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Great win for the champions.

[Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.]

Or ... maybe being a good player or club legend doesn't necessarily make you a good manager ... if only there was a very recent example of this to back it up???

Yes but if you didn't have all the foreign managers in the PL, you're left with a lot of managers like those above. One of them would be winning the league, FA Cup etc. Someone like Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce could be at United winning all around them, or Big Sam doing likewise at Liverpool or Arsenal.

But we'll never know because of those pesky foreigners

Serious or on the wind up? .

Well, take the British or Irish managers managing the highest placed teams: Rodgers, Lampard, Smith, Bruce, Hodgson, Moyes, Potter, Parker, Wilder, Dyche. Throw in Southgate, Giggs, Clarke. After that you have the likes of Hughton, Pulis, Monk, Michael O'Neill etc.

Take the foreign managers away, that's who'd be winning the trophies.

If you took Dublin, Kerry and Donegal out of the last 10 years Mayo world have won 6 All Ireland's!! What's your point?? There's a reason the big clubs hire foreign managers. It's because they're generally the best in the business.

[Seems like Poch is the last resort if Ole goes.]

Seems like Poch is the last resort if Ole goes.

If there wasn't this influx of foreign managers/players in the PL, clubs would be looking at British and Irish managers like in the early to mid 90's. The likes of Keegan, Dalglish, Howard Wilkinson, Hoddle, George Graham, Souness, Redknapp, Joe Royle, Big Ron etc were managing the top teams then. Today's equivalent would be the likes of Bruce, Hughes, Big Sam, Hughton, Dean Smith, Southgate, Lampard etc.

You might laugh at the likes of United going for such managers these day, but maybe that's what is partly missing. Managers who came through the club, understand the links/past, the community/people working there and supporting the club, the youth set up, etc, rather than a foreign manager who has no links to the country, never mind the area.

It's a shame in a way, because we all grew up watching these men as players and most of them don't stand a chance of remaining with a top division team. All pushed out by the influx of foreign managers and club financiers demanding instant success and high profits.

Surely he's top of the list if Ole goes!?

James out for a run of games due to a tackle from VVD in the last game

quick, start a petition

Trained today. Miraculous recovery that. It's like he was never injured in the first place!

James out for a run of games due to a tackle from VVD in the last game

quick, start a petition

Wouldn't worry about James, he won't be hanging around for long anyways. He only signed a 2 year deal because that was the minimum he could get away with.
A half decent season and he'll be looking for a move next Summer.

Why take off your 3 best forwards after 60 minutes?

Because they were doing feck all.
I thought the 3 subs done well especially Jota.
Anyway a scrappy win in a scrappy game. Good to get the 3 points.

Mane was injured. The other 2 were doing feck all

Apparently Alisson will be back by the end of the month, and definitely by the City game. Thiago's injury not serious either, although he will be out for the Ajax game.

Yeah he's back in training.

I see Pickford is to face no action.

Bad news for Everton!

Can teams still bring players in on loan?

No

[United will be back in for Sancho next summer]

Another disappointing summer, thats the 3rd summer transfer window in a row where Woodward hasn't delivered. I can remember leading up to summer 2018 and all the reports were United were going to spend £200m and we ended up with Fred and Dalot.

On the face of it signing Van Der Beek, Cavani & Telles for £50m is excellent business and if United had managed to Dembele in on loan I'd have been happy enough with it in the circumstances, can understand too leaving Telles to the last minute as they've got him on the cheap.

Dortmund wanted too much money for Sancho and earlier on in the summer I thought just pay it but United can't keep paying over the odds for every player so there's logic too not paying what they wanted but not having replacement lined up on loan earlier isn't good enough.

United were always up against it at the start of the season given the lack of pre season and ideally needed signings early but prepared to cut them some slack given who Ole's main target and how that dictated anyone else United were in for. 

Arsenal & Spurs have spent a lot more than I expected, both clubs have bigger financial problems than United but have done well this summer and both will fancy their chances of finishing above United.

Sunday was not good enough but United aren't that bad, every single player looks miles off the pace; Its not just a few of them its the lot of them; I've no idea whether Ole is good enough but after last season he deserves a chance to prove himself but can see why he's under huge pressure given Poch is available. Its going to be a huge month when they get back from international duty.

Think MU dodged a bullet in not signing Dembele. Should never ever sign an injured or injury-prone player. Remember Falcao and Hargreaves to an extent?
OGS is not good enough, has no track record of success as a manager in top flight football, and his team aren't playing for him. He won nothing last season and got real lucky Leicester fell off the bike in the run-in to pip them to third place. I said it at the time and often since, that fluke win over PSG with one of the worst VAR peno decisions (and that's saying something) was a hugely costly Pyrrhic victory for MU. The entertainment value of seeing Rio making a tit of himself was worth it though!

signing Dembele on loan was a chance worth taking, United will be back in for Sancho next summer.

The players played for Ole last season, think United obtained more points than anyone else from Feb on conceding only 7 goals in the process. There's mitigating factors currently, lets see where United are by mid November.

Not going to get a free run at him next Summer. The big boys will come in for him. You really think given the choices he'll have that he'll choose United??

Anyone else think bobby has had a bad start to season. Missing for most of the game

Yeah he's had a bad start to the season. Was very poor last night.

That's my point in calling a spade a spade here. Both managers have spent money to "buy success". Every manager spends money.

The crux is people consider Klopp a greater manager than Guardiola is due to him spending less for his success then. Which is fair enough, I can see that argument but I wasn't having this Klopp hasn't spent anything line when you can reel off two world transfer fees for two positions ones at him.

For me Klopp has been the greater manager in England, he's the greater manager right now. But Guardiola has had a much better career. That era at Barca when his team basically changed football, we haven't seen a period like that since, hence why I find it strange that he's being consigned to history here.

https://www.football365.com/news/feature-man-city-spend-on-defenders-pep-guardiola-428m-man-utd-liverpool-arsenal-spurs-chelsea

When you look at figures like these you appreciate how good Klopp is.

I enjoyed first season of Goliath. Then the second season went batshit crazy and somehow was about amputee fetishes and gave up completely. Absolute nonsense.

The third season is even weirder. Gave up after 1 episode. Yeah the first season was excellent.

According to some United fans here Ole has a good record in the transfer market. He's spent £130 million on Maguire and AWB. Let that sink in!

As Boycey alluded to last week United are massively under cooked in comparison to most other clubs, how much of that is down to the manager I just don't know; The result wasn't a surprise to me and a good few others I know who were worried going into this weekend.

The long term issue at centre half will continue and probably won't be rectified until next season which I can deal with if somebody of Sancho's class comes in. Lindelof isn't up to it as Maguire's partner, he's a good defender when United sit back and counter but he's poor in the air and lack of pace means United are never going to challenge for a title with that centre half pairing.

Whether Ole is going to be a success I don't know so can only judge him on last season where he did a good job.

The voice of reason as usual on this thread.

The voice of reason wouldn't say let's blow £100m on Sancho and forget about the gaping holes in defence till next Summer!

Yes. That's not what he said though.

"The long term issue at centre half will continue and probably won't be rectified until next season which I can deal with if somebody of Sancho's class comes in."