Meath vs Dublin - Leinster final - the day before the fair.

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sid waddell

Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.

And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history  ::)

Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final

The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final

Sure the odd game was competitive

But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin

In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland

None of those teams ever got back to a final



joemamas

Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.

And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history  ::)

Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final

The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final

Sure the odd game was competitive

But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin

In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland


None of those teams ever got back to a final

Are you taking the piss,

Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.

thejuice

Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
It won't be the next manager but the one after that Meath will become competitive again - MO'D 2016

sid waddell

Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented



Cunny Funt

Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.

And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history  ::)

Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final

The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final

Sure the odd game was competitive

But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin

In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland


None of those teams ever got back to a final

Are you taking the piss,

Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.

He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.

sid waddell

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Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.

And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history  ::)

Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final

The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final

Sure the odd game was competitive

But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin

In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland


None of those teams ever got back to a final

Are you taking the piss,

Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.

Roscommon got a goal in the first minute and scored a grand total of six more points in the next 70 minutes

They were out of their depth, even against the poorest of all Kerry All-Ireland performances in the 1975-1986 period

Similar with Tyrone in 1986, they collapsed, and could barely get out of their own half in the last 25 minutes

Mayo were well behind behind Cork in reality in 1989, they only got in any way close on the scoreboard because Cork performed very nervously on the day having lost the two previous finals

If any of those teams were any use, they would have got back to a final - none of them did

These teams only made the final because of the way the draw was structured - similar to Antrim in hurling in 1989

Between no later than 1975 and 1990 inclusive, the top four or five teams in the country were always made up of some combination of Kerry, Dublin, Cork, Meath and Offaly

sid waddell

Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM

He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.

I'm not the person taking the piss, see above

People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they

There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly

The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society

The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves

There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry

Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive

A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him

He says that county football is irrelevant

Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it

That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers

They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be

TheGreatest

Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

From the Bunker

Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

Cunny Funt

Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM

He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.

I'm not the person taking the piss, see above


People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they

There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly

The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society

The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves

There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry

Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive

A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him

He says that county football is irrelevant

Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it

That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers

They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be

LOL yeah right. Now step away from the keyboard you little warrior.

TheGreatest

Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.

Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.

Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.

But sure things were better in the old days, or something.

What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?

Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix

Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated

Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration

Munster has never been competitive

From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder

Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour

Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said 

The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011

They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015

In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013

Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years

They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years

Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015

Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles

Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles

So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .

Probably right with the soccer, bad example, The Dubs are Killkenny of the noughties.

thanks

thejuice

Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM

He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.

I'm not the person taking the piss, see above

People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they

There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly

The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society

The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves

There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry

Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive

A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him

He says that county football is irrelevant

Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it

That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers

They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be

Nice of you to quote an obvious joke but I don't recall you responding to my serious questioning of your assertion that Meath had "given up the ghost" on being competitive. You can't tell me one thing we need to do over and above what Dublin are doing in any specifics other than we need to try harder or something vague like that.
It won't be the next manager but the one after that Meath will become competitive again - MO'D 2016

sid waddell

Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM

He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.

I'm not the person taking the piss, see above

People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they

There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly

The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society

The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves

There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry

Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive

A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him

He says that county football is irrelevant

Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it

That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers

They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be

Nice of you to quote an obvious joke but I don't recall you responding to my serious questioning of your assertion that Meath had "given up the ghost" on being competitive. You can't tell me one thing we need to do over and above what Dublin are doing in any specifics other than we need to try harder or something vague like that.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Meath underage teams have been dogshit for decades.

Meath club teams are dogshit and are routinely brushed aside in Leinster.

Successive Meath management teams have not been up to the job.

The Meath players were NOT fit enough yesterday.

They don;t even have the excuse of spending money on a stadium, as nothing has been done with Pairc Tailteann for decades.

They have failed to move with the times and are still stuck in the 1990s.

If you want to keep sticking your fingers in your ears, whistling away to yourself and blaming everybody but yourselves, by all means do so.

Meath have nobody else to blame but themselves for the state of their county teams for the last 17 years.




sid waddell


mup

Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't  see that the money makes no difference.

They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers.  ;D ;D