced £6m. This meant £30m in transfers and another £30m in wages, which effectively left the club bankrupt.

100% correct MR, and you could probably throw in Duberry for £5 million on top of that. Ridsdale wanted Leeds to be like Manure witha large squad. Ferguson's penchant for rotating his four strikers at the time (Sheringham, Cole, Yorke and Solskjaer I think) was made much of and was the inspiration for Ridsdale's madness.

Legend has it that Seth Johnson and his agent went into the meeting with Ridsdale, with the agent promising something like 18k a week but stating that they would try and brass out for 20k a week, and Ridsdale's opening gambit was 28k a week, to which came the immortal reply, 'Where do I sign?'   

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2007, 11:30:49 PM
Seth Johston's agent has basically confirmed that story, but his version is that he told Johnston to say nothing during the negotiations with Ridsdale, leave the talking to him and they might end up with £15k a week if they were lucky. Ridsdale's first offer was £30k, Johnston said nothing as ordered, and the agent was speechless. Ridsdale took this as a refusal and upped the offer to £38k. They both found their voices and signed immediately.

Leeds also apparently made a £12m profit from the Champions League in 2001, so Ridsdale, believing that bigger sums would roll in every year, spent the lot on giving Gary Kelly, then the reserve right back, a six year contract at £46k per week. It does not expire until this summer, and yet you will still hear people say that Kelly deserves credit for sticking with Leeds.

Ridsdale must be the most disastrous chairman in the history of English football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: botman on January 26, 2007, 08:34:10 AM
Christ what did Ridsdale do before he took over at Leeds. Was he involved with Enron ? I think I could make a better stab at being chairman than him !

No real love for Leeds though - kinda glad that they are shit.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Guillem2 on January 26, 2007, 09:17:48 AM
The final actual price paid for Rio was £14m. The initial down payment was £8m with £5m to be paid 12 months later. The rest of the £30m figure was to be paid in installments over 5 years and depended on Manchester Utd winning the league & champions league. Leeds were in difficulties and asked Utd for the £5m figure early. United gave them £6m as final settlement.
Typical of the type of poor financial dealing carried on by Leeds at the time. Good times are just around the corner.  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 26, 2007, 09:20:14 AM
Firstly, I have took a pop at Leeds in the past and as a Man Utd supporter I feel I have to considering I know everyone of them hates me.

But they did sell us Eric and we have to be greatful, Eric Cantona remember him! :D

Seriously, I do feel for Leeds, purely as a football fan I have come to detest the practice of empty grounds in the Premiership. Teams like Blackburn getting 11,000 for a p'ship game is disgusting, theres more, Wigan, Middlesboro etc

On football terms these team have as much right as anyone to be there and their boards have to take great credit, but a Leeds team in the premiership would mean a packed house and it only helps to make it a better premiership, this also applies to Sheff Wed/Sunderland etc. Half full stadia just seems to leave a sour taste in the mouth as a football fan.

Man Utd supporters have beed quoted as being delighted about Leeds situation, but I would much rather the rivalry to actually be a rivalry were can pit ourselves against them every year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 26, 2007, 09:51:01 AM
Sorry to have missed the first few days of this.  As a Leeds fan since 1972, when people look at me like I am certifiable, I mention that Leeds (really only in the company of Ajax Amsterdam) were the side that revolutionised soccer in the late 70s/early 70s - coming from unfashionable places, with f*ck-all money, they built extraordinarily competitive sides.  While Ajax won three European Cups, Leeds trophy cabinet didn't reflect their dominance - they appeared to finish 2nd in everything for nearly 10 years, most excruciatingly (and unfairly) in the 1975 European Cup to Bayern Munich.  An eight-year sojourn in Div2 (as the Championship was then called) in the 1980s/early 90s ended with a triumphant return to the pinnacle, with Leeds winning the last Div1 title in 1992.

It seems inevitable that next year will result in a spell in League One, but it seems incredible that a city of Leeds' size can't produce a soccer club of more power - it can only be a matter of time before the club resumes its unseemly rivalry with the red hordes across the Pennines?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rossi on January 26, 2007, 03:17:26 PM
Interesting read on how club was financed from 99 and the subsequent downfall


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1160988,00.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2007, 09:51:27 PM

If anyone is interested, the Leeds v Spurs game from 2000, which finished 4-3 for us, is on ESPN (Sky channel 442) at 11pm tonight. At that stage, we had a young Irish manager, we were regularly fielding four Irish players - Gary Kelly, Ian Harte, Stephen McPhail and Alan Maybury - with Robbie Keane joining shortly and we were about to go on a charge through the Champions League. It doesn't really seem that long ago.
Title: Victory at Hull
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 31, 2007, 08:52:16 AM
Leeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull  ;D and promptly went bottom after Southend won at Birmingham!  :(

Still, Alan Thompson appears to be a bit of a class act at this level and quite an astute signing. He scored at home to West Brom and repeated the dose last night with a great free kick, having already set up the first goal!

Despite going bottom, moves that bit closer to those above - Barnsley won, but Luton and QPR appear to be on the wane!   :-*
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 31, 2007, 08:57:33 AM
Raging for use Rufus as Biringham let down my bet last night, AT Home!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 31, 2007, 08:59:25 AM
Raging for use Rufus as Biringham let down my bet last night, AT Home!

That's why they lost - you had them backed!   >:(

Anyway - pass on my congratulations to the younger brother!  ;)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 31, 2007, 09:06:38 AM
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Leeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull 

Makes up for losing at home to them in September I s'pose.  Need a few big performances in the next month tho.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rossi on January 31, 2007, 10:38:35 AM
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Leeds did the bizzo last night with a big win at Hull

Makes up for losing at home to them in September I s'pose. Need a few big performances in the next month tho.

Did they not draw 0-0 with Hull just before the christmas?Anyway may be bottom but at least 2 points closer to safety than the start of the day.The main worry for now is injuries, 2 more picked up last night, Lewis and Healy (suspected broken arm).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 31, 2007, 12:02:20 PM
I think you're right Rossi, I must have been getting mixed up with one of the endless other pitiful home losses.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on January 31, 2007, 12:43:35 PM

The main worry for now is injuries, 2 more picked up last night, Lewis and Healy (suspected broken arm).

I guess no deadline day move for Healy


I see Leeds signed a keeper this morning, Casper Ankergren from Bronby
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on January 31, 2007, 01:16:36 PM
Flo is out too for eight weeks with a broken bone in his foot.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2007, 08:15:31 PM
One step forward - two steps back!  :-[  And of course - an old boy did the damage. Huckerby was well off a regular place at Elland Road - now he's turning the knife! Was hopeful about this match and of course when Leeds went 1-0 up. Didn't last though.

Wise talking the talk after, but without Flo and Healy, goals are going to be scarce!

Just a thought - can the new keeper play up front?  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2007, 10:36:11 PM
Leeds could do worse than playing the new keeper up front, as the regular strikers have been letting us down. The big problem has been Healy, who has only managed four from play, plus three penalties, all season. He has started the vast majority of games for Leeds, against some very ordinary opposition, but does not look particularly interested. In an NI shirt, taking on some big name defenders, he scores almost every game. When he got his celebrated hattrick against Spain last year, Gerry Armstrong said he was worth £20m. Most  Leeds fans would have gladly accepted £2m, and spent it on a decent replacement, but there were no offers at all during the transfer window. Now he is injured anyway, at a crucial period for Leeds. We still have a chance of staying up, because there are so many poor teams just ahead of us, but it is going to be a tough run-in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 10, 2007, 09:57:54 PM
What do you Whites think of the Leeds player who told a Palace player of the team for today's match? Dennis Wise said the player would never play again for the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 11, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
What do you Whites think of the Leeds player who told a Palace player of the team for today's match? Dennis Wise said the player would never play again for the club.

Didn't see any names mentioned - wasn't Neil Sullivan by chance? He wasn't playing yesterday. Big big win for Leeds - QPR in 19th are only three points ahead and Leeds have a game in hand - that spare game though is away to Birmingham. Still, there's hope!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 11, 2007, 06:59:29 PM
If it was Sullivan, think that was just a handy excuse / piece of Wise propaganda to keep the fans onside.  Sullivan got cut the day Wise came in - only recalled from loan when Stack got injured and he's fit again now... not that he's done anything to prove that he is a better keeper IMO.  Still given the table, there's certainly hope despite the multiple shortcomings
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 11, 2007, 08:25:15 PM
What's the next month of games look like?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 12, 2007, 07:21:44 AM
Saturday, 17 February 
Cardiff v Leeds, 15:00
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Tuesday, 20 February
Leeds v QPR, 19:45
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Saturday, 24 February
Wolverhampton v Leeds, 15:00
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Tuesday, 27 February
Birmingham v Leeds, 19:45
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Saturday, 03 March
Leeds v Sheff Wed, 15:00
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Saturday, 10 March
Leeds v Luton, 15:00
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Tuesday, 13 March
Leicester v Leeds, 19:45
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Saturday, 17 March
Southend v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 31 March
Leeds v Preston, 15:00
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Saturday, 07 April
Leeds v Plymouth, 15:00
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Monday, 09 April
Colchester v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 14 April
Leeds v Burnley, 15:00
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Saturday, 21 April
Southampton v Leeds, 15:00
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Saturday, 28 April
Leeds v Ipswich, 15:00
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Sunday, 06 May
Derby v Leeds, 15:00

Interesting last day - will it be the day Championship / promotion or relegation is sealed
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2007, 07:56:04 PM
LUFC websites are strongly suggesting that the team was leaked by Shaun Derry, a former Palace player who has been out injured, although there are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion. When the dust settles, we will still need at least five wins, plus a couple of draws, from our final 15 games to stay up. I think that, on current form, we can just about do it, but it will be very tight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on February 12, 2007, 08:27:46 PM
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there are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion
Seems to me like an excuse made in advance. Have to say as an LU fan, I think it's hollow. A good team taht believes in itself wouldn't give a stuff about the opposition knowing its line up in advance - if they're good enough and play to their ability they will win.  If they're not good enough... well.  Botteom line is it is the team's own hands to play to their ability.  If they don't blaming a leaked teamsheet is just an excuse
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 12, 2007, 09:54:25 PM
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there are other claims that the whole affair has been blown out of all proportion
Seems to me like an excuse made in advance. Have to say as an LU fan, I think it's hollow. A good team taht believes in itself wouldn't give a stuff about the opposition knowing its line up in advance - if they're good enough and play to their ability they will win.  If they're not good enough... well.  Botteom line is it is the team's own hands to play to their ability.  If they don't blaming a leaked teamsheet is just an excuse

Yes Paddy, but the best of it is Leeds won. I was reading the Leeds forums today myself, and given what Peter Taylor has said (and Taylor would come across to me as a man of integrity) it appears to have been an innocent conversation between two ex club mates that has been blown unbelieveably out of all proportion. Taylor has indicated, despite his friendship with Wise, that he's very disappointed in the bould Dennis and told him so! 

I would suspect that Dennis has some other agenda here. Will be interesting to see whose name comes out of the hat!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 14, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
From BBC Sport

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Wise claims one of his players betrayed him by giving Palace his starting XI and, while he refused to name him, said he would never pick him again.

But Harvey told BBC Radio Leeds: "While we know it happened, we do not know which Leeds United player it was"

Jesus wept - does that mean, on the basis of what the bould Dennis was saying, that the whole squad is up for sale?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 20, 2007, 10:54:30 PM
Big opportunity missed out on tonight with a draw at home to QPR. This, following on from the Cardiff defeat when Cardiff finished with nine men, leaves things continuing to look ominous!   

Uncle Ken put the prices down for the game, and there was nearly 30k at it. At a time when support is needed, I hope the lesson is taken on board!  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 21, 2007, 09:44:12 AM
Well as newly joined member its good to see a Leeds thread. QPR last night was a huge game but draw wont do much for either. Still believe we will scrape out of relegation. 29000 at the game was great turnout. A sleeping giant we definitly are. Stick with Leeds because things will turn eventually. Football goes round in cycles of ups and downs and look at MAN CITY a few years ago..
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on February 21, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
29000 at the game was great turnout. A sleeping giant we definitly are. 

I think you's are still in the fallen Giant category
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 25, 2007, 06:05:25 PM
Leeds are in serious trouble now, I'd be thinking.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 25, 2007, 06:07:37 PM
Leeds are in serious trouble now, I'd be thinking.

You are not wrong my friend - and the old game in hand goes this week - away to Birmingham!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
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...Yeah got it!

If it's any consolation, I hope it's not true!  ::)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 04:47:11 PM
Do ye know Christchurch Goats?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 04:49:28 PM
City in NZ??  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 04:50:37 PM
A bit closer to home ...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 05:06:54 PM
You've lost me!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Sorry foreigner, it's an oul Dublin set piece whereby I tell you to go impale yourself or something similar.  Beware the wrath of gnarly oul Leeds sympathisers.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on February 27, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
I thought you were getting at something like that!

Ach it was funny! - At least they are getting a bit of attention....had to go searching for this thread!!!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 27, 2007, 10:56:55 PM
Sorry foreigner, it's an oul Dublin set piece whereby I tell you to go impale yourself or something similar.  Beware the wrath of gnarly oul Leeds sympathisers.  :P

I'm with Billy on this one!  ;D

Another loss, by the only goal tonight, and things look as bad as ever. That said, believe it or not, I see a possible escape hatch. The forthcoming fixtures up to the end are;

Saturday, 03 March 2007
Leeds v Sheff Wed, 15:00

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Saturday, 10 March 2007
Leeds v Luton, 15:00

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Tuesday, 13 March 2007
Leicester v Leeds, 19:45

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Saturday, 17 March 2007
Southend v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 31 March 2007
Leeds v Preston, 15:00

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Saturday, 07 April 2007
Leeds v Plymouth, 15:00

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Monday, 09 April 2007
Colchester v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 14 April 2007
Leeds v Burnley, 15:00

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Saturday, 21 April 2007
Southampton v Leeds, 15:00

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Saturday, 28 April 2007
Leeds v Ipswich, 15:00

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Sunday, 06 May 2007
Derby v Leeds, 13:00

Based totally on blind faith, I reckon there is no reason why Leeds can't get something from each of those games - the two games that I see Leeds as totally outsiders would be Southampton and Derby away - and Derby, despite their position, do not convince me, i.e. I can't see them going up!

The fixtures between now and Easter will tell a tale!  :-\


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 28, 2007, 09:13:56 AM
I'd have thought that they should have a good opportunity to win 3 of the next 4, but morale must be very, very low.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 05, 2007, 11:17:27 PM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Horatio Kane on March 06, 2007, 11:15:41 AM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 

Wise could always sign JP Donnelly! ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 06, 2007, 11:36:06 AM
Nicholls is a disgrace, really hope leeds stay up but losing by a single goal in the last 3 games is the form of relegation
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 06, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
There are too many disgraces in place I'm afraid - the best result may be the humiliation of relegation, a clean sweep of the numerous skeletons and start from scratch.  I'm not sure staying up with the current hierarchy is (or would be) a good result.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on March 06, 2007, 01:53:37 PM
I was over at the weekend and yet again can only marvel at the Leeds support. 26,000 turned up to watch yet another defeat. Started fairly well and we were pressuring them and then bang. Our defence went awol and they were 1-0 up with an easy headed goal which looped over stack. This seemed to really spur us on and with the fans singing their hearts out we went all out. The Wednesday keeper pulled of save after save and then bang again! Richardson (i think) was given a nice pass out to the wing. He tried to beat his man, lost the ball and Stack was chipped from 30 odd yards. Hate to say it but the goal was taken really well. Fans not happy at this stage obviously. I was behind the dugouts and several around me stood up and started shouting abuse back at Bates in the directors box behind me. Bates by the way is being sued about an article he had in the match day programme about another club director (Levi). Some wrangle about buying out the club or something. Bates put yer mans address in the programme and asked fans to write to him!! Anyway 2nd half starts Wednesday down to 10 men and we push forward big time looking for a goal and yet again bang. Classic counter attack and a 3rd well taken goal. Game over, Wednesday fans giving us dogs abuse and yet the Leeds kop end kept singing. Two late goals just made it look respectable there was no hope of ever getting anything out of this one. Our defense or the lack thereof is our major problem. You would be annoyed if you seen a kids team doing the things they were. A big clean out needed of all the dead wood and someone to invest money in new players. We just dont have them at the moment.

Having watched us there is no way that i can see us avoiding the drop. Division one football awaits for the first time in our history. An absolute disgrace that a club like this has been allowed to slide so far and my fear is that we will become another Notts Forest (remember them??) Seems a lifetime ago we were playing in a European cup semi final......
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 07, 2007, 12:24:15 AM
Even blind faith has it's limits - when, ever, did Leeds lose at home to Sheffield Wednesday?!?   :-[

And to make matters worse, that screwball Dennis Wise appears to be undermined further with each passing day. The man he installed as his captain, Kevin Nicholls, based on his attitude and commitment, has now had enough, and is looking the next flight out - to go to that top outfit - Luton Town!   >:(

I know I shouldn't say it, but can it get any lower? 

Wise could always sign JP Donnelly! ;)

Don't go there!   ;D

Billys Boots Wrote

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I'm not sure staying up with the current hierarchy is (or would be) a good result.

Have to say Bill, I've thought that from before Christmas - a fall into the old 3rd Division would make Leeds an ideal investment for someone with a lot of spare tank - of course, it could go the other way too!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Square Ball on March 10, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 12, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
Where there's life there's hope!! That was a big win over the Hatters  at the week-end. Leeds should have been out of sight before the penalty - which was the worst penalty in the history of the universe!  :)

Good to see Wise inspiring from the line, i.e. holding a ball for a Luton player at a throw in, and as he goes to take it, he throws it away! A touch of class!  ::)

Leicester away tomorrow night will be tough - Southend away next week is a monster!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on March 13, 2007, 09:11:05 AM
Fantastic result alright. I just hope it's not a flash in the pan result.... Nice to see Wise showing more interest alright. He spent the entire match against Wednesday in the dugout with Gus on the sideline trying to motivate the players.

On the boardroom side of things i see Levi had Bates in court on saturday morning before the match over his comments in the match day programme. Two lines had to be removed from his article so the Elland road staff had to get markers and cross out the two offending lines in about 10,000 programmes! Laughable if it were not so serious. How this is helping the club morale i don't know.....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 19, 2007, 08:00:33 PM
Leeds aren't going on a bad run at the minute - undefeated in three!  ;D Unfortunately it is not enough, particularly as the opposition are doing better!!

The Leicester draw wasn't a bad result, although the goal conceded was quite poor. The late equaliser at Southend was a life saver, and I didn't see the late incident where a penalty was denied - to be fair Dennis and Gus took it well!  ::)

Bottom line though - matches are now running out at a seriously alarming rate!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on March 22, 2007, 02:18:35 PM
At last a good signing, from BBC website

Wise brings in Blackburn defender 
 
Gray is on his way to join Leeds
Blackburn defender Michael Gray has returned for a second loan spell with struggling Championship side Leeds.
The 32-year-old, who spent three months at Elland Road in 2005, arrives for an initial month with a view to staying until the end of the season.

Gray has not been a regular at Ewood Park this season, making just 12 first-team appearances.

Boss Dennis Wise has also extended Jemal Johnson's loan spell from Wolves until the end of the season.




 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2007, 05:22:33 PM
David Healy still scoring I see!!   :-*

How important could that goal prove to be - last four games unbeaten, and as this morning, only two points of Burnely! Deserved to win last night I thought, although it was more down to hard work and determination rather than skill and a cutting edge!

Still, who cares?  ;)

HEALY - HEALY - HEALY!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2007, 01:15:17 PM
Another big win on Saturday, with another late goal. Could Lady Luck be starting to look kindly on Leeds? Apparently for the last twebty minutes or so Plymouth looked like the only team that would win the game! Then the winning goal itself was a bit dubious, i.e. did it cross the line or not.

First time out of the relegation zone in four months - huge match today against an in form Colchester side! Need to keep winning!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Spiritof98 on April 09, 2007, 04:53:54 PM
1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, getting beat 2-1 in injury time and QPR score late winner ooh.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 09, 2007, 05:02:59 PM
1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, getting beat 2-1 in injury time and QPR score late winner ooh.

That ain't half the story - Southend get a last minute winner at Deepdale - fifteen minutes ago we were on the pig's back - now finished with a run of results that couldn't have been much worse!   :'(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 10, 2007, 09:52:31 AM
Had that old familiar ill feeling at about 5 to 5 alright.  Jaysus.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 20, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
Leeds most recent result saw a priceless 1-0 home voctory over Burnley! From reading reports, Leeds seemed to be well on top throughout the game and were worthy victors!   ;D

That said, I have a bad feeling that it is too little too late. The remaining three fixtures are away to Southampton, home to Ipswich and away to Derby. Nine points from these three fixtures would do the bizzo, but to be honest I cannot see them getting six. The likelihood is a home win against Ipswich, but the other two games are difficult away fixtures with 1/2 points likely at best.

If the worst comes to the worst, then obvioulsy their record throughout the season has not been good enough - but I have a bad feeling that when it comes down to it, those three points thrown away at Colchester in the last eight minutes on Easter Monday will prove to be very costly!  :-[

Here's hoping for tomorrow! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2007, 01:17:40 PM
I think six points might do us and they'll have to be in the first two games because Derby will be fighting like dogs on the last day to try to get an automatic promotion place.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2007, 03:26:36 PM
This has been a largely unpredictable relegation fight from start to finish, with QPR, despite a financial crisis, finishing like a train, and Leicester, with a new owner and plenty of money to invest, falling like a stone. Leeds, remarkably enough, are the form team, with 14 pts from the last seven games. If everything goes our way, another four pts might just be enough. Leicester are two pts ahead of us with a better goal difference, but their confidence seems to be shattered and they have to go to both Barnsley and Preston before finsihing with a home game against Wolves. It is quite possible they will get nothing more than a point from their remaining fixtures, meaning that a draw at Southampton tomorrow and a win at home to Ipswich would do the job before we even go to Derby. With Hull also in big trouble, anything more than four pts from our last three games would seem to leave us in a very strong position. However, with Leeds there is always a twist.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 23, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
I'm afraid Easter Monday Part II has goosed Leeds. Another rush of late goals - Southampton's winner, Hull's equaliser at Stoke and Leicester's winner effectively means that Southend are gone and it is between Leeds and Hull.

After this Saturday, I can see Leeds being out of relegation, as Leeds should beat Ipswich at home, and Hull are unlikely to beat Cardiff at Ninian Park. That leaves it down to the wire on the last day of the season - Leeds at Derby, who are pushing for automatic promotion, and Hull at home to Plymouth, which given Plymouth's recent run, would probably be a home banker!

I believe it will take six points from six to stay up, and that is unlikley given the Derby fixture!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 24, 2007, 09:11:11 AM
I think they're gone alright.  :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 24, 2007, 09:20:49 AM
I work with one of your poor, unfortunate Leeds colleagues and he has been gradually been falling into a depsression over recent weeks!  It is hard to believe that they are where they are.

What will be interesting if they go down is what will actually happen to rebuild them.  They are currently paying wages to players at other clubs, eg Fowler.  Gary Kelly is commanding a wage that some Premiership players would not get and there is no likelihood of any of the so called "star" players staying.  If they go down I see a very serious situation for Leeds which will see them stuck down there for a long time.  Avoiding relegation may not just save the season, but may ultimately save the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 24, 2007, 10:13:10 AM
The prevailing wisdom is that Leeds is too big of a town/city to not have a big football club, and many appear to console themselves with that.  I think you're right about a long stay in obscurity - crowds are dropping, the income dropping too, and the debts are still there in abundance.  Whilst the injection of large amounts of cash might be unsustainable, from a long-term perspective, it might be the only way to artificially jog interest and momentum at the club.  But I don't see that coming.

And to cap it all, the villian of the whole story has, this morning, made a stg£90M bid for Manchester City. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 28, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
A black day for Leeds United - effectively into the third tier of English football for the first time ever. Yet again, undone by a late goal, although Hull's win at Cardiff effectively sealed Leeds' fate anyway.

He's gone a number of years now, but the shadow of Ridsdale still looms large over the Club - amere six years ago Leeds travelled to the Mestalla for a Champions League semi final second leg, which was delicately poised.

You've come a long way a baby!   :-[

 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: behind the wire on April 28, 2007, 08:27:53 PM
very sad day for leeds, never thought it would come to this. suppose we still have to keep the faith though!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: hairyhog on April 28, 2007, 09:13:11 PM
According to a report on BBC Radio 5 Live, on 28 April 2007 Ridsdale 'celebrated' Leeds United's almost certain relegation from the Championship with the chairman of Hull City, ordering champagne and saying he was "delighted" with Leeds's demise. He behaviour was described by the BBC's reporter as "out of order".

What a spineless ****!! The only silver lining from todays events may be that all the hasbeens and crap that make up that squad will get turfed out and Mr Bates.   I believe that he could have done so much better. At least theres a chance to build for the future instead of looking for a shortterm fix by bringing in over the hill players. With talk of a takeover in the coming weeks it looks like investors were banking on the super leeds getting relegated to get them on the cheap. Will any of these savings be reinvested?? Time will tell but i would fear the worst.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: paddypastit on April 28, 2007, 09:47:59 PM
Billy.
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And to cap it all, the villian of the whole story has, this morning, made a stg£90M bid for Manchester City
Ranson may have been the one that created the 'creative' means of funding the players but nobody forced the then management of administration of LUFC to actually use his product - they gambled and lost. Risdale primarilly has a lot to answer for.  Leeds as a city has no right to have its football team in any given division but it is not unreasonale to make that point that a city of its size does offer a market of scale, without like for like competition, that would be able to sustain a commercially viable Premiership club. As hairyhog notes, somebody will see value - what is it worth now? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Syd The Sailor on April 28, 2007, 09:50:54 PM
I dont think there will be too many tears shed about Leeds impending relegation. They have some of the scummiest supporters about.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 28, 2007, 10:19:55 PM
Paddypastit is right, and Ray Ranson is not the person we should be blaming for the devastating collapse at Leeds. Ranson was involved in financing the deals which took Leeds to the semi final of the Champions League in 2001, and they were more or less completed within budget. Leeds actually built a team which good enough to compete at the highest level in both the Premiership and Europe by spending less than most of their rivals. Instead of consolidating, through putting his faith in a young squad which on the brink of something special, Ridsdale as chairman went on a crazy spending spree in the second half of 2001.

At a time when the club was just about keeping its head above water, Ridsdale sanctioned the puchase of Keane (who was at Elland Road on loan, but cuptied in the Champions League run), Fowler and Seth Johnston at a combined total of £30m in transfers plus another £30 in wages. No one left to  balance the books, and Leeds were left with a forward line of Keane, Fowler, Viduka, Kewell, Smith and the injured Bridges chasing two first team spaces. It was an act of madness, and it didn't help that Johnston, who like the other newcomers was grossly overpaid, spent most of the next few years on the treatment table. The club practically went bankrupt, Ridsdale breezed out the door pointing the finger at everyone else, and today he was reportedly sipping champagne on the day Leeds effectively went down to the 3rd division. However, we will be back...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 01:27:03 AM
What difference does it make to anyone in Ireland, whether Leeds play in the 2nd Division or the 3rd Division of the English League.  Surely, the fate of our counties in the up-coming Championship is of much greater importance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 29, 2007, 03:00:16 AM
What difference does it make to anyone in Ireland, whether Leeds play in the 2nd Division or the 3rd Division of the English League.  Surely, the fate of our counties in the up-coming Championship is of much greater importance.

Personally speaking, the fate of my County in this year's Championship is indeed much more important than the fate of Leeds United. That said, the fate of my wife, kids and home is much more important this Summer than the fate of my County in this year's Championship!!!

Therefore I would ask, what actually is the point you are making?   ::)

I dont think there will be too many tears shed about Leeds impending relegation. They have some of the scummiest supporters about.

No Leeds supporter is asking for 'tears' from anyone!

Your comment is therefore irrelevant!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Onlooker on April 29, 2007, 11:36:47 PM
The point that I was making is the obsession that so many Irish people have with soccer in England.   I ca'nt imagine too many people contributing to a thread on an English Soccer Board about how Kerry or Armagh will do in this year's championship.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 30, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
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Ranson may have been the one that created the 'creative' means of funding the players but nobody forced the then management of administration of LUFC to actually use his product - they gambled and lost. Risdale primarilly has a lot to answer for.

Ridsdale may have been the presiding loo-lah (and I accept that he's to blame for the debacle, in the main), but there is still lots of culpability surrounding Ransome - the vulture circling above the morass.

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Leeds as a city has no right to have its football team in any given division but it is not unreasonale to make that point that a city of its size does offer a market of scale

I meant the latter, as opposed to the former Paddy. 35 years of 'following' the fortunes of Leeds has definitely convinced me that this part of the world isn't 'entitled' to anything it doesn't earn.
Title: Bargain to be had
Post by: passedit on April 30, 2007, 09:34:12 AM
Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

chip van owners of the world breathe a sigh of relief.
Title: Re: Bargain to be had
Post by: Ryano on April 30, 2007, 01:52:35 PM
Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

Aye heard that this morning. There are emergency meetings taking place today at Elland Road. Apparently they can save between 5 and 15 million by going into admin (don't ask me how that works). However they will be deducted 10 points next season by the FA for this so we will be on -10 in August!

Just when you think we have hit rock bottom the ground falls from under us again....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 30, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
Lads did Leeds not get to the playoffs last year? Or close to it? - I find it hard to believe that Risdale is being blamed for THIS relegation as well. Kevin Blackwell did a decent job there, he had to sell sell sell - & he apperared to get a bit of stability at the club, then they sacked him!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on April 30, 2007, 03:38:10 PM
Lads did Leeds not get to the playoffs last year? Or close to it? - I find it hard to believe that Risdale is being blamed for THIS relegation as well. Kevin Blackwell did a decent job there, he had to sell sell sell - & he apperared to get a bit of stability at the club, then they sacked him!

Although Leeds got to the play offs last year their record from January 2006 to the end of season was
Won - 7
Drew - 9
Lost - 4

that's 30 points out of a possible 60

their record from March to the end of season was

W - 2
L   - 3
D  - 7

9 pts from 36

These stats aren't that of a team in form.Blackwell did a good job in stabiling the team in 2005/06 and was given the chance to see if he could bring them any further in 2006/07 but as the early results went this wasn't to be the case and therefore his contract was terminated.

Risdale is not being blamed for relegation he is being blamed for bringing about the demise of the club and then sipping champagne over it.Risdale was directly responsible for putting the club in £100m + in debt,which resulted in any assets the club had being sold off (which included ER & TA), and also the trade off of top quality players where the club still had to pay part their wages.This left the club in a position where they couldn't afford to bring in any decent quality players and were working from month to month with loanees who were mostly journeymen.

Heading for administration this week alledgedly.

Aye heard that this morning. There are emergency meetings taking place today at Elland Road. Apparently they can save between 5 and 15 million by going into admin (don't ask me how that works). However they will be deducted 10 points next season by the FA for this so we will be on -10 in August!

Just when you think we have hit rock bottom the ground falls from under us again....

Not too sure how it works but heard that the points would be deducted in the season a club goes into administration.If this is the case and Leeds go into adminstration before the weekend the effectively they'll have gone into adimin in the 2006/07 season and therefore will be deducted the points now rather than next season, (provided they come out of admin next season).Does anyone know if this is the case or not?

 
   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Goats Do Shave on April 30, 2007, 03:56:00 PM
He lived the dream...at least he tried!  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 30, 2007, 09:30:27 PM
The point that I was making is the obsession that so many Irish people have with soccer in England.   I ca'nt imagine too many people contributing to a thread on an English Soccer Board about how Kerry or Armagh will do in this year's championship.   

Then can I respectfully ask why you were reading a thread containing the words Leeds United on a NON GAA Board?  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 03, 2007, 03:01:06 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Declan on May 03, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
Fairly peurile nonsense alright
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 03, 2007, 10:41:01 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)

Agreed Billy. Lazy journalism in the extreme, designed simply to get a rise. An article that should be in the gutter press!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on May 04, 2007, 04:05:58 PM
Administration

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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on May 04, 2007, 04:41:58 PM
Leeds are gone into Administration, deducted ten points automatically and will no finish bottom of the Championship!
Have no pity whatsoever for the club, and I don't think many people do.
It was a good call to announce this now though, at least they can start next season on an even footing and try to rebuild their name and reputation!
Wonder where the wonder that is David Healy will run off to??
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: deiseach on May 04, 2007, 04:45:06 PM
I was sitting in a UK airport the other day, and had the misfortune to read this bag of shite, in what is supposed to be a reputable newspaper.  ::)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/05/01/its_not_that_leeds_are_paranoi.html)

I'm no fan of Leeds - if the plan that fecker Ridsdale had hatched been successful, Liverpool might be the ones scratching around in the football dirt! - but that article was unbelievablely spiteful. Just because people hate Leeds doesn't mean Leeds are inherently hateful.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on May 04, 2007, 04:56:20 PM
Have no pity whatsoever for the club, and I don't think many people do.


They'll be nobody looking for pity especially from an avid watcher of Neighbours,and a supporter of the team which has the following on it's website today

04 May 2003
United were champions after Arsenal lost 3-2 at home to Leeds. Arsenal had to win, but Mark Viduka’s late, offside goal sent the Red hordes watching on TV into ecstacy.


From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6625751.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/6625751.stm)

Seems as suspicions were right all along, a Bates company to buy the club.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on May 04, 2007, 06:09:32 PM
Shotstopper you have a hint of an asshole about you!
Just a hint
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 04, 2007, 08:21:03 PM
BBC Sport Report

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KPMG revealed Leeds had debts "totalling approximately £35m, with a cash injection of approximately £10m required to continue trading"

I would suggest that statement makes a mockery of Ridsdale's attempts to wash his hands of the blame.  >:(

I am no fiscal expert. I assume administration means the Club being sold off and existing creditors getting a fraction of what they are owed? If so, how do the new owners stand vis-a-vis borrowing much needed loot to inject into the Club from now on?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 01, 2007, 05:20:53 PM
Time to drag this one to the top of page 1 and get the bandwagon up and running again!!   ;D

I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

Touch wood, Leeds will be somewhere like 10-12 points off the top of the division when they hit zero points, and with a good goal difference, that may effectively be a point closer again. The hope then would be that at that stage that Leeds would only be 6-8 points off the play offs, whilst on a bit of a roll. Sunderland's experience last year show that anything is possible.

I know I shouldn't say it - but things are beginning to look up!!   :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on September 01, 2007, 10:37:20 PM

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I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

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I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record.
Only team with 100% record and less than zero points.

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What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend
CHUCKLE CHUCKLE - OH HOW THE MIGHTY (SUPER) HAVE FALLEN!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 01, 2007, 11:52:39 PM

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I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record. What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend.

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I believe that Super Leeds are now the only team in the top four divisions with a 100% record.
Only team with 100% record and less than zero points.

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What makes it better is that those four victories have accounted for teams that I would have feared, i.e. Forest and fellow relegation teams (from last year) Luton and Southend
CHUCKLE CHUCKLE - OH HOW THE MIGHTY (SUPER) HAVE FALLEN!!


Indeed - you were able to check out the title of the thread prior to posting I assume - or were you just that clever all by youself?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on September 02, 2007, 02:33:00 AM
Rufus you have me pulling for a sawker team again and I  am watching out for leed's results. I hope they steer clear of the bottom of the table and mount a charge for promotion but I am sure that is a very long shot.

Anyway if nothing else I hope they find an investor with enough clout to bring them back. I would have thought there would be some big shot out there with the money and ambition to awaken a sleeping giant.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 02, 2007, 05:54:58 AM
I don't particularly like Leeds or Dennis Wise but I admire balls and 4 outta 4 is a statement of intent after all the shit they've been through. Twould be easy to lie down and blame the world.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: dodo on September 02, 2007, 02:07:33 PM
Good to see briar Wise rattling the opposition dug out whilst staying calm(ish) himself. Got to hand it to himself and Poyet, great start. Will be keeping an eye on them for the year.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 02, 2007, 04:19:01 PM
Rufus you have me pulling for a sawker team again and I  am watching out for leed's results. I hope they steer clear of the bottom of the table and mount a charge for promotion but I am sure that is a very long shot.

Anyway if nothing else I hope they find an investor with enough clout to bring them back. I would have thought there would be some big shot out there with the money and ambition to awaken a sleeping giant.



Good man Stew.

Regarding the investment, it's a funny one alright. Like yourself, I would have felt sure that Leeds would be an excellent investment opportunity for some heavy hitter - would be relatively cheap and of course the potential is there - i.e. each home game is normally the biggest crowd outside the Premier League.

Maybe the problem though is the current financial situation - I don't know. Or maybe again it's just a provincial thing - the glamour of being associated with a big London Club maybe - as Mark E Smith used to day, 'It's Grim Up North!'. Bernie Ecclestone for instance has chosen to invest in QPR, although long term he seems to have his eye on Arsenal - Leeds never seem to attract the same interest!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 03, 2007, 12:35:47 PM
I believe, from what I've heard, that on appeal Leeds are likely to get their 'sentence' of -15 reduced to -10, which would put them back 'in the black' already.

And they still seem to be getting the crowds, so the investment potential must be there.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on September 03, 2007, 01:33:02 PM
Regarding the investment, it's a funny one alright. Like yourself, I would have felt sure that Leeds would be an excellent investment opportunity for some heavy hitter - would be relatively cheap and of course the potential is there - i.e. each home game is normally the biggest crowd outside the Premier League.

Maybe the problem though is the current financial situation - I don't know.

I think its down to the Financial side of it and the way Master Bates is running things Rufus. He will not open the books for some reason to potential investors or indeed those that showed an interest in buying the club. He is obviously out to make a ball of money for himself off it in much the same way he did with Chelsea. The Elland road site is massive (check it out on Google earth) and the potential for development is huge, again much the same as was done with Stamford bridge. Hotels, shops, cinema etc could all be built along with a new stadium and there is a railway track running right along the back of the site along with an excellent road system and motorway just half a mile away. There is money to be made there if someone is smart enough to do it.

I believe, from what I've heard, that on appeal Leeds are likely to get their 'sentence' of -15 reduced to -10, which would put them back 'in the black' already.

And they still seem to be getting the crowds, so the investment potential must be there.

Have not heard that but it would be great news if it were true.

Never had a problem with getting good crowds. They are a very well supported club and when you think about it the only one in the city of Leeds. They had plans back in the days of premiership football to build a 60 000+ seater stadium as there was such a demand for tickets. No need for that nowadays but it might change given a few years....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 03, 2007, 01:42:25 PM
Should they not mwait for a while to get the points given back.  It would seem that anger is good.  Did Rotherham have 10 points taken away last season but they finished just above relegation.

As I said anger is serving them well at the moment.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2007, 03:56:36 PM
Make that six out of six!!  ;D  2-0 victory over Hartlepool last Saturday and 3-0 last night at Bristol Rovers - both top six sides, and all five goals scored by Sir Tresor Kandol and Jermaine Beckford.

I didn't realise, but Hartlepool have backing from a Norwegian oil crowd and are going well. They had a lot of the play last week, with the difference being the finishing of Kandol and Beckford. These two could prove to be the difference this season!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on September 18, 2007, 01:57:24 PM
kandol and Beckford on fire  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on September 18, 2007, 02:27:31 PM
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I didn't realise, but Hartlepool have backing from a Norwegian oil crowd and are going well.

Yeah, a few sailors from an oil tanker had a whip around - Europe next year!!

By post - sending them few groats back  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 24, 2007, 12:16:44 AM
Seven out of seven - not since Revie's team in 1973/74 - and 30K there to see Leeds at last climb out of the relegation zone - with a goal difference which is six better than the second best goal difference in the league!

So far so good, and most of the games to date seem to be against the teams from the upper reaches of the division. Gillingham away next.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 02, 2007, 11:14:08 PM
What goes around comes around. Lost the 100% record on Saturday away to Gillingham, with Kandol and Beckford both sent off, and a rearguard action eventually being breached in the 91st minute.

I thought that game was going to be Leeds' undoing, as both strikers were suspended for the trip to Oldham. As a consequence, Coventry striker Wayne Andrews and Leicester forward Mark De Vries were secured on one-month loan deals, but it was Ian Westlake who came off the bench to strike for a deserved win in the 90th minute!! Now only four points off the play offs, and with Orient's defeat, only nine off the summit!!

Just looking at the league table though, Forest are going smoothly enough with a game in hand - may take some watching!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 02, 2007, 11:24:00 PM
What they have done so far is amazing and you even have me checking out football 365 and soccernet for Leeds info Rufus. What a story it would be if they got promoted this year given the ridiculous sanctions imposed on them. The FA are charlatans, they did what they did to leeds and then they let West ham away with murder and sent Sheffield United down last year, effectively hurting them  to the tune  of 30-50 million pounds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 03, 2007, 09:10:49 AM
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only nine off the summit

I believe Orient are at Elland Road on Saturday - must be another chance to make significant ground.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 03, 2007, 09:55:10 AM
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only nine off the summit

I believe Orient are at Elland Road on Saturday - .

No they're not.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 03, 2007, 10:18:48 AM
I believed wrong so Shane, I'm only saying it because my next door neighbour is an Orient fan and told me so. 

I checked again, and it's Yeovil at Elland Road this Saturday and Orient next week.  Apologies.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 06, 2007, 08:09:04 PM
Leeds win again!!!! the only result I checked on or care about. Fair play to Leed's, to have gone through what they have and to be in the position they are now is a credit to them given the points deduction and I am delighted for the Leeds fans on here.

I would love to see them go up and they have a real chance now.  :)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 07, 2007, 10:57:03 AM
Leeds win again!!!! the only result I checked on or care about. Fair play to Leed's, to have gone through what they have and to be in the position they are now is a credit to them given the points deduction and I am delighted for the Leeds fans on here.

I would love to see them go up and they have a real chance now.  :)



Good man Stew!!  ;D  Really sailing close to the wind these days, but still managing to sneak home at the death. De Vries got the winner yesterday in the 89th minute  :o and he was only there due to the suspensions of Kandol and Beckford! Another big game next Saturday - home to Leyton Orient!

Pity about the points deduction - only for it - Super Leeds would be nine points clear!!  >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 22, 2007, 12:08:02 AM
Well - the bandwagon is still speeding along! Since last posted, home draw with Leyton Orient. A match/result that could have gone either way, with again Leeds getting outplayed for long periods. Fell behind to an early goal but got the equaliser, and then missed a penalty. That said, Orient had decent claims for a goal after a shot appeared to cross the line, but it was not given!  ;D The draw will do.

Another excellent away win on Saturday followed - Brighton were going along nicely - Sir Tresor Kandol doing the business again, after signing a new contract. Closing in fast on the pay off positions now!!   8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 22, 2007, 08:55:53 AM
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the pay off positions now!!   

Ouch Rufus!  I know Ken Bates is round the house, but there's no need for that.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 22, 2007, 06:54:14 PM
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the pay off positions now!!   

Ouch Rufus!  I know Ken Bates is round the house, but there's no need for that.  :P

 :D Good man Bill - a Freudian slip alright!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 27, 2007, 06:21:57 PM
Superish Leeds win again, they were 4-0 to 0-0 ahead until they relaxed and conceeded 2 goals late on to win 4-0 to 2-0.

Leeds are only four points off the  top and that is unbelievable at this juncture.

Leeds will be heading them all by the end of the year and given the points deduction what they are doing is remarkable.

Rufus will be one happy camper tonight. ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Datsun Donaghy on October 27, 2007, 09:50:30 PM
Rufus is always camp!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on October 27, 2007, 10:20:41 PM
Some achievement that, no matter your views on Leeds, has to be admired.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2007, 12:20:11 AM
The overall League record for Leeds this season is played 13, won 11, drew 2 and lost 0, and the attendance of 30,300 for the Millwall game is particularly worth noting. It was the fourth best in England today, which, for what is effectively a third division game, is astonishing. The last home game, against Orient, apparently drew the the fifth best crowd of the day in Europe. With that kind of support, the return to glory of the Mighty Whites is increasingly inevitable. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 28, 2007, 07:45:14 PM
The overall League record for Leeds this season is played 13, won 11, drew 2 and lost 0, and the attendance of 30,300 for the Millwall game is particularly worth noting. It was the fourth best in England today, which, for what is effectively a third division game, is astonishing. The last home game, against Orient, apparently drew the the fifth best crowd of the day in Europe. With that kind of support, the return to glory of the Mighty Whites is increasingly inevitable. 

More than that, it will attract interest from wealthy investors and that is the key to Leed's survival. there is nothing more important for this club than sustaining the results on the field this year and finding a new owner, one that has the financial clout to bring the club back to the premiership.

Leeds are going to be ok. I am amazed that the league treated them they way they did and yet west ham got to stay in the premiership, how does that work???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 29, 2007, 09:17:39 PM
Rufus is always camp!

And you know me better than most, big boy!  :-*

Great win for Leeds, and only they took the foot off the pedal and shipped two late goals, then the great defensive record would have been even more impressive!

First time into the play off places and things are looking good, although a trip to Carlisle coming up will be a tester!! Only four points off the summit!!  8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 04, 2007, 06:14:45 PM
Ah bollo' as they would say in France.

The great run came to an abrupt end - got a half time report and with Leeds 1-0 up, and in comlete control, a win looked on the cards. Two quick goals after the hour mark turned the game on it's head and then caught on the break in injury time as they chased the game.

Still - the position is still good at this point in time - need a win though away to Bournemouth on Tuesday night - not too worried about the Cup next week - safer of out of it!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 07:39:28 PM
Ah bollo' as they would sat in France.

The great run came to an abrupt end - got a half time report and with Leeds 1-0 up, and in comlete control, a win looked on the cards. Two quick goals after the hour mark turned the game on it's head and then caught on the break in injury time as they chased the game.

Still - the position is still good at this point in time - need a win though away to Bournemouth on Tuesday night - not too worried about the Cup next week - safer of out of it!   

Aye they need to concentrate on the League alright. It had to happen sooner or later but they will bounce back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: THE MIGHTY QUINN on November 04, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
I must admit when I heard they were 1 up I thought they were home and dry. Hopefully there won't be any hangovers from this and they can get back to wimming ways next week
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 25, 2007, 11:52:16 PM
Right - seriously worried that this thing could go tits up! Since last posted, won away in the league at Bournemouth and had a streaky enough win at home to Swindon. Lost in the Johnstone Paints trophy to Bury ( :-\) and played two shockers against Hereford before going out of the FA Cup. As Wise said, could be a blessing in disguise. Today though was seriously worrying as Leeds dominated and then got caught with a late sucker punch. That should have been a three point game. Two home fixtures coming up, and I would like to think six points might be acquired!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on November 26, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Right - seriously worried that this thing could go tits up! Since last posted, won away in the league at Bournemouth and had a streaky enough win at home to Swindon. Lost in the Johnstone Paints trophy to Bury ( :-\) and played two shockers against Hereford before going out of the FA Cup. As Wise said, could be a blessing in disguise. Today though was seriously worrying as Leeds dominated and then got caught with a late sucker punch. That should have been a three point game. Two home fixtures coming up, and I would like to think six points might be acquired!

Is it any coincidence that things have started to turn for the worse since the departure of Poyet and the arrival of Bassett?
2 wins in the last 7 games isn't what you might call good form.Hopefully they with the next two games at home they can begin to put a run together over the Christmas which will keep them in touch with the leaders.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: hardstation on December 08, 2007, 03:16:46 PM
Rufus will be a happy man today.
Leeds hammered Huddersfield 4-0.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 08, 2007, 04:01:43 PM
Rufus will be a happy man today.
Leeds hammered Huddersfield 4-0.

Indeed I am hardstation - excellent win, although by reports, maybe flattered Leeds somewhat. The attendance of 32,501 is the biggest at this level since 1979 - worthy of mention when you consider that Manchester City, Newcastle and Chelsea have been at this level since then.

Just to go into anorak mode, back in 1979, the two Sheffields were in the third division and the two attendances were 49,000 (Hillsborough) and 46,000 (Bramall Lane).   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: hardstation on December 29, 2007, 05:04:42 PM
Not so happy today, Rufus. Bate 3-2.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 31, 2007, 06:19:04 PM
Not so happy today, Rufus. Bate 3-2.

Aye - listened to it on the internet and to be honest they did not appear to deserve anything from the game. The good thing about it is that the other leading contenders dropped points, and it is another very tough game out of the way. One of Swansea's games in hand is away to Carlisle, so there will be more points dropped there!

Still worried though about the team long term, as the team does not appear to be playing well and are still sneaking wins and draws on occasion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
Not a good Christmas at all, or indeed December either. NewYear has started well with back to back wins for the first time since November. The 3-0 hammering of Northampton (in yer face Cobblers  8)) was followed with a good win tonight at Crewe. Actually thought Leeds played well, trying to play the ball to feet, and I like the look of the new lad Kilkenny. Wise said tonight that he is still hoping to get anoher couple of faces in before the end of January. Another big game on Saturday against Doncaster who are going well. Win that and hopefully this sticky patch will be put to bed. Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Onwards and upwards!!!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2008, 12:17:36 AM
Not a good Christmas at all, or indeed December either. NewYear has started well with back to back wins for the first time since November. The 3-0 hammering of Northampton (in yer face Cobblers  8)) was followed with a good win tonight at Crewe. Actually thought Leeds played well, trying to play the ball to feet, and I like the look of the new lad Kilkenny. Wise said tonight that he is still hoping to get anoher couple of faces in before the end of January. Another big game on Saturday against Doncaster who are going well. Win that and hopefully this sticky patch will be put to bed. Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Onwards and upwards!!!!   :)

The rough patch appears to be over and the team seems to be on the right track again. The focus now has to be at least four points out of every two games, win the home games and get at least a draw away and they will be fine although they probably need to average 5 points out of six the rest of the way to get promoted automatically.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 15, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
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Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 15, 2008, 12:15:43 PM
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Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.

I'd think at this stage Jewell is probably thinking of the championship, as are Leeds,so don't really think it would benefit Beckford to leave a team who are competing for automatic promotion to the championship, to go to a team that is struggling and most likely to be relegated to the championship.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 15, 2008, 08:52:15 PM
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Important though to keep Beckford at the Club as Paul Jewell is showing big interest.

Cracking goal he got, great jump for a small fellah.  I don't know if he has what's required for the Premiership though - good feet, but looks easy enough to dispossess.

Agreed totally Billy. Beckford is good where he is now, but Premiership standard he is not. Worth stating that any references to Leeds performances should be seen in the same light. Good and all as they played last night, the chasm between there and the bottom of the Premiership would be sizeable.

Still, currently horses for courses, just like it was way back in season 1989/90. But I'm hopeful with the new players in, that promotion is definitely on, which is one step on the long road back!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 28, 2008, 05:56:23 PM


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7213096.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7213096.stm)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 28, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Shotstopper's link was to this.  I, personally, am not sorry to see the back of Wise - hopefully he's replaced with an intelligent person with the game at heart.  And him and Keegan - well met indeed.   ::)


Wise quits Leeds for Magpies role 

Leeds United have agreed to let manager Dennis Wise join Newcastle as the Magpies' new director of football, BBC Sport understands.
The 41-year-old will join the club on Tuesday and will work under new Magpies manager Kevin Keegan.

A club statement said: "We have agreed a compensation package with Newcastle for the services of Dennis Wise.

"He will part with the club on Tuesday after completing preparations for the game at Southend on Tuesday."

Former Tottenham director of football David Pleat was surprised that Wise was offered the role at such a young age.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "Wise has never been director of football before although he has been relatively sucessful coach at Millwall and was doing good work at Leeds.

"I would imagine it would be a completely new challenge for him and I have to say, it is usually a challenge that is given to a more experienced man."

Newcastle approached Leeds on Friday after former Newcastle striker Alan Shearer opted not to return to St James' Park as Keegan's number two.

Wise played for England under Keegan and has enhanced his standing at Leeds.

On the appointment of Keegan two weeks ago Wise said: "I worked with him at England and he did a very good job there. All the punters are pleased that he's gone back to Newcastle.

"He's a good man and all the people that have worked with him have enjoyed working with him. He's got a real good aura around him and it's nice to see him back."

The former Chelsea captain has guided Leeds into play-off contention in League One despite them starting the season on minus 15 points.

That penalty followed their going into administration last season and being relegated, and money remains tight at Elland Road.

Keegan himself would not be drawn on the subject of Wise at a Newcastle media briefing on Monday.

"Obviously, there are going to be some moves at this club, but I think the chairman Chris Mort has really got to come out and say what that's all about later this week."

It is the second time this season that Leeds chairman Ken Bates has lost a member of his managerial team to a Premier League club following assistant manager Gus Poyet's move to Tottenham earlier in the season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on January 28, 2008, 06:12:03 PM
Leeds United have agreed to let manager Dennis Wise join Newcastle as the Magpies' new director of football, BBC Sport understands.
The 41-year-old will join the club on Tuesday and will work under new Magpies manager Kevin Keegan.

Some very confused thinking there...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 28, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
Is he Wise?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on January 28, 2008, 06:24:36 PM
Is he Wise?

Eyes bigger than his belly...would imagine he wil go the way of Moe Greene, methaphorcally anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: FermPundit on January 28, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Get your money on Gary McAllister being the new manager with Garry Speed on the coaching staff. Two members of the Leeds league champions team of 1992 reunited.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 28, 2008, 08:19:02 PM
Shotstopper's link was to this.  I, personally, am not sorry to see the back of Wise - hopefully he's replaced with an intelligent person with the game at heart.  And him and Keegan - well met indeed.   ::)

Good call Bill - I had been prepared to give Dennis the benefit of considerable doubt, but where now for all his talk of commitment and loyalty?

There's a lad on waccoe.com who seems to have the inside track on what's going on, and he had been predicting this one. The reasoning behind it though probably leaves more questions than answers, with some surmising that Uncle Ken will sell up to Freddy Shepherd, and that a manager that the fans will be pleased with, will  be inserted!

Either way, something would need to happen quickly or there could be serious repercussions for the form on the pitch.

It's nothing if not interesting!   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 29, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
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some surmising that Uncle Ken will sell up to Freddy Shepherd

Aieeeeeeeeee, ouch.

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money on Gary McAllister being the new manager with Garry Speed on the coaching staff

I could live with that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 29, 2008, 11:59:13 AM
There seems to be some chat that Billy Davies may be interested.  Is there mileage in that?  What about Fat Sam?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2008, 11:59:41 AM
John sheridan seems to be third favourite at 7/1
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 29, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
Looking very likely to be McAllister,although he has limited managerial experience he would be an inspiration to all and his appointment could give the club the lift it needs to get promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on January 29, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
Looking very likely to be McAllister,although he has limited managerial experience he would be an inspiration to all and his appointment could give the club the lift it needs to get promotion.

Bassett gone T.G.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 29, 2008, 10:16:11 PM
Gary Mc is the new man then - wonder could Gary Speed be persuaded to come on board as player/coach? This is a popular appointment and I would have to say after the disappointment of Wise leaving, this is a lift. As Mers said tonight on Sky Sports, it is a good move for Leeds, and McAllister will play nice passing football (in contrast to DW's tactics), but he questions whether the personnel are there to play such football. Still, the small matter of on field performances were brought home by another defeat away to Southend tonight, although the indifferent form of others (excluding Swansea) is restricting the damage. However, things need to happen on the pitch soon. With the transfer window closing, it's going to be down to the manager!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 30, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
BBC Sport: Leeds name McAllister as new boss 
 
Leeds have appointed former player Gary McAllister as their new manager after Dennis Wise's move to Newcastle.  Ex-Scotland midfielder McAllister, 43, who played for Leeds from 1990 to 1996, has joined initially until the summer.

He also played for Leicester, Liverpool and Coventry, whom he managed for 18 months before leaving to care for wife Denise, who died of cancer in 2006.  McAllister, who won 57 caps, was in the frame for the Scotland job before Alex McLeish was appointed in 2007.

However, he pulled out of the running to succeed McLeish early on and George Burley got the job earlier this month.  Wise left the club on Tuesday after 15 months in charge, while assistant Dave Bassett has also departed.  Technical director Gwyn Williams will take charge of the game at Southend.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shotstopper1 on February 04, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2008, 01:53:09 PM
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Staunton-is-McAllister39s-man.3740508.jp)

Hope Stan can do well and maybe go on to be No.1 at some club..Probably should have done something like this before taking Ireland job
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister

I meant from Staunton took charge of Ireland in Jan 06. No need to be a smart arse eg ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Evil Genius on February 04, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
Jaysus christ
Where has Mc Allister been for the last few years

Looking after his sick wife:
"McAllister had a fairly un-notable spell in management with former club Coventry. He resigned however due to family reasons. His wife, Denise, was ill with breast cancer. She died on 3 March 2006, aged 38."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McAllister

I meant from Staunton took charge of Ireland in Jan 06. No need to be a smart arse eg ::)

I wasn't being a smartarse. You asked a question, I answered it. Since you didn't specify "since Jan 06", but said "for the last few years", my answer covered it. (A period of mourning after Mar. 06 is a bit of a given, followed by some more recent media work with Sky etc- unless you think I'm being smartarsed in saying even that...)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: full back on February 04, 2008, 02:49:47 PM
Whatever eg ::)  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ildanach on February 04, 2008, 04:06:24 PM
just when you thought it could not get any worse for leeds....................

Staunton Set For Leeds Role
Mon 04 Feb, 03:10 PM


Leeds are poised to name Steve Staunton as assistant manager to Gary McAllister.

The former Republic of Ireland boss will meet the Leeds squad at Thorp Arch with a view to being confirmed as McAllister's number two at Elland Road.

Staunton, who won 102 international caps for the Republic, will team up with McAllister after the pair worked together at Coventry.

The former Liverpool, Aston Villa and Coventry full-back joined the Sky Blues as a player when McAllister was manager in August 2003.

Staunton was appointed successor to Brian Kerr as Republic coach in January 2006, but was sacked the following October following an unsuccessful Euro 2008 qualifying campaign.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 15, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
If Leeds get the 15 pts back, they're promoted already I think - 5 will do to get them into play-offs safely, I'd think.

From BBC:
Leeds poised to learn points fate 
 
The independent tribunal to consider Leeds' 15-point deduction is set to start on Wednesday.

Leeds were docked the points by the Football League for allegedly breaking competition rules on insolvency.

But the club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to the independent arbitration hearing after initially serving the League with a High Court writ.

A three-man panel reviewing the penalty is expected to make their ruling before Leeds' trip to Millwall on 19 April.

 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on April 15, 2008, 01:59:32 PM
If Leeds get the 15 pts back, they're promoted already I think - 5 will do to get them into play-offs safely, I'd think.

From BBC:
Leeds poised to learn points fate 
 
The independent tribunal to consider Leeds' 15-point deduction is set to start on Wednesday.

Leeds were docked the points by the Football League for allegedly breaking competition rules on insolvency.

But the club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to the independent arbitration hearing after initially serving the League with a High Court writ.

A three-man panel reviewing the penalty is expected to make their ruling before Leeds' trip to Millwall on 19 April.


Here's hoping. I thought the punishment was completely vindictive, as it was retrospective, and against natural juctice, in that they were in fact punished twice for the same offence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 15, 2008, 05:18:50 PM
Firstly tomorrow is D Day, I believe we will get the 15 points back and if we beat Huddersfield tonight we are all but promoted. The hilarious thing is swansea celebrating promotion last sat when if leeds if get 15pts back tomorrow there not promoted as carlisle can still catch them. This article is from Yorkshire Evening Post. Tells all and Leeds have great chance of getting pts back, I will be glued to Sky sports news tomorrow for breaking news, could be a great week for me if leeds get promoted and Sligo can do the great escape in div3, I seen leeds against walsall and we are playing good entertaining football and 28,500 at last weekends game, very loyal fans, and the only official soccer thread on AFR is leeds:

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 15, 2008, 09:12:27 PM
Firstly tomorrow is D Day, I believe we will get the 15 points back and if we beat Huddersfield tonight we are all but promoted. The hilarious thing is swansea celebrating promotion last sat when if leeds if get 15pts back tomorrow there not promoted as carlisle can still catch them. This article is from Yorkshire Evening Post. Tells all and Leeds have great chance of getting pts back, I will be glued to Sky sports news tomorrow for breaking news, could be a great week for me if leeds get promoted and Sligo can do the great escape in div3, I seen leeds against walsall and we are playing good entertaining football and 28,500 at last weekends game, very loyal fans, and the only official soccer thread on AFR is leeds:

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors

I was reading this yesterday and was taken aback by the confidence that's in the air. The fifteen points back would mean they are well in the hunt for the title!  8) Still, I would imagine if the appeal was successful, it would be subject to a counter appeal, and the whole issue could drag on for some time.

On the field though, things are looking up, with Macca having Leeds playing a nice style of football. The return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important, as his absence in the mid season slump was more then a coincidence. One defeat now in the last twelve, with victories over potential play off rivals Doncaster and Carlisle, leave Leeds heading for the conclusion of the season with some confidence. Promotion could yet become a reality!   

Edit: Should have known better than to open my mouth about recent good form - looks like Leeds are about to take a spill as we speak!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 16, 2008, 08:56:38 AM
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The return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important.

You and your gob Rufus, lost the derby to Huddersfield, and Douglas sent off.  Brilliant.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2008, 05:19:09 PM
Lads a bit longer waith than I thought, it could be early next week before we know. Good to see beckford is back for millwall game. Bad result last night but I still believe are moving in the right direction.

Here is article from YEP:

Leeds United were today beginning their arbitrational challenge against the 15-point penalty imposed on the club by the Football League.

An independent review of United's penalty was due to begin in London this morning, with the hearing expected to last for up to three days.

A three-man panel consisting of retired High Court judge Sir Philip Otton, former Premier League chief executive Peter Leaver and lawyer Peter Cadman will consider United's argument that the deduction handed down to them for failing to exit administration through a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) was "unjustand unfair".

Leeds are being represented by David Phillips QC, while Jonathan Taylor of Bird & Bird was expected to lead the Football League's defence.

A verdict from the arbitration hearing is unlikely to be delivered before Friday, and it is anticipated that the tribunal's decision may be made public early next week.

United will argue that the Football League did not have the jurisdiction to punish the club with a 15-point penalty.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2008, 07:14:35 PM
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The return of Jonathan Douglas is also very important.

You and your gob Rufus, lost the derby to Huddersfield, and Douglas sent off.  Brilliant.  ::)

I know, I know - the irony of me saying that is killing me!   :-[

I'm going to predict now that we will get some of our 15 points back - not enough to affect the automatic promotion situation, but enough to guarantee a play off place - something like five points!

Going on previous, I now expect Elland Road to be destroyed in a tsunami and Leeds will have to fold!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 18, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
Big breaking news. The tribunal is set to run for a fourth day bringing into monday.

But this is strange announcement by panel, the decision will not be made until MAY 1ST at the earliest.

No reasons given. According to the LUFC website.

Why on earth are they going to wait till the season is over before making decision? Nobody will be able to plan for play offs. Are the Football league trying to shaft us again. What is logic behind that decision to delay the verdict????????
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 18, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
OOOPS i read it wrong ::).

Verdict will be made available before MAY 1ST at the latest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on April 19, 2008, 12:25:16 AM
I think they will get just enough points to ensure that they make the playoffs and not enough to automatically get promoted. The league should never have handed out this penalty in the first place but they will have learned from the mistakes they made with west ham in the sense that they know better than to directly cost another team their rightful place in the higher bracket. The hammers decision meant in the end than another team went down when they should have went down.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 19, 2008, 12:44:24 AM
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in that they were in fact punished twice for the same offence.

Is part of the issue not that, in reality, Leeds tried to avoid being punished at all by going into administration when they were not officially relegated but were goners as a result of goal difference?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on April 19, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on April 19, 2008, 04:16:44 PM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.

Leeds should have expected the same fate as West Ham except the fine should have been smaller given that they play in a much lower league. The should never have been docked the points imo in the first place. To impose that kind of sanction on a team already strugling for survival is ridiculous in my opinion, this action would kill most clubs who  already circle the drain.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:18:41 PM
Yeovil 0 Leeds 1 FT, great result. Now we are guarnteed the play offs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:27:40 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:32:54 PM
Leeds should take their punishment of 15 points, get on with qualifying for the play-off, and if that is achieved, concentrate on winning promotion. Unfair to change the rules at this stage. If Leeds get some or all of the points back there will be some loser out on a automatic or play-off promotion place. If Leeds are good enough they will go up, plus there will be greater satisfaction.

In fairness Leeds didnt break the rules. The 15pt deduction is completely seperate to the adminstration which we were already deducted 10pts. It is do with the work carried out by our adminstraters and ethicetc(cant spell that word) around coming out of adminstration. I posted a full article Yorkshire EP on AFR but will post it here so everyone can read it for themselves.

In fairness to us as everyone says football is won on the field. If that was the case we'd be top by 2 tonight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:40:46 PM
Here is the article on Leeds 15 pt hearing, make your own mind up..............

The confidentiality clause by which Leeds United promised to solemnly abide has not prevented an air of confidence from flowing through Elland Road in anticipation of next week's arbitration tribunal.
The club agreed reluctantly to allow the hearing to proceed in private, but it does not take a talent for reading between the lines to gauge their mood.

Leeds are optimistic; optimistic to the point of expectant, and convinced that their dissection of an alleged injustice has produced a compelling argument against their 15-point penalty.

Ken Bates was not exaggerating when he said United were burrowing into every area of the Football League's rules and policy, and the 27-page claim form submitted to the High Court in February is evidence of how deeply Leeds have delved to undermine the legitimacy of their deduction.

United's appeal did not reach the judiciary but the claim submitted on February 12, and signed by their director Mark Taylor, is likely to be employed in its entirety when a panel of three convene to rule on the 15-point punishment next week.

The legal establishment's understanding of a complex case is better than ours, but it is clear that Leeds will enter the arbitrational proceedings pre-armed.

Their case against the Football League is thoughtful and detailed, the result of six months of investigating the whys and wherefores of their penalty. While not a guarantee of outright victory, it gives Leeds a credible chance.

Details of the League's defence are not on public record, but the organisation will be asked to answer some pertinent questions.

Why, for example, did the League vote against the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposed by Leeds when agreeing a CVA was a fundamental part of their insolvency policy?

The body stood to be paid in full for the £188,000 they were owed, and the absence of a CVA was largely responsible for United's points deduction. The League's rejection of the arrangement put to them was "arbitrary and unfair", Leeds claim, and evidence of prejudice.

United's legal team will ask the tribunal to consider whether it is appropriate for an organisation to reject a CVA and then sanction the club in question for failing to implement it.

The motivation for the legal challenge made by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) against United's CVA is another area of fierce contention.

HMRC sought a judicial review after the voluntary arrangement was initially passed by a majority of 75.2 per cent, and their contest was the catalyst for the CVA's collapse in July. KPMG, who had drawn up the proposal, withdrew it with the insistence that Leeds lacked the funds to continue operating while the case was settled in court.

In what appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the process of administration, Leeds will claim that the decision to complete an administrators' sale – a direct sale made without a CVA – was the responsibility of KPMG, and not the club.

Moreover, they will tell the tribunal that their bid for the club was the highest available, and the most rewarding for their unsecured creditors.
The full article contains 528 words and appears in EP Leeds First & County newspaper.

The offer made by Bates is listed in the High Court claim as being worth 52.9p in the £, compared to 32.2p proposed by the second-highest bid.

The figure of 52.9p clearly includes the sum that will be paid to creditors in the event that United are promoted to the Premiership and the true pay-out is presently closer to 11p in the £. But the Football League themselves appear to have conceded that the best offer on the table was the one accepted by KPMG.

On the question of HMRC's uncooperative stance, the debate over the reimbursement of 'football creditors' will also be raised again.

Leeds claim that the Revenue's challenge against the CVA was driven by what Bates calls "intransigence", and its dissatisfaction with Football League rules requiring players, managers and relevant footballing institutions to be paid in full by insolvent clubs. It is a key demand placed on every club in administration that wishes to regain its membership of the League.

HMRC – an unsecured creditor – has, by its own admission, adopted a militant stance towards CVAs proposed by professional clubs and its opposition has hindered Bournemouth's move out of administration. An administrators' sale is on the cards at Dean Court, which means, in theory, that another 15-point deduction may by in the offing.

Leeds' assessment of HMRC's stance is, in truth, only part of the story. According to the club's claim form, the legal challenge against the CVA was partially driven by the Revenue's doubt over the validity of the voting rights given to three different creditors – Astor Investment Holdings Limited, Mark Taylor & Company and Yorkshire Radio Limited.

All three debts helped to approve the CVA and all were sanctioned with legal advice, but it does dampen the argument that HMRC's challenge was driven solely by frustration or spite. The Revenue felt it had a legitimate complaint, though the validity of its claim was never proved. The administrators' sale by KPMG killed the challenge instantly.

But it was the direct sale to Bates which made a CVA impossible to implement.

United believe that in meeting their football debts in full enough names were removed from the club's list of creditors to leave HMRC with a voting share in excess of 25 per cent – big enough to oppose any offer put to them. No deal which promised less than the Revenue's entire debt of over £7m would have been considered acceptable.

The difficulty with which Bournemouth are shaking off insolvency is apparent evidence that the Revenue's opposition is being applied consistently, rather than specifically.

The crux of next week's argument, however, may be whether the Football League have the power or the jurisdiction to punish a club in United's position with a sanction of any sort.

Leeds contend that, in the eyes of the League, they broke no rules

They are also adamant that no area of the organisation's regulations relating to either membership of the League or the matter of insolvency offers provision to penalise a club with a 15-point deduction.

The rules are open to interpretation, and the League are likely to argue differently, but United's claim form reads: "There is no general jurisdiction for the League to impose penalties in the way it has done in relation to Leeds."

It is a point they will press on the tribunal with force. So closely have the rules been scrutinised that United's claim cannot be said to have been made on a whim.

Complications exist, inevitably, and Leeds are expected to be asked to explain why they are challenging the Football League when an agreement was signed in August confirming that they would not do so.

The club will state that they assumed the League had the power to impose their penalty, an assumption which they now believe was "wrong in law". They will also insist that their takeover met the three priorities stated by the Football League in a press release relating to Bates' takeover, which were "the continuation of the football club...secondly, payment in full to football creditors and, finally, the best possible return for all other creditors."

The tribunal might agree.

It is, inherently, a complex case about which no pre-conceptions can be made. According to those with knowledge of arbitration proceedings, talk of a pre-arranged deal returning a reduced number of points is nonsense. The men named on the tribunal panel – Sir Philip Otton, Peter Cadman and Peter Leaver – seem too legally-minded for that.

But while the Football League have seemed the most likely winners from the word go, it may not now be prudent to make assumptions about their success either.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 25, 2008, 10:52:58 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).

Giles and Clough both hated each other with gusto   :P.. but the notion that old big head could walk in there and make a p***k out of  the whole team.. the last chapter when Clough is leaving leeds in a brand new Merc and a cheque for 25,000 makes you think....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 25, 2008, 10:59:40 PM
Must say.. On Leeds... I have finished Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United' on Brian Clough's 44 days at Leeds in 1974 and I must say it is a cracking read... although there is a bit of poetic license, regarding what went on, he has the facts surrounding the whole thing right and has Clough sussed out ... too big for his boots, young man....

Himself and Giles got on well though according to that book ::).

Giles and Clough both hated each other with gusto   :P.. but the notion that old big head could walk in there and make a p***k out of  the whole team.. the last chapter when Clough is leaving leeds in a brand new Merc and a cheque for 25,000 makes you think....

Makes you think - things were similiar under Risdale reign, I read fowlers autobiography aswell, His chapter on leeds is called "take the money and run son" a director of leeds said that him while he was driving away in his merc too :P. Although Bates is EX chelsea he wont throw away money like past regimes. 44 days book was good read for sure.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 29, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
According to SKY SPORTS NEWS the Verdict of the arbriatration will be announced at 5 o clock on Thursday. :-\.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 30, 2008, 09:18:47 AM
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Dave Peace's book 'The Damned United'

Absolutely marvellous read, best sports book I've read in a long, long time - even if it does take a bit of poetic licence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Ryano on May 01, 2008, 05:07:33 PM
Appeal rejected. Full 15 point deduction to remain. b**tards!

http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1303526,00.html (http://www.leedsunited.com/page/NewsroomDetail/0,,10273~1303526,00.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 05:27:23 PM
Leeds appeal rejected for no good reason only timing????????? and the effect it has on other clubs.
What about the fact that it was unlawful in the first place just ignored because it is so close to end of the season.
They also blamed leeds for the delays which were the football leagues fault. b**tards is right. I'll explain more later. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 06:16:37 PM
Right lads just listened to a 20 minute interview of Bates on Yorkshire radio.

Unbelieavble stuff. He said it was a morale victory for Leeds and that weve been done on a Technicality.

The arbitration said in a very gentlemanly way that the football league procedures have to change. Basically because of the procedure where club in administration have to waivy the right of appeal. Leeds were told by football to do this last yr or get kicked out of the league. So leeds signed and still pursued the matter. Only for our competiters to get to have a say on our punishment. Injustice or what.

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.

Leeds also stated the technicallity was them doing everything in line with the insolvency procedures of football league but it is not lawful in the eyes of the inland revenue. Leeds payed there creditors in full but not inland revenue. Which p**ied off Lord mawhinney and hes been out to get us since.

The arbitration panel put blame on leeds for the delays. Bates said that is false. We wanted arbitration since AUGUST. But football league decided to put it to our competitors.

Bates said there has been miscarriages of justice before and here we are again. He said hes sorted out the mess left by other owners.

The only way justice will be served IF LEEDS UTD GO UP. The fact of the matter is timing was the main reason they gave and that tough s**h yee delayed it. That means if we had got arbritration in October wed probably have won.

Bates last sentence was this, "If this is justice then Im a BANANA :D.






This next bit is more of the same from another forum.

A three-day hearing reached its conclusion behind closed doors on Thursday in London where Leeds failed to convince a three-man panel that the League acted unfairly when docking the points as punishment for breaking competition rules on insolvency.

The hearing's decision to rule in the League's favour sees Leeds stay in sixth place in League One - and they must now hope to secure promotion via a play-off place.

The hearing's decision to rule in the League's favour sees Leeds stay in sixth place in League One and they must now hope to secure promotion via the play-offs.

The verdict will be met with huge celebration by Swansea, Doncaster, Carlisle and Nottingham Forest, who had all been braced for possible legal action had the three-man panel overturned Leeds' sanction.

If Leeds had been handed back all 15 points they would have jumped from sixth to second, ousting Doncaster from an automatic promotion spot, while Swansea would not have been assured of the League One title.

Leeds chairman Ken Bates confirmed he would accept the tribunal's findings, but was aggrieved at its criticism of Leeds for the delay in bringing about the action.

A club statement said: "In making the decision the panel took into account the detailed submissions made by both parties.

"The panel were critical of the length of time taken by Leeds United in bringing this action to have the 15-point decision overturned.

"We feel this finding is unjust as the club sought to oppose the imposition of the penalty from August 30, 2007 onwards.

"We did accept the imposed condition of a 15-point penalty subject to an appeal to member clubs.

"As at August 3, 2007 we had no option but to do so. If we had not the club would have been lost forever, which was far too big a price for anyone to pay.

"It is galling therefore that we are criticised for the delay in bringing the appeal when it was delays by the Football League that effectively backed us into this corner in the first place."

The statement continued: "The appeal to member clubs was imposed by the Football League.

"We have been critical of this throughout and felt justified therefore that the tribunal felt it was unsatisfactory due to the level of vested interest in the appeal body.

"Leeds United will be proposing at the forthcoming Football League AGM a change to the regulations to this effect to protect other clubs in the future.

"If what football achieves out of this decision is clarity for clubs in the future (and there will undoubtedly be cases of insolvency again), then that can mitigate some of our disappointment as we want all clubs to survive through what are very difficult times.

"The matter is now closed and the focus can now return to the pitch. The decision to remain in League One was always correct from the club's perspective.

"If the team are now able to progress through the play-offs to the Championship, then it would be the appropriate reward for the efforts of the club's fans and players in overcoming the penalty imposed on the club."

Leeds were deducted 15 points for failing to exit administration via a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA).

A majority of more than 75% of fellow Football League clubs then voted to uphold the sanction.

Bates had been forced to put the club in the hands of administrators last May due to debts of around £35million.

The club denied any wrongdoing and agreed to an arbitration hearing after initially serving the Football League with a High Court writ.

Bournemouth and Luton could start next season with a similar handicap after both recently failed to exit administration via a CVA.

Leeds have already ensured their place in the play-offs with victory at Yeovil last week.

Gary McAllister's side will play their final match of the season against Gillingham on Sunday in front of a sell-out crowd at Elland Road.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mentalman on May 01, 2008, 06:50:38 PM
Hope it galvinises them for the play-offs - shove it right up the league administrators and their opponents.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on May 01, 2008, 08:02:58 PM

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.
That's more than a bit dubious that rival clubs had a vote in the matter.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 08:22:18 PM

Bates also said several chairmen who voted against leeds then have since admitted despite them feeling leeds were right that in there own SELF INTEREST they voted against us.

Also he said you'll see the swansea chairman saying decision was right etc and the gillingham chairman aswell both of whom dont know the facts. Lets stuff the gills this weekend and send them to Lg 2. Karma.
That's more than a bit dubious that rival clubs had a vote in the matter.



They didnt have a vote this time it was just 3man arbitration. But back in october the football league brought it to a club vote when it should of been brought to arbitration in the first place. Every club in league 2 wants leeds down for extra revenue and league 1 clubs would of course have better chance with us deducted pts. Then championship clubs wouldnt want a giant like us back. It stink of greed and self interest.

Weve actually did every club in administration or near it a huge favour in that the Football league have to revise there procedures now because they are flawed which makes us the MARTYRs.

The arbitration would of probably voted in favour of us back then as they now blame us for delaying and timing it now would be unfaiir to other clubs.

Absolute travesty of justice. Whats worse is seeing mawhinney smugness on sky along with swansea and gillingham chairmen >:( >:(.

Anyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there, if we do it this way and get promoted its probably better for the fans. The release of rage inside me if we get promoted wont be unlike a primal scream. :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
can you blame the swansea and gillingham charimen for being happy. the self pity is great craic.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
can you blame the swansea and gillingham charimen for being happy. the self pity is great craic.

Explain to me why the Gillingham chairman is sooooo happy and opinionated the clown. :D. When he has to go to ELLAND RD this saturday and win to stay up. You obviously havnt a clue. ::).

Ok the swansea is delighted and feels justice has been served, when the man hasnt got a clue what the circumstances are.  If this was on the field where it matters we'd be promoted.

The only way justice will be done is if we send the Gills down to League 2 and win the play offs. Anyways as  fan I get to see leeds in home leg and hopefully will be at the new wembley seeing us win in front of 90,000. Wouldnt mind that too much ;D.

It is time too look on the bright side.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 01, 2008, 09:07:16 PM
i dont know is their a reason for him not to be happy?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 01, 2008, 11:47:16 PM
At least all the uncertainty is now over. Time to move on and concentrate on the play offs. Of the five possible teams who wil be competing, I would say Leeds are probably showing the best current form. Going up would be great, but if the worst comes to the worst and Leeds fail this time around, at least Leeds can start next season, for the first time in a long while, confident that they will be playing on a level playing field, and with optimism that a return to the Championship is around the corner!    8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 12:03:22 AM
i dont know is their a reason for him not to be happy?

Yes because hes just done a rafael benitez on it. LUFC will show no mercy and motivation for the game will be from his comments. We have nothing to play for this weekend and the clown should keep his mouth shut especially when hes at the bottom of the table and it wouldnt effect him us getting the pts back.

Rufus it would be soul destroying to not get promoted now. Absolutely unthinkable. We will get promoted... 8).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 02, 2008, 11:22:55 AM
It's back to the old Revie days of 'everyone hates us, let's show the f*ckers', and that suits me (and half of Yorkshire).  The good days are on the way back, I tell ye.  Icky Thump!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
It's back to the old Revie days of 'everyone hates us, let's show the f*ckers', and that suits me (and half of Yorkshire).  The good days are on the way back, I tell ye.  Icky Thump!!

Ya lets show the f*ckers. The tide is definitly turning. Leeds till I die.  8).
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 02, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
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Anyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there


So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 02, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
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Anyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there


So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Ouch  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 02, 2008, 03:59:53 PM
I believe the French say it best.

'Touché Msr. Seanie' :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ludermor on May 02, 2008, 04:16:45 PM
Class Seanie  :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 02, 2008, 06:03:51 PM
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Anyways Im going to the home leg and play off final if we get there


So you can be in London on May 25th but can't go to watch Sligo? Don't ever lecture anyone about missing Sligo games again.
Ouch  :D :D :D

Seanie - Im going to send you a PM just to explain how things have changed for me. I dont want people to know my personal business and I dont want get into a pointless war of words with you again.

I will say this I didnt know the date for the play off final was same day. I got some good news last week in my life and I am now available to go. I didnt know both clashed and had intended to go to both. I will also say in 2006 I had to same choice when living in london to go see leeds in cardiff play off final (alot easier to get too) but no I flew home and went to galway got soaked and didnt see any game because it was called off.  Came home again the week after.

There is only one choice for me, I always support Sligo first. End of and that cannot be questioned. The same choice will be made this time i just didnt know they clashed.

Please dont try and justify in your own head your oen lack of support of your county by trying to belittle me. I know I know my stuff and I do not need validation of anyone outside myself.

Rarely also to I question or lecture anyone for not going to games. I only bring that up when someone who wasnt at the game, has an opinion on the game thats all. Of course I do wish a couple of thousand would go to league games but thats unrealistic.

Read my PM. Im not going to waste a PM on OMS. It would be full of BEAL BOCHT stuff, (still dont know what that means)Im sure its a compliment to me ::).

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 14, 2008, 12:47:56 PM
Got back last night from Leeds. Very disappointing performance. The atmosphere was beyond anything ive ever experienced especially at the start. The roar from the revie stand is unbeliavble. In fairness to leeds fans they were behind the team the whole way through. Marching on together has to be the best soccer chant for displaying passion. Just a pity the team didnt respond. Extroadinary experience all the same.

Considering how shit we played 2-1 is actually a good result. The place went mental when freedman scored because the tie was over if we lost 2-0. But now we still have a chance. I was at 1st leg play off against preston a few yrs back and we played ok but eddie lewis got great free kick to level 1-1. Remember billy davies after saying JOB DONE. Not quite Leeds won away leg 2-0.

Leeds have major problems. The midfield was Douglas, Howson, prutton and kilkenny, all of them are central midfielders with not much pace. We had no width on either flank and poor frazer richardson was being overlapped the whole night with no cover. Kilkenny gave him no protection. Taking off beckford was a mistake. Should of played 3 up top with kandol coming on. The supply to the front men was atrocious. No creativity. Carlisle looked dangerous all night but seat back and invited us on which eventually we took advantage of.

Anyways we cant play much worse so maybe we can do it and hopefully get the first goal. I still believe we can do it.

"15pts who gives a fu*k, we are leeds and were going up" ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Main Street on May 14, 2008, 01:39:24 PM
Times are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
That's the way they like it at Leeds, Main Street, apparently.  :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2008, 10:45:18 PM
Considering how shit we played 2-1 is actually a good result. The place went mental when freedman scored because the tie was over if we lost 2-0. But now we still have a chance. I was at 1st leg play off against preston a few yrs back and we played ok but eddie lewis got great free kick to level 1-1. Remember billy davies after saying JOB DONE. Not quite Leeds won away leg 2-0.


Was thinking something similar myself after the match. There's still hope and if Leeds can get in amongst them, and Carlisle get a bit nervous, who knows!!   ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2008, 09:54:06 AM
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There's still hope and if Leeds can get in amongst them, and Carlisle get a bit nervous, who knows!!

It's definitely winnable, but I'm not confident.  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2008, 10:13:05 PM
What an unbeliable game.....We did it. What a perforamance, absolutely battered them and showed some courage to express ourselves like that...Howson was our worst player last monday and reacts by putting in a performance like that,,, frazer richardson was awesome...the team were fantastic.

It is not often I see my father jump up in delight, in fact he is the king of hiding his emotions and Ive only seen him lose himself twice last yrs connaght final and tonight, he usually tells me to calm down,, but both of us went mental when leeds scored 2nd goal. The importance was huge. Being stuck in this division next yr would feel like relegation. Lost my voice again but its worth it.

15pts who gives a f*ck, we are LEEDS and we are going up!!!!! Always pays to have faith. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D YES YES YES YES

I know we are not up yet but considering 95mins gone in the 1st lag and we were 2-0 down it is some relief heading to wembley.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2008, 11:31:06 PM
Absolutely tremendous - Leeds bossed that game from start to finish, and dare I say it, actually played some seriously nice football in patches!  :-*

Well worth the win - bring on Wembley!!   8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 15, 2008, 11:32:26 PM
Fair play lads. Hope you win it, and that's from a Chelsea fan!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 15, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
Would love to see 'Da Gaffa' tilt Championship windmills.

It's been a tough time for genuine Leeds supporters and I hope ye win the big one in Wembly and get back to the Championship (where you belong)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 15, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Its nice to see the well wishers. To be honest any true football with a soul or conscience should have some sympathy for Leeds fans and whats happened completely outside our control. But boy have we stayed loyal and passionate.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: KIDDO 4 on May 16, 2008, 12:05:14 AM
We are on the way back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
The tide is definitly turning in our favour. I actually met BATES on the day of game last monday. He was friendly enough. Also told us that plans are in place to build 2 hotels and amusement centre where the leeds shop is and build a new shop. Something similiar to what he did at Chelsea. On/Off the field Leeds are coming good at last. I think were in safe enough hands at the minute.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
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Times are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed


Roddy did them less damage than Risdale & co did to Leeds!

Leeds are a club I care very little for but have found myself looking for their results this year and (I feel dirty) hoping they do well and even get promoted. I just feel that deducting 15 points was completely unfair and punishing the wrong people - the players and supporters - who had fcuk all to do with the reasons for the penalty.

Good luck in the final. Next season will see normal service resumed with me hoping ye lose every game!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 16, 2008, 04:36:25 PM
Thanks Seanie, I'm looking forward to Leeds getting back to what they do best, handing out hidings to Man Utd.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2008, 06:15:29 PM
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Times are tough when you are beaten at home by a team that Roddy Collins once managed


Roddy did them less damage than Risdale & co did to Leeds!

Leeds are a club I care very little for but have found myself looking for their results this year and (I feel dirty) hoping they do well and even get promoted. I just feel that deducting 15 points was completely unfair and punishing the wrong people - the players and supporters - who had fcuk all to do with the reasons for the penalty.

Good luck in the final. Next season will see normal service resumed with me hoping ye lose every game!

Thanks Seanie, at least you have compassion for the unfairness at which weve been punished this year, which is commendable. Next yr perfectly understandable that we will lose the sympathy vote which we are getting across the board this yr from alot of other club fans. I have to say i love supporting leeds ;D , never a dull moment and always a rollercoaster.

15pts who gives a f*ck we are leeds and we are going up!!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 17, 2008, 04:32:13 PM
The tide is definitly turning in our favour. I actually met BATES on the day of game last monday. He was friendly enough. Also told us that plans are in place to build 2 hotels and amusement centre where the leeds shop is and build a new shop. Something similiar to what he did at Chelsea. On/Off the field Leeds are coming good at last. I think were in safe enough hands at the minute.

I met Bates once too. He was always a c**t in the media but as he saved Chelsea he was alright in my eyes. Anyhow I had been going to SB a few years and had ever seen Capt Birdsye at all.

One day after a game I seen him leave the ground, and he was getting a photo with a couple of young kids. I was courteous and stood back, and then asked him would he mind if I got a photo with him. 'no you can piss off' he said!

To say I was stunned would be an understatement. The old red rage descended, and I went down the street after him, and told him he can 'shove his picture up his arse'! He backed off then pleading innocence.

He is an ignorant old hoor but I've always had some admiration for him.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 26, 2008, 07:22:07 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=238878&lid=sublink010&lpos=headlines_main

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Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment's search for an English football club appears to have focused on the North of England.

According to a report in the British newspaper the Sunday Mirror, MLSE has begun preliminary talks that would see the organization acquire Leeds United.

Leeds United currently competes in League One, England's third division, and would reportedly welcome investors that would provide the team with the financial might to return to the Premier League.

MLSE president Richard Peddie recently visited England last month to meet with a number of clubs, including Southhampton and Reading.

"It is a very interesting area where we feel many of our ideas would work," said Peddie.

MLSE currently owns the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Toronto Raptors and Major League Soccer franchise Toronto FC.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 26, 2008, 07:28:14 PM
Just too depressed to give a f*ck about takeovers. Feels like a relegation yday. Have to look at the ffing league 1 table for another year :'(.

Only thing that would depress me more is Sligo losing to mayo. Better not happen. I dont think I could take Leeds in league 1 and sligo in TM cup at the same time.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 26, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
It was a bad day for Leeds, but we have no one to blame other than ourselves. The occasion seemed to get to us, and we were lucky to get to the break at 0-0. However, if we had kept it tight at the start of the second half, Doncaster were bound to get frustrated. Instead, after one minute, we left their centre forward standing at the penalty spot unmarked from a corner. After that, we relied on the long ball far too much and our crossing was dreadful. The only person who might have changed things was Freedman, and he was inexplicably replaced by the ineffective Kandol. In fairness to the team, it was such a roller coaster season that they were nearly bound to tire at the very end. At least we will hopefully start level with everyone else the next time round. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 12, 2008, 09:26:04 PM
Time to dust this one down as the new season kicked off last Saturday. Excellent 2-1 win away to Scunthorpe who were playing in the Championship last year. From reports, Leeds struggled somewhat in the first half and then went behind after the break. However great comeback saw Jermaine Beckford re-enact many of last year's matches by getting a late winner. Reports seem to suggest that new signing Robert Snodgrass was very impressive.

Just checked on the latest score in the Carling Cup tonight and Leeds are already 5-1 up after thirty five minutes at Chester. In your face Chester!!   8)

Seriously - this is the first season that I have felt someway optimistic about Leeds in some seven years or more, i.e. no points or money owed to anyone! Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 09:32:23 PM
Leeds will surely win League 1 this year? To reach the playoffs last year with a 15 point deficit AND Dennis Wise to contend with was a great achievement. With McAllister and a level playing field, Leeds should have too much for the other teams.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ExiledGael on August 12, 2008, 09:44:06 PM
Don't forget about Stan though.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 23, 2008, 07:05:31 PM
Leeds will surely win League 1 this year? To reach the playoffs last year with a 15 point deficit AND Dennis Wise to contend with was a great achievement. With McAllister and a level playing field, Leeds should have too much for the other teams.

Hmmm - nothing like Leeds to deflate any optimism one might have. Well beaten at home last week by bogey side Oldham. Then took an early lead at Yeovil today through new signing Luciano Becchio before escaping with a draw! Still - closer to the top than this time last year!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 14, 2008, 04:18:28 PM
Swindon 1 Leeds 3.

Great result considering we were down to 10 men after 7 mins with sheehan sent off. Becks got 2 and kilkenny a 30 yd freekick.

Weve got some amount of goals lately and its great to see. Its looking promising and hope we go on a run.

Happy enough with the start to the season. Doing well in carling cup aswell with hartlepool at home in the 3rd round. It all adds to confidence. Some good young players at leeds now, this delph lad looks class act and in fairness mcallister has bought well in the summer with becchio snodgrass and robinson.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 15, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
Agreed that they are beginning to hit a bit of form, but having seen the goals from the Swindon game tonight, (the defending was  :-X for all three), it brought a bit of realism to thoughts of promotion. The thirty yard free kick went straight into the keeper's arms and he somehow let it in. Still, all presents readily accepted!  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 20, 2008, 02:42:15 PM
Now that was a seriously decent win - repeat of the win at Brunton Park last May.

I'm beginning to feel optimistic! I'm worried!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 20, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
Three wins on the bounce have taken us to second in the table. We are looking solid at the back, strong in midfield and scoring plenty of goals, so everything looks good at this stage. As long as we hold on to Beckford and Delph when the transfer window comes round, automatic promotion is a reasonable prospect.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on September 20, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
Three wins on the bounce have taken us to second in the table. We are looking solid at the back, strong in midfield and scoring plenty of goals, so everything looks good at this stage. As long as we hold on to Beckford and Delph when the transfer window comes round, automatic promotion is a reasonable prospect.

Heres hoping.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 06, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
Time to drag this one back into the light of day. Since early November the form has been indifferent to say the least. Played very well in defeat at Derby in the League Cup but had the proverbial nightmare last week at Histon in the FA Cup. The exit from the Cup was of no great significance, but the manner of the defeat was, with the defence being shown up again. Those watching on a regular basis seem to point to the centre of the defence being a real weakness whilst midfield and the attack are showing up quite well.

Having watched the Histon nightmare, I thought it was commendable that Leeds tried to play decent football, on the ground. However I wonder if the need is for artisans rather than artists, i.e. get the sleeves rolled up and get stuck in. It was how Wilkinson got Leeds out of the old second division in 1990 - once in the First Division, he off loaded a number of players who got Leeds there. Either way, I'd like to think Macca has a few ideas up his sleeve when the transfer window opens to strengthen things at the back - otherwise promotion will quickly fade away for another season!   :(    The Tranmere defeat now leaves Leeds nine points off the top, and whilst there is still plenty of time, a poor run would leave Leeds totally out of it!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 06, 2008, 06:16:15 PM
It's been a bad oul run for the last month Rufus - lucky that St. Ita's are keeping me interested in soccer.  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 06, 2008, 08:25:07 PM
It's been a bad oul run for the last month Rufus - lucky that St. Ita's are keeping me interested in soccer.  ;)

I hope Boots Og is still knocking them in Billy!   :)
Title: Leeds set about newest initiative to make friends. :)
Post by: Billys Boots on December 23, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
From BBC website:

Grayson appointed Leeds manager   

Leeds United have appointed Simon Grayson as their new manager, the club have confirmed.

The 39-year-old leaves his post as Blackpool boss to take over the League One side, who sacked Gary McAllister on Sunday after five successive defeats.

Blackpool had initially refused Leeds permission to speak to the former Aston Villa defender on Monday.

A statement on the Blackpool website confirms the club are now looking into legal action against Grayson and Leeds.

"Blackpool FC can confirm that Simon Grayson tendered his resignation on Tuesday morning," the statement read.

"The resignation was not accepted by the board of directors and the club and are now considering legal action against both Grayson and Leeds."

The Yorkshireman, who started his career as a Leeds trainee, guided Blackpool to promotion to the Championship in 2007 after two years in charge. 

As a player he made two senior appearances for the Elland Road club, before joining Leicester City in 1992. A £1.3m move to Villa followed five years later.

Grayson was installed as favourite for the Leeds job on Monday ahead of former Leeds coach Aidy Boothroyd and ex-assistant manager Gus Poyet.

Leeds began looking for their ninth manager in the last 10 years after relieving McAllister of his duties a day after his side lost 3-1 to MK Dons.

That was Leeds's seventh defeat in nine matches, a sequence which has seen them slide to ninth in the table, 15 points adrift of leaders Leicester and 11 off the second automatic promotion slot.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on May 14, 2009, 03:11:32 PM
MASSIVE MASSIVE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 14, 2009, 04:13:37 PM
My wee brother's a Leeds fan, and has always talked about heading over. He got 2 tickets for this game there at the weekend.

What a civilised first game to go to!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 14, 2009, 05:32:44 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
How many peelers? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 14, 2009, 05:40:56 PM
39,000 tickets sold for tonight.
How many peelers? 

Quite a few, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 14, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Sadly, we blew it again. We didn't play particuarly well, and Millwall were strong at the back, but the missed penalty was a killer. It drained our confidence, and, even when we did score, we looked a bit vulnerable afterwards. Their goal duly arrived, but all our defenders seemed to freeze when the ball came across the face of the goal.

A  third season in the third division is hard to take, but we should have the right manager now and it must be automatic promotion the next time round. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 14, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
Sadly, we blew it again. We didn't play particuarly well, and Millwall were strong at the back, but the missed penalty was a killer. It drained our confidence, and, even when we did score, we looked a bit vulnerable afterwards. Their goal duly arrived, but all our defenders seemed to freeze when the ball came across the face of the goal.

A  third season in the third division is hard to take, but we should have the right manager now and it must be automatic promotion the next time round. Onwards and upwards.

I was pulling for Leeds because of the like of Rufus and other Leeds supporters on here. I hope that next go round they get the job done, they are too big a club to be languishing in was in effect Division three.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
Cheers for that Stew!

As I wrote elsewhere, that's at least one more year in the wilderness and the dream of the Premiership is as far away as ever.   :'(

It will be at least 2011 before Leeds are back in the top flight - but in reality it could be a decade or more. Leeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

Never felt comfortable with the match itself, even after going one up, and were caught by a sucker punch. Didn't do enough to be honest in the two legs to justify going through. Becchio has come on in leaps and bounds this year, but for all Beckford's goals, he still blows hot and cold.

I still reckon Grayson is a good manager, and with a full season at the helm, I'd be optimistic next year about automatic promotion, although that said, the thought of three relatively big clubs coming down would tend to dampen that optimism somewhat.

There does appear though to be a real need to bounce straight back after relegation, as Leicester showed - those 15 points last year, which cost that automatic second place, still weigh heavily - even now!

B@!!@cks!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: longball on May 15, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Cant see Beckford or Delph staying now thou.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
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Leeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?).  Not convinced by Beckford either, and I'm not sure they'll get much for him.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 15, 2009, 09:45:26 AM
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Leeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?).  Not convinced by Beckford either, and I'm not sure they'll get much for him.
In the 5th minute of injury time last night, Leeds needed a goal to force extra time and Beckford is engaging in handbags with a Millwall player in the middle of the park, stinking attitude.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 16, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
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Leeds are in danger of becoming an established third tier team.

I feared that, having seen them a few times on the telly this year.  With the income they now have, a decent manager, and debts cleared, it shouldn't take a decade to get back Rufus (will it?). 

Grayson does seem to be a very good manager alright Billy, given his record at Blackpool and how he steadied the Leeds boat this season after coming in at Christmas. He is also a big Leeds fan - I assume he is a local lad, so there would be added incentive to stay and do well.

I could see him getting Leeds up in the next couple of seasons, but I'd be afraid that unless something else happens - new owners with fresh investment - then the Championship is going to be the height of their ambitions. Uncle Ken does not appear to have the resources needed to make a difference.

I don't think it is a coincidence that it seems to be the same group of teams that are bouncing back and forward between the Premiership and the Championship, and I reckon these 'parachute payments' simply put the Birmingham / WBAs / Watfords of this world on a different spending plane from, for example the Plymouth Argyles / Barnsleys / QPRs of this world.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 16, 2009, 07:41:24 AM
Disaster, absolutely gutted, just cant believe we didnt get up this yr and form we were in going into the play offs.

With Norwich, Southampton and Charlton coming down it will be even harder next yr.

 :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

But Grayson is a good manager so were in good hands, some Leeds support the other night and gave millwall a clap aswell after the game. We deserve better than L1.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 19, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
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I reckon these 'parachute payments' simply put the Birmingham / WBAs / Watfords

That would indeed appear to be the case Rufus, it means they have the big spending power in the division, and should be able to buy thier way back.  C'mon Burnley. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: town lad on July 19, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
Any off you guys venture to the Oval on Saturday?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on July 19, 2009, 11:47:46 PM
Any off you guys venture to the Oval on Saturday?

Had thought about going up, but was dependent on a few lads that I know through work going. That fell through and I didn't fancy venturing up on my own.

Heard they won 3-1 - any reports? I know they drew 2-2 with Shelbourne, and he played more or less two teams - Beckford got both those goals!

Have been disappointed to date at the lack of new names coming in! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 01, 2009, 12:17:54 PM
Played 5 won 5, impressive start. Graysons a quality manager, did a great job at Blackpool , we got 8 million for Delph not bad for a player just out of our youth system, looks good player and should make it, hope we keep Beckford today....

we drew Liverpool at home in Carling cup, should get a big crowd..things looking up for us at last.

Stockport at home this weekend.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: WeAreBlueWeAreWhite on September 01, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
Things will only start looking up for Leeds when they are no longer playing teams like Stockport at the weekends
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 22, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
Dirty Leeds heads  ;)

Any of you ever read The Damned United?, picked her up last week, it's not exactly kind to that great Leeds side, enjoyable read but doesn't half portray Brian Clough as a nutter...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 22, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
Theres a movie aswell, have to say i enjoyed both.

Leeds Utd V Liverpool tonight in front of sold out Elland Rd in carling cup, won 7 drew 1 in L1, not a bad start...

Come on Leeds................
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 23, 2009, 08:52:31 AM
Good display last night, glad it didn't go to extra time with an important away game on Saturday.

I've been recommending that book for a long time Dinny, a great read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 23, 2009, 09:15:44 AM
Ya great display last night, jees snoddy and johnson are playing well. Defence looked solid and wing backs were impressive especially crowe, seems to have solved our flanks problem under mcallister. Grayson is top quality manager. Pity we didnt get the win. At least deserved a replay. But all in all looking at the bigger picture it was probably the best end scenario, we can concentrate on the league till FA cup anyhow and we gained alot of confidence. Was impressed at the pace of our attacks and fitness levels and some of our passing was fantastic. MK Dons at the weekend big game. Bring it on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 23, 2009, 11:23:39 AM
Beware the Dons.  Need to get closer to the top and stay there this time.  We don't do play offs well!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 02:03:15 PM
Leeds v Charlton heading for a 39,000 sell out at Elland Road for a League one match thats unreal.

Leeds City Council have agreed to buy thorp arch from a manchester based firm and sale and leasback to Leeds united, great deal and secures our future. We buy it back in 14 yrs. It was sold to pay off our debt a few yrs ago.

So good news all round. Super Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: town lad on October 02, 2009, 03:36:47 PM
It is great to see Leeds on there way back, but as the upper part of the East Stand is not open tomorrow the crowd will be about 32,000. Still great for League 1.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 02, 2009, 04:26:49 PM
I read it on the leeds website, said only 1000 tickets left and none on sale on the day and that was it. Not like bates to close the upper tier when he'd sell a fair few. Didnt read that anywhere but have to take your word for it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 31, 2009, 05:05:38 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on November 25, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2009, 05:56:19 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 25, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.

Dont forget about your new team Sligo aswell ;)

Great win again last night, looking good this yr. Hopefully the tide has turned. Rough couple of yrs.

But your right, Leeds are cheap now, and the value would sky rocket when we get back to premier. The fanbase cant be matched n league one so wed have more money, the fans stayed loyal, huddersfield crowd will be huge. Even the championship we'd have bigger crowds than most. Huge potential. No debts but sold the thorp arch and elland rd but have buy back priority.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2009, 07:10:11 PM
4-0 win again today  ;D

7pts clear, great reaction to the millwall game.

Still undefeated since the Millwall game.  Another late winner... i make that 4 draws and 1 deafeat all turned into victories in the last 10mins.  Thats the kinda form your looking for to gain the title and automatic promotion. Although admittedly the millwall game was a draw turned into defeat in the last 10mins!

When I win the megabucks lotto over here I am buying Leeds, they will be a premiership team inside of three years. I hope they inflict further misery on rafa.

Dont forget about your new team Sligo aswell ;)

Great win again last night, looking good this yr. Hopefully the tide has turned. Rough couple of yrs.

But your right, Leeds are cheap now, and the value would sky rocket when we get back to premier. The fanbase cant be matched n league one so wed have more money, the fans stayed loyal, huddersfield crowd will be huge. Even the championship we'd have bigger crowds than most. Huge potential. No debts but sold the thorp arch and elland rd but have buy back priority.

No can do Sligonian, I would stick ten mil into an academy in Armagh for the development of our players, the rest would be spent buying a golf course in Florida or Spain or somewhere. Nine months abroad and three months in Ireland sounds good to me.  ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 03, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds
We are Leeds

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
yeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

what a result what a result :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Super Leeds
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 03, 2010, 03:03:25 PM
Some performance from them. Will that be Beckford's last game? Linked with Newcastle and alot of Championship clubs will be after him now in January as he's out of contract in summer.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 03, 2010, 03:06:38 PM
He was the best striker on show today. Newcastle will not get him cheap if the rest of the forwards on show is anything to go by. How much was Berbatov?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 03, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
Jees all the pain of the last few yrs, all came out of me today and were banished to the past, even with better leeds teams thats the first time ive seen leeds win at old trafford....what a day.........ecstatic.....we are on the up for sure...

Leeds till I die...marching on together,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 04:37:17 PM
Oh Yes, Oh Yes!!!

Absolutely treeeeeeeemendous!!!!   

I'm absolutely elated after that, and Sir's interview was the icing on the cake!!   :-*
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
Oh Yes, Oh Yes!!!

Absolutely treeeeeeeemendous!!!!   

I'm absolutely elated after that, and Sir's interview was the icing on the cake!!   :-*

are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 03, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Why don't you go back to the start of the thread you just posted on?    ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 03, 2010, 05:04:53 PM
are you a leeds fan or abu?

not surprising most of the comment's on here are from City,arse & pool fan's

Why don't you go back to the start of the thread you just posted on?    ::)

fair enough so
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 03, 2010, 05:50:46 PM
Nice start to the year.  ;D

Beckford's mad if he thinks he has a better future away from that team. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on January 03, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Lads, I'll apologise in advance for Spurs bringing you back to reality! ;D

Still the top flight isn't the same without you and on to-day's performance it'll not be long till you're back where you belong. ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 03, 2010, 08:49:47 PM
Nice start to the year.  ;D

Beckford's mad if he thinks he has a better future away from that team.

It depeds on who gets him and what weekly wage he'd be on. He would be mad to leave.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 04, 2010, 10:01:58 AM
I understand that Leeds are going to make him a daft offer too in the next few weeks.  Ray Ransom must be rubbing his mitts in glee.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 04, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
Lads, I'll apologise in advance for Spurs bringing you back to reality! ;D

Still the top flight isn't the same without you and on to-day's performance it'll not be long till you're back where you belong. ;)

if leeds perform like they did v united they should have no problem knocking spurs out too, after all a full spurs team couldn't even beat uniteds 2nd team in the carling cup a few weeks ago
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
The visit to Spurs will be another glamour game, and it was a bit striking that we were the last team out of the hat for the second draw in a row, but it does not really matter if we lose. The priority was always automatic promotion, and the triumph at Old Trafford proved that we are a club which deserves to be in the top grade. It was probably our best performance since the Champions League days of 00/01, and possibly our best away league result since the 91/92 championship season. Beckford going would be a blow, but it is much more important to keep Grayson
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2010, 09:39:00 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm

They will probably be in the same division next season so he is as well where he is.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 11, 2010, 09:42:44 PM
He's quoted in tonights Yorkshire Evening Post that he is definately not leaving and his ideal situation is the prem with Leeds!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on January 11, 2010, 09:44:41 PM
hope he stays where he is

Leeds are on the up and long term would be a better bet than Burnley
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 11, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
not good news for Leeds fans   Grayson is linked with the Burnley job

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/8451692.stm

They will probably be in the same division next season so he is as well where he is.

Spot on.  I think he would be mad to move now,  Leeds will be in the Championship next season and will be relishing it, he is best off staying.  Now if he could only get Beckford to stay.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 23, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
Super Leeds Great result, great performance again,

Full House Elland Road to look forward too, Marching on Together...........need to pick it up again in the league aswell though,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 23, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
ha ha good man yourself Sligonian

not sure about that penalty at the end but hey Leeds deserved at least a Replay, Beckford looked as good as any of the Spurs strikers today says a lot really!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
well done Leeds, they fought till the last and earned a moneyspinning replay against the Spurs.

I am happy for the leeds heads on here, that team is showing they have what it takes to compete with the big boys.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: clarshack on January 23, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on January 24, 2010, 02:21:11 AM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.

when Man United were relegated in 1974 they were still getting some of the biggest crowds in England!

Everyone know's Liverpool &  Man United are the two biggest named clubs in England & maybe the world, having Genuine Fan's sticking by them will never be a problem

Better to Compare Leeds with Man city they also dropped two divisions & the hardcore fan's remained
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 24, 2010, 06:08:13 PM
Super Leeds Great result, great performance again,

Full House Elland Road to look forward too, Marching on Together...........need to pick it up again in the league aswell though,

Am seriously worried about the important job getting done - getting promoted; this shite gets another 10 days run, and a trip to Carlisle midweek for the Daf Trucks whatyamacallit before another tough fixture against Colchester on Saturday.  And Norwich have gone top.  Jaysus.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 26, 2010, 10:15:16 PM

Am seriously worried about the important job getting done - getting promoted; this shite gets another 10 days run, and a trip to Carlisle midweek for the Daf Trucks whatyamacallit before another tough fixture against Colchester on Saturday.  And Norwich have gone top.  Jaysus.

Agreed Billy - I share your worries which, after tonight, have now multiplied tenfold. It would appear that this Cup run is becoming too much of a distraction - Leeds have had a couple of great Cup nights - time now to bid it good-bye before the primary aim of the season disappears in a puff of smoke!   >:(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: muppet on January 26, 2010, 10:30:50 PM
was never a fan of leeds but fair play to them and the genuine fans for sticking by them. will be interesting to see how many utd and liverpool fans stick by their club when they go the same way.

when Man United were relegated in 1974 they were still getting some of the biggest crowds in England!

Everyone know's Liverpool &  Man United are the two biggest named clubs in England & maybe the world, having Genuine Fan's sticking by them will never be a problem

Better to Compare Leeds with Man city they also dropped two divisions & the hardcore fan's remained

Yea but they didn't even notice.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 31, 2010, 07:43:27 AM
Back in Business in the League thankfully :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 01, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
Hopefully the cup distraction will be over this week.  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 30, 2010, 11:34:39 PM
A while since this one has seen the light of day, and boy have things taken a turn for the worse in the interim. I'd be very interested to see a league table for Division One based solely on points won in 2010 - I'd hazard a guess Leeds would be in relegation trouble. As of now though, Norwich look to have the league wrapped up, and it's all to play for as regards the second automatic promotion spot. I do not fancy another go at the play offs, but at the minute it is looking likely.

Anyway - a few rambling thoughts.

With each passing (bad) result, the following match becomes even more important - into that category comes the Swindon match on Saturday - lose that, and the likelihood is that Leeds will be in fourth place come Saturday night - the first time outside the top two since August. I have little basis for my optimism, but I can see Leeds turning Swindon over on Saturday, and getting the season back on track. The performance against Norwich was very promising and Leeds were somewhat unlucky to go down to a late goal. The loss of Patrick Kisnorbo though (in the Millwall game) to an achilles injury is a real body blow.

There are also rumours of rows between Grayson and Beckford - some have explained Beckford's absence for the Millwall game as the result of this - but as of now I would be playing him regardless - he'll be off into the sunset in a short space of time anyway.

If Leeds can beat Swindon on Saturday, and win at Yeovil on Monday (live on Sky), then I'd be a lot more hopeful. The one daunting fixture on the horizon is the trip to Charlton on the second last day of the season - I would not like to be depending on a win there for automatic promotion. Still all to play for! Come on Leeds!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on March 30, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
A while since this one has seen the light of day, and boy have things taken a turn for the worse in the interim. I'd be very interested to see a league table for Division One based solely on points won in 2010 - I'd hazard a guess Leeds would be in relegation trouble. As of now though, Norwich look to have the league wrapped up, and it's all to play for as regards the second automatic promotion spot. I do not fancy another go at the play offs, but at the minute it is looking likely.

Anyway - a few rambling thoughts.

With each passing (bad) result, the following match becomes even more important - into that category comes the Swindon match on Saturday - lose that, and the likelihood is that Leeds will be in fourth place come Saturday night - the first time outside the top two since August. I have little basis for my optimism, but I can see Leeds turning Swindon over on Saturday, and getting the season back on track. The performance against Norwich was very promising and Leeds were somewhat unlucky to go down to a late goal. The loss of Patrick Kisnorbo though (in the Millwall game) to an achilles injury is a real body blow.

There are also rumours of rows between Grayson and Beckford - some have explained Beckford's absence for the Millwall game as the result of this - but as of now I would be playing him regardless - he'll be off into the sunset in a short space of time anyway.

If Leeds can beat Swindon on Saturday, and win at Yeovil on Monday (live on Sky), then I'd be a lot more hopeful. The one daunting fixture on the horizon is the trip to Charlton on the second last day of the season - I would not like to be depending on a win there for automatic promotion. Still all to play for! Come on Leeds!!   :)
Depressed with Leeds at the minute, heard the same on beckford/Grayson....its going to be hard to get going again and winnings a habit, so you know Play offs beckons IMO. Swindon will be tough.... anyways Leeds till I die.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 31, 2010, 12:08:25 AM
Never say die lads. We have been on a dreadful run but we are still in the top two and by all accounts Norwich was our best performance for months. If we can manage a win at home to Swindon, the remaining fixtures before the trip to Charlton look reasonable on paper. Saturday is a huge day so bring it on.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 31, 2010, 09:14:17 AM
I'm very fearful - they can turn it on for the big games, but are sadly lacking in the humdrum fixtures.  A normal end-of-season beckons, sadly.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on April 03, 2010, 04:21:36 PM
Leeds have gone to the dogs since their FA Cup exploits. 3-0 down at home to Swindon today which puts Swindon into 2nd place and Leeds drop to 4th.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 03, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Leeds have gone to the dogs since their FA Cup exploits. 3-0 down at home to Swindon today which puts Swindon into 2nd place and Leeds drop to 4th.

Down to fourth, and level on points with fifth placed Charlton. There is a gap of six points to Huddersfield and Colchester in sixth and seventh, and bearing in mind that seventh is outside the play offs, there would be now a real danger of missing out totally - although given their current form, I'm not sure it matters much!!  :-[
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on April 03, 2010, 05:27:43 PM
Thought Leeds were home and dry at Xmas. Surely another season in the third division (can't get my head round this Premier, Championship,League One crap) will be too much for a loyal support to take
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2010, 05:58:40 PM
Don't worry Tony, the Leeds support will still be there regardless, but the recent decline has been incredible. I honestly thought we would beat Swindon today and get the show back on the road for the run-in, but we are going from bad to worse. That is four defeats on the bounce, with seven conceded and none scored. It would have been almost impossble to allow the sale of Beckford after he got the winner at Old Trafford, but his goals have dried up since then and no one else can seem to step up to the plate. While Grayson had a fine start to his time at Elland Road, his record with loan players lately looks very questionable.  Leeds have made play-offs on four occasions, going back to 1987, without ever managing to secure promotion. A fifth attempt, assuming we actually stay in the top six, would strain the nerve ends.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 05, 2010, 09:57:40 PM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.

Agree with that - should have been out of sight after twenty minutes of the second half, but one stupid mistale let Yeovil back in and then you could sense the mental fragility. Gradel was excellent, but Naylor for me was Leeds best player - not just the two goals, but the way he dominated when Yeovil were throwing everything in to the penalty area at the end.

If Leeds can take heart from this, there is no reason why any of the remaining fixtures are not winnable. Both Millwall and Swindon have difficult fixtures to come, and indeed still have to play each other.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 06, 2010, 12:29:05 AM
A fine performance today for two-thirds of the match, and a huge sweat towards the end. After starting the second half two up, it was shooting practice for the next 15 minutes and we really should have got at least another three. However, one bad goal turned things round and we might even have have drawn a game which we largely dominated. Gradel was brilliant, and could be the forward to rescue us. Six matches to go,including the trip to Charlton, and everything to play for.

Agree with that - should have been out of sight after twenty minutes of the second half, but one stupid mistale let Yeovil back in and then you could sense the mental fragility. Gradel was excellent, but Naylor for me was Leeds best player - not just the two goals, but the way he dominated when Yeovil were throwing everything in to the penalty area at the end.

If Leeds can take heart from this, there is no reason why any of the remaining fixtures are not winnable. Both Millwall and Swindon have difficult fixtures to come, and indeed still have to play each other.

I worry about the defence, it Doyles mistake for the goal but Naylor was poor defending the shot, he never got close enough and opened his legs in the tackle which is no-no. Yeovil put feck all pressure on Leeds and we looked like panicking, that scares me. The next 3 fixtures look good on paper so hopefully we'll kick on. Beckford annoyed me today, didnt work half as hard as gradel imo and thats not on. I thought Howson was very poor aswell, and defensively Doyle and Kilkenny left alot to be desired. PLayed better football, but Leeds need to score 3 goals a game nearly to win as I think we'lll concede. I like Grayson to be honest, hope he sorts the defence out more though.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 06, 2010, 11:08:35 AM
If leeds finish 3rd and end up in the play offs - get all your money on huddersfield to dump them out in the semi final!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 13, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
3 wins in a row and back to second with Millwall drawing.

This second place is a rollercoaster at the minute. 4 games to go.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 14, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
Away to Gillingham on Saturday - must win.  Then home to MK Dons.  Then the crucial game - away to Charlton on May 1st.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 16, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Big Result for Leeds tonight as form team Millwall are starting to stutter, theyve lost to Huddersfield tonight. Great result for us, hoefully tomorrow we may open a 4pt gap to them.

Remember Millwall v Swindon is last game and ours is Bristol Rovers at home. Charlton away is huge. Cmon Leeds.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 16, 2010, 11:26:02 PM
Big Result for Leeds tonight as form team Millwall are starting to stutter, theyve lost to Huddersfield tonight. Great result for us, hoefully tomorrow we may open a 4pt gap to them.

Remember Millwall v Swindon is last game and ours is Bristol Rovers at home. Charlton away is huge. Cmon Leeds.

Watched the match tonight, roaring on the Terriers. IF Leeds can beat the Gills, then a serious opportunity presents itself. Charlton play Norwich tomorrow, so obviously points will be dropped there. Win tomorrow and Leeds are four clear over Millwall with three to play - call me optimistic, but I'm hoping the Charlton game won't matter!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 17, 2010, 05:41:29 PM
The Leeds revival came to an abrupt halt today, although at least we showed some fight by coming back from three down away to Gillingham after just over half an hour by pulling it back to 3-2 by the end. However, other results over the weekend went very well for us as, of our three main rivals for the final automatic promotion slot, Swindon only drew at home while Charlton and Millwall both lost. We are still holding on to second place by a single point, but we will still definitely go up if we can somehow win our last three games. This is going to be a big sweat.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 01, 2010, 03:31:30 PM
Im watching the Leeds game live on here

http://www.firstrow.net/watch/17574/1/watch-charlton-athletic-vs-leeds-united.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
It's all down to the last game now, which we would have taken at the start of the season and looked a remote prospect only a month ago. Elland Road is a 38,000 sell-out, which sometimes piles the pressure on the players, but Bristol Rovers have nothing to play for. There is an outside chance that a draw would do, but surely with automatic promotion guarenteed for a win we will finally get out of this division. While you can never be sure with Leeds, it is a fantastic opportunity.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
Disappointed we didnt get the goal last sat, grayson had 5 strikers on at the end trying to win it, as we knew tranmere were winning it was the right thing to do, but we got caught pushing too many forward, we played well in patches, and created some clearcut chances.

Huge pressure on Leeds on sat, one of the biggest games in our history imo, we have to get out of that division. 39,000 sell out, hope they roar the lads on to victory. Will try my best to watch it, and hope someone streams it on the net.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on May 05, 2010, 07:13:01 PM
It's Funny how Football works, in 2001 on 8th of May Leeds were playing in the Champions league semi final knowing a win or a score draw would get them to the Final! 9 years on a win here on the same day will get them back in the Championship on the Road to recovery


   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 05, 2010, 10:19:48 PM
It's Funny how Football works, in 2001 on 8th of May Leeds were playing in the Champions league semi final knowing a win or a score draw would get them to the Final! 9 years on a win here on the same day will get them back in the Championship on the Road to recovery

Poor money management have them in this prediciment but I tell you this, a savvy investor could make millions on the buying of leeds, they are a sleeping giant and if they get promoted they will greatly enhance the coffers of many's a championship side.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 05, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 05, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.

His grip would loosen if they got promoted, he would get a ton more than he put in and I am sure he would like to see the club have the resources to get to the next level after that.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 05, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
I think Ken Bates may have something to say about that.  It would be hard to prise it from his grasp.

He paid 10 million for Leeds and we would of went down under only for him. In fairness hes got us debt free (although we dont own the Elland rd or thorp arch) we have buy back arrangements though, and the support is still there, Leeds had 65,000 at the play off league 1 final with doncaster and thousands didnt get tickets. Also leeds has qualified as one of the staduims for the 2018 world cup bid for england, and plans for hotel at the ground and capacity increase to 51,000 are planned but we need to get back to the premiership.

He sold Chelsea and left them in good shape, its all about finding the right buyer, also hes getting older and he lives in monaco so he pass it on. I met him once outside elland rd and he is a bit of a obnoxious git even to leeds fans.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 05, 2010, 11:29:54 PM
He sold Chelsea and left them in good shape,

Not sure about that Sligonian - only Abramovich (sp) came in, Chelsea were going the same way as Leeds - unfortunately west London was more appealing to him than West Yorkshire.

To be honest, there's part of me feels strangely relaxed about it, i.e. if Leeds don't beat Bristol Rovers at home on Saturday, then they don't deserve to go up...........I probably won't be feeling like that though come Saturday afternoon!!!!!   :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 06, 2010, 09:25:49 AM
Yep, I'll be relaxed for the afternoon on Saturday too - as Rufus says, if they can't do the business on the day, they shouldn't be going up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on May 06, 2010, 10:40:46 AM
Just to get you in the mood ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wweh3ROiqWI

Get it done ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on May 08, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Well done Leeds, Football needs you back in the big time

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 08, 2010, 05:01:40 PM
delighted to see leeds up but feel so sorry for gillingham. they nearly made the premiership a few years ago if i remember right
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
Well i watched that game in full, Im so proud of the leeds players, down to 10 men and 1-0 down, and to comeback, absolutley exctatic....played great stuff when the chips were down.

My legs were shaking i was so nervous for the last 15mins

lets go fking mental

Super Leeds

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 08, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
Super(ish) Leeds back in the big(ish) time. They hate Man Yoo so they can't be bad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AFS on May 08, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
Hardy and the boys won't like those scenes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
SUPER LEEDS UNITED

8)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 08, 2010, 05:27:04 PM
Fair play to leeds - certaintly did it the hard way today!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 05:31:32 PM
Sligo getting promoted,

Leeds getting promoted,

Knocking man u out of the FA Cup at old trafford,

Its been a good 2010 for me so far  8)

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
If you watch the keepers throw again, beckford got his head on it, which took the power out of it.

Beckfords disallowed goal was a fcking ridiculuos decision as clear as day came to him from there defender. I though gradel was unlucky enough to be sent off. I though we were fcked then, as we missed a few chances and looked to be feeling  the pressure.

Huge blow at start of 2nd half when they scored, I was sitting there pretty certain we wouldnt come back. Then howson came on and made big impact. Leeds played a high risk game, and attacked like there lives depended on it (it probably did) and then johnson missed a grat chance and then howson took his chance well outside the box. We kept it up and there keeper threw the ball, becks got the top of his head to it and it sat up well for johnson and then deflected off the defender to becks who finished well. Bromby hit the post late on from a header and we just about hung on.

Im a big fan of Grayson, he his way ahead of any of our recent mangers, so im delighted for him. He came down a division to manage us and left blackpool in good shape. Its hard to know now how we will do, we better defence imo, Kinsorbo was prob our best but he got injured. Im not a huge fan of doyle and kilkenny in the centre of midfield so I hope we strengthen there. I rate snodgrass highly but he seems to have lost form which is a worry.  Will Beckford stay now? I doubt it so we to strengthen there aswell.

Great day for Leeds, and we need to kick on now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on May 09, 2010, 02:35:17 AM
In fairness to Grayson, he turned the game tactically when we went behind. It took a lot of nerve to replace a defender (Lowry) with a midfielder (Howson) when Leeds only had ten men. However, Leeds took a grip on the match almost immediately and Howson's goal made all the difference. We had a bit of good fortune when their keeper misplaced a throw straight to Johnston before Beckford's clincher, but we have been overdue a change of luck. If we can strengthen the squad, back to back promotions should not be out of the question.
If you watch the keepers throw again, beckford got his head on it, which took the power out of it.

Beckfords disallowed goal was a fcking ridiculuos decision as clear as day came to him from there defender. I though gradel was unlucky enough to be sent off. I though we were fcked then, as we missed a few chances and looked to be feeling  the pressure.

Huge blow at start of 2nd half when they scored, I was sitting there pretty certain we wouldnt come back. Then howson came on and made big impact. Leeds played a high risk game, and attacked like there lives depended on it (it probably did) and then johnson missed a grat chance and then howson took his chance well outside the box. We kept it up and there keeper threw the ball, becks got the top of his head to it and it sat up well for johnson and then deflected off the defender to becks who finished well. Bromby hit the post late on from a header and we just about hung on.

Im a big fan of Grayson, he his way ahead of any of our recent mangers, so im delighted for him. He came down a division to manage us and left blackpool in good shape. Its hard to know now how we will do, we better defence imo, Kinsorbo was prob our best but he got injured. Im not a huge fan of doyle and kilkenny in the centre of midfield so I hope we strengthen there. I rate snodgrass highly but he seems to have lost form which is a worry.  Will Beckford stay now? I doubt it so we to strengthen there aswell.

Great day for Leeds, and we need to kick on now.

I am delighted for all the leeds heads on her, especially Rufus, leeds are coming back from the darkest days in their history and i hope the go out and strengthen the squad, they are back within touching distance of where they belong, in top flight English football.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on May 09, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
Congrats to all the Leeds heads on here.......brings the memories back.....The Scarborough Taps and waitng for the train to arrive with the opposition supporters......overturning cars in Beeston.....ah those were the days ;)

Hope they build on it for next season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 09:29:34 AM
Quote of the Week:

“Why has it been so difficult?” Leeds manager Simon Grayson was asked on Thursday.

“It’s Leeds United,” was his reply.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 10, 2010, 09:49:14 AM
Well done Dirty Leeds. One step closer.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 10, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Ya my Dad told me that, but cant see LUFC getting rid of Grayson. Hope its false.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 01:36:32 PM
Tony Cascarino was on the Matt Cooper show one evening last week and he says that he heard from someone in Leeds that Grayson was going regardless if Leeds were promoted or not.

Ya my Dad told me that, but cant see LUFC getting rid of Grayson. Hope its false.

From what he said (see above) last week, I'd have thought it was inevitable that he'd had enough of the, ahem, Yorkshire way. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: tyronefan on May 10, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
From what Cascarino was saying it was more  a case of Bates not being happy with how Leeds went in the second half of the season
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 10, 2010, 02:21:49 PM
You reckon Kenny-boy could 'convince' Roy Hodgson or Alan Curbishly to ply their trade in the West Riding?  Ay caramba!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 18, 2010, 10:47:07 AM
Bet you are all missing the excitement of the play offs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on May 31, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
Beckford away to Everton.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 31, 2010, 02:13:39 PM
I'm not entirely sure he'll be missed.  But sure he'll get his chance now to show us all how brilliant he has been telling us he is. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 31, 2010, 02:52:01 PM
We signed Casper Smeichel from Notts County last week, he got league 2 player of the yr. Good signing imo.

Grayson had a hard job managing beckford in the 2nd half of the season, he didnt turn up for training which saw him dropped for a game, his best performances were for his own gain, because he was trying to get a transfer away. Grayson pulled a great move giving him the ego boost before bristol by giving him the captains armband to ensure he was motivated and it worked. I'll not miss him much if we can replace his goals.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
I'm not entirely sure he'll be missed.  But sure he'll get his chance now to show us all how brilliant he has been telling us he is.

Agreed Billy. I honestly think he will struggle in the top flight, but I'll be interested to see him play against the top defences. Good luck to him anyway - his goals got Leeds up and that's the most important thing - for what it's worth, as a Leeds supporter, I've no issue with him moving on!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Cde on May 31, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 31, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on June 01, 2010, 08:16:05 AM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?


Tony Currie ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 01, 2010, 09:19:37 PM
we need a goal scorer in.

When Beckford wasnt scoring we had trouble getting scores from anyone else.

To be fair, Becchio stood up and was counted over the second half of the season, and weighed in with a lot of goals.

But you're right - more firepower is needed. Who's the lad from Sheffield United that Leeds are after?


Tony Currie ;)

 :D  Respect Hedley!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 07, 2010, 12:06:58 PM
Not a bad game (for the neutral) to start the season off.

Be nice to Nigel now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on August 07, 2010, 12:22:58 PM
Have to say im disappointed with Graysons buys, he seems to think paynter will replace beckford, which i think is ludocrious, but hope im wrong. I thought he'd go for bigger names. Pity he didnt get eustace who was brilliant for watford last night. Snodgrass is injured, Gradel is suspended and Kinorsbo is njured, so hopefuly the new lads will have gelled.

Great to be back in the championship, never thought i have to say those words. Derby today at 5.15 live on BBC, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: spuds on August 07, 2010, 06:12:27 PM
Leeds 1    2 Derby
 
half time
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on August 07, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
Kasper Schmeichel was outstanding today can't say the same about Leeds as they will have to improve on today's performance
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 07, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
Kasper Schmeichel was outstanding today can't say the same about Leeds as they will have to improve on today's performance

Spot on. A result that probably points to the fact that anything beyond retaining Championship status will be a bonus. I would hope Billy Paynter will bring goals, as Becchio, for all his heart, is limited in the extreme. Patrick Kisnorbo and Snodgrass would also add to the team big time. Keeper was brilliant - a real plus point.

All in all, a very enjoyable match, if a disappointing result!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on September 24, 2010, 11:18:53 PM
What it is to be a Leeds supporter - nabbed from Boards.ie - thanks to Mushy. This is a hoot if you have the inclination to read it!!

I blame Mark. I’d never left a Leeds match early until I started going with him.

‘Another one goes in and I’m off’, he says, or ‘If it’s still three nil with ten to go I’ll see you in the boozer’.

And on occasions I’ve followed him. I’ve not done it very often and it’s a pet hate to see fans leave early but I have done it. And it’s wasn’t to get a flyer out of the car park or to catch an earlier train but to escape whatever torture was being dished up on the pitch. How many times have I done it? Five maybe? And always with Mark. So, as I said, I blame him.

November 2003 and Leeds United were going through ‘a period of transition’, ‘a feet-finding mission’, ‘a rebuilding exercise’ if you will. In other words we were ****. Manager, Peter Reid had cobbled together a team from late summer deals, remnants of David O’Leary and Terry Venables’ previous endeavours and a Frenchmen called Cyril. Instantly forgettable recruits included the likes of Lamine Sakho, Zoumana Camara and Roque Junior. The latter, we seemed to be constantly reminded, was a World Cup winner for Brazil. However, what was never really apparent was the sport at which he was victorious. Rarely have I seen a defender so clearly out of his depth and comfort zone who fast-tracked incompetence to unprecedented levels. We were fighting for our Premiership lives and clearly losing the battle. And so to Portsmouth away.

It felt like the build up to a funeral, standing around and waiting for the coffin to arrive.

The previous Saturday we’d lost 4-1 at home to eventual champions, the invincible Arsenal team. An expected defeat perhaps but surely at Portsmouth we could get something and improve on our meagre eight points. Leading up to kick off there had been a power cut. Fratton Park was cast in early winter semi-darkness with only occasional cigarettes being lit providing brief moments of illumination. With no power, this meant no public address system and no music. It felt strangely subdued and the crowd were in the dark all round as to what was happening. Once 3pm had come and gone the sporadic singing of both sets of fans died away replaced by a gentle buzz of chatter in the cold gloom. It felt like the build up to a funeral, standing around and waiting for the coffin to arrive.

The kick off came eventually and within sixteen minutes Leeds were a goal down. Alan Smith equalised two minutes later but this was to be just a stay of execution. With Roque Junior (a World Cup winner, you know) proving to be as desperately inept in midfield as he was at the back, we were continually carved apart and on the stroke of half time Portsmouth made it 2-1. Early in the second half 3-1 soon followed. Hayden Foxe, a player I can only describe as having the mobility of a large wardrobe and who would later sign for us, swivelled to crack home a volley and make it four. It was too much. My mate, Mark, grunted something and we turned and shuffled away in silence. Up the terrace, down the steps, through the gates and away from Leeds United. We walked to Fratton Station in silence, with heads down and hands deep in pockets. The only sound was the Pompey crowd, cheering and chanting. Another roar meant another goal and another bullet to the heart. We stood on the train platform with one or two others and yet another cheer went up, 6-1. I gazed towards the stadium where I had stood a few minutes earlier. No ‘Useless b**tards’ was spat, no ‘let’s write this one off’ – we were going down and we knew it.

The journey back north seemed endless. I walked into the house and took a can of lager from the fridge, went upstairs and stared out of the window into the night. Then tears filled my eyes; a reaction I’d not anticipated. It was relegation we were staring at, not an imminent death for God’s sake! I hadn’t even realised that I could raise such emotion for Leeds. I thought back to 1982 and West Brom away, the last time Leeds were relegated. I didn’t go to the game but listened on the radio as we slipped to defeat and into the Second Division. The next day at school we had PE as the first lesson of the day, followed by Music. I went though the motions with little physical exertion, got showered and changed and trudged sombrely to the music room. Kids, mostly mates gathered at the windows awaiting my arrival. I saw them laughing and pointing as they scurried back to their desks upon seeing me. I walked into the classroom and on a supposed given cue; the music teacher struck the piano keys. He played jauntily and loud and the kids sang along, ‘Going down, going down, going down, going down, going down, going do – own…’ I stood in the doorway with wet hair and an Adidas sports bag while they all chanted at me. I didn’t buckle and waited until they’d finished, sat at my desk and took my books out. Twenty one years later and I think of it again. The hurt inside. I’m in my house staring out of the window with a drink in my hand and I’m twelve years old sitting at a desk in the music room. Once again Leeds were going down, going down, going down and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I finished my beer and went to bed hoping to wake up five years later.

Two years have passed and I’m on a train going to watch Leeds at Southampton. It was our second season down and despite going into the game in the dizzy position of fourth, things were not going quite to plan. We hadn’t taken maximum points from any of the previous five matches and the football being played was approaching and often beyond dreadful. The manager, Kevin Blackwell, when questioned on our form, continued to trot out his stock statements of how, when he had arrived at the club there was only him, Gary Kelly and the tea lady on the staff. It was true that following relegation and financial mismanagement the squad had been wearing thin but so were his excuses. With Kelly in the team at St.Mary’s that day was Paul Butler. Most teams have at some point employed the services of players who can best be described as a BRB (Big Rough b**tard). Think Micky Droy, Larry Lloyd, Sam Allardyce and so on. These are players who are there to stop others. Players who are not blessed with the finer nuances of the beautiful game perhaps. Paul Butler was our BRB. This man had somehow contrived to become internationally recognised for the art of stopping, albeit a single cap for Eire. He was cumbersome. He was a liability. He was ****. It was said that Butler was actually running the show behind the scenes so I’ll blame him for how poor we were at the time.

After traditional liquid refreshment I took my position in the ground with fellow seasoned away travellers, Mark and Smurf. So what delights were we about to be regally spoilt with? Would it be the nonchalant passing of previous Leeds v Southampton encounters, with the Whites carving the hapless Saints to ribbons or would we be playing with the swagger, style and beauty of Brazil 1970 or the Dutch team that followed?

‘I’ll tek a ****ing draw now’, said Mark.

Southampton were kind to us and sportingly waited until the twenty seventh minute to score their first. Theo Walcott ripped through us and two more goals followed with Leeds offering little resistance – three-nil down. Around me, people were shaking their heads both bemused and amused. It was as bad as it had ever been and nothing could get us out of it. Blackwell’s position was discussed amongst the faithful; formations weren’t working, players were out of position and there seemed to be no leadership. We couldn’t defend, we couldn’t attack and we couldn’t create. It wasn’t a case of where was the next win was coming from but where was the next goal? Mark thought long and hard about the dismal display of Leeds United as the last player left the field at half-time with the boos raining down. He bit his bottom lip and reflected on what he’d witnessed. This was a man of reason but also a champion ranter when given a suitable platform. But he was quiet. Thoughtful. What wrathful disdain was about to be ejected or would it be an optimistic rallying cry for the downtrodden troops? Here it comes. A glance round the ground, eyes narrowing, deep breath, lips apart…

‘Pint?’

He looked hopefully at me and Smurf. This was new territory. I was a fledgling member of ‘the early getaway club’ and a reluctant one at that. A half-time departure had never been mentioned on the application form. A couple of minutes from the end when getting hammered and drenched maybe but HALF TIME? This needed careful consideration and reasoned judgement. A whole new ball game you might say.

‘Aye’, I replied, ‘**** it’.

We itched along the row of seats and under the stand. Smurf followed, seemingly eager too for solace in alcohol. At the heavy red gates I turned and he was ten yards behind looking perplexed.

‘Where you off?’ he asked

‘Pub’

‘I thought you meant a drink in here. I’ll pass ta…’

Mark and I walked out of the ground with Smurf’s last words tapping away at our shoulders – ‘… owt could happen’.

We hurried through the damp streets back towards the city centre. It felt wrong to be leaving a ground where Leeds were still playing but as long-time sufferers we’d seen it all before. Why should we stay? For the thousandth time we’d got up at a daft time to travel two hundred miles only to be treated to clueless, directionless football. We were being embarrassed, AGAIN. We were being outfought, AGAIN. We were about to get tonked, AGAIN. And so we trotted on.

As the Guinness started to kick in I didn’t feel quite so bad any more at not being there.

This was no Portsmouth 6-1 and we chatted and joked and laughed at the spectacle we’d witnessed, almost revelling in how poor it had been. Walking into the pub we were met by twenty or so more like-minded Leeds fans, fellow early risers and complainants. All were laughing and drinking. There was nothing else you could do. But I felt uneasy, this wasn’t right, I shouldn’t have been there. I should have been back at the ground taking the defeat on the chin. What did the song say about up and downs and staying with Leeds forever? I felt detached as I drank my pint. The TV was on and a glance up confirmed that it was still 3-0 with twenty minutes to go. That would be a reasonably respectable score on reflection. Then, as I was still watching, the score changed and my phone vibrated with an incoming text. It was from Smurf. Butler, the BRB, had made it 3-1. A consolation goal. This was definite respectability now. As the Guinness started to kick in I didn’t feel quite so bad any more at not being there. Okay, I’d missed a goal but I was in a warm pub on a cold day watching the scores whilst chatting and relaxing.

Soon after, my phone buzzed again. I looked at it and my eyes widened in a slight panic. Robbie Blake had scored for Leeds – it was now 3-2 with thirteen minutes to go.

I forgot everything about warm pubs and cold days and stared at Mark, ‘If we ****ing score again…’ but I was shot down.

‘We won’t though, we’re Leeds. There’s more chance of me shagging the Pope.’

Mark was right. Both scenarios were highly unlikely. We’d staged comebacks before; the 4-3 wins at home to Derby and Liverpool for example, but these were at Elland Road in front of big noisy crowds, not at the other end of the country in the pissing rain. I kept on glancing at the TV, selfishly hoping for full-time and the match report, ‘Southampton 3 Leeds 2 – a spirited fightback was thwarted by stout home defending’, or ‘A respectable effort by Leeds but they couldn’t quite conjure up the all important equalizer. A third goal was to prove a bridge too…’ On the table my phone vibrated again. I couldn’t look. I daren’t. But I had to. Deep breath. Oh my good God, we’d just equalised. I felt empty as I raised my eyes from the text and told Mark the news and then how I was never listening to him again. David Healy had come off the sub’s bench and scored with an eighty-fourth minute penalty. This was bittersweet. I could only imagine the scenes in the Leeds end as fans tumbled over seats where I’d been sat, hugged each other and looked to the heavens.

I think I was still going on and on about the fact that I’d never left a match early before I’d met him to Mark when Smurf’s next text came in. Misspelt but clearly readable, it informed me that not only had Liam Miller now made it 4-3 to Leeds but that ‘WERE OFF FUKIN MENTL!’

I smiled, I had no option, and showed the phone to my disbelieving mate, took a long draw on my pint and declared, ‘We are never, ever, EVER, going to live this ****er down’.

How could they do it? How could Leeds possibly do this to me? The years of dedication I’d given them at home, away and in Europe. The credit card bills I’d racked up, the weddings I’d missed, the sickies I’d pulled – and this is how they reward me…by winning! The b**tards.

The result came up on the screen and a pub half full of Leeds fans could only shake their heads, or smile, or cry. The choice was ours. I was a victim of cliché as my jaw genuinely dropped and I was rendered speechless. I wanted the next match now. I wanted today to be five matches ago. I wanted it to be ‘Can you remember when Leeds came back to win 4-3 at Southampton?’ and I say, ‘God, that was some years ago now’. I dreaded the next few days. What was I possibly going to say when people ask how it was? Does it make up for all the bad times? Was it worth all the effort of getting there now? What the **** would I say? ‘Well actually I left at half-time because my tit of a mate said let’s go to the boozer’, But I was the tit because I’d followed him and as a consequence had missed probably Leeds’ greatest ever comeback for the sake of a few extra pints.

I woke up on the train fifteen minutes from home and checked my phone; twenty odd texts and numerous missed calls. I deleted them all and did what I knew I couldn’t put off any longer. The truth had to come out sooner or later. I typed a text, ‘Left at half time, missed all goals’ and sent it to everyone I could think of and turned the phone off. I thought of them all reading the message and saying. ‘I don’t believe it, what a dick’. So, in the following days I faced the backlash. Ridicule came in droves and I deserved every bit of it. No one let up – and why should they? I’d do the same to anyone else in that situation.

My wife, my work colleagues, my mates, the postman, in fact anyone who had spent more than eight seconds in my company seemed to rise up as one to rip the complete piss out of me. It was a long few days but the worst was yet to come. The Tuesday night after the fiasco, Leeds were at home to Burnley. I dreaded going into my usual home match pub but the inevitable had to be done and so I swallowed what minute speck of pride remained and opened the door. I did so just as Mark, the Pied Piper to my rat, was entering too. I knew we had to face the music but this was to be the London Philharmonic as, gathered in the corner, were all the lads we knew who’d stayed at half time and not thrown in the beer towel. They’d had their ‘ups and downs’ and they’d ‘marched on together’ while I’d been asking ‘for another in there and whatever he’s having’. A cheer went up when we were spotted and the insults came thick and fast. All I could see were mouths moving at a hundred miles per hour as they fought to be heard over each other. ‘Knobs’ was one frequently-used word, ‘tits’ another and a fair few ‘d**kheads’ were offered. None of these I could refute as being anything but the truth. We stood there taking the lot and other drinkers started sniggering and shaking their heads when they realised what we’d done. Everyone was mocking, even the bar staff.

Then I abandoned any loyalty I had, any ‘We’ll see it through together, mate’, and stepped back from Mark. Like a kid who’d just smashed a volley through the greenhouse window, I pointed in his direction, ‘It was him’ I said, ‘he made me do it.’ ‘He’s right’, Mark offered meekly, ‘it was my idea’ and shook his head with a hint of despair. Then the laughing continued and I felt bad for trying to wriggle out of something that I should have taken on the chin. But it was his idea.

We beat Burnley 2-0 that night. It was 0-0 at half-time and whilst I was still muttering feeble excuses regarding my early exit to anyone who’d listen a text came in from Mark that read:

‘Fancy a pint?’

I didn’t respond.

I don’t leave matches early any more. How could I? I’m shackled now, waiting for a repeat of Southampton away, waiting to put things right. I’ll be the one who’s still in the ground when we’re 5-0 down and the board’s gone up indicating two minutes of injury time thinking, ‘Come on, we can still do it, this could be the one, I could make amends, put the ghost to rest’. But it ain’t going to happen and I realise that. I ballsed up and there’s no denying it. Occasionally, I start making my way down the steps as the referee is looking at his watch. Or I might hover annoyingly at the exit to the displeasure of anyone whose view I’m selfishly blocking. But in the main my arse is welded to the seat until the last peep of the ref’s whistle has drifted over the stands. After all, owt could happen.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 25, 2010, 12:07:20 AM
Brilliant  :D remember it welll, i watched in disbelief on Skysports news as the goals rained in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 25, 2010, 11:09:19 AM
Enjoyable read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 27, 2010, 09:20:58 AM
Hey, a win over Sheffield Utd, the first in nearly 20 years.  Gary Speed is their manager.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on September 28, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
Some game tonight v Preston. 0-1 down, came back to lead 4-1 and now 4-5 to Preston.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2010, 10:24:44 PM
Finished Leeds 4 Preston 6, which is a little hard to believe even for Leeds. By all accounts the keeper had a nightmare and the back four were not much better. However, there have to be questions about the manager  when a game is lost in such circumstances. In our last four matches, we have conceded five, kept back to back clean sheets and now been hit for six at home. This season is going to be another white knuckle ride, and neither promotion nor relegation can be ruled out at this stage.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on September 28, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Crazy game, one the traveling Preston fans will never forget! how long is Schmeichel out? badly needed after that display
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 25, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
Anyone watching the Cardiff game ?

Leeds just gave away a goal, a long ball wasn't dealt with by Alex Bruce and Kasper Schmeichel. the cardiff forward nipped in to score. The 2 then had a roaring match at each other. It was a throwback to the days when their fathers did the same at Old Trafford !
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on October 25, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Yep watching it! Schmeichel at fault couldn't give any blame to Bruce
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Gaaman on October 25, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
Yep watching it! Schmeichel at fault couldn't give any blame to Bruce

You shouldn't let the ball bounce at all possible if your a centre half though. Bruce my favourite Leeds player. Think he is defending quite well bar that one error.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 25, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
Steve didnt look too impressed in the stand !
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: fearglasmor on October 25, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Second for Cardiff, offside.  Not impressed with Schmeichel either.

Jayz  3 as I typed.  Fcuk
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ross4life on October 25, 2010, 09:04:57 PM
4-0 some strike there  :o

Only 13 games gone but Cardiff look like a premier league already
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 25, 2010, 10:54:53 PM
The first goal was down to comedy defending and the second was well offside, but overall Cardiff could have at least matched the six that Preston got at Elland Road. Tonight makes 12 goals conceded in our last three home games, which is pretty alarming. While the ball was regularly given away out the field, the back four looked sub-standard.

Grayson was brought in as manager because McAllister's teams should not defend in league one, and he managed to give Leeds a much more solid look immediately. Unfortunately, the championship is starting to look like a different story. If Leeds keep losing at home by wide margins, slipping towards the relegation zone will follow and Uncle Ken is not likely to remain patient for long.

The pressure seems to be getting to Leeds at home, so it is probably as well that the next two games are away to Scunthorpe and Coventry. However, the two after that are at home to Hull and Bristol City, who are both below us in the table. Grayson can probably survive a tanking against Cardiff, who look likely bets for promotion, but he can not really afford to get into a further run of defeats and he will definitely be lucky to survive if he cannot get a win from one of his next two home matches.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 25, 2010, 11:24:21 PM
Pretty much agree with that, our defense s cronic, they undo all our endeavor an hardwork up the field, any ball in the box is a chance for the opposition, all 4 bar connolly look championship standard imo, Kinorsbo cant come back quick enough, naylor is finished so we need a centre back in January, Hopefully Ben Parker will answer the left back problem when hes back from injury, Bessone and hughes are liabiliities there. I think we are ok out the field, Faye has to get fitter but is a strong presence there and wins alot of ball back, howson is decent, Snodgrasss and Gradel/Johnson are fine imo, Somma can be good some days and atrocious the next, he needs to be more consistent, because despite Becchio lack of scoring threat he works alot harder and tires out the defence. Paynter is nearly back but its hard to know how good he is.

I like Grayson but i worry about Leeds and he'll do well to make it to Christmas as our defence will leak alot of goals, weve lost 4 of 5 now, have to beat Scuntorpe who are good at home, Its criminal though that the defence is the way it is, he bought bessone, collins and bruce who are all shite. Smeichel was a good buy, mccartney looked poor tonight.Fingers crossed it all work out and we'll stay up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 04, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on December 04, 2010, 06:14:58 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)

Get thon boy back and he'll add a bit of gloss to the team ;)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 04, 2010, 06:24:09 PM
Leeds unbeaten in 6, great win today with lat fightback, 5pts off 2nd and in 6th, i have to say im delighted with our positon. I honestly thought we'd struggle this yr and early form suggested that but Grayson has bought well and the team has stepped up. O Brien seems to have improved the defence and bruce needs a good man beside him. McCartney is good loan signing and connolly is doing fine so i think our defence is better now and should be ok until january when obrien loan is up. Gradel and Snoddy are great on the wings and Becchio has really impressed me, he was in beckfords shadow but since his departure bechio has been brilliant.Paynter and mccormak came on today aswell which bodes well with Somma another good option. Looks like a good yr and definitly one of consolidation but i hope we make the play offs now.

Agree with all of that. If Leeds even had a mediocre home record, they would be right up there. My one fear would be the temporary nature of the loan signings - that could make things unravel if those lads are recalled by their clubs. Becchio is proving me wrong I have to say - I didn't think he had it at this level but he's stepped up the plate big time - get Kisnorbo and Paynter back and fit and Leeds might be there or thereabouts come May.  :)

Get thon boy back and he'll add a bit of gloss to the team ;)

My worry is that in the mouth of Christmas, he'll be needed in the shop in Scotch Street.   :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 28, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
FFS - four points thrown away over Christmas that if taken would have had Leeds brilliantly placed, clear in second. Defence seems to be a problem, although plenty of goals up front, with Max Gradel on fire. Need to strengthen in defence, and that is based on keeping McCartney and O'Brien - the next few weeks should be interesting as regards players coming in.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2011, 11:51:53 AM
FFS - four points thrown away over Christmas that if taken would have had Leeds brilliantly placed, clear in second. Defence seems to be a problem, although plenty of goals up front, with Max Gradel on fire. Need to strengthen in defence, and that is based on keeping McCartney and O'Brien - the next few weeks should be interesting as regards players coming in.

The above post seems an awful long time ago now. Back at Christmas, Leeds were in the middle of a run that brought something like one league defeat in over twenty games. However even back then, there was a concern that too many points were being dropped due to getting draws from winning positions. The recent run of form has been terrible, and Leeds fell out of the top six, at the week-end, for the first time since last November. Bad time to do it.

Only a miracle will see Leeds get into the play offs now, and given that is unlikely, need to start thinking ahead to the eighth season out of the top flight - the same number of seasons that Leeds were out of the top flight back in the 1980s, and back then that seemed like a lifetime.

It will be more difficult next year - three teams coming down with their parachute payments, who do not have major financial problems, so they will be able to invest more in their squads. Grayson is going to have to be shrewd in the market, but with Uncle Ken keeping a tight eye on the purse strings, it might be wishing too much to hope for promotion.

Ah well, following Leeds was never about the glory!!   :D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 26, 2011, 12:33:29 PM
Quote
Ah well, following Leeds was never about the glory!!

That's for sure.

I didn't think this would be the year; hopefully they can hang on to their decent midfield and strengthen that defence.  There's nothing frightening coming down this season, irrespective of parachute payments. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
Realistically, most Leeds fans would have accepted a mid-table finish at the start of the season. However, having been close to the automatic promotion places for a lengthy period, and looking certainties for the play-offs, the decline over the last couple of months has been frustrating. The same thing happened at the same stage last season, and nearly kept us in league one for another year.

The basic problem is still that Leeds are vulnerable defensively and may need an entirely new back four in the summer. O'Brien is steady, but not getting any younger, Kisnorbo is excellent but has been out for over 12 months and may never be back, while none of the others have been fully convincing.

Grayson was not helped by the loss of form from Snodgrass and Bechio's injury, but the evidence is that his defensive organisation is suspect. He will need to put things right quickly for the start of next season.

Leeds still have a mathematical chance of going up, but they are pretty obviously not ready for it. They have had either a promotion, a relegation or a play-off campaign for each of the last five seasons, so a quiet finish and the opportunity to regroup may do no harm.


Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 26, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
Realistically, most Leeds fans would have accepted a mid-table finish at the start of the season. However, having been close to the automatic promotion places for a lengthy period, and looking certainties for the play-offs, the decline over the last couple of months has been frustrating. The same thing happened at the same stage last season, and nearly kept us in league one for another year.

The basic problem is still that Leeds are vulnerable defensively and may need an entirely new back four in the summer. O'Brien is steady, but not getting any younger, Kisnorbo is excellent but has been out for over 12 months and may never be back, while none of the others have been fully convincing.

Grayson was not helped by the loss of form from Snodgrass and Bechio's injury, but the evidence is that his defensive organisation is suspect. He will need to put things right quickly for the start of next season.

Leeds still have a mathematical chance of going up, but they are pretty obviously not ready for it. They have had either a promotion, a relegation or a play-off campaign for each of the last five seasons, so a quiet finish and the opportunity to regroup may do no harm.

Good post - in the context of the defensive issues, the absence of Kisnorbo was huge!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 26, 2011, 03:08:23 PM
At the start of the season i was shtting myself on us staying up, and i didnt have to worry about that all season. Last few weeks have been frustrating for sure but i have to accept that. Snodgrass is running on empty and who could blame him, Beechio injury was a big blow as paynter isnt close to his level imo.

The back line needs to be looked at big time, its a relegation defence no doubt and if we dont reinforce it puts serious pressure on the forwards again.

Kisnorbo is back in light training so should be back for start of next season, connolly and mccartney need to be ran, our squad does need overhaul and reinvestment.

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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on April 26, 2011, 03:15:00 PM
You still have Schmeichel and a good goakeeper is a good start.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: spuds on April 30, 2011, 01:33:30 PM
Halftime
Leeds 1   0 Burnley

 33 mins. McCormack (1st goal for club)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
SHould of been alot more comfortable, and goal diff is huge advantage for forest, should of won 5/6 nil, and that would of given us a big chance, played great stuff though, had the chances against Reading aswell, jees lately weve done well against the big teams and shit against bottom ones.

Come on Scunthorpe and swansea, nunez leeds player on loan at scunny.....
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 08, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
Well its all over 7th, overall good season, need to sort out alot of positions, weve no defence but kinorsbo came on today :),  weve no depth up front with Beechio injured so need to get the check book out ken, need aholding midfielder aswell, eustace, pratley or southern will do... next yrs championship look onimous, gonna be a big ask to build on this season...

Marching on together,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: maigheo on May 08, 2011, 01:09:25 AM
I am a manchester united fan all my life and for some reason i have always enjoyed reading this thread.I think it is because you know that the contributiors are genuine leeds united fans all there lives and continue to support them thro thick and thin.It would be nice to see them back in the top flight where I think a team with this huge suppott should be.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 08, 2011, 01:10:02 AM
Well its all over 7th, overall good season, need to sort out alot of positions, weve no defence but kinorsbo came on today :),  weve no depth up front with Beechio injured so need to get the check book out ken, need aholding midfielder aswell, eustace, pratley or southern will do... next yrs championship look onimous, gonna be a big ask to build on this season...

Marching on together,

Good sum up - still can't help but feel disappointed at missing out on the play offs, having been top six for so long, and throwing it away so late in the season with defeats at Derby an Palace.

The only two times I felt Leeds got serious goings over were at home to Cardiff and away to Swansea, so I'd have been hopeful for the play offs. The need for investment is obvious, but Uncle Ken has shown no inclination to provide anything meaningful. Larry will therefore have to pull off a minor miracle next season.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 03, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Seeing as this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days I thought I'd bring it back to the top with a few goals for Billy, Rufus et al to view ;D  JJ Shelvey was helped by the fact that hos twin brother seemed to be the referee!

http://www.footylounge.com/films//jonjo-shelvey/blackpool-5-leeds-utd-0-shelvey-hatrick-video_f3146598b.html (http://www.footylounge.com/films//jonjo-shelvey/blackpool-5-leeds-utd-0-shelvey-hatrick-video_f3146598b.html)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 29, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
Leeds putting on a show in Speed's memory. 4-0 up away from home at Forest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 29, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
Leeds putting on a show in Speed's memory. 4-0 up away from home at Forest.
Great tribute, delighted, hopefully the same on saturday.

http://syze.blogspot.com/2011/11/gary-speed-tribute.html
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 30, 2011, 09:29:50 AM
Good video compilation of Speed there - brought back some good memories (including the 'Flying Pig').
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 18, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
Neil Warnock your new manager.  It should be interesting to watch the Neil/Ken show.  At least he is from Yorkshire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/18/neil-warnock-leeds-manager?newsfeed=true

Leeds United have appointed Neil Warnock as manager until the end of the 2012-13 season.


The 63-year-old, sacked by QPR last month, replaces Simon Grayson, who left the club a fortnight ago, and faces the task of reigniting Leeds' play-off hopes – the club are currently six points adrift of sixth-placed Birmingham having played a game more.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 18, 2012, 12:17:26 PM
Aaaaargh, not Colin!!  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2012, 09:58:02 PM
Warnock?
The thinking man's Allardyce!
Can only think McCarthy turned them down.
It'll be craic and it'll stay in the championship.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 19, 2012, 11:21:54 PM
An appointment I'm very pleased with to be honest. Warnock has a great track record in getting promotions - I don't care what he does to get it this time. I think he is going to have to work with what he's got as Uncle Ken sees Leeds as a selling club and will not invest in any meaningful way, obviously save for renewing Maik Taylor's contract!!   >:(   Could a play off place be still in the offing?   :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 20, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
Colin's half-time bollicking seems to have done the trick on Staurday - well, on the scoreboard anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 20, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Its been depressing lately following Leeds but last weekend was some respite, im happy enough with warnock but he has weaknesses too. Bates is a major problem at the min but at least he listened to fans with getting warnock. Ive been on waccoe alot lately and so much negativity hopefully will change around now. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: CitySlicker11 on July 10, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Leeds open their championship season with a game against Wolves live on Sky Sports on Saturday 18th August. Looking forward to the new season!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 10, 2012, 07:59:18 PM
Takeover is imminent from Middle East consortinuim aswell, massive news...should be sorted soon. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:32:28 PM
What a bunch of sc**bags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h96h0XNNjpU

The lad has been identified already.

Couldn't make out what the Leeds fans were singing about Jones but some were easy to make out like,Jimmy Saville " he shags who he wants..he shags who he wants.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 19, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
The big lad went down like a sack of shit but that t**ser will be banned for life.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on October 19, 2012, 11:45:46 PM
He has previous.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Football-fan-says-m-hooligan-ban-breach/story-13251413-detail/story.html

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 19, 2012, 11:46:06 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 19, 2012, 11:47:58 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 20, 2012, 12:13:01 AM
Hillsborough in the news for all the wrong reasons again. What were the stewards at? that thug seemed really proud of himself.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Leedsvbates
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 12:26:11 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Leedsvbates
left his mobile number on it too..ouch.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 20, 2012, 01:00:08 AM
Apparently Kirkland doesn't want to press charges!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere and Man United. I'm not that petty or blinkered to put the boot in just because I follow Man United before you say, have no time for that kind of supporter to be honest.Looking at the incident in isolation. Agree 100% with your post,sc**mbags in every soccer club...
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Lecale2 on October 20, 2012, 09:59:42 AM

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.

MOT? Indeed.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: haranguerer on October 20, 2012, 11:11:23 AM
The big lad went down like a sack of shit but that t**ser will be banned for life.

Jesus he did - he was pushed in the face,it couldnt have done that much damage!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 20, 2012, 01:01:56 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere
Really? Me too.
I always keep an eye on their results ever since John Aldridge joined them as a player then as manager,went to see one of their games one weekend when I was over at Anfield.
Came very close to making the top flight a few times as well.
Doing well this season.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on October 20, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
I've visited and enjoyed many a game at Prenton Park (Tranmere & B'ham had a bit of rivalry going about 20 years ago). I remember going out in Liverpool after one particular game and a bunch of Blues fans were singing their "Shit on the Villa" song, the locals were good craic and joined in. When it was finished one "lady" aged about 40 then says to me "what does Sh*t on the pillow" mean :o.
Tranmere is a "proper" football club with good and knowledgeable fans ("don't be alarmed, don't be mislead, we are not Scousers we're from Birkenhead"  :D. I liked Aldridge as a foootballer but as a manager he could be ranked alongside Warnock and Phil Brown in the Shitehawk stakes.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 20, 2012, 05:37:13 PM
One sc**bag, not a bunch of them. His name and record are well known and he is deservedly heading for a long stretch.
Nearly got clapped on the back when he came back into the crowd, bunch of sc**bags
Who do you support in england ballinaman? I think anyone who chants that stuff saville is a sc**bag, and this sc**bag who assaulted should be jailed. Leeds will be punished no doubt unlike Hudderfield last yr read this http://stevehallsfootball.com/2012/05/16/huddersfield-1-mk-dons-2-alan-smith-attacked-by-fans-after-play-off-win/.

But before all soccer fans start taking the morale high ground there are scum in every club. Ive been to grounds where munich and hillsborough are regurlerly chanted. Man u fans bring there turkish flags to taunt leeds fans about 2 elderly leeds fans killed in istanbul. Look at hudderfield above. Cantonas karate kick, gerarrd assault dj when he wouldnt play his song, the lack of condemnation of suarez comments last yr...etc..

Ive been on the leeds forums and most if not all are disgusted, angry, ashamed and embarrased at the chants, the assault, but i condenm all the scum chants. We are all not animals nor will accept all leeds fans be tarred by the one brush. This is a gaa forum and alot will point gaa not needing segregation etc... and gaa fans which i am first and foremost will take the high morale grd aswell etc.. i remember being at u16 club game a few yrs were one of our players was assaulted by an opposing club fan and he was rushed to hospital with swollen jaw and nose, the opposing club wouldnt name the person and a cover up ensued. It was off the ball so none of us seen it as it happened on far side of the pitch.

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.
Tranmere
Really? Me too.
I always keep an eye on their results ever since John Aldridge joined them as a player then as manager,went to see one of their games one weekend when I was over at Anfield.
Came very close to making the top flight a few times as well.
Doing well this season.
Yep, bit of a family connection with the club for a long time. 1st defeat of the season today away to Bournemouth, shouldn't be losing there to be honest when playing as well as they have been. Squad is a bit thin but looks promising this year, lots of good young lads getting a chance.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 20, 2012, 10:02:47 PM

Again i condemn it all but leeds fans are not the only who have scumbags in there midst. MOT.

MOT? Indeed.
MOT i always will be where Leeds are concerned, and i March with all those genuine Leeds fans who have to stick together through the tough times, last night was ruined for most of us, its our anthem aswell, nothing to do with scumbags. The majority of Leeds fans are together in the battle against this thugeery and chanting.

No worries btw ballinaman, im just sick of all Leeds fans being tard with same brush and other clubs never looking at themselves, thinking oh were perfect, leeds are the only scum..i know you werent saying that and my message was mainly just pre emtive to anyone thinking of taking the morale high ground.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Might belong in the WTF thread, a young Leeds supporter gets "blacked up" for his hero Diouf


http://t.co/kQS895VE
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
Might belong in the WTF thread, a young Leeds supporter gets "blacked up" for his hero Diouf


http://t.co/kQS895VE
I would like to see what the parents are like! Idiots.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on July 03, 2014, 09:05:32 AM
What the absolute f**k??!!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

Quote

Massimo Cellino axes Paddy Kenny from Leeds over date of birth
• Cellino says number 17 is unlucky - Kenny’s birthday is 17 May
• Goalkeeper is second-highest earner at the club

Massimo Cellino Massimo Cellino had seat number 17 removed from his former club Cagliari's ground and replaced with 16B. Photograph: Daniel Hambury/PA

The increasingly bizarre world of Leeds United has taken another turn for the strange after it emerged that Massimo Cellino, their maverick new owner, has such a dislike of the number 17 it has turned him against one of the club’s key players who was born on that date.

Cellino is so suspicious of the number 17 that he had the seats at his former club, Cagliari, taken out and replaced with 16B. Now he has instructed the new Leeds head coach, Dave Hockaday, not to select Paddy Kenny after discovering that the goalkeeper’s birthday is on 17 May and concluding that he is bad luck for the Championship club. Kenny, the second-highest earner at Leeds on £10,000 a week, has been left at home while the other players embark on a pre-season trip to Italy and he will not play for the club again.

Cellino, who also has a fear of purple, has separate issues about Kenny allegedly being overweight but is said to have reacted emotionally when he found out the 36-year-old goalkeeper had a connection with the number 17.

The Italian’s superstition about that number is so strong he has told Hockaday it must not form part of the squad list next season. Michael Brown previously wore 17 for Leeds but was released at the end of the season.

The issue goes back to Cellino’s time in Italian football when he says there was only one occasion in 20 years that Cagliari won or drew a game on the 17th of a month. In a recent interview, he remembered that victory and put it down to him asking the club’s supporters to wear the dreaded purple to the game. “The whole stadium was purple on the 17th. We won because I think that bad luck is like algebra: minus and minus is positive. Purple and 17 … they became positive and we won. That’s the only time.”

Cellino completed his takeover of Leeds in April but only after an appeal against the Football League’s decision to try to block him entry on the grounds he had a previous conviction for fraud.

Since then, he has sacked Brian McDermott and unexpectedly brought in Hockaday, who had been out of work for eight months after leaving his previous club, Forest Green, on the back of a run of seven defeats in eight games.

Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed. Hockaday will not have control of transfer business and Cellino intends to flood the squad with free signings and cheap Italian imports. Stuart Taylor, who left Reading at the end of the season, has joined Leeds to take over from Kenny.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on July 03, 2014, 09:11:34 AM
It's Twilight Zone stuff, as if we weren't used to that already - I'm (almost) pining for Dave O'Leary.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 12:10:25 PM
I heard that Paddy Kelly was released by Leeds there last week, after the mad owner said that he wouldn't play for the club again because his Birth date is the 17th of May, and your man has a phobia about the number 17. Crazy stuff.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 20, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Cellino is a colourful figure but some of the stories surrounding him can be placed in the urban legend category. The keeper is Paddy Kenny, not Kelly, and he has had a few ups and downs along the way. The reports that he turned up for pre-season training more than a stone overweight almost certainly had more to do with his departure than his birthday. Cellino had also lined up a pretty decent young Italian keeper on a competitive wage, so spreading a few rumours about unlucky numbers may have had the desired effect. However, on the basis of last night's result, it could be another long hard season for Leeds anyway.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 01:02:45 PM
Cellino is a colourful figure but some of the stories surrounding him can be placed in the urban legend category. The keeper is Paddy Kenny, not Kelly, and he has had a few ups and downs along the way. The reports that he turned up for pre-season training more than a stone overweight almost certainly had more to do with his departure than his birthday. Cellino had also lined up a pretty decent young Italian keeper on a competitive wage, so spreading a few rumours about unlucky numbers may have had the desired effect. However, on the basis of last night's result, it could be another long hard season for Leeds anyway.

Sorry I meant Paddy Kenny. Don't know where I got Kelly. I have a neighbour called Paddy Kelly, maybe that's it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 03, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
Remember the better years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O54WGabJcRg
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 03, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
I just moved over to London to work and was over last weekend for the Dolphins as I am huge fan, was great, but also I went to brentford without a ticket, both sets of fans were mixing outside the ground in what was a very friendly atmosphere, I got a ticket at face value and went into the Leeds away end, the leeds fans were a credit to the club, not a hint of trouble, we played terrible and only for silvestri we would have been hammered,

Cellino is a nut job, way to public with his mouth and way too emotional in his decision making, he has huge influence in the team selection, will be interesting to see if he buys back elland rd in November as he promised, I presume ye know outer ex chairman David haigh is in jail in Dubai since may, there's a book being written by ex LUST chairman Gary cooper about the last few yrs goings on at Leeds, should make interesting reading
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on October 25, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
The circus continues - Leeds are going nowhere under Cellino! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29774801
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
The circus continues - Leeds are going nowhere under Cellino! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29774801

Even Clough lasted 44 days..
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 25, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Seen this on twitter, thought it was funny....

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Clocks go back tonight, so if Leeds appointed a new manager at 1.30 am, they could actually sack him half an hour before before he started.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: muppet on October 25, 2014, 11:23:09 PM
Seen this on twitter, thought it was funny....

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Clocks go back tonight, so if Leeds appointed a new manager at 1.30 am, they could actually sack him half an hour before before he started.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 26, 2014, 12:56:24 AM
Sorry I meant Paddy Kenny. Don't know where I got Kelly. I have a neighbour called Paddy Kelly, maybe that's it.

Does the Paddy you know play? Is he doing anything most Saturdays?

I don't think this is going to be the normal season of despair - this one could be spent flirting with relegation!!  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 26, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Despair doesn't normally set in until after Xmas - it's here before Halloween this year.  Looked better than Rotherham last week and folded; looked better than Wolves this week and folded.  Pattern for definite despair.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 12, 2015, 08:21:29 AM
When Leeds got relegated in May 1982, it would be eight long seasons outside the top flight before they returned in August 1990. Those eight years seemed like a lifetime. However, when Leeds take the field next season in the Championship, it will be the twelfth season outside the top flight and yet for me personally somehow it doesn't seem as long. I don't know if that's because I'm considerably older and time moves more quickly, or these twelve seasons have been more of a rollercoaster ride than 82 - 90 with a further relegation, promotion and a number of play-offs covering the intervening years. Either way though, there doesn't seem to be any basis for optimism that the twelve years will not become thirteen and fourteen and fifteen and.......

As usual last season there were the ups and downs to fill any supporter with both unreasonable optimism and absolute despair. Early season form (pre Hallowe'en) suggested that a promotion push was well within their grasp but a long and indifferent run of form from November to about February resurrected the relegation fears. Another good run in the Spring raised again the flicker of hope that we might sneak a play-off spot but that was crushed under foot by an abysmal end of season run that somehow found a fitting end with a dull and uninspired 0-0 draw at home to Rotherham.

There were an awful lot of sub plots within the season just gone - a number of Italian players were brought in - Silvestri and Antenucci were both positives and although he could be a liability with his disciplinary record, I liked Giuseppe Bellusci as he played with a bit of passion - a rare commodity. However the issue with the Italian contingent was clouded by the non appearance away to Charlton which was itself shrouded in controversy. Another Italian who went missing of course was the boss himself, Massimo Cellino, although he made a late season return after serving his ban. However he is now again the subject of an FA investigation around transfer activity.

What the future holds is unclear. Leeds appear to want to get our promising young players tied down to contracts and there are talks of a change in our kit provider (Macron to Kappa) which might prompt a visit to the courts. However the big question going forward will be ownership and what the intentions of the owners are regarding investment. As always with Leeds, the future is as clear as mud.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
I see the BBC are reporting (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32720050) that Rudy Austin is being let go along with Alex Cairns, Stuart Taylor, Zac Thompson, Michael Tonge and Aidy White. 

It is rumoured that there are players on that list that Redfearn wanted to keep, which if true would suggest further change in the manager's seat in the not too distant future. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 15, 2015, 11:12:37 AM
Leeds are now the 'watch through your fingers' club - anything is likely to happen, or not, or maybe. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2015, 01:09:56 PM
Leeds are now the 'watch through your fingers' club - anything is likely to happen, or not, or maybe.

Correct Billy - and yesterday's press conference by Massimo 'hold on, I need a fag' Cellino will only have added to that feeling.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2015, 01:49:43 PM
The frustrating aspect is that Redfearn is a capable coach with some hugely promising young players in his squad. A period of stability and an average amount of investment by championship standards could take the club very close to the play-offs next year. If yesterday's press conference is anything to go by, we will get a prolonged soap opera instead.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 15, 2015, 02:01:03 PM
The frustrating aspect is that Redfearn is a capable coach with some hugely promising young players in his squad. A period of stability and an average amount of investment by championship standards could take the club very close to the play-offs next year. If yesterday's press conference is anything to go by, we will get a prolonged soap opera instead.

You'd have to look at Bournemouth as the model for what can be achieved through relatively modest investment and more importantly stability. I'm not sure though that we can match what Bournemouth invested and Cellino doesn't do stability.

I see there is also talk of a change in the kit provider. Macron were due to finish a 6 year contract next season but the talk is that the Club are ditching it a year early and going with Kappa. Macron are threatening legal action.

Everything thus as it should be!!  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 20, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
I see that various sources are reporting that Uwe Rosler is likely to be the next manager of the Club (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32804076). Ordinarily this might seem a crazy situation given that there is a manager already in place, but Cellino's tirade against Redfearn in which he branded him a baby (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/17/massimo-cellino-neil-redfearn-baby-leeds) will have let on-one in any doubt that Redfearn's days are numbered. 

The rollercoaster ride goes on.  :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on October 19, 2015, 03:49:20 PM
The rollercoaster ride goes on.  :(

And on.....

Steve Evans has replaced Rosler, with reports that Cellino had first asked Harry Redknapp!! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34570202)  ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on October 19, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
The less said the better. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
From the BBC tonight - 'Leeds chairman Massimo Cellino has agreed in principle to sell his share in the club to supporters' group Leeds Fans United.'

Another amazing twist in the Elland Road soap opera. The big question is where is the money to fund any sale going to come from ? If the new owners get this right, the club could at long last be heading back to the top. If the sums don't add up, the risks are also huge.

However, Cellino had reached the end of the line and at least there is now a fighting chance of a Leeds revival.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on October 30, 2015, 09:38:33 PM
From the BBC tonight - 'Leeds chairman Massimo Cellino has agreed in principle to sell his share in the club to supporters' group Leeds Fans United.'

Another amazing twist in the Elland Road soap opera. The big question is where is the money to fund any sale going to come from ? If the new owners get this right, the club could at long last be heading back to the top. If the sums don't add up, the risks are also huge.

However, Cellino had reached the end of the line and at least there is now a fighting chance of a Leeds revival.

What a mess, Leeds used to be a top class outfit and it is a shame they are going to the dogs.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 30, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
What is O'Leary's legacy amongst Leeds fans now?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: T Fearon on October 31, 2015, 07:16:44 AM
Shit.Just the same as it is with Villa.O'Leary will go down in history as ruining two great clubs
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 02, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
What is O'Leary's legacy amongst Leeds fans now?

He will always be associated with a period that brought the Club to its knees, and for that reason his name will be mud amongst a lot of the support.

However for me, the ultimate responsibility rests with those who oversaw the finances and were prepared to sanction a transfer policy that was built on the need to make the Champions League each year, at a time when only the top three made it through.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 01:37:05 PM
Ridsdale. End of.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:42:06 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 01:47:27 PM
That was a decent Leeds team - got to a Champions League semi on merit.  The problem was that there was a transfer budget that wasn't matched by an appropriate wages budget, or at least a sustainable wages budget. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2015, 01:48:15 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 02:02:53 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

If the people holding the purse strings give you the go ahead why wouldn't you?!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:06:41 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

If the people holding the purse strings give you the go ahead why wouldn't you?!!

Because you have an ounce of wit?

Because you know nothing can be built on a burning platform?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:18:34 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:21:22 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

What positive examples of spending a load of money you don't have would be going through your mind?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending

What do you think he should have done? He's an employee of the club, like anyone else. He is not responsible for allocating the money, he is only responsible for spending it and getting good value for what he spends.

I also doubt he had anything to do with the stupid wage setup.

Do you think he should have said "Lads, I don't think we can afford this fella, stop giving me money?"

As I said, I think he'd be in a minority of one if he did. Managers always want to be improving their squad.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.

So a manager just continues spending magicked up money until the creditors close in and leave the fans with a crock of sh1t?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
Again, the manager is being told the money is there. Is he supposed to bring in his own auditors to make sure? What should he have done?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 02:41:33 PM
The manager is told he *does* have it. That's the point. He's not the one responsible for the purse strings. It's like any business, you get told what your budget is, and you have to either operate within that budget, or else look for more money.

If the lad controlling the purse strings is allocating money he doesn't have, then that's where the primary blame lies. I'd blame the manager if the players he buys aren't up to it, but I can't blame him for stupid wages, or if he's been given money to spend that the club didn't actually have.

So a manager just continues spending magicked up money until the creditors close in and leave the fans with a crock of sh1t?

He'd have been destroyed by fans if they're being told the money's there to buy X, Y, Z and the manager says "Ah lads maybe we'll take a long term view, yes I'm being told we have the money but maybe we should be prudent about the thing!"

Not a chance!! It's not his job. His job is to get the best players to come to Leeds and get them playing well. The money is someone else's responsibility.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:42:01 PM
Not for one second am I saying that O'Leary acted sensibly.  In his defence, what was he expected to know or understand about club finances if he was assured that the money was there for him to build a team that he (and the club executive) wanted?

He could reasonably be expected to ask the basic questions about the funding of an exponential increase in spending

What do you think he should have done? He's an employee of the club, like anyone else. He is not responsible for allocating the money, he is only responsible for spending it and getting good value for what he spends.

I also doubt he had anything to do with the stupid wage setup.

Do you think he should have said "Lads, I don't think we can afford this fella, stop giving me money?"

As I said, I think he'd be in a minority of one if he did. Managers always want to be improving their squad.

Still waiting on your positive examples of this sort of operation working?

Value for money is hardly where he would be running for a defence.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
Again, the manager is being told the money is there. Is he supposed to bring in his own auditors to make sure? What should he have done?

I wouldn't go confusing "asking basic questions" and "bringing in the auditors"

If I was bringing in someone from a competitor and trying to get them to sign a long-term contract I would want to know that the wages would be paid and the ambitions stood some chance of being realized.

If I was taking the adulation of the fans and spending unprecedented wads of cash then I would seek out the reassurances that we weren't pissing on their dreams
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 02, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
My favourite Leed's story, true or not, was the one about Ridsdale's, eh, tough negotiation with Seth Johnson and his agent.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 02, 2015, 03:10:06 PM
The Guardian did an investigation (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/mar/07/sport.features1) into this whole sorry saga a good number of years ago. It's a long but (I think) interesting read.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:11:44 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

'Sactly. I think smelmoth is putting way too much emphasis on O'Leary's role in all this. He probably thought he was on the pig's back.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:15:31 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright

It certainly was. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 03:47:12 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 02, 2015, 04:08:37 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!

And he's probably right, he came through a period where they had to finance a new stadium. He was never a buying manager, he only buys when he feels the player can improve the team not because the supporters/media demand it and he feels there is value. He did buy Sanchez and Ozil and his only signing this year has been a 33 year old goal keeper who has so far been the signing of the season. A good coach/manager can improve players, a bad coach/manager feels the only solution is to buy. A manager is protected by his contract therefore I think the point selmothis making is that has to have some sense of future planning and be responsible with the club finances and player pathways.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:13:15 PM
But you see, there was a credible story about where the money was coming from - the 'Ray Ranson' model was talked about as the new and better way to finance transfer deals.  It wasn't, but that's hardly Dave O'Leary's fault.

That was no different to borrowing the money off Ranson and buying the players outright

It certainly was.

On balance sheet debt versus off balance sheet debt. Its still debt. Its still acquiring players on the never never
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
If you are a manager, and told you can spend millions to get the best players in, you wouldn't spend it?

You'd be in a minority of one I'd say
. I doubt David O'Leary negotiated wage deals with individual players, and if I remember correctly, a lot of their problems were due to stupid personal terms they negotiated with players.

Wenger!

He's the complete opposite of O'Leary... the club are in rude health and he still won't spend the money!!

And he's probably right, he came through a period where they had to finance a new stadium. He was never a buying manager, he only buys when he feels the player can improve the team not because the supporters/media demand it and he feels there is value. He did buy Sanchez and Ozil and his only signing this year has been a 33 year old goal keeper who has so far been the signing of the season. A good coach/manager can improve players, a bad coach/manager feels the only solution is to buy. A manager is protected by his contract therefore I think the point selmothis making is that has to have some sense of future planning and be responsible with the club finances and player pathways.

I get what you're saying but bar Ferguson and Wenger what manager can really plan for the future? No manager is safe for 3 years and Wenger is in a unique position that yes he created but is completely at odds with everything that is happening in football throughout the world. Wenger has been a manager of a big club that didn't win a trophy of significance for a long time and still refused to open the cheque book.

This would not be tolerated by the board and fans of any other club (and isn't by a lot of Arsenal fans and high profile ones at that) so judging O'Leary by Wenger and Ferguson standards isn't really fair I don't think!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 04:17:37 PM
I would have called it serviceable debt vs. unserviceable debt - the finance houses thought it was a good idea, until the team stopped winning games.  The latter was O'Leary's responsibility, the finance deal wasn't. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:21:31 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 02, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
Real Madrid signing Ronaldo/Messi/Bale/whoever is no more sustainable financially than Norwich signing Stones - it's a question of risk. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 04:43:13 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

What are you talking about? Who is 'We?'. You have the knife into David O'Leary for something that was not his responsibility. You can say he should have asked more questions about the sustainability of the approach, maybe he should, but he is not an accountant, and better qualified people than him were responsible for that area of running the club.

If you are saying the Leeds situation was mismanaged, then I'd be agreeing with you 100%. If you are saying it was O'Leary's responsibility to ensure that didn't happen, then I disagree with you.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 02, 2015, 04:48:21 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

Yeah but we're not talking about Norwich or Sligo Rovers this was a club consistently in the top 6 of the Premier League who had qualified for Champions League and Uefa Cup in his time there... how was he to know Ridsdale had leveraged against future entry into the Champions League and the gate receipts that would generate!!!

Anyway I don't think you're going to change your mind as you have O'Leary hung for it anyway so best to agree to differ. I still think any manager worth their salt would have done the exact same thing as O'Leary!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 04:58:19 PM
Real Madrid signing Ronaldo/Messi/Bale/whoever is no more sustainable financially than Norwich signing Stones - it's a question of risk.

No its not.

Real debts make a mockery of FFP but they do have assets and cash flows to repay the debt if they could wean themselves of the habit of racking up more debt
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: smelmoth on November 02, 2015, 05:00:25 PM
I never said it was a positive. That's a straw man right there. What I said was O'Leary is not the main culprit. And you haven't answered my question. What should he, or any football manager, have done to ensure there was adequate finance?

Still doesn't let you off the hook. When has has an exponential increase in spending with no credible explanation of where the money has come from ever worked out?

Why do I need to be off the hook for you misunderstanding what I said? :)

In your defence of O'Leary I have asked you to point to any positive examples of exponential increases in spending without a credible explanation of where the money is coming from. Surely if there isn't such an example then he looks foolish at best

My whole defence of O'Leary is that it was not part of his responsibility to ensure the finances of the club were above board. His responsibility lay in identifying players, working within the budget set, and getting the most out of them on the field.

Whether he was clued in to the backroom dealings of the club at ownership and director level is a non-sequitur as far as I'm concerned.

So, exponential increases without an explanation of where the money is coming from is not a sustainable business model.
David O'Leary's role is not to query the business model, it is to invest the funds he is given wisely and get the most out of them.

So if Norwich do sign Stones on the never never or Sligo Rovers sign Messi & Ronaldo based upon dosh from unaccounted for sources or to be repaid from unaccounted for sources then we all just play along like happy fools? Or at some stage do adults start behaving like adults?

What are you talking about? Who is 'We?'. You have the knife into David O'Leary for something that was not his responsibility. You can say he should have asked more questions about the sustainability of the approach, maybe he should, but he is not an accountant, and better qualified people than him were responsible for that area of running the club.

If you are saying the Leeds situation was mismanaged, then I'd be agreeing with you 100%. If you are saying it was O'Leary's responsibility to ensure that didn't happen, then I disagree with you.

I think you are confusing me with someone who siad O'Leary was soley responsible for the Leeds dibacle
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2015, 05:04:19 PM
O'Leary at Leeds and Harry at Pompey cannot escape significant responsibility for the wholesale mismanagement of those clubs. It's also very difficult to attribute any measure of success to them as individuals as most managers can improve results if given a runaway budget
The responsibility lies with the people above the managerial level. If the manager is overspending, buying crap players, not getting results or all of the above, then it is the job of the men at the top to show them the door. Ridsdale has to should the blame.

Nobody is saying Risdale et al are not to blame but the idea that a manager can keep spending and never ask where it is coming from doesn't stack up. If say Norwich got in a £35m+ bidding war with Chelsea for Stones do you think Alex Neill would ask a few questions?

You said this.

Firstly, we don't know that O'Leary didn't ask and wasn't told not to worry about it.

Secondly, as I've said, ensuring the financial viability of the club is not the job of the football manager.

I never said you think he's the only one to blame. My opinion is that you are placing too much emphasis on the fact that he wasn't more of a regulator of the club finances, and I don't think that's fair.

And I have no love for David O'Leary by any means.

Also, if Norwich said they were going to buy Stones for £35m, I believe Alex Neill would jump around with delight. He might ask 'really, can we afford that?' but if the mandarins tell him  'yes, we have a finance plan in place' he'd go buck mad and spend it.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 04, 2015, 08:27:06 AM
First home win since March; first win over Cardiff since 1984!  :o

Only saw the goal - thought it was a bit of a misjudgment by Marshall in Cardiff's goal. I don't care though! That win was badly needed. Away to Huddersfield next!   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 04, 2015, 09:04:08 AM
Saw that result late last night and had to pinch myself - might be portentous, as as that Cardiff game way-back-when was the  start of the downfall.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 09, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
Well, hello Mary Lou..... :D

A very encouraging performance and result away to Huddersfield.

Although by no means a perfect performance, there were plenty of positive signs - some good team play, underlined by a bit of heart and determination. I was impressed with how Evans came across in the interview. Sounded determined and pointedly made reference to the need for everyone to work hard for the Club - those who were not prepared to do that would be shown the exit door.

I'd have to say we were lucky not to go down to ten men with the score at 0-0, as Scott Wootton should have been sent off for a second yellow. It proved key as he was involved in the first goal.

Huddersfield dominated the second half but rarely threatened - it felt like one of those days where everything was always going to go right.

Back to back wins; back to back clean sheets - the start of something good?   ::)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 12, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: stew on November 12, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I think Moyes would be a great manager for a club like Leeds, he is a good manager and Leeds are a big club that have massively underachieved for years, I do not think you could do any better Rufus to be honest.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 12, 2015, 08:48:41 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on November 13, 2015, 10:20:24 AM
I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino.

Credit where credit is due - the Club is in a much better financial footing under him than it has been in quite some time. I would imagine the price of any takeover will reflect that.

His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?)

I would add McDermott to Redfearn and having given Rosler some financial backing in the Summer it was surely incumbent on him to back his man for longer than the time given.

He wasn't known as the manager eater for nothing and the rate at which he hires and fires managers does not - indeed cannot - provide the stability that Leeds so desperately need.

Indeed to add to that, his business 'practices' in Italy are coming under sharp focus and has created its own instability at the top of the business.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on November 14, 2015, 01:19:38 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.

Hard to argue with any of that Benny.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on December 29, 2015, 02:25:44 PM
Rumours appear to be growing that a takeover is imminent, with local business man Steve Parkin seeking to buy Cellino's majority shareholding. Talk already that David Moyes would be his chosen candidate as manager if he is successful.

I'm beginning to feel all nervy again as a semblance of good news is once again being associated with the Club.  :-\

I'm not a Leeds fan but having lived in the city for a long time I have a soft spot for them and I actually think the fans have been a bit harsh on Cellino. He is plainly a lunatic but I think once again Leeds fans are dreaming of the perfect owner who will sweep in and solve all their problems. Cellino was funding the club before he even took over and kept the club out of certain administration. He has managed to reign in the £1m it was haemorrhaging every month and he has renegotiated a £25m loan so that interest is only paid if and when they get promoted. Also, he held on to young talent like Mowatt, Cook and Taylor when previous regimes sold the likes of Delph, Howson, Lennon etc for pennies and at least he gave Rosler a bit of money to spend last summer. His management appointments have been a bit mental (but, bar Redfearn, was anyone really sad to see any of them go?) but it's strange that the Football League have banned him for unpaid tax in another country and deem him unfit to run the club when they idly sat by and watched Risdale, GFH and Bates run the club into the ground. The idea of selling to LFU had disaster written all over it and Cellino was correct to reject their offer. Maybe this new takeover is the perfect owner Leeds fans have been yearning for but I suspect it might not be.

Hard to argue with any of that Benny.

Actually, it looks like Cellino has completely lost the plot now....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35191715
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on October 22, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
Death of Gary Seake, goalkeeper during the 60s and 70s.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: laoislad on October 26, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
Bring it on!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 02, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Today's win means that Leeds have taken 28 points from the last 36, probably our best sustained run since they were top of the Premiership this week 15 years ago. It has been a long hard road since then, but the club is finally in decent shape and looking a good bet for the play-offs at least. Monk has done an outstanding job on a much lower budget than some of the other big clubs in the division, and he deserves backing in the transfer window to keep Leeds in contention for a promotion push which few were seriously expecting.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 01:19:39 PM
Today's win means that Leeds have taken 28 points from the last 36, probably our best sustained run since they were top of the Premiership this week 15 years ago. It has been a long hard road since then, but the club is finally in decent shape and looking a good bet for the play-offs at least. Monk has done an outstanding job on a much lower budget than some of the other big clubs in the division, and he deserves backing in the transfer window to keep Leeds in contention for a promotion push which few were seriously expecting.

Probably should have been 30 from 36. I thought they were exceptional away to Villa and were unlucky with two efforts that hit the woodwork, and conceded a goal from a needless penalty. Steve Bruce in his post match interview stated that was the best Leeds team he had seen in years. Don't forget that this is under an excellent young manager who was under threat of the sack back in September, which underlines how fragile things can be with Cellino in command.

For all the positives of the Villa performance, there are definitely areas where we could and should strengthen in the transfer window - we need more firepower up front - Wood is too hit and miss for me to be a number one striker. However making Pontus Jansson's move permanent has to be the immediate priority. 

It will be interesting to see how this new investment impacts on the field, and if more money will be available. Cellino will have to take a back seat from next month, so I wonder is this investment him considering an exit strategy?

Things are really looking positive, which for a Leeds' supporter is a worry in itself. Any time I've seen Brighton this year, they have looked impressive, and I'd expect Newcastle to invest in their squad to ensure promotion. It could be that we end up in the play offs (which I'd take) but of course is a mine-field in itself.

Anyway, reasons to be cheerful!!   :)
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.

Nice one Billy - thanks!

I've allowed my mind to wonder so much recently that I'm already thinking ahead to the redevelopment of Elland Road to host Premier League and European football.  :o
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 02:11:08 PM
Rufus, I was talking to a demolition contractor recently who gave me a load of pictures of the removal of the old floodlights from Elland Rd in the early 1990s.  Must send them on to you.

Nice one Billy - thanks!

I've allowed my mind to wonder so much recently that I'm already thinking ahead to the redevelopment of Elland Road to host Premier League and European football.  :o

Now they're doomed, for certain.   :P
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 05, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
Now they're doomed, for certain.   :P

 ;D
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 05, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
Sent you the pics by email Rufus, give me a poke if you don't get them. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 06, 2017, 09:20:58 AM
Yeah, a great memory (apart from the result, and the defending). 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 10, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night.

Correct Billy - I got the impression that they thought they only had to turn up and strut their stuff and were quickly knocked off their stride by Cambridge. To be fair, they must have got a bollocking at half time and came out a different team. Played some nice football, dominated territory and possession and came out deserving winners.

The yellow card for Jansson means that he misses the next two games - Derby and Barnsley - which is a real blow. There seems to be a determination by the Club to reach his target for matches played which then triggers the transfer from Torino.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 10, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
Half-daycent draw after only turning up for 45 mins last night.

Correct Billy - I got the impression that they thought they only had to turn up and strut their stuff and were quickly knocked off their stride by Cambridge. To be fair, they must have got a bollocking at half time and came out a different team. Played some nice football, dominated territory and possession and came out deserving winners.

The yellow card for Jansson means that he misses the next two games - Derby and Barnsley - which is a real blow. There seems to be a determination by the Club to reach his target for matches played which then triggers the transfer from Torino.

That's very Yorkshire thinking - the kind of thinking that has Leeds where it is.  Jansson is the main reason why they'ye been so good at the back recently, and now they've lost him for two very difficult games.  You'd despair, if it hadn't happened over and over and over for the last 40 years. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 14, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!! 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on January 14, 2017, 08:07:52 PM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

Away to Barnsley! Do ye bring your own ferrets?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
The Derby performance was outstanding against a side with a large budget who are serious play-offs rivals. It is just a pity that two goalkeeping errors cost us the points against both Newcastle and Brighton earlier in the season and have left the gap at the top still fairly large. However, Leeds are now the form side in the division and there can be no doubt that Monk is a hugely impressive young manager.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 16, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

A very impressive performance indeed.  Hayling looks like a star in the making.  And young Viera could be the business.  Almost convinced to be hopeful, but experience tells me otherwise.  Barnsley will be difficult. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 16, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
Oakwell is one of my favourite grounds in the country. Great little town to have a few beers in.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 23, 2017, 11:24:51 AM
Another very impressive performance last night at home to a Derby County side who themselves have been showing good form. Leeds dominated the game for all but the first fifteen minutes of the second half and could (and indeed should) have won by two or three goals.

The win was all the more impressive when the absentees were considered - Pontus Jansson and Charlie Taylor were both missing from the defence. However Leeds were full of energy, aggression and some nice one touch football. The midfield were all excellent - Kemar Roofe, Liam Bridcutt, Ronaldo Viera and man of the match Pablo Hernandez.

Whilst there is so much to be positive about, there are causes for concern - Rob Green (who had a good game last night, save for an error which saw a goal disallowed) still does not convince, and more fire-power is needed up front - two exceptional displays against Villa and Derby which brought about the sum of two goals, despite many, many chances being created.

Next league match - away to Barnsley - is on live next week ( :)) - say it quietly, but things are looking up!!

A very impressive performance indeed.  Hayling looks like a star in the making.  And young Viera could be the business.  Almost convinced to be hopeful, but experience tells me otherwise.  Barnsley will be difficult.

I feckin' told ye - Leeds were not good.  Hopefully they can pick it up and go again. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 23, 2017, 11:45:30 AM
I feckin' told ye - Leeds were not good.  Hopefully they can pick it up and go again.

Terrible performance with many of those who starred against Derby being completely anonymous - seemed to be caught on the back foot from the start and could never impose themselves despite taking the lead. A couple of the Barnsley goals were very avoidable, whilst their second and third goals were both stunning efforts, which make you feel it is not your day. It is a long season, and all teams drop points on a regular enough basis, so hopefully a quick return to action against Forest can exorcise the demons from this match.  The return of Jansson will be very welcome.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 23, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
Gents we are way ahead of where any of us thought we would be, the lunatic cellino has been muzzled by Radriazzini, who looking into his background is the owner we have been praying for, he will buy us 100% in the summer no matter where we finish, there were rumours only for Rad Monk would have been sacked early in the season, Jansson is a big loss and will be back to partner bartley on Wednesday, the forest game will tell us a lot, Sutton utd on the weekend will give the squad members a run out, with mowatt and Phillips getting deserved runs, We have a good young team. Against Barnsley we did not get stuck in enough early on, our set pieces are great with hernandez, we need Charlie taylor back at left back, berardi is good but hes not as potent going forward, Ayling is good but can get caught for pace out wide, and we need back up for Wood, he played very well on Friday and hes got some amount of goals this season, sometimes his touch and hold up play is poor but he can finish, doukara is hit and miss, strong but poor ability at times, 48% pass completion against Barnsley not good enough, Eunan o kane back from injury is a boost,

Rad needs to be held to account and fair play to Leeds fans staying informed enough to see if owner is shafting us or not, I feel positive that cellino will be gone and Rad is in so I feel future is bright.
 MOT
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 28, 2017, 03:43:00 PM
Great response to the Barnsley defeat. Team seemed to play with a lot of confidence and on the basis of chances created, should have won by three or four. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check out Doukara's screamer of a volley on youtube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jk3yu0NDLE)

I see we've let Alex Mowatt go to Barnsley, which I think is very disappointing - great young talent who I thought had a lot to offer. Brings into sharp focuse our transfer dealings as 31 Janaury approaches. Is anyone coming in?  ???
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 29, 2017, 08:09:07 PM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: cornerback on January 29, 2017, 09:33:18 PM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?

Leeds were relegated from the Premier League in 2004 & ten years ago they were in their first of 3 seasons in League One!!
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on January 30, 2017, 12:51:06 AM
I see this thread was 10 years old last week. Is that 10 years of unrelenting depression or would that take in a few good years before it all went pear shaped?

Depression sounds about right - when the thread started, Leeds were in their third season out of the premiership, in the Championship and were about to be relegated to Division One.

When I was younger, I thought the eight years out of the top flight between 1982 and 1990 was an eternity - we're now at season thirteen and somehow it seems to have gone quicker - life flies when you're having fun.  ::)

Watched the Cup defeat today and I knew after five minutes we were going to take a spill. Inexperienced team, unfamiliar surface and an underdog seriously up for the contest in crappy conditions - there was only one winner from minute one. Largely irrelevant anyway - the Blackburn match next up is much more important.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on January 30, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
This is the first year of the thirteen that I've felt that Leeds had a chance to make it back to the top flight.  A chance, mind as they are not yet at Brighton's or Newcastle's level - it might be a year too early. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 02, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
Two late loan signings before the end of the transfer window - Modou Barrow from Swansea and Alfonso Pedraza from Villarreal. Barrow is a forward and Pedraza a winger. Beyond that I don't know an awful lot about them.

Great win last night. Left it late but hung in and managed to snatch a late victory with Jansson's close range header. And speaking of Pontus, he will sign permanently from Torino in the Summer - huge boost that.

I see Brighton were well beaten tonight at Huddersfield - that keeps both Brighton and Newcastle within touching distance but of course leaves things very tight in the play off positions. Huddersfield win their game in hand and they go a point above us. The match on Sunday is therefore very important. From memory we have a decent enough record there - a win on Sunday and things will be really rocking!!   :)

MOT.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 06, 2017, 08:15:19 AM
Painful defeat yesterday, shipping an 89th minute goal after it looked like we might hold out for a draw. Huddersfield to be fair were dominating, but I thought they did not look like scoring until a shot going wide was deflected into the path of a man, free in front of the nets - game over. Nicking a draw would have been great. Thought Rob Green had an excellent game in nets but thereafter there was no-one who really stood out for me - a mention for Wood maybe who scored again. Can't take anything for granted in this league, but the next few matches - home to Cardiff, home to Bristol City, away to Ipswich - offer opportunities to get the show back on the road. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 06, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
Yeah, devastating late blow - they rode their luck a bit in Blackburn and the three points there is probably better than two draws.  I think the two derby losses recently may be dispiriting for the squad, but hopefully not.  Three winnable games ahead now; need to make them count. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on February 06, 2017, 10:13:04 AM
The Championship is a tough division. No clear runaway leader this year and any of the top 8 could go on a run. Brighton and Newcastle are as likely to drop points as any of the others.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 10:36:43 AM
Great scenes after the winning goal yesterday. Plenty of passion on show from both teams. This type of joy is sadly missing from most PL games
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 11:48:43 AM
Yeah, devastating late blow - they rode their luck a bit in Blackburn and the three points there is probably better than two draws.  I think the two derby losses recently may be dispiriting for the squad, but hopefully not.  Three winnable games ahead now; need to make them count.

I got Dad a birthday present of going to the Cardiff game this weekend, cannot wait, he hasn't been in years, huge game now as we usually bounce back and have to continue that. As im based in London im going to Fulham away aswell.

Huddersfield were ferocious but we were resilient, they probably deserved It but both there goals were fortunate, disappointed how we are performing against top 6, doesn't bode great for play offs, I think I would settle for that now, the scenes at the end were frustrating, think that will benefit us as if get Huddersfield in play offs we wont need any motivation at all, although they look primed for automatic promotion.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 27, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
Hard fought victory on Saturday in a tense, if low quality game - one shot on target, one goal and three points. Wednesday were pretty poor too - they had one shot on target which brought a great save from Rob Green. Form is relatively indifferent (taking into account the home defeat to Cardiff and the draw at Ipswich) but the feeling for me is the over reliance on Wood up front could yet be our undoing. 

The big games keep coming - away to Birmingham on Friday night, which is live on TV. Right now, I'd settle for a play off place. The automatic promotion places look too far ahead and the form of the top three too good to see any sort of slip up. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 27, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
God, it was awful to watch, but a good gap now to 7th.  Need to avoid losing to Fulham which is the game after Birmingham I think.  Preston seem to be the form team on the rise, for the moment. Saw Brighton-Reading over the weekend too - wouldn't be afraid of Reading by any means.  Huddersfield have good momentum going - I wouldn't want to see them again this season. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 27, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
Great ugly win on Saturday, massive win, Fulham drawing was huge too, in fact everyone else dropped pts

It will be an interesting run in, Huddersfield drew but were on some run, brighton and Newcastle play each other tomorrow which is huge again, but one will drop pts, and we play brighton at home and Newcastle away yet

Id still take play offs though but if we can beat Birmingham and Fulham we could close to the top 2, im going to the Fulham game, pretty much a home game for me,

I not too worried about wood, he's not injury prone so should hold out, Charlie taylor is back in training but what does worry me is bartley is close to 10 bookings and a 2 match ban and Jansson is 2 away from 15 yellows which is a 3 match ban, they don't seem to be able to avoid bookings and missing either of those 2 is huge as cooper is poor, although ayling impressed when CB,
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on March 31, 2017, 08:13:48 AM
Huge few weeks coming up - eight matches left, five of which are away. First one is on live, tomorrow evening, away to Reading.

Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us. The gap has been narrowed to the top two, but I think time and fixtures are running out in that regard, as we are still eight and nine points off Brighton and Newcastle respectively. Still, barring a total collapse, play-offs are nearly guaranteed. 

The most recent match was the 2-0 victory over Brighton - thought it was very comfortable and could have had implications for the form of both teams towards the end of the season - but unfortunately the international break intervened. That will allow Brighton to regroup and may disrupt our momentum. Tomorrow evening will tell a tale.

The one concern at the moment would be the reliance on Chris Wood - if he gets crocked, the options look a bit threadbare.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on March 31, 2017, 09:08:07 AM
Huge few weeks coming up - eight matches left, five of which are away. First one is on live, tomorrow evening, away to Reading.

Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us. The gap has been narrowed to the top two, but I think time and fixtures are running out in that regard, as we are still eight and nine points off Brighton and Newcastle respectively. Still, barring a total collapse, play-offs are nearly guaranteed. 

The most recent match was the 2-0 victory over Brighton - thought it was very comfortable and could have had implications for the form of both teams towards the end of the season - but unfortunately the international break intervened. That will allow Brighton to regroup and may disrupt our momentum. Tomorrow evening will tell a tale.

The one concern at the moment would be the reliance on Chris Wood - if he gets crocked, the options look a bit threadbare.

Wood was sent home prior to the NZ world cup qualifier - the wires say it was precautionary, but who knows. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 19, 2017, 08:07:48 AM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 19, 2017, 07:04:11 PM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   
One point out of fifteen last August wasn't a great help either. The Championship is easy to drop into but hard to get up out of again. The number of derbies doesnt help
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on April 19, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Our form recently has been relatively good, and compares well with those around us.

As can be seen by my last post on this thread, I was talking up our recent form, which any self respecting Leeds' fan will know is tantamount to inviting trouble and could be considered a 'schoolboy error'. So it has proved yet again as our form has taken a fall at the worst possible time. Monday's defeat at home to Wolves means four points taken from the last fifteen, and that situation has been exacerbated by the good form of the teams around us. For the first time since November, Leeds have fallen outside the play off places.

It's still very much in Leeds' own hands - away to Burton, home to Norwich and away to Wigan - three victories would almost certainly guarantee a play off spot, and indeed two victories and we'd be in with a good shout, given the fixtures coming up involve matches between our closest rivals. However the recent run of form can't be ignored and suggests at a deeper malaise - the inability to significantly threaten a mid-table, weakened Wolves team suggests to me that the team is feeling the pressure and not reacting well.   :-\   

Hopefully Sheff Wed and Fulham won't just need a point each by the time they meet at Hillsborough on the last day. Leeds need to make sure that these two need points off each other then a win at an already demoted Wigan should be enough.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 19, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
The performance against Wolves was very disappointing but Monk has shown an ability to lift the squad at pressurised stages all season. There will be points dropped elsewhere among the group chasing play-off places and two wins from the last three games may well get Leeds over the line. If we can beat Burton at the weekend, we will be firmly back in the frame.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 20, 2017, 09:04:15 AM
The performance against Wolves was very disappointing but Monk has shown an ability to lift the squad at pressurised stages all season. There will be points dropped elsewhere among the group chasing play-off places and two wins from the last three games may well get Leeds over the line. If we can beat Burton at the weekend, we will be firmly back in the frame.

If results do go against Leeds I hope that the Directors and owners dont lose faith in Monk. He is a good sound manager and with a bit more experience in the team will get them promoted.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: shark on April 20, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   

Very few squads look good enough when they first go up. 1 or 2 clever buys can change the landscape. And it quite often only takes 35 points now to stay up. The "magical 40 point mark" hasn't been needed since the year West Ham last went down.
And even if a club does go straight back down it is still worth it for 1 year. Parachute payments will follow. Leeds could go up this year and finish 17th or better with 80% of their current squad. Equally they could fail to go up (maybe lose a couple of better players to bottom half Premier League teams) and finish in the bottom half of the championship next year. If I was a Leeds fan I'd want them up this year, no matter how ill prepared they may seem.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 20, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
Yeah, that's essentially what Burnley did.  You'd be very reliant on Monk building a good dressing-room and trying to avoid losing the spine of your team after relegation though. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
Posted by: Billys Boots - Today at 02:21:55 PM
To be honest, it isn't a good enough squad to stay in the Premier League (in my view), though there is the argument that the windfall from (even a disastrous year in) the Premier League is how a real squad could be built.  In my small world, I'd like to see a loss in the semi-final play-offs, Monk to stay on and be given a decent budget to buy a quality holding midfielder, a quality attacking midfielder/playmaker, another decent centre-back and an up-and-coming goal-keeper.   

Posted by: Shark - Today at 04:02:04 PM

Very few squads look good enough when they first go up. 1 or 2 clever buys can change the landscape. And it quite often only takes 35 points now to stay up. The "magical 40 point mark" hasn't been needed since the year West Ham last went down.
And even if a club does go straight back down it is still worth it for 1 year. Parachute payments will follow. Leeds could go up this year and finish 17th or better with 80% of their current squad. Equally they could fail to go up (maybe lose a couple of better players to bottom half Premier League teams) and finish in the bottom half of the championship next year. If I was a Leeds fan I'd want them up this year, no matter how ill prepared they may seem.


Billy is entitled to point out the need to strengthen the squad but most Leeds fans will agree with Shark. The stand-out figures this season have been the centre backs, Bartley and Jansson, and of course Wood up front. They are already being linked with Premiership clubs, as is the left back Taylor, and the chances of holding on to them if Leeds do not get promotion are slim. If we have to start again in the championship next August with a completely reshaped team, it could easily be back to mid-table mediocrity or worse.



Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 20, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
If we have to start again in the championship next August with a completely reshaped team, it could easily be back to mid-table mediocrity or worse.

Would agree with this.

Unfortunately the make up of the squad is very fluid - Bartley and Jannson are both there on loan and there are other loanees as well - Pedraza and Barrow come to mind. That's why it is so important to get promoted, acquire the wealth that comes with it, and start rebuilding the squad in a manner that allows for the possibility of a return to the Championship, i.e. contracts that will see a reduction in pay for players if relegation happens.

Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on April 21, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
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contracts that will see a reduction in pay for players if relegation happens

Are cheap 'release clauses' not the trade-off for the insertion of such clauses in players' contracts? 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 21, 2017, 10:11:53 AM
Newcastle got 72 million even though they were relegated.
The premiership needs a few teams with a bit of history, with all respects to Bournemouth.
 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 21, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
Are cheap 'release clauses' not the trade-off for the insertion of such clauses in players' contracts?

I'll be honest Billy, I'd never thought of that angle. I look though at a club like Burnley who seem to be able to retain players after relegation and keep them in place to mount a fresh promotion challenge. I think it can be done.

Just on another note, very sorry to hear of the passing of former player Ugo Ehiogu who died at the tragically early age of 44. May He Rest In Peace.

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Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 22, 2017, 10:36:29 PM
And that, as they say, is that.

Back to back defeats to extremely average teams - no shots on target in the opening seventy minutes of each game - definite bottle job for me. Only an unlikely series of results will now see a play off place gained. A season that promised so much for so long turns to dust when the finish line was so close.

Very early to speculate but I'd imagine there will be significangt change in personnel between now and August and the chances of getting  a winning combination will be that bit longer.

One more year in the widerness beckons!!   :(
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Avondhu star on April 22, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
And that, as they say, is that.

Back to back defeats to extremely average teams - no shots on target in the opening seventy minutes of each game - definite bottle job for me. Only an unlikely series of results will now see a play off place gained. A season that promised so much for so long turns to dust when the finish line was so close.

Very early to speculate but I'd imagine there will be significangt change in personnel between now and August and the chances of getting  a winning combination will be that bit longer.

One more year in the widerness beckons!!   :(

Keep Monk. Open the chequebook. Gates of 30000 will deliver
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zycTSTrujE
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 01, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
This article from 2004 re Leeds gives a bit of the history

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/feb/10/sport.comment
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 15, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/may/15/hull-sunderland-middlesbrough-relegation-premier-league-championship
"Hull will receive £47m in parachute payments next season and £38m in 2018-19 (had they been in the Premier League for more than a single year they would also have been due a third instalment of £17m, in 2019 20)"
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 17, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

No Leeds fan needs reminding of that. I'd say having money from just one of the big transfers and contracts of the Ridsdale era would represent some lift now.

I thought that Fulham would have been favourites to go up but they fell at the semi-final stage this evening. Hope the winners of Wednesday and Huddersfield make it to the Premier League now.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 17, 2017, 09:51:26 AM
Look how much spons Leeds miss out on every year they fluff promotion

No Leeds fan needs reminding of that. I'd say having money from just one of the big transfers and contracts of the Ridsdale era would represent some lift now.

I thought that Fulham would have been favourites to go up but they fell at the semi-final stage this evening. Hope the winners of Wednesday and Huddersfield make it to the Premier League now.

Galling when you see how poor both Reading and Fulham were last night - come on the Owls. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: lurganblue on May 17, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
Hard to believe a team with Paul McShane in it has a chance to go up.  Surprised at Fulham.  Hope Wednesday go up.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 25, 2017, 01:46:00 PM
Monk has resigned.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 25, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
Just when things were beginning to look up with the takeover of Radrizzani. Gutted by this news and it's a real blow to the Club.

I get a sense, trying to read between the lines of the BBC Report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40046074) that the Club was trying to tie him down long term but although willing to stay, he did not want to commit to the long term.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 25, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months. 
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on May 25, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
Next stop crystal palace?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 25, 2017, 05:13:54 PM
I don't think the new owner ever wanted Monk. He'll bring in his own obscure foreign manager and Leeds will be back to square one.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on May 26, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months.

Definitely appears to be versions here Billy that are conflicting to a degree.

I see early talk of Aitor Karanka. His Premiership tenure with Middleborough was very uninspiring but he does have a promotion on his CV.
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 26, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
Heading to Leeds for a piss up this weekend, Good city for pubs/clubs?
Title: Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on May 26, 2017, 01:58:22 PM
I heard the opposite Rufus, he wanted a 3-yr contract, but he was only being offered 12-months.

Definitely appears to be versions here Billy that are conflicting to a degree.

I see early talk of Aitor Karanka. His Premiership tenure with Middleborough was very uninspiring but he does have a promotion on his CV.

He appears to be a bit of a diva - he'll fit in well with the board so.