Let's get it started.
The end for one team or the other?
Especially Kerry...not much coming through.
i suppose it would only be fitting that Tyrone would drive that final nail.
Or is there something that Kerry can produce at home....
That scare that Kerry got yesterday was the worst thing to happen for Tyrone.
Kerry 3-19 Tyrone 0-9
If Darran O'Sullivan is out, it's advantage Tyrone big time
This is the game, the location, the environment, the set of circumstances, the timing, everything that Kerry have been waiting for, hoping for and praying for, for a long, long time.
Jack O'Connor will be at home now thanking God for delivering this fixture. Only a win against Tyrone can save his season - a defeat opens the door to a new managerial team.
It's all in. Kerry are going for broke.
Darran O'Sullivan will play.
26 years since Kerry beat Tyrone in the Championship
Also, the slagging Spillane did last night. That's another goal.
Good man ONeill, get in there with the grindingly relentless pessimism -- That Donegal game was the worst thing that could have happened to Kerry! ;)
This will be tough but if Tyrone play to their strengths and potential then they can progress. Home advantage is massive for Kerry.
I hope Tyrone play attacking football and not too defensive.
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2012, 09:11:26 AM
That scare that Kerry got yesterday was the worst thing to happen for Tyrone.
Kerry 3-19 Tyrone 0-9
I think Kerry will take it on the Cute hoorism stakes if that is the best we can come up with.
Home advantage is huge here.
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Could we not get the CCCC to have a look at the above? ;D
excellent draw for the championship, (and for Dublin/Donegal/Cork) - Tyrone have proven in the last three games that they are no one-trick pony, albeit they didn't win against Donegal, their tactics got them close.
McCurry is a gem of a player and one that could do real damage to that Kerry defense, but over all i'd say its going to be a very tight game...
Cant wait.
Quote from: orangeman on July 16, 2012, 09:22:43 AM
Home advantage is huge here.
Not if the 'animals' get on the players' backs! ;)
Yerra,shur yerra and therefore yerra yerra yerra...yerra
Now nobody say this draw was a fix ;)
Hope TV3 honour their claim of first dibs on the qualifiers and show this game.
Both Paul Galvin and Darren O'S tweeted after the game about the amazing supporters and how they made a difference so I'd say they will be out in force for this one.
Big contingent from Derrytresk pulled out at 9 this morning.
Brilliant ;D
Quote from: LeoMc on July 16, 2012, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2012, 09:11:26 AM
That scare that Kerry got yesterday was the worst thing to happen for Tyrone.
Kerry 3-19 Tyrone 0-9
I think Kerry will take it on the Cute hoorism stakes if that is the best we can come up with.
No tongue in cheek. Remember what the Animals did to Dublin the game after Antrim scared them.
St Peter of Glencull, pray for us.
G4S have just tweeted that despite losing a big job across the water they will not have enough people to cover the security required to deal with the Kerry county boards request for segregated seating.
Handbag checkpoints at all points of access to Killarney.
I was hoping to avoid Kerry & Kildare - but frigg it, these are the matches we all live for. Really excited about this one. Unlike last week - I dont think there will be much debate on here about which match will be televised!
From a Tyrone persective - id be hoping that SON, Justin McMahon and Ronan McNabb would be fit and available. Any lads on here heard much by way of updates?
Harte will have a few interesting decisions here to make as regards his selection. Does he leave the excellent albeit youthful & inexperienced Conor Clark to take on big Donaghy?? Big Call.
Darren McCurry will start on the bench, but will surely see game time. Be interesting to see how he fairs out against better opposition, but I fancy his pace will pose problems for the Kingdom rearguard when introduced.
I agree with O'Neill - the Kerry 'scare' yesterday is the bad news for Tyrone. They will have that outta their system, and will be full of focus and purpose come Saturday. Regardless of form - Kerry still have 5 of the top 15 forwards in Ireland. If things click for them, we could be in serious trouble.
Kerry with home advantage are strong favourites without question - but i'd like to think Tyrone will pose some serious questions. Proper championship game this. Whoever wins has a nice draw against Clare & back in the Championship with a huge morale boosting victory under the belt.
Loser goes home for the year and will unfortunately be subjected to the annual RTE cynisism & bile critique.
The winners of this will surely nail down the team of the decade..
Kerry v Tyrone
Jack O'Connor vs Mickey Harte (3 All-Irelands each and 0-1 on head-to-heads)
Kerry's 17 year unbeaten record at home and 100% record in qualifiers/getting to the 1/4 finals vs Tyrone's 25 year unbeaten record v Kerry
Darren O'Sullivan's injury doubt vs Stephen O'Neill's injury doubt
puke form vs puke football
It's one to look forward to all week.
I think Fitzgerald stadium should implement a 100% clean shaven policy for all those entering the stadium for the match :P
Delighted that Tyrone took Roscommon, A great effort by team and management under very trying circumstances. However this is a bitch of a game to lose. Tyrone supporters dont expect to win all Irelands this year but they expect to beat Kerry when they play them, but with more or less a development squad, a lock o' cubs and an away game to Kerry can anyone seriously expect Tyrone to get close...
Jack O Connor may well be the weak link in Kerry at the moment, he may crack again.
Big pressure on Jack O'Connor. Lose and his head will roll. If Tyrone lose, Mickey just gets on with it next year.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2012, 10:24:25 AM
The winners of this will surely nail down the team of the decade..
No matter what happens the next day
when people talk about Kerry long into the future it will always come up that Tyrone beat them twice in the middle of what should have been a 6 in a row .
Pull the testicles off them lads. They don't like it.
Bookies have Kerry at 8/15 and Tyrone at 15/8
17/2 the draw
About right those odds i reckon.
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
Bookies have Kerry at 8/15 and Tyrone at 15/8
17/2 the draw
About right those odds i reckon.
15/8 too big.
8/15 to light.
Looking forward to this alright. Kerry slight favourites
Nerves in Kerry - http://kerrygaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4403
Really looking forward to this. Taking on Kerry in their own back yard is what championship football is all about. Had it have been a home game for Tyrone I would have been really confident as it is I think we've got a great chance.
This is probably the one game that could have gotten the whole Kerry footballing public excited, and it'll be a hostile atmosphere.
Tyrone really have nothing to lose. If we lose, it's a "what do you expect playing Kerry in their backyard", while for Kerry it's a "we can't lose to this shower in Killarney, we'll never hear the end of it" kind of scenario.
As I predicted to a mate who was going to holiday in Kerry after the Rossie match
I said you'll only get yourself into a whole handlin as we're bound to get them in the next round with you being there now. Haha
Couldn't get the draw on the radio this morning so just saw it now on the board
Can't decide am I excited or disappointed.
I think I would have been confident of beating Westmeath in Mullingar so I don't see why we should be too afraid of playing our old foes in their own backyard
Being totally honest for once, I think Kerry are a poorer side that they were from last year even though they should have won the AI last year.
They still have excellent forwards like 2 O'Sullivans, Gooch and hot head himself but the rest of the team I think are struggling.
Will be interesting what tactics both teams apply. I can't see it being a Donegal style game but it could be at least one forward back sweeping as neither team will be keen to let any forward have too much freedom.
Wonder will Gooch stay at FF? Did he stay there yesterday or did he roam?
Anyone know what happened SON?
There's a Kerry lad in my work and he seems nervous now.
He knows if we beat them in there own back yard then he's in for a hard time, esp from the Dubs.
This game should shake Kerry out of their slumber. They have never been better positioned to beat Tyrone in all their encounters. In their own backyard, they have all their key players fit (if DOS starts), Tyrone are not the force they were and have a few key players on the long term injury list. I think Kerry will win this but I wouldn't be putting my house on it.
First things first if this game isnt televised, the GAA need to take on the RTEs and TV3s of this world and throw them out, their (lack of) coverage is a disgrace and doing the GAA no favours. Their best piece of creativity was the sj video last night which was good but they went to the effort to ensure a negative story was portrayed. Disgusted with last weekends coverage on radio and TV it was negligent of our games. The Sunday game last night should have been a bumper programme - they spent more time on SJ who played 10 minutes than Tyrone and Roscommons efforts. Anyway this game must be on TV and there should be a live round up of the other games after.... does anyone know if its a likely sat or Sunday fixture?
How much is your house worth Yellow?
I think they decide later today on time of match and venue.
My pal in Kerry just texted me. They're walking around in their Tyrone shirts.
Hope they're OK. ;D
Quote from: yellowcard on July 16, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
This game should shake Kerry out of their slumber. They have never been better positioned to beat Tyrone in all their encounters. In their own backyard, they have all their key players fit (if DOS starts), Tyrone are not the force they were and have a few key players on the long term injury list. I think Kerry will win this but I wouldn't be putting my house on it.
Have you seen Kerry's results? They're not best positioned to beat friggin' Leitrim, let alone Tyrone. Anything other than a Tyrone win would be an upset.
Been lucky to have the Dubs the past 2 years as games to really look forward too, really excited about this one. Kerry aren't what they were, Tyrone are currently going through transition and are moulding in new players and missing a few talented individuals therefore its anyones game. Not too fussed on the venue as Tyrone don't exactly set the world alight in Omagh.
kerry will have a massive fear of losing to tyrone in their own backyard.
imo this fear will stifle them and tyrone will take advantage.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 11:37:16 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 16, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
This game should shake Kerry out of their slumber. They have never been better positioned to beat Tyrone in all their encounters. In their own backyard, they have all their key players fit (if DOS starts), Tyrone are not the force they were and have a few key players on the long term injury list. I think Kerry will win this but I wouldn't be putting my house on it.
Have you seen Kerry's results? They're not best positioned to beat friggin' Leitrim, let alone Tyrone. Anything other than a Tyrone win would be an upset.
Can't agree with that and nor do the bookies odds suggest this.
It's not that Kerry are playing brilliantly but they still have 5 top class forwards and have struggled previously in the early qualifier rounds before exploding to life at the scent of the first big game. See Armagh 2006 and Dublin 2009. Tyrone are also a fading force.
I think that Tyrone are the right side of the transition period and Kerry have to hit the trough yet so I would expect Tyrone to sneak it. Tyrone do well against Kerry when they stick to the football. Too many fouls would be like bread and butter to Sheahan, the best free taker in the country.
This will be something.
Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney on a (hopefully) sunny warm Saturday is the nicest place in the world to be at a match. Throw in all the sideshows from the past and we should have a cracker on our hands.
I hope the B&Bs can cater for the Northern hordes that will travel. Remember, travelling through Longford keep the boot down. Down I say. Or perhaps stop off in Lynn's in Edgeworthstown for a quick pint for the travelling companions. It's a hoor of a journey.
Tyrone on the way up, Kerry on the way down. Will the two teams meet in the middle?
My money's on a victory for Tyrone.
Kerry 1-09 Tyrone 2-11
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 11:49:03 AM
Tyrone on the way up, Kerry on the way down. Will the two teams meet in the middle?
My money's on a victory for Tyrone.
Kerry 1-09 Tyrone 2-11
That's questionable. Tyrone have the better young players coming through but they've got worse since last year.
will ye's be back in time for the minors in Clones, 12pm throw in Sunday.
Best of Luck Tyrone.
Ah NO NO NO
That's it I'm not watching it now
Syferus has tipped us to beat them
O'Neill are you going to it? Can you bring down some spare handbags as we're running low.
I remember going on holiday to Kerry in the late 80's and getting warm welcome from Kerry people?
They liked us Tyrone wans and thought we were a lovely wee team to beat, playing nice-ish football.
I'd say Brolly would love to be in studio with Pukey for this one.
Did you hear Des challenging Pat last night about how Clare were amadans not playing defensively with a sweeper.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 11:49:03 AM
Tyrone on the way up, Kerry on the way down. Will the two teams meet in the middle?
My money's on a victory for Tyrone.
Kerry 1-09 Tyrone 2-11
That's questionable. Tyrone have the better young players coming through but they've got worse since last year.
How?
They got promotion to Division 1 in the National League. Exited the Ulster Championship at the same point, to a very strong Donegal side, that would trouble most teams.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2012, 11:46:35 AM
This will be something.
Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney on a (hopefully) sunny warm Saturday is the nicest place in the world to be at a match. Throw in all the sideshows from the past and we should have a cracker on our hands.
I hope the B&Bs can cater for the Northern hordes that will travel. Remember, travelling through Longford keep the boot down. Down I say. Or perhaps stop off in Lynn's in Edgeworthstown for a quick pint for the travelling companions. It's a hoor of a journey.
The motorway to Limerick now is hard to bate and knocks nearly an hour off the journey.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2012, 11:57:17 AM
Ah NO NO NO
That's it I'm not watching it now
Syferus has tipped us to beat them
O'Neill are you going to it? Can you bring down some spare handbags as we're running low.
I remember going on holiday to Kerry in the late 80's and getting warm welcome from Kerry people?
They liked us Tyrone wans and thought we were a lovely wee team to beat, playing nice-ish football.
I'd say Brolly would love to be in studio with Pukey for this one.
Did you hear Des challenging Pat last night about how Clare were amadans not playing defensively with a sweeper.
Yeah and Spillane not having a clue what to say other than.....At the end of the day the bottom lines is..........at the end of the day.........the bottom line is..........not quite sure what he was saying! One of the few times I heard him stuck for words.
This is set to be a full house. Its too compelling to not go, some cant but many will. Neutrals who want to see the battle will travel. Management on last legs, a team according to Spillane going nowhere but a team with 4 former players of the year on it, poaching goalscorers, pacy point takers, the best freetaker in Ireland, high fielders.. incredible to think they are doubting themselves. Kerry have huge capacity to improve, on where they are at at the moment, Tyrone are playing reasonably well, but may not have the scope for improvement that the Kingdom have. I dont know if either team can win the AI but that isnt important at the moment. Id have loved the thought of a fully fit Mc Menamin, a tigerish Dooher and a bruising Hub Hughes in the panel, but they arent there. If anything the wounded animal is more dangerous his claws mightnt be as sharp as they were but they can still inflict mortal damage. To be a last hurrah or new Tyrone coming of age. I expect a physical battle and thrilling football. My fear is Tyrone dont have the physical element as they did before, whilst Kerry must throw anything thats in in the toolbox at Tyrone. I dont see Kerry coming back from a loss this big anytime soon - they surely have too much to lose here. Tyrone if they managed to beat Kerry might start to look purposeful in terms of all irelands, although they will have to beat Donegal, Dublin or Cork at some point - teams that have been much better than them in recent years... its still too early for Tyrone, however a Kerry win and they will become amongst the favourites for the AI.
Kerry haven't gone away. They were All Ireland champions last year after 65 mins in the final. Whatever that means. Ricey v Galvin. O'Connor looking to bate all around him in Omagh.
I hope both O'Neill and O'Sullivan play to complete the occasion. Just a pity big Sean isn't there.
For Jack O'Connor, the thought of losing will be terrifying; for Mickey Harte the thought of winning will be thrilling.
Long live the power of positive thought!
Well this draw has set the cat among the pigeons. Kerry will be under huge pressure going into this one, but maybe pressure could be just that they need at this stage. You look at their team, and although not as talented as the 2009 version there is some huge potential there.
Kerry have struggled for form against so-called 'lesser' opposition in the qualifiers, not least yesterday but they have stumbled through, partly due to experience and their fabled winning mentality. Tyrone are one of the very few teams that can match them in this department. So it becomes a game where form and tactics will decide it. Tactically Tyrone have won these battles in the past, although Jack O'Connor was only in charge for one of these games (2005) but O'Connor is coming under a fair amount of criticism himself at present.
Kerry's issue at the moment is a number of key players are badly out of form - Young, Declan O'Sullivan, Galvin (although he played better yesterday apparently), Donaghy and even Cooper to a lesser extent. You know these players have the ability, it is whether they can re-discover their best form when they need it. And now they suddenly need to find it much sooner in the summer than they would have wanted.
Kerry are vulnerable enough at the back but whether Tyrone have the ammunition to punish them is the question. It will be interesting to see if Stephen O'Neill is available for this one. You would imagine they will keep McCurry in reserve to start off with.
Hard to say more until the teams are revealed. Kerry would be a lot stronger themselves if they had Darren O'Sullivan fit and raring to go.
There'll be serious momentum for whoever wins this especially with Clare being the fourth round opponents for the victors. I would fancy Kerry to take it. They're not what they were but I feel there is definitely one big kick left in them and no better team than Tyrone to provide the necessary motivation. The fact that they managed to dig deep yesterday and claw back that six point defecit has sort of been glossed over because everyone thought it would be a comfortable victory for them. It proved the hunger was still there and the question now is how many big games are left in the legs of the likes of the two Ó Sé's, Brosnan, O'Mahoney and Galvin.
Don't ask me why or how but I fancy Tyrone to nick a close game.
What do any of ye WestMeade folk think?
I'd say the Derrytresk v Dromid thing could certainly have some impact in the mood
Of course there has been some interesting BATTLES down in Kerry between ourselves in the league but this is a first. I remember listening to Micko when I was a young lad and he was asked about an open draw. His first reply was I'd not fancy going for a 1st round match up to Omagh or them coming down here.
In those days we were in awe of Kerry and I thought nah that will never happen.
I see the winners of this face Clare
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When will we know if it is televised? Is it def on sat evening? Mouth watering fixture for both teams and neutrals alike. 8)
Banker to be on the teilifís.
Meeting at three to finalise times and stuff.
If I've one regret about this fixture it is that there's not enough Kerry lads or lassies on this board
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What ever happened to his wee brother, Barry John wasn't it?
Tyrone have a lot more pace in their team compared to the last time we met Kerry and I think Kerry's MF & defence are a lot poorer than a few years ago.
Whilst Kerry's forwards have great potential I think they'll be shocked at the amount of space they'll be afforded in this game. Tyrone's tactics v Donegal gave me great hope of what they can achieve and we know we can still put up big scores
0.19 away to Armagh
0.10 v Donegal's blanket defense
1.16 away to Roscommon
Whilst I am excited and hopeful I am still aware its Kerry away and they've had their wake-up call last week and know this is their BIG BIG chance to catch this annoying Nordie monkey that has been on their back for the last 10 years.
I'll see does the wife & mother in law fancy a weekend in Killarney or Tralee?
The baby is only 6 days old but he already has his red hand jersey.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
This is set to be a full house. Memories of Maurice Fitz that free and the taking on of the dubs in the qualifiers in a thrilling Kerry Summers evening spring to mind.
Since when is Thurles in Kerry?
Quote from: EC Unique on July 16, 2012, 01:47:07 PM
When will we know if it is televised? Is it def on sat evening? Mouth watering fixture for both teams and neutrals alike. 8)
It's definitely going to be televised.
We'll know the date and time in an hour.
My money is that it'll be on in Killarney at 5pm on Saturday.
i would say it has to be Saturday evening as Tyrone minors are playing monaghan in the Ulster final in clones on Sunday at 12.
Saturday 5 pm sounds about right id say.
When I heard the draw I fancied Tyrone but then I heard about the home advantage and I'm not so sure. One thing is for sure - the winner is going to be in a great position to attack another Sam.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2012, 02:27:34 PM
If I've one regret about this fixture it is that there's not enough Kerry lads or lassies on this board
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What ever happened to his wee brother, Barry John wasn't it?
Tyrone have a lot more pace in their team compared to the last time we met Kerry and I think Kerry's MF & defence are a lot poorer than a few years ago.
Whilst Kerry's forwards have great potential I think they'll be shocked at the amount of space they'll be afforded in this game. Tyrone's tactics v Donegal gave me great hope of what they can achieve and we know we can still put up big scores
0.19 away to Armagh
0.10 v Donegal's blanket defense
1.16 away to Roscommon
Whilst I am excited and hopeful I am still aware its Kerry away and they've had their wake-up call last week and know this is their BIG BIG chance to catch this annoying Nordie monkey that has been on their back for the last 10 years.
I'll see does the wife & mother in law fancy a weekend in Killarney or Tralee?
The baby is only 6 days old but he already has his red hand jersey.
have to ask you there Fuzzman, where does that quote come from?
Looks like Braveheart to me
Yeah Braveheart or was it Paul Galvin below?
Should I email Joe Duffy and tell him he'll be busy next Monday.
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Here is the speech of William Wallace from "Braveheart":
"I am William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my countrymen,
here in defiance of tyranny! You have come to fight as free men. And
free man you are! What will you do without freedom? Will you fight?"
"Two thousand against ten?" - the veteran shouted. "No! We will
run - and live!"
"Yes!" Wallace shouted back. "Fight and you may die. Run and you
will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now,
would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for
one chance, just one cahnce, to come back here as young men and tell
our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take
our freedom!"
What about places to stay for us tyrone folk thinking of making the long trek down south..drove it last year to watch the golf..serious drive but a beautiful place..first time ever there..killarney a great drinkin town..superb place to celebrate :)
Do ye's take the sterling down there?
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
Do ye's take the sterling down there?
We'll take monopoly money at this stage....
The way things are down there they would accept chickens, pigs, virgins or any form of scrap metal.
Quote from: bigfrank on July 16, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
What about places to stay for us tyrone folk thinking of making the long trek down south..drove it last year to watch the golf..serious drive but a beautiful place..first time ever there..killarney a great drinkin town..superb place to celebrate :)
Accommodation will be easy enought to find. If you want a town centre hotel room at a decent price, book fairly soon seeing that it's at the height of the Summer season. However there should be lots of B&Bs and further out hotel rooms available seeing that Killarney has the 2nd most accommodation beds in the country after Dublin and the wash-out of a Summer is keeping the vacancies signs up.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 16, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
The way things are down there they would accept chickens, pigs, virgins or any form of scrap metal.
Check your exchange rates. Not all of them have the same value when you go down there.
Is it definitely Killarney?
I know a fella from Tyrone who reckons they'll win this one handy enough.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2012, 04:00:12 PM
I know a fella from Tyrone who reckons they'll win this one handy enough.
You and your mates! :)
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 16, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
The way things are down there they would accept chickens, pigs, virgins or any form of scrap metal.
brilliant...walking up to the narra turnstiles with a few lengths of copper piping, 'excuse me, sorry, excuse me.....'
Really looking forward to this game. Will be hectic from the off. Extra-time in the event of a draw?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 16, 2012, 04:00:12 PM
I know a fella from Tyrone who reckons they'll win this one handy enough.
Did he think the same about Mayo in '04 and Louth (1st game) and Laois in '05?
This game is really a question of which era it's an end of IMO.
Should be very interesting.
Where's our aul pal Mikey Sheehy today? Surely not on holidays Mike?
Imagine if ye waited for 10 years to get a home tie with the cheeky nouveau riche and then yer stuck with her indoors in some ponsy hotel in Spain with no access to RTE or TV3.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Where's our aul pal Mikey Sheehy today? Surely not on holidays Mike?
Imagine if ye waited for 10 years to get a home tie with the cheeky nouveau riche and then yer stuck with her indoors in some ponsy hotel in Spain with no access to RTE or TV3.
Ssssshhhhhh ... at this time of the day his mammy has put him down in the cot with his dummy tit
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Where's our aul pal Mikey Sheehy today? Surely not on holidays Mike?
Imagine if ye waited for 10 years to get a home tie with the cheeky nouveau riche and then yer stuck with her indoors in some ponsy hotel in Spain with no access to RTE or TV3.
Now that his comments are going to be put to the test, he's feared that he could be shown up for the obvious WUM he is. If Tyrone do make it through to meet Clare, expect Mikey sometime late August.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
This game is really a question of which era it's an end of IMO.
Should be very interesting.
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
Bring on the gimp
5pm throw in.
Must be on TV.
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
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Exactly - the average age of the likely starting XV will be 26! Such lazy analysis, and watch spillane & co spout this theory come the weekend.
As regards the end of an era, regardless of the result I dont buy into that at all. Bear in mind the likes of Kyle Coney & Ronan O'Neill etc will be available next year, Conor Clark a 20 year old at Full back, Darren McCurry making a claim now at 19. Loads of good talent there, nice blend of experience as well...
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 16, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
5pm throw in.
Must be on TV.
Just heard on Facebook, that the game is marked for televising. :D
Obviously a compromise- TV3 wanted to show the game at 7pm but Tyrone requested a 2pm start
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
This game is really a question of which era it's an end of IMO.
Should be very interesting.
Au contraire: it will either be a death (Kerry's) or a (re)birth (Tyrone's).
Must be Tyrone's to lose. Kerry finished. The red hand shall rise in the south.
This is the perfect draw for Kerry, it's shit or get off the pot for us.
We were pretty good last year, pretty good in the league this year, pretty average against Tipp and pretty awful in the two games since then. I don't really buy the idea that lads' legs have fallen off all of a sudden in the last six or eight weeks, it's looked much more to me as though guys just haven't been tuned in. If they don't get up for this game they might as well pack it in.
I'm hoping for and expecting a big performance from Kerry, can't wait for Saturday.
Will be a hollow victory for Jack O'Connor. Won't be able to take much kudos from beating a Tyrone side full of inexperience. Allied to the fact that they are at home. Looks like he will retire not having fulfilled his cherished dream of taking the scalp of a Tyrone team in the big arena of Croke Park on a much bigger occasion than a 3rd round qualifier in Killarney.
It's a great game to look forward to.
The three players who always stood out against Kerry for me were Jordan, McGuigan and Gormley. We'll be missing about half of that and I'm not sure if the replacements have the same drive. It's a real test for the likes of McCarron, the Donnellys, Harte, Clarke and McNabb if he makes it. We don't know what they're made of in terms of playing under such pressurised conditions. Playing down in Killarney will tell the tale.
If Tyrone win this they'll be in a very good place. Lose and it was the luck of the draw at this early stage.
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
Just want to correct you on one of the ages, Colm Cavanagh will be 25 this year, fairly sure he's still 24. Seems to have been around forever. The idea that Tyrone are some bunch of old men now is just wrong.
Mickey started to change the team in Longford last year in the first round of the qualifiers. We could well be beaten on Saturday but there's progress been made this year and I'd be very confident we'll be a much stronger prospect next year. Quietly confident we can take something out of Killarney
Tyrone 2/1 to claim victory....worth a punt!?
Was Kerry Westmeath game yday, Tyrone have very little to fear but should be a great occasion, listening to the Bomber on the radio, expecting a massive crowd down for it and be cracking atmosphere!
Quote from: Keane on July 16, 2012, 05:25:58 PM
This is the perfect draw for Kerry, it's shit or get off the pot for us.
We were pretty good last year, pretty good in the league this year, pretty average against Tipp and pretty awful in the two games since then. I don't really buy the idea that lads' legs have fallen off all of a sudden in the last six or eight weeks, it's looked much more to me as though guys just haven't been tuned in. If they don't get up for this game they might as well pack it in.
I'm hoping for and expecting a big performance from Kerry, can't wait for Saturday.
I tend to agree with this, I think it's a better draw for Kerry than for Tyrone. It wouldn't be the first time that Kerry have been unconvincing against a team that they would have expected to beat pretty easily - then gone on to lift their game dramatically against a stronger outfit. If Kerry were indeed finished then they wouldn't have come back at the weekend. 1-9 to 1-3 down in Mullingar and with the momentum against them it would have been the easiest thing to chuck it. Instead they dug it out. The chance of finally burying Tyrone and in front of their own people is bound to bring them on further. There is also the fact that Kerry right now are stronger than Tyrone, they almost had Sam last summer whereas Tyrone were flattered by a 7 point defeat against the Dubs. I actually think Tyrone have made good progress since then and are on the right track, but they are still not at a high enough level to win this one, and the loss of Sean and Coney has put them back a bit.
All that said it will be a good experience for the young lads and how sweet a victory it would be if they did manage to dig it out ;D. Don't see it though. I believe Kerry will win this with a bit to spare.
Come Saturday night around 8.30 will he have predicted the end of Kerry all along or the end of puke football once and for all.
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This could well be a cracker and despite the bookies view of Kerry at 1/2 the handicap is only 2pts. Wont be much in it one way or another.
Question is which Kerry is going to turn up. The one that surprised the Dubs in the 2009 AIQF or the one running on dirty petrol.
Quote from: barelegs on July 16, 2012, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
Just want to correct you on one of the ages, Colm Cavanagh will be 25 this year, fairly sure he's still 24. Seems to have been around forever. The idea that Tyrone are some bunch of old men now is just wrong.
Mickey started to change the team in Longford last year in the first round of the qualifiers. We could well be beaten on Saturday but there's progress been made this year and I'd be very confident we'll be a much stronger prospect next year. Quietly confident we can take something out of Killarney
On the contrary, after looking at those ages I realise that the idea that tyrone are a new young team is way off the mark ( i havn't heard them called an old team this year). The like of Donnelley and even micky murphy havn't played much football the past 10 years but they around 28 yeard old.
I loved watching these 2 teams at their peak, and i always backed tyrone, and wish they would have met in champo again in 09 or 2010 when both teams were still at their best. Kerry are getting on but they still have 10 top class footballers. I would fancy tyrone to be in a better place than kerry in 3 years time but kerry should have enough to win this time.
In saying that, tyrone will probably win it again
Seriously pumped up for a qualifier for virtually the first time ever. Kerry co. board are refusing to postpone league games set for Sunday though which means we can't have a few in Killarney Sat night...if we win I won't care much though. Clare a handy draw for the winners but nobod thinking that far yet.
Has anyone called for segregation of the fans yet? ;)
Quote from: Orchardman on July 16, 2012, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: barelegs on July 16, 2012, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
Just want to correct you on one of the ages, Colm Cavanagh will be 25 this year, fairly sure he's still 24. Seems to have been around forever. The idea that Tyrone are some bunch of old men now is just wrong.
Mickey started to change the team in Longford last year in the first round of the qualifiers. We could well be beaten on Saturday but there's progress been made this year and I'd be very confident we'll be a much stronger prospect next year. Quietly confident we can take something out of Killarney
On the contrary, after looking at those ages I realise that the idea that tyrone are a new young team is way off the mark ( i havn't heard them called an old team this year). The like of Donnelley and even micky murphy havn't played much football the past 10 years but they around 28 yeard old.
I loved watching these 2 teams at their peak, and i always backed tyrone, and wish they would have met in champo again in 09 or 2010 when both teams were still at their best. Kerry are getting on but they still have 10 top class footballers. I would fancy tyrone to be in a better place than kerry in 3 years time but kerry should have enough to win this time.
In saying that, tyrone will probably win it again
You might be right the Kerry veterans should have sufficient motivation to get up for this one. The animals will love it if they win this one - but they must surely realize that the noughties team that they could never beat when it counted is gone. We will see what our young cubs have in them in Killarney, no lose situation for us. That said I'd love to win and keep this team building confidence for a push next year
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 16, 2012, 07:17:17 PM
Seriously pumped up for a qualifier for virtually the first time ever. Kerry co. board are refusing to postpone league games set for Sunday though which means we can't have a few in Killarney Sat night...if we win I won't care much though. Clare a handy draw for the winners but nobod thinking that far yet.
Has anyone called for segregation of the fans yet? ;)
Everyone wants to sit beside Mike Sheehy, for some reason...
The ref is Meath's David Coldrick.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 11:52:04 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 11:49:03 AM
Tyrone on the way up, Kerry on the way down. Will the two teams meet in the middle?
My money's on a victory for Tyrone.
Kerry 1-09 Tyrone 2-11
That's questionable. Tyrone have the better young players coming through but they've got worse since last year.
How?
They got promotion to Division 1 in the National League. Exited the Ulster Championship at the same point, to a very strong Donegal side, that would trouble most teams.
What I meant is a little complicated - I'd agree that in the medium term Tyrone's fortunes look to be trending up but the retirements and injuries since last year have meant that Tyrone aren't as strong or as able to flood the field with good subs as they were last year. if Tyrone were an 8.5 last year they'd maybe be a 8 this year, if we go down that road. A slight, but noticeable drop.
I think another factor is that Tyrone seem to take every game of the year very seriously, from McKenna Cup to NFL. That's a very good tact to take but it means that whereas plenty of teams tend to up their performance in the championship Tyrone tend to stay in the same area throughout. Hence great early season results and only good late season results.
That's also to say that Kerry have had a far more sharp drop and unless the weariness that seems to be permeating the panel is blown away by the arrival of Tyrone I don't see them going much further. Tyrone more so than Kerry have alot to win in this game, the momentum from beating Kerry in Kerry and a soft draw in the 4th round can put Tyrone in a good position to upset a provincial champion. I'll need to see more from Kerry before I could say they're capable of even that.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
The ref is Meath's David Coldrick.
Mmmmm. I remember he turned a blind eye to the Donegal cynicism in the Ulster semi.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 16, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
The ref individual in the referee's outfit with a whistle is Meath's David Coldrick.
I honest to god think Tyrone people are delusional about whereabouts they are in the pecking order at the minute. The early stages of transition are replacing fantastic athletic footballers with immobile, less talented run of the mill footballers. Any team with Mark donnelly at CHF will win nothing - deceptively slow. The athleticism (& talent) that was central to the 3 AI's is being replaced with mediocrity.
Kerry by 4 points, if they can be arsed.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 08:18:45 PM
I honest to god think Tyrone people are delusional about whereabouts they are in the pecking order at the minute. The early stages of transition are replacing fantastic athletic footballers with immobile, less talented run of the mill footballers. Any team with Mark donnelly at CHF will win nothing - deceptively slow. The athleticism (& talent) that was central to the 3 AI's is being replaced with mediocrity.
Kerry by 4 points, if they can be arsed.
I've emailed this to Mickey Harte. He's thanked you for the additional tool he'll be nailing to the changing room door and Mark Donnelly's locker.
Do gaa players have lockers?
Any truth that a few of the Derrytresk lads have been called up to the panel for Saturday ?
I really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
QuoteI really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
*Sits back, opens the popcorn and a can of Coke and waits for the temperature to rise on the thread*
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 08:18:45 PM
I honest to god think Tyrone people are delusional about whereabouts they are in the pecking order at the minute. The early stages of transition are replacing fantastic athletic footballers with immobile, less talented run of the mill footballers. Any team with Mark donnelly at CHF will win nothing - deceptively slow. The athleticism (& talent) that was central to the 3 AI's is being replaced with mediocrity.
Kerry by 4 points, if they can be arsed.
Armagh fans have been writing off Tyrone for as long as I can remember. The usual line was that Tyrone were in the same place Armagh were post 2002/3. Team was past its best etc. But Tyrone went on to prove that they could reinvent themself with a further 2 All Irelands. I don't think the team at the minute is as good as 2005 or 2008 but it still has some potential. Kerry aren't the team they were either and I'd say its an even enough game which is evidenced by the bookies odds despite Kerry being at home.
This could be a real thriller and I expect some fireworks along the way. The site of the other teams jerseys will be enough to lift the players on both sides.
Kerry county board spotted having a meeting in the malton hotel. No sign of segregation in there anyway.
If Darren O'Sullivan's hamstring recovers I fancy Kerry to shade this. Too many fellows with too much to prove after yesterday. I completely forgot Declan O'Sullivan was playing till the second half, he was that quiet.
Haven't look as forward to a championship match as much since the 2008 Q/F v Dublin..
Great draw for both teams as a victory will give either team a serious confidence boost. Looking forward to a night out in Killarney and hopefully celebrating a Tyrone victory.
Dont think either team will win Sam but would have to give Kerry the edge...on paper at least, but hopefully the green and gold jerseys will inspire Tyrone to a new (higher) level this summer.!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
QuoteI really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
*Sits back, opens the popcorn and a can of Coke and waits for the temperature to rise on the thread*
They could teach us a thing or two about English queens: Rapturous Welcome in Kerry for Queen Victoria (http://www.kerryman.ie/news/when-queen-victoria-received-a-kerry-welcome-2618507.html?start=2)
The Kerry Evening Post said of Queen Victoria's visit: "Her reception has been, we are glad to say, everything that could be wished, cordial, hearty, respectful, and the courteous demeanour of our Sovereign since she came amongst us has deepened the feelings of loyalty and love with which her faithful subjects regard her person and her throne."
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 08:18:45 PM
I honest to god think Tyrone people are delusional about whereabouts they are in the pecking order at the minute. The early stages of transition are replacing fantastic athletic footballers with immobile, less talented run of the mill footballers. Any team with Mark donnelly at CHF will win nothing - deceptively slow. The athleticism (& talent) that was central to the 3 AI's is being replaced with mediocrity.
Kerry by 4 points, if they can be arsed.
Armagh fans have been writing off Tyrone for as long as I can remember. The usual line was that Tyrone were in the same place Armagh were post 2002/3. Team was past its best etc. But Tyrone went on to prove that they could reinvent themself with a further 2 All Irelands. I don't think the team at the minute is as good as 2005 or 2008 but it still has some potential. Kerry aren't the team they were either and I'd say its an even enough game which is evidenced by the bookies odds despite Kerry being at home.
This could be a real thriller and I expect some fireworks along the way. The site of the other teams jerseys will be enough to lift the players on both sides.
Agreed. Kerry have a lot of miles on the clock. Finalists last year. Winners two years before that and, of course, you are not true champions unless you have won back to back all irelands. We dont have the luxury of sneaking an all ireland and then taking a year or 4 off ::) to recharge the batteries. This constant refusal to let standards drop obviously takes a toll so you would have to favour the up and coming Tyrone team, especially with all those grants they get from the british government for things like "centres of excellence" and the like (oh la-di-da says you)...we make do with kicking an auld pigskin around the place down here
in the home of football.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
QuoteI really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
*Sits back, opens the popcorn and a can of Coke and waits for the temperature to rise on the thread*
They could teach us a thing or two about English queens: Rapturous Welcome in Kerry for Queen Victoria (http://www.kerryman.ie/news/when-queen-victoria-received-a-kerry-welcome-2618507.html?start=2)
The Kerry Evening Post said of Queen Victoria's visit: "Her reception has been, we are glad to say, everything that could be wished, cordial, hearty, respectful, and the courteous demeanour of our Sovereign since she came amongst us has deepened the feelings of loyalty and love with which her faithful subjects regard her person and her throne."
Hey, at least we kicked the auld bag out. For all ye're brave nationalist talk though, you lads were always too fond of the Queen's shilling. Couldn't give it up.
Tyrone's demise can be clearly traced back to the Cork semi in 09, I can recall sitting in the stand being convinced i'd saw the end of a great team, nothing since has me thinking otherwise and as I've already stated there isn't one player who's came in since who's been better the person he's replaced.
The fact that you all still think you're great is fun for the rest of too mind.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
I really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
We will lend ye Billy Sheehan back for the day, he knows how to put them Nordies back in their box.
The dying kick for two teams both past their best.Home advantage and the desire of Kerry to finally beat Tyrone could be the decisive factor.Sadly the winners are not likely to be getting anywhere near Sam.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
Tyrone's demise can be clearly traced back to the Cork semi in 09, I can recall sitting in the stand being convinced i'd saw the end of a great team, nothing since has me thinking otherwise and as I've already stated there isn't one player who's came in since who's been better the person he's replaced.
The fact that you all still think you're great is fun for the rest of too mind.
I think Tyrone fans are pretty realistic at where we're at. We are below the level of 2003-2008 but still have a decent squad and decent players coming through. If any fans have over estimated how good they are in recent years its been Armagh fans who have failed to accept that they are around 20-25 in Ireland and no matter how much management is blamed thats where they've been at.
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 09:41:07 PM
Hey, at least we kicked the auld bag out. For all ye're brave nationalist talk though, you lads were always too fond of the Queen's shilling. Couldn't give it up.
This sounds like fighting talk all right [referring to her visit and her Kerry subjects]:...
has deepened the feelings of loyalty and love with which her faithful subjects regard her person and her throne. We'll shoot ourselves if we could ever be accused of coming out with such obsequious and fawning submissiveness (puke)! :)
More chance of seeing the AI winners in Portlaoise next Sat.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 16, 2012, 09:59:15 PM
More chance of seeing the AI winners in Portlaoise next Sat.
No Dublin are in Croke Park on Sunday.
Quote from: comeontheredhands on July 16, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
???
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
QuoteI really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
*Sits back, opens the popcorn and a can of Coke and waits for the temperature to rise on the thread*
They could teach us a thing or two about English queens: Rapturous Welcome in Kerry for Queen Victoria (http://www.kerryman.ie/news/when-queen-victoria-received-a-kerry-welcome-2618507.html?start=2)
The Kerry Evening Post said of Queen Victoria's visit: "Her reception has been, we are glad to say, everything that could be wished, cordial, hearty, respectful, and the courteous demeanour of our Sovereign since she came amongst us has deepened the feelings of loyalty and love with which her faithful subjects regard her person and her throne."
Hey, at least we kicked the auld bag out. For all ye're brave nationalist talk though, you lads were always too fond of the Queen's shilling. Couldn't give it up.
Somebody has woken up in the crib in a bad mood ... get your mammy to give you some Farley's rusks and calm down. And dig out of the thatch those Union Jacks youse Kerry people were so fond of waving at the Famine Queen so you can welcome us Brits on Saturday
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 16, 2012, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
Tyrone's demise can be clearly traced back to the Cork semi in 09, I can recall sitting in the stand being convinced i'd saw the end of a great team, nothing since has me thinking otherwise and as I've already stated there isn't one player who's came in since who's been better the person he's replaced.
The fact that you all still think you're great is fun for the rest of too mind.
I think Tyrone fans are pretty realistic at where we're at. We are below the level of 2003-2008 but still have a decent squad and decent players coming through. If any fans have over estimated how good they are in recent years its been Armagh fans who have failed to accept that they are around 20-25 in Ireland and no matter how much management is blamed thats where they've been at.
Armagh come into the Kerry v Tyrone equation how exactly ::) whataboutery as Evil Genius would say. Armagh are shit, end of...
It's nice to have the support of Armagh but it doesn't make the job any easier. we are under no illusion, that Kerry have home advantage, experience, cynicism, were narrowly bate last year in the final and that joe has no time to grow the beard, we are young, inexperienced and enjoying our run but are under no expectation. Kerry are strong favourites.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 16, 2012, 09:53:01 PM
The dying kick for two teams both past their best.Home advantage and the desire of Kerry to finally beat Tyrone could be the decisive factor.Sadly the winners are not likely to be getting anywhere near Sam.
I hear you're not the best with dates, so I'll remind you, this is 2012. The noughties Tyrone team is gone, not 'past their best'. They're be about 5 starters who started in 2008.
Both teams probably good enough to get near Sam, but not to actually win, you're right in that.
good link on home advantage here.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ks3vh/Advantage_Home/
We may need to bring back a couple of the last Kerry players to experience victory over Tyrone in the championship.
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/b6/12/6c/8b3614af48ee78ff06174aaca4/INPHO_00017592.jpg)
Whatever about the trash talk between now and saturday evening it promises to be an occasion.
This Kerry team may be finished but so was the one in 1986 ;)
Quote from: comeontheredhands on July 16, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
you sure? :)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county-board/na-fo-choisti-sub-committees/county-hq-committee/
Remit: To ensure the County HQ is established as Tyrone's Administrative and Coaching Centre of Excellence as soon as practicable
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 16, 2012, 10:17:41 PM
This Kerry team may be finished but so was the one in 1986 ;)
True Frank, we will never forget the last time Kerry beat Tyrone in the Championship, all
26 years since! ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on July 16, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 16, 2012, 04:13:53 PM
This game is really a question of which era it's an end of IMO.
Should be very interesting.
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
As some others said the quality you're replacing with is just not the same.
Some see division 2 promotion as an achievement but is it not a worry how you got there in the first place.
Peter Harte only younger guy so far at level of 03/08 teams I think.
Still a top 8 team but a fair way off... Where Kerry are -well this game will answer a lot.
It's true that Tyrone need this scalp to prove they're anywhere near the top table. Since 2008 we've faltered against Cork, Dublin and Donegal. It's been a while since Tyrone have won a heavyweight clash. Kerry, for all their form, are still top 4. This is a massive test for Tyrone. Hopefully it's a breakthrough victory. I'm not convinced but sure nothing new there. The Kildare defeat in the NFL final bugs me.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 16, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
Tyrone's demise can be clearly traced back to the Cork semi in 09, I can recall sitting in the stand being convinced i'd saw the end of a great team, nothing since has me thinking otherwise and as I've already stated there isn't one player who's came in since who's been better the person he's replaced.
The fact that you all still think you're great is fun for the rest of too mind.
Armagh's demise can be clearly traced back to the minute Marsden got sent off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NASQbXQOFw
The fact that I saw an Armagh team reach the pinnacle keeps me on an even keel, Faustian pacts have to be honoured.
Quote from: sheamy on July 16, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: comeontheredhands on July 16, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
you sure? :)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county-board/na-fo-choisti-sub-committees/county-hq-committee/
Remit: To ensure the County HQ is established as Tyrone's Administrative and Coaching Centre of Excellence as soon as practicable
All that money spent on getting 15 men behind the ball so that you can stop more talented teams from playing. Tyrone have a lot to answer for. Has the county ever produced a natural footballer worth mentioning ?
Its sad to think of the sacred sod of Fitzgerald stadium being defiled by these journeymen sprinters...is there any chance we could just give up home advantage ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 16, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: comeontheredhands on July 16, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
you sure? :)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county-board/na-fo-choisti-sub-committees/county-hq-committee/
Remit: To ensure the County HQ is established as Tyrone's Administrative and Coaching Centre of Excellence as soon as practicable
All that money spent on getting 15 men behind the ball so that you can stop more talented teams from playing. Tyrone have a lot to answer for. Has the county ever produced a natural footballer worth mentioning ?
Its sad to think of the sacred sod of Fitzgerald stadium being defiled by these journeymen sprinters...is there any chance we could just give up home advantage ?
Canavan and O'Neill would be two for a start. It was sad to see Jack O'Connor then resorting to these defensive tactics as his template to win the AI in 2009. One of the most cautious coaches of modern times.
Quote from: rrhf on July 16, 2012, 10:58:03 PM
Can u watch this match live on Internet
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There's been some shite talked here in the last few pages after such positive excitement in the 1st 5 pages when we learnt of the draw.
I'd expect it from some of the Kerry lads who haven't got much common sense when they talk about the queen and defensive puke football.
The nouveau riche as they labelled us seems to be term that Jack used that really annoys their own people
My reading of that term is that he sees us as a team that used to be the poor paupers who never won anything but now they've claimed a new higher status in their own recent generation but are too smug in our eyes.
The Armagh lads have been crying for us to admit our demise for some time now so maybe we should give them what they want.
I think most Tyrone lads in here (Not all) do not see us as being in the top 4 or 5 teams in the country but there are a good few of us who think we could travel down to Kerry and bate them old aristocrats one more time.
I for one think we certainly could beat Kerry next Sat if we defend like we did v Donegal but if I'm to be honest they do have to be favourites in their own back yard. I think we could frustrate their forwards and then the crowd will get on their backs.
Mikey am sure P Canavan and F Mcguigan would been 2 worth mentioning that wouldnt had look ed out of place in the green and gold!! hard to call this one, i reckon Kerry are on a bad slide and should have been beaten by westmeath. Tyrone have always caused them problems but the home advantage in the qualifiers has always been a big thing. Tyrone are playing well, Kerry are playing very poor, hard to call really.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 16, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: comeontheredhands on July 16, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Tyrone by 3 after they ease up towards the finish.Tyrone voodoo to work again on the former home of football.
By the way Sheepy ? if u boys put as much of ur own yoyo's into Kerry GAA as Tyrone gaels have put into the Garvaghy project(with not one £ from our Queen) ye' s might be better off both of and on the pitch. Ps we wouldn't have the arrogance to call it a centre of excellence.
Tir Eoghain Abu !!!!
you sure? :)
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county-board/na-fo-choisti-sub-committees/county-hq-committee/
Remit: To ensure the County HQ is established as Tyrone's Administrative and Coaching Centre of Excellence as soon as practicable
All that money spent on getting 15 men behind the ball so that you can stop more talented teams from playing. Tyrone have a lot to answer for. Has the county ever produced a natural footballer worth mentioning ?
Its sad to think of the sacred sod of Fitzgerald stadium being defiled by these journeymen sprinters...is there any chance we could just give up home advantage ?
Unless the game is fixed in Amercia you've little to be worrying about. Any thoughts on the game or are you just going to ruin the thread with bullshit like you've been doing for years?
QuoteUnless the game is fixed in Amercia you've little to be worrying about. Any thoughts on the game or are you just going to ruin the thread with bullshit like you've been doing for years?
Talk football with you ? none of you Tymoan gobshites have anything remotely interesting to say on football.
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
Exactly - the average age of the likely starting XV will be 26! Such lazy analysis, and watch spillane & co spout this theory come the weekend.
As regards the end of an era, regardless of the result I dont buy into that at all. Bear in mind the likes of Kyle Coney & Ronan O'Neill etc will be available next year, Conor Clark a 20 year old at Full back, Darren McCurry making a claim now at 19. Loads of good talent there, nice blend of experience as well...
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
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As well as the young players already mentioned Mattie Donnelly and Niall McKenna have been getting a good bit of game time this year and are only early twenties too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2012, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
Exactly - the average age of the likely starting XV will be 26! Such lazy analysis, and watch spillane & co spout this theory come the weekend.
As regards the end of an era, regardless of the result I dont buy into that at all. Bear in mind the likes of Kyle Coney & Ronan O'Neill etc will be available next year, Conor Clark a 20 year old at Full back, Darren McCurry making a claim now at 19. Loads of good talent there, nice blend of experience as well...
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29
Cathal McCarron, 26
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29
Average / Mean = 26
As well as the young players already mentioned Mattie Donnelly and Niall McKenna have been getting a good bit of game time this year and are only early twenties too. Its easy to say that the new players coming through aren't as good as the 03-08 brigade, but it takes any new up and coming young player a season or two to establish themselves at senior intercounty level. The late 90's minor batch took a few years before they became real stand out players, and it all came together in 2003. The current young players coming through have all the same pedigree as SON, BmG, Hub, Cormac, Jordan etc did when they came onto the scene, time will tell how the newest group pan out but it doesn't happen over night.
People are probably right about this Tyrone team being a little short in terms of winning the All Ireland this year, but a win in Kerry and a possible quarter final in Croker will bring theses young lads on massively and set the team up nicely for next year. Can't wait for Saturday night - should be a cracker.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2012, 08:30:42 AM
Quote from: God14 on July 16, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Why talk of the end of an era for Tyrone? Most of the old guys are gone and there is a good scattering of youth in the team with a strong youthfull bench. The start of an era for Tyrone I think.
Exactly - the average age of the likely starting XV will be 26! Such lazy analysis, and watch spillane & co spout this theory come the weekend.
As regards the end of an era, regardless of the result I dont buy into that at all. Bear in mind the likes of Kyle Coney & Ronan O'Neill etc will be available next year, Conor Clark a 20 year old at Full back, Darren McCurry making a claim now at 19. Loads of good talent there, nice blend of experience as well...
Packie, 31
McCrory, 24
Clarke, 20
Carlin, 29 - 27
Cathal McCarron, 26- i think he is 23 or 24
Gormley, 31
Sean O'Neill, 25
Colm Cavanagh, 26
Joe McMahon, 29 - 28
Ronan McNabb, 22
Peter Harte, 22
Mark Donnelly, 28 - 26
Mulligan, 30
SON, 31
Penrose, 29 - 27
Average / Mean = 26
As well as the young players already mentioned Mattie Donnelly and Niall McKenna have been getting a good bit of game time this year and are only early twenties too. Its easy to say that the new players coming through aren't as good as the 03-08 brigade, but it takes any new up and coming young player a season or two to establish themselves at senior intercounty level. The late 90's minor batch took a few years before they became real stand out players, and it all came together in 2003. The current young players coming through have all the same pedigree as SON, BmG, Hub, Cormac, Jordan etc did when they came onto the scene, time will tell how the newest group pan out but it doesn't happen over night.
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You have a few ages wrong there. The team is even younger than that
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 16, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
I really wish they were playing this one away from home. We dont need these britboys running around Kerry singing about their damn Queen.
They say that ignorance is bliss. If that's the case you're a very lucky man.
If Mike has nothing constructive or worth while to say he is best ignored. It is obvious he is filling the togs at the possibility of ANOTHER defeat to Tyrone and this time in his own back yard.
It'll be interesting to see how the Kingdom line out. Killian Young at CB isn't working for them. He's not that type of specialist and if they persist with that I'd leave Penrose on him and burn him up. Tomas O'Se - one of the greatest - is showing signs of slowing up. In both All-Ireland finals against them he tortured us with those searing runs half the length of the field. Now, he struggles to beat the tackle and when he does he's knackered. Reminded me of a couple of the Tyrone lads v Dublin last year. Not sure about the lad Maguire either.
Two players I'm worried about is Sheehan and Star. Apart from lording it in midfield - Kerry will be well aware of Tyrone's short kick-out tactic and force McConnell to hit it long - he could kill us if Coldrick decides to blow for everything. It'll be up to Colm to compete with him. Star is more of a whim with me - he hasn't been sparkling yet but I think he's due a big one. Will Cooper act as play maker?
I'd love to see O'Sullivan v Harte, with Peter reverting back to CHB.
Im almost certain that Dermy and Joe's age are wrong. They both were in my year at school and unless their birthdays fell in the last fortnight then they are still 28.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2012, 09:45:26 AM
Im almost certain that Dermy and Joe's age are wrong. They both were in my year at school and unless their birthdays fell in the last fortnight then they are still 28.
Joe McMahon DOB 3rd August 1983
Is this game on the tele??
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2012, 09:38:18 AM
It'll be interesting to see how the Kingdom line out. Killian Young at CB isn't working for them. He's not that type of specialist and if they persist with that I'd leave Penrose on him and burn him up. Tomas O'Se - one of the greatest - is showing signs of slowing up. In both All-Ireland finals against them he tortured us with those searing runs half the length of the field. Now, he struggles to beat the tackle and when he does he's knackered. Reminded me of a couple of the Tyrone lads v Dublin last year. Not sure about the lad Maguire either.
Two players I'm worried about is Sheehan and Star. Apart from lording it in midfield - Kerry will be well aware of Tyrone's short kick-out tactic and force McConnell to hit it long - he could kill us if Coldrick decides to blow for everything. It'll be up to Colm to compete with him. Star is more of a whim with me - he hasn't been sparkling yet but I think he's due a big one. Will Cooper act as play maker?
I'd love to see O'Sullivan v Harte, with Peter reverting back to CHB.
I'd like to see O'Sullivan v Cathal O'Neill. ;) :D
Quote from: everymanaman on July 17, 2012, 11:01:01 AM
TV3 apparently
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You'd have to feel sorry for poor Jacko being left to pick up the pieces.
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I wonder will Galvin be sad to see his aul boyfriend has hung up the boots/stilettos?
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Just a bit of fun lads. Don't take it too seriously.
In all honesty looking back at Kerry last year they did well to get to the final and should have won it.
How many of that team have retired now?
I'm not convinced Tyrone will lose the MF battle but I agree they need to be very careful not to give away many scoreable frees.
I'm glad its on TV3 and not RTE as Spillane constant chat of Tyrone's too old and Mickey should have had a clear out 3 years ago.
Has TV3 any Ulster pundits? Oisin? Canavan?
Does anyone know if you can get TV3 via Sky in the North?
Anyone have an idea of first 15? I think we'll see the same 15 that was named for the Ross game, with SON starting. On the radio last week it said he took part in full warm up so it must have only been a minor knock. The only change I could foresee would be McNabb in for Mattie D.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2012, 01:19:28 PM
Does anyone know if you can get TV3 via Sky in the North?
Not possible as far as I know.
Quote from: drici on July 16, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
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Marco's Kitchen Burnout is on at 5-30pm on TV3 after the soap opera omnibus.
Still no word on the match.
Marco's kitchen is going to have to take a back seat this week.
Axccording to Irish Star, TV3 had the rights to pick the top qualifier game of this weekend, so obiviously they picked this one.
Tyrone County Board wanted a 3 pm TI for their supporters but TV3 wanted 7pm for the greater tv audience.
So GAA compromised thats why a 5pm throw in.
Any other game being televised??????
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
Anyone have an idea of first 15? I think we'll see the same 15 that was named for the Ross game, with SON starting. On the radio last week it said he took part in full warm up so it must have only been a minor knock. The only change I could foresee would be McNabb in for Mattie D.
Colm Cavanagh played poorly last two matches. Taken off in both as never really affected the game. Can see Cassidy starting this one.
Quote from: theticklemister on July 17, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
According to Irish Star
Well that's that then.
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No deal done yet - hopefully there will be.
Expecting a full zoo :P ;)
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ah ffs, no TV?!
Pure disgrace, long live Marco...
Premier Sports have let me down badly >:(
No live match, full deferred coverage from 8.30 of a SFC Qualifier (TBC) - due to a poxy Celtic preseason friendly
http://www.premiersports.tv/
Disgusted, thinking of cancelling subscription
Quote from: God14 on July 17, 2012, 03:09:15 PM
Premier Sports have let me down badly >:(
No live match, full deferred coverage from 8.30 of a SFC Qualifier (TBC) - due to a poxy Celtic preseason friendly
http://www.premiersports.tv/
Disgusted, thinking of cancelling subscription
Aw no way!! That channel is pure shite! Why do they even bother having a Premier Sports Extra Channel?
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2012, 02:12:58 PM
This is the game of the year to date and it should be all positive. Can I just express a hope that if Tyrone and it is a huge if, manage to bate Kerry can we avoid the histrionics, the name calling, the changing of the rules campaigns, the slandering and the media campaign afterwards. In otherwords can Kerry take their beating for the good of the game, please...
What he said!
hold the press, it's on TV3! Marco can go play with himself...
Quote from: sheamy on July 17, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
hold the press, it's on TV3! Marco can go play with himself...
class, hope tyrone go man for man
tyrone by 4
Just got the tickets, all I need now is a handbag and a drippin wet sod dipped in cowdung...
How much are the tickets?
20 on tickets.ie for stand- not great seats-right in the corner but sure they'll do rightly.
Are Derrytresk wans allowed to go to the game? will they be stopped and asked for club ID?
The odd one might still have their old Naomh Padraig membership. Thank God for Brocagh!
IMO, TV3 should not have the rights to broadcast games involving teams in parts of the country where they don't even broadcast.
I live in Derry City and have the ordinary basic 9 Channels. My TV3 reception is excellent; in fact it is the best picture we have
Say what you like about Throne but the internet brigade are well able to pad out a thread.
Quote from: theticklemister on July 17, 2012, 07:54:44 PM
I live in Derry City and have the ordinary basic 9 Channels. My TV3 reception is excellent; in fact it is the best picture we have
Yes, but Derry city is on the border - you get the channel because they broadcast to Donegal.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
IMO, TV3 should not have the rights to broadcast games involving teams in parts of the country where they don't even broadcast.
Do they not broadcast in Kerry?
I get a great TV3 signal in Pomeroy so happy days :)
cant get fecking tv3. raging.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on July 17, 2012, 07:54:44 PM
I live in Derry City and have the ordinary basic 9 Channels. My TV3 reception is excellent; in fact it is the best picture we have
Yes, but Derry city is on the border - you get the channel because they broadcast to Donegal.
I get it in South Derry also, not that theres much on it.
We have too many natural footballers to lose to this limited bunch. Jack should just tell the lads to go out and cut loose. If he does we will win in a canter.
Looks like its going to be a nice day. It will be such a treat for the Tyrone folk to witness the majesty that is killarney on a summers day. They probably won't appreciate it though. We all know what philistines they are when it comes to the finer things in life.Such a pity.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 17, 2012, 08:46:37 PM
We have too many natural footballers to lose to this limited bunch. Jack should just tell the lads to go out and cut loose. If he does we will win in a canter.
Looks like its going to be a nice day. It will be such a treat for the Tyrone folk to witness the majesty that is killarney on a summers day. They probably won't appreciate it though. We all know what philistines they are when it comes to the finer things in life.Such a pity.
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Don't matter if its Killarney of Croke Park, Tyrone are not the team they were 4 yrs ago but neither are Kerry. Tyrone to win again. And by the way if yous took the Northern Ireland tourists out of the R O I you could 'shut up shop'. We have money and we know how to spend it and I would put a bet on that there will be a hell of a lot more Tyrone supporters down in Killarney than Kerry ones that would visit Tyrone if Kerry had to travel !!!!!
Livid at missing Marco. TV3 should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
Anyone have an idea of first 15? I think we'll see the same 15 that was named for the Ross game, with SON starting. On the radio last week it said he took part in full warm up so it must have only been a minor knock. The only change I could foresee would be McNabb in for Mattie D.
Hard to see any changes. What'll be interesting is the team O'Connor names as regards Young, O'Sullivan and Donaghy. When do Kerry normally name their side?
If Young is corner back again I'd be a lot more confident.
Cannot wait for this match!! Huge game for both teams. Kerry at home have played at a higher level for the last few years so have to be favourites. However they must have niggling doubts about it being Tyrone. They'll tell themselves there team is currently better than Tyrone so recent history means nothing but then they know they said the same thing before the previous 3 meetings. I'd like to see the following team if everyone fit:
McConnell
McRory
Clarke
Carlin
Justy
Gormley
O'Neill
Cassidy
Joe McMahon
Colm Cavanagh (to add a bit of physical presence in the half forward line)
Harte
McNabb
Penrose
O'Neill
Mulligan
With Donnelly, McGuigan and McCurry coming on in the second half. Does anyone have any injury news? Would be great to have PJ, Justy, McNabb and O'Neill fit. Harte is a big man for a gamble so who would rule out McCurry starting if O'Neill was ruled out from the start!?
There are those who say that this Kerry team is over the hill and others that say this experimental Tyrone outfit don't have the experience or the skill. Saturday should provide all of the answers needed!
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 17, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Cannot wait for this match!! Huge game for both teams. Kerry at home have played at a higher level for the last few years so have to be favourites. However they must have niggling doubts about it being Tyrone. They'll tell themselves there team is currently better than Tyrone so recent history means nothing but then they know they said the same thing before the previous 3 meetings. I'd like to see the following team if everyone fit:
McConnell
McRory
Clarke
Carlin
Justy
Gormley
O'Neill
Cassidy
Joe McMahon
Colm Cavanagh (to add a bit of physical presence in the half forward line)
Harte
McNabb
Penrose
O'Neill
Mulligan
With Donnelly, McGuigan and McCurry coming on in the second half. Does anyone have any injury news? Would be great to have PJ, Justy, McNabb and O'Neill fit. Harte is a big man for a gamble so who would rule out McCurry starting if O'Neill was ruled out from the start!?
No offence but that's not the right team. Negating our running game by naming 3 MF's and lessening our attacking ability (big scores Armagh and Ros) at the same time. Justy is a shadow of his former self, all those hopes we had after '08 of him moving further and further out the pitch to lord it in the middle are vanished like a fart in the wind. Also I don't rate Cassidy, another lad who hasn't lived up to the hype yet, is Murphy not a better option? The key is to get as many running footballers on the pitch as we can and tear the legs off the Kerrymen.
So Penfold, Red Sean, McCarron (I know), Peter Harte, the two M Donnelly's (especially Sparky), Carlin and later in the match McGuigan and McKenna are the key players in my eyes. We are about to send Aidian McCrory and Conor Clarke out to mark Gooch Cooper and Star Donaghy!! Jesus wept!!
if we take kerry it will be a last 20 minute win, and to do with fitness and pace that we can bring on.
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
if we take kerry it will be a last 20 minute win, and to do with fitness and pace that we can bring on.
Fitness and pace ? I heard you were going to park the bus in front of the goal but decided to use Mugsy instead.
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It'll be hot so watch out for pies being thrown along with the water bottles ;D
The long watched day
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 18, 2012, 07:07:35 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
if we take kerry it will be a last 20 minute win, and to do with fitness and pace that we can bring on.
Fitness and pace ? I heard you were going to park the bus in front of the goal but decided to use Mugsy instead.
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It'll be hot so watch out for pies being thrown along with the water bottles ;D
I'd say ye got some thrill looking for that photo.
right, accomodation booked, gonna m,ake a weekend of it.really looking forward to this game now. great buzz about it already.
i think there could be a surprise or two in the tyrone team. not sure what, but i think theye may be a few changes from the alst day out.
i think gormley will mark gooch & clarke on donaghy
TV3 is only available on the sky Ireland subscription so not on the one up North
Its on the new Saorview if you can get that but don't think that's turned on yet for up North
I checked the TV3 website and looks like it will be on live on their 3 player so that could be an option for ye lads who can't get it on TV. Presume TV3.ie isn't blocked in the North is it?
Championship Live: Kerry v Tyrone (Saturday 4.30 pm on TV3 & 3Player)
Join Matt Cooper and guests Peter Canavan and Darragh Ó Sé for exclusive live coverage of the eagerly anticipated Round 3 Football Qualifier as Kerry face Tyrone in Killarney.
From what I've been told from my club Stevie had a calf strain but don't think its too serious so I'll say he'll play some part on Saturday. On the radio last Sat they said he was getting loads of instructions from Mickey and looked like he was about to be introduced but then we got the goal and he must have been allowed to rest.
It's certainly nice to have a few decent forwards with pace and craft to come on like McCurry and Snout.
I thought for once I'd try to see things from the dark side so a good place to start was to look at Kerry's matches last year.
When you look at the huge scores they put up last year you can't help but be impressed.
Even against a very mean well organised Dublin in the final they scored 1.11 & should have won as they took their foot of the gas in the last 10 mins.
2011 Munster Championship
Kerry 2-16 - 0-11 Tipperary
Kerry 1-26 - 3-9 Limerick
Kerry 1-15 - 1-12 Cork
1/4 Final
Kerry 1-20 - 0-10 Limerick
Semi Final
Mayo 1-11 - 1-20 Kerry
Final
Kerry 1-11 - 1-12 Dublin
This year
Tipperary 0-10 Kerry 0-16
Cork 0-17 Kerry 0-12
Westmeath 1-12 Kerry 2-10
From last year who has retired for them?
Looks to me like they're still putting up big scores but also conceding quite a few.
Are they likely to play a spare man in defence or not?
If I was a Kerry man (and I'm definitely NOT) I would be thinking
We've got Gooch, Star, Galvin, Darren & Declan O'Sullivan. Possibly 5 of the best forwards in the country. How many of them are past players of the year?
The Gooch and Star have to finally come good v ye durty norn brits if ye leave their eyes alone.
Sheahan is playing well now at MF and will punish any of yer durty nordie tactics from within 50 yards.
We still have Marco & Tommo Sé playing well and Pierce Brosnan is back to his best scoring for fun from deep
::) ::)
Remember now folks I'm wearing these
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On a packed Fitzgerald stadium on a bright sunny Sat evening in July the red handbags army will be sent up the road packing with a lesson on how to play football the correct and pure way, which they abandoned back in 2003 to some form of bastardised Armagh style of rugby league.
Ciarrai by 7 points with Tyrone having 3 men CORRECTLY sent off. One of them being this wee Canadian import.
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Ignore this link, especially the 1st paragraph
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kerrys-chance-to-bury-demons-1478302.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kerrys-chance-to-bury-demons-1478302.html)
Will it be the Nolan show you'll be calling on Monday morning and NOT Joe Duffy?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
TV3 is only available on the sky Ireland subscription so not on the one up North
Its on the new Saorview if you can get that but don't think that's turned on yet for up North
I checked the TV3 website and looks like it will be on live on their 3 player so that could be an option for ye lads who can't get it on TV. Presume TV3.ie isn't blocked in the North is it?
Championship Live: Kerry v Tyrone (Saturday 4.30 pm on TV3 & 3Player)
Join Matt Cooper and guests Peter Canavan and Darragh Ó Sé for exclusive live coverage of the eagerly anticipated Round 3 Football Qualifier as Kerry face Tyrone in Killarney.
Haven't checked this year in fairness but last year was blocked out. Used to have an RTE aerial that picked up TV3 but was away and some eejit unplugged it, no idea how to get it back on so have been forced to go to the pub for TV3 games
I can get TV3 on digital TV? Its a perfect picture.
If its blocked you could always use an Irish proxy server
Have a read at this
http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/28819-RTE-TG4-TV3-streams-using-a-proxy-server (http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/28819-RTE-TG4-TV3-streams-using-a-proxy-server)
Where are you based Sizzler? Is that on the UK freeview or on Irish Saorview?
Quote from: sizzler on July 18, 2012, 10:36:59 AM
I can get TV3 on digital TV? Its a perfect picture.
yeah so can i .on uk freeview, but have a freeview HD tv so it picks up the rte freeview stations also
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2012, 10:55:41 AM
If its blocked you could always use an Irish proxy server
Have a read at this
http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/28819-RTE-TG4-TV3-streams-using-a-proxy-server (http://www.munsterfans.com/threads/28819-RTE-TG4-TV3-streams-using-a-proxy-server)
Where are you based Sizzler? Is that on the UK freeview or on Irish Saorview?
East Tyrone ;)
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0718/1224320305440.html?fb_ref=.UAadv06y9VA.like&fb_source=home_multiline
Great insight.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2012, 02:11:44 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0718/1224320305440.html?fb_ref=.UAadv06y9VA.like&fb_source=home_multiline
Excellent article ONeill.
A really good read, very interesting to hear about our tactical breakdown from someone who has faced it on the big occasions. Makes it all the more interesting to see what Mickey comes up with on Saturday. Would love to be a fly on the wall at training this week!
Just one more thing to admire about the man, probably the best , scratch that he is the best midfielder of his generation and now an extremley readable/likeable pundit.
Makes me want Kerry to win on Sat.
Well OK, maybe not.
I just don't know if even the greatest will in the world will lift this Kerry team. If it goes pear-shaped desperation will set in and that's something Kerry are not accustomed to in any sense.
I read that article earlier today. I look out for his column every Wednesday now as it offers a great insight into the real nitty gritty, but on top of that its isn't the usual, short 3 paragraph job that most columnists fire out these days.
Up The Middle, anytime I am near a post of your it takes me a minute or two to get the will to move to navigate to a new page due to that wee GIF of yours. Can someone out there figure out where or what film/TV show it is from?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
I read that article earlier today. I look out for his column every Wednesday now as it offers a great insight into the real nitty gritty, but on top of that its isn't the usual, short 3 paragraph job that most columnists fire out these days.
Up The Middle, anytime I am near a post of your it takes me a minute or two to get the will to move to navigate to a new page due to that wee GIF of yours. Can someone out there figure out where or what film/TV show it is from?
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ha was wondering about that too
Thanks lads. Bit exhausted. Away to lie down.
I think Tyrone are a fine team definitely top 6 in Ireland and they are evolving nicely, but they could be beat by Donegal, Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, and a few of the rest that are left. Similarly if we played as well on the day as we can we could pip most of them teams. The key is our own performance and how we start the game. I fancy Kerry to go gung ho from the start so we need to be up for that. I could see a few early softeners in the game to test the younger Tyrone lads, I could see them working on Colm Cavanagh, Petie and Penrose to test their mettle and also discipline. Most of the big hitters are away from these teams so you could see fully committed wee men throwing it around which is more obvious and brings more yellows. I think they will start off with Big Donaghy full forward and test Clarkes strengths from early on. I feel we need another massive game from Gormley - in fairness this year he has been an exceptional leader. It is reported by many that Tyrone at this stage are fitter, so perhaps the only way for Kerry is blitzkreig early on. If Darren O Sullivan is fit at all I expect him to start. Galvin will have a key role throughout the field and his aggression and movement will dictate the pace of the Kerry game - his hit rate will be high. I dont doubt Tyrone at all but I expect that Kerry will vastly improve their effort this weekend and could produce the performance of their season. In 2009 they were beat by Cork in Munster, were lucky against Sligo, Longford and Antrim before beating a Dublin team by 20 points who had beat Wexford by 20 in the Leinster final, before they savaged Cork in every way in the final. Gooch as captain will be hard to control but control him we must, and all the time our conceded free count is crucial. It will be interesting to watch the referrees performance and where the frees are awarded for both teams. Whatever happens its a great day in the sun - hard earned on the back of a tough season for Tyrone. I feel they have boxed a little above their weight coming so close to Donegal and beating Armagh so well, but the heart and character they have put in is so evident. We can be proud of all their efforts to this point and hope they have enough to take a win in Killarney. How about extra time anyone?
Quote from: Whishtup on July 18, 2012, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 18, 2012, 07:07:35 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
if we take kerry it will be a last 20 minute win, and to do with fitness and pace that we can bring on.
Fitness and pace ? I heard you were going to park the bus in front of the goal but decided to use Mugsy instead.
(http://hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/inpho_00571837.jpg)
It'll be hot so watch out for pies being thrown along with the water bottles ;D
I'd say ye got some thrill looking for that photo.
Twasn't hard really. I think I just googled "fat Tyrone git" or something along those lines.
btw, is it true he moved to Cookstown because he thought it was a centre of culinary excellence ?
Quote from: rrhf on July 18, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
I think Tyrone are a fine team definitely top 6 in Ireland and they are evolving nicely, but they could be beat by Donegal, Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, and a few of the rest that are left. Similarly if we played as well on the day as we can we could pip most of them teams. The key is our own performance and how we start the game. I fancy Kerry to go gung ho from the start so we need to be up for that. I could see a few early softeners in the game to test the younger Tyrone lads, I could see them working on Colm Cavanagh, Petie and Penrose to test their mettle and also discipline. Most of the big hitters are away from these teams so you could see fully committed wee men throwing it around which is more obvious and brings more yellows. I think they will start off with Big Donaghy full forward and test Clarkes strengths from early on. I feel we need another massive game from Gormley - in fairness this year he has been an exceptional leader. It is reported by many that Tyrone at this stage are fitter, so perhaps the only way for Kerry is blitzkreig early on. If Darren O Sullivan is fit at all I expect him to start. Galvin will have a key role throughout the field and his aggression and movement will dictate the pace of the Kerry game - his hit rate will be high. I dont doubt Tyrone at all but I expect that Kerry will vastly improve their effort this weekend and could produce the performance of their season. In 2009 they were beat by Cork in Munster, were lucky against Sligo, Longford and Antrim before beating a Dublin team by 20 points who had beat Wexford by 20 in the Leinster final, before they savaged Cork in every way in the final. Gooch as captain will be hard to control but control him we must, and all the time our conceded free count is crucial. It will be interesting to watch the referrees performance and where the frees are awarded for both teams. Whatever happens its a great day in the sun - hard earned on the back of a tough season for Tyrone. I feel they have boxed a little above their weight coming so close to Donegal and beating Armagh so well, but the heart and character they have put in is so evident. We can be proud of all their efforts to this point and hope they have enough to take a win in Killarney. How about extra time anyone?
Agree with most of this. When was the last time Tyrone beat a possible All-Irelander? Some might say Down 2010 but it's a niggling doubt that we've not shown since '08 that Tyrone can beat a heavyweight.
Time for the new lads to take a major scalp. For me, that's a leap of faith I cannot back. I'm trying to think the last time we met a genuine contender outside of an All-Ireland final and won. Armagh 2005?
Hard to know what to make of either team TBH.
Tyrone hammered us after poor showing the 1st half but we threw the towel in once the penalty was scored they only beat average Armagh by one score and managed only 0-10 v Donegal. As for Kerry they didn't look great v Tipp were well beaten by Cork while the win over Westmeath reminded me of their 2009 wins over Longford,Sligo,Antrim then from nowhere they produced a big performance v Dublin.
A real 50/50 game.
Quote from: eddie d on July 18, 2012, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
I read that article earlier today. I look out for his column every Wednesday now as it offers a great insight into the real nitty gritty, but on top of that its isn't the usual, short 3 paragraph job that most columnists fire out these days.
Up The Middle, anytime I am near a post of your it takes me a minute or two to get the will to move to navigate to a new page due to that wee GIF of yours. Can someone out there figure out where or what film/TV show it is from?
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ha was wondering about that too
Anchorman.
Great article by O'Se. Agree that he's the best, most insightful gaa writer at the minute.
Kerry team to be named, as usual, at 9.00pm tomorrow night.
There may be a surprise or two.... ;)
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 18, 2012, 06:54:39 PM
Kerry team to be named, as usual, at 9.00pm tomorrow night.
There may be a surprise or two.... ;)
Gooch wearing an eye-patch?
I think you got wrong end of the stick Shane. He got anew Ipad
I cant get TV3, can you watch it live on TV3 player in the north
Quote from: Frank Casey on July 18, 2012, 06:54:39 PM
Kerry team to be named, as usual, at 9.00pm tomorrow night.
There may be a surprise or two.... ;)
Famous headline:
FA Cup Fourth Round Today - Shocks Expected.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Agree with most of this. When was the last time Tyrone beat a possible All-Irelander? Some might say Down 2010 but it's a niggling doubt that we've not shown since '08 that Tyrone can beat a heavyweight.
Time for the new lads to take a major scalp. For me, that's a leap of faith I cannot back. I'm trying to think the last time we met a genuine contender outside of an All-Ireland final and won. Armagh 2005?
The Dubs in 2008 were certainly considered as genuine contenders before the match against Tyrone. Very few people tipped Tyrone to win that one. I wasn't amongst them and worried that Tyrone might get a bit of a hammering, a fear I now have regarding Saturday. Would be more than happy to be proved wrong once again.
If Tyrone fans are in their car in Killarney after 7pm, then they should be back home by 1am.
The minor match at Clones is at midday, so I hold a glass up now to those who will make it to both.
It'll hopefully be the 7th minor provincial since 2000 (go back to 1945 for a Monaghan win).
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 18, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
Re: TV3 - if you're are in Tyrone and you can get TG4 terrestrially (not via Sky/satellite) then you should be able to get TV3 as well either on analogue or Saorview.
cant get TG4 terrestrially either,only through sky
In 2005 and 2008, I knew Tyrone wouldn't be beaten. This time, it's Kerry I can't see being beaten.
SON fit. Justy not.
You're probably right Benny but if you gave us a few reasons or opinions it might back up your theory. Or do you always get these feelings right? Great article from Darragh. Gosh his name comes up as Armagh on predictive text. Ha. He praises us to the hilt though as he knows we'll love to read such respect from a Kingdom man.
I know there has been some talk that Kerry won't get beat cause of the hunger they will have to get one over Tyrone. But surely Tyrone have every bit as much motivation? We haven't won an All Ireland since 2008. Kerry in the mean time have won an another All Ireland and played in another final. We have won 3 All Irelands and they have something like 35 or 36 (couldn't care at this stage!). Not too mention the off field stuff from some of the Kerry media over the years and the desire to do it for Mickey and its hard not to see a fully fired up Tyrone team throwing everything at Kerry. Lets hope its enough!
Any word on McNabb or PJ? These players and Justy seem to be very injury prone. Seem to have missed as many games as they've played through injury over the last few years.
If Kerry and Tyrone are 2 bad teams as some posters are describing them, then God help the rest.
They must be really bad.
Was in mullingar on Sunday last and what I saw was terrible. One pt from play in the first half and that was in the 31st minute . We could get a wild hammering on sat if there's not a massive improvement. Would love to see a win - even if we do it's hard to see an AI in this team from the way they're playing at present. Too many poor performances in a row since the final last yr
Quote from: comethekingdom on July 18, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
Was in mullingar on Sunday last and what I saw was terrible. One pt from play in the first half and that was in the 31st minute . We could get a wild hammering on sat if there's not a massive improvement. Would love to see a win - even if we do it's hard to see an AI in this team from the way they're playing at present. Too many poor performances in a row since the final last yr
Kerry haven't recovered from last years All Ireland final defeat. Saturday could be the end of kerry's championship season.
Something about Kerry this year just doesn't add up.
Their first league match against Dublin was incredible.
They got tore into Dublin from the start and played some deadly ball that night.
Maybe Dublin weren't too interested that night and made Kerry look good ?
Hard to know.
No disrespect to Westemath but I thought Kerry would have won with a bit to spare.
Quote from: comethekingdom on July 18, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
Was in mullingar on Sunday last and what I saw was terrible. One pt from play in the first half and that was in the 31st minute .
Don't see that happening on Saturday, though the big question is just what do Kerry have in the tank this year.
Quote from: orangeman on July 18, 2012, 11:31:35 PM
Something about Kerry this year just doesn't add up.
They were great in the first half against Cork in the league as well. Good long diagonal balls into the corners, lots of pace and movement. But then in the Championship, for whatever reason they were holding on possession more around the middle of the field and their build-up play was a lot slower and laboured-looking as a result.
Not sure why they would go with that approach. If they had gone more direct in the last 10 minutes of last year's Final they would have won because Donaghy and Cooper had the beating of their men but were starved of possession late on as Kerry preferred to try and hold on to what they had.
Maybe O'Connor doesn't trust his back-line enough to play an open, expansive game anymore and wants to retain and dominate possession as much as possible? Maybe he thinks the direct game is doomed to flounder against the modern blanket defensive approach and it is more practical to retain possession to entice the opposition out?
The paranoid side of me thinks that this is all part of an elaborate 'Long Con' where Kerry have been holding back their A game until they really needed it. But instead of an All Ireland Semi-final or Final they will now have to reveal it much sooner than expected?
Many of Kerry's comebacks and performances of the last few years have been sparked by Darren O Sullivan/Sheehan/Galvin/Gooch being good on different days. If 2 of these play badly & one more is outplayed, then they could be in a bit of bother.
But then again they have so many natural footballers that on any given day they might just do an 04 :'( , an 06 :'( or an 09 :D
But as a neutral I just cant wait for this match.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2012, 10:45:11 PM
You're probably right Benny but if you gave us a few reasons or opinions it might back up your theory. Or do you always get these feelings right? Great article from Darragh. Gosh his name comes up as Armagh on predictive text. Ha. He praises us to the hilt though as he knows we'll love to read such respect from a Kingdom man.
Home venue is massive. Kerry have struggled but I feel there's a big game in them (like v Dublin 09). The crowd will be behind them, and that will drive them on. I don't think Tyrone have enough firepower. Cavanagh is a big miss, as is Coney.
QuoteThe crowd will be behind them
Not if they are losing and losing badly, say, at half time!
I believe Jack O'Connor got dog's abuse from the Kerry 'supporters' at half time walking off the pitch in Mullingar last Sunday. I remember Kerry v Longford in Killarney in 2006 and Kerry were a fair bit ahead in early 2nd half. They were home and hosed - yet if a Kerry lad got dispossed or gave away the ball for the remainder of the game the level of abuse from some of the Kerry lads around me to said player(s) astonished me.
Paidi was right ya know!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 19, 2012, 12:32:20 AM
QuoteThe crowd will be behind them
Not if they are losing and losing badly, say, at half time!
I believe Jack O'Connor got dog's abuse from the Kerry 'supporters' at half time walking off the pitch in Mullingar last Sunday. I remember Kerry v Longford in Killarney in 2006 and Kerry were a fair bit ahead in early 2nd half. They were home and hosed - yet if a Kerry lad got dispossed or gave away the ball for the remainder of the game the level of abuse from some of the Kerry lads around me to said player(s) astonished me.
Paidi was right ya know!
That's just the very small minority, every county has them. No matter which way the game will go on Saturday 95% will be fully behind them and those 95% will also show respect to Tyrone.
Quote from: Seamus on July 19, 2012, 06:27:18 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 19, 2012, 12:32:20 AM
QuoteThe crowd will be behind them
Not if they are losing and losing badly, say, at half time!
I believe Jack O'Connor got dog's abuse from the Kerry 'supporters' at half time walking off the pitch in Mullingar last Sunday. I remember Kerry v Longford in Killarney in 2006 and Kerry were a fair bit ahead in early 2nd half. They were home and hosed - yet if a Kerry lad got dispossed or gave away the ball for the remainder of the game the level of abuse from some of the Kerry lads around me to said player(s) astonished me.
Paidi was right ya know!
That's just the very small minority, every county has them. No matter which way the game will go on Saturday 95% will be fully behind them and those 95% will also show respect to Tyrone.
you have to earn respect. I am not sure Tyrone have done that. Keep in mind this is a game in Fitzgerald stadium that you are talking about.
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you have to earn respect. I am not sure Tyrone have done that. Keep in mind this is a game in Fitzgerald stadium that you are talking about.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on July 19, 2012, 07:32:25 AM
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you have to earn respect. I am not sure Tyrone have done that. Keep in mind this is a game in Fitzgerald stadium that you are talking about.
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just an honest opinion. I dont think Tyrone have players that can do justice to this venue or this occasion. Its one thing "doing a job" (as certian managers seem to glorify) and actually doing yourself and your county proud in such a rarefied atmosphere. Its a question of aesthetics really.
QuoteI dont think Tyrone have players that can do justice to this venue or this occasion. Its one thing "doing a job" (as certian managers seem to glorify) and actually doing yourself and your county proud in such a rarefied atmosphere. Its a question of aesthetics really.
Once again...
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unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 19, 2012, 07:51:24 AM
QuoteI dont think Tyrone have players that can do justice to this venue or this occasion. Its one thing "doing a job" (as certian managers seem to glorify) and actually doing yourself and your county proud in such a rarefied atmosphere. Its a question of aesthetics really.
Once again...
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are you afraid to debate the point ? much like your cowardly countymen. I've never seen a county so quiet before games yet so mouthy when they win. Why is that I wonder ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 19, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
yes, that's right. now please continue enlightening us all oh clever one.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 19, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
I think Tyrone will win by 2-4 points in a tight enough game. What do you think will happen Mike?
Anyone know the best/quickest road to kilarney from omagh?
down through the midlands or via dublin on the motorways?
This is the game of the round and the winners will probably go on to the quarters, no offence to Clare. But when they get there the big guns are waiting and while Tyrone came closer to beating AI contenders (Donegal) than Kerry did (Cork) will any of these teams be a real contenders ?
Tyrone have won AIs through the back door as Kerry have, but this year I would be surprised if any of these teams are in the final. Tyrone fans can claim loss of players through injury as can Kerry and each set of fans can claim to have the best team, style of play etc etc.
Darragh O Se talked in his article about his realisation of how other counties seen Kerry, the last 10 yrs has shown Kerry people in a different light. Mike Sheehy talked about respect that Tyrone have not earned he would need to wake up. It is a great sign of respect to Tyrone that Kerry take it personal and feel that this is unfinished business, that they need a Tyrone scalp. Well THIS IS their best opportunity. If it comes down to Mickey Harte vs Jack (I have to beat Tyrone before I retire) O Connor where would you put your money?
I was in Killarney a few years ago enjoying the Kingdom when Tyrone v Cork AI semi was on, and was amazed at the number of Cork fans in Kerry jerseys. A few of these fans came up to us to admit that they would prefer not to meet Tyrone as they feared us more than Cork. So Mike Sheehy don't be afraid and don't go getting personal or there are a few weminn with handbags coming your way.
I'd be more than happy to debate football with you Mike but not the wumming crap you continually spout. It would be refreshing to hear your views on the game, considering you're such a patriotic Kerry man.
I've a season ticket and have been allocated tickets in O'Sullivan Stand. I assume this is the main seated stand? It says section D and row 1. Would I be right in guessing this is the front row? If so how bad are the front row seats in the stand? Like will I be looking through a fence and trying to see through people on the sideline?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 19, 2012, 11:34:46 AM
I've a season ticket and have been allocated tickets in O'Sullivan Stand. I assume this is the main seated stand? It says section D and row 1...
I'd say that that's the human enclosure ;)
Interview with Mugsy here ahead of the game:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/owen-mulligan-talks-before-kerry-game/
Tyrone are great value at 2-1 to win.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 18, 2012, 06:17:02 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on July 18, 2012, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 18, 2012, 07:07:35 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
if we take kerry it will be a last 20 minute win, and to do with fitness and pace that we can bring on.
Fitness and pace ? I heard you were going to park the bus in front of the goal but decided to use Mugsy instead.
(http://hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/inpho_00571837.jpg)
It'll be hot so watch out for pies being thrown along with the water bottles ;D
I'd say ye got some thrill looking for that photo.
Twasn't hard really. I think I just googled "fat Tyrone git" or something along those lines.
btw, is it true he moved to Cookstown because he thought it was a centre of culinary excellence ?
I'll have you know that Cookstown sizzlers have been plugging the flow of self-righteous slurry from fat-mouthed Kerrymen for many's a year now. ;)
Really looking forward to this.
Head says Kerry by five but heart isn't writing off Tyrone and just feel they always raise their game against Kerry
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 19, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 19, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
Anyone know the best/quickest road to kilarney from omagh?
down through the midlands or via dublin on the motorways?
Dublin on the motorways
Disappointing how this thread has gone as to me its making history with the first meeting between these two big guns (OK OK 1 big gun Armagh & Kerry lads) in the holy grail of football. ::)
I agree with Omagh Gael.
KM, I thought you'd be be entertaining us a bit better this week with some descent analysis and reasons why Kerry are gonna win but so far you've reduced yourself to school yard tactics that would make Ricey and Galvin seem like angels. ::)
Can I ask you one question though? Do you disagree with Dara's analysis?
He seems quite confident though ye will do it this time.
Here's my honest take on the big game.
On a positive side for Tyrone.
We're much fitter than other years and we've a lot more pace around the team that Kerry have I think with the exception of Darren O'Sullivan.
We gave Donegal a real scare in how to play against them and had we taken half our scores we would have beaten them but alas too many wides and not all of them were forced errors either.
Tyrone too will really relish this game so players like Penrose and many others who missed out on game time in 2005 & 2008 will be VERY keen to prove their worth
Defensively Tyrone CAN play like Donegal or Dublin but in the past have sometimes chosen not to do so. eg v Armagh. I think if we defend like we did v Donegal in the first half, which was a bit like how we held Kerry to 4/5 points in the first half in 2003 then they will become nervous, panicky and the fans will indeed boo them off at half time or at least be giving out loads.
So I can see Mickey playing the William Wallace Braveheart hold hold hold scene
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If I am to be honest though Kerry do have to be favourites
1. In their home ground - Though Armagh won there recently
2. They should have won the AI last year and put up big scores all year - see page 14
3. The revenge factor or 4th time lucky syndrome
4. They've got awesome forwards if they get their finger out & stop whinging
5. Tyrone have no reliable free taker so foul as much as you like
6. Sheahan will punish any foul given away within a reasonable radius so we need to see early on
what is the ref letting go and is he blowing for surrounding a man.
At the end I just hope at the end there will be none of this mullarky
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Kerry should win this with a bit to spare.tyrone were shaping up nicely but injuries starting to take there toll
Quote1. In their home ground - Though Armagh won there recently
Armagh won in Tralee. Kerry weren't up to much that night anyway.
I see Brolly questioning this Kerry team's balls, especially Gooch's, in today's Gaelic Life. The kingdom are getting plenty of fodder.
Quote from: J OGorman on July 19, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 19, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
honestly. + there's no consideration whatsoever here for the post-modern perspective on the complexity of identity. which is a shame because 'tis handy to unpack and debunk stereotypes and all sorts of other nonsense.
Quote from: heffo on July 19, 2012, 04:15:46 PM
Really looking forward to this.
Head says Kerry by five but heart isn't writing off Tyrone and just feel they always raise their game against Kerry
Why does the head say that? Kerry were lucky to beat Westmeath who were missing a number of players.
The fact that Kerry had a right oul' battle to get past Westmeath on Sunday whereas Tyrone played on Saturday and emptied the bench with second-team players might just give Tyrone the physical and psychological edge. That was tough for Kerry and it would be some effort to defeat a better rested and mentally settled Tyrone outfit. If they do, fair play to them.
The blockbuster has arrived, hold on to those seats.
By DECLAN BOGUE
In the distant future, they will be embarrassed by what went on that day, but back then the rivalry was spilling into hatred territory. Actions occurred and words were said. In the heat of the moment, nobody was going to pull them up on it.
It was February 15, 2009 when Kerry were in Omagh for a repeat of the previous September's All-Ireland final. They were 2-8 to 0-3 up by half-time.
In the dressing room, the story goes that Mickey Harte instructed Tyrone's players to remove their jerseys and throw them in a skip. The previous 35 minutes had not been worthy of the colours, so they wore a new set for the second half.
Although new rules regarding third-man tackles, intentional fouls and verbal abuse were introduced that winter, they were ignored as Tyrone went about reeling in the lead.
On the final whistle, Marc ÓSé, Declan O'Sullivan and Ryan McMenamin all got involved in a flare-up, Kerry boss Jack O'Connor had to be held back as he sought confrontation, and we witnessed a Tyrone backroom member pumping his fist to an already over-stimulated crowd.
Later that season, Tyrone were on the attack in the All-Ireland semi against Cork when the referee blew for half-time. The resultant fuss led to a temporary rule for the next National League stating the ball had to go dead before a referee could end a half. In a twist of fate, it helped Tyrone beat Kerry in March 2010. With time over, Tyrone were seeking a late goal. Kerry mistakenly never hoofed into 'row z' and a dipping ball was met by Colm Cavanagh's fist and they took the points.
And that was the last time they met. Tyrone dropped a division, and that final blockbuster, winner-takes-all Championship match we yearned for to settle the 'Team of the Decade' argument never materialised. That's why, when they were paired off on Monday it relit a flame for old times.
While the relationship between the pair had grown toxic by 2009, there were earlier signs of what could unfold. In his season diary of 2003, after that infamous All-Ireland semi-final, Mickey Harte wrote: "People are going on as if it's the end of Gaelic football as we know it. I'm disappointed at the Kerry chairman Sean Walsh suggesting that we might have to introduce the mark and change the rules."
In his autobiography, Jack O'Connor slammed the success of Armagh and Tyrone: "They're flash and nouveau riche and full of it. Northern teams talk about how they did it, they go on about this theory and that practice, as if they'd just split the atom. They build up a mythology about themselves."
As for 'Team of the Decade'?
The case for Kerry is that they always presented themselves for battle. In the 2004 final, they massacred Mayo who had beaten Tyrone in the quarters. In 2006, they again lifted Sam as Tyrone lost to Laois. A year later they retained it as Meath shredded Tyrone in the quarters.
Jack left the post, citing he 'couldn't wait around for Tyrone to show up'. In a way he was right, but then Kerry's evolution was not as difficult as Tyrone's. The untimely death of Cormac McAnallen prevented a possible domination and it took a couple of years for Tyrone to re-calibrate their attack after the retirement of Peter Canavan.
But what Tyrone have is that incredible record. Three games and three wins over Kerry. They'll sell seats alright, but you'll only need the edge of them.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/the-blockbuster-has-arrived-hold-on-to-those-seats-16186514.html#ixzz215W8334p
Same 15 named for Tyrone.
So Stevie starts?
Named at 14.
kerry team named.
1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht)6. Eoin Brosnan (Dr Crokes)7. Killian Young (Renard)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St Mary's)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada) 12. Donnchadh Walsh
(Cromane)
13. James O'Donoghue (Legion) 14. Colm Cooper (Captain) (Dr Crokes)15. Kieran Donaghy
(Austin Stacks)
16. Brian Kelly
(Legion)
17. Brian Maguire
(Listowel Emmet's)
18. Peter Crowley
(Laune Rangers)
19. Darran O'Sullivan
(Glenbeigh/Glencar)
20. Kieran O'Leary
(Dr Crokes)
21. Johnny Buckley
(Dr Crokes)
22. Patrick Curtin
(Moyvane)
23. Jonathan Lyne
(Legion)
24. Seamus Scanlon
(Currow)
25. Barry John Keane
(Kerins O'Rahilly's)
26. Fionn Fitzgerald
(Dr Crokes)
27. Michael Geaney
(Daingean Uí Chuis)
Bainisteóir: Jack O'Connor (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Traenálaí: Alan O'Sullivan (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Roghnóirí: Ger O'Keeffe (Austin Stacks)
Diarmuid Ó Murchú (Daingean Uí Chúis) and Eamon Fitzmaurice (Finuge)
I'd say Mickey will target Brosnan as a weak link and I'd like to see Penrose stay in the FF line this time & maybe pull Mugsy out for more room?
Will Kerry play with extra defenders lads or is that not their style?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2012, 09:14:20 PM
I'd say Mickey will target Brosnan as a weak link and I'd like to see Penrose stay in the FF line this time & maybe pull Mugsy out for more room?
Will Kerry play with extra defenders lads or is that not their style?
Of course they will, they are nearly as conservative as Donegal
Brolly's piece today on colly cooper was a farce, basically saying he has no balls and bottles it on the big games all the time, especially against tyrone.
I 've said before i loved the kerry and tyrone games, 05 and 08 finals were best ever games i've seen, and i was happy to see tyrone win both as i usually back the ulster teams. Tyrone have a great 3-0 record against kerry the past 10 years, but i would be fairly certain if they had of met in 06 and 09 for example, then kerry could have beaten them, and beaten them well.
Brolly slags cooper for scoring an 'easy goal' against mayo in 04 final. I never liked the way kerry got dam all credit for winning sam in 04 and 06, is it their fault that mayo were shite?
Quote from: Orchardman on July 19, 2012, 09:38:48 PM
Brolly's piece today on colly cooper was a farce, basically saying he has no balls and bottles it on the big games all the time, especially against tyrone.
I 've said before i loved the kerry and tyrone games, 05 and 08 finals were best ever games i've seen, and i was happy to see tyrone win both as i usually back the ulster teams. Tyrone have a great 3-0 record against kerry the past 10 years, but i would be fairly certain if they had of met in 06 and 09 for example, then kerry could have beaten them, and beaten them well.
Brolly slags cooper for scoring an 'easy goal' against mayo in 04 final. I never liked the way kerry got dam all credit for winning sam in 04 and 06, is it their fault that mayo were shite?
Brolly is a bollix, how many times do I have to say this?? Brolly couldn't lace Cooper's boots.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
I see Brolly questioning this Kerry team's balls, especially Gooch's, in today's Gaelic Life. The kingdom are getting plenty of fodder.
Mc Guigan's is a great read.
Brolly's TV opinions and articles used have some substance.
Something has happened, especially these last few months. It's like he thinks he's some kind of guru with a dose of sensationalism thrown in. He has been rambling in all directions so far, from stamping on Tyrone's grave early on to lashing into individual players. Today's article was shambolic, like something you'd write if tanked up and then regret sending in the morning.
If he's not careful we'll be laughing at him, not with him.
Brolly just wants Tyrone beat and wants to write O Connors teamtalk...
I used to like Brolly, always winding Pat up, with a glint in the eye. He loves messing with spillanes head, but now he is just talking for talks sake. He is turning into Dunphy, always looking for a sound bite ...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
I see Brolly questioning this Kerry team's balls, especially Gooch's, in today's Gaelic Life. The kingdom are getting plenty of fodder.
Mc Guigan's is a great read.
The jury's out I think. I thought the need to go public in the week after the Donegal game about individual banter was a bit....liking using your new-found status to get someone back in public.
There's a refreshing honesty - today he stated we're not heavyweights any more. Also, he revealed what Mickey said in the changing room at HT on Sat. Refreshing or revealing too much?
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
I see Brolly questioning this Kerry team's balls, especially Gooch's, in today's Gaelic Life. The kingdom are getting plenty of fodder.
Mc Guigan's is a great read.
The jury's out I think. I thought the need to go public in the week after the Donegal game about individual banter was a bit....liking using your new-found status to get someone back in public.
There's a refreshing honesty - today he stated we're not heavyweights any more. Also, he revealed what Mickey said in the changing room at HT on Sat. Refreshing or revealing too much?
Link??
Killian Young moved back into the half back line. O'Connor learning. That's a tighter Kerry team.
Kerry (SF v Tyrone): B Kealy; M O Se, A O'Mahony, S Enright; T O Se, E Brosnan, K Young; A Maher, B Sheehan; P Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan, D Walsh; J O'Donoghue, C Cooper (captain), K Donaghy.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
I see Brolly questioning this Kerry team's balls, especially Gooch's, in today's Gaelic Life. The kingdom are getting plenty of fodder.
Mc Guigan's is a great read.
The jury's out I think. I thought the need to go public in the week after the Donegal game about individual banter was a bit....liking using your new-found status to get someone back in public.
There's a refreshing honesty - today he stated we're not heavyweights any more. Also, he revealed what Mickey said in the changing room at HT on Sat. Refreshing or revealing too much?
Yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but... See your point, posterity will tell us.
I also think Brolly is a bollix in recent times and I used to like him but now he just writes articles and makes statements to constantly stir it up and be controversial to feed the ever hungry Brolly ego. Compare that to Dara O'Shea and dare I say it Brian McGuigan in the Gaelic life, who seem to be a lot more upfront and honest in their opinions.
However, saying that I couldn't help but agree to some extent re Cooper
I know I'm just tempting fate now and loads of my colleagues will say STOP but he has struggled when he's been well marked and not left one on one. If you left a lot of forwards like say Paddy or Eoin Bradley one on one you'd get roasted.
To me Gooch is a good fielder, has great vision, is deadly accurate and unlike Canavan gets a lot of goals but in my biased eyes he does did tend to struggle (like a lot of players do) when he's doubled teamed or has a swarm defence around him.
He looked like he was gonna cos havoc at the start of 2008 but then it all went quiet, though in fairness to him the ball into him was often stopped.
As expected the Thur night excitement of teams named, has let us down again and we're still guessing who will ACTUALLY line out. Wonder how Marc O'Se would do against a 19 year old speed merchant?
Quote from: heffo on July 19, 2012, 10:14:09 PM
Link??
No link, but just for you ;)
Hello again, our dear friendsSo we're all off to Kerry for a wet weekend in Killarney, and the chance to catch up with a few old friends.
I've only ever played one league match down there, and that was way back in 2003. It was a really hot day, a perfect Sunday afternoon. Cormac McAnallen, God rest him, played a fantastic game, and we won by a point or two. We'd come off the back of a defeat to Roscommon in the first round, so it was a massive result for us, and I suppose was a small indica- tion of what was to follow later in the year. The game is getting plenty of at- tention because it's Tyrone v Kerry, but they're not the heavyweights they were four or five years ago.
Kerry are a dangerous animal when everyone is writing them off. Everyone is saying that it's a good draw for Tyrone, but it's a class draw for Kerry because they need a big team to get them going. Not only did they get the big game, but they got the bonus of the home tie as well, meaning it's all very much stacked against Tyrone.
The travelling makes it a difficult draw. You're talking the best part of six hours on a bus, plus traffic on a Friday evening. You couldn't possi- bly do it on the day of the game.
I'd say we'll go most of the way down on Friday night, then travel the last hour or so late on Saturday morning, because you don't want to be spending all day down there wait- ing for a match either. Going to the beach or driving the Ring of Kerry isn't exactly an option!
I've had quite a few clashes with Kerry since that one back in 2003, and the two Kerry players who would stand out are Tomas O Se and Aidan O'Mahoney. One of those two would have marked me any time we played.
They're two tough competitors,but they're tough and fair. There's no dirt with them, but they're always tight on your backside every time they mark you. But that's the sort of battles you want in the champi- onship, nothing less.
Kerry have to go into the match as favourites because of the forward line they have. We know heading down there that we have our work cut out for us.
It's the first occasion this year that one of the big guns is going to fall out of the championship race.
Kerry have had to live with the stick that they've taken for not being able to beat Tyrone in the championship, and they'll see this as the best chance they've ever had.
A lot of Tyrone's established play- ers are away, while Kerry still have theirs. But we can look at it the oth- er way, that our young players who have nothing to fear are fresh and might have the legs on the older Kerry players.
I'd love another run out on Satur- day, having been lucky to feature against both Donegal and Roscom- mon, but it looks like I have even more competition to contend with in the form of young Darren McCurry who made such an impact on his de- but last weekend.
A lot of people might not have been aware of him, but he's a class act.
He came in to play the same in- house game as I did before the Ar- magh game, and he played so well that night that he earned himself a
call up. He scored 1-3 from play and Mickey couldn't ignore him.
He's only been there a few weeks but he's playing and operating like he's been there for four or five years. He's confident and he's cocky, in a good way, the way the likes of Owen Mulligan is.
Those young boys like McCurry and Conor Clarke have shown that even though they're young, you could throw them into any champi- onship game and they wouldn't be fazed, and that's crucial when you go somewhere like Killarney.
You have to feel sorry for my dear clubmate and fellow county panelist Kyle Coney, who it seems couldn't manage to buy himself a bit of good luck at the minute.
Despite being ruled out for the season through injury, Kyle is still very much part of the Tyrone squad and was with the team in Roscom-
mon last weekend. In an attempt to help guide him
through these important years both in football and in life, Kyle has been paired to room with me as I try to pass on some of my experience, wis- dom and life skills on to the talented youngster.
Unfortunately, last weekend I also had to take on the roles of nurse and cleaner as poor Kyle got struck down with some sort of a bug which meant it was coming out of him at both ends.
There must have been something in the Roscommon water, as the poor lad was up and down to the bathroom like a yo-yo which made for a sleepless night for the two of us. As a precaution, I'm going to slip a few bottles of Rocwell water into the kit bag for the trip to Kerry, and hopefully that should leave my young protégé in much better shape this time around!
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Wonder how Marc O'Se would do against a 19 year old speed merchant?
Do we have one? I know nothing about McCurry. Is he a speed merchant?
Pretty sure we'll see that 15 line out, baring injuries.
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Wonder how Marc O'Se would do against a 19 year old speed merchant?
Do we have one? I know nothing about McCurry. Is he a speed merchant?
From what I have seen he's sharp more than very quick if that makes any sense. Seems to be quick of the mark and a great turn. Also extremely accurate. The question mark at this stage is whether he can win his own ball in a tight championship match. I think we will see him at some stage on Saturday so may have a better idea after that. Could help solve part of the free taking issue in the coming years. Confidence doesn't seem to be an issue.
McCurry will surely spice things up, can see him in the mix.
He's defo a speed merchant in my opinion, certainly when compared to the full forward line which is starting, he offers something very different.
Serious prospect no question, but probably a year too early in my humble opinion. Still as fuzz says, it'll be an interesting dual with Marc O'Se. O'Se has all the craft and experience in the world but if he was to be isOlated 1v1, there could be joy to be had there...
Faster than Penrose?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 19, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Wonder how Marc O'Se would do against a 19 year old speed merchant?
Do we have one? I know nothing about McCurry. Is he a speed merchant?
From what I have seen he's sharp more than very quick if that makes any sense. Seems to be quick of the mark and a great turn. Also extremely accurate. The question mark at this stage is whether he can win his own ball in a tight championship match. I think we will see him at some stage on Saturday so may have a better idea after that. Could help solve part of the free taking issue in the coming years. Confidence doesn't seem to be an issue.
Bit soon to be heaping all this pressure on him? I mean it was a twenty minute cameo against Roscommon, before that if anyone of us was asked about him we'd talk about a take-out in Draperstown. I don't want to see a situation develop were he comes out the next day and has a poor match or an average match. Then all the chat will be the "what happened McCurry/ never delivered on his potential" shite that Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew, BJ Keane, Aidan O'Shea and countless others have to put up with.
One good performance and your a f**king superstar, one bad performance and Joe Brolly is writing your Prima-dona obituary. As the ould boys say don't count your chickens.
FoSB - any chance of Brolly's article? I'll buy you a shandy.
Tell him to buy his own bloody paper & help a good cause. Speaking of which when is the 32-32-32 crew in Kerry? I hope they get a nice welcome.
I have my own paper but not a digital version.
Quote from: trileacman on July 19, 2012, 11:28:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 19, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Wonder how Marc O'Se would do against a 19 year old speed merchant?
Do we have one? I know nothing about McCurry. Is he a speed merchant?
From what I have seen he's sharp more than very quick if that makes any sense. Seems to be quick of the mark and a great turn. Also extremely accurate. The question mark at this stage is whether he can win his own ball in a tight championship match. I think we will see him at some stage on Saturday so may have a better idea after that. Could help solve part of the free taking issue in the coming years. Confidence doesn't seem to be an issue.
Bit soon to be heaping all this pressure on him? I mean it was a twenty minute cameo against Roscommon, before that if anyone of us was asked about him we'd talk about a take-out in Draperstown. I don't want to see a situation develop were he comes out the next day and has a poor match or an average match. Then all the chat will be the "what happened McCurry/ never delivered on his potential" shite that Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew, BJ Keane, Aidan O'Shea and countless others have to put up with.
One good performance and your a f**king superstar, one bad performance and Joe Brolly is writing your Prima-dona obituary. As the ould boys say don't count your chickens.
I certainly wasn't try to put any pressure on him. And don't think I said anything too over the top that would suggest he's going to be some kind of superstar. What I said was based on seeing him play in 4 u21 games this season and the brief appearance v Roscommon. Would want to see a bit more him before making a judgement and as I said will know better after seeing him in a few tight championship matches.
Just read McGuigans article there, Jesus its shite, he gives no insight worth talking about whatsoever. Just goes to show not all players/explayers make good pundits or journalists.
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Bit soon to be heaping all this pressure on him? I mean it was a twenty minute cameo against Roscommon, before that if anyone of us was asked about him we'd talk about a take-out in Draperstown. I don't want to see a situation develop were he comes out the next day and has a poor match or an average match. Then all the chat will be the "what happened McCurry/ never delivered on his potential" shite that Colm Cavanagh, Raymond Mulgrew, BJ Keane, Aidan O'Shea and countless others have to put up with.
One good performance and your a f**king superstar, one bad performance and Joe Brolly is writing your Prima-dona obituary. As the ould boys say don't count your chickens.
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Being a tad dramatic there?
Few interesting things about the subs;
Ronan McNamee coming back from a long lay off.
Jonny Lafferty not listed at all? . And it cant be down to the alphabetical order issue...
Good luck to all the Tyrone lads heading down tonight on the tear. Choose your Kerry woman wisely!
Yes Trileacman we're all hanging our hopes on McCurry who probably wont get more than 15 mins knowing Mickey. ::)
Was chatting to a lad from the club this morning and they are going on a stag weekend to Killarney today. They had it booked ages ago so I'll say there could be some crack there.
Oh to be young free and single again. But enough about me.
I know there is probably no chance of many of ye taking me up on this but sure I'll ask anyway.
Would it be possible for ye to come on here and give one honest post on who you think is gonna win and for what reasons. Where do you think the game is gonna be won and lost and who is going to be the main players on the day
Yes I know we all like to play the WUM and some are so caught up in reverse psychology that they'd never ever speak their true minds.
Personally I am worried that our run over the Kingdom is gonna come to an end.
I think if we can contain them for 40/50 mins we will win but I think Kerry will be all out to put up an early lead and if they don't have that at half time then doubt could seep in.
Kerry by 4 points I'm sad to say. :'( :'(
Right Fuzzman - here's mine. I won't be any less disappointed posting this if we lose than if I hadn't posted it.
I have to be optimistic here and go for Tyrone. Yes we've lost the big names, but we've picked up a few gems that Kerry aren't as familiar with. We haven't had a league game with them in a couple of years, we didn't get much league tv coverage, so from this year Kerry have the Armagh and Donegal matches to go on, two quite different games.
I think there will be so much desperation in the Kerry camp to beat Tyrone at home, that it will work against them. For Kerry, nothing less than a win will do for a lot of the older heads on the team. For Tyrone, we'll just go back to the drawing board and let Mickey have a bit of a rest that he deserves. Can Kerry cope with that pressure? I hope not.
I love that it's a hard match to call. No counting chickens in this one, even at half time or with 50 mins on the clock - see AIF 2008 for that lesson. Tyrone powered on in the last ten to take the match - I'd love to see the same thing happen here again.
Also, not convinced that's the team that will start.
Head also says Kerry by 4. Tyrone haven't beaten a team of note for a while and although that breakthrough will happen some time, I can't see it being this weekend. I expect the Kerry midfield to dominate the game and although in the past that has meant nothing to Tyrone I don't think we've the army of ants to compensate. Lack of reliable free taker adds to that. Sheehan MOTM.
Good queston Fuzz
Unfortunately I agree with you. I geniunely think Kerry will win, although at odds of 8/15 I wouldnt touch them in the bookies (Im fond of a bet you see!)
Ultimately I think Kerry will shade the match because (A) they have better forwards, (B)
home advantage & (C) they have the greater need for victory here.
(D) The Tyrone full back line wouldnt be the most experienced either, and taking on Donaghy & Gooch isnt easy at the best of times
(E) Finally in close fought games free taking is crucial. Kerry have Bryan Sheehan, the best in the business. We have 4 or 5 men who will juggle the responsibility & invariably miss a few big scores.
Sheehan was made scapegoat by Kerry fans in 2008. Redemption beckons. Key man.
I fear that Kerry will tear into Tyrone in the first 25 minutes and build up a huge lead, then their goose will be cooked and they will cynically drag pull and haul Tyrone for the next 45.... whilst Coldrick waves play on. The Draperstown lad comes on for the last 15 and Tyrone are alive but as the red hands set about to kick over the equaliser, Mc Menamen makes a run the full length of the field, Cooper goes with him as he enters the square theres a tangle or two - Gooch goes down holding his tonsils with a snarling Mc Menamin standing over him. In all the furore and with Jack O Connor sent to behind the stand, Mc Menamin gets the line, the Tyrone point is disallowed theres a hop ball in the square between Donaghy from Beragh and Penrose from Carmen. Penrose riseth higher and punches the ball over the bar, but to everyones disbelief the referee gives a square ball and awards the tie to Kerry. A disgruntled Tyrone supporter drives his car onto the pitch and the referee is escorted to the pub by Gardai traffic branch.
Haha!!!
lol
p.s who is "The Draperstown lad"
I must be the only one that sees some of the Kerry forwards as being a tad over-rated. Galvin can win a bit of ball but he doesn't really hurt the opposition, Darren O'Cullivan is fast but he doesn;t get enough scores and Declan O'Sullivan usually has one or two good moments a match. Donaghy can catch if allowed, but if that avenue is negated then he isn't much to worry about. The Gooch on the otherhand is unmarkable really if any kind of decent ball comes his way.
"Mccurry"
Excellent rrhf.
What does that crystal ball say about Saturdays' lotto numbers and what name should I call my son as we're still not sure.
Also, in your premonition, does Paidi O'Se punch any animals?
Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
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Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
honestly. + there's no consideration whatsoever here for the post-modern perspective on the complexity of identity. which is a shame because 'tis handy to unpack and debunk stereotypes and all sorts of other nonsense.
honestly. you're backing a man who continuously offends his northern brothers and sisters and offers little to nothing discussion wise because I maybe dont like Donegal's style of play? head back over to the Ulster final thread and take all gripes against Donegal personally. Honestly?
Tyrone by 2 after extra time
Interesting point POG
Maybe we should try to force it to extra time
Keep it at 0.00 v 0.00 til Full time
Then turn on the turbos and burn off them older heads in the sun
Looks like it's gonna be a nice day 2moro down there.
Staying dry on Saturday with some sunny spells. Highs of 17 to 20 degrees in moderate southwest winds.
Cant make it and have no TV access. I know the question has been asked about Does the TV3 website stream live to a Norn Iron ip address
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
FoSB - any chance of Brolly's article? I'll buy you a shandy.
Too kind sir! ;)
Gooch can't choke againThe problem with this Kerry team is that they have always failed when it has really been put up to them.
Pat Spillane is very keen to point out that in the numbers game, they have more All-Irelands than Tyrone. But this disguises the reality that deep down in their bones, Kerry folk have always had doubts about this group.
They are, of course, fine foot- ballers and will retire with trophy cabinets sagging under the weight of gold. But at the very highest level, against serious opposition, they have always wilted.
The first hint that they were not on a par with the Golden Years crop came in 2003 when they collapsed entirely in the face of Tyrone's furi- ous indignation. "Sweet mother of Mikey Sheehy" they wailed in the Kingdom. "They're tackling Darragh O'Se!"
As the game wore on and it be- came plain that this particular Ty- rone team was not going to succumb to stage fright in the face of the green and gold jerseys, it was the Kerry men who gave up. It was a surrender that would have been un- thinkable for O'Dwyer's crew. For the record, Kerry scored a miserable six points and lost by seven.
In 2004, the Team of the Decade beat up a Conor Mortimer-inspired Mayo in the final, spraying cham- pagne midway through the first half after Colm Cooper scored a delight- ful goal having soloed through un- touched by human hand. Funny thing, I haven't seen Colm scoring a delightful goal against Tyrone in Croke Park, or any sort of goal.
Which brings me to another sub- ject that I have been reflecting upon anxiously over the last six months: Is Colm as great as I once- thought he was? The skills are of course peerless. He is magnificent when the Kingdom are beating up on Mayo or the old Cork team. But I am begin- ning to have my doubts.
I watched him closely in this year's club semi-final against Cross- maglen. Crokes went seven points up. He had not contributed. Then, Crossmaglen - against all the odds - began their comeback. Now, I thought to myself, now Cooper will ead them home. I waited, and wait- ed, and waited. In the face of Cross- maglen's furious indignation, the golden boy disappeared.
James Morgan, an aggressive, tight marking and hugely competi- tive corner back with no county ex- perience and aged just 21, utterly dominated him.
An American tourist would never have believed it if you'd told him The Gooch was one of the greats. If howver you'd told him he was a choker, he would have agreed, since that is what Colm did against Cross. As their key man floundered, so did his team mates.
When you think about it, there is a pattern.
When Tyrone put it up to him in 2005 and 2008 he failed. When Dublin put it up to him in last year's final, he failed, leaving it to Donaghy to lead the attack. Think on the other hand of how many times Mikey Sheehy, Bomber Liston or my good friend Pat turned games on their head. No quitters on that team.
In 2003, Tyrone put it up to them and Kerry wilted.
The next year, the Green and Gold were back to beat up Mayo in a one sided cakewalk. Let's be fair about it, they could have thrown their jerseys onto the field and Mayo would have surrendered.
In 2005, Tyrone put it up to them again and again the Kingdom quit after a great start saw them surge clear. It is typical of bullies that when a strong start doesn't deter the opponent, they begin to doubt themselves.
In 2006, hip hip hooray, it was Mayo again. Oh how they laughed in the Kingdom when the news came through on the wireless. Come the day of the final, John Morrison'sprediction that Mayo would be Brazil against Kerry's England prompted a new entry in Private Eye's 'Coleman Balls'. The game was over after fifteen minutes, which is just the way Kerry like it. Star and Gooch ran riot and Pat put another notch in his bed post. A 13 point margin.
In 2007 it was Cork. Again, game over after ten minutes and a cushty 10-point win.
In 2008, Tyrone again. Kerry huffed and puffed for a good while that day. like the Big Bad Wolf they threatened to blow down the Tyrone house.
But like the Big Bad Wolf, they chickened out at the finale. With four minutes to go it was a draw. In the RTE soft seats though, we knew what was coming.
I nudged Patrick with my elbow and said "Hard luck." "F*** off" he said. Tyrone duly reeled off five unanswered points.
In 2009, hip hip hooray, it was Cork again and another one sided canter. By God, the Kerry men were throwing their weight about that day. "Fair play to you Tadgh." they roared in the Kingdom. Why didn't they do that the previous year?
In 2010, Kerry were fazed by the fact that Down were totally unfazed. It was the referee's fault don't you know.
Last year, they were fazed by the fact that Gilroy had discarded the startled earwigs and replaced them with an army of worker ants. Dublin stuck with them for sixty minutes. Again, the bullies yielded.
On Saturday, everything is stacked in the Kingdom's favour. Home venue, everyone fully fit, their destroyer in chief Sean Cavanagh in- jured and a Tyrone team not at the level of its predecessors. Yet Tyrone don't give a damn about their green and gold.
If Kerry can finally stand up and by that I mean all of them, not just Tomas and Marc O'Se, then this could be the path to another All-Ire- land. But far more importantly, it will be the path to self respect.
Something Tyrone have never had to worry about...
Brolly is a derry man not a Tyrone man, and he wants to see Tyrone beat and badly. Colm Cooper is a legend and dosent need this...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 20, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
FoSB - any chance of Brolly's article? I'll buy you a shandy.
Too kind sir! ;)
Gooch can't choke again
The problem with this Kerry team is that they have always failed when it has really been put up to them.
Pat Spillane is very keen to point out that in the numbers game, they have more All-Irelands than Tyrone. But this disguises the reality that deep down in their bones, Kerry folk have always had doubts about this group.
They are, of course, fine foot- ballers and will retire with trophy cabinets sagging under the weight of gold. But at the very highest level, against serious opposition, they have always wilted.
The first hint that they were not on a par with the Golden Years crop came in 2003 when they collapsed entirely in the face of Tyrone's furi- ous indignation. "Sweet mother of Mikey Sheehy" they wailed in the Kingdom. "They're tackling Darragh O'Se!"
As the game wore on and it be- came plain that this particular Ty- rone team was not going to succumb to stage fright in the face of the green and gold jerseys, it was the Kerry men who gave up. It was a surrender that would have been un- thinkable for O'Dwyer's crew. For the record, Kerry scored a miserable six points and lost by seven.
In 2004, the Team of the Decade beat up a Conor Mortimer-inspired Mayo in the final, spraying cham- pagne midway through the first half after Colm Cooper scored a delight- ful goal having soloed through un- touched by human hand. Funny thing, I haven't seen Colm scoring a delightful goal against Tyrone in Croke Park, or any sort of goal.
Which brings me to another sub- ject that I have been reflecting upon anxiously over the last six months: Is Colm as great as I once- thought he was? The skills are of course peerless. He is magnificent when the Kingdom are beating up on Mayo or the old Cork team. But I am begin- ning to have my doubts.
I watched him closely in this year's club semi-final against Cross- maglen. Crokes went seven points up. He had not contributed. Then, Crossmaglen - against all the odds - began their comeback. Now, I thought to myself, now Cooper will ead them home. I waited, and wait- ed, and waited. In the face of Cross- maglen's furious indignation, the golden boy disappeared.
James Morgan, an aggressive, tight marking and hugely competi- tive corner back with no county ex- perience and aged just 21, utterly dominated him.
An American tourist would never have believed it if you'd told him The Gooch was one of the greats. If howver you'd told him he was a choker, he would have agreed, since that is what Colm did against Cross. As their key man floundered, so did his team mates.
When you think about it, there is a pattern.
When Tyrone put it up to him in 2005 and 2008 he failed. When Dublin put it up to him in last year's final, he failed, leaving it to Donaghy to lead the attack. Think on the other hand of how many times Mikey Sheehy, Bomber Liston or my good friend Pat turned games on their head. No quitters on that team.
In 2003, Tyrone put it up to them and Kerry wilted.
The next year, the Green and Gold were back to beat up Mayo in a one sided cakewalk. Let's be fair about it, they could have thrown their jerseys onto the field and Mayo would have surrendered.
In 2005, Tyrone put it up to them again and again the Kingdom quit after a great start saw them surge clear. It is typical of bullies that when a strong start doesn't deter the opponent, they begin to doubt themselves.
In 2006, hip hip hooray, it was Mayo again. Oh how they laughed in the Kingdom when the news came through on the wireless. Come the day of the final, John Morrison'sprediction that Mayo would be Brazil against Kerry's England prompted a new entry in Private Eye's 'Coleman Balls'. The game was over after fifteen minutes, which is just the way Kerry like it. Star and Gooch ran riot and Pat put another notch in his bed post. A 13 point margin.
In 2007 it was Cork. Again, game over after ten minutes and a cushty 10-point win.
In 2008, Tyrone again. Kerry huffed and puffed for a good while that day. like the Big Bad Wolf they threatened to blow down the Tyrone house.
But like the Big Bad Wolf, they chickened out at the finale. With four minutes to go it was a draw. In the RTE soft seats though, we knew what was coming.
I nudged Patrick with my elbow and said "Hard luck." "F*** off" he said. Tyrone duly reeled off five unanswered points.
In 2009, hip hip hooray, it was Cork again and another one sided canter. By God, the Kerry men were throwing their weight about that day. "Fair play to you Tadgh." they roared in the Kingdom. Why didn't they do that the previous year?
In 2010, Kerry were fazed by the fact that Down were totally unfazed. It was the referee's fault don't you know.
Last year, they were fazed by the fact that Gilroy had discarded the startled earwigs and replaced them with an army of worker ants. Dublin stuck with them for sixty minutes. Again, the bullies yielded.
On Saturday, everything is stacked in the Kingdom's favour. Home venue, everyone fully fit, their destroyer in chief Sean Cavanagh in- jured and a Tyrone team not at the level of its predecessors. Yet Tyrone don't give a damn about their green and gold.
If Kerry can finally stand up and by that I mean all of them, not just Tomas and Marc O'Se, then this could be the path to another All-Ire- land. But far more importantly, it will be the path to self respect.
Something Tyrone have never had to worry about...
He is somewhat right, but is just winding people up.
Cooper though played well in 2005 and 2008 from what I can remember, the likes of Bryan Sheehan certainly though choked spectacularily against Tyrone.
Brolly has given Kerry all the motivation they need if they didn't already have it. Allmost everything is in Kerry's favour from the venue to the refferee... I still can't call it...
Rois, who do you see coming in instead?
Is McCarron likely to start at 5?
I can see Kerry bringing Star out the field like they did v Dubs last year.
He's too important a player for them to have surrounded by red hands
He can also shoot from far out.
A lot of Tyrone people seem to have serious issue with Coldrick. Is this from the Donegal game or other games? I wasn't at it but I watched it and thought he gave us very little but usually I think he's a good enough ref.
Brolly & Spillane as we know are fools and love themselves so much so maybe we should all just not mention them any more and not add fuel to their fires.
Is there a ladies match on before hand? :-[
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/final-countdown-1478185.html?start=1 (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/final-countdown-1478185.html?start=1)
That is complete shite from Brolly.Kerry's losses to Tyrone in the 05 and 08 finals were in no way an example of Colm Cooper choking.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 02:27:15 PM
Rois, who do you see coming in instead?
Is McCarron likely to start at 5?
I can see Kerry bringing Star out the field like they did v Dubs last year.
He's too important a player for them to have surrounded by red hands
He can also shoot from far out.
A lot of Tyrone people seem to have serious issue with Coldrick. Is this from the Donegal game or other games? I wasn't at it but I watched it and thought he gave us very little but usually I think he's a good enough ref.
Brolly & Spillane as we know are fools and love themselves so much so maybe we should all just not mention them any more and not add fuel to their fires.
Is there a ladies match on before hand? :-[
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/final-countdown-1478185.html?start=1 (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/final-countdown-1478185.html?start=1)
Donaghy is nothing special out the field, he wouldn't score that many if you took in the number of attempts he makes.
That stuff from Brolly is totally disrespectful and unnecessary.
If he never played another game the All Ireland medals Gooch has in his pocket would make a nice rattle. Joe's medal wouldnt.
The more we talk about him the more we feed his already huge ego
I'm sure he reads the board and loves this crap
Its set up nicely now for Gooch to play the game of his life in front of his home crowd.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
Its set up nicely now for Gooch to play the game of his life in front of his home crowd.
Joe's intention all along ?
Right ok, let's even it out...Stevie O'Neill is done. Can't even run anymore. Hasn't played a decent game since quitting in 2008. Mulligan is still living off that 2005 goal. Done nothing since except open a bar beside the chinese in Cookstown.
(Cue the lads score 1-5 each...)
::)
Joe Brolly would know all about choking in Croke Park. He played 3 c'ship games in Croke Park and scored just 0-2 in total. That's a point less than the Gooch scored against Tyrone from play in the 2008 All-Ireland final alone.
Good man Sheamy.
I presume you're back in 2005 & 2008 mode of supporting the red arses again.
Here's a wee article from the Irish Indo from our aul pal Breheny putting some pressure on Kerry to win
Legend Sheehy insists Kerry face major overhaul if they fail to overcome their old nemesis Tyrone in Killarney
SO many aspects of Kerry's reputation as football's greatest empire are under threat in Saturday's All-Ireland qualifier clash with Tyrone that it could develop into both a season and era-defining game.
Defeat would not only end Kerry's pursuit of a 37th senior title for this year, it would also probably result in a radical overhaul on and off the pitch for next season. In addition, it would leave Kerry with an unfortunate legacy of firsts, which both the squad and management are determined to avoid.
They include:
- Becoming the first Kerry team to lose a championship game on home ground to any county other than Cork.
- Losing a qualifier game for the first time.
- Losing their record as the only county not to have lost a qualifier.
- Failing to qualify for the All-Ireland quarter-finals for the first time since the new championship system was introduced in 2001.
- Suffering a first championship defeat in Killarney since losing to Cork in the 1995 Munster final.
- Being eliminated from the championship in July for the first time since 1999.
It's quite a list of 'things to avoid' in a season which surprisingly veered off course for Kerry after they topped the Division 1A table in early April, taking 11 from a possible 14 points.
Since then, Kerry have lost to Mayo and Cork, while beating Tipperary and Westmeath, the latter victory achieved so narrowly in Mullingar last Sunday that the small band of travelling supporters left Cusack Park feeling extremely relieved.
Among them was Mikey Sheehy, one of Kerry's greatest ever forwards, who candidly admits that Westmeath were unlucky not to have pulled off a huge shock.
"If there hadn't been a quick response when Westmeath went six points up early in the second half, it was probably curtains for Kerry. We needed a goal and fair play to Darran (O'Sullivan) he got it, but you'd have to say that the free that went against Westmeath just before that was very harsh. No doubt about it, we got what was going on the day. Just as well, because we needed it," Sheehy said.
He suspects that if Kerry had lost last Sunday, it might have been the end of the line for quite a few players. Obviously, it could also had implications for manager Jack O'Connor, but having survived a close call, the big question now is whether it was the turning point for the season.
A similar close call, in which they beat Sligo by a point in a qualifier tie in Tralee in 2009, had a galvanising impact on the squad and just over two months later, Kerry were All-Ireland champions.
However, there is one significant difference this year. In '09, Kerry's opponents after beating Sligo were Antrim, who were facing into a qualifier tie a week after losing the Ulster final, whereas re-energised Tyrone are next up this time.
Also, Tyrone head for Killarney with an impressive record against Kerry over the last decade, having beaten them in two All-Ireland finals and a semi-final.
"It doesn't come much harder, does it? If this game was in Omagh -- or a neutral venue for that matter -- I'd be sceptical about Kerry's chances. But since it's in Killarney, I'd be expecting a huge backlash from the Kerry lads. They know how big this game is. The whole county is talking about it. We're not used to being out of championship in July, so the pressure is on to make sure it doesn't happen," said Sheehy.
He's not convinced by the comparison with three years ago when Kerry reignited their season after a sloppy start to the qualifiers, believing that it will only become relevant if the team actually deliver.
"It's easy to say, 'look how 2009 went after the close call against Sligo', but you have to remember that we're still relying on a lot of the lads who shouldered much of the load then. They're great players, but they're also three years down the road. I just hope we're not all in denial about what's happening.
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"The Kerry supporter in me would believe there's another big kick in the squad -- there will need to be because the level of performance against Tipperary, Cork and Westmeath wouldn't be anywhere near high enough to beat Tyrone. There was a lot missing in all three games and it has to be sorted out or else the season will be over on Saturday," said Sheehy.
While Tyrone wouldn't exactly be any county's first choice in the qualifier draw, Sheehy believes that the motivational dimension will be huge for the Kerry players. Losing to Tyrone three times in six seasons was a serious blow to Kerry's ego, but that would turn into outright dismay if the Red Hand's dominance extended to a fourth game, this time in Fitzgerald Stadium.
"The Kerry lads have a ferocious incentive to win this one. That won't win a game on its own, but it's a big help. So, too, is home advantage. The Kerry support will get behind the team in a big way because they know the importance of this game," said Sheehy.
It will be the first time since 2002 when they beat a Mick O'Dwyer-managed Kildare that Kerry are taking on opponents who would be regarded as genuine All-Ireland contenders in the qualifiers. But just as Tyrone are Kerry's highest profile back-door opponents, the reverse is also true.
Sheehy added: "This is as big a qualifier game as we've ever had. It's great for the championship, but one very big name will be gone by Saturday. I hope it's not Kerry."
- Martin Breheny
I'm going to say Kerry by 2 in a real heated and hotly constanted championship match. 2 red cards and a good game of football to boot.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Good man Sheamy.
I presume you're back in 2005 & 2008 mode of supporting the red arses again.
Support is a little strong but good luck :D
Fond memories still reside of the blonde haired midfielder welcoming us through the Moy with the Sam. Not even the vile unsporting acts of the next generation of some of his club men can take that away. A true gent.
Tyrone by 4 and a handbag war to break out on the streets of Killarney afterwards with a full week of photoshopping to follow.
My prediction for the weekend................... Dromaird Pearses to get their revenge!!!!!!!!!!!!
Above all else, stay safe lads.
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This could be game of the championship/qualifiers/decade or whatever but its most definitely a game that both teams will want to win badly for the simple reason that it keeps them in the championship.
I'm not so sure that Kerry will really be all that driven by history, nor that Tyrone will be driven to keep their record over their Munster rivals.
Media and fans tend to put too much into the relevance of history - the last games played between the two teams only serve to stoke up the passions, and sell papers.
What is certain is that there will be an immense amount of pressure on the Kerry team to perform in front of their faithful.
Remember the old battle cry "sure cork/kerry fans dont turn up until the final..", well they'll turn up tomorrow, and given the fright they received in the last round courtesy of Westmeath, the fans will be wanting a perfromance.
And i think that Kerry will need to be at their very best to beat Tyrone tomorrow.
This year to date, Tyrone have had the makings of a fairly decent season - in the league they were strong, regardless of the quality around them. In the championship, they played superb football against Armagh, and in the following round, where they had to dramatically change their tactics, they ran Donegal close. The game against Roscommon, did nothing more than bring a new footballer onto the wider stage, but over all as a team, Tyrone have been scoring this season.
And it will be scores needed to beat Kerry tomorrow, and thats where i think Tyrone will over come Kerry.
I would ignore Brolly's comments about the Gooch - the former is a slabber, the later, one of the players of his or for that matter any generation.
I would also ignore the pressure put on young McCurry...with Penrose, O'Neill, Harte, Donnelly, McMahon, Cavanagh, there are myriad players who on their day can score 2/3 points each...
I feel the burden of expectation will weigh heavy on the Kerrymen.
Tyrone by 3.
Is this game on TV??
Well lads, I will have her on in "The Field "@ 9.00am San Diego time! Should be a good wee crowd in, a few Kerry boyos hopefully to abuse! Looking forward to this game immensely, should be a cracker, may the best team win........and mikesheehy,lick them!!!
Don't understand the "gooch choking" thing, he was near motm in 08 , kerry left that one behind imo, Tyrone got the rub of the green that day.
Tomorrow should be a great occasion, i fancy kerry to win it, it could be a fierce battle. Kerry have the better forwards on paper , solid free kick taker in Sheehan which could prove vital too, as there could be a lot of fouling.
i would go for any other Ulster team; but I have a deep hatred for them Tyrone hoors. I don't think I could put it into words but If i was on fire and ricey mcmenamin was standing opposite me with a bucket of water, I wouldn't ask him to throw it over me.
The hatred is deep down; i'll list a few things
1.Ricey McMenamin
2.Conor Gormley
3. Tyrone's diving on their way to their first All-Ireland
4. Tyrone beating Derry in the late 90s
5. The fact that we can't sing there is 'NO All-Ireland in Tyrone' when they start chanting to go back to Londonderry.
6. Ricey McMenamin (he deserves to be on this list twice)
7.Strabane
Ah f**k it i would be here all night. i'm away to bed.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
The more we talk about him the more we feed his already huge ego
I'm sure he reads the board and loves this crap
You stole my joke Brolly. I've not forgotten....
Quote from: ziggysego on July 21, 2012, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
The more we talk about him the more we feed his already huge ego
I'm sure he reads the board and loves this crap
You stole my joke Brolly. I've not forgotten....
ahahah what was it?
Quote from: theticklemister on July 21, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on July 21, 2012, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
The more we talk about him the more we feed his already huge ego
I'm sure he reads the board and loves this crap
You stole my joke Brolly. I've not forgotten....
ahahah what was it?
The time Marcel Marceau died, I said that there should be a minute's noise for him. Brolly printed it in the Gaelic Life and didn't credit me.... Derry pr*ck! ;)
don't worry he'll steal my Mcmenamin/water story no doubt too.don't worry i know when he returns to Dungiven at the weekends ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. i'll PM you with the details!!
Quote from: theticklemister on July 21, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
don't worry he'll steal my Mcmenamin/water story no doubt too.don't worry i know when he returns to Dungiven at the weekends ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. i'll
;D ;D
Can't sleep. Too nervous. Can't stop thinking tactics & young baby Harry must be the same or maybe he needs a bottle of the house white. I'm dying to go down on the train from Dublin with about 12 others from TAD.ie but feel guilty leaving the wife & 4 kids. Could well be last game though but maybe I'm better missing it. Where's me keys? Come on Harry. We'll sneak out. Howl your tongue!
Any of you tech savy chaps any idea how to stream this game online; working in the sticks in Oz and really dont wanna miss this?
Chiefwhip, setanta -i is your best bet methinks.
Best of luck to the red hands today. Hopefully it's a belter of a game. I'm going to keep the O'Neill county glasses welded on and go for a 2 point win. Safe travelling to all heading down the country. COME ON TYRONE, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN!
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Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
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Quote from: cadence on July 19, 2012, 07:59:12 AM
unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
honestly. + there's no consideration whatsoever here for the post-modern perspective on the complexity of identity. which is a shame because 'tis handy to unpack and debunk stereotypes and all sorts of other nonsense.
honestly. you're backing a man who continuously offends his northern brothers and sisters and offers little to nothing discussion wise because I maybe dont like Donegal's style of play? head back over to the Ulster final thread and take all gripes against Donegal personally. Honestly?
Tyrone by 2 after extra time
Mike will be outside the ground with a petition to have Kerry's All Ireland's won in 1903,04,09,13,14 removed from the history books as they were won whilst Kerry was under british rule and he believes them to be tainted.
This will be fascinating. Can talent defeat effort? Can skill overcome persistence? Can the beauty of the object of our passion survive the machinations of a wily Fagin and his horde of malevolent thieves, intent on pickpocketing the soul of it? I mean this board. I'm afraid it will be business as usual here on Monday morning, with rrhf and the shrieking army of fanatical bushwallahs drowning out the sweet reason of Mike Sheehy.
A really good article by Billy Keane in today's Independent - paints a different picture of Kerry folk than that idiot Sheehy on this board.
Kerry and Tyrone is so much more than a football match. For Mickey Harte and for all of us.
There will be many even in heartland of the Kingdom who will cheer for Tyrone. The sympathy and affection for Mickey Harte knows no boundaries.
If we're beaten in Killarney this evening, all of us will back Tyrone for the rest of the summer, but for now we will roar for our own beloved Kerry.
Don't tell Mr Ahmed.
Mr Ahmed, a renowned throat specialist, told me a persistent hoarseness was down to mucus seeping from an old battle wound of a broken nose.
Indeed I remember the blow only too well. It was at a carnival game in Moyvane, the Rio of north Kerry. The murderous corner-back who hit me with a kango of an elbow declared it was all a terrible accident -- it was my brother Conor he was after.
This evening we will do our best to keep quiet, but championship fervour has ruined more throats than Woodbines.
All of Ireland will cheer themselves hoarse for Mickey Harte.
He knows what it takes to beat Kerry. This will be four in a row in championship games if Tyrone win.
sacred
Tyrone desperately crave victory on our sacred turf and a win by playing classy football. Once that first All-Ireland was wrought from a mix of graft, guts, skill and puke too, Mickey has always kept an eye on the history of style.
Tyrone will try to run Kerry off the pitch and out the gate up into the Macgillicuddy Reeks, a well-known retreat for a beaten Kerry team.
Referee Dave Goldrick has a tough job. Goldrick is one of the best refs in the game, despite the occasional human lapse. He is also one of the fairest and has no favourites.
But now Dave has to referee a saga of a game between the two fiercest rivals in the GAA, and the background is everyone everywhere would love for Tyrone to win this one.
All we want is fair play. Yes we did get a refereeing break against Westmeath in Mullingar last Sunday, but that was as rare as a sunny day in summer.
The neutrals for Tyrone among you will claim I am biased.
Yes I am Kerry and always will be. I will not join in the criticism of our team and manager.
When I started to write this column more than 10 years ago, I promised I would never down my own county.
We are up against it this evening. There isn't much confidence behind the team within Kerry. Gallant Westmeath were desperately unlucky. Kerry only played for 10 minutes but I believe we can win, if we multiply 10 by seven.
Kerry are seldom underdogs. It's almost a luxury for us.
Never mind the bookies. Their odds are accountancy-based, to offset the flood of money on Kerry to win the All-Ireland.
In the hearts and minds of Kerry people, Tyrone are hot favourites. Yet Kerry have always given their best when they are unfancied.
Our friend Kieran Donaghy, of Tyrone ancestry, has been written off by those two well-known footballers on the ditch, all and sundry. Expect a big game from the big man this evening, for that's the nature of the fierce pride in jersey and self that epitomises the hero from Tralee town.
I'm sure Mickey Harte would approve of such loyalty. He has played with and managed county and club for all of his life.
No man has ever been more welcome in our county.
He will, as usual, stand quietly by the edge of the dugout with a cognitive finger under his jaw as he calmly analyses the fury before him.
Part of his magic as a manager is that he distances himself from time and place. But I am sure there are long nights when Mauritius is only too near and January is today.
Mickey would swap every All-Ireland ever played for one hour with his beloved Michaela but that will come too, in time, and many more hours with it. And that will be the joyous meeting.
Loyalty
We are torn in Kerry by an undying loyalty to the Kingdom and the love and respect we hold for this mighty man who in so many ways has brought such dignity and honour to his beloved Tyrone and has inspired all of us, in every jersey.
Mickey must keep the tragedy that befell his lovely daughter separate from football. He has to, but the goodwill and sympathy we all carry for the bereaved families has become an intrinsic part of the emotional consciousness of a nation.
There will be candles burning brightly in Kerry windows tonight to light Mickey and Tyrone safely home and a prayer will be said in every green and gold Kerry heart for the Hartes and McAreaveys.
Yes this is more than a game. It is a manifestation of solidarity and sympathy for two GAA families torn by events outside of their control.
Two families we in the GAA desperately desire to put back together again.
- Billy Keane
Just in Tipp, plenty of early starts this morning. Any recommendations of where to go for a pre-match bev? That's within walking distance of the pitch.
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This will be fascinating. Can talent defeat effort? Can skill overcome persistence? Can the beauty of the object of our passion survive the machinations of a wily Fagin and his horde of malevolent thieves, intent on pickpocketing the soul of it? I mean this board. I'm afraid it will be business as usual here on Monday morning, with rrhf and the shrieking army of fanatical bushwallahs drowning out the sweet reason of Mike Sheehy.
Very good but only partly true. I can sense your own nerves also having been awarded a Leinster title by a Tyrone man I know you would almost begrudge the Monaghan man the success, these are outsiders tampering with your beloved Meath and it doesn't feel right because you cant love outsiders . It will never happen in bushwallah country. Do you want us to send down sludden again to win you the auld thing again or are you happy enough with it in all left in the safe hands of Banty. Anyway if Tyrone are bate I'll admit to not handling it well so, and the thought of the sheehy man etc. id struggle to take. I might never appear on here again. As this could be my last post I'm gonna say yerra one last time. Good luck to all teams this weekend, and to Mickey and the team, just give it your best and we, ll be happy.
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unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
honestly. + there's no consideration whatsoever here for the post-modern perspective on the complexity of identity. which is a shame because 'tis handy to unpack and debunk stereotypes and all sorts of other nonsense.
honestly. you're backing a man who continuously offends his northern brothers and sisters and offers little to nothing discussion wise because I maybe dont like Donegal's style of play? head back over to the Ulster final thread and take all gripes against Donegal personally. Honestly?
Tyrone by 2 after extra time
i'm sorry, but you read that not in the way i intended it to be read. i made no reference to what you think of how donegal may play. i'm as offended as any right-minded person about his comments and was actually making fun of his offensiveness about what he thinks irish identity should be, and that if he had more of a grip on how complex identity is, then maybe he could debunk a few stereotypes himself... stupid kerrymen for example.
on a more serious note, i'll always back donegal to the hilt.
Great drive so far, and there is plenty of Tyrone support heading to Killarney.
Lets hope the result will go our way today, and I am going for a 3 point win for us in the end.....
As usual, I will be doing live updates throughout the match on Twitter and Facebook
for those not able to travel or see it on TV.
Here's to a good day out.......
https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive
http://www.facebook.com/tyronegaa
Chat of roadworks on the way down, Abbeyfeale I think.
who won the minor game?
Does anyone have a link to watch the game?
Tyrone minors played Monaghan at 12 bells, not in Tralee , anyone know the score can't find it anywhere
Quote from: winsamsoon on July 21, 2012, 03:33:45 PM
Tyrone minors played Monaghan at 12 bells, not in Tralee , anyone know the score can't find it anywhere
Err, the minor and senior provincial finals are always played together, which is tomorrow in Ulster's case. Even the GAA wouldn't put a provincial final on the morning of an away senior game.
http://social.bioware.com/4053431/blog/216618
Don't know if it'll work.
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Quote from: winsamsoon on July 21, 2012, 03:33:45 PM
Tyrone minors played Monaghan at 12 bells, not in Tralee , anyone know the score can't find it anywhere
Err, the minor and senior provincial finals are always played together, which is tomorrow in Ulster's case. Even the GAA wouldn't put a provincial final on the morning of an away senior game.
What he said.
Good luck Tyrone.
would explain why i can't find the score lol one of the players fathers told me yesterday it was today
JOC sounding very confident pre-match there. Says no pressure from home fans and his lads will rise to the occasion.
MH sounding a bit more humble and speaking highly of Kerry and how they play better when against the better teams.
Kerry & Tyrone line out as expected. At least at this stage according to TV3
Don't hype it up or anything, Matt.
any streams?
Must say I've grown to really like big Darragh
He's a humble big lad and knows what to say and what NOT to say.
Much better than watching Spillane v Brolly playing toddler games.
Was Dara ever on TV before?
(http://moriartys.com/Father-Ted/I-Shot-J-R.JPG)
I hope our fans behave themselves and don't be giving the Kerry ones fodder for their Norn bias.
Wish I was there as it looks a scorcher.
Stevie Not playing as Joey took the Toss. Yes McCurry in at Full Forward. Also Ronan McNamee in for McCarron
McCurry and McNamee in, O'Neill and Mccarron make way. what a place for your debut.
Kerry look very sharp
2-1 to Kerry
Sullivan & Gooch
Cavanagh for us
Very Easy free for Kerry
Sheahan taps it over
3-1 Kerry
Coldeick point Sheehan free who is mc Namee
How the hell did he not give that as a free for Tyrone
Coldrich is riding us already.
Yellow card for Gormley
Carlin going off
Ricey on
Not looking good already lads though if we get next score it will look a lot better
Have we kicked one pass yet into our FF line?
We're looking poor but there's only a point in it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2012, 05:10:16 PM
How the hell did he not give that as a free for Tyrone
It's Coldrick - once a year is enough of an affliction with that particular charlatan.
Colderick is going to make a balls of this. How many Kerry men are behind the ball? Puke football from the inbreds.
Free not given to Tyrone no yellow for donaghy
Ref screwing Tyrone.
http://www.premiersports.tv/top/streaming/ try this, keeps jumping on my computer but may work fine for others
Some awful actions/lack of actions from Coldrick already
How was that not a free for Mark Donnelly?
Get the ball to mark donnelly. He has the beating of his man. This Kerry team can be beat.
Lucky man there could have been sent off.
Missed late tackle on Harte. Booking only 1 team
Where's the hop ball now ya w**ker. Galvin Practising for the Olympic diving team. Good debutant in the young corner forward for Kerry too.
I should go get my 3 year old. Yellow is her favourite colour.
Sheahan punishes from a free. We don't have that threat.
We're definitely not gonna finish with 15 v 15
Kerry packing the defenders in and we are not dong as good a job, if they get a wee lead now they will keep it niggly and win it on frees.
Too easily turned over, ball coming back out far too quick.
Almost no football being played and what is being played is being played by Kerry
Tyrone should be further behind Kerry wasteful so far.
Here we come again with another slow laborious build up that no doubt will end in a turn over as we over pass it
Can we not vary our tactics a bit and not ALWAYS run with it
At this rate Tyrone will have a long journey home. Have some players left already?
Way this is going Tyrone will be lucky to score 0-5 the entire game.
In fairness Kerry are playing very well but we look very poor
At last McCurry gets a shot & a point
Tyrone hanging in there however Kerry should be well ahead at this stage.
Cooper diving and Kerry sc**bag waterman threw a bottle at Gormley. Update: Cooper makes a miraculous recovery.
Tyrone will win.
Terrible typical gooch knavery
Mccaul pushing forward key to last 2 points
Very poor from Tyrone. Need to lift it bigtime 2nd half. Good to see young Cooper recovered there. Perhaps the old diving is contagious.
Painful viewing for Red Hands
We should be a lot more behind which is encouraging and will eat at Kerry's confidence
But we continue to struggle in the middle third and when we do have possession we play the same running game all the time
Hand pass x 30 and then one gets intercepted. Often from Mugsy or someone trying to pay the killer pass.
I'd like to see a big man in on the square and kick it in the ODD time. Not all the time
We don't know will they kick in long or short. They know what we're gonna do every time
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 21, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Cooper diving and Kerry sc**bag waterman threw a bottle at Gormley. Update: Cooper makes a miraculous recovery.
It must be very hard for Tyrone to take other teams doing a bit of diving with them being so honest and all.
Referee poor and Tyrone are even worse! And yet still only 4 in it.
Discipline needs to be improved this half as I'd say there will be 2nd yellows and that could be the winning or losing of this game.
I'd expect SoN to come on early 2nd half if he's fit at all.
Mugsy's not done much and would be better out on the 40 I think
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 21, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Cooper diving and Kerry sc**bag waterman threw a bottle at Gormley. Update: Cooper makes a miraculous recovery.
Cooper didn't dive - he just made a meal of the contact exactly like Gormley did earlier on... Sheenan caught him on the chest, Gormley went down holding his face
in fairness didn't see the waterman involved but if he is getting involved he should be gated
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unfortunately for tyrone, i doubt that the kerry team will be relying on the venue to see them through this one. they wouldn't be that stupid, would they?
"unfortunately"..."I doubt"...jesus what the f**k is it you Tymoan lads and this fixture...such manufactured bravado ..yet such doubt. How about nailing your colours to the mast and stop being the britboy pussies that we know you are ? Are you going to win or not ?
Up Tyrone...anything to shut this pollution up!
honestly. + there's no consideration whatsoever here for the post-modern perspective on the complexity of identity. which is a shame because 'tis handy to unpack and debunk stereotypes and all sorts of other nonsense.
honestly. you're backing a man who continuously offends his northern brothers and sisters and offers little to nothing discussion wise because I maybe dont like Donegal's style of play? head back over to the Ulster final thread and take all gripes against Donegal personally. Honestly?
Tyrone by 2 after extra time
i'm sorry, but you read that not in the way i intended it to be read. i made no reference to what you think of how donegal may play. i'm as offended as any right-minded person about his comments and was actually making fun of his offensiveness about what he thinks irish identity should be, and that if he had more of a grip on how complex identity is, then maybe he could debunk a few stereotypes himself... stupid kerrymen for example.
on a more serious note, i'll always back donegal to the hilt.
I've Urris blood in my veins...Donegal for Sam
No changes at half time
Where is Cassidy playing?
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 21, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Cooper diving and Kerry sc**bag waterman threw a bottle at Gormley. Update: Cooper makes a miraculous recovery.
Kerry are cute, they're playing Tyrone @ their own game. Cast yer mind back to Gormley a few mins before
Should have been a goal
Goal was on there.
O'Sullivan is pure class
Pure class when nobody marking him
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on July 21, 2012, 06:02:12 PM
O'Sullivan is pure class
Best forward on the field today.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Pure class when nobody marking him
Why is no one marking him?
Still think they are there do the taking if Tyrone could get someone to collect some of those breaks round the middle they could do it. 5 in it.
. 2 in it.
Lucky Tyrone goal could be a turning point?
Kerry waterboy at it again. Think they would have learned from the 08 final to keep the gorillas away from the players.
Someone will be sent off in the next few minutes... definitely coming
Great Kerry goal. Fair play.
Kerry goal almost walked it in.
What a reply
Gormley, sly digs. Just play ffs.
Who was that Kerry Defender who fell to the ground holding his face and then when the play went on just got up again as if nothing wrong.
We've not got much to offer going forward tbh. Disappointed with Mark Donnelly. Should be getting into scoring positions a bit more
Are u allowed to grab players by the throat?
McGuigan the gobshite
What the f**k is the point in that kind of carry on
Never a red card in a million years!
Tyrone down to 14 silly sending off from experienced player.
Sin é.
Not the worse red card, but Tyrone indisciplined.
O Sullivan I'd an o Mahoney. Shameful.
Silly Cnut Snout
Fair play Kerry
Ye are the far better team
McGuigan cheating like 2003.
Oops, a bit harsh there.
Some of the finest displays of thuggery I've seen in a while!
Bad tackle by Cooper - but why wasn't it a throw up as McMenamin grabbing him by the throat
Some impact by McGuignan - stupid but very harsh red though
We're still running it from the back?
Why?
Leave it in? Even if it becomes a 50-50 ball
Well that was daft from McGuigan.
Although O'Sullivan milked it a lot.
So much niggle and play-acting in this game. Would put you off football.
Tyrone outplayed but this is one of the worst refereeing performances all year.
Shooting practice
No harm to paddy hunter and Noel McGinn but you sound like a pair of 5 year olds after getting beat in the playground
One of the most cynical spiteful negative games I've seen in a long time. Both sides are as guilty as each other. This new Tyrone are nowhere near the noughties team. Referee has been terrible as well.
I hope we walk off with dignity and no afters. Last thing we need.
Made alot out of it alright but McGuigan was very silly
cowardly from b mcguigan
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 21, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
Tyrone outplayed but this is one of the worst refereeing performances all year.
Totally agree with you Nally, he should have sent a few more Tyrone players off. ;)
Quote from: Nally Stand on July 21, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
Tyrone outplayed but this is one of the worst refereeing performances all year.
How? How Gormless has lasted so long is incredible. Without cold rick this game would have gotten completely out of control.
Men against boys
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 21, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
I hope we walk off with dignity and no afters. Last thing we need.
the presence of mcmenamin negates any semblance of dignity chum.
It is getting embarrassing now
Jaysus lads, whenever ye beat us ye get hammered the next time. Those hardy Ros men must run ye into the ground..
So much for Kerry finished or too old, they totally outclassed Tyrone today and all the provincial winners will be hoping to avoid them in quarter finals now.
Curtin should get a red card for that if McGuigan got one. It was a lot worse in fact.
Bad call ref
Kerry the better side by far. Thought there was a 2nd half kick in Tyrone. The Kerry goal snufffed the possibility.
Until Tyrone find half backs and half forwards willing to get the dirty ball they will
Not be a force.
Kerry man to be lined here. Led with elbow.
Cildrick u are shit.
That decision is laughable!
Agree. Curtin should have got red.
gormley embarrassing himself, rushing and pushing to get ball back. there's 8 points in it lol
Cant stand the divingDavid Coldrick a ahite referee
The ref didn't beat us today but that last yellow card is the sort of thing that makes players decide right I'll take the law into my own hands here. End of our season so I'm gonna go that man.
Disgraceful decision
Well done Kerry. Ye were by FAR the better team. Congrats
Referee had very little to do with Tyrone getting hammered.
Declan O sullivan is a hateful Pri*K. I am sure there will be referees watching his B.S.
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
Cant stand the divingDavid Coldrick a ahite referee
seems like you are struggling to see the keyboard through your tears x
Quote from: joemamas on July 21, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Declan O sullivan is a hateful Pri*K. I am sure there will be referees watching his B.S.
the anger is strong in this one.
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Cant stand the divingDavid Coldrick a ahite referee
seems like you are struggling to see the keyboard through your tears x
lol
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Declan O sullivan is a hateful Pri*K. I am sure there will be referees watching his B.S.
the anger is strong in this one.
Not really, I am not from Tyrone, just hate to see players faking in order to get another player sent off.
Also thought the Ref was poor, As were Tyrone
Quote from: Keepthefaith93 on July 21, 2012, 06:35:06 PM
Referee had very little to do with Tyrone getting hammered.
I don't see anyone disputing that to be honest! A little consistency would be nice though. If mcguigan walked there is absolutely no doubt curtin should have gone too.
mcmenamin is vermin. a relentless tr**p
Quote from: Lady GAA GAA on July 21, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
mcmenamin is vermin. a relentless tr**p
Go easy on the spritzers Missy :-)
We were never in it lads right from the throw in.
Showed no intensity at all like we did v Donegal
Yes the ref was appalling but in fairness he booked as many in both teams I think
We won little in MF and when we had the ball we had no way of getting it into our FF line
Back in 2005 & 2008 we often prided ourselves with great kick passing into the FF line.
Now we hardly ever kick the ball more than 20 yards.
Maybe this is because of swarm defences or sweepers but I think you sometimes have to take that risk of kicking it into a 50/50 situation with the possible reward out-weighting the risk of losing possession.
We've brought in some new faces and are going in the right direction but we were no where near the level to compete with such a highly motivated Kerry team in their home soil.
Congrats Kerry and I hope ye get to the final where Dublin beat you again. ;D
Shameful Tyrone performance
Quote from: Minder on July 21, 2012, 06:42:56 PM
Shameful Tyrone performance
Disgraceful, an absolute embarrassment.
I predicted a handy Kerry win and so it proved. Couldn't see the grounds for the optimism of other Tyrone fans given that Tyrone are very much in transition whereas Kerry are still amongst the best teams in the country.These are teams at different levels right now. Kerry were deserving winners and should really have won by more. All that said I think Tyrone will still be very disappointed by how they played, they are capable of better than that and it was the worst Tyrone performance in years. Coldrick had a very poor game indeed but that had no impact at all on the outcome.
I think looking back on this season Tyrone can count themselves unlucky in regarding the injuries to Sean Cavanagh and Kyle Coney. Two players who would have made a difference this summer. Disappointing however that Peter Harte, who was so impressive in the league, was anonymous in the championship games. A re-think required over his role and indeed over Tyrone's overall style of play. Cathal McCarron is another who was excellent in the league but poor when the championship arrived. Positives were the performances of Clarke and McCurry. I suspect another couple of retirements will be in the offing and that Mickey will accelerate the rebuild.
Had to chuckle at the pundits calling Kerry's massed defence "spectacular" and saying that breaking in waves from that massed defence was "all for one and one for all football". Rank hypocrisy.
Well done to Kerry, I have a feeling that the lift they will take from this performance could propell them towards another All-Ireland. That team isn't finished yet and is still capable of beating anybody.
Ah feck I was wrong.
Kerry too good.
Tyrone too bad. As someone said, we need to kick a bit more.
Tyrone are dirty, Kerry are hard hitting.
Galvin man of the match but OMG what an emotional interview by him.
Paul Galvin almost in tears during that interview.
Kerry well worth the win, Tyrone were very poor and the ref was even worse.
I thought Galvin was going to cry there.
Brolly was as much the source of Kerry's fire in their belly I'd guess as anything that went before with Tyrone.
Quote from: sheamy on July 16, 2012, 09:17:17 AM
26 years since Kerry beat Tyrone in the Championship
You only get to say that once ever 128 years. ;D
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Galvin man of the match but OMG what an emotional interview by him.
Absolutely brilliant interview. Will give the squad, esp the younger players, what playing for Kerry means to an experienced, ex footballer of year like Galvin. Will increase their bond no end
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Paul Galvin almost in tears during that interview.
What did he say, thought he had a great game? As did Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy but the latter 2 are very cynical snidey players. Donaghy must be the biggest whingebag playing at the minute.
Disappointing contest. Kerry aren't gone anywhere but Tyrone really poor
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Paul Galvin almost in tears during that interview.
What did he say, thought he had a great game? As did Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy but the latter 2 are very cynical snidey players. Donaghy must be the biggest whingebag playing at the minute.
The hurtful stuff written,talked by the media very disrespectful to Kerry he said.
Declan, why do you say Kerry are going nowhere?
What are you basing that on?
Why can't they cordon a wee area off behind the three boys on the pitch when they are doing the analysis after the match???
I don't need to see/hear a heap of boyos roaring in at the camera
Like 2009 Kerry produced a top performance from nowhere they will be diffcult to stop in the All Ireland series now. Our result last weekend looks worse now i'm just happy we didn't face that resurgent Kerry side.
Disappointing match, i honestly thought it would have been more Competitive. Kerry wer superior in every sector of the pitch.
harsh sending off for mc guigan, but maybe it was a bit of karma, after getting Gregory Mc Cartan sent off after he got hit with a concrete block sorry ball
i would say there will be a clear out of the tyrone panel after that
Mc Connell
Gormley
Mc Menamin
Mc Guigan (again)
O neill (again)
Mulligan
I've put together a tactical analysis piece on this game for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=6008
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Paul Galvin almost in tears during that interview.
What did he say, thought he had a great game? As did Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy but the latter 2 are very cynical snidey players. Donaghy must be the biggest whingebag playing at the minute.
Bad and all as he is wouldn't be as bad as Ricey, sad way for McGuigan to probably finish his Tyrone Career was the player who made them tick over the last ten years
Time for Tyrone to go back to looking for young lads. It will be ten years since the famous break through in 2003 next year. In the modern game 10 years is a long time. Tyrone are at present good enough to easily beat the middle to lower teams, but are getting embarrassing defeats at the business end of the Championship. Today was like a re-run of their defeats of 2009, 2010 and 2011.
There is no shame for the remains of the glory era, they have written themselves into Gaa history as one of the greats, if not the greatest to emerge from Ulster football. They (certainly) owe nothing and now is the time to call an end.
Today was set up for Kerry, they had something to prove, they had home Pitch and the home crowd. They proved they have not gone away. Looking forward to seeing them again especially if it was Donegal!
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
Paul Galvin almost in tears during that interview.
What did he say, thought he had a great game? As did Declan O'Sullivan and Donaghy but the latter 2 are very cynical snidey players. Donaghy must be the biggest whingebag playing at the minute.
Bad and all as he is wouldn't be as bad as Ricey, sad way for McGuigan to probably finish his Tyrone Career was the player who made them tick over the last ten years
zidane did it as well
Well done to Kerry. Completely outclassed us in all sectors. Better defenders, midfielders and attackers. Hungrier. Tyrone haven't really competed since Cork 2009.
Ok...........disappointed but......
1. Beaten by better team on the day. Fair play to Kerry.
2. Not too disheartened. Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill absent & McCurry, Clarke, Colm C, McNamee, Carlin, McCrory, Donnelly x 2 and Harte all enjoying thier first Championship start against Kerry. Will stand to them in the long run
3. This clearly meant a lot more to Kerry than to Tyrone. they celebrated like they won an AI, Galvin in tears etc.......really? for a county that has won so many AI titles, does beating Tyrone in a 3rd round Qualifier mean THAT much? Are we so far under their skin?
4. Mugsy stays on...McCurry off????? A curtain call for Mugsy I would think..no other reason for him to stay on the pitch based on todays performance..
5. As has been pointed out already...Coldrick......possibly the worst intercounty referee out there. How does McGuigan get a straight red for shoving someone in the back (oscar worthy going down TBF) while an assault by Curtin with the forearm on Colm Cavanagh results in a yellow. A scandalous set of decisions on their own merits...never mind in conext..............
Fair play to Kerry though..Tyrone needed the next score after the (lucky) goal...they conceded a green however and that was all she wrote.
Lot of shirt swapping at the end...good respect between the aul hands...end of an era for many I would say.
As my better half said to me during the game...Kerry are the dirtiest team around but get away with it through better PR....
Does McGuigan miss Tyrone Club cship ?
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
Ok...........disappointed but......
1. Beaten by better team on the day. Fair play to Kerry.
2. Not too disheartened. Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill absent & McCurry, Clarke, Colm C, McNamee, Carlin, McCrory, Donnelly x 2 and Harte all enjoying thier first Championship start against Kerry. Will stand to them in the long run
3. This clearly meant a lot more to Kerry than to Tyrone. they celebrated like they won an AI, Galvin in tears etc.......really? for a county that has won so many AI titles, does beating Tyrone in a 3rd round Qualifier mean THAT much? Are we so far under their skin?
4. Mugsy stays on...McCurry off????? A curtain call for Mugsy I would think..no other reason for him to stay on the pitch based on todays performance..
5. As has been pointed out already...Coldrick......possibly the worst intercounty referee out there. How does McGuigan get a straight red for shoving someone in the back (oscar worthy going down TBF) while an assault by Curtin with the forearm on Colm Cavanagh results in a yellow. A scandalous set of decisions on their own merits...never mind in conext..............
Fair play to Kerry though..Tyrone needed the next score after the (lucky) goal...they conceded a green however and that was all she wrote.
Lot of shirt swapping at the end...good respect between the aul hands...end of an era for many I would say.
As my better half said to me during the game...Kerry are the dirtiest team around but get away with it through better PR....
Reason custom wasn't lined was Cavanagh got straight up after it. O'sullivan lay lifeless after being shouldered In The back.
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2012, 07:46:33 PM
Well done to Kerry. Completely outclassed us in all sectors. Better defenders, midfielders and attackers. Hungrier. Tyrone haven't really competed since Cork 2009.
yeah, agree with all that but coldrick is still a cnut. how does curtin not get a straight a red card at the end?
both incidents were yellows,
Bad result for Tyrone but no shame in losing to a team like Kerry. There are still some positives from the game. There is a lot for Mickey to work with over the next few years.
Crap game. Didn't think Kerry still had as much in them. Also didn't think Tyrone had fallen quite as far, although O'Neill probably has it right when he says that they haven't really competed with the big boys for three or four seasons now. Harte has a mountain of work ahead of him, not much there to indicate that Tyrone's new crop measure up to what they are replacing.
In a game riddled with cynicism, Conor Gormley excelled himself once more. Out of Coldrick's many errors, his biggest was not lining that individual.
Fair play Kerry, far the better team. Probably wouldn't have mattered what we did today. Too many players injured, and some of those who were on were coming back from injury themselves and didn't look up to the pace. But why did we persist with long kick outs to the middle of the field. Kerry were cleaning them up and getting a lot of scores from it.
Quote. both incidents were yellows,
If you think smashing a forearm into a players face is a yellow card offence you really need to read the rules of the game.
I hate referees.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2012, 08:52:06 PM
Quote. both incidents were yellows,
If you think smashing a forearm into a players face is a yellow card offence you really need to read the rules of the game.
What about smashing a forearm into the back of someones head which is what gormley did to gooch in the first half. He def should have had a straight red for that when instead he didnt even get a 2nd yellow.
Only one point from play from the Tyrone forward line today.
Only one team interested in, or capable of, playing football there today.
I don't think anyone from Kerry expected Curtin to stay on the field after a daft clothes-line of a challenge. Ref got that wrong, no argument.
On the other hand I think Gormley had a couple of opportunities for a second yellow and I still think that grabbing a fellow by the throat at least deserved a hop ball.
As for the sending off, from such an experienced player it was daft.
While the ref's performance might annoy many I think it made minimal difference. Whether this is to Kerry what Armagh meant in 2006 or Dublin in 2009, we'll see, but we'll enjoy tonight all the same.
Kudos to Mickey Harte when interviewed at the end. Considering all the turmoil in that man's life at the moment he was most dignified, as usual.
Quit yappin about Curtin not getting a red - wouldn't have made a button of difference. Mcmenamin had Gooch by the throat straight in front of the ref and Gormley deserved about 5 yellows - leaving knees and elbows in and driving the ball into O'Se's ribs - feckin embarrassed himself.
I thought it was a dirty game, with both sides as bad as the other. In the football stakes Kerry destroyed Tyrone, absolutely took them to the cleaners. A well deserved victory. Going forward Donegal are the only team in Ulster who will be able to stand up to the big three (Cork Dublin Kerry) in my opinion.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
Ok...........disappointed but......
1. Beaten by better team on the day. Fair play to Kerry.
2. Not too disheartened. Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill absent & McCurry, Clarke, Colm C, McNamee, Carlin, McCrory, Donnelly x 2 and Harte all enjoying thier first Championship start against Kerry. Will stand to them in the long run
3. This clearly meant a lot more to Kerry than to Tyrone. they celebrated like they won an AI, Galvin in tears etc.......really? for a county that has won so many AI titles, does beating Tyrone in a 3rd round Qualifier mean THAT much? Are we so far under their skin?
4. Mugsy stays on...McCurry off????? A curtain call for Mugsy I would think..no other reason for him to stay on the pitch based on todays performance..
5. As has been pointed out already...Coldrick......possibly the worst intercounty referee out there. How does McGuigan get a straight red for shoving someone in the back (oscar worthy going down TBF) while an assault by Curtin with the forearm on Colm Cavanagh results in a yellow. A scandalous set of decisions on their own merits...never mind in conext..............
Fair play to Kerry though..Tyrone needed the next score after the (lucky) goal...they conceded a green however and that was all she wrote.
Lot of shirt swapping at the end...good respect between the aul hands...end of an era for many I would say.
As my better half said to me during the game...Kerry are the dirtiest team around but get away with it through better PR....
A "shove" on the one hand and an "assault" on the other! No blinkers here! :D
And yes, Curtin should have went if McGuigan did, but the ref gets only one look at it from whatever line of sight he has, so apart from retrospective punishment or exoneration, what can you do?
Felt for Tyrone in this one, hats off to kerry thought they played some great football, however I have a feeling that was there all ireland today, they celebrated like it was.......................galvin cooper and donaghy showing their lack of class after the game with their over the top celebrations, a pack off classless baboons
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 21, 2012, 09:48:50 PM.galvin cooper and donaghy showing their lack of class after the game with their over the top celebrations, a pack off classless baboons
The Dubs would never do that of course ::)
Quote from: J70 on July 21, 2012, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
Ok...........disappointed but......
1. Beaten by better team on the day. Fair play to Kerry.
2. Not too disheartened. Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill absent & McCurry, Clarke, Colm C, McNamee, Carlin, McCrory, Donnelly x 2 and Harte all enjoying thier first Championship start against Kerry. Will stand to them in the long run
3. This clearly meant a lot more to Kerry than to Tyrone. they celebrated like they won an AI, Galvin in tears etc.......really? for a county that has won so many AI titles, does beating Tyrone in a 3rd round Qualifier mean THAT much? Are we so far under their skin?
4. Mugsy stays on...McCurry off????? A curtain call for Mugsy I would think..no other reason for him to stay on the pitch based on todays performance..
5. As has been pointed out already...Coldrick......possibly the worst intercounty referee out there. How does McGuigan get a straight red for shoving someone in the back (oscar worthy going down TBF) while an assault by Curtin with the forearm on Colm Cavanagh results in a yellow. A scandalous set of decisions on their own merits...never mind in conext..............
Fair play to Kerry though..Tyrone needed the next score after the (lucky) goal...they conceded a green however and that was all she wrote.
Lot of shirt swapping at the end...good respect between the aul hands...end of an era for many I would say.
As my better half said to me during the game...Kerry are the dirtiest team around but get away with it through better PR....
A "shove" on the one hand and an "assault" on the other! No blinkers here! :D
And yes, Curtin should have went if McGuigan did, but the ref gets only one look at it from whatever line of sight he has, so apart from retrospective punishment or exoneration, what can you do?
Elbows used in both incidents, Curtin's was more dangerous but giving both the line would be defensible by the rulebook.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
I hate referees.
I'm on their backs a lot too wobbler, didn't deserve to be a sending off IMO. What to do with refs though? Pat McEnaney will only back them to the hilt and nobody can criticise any decision refs get wrong at all.
Disappointed with today.
Don't think Kerry are as good as they looked nor Tyrone as bad. I think Tyrone thought that Kerry were feeling the pressure coming into the game and thought they could outfox Kerry. The approach and tactics from Tyrone were totally wrong. They played pretty lethargic and no-one was making any good runs forward. Tyrone didn't show the necessary intensity needed and Kerry took hold of the match.
For once unlike the teams of the past there does not seem to be a cohesive unit, it was like a jigsaw that didn't fit. Tactics haven't worked the last few years against the better teams who keep all the men back in their half. It failed in 2009 and last year I'd be reluctant to say it did in 2010 as we did everything but win. Something new needs to be tried. I think trying big Seán at 6 perhaps could be something to try. We definitely are still missing a big presence around the middle of the field as per usual and worryingly someone to pick up the scraps. We do have decent forwards in Coney, R. O'Neill and McCurry but we need a team.
Things need to shook up and perhaps new voices such as Monroe and Canavan should be brought into the backroom team, though not sure if Canavan would settle for second fiddle.
Don't think either side covered themselves in glory and more players should have seen shown the line, Coldrick seemed to respond to the crowd alot. I'm not sure how far Kerry will go, but I'm not convinced that they'll win sam, maybe a semi...
Was on the road today all day; of all f**king days!!! But listened to great commentry on RTE 1 of Antrim v Tip game.f**king immense!
Managed to get to bar in Donegal for last 10 mins of Kerry game. Curtin should of got red; but about a minute before that challenge Cavanagh came in and gave him a late tackle just at bottom of tv screen, so Curtain was reacting to that I beileve.still a red card though to Curtain.
The midfield finally came back to bite us. Hub Hughes, for all his detractors, was missed out there. As was Dooher for being able to read the ball. As was Jordan for making the correct decisions.
Those players believed they were better than their opponent. We don't have the players.
Clarke looks a find. That's it. McCurry scored a nice point off his left foot off O'Se but you'd need to see more. Not convinced with the rest. Peter Harte had an average championship.
Gooch's celebration at the end said it all.Victory at last over Tyrone or perhaps he was just ecstatic that he got through another game against Tyrone without losing an eye!
Honestly feel Kerry are not getting near the credit they deserve for todays victory, Tyrone were not getting out of Kilarney with a win no matter what they brought with them today.
Kerry played some mighty stuff which seems to be overshadowed by shite talk on referee decisions that would of had no bearing on the game imo.
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 20, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 19, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
FoSB - any chance of Brolly's article? I'll buy you a shandy.
Too kind sir! ;)
Gooch can't choke again
The problem with this Kerry team is that they have always failed when it has really been put up to them.
Pat Spillane is very keen to point out that in the numbers game, they have more All-Irelands than Tyrone. But this disguises the reality that deep down in their bones, Kerry folk have always had doubts about this group.
They are, of course, fine foot- ballers and will retire with trophy cabinets sagging under the weight of gold. But at the very highest level, against serious opposition, they have always wilted.
The first hint that they were not on a par with the Golden Years crop came in 2003 when they collapsed entirely in the face of Tyrone's furi- ous indignation. "Sweet mother of Mikey Sheehy" they wailed in the Kingdom. "They're tackling Darragh O'Se!"
As the game wore on and it be- came plain that this particular Ty- rone team was not going to succumb to stage fright in the face of the green and gold jerseys, it was the Kerry men who gave up. It was a surrender that would have been un- thinkable for O'Dwyer's crew. For the record, Kerry scored a miserable six points and lost by seven.
In 2004, the Team of the Decade beat up a Conor Mortimer-inspired Mayo in the final, spraying cham- pagne midway through the first half after Colm Cooper scored a delight- ful goal having soloed through un- touched by human hand. Funny thing, I haven't seen Colm scoring a delightful goal against Tyrone in Croke Park, or any sort of goal.
Which brings me to another sub- ject that I have been reflecting upon anxiously over the last six months: Is Colm as great as I once- thought he was? The skills are of course peerless. He is magnificent when the Kingdom are beating up on Mayo or the old Cork team. But I am begin- ning to have my doubts.
I watched him closely in this year's club semi-final against Cross- maglen. Crokes went seven points up. He had not contributed. Then, Crossmaglen - against all the odds - began their comeback. Now, I thought to myself, now Cooper will ead them home. I waited, and wait- ed, and waited. In the face of Cross- maglen's furious indignation, the golden boy disappeared.
James Morgan, an aggressive, tight marking and hugely competi- tive corner back with no county ex- perience and aged just 21, utterly dominated him.
An American tourist would never have believed it if you'd told him The Gooch was one of the greats. If howver you'd told him he was a choker, he would have agreed, since that is what Colm did against Cross. As their key man floundered, so did his team mates.
When you think about it, there is a pattern.
When Tyrone put it up to him in 2005 and 2008 he failed. When Dublin put it up to him in last year's final, he failed, leaving it to Donaghy to lead the attack. Think on the other hand of how many times Mikey Sheehy, Bomber Liston or my good friend Pat turned games on their head. No quitters on that team.
In 2003, Tyrone put it up to them and Kerry wilted.
The next year, the Green and Gold were back to beat up Mayo in a one sided cakewalk. Let's be fair about it, they could have thrown their jerseys onto the field and Mayo would have surrendered.
In 2005, Tyrone put it up to them again and again the Kingdom quit after a great start saw them surge clear. It is typical of bullies that when a strong start doesn't deter the opponent, they begin to doubt themselves.
In 2006, hip hip hooray, it was Mayo again. Oh how they laughed in the Kingdom when the news came through on the wireless. Come the day of the final, John Morrison'sprediction that Mayo would be Brazil against Kerry's England prompted a new entry in Private Eye's 'Coleman Balls'. The game was over after fifteen minutes, which is just the way Kerry like it. Star and Gooch ran riot and Pat put another notch in his bed post. A 13 point margin.
In 2007 it was Cork. Again, game over after ten minutes and a cushty 10-point win.
In 2008, Tyrone again. Kerry huffed and puffed for a good while that day. like the Big Bad Wolf they threatened to blow down the Tyrone house.
But like the Big Bad Wolf, they chickened out at the finale. With four minutes to go it was a draw. In the RTE soft seats though, we knew what was coming.
I nudged Patrick with my elbow and said "Hard luck." "F*** off" he said. Tyrone duly reeled off five unanswered points.
In 2009, hip hip hooray, it was Cork again and another one sided canter. By God, the Kerry men were throwing their weight about that day. "Fair play to you Tadgh." they roared in the Kingdom. Why didn't they do that the previous year?
In 2010, Kerry were fazed by the fact that Down were totally unfazed. It was the referee's fault don't you know.
Last year, they were fazed by the fact that Gilroy had discarded the startled earwigs and replaced them with an army of worker ants. Dublin stuck with them for sixty minutes. Again, the bullies yielded.
On Saturday, everything is stacked in the Kingdom's favour. Home venue, everyone fully fit, their destroyer in chief Sean Cavanagh in- jured and a Tyrone team not at the level of its predecessors. Yet Tyrone don't give a damn about their green and gold.
If Kerry can finally stand up and by that I mean all of them, not just Tomas and Marc O'Se, then this could be the path to another All-Ire- land. But far more importantly, it will be the path to self respect.
Something Tyrone have never had to worry about...
i wonder was this hung in Kerrys changing rooms !!
A few observations.
IMHO McGuigan didnt deserve the red, Curtin did.
I had "words" with Wobbler earlier about his opinion on Kerry's cynicism in the tackle which I refuted as I think there is no-one as cynical as Ricey & Gormley among others...I will however admit that Dec O'Sullivan is prone to a wee bit of playacting, Star is a slabber and Galvin really lives on the edge when tackling, even the Gooch is prone to a wile bit of moanin at refs when things arent going his way. But, and it's a big but, the difference today was that that Kerry had maybe half a dozen players on the field today who rank among some of the best footballers in Ireland over the last 10 years and they produced the goods...again....big time. Tyrone had Gormley acting the thug and Ricey looking like a yoke from the ha'penny bridge without his dog.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
Nobody will want to meet them Kerry hoors now with their tails up (apart from us of course)...especially not Cork as they'll scare the shite out of them again outside of their Munster comfort zone.
August will be interesting...
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 21, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
A few observations.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
I thought that too. A total legend.
I can't imagine Kerry being too bothered about what single All Ireland winner Brolly has to say, as I saw written earlier he wouldn't get a mention in the parish newsletter in Kerry but RTE hold him up as an "expert".
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 21, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Disappointed with today.
Don't think Kerry are as good as they looked nor Tyrone as bad. I think Tyrone thought that Kerry were feeling the pressure coming into the game and thought they could outfox Kerry. The approach and tactics from Tyrone were totally wrong. They played pretty lethargic and no-one was making any good runs forward. Tyrone didn't show the necessary intensity needed and Kerry took hold of the match.
For once unlike the teams of the past there does not seem to be a cohesive unit, it was like a jigsaw that didn't fit. Tactics haven't worked the last few years against the better teams who keep all the men back in their half. It failed in 2009 and last year I'd be reluctant to say it did in 2010 as we did everything but win. Something new needs to be tried. I think trying big Seán at 6 perhaps could be something to try. We definitely are still missing a big presence around the middle of the field as per usual and worryingly someone to pick up the scraps. We do have decent forwards in Coney, R. O'Neill and McCurry but we need a team.
Things need to shook up and perhaps new voices such as Monroe and Canavan should be brought into the backroom team, though not sure if Canavan would settle for second fiddle.
Don't think either side covered themselves in glory and more players should have seen shown the line, Coldrick seemed to respond to the crowd alot. I'm not sure how far Kerry will go, but I'm not convinced that they'll win sam, maybe a semi...
If the likes of yourself posted more, this place would be worthy of a lot more attention, good reasoned post. I disagree with you that Kerry "aren't as good as they looked" and don't really know what you mean? We have a decent defence and midfield and a top class forward line IMO and of the 3 main contenders for the All Ireland right now, Cork, Dublin and Donegal, I don't think we have anything to fear really. We know Cork and dublin inside out, Donegal will be a new experience alright, but we have, I think, better kickers of the ball than most teams which may be crucial if we play them.
From a Kerry perspective, we're happy with the win today, but when the dust settles, everyone will realise that we've only won a qualifier and that 2 weeks time in the 1/4 final (hopefully!) will be a huge battle. Some of the players were quite exuberant (overly so, some would argue) at the end..some people have expressed "surprise" at that...but there was huge pressure on them from within AND outside the county...if they lost, a few of them would have to retire with the prospect of having the "never beat Tyrone" line thrown at them for eternity aswell as losing at home and being the first Kerry team in 17 years to be beaten in Killarney in the c/ship, so I can understand the emotion...but they will be brought back to earth with a bang this week I'm sure.
As for today's game...Kerry by far the better team I thought, could have won by more. Tyrone hadn't a stitch of a forward really apart from young McCurry who is a good prospect. Stevie O'Neill obviously wasn't near fit, Mugsy was well contained, Penrose hardly touched the ball and was taken off. Strange to see such an non-effective Tyrone forward line. Coney & Kavanagh are huge losses obviously. Galvin and Donaghy had their best game since last year at least for us..great 2nd half by Donaghy. Most of the team played well, Darran Sull, Curtin and O'Leary made good impact from the bench aswell.
Coldrick really is an appalling ref, it has to be said...I hate criticising refs as they have a thankless job, but today is a good example of all that is wrong with modern refereeing. Guaranteed you will have McEneaney, Bannon and all the referee big-wigs telling us that he had a great game though.
Firstly, this GAA unique tradition of booking 2 people whenever there is an incident is a joke. Coldrick did this at least 4 times today I think. He funked out of a lot of decisions for both sides. Curtin's reckless hit at the end was at least as bad as Mcguigan's to be fair, so why wasn't it red....there was no consistency. Can't believe an experienced guy like Brian would be so silly though. Conor Gormley, on numerous occasions went in with the knee and also likes to catch people by the throat which should be a booking, but it went unpunished. Filthy late tackle on Gooch on the stand side aswell at one stage.
Kerry got a free in the first half when O'Donoghue fell over with nobody near him really. Darran O'Sullivan got a very soft free in the second half....I could go on, and on. Maybe none of the decisions changed the game, but down the line in bigger games they could make a difference, thats the problem.
Anyway, the real championship is underway and I'm just glad we're still there. would expect Kerry, Kildare, Meath and Down to be the 4 qualifiers facing the 4 provincial winners..thats where things will really hot up.
Lastly, fair play to Mickey Harte (and a few of the Tyrone players who we might not see again)...he took his time leaving the field this evening and stopped signing autographs and posing for photographs with people, which given what he and his family have gone through is a remarkable testament to the man's humanity if nothing else. Whether he stays or goes, he has been a brilliant manager and good for Gaelic Football.
Quote from: sheamy on July 21, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 21, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
A few observations.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
I thought that too. A total legend.
What happened
5 hour drive to Kilarney, with the stadium packed with home support was a MAJOR factor in the outcome today. It dosnt take a genius to figure that one out. Not saying that it was the sole reason Kerry won today, but it certainly drove them on. Would be interesting to see how the match would have panned out in croke park, or even healy park.
Kerry operated the blanket defence today. Even more so than Tyrone. Not necessarily a bad thing though, as Im not dead against it. I just look forward to how Spillane will analyse it.
Declan O'sullivan is different gravy. Man of the match today by a mile. Probably the best ball carrier at pace throughout the country and has been for many years. His scores today were also superb.
Also thought Galvins interview was epic.
Could write an essay on the Ref, timing of the goals, celebrations and nasty fouls but wont. The above was the main points that I wanted to get of my chest. Still think Cork will be AIC come september.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 21, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2012, 07:47:53 PM
Ok...........disappointed but......
1. Beaten by better team on the day. Fair play to Kerry.
2. Not too disheartened. Cavanagh, Coney and O'Neill absent & McCurry, Clarke, Colm C, McNamee, Carlin, McCrory, Donnelly x 2 and Harte all enjoying thier first Championship start against Kerry. Will stand to them in the long run
3. This clearly meant a lot more to Kerry than to Tyrone. they celebrated like they won an AI, Galvin in tears etc.......really? for a county that has won so many AI titles, does beating Tyrone in a 3rd round Qualifier mean THAT much? Are we so far under their skin?
4. Mugsy stays on...McCurry off????? A curtain call for Mugsy I would think..no other reason for him to stay on the pitch based on todays performance..
5. As has been pointed out already...Coldrick......possibly the worst intercounty referee out there. How does McGuigan get a straight red for shoving someone in the back (oscar worthy going down TBF) while an assault by Curtin with the forearm on Colm Cavanagh results in a yellow. A scandalous set of decisions on their own merits...never mind in conext..............
Fair play to Kerry though..Tyrone needed the next score after the (lucky) goal...they conceded a green however and that was all she wrote.
Lot of shirt swapping at the end...good respect between the aul hands...end of an era for many I would say.
As my better half said to me during the game...Kerry are the dirtiest team around but get away with it through better PR....
Reason custom wasn't lined was Cavanagh got straight up after it. O'sullivan lay lifeless after being shouldered In The back.
You can see how a handbag could have floored him alright.
Quote from: seanog on July 21, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
With the exception of Cooper, they'll all look their age again when put into battle in Croke. This Kerry team is going nowhere.
Yep Kerry looked good today. But with home advantage and a very helpful referee, this should always have happened. Today they beat a Division II side who were missing their best player.
5 Sams, to he honest, I'm still struggling to give Kerry credit today. Their tactics were shamelessly filthy. In the Tyrone side you can easily handpick the two players of that ilk. You can't do this with Kerry, where every one of them is guilty of systematic fouling, third man tackles, diving, and afters.
For all the abuse Donegal get about being Anti Football, at least they aim to tackle legitimately. Kerry don't, they just want to stop counter attacks before they gain pace, and don't care how.
This is what was most frustrating for me about the sending off. I've no time for what McGuigan did, but O Sullivan committed three deliberate fouls - dragging McGuigan to the ground to stop him gaining momentum, stepping in front of him to prevent him gaining any advantage, then unsporting play acting when McGuigan retaliated - but Tyrone lost out. There is a fundamental problem with our game if cheating can be rewarded as such.
I hate referees.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 21, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
If the likes of yourself posted more, this place would be worthy of a lot more attention, good reasoned post. I disagree with you that Kerry "aren't as good as they looked" and don't really know what you mean? We have a decent defence and midfield and a top class forward line IMO and of the 3 main contenders for the All Ireland right now, Cork, Dublin and Donegal, I don't think we have anything to fear really. We know Cork and dublin inside out, Donegal will be a new experience alright, but we have, I think, better kickers of the ball than most teams which may be crucial if we play them.
have expressed "surprise" at that...but there was huge pressure on them from within AND outside the county...if they lost, a few of them would have to retire with the prospect of having the "never beat
Coldrick really is an appalling ref, it has to be said...I hate criticising refs as they have a thankless job, but today is a good example of all that is wrong with modern refereeing. Guaranteed you will have McEneaney, Bannon and all the referee big-wigs telling us that he had a great game though.
Firstly, this GAA unique tradition of booking 2 people whenever there is an incident is a joke. Coldrick did this at least 4 times today I think. He funked out of a lot of decisions for both sides. Curtin's reckless hit at the end was at least as bad as Mcguigan's to be fair, so why wasn't it red....there was no consistency. Can't believe an experienced guy like Brian would be so silly though. Conor Gormley, on numerous occasions went in with the knee and also likes to catch people by the throat which should be a booking, but it went unpunished. Filthy late tackle on Gooch on the stand side aswell at one
That's just balls. When did Gormley go in numerous times with the knee? Gooch was acting the bollox that time. Was well enough to take the free.
Fair play to Kerry-were just the hungrier team. This was always going to be a tough oul game to ref but jaysus yer man was awful from the start. As for the umpires, when are these guys going to start calling things that happen right in front of their eyes. Tyrone player held up in a rugby hold under a high ball right in front of umpire near the end.
My first trip to the beautifully backdropped Fitzgerald stadium on what was a perfect day for football. The noise and support from the Kerry fans was frighteningly electric-great to experience. There were the self-righteous mumblings about how cynical Tyrone are from the off-jaysus they really hate us! But thankfully I was plonked beside friendly old sort from Castlemaine who I could have chatted to all day.
At half time I was happy enough-Tyrone got off the hook and felt that we could get back into it. Tyrone made the mistake of getting involved in too many scuffles off the ball-no doubt a tactic implored by Kerry that the Tyrone boys fell for, hook, line and sinker. It definitely knocked a few of them off their stride. Apart from this, I felt that we needed Stevie O'Neill at his best to counter the threat of Gooch and Stevie showed well when he came on. In the first half Kerry were putting in hard but fair hits and Tyrone weren't. Tyrone stepped this aspect of their game up a bit in the second half, however I felt that Kerry were getting away with a lot of cynical high tackles as Tyrone laboured their way out of defence. This really killed Tyrone as it seems to be their only way of playing- breaking the first tackle and passing off.
That said, Kerry were just the hungrier team, bouyed on by magnificant home support and popping over some great points. Just a pity the ref couldn't have got a grip on the game from the start. He seemed to give free after free to Kerry towards the end for nothing, while missing dangerous tackles at the other end. That's how it seemed at the match. A few Kerry lads behind me reckoned he was becoming heavily influenced by the crowd-that can happen. Kerry would have won but not by that much.
Enjoyed the day-hated the result
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: seanog on July 21, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
With the exception of Cooper, they'll all look their age again when put into battle in Croke. This Kerry team is going nowhere.
Yep Kerry looked good today. But with home advantage and a very helpful referee, this should always have happened. Today they beat a Division II side who were missing their best player.
5 Sams, to he honest, I'm still struggling to give Kerry credit today. Their tactics were shamelessly filthy. In the Tyrone side you can easily handpick the two players of that ilk. You can't do this with Kerry, where every one of them is guilty of systematic fouling, third man tackles, diving, and afters.
For all the abuse Donegal get about being Anti Football, at least they aim to tackle legitimately. Kerry don't, they just want to stop counter attacks before they gain pace, and don't care how.
This is what was most frustrating for me about the sending off. I've no time for what McGuigan did, but O Sullivan committed three deliberate fouls - dragging McGuigan to the ground to stop him gaining momentum, stepping in front of him to prevent him gaining any advantage, then unsporting play acting when McGuigan retaliated - but Tyrone lost out. There is a fundamental problem with our game if cheating can be rewarded as such.
I hate referees.
Thats BS, BMG grabbed his arm and pulled him to the groun to buy a free. He's been doing it for years!
An awful performance from Tyrone today and made from of realise that we aren't in the upper tier of All-Ireland contenders anymore. Kerry completely outclassed Tyrone all over the pitch today and we never looked like winning from the get go.
It was a horrible game to watch, the ref made a complete hash of the game. Some awful decisions by him to give and not give cards to players, on both sides.
Tyrone have a lot of work to do over the next 2-3 years, if they want to be serious contenders again, but that will require a lot of retirements this summer and for new, younger players to come forward.
Congratulations Kerry, a real master class today and a reality check for us.
As far as Gormley is concerned Tyrone weren't putting in the hits at all in the first half and were getting nailed all over the place so it was good to see him stepping up. That tackle on Gooch happened just in front of me and was blown out of all proportion by the crowd who were baying for blood every time a Kerryman got a shoulder. Gooch miraculously sprung to his feet two minutes later.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: seanog on July 21, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
With the exception of Cooper, they'll all look their age again when put into battle in Croke. This Kerry team is going nowhere.
Yep Kerry looked good today. But with home advantage and a very helpful referee, this should always have happened. Today they beat a Division II side who were missing their best player.
5 Sams, to he honest, I'm still struggling to give Kerry credit today. Their tactics were shamelessly filthy. In the Tyrone side you can easily handpick the two players of that ilk. You can't do this with Kerry, where every one of them is guilty of systematic fouling, third man tackles, diving, and afters.
For all the abuse Donegal get about being Anti Football, at least they aim to tackle legitimately. Kerry don't, they just want to stop counter attacks before they gain pace, and don't care how.
This is what was most frustrating for me about the sending off. I've no time for what McGuigan did, but O Sullivan committed three deliberate fouls - dragging McGuigan to the ground to stop him gaining momentum, stepping in front of him to prevent him gaining any advantage, then unsporting play acting when McGuigan retaliated - but Tyrone lost out. There is a fundamental problem with our game if cheating can be rewarded as such.
I hate referees.
yep, yer woman from derrytresk didnt hit him hard enough with that handbag.
Woobler and O'Neill, just cop on! Watch the match again without your rose coloured glasses on!! Take your beating!! If you were really watching the match today you would have seen who were the instigators of most of the off the ball instances, but as we can see you were not there!!! Those of us who were at the match, it was embarrassing for the real Tyrone supporters when their players couldn't do the job and resorted to their thuggery as usual.
That aside well done to Kerry today, they showed what they are made of and played Tyrone at their own game and they couldn't deal with it!!
And to finish with you all have no idea how to lose with dignity!!!!
The Tyrone team finished today with dignity, Micky Harte gave a very good after match interview! You could all do with a little dose of what they have.
Ciarraí abú
Yeah Wobbler you Tyrone cnut take yer beatin.
Quote from: brogin41 on July 21, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
Woobler and O'Neill, just cop on! Watch the match again without your rose coloured glasses on!! Take your beating!! If you were really watching the match today you would have seen who were the instigators of most of the off the ball instances, but as we can see you were not there!!! Those of us who were at the match, it was embarrassing for the real Tyrone supporters when their players couldn't do the job and resorted to their thuggery as usual.
That aside well done to Kerry today, they showed what they are made of and played Tyrone at their own game and they couldn't deal with it!!
And to finish with you all have no idea how to lose with dignity!!!!
The Tyrone team finished today with dignity, Micky Harte gave a very good after match interview! You could all do with a little dose of what they have.
Ciarraí abú
What are you referring to in particular? Wobbler is a Tyrone fanatic so ignore him.
Firstly I'd like to say congrats to Kerry. Best team won, of that's there's no doubt. I could make excuses about the ref and the sendings off but that would be disrespective to Kerry. But if u will allow me one rant.....that feckin ex mayo player summerising on tv 3, was so poor it was actualły embarrassing.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: seanog on July 21, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
With the exception of Cooper, they'll all look their age again when put into battle in Croke. This Kerry team is going nowhere.
Yep Kerry looked good today. But with home advantage and a very helpful referee, this should always have happened. Today they beat a Division II side who were missing their best player.
5 Sams, to he honest, I'm still struggling to give Kerry credit today. Their tactics were shamelessly filthy. In the Tyrone side you can easily handpick the two players of that ilk. You can't do this with Kerry, where every one of them is guilty of systematic fouling, third man tackles, diving, and afters.
For all the abuse Donegal get about being Anti Football, at least they aim to tackle legitimately. Kerry don't, they just want to stop counter attacks before they gain pace, and don't care how.
This is what was most frustrating for me about the sending off. I've no time for what McGuigan did, but O Sullivan committed three deliberate fouls - dragging McGuigan to the ground to stop him gaining momentum, stepping in front of him to prevent him gaining any advantage, then unsporting play acting when McGuigan retaliated - but Tyrone lost out. There is a fundamental problem with our game if cheating can be rewarded as such.
I hate referees.
I am an ulster man and I was cheering Tyrone today but for f**k sake its a bit rich to be whinging about Kerry doing the cynical fouls when for years Tyrone were one of the masters of it. Ye were hammered today by a team that were just better, much better. For Christ sake Tyrone struggled to get within 30 meters of the Kerry posts in the 2nd half. Ref wasn't great but there was a lot of shit going on from both teams and at the end of the day his decisions didn't cost anyone the match.
Quote from: RandyDupree on July 21, 2012, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: seanog on July 21, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Galvin was superb, Cooper was class, Donaghy was effective, Kerry midfield was dominant, Declan played a stormer, hardly any of this gets a mention with a lot of people, o se s were class as per.
With the exception of Cooper, they'll all look their age again when put into battle in Croke. This Kerry team is going nowhere.
Yep Kerry looked good today. But with home advantage and a very helpful referee, this should always have happened. Today they beat a Division II side who were missing their best player.
5 Sams, to he honest, I'm still struggling to give Kerry credit today. Their tactics were shamelessly filthy. In the Tyrone side you can easily handpick the two players of that ilk. You can't do this with Kerry, where every one of them is guilty of systematic fouling, third man tackles, diving, and afters.
For all the abuse Donegal get about being Anti Football, at least they aim to tackle legitimately. Kerry don't, they just want to stop counter attacks before they gain pace, and don't care how.
This is what was most frustrating for me about the sending off. I've no time for what McGuigan did, but O Sullivan committed three deliberate fouls - dragging McGuigan to the ground to stop him gaining momentum, stepping in front of him to prevent him gaining any advantage, then unsporting play acting when McGuigan retaliated - but Tyrone lost out. There is a fundamental problem with our game if cheating can be rewarded as such.
I hate referees.
Thats BS, BMG grabbed his arm and pulled him to the groun to buy a free. He's been doing it for years!
This is true.
Jeez wobbler you're the worst Tyrone fan, take your beatings :P
And I thought the Roscommon-Mayo threads got frisky.
when push has came to shove we have been hammered now three years in a row maybe we just aint good enough anymore losing quality players the last 4 years and the new guard just not up too the task.
Jaysus Wobbs even the Tyrone people are disagreeing with you..
I don't think Marc Ó Sé gave away one free, nor Eoin Brosnan, nor Tomás. I dont disagree that some of their half forwards can be a bit naughty...but..jaysus they can play football like no one else in Ireland.
Quote from: bigtogs on July 22, 2012, 12:01:13 AM
when push has came to shove we have been hammered now three years in a row maybe we just aint good enough anymore losing quality players the last 4 years and the new guard just not up too the task.
would probably agree with that.
does peter harte only perform against the diddy teams?
Quote from: clarshack on July 22, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: bigtogs on July 22, 2012, 12:01:13 AM
when push has came to shove we have been hammered now three years in a row maybe we just aint good enough anymore losing quality players the last 4 years and the new guard just not up too the task.
would probably agree with that.
does peter harte only perform against the diddy teams?
could be the case jury well and truly out on him time will tell, where an under god did thon boy mc namee come for does does not even look like a footballer
HA HA HA HA! pack of feckin sore losers! Go and shove that red hand where the sun don't shine.
Not to labour on the Kerry fouling, but from my terrace vantage-point I could see clearly the sustained tactic of fouling the Tyrone corner back/half backs whilst in possession. Different player each time, no player on a yellow did it twice. 100% didn't affect the result but a deliberate & unexpected tactic from the home team.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.... bye bye Brian McGuigan
Yep, was that the water firing guy?
Not long in the door. Left this morning at 9. 500 odd mile for that. Tyrone weren't at the races.
Haven't read through the thread but it was a brutal display from Tyrone. Dominated at midfield and not a forward showed. It really wasn't fair on Ronan McNamee to throw him into that match without every having played a minute of county football this year senior or under 21.
Management have to take a fair share of the blame for that display and some players need a long hard look at themselves.
As for Kerry they were impressive and deserved to win. Should really have been out of sight at half time. I still can't see them figuring in the All Ireland reckoning. They'll never get a day were they are given that much possession at midfield.
Right off to bed. Might sleep for a week.
First of all congrats to Kerry, some big players were insulted in/by the media and motivation was high - disgrace that it happened,however the tactics of O Sullivan and Cooper need further examination by the pundits. I felt Tyrone needed to get beat by Kerry some time and I knew they wouldn't go much further so this year is as good a year as any I feel. Takes the pressure off both teams for a next meeting. The game was a one off that had more in common with the tough league game in 2009 in Omagh than any of the 3 all ireland games. Tyrone finished with so many guys that are over the hill, great servants that they have been, but they just don't know when to go and Mickey has been very loyal to them. I felt it was wrong to start young mc curry, it gave kerry the chance to work him out at a non critical time of the game. The aghyaran lad starting defied belief. Penrose and Harte confirmed that they are great division 2 league footballers. I feel mickey should call a halt to the early season media stuff by pur players. No more talking till they deliver. VMidfield and breaking ball specialists were non existent. This Tyrone team were well trained, as fit as they could be and were missing key talents but it dosent excuse another shocking exit performance. The Tyrone management and players are burned out and now take a deserved break, for many its over.
Quote from: sheamy on July 21, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 21, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
A few observations.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
I thought that too. A total legend.
What did Gormley do to Tomás lads? Missed that. Also, those on the terrace side might have noticed McMenamin come over near the fence and have "words" with a Kerry supporter during the Tyrone warm-up..don't know what the hell he was at!
They stop serving fierce early in Killarney.
Anyways. We were played off the park. Outclassed all over and had no real 'plan b'.
But no matter where u are from, Mickey Harte is a man who you can only admire and the Kerry supporters did just that. He was swarmed by them after the final whistle and stayed on the field signing jerseys and posing for pics. Long after he prob should have.
Felt very isolated on the stand. The Kerry crowd were more hostile than I thought. We were as welcome as tyrone supporters on the Shankill. All we can hope for (after a win for the minors tomorrow) is that some serious changes are made.
And when were Tyrone last beaten by 10 points? Must be years ago.
Quote from: maggie on July 22, 2012, 01:48:06 AM
They stop serving fierce early in Killarney.
Anyways. We were played off the park. Outclassed all over and had no real 'plan b'.
But no matter where u are from, Mickey Harte is a man who you can only admire and the Kerry supporters did just that. He was swarmed by them after the final whistle and stayed on the field signing jerseys and posing for pics. Long after he prob should have.
Felt very isolated on the stand. The Kerry crowd were more hostile than I thought. We were as welcome as tyrone supporters on the Shankill. All we can hope for (after a win for the minors tomorrow) is that some serious changes are made.
I couldn't disagree with you there. I've never heard the kind of abuse anywhere else in Ireland that we got today from a sizeable minority of Kerry 'fans'. If the game had been in Omagh the one's doing the mouthing wouldn't have been near it
Quote from: barelegs on July 22, 2012, 02:19:27 AM
Quote from: maggie on July 22, 2012, 01:48:06 AM
They stop serving fierce early in Killarney.
Anyways. We were played off the park. Outclassed all over and had no real 'plan b'.
But no matter where u are from, Mickey Harte is a man who you can only admire and the Kerry supporters did just that. He was swarmed by them after the final whistle and stayed on the field signing jerseys and posing for pics. Long after he prob should have.
Felt very isolated on the stand. The Kerry crowd were more hostile than I thought. We were as welcome as tyrone supporters on the Shankill. All we can hope for (after a win for the minors tomorrow) is that some serious changes are made.
I couldn't disagree with you there. I've never heard the kind of abuse anywhere else in Ireland that we got today from a sizeable minority of Kerry 'fans'. If the game had been in Omagh the one's doing the mouthing wouldn't have been near it
So we're far more welcoming our Wesht, right? Score one for the Rossies? Eh?? Eh??
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 22, 2012, 02:06:49 AM
And when were Tyrone last beaten by 10 points? Must be years ago.
Probably 1997. Derry 2-15 Tyrone 2-3. Or something similar. And who could forget Armagh 5-9 Tyrone 1-9 in 1987? ;D
Quote from: barelegs on July 22, 2012, 02:19:27 AM
I couldn't disagree with you there. I've never heard the kind of abuse anywhere else in Ireland that we got today from a sizeable minority of Kerry 'fans'. If the game had been in Omagh the one's doing the mouthing wouldn't have been near it
I've witnessed it myself, and it was shocking to be honest. Paidi was spot on.
Tyrone's first free set the tone for me.........Joe McMahon kicking a 35 m free from the right hand side, using the outside of his boot!!! Unbelievable that not one of our 6 forwards were able.........
Peter Harte always looks "timid", f**k it, I know he is probably getting pulled and dragged ( a la Finnian Moriarty) , , but FFS I would nearly rather he would just turn around and bury someone with a box! ( Stupid as that seems), just to light a spark in him!
NONE of our forwards can win there own ball, and as said on here numerous times, it beggars belief that we CONTINUOSLY run the ball up blind alleys , and into the tackle? How many times today did we break out of the half back line, cross midfield and then......not have a f**king clue what we were going to do next. The blame for this must rest squarely on the shoulders of Messrs Harte and Donnelly. The lack of a "plan B" was alarming.
TBH injuries have crippled us this year, and no doubt this is a side very much in transition. However, none of our newer players, ( P Harte, Mc Carron, Sean O'Neill etc) seem to have much of an edge to them. Tyrone in their pomp circa 2005 would have eaten ya without salt, not the case any more. Even Canavan was a hateful wee f**ker, and loved the tough games :o
Basketball style "team sanctions" need brought in , to end this cynical fouling, that is now the norm in high profile games.
X amount of "team" fouls per 35 mins , after that each one should automatically result in a 21 yard free, and players can "foul out" after say x amount of personal fouls??
Quote from: cadhlancian on July 22, 2012, 06:58:58 AM
Tyrone's first free set the tone for me.........Joe McMahon kicking a 35 m free from the right hand side, using the outside of his boot!!! Unbelievable that not one of our 6 forwards were able.........
Peter Harte always looks "timid", f**k it, I know he is probably getting pulled and dragged ( a la Finnian Moriarty) , , but FFS I would nearly rather he would just turn around and bury someone with a box! ( Stupid as that seems), just to light a spark in him!
NONE of our forwards can win there own ball, and as said on here numerous times, it beggars belief that we CONTINUOSLY run the ball up blind alleys , and into the tackle? How many times today did we break out of the half back line, cross midfield and then......not have a f**king clue what we were going to do next. The blame for this must rest squarely on the shoulders of Messrs Harte and Donnelly. The lack of a "plan B" was alarming.
TBH injuries have crippled us this year, and no doubt this is a side very much in transition. However, none of our newer players, ( P Harte, Mc Carron, Sean O'Neill etc) seem to have much of an edge to them. Tyrone in their pomp circa 2005 would have eaten ya without salt, not the case any more. Even Canavan was a hateful wee f**ker, and loved the tough games :o
Basketball style "team sanctions" need brought in , to end this cynical fouling, that is now the norm in high profile games.
X amount of "team" fouls per 35 mins , after that each one should automatically result in a 21 yard free, and players can "foul out" after say x amount of personal fouls??
Somehow I can't see that being a runner.
Completely outclassed yesterday and can have no complaints on the football side at all. The lack of having someone with the balls to shoot outside 30 yards killed us. There were umpteen opportunities but we turned back out into tackles, misplaced passes or went for the shot that invariably dropped wide/short. Coney and Sean would have helped in this regard.
This will have been the swan song for the vast majority of the 03/05/08 AI winning teams, a pity to go out on a game like this but those guys can hold their heads up high as they have brought us so many highs that lows like yesterday will soon be forgotten. Pity some of the cynicism was a notch too high, from both teams I might add.
Anyway, last word to Mickey Harte, a legend of a man with more dignity, strength and good grace than a hundred others.
Final final last word, Coldrick is sh*te.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 22, 2012, 01:24:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on July 21, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 21, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
A few observations.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
I thought that too. A total legend.
What did Gormley do to Tomás lads? Missed that. Also, those on the terrace side might have noticed McMenamin come over near the fence and have "words" with a Kerry supporter during the Tyrone warm-up..don't know what the hell he was at!
After the goal he kind of thumped thomas o 'se with the ball in the stomach not a lot in it. For me it was a brutul match to watch so much cynical fouling just didn't enjoy it .Thought declan o'sullivan was superb yesterday back to his best.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 22, 2012, 01:24:46 AM
Quote from: sheamy on July 21, 2012, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 21, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
A few observations.
I honestly don't know how Tomás bit his tongue when Gormley did what he did.
I thought that too. A total legend.
What did Gormley do to Tomás lads? Missed that. Also, those on the terrace side might have noticed McMenamin come over near the fence and have "words" with a Kerry supporter during the Tyrone warm-up..don't know what the hell he was at!
when tyrone got the goal, gormley ended up in the net with with the ball. he picked the ball up and drove it into Tomas guts, as someone has already said he could have had 5 yellows throughout the game. as for Mc menamin he just showed up yesterday what he really is,
Quote from: sizzler on July 21, 2012, 11:42:51 PM
Firstly I'd like to say congrats to Kerry. Best team won, of that's there's no doubt. I could make excuses about the ref and the sendings off but that would be disrespective to Kerry. But if u will allow me one rant.....that feckin ex mayo player summerising on tv 3, was so poor it was actualły embarrassing.
Can't blame brady this time ;D . It was Kerry favourite Liam Hayes that was co commentating and i concur he was brutul.
Games over lads, leave it, we could talk about o sully, goofy etc but we were beat by the better team on the day. Let's not make bad losers out of ourselves. Kerry were at home and if we had been in their position we would not have let ourselves be beaten in the same situation they were in, so fair play to them, they done everything they had to do. Let's go for the minors!
One thing I'll say about Kerry. They do make deliciously good butter.
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
Donaghy's reaction to scoring a couple of points off a 19-year-old rookie was a bit manic. Imagine the Bomber doing that.
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
Leave it, it's over, take yer disappointment on the chin.
Quote from: ONeill on July 22, 2012, 09:05:50 AM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
Donaghy's reaction to scoring a couple of points off a 19-year-old rookie was a bit manic. Imagine the Bomber doing that.
I'd say it was more a release of built up frustration o' neill . He has had a bad season to date but yesterday he played well.
Quote from: brogin41 on July 21, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
Woobler and O'Neill, just cop on! Watch the match again without your rose coloured glasses on!! Take your beating!! If you were really watching the match today you would have seen who were the instigators of most of the off the ball instances, but as we can see you were not there!!! Those of us who were at the match, it was embarrassing for the real Tyrone supporters when their players couldn't do the job and resorted to their thuggery as usual.
That aside well done to Kerry today, they showed what they are made of and played Tyrone at their own game and they couldn't deal with it!!
And to finish with you all have no idea how to lose with dignity!!!!
The Tyrone team finished today with dignity, Micky Harte gave a very good after match interview! You could all do with a little dose of what they have.
Ciarraí abú
Jaysus, things move slowly in Kerry-I heard that phrase several times in the crowd yesterday and thought I had been teleported back to 2003-has time stood still for Kerry since? Either that or ye take Everything that Spillane says as gospel. Tyrone have been very disciplined of late. I was at the game and I was proud of the effort of the Tyrone players against a cynical but better Kerry team and a scary crowd. They just weren't good enough on the day.
Cynicism does not suit this Tyrone team as they showed what they can do when they play football against Armagh and Roscommon so it was foolish to get drawn into it.
I would fancy Kerry to go all the way now that the monkey is gone!
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Coldrick is a shit referee.
Coldrick made mistakes, but given the standard of refereeing in general (influenced in a large part by how hard it is to referee a lot of these games) around today, I thought he did try to use commonsense. It may have deserted him when giving mcguigan a red card (a ticking would probably have done, mebbe a yellow) but conor gormley was on the edge for a long time and could easily have walked, ricey had a player by the throat and also could (should?) have went.
In relation to the basketball style sanctions, its amusing imo to see a tyrone man calling for those particular ones. I'm not sure how workable any of it would be (probably not at all), but I always thought it was great in basketball that if you were fouled but scored anyway, you got the score and your free. If there was some variation of that that could be introduced it would basically be a reward for staying on your feet, and cut out any going down easily etc. Probably unworkable, but just musing...
Interesting that Coldrick was the ref in all 3 of Tyrone's defeats in 2012.
We had 2 men with 30 minutes inter county football behind them starting yesterday a sure sign Harte recognised the problems. I'd imagine next year if tyrone are serious about winning an all ireland you will not see o Neill, mulligan, gormley, mc menamin, cavanagh, Cassidy, Harte, pen rose, donnelly, Carlin and a few others near the first 15. Needs a whole new start with bigger, more athletic harder working and better players. We have enough leaders to restart the revolution in mc mahon x 2, big Sean, Clarke. To me the big disappointment has been petie who needs to find a position or will slide into obscurity. Too much hype at the start of the year. But we will rebuild, I expect to see the form players in this years club championship taken on board, a raft of retirements also. The players have done their bit, but need to be honest with themselves. Yesterday was nowhere near the 2003 team in terms of talent, so we needed to work harder and we hardly went for a break ball so that says it all.
The worst torture I have suffered watching a television in a pub for a long time. Foot = Ball? Football my arse, supporters who travelled from Tyrone should have got their money back. You would think from some of the comments on here that it was a titanic battle betwen players whereas it was nothing short of a game of basketball and it wasn't even that because it was played for a large part across the filed as opposed to end to end. Then we had the 'Olay' soccer chant when a team held possesion, a big lanky Kerry forward standing in the square to dunk the ball in the net and then go absolutely wild like said soccer player when he scored a point that Brian Cowen would have scored. It's not often I go to the pub for a pint on a Saturday to sit down and watch a game of football as I have zero interest in soccer but by jesus I'll say this, it is the last time I will go to watch a game of Gaelic Football. It should be banned from TV altogether and they should only show hurling with the Minor and U21 matches on one week and the AI Championship on the next.
Good man Bud. That's the spirit!
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http://www.balls.ie/2012/07/21/the-paul-galvin-post-match-interview/
best team won no doubt but worst referring performance in living memory. he should not get another game this year. did jack oconnor have photos of him in compromising positions?
Fair play to Galvin his honesty shines through, from a Tyrone perspective we mustn't let them beat us in Croke park going forward. They would love that.
Quote from: under the bar on July 22, 2012, 11:04:42 AM
best team won no doubt but worst referring performance in living memory. he should not get another game this year. did jack oconnor have photos of him in compromising positions?
Sadly it wasn't even the worst refereeing performance this month. Monaghan vs Down was worse.
From being at the game this is my viewpoint.......
Kerry out-thought Tyrone. Tyrone actually lined out with 7 defenders at that start. Petey Harte started at CHB on Declan O'S and Carlin sat in front of Gooch. As soon as the ball was threw in Killan Young made his way up to Peter Harte and Declan O'Sullivan moved just in front of Gooch. Carlin had to then pick him up- Straight away Carlin was on back foot, he came to the show thinking he would be sweeping, starting attacks linking up with petey harte and carrying the ball into the forward line- this was Tyrone's game plan carry the ball the whole way they never were to think about kicking it into McCurry and Mugsy as they thought Kerry would deploy Young as a sweeper. Anyway Declan skinned carlin for first few balls and as I say he and the rest of the game plan was on the back foot straight away. Petey didn't know what his role was now. He was basically standing at centre half back getting man marked.
Thought at half time that the game was by in no means over. But I thought Tyrone would have to try something new. I even suggested going totally different to what people expect from Tyrone. I said go with Joe McMahon and Aidan Cassidy at edge of square and wee McCurry playing off them. My reasons- I looked at the Kerry full back line- Aidan O'Mahoney and Marc O'Se were set up to always mark nippy forwards- I don't know what they would be like in an airal battle. I was very disappointed to see Tyrone line out second half pretty much the same but with Conor Gormley at wing half forward. It very much reaked of find a place for him.
After not being in the game at all Petey Harte then got another chance in a new position at full forward. Killan Young stayed with him. Young him alive all day. To me Killian Young looked like a person who was told last Monday night- your on Petey Harte. No matter where he is.
Fair play to the Kingdom. I always like to see the best footballing team do well. The likes of Kerry and Cork do it right. Tyrone's rugby style of play where they carry it into the tackle and try to release it sidewards is very frustrating to watch. Joe McMahon caught in pocession a good few times yesterday. Felt a bit sorry for Mattie Donnelly. He was obviously under instructions to come back and take kick outs. He had the ball on his own 20 a lot of times and there wasnt a man up the same line as him until McCurry on the far 13. He constantly had to try and carry the ball into the tackle- get turned over and made look stupid. I know Tyrone may not have the same players with the same talents and bite as they had in the successful years but this season they looked like a team that had no natural flair- just gym monkeys.
Quote from: under the bar on July 22, 2012, 11:04:42 AM
best team won no doubt but worst referring performance in living memory. he should not get another game this year. did jack oconnor have photos of him in compromising positions?
C'mon ffs!! As wobbler says, it wasnt even one of the worst this month. I'd say its in the top half of refereeing performances this year!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
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Coldrick is a shit referee.
That is shocking! He should not get another game this year. Also how did gormley stay on the pitch? He seemed more interested in trying to act the hard man than playing football. Sad way for him to finish his Tyrone career!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 22, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
Interesting that Coldrick was the ref in all 3 of Tyrone's defeats in 2012.
Interesting how?
How's Declan o'Sullivan today - was a bit worried about him last night as he seemed to be seriously injured on a few occasions throughout the game yesterday. Especially after that bruising assault by Brian McGuigan - I heard he spent the night in A&E is that true?
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
He is a yap alright and a dirty enough one with it. No way was it an accident when he followed through with the fist to the keepers head. Always looking to get involved in other players altercations as well. A bit like Gormley really. And this grabbing by the throat/face carry on has to be a straight red from now on, it looks disgraceful on tv. Cannot fathom the outburst of emotion by Kerry players at the final whistle either. Feck sake, you only beat Tyrone in a qualifier it wasnt winning the five in a row.
Quote from: haveaharp on July 22, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
He is a yap alright and a dirty enough one with it. No way was it an accident when he followed through with the fist to the keepers head. Always looking to get involved in other players altercations as well. A bit like Gormley really. And this grabbing by the throat/face carry on has to be a straight red from now on, it looks disgraceful on tv. Cannot fathom the outburst of emotion by Kerry players at the final whistle either. Feck sake, you only beat Tyrone in a qualifier it wasnt winning the five in a row.
I'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on July 22, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
He is a yap alright and a dirty enough one with it. No way was it an accident when he followed through with the fist to the keepers head. Always looking to get involved in other players altercations as well. A bit like Gormley really. And this grabbing by the throat/face carry on has to be a straight red from now on, it looks disgraceful on tv. Cannot fathom the outburst of emotion by Kerry players at the final whistle either. Feck sake, you only beat Tyrone in a qualifier it wasnt winning the five in a row.
I'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
+1 . At least is shows it means something to the players
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count? Tyrone have plenty of underage talent to develop and there's no better man than Mickey Harte to mould them into seniors Even now they remain in the top 6-8 teams in the country, promoted back D1 at a canter in the spring. If the last three years are 'freefall', it's strange that the vast majority of counties would happily take their results - Tyrone won yet another Ulster minor title today.
The irony of what you've said is Kerry are far more likely for a rough landing in the coming years than Tyrone are.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on July 22, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
He is a yap alright and a dirty enough one with it. No way was it an accident when he followed through with the fist to the keepers head. Always looking to get involved in other players altercations as well. A bit like Gormley really. And this grabbing by the throat/face carry on has to be a straight red from now on, it looks disgraceful on tv. Cannot fathom the outburst of emotion by Kerry players at the final whistle either. Feck sake, you only beat Tyrone in a qualifier it wasnt winning the five in a row.
I'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
To be fair though its rare you would see a Kerry team react like that outside of beating Cork in Munster.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on July 22, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on July 22, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Kieran Donaghy is a serious mouth as well, always slabbering and getting involved in things he has no call to be near, ah well i suppose thats the tyrone in him
He is a yap alright and a dirty enough one with it. No way was it an accident when he followed through with the fist to the keepers head. Always looking to get involved in other players altercations as well. A bit like Gormley really. And this grabbing by the throat/face carry on has to be a straight red from now on, it looks disgraceful on tv. Cannot fathom the outburst of emotion by Kerry players at the final whistle either. Feck sake, you only beat Tyrone in a qualifier it wasnt winning the five in a row.
I'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
defo agree with that. I've said that before about teams winning leagues and provincial championships, its like a wake sometimes. Great to see kerry react like that and enjoy themselves yesterday, they played brilliant football and kicked the hole of a brutal tyrone team.
Tyrone were desperate, very cynical, and it was hard to believe they got to within 2 points after getting the goal. Even at that stage, kerry were 10 points the better team. I was kinda supporting tyrone going in to the game yesterday so i don't think i'm putting the boot in here too much.
Tyrone and armagh played a good shoot out in the first round, really both sides are average but will be back. Another thing, all the talk about division 2 being very good, is it? kildare, tyrone and galway were the big 3, now look at them.
The top 6 teams in div 1 are still the big 6, though i don't think down are any better than armagh or tyrone.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count? Tyrone have plenty of underage talent to develop and there's no better man than Mickey Harte to mould them into seniors Even now they remain in the top 6-8 teams in the country, promoted back D1 at a canter in the spring. If the last three years are 'freefall', it's strange that the vast majority of counties would happily take their results - Tyrone won yet another Ulster minor title today.
The irony of what you've said is Kerry are far more likely for a rough landing in the coming years than Tyrone are.
I don't think any of those players put their hands up last night. I thought Tyrone were beat in every position last night, with no sign of any young talent that would be good enough at the highest level. Plenty of counties have had success at underage without it translating into the senior side.
Ironically, Kerry haven't won a minor since '94 but seem to bring in 1-2 players every year.
Ulster football is in serious decline and Tyrone are so far behind now, they remind me of Armagh/Derry, its scary.
We'll see what they will do in the future, I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't think they caught a ball around the middle of the park all day yest.
Tyrone are still way ahead of Armagh who in turn are miles ahead of Derry.
Tyrone won the UMFC in '97 '98 and '01 which was the basis of the Senior winning sides in '03 '05 and '08. But they also had victories at U21 level as well. Tyrone won the UMFC in '03 '04 '07 '08 '10 and now '12. Where are those players? How come those sides haven't supplied the same amount of players that the previous teams did? Winning minor titles is important but no reflection of how the senior team will play in the future.
There's not much between them all. You wouldn't have a top team with the pick from the 3 of them.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 22, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
Tyrone are still way ahead of Armagh who in turn are miles ahead of Derry.
How many players from the 3 counties would get on the Kerry team?
There are free scoring forwards in Tyrone there are midfielders in Tyrone. I expect it's time to try to bring in high scoring island and clonoe players. Best midfielders, in Tyrone Hughes, dmore, mc Gahan coal island,
I would agree that, with the shift of power from 'up the country' towards the lough, we have to start looking at these boys. Unbelievable that Clonoe boys never seem to make it as they've been around the top for a long time now.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count?
Seen much of McCurry have you?
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 22, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count?
i think the type off forwards tyrone have coming through we need to find a bakk winninf full forward to introduce the scoring forwards into the game tyrone have became too predictible over the last few years.
Seen much of McCurry have you?
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 22, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count?
Seen much of McCurry have you?
Was he playing yesterday?
Tyrone need to address a number of issues now that they have been papering over for a few years in terms of the team and the overall set up.
1) Midfield Diamond
Tyrone haven't had a proper 6-8-9-11 diamond for the last 3-4 years. Conor Gormley wears 6 but normall plays at 2 and the centre back position has been fluid. With such a young team at the minute we need to get a traditional 6 into the space.
Tyrone's midfield has been a patchwork job for the last few years and we haven't had the players to cut it at the top level against the best teams. Kevin Hughes needs to be replaced in particular. It's alright having nice footballer but I want one of my midfielders to put himself infront of everything that moves and spoils the opposition. The kind of player who would do this unfashionable work are the boys that'll get over looked because they can't play 3 or 4 positions. I'd rather one man who did his job brilliantly than one who could do ok in 3 or 4 positions
Brian McGuigan is going to be a very difficult man to replace. Mark Donnelly's workrate can't be faulted and I think he still has a place in the team but it isn't at 11. Tyrone have no one to organise or direct their attacks. Needs addressed.
2) Man Marker
We haven't got a man marker in a similar mould to Conor Gormley of 2008. Once again it's going to be very difficult to find one but we need to start trying to.
3) New forwards
Tyrone are missing the kind of top class forwards at the minute who will kick you 6 or 7 points a game consistently. We've been blessed with Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill but these kind of players don't grow on trees. Two points from our forwards yesterday was embarrassing. We need an injection of pace in the full forward line and a man who can win his own ball. I'd be hopeful about Coney and Ronan O'Neill but Mickey needs to take a look at Tyrone club football. There are fella's wracking up big scores week in and week out who deserve to get a chance.
Oh and a few fella's willing to take on a bit of leadership wouldn't go amiss
In all fairness o`Sullivan went down terribly easy, but then again did Brian not do the same thing when a big down midfielder got the line for throwing a ball at him. Easy to highlight O`Sullivan for playacting which i cant stand, but Mcguigan done the same thing ending in Greg mccartan getting sent off.So some of the Tyrone men need take the blinkers off when they have one of there own players sent off in similar situation. As for Ricey and Gormley, how Tyrone have went for years without mickey harte having a serious word with them i never know. Totally undisciplined and i believe the 2 players are a big reason Tyrone are not overly popular in ulster and further afield. You would not have seen a 5yr throw the ball into a player stomach after scoring a goal, complete idiot with very little class. Not sure, but i though i even seen ricey kick the ball into the stand to stop the Kerry player take a free after it rolled out over the line. its like something you seen in a u-12 game.
Alot on here seem to be sore on Peter Harte too, its very difficult to play different positions match after match, and is easy to get lost in a setup where he continues to fill gaps in various positions. give the lad one position and let him play there a year or two in it. I feel he has the making of a great player but the way he been used at present helps no-one!
2 very good posts. I think only Donegal can stop the kingdom now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 22, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
In all fairness o`Sullivan went down terribly easy, but then again did Brian not do the same thing when a big down midfielder got the line for throwing a ball at him. Easy to highlight O`Sullivan for playacting which i cant stand, but Mcguigan done the same thing ending in Greg mccartan getting sent off.So some of the Tyrone men need take the blinkers off when they have one of there own players sent off in similar situation. As for Ricey and Gormley, how Tyrone have went for years without mickey harte having a serious word with them i never know. Totally undisciplined and i believe the 2 players are a big reason Tyrone are not overly popular in ulster and further afield. You would not have seen a 5yr throw the ball into a player stomach after scoring a goal, complete idiot with very little class. Not sure, but i though i even seen ricey kick the ball into the stand to stop the Kerry player take a free after it rolled out over the line. its like something you seen in a u-12 game.
Agreed. As a derryman i always support the ulster team but boys like gormley and mcmenamin are hard to like. I thought that yesterday kerry beat tyrone at their own game. They defended in numbers and when tyrone hit them with late tackles like mcguigans they lay down instead of retaliating. Tyrone brought that kind of diving into the game so they shouldnt be crying now. Disappointed for mcguigan though because he has been a fantastic player and to bow out like that would be tough. Also disappointed for boys like stephen oneill who has been a class player for a long time. Gormley was the dirtiest player on the pitch and could have had 4 or 5 yellow cards. Thought his elbow into the back of goochs head was wotrhy of a red card. Def worse than mcguigans tackle.
Gormley been a great no.6 and Tyrone best defender for many a year but very good no6`s, of recent years may have been involved in an odd skirmish but how many times would you have seen the like of K McGeeney, Stephen O`Brien, Seamus Mon, P Curran, H Downey, etc, been involved in the continuous niggling, choke holds, knees etc, mouthing, its not an odd game hes always been at it,great players don't need it and he be remembered as much for this carry on as he would have for been a great player. As for the playacting its pathetic from both teams, and its like a virus in our everyday game! How would many of the pansies from this day and age fair against the Meath team of the late 80`s who were very tough. let me put it to you like this, you only grap mike lyons by the throat once!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 22, 2012, 07:47:27 PM
Gormley been a great no.6 and Tyrone best defender for many a year but very good no6`s, of recent years may have been involved in an odd skirmish but how many times would you have seen the like of K McGeeney, Stephen O`Brien, Seamus Mon, P Curran, H Downey, etc, been involved in the continuous niggling, choke holds, knees etc, mouthing, its not an odd game hes always been at it,great players don't need it and he be remembered as much for this carry on as he would have for been a great player. As for the playacting its pathetic from both teams, and its like a virus in our everyday game! How would many of the pansies from this day and age fair against the Meath team of the late 80`s who were very tough. let me put it to you like this, you only grap mike lyons by the throat once!
you ought to see gormley in a ordinary club game in tyrone elbowing and kneeing men on the ground just as he likes as most refs afraid to sent him off
I predicted in the Donegal vs Tyrone match thread a few weeks ago after the game that Tyrone would get hammered again in a similar vein to the Dublin game last year when they met one of the "big guns" this year and yesterday proved that.
Tyrone at the moment are playing a horrible brand of football at the minute, lets be honest about that.
Short kick outs to a man standing on his own 20 meter line and then try and work the ball up to the scoring position by "bursting" through tackles and short passing it back or sideroads is not only hard to watch, its actually unreasonable to ask players to do this.
There is no way you can get fit enough to play that type of game, by the time tyrone players worked the ball up to a scoring position, they where that wrecked from taking tackles and punishing running that in the end up most of the attacks where easily over-turned and Kerry broke with space everywhere which the kerry forwards completely revelled in.
Tyrone have given up the old age adage that you let the BALL DO THE WORK. Tyrone are doing all the work for the ball. Its horrible, physically & mentally exhausting and highly unintelligent football. Really think Tyrone need to look at their style of play and change it otherwise they will continue to go backwards even in a transition period.
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 22, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Quote from: nobackdoor on July 22, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
No harm with showing a bit of emotion after the game. Fair play to the Kingdom, they played on a different level to Tyrone yesterday.
Tyrone have been in freefall since '09, with no sign of any talent coming through. They seem to be heading the same way as Armagh and Derry, in fact the Ulster championship look to be in serious decline.
So the likes of Peter Harte, Clarke and McCurry don't count?
Seen much of McCurry have you?
'Talent coming through' by it's very definition means you're not going to have seen a whole hell of alot of them. Harte has the biggest and best resume but the other two have shown enough to say they're talented. Were you expecting a couple of Sean Cavanaghs to be birthed fully grown?
Nice try at being a smartarse, though.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on July 21, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 21, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Disappointed with today.
Don't think Kerry are as good as they looked nor Tyrone as bad. I think Tyrone thought that Kerry were feeling the pressure coming into the game and thought they could outfox Kerry. The approach and tactics from Tyrone were totally wrong. They played pretty lethargic and no-one was making any good runs forward. Tyrone didn't show the necessary intensity needed and Kerry took hold of the match.
For once unlike the teams of the past there does not seem to be a cohesive unit, it was like a jigsaw that didn't fit. Tactics haven't worked the last few years against the better teams who keep all the men back in their half. It failed in 2009 and last year I'd be reluctant to say it did in 2010 as we did everything but win. Something new needs to be tried. I think trying big Seán at 6 perhaps could be something to try. We definitely are still missing a big presence around the middle of the field as per usual and worryingly someone to pick up the scraps. We do have decent forwards in Coney, R. O'Neill and McCurry but we need a team.
Things need to shook up and perhaps new voices such as Monroe and Canavan should be brought into the backroom team, though not sure if Canavan would settle for second fiddle.
Don't think either side covered themselves in glory and more players should have seen shown the line, Coldrick seemed to respond to the crowd alot. I'm not sure how far Kerry will go, but I'm not convinced that they'll win sam, maybe a semi...
If the likes of yourself posted more, this place would be worthy of a lot more attention, good reasoned post. I disagree with you that Kerry "aren't as good as they looked" and don't really know what you mean? We have a decent defence and midfield and a top class forward line IMO and of the 3 main contenders for the All Ireland right now, Cork, Dublin and Donegal, I don't think we have anything to fear really. We know Cork and dublin inside out, Donegal will be a new experience alright, but we have, I think, better kickers of the ball than most teams which may be crucial if we play them.
From a Kerry perspective, we're happy with the win today, but when the dust settles, everyone will realise that we've only won a qualifier and that 2 weeks time in the 1/4 final (hopefully!) will be a huge battle. Some of the players were quite exuberant (overly so, some would argue) at the end..some people have expressed "surprise" at that...but there was huge pressure on them from within AND outside the county...if they lost, a few of them would have to retire with the prospect of having the "never beat Tyrone" line thrown at them for eternity aswell as losing at home and being the first Kerry team in 17 years to be beaten in Killarney in the c/ship, so I can understand the emotion...but they will be brought back to earth with a bang this week I'm sure.
As for today's game...Kerry by far the better team I thought, could have won by more. Tyrone hadn't a stitch of a forward really apart from young McCurry who is a good prospect. Stevie O'Neill obviously wasn't near fit, Mugsy was well contained, Penrose hardly touched the ball and was taken off. Strange to see such an non-effective Tyrone forward line. Coney & Kavanagh are huge losses obviously. Galvin and Donaghy had their best game since last year at least for us..great 2nd half by Donaghy. Most of the team played well, Darran Sull, Curtin and O'Leary made good impact from the bench aswell.
Coldrick really is an appalling ref, it has to be said...I hate criticising refs as they have a thankless job, but today is a good example of all that is wrong with modern refereeing. Guaranteed you will have McEneaney, Bannon and all the referee big-wigs telling us that he had a great game though.
Firstly, this GAA unique tradition of booking 2 people whenever there is an incident is a joke. Coldrick did this at least 4 times today I think. He funked out of a lot of decisions for both sides. Curtin's reckless hit at the end was at least as bad as Mcguigan's to be fair, so why wasn't it red....there was no consistency. Can't believe an experienced guy like Brian would be so silly though. Conor Gormley, on numerous occasions went in with the knee and also likes to catch people by the throat which should be a booking, but it went unpunished. Filthy late tackle on Gooch on the stand side aswell at one stage.
Kerry got a free in the first half when O'Donoghue fell over with nobody near him really. Darran O'Sullivan got a very soft free in the second half....I could go on, and on. Maybe none of the decisions changed the game, but down the line in bigger games they could make a difference, thats the problem.
Anyway, the real championship is underway and I'm just glad we're still there. would expect Kerry, Kildare, Meath and Down to be the 4 qualifiers facing the 4 provincial winners..thats where things will really hot up.
Lastly, fair play to Mickey Harte (and a few of the Tyrone players who we might not see again)...he took his time leaving the field this evening and stopped signing autographs and posing for photographs with people, which given what he and his family have gone through is a remarkable testament to the man's humanity if nothing else. Whether he stays or goes, he has been a brilliant manager and good for Gaelic Football.
Two good posts.
Kerry by far the better team in a fairly ill-tempered, ill disciplined game. Coldrick was appaling but it didn't affect the outcome. Some other poster said it but I thought Tyrone looked lethargic and to use a modern term, "leggy". They didn't look "up for it" for some reason. I'm not sure how good Kerry are but I'd say they're one of the few good kick passing teams left in the Championship. Anyway I think a 10 point victory was about right. But respect to M Harte.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 22, 2012, 07:03:13 PM
Alot on here seem to be sore on Peter Harte too, its very difficult to play different positions match after match, and is easy to get lost in a setup where he continues to fill gaps in various positions. give the lad one position and let him play there a year or two in it. I feel he has the making of a great player but the way he been used at present helps no-one!
V true
Just back to base after the long haul to Killarney- great town for a game. Don't think I've ever seen a team as determined not to lose as the kingdom were y'day. The constant media nonsense about not beating Tyrone in 03 05 & 08 really irked this particular group of players & the way they celebrated each & every score highlighted how much beating the red hands means to Kerry. But there was a much more sinister side to proceedings y'day. In time we can analyse where to now for Tyrone & in what shape or form but I just want to highlight a few incidents from on & off the field in relation to Kerry.
Standing on the terrace before throw in you could sense an air of nervousness among the kerryfolk & very few felt confident enough to welcome us to their wonderful arena. As the game got underway we heard the following remarks shouted toward the Tyronemen (in no particular order)
- that's how the game should be played
- you dirty northern tramps
- mcmenamin you tr**p
- mcmenamin you scummy b@&£@&d
- take your f'ing tactics back to the north
- go home you northern b's
- typical Tyrone hitting off the ball
Now these comments didnt just come from one frustrated soul- they were from a variety of sources & seemed to get universal approval. As of Saturday I understood Why Paidi referred to them as f**king animals. They were baying for blood. I'm not here to defend Tyrone as they have been involved in their fair share of mischief over the years & a few guys pushed rules to the limit but the viciousness by many kerryfolk was quite intimidating. But back to the point I want to make- how do Kerry continue to have the image as saviours of the game? And the image as good wholesome traditional players?
The diving- o'donoghue for the first score, gooch & Donaghy on a regular basis, galvin in such disgraceful fashion & the master of them all, declan o'sullivan
The yapping- Donaghy is renowned for this to both umpires & refs( can't shut his mouth), jack on the line, & the master of them all Declan again
The off the ball hits- Tomas before the game started, Mark after the Tyrone goal, the endless dragging around the neck (which that coldrick imp refused to punish)& of course the master again dec, who continues to throw elbows into faces unpunished as he has done for years.
How is it that very few in the media seem prepared to take Kerry to task for their actions? Why the fear to challenge them? It's like that defeatist attitude of many teams when they face Kerry, they go in accepting that defeat is inevitable. Tyrone challenged this but the Kerry PR machine quickly tarnished their reputation& that has stuck with them through their successful period & now in their period of transition. If we can promote all that is good about Kerry - like how the o'se boys defend, or that drop of the shoulder by the gooch to leave defenders for dead, or the penetrating runs of Darren o sullivan, or the ability of the master himself declan o sullivan to beat a man & kick exquisite scores- then why do we shy away from highlighting the nasty, cynical side to their game. There is certainly no shying away when it's Tyrone, or Donegal last year, or Armagh in the 2000s.
So media people lets see you rise to the challenge where Kerry are involved- praise when they play the football they so capable of playing & criticise when they play so cynically as indeed they are also very capable.
Finally when all was done & dusted and we were out on the pitch afterwards, there were many kind kerryfolk who spoke to us to wish us a safe journey home & they were very kind to Mickey Harte as he left the pitch. I hope this wasn't just because they had knocked us down to where we belong as gallant losers.
Quote from: TY14ED on July 23, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Just back to base after the long haul to Killarney- great town for a game. Don't think I've ever seen a team as determined not to lose as the kingdom were y'day. The constant media nonsense about not beating Tyrone in 03 05 & 08 really irked this particular group of players & the way they celebrated each & every score highlighted how much beating the red hands means to Kerry. But there was a much more sinister side to proceedings y'day. In time we can analyse where to now for Tyrone & in what shape or form but I just want to highlight a few incidents from on & off the field in relation to Kerry.
Standing on the terrace before throw in you could sense an air of nervousness among the kerryfolk & very few felt confident enough to welcome us to their wonderful arena. As the game got underway we heard the following remarks shouted toward the Tyronemen (in no particular order)
- that's how the game should be played
- you dirty northern tramps
- mcmenamin you tr**p
- mcmenamin you scummy b@&£@&d
- take your f'ing tactics back to the north
- go home you northern b's
- typical Tyrone hitting off the ball
Now these comments didnt just come from one frustrated soul- they were from a variety of sources & seemed to get universal approval. As of Saturday I understood Why Paidi referred to them as f**king animals. They were baying for blood. I'm not here to defend Tyrone as they have been involved in their fair share of mischief over the years & a few guys pushed rules to the limit but the viciousness by many kerryfolk was quite intimidating. But back to the point I want to make- how do Kerry continue to have the image as saviours of the game? And the image as good wholesome traditional players?
The diving- o'donoghue for the first score, gooch & Donaghy on a regular basis, galvin in such disgraceful fashion & the master of them all, declan o'sullivan
The yapping- Donaghy is renowned for this to both umpires & refs( can't shut his mouth), jack on the line, & the master of them all Declan again
The off the ball hits- Tomas before the game started, Mark after the Tyrone goal, the endless dragging around the neck (which that coldrick imp refused to punish)& of course the master again dec, who continues to throw elbows into faces unpunished as he has done for years.
How is it that very few in the media seem prepared to take Kerry to task for their actions? Why the fear to challenge them? It's like that defeatist attitude of many teams when they face Kerry, they go in accepting that defeat is inevitable. Tyrone challenged this but the Kerry PR machine quickly tarnished their reputation& that has stuck with them through their successful period & now in their period of transition. If we can promote all that is good about Kerry - like how the o'se boys defend, or that drop of the shoulder by the gooch to leave defenders for dead, or the penetrating runs of Darren o sullivan, or the ability of the master himself declan o sullivan to beat a man & kick exquisite scores- then why do we shy away from highlighting the nasty, cynical side to their game. There is certainly no shying away when it's Tyrone, or Donegal last year, or Armagh in the 2000s.
So media people lets see you rise to the challenge where Kerry are involved- praise when they play the football they so capable of playing & criticise when they play so cynically as indeed they are also very capable.
Finally when all was done & dusted and we were out on the pitch afterwards, there were many kind kerryfolk who spoke to us to wish us a safe journey home & they were very kind to Mickey Harte as he left the pitch. I hope this wasn't just because they had knocked us down to where we belong as gallant losers.
i was in killarney and this is the most reasoned post i have ever read on this site, no dramatics
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 22, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
I predicted in the Donegal vs Tyrone match thread a few weeks ago after the game that Tyrone would get hammered again in a similar vein to the Dublin game last year when they met one of the "big guns" this year and yesterday proved that.
Tyrone at the moment are playing a horrible brand of football at the minute, lets be honest about that.
Short kick outs to a man standing on his own 20 meter line and then try and work the ball up to the scoring position by "bursting" through tackles and short passing it back or sideroads is not only hard to watch, its actually unreasonable to ask players to do this.
There is no way you can get fit enough to play that type of game, by the time tyrone players worked the ball up to a scoring position, they where that wrecked from taking tackles and punishing running that in the end up most of the attacks where easily over-turned and Kerry broke with space everywhere which the kerry forwards completely revelled in.
Tyrone have given up the old age adage that you let the BALL DO THE WORK. Tyrone are doing all the work for the ball. Its horrible, physically & mentally exhausting and highly unintelligent football. Really think Tyrone need to look at their style of play and change it otherwise they will continue to go backwards even in a transition period.
Conor Gormley has been a superb defender over the last ten years and is a huge reason why Tyrone have been as sucessful as they have. I expect those from outside Tyrone to dislike him but for the rest........................ nice boys dont win all irelands, be thankful for the players we got
When a legend from the county describes his own supporters as "animals" that's a fair enough clue.....
Kerry have got, and still get away with murder on the pitch by virtue of thier success and the constant media hype of them being the purists of Gaelic football.
Never mind the slabbering, elbows, diving, blanket defence, late hits, off the ball digs etc
Gooch can do as he pleases, safe in the knowledge he will never get the line. And Coldrick just gave the perfect example on Sat. McGuigan - off, Curtin - yellow for a much more dangerous act. The difference? One was done by a Kerry player and Cav got up, instead of lying poleaxed for 5 min.
Kerry are no worse than Tyrone or Armagh have been at times with the bad behaviour but lets not kid on they are any better either.
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Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 21, 2012, 10:26:13 PM
Disappointed with today.
Don't think Kerry are as good as they looked nor Tyrone as bad. I think Tyrone thought that Kerry were feeling the pressure coming into the game and thought they could outfox Kerry. The approach and tactics from Tyrone were totally wrong. They played pretty lethargic and no-one was making any good runs forward. Tyrone didn't show the necessary intensity needed and Kerry took hold of the match.
For once unlike the teams of the past there does not seem to be a cohesive unit, it was like a jigsaw that didn't fit. Tactics haven't worked the last few years against the better teams who keep all the men back in their half. It failed in 2009 and last year I'd be reluctant to say it did in 2010 as we did everything but win. Something new needs to be tried. I think trying big Seán at 6 perhaps could be something to try. We definitely are still missing a big presence around the middle of the field as per usual and worryingly someone to pick up the scraps. We do have decent forwards in Coney, R. O'Neill and McCurry but we need a team.
Things need to shook up and perhaps new voices such as Monroe and Canavan should be brought into the backroom team, though not sure if Canavan would settle for second fiddle.
Don't think either side covered themselves in glory and more players should have seen shown the line, Coldrick seemed to respond to the crowd alot. I'm not sure how far Kerry will go, but I'm not convinced that they'll win sam, maybe a semi...
If the likes of yourself posted more, this place would be worthy of a lot more attention, good reasoned post. I disagree with you that Kerry "aren't as good as they looked" and don't really know what you mean? We have a decent defence and midfield and a top class forward line IMO and of the 3 main contenders for the All Ireland right now, Cork, Dublin and Donegal, I don't think we have anything to fear really. We know Cork and dublin inside out, Donegal will be a new experience alright, but we have, I think, better kickers of the ball than most teams which may be crucial if we play them.
From a Kerry perspective, we're happy with the win today, but when the dust settles, everyone will realise that we've only won a qualifier and that 2 weeks time in the 1/4 final (hopefully!) will be a huge battle. Some of the players were quite exuberant (overly so, some would argue) at the end..some people have expressed "surprise" at that...but there was huge pressure on them from within AND outside the county...if they lost, a few of them would have to retire with the prospect of having the "never beat Tyrone" line thrown at them for eternity aswell as losing at home and being the first Kerry team in 17 years to be beaten in Killarney in the c/ship, so I can understand the emotion...but they will be brought back to earth with a bang this week I'm sure.
As for today's game...Kerry by far the better team I thought, could have won by more. Tyrone hadn't a stitch of a forward really apart from young McCurry who is a good prospect. Stevie O'Neill obviously wasn't near fit, Mugsy was well contained, Penrose hardly touched the ball and was taken off. Strange to see such an non-effective Tyrone forward line. Coney & Kavanagh are huge losses obviously. Galvin and Donaghy had their best game since last year at least for us..great 2nd half by Donaghy. Most of the team played well, Darran Sull, Curtin and O'Leary made good impact from the bench aswell.
Coldrick really is an appalling ref, it has to be said...I hate criticising refs as they have a thankless job, but today is a good example of all that is wrong with modern refereeing. Guaranteed you will have McEneaney, Bannon and all the referee big-wigs telling us that he had a great game though.
Firstly, this GAA unique tradition of booking 2 people whenever there is an incident is a joke. Coldrick did this at least 4 times today I think. He funked out of a lot of decisions for both sides. Curtin's reckless hit at the end was at least as bad as Mcguigan's to be fair, so why wasn't it red....there was no consistency. Can't believe an experienced guy like Brian would be so silly though. Conor Gormley, on numerous occasions went in with the knee and also likes to catch people by the throat which should be a booking, but it went unpunished. Filthy late tackle on Gooch on the stand side aswell at one stage.
Kerry got a free in the first half when O'Donoghue fell over with nobody near him really. Darran O'Sullivan got a very soft free in the second half....I could go on, and on. Maybe none of the decisions changed the game, but down the line in bigger games they could make a difference, thats the problem.
Anyway, the real championship is underway and I'm just glad we're still there. would expect Kerry, Kildare, Meath and Down to be the 4 qualifiers facing the 4 provincial winners..thats where things will really hot up.
Lastly, fair play to Mickey Harte (and a few of the Tyrone players who we might not see again)...he took his time leaving the field this evening and stopped signing autographs and posing for photographs with people, which given what he and his family have gone through is a remarkable testament to the man's humanity if nothing else. Whether he stays or goes, he has been a brilliant manager and good for Gaelic Football.
Two good posts.
Kerry by far the better team in a fairly ill-tempered, ill disciplined game. Coldrick was appaling but it didn't affect the outcome. Some other poster said it but I thought Tyrone looked lethargic and to use a modern term, "leggy". They didn't look "up for it" for some reason. I'm not sure how good Kerry are but I'd say they're one of the few good kick passing teams left in the Championship. Anyway I think a 10 point victory was about right. But respect to M Harte.
Look lad, when real talent breaks through, you sit up and take notice. There'e no such thing in the Tyrone team at the moment.
Mickey Harte and Tyrone changed football in 2003, but things have evolved and teams have moved on while Tyrone have not. Is it time for a new voice in the Tyrone changing rooms with new ideas, are Tyrone to one dimensional with no plan B? Harte has loyalty to a lot of players and there are others who don't seem to get a look in really. We haven't had a proper ball winner at midfield in years, yet why has one of if not the best fielder in the County (Ronan Lafferty) been given a chance? Time for SON, Mugsy, Ricey and Gormley to retire, still have quality but long past their best and are all missing the pace that really is required to be top drawer today. There is lots of good forwards in the county, who again don't seem to get much of a chance. Johnny Lafferty is a great talent but has hardly got a run out, yet others such as the two Donnelly's have got a lot more game time this summer without actually doing anything of note, some players seem to get a lot of game time to make a name for themselves yet do very little, while others get a half here or there and unless they score 1-6 they will not get a chance again. Tyrone are so reluctant to kick the ball early into the forwards, it was like watching the Division 2 league final all over again. The footballers in Tyrone are as skilful as any other County in the Country, yet why are they not playing the football 40 or 50 yards and continuously running into trouble. The first half on Saturday showed the benefits of this, as Kerry launched attack after attack from defence via the foot pass, the result was that it made it look that Kerry's forwards had all the space in the world yet by the time Tyrone carried the ball up the field 3/4 of Kerry's team were in and around them, suffocating them. The kicked ball will travel 40 or 50 yards quicker than any man could carry it. People will say Tyrone's attack is blunt (it did look it on Saturday), but the root of the problem is the style of play which is taking too long to get into the oppositions scoring zone.
People say that Tyrone are in for a hard few years, but on the other hand I think that Tyrone are not at that bad a place. Division one football next year will help going forward, while on the other hand look where Dublin were after Kerry in 2009 or even Meath in 2010 and look at them now. The same for Donegal, they were a disgrace two years ago and made the headlines for all the wrong reasons after their players were joking and laughing about after losing to Armagh, look where they are now. Are there better players in Donegal or Dublin than in Tyrone? No. But their coaching and training systems have significantly moved on to a place that make Tyrone's tactics look prehistoric. Tyrone have a lot of younger players coming through from the 2008 and 2010 All Ireland Minor winning teams, some that have already gotten game time. Saturday's game will stand to Mattie Donnelly, Clarke, McCurry, Harte etc. People say there are no replacements for the 2003/5/8 stars that have now gone, but it takes two or three seasons for most newcomers to really find their feet at Senior Inter-County level. The golden generation all came on the scene around 99/00 and look at some of the experiences they had to endure before they reached the top, and they were not the game changers they would become in their first season or two. Tyrone really need to completely reshape their team next year, go for youth and get rid of the older players. Coney has matured into a top class forward; Ronan O'Neill looks to have all the attributes to be another. But a major search through the County is required to get the best players on board. It is noticeable to look at the Donegal and Dublin players physiques that their physical training is making a difference, is it now a minimum requirement that teams train twice some days?
Quote from: TY14ED on July 23, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
jack on the line
How O'Connor can concentrate on the game with the amount of he spends in the ear of the linesman and ref I don't know. He's constanlty badgering them trying to get fellas yellow carded or not get a Kerry player yellow carded.
It's no wonder the rest of the Kerry players are at it out the field when they see the sideline.
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Quote from: TY14ED on July 23, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Just back to base after the long haul to Killarney- great town for a game. Don't think I've ever seen a team as determined not to lose as the kingdom were y'day. The constant media nonsense about not beating Tyrone in 03 05 & 08 really irked this particular group of players & the way they celebrated each & every score highlighted how much beating the red hands means to Kerry. But there was a much more sinister side to proceedings y'day. In time we can analyse where to now for Tyrone & in what shape or form but I just want to highlight a few incidents from on & off the field in relation to Kerry.
Standing on the terrace before throw in you could sense an air of nervousness among the kerryfolk & very few felt confident enough to welcome us to their wonderful arena. As the game got underway we heard the following remarks shouted toward the Tyronemen (in no particular order)
- that's how the game should be played
- you dirty northern tramps
- mcmenamin you tr**p
- mcmenamin you scummy b@&£@&d
- take your f'ing tactics back to the north
- go home you northern b's
- typical Tyrone hitting off the ball
Now these comments didnt just come from one frustrated soul- they were from a variety of sources & seemed to get universal approval. As of Saturday I understood Why Paidi referred to them as f**king animals. They were baying for blood. I'm not here to defend Tyrone as they have been involved in their fair share of mischief over the years & a few guys pushed rules to the limit but the viciousness by many kerryfolk was quite intimidating. But back to the point I want to make- how do Kerry continue to have the image as saviours of the game? And the image as good wholesome traditional players?
The diving- o'donoghue for the first score, gooch & Donaghy on a regular basis, galvin in such disgraceful fashion & the master of them all, declan o'sullivan
The yapping- Donaghy is renowned for this to both umpires & refs( can't shut his mouth), jack on the line, & the master of them all Declan again
The off the ball hits- Tomas before the game started, Mark after the Tyrone goal, the endless dragging around the neck (which that coldrick imp refused to punish)& of course the master again dec, who continues to throw elbows into faces unpunished as he has done for years.
How is it that very few in the media seem prepared to take Kerry to task for their actions? Why the fear to challenge them? It's like that defeatist attitude of many teams when they face Kerry, they go in accepting that defeat is inevitable. Tyrone challenged this but the Kerry PR machine quickly tarnished their reputation& that has stuck with them through their successful period & now in their period of transition. If we can promote all that is good about Kerry - like how the o'se boys defend, or that drop of the shoulder by the gooch to leave defenders for dead, or the penetrating runs of Darren o sullivan, or the ability of the master himself declan o sullivan to beat a man & kick exquisite scores- then why do we shy away from highlighting the nasty, cynical side to their game. There is certainly no shying away when it's Tyrone, or Donegal last year, or Armagh in the 2000s.
So media people lets see you rise to the challenge where Kerry are involved- praise when they play the football they so capable of playing & criticise when they play so cynically as indeed they are also very capable.
Finally when all was done & dusted and we were out on the pitch afterwards, there were many kind kerryfolk who spoke to us to wish us a safe journey home & they were very kind to Mickey Harte as he left the pitch. I hope this wasn't just because they had knocked us down to where we belong as gallant losers.
i was in killarney and this is the most reasoned post i have ever read on this site, no dramatics
Being at the game, what struck me that all the slabbering from the crowd wasn't banter-wasn't a bit of slagging and wasn't craic. They meant every word. Normally in a crowd, you get a few balloons losing the head-this was an inversion of the typical GAA crowd-mass vitriol with a few daycent people here and there. I'd have the Dubs or Armagh any day over that lot-at least it's a bit of craic. No banter on the way in or out-just looks of disdain.
Some oul fart tapped me on the shoulder near the end and said "Yerra, you may bring back Canavan, Dooher, etc., yerra, etc."...to which I replied, "Sure them boys are sick of batin' ye-didn't they beat ye in...etc, etc".
He went forty shades of purple.
Was interesting to experience such an electric atmosphere but not one I would bring a child or family into.
O'Connor didn't cover himself in glory either slabberin' on the sideline the whole way through.
I agree with the comment that we've been in decline since Cork in 2009. I recall after the final win in 2008 that I thought that was the last drop squeezed out of a lot of those players. Saturday showed up how important those contributions were from Dooher at his best between 2003-2008 and Sean Cavanagh.
The reality is that since 2008, very few if any of the players, younger ones included, have improved or kicked on. Although Sean was injured, the reality is that he has went sideways since then. Justin McMahon was been injured and Tommy McGuigan hasn't got back to that level even before his injury. Penrose has established himself in the team but is he really all star class at the highest level? In reality, that is the level players need to be attaining if Tyrone are to be contending for All Irelands again.
Saturday confirmed that a lot of the players in their mid-20s aren't good enough. Sean O'Neill, Colm Cavanagh and Mark Donnelly aren't good enough at that level. I though Colm lost his man for the Kerry goal. You look at Dublin 2010 and 2011, Donegal 2012 and Kerry 2012; he has been found wanting. Mark Donnelly handled ball but nothing came off it. He lacks the killer instinct of a forward. He repeatedly turned away from goal and lacks that killer penetrative passing ability for a No.11. It's a pity he wasn't introduced to the panel 5-6 years ago. At 29 next year, it's unlikely he'll improve further.
As for next year, it's time to look offering players an opportunity who offer you the best chance long term of surviving against the Kerrys, Dublins, Corks, Kildares and Donegals. Those are the top 5 teams in Country. We're in the 6-10 bracket. For the league and McKenna Cup, there should be a focus on playing McKenna et al even if that means relegation in a tough Division 1. At the same stage of development of the 98 class, O'Neill had won an All Star at 11, McAnallen had won Young Player of the Year and represented Ulster and Ireland. How many of the 08 class have even threatened to do that? Peter Harte for all his potential and displays in the league, simply hasn't produced it on the big stage these last few years. The other like McNabb and Coney have been injured although the potential is there. A team like this should be conisdered forearly next year with a view for next year's championship; McConnell, Quinn, Clarke, Carlin, McNabb, Justin McMahon, Harte, Gormley, Cassidy, McKenna, S O'Neill, Joe, Penrose, Coney and R O'Neill
i agree with all that in those last few posts,
as hostile a crowd as i have ever seen at a gaa game.
As you say , tyrone are no angels (nor are any top level team) but the kerry cynical fouling was a level above anything i have ever seen from tyrone, yet it certainly wont be highlighted in the media the way negative stuff was written about tryone.
kerry fully derseved the victory yesterday,we are quite abit behind them now at this stage, but i'm sure that victory wont be tainted in the media, the way the seemed to try and taint any victory we had over them
colderick was appalling and shouldnt referee another game all summer
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2012, 09:49:14 AM
i agree with all that in those last few posts,
as hostile a crowd as i have ever seen at a gaa game.
As you say , tyrone are no angels (nor are any top level team) but the kerry cynical fouling was a level above anything i have ever seen from tyrone, yet it certainly wont be highlighted in the media the way negative stuff was written about tryone.
kerry fully derseved the victory yesterday,we are quite abit behind them now at this stage, but i'm sure that victory wont be tainted in the media, the way the seemed to try and taint any victory we had over them
colderick was appalling and shouldnt referee another game all summer
I saw on twitter Ewan McKenna noted it and he said he has an article coming out this week on Kerry's fouling. Over 20 fouls on the Tyrone full back line.
Quote from: Christmas Lights on July 22, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
I predicted in the Donegal vs Tyrone match thread a few weeks ago after the game that Tyrone would get hammered again in a similar vein to the Dublin game last year when they met one of the "big guns" this year and yesterday proved that.
Tyrone at the moment are playing a horrible brand of football at the minute, lets be honest about that.
Short kick outs to a man standing on his own 20 meter line and then try and work the ball up to the scoring position by "bursting" through tackles and short passing it back or sideroads is not only hard to watch, its actually unreasonable to ask players to do this.
There is no way you can get fit enough to play that type of game, by the time tyrone players worked the ball up to a scoring position, they where that wrecked from taking tackles and punishing running that in the end up most of the attacks where easily over-turned and Kerry broke with space everywhere which the kerry forwards completely revelled in.
Tyrone have given up the old age adage that you let the BALL DO THE WORK. Tyrone are doing all the work for the ball. Its horrible, physically & mentally exhausting and highly unintelligent football. Really think Tyrone need to look at their style of play and change it otherwise they will continue to go backwards even in a transition period.
You have hit the nail on the head - Tyrone have had 2 trouncings in 2 years. The running game looks good in the league because the opposition are not up to the speed required but come the championship we are found out. By the time the ball gets to midfield the 2 man full forward line will have 5 men marking them so they never see the ball. To receive any ball then they usually have to run to the wing and are about 40 yards out where they end up turning into 3 defenders. There was only one decent ball played in all game to the front of goal - McCurry turned and hit a fine point. By having 2 legitimate half forwards (i.e. not having them play half back) we might find that we will score more and might actually find it easier to defend because the opposition half backs will actually have to do their primary job instead of bombing forward. Tyrone at their best in the last decade mixed good foot passing with a good running game. The running game will always fail in Croke Park because by the last ten minutes you'll have run out a gas and have nobody to hit the ball to since you'll be all sitting back in defense (as the pundits would say 'you've lost your shape').
I do believe that the players are good enough - given a full hand you would have to pick a full forward line from Coney, The 2 O'Neills, McCurry, Mulligan and Penrose but given the system we have now you could have Frankie Donnelly, Frank McGuigan and Peter the Great in there and your half backs will still score more than them.
Jesus lads ye would need to catch yourselves on. "Oh the mean Kerry people called us names and their players were mean to our poor lads as well".
I've been to many a Tyrone v Derry match with an 'atmosphere' so don't start acting like this is some kind of new thing or that Tyrone fans are some kind of 'holier than thou' bunch of angels. The All Ireland teams would have relished that atmosphere for a game and would have won that game at all costs. All that Saturday demonstrated was that Tyrone have fallen down the pecking order and have a lot of work to do.
As much as it pains me to agree with him rrhf has the right idea. The best team won, don't forget the game but get back to the drawing board so that next time you get the victory down there!
I'm enjoying this..Tyronies are seriously going on about the verbals from some Kerry fans "they really meant it!" ffs! Jayzus, the abuse some of the Derry players take from the Healy Pk faithful wouldn't even compare. On the pitch, Kerry played Tyrone at their own game, the cynicism, the playacting, verbals etc and won easily. You cannot have it both ways.
sad to hear that some of the crowd's behaviour was poor (nothing wrong with a bit of banter). those involved need to be mindful of what the game's about. have pride and be passionate about your county, but never let it get out of control and descend into treating others like that. they should be ashamed of themselves.
Quote from: J OGorman on July 23, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
I'm enjoying this..Tyronies are seriously going on about the verbals from some Kerry fans "they really meant it!" ffs! Jayzus, the abuse some of the Derry players take from the Healy Pk faithful wouldn't even compare. On the pitch, Kerry played Tyrone at their own game, the cynicism, the playacting, verbals etc and won easily. You cannot have it both ways.
don't be silly. you have to have standards.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 22, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
Tyrone are still way ahead of Armagh who in turn are miles ahead of Derry.
I wouldn't say that, Tyrone only managed to get past Armagh because of our inept sideline and sh*t decision making.
Quote from: cadence on July 23, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 23, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
I'm enjoying this..Tyronies are seriously going on about the verbals from some Kerry fans "they really meant it!" ffs! Jayzus, the abuse some of the Derry players take from the Healy Pk faithful wouldn't even compare. On the pitch, Kerry played Tyrone at their own game, the cynicism, the playacting, verbals etc and won easily. You cannot have it both ways.
don't be silly. you have to have standards.
I take my kids to the matches, of course you have to have standards !
Quote from: J OGorman on July 23, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
I'm enjoying this..Tyronies are seriously going on about the verbals from some Kerry fans "they really meant it!" ffs! Jayzus, the abuse some of the Derry players take from the Healy Pk faithful wouldn't even compare. On the pitch, Kerry played Tyrone at their own game, the cynicism, the playacting, verbals etc and won easily. You cannot have it both ways.
i have been at those tyrone v derry games aswell, and there certainly can be a bit of venom in the crowd alright, but believe me, i was in kilarney on saturday and i have never heard it on such a mass scale before.
obviously there were alot of kerry folk that where grand, but overall the mood in the crowd was incredible, and it certainly translated through to the players (kerry where more up for a game than i have ever seen them) and the referee aswell, who completly bottled it
Hostile crowd, posionous atmosphere, abuse, fans spitting venom... Welcome to any Derry v Tyrone match at Healy Park, Celtic Park, Clones or Casement. Some people on here must not attend these games or are blind, deaf and dumb to the antics of their own fans.
As for the Kerry tactics, Derry did exactly the same in 2006 in Omagh. Derry won by 6pts. Hub Hughes got sent off due to thumping Hinphey. Nothing was learned from that day with how to cope with that game plan.
Coldrick should have just booked everyone at half time and told them any more guff from any one and you're off.
I'd have hated to ref that match.
Mickey Harte has admitted he had "concerns" when he heard David Coldrick had been appointed to referee Saturday's qualifier against Kerry.
Harte branded the red card that Coldrick showed to Brian McGuigan -- on the field some 30 seconds before he barged into Declan O'Sullivan's back in an off-the-ball incident -- as "ridiculous."
"I have to say I was (concerned). I'm not taking this position now because were beaten, that we're blaming the referee. He didn't beat us.
"But again, what influence do people like this have on these games? That's the third game that he did (he also took charge of the Division 2 league final against Kildare and the Ulster semi-final against Donegal -- both games that Tyrone lost) and I said myself that I don't feel he benefits our team. Take what you want out of that."
Edgy
Harte expressed his disappointment with the high number of yellow cards (16) that Coldrick produced in an edgy, fractious game.
"I thought that we had left that behind us when Pat McEnaney came in to look after referees, in that he was sending the message out that you don't need a plethora of yellow cards.
"But it didn't seem to get the message through to this man today. Every other game I have seen in the championship to date, I have seen the card-count go way down. I thought it made for better games. That didn't happen today."
Coldrick, though, is considered one of the more reluctant referees to show cards.
And just as he did in the Donegal game, he gave more frees to Tyrone than he did to their opponents.
But he incurred Harte's wrath for sending off McGuigan, a player who may now bring his career to an end, having come out of retirement earlier this summer.
"I'm disgusted with the red card. There was no merit in that at all for any referee," Harte said.
"It was harsh. I don't believe running into somebody with your shoulder is a sending-off offence. I haven't seen much of it in my time in football.
"I don't think with the kind of tackling that was going on there today that it was a red-card offence.
"Yes it was a foul, it was petulant and it happened -- but to give a red card for it, I thought it was quite ridiculous.
"Without a doubt it made a difference. Kerry are hard enough to play with 15 men. When you are playing them with 14 men -- and you are struggling anyway to come to terms with the power and pace of them -- it became a damage limitation job for us, and I don't think we made a good fist of that."
Harte commented on the level of respect he and his team had received since landing in Kerry earlier in the day.
"The (Kerry) people are most respectful of Tyrone and Tyrone football, and that's all I got from when I came down here today -- total respect from all the people who I met."
- Colm Keys
Quote from: J OGorman on July 23, 2012, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: cadence on July 23, 2012, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on July 23, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
I'm enjoying this..Tyronies are seriously going on about the verbals from some Kerry fans "they really meant it!" ffs! Jayzus, the abuse some of the Derry players take from the Healy Pk faithful wouldn't even compare. On the pitch, Kerry played Tyrone at their own game, the cynicism, the playacting, verbals etc and won easily. You cannot have it both ways.
don't be silly. you have to have standards.
I take my kids to the matches, of course you have to have standards !
that's good... and i'm glad you feel like you can. it should never be the done thing to target vitriol, abuse and aggressive behaviour en masse towards other fans. that stuff can never be deemed just a bit of crack.
if some tyrone fans are saying they felt it got nasty, it's not the way it's supposed to be...
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Mickey Harte would need to wind his neck in it looks like he's trying to Scapegoat Coldrick for the 3 losses they have suffered this year to try and keep the Tyrone people on side and keep the job.
They were well beaten in all 3 games and the referee has had very little to do with it. Yes he made a mistake yesterday but as has been said he gave Tyrone more frees than Kerry so he clearly wasn't biased he just made a mistake!
Should Coldrick come out and say that the Tyrone management team made a mistake in bringing Brian McGuigan and McMenamin back in the team? No! So why then should Mickey Harte start criticising Coldrick when he makes a mistake?
The pain wanes.
The behaviour of the Kerry fans shows how deep the hurt was these last 9 years. They must've been miserable. That release will do them good and there'll be a bigger turkey on the table this Christmas. Remember the venomous game in Omagh a while ago? I wasn't at it but was led to believe the atmosphere was similar.
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
The boys of the old brigade never gave up. Aidan O'Mahony and Tomas O Se played as if their years of toil were no more than a scroll back through an online calendar. Marc O Se of the mazy ways is the best defender in Ireland.
Eoin Brosnan was clever and cool. Declan O'Sullivan kicked points while he was hanging off the side of his marker like a Cossack trick rider.
Kieran Donaghy is back and in his glorious pomp.
Killian Young and Donnacha Walsh served shorter sentences in the Tyrone jail and they, too, gave their all.
And the Gooch would find space for a Giant Sequoia in a box of matches.
It is, indeed, a tribute to Tyrone that this win means so much to us. Three times they plundered the family silver from our grasp and on each occasion they were the better team.
Alas, a few of their number let the county down. There were bad tackles from both sides, but it was persistent from Tyrone.
However, then you had Eoin Mulligan, scorer of the wonder-goal that changed a county's destiny. He wore a Kerry jersey and mixed with the crowd after the game.
This is the Tyrone we will focus on, the Tyrone of Peter Canavan, Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher. Footballing immortals all.
Mickey Harte looked tired and a little frail as he offered his congratulations to the Kerry team.
He will be back and we wish him well.
No doubt Mickey will spend the rest of the summer minding his family and maybe taking a few sessions with the U-12s.
Like most of us, he is hopelessly in thrall to the holy game of Gaelic football.
Yes, on days like this, it is a holy game and the Kerry goal was fashioned from a mesmeric combination of skill, brains, speed and guile.
When we attack all out, with no feck-acting, football becomes a great game again.
Kerry brought in pace and fresh faces.
We now have a bench that can change games, like Darran O'Sullivan did against Westmeath when he kept us in the championship
New boy Shane Enright messed up with his first touch, but he wasn't going to look back and he marked the north Kerry way, on the shoulder, hard and fast.
James O'Donoghue has speed and balance. He is a Kerry footballer to his very core.
The old ghosts who haunt this stadium must have leapt for joy at the sight of the high fielding from Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher.
They not only jumped over their opponents, but through them as well, a la Darragh O Se.
Goalkeeper Brendan Kealy steered the ball to his outside men with a perfect joystick. I'd hate to have to take him on at Playstation.
tackle
Paul Galvin was a DJ on Radio Kerry the night before the game and he set the tone with his Man of the Match rap. Galvin won every breaking ball and he threw himself headlong into every tackle.
This was the winning of it.
And what about Jack O'Connor? Last week the manager was only a wave of a flag from the sack. He got all the calls right this time.
Jack will tell his boys we've won nothing yet, but this was stand-alone history. Now he can face Mickey Harte as an equal.
Eamon Fitzmaurice and Diarmuid Murphy are his two sound lieutenants. Both are football past pupils and close friends.
Ger O'Keeffe is the man from the Golden Years who has been with Jack from the start.
His Kerry players seethed at the suggestion we were scared of the north. Our integrity as a county and our courage as a race of people was put into question.
Oh but the critics must feel very silly, indeed, this morning.
Not one Kerry man stood back. Not one Kerry man gave in.
The Emperor wears clothes. The Emperor wears green and gold.
- Billy Keane
Irish Independent
Quote from: screenexile on July 23, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
Mickey Harte would need to wind his neck in it looks like he's trying to Scapegoat Coldrick for the 3 losses they have suffered this year to try and keep the Tyrone people on side and keep the job.
They were well beaten in all 3 games and the referee has had very little to do with it. Yes he made a mistake yesterday but as has been said he gave Tyrone more frees than Kerry so he clearly wasn't biased he just made a mistake!
Should Coldrick come out and say that the Tyrone management team made a mistake in bringing Brian McGuigan and McMenamin back in the team? No! So why then should Mickey Harte start criticising Coldrick when he makes a mistake?
Yea, you are right. Referees should be completely immune from criticism. That is how we will improve the dismal level of refereeing of our games. ::)
Catch yourself on..
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 23, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 22, 2012, 02:11:29 PM
Tyrone are still way ahead of Armagh who in turn are miles ahead of Derry.
I wouldn't say that, Tyrone only managed to get past Armagh because of our inept sideline and sh*t decision making.
Roscommon results?
"This was as good as an All-Ireland"
sure it was
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
The boys of the old brigade never gave up. Aidan O'Mahony and Tomas O Se played as if their years of toil were no more than a scroll back through an online calendar. Marc O Se of the mazy ways is the best defender in Ireland.
Eoin Brosnan was clever and cool. Declan O'Sullivan kicked points while he was hanging off the side of his marker like a Cossack trick rider.
Kieran Donaghy is back and in his glorious pomp.
Killian Young and Donnacha Walsh served shorter sentences in the Tyrone jail and they, too, gave their all.
And the Gooch would find space for a Giant Sequoia in a box of matches.
It is, indeed, a tribute to Tyrone that this win means so much to us. Three times they plundered the family silver from our grasp and on each occasion they were the better team.
Alas, a few of their number let the county down. There were bad tackles from both sides, but it was persistent from Tyrone.
However, then you had Eoin Mulligan, scorer of the wonder-goal that changed a county's destiny. He wore a Kerry jersey and mixed with the crowd after the game.
This is the Tyrone we will focus on, the Tyrone of Peter Canavan, Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher. Footballing immortals all.
Mickey Harte looked tired and a little frail as he offered his congratulations to the Kerry team.
He will be back and we wish him well.
No doubt Mickey will spend the rest of the summer minding his family and maybe taking a few sessions with the U-12s.
Like most of us, he is hopelessly in thrall to the holy game of Gaelic football.
Yes, on days like this, it is a holy game and the Kerry goal was fashioned from a mesmeric combination of skill, brains, speed and guile.
When we attack all out, with no feck-acting, football becomes a great game again.
Kerry brought in pace and fresh faces.
We now have a bench that can change games, like Darran O'Sullivan did against Westmeath when he kept us in the championship
New boy Shane Enright messed up with his first touch, but he wasn't going to look back and he marked the north Kerry way, on the shoulder, hard and fast.
James O'Donoghue has speed and balance. He is a Kerry footballer to his very core.
The old ghosts who haunt this stadium must have leapt for joy at the sight of the high fielding from Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher.
They not only jumped over their opponents, but through them as well, a la Darragh O Se.
Goalkeeper Brendan Kealy steered the ball to his outside men with a perfect joystick. I'd hate to have to take him on at Playstation.
tackle
Paul Galvin was a DJ on Radio Kerry the night before the game and he set the tone with his Man of the Match rap. Galvin won every breaking ball and he threw himself headlong into every tackle.
This was the winning of it.
And what about Jack O'Connor? Last week the manager was only a wave of a flag from the sack. He got all the calls right this time.
Jack will tell his boys we've won nothing yet, but this was stand-alone history. Now he can face Mickey Harte as an equal.Eamon Fitzmaurice and Diarmuid Murphy are his two sound lieutenants. Both are football past pupils and close friends.
Ger O'Keeffe is the man from the Golden Years who has been with Jack from the start.
His Kerry players seethed at the suggestion we were scared of the north. Our integrity as a county and our courage as a race of people was put into question.
Oh but the critics must feel very silly, indeed, this morning.
Not one Kerry man stood back. Not one Kerry man gave in.
The Emperor wears clothes. The Emperor wears green and gold.
- Billy Keane
Irish Independent
Sure thing Billy.
Quote from: screenexile on July 23, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
They were well beaten in all 3 games and the referee has had very little to do with it. Yes he made a mistake yesterday but as has been said he gave Tyrone more frees than Kerry so he clearly wasn't biased he just made a mistake!
Er - don't get your logic there - Kerry may have fouled four times more than Tyrone but the ref ignored half of them - still leaves room for bias and having Kerry with a higher foul count. Of course I'm not saying that was the case, just pointing out that your reasoning seems wrong to me.
Had Kerry played a Tyrone team that resembled the '03, '05 and '08 team then the performances could be compared, but for Tyrone (unlike Kerry), it was apples and oranges. We're not as good as we were because we've lost some fantastic players - but those players still remain unbeaten by Kerry. Had they played last year, the result may have been the same as Saturday's but it would have resulted in a switch in bragging rights as certain Tyrone players from the old vintage would have been on the pitch. I'm glad they weren't to be honest!
Kerry celebrations seemed a bit silly to me - perhaps postpone until the All Ireland final is won (a real possibility).
QuoteAlas, a few of their number let the county down. There were bad tackles from both sides, but it was persistent from Tyrone
Jesus what game was he at?
the kerry loving media go into overdrive again
Quote from: TY14ED on July 23, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
How is it that very few in the media seem prepared to take Kerry to task for their actions?
Kerry have a lot of heads in the media who are only too willing to propagate the 'Kerry are the Brazil of Gaelic Football' mantra.
Billy Keane's misty-eyed homage ("The Emperor wears green and gold") in today's Independent is a classic example of blissfully ignoring some of the darker arts of Kerry's play last Saturday which you highlighted. Then you have Spillane on the Sunday Game and we all know what to expect from Pat at this stage. The sports editor of the Kerry Exami...sorry the Irish Examiner is from Kerry and has a couple of willing foot soldiers on the staff to toe the party line. Look at the reaction of Tony Leen and John Fogarty yesterday on Twitter when Ewan MacKenna dared to highlight some of the systematic fouling Kerry did in the second half.
Over in the Irish Times you have Daragh O'Se and John O'Keeffe as the main football columnists and so it goes. Daragh's column are an enjoyable read for the most part but he tends to be selective of what he wants to highlight. He wrote a lengthy piece last week on Cork's new-found cynical streak but naturally enough would be slow to repeat any similar accusations against his own county. It is all fairly harmless stuff but sure who knows if you throw enough muck out there it may influence a refereeing decision somewhere down the line.
Meanwhile a lot of the other journalists, particularly on RTE who cover the GAA tend to be lazy or just bad at what they do and generally revert to cliched analysis as their default mode. Certain counties are labelled with various characteristics and this line of thinking is rehashed at every opportunity. Kerry play traditional clean football, Cork are big and strong, Kildare are fit but don't have scoring forwards, and so forth. It is an easy way to make a living and fair play to them for getting away with it. There are notable exceptions of course and they are some really good GAA journalists out there but they are in the minority.
Ref wise: Coldrick or whoever reffed this match was in for a rough ride. Sat's match was no different to a club championship match. The history that precedes the match, the media build up, the unsettled scores etc. Tyrone v Kerry in the championship, all the 'team of the decade' stuff, bragging rights etc etc...,
The fans of both counties would have looked forward to it nervously. Most of neutrals would be taking a ringside seat and waiting for the fireworks. Look its grand for a manager to come out after a game and have a go at the ref, fair enough. But the same manager and his players also have to take responsibility. You cant expect certain players to play over the edge and not get yellow carded. Its also hard to expect certain sections of the crowd not to respond to this either...its a 2 way street.
As a neutral watching this match on TV3 I would make the following observations. Both sets of players involved themselves in unnecessary baiting of opponents. Donaghy was by far the biggest culprit but McMenamin was a close second. Kerry out muscled Tyrone and although I thought Coldrick was a home town official he did not beat Tyrone. He sent McGuigan off on the advice of the linesman who had a limited view of what happened. I have to say that it looked like a straight red on TV in real time so I can understand why it was produced. You have to say McGuigan shouldn't have got involved though. Towards the end the Kerry number 22 was involved in a striking incident which got him only a yellow...inconsistency Mr Coldrick. And by the by Benny Coulters dig at Mark McHugh yesterday was also worse yet Mr Inconsistency McQuillan gave yellow. That said Kerry looked awesome they have adopted the best of Northern football and have some tidy footballers to boot. It must be the Tyroneman in Donaghy though he is as big a pr**k on the park as Ricey.
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
whaat he said.
I am not sure there is any Ref could referee that game where both sets of players are out to 'push the envelope'
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
A lot of truth in what you say, as a neutral though I did think the crowd swayed him. He is a better Ref than he showed on Saturday, but I accept that the players did make it hard.
Quote from: Rois on July 23, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 23, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
They were well beaten in all 3 games and the referee has had very little to do with it. Yes he made a mistake yesterday but as has been said he gave Tyrone more frees than Kerry so he clearly wasn't biased he just made a mistake!
Er - don't get your logic there - Kerry may have fouled four times more than Tyrone but the ref ignored half of them - still leaves room for bias and having Kerry with a higher foul count. Of course I'm not saying that was the case, just pointing out that your reasoning seems wrong to me.
Had Kerry played a Tyrone team that resembled the '03, '05 and '08 team then the performances could be compared, but for Tyrone (unlike Kerry), it was apples and oranges. We're not as good as we were because we've lost some fantastic players - but those players still remain unbeaten by Kerry. Had they played last year, the result may have been the same as Saturday's but it would have resulted in a switch in bragging rights as certain Tyrone players from the old vintage would have been on the pitch. I'm glad they weren't to be honest!
Kerry celebrations seemed a bit silly to me - perhaps postpone until the All Ireland final is won (a real possibility).
Kerry were deprived of 2 All-Irelands by Tyrone (possibly3), but still managed to win 4 others. Tyrone have had a great decade, but to Kerry a great decade would have been winning 7 of them.
They didn't beat the great Tyrone team yesterday, just the remnants of one but one with more of the cynical remnants. Hard to credit some of the Tyrone ott sensitivity about meeting a proud team that were not going to submit on their home ground.
What was the difference with the effective way Tyrone handled the high ball tactic to Donaghy way back in 2008, compared to yesterday?
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
I'd agree with the gist of that. I though Coldrick did well in the 1st half to take the steam out the game when it was for sure that the tempers were going to go into overdrive.
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Well said Hardy. People are too quick to slate referees and absolve the players on the field for their behaviour. Players need to take responsibility for their own actions. McGuigan's sending off was harsh but what was he playing at charging into O'Sullivan anyway? Tyrone badly needed scores at that stage and any flashpoints were just going to waste time and play into Kerry's hands. Such an experienced player should have had more cop on. He should have been pulling Tyrone players out of any messing and trying to refocus them to get up the field and launch a comeback.
Footballers around the country could learn a lot from their hurling counterparts. Referees in hurling do let a lot go but it's a rarity to see a hurler going down easily and trying to con a referee. There were players on both sides last Saturday who are model sportsmen and are a credit to their respective counties. I'm thinking of the likes of Marc Ó Sé and Steven O'Neill. Guys who just go out and get on with the game. No diving, no mouthing and no whinging when someone else gives them hard belt. It's a pity some of their colleagues don't follow their example and not engage in some of the pointless unsporting behaviour that only serves to fire up their opponents. Why for example did Conor Gormley feel the need to drive the ball into Tomás Ó Sé's ribs after the Tyrone goal? If players are going to engage in that sort of nonsense then don't blame the referee when the inevitable flashpoints and sendings off occur.
Congratulations to Kerry they beat a Tyrone team in transition. It meant more to them and this was evident by post match interviews and celebrations during and immediately after the game. Tyrone have been held in high regard over the last few years when in reality they were in the chasing pack. Yes they are probably second best team in Ulster (Armagh and Derry are as far behind them as Tyrone are from Kerry) with Down comparable. But the pecking order is Donegal Dublin and Cork then Kerry then a few others but none of which hold a significant threat.
Gooch, Donaghy, Galvin, O Sullivan x 2 in the forward line and add in an o Se or two and thats no bad team. All the talk about refs dirty tactics etc is only smoke and mirrors. The fact is Tyrone are nowhere near the AI winning team they had. The FB and FF ARE STILL TEENAGERS so that 's something to take out of the game. I just hope that these other players see an opportunity to make it at senior level. Tyrone have a large number of talented players but they need to show the grit and determination to succeed at senior level. Tyrone people might now take time to appreciate the players that they had and the team that provided AI success.
I wish Kerry all the best and hope Tyrone can regroup and introduce at least 12 new players and that a few others will stay injury free next year.
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Don't agree at all. Coldrick allowed an extremely cynical game to develop by not punishing episodes of gamesmanship. He turned a blind eye to umpteen incidents and allowed a bitty game to develop. An early indication that he was not going to take any crap like that as a good ref would may have left us with a feast. He had a poor game.
Exactly - Meath have had much too much a say in Tyrone disappointments over the years.
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Things like this early on set the tone for the day. The GAA crowd are an easily influenced one. Only in June was Brolly blasted for his incorrect attack on Tyrone against Armagh-that match was played in a sportsmanlike manner, as were the Donegal and Roscommon matches, as were most if not all of the league games.
'Tyrone being out-Tyroned' is the catch-phrase of the moment-even the Sunday game played clips from 9 years ago and tried to compare them to Kerry (the Kerry clips lame comparisons to that famous match). Pathetic bowing to the sensationalist clap-trap that totally disregards the discipline achieved by many of the new and old Tyrone faces over this past few years. Have hardly heard Ricey or Gormley mentioned until this game. Think for yourselves.
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Things like this early on set the tone for the day. The GAA crowd are an easily influenced one. Only in June was Brolly blasted for his incorrect attack on Tyrone against Armagh-that match was played in a sportsmanlike manner, as were the Donegal and Roscommon matches, as were most if not all of the league games.
'Tyrone being out-Tyroned' is the catch-phrase of the moment-even the Sunday game played clips from 9 years ago and tried to compare them to Kerry (the Kerry clips lame comparisons to that famous match). Pathetic bowing to the sensationalist clap-trap that totally disregards the discipline achieved by many of the new and old Tyrone faces over this past few years. Have hardly heard Ricey or Gormley mentioned until this game. Think for yourselves.
Tyrone bing out-Tyroned is the most annoying, lazy analysis I have heard and has been going about a few years now but it just takes one tube in a studio to say it and the rest of the analysts will use it flat out for the rest of the show.
What it means to me is that Tyrone can have no justifiable complaints about being out-Tyroned in a game.
But obviously Tyrone did not win games in the past, just based on their Tyroning ability.
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Don't agree at all. Coldrick allowed an extremely cynical game to develop by not punishing episodes of gamesmanship. He turned a blind eye to umpteen incidents and allowed a bitty game to develop. An early indication that he was not going to take any crap like that as a good ref would may have left us with a feast. He had a poor game.
The first sentence of my post made the point that seems to be your conclusion. "Look what he let us do" is no reasonable refuge for a group of adults, many of whom probably fancy themselves as role models. Even if we allow your proposition that it's the referee's fault if players refuse to behave themselves, what would you have had him do other than hand out the half-dozen or so cards he issued in the first fifteen minutes or thereabouts? In the absence of a red card offence, I don't think he had any other weapons in his armoury than the naughty step sanction that is the yellow card.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Don't agree at all. Coldrick allowed an extremely cynical game to develop by not punishing episodes of gamesmanship. He turned a blind eye to umpteen incidents and allowed a bitty game to develop. An early indication that he was not going to take any crap like that as a good ref would may have left us with a feast. He had a poor game.
so he should have shown even more yellow cards early on? this would have stopped more players intent on acting the maggot from doing so. you're damned if you do......
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2012, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 23, 2012, 12:44:09 PM
Coldrick deserves some criticism for poor decision-making, but within the confines of fair comment, taking into account the constraints of the job, etc. However, few of the partisans here seems prepared to dish out the more severe criticism due to the majority of players on both sides actively setting out to make his job next to impossible by trying to con him and cheat each other, diving, mouthing, getting in his face at every opportunity and generally behaving like a crowd of boozed-up teenagers outside the chipper on a Saturday night. The problem with that game was not the behaviour of the referee but that of the players.
Well said Hardy. People are too quick to slate referees and absolve the players on the field for their behaviour. Players need to take responsibility for their own actions. McGuigan's sending off was harsh but what was he playing at charging into O'Sullivan anyway? Tyrone badly needed scores at that stage and any flashpoints were just going to waste time and play into Kerry's hands. Such an experienced player should have had more cop on. He should have been pulling Tyrone players out of any messing and trying to refocus them to get up the field and launch a comeback.
Footballers around the country could learn a lot from their hurling counterparts. Referees in hurling do let a lot go but it's a rarity to see a hurler going down easily and trying to con a referee. There were players on both sides last Saturday who are model sportsmen and are a credit to their respective counties. I'm thinking of the likes of Marc Ó Sé and Steven O'Neill. Guys who just go out and get on with the game. No diving, no mouthing and no whinging when someone else gives them hard belt. It's a pity some of their colleagues don't follow their example and not engage in some of the pointless unsporting behaviour that only serves to fire up their opponents. Why for example did Conor Gormley feel the need to drive the ball into Tomás Ó Sé's ribs after the Tyrone goal? If players are going to engage in that sort of nonsense then don't blame the referee when the inevitable flashpoints and sendings off occur.
I don't think Coldrick was particularly a factor in the Kerry win but he had a poor game. It would be great if all 30 players played within the rules all the time. But they don't and that is why a referee is required. A referee is not responsible for the behaviour of players but he is responsible for dealing with that behaviour. To take just one incident, it was not Coldrick's fault that Curtin elbowed Cavanagh after the play has stopped but it was his fault that Curtin was not given the line as the rules/laws/guidance demand.
He handed out yellows like confetti to some offences that were a reactIon to an initial indiscretion being ignored. That turned the game into a mess. 3 supercharged Tyrone-Kerry affairs were handled admirably before - especially the 2008 final which had the capacity to explode. He yellowed lads when a chat was needed. He ignored cynical fouling. In my opinion, he got so much wrong which led to a poor spectacle. All refs set a standard of acceptability early on. His was all over the joint.
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 02:26:16 PM
He handed out yellows like confetti to some offences that were a reactIon to an initial indiscretion being ignored. That turned the game into a mess. 3 supercharged Tyrone-Kerry affairs were handled admirably before - especially the 2008 final which had the capacity to explode. He yellowed lads when a chat was needed. He ignored cynical fouling. In my opinion, he got so much wrong which led to a poor spectacle. All refs set a standard of acceptability early on. His was all over the joint.
so Gormley, McMenamin for starters should have been shown the line? The Kerry sub should have been shown the line late on for the forearm smash. Where would that have left Tyrone in the grand scheme of things? Look, for the last decade Tyrone have been right up there in regards sledging, diving, cynicism etc...Kerry matched them in all departments on Sat, ie out Tyroned Tyrone (!). If blame needs a home, the Tyrone players playing outside the rules are as much to blame as Coldrick. Just take the defeat and move on
I've never indicated Kerry were the aggressors. Nothing to do with taking defeats. I have no gripes with the result whatsoever. But Coldrick typifies the ineptitude that blights football. And he's from Meath.
By the way the nasty, sometimes, untruthful and disrespectful stuff written about players and teams before games heightens the tensions within the game. This helped create an artificial level of animosity and aggression, and helped stir the crowd to be way "too up" for the game. I believe negative hype which we seen had limited grounding the week before for Seanie Js return to Cavan. For all intense purposes we are all listening and going with it. It really is influencing us and not in the best way.
My issue with Coldrick is that he is simply out of his depth - he forgets basic rules of the game (such as steps, throw-balls, charging, proportionate punishments, etc.) with a relentless inconsistent regularity. This then inevitably leads to players' frustrations, which then descends into the kind of spectacle we witnessed on Saturday last.
He was not, however, the reason why we lost; Kerry played the better football and were worthy winners. Work to be done, and plenty of it.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PMI'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
Best post in the thread - why don't people like fun anymore?
There was no fun watching this debacle, I don't know what the purpose of complaining about the referee is because the two teams were like two old heavyweight boxers back in the fifties where they came out for the first round, duly put their arms around each other and hung out of each other without throwing a punch for about ten rounds. Using the depressive actions of a Cork team as a comparison surely puts the icing on the cake because outside of Joe McCarthy from the Dixie's half of them suffer from Keanitis and would depress an outright Euromillions winner. They should bring in something like an NCT test for the likes of these teams who want to play the type game that was dished up in Killarney and see if the players can actually kick the ball to each other from more than 20 yards, or get the ball from one end of the field in less than 35 handpasses, or maybe bring them to a Kildare, Galway or Laois game before the riggers from RTE arrive on site to waste good television licence payers money.
Quote from: rrhf on July 23, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
By the way the nasty, sometimes, untruthful and disrespectful stuff written about players and teams before games heightens the tensions within the game. This helped create an artificial level of animosity and aggression, and helped stir the crowd to be way "too up" for the game. I believe negative hype which we seen had limited grounding the week before for Seanie Js return to Cavan. For all intense purposes we are all listening and going with it. It really is influencing us and not in the best way.
Good point (p.s. 'intents and purposes.')
Quote from: Keane on July 23, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PMI'm the opposite. I actually love to see players revelling in victory. There's too much emphasis on 'bigger picture' bullshit and codology in modern day GAA and it's refreshing to see players elated with a single win.
One of the most depressing sights I've ever witnessed in Gaelic Football was the reaction of Cork's players when the final whistle went, after a tremendous comeback won them the National League final last year. No cheers, no smiling, no celebrations. It was like a wake.
Hopefully Kerry's celebratory style will begin the antidote to this lack of happiness.
Best post in the thread - why don't people like fun anymore?
I agree. Celebrations add to a game. Who'll ever forget Darby's little dance in '82 after he scored the goal.
Quote from: drici on July 23, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
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This shows the legendary status Mickey enjoys everywhere. Nice touch by the fans and by Mickey.
Coldrick had it in his head to throw out a few yellow cards early on thinking that would mean he was in control, however this gave him nowhere to go as a strong word with a few players early on would have had greater impact and still left him with the yellow card option. As it turned out he had booked that many players he was in danger of ruining the game completely by sending off a load of players for two yellows and he didnt have the balls to do that which meant he lost control. The McGuigan sending off was ridiculous but was an example of a deceaion made by a ref who knew his position was undermined and at that stage he had bowed to home pressure. It's a tough job, but the players and spectators deserve refs who are up to the job.
Quote from: drici on July 23, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
tv3 commentators must of had money on kerry
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
The boys of the old brigade never gave up. Aidan O'Mahony and Tomas O Se played as if their years of toil were no more than a scroll back through an online calendar. Marc O Se of the mazy ways is the best defender in Ireland.
Eoin Brosnan was clever and cool. Declan O'Sullivan kicked points while he was hanging off the side of his marker like a Cossack trick rider.
Kieran Donaghy is back and in his glorious pomp.
Killian Young and Donnacha Walsh served shorter sentences in the Tyrone jail and they, too, gave their all.
And the Gooch would find space for a Giant Sequoia in a box of matches.
It is, indeed, a tribute to Tyrone that this win means so much to us. Three times they plundered the family silver from our grasp and on each occasion they were the better team.
Alas, a few of their number let the county down. There were bad tackles from both sides, but it was persistent from Tyrone.
However, then you had Eoin Mulligan, scorer of the wonder-goal that changed a county's destiny. He wore a Kerry jersey and mixed with the crowd after the game.
This is the Tyrone we will focus on, the Tyrone of Peter Canavan, Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher. Footballing immortals all.
Mickey Harte looked tired and a little frail as he offered his congratulations to the Kerry team.
He will be back and we wish him well.
No doubt Mickey will spend the rest of the summer minding his family and maybe taking a few sessions with the U-12s.
Like most of us, he is hopelessly in thrall to the holy game of Gaelic football.
Yes, on days like this, it is a holy game and the Kerry goal was fashioned from a mesmeric combination of skill, brains, speed and guile.
When we attack all out, with no feck-acting, football becomes a great game again.
Kerry brought in pace and fresh faces.
We now have a bench that can change games, like Darran O'Sullivan did against Westmeath when he kept us in the championship
New boy Shane Enright messed up with his first touch, but he wasn't going to look back and he marked the north Kerry way, on the shoulder, hard and fast.
James O'Donoghue has speed and balance. He is a Kerry footballer to his very core.
The old ghosts who haunt this stadium must have leapt for joy at the sight of the high fielding from Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher.
They not only jumped over their opponents, but through them as well, a la Darragh O Se.
Goalkeeper Brendan Kealy steered the ball to his outside men with a perfect joystick. I'd hate to have to take him on at Playstation.
tackle
Paul Galvin was a DJ on Radio Kerry the night before the game and he set the tone with his Man of the Match rap. Galvin won every breaking ball and he threw himself headlong into every tackle.
This was the winning of it.
And what about Jack O'Connor? Last week the manager was only a wave of a flag from the sack. He got all the calls right this time.
Jack will tell his boys we've won nothing yet, but this was stand-alone history. Now he can face Mickey Harte as an equal.
Eamon Fitzmaurice and Diarmuid Murphy are his two sound lieutenants. Both are football past pupils and close friends.
Ger O'Keeffe is the man from the Golden Years who has been with Jack from the start.
His Kerry players seethed at the suggestion we were scared of the north. Our integrity as a county and our courage as a race of people was put into question.
Oh but the critics must feel very silly, indeed, this morning.
Not one Kerry man stood back. Not one Kerry man gave in.
The Emperor wears clothes. The Emperor wears green and gold.
- Billy Keane
Irish Independent
Embarrassing shite.
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
The boys of the old brigade never gave up. Aidan O'Mahony and Tomas O Se played as if their years of toil were no more than a scroll back through an online calendar. Marc O Se of the mazy ways is the best defender in Ireland.
Eoin Brosnan was clever and cool. Declan O'Sullivan kicked points while he was hanging off the side of his marker like a Cossack trick rider.
Kieran Donaghy is back and in his glorious pomp.
Killian Young and Donnacha Walsh served shorter sentences in the Tyrone jail and they, too, gave their all.
And the Gooch would find space for a Giant Sequoia in a box of matches.
It is, indeed, a tribute to Tyrone that this win means so much to us. Three times they plundered the family silver from our grasp and on each occasion they were the better team.
Alas, a few of their number let the county down. There were bad tackles from both sides, but it was persistent from Tyrone.
However, then you had Eoin Mulligan, scorer of the wonder-goal that changed a county's destiny. He wore a Kerry jersey and mixed with the crowd after the game.
This is the Tyrone we will focus on, the Tyrone of Peter Canavan, Sean Cavanagh, Stephen O'Neill and Brian Dooher. Footballing immortals all.
Mickey Harte looked tired and a little frail as he offered his congratulations to the Kerry team.
He will be back and we wish him well.
No doubt Mickey will spend the rest of the summer minding his family and maybe taking a few sessions with the U-12s.
Like most of us, he is hopelessly in thrall to the holy game of Gaelic football.
Yes, on days like this, it is a holy game and the Kerry goal was fashioned from a mesmeric combination of skill, brains, speed and guile.
When we attack all out, with no feck-acting, football becomes a great game again.
Kerry brought in pace and fresh faces.
We now have a bench that can change games, like Darran O'Sullivan did against Westmeath when he kept us in the championship
New boy Shane Enright messed up with his first touch, but he wasn't going to look back and he marked the north Kerry way, on the shoulder, hard and fast.
James O'Donoghue has speed and balance. He is a Kerry footballer to his very core.
The old ghosts who haunt this stadium must have leapt for joy at the sight of the high fielding from Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher.
They not only jumped over their opponents, but through them as well, a la Darragh O Se.
Goalkeeper Brendan Kealy steered the ball to his outside men with a perfect joystick. I'd hate to have to take him on at Playstation.
tackle
Paul Galvin was a DJ on Radio Kerry the night before the game and he set the tone with his Man of the Match rap. Galvin won every breaking ball and he threw himself headlong into every tackle.
This was the winning of it.
And what about Jack O'Connor? Last week the manager was only a wave of a flag from the sack. He got all the calls right this time.
Jack will tell his boys we've won nothing yet, but this was stand-alone history. Now he can face Mickey Harte as an equal.
Eamon Fitzmaurice and Diarmuid Murphy are his two sound lieutenants. Both are football past pupils and close friends.
Ger O'Keeffe is the man from the Golden Years who has been with Jack from the start.
His Kerry players seethed at the suggestion we were scared of the north. Our integrity as a county and our courage as a race of people was put into question.
Oh but the critics must feel very silly, indeed, this morning.
Not one Kerry man stood back. Not one Kerry man gave in.
The Emperor wears clothes. The Emperor wears green and gold.
- Billy Keane
Irish Independent
Embarrassing shite.
Sure now Kerry cant bate Mayo ;)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 23, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
Embarrassing shite.
Sure now Kerry cant bate Mayo ;)
Cringeworthy stuff, a moral victory against a tired and evolving team. The truth be told this Kerry have won all their All Ireland finals versus Connacht (mostly chokers Mayo) and Munster (Cork). When push came to shove against Ulster/Leinster teams they surprisingly could not do it. Saturday, papered over the cracks, and made them feel a bit better about themselves, but lets face it, it was a backdoor game in Killarney and there was not Cup presentation after the game. To give you perspective when Mayo beat Kerry in Croker in the National League semi-final, was there big celebrations? No we had beaten our nemisis in headquarters. But we had no Cup. The results from '97, 04 and 06 still stood.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: drici on July 23, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Quote from: haranguerer on July 23, 2012, 08:18:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: drici on July 23, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Post of the day!!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 23, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2012, 06:33:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 23, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Galvin's 'rap' puts rhythm back in kerry
By Billy Keane
Monday July 23 2012
This was as good as an All-Ireland. Kerry have finally quelled the 10-year Tyrone rebellion with a 10-point win. Three defeats in a row to Tyrone cut deep -- a blot on an almost perfect career copybook.
Embarrassing shite.
Sure now Kerry cant bate Mayo ;)
Cringeworthy stuff, a moral victory against a tired and evolving team. The truth be told this Kerry have won all their All Ireland finals versus Connacht (mostly chokers Mayo) and Munster (Cork). When push came to shove against Ulster/Leinster teams they surprisingly could not do it. Saturday, papered over the cracks, and made them feel a bit better about themselves, but lets face it, it was a backdoor game in Killarney and there was not Cup presentation after the game. To give you perspective when Mayo beat Kerry in Croker in the National League semi-final, was there big celebrations? No we had beaten our nemisis in headquarters. But we had no Cup. The results from '97, 04 and 06 still stood.
Tongue in cheek ::)
From the Bunker, you're the most depressing Mayo person on this board. You're even worse than I am and that's saying something.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 23, 2012, 09:21:05 PM
From the Bunker, you're the most depressing Mayo person on this board. You're even worse than I am and that's saying something.
Like most posters this is my way of getting things of my chest, and i always like to throw things that will get some one thinking (or better still get me thinking). Sorry if i depress you with my views, but sure you'll appreciate the uplifting posts from others more. Mayo Abu!
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 23, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
BTW who was the well known Ulster coach that M McHugh on BBC alleged had helped the J O'Connor and the Kerry squad at a special 3 hour session in Dublin midweek before they went out and hammered Tyrone?
Seems strange that the same person could not have been brought/bought to Kerry to do the same job unless he was otherwise fully engaged in the Dublin area and unavailable to travel.
It was like 1601 all over again.
How many teams de ye reckon mcgeeney can train lads ffs? ::)
Kerry Mayo final then.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 23, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: drici on July 23, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Disappointed with his post-match harping on about the referee. Tyrone were soundly beaten by Kerry, yet I don't think he made any comments giving Kerry credit for the win or even saying Tyrone fell flat on the day. Entire post-match comments I've seen related to a general discourse on refereeing at inter county level. It would be understandable if there was a point or two in the difference but it's a bit ludicrous when Kerry won by ten. The referee did not affect the outcome of the game in any way.
Contrast that with the good grace with which James McCartan spoke about Donegal after Down were beaten by a similar margin yesterday.
A bit petty from Mickey Harte on this occasion.
Was hoping for us to run Kerry close and that it would be a good development step for the younger players. Didn't work out that way.
I suppose it's a compliment that Kerry folk, players and fans alike got so up for a qualifier game. Glad to give them that enjoyment after taking their sweets so many times. It reminded me of league games against Kerry when I was a young boy, about 1980 or so in Omagh, We got a win one year and I was super excited.
Brolly knew his strong words would elicit a reaction in Kerry.
"I was smiling to myself as I finished it because I had a sneaking suspicion that it might be material for the inside of Kerry's dressing room door last Saturday night.
"I have enjoyed the response — I have to have my fun as well. Where am I supposed to get my kicks?
"I'll have to write something for their dressing room door again!"
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-defiant-on-cooper-201786.html
Quote from: sheamy on July 24, 2012, 08:29:25 AM
Brolly knew his strong words would elicit a reaction in Kerry.
"I was smiling to myself as I finished it because I had a sneaking suspicion that it might be material for the inside of Kerry's dressing room door last Saturday night.
"I have enjoyed the response — I have to have my fun as well. Where am I supposed to get my kicks?
"I'll have to write something for their dressing room door again!"
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brolly-defiant-on-cooper-201786.html
So, I thought he got it completely wrong but he was only jesting to wind up Kerry. He really is as important as he believes.
No shortage of belief of his own importance and credibility. I don't know anyone who takes him seriously, let alone a county team at that level
Translated:
I was pissed at the time, sorry.
If not, do we never take anything he says or writes again seriously?
Astonishing. When you see that post match interview with Galvin, theres a deep hurt and huge honesty about it. I have nothing but admiration for Galvin, but should they have been in that situation before that. I really think the players deserve better. How can we be so flippant if we contribute to that? Had Kerry been beaten these guys would have taken these regrets to their grave, did they deserve the humiliation heaped on them despite their contribution and achievements in the past? We had an atmosphere before that game that wasnt normal in the GAA, it was highly aggressive, Joe Brolly of all people should know the significance of words and the effects they can have on people. As for the players these are our greatest asset, our sportspeople and our fellow GAA members. Shame..
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Yeah, it's a regular occurrence to see Alex Ferguson on the pitch at Anfield signing autographs for Liverpool fans and let's not forget the wonderful sight of Martin Johnson signing autographs in Croke Park for throngs of Irish fans or Bill Belchevik on the pitch at MetLife stadium signing autographs for New York giants fans.
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Yeah, it's a regular occurrence to see Alex Ferguson on the pitch at Anfield signing autographs for Liverpool fans and let's not forget the wonderful sight of Martin Johnson signing autographs in Croke Park for throngs of Irish fans or Bill Belchevik on the pitch at MetLife stadium signing autographs for New York giants fans.
None of these have ever happened. Your source is incorrect.
I see Heaney has give the beloved Kerry a going over in the Irish News!! That should keep all you Tyronies happy who were lamenting the media bias.
He did temper it though by saying they have been forced into their new tactics because of Tyrone :D
He was also wrong about the Canavan/McCarthy incident and Gooch's lovely freckles. Eff me. A Derryman saying another man has nice ginger freckles.
Kerry were most definetly fired up for this game and no wonder. It reminded me of a certain league game when Armagh played Tyrone in Omagh in 2003. A lot of hatred and bile around that day. I remember well Sean Kavanagh and Philip Jordan jumping up on the fence after the game and shaking their fists at the crowd in exuberance after their win.. And to be fair Im sure Armagh teams have reacted in similar fashion at times. Kerry had a mountain of pent -up frustration
1 The huge media questioning of Kerry's ability to beat teams in a tight finish . Armagh 02 Tyrone 03 Tyrone 05 tyrone 08 dublin 11.
2 Lack of balls when it mattered.
3 The fall out from the Derrytresk affair
4 Allegedly looking segregation at the Crokes Cross match.
5 Articles like Brolly's picking on certain Kerry individuals calling them chokers
When all this is taking into consideration ,the celebrations after the match nearly seemed mild. As for Kerry having had their day and wont go further ,seems to me like some posters are on a different planet. They are for me as a northerner, a fabulous team who play the game with great style. I have great admiration for them as I had for Tyrone in the last decade. I am so looking forward to a possible clash between Kerry and Donegal.
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Yeah, it's a regular occurrence to see Alex Ferguson on the pitch at Anfield signing autographs for Liverpool fans and let's not forget the wonderful sight of Martin Johnson signing autographs in Croke Park for throngs of Irish fans or Bill Belchevik on the pitch at MetLife stadium signing autographs for New York giants fans.
None of these have ever happened. Your source is incorrect.
i believe it was sarcasm, as haranguerers post was stupid
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
Translated:
I was pissed at the time, sorry.
If not, do we never take anything he says or writes again seriously?
Personally I don't take his articles too seriously anyway although I have no doubt a lot of people do. They are designed to provoke debate by rubbing people up the wrong way. I'll bet he has an underlying dislike for Tyrone and seen this as his way of firing Kerry up. Judging by Galvins hysterical interview and the cringeworthy Kerry reaction to a 3rd round qualifier victory it seemed to have the desired effect.
I know a lot of people don't like Brolly but personally I have to admit that when I buy the Gaelic Life it's the first article I read and I know a lot of people that do the same. It sells copies and Brolly knows this.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2012, 09:03:13 AM
Translated:
I was pissed at the time, sorry.
If not, do we never take anything he says or writes again seriously?
Personally I don't take his articles too seriously anyway although I have no doubt a lot of people do. They are designed to provoke debate by rubbing people up the wrong way. I'll bet he has an underlying dislike for Tyrone and seen this as his way of firing Kerry up. Judging by Galvins hysterical interview and the cringeworthy Kerry reaction to a 3rd round qualifier victory it seemed to have the desired effect.
I know a lot of people don't like Brolly but personally I have to admit that when I buy the Gaelic Life it's the first article I read and I know a lot of people that do the same. It sells copies and Brolly knows this.
+1
And if anyone thinks it wasn't a motivational factor for the Kerry lads and that Brolly is deluded in thinking it was; then I reckon they are the deluded ones!
Quote from: rrhf on July 24, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
Astonishing. When you see that post match interview with Galvin, theres a deep hurt and huge honesty about it. I have nothing but admiration for Galvin, but should they have been in that situation before that. I really think the players deserve better. How can we be so flippant if we contribute to that? Had Kerry been beaten these guys would have taken these regrets to their grave, did they deserve the humiliation heaped on them despite their contribution and achievements in the past? We had an atmosphere before that game that wasnt normal in the GAA, it was highly aggressive, Joe Brolly of all people should know the significance of words and the effects they can have on people. As for the players these are our greatest asset, our sportspeople and our fellow GAA members. Shame..
Great post.
Quote from: applemad on July 24, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
Kerry were most definetly fired up for this game and no wonder. It reminded me of a certain league game when Armagh played Tyrone in Omagh in 2003. A lot of hatred and bile around that day. I remember well Sean Kavanagh and Philip Jordan jumping up on the fence after the game and shaking their fists at the crowd in exuberance after their win.. And to be fair Im sure Armagh teams have reacted in similar fashion at times. Kerry had a mountain of pent -up frustration
1 The huge media questioning of Kerry's ability to beat teams in a tight finish . Armagh 02 Tyrone 03 Tyrone 05 tyrone 08 dublin 11.
2 Lack of balls when it mattered.
3 The fall out from the Derrytresk affair
4 Allegedly looking segregation at the Crokes Cross match.
5 Articles like Brolly's picking on certain Kerry individuals calling them chokers
When all this is taking into consideration ,the celebrations after the match nearly seemed mild. As for Kerry having had their day and wont go further ,seems to me like some posters are on a different planet. They are for me as a northerner, a fabulous team who play the game with great style. I have great admiration for them as I had for Tyrone in the last decade. I am so looking forward to a possible clash between Kerry and Donegal.
This did not happen. Replace the two players mentioned with a young Pascal McConnell and you may be somewhere near the truth. In short, quit talking brown.
Ahhh Moortown where have you been. That was a good post the essence of which is that competitive sport brings out those types of emotion when you conquer a gallant foe or achieve your dream. It is played out on every GAA field in the country at one time or another. To my mind it was a compliment to a once great Tyrone team from a Kerry team that saw them as the standard. Whatever about the cynicism Kerry are great exponents of the game. I personally don't like the in your face antics of a Ricey or Donaghy but to celebrate this victory was natural. Perhaps a feeling alien to the lough shore.
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Quote from: applemad on July 24, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
Kerry were most definetly fired up for this game and no wonder. It reminded me of a certain league game when Armagh played Tyrone in Omagh in 2003. A lot of hatred and bile around that day. I remember well Sean Kavanagh and Philip Jordan jumping up on the fence after the game and shaking their fists at the crowd in exuberance after their win.. And to be fair Im sure Armagh teams have reacted in similar fashion at times. Kerry had a mountain of pent -up frustration
1 The huge media questioning of Kerry's ability to beat teams in a tight finish . Armagh 02 Tyrone 03 Tyrone 05 tyrone 08 dublin 11.
2 Lack of balls when it mattered.
3 The fall out from the Derrytresk affair
4 Allegedly looking segregation at the Crokes Cross match.
5 Articles like Brolly's picking on certain Kerry individuals calling them chokers
When all this is taking into consideration ,the celebrations after the match nearly seemed mild. As for Kerry having had their day and wont go further ,seems to me like some posters are on a different planet. They are for me as a northerner, a fabulous team who play the game with great style. I have great admiration for them as I had for Tyrone in the last decade. I am so looking forward to a possible clash between Kerry and Donegal.
This did not happen. Replace the two players mentioned with a young Pascal McConnell and you may be somewhere near the truth. In short, quit talking brown.
[/quote] It did happen right in front of me on the 50 yd line at the terrace side. i was standing watching Philip jordan and i know him very well . I would also assume, Mr moortown spuds, It was a group of supporters around me who he was clenching his fist to. As a matter of fact I slag him about it . And when Mr spuds when you are a close to it as I was start getting your facts right. Talking Brown works both ways.
For the record, Conor Clarke is 20. One year left at U21
One positive about David Coldrick is that when he felt players had minor injuries, possibly to waste time/stop momentum he let play go on and just called the physio on to treat the player on the pitch. Likewise for goalies wanting to tie their laces or other delaying tactics, they were told to kick out the ball.
This should be implemented in every match.
There was a young Tyrone minor in front of me in the shops last night. His initials were on his training top. On the collar, there seemed to be a hashtag - looked like #nsu
Could be wrong - but anybody know what that's about?
Quote#nsu
he plans to attend the famous North Strabane University?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 24, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
One positive about David Coldrick is that when he felt players had minor injuries, possibly to waste time/stop momentum he let play go on and just called the physio on to treat the player on the pitch. Likewise for goalies wanting to tie their laces or other delaying tactics, they were told to kick out the ball.
This should be implemented in every match.
Agreed, with the only proviso being that referees were capable of consistently implementing the most basic of rules.
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Quote#nsu
he plans to attend the famous North Strabane University?
Nincom salvatori uncasis. Has been used by many great sports teams in the past.
Quote from: blanketattack on July 24, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
One positive about David Coldrick is that when he felt players had minor injuries, possibly to waste time/stop momentum he let play go on and just called the physio on to treat the player on the pitch. Likewise for goalies wanting to tie their laces or other delaying tactics, they were told to kick out the ball.
This should be implemented in every match.
He only seemed to do that when it was a Tyrone man "injured" or McConnell wasting time with the kick outs.
He wouldn't have been as quick to do that if Kerry were trying to stop momentum being built up.
Do you always act the champion for the great defeated.
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Quote from: rrhf on July 24, 2012, 06:48:36 PM
Do you always act the champion for the great defeated.
No, just the champion for the use of basic grammar. A question mark would be more appropriate in your post.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 24, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
There was a young Tyrone minor in front of me in the shops last night. His initials were on his training top. On the collar, there seemed to be a hashtag - looked like #nsu
Could be wrong - but anybody know what that's about?
National Socialist Underground, a German right-wing terror group.
Just thought I would share this statement posted on the Tyrone GAA Facebook page.
Tyrone GAA
One GAA Family United in Respect
Long after the thousands had left Fitzgerald Stadium last Saturday evening our Tyrone team was getting ready for a bitter journey home. Around 500 Kerry people remained outside the changing area – men and women, old and young. As our people started to board their coach a ripple of applause met them. That ripple grew and grew and for long minute after long minute just went on and on and on.
When Mickey Harte appeared, a cheer of support went up. As the coach headed down through Killarney hundreds on the pavements took over where the others left off, warmly applauding Tyrone. There is no doubt that Ireland lost a lot and took a lot of wrong turns in the last few years. But if you wanted your faith in decency, respect, honour and dignity restored, then Killarney at about eight o'clock last Saturday evening was the place to be.
Inspirational. Unforgettable. Classy.
Quote from: wherefromreferee? on July 24, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
There was a young Tyrone minor in front of me in the shops last night. His initials were on his training top. On the collar, there seemed to be a hashtag - looked like #nsu
Could be wrong - but anybody know what that's about?
It means 'No Stone Unturned'
That's nice cos at 5 o'clock ye were going to kill each other
Quote from: give her dixie on July 24, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
Just thought I would share this statement posted on the Tyrone GAA Facebook page.
Tyrone GAA
One GAA Family United in Respect
Long after the thousands had left Fitzgerald Stadium last Saturday evening our Tyrone team was getting ready for a bitter journey home. Around 500 Kerry people remained outside the changing area – men and women, old and young. As our people started to board their coach a ripple of applause met them. That ripple grew and grew and for long minute after long minute just went on and on and on.
When Mickey Harte appeared, a cheer of support went up. As the coach headed down through Killarney hundreds on the pavements took over where the others left off, warmly applauding Tyrone. There is no doubt that Ireland lost a lot and took a lot of wrong turns in the last few years. But if you wanted your faith in decency, respect, honour and dignity restored, then Killarney at about eight o'clock last Saturday evening was the place to be.
Inspirational. Unforgettable. Classy.
That's tremendous.
Fabulous, and nice to see Darran O'Sullivan comment on it too on the Tyrone FB page.
Quote from: ONeill on July 24, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on July 24, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
Just thought I would share this statement posted on the Tyrone GAA Facebook page.
Tyrone GAA
One GAA Family United in Respect
Long after the thousands had left Fitzgerald Stadium last Saturday evening our Tyrone team was getting ready for a bitter journey home. Around 500 Kerry people remained outside the changing area – men and women, old and young. As our people started to board their coach a ripple of applause met them. That ripple grew and grew and for long minute after long minute just went on and on and on.
When Mickey Harte appeared, a cheer of support went up. As the coach headed down through Killarney hundreds on the pavements took over where the others left off, warmly applauding Tyrone. There is no doubt that Ireland lost a lot and took a lot of wrong turns in the last few years. But if you wanted your faith in decency, respect, honour and dignity restored, then Killarney at about eight o'clock last Saturday evening was the place to be.
Inspirational. Unforgettable. Classy.
That's tremendous.
Was there to witness it. As one of the comments on FB said, restores your faith in humanity...GAA humanity! Makes the trolls and nay-sayers look right silly aswell. Met quite a few sound Tyrone heads over the weekend aswell, very knowledgeable people most of them.
There has been 50 pages of comments on the game, and to be honest, I have enjoyed reading each and every one of them. While the result didn't go our way on Saturday, I fully congratulate Kerry on their win. The atmosphere at the game was incredible, and to see the reaction of the team and supporters at the final whistle was on a par to an All Ireland Final win.
The finals in '05 and '08 will go down as 2 of the best games in Croke Park, and will bring many a smile to Tyrone people for the rest of our lifetimes.
Personally, the statement released tonight brought a lump to my throat, and just reading the comments proves just how great the GAA is. We are one big family who fight now and again, but at the back of it all, love each other unconditionally.
In just one hour, over 1,800 people have "liked" the statement, and it has been shared and re tweeted over 300 times.
Of all the things said before and after the match, those words mean the most, and speak volumes for not only Tyrone and Kerry, but for the the GAA in Ireland and across the world.
I for one am very proud to be from Tyrone, and a part of the best organisation in the world.
Yeah rivalry clouds the judgement, and banter can get thick, but well done to all here. The future is bright.
Very nice to read that. The followers that would be still around Fitzgerald Stadium long after the final whistle would be the real genuine supporters. Their attitude would be like what an old timer said to me many years ago "It is a good man that can stand out on that field, no matter what colour jersey he is wearing". Great to see that attitude still alive and well in the GAA.
It is well worth taking a few minutes to read some of the beautiful comments that have been left on the post.
Over 100,000 views, 9,000 likes, 200 comments, and over 1,000 shares in just over 2 hours. Amazing.
Click on this link to view:
http://www.facebook.com/tyronegaa
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
Quote from: give her dixie on July 25, 2012, 12:40:54 AM
It is well worth taking a few minutes to read some of the beautiful comments that have been left on the post.
Over 100,000 views, 9,000 likes, 200 comments, and over 1,000 shares in just over 2 hours. Amazing.
Click on this link to view:
http://www.facebook.com/tyronegaa
Made the RTE news this morning.
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
The sorts of people who stayed on or applauded, I'd say they still would have. One thing about the Kerry crowd, they are passionate and in this instance it has manifested itself in the best of ways. Fair play.
Great stuff from those Kerry folk, I'd say that that send-off shortened the journey home by a mile or two.
Those who stayed behind at the end of the game are the true GAA people of Kerry unlike the Ole chanting or Joe Duffy calling types who are an embarrassment to Kerry. That said we have our fair share of edjuts as I'm sure so do most other counties. Where now for Tyrone we need scoring forwards, a midfield that can compete at least 50/50 and a sticky defence. I know we had up on 6 absentees on Saturday and a lot of those lads will be back in 2013 but we are likely to see the retirement of 6 players also. Hopefully we can stay in Division 1 and get to at least the Q/F in 2013. Has anyone an opinion on players who could strengthen the current panel or a change of tactics (the short kick out strategy isn't working).
Looked at the starting line ups for the Tyrone v Kerry all ireland final in 2008.
Big changes on both teams but Tyrone were undoubtedly the team that was short of players.
Out of the starting line ups on that day Kerry had 9 players starting last Saturday whilst Tyrone had only 5.
Kerry claims to have exorcised the Tyrone ghost last Saturday eveing is well wide of the mark.
That said, Kerry were awesome and some of their passing, movement and scoring was a sight to behold. You can't take that away from them.
Tyrone are in major transition and with only 5 playing form 2008 team, no wonder it's taking a while to rebuild the Tyrone team and are not as far away as some would have you believe. Rome wasn't built in a day or two days either. Time is needed.
That's correct orangeman, I wouldn't want to downplay the manner or significance of Kerry's victory, but Tyrone of the Noughties was a different ghost.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 22, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
Interesting that Coldrick was the ref in all 3 of Tyrone's defeats in 2012.
Ah ffs come on man dear...................................... I hope you are not implying that he is the reason you lot are no longer in the championship, are you?
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Quote from: Moortown Spuds on July 24, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: applemad on July 24, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
Kerry were most definetly fired up for this game and no wonder. It reminded me of a certain league game when Armagh played Tyrone in Omagh in 2003. A lot of hatred and bile around that day. I remember well Sean Kavanagh and Philip Jordan jumping up on the fence after the game and shaking their fists at the crowd in exuberance after their win.. And to be fair Im sure Armagh teams have reacted in similar fashion at times. Kerry had a mountain of pent -up frustration
1 The huge media questioning of Kerry's ability to beat teams in a tight finish . Armagh 02 Tyrone 03 Tyrone 05 tyrone 08 dublin 11.
2 Lack of balls when it mattered.
3 The fall out from the Derrytresk affair
4 Allegedly looking segregation at the Crokes Cross match.
5 Articles like Brolly's picking on certain Kerry individuals calling them chokers
When all this is taking into consideration ,the celebrations after the match nearly seemed mild. As for Kerry having had their day and wont go further ,seems to me like some posters are on a different planet. They are for me as a northerner, a fabulous team who play the game with great style. I have great admiration for them as I had for Tyrone in the last decade. I am so looking forward to a possible clash between Kerry and Donegal.
This did not happen. Replace the two players mentioned with a young Pascal McConnell and you may be somewhere near the truth. In short, quit talking brown.
It did happen right in front of me on the 50 yd line at the terrace side. i was standing watching Philip jordan and i know him very well . I would also assume, Mr moortown spuds, It was a group of supporters around me who he was clenching his fist to. As a matter of fact I slag him about it . And when Mr spuds when you are a close to it as I was start getting your facts right. Talking Brown works both ways.
You are very wrong there applemad - it was Packie who was going a bit nuts not Philly Jordan. I'll be sure to ask Philly the next time I see him which Clonmore man slags him about 2003 in Omagh for something he didn't do!
[/quote] Clonmore??????
Quote from: stew on July 25, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 22, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
Interesting that Coldrick was the ref in all 3 of Tyrone's defeats in 2012.
Ah ffs come on man dear...................................... I hope you are not implying that he is the reason you lot are no longer in the championship, are you?
He's incompetent, really woeful, but maybe coincidental. Once this year would have done us, but why do the goons in the hierarchy keep afflicting us with him?
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Nice moment. In what other sport in the world would you see something like this?
Almost all of them. Lets not get carried away
Yeah, it's a regular occurrence to see Alex Ferguson on the pitch at Anfield signing autographs for Liverpool fans and let's not forget the wonderful sight of Martin Johnson signing autographs in Croke Park for throngs of Irish fans or Bill Belchevik on the pitch at MetLife stadium signing autographs for New York giants fans.
None of these have ever happened. Your source is incorrect.
i believe it was sarcasm, as haranguerers post was stupid
You really think a liverpool fan has never asked for alex fergusons autograph, an irish fan for martin johnsons? Do you think they refused? So yes, almost all of them is the correct answer, sorry to burst your sycophantic bubble.
Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2012, 03:22:42 PM
Looked at the starting line ups for the Tyrone v Kerry all ireland final in 2008.
Big changes on both teams but Tyrone were undoubtedly the team that was short of players.
Out of the starting line ups on that day Kerry had 9 players starting last Saturday whilst Tyrone had only 5.
Kerry claims to have exorcised the Tyrone ghost last Saturday eveing is well wide of the mark.
That said, Kerry were awesome and some of their passing, movement and scoring was a sight to behold. You can't take that away from them.
Tyrone are in major transition and with only 5 playing form 2008 team, no wonder it's taking a while to rebuild the Tyrone team and are not as far away as some would have you believe. Rome wasn't built in a day or two days either. Time is needed.
I think only 4 of the starters started in 2008. Am I wrong? McConnell, Gormley, McMahon and Penrose?
Quote from: ONeill on July 25, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2012, 03:22:42 PM
Looked at the starting line ups for the Tyrone v Kerry all ireland final in 2008.
Big changes on both teams but Tyrone were undoubtedly the team that was short of players.
Out of the starting line ups on that day Kerry had 9 players starting last Saturday whilst Tyrone had only 5.
Kerry claims to have exorcised the Tyrone ghost last Saturday eveing is well wide of the mark.
That said, Kerry were awesome and some of their passing, movement and scoring was a sight to behold. You can't take that away from them.
Tyrone are in major transition and with only 5 playing form 2008 team, no wonder it's taking a while to rebuild the Tyrone team and are not as far away as some would have you believe. Rome wasn't built in a day or two days either. Time is needed.
I think only 4 of the starters started in 2008. Am I wrong? McConnell, Gormley, McMahon and Penrose?
Mc Connell, Gormley, Penrose, Mc Mahon and
Mulligan
Mugsy didn't start in 08. Came on late on.
Quote from: ONeill on July 25, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
Mugsy didn't start in 08. Came on late on.
Apologies - you're 100% right.
Only the 4 lads you mentioned.
Hugh Douglas didn't start either
They ended up throwing on ricey, mcguigan and o'neill so their plenty of old heads to give satisfaction to kerry for finally beating them.
Coming out tomorrow that Ricey is retiring apparently? Anyone else heard this? To be expected in fairness
I just hope we will never get Joe McQuillan again.
If Ricey doesn't retire... I will.
Ok Lads which of ye is it??
Smitten Tyrone fan seeks après match with his mystery Kerry rose
By John O'Mahony
Wednesday, July 25, 2012
The Tyrone footballers weren't alone in having their hearts broken in Kerry at the weekend. One love-struck farmer from the Red Hand county lost the potential love of his life almost as quickly as he had found her.
Clad in the distinctive white and red shirt of his beloved home county, the devoted fan from the small village of Pomeroy was struck by Cupid's arrow on Saturday when he met a charming green and gold-clad Kerry supporter in a local pub after the Kingdom had triumphed in the All-Ireland qualifier at Fitzgerald Stadium.
The man — identified only as Seamus — arranged to meet up with her again later that night but got delayed and was devastated to find she had been and gone when he eventually reached their rendezvous spot.
And although he searched the town for the girl of his dreams, such was the size of the crowd enjoying the post-match celebrations that he failed to catch up with the auburn-haired beauty.
While they enjoyed some time in each other's company outside Scott's Hotel earlier in the evening, Seamus was so smitten he neglected to ask her for her name or number as he was sure they would meet later on.
The fortysomething Tyrone fan was so upset after he made the long journey home, he asked his friend Martina to go on local radio in Kerry yesterday to issue a heartfelt plea for the unsuspecting Kerry woman to get in touch.
Martina explained how the opposing fans met up and socialised together shortly after the final whistle had sounded and arranged to meet again at the same hotel after he had returned to his accommodation to freshen up.
But after drowning his sorrows with friends, Seamus was late for their date and was gutted to learn she had been there but had moved on when he didn't show on time.
"She caught his eye earlier and they started to chat," said Martina. "They were getting on very well but he wanted to go and freshen up and change into a proper shirt and they arranged to meet up again.
"When he went back one of his friends told him she had actually come back but had left again with her friend.
"He was very sad he had missed her and he asked me to help him find her. He is utterly smitten."
Seamus described his Kerry dream girl as being in her late 30s or early 40s, about 5ft 7in and very pretty. After the match she was in the company of a married Kerry woman.
"She has very unusual auburn hair, very stylishly cut," Martina told Radio Kerry. "He also said she was wearing very snug-fitting jeans and when she walked away, he said she has a very pert bum."
Martina said her pining friend hasn't met anybody that "struck a chord" with him for a long time and he was very upset that when he finally found someone he liked he didn't get her number.
Martina said Seamus, who travels everywhere to support Tyrone, would not hesitate to return to Killarney to meet his dream date.
"He is an honest, decent and nice guy," said Martina, who asked the Kerry woman or anybody that might know her to contact Radio Kerry, who will then get in touch with Seamus.
Quote from: Declan on July 26, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
Ok Lads which of ye is it??
Smitten Tyrone fan seeks après match with his mystery Kerry rose
By John O'Mahony
Wednesday, July 25, 2012
The Tyrone footballers weren't alone in having their hearts broken in Kerry at the weekend. One love-struck farmer from the Red Hand county lost the potential love of his life almost as quickly as he had found her.
Clad in the distinctive white and red shirt of his beloved home county, the devoted fan from the small village of Pomeroy was struck by Cupid's arrow on Saturday when he met a charming green and gold-clad Kerry supporter in a local pub after the Kingdom had triumphed in the All-Ireland qualifier at Fitzgerald Stadium.
The man — identified only as Seamus — arranged to meet up with her again later that night but got delayed and was devastated to find she had been and gone when he eventually reached their rendezvous spot.
And although he searched the town for the girl of his dreams, such was the size of the crowd enjoying the post-match celebrations that he failed to catch up with the auburn-haired beauty.
While they enjoyed some time in each other's company outside Scott's Hotel earlier in the evening, Seamus was so smitten he neglected to ask her for her name or number as he was sure they would meet later on.
The fortysomething Tyrone fan was so upset after he made the long journey home, he asked his friend Martina to go on local radio in Kerry yesterday to issue a heartfelt plea for the unsuspecting Kerry woman to get in touch.
Martina explained how the opposing fans met up and socialised together shortly after the final whistle had sounded and arranged to meet again at the same hotel after he had returned to his accommodation to freshen up.
But after drowning his sorrows with friends, Seamus was late for their date and was gutted to learn she had been there but had moved on when he didn't show on time.
"She caught his eye earlier and they started to chat," said Martina. "They were getting on very well but he wanted to go and freshen up and change into a proper shirt and they arranged to meet up again.
"When he went back one of his friends told him she had actually come back but had left again with her friend.
"He was very sad he had missed her and he asked me to help him find her. He is utterly smitten."
Seamus described his Kerry dream girl as being in her late 30s or early 40s, about 5ft 7in and very pretty. After the match she was in the company of a married Kerry woman.
"She has very unusual auburn hair, very stylishly cut," Martina told Radio Kerry. "He also said she was wearing very snug-fitting jeans and when she walked away, he said she has a very pert bum."
Martina said her pining friend hasn't met anybody that "struck a chord" with him for a long time and he was very upset that when he finally found someone he liked he didn't get her number.
Martina said Seamus, who travels everywhere to support Tyrone, would not hesitate to return to Killarney to meet his dream date.
"He is an honest, decent and nice guy," said Martina, who asked the Kerry woman or anybody that might know her to contact Radio Kerry, who will then get in touch with Seamus.
Kerry hoors !! ;)
Quote from: stew on July 25, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 22, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
Interesting that Coldrick was the ref in all 3 of Tyrone's defeats in 2012.
Ah ffs come on man dear...................................... I hope you are not implying that he is the reason you lot are no longer in the championship, are you?
Let me say this first - we were beaten by the better team on each of the 3 occasions this year.My point is on how the referee can affect how the game is actually played. If you play a running game and the referee is not good at picking up third man tackles on your players then you end up at a serious disadvantage. If the referee doesn't pick up on the blocking then you end up with two players wrestling on the ground and with both players booked. Both the offender and the offended end up with equal justice. If a referee is quck at spotting it and books the offender only then you'll end up with an open game of football. Brian White was one of the best refs at spotting this and Mc coldrick is not. This should really be a job for the linesman and they should be specific on who was the initial offendor.
Quote from: Declan on July 26, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
"He also said she was wearing very snug-fitting jeans and when she walked away, he said she has a very pert bum."
Of course, they
all have very pert bums
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Quote from: hsthompson on July 26, 2012, 12:39:28 AM
Coming out tomorrow that Ricey is retiring apparently? Anyone else heard this? To be expected in fairness
A great day for forwards everywhere; no shite being talked into their ears about mothers, wives and girlfriends
Kerry supporters show huge Harte for Tyrone boss
Sharon Whelton, 25 July 2012
FOLLOWING his side's heavy loss to Kerry on Saturday last in Killarney, one could expect Tyrone manager Mickey Harte to make a swift exit from Fitzgerald Stadium.
However, Kerry supporters had other ideas, with hundreds of well-wishers waiting after the final whistle to show their support for the Red Hands boss and his side following his family's recent anguish.
For those unfamiliar with the tragedy, Harte's daughter Michaela was brutally murdered on her honeymoon in Mauritius early last year, with a recent trial ruling two men to be not guilty of her murder.
To make matters even worse, the Mauritian Sunday Times then published pictures of Michaela's body, which caused outrage among many Irish citizens, both young and old.
Even though his side were well beaten on the night by a superior Kerry side, it was truly heart-warming to see hundreds of Kerry fans clapping their opposition as they made their way to their team-bus.
It was a remarkable sight, thus showing the level of respect held by one and all for Harte, who has managed Tyrone for the past number of years.
Popular social media site Facebook published a short statement from the Tyrone GAA page, which fully explained the scenes in Fitzgerald Stadium.
Joe.ie reported that approximately 500 supporters (both men and women of young and old) waited around and began to clap when Harte and his panel of players emerged from their dressing room.
"When Mickey Harte appeared, a cheer of support went up," the website added. "As the coach headed down through Killarney, hundreds on the pavements took over where the others left off, warmly applauding Tyrone."
"There is no doubt that Ireland lost a lot and took a lot of wrong turns in the last few years. But if you wanted your faith in decency, respect, honour and dignity restored, then Killarney at about eight o'clock last Saturday evening was the place to be," the Tyrone GAA page stated.
"Inspirational. Unforgettable. Classy."
In a time where our country is steeped in economic crisis, it is undeniably refreshing to see such a level of respect and support directed towards one of the GAA's most-loved managers.
Brian McGuigan gave the Gooch a touch in his column. :o
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 26, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Brian McGuigan gave the Gooch a touch in his column. :o
Is it online anywhere??
Quote from: onefaircounty on July 26, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Brian McGuigan gave the Gooch a touch in his column. :o
spinal column ?
he did boy...basically said O'Sullivan and Gooch were hateful hoors, and would ignore ye on allstar trips, but the O'Se's were good craic and Jack O'Connor was a good lad too. That's why he gave O'Sullivan a wee belt I'd imagine, hateful hoor he is, and Brian reckons everyone in Derrytresk will back him on that! He says O'Sullivan was laughing at him when he was walking off but it was totally different in 2003 when he lay down v down. He didn't meant to get Greg McCartan sent off. He was just...ummm...well he didn't mean to. I think sometimes it would be best if we didn't hear what formerly great players had to say. Kinda ruins the image :)
Quote from: Seamus on July 26, 2012, 03:19:06 AM
I just hope we will never get Joe McQuillan again.
You're not the only one there!
Is Brian McGuigan's column in the GL?
Read McGuigan's article. I don't like the way he uses the column to get at people's personalities or what they say on the field. That's the second time he's done it after a defeat - did it with Donegal too. I'm sure he's no angel himself. What happens on the field.....
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
Sheamy I find myself yet again agreeing with you. I need to be more careful. ;D
I was not at the match in Killarney and so can't comment on the how bad some sections of the crowd behaved or how well other sections carried themselves by being good winners. I have heard several stories both good and bad.
I do of course have an opinion and whilst I really do believe that most of those 500 do feel sorry for Mickey and his personal turmoil of late, I really do think a lot of that good will is a lot easier delivered in victory rather than in defeat.
During the 2008 final, I was up near the roof top of the Cusask and was surrounded by Kerry fans of all ages and personalties. I was there with my brother who had never been to a big championship match before. Now I was quite worried that we would lose that day so I wasn't my normal jovial self but I could strongly detect the bitterness and anti-Tyrone feeling the whole way during the match. Any time I would try to take their side or engage in pleasantaries they were having none of it.
So then when they looked like they could go on to win the game the got a lot more vocal and almost in my face with the attitude we have ye now. Then when Tyrone came strong in the final 10 mins, most of them, NOT ALL, got up and left. Nobody shook our hands and said well done lads. NOBODY.
In 2003 I was sitting near a lot of Armagh fans and the tension was unbearable. There had been talk before it about need for segregation. At the end nearly every Armagh fan shook my hand. Some hugged me and said enjoy it whilst you can.
My point is Kerry DO NOT like losing. They are sore sore losers. They don't mind you winning the odd one but they want to be high kings in their kingdom. They don't like it when you don't bow down and say they are the best and play the purist of football.
So whilst I admire this gesture of 500 fans staying behind to bid Tyrone and Mickey a warm goodbye, could it be with a hint of at last we have beaten ye and because so we can now show ye how nice and welcoming we are.
In my eyes it takes a lot more balls and honesty, to swallow your pride, your anger, your dismay, the total emptiness feeling of losing to turn around to your winning fan and say well done. You beat us fair and square and I hope you enjoy your day in the sun as we'll be back to get it back of ye next year.
A mate of mine is a 50+year old Dub. Married to a Kerry woman for a long time and they go down to Kerry quite often. He said every year they have great craic talking football.
He said he went down last Christmas and the when the lads in the pub saw him they'd hardly talk to him at all. Very dry and taking the loss to the Dubs very badly
In my eyes it was a bit of an empty & late gesture for Kerry fans to be giving Mickey and Co such a great send off home. I'm probably being VERY cynical but if Dublin (or Donegal) beat Kerry this year I wonder will we hear the usual whinging and crying about how how they are spoiling the beautiful game and new rules need to be taken in to counteract this.
From what I know most of the Kerry people honestly have a healthy respect for Mickey Harte and probably wish to express their sorrow for him. I just wonder how many such fans congratulated Mickey in 2008.
Sorry for being so cynical folks but I am just sharing my honest
opinionRe McGuigan, in one way its nice to get the honest(I think) opinion of a current player from matches he's just played in (or almost played in) but on the other hand, I always think that maybe Brian is maybe not the most shrewd of people and can sometimes say things that he might (or should) regret later. A bit like like his dad maybe sometimes.
Also, by being gracious winners, they've managed to deflect attention from their undoubted cynicism
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
Sheamy I find myself yet again agreeing with you. I need to be more careful. ;D
I was not at the match in Killarney and so can't comment on the how bad some sections of the crowd behaved or how well other sections carried themselves by being good winners. I have heard several stories both good and bad.
I do of course have an opinion and whilst I really do believe that most of those 500 do feel sorry for Mickey and his personal turmoil of late, I really do think a lot of that good will is a lot easier delivered in victory rather than in defeat.
During the 2008 final, I was up near the roof top of the Cusask and was surrounded by Kerry fans of all ages and personalties. I was there with my brother who had never been to a big championship match before. Now I was quite worried that we would lose that day so I wasn't my normal jovial self but I could strongly detect the bitterness and anti-Tyrone feeling the whole way during the match. Any time I would try to take their side or engage in pleasantaries they were having none of it.
So then when they looked like they could go on to win the game the got a lot more vocal and almost in my face with the attitude we have ye now. Then when Tyrone came strong in the final 10 mins, most of them, NOT ALL, got up and left. Nobody shook our hands and said well done lads. NOBODY.
In 2003 I was sitting near a lot of Armagh fans and the tension was unbearable. There had been talk before it about need for segregation. At the end nearly every Armagh fan shook my hand. Some hugged me and said enjoy it whilst you can.
My point is Kerry DO NOT like losing. They are sore sore losers. They don't mind you winning the odd one but they want to be high kings in their kingdom. They don't like it when you don't bow down and say they are the best and play the purist of football.
So whilst I admire this gesture of 500 fans staying behind to bid Tyrone and Mickey a warm goodbye, could it be with a hint of at last we have beaten ye and because so we can now show ye how nice and welcoming we are.
In my eyes it takes a lot more balls and honesty, to swallow your pride, your anger, your dismay, the total emptiness feeling of losing to turn around to your winning fan and say well done. You beat us fair and square and I hope you enjoy your day in the sun as we'll be back to get it back of ye next year.
A mate of mine is a 50+year old Dub. Married to a Kerry woman for a long time and they go down to Kerry quite often. He said every year they have great craic talking football.
He said he went down last Christmas and the when the lads in the pub saw him they'd hardly talk to him at all. Very dry and taking the loss to the Dubs very badly
In my eyes it was a bit of an empty & late gesture for Kerry fans to be giving Mickey and Co such a great send off home. I'm probably being VERY cynical but if Dublin (or Donegal) beat Kerry this year I wonder will we hear the usual whinging and crying about how how they are spoiling the beautiful game and new rules need to be taken in to counteract this.
From what I know most of the Kerry people honestly have a healthy respect for Mickey Harte and probably wish to express their sorrow for him. I just wonder how many such fans congratulated Mickey in 2008.
Sorry for being so cynical folks but I am just sharing my honest opinion
Re McGuigan, in one way its nice to get the honest(I think) opinion of a current player from matches he's just played in (or almost played in) but on the other hand, I always think that maybe Brian is maybe not the most shrewd of people and can sometimes say things that he might (or should) regret later. A bit like like his dad maybe sometimes.
fuzzman, u hit the nail on the head. It was getting a bit cringy listening to everyone talking bout the bum chumy atmosphere after the game ( not to be a horrible cynic by the way, it's still nice to see)
Quote from: sheamy on July 26, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
he did boy...basically said O'Sullivan and Gooch were hateful hoors, and would ignore ye on allstar trips, but the O'Se's were good craic and Jack O'Connor was a good lad too. That's why he gave O'Sullivan a wee belt I'd imagine, hateful hoor he is, and Brian reckons everyone in Derrytresk will back him on that! He says O'Sullivan was laughing at him when he was walking off but it was totally different in 2003 when he lay down v down. He didn't meant to get Greg McCartan sent off. He was just...ummm...well he didn't mean to. I think sometimes it would be best if we didn't hear what formerly great players had to say. Kinda ruins the image :)
was reading it the day myself, actually good to hear a man speak out sometimes and say what he feels. Mcguigan is right, he deserved to get sent off for the pure stupidity of doing it, right in front of the ref, i'd be raging if he was my team mate. Harsh and all it was, you could see the venom in brian's face as he went crashing into the back of declan, he really must hate him.
He did say how nice jack o connor and galvin were when he hurt his eye, they sent him letters and signed kerry jerseys, so all good lads.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
Sheamy I find myself yet again agreeing with you. I need to be more careful. ;D
I was not at the match in Killarney and so can't comment on the how bad some sections of the crowd behaved or how well other sections carried themselves by being good winners. I have heard several stories both good and bad.
I do of course have an opinion and whilst I really do believe that most of those 500 do feel sorry for Mickey and his personal turmoil of late, I really do think a lot of that good will is a lot easier delivered in victory rather than in defeat.
During the 2008 final, I was up near the roof top of the Cusask and was surrounded by Kerry fans of all ages and personalties. I was there with my brother who had never been to a big championship match before. Now I was quite worried that we would lose that day so I wasn't my normal jovial self but I could strongly detect the bitterness and anti-Tyrone feeling the whole way during the match. Any time I would try to take their side or engage in pleasantaries they were having none of it.
So then when they looked like they could go on to win the game the got a lot more vocal and almost in my face with the attitude we have ye now. Then when Tyrone came strong in the final 10 mins, most of them, NOT ALL, got up and left. Nobody shook our hands and said well done lads. NOBODY.
In 2003 I was sitting near a lot of Armagh fans and the tension was unbearable. There had been talk before it about need for segregation. At the end nearly every Armagh fan shook my hand. Some hugged me and said enjoy it whilst you can.
My point is Kerry DO NOT like losing. They are sore sore losers. They don't mind you winning the odd one but they want to be high kings in their kingdom. They don't like it when you don't bow down and say they are the best and play the purist of football.
So whilst I admire this gesture of 500 fans staying behind to bid Tyrone and Mickey a warm goodbye, could it be with a hint of at last we have beaten ye and because so we can now show ye how nice and welcoming we are.
In my eyes it takes a lot more balls and honesty, to swallow your pride, your anger, your dismay, the total emptiness feeling of losing to turn around to your winning fan and say well done. You beat us fair and square and I hope you enjoy your day in the sun as we'll be back to get it back of ye next year.
A mate of mine is a 50+year old Dub. Married to a Kerry woman for a long time and they go down to Kerry quite often. He said every year they have great craic talking football.
He said he went down last Christmas and the when the lads in the pub saw him they'd hardly talk to him at all. Very dry and taking the loss to the Dubs very badly
In my eyes it was a bit of an empty & late gesture for Kerry fans to be giving Mickey and Co such a great send off home. I'm probably being VERY cynical but if Dublin (or Donegal) beat Kerry this year I wonder will we hear the usual whinging and crying about how how they are spoiling the beautiful game and new rules need to be taken in to counteract this.
From what I know most of the Kerry people honestly have a healthy respect for Mickey Harte and probably wish to express their sorrow for him. I just wonder how many such fans congratulated Mickey in 2008.
Sorry for being so cynical folks but I am just sharing my honest opinion
Re McGuigan, in one way its nice to get the honest(I think) opinion of a current player from matches he's just played in (or almost played in) but on the other hand, I always think that maybe Brian is maybe not the most shrewd of people and can sometimes say things that he might (or should) regret later. A bit like like his dad maybe sometimes.
What a load of rubbish, possibly the most disgraceful and misleading post I have ever read on any subject. The complete opposite to all that shiite is way closer to the mark. Of course all the Kerry haters will agree with him in order to feed their agenda and insecurities.
This game ended last Saturday - now we're at page 53 :o
Time to consign it to history bies ;)
The shorter version of Fuzzman's post: "I don't recognise respect, sportsmanship and uncommon decency when I see it."
If anyone from Ulster can explain the intense rivalry between Armagh & Tyrone to those outside the province. Yet in 2003 I received so much recognition from Armagh fans. I never received anything similar from Kerry fans in the past 9 years. All they seem to say is we have spoiled their lovely game. Is that sportmanship? If Tyrone had won last Sat would Kerry fans have gave us such a send off back home?
Armagh and Tyrone is nothing compared to Derry, Tyrone rivalry, back in 1995 still stands out has the most nastiest atmosphere i ever felt at a game!
The common denominator is Tyrone. We're a shower of savage bastards. Mid-Tyrone especially. Something to do with the foot of the Sperrins.
Off the fence: Crying foul
Posted by EWAN MACKENNA
Thursday 26 July 2012
On a train from Killarney to Dublin last Saturday evening, a group of Tyrone fans stood at the bar and tried to drown their sorrows only to find they're excellent swimmers.
Those from Kerry steered clear of it though, instead basking in the sober reality of what they'd just achieved. But they had one gripe about what had happened during the day's qualifier. "We were lucky that everyone came through without injuries," one man said. "They were up to their same old tricks. They were filthy."
Of course fans are always going to be biased, but this was a particularly odd take on the game. Because, while populism suggests the biggest threat and most damning indictment of modern football is the massed defence, the actual problem with the game had just been demonstrated by Kerry across 30 second-half minutes riddled with systematic and cynical fouls.
We aren't saying that others teams don't do it too. Cork and Donegal in particular are no angels and there's a case to be made for the fact that the better and more clever you are at fouling, the further you will go. But Kerry gave the worst example of a tactic and a ploy that is ruining the game during that second half with Tyrone. Consider the following list of examples from the 40th minute onwards and consider what Tyrone had to endure.
On 40 minutes, after Declan O'Sullivan kicked his third point in a fantastic attacking display, a short kickout was taken to Conor Gormley but Kieran Donaghy's attempt at a tackle was awkward, and Paul Galvin followed it up by hauling the centre-back to the ground and then hung onto him.
On 45 minutes, Donaghy's goal stretched the lead to five and in a commanding position, Kerry clearly decided to slow the game still further. From the resulting kickout, Declan O'Sullivan lazily wrapped his arms around Joe McMahon and then stayed in front of him for the free.
On 48 minutes, after James O'Donoghue pointed and Darran O'Sullivan came on, the new arrival pulled Colm Cavanagh down with another tackle that was lazy from another quick kickout. It was obvious O'Sullivan had no intention of turning over the ball and once the free was awarded, he again obstructed the kicker.
On 52 minutes, following a turnover, Joe McMahon was taken down by Darran O'Sullivan who stood in front of him for a full 11 seconds as he tried to take the free. Finally, McMahon did get to play a short pass to Mark Donnelly but Galvin, Anthony Maher and Shane Enright combined to bundle him over well outside the 45 and well outside shooting distance. From that free, as Tyrone looked for the open man in scoring range, Declan O'Sullivan was hanging out of Stephen O'Neill but the incident went unpunished.
On 54 minutes, Ryan McMenamin turned over a ball in defence and looked to break only to have his legs clipped by Colm Cooper while Donaghy was in quickly to slow play further and laughed in the faces of opposition player as he succeeded.
On 56 minutes, Brian McGuigan finally had enough. From a free out of defence he was taken down high and cynically by Declan O'Sullivan. The Kerry player complained to the referee about his arm, was hit from behind, went down easily and a minute and a red card later he was up laughing at Owen Mulligan. It was stupid from McGuigan and deserving of a red but Tyrone had finally been fouled to breaking point.
On 59 minutes, Enright dragged down Donnelly after a quick free for a square ball. In the next phase of play Maher did the same to Cavanagh. In the next phase of play Aidan O'Mahony did the same to Mulligan. There were no bookings and the ball was still short of the 45. Moments later as Stephen O'Neill went to take a lineball, the ball was kicked away by a Kerry substitute. Nothing happened but when Ryan McMenamin did the same moments later, the ball was moved forward.
On 63 minutes, there was more of the same after Cooper's point as, from a short kickout, Maher fouled, Galvin took off with the ball which led to him being shoved to the ground by Gormley.
On 68 minutes, after Kieran O'Leary's wide, Cavanagh from a short kickout was taken down, and Patrick Curtin's lunge was far more dangerous than that of McGuigan, although the player hit didn't stay down on this occasion.
It's a long and damning list yet doesn't make headlines like more nasty incidents such as Gormley stuffing the ball into the gut of Tomás Ó Sé after the goal or Joe McMahon going for Galvin right at the end. But ask yourself this, which is more disruptive to the actual game? And besides, the number one cause of violent acts on a football pitch is frustration and Tyrone had plenty of reasons to get frustrated given how they were being handled by the opposition and referee David Coldrick.
Kerry were exceptional for long spells, no one is denying that, indeed their tackling when the opposition were within scoring range was exemplary. It was hard and fair and intense and there was never the lazy option of giving away a kickable free. But out of that scoring zone they clearly had a plan and by breaking up the play through systematic fouling and by stalling the free taker it allowed them to kill momentum and get players back and set a defensive formation which was highly effective.
And there was no deterrent. Each of those fouls listed above was worthy of a yellow card and forget talk of common sense refereeing meaning you can't send off three or four players when the fouls aren't violent. The only way to stop what was happening was to punish professional fouling in the correct way and one sending off may have stopped what was happening and changed the face of the game. But when that didn't happen Kerry were happy to continue on. And there's the problem for football, the lack of team fouls which could result in a punishment on the scoreboard or in terms of numbers on the pitch through a sin bin.
A few weeks back after watching his own Donegal, Martin McHugh suggested on The Sunday Game that rules needed to be changed to stop teams defending in numbers. It is odd as why should you change the rules for something as subjective as entertaining football? But as the Football Review Committee gets ready to look at the way the game is played, the worry is they'll listen to those sorts of comments and address those issues, all the while ignoring the real issue here. But if they look back at the second half in Killarney they'll see exactly what they have to do when it comes to tinkering with the game.
still looked like Brian grapped onto O`Sullivan arm and fell to the ground to me, though he did come in high, suppose that the neutral point of view though
We all know how the Kerry fans and players celebrated after the Tyrone match, having lost to them the 3 previous times. But Kerry celebrated much the same as I recall, in 2006 when they beat Armagh. And Armagh only beat Kerry once, in 2002. I really do think Kerry don't like anyone getting one over on them.
Cork must be everyone favourite team, big, sour, didn't celebrate winning the national league in previous years, hope everybody happy with them as celebrations out the window in future so not to offend so easily offended visiting supporters!!
Quote from: BennyCake on July 26, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
We all know how the Kerry fans and players celebrated after the Tyrone match, having lost to them the 3 previous times. But Kerry celebrated much the same as I recall, in 2006 when they beat Armagh. And Armagh only beat Kerry once, in 2002. I really do think Kerry don't like anyone getting one over on them.
Have Kerry proven that winning AI's is one thing, But settling old scores holds a a certain stature? I suppose when you come from a county that has won alot, you can be more remembered for what you did not win. Especially when it is to a so called untraditional force that has got the upper hand on you. This in turn can be seen as embarrassing, as in it would not have happened to other
great Kerry teams. Probably the biggest nightmare await Kerry should they meet Cork in the AI final this year!
Ewan McKenna pretty much calls it. Systematic fouling plan in final quarter not picked up by David Colditz.
I'm sure it'll not be long before the 72nd minute tackle on Gooch by Peter in 2005 is mentioned. God Damn it...
NAW i rather go for the mike mccarthy one where ran run into mike and tried to get him booked! and people are complaining about O`Sullivan
To summarise Ewan Mc Kenna, that Meath muppet should be let nowhere near the middle of a park in a dodgy black outfit ever again! :P
Quote from: BennyCake on July 26, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
We all know how the Kerry fans and players celebrated after the Tyrone match, having lost to them the 3 previous times. But Kerry celebrated much the same as I recall, in 2006 when they beat Armagh. And Armagh only beat Kerry once, in 2002. I really do think Kerry don't like anyone getting one over on them.
So we have to be careful regarding celebrating. We celebrated both wins more than most because of the respect we have for those teams. Personally the Armagh win was bigger because they were one of the favourites that year. Then other times we get blasted for not celebrating enough when we win All Irelands. My, but don't ye love turning positives into negatives.
Quote from: ONeill on July 26, 2012, 10:07:37 PM
Off the fence: Crying foul
Posted by EWAN MACKENNA
Thursday 26 July 2012
On a train from Killarney to Dublin last Saturday evening, a group of Tyrone fans stood at the bar and tried to drown their sorrows only to find they're excellent swimmers.
Those from Kerry steered clear of it though, instead basking in the sober reality of what they'd just achieved. But they had one gripe about what had happened during the day's qualifier. "We were lucky that everyone came through without injuries," one man said. "They were up to their same old tricks. They were filthy."
Of course fans are always going to be biased, but this was a particularly odd take on the game. Because, while populism suggests the biggest threat and most damning indictment of modern football is the massed defence, the actual problem with the game had just been demonstrated by Kerry across 30 second-half minutes riddled with systematic and cynical fouls.
We aren't saying that others teams don't do it too. Cork and Donegal in particular are no angels and there's a case to be made for the fact that the better and more clever you are at fouling, the further you will go. But Kerry gave the worst example of a tactic and a ploy that is ruining the game during that second half with Tyrone. Consider the following list of examples from the 40th minute onwards and consider what Tyrone had to endure.
On 40 minutes, after Declan O'Sullivan kicked his third point in a fantastic attacking display, a short kickout was taken to Conor Gormley but Kieran Donaghy's attempt at a tackle was awkward, and Paul Galvin followed it up by hauling the centre-back to the ground and then hung onto him.
On 45 minutes, Donaghy's goal stretched the lead to five and in a commanding position, Kerry clearly decided to slow the game still further. From the resulting kickout, Declan O'Sullivan lazily wrapped his arms around Joe McMahon and then stayed in front of him for the free.
On 48 minutes, after James O'Donoghue pointed and Darran O'Sullivan came on, the new arrival pulled Colm Cavanagh down with another tackle that was lazy from another quick kickout. It was obvious O'Sullivan had no intention of turning over the ball and once the free was awarded, he again obstructed the kicker.
On 52 minutes, following a turnover, Joe McMahon was taken down by Darran O'Sullivan who stood in front of him for a full 11 seconds as he tried to take the free. Finally, McMahon did get to play a short pass to Mark Donnelly but Galvin, Anthony Maher and Shane Enright combined to bundle him over well outside the 45 and well outside shooting distance. From that free, as Tyrone looked for the open man in scoring range, Declan O'Sullivan was hanging out of Stephen O'Neill but the incident went unpunished.
On 54 minutes, Ryan McMenamin turned over a ball in defence and looked to break only to have his legs clipped by Colm Cooper while Donaghy was in quickly to slow play further and laughed in the faces of opposition player as he succeeded.
On 56 minutes, Brian McGuigan finally had enough. From a free out of defence he was taken down high and cynically by Declan O'Sullivan. The Kerry player complained to the referee about his arm, was hit from behind, went down easily and a minute and a red card later he was up laughing at Owen Mulligan. It was stupid from McGuigan and deserving of a red but Tyrone had finally been fouled to breaking point.
On 59 minutes, Enright dragged down Donnelly after a quick free for a square ball. In the next phase of play Maher did the same to Cavanagh. In the next phase of play Aidan O'Mahony did the same to Mulligan. There were no bookings and the ball was still short of the 45. Moments later as Stephen O'Neill went to take a lineball, the ball was kicked away by a Kerry substitute. Nothing happened but when Ryan McMenamin did the same moments later, the ball was moved forward.
On 63 minutes, there was more of the same after Cooper's point as, from a short kickout, Maher fouled, Galvin took off with the ball which led to him being shoved to the ground by Gormley.
On 68 minutes, after Kieran O'Leary's wide, Cavanagh from a short kickout was taken down, and Patrick Curtin's lunge was far more dangerous than that of McGuigan, although the player hit didn't stay down on this occasion.
It's a long and damning list yet doesn't make headlines like more nasty incidents such as Gormley stuffing the ball into the gut of Tomás Ó Sé after the goal or Joe McMahon going for Galvin right at the end. But ask yourself this, which is more disruptive to the actual game? And besides, the number one cause of violent acts on a football pitch is frustration and Tyrone had plenty of reasons to get frustrated given how they were being handled by the opposition and referee David Coldrick.
Kerry were exceptional for long spells, no one is denying that, indeed their tackling when the opposition were within scoring range was exemplary. It was hard and fair and intense and there was never the lazy option of giving away a kickable free. But out of that scoring zone they clearly had a plan and by breaking up the play through systematic fouling and by stalling the free taker it allowed them to kill momentum and get players back and set a defensive formation which was highly effective.
And there was no deterrent. Each of those fouls listed above was worthy of a yellow card and forget talk of common sense refereeing meaning you can't send off three or four players when the fouls aren't violent. The only way to stop what was happening was to punish professional fouling in the correct way and one sending off may have stopped what was happening and changed the face of the game. But when that didn't happen Kerry were happy to continue on. And there's the problem for football, the lack of team fouls which could result in a punishment on the scoreboard or in terms of numbers on the pitch through a sin bin.
A few weeks back after watching his own Donegal, Martin McHugh suggested on The Sunday Game that rules needed to be changed to stop teams defending in numbers. It is odd as why should you change the rules for something as subjective as entertaining football? But as the Football Review Committee gets ready to look at the way the game is played, the worry is they'll listen to those sorts of comments and address those issues, all the while ignoring the real issue here. But if they look back at the second half in Killarney they'll see exactly what they have to do when it comes to tinkering with the game.
QED
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 26, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
Ewan McKenna pretty much calls it. Systematic fouling plan in final quarter not picked up by David Colditz.
Did they actually pay that guy for writing that dribble? Why should Kerry want to slow the game down when they were so much in command? Tyrone were up to that crack in the first half to try and stop the Kerry momentum. They started the cynical stuff when they knew they could not win playing football. Gormley should have walked well before half time and Ricey should have followed him soon afterwards. Of course McKenna did not want to write about the first half.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 26, 2012, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 26, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
We all know how the Kerry fans and players celebrated after the Tyrone match, having lost to them the 3 previous times. But Kerry celebrated much the same as I recall, in 2006 when they beat Armagh. And Armagh only beat Kerry once, in 2002. I really do think Kerry don't like anyone getting one over on them.
Have Kerry proven that winning AI's is one thing, But settling old scores holds a a certain stature? I suppose when you come from a county that has won alot, you can be more remembered for what you did not win. Especially when it is to a so called untraditional force that has got the upper hand on you. This in turn can be seen as embarrassing, as in it would not have happened to other great Kerry teams. Probably the biggest nightmare await Kerry should they meet Cork in the AI final this year!
Why is this so? They are definitely going to beat us sometime when it really matters and it could well happen this year. We would be first to congratulate them when that happens.
2 things. Brian mc guigan should broadcast only through twitter 140 characters max. Also Kerry have moved puke football onto a new level. I heard one guy calling it anti football. I wouldn't argue
This is a great thread. Mods, can we make it a stickie ?
Quote from: Seamus on July 27, 2012, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 26, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
Ewan McKenna pretty much calls it. Systematic fouling plan in final quarter not picked up by David Colditz.
Did they actually pay that guy for writing that dribble? Why should Kerry want to slow the game down when they were so much in command? Tyrone were up to that crack in the first half to try and stop the Kerry momentum. They started the cynical stuff when they knew they could not win playing football. Gormley should have walked well before half time and Ricey should have followed him soon afterwards. Of course McKenna did not want to write about the first half.
So, teams featured aside, do you agree cynical fouling should be tackled or not?
That's the central thesis of his piece. The fact that it happens to be Kerry, made out by many to be the guardians of the beautiful game, only gives it the platform he is looking for, which is what any good journalist is going to do.
Tyrone Fouled, Kerry fouled and then kerry won! End of. Good luck to kerry for the rest of the year.
Brian didn't get the 'One GAA Family, Respect' memo then...
McGuigan spits fury at Kerry duo
By John Fogarty
Friday, July 27, 2012
Tyrone's Brian McGuigan has sensationally claimed Declan O'Sullivan exaggerated an injury to get him sent off last Saturday.
The Ardboe man, a second-half sub last weekend, said his opponent "smiled and sniggered" after David Coldrick dismissed him and compared the Kerry forward's action to Cristiano Ronaldo's wink following Wayne Rooney's sending off in the 2006 World Cup.
McGuigan was scathing in his criticism of O'Sullivan who he believes, along with Colm Cooper, looked down on Tyrone. He recalled how O'Sullivan refused to shake hands with him after Tyrone beat them in a league game in Omagh in 2010.
However, it was last Saturday's events in Fitzgerald Stadium which agitated McGuigan most.
"The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O'Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off," McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column.
"I suppose it was a bit like when Cristiano Ronaldo had the wink when he got Wayne Rooney sent off at the World Cup. That image will never leave me. People might turn around and say I got Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final [2003], but as I've said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. Declan O'Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line."
McGuigan went on to suggest O'Sullivan and Cooper are arrogant.
"Two boys I have found who always had an opinion about themselves were Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper. They always gave the impression they looked down on you. When we were on trips away with the All Stars, I got on like a house on fire with Tomás Ó Sé, for example. But not those two boys. That's not sour grapes, because they're class players. But there's a way to go about things."
McGuigan even claimed O'Sullivan refused to shake his hand after Tyrone's league win over Kerry two years ago. He also made reference to the Dromid Pearses man's involvement in January's ugly All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Tyrone side Derrytresk.
"He was just pure ignorant. Fair enough, it was hard on them, the way they lost [to Colm Cavanagh's late goal] but there's still a way to conduct yourself.
"I think O'Sullivan and Gooch are from the same frame of mind as Pat Spillane, where they could never seem to accept that Tyrone could beat them... they didn't like it when we came along and beat them not once but three times."
McGuigan qualified that there are "many great people in Kerry" and recalled Jack O'Connor wrote him a "get well" letter after his serious eye injury in 2007. He also praised Kerry supporters for the ovation they gave Mickey Harte last Saturday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcguigan-spits-fury-at-kerry-duo-202185.html
Doenst protray Mc Guigan very well, a class player on the field, on his day one of the best. but spoutting shite to the media and making it personal about fellow gaa players is low.
he may just go and sell those all stars and medals and forget about the whole thing,
you know, winning is always so easy on the soul. Makes you wonder why some lads do it so badly #Tyronewums
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2012, 03:41:12 AM
This is a great thread. Mods, can we make it a stickie ?
I am sure you have delivered a few stickies of your own posting on it, surprised your keys still work!
Quote from: Cold tea on July 27, 2012, 09:12:53 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 27, 2012, 03:41:12 AM
This is a great thread. Mods, can we make it a stickie ?
I am sure you have delivered a few stickies of your own posting on it, surprised your keys still work!
Can you explain ? what I was talking about was keeeping the post topic at the top of the page. What
were you talking about ?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
A mate of mine is a 50+year old Dub. Married to a Kerry woman for a long time and they go down to Kerry quite often. He said every year they have great craic talking football.
He said he went down last Christmas and the when the lads in the pub saw him they'd hardly talk to him at all. Very dry and taking the loss to the Dubs very badly
That wasn't my experience at all - lots of Kerry people in my club and I've a few friends down there and all were extremely gracious and had the craic with us.
Typical whinging from that cretin mcguigan,they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree like his whingebag of a father.
QuoteThat wasn't my experience at all - lots of Kerry people in my club and I've a few friends down there and all were extremely gracious and had the craic with us.
+1
I thought we were pretty mellow in victory. Bit sad to see us described as "hostile".
I think given 9 years of taunting that Gooch and Galvin could be forgiven a fist pump or two.
Also, everthough I never agreed with his book after the 2003 semi-final,
the reaction of Kerry fans to Mickey Harte was genuine so lets leave that aspect of the Kerry v Tyrone relationship unspoiled by cynicism..ok ?
Quote from: sheamy on July 27, 2012, 07:54:46 AM
Brian didn't get the 'One GAA Family, Respect' memo then...
McGuigan spits fury at Kerry duo
By John Fogarty
Friday, July 27, 2012
Tyrone's Brian McGuigan has sensationally claimed Declan O'Sullivan exaggerated an injury to get him sent off last Saturday.
The Ardboe man, a second-half sub last weekend, said his opponent "smiled and sniggered" after David Coldrick dismissed him and compared the Kerry forward's action to Cristiano Ronaldo's wink following Wayne Rooney's sending off in the 2006 World Cup.
McGuigan was scathing in his criticism of O'Sullivan who he believes, along with Colm Cooper, looked down on Tyrone. He recalled how O'Sullivan refused to shake hands with him after Tyrone beat them in a league game in Omagh in 2010.
However, it was last Saturday's events in Fitzgerald Stadium which agitated McGuigan most.
"The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O'Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off," McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column.
"I suppose it was a bit like when Cristiano Ronaldo had the wink when he got Wayne Rooney sent off at the World Cup. That image will never leave me. People might turn around and say I got Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final [2003], but as I've said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. Declan O'Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line."
McGuigan went on to suggest O'Sullivan and Cooper are arrogant.
"Two boys I have found who always had an opinion about themselves were Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper. They always gave the impression they looked down on you. When we were on trips away with the All Stars, I got on like a house on fire with Tomás Ó Sé, for example. But not those two boys. That's not sour grapes, because they're class players. But there's a way to go about things."
McGuigan even claimed O'Sullivan refused to shake his hand after Tyrone's league win over Kerry two years ago. He also made reference to the Dromid Pearses man's involvement in January's ugly All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Tyrone side Derrytresk.
"He was just pure ignorant. Fair enough, it was hard on them, the way they lost [to Colm Cavanagh's late goal] but there's still a way to conduct yourself.
"I think O'Sullivan and Gooch are from the same frame of mind as Pat Spillane, where they could never seem to accept that Tyrone could beat them... they didn't like it when we came along and beat them not once but three times."
McGuigan qualified that there are "many great people in Kerry" and recalled Jack O'Connor wrote him a "get well" letter after his serious eye injury in 2007. He also praised Kerry supporters for the ovation they gave Mickey Harte last Saturday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcguigan-spits-fury-at-kerry-duo-202185.html
Dare I mention MarsdenJordanGate? 'There's a way to go about things'. Balls McGuigan.
I can't understand what Tyrone fans expect, Kerry hadn't beaten them in the last decade, there were written off as a spent force of course the atmosphere was going to be hostile to and extent. It appeared no worse than the atmoshere at some Armagh Tyrone games I've been at. Yes Kerry played up some of the injuries, so did Tyrone. And while were at it, I sat in front of Derrytresk fans in the Athletic grounds and they weren't exactly complimentry to the opposition. Supporters are like that, all teams play up. But for me the true ethos of the GAA was the 500 or so who remained behind to applaude Tyrone. Even if it was connected to Mickey Hartes troubles, so what a lovely gesture. As for McGuigan if he hadn't given O'Sullivan a dig then the ref wouldn't have had to make a decision...sore loser? I'll not mention karma or the Marsden sending off...oh wait I did.
Quote from: Declan on July 27, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
QuoteThat wasn't my experience at all - lots of Kerry people in my club and I've a few friends down there and all were extremely gracious and had the craic with us.
+1
I've always found Kerry supporters to be very gracious and sporting. There's always a few gobshites who support every county but I wouldn't let them taint my view of a whole group of people.
Quote from: Declan on July 27, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
QuoteThat wasn't my experience at all - lots of Kerry people in my club and I've a few friends down there and all were extremely gracious and had the craic with us.
+1
+2
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 26, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: sheamy on July 25, 2012, 08:26:43 AM
I'd seriously question whether Tyrone would have been applauded out of Killarney had they won, or if it was raining. Still, good to see.
Sheamy I find myself yet again agreeing with you. I need to be more careful. ;D
I was not at the match in Killarney and so can't comment on the how bad some sections of the crowd behaved or how well other sections carried themselves by being good winners. I have heard several stories both good and bad.
I do of course have an opinion and whilst I really do believe that most of those 500 do feel sorry for Mickey and his personal turmoil of late, I really do think a lot of that good will is a lot easier delivered in victory rather than in defeat.
During the 2008 final, I was up near the roof top of the Cusask and was surrounded by Kerry fans of all ages and personalties. I was there with my brother who had never been to a big championship match before. Now I was quite worried that we would lose that day so I wasn't my normal jovial self but I could strongly detect the bitterness and anti-Tyrone feeling the whole way during the match. Any time I would try to take their side or engage in pleasantaries they were having none of it.
So then when they looked like they could go on to win the game the got a lot more vocal and almost in my face with the attitude we have ye now. Then when Tyrone came strong in the final 10 mins, most of them, NOT ALL, got up and left. Nobody shook our hands and said well done lads. NOBODY.
In 2003 I was sitting near a lot of Armagh fans and the tension was unbearable. There had been talk before it about need for segregation. At the end nearly every Armagh fan shook my hand. Some hugged me and said enjoy it whilst you can.
My point is Kerry DO NOT like losing. They are sore sore losers. They don't mind you winning the odd one but they want to be high kings in their kingdom. They don't like it when you don't bow down and say they are the best and play the purist of football.
So whilst I admire this gesture of 500 fans staying behind to bid Tyrone and Mickey a warm goodbye, could it be with a hint of at last we have beaten ye and because so we can now show ye how nice and welcoming we are.
In my eyes it takes a lot more balls and honesty, to swallow your pride, your anger, your dismay, the total emptiness feeling of losing to turn around to your winning fan and say well done. You beat us fair and square and I hope you enjoy your day in the sun as we'll be back to get it back of ye next year.
A mate of mine is a 50+year old Dub. Married to a Kerry woman for a long time and they go down to Kerry quite often. He said every year they have great craic talking football.
He said he went down last Christmas and the when the lads in the pub saw him they'd hardly talk to him at all. Very dry and taking the loss to the Dubs very badly
I've been to a dozen or so All-Ireland finals and I can honestly say every time Kerry lost the final I shook hands and congratulated the opposition fans in my vicinity, but for most of the finals I attended Kerry won I can safely say not once did an opposing fan congratulate me or anyone around me, that includes Tyrone in 86, Dublin, Galway, Cork, Mayo, Offaly, Roscommon and you know what, it didn't matter to me because all I cared about was that Kerry had won the All-Ireland final. You'd need to be fairly petty to use the fact that the opposition fans nearby didn't give you a handshake, a hug, a big kiss on the cheek or whatever else you were expecting as a stick to beat them with years down the line. Also, those around you are a small cross-section, hardly representative of an entire county.
My aunt's sister-in-law's cousin's boyfriend went to Tyrone 6 months after the 1986 final and didn't have great craic in the pub, so on that basis everyone in Tyrone must be a sore loser. The crowd attending the Kilkenny cat laughs didn't laugh hysterically at all the jokes 9 months after losing the 2010 All-Ireland final to Tipp so they must be all sore losers in Kilkenny as well.
It's very disappointing to hear so many people reacting to the story about the Kerry crowd applauding the Tyrone team and Mickey Harte with something along the lines of "They wouldn't have done that if Tyrone had won". Most Kerry folk I met or was talking during the week had mentioned how they'd love to do something to acknowledge our support and a hand of friendship to the Harte family, particularly so soon after the whole trial and photos debacle. Also, Michaela had her own small connection with Kerry (women) having been the Ulster Rose in the 2004 Rose of Tralee. Many had said that they'd wait until after the final whistle and try and meet Mickey Harte. There was various other mentions of minutes applause/silence before the game which I felt was wrong - the way it ended up being done was the best way in my opinion. As I said, people had this planned before even going to the game and would have done it come hail or rain, win or lose. It's especially disappointing to hear such negative comments about this lovely gesture from Tyrone people.
So your main point is that Kerry don't like losing? Stop the presses, sports team in "don't like losing" shocker. Show me a good loser and I'll show you a man playing golf with his boss. If you think Kerry people aren't gracious losers maybe you should take a look at Tomás Ó Sé's reaction to losing last year's All-Ireland final. I'm guessing you're too young to have attended the '86 final. In that case you won't have experienced losing an All-Ireland final, so consider yourself extremely lucky and if you ever do, you might realise why not everyone in a similar position is in the mood to go around backslapping and giving handshakes to those around them. I do it myself to a degree but I don't think any less of anyone who doesn't.
Quote from: sheamy on July 27, 2012, 07:54:46 AM
Brian didn't get the 'One GAA Family, Respect' memo then...
McGuigan spits fury at Kerry duo
By John Fogarty
Friday, July 27, 2012
Tyrone's Brian McGuigan has sensationally claimed Declan O'Sullivan exaggerated an injury to get him sent off last Saturday.
The Ardboe man, a second-half sub last weekend, said his opponent "smiled and sniggered" after David Coldrick dismissed him and compared the Kerry forward's action to Cristiano Ronaldo's wink following Wayne Rooney's sending off in the 2006 World Cup.
McGuigan was scathing in his criticism of O'Sullivan who he believes, along with Colm Cooper, looked down on Tyrone. He recalled how O'Sullivan refused to shake hands with him after Tyrone beat them in a league game in Omagh in 2010.
However, it was last Saturday's events in Fitzgerald Stadium which agitated McGuigan most.
"The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O'Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off," McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column.
"I suppose it was a bit like when Cristiano Ronaldo had the wink when he got Wayne Rooney sent off at the World Cup. That image will never leave me. People might turn around and say I got Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final [2003], but as I've said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. Declan O'Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line."
McGuigan went on to suggest O'Sullivan and Cooper are arrogant.
"Two boys I have found who always had an opinion about themselves were Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper. They always gave the impression they looked down on you. When we were on trips away with the All Stars, I got on like a house on fire with Tomás Ó Sé, for example. But not those two boys. That's not sour grapes, because they're class players. But there's a way to go about things."
McGuigan even claimed O'Sullivan refused to shake his hand after Tyrone's league win over Kerry two years ago. He also made reference to the Dromid Pearses man's involvement in January's ugly All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Tyrone side Derrytresk.
"He was just pure ignorant. Fair enough, it was hard on them, the way they lost [to Colm Cavanagh's late goal] but there's still a way to conduct yourself.
"I think O'Sullivan and Gooch are from the same frame of mind as Pat Spillane, where they could never seem to accept that Tyrone could beat them... they didn't like it when we came along and beat them not once but three times."
McGuigan qualified that there are "many great people in Kerry" and recalled Jack O'Connor wrote him a "get well" letter after his serious eye injury in 2007. He also praised Kerry supporters for the ovation they gave Mickey Harte last Saturday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcguigan-spits-fury-at-kerry-duo-202185.html
Disappointed in mcguigan here as he is a player i always liked. Tyrone beat kerry 3 times recently and i've never heard one of their players complaining afterwards even though they probably could have done given how tyrone and messrs mcmenamin and gormley play the game. The first time kerry beat tyrone we have one of their players whinging to the press. We also had to listen to micky harte whinging about the referee. Yes the ref made mistakes but in my opinion the majority of his mistakes were in favour of tyrone and i was supporting tyrone in this match. He should have sent curten off but that was near the end of the match and by then gormley should have been off (before half time) along with mcguigan. Mcguigan has gone way down in my estimation. Class player but not class off the pitch.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 27, 2012, 10:18:31 AM
But for me the true ethos of the GAA was the 500 or so who remained behind to applaude Tyrone. Even if it was connected to Mickey Hartes troubles, so what a lovely gesture.
Having read all the replies since my own initial post I have maybe let some Kerry fans attitudes from previous games I've attended influence my reading of the 500 that stayed on to show their support for Mickey and the team. Yes, by winning it certainly made it easier for large numbers to stay behind on a nice summer's evening, but the gesture was a good one and maybe my clouded judgement at the time was influenced that Kerry had beaten us well. They certainly mixed the good with the ugly with their victory. They know how to play rough and dirty as well as being able to play clean & exciting football.
If I am to be honest I don't like Kerry any more but I have to admire how they continue to re-invent themselves year after year. Unlike many reams who go through phases of dominance they always seem to be there or thereabouts year after year.
I suppose the one jibe I can still make at them is that whilst Tyrone and now Donegal get a lot of bad press for their negative tactics and maybe not enough good news about their great play.
Kerry continue to talk about being the purists and that they're not into the cynical or darker side of the game.
Even Kilkenny in hurling admit they're no angels
Congrats Kerry on beating us out the door. Ye should have won by more and I was disgusted with our performance. Yes the ref had a huge part to play but I have not and will not go on about him.
The fact that Mickey broke his
usual silence about the ref speaks volumes of how bad he was.
As big Dara surprisingly only found out recently, I think you'll still find everyone else will be supporting the Dubs, Donegal or Cork if they meet ye
Finally, I am man enough to say I got it wrong with my analysis of those 500 people who stayed behind. They have a healthy respect for Mickey Harte and their gesture was a good one and should be applauded. They mightn't love everyone on the Tyrone panel or our fans but sure that's part & parcel of sport. We have given them and a few other teams some great exciting games of football over the last 10 years.
Hopefully we can get back to that top table with a new bunch of players soon.
The talk of sore losers by Fuzzman in the circumstances is pretty ironic.
In 2003, 2005, and 2008 Tyrone scored more therefore were the better team. In 2012 Kerry scored more so they were the better team. All the rest about pure football, puke football, blanket defence etc etc... is all bullshit. This game was a week ago so now lets get over it. Kerry have the rest of the Championship to worry about and Tyrone have a club championship to be getting on with.
Some of the stuff on here is embarrassing.
Well said EC!
Brian McGuigan's got some neck on him. Split my sides laughing at that article of his.
Quote from: sheamy on July 27, 2012, 07:54:46 AM
Brian didn't get the 'One GAA Family, Respect' memo then...
McGuigan spits fury at Kerry duo
By John Fogarty
Friday, July 27, 2012
Tyrone's Brian McGuigan has sensationally claimed Declan O'Sullivan exaggerated an injury to get him sent off last Saturday.
The Ardboe man, a second-half sub last weekend, said his opponent "smiled and sniggered" after David Coldrick dismissed him and compared the Kerry forward's action to Cristiano Ronaldo's wink following Wayne Rooney's sending off in the 2006 World Cup.
McGuigan was scathing in his criticism of O'Sullivan who he believes, along with Colm Cooper, looked down on Tyrone. He recalled how O'Sullivan refused to shake hands with him after Tyrone beat them in a league game in Omagh in 2010.
However, it was last Saturday's events in Fitzgerald Stadium which agitated McGuigan most.
"The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O'Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off," McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column.
"I suppose it was a bit like when Cristiano Ronaldo had the wink when he got Wayne Rooney sent off at the World Cup. That image will never leave me. People might turn around and say I got Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final [2003], but as I've said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. Declan O'Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line."
McGuigan went on to suggest O'Sullivan and Cooper are arrogant.
"Two boys I have found who always had an opinion about themselves were Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper. They always gave the impression they looked down on you. When we were on trips away with the All Stars, I got on like a house on fire with Tomás Ó Sé, for example. But not those two boys. That's not sour grapes, because they're class players. But there's a way to go about things."
McGuigan even claimed O'Sullivan refused to shake his hand after Tyrone's league win over Kerry two years ago. He also made reference to the Dromid Pearses man's involvement in January's ugly All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Tyrone side Derrytresk.
"He was just pure ignorant. Fair enough, it was hard on them, the way they lost [to Colm Cavanagh's late goal] but there's still a way to conduct yourself.
"I think O'Sullivan and Gooch are from the same frame of mind as Pat Spillane, where they could never seem to accept that Tyrone could beat them... they didn't like it when we came along and beat them not once but three times."
McGuigan qualified that there are "many great people in Kerry" and recalled Jack O'Connor wrote him a "get well" letter after his serious eye injury in 2007. He also praised Kerry supporters for the ovation they gave Mickey Harte last Saturday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcguigan-spits-fury-at-kerry-duo-202185.html
LOL great article. Fellow amateurs having a pop at one another, better than the usual media friendly and boring PC bullshit.
It may be classless but at least its a good read and gets people talking.
Quote from: sheamy on July 27, 2012, 07:33:58 AM
Quote from: Seamus on July 27, 2012, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 26, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
Ewan McKenna pretty much calls it. Systematic fouling plan in final quarter not picked up by David Colditz.
Did they actually pay that guy for writing that dribble? Why should Kerry want to slow the game down when they were so much in command? Tyrone were up to that crack in the first half to try and stop the Kerry momentum. They started the cynical stuff when they knew they could not win playing football. Gormley should have walked well before half time and Ricey should have followed him soon afterwards. Of course McKenna did not want to write about the first half.
So, teams featured aside, do you agree cynical fouling should be tackled or not?
That's the central thesis of his piece. The fact that it happens to be Kerry, made out by many to be the guardians of the beautiful game, only gives it the platform he is looking for, which is what any good journalist is going to do.
A good journalist gives a fair and balanced account of proceedings, McKenna's article is an insult to journalism.
All of the top teams cynically foul in the opposition's half - it's normal practice. I only wish Armagh would cotton on to it.
Quote from: Armamike on July 27, 2012, 05:14:46 PM
All of the top teams cynically foul in the opposition's half - it's normal practice. I only wish Armagh all of the Armagh players would cotton on to it.
Fixed that for you. You've a couple of lads not bad at it.
One of them was very effective on Peter Harte in the Athletic Grounds.
Quote from: orangeman on July 27, 2012, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: Armamike on July 27, 2012, 05:14:46 PM
All of the top teams cynically foul in the opposition's half - it's normal practice. I only wish Armagh all of the Armagh players would cotton on to it.
Fixed that for you. You've a couple of lads not bad at it.
One of them was very effective on Peter Harte in the Athletic Grounds.
Yeah but that was a once off. He usually breaks the golden rule and fouls like a mad man around the 21 yard line!
Kudos to Mulligan for giving the prizemoney back...
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Mulligan is a lotto winner in Kerry
27 July 2012
His outing with the Tyrone footballers may have ended in disappointment on Saturday but Owen Mulligan had more success in the Spa club lotto on Sunday night.
The corner forward stayed on after his county's exit from the championship at the hands of the Kingdom and supported the club when asked to buy a lotto ticket.
While he didn't match four numbers, his ticket was pulled out in the lucky draw and he was presented with a cheque for €50, which he immediately donated to the club after it was presented to him.
Mulligan and the Spa club crossed swords before in 2010 when Cookstown defeated the Kerry champions in the All-Ireland club IFC final.
For those of you feeling lucky, the jackpot is €3,800 this weekend.
Fair play to him. That €50 would have sorted the hair bleach out for the rest of the year!
One of the things that stood out for me seconds after the final whistle was how gracious Owen Mulligan was in defeat. After a tough afternoon with Aidan O'Mahony in every sense of the word all was forgotten as it should be. His comments afterwards were also very sporting. In those few seconds my estimation of him shot way up. Now forever I will classify him as both a great player and individual. It's a shame Brian McGuigan did not follow suit.
whens this thread gona end, game over a week
When rivals become teammates
Posted by MICKEY HARTE
http://experiencemore.ie/experience-speaks/2012/07/27/when-rivals-become-teammates
It was a very disappointing end to a promising season for us. The most important thing for us earlier in the year was to gain promotion, which we did. And up until the final against Kildare it looked as if we could compete at a high level.
Unfortunately injuries took their toll and some players who were in great form during the league dipped a bit. That combination left our squad depleted and deprived us of that vital energy we needed at a key point in the season.
The draw pitting us against Kerry in Killarney when they were coming off the back of a poor performance was the toughest draw of all for us. We just have to make sure that we're more competitive next season and we'll certainly endeavour to do that.
After the final whistle, as I made my way toward the dressing room, lots and lots of Kerry supporters wanted to get autographs and it was a bit flattering for me to think that Kerry supporters would want my autograph. I stopped and did as many as I could but I had to get back to my team and unfortunately I couldn't give them all the time I would've liked.
I really wanted to get back to the team, though, because it was our last game of the season. There were lots of people waiting around when we got out of the dressing room and were on our way to the bus and it was a nice gesture from them.
It shows the respect that exists in the GAA world. Even when teams are archrivals on the field after all's said and done there's a great friendship within our association. Long may that continue.
In the spirit of that kinship and the rivalry that has developed between the counties over the years — and knowing full well the debate it could spark — we asked Mickey if he would pick a composite Tyrone/Kerry team of the first decade of this century. Of course, he obliged and his selection is below.
This was quite a task and, like everything, a team such as this one is a matter of opinion. To try to pick such a team, you know you're going to leave some very good players out of it. There are so many marquee names there in the mix but I gave it a shot in any case.
Goalkeeper: Pascal McConnell (Tyrone)
Packie is my choice at number one. People may raise an eyebrow that he didn't get an All Star but he has been such a consistent player over the past decade. John Devine has been a great stalwart for us, too, and was the man in goals in 2003 but Packie was back in 2005. Unfortunately, John missed out again in 2008 due to the death of his father and Packie came in and had a wonderful game.
So Packie has played in two finals but people outside of Tyrone wouldn't understand the competitive edge that existed between those two players. Normally in the goalkeeping positions there is the number one who's there all the time and the second choice gets in when there is an injury. That was never the case in Tyrone where Packie and John were always vying for the number one position. That spurred them on but, conversely, it cost both the chance to be known as a household name nationwide.
Packie just tips the balance for what he's done over the years. He came up through my underage teams as well so I've spent a lot of time with him since 1998 and I just know the quality that he possesses. Kerry people might have different ideas and Diarmuid Murphy waited a long time behind Declan O'Keefe for his chance before proving himself to be a top keeper.
Full-back line: Marc Ó'Sé (Kerry); Mike McCarthy (Kerry); Conor Gormley (Tyrone)
Looking at this team, I would just love to have it. No one could dispute that Marc Ó'Sé has been the best corner-back over the last decade. Beside him I've chosen Mike McCarthy. Having said that, though, had the late Cormac McAnallen still been with us I would be confident that he would be filling the number three spot. Unfortunately, he was only with us for the 2003 final but I would like to acknowledge him in this selection. I have no doubt he would have occupied that position over the last decade and he was a huge loss to us, to Tyrone football and, of course, to his family.
McCarthy was a really competitive full-back who could play centre-back as well and he was a real footballing defender.
On the other side I have Conor Gormley. He played half-back for us in '03 and has been all around the defence. He has been the man to mark marquee forwards and by and large has done that very well for us over the last decade. He's famous for that block against Steven McDonnell in 2003 which will be remembered as an iconic piece of GAA action forever.
Half-back line: Tomás Ó'Sé (Kerry); Seamus Moynihan (Kerry); Philip Jordan (Kerry)
Tomás Ó'Sé has owned this position in Kerry for a long time and when you own a position in Kerry you've got something about you. He has the ability to go forward with real power and the precision to kick points at pace.
At centre-half back I picked Seamus Moynihan. He was a quality, footballing defender with great energy and enthusiasm. For his size he was a great fielder of the ball and he was always capable of making those powerful, purposeful runs forward.
On the left I've gone for Philip. He never missed a senior championship game from the time he started playing for Tyrone and that record will probably remain unequalled. It is an amazing feat. He was a player who covered brilliantly at the back but was always a threat going forward.
I think that's quite a defence and I don't think Packie would have to worry much about saves with that six in front of him.
Midfield: Darragh Ó'Sé (Kerry); Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone)
These two almost pick themselves. Darragh Ó'Sé was a fantastic player and has the All Stars and the All-Irelands to prove it. He was a man who could field the ball over anybody and if Kerry were in trouble he would always pull off a catch or two that would turn the game. He was a powerful man on the field and took no prisoners.
Alonside him I have to pick Seán who got three All Stars from the middle of the field. He's an adaptable player who can go forward as well and there is a good balance there with Seán attacking and Darragh sitting back and defending.
Seán's an extremely capable footballer, brilliant at taking scores and if only he hadn't been injured this year things could have worked out very differently for us.
Half-forward line: Brian Dooher (Tyrone); Brian McGuigan (Tyrone); Paul Galvin (Kerry)
From a Tyrone perspective, you couldn't put out a team without Brian Dooher. His loss to us was incalculable and I always knew it would be. It wasn't just his work-rate; it was the intelligent nature of it. He didn't get on the ball by accident; he got on it by design. He was prepared to work hard to be in the right place but then was very clever to pick up the bits and pieces. He was an exceptional player and would make anybody's team.
At centre-half forward there is a big debate and some people would say Declan O'Sullivan should be there. Maybe there's a bit of bias but I've seen Brian come through from minor and under-21 and I've seen what he's done for us over the years. He has a quality second to none and his ability to make space for himself, his vision on the ball and his sheer guile really shows you what we lost when he was sent off in the wrong last Saturday.
We lost a serious competitor who could have unlocked the Kerry defence because that's what he has been doing all his football life. In the latter stages of his career he lost none of that guile and came back from a broken leg and a bad injury to be a vital player for us in the 2008 final when he came in and helped us over the finish line. There is no way I'd leave him out of a team of the last decade.
At left-half forward is Paul Galvin who in many ways became Kerry's very own Brian Dooher. He continues to play that role and has a lot of the same traits that Brian has (and a lot that he doesn't have!) He is a quality player who always gets on the ball and supplies it inside to make things happen for Kerry.
Full-forward line: Colm Cooper (Kerry); Stephen O'Neill (Tyrone); Peter Canavan (Tyrone)
Who wouldn't want this full-forward line? I think it's as good an inside line as was ever named on any team. The Gooch in the corner still continues to do it and we've been talking about him so long you'd think he was ten years older. He's such a class act: his ability to lose his marker; his ability to dummy people when even if they know it is coming they still can't do anything about it; and the ability he has developed on his right foot when he was predominantly left-sided when he was younger. He continues to deliver for Kerry and if they need a score he's always the go-to man.
I'll put Stephen O'Neill at full-forward. I've had him through minor and under-21 and he has produced some of the most unbelievable scores that you could imagine. Again he was a player who was very left-footed as a youngster but he worked on his right foot to the extent that he was scoring points from as acute an angle on the right side as he was on the left. It's always great when a player has the dedication to develop their game in such a way.
Physically he's very strong and he took a number of penalties for us in high-pressure situations. Even though players knew which side he was going to put the ball there was nothing they could do to stop it because he's so confident in his own ability and skill. He came on in the '03 final whenever Peter Canavan came off and seamlessly slotted into the team and made a huge difference for us. He put a new challenge in front of Kerry that day after they had been tuned in to the threat Peter posed.
And, of course, who else could I pick in the other corner only Peter. I don't think there would have been a team named over the course of his career without him in it if it was an option. All the things I've said about the Gooch, about Brian McGuigan and about Stephen O'Neill could be said about Peter.
He had the vision, the ability to go left or right and he had steel in his game. He also had immense composure under pressure. That was evident in the goal he scored in 2005 and I don't know who else could have scored it. It had to be good to beat Murphy and he had the composure to trickle the ball into the net when any kind of a ferocious shot would have been saved.
Then there is the free-kick he took against Armagh that put us into that final. I don't know too many players with the nerves of steel to put that ball over in the bar in that situation and given what it meant to the county. And he took so many other important kicks for Tyrone. I've no problem at all putting him in this side.
Substitutes
Of course there are so many other players in contention. I've already mentioned Declan O'Sullivan but you have to ask who you'd leave out for him.
Ryan McMenamin gave a lot of quality to Tyrone over the years while, up front, Dara Ó'Cinnéide would also be in contention for a spot. He'll have to be content with a place on the bench here.
Tom O'Sullivan was a great stalwart at the back also for Kerry over the years. Mugsy for us in the corner was that flamboyant finisher and Joe McMahon, who came through from 2005 on, was a serious player, too.
And then there's Kevin Hughes who missed out in 2005 but then made such a significant contribution in our '08 victory.
All those guys are in the mix but, overall, I think the names of the first 15 on the sheet would take a lot of beating.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 27, 2012, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 27, 2012, 10:18:31 AM
But for me the true ethos of the GAA was the 500 or so who remained behind to applaude Tyrone. Even if it was connected to Mickey Hartes troubles, so what a lovely gesture.
If I am to be honest I don't like Kerry any more but I have to admire how they continue to re-invent themselves year after year. Unlike many reams who go through phases of dominance they always seem to be there or thereabouts year after year.
Thats fine. The feeling is mutual, but lets be absolutely clear here, while the root of Tyrone/Kerry animosity has a lot to do with us being bad losers it has a lot more to do with Tyrone being very bad winners....which is why Kerry people are wryly amused to hear Tyrone complaining about the Kerry crowd and the players celebrations. Mother of god, don't you have any self-awareness !
On a seperate note,I was watching the replays and though I am biased, Killarney is quite simply the best venue in Ireland for Gaelic football bar none.
Fuzzman we are SOOO gutted you don't like kerry anymore SOOOOOO gutted
Quote from: mlcollins on July 28, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
Fuzzman we are SOOO gutted you don't like kerry anymore SOOOOOO gutted
Sorry mlcollins you're so gutted. I hope ye sleep OK tonight
How many logins do you have now? I see ye use them sparingly.
I've said my bit and I speak my mind unlike a lot in here.
It's not that long ago a lot of Kerry folk were saying they don't have any issue with Tyrone and it won't mean much to them when they finally beat us. They've won a lot more All-Irelands than us and they don't have to prove anything to Tyrone.
Seems to me it meant a lot more last week than they were letting on.
At least ye had the balls to admit ye were bad losers.
I can say the same that we too can be bad losers and some of us bad winners.
Good luck against Clare. I hope they don't bring their hurls. ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2012, 02:14:47 AM
whens this thread gona end, game over a week
Just because the game happened a week ago doesn't mean there are no issues to talk about. Tyrone v kildare is more interesting than all 4 games on today for example. Come next wkend it gets interesting again.
Kerry and clare people don't seem to bothered with their thread so far, i had to look hard to see if there was one
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 28, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on July 28, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
Fuzzman we are SOOO gutted you don't like kerry anymore SOOOOOO gutted
Sorry mlcollins you're so gutted. I hope ye sleep OK tonight
How many logins do you have now? I see ye use them sparingly.
I've said my bit and I speak my mind unlike a lot in here.
It's not that long ago a lot of Kerry folk were saying they don't have any issue with Tyrone and it won't mean much to them when they finally beat us. They've won a lot more All-Irelands than us and they don't have to prove anything to Tyrone.
Seems to me it meant a lot more last week than they were letting on.
At least ye had the balls to admit ye were bad losers.
I can say the same that we too can be bad losers and some of us bad winners.
Good luck against Clare. I hope they don't bring their hurls. ;D
"when they finally beat us" ? ffs we have 36 all irelands.... ::) we are here every year...where were you ? Tyrone simply never deliver when there is any level of expectation. The true test of a team is back-to-back. You never showed up.
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
what an ignorant tosser.
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
Why, what's on in Dublin?
Deadly buzz in Dublin
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 29, 2012, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 28, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on July 28, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
Fuzzman we are SOOO gutted you don't like kerry anymore SOOOOOO gutted
Sorry mlcollins you're so gutted. I hope ye sleep OK tonight
How many logins do you have now? I see ye use them sparingly.
I've said my bit and I speak my mind unlike a lot in here.
It's not that long ago a lot of Kerry folk were saying they don't have any issue with Tyrone and it won't mean much to them when they finally beat us. They've won a lot more All-Irelands than us and they don't have to prove anything to Tyrone.
Seems to me it meant a lot more last week than they were letting on.
At least ye had the balls to admit ye were bad losers.
I can say the same that we too can be bad losers and some of us bad winners.
Good luck against Clare. I hope they don't bring their hurls. ;D
"when they finally beat us" ? ffs we have 36 all irelands.... ::) we are here every year...where were you ? Tyrone simply never deliver when there is any level of expectation. The true test of a team is back-to-back. You never showed up.
You represent everything that is wrong with Kerry football - p***k
I see you finally showed up you chickenshit. You have been one of the mouthier Tyrone wums on here. Always giving it loads on the good days but you were a quiet lad on the lead up to the game (shitting your togs no doubt) and you were an even quieter fella after the game.
I knew you didnt have the stomach for it you pussy.
that's fighting talk.
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
How did you know I lived near Dublin Bay where the coastguard often flies overhead.
It can be annoying the odd time alright but our new baby has us half the night anyway.
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I see you set up that new username back in April, Mike and out of the 11 post 10 have have been of a very virile nature. How long have ye had bi-polar disorder now or do you not really know who you are any more?
Its posts like this that show the true colours of
SOME Kerry people. NOT ALL I agree.
I find it fascinating how a lot of Kerry fans and players, seem to have a bee in their bonnets that despite winning 36 All-Irelands and are by far the best team to ever play the game, they still cannot give ANY recognition to other teams that have beaten them on a regular basis.
Can any of ye Kerry folk be MAN (or WOMAN) enough to stand up and say YES it meant a lot to us that we lost to ye 3 times and when we FINALLY beat you that it meant a hell of a lot to you.
As Brolly (rather arrogantly) said Galvin was in tears and others were leaping for job after they beat Tyrone for the first time in year.
Yes, I am man enough to say ye are there year in year out. Ye redefine yourselves again and again and whilst I don't like your arrogance I have to admire time and time again what ye achieve.
When ye come on here talking about the Queen and British helicopters and how we are from a different country etc do you not realise how talk like that makes you look. How it portrays people from your own county. You are giving your good fans a bad name.
Remind me where does Billy Sheahan come from again and what did he say to Armagh's Ciaran McKeever.
Whilst I have the utmost respect for what Kerry achieve, I think SOME of ye don't come across that well when it comes to respect for yer fellow gaels or are we all Brits to ye down there.
500 people came out after the match to pay respect to Mickey and the team which in its own way says "Yes we respect you lot & the challenge ye put up to us the past 10 years"
In fairness though Billy Morgan has been preaching to us for years how Kerry are not this Daz whiter than white so maybe ye should stop beating that drum now.
On another note.
I watched the Brolly v Spillane thing on there on I player. Brolly does come across very arrogant as he usually does but he does raise some interesting points. He really should let Spillane speak though but you'd nearly wonder was it all staged? If not then I'd be very disappointed with Lyster's part in that interview. He almost mocks Joe & laughs at him joining in with Spillane on asking for a bigger shovel for his digging. to me if he was to be fair, he'd disagree with Joe that Gooch is not a choker (which Brolly did kinda go back on) but he would ask Spillane on the relevant points about how Kerry did only seem to win matches that they surged ahead in early on and how when it came down to close matches they didn't seem to do as well. Instead we only got to see Spillane use sign language and laughing. Not great interviewing Michael.
Good luck to Kerry on Sat & remember its only a stepping stone to No 37. No need for tears just yet
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He looks well in red & white
Remember win lose or draw shake the hand of those around you as us Ulster folk are very sensitive.
I thought we were taking stick for saying it meant a lot to beat Tyrone from everyone? Of course it meant a lot, who has denied that?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
How did you know I lived near Dublin Bay where the coastguard often flies overhead.
It can be annoying the odd time alright but our new baby has us half the night anyway.
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I see you set up that new username back in April, Mike and out of the 11 post 10 have have been of a very virile nature. How long have ye had bi-polar disorder now or do you not really know who you are any more?
Its posts like this that show the true colours of SOME Kerry people. NOT ALL I agree.
I find it fascinating how a lot of Kerry fans and players, seem to have a bee in their bonnets that despite winning 36 All-Irelands and are by far the best team to ever play the game, they still cannot give ANY recognition to other teams that have beaten them on a regular basis.
Can any of ye Kerry folk be MAN (or WOMAN) enough to stand up and say YES it meant a lot to us that we lost to ye 3 times and when we FINALLY beat you that it meant a hell of a lot to you.
As Brolly (rather arrogantly) said Galvin was in tears and others were leaping for job after they beat Tyrone for the first time in year.
Yes, I am man enough to say ye are there year in year out. Ye redefine yourselves again and again and whilst I don't like your arrogance I have to admire time and time again what ye achieve.
When ye come on here talking about the Queen and British helicopters and how we are from a different country etc do you not realise how talk like that makes you look. How it portrays people from your own county. You are giving your good fans a bad name.
Remind me where does Billy Sheahan come from again and what did he say to Armagh's Ciaran McKeever.
Whilst I have the utmost respect for what Kerry achieve, I think SOME of ye don't come across that well when it comes to respect for yer fellow gaels or are we all Brits to ye down there.
500 people came out after the match to pay respect to Mickey and the team which in its own way says "Yes we respect you lot & the challenge ye put up to us the past 10 years"
In fairness though Billy Morgan has been preaching to us for years how Kerry are not this Daz whiter than white so maybe ye should stop beating that drum now.
On another note.
I watched the Brolly v Spillane thing on there on I player. Brolly does come across very arrogant as he usually does but he does raise some interesting points. He really should let Spillane speak though but you'd nearly wonder was it all staged? If not then I'd be very disappointed with Lyster's part in that interview. He almost mocks Joe & laughs at him joining in with Spillane on asking for a bigger shovel for his digging. to me if he was to be fair, he'd disagree with Joe that Gooch is not a choker (which Brolly did kinda go back on) but he would ask Spillane on the relevant points about how Kerry did only seem to win matches that they surged ahead in early on and how when it came down to close matches they didn't seem to do as well. Instead we only got to see Spillane use sign language and laughing. Not great interviewing Michael.
Good luck to Kerry on Sat & remember its only a stepping stone to No 37. No need for tears just yet
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He looks well in red & white
Remember win lose or draw shake the hand of those around you as us Ulster folk are very sensitive.
First, I have only one login.
Second, You dont get to make the rules. You dont get to troll us in any way you choose whether its wumming us after a loss or calling us free-staters etc...and then put a limit on what we say in response. Whatever about us supposedly adopting the blanket defence I will freely admit I have learned everything I know about wumming from you lads...and its been great, thanks a million, I've really enjoyed it..especially the last week !
Finally, its the internet, dont take it so seriously. just roll with the punches.
Sounds like brolly recently
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 03, 2012, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
How did you know I lived near Dublin Bay where the coastguard often flies overhead.
It can be annoying the odd time alright but our new baby has us half the night anyway.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6138/5940830224_071bddaf64_z.jpg)
I see you set up that new username back in April, Mike and out of the 11 post 10 have have been of a very virile nature. How long have ye had bi-polar disorder now or do you not really know who you are any more?
Its posts like this that show the true colours of SOME Kerry people. NOT ALL I agree.
I find it fascinating how a lot of Kerry fans and players, seem to have a bee in their bonnets that despite winning 36 All-Irelands and are by far the best team to ever play the game, they still cannot give ANY recognition to other teams that have beaten them on a regular basis.
Can any of ye Kerry folk be MAN (or WOMAN) enough to stand up and say YES it meant a lot to us that we lost to ye 3 times and when we FINALLY beat you that it meant a hell of a lot to you.
As Brolly (rather arrogantly) said Galvin was in tears and others were leaping for job after they beat Tyrone for the first time in year.
Yes, I am man enough to say ye are there year in year out. Ye redefine yourselves again and again and whilst I don't like your arrogance I have to admire time and time again what ye achieve.
When ye come on here talking about the Queen and British helicopters and how we are from a different country etc do you not realise how talk like that makes you look. How it portrays people from your own county. You are giving your good fans a bad name.
Remind me where does Billy Sheahan come from again and what did he say to Armagh's Ciaran McKeever.
Whilst I have the utmost respect for what Kerry achieve, I think SOME of ye don't come across that well when it comes to respect for yer fellow gaels or are we all Brits to ye down there.
500 people came out after the match to pay respect to Mickey and the team which in its own way says "Yes we respect you lot & the challenge ye put up to us the past 10 years"
In fairness though Billy Morgan has been preaching to us for years how Kerry are not this Daz whiter than white so maybe ye should stop beating that drum now.
On another note.
I watched the Brolly v Spillane thing on there on I player. Brolly does come across very arrogant as he usually does but he does raise some interesting points. He really should let Spillane speak though but you'd nearly wonder was it all staged? If not then I'd be very disappointed with Lyster's part in that interview. He almost mocks Joe & laughs at him joining in with Spillane on asking for a bigger shovel for his digging. to me if he was to be fair, he'd disagree with Joe that Gooch is not a choker (which Brolly did kinda go back on) but he would ask Spillane on the relevant points about how Kerry did only seem to win matches that they surged ahead in early on and how when it came down to close matches they didn't seem to do as well. Instead we only got to see Spillane use sign language and laughing. Not great interviewing Michael.
Good luck to Kerry on Sat & remember its only a stepping stone to No 37. No need for tears just yet
(http://s2.jrnl.ie/media/2012/07/galvinteats-296x182.jpg)
He looks well in red & white
Remember win lose or draw shake the hand of those around you as us Ulster folk are very sensitive.
First, I have only one login.
Second, You dont get to make the rules. You dont get to troll us in any way you choose whether its wumming us after a loss or calling us free-staters etc...and then put a limit on what we say in response. Whatever about us supposedly adopting the blanket defence I will freely admit I have learned everything I know about wumming from you lads...and its been great, thanks a million, I've really enjoyed it..especially the last week !
Finally, its the internet, dont take it so seriously. just roll with the punches.
I don't think that was aimed at you Mike more at mlcollins.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: mlcollins on July 29, 2012, 10:28:44 AM
Fuzzman i had a great nights sleep, how did you sleep or did those helicopters flying around ye keep ye awake at night.
How did you know I lived near Dublin Bay where the coastguard often flies overhead.
It can be annoying the odd time alright but our new baby has us half the night anyway.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6138/5940830224_071bddaf64_z.jpg)
I see you set up that new username back in April, Mike and out of the 11 post 10 have have been of a very virile nature. How long have ye had bi-polar disorder now or do you not really know who you are any more?
Its posts like this that show the true colours of SOME Kerry people. NOT ALL I agree.
I find it fascinating how a lot of Kerry fans and players, seem to have a bee in their bonnets that despite winning 36 All-Irelands and are by far the best team to ever play the game, they still cannot give ANY recognition to other teams that have beaten them on a regular basis.
Can any of ye Kerry folk be MAN (or WOMAN) enough to stand up and say YES it meant a lot to us that we lost to ye 3 times and when we FINALLY beat you that it meant a hell of a lot to you.
As Brolly (rather arrogantly) said Galvin was in tears and others were leaping for job after they beat Tyrone for the first time in year.
Yes, I am man enough to say ye are there year in year out. Ye redefine yourselves again and again and whilst I don't like your arrogance I have to admire time and time again what ye achieve.
When ye come on here talking about the Queen and British helicopters and how we are from a different country etc do you not realise how talk like that makes you look. How it portrays people from your own county. You are giving your good fans a bad name.
Remind me where does Billy Sheahan come from again and what did he say to Armagh's Ciaran McKeever.
Whilst I have the utmost respect for what Kerry achieve, I think SOME of ye don't come across that well when it comes to respect for yer fellow gaels or are we all Brits to ye down there.
500 people came out after the match to pay respect to Mickey and the team which in its own way says "Yes we respect you lot & the challenge ye put up to us the past 10 years"
In fairness though Billy Morgan has been preaching to us for years how Kerry are not this Daz whiter than white so maybe ye should stop beating that drum now.
On another note.
I watched the Brolly v Spillane thing on there on I player. Brolly does come across very arrogant as he usually does but he does raise some interesting points. He really should let Spillane speak though but you'd nearly wonder was it all staged? If not then I'd be very disappointed with Lyster's part in that interview. He almost mocks Joe & laughs at him joining in with Spillane on asking for a bigger shovel for his digging. to me if he was to be fair, he'd disagree with Joe that Gooch is not a choker (which Brolly did kinda go back on) but he would ask Spillane on the relevant points about how Kerry did only seem to win matches that they surged ahead in early on and how when it came down to close matches they didn't seem to do as well. Instead we only got to see Spillane use sign language and laughing. Not great interviewing Michael.
Good luck to Kerry on Sat & remember its only a stepping stone to No 37. No need for tears just yet
(http://s2.jrnl.ie/media/2012/07/galvinteats-296x182.jpg)
He looks well in red & white
Remember win lose or draw shake the hand of those around you as us Ulster folk are very sensitive.
Galvin looks well in that Tyrone jersey.
But he probably would look well in any jersey to be fair.
Well spotted supersarsfields
MlCollins has really contributed a lot to this forum in the last few months if ye read his posts & no doubt he's hiding behind another name.
Don't worry lads I know we've got a few such posters ourselves from Tyrone that we shake our heads at every time they post & I'm sure a few have done so the odd time with my own posts. Haha.
Don't worry Mike, I'm not a very serious lad & we must meet up some time in Dublin for a pint.
Ye could even join our Tyrone Assoc Dublin. www.tad.ie (http://www.tad.ie) and we could give you a spin in our helicopter. ;D
Good luck for Sunday lads & seriously I'd say yis will be SHOCKED at the level of intensity Donegal bring to the table.
I'd say scores will be at a premium as I'd expect Funegal to go back into their defensive shell again as they know they'll not outgun Kerry. They are conscious a few teams like us opened them up for goal chances and we didn't take them so Jim will be keen to tighten that up.
Fuzzman,i'm not mike sheehy,i can't prove it but there you are,re: donegal,are they as good as people/media are extolling,in fairness ye could have caught them in ulster and that's what gets me,when we beat tyrone in killarney,they were a team in decline but prior to that so were we according to most,i still think people did not give respect to that tyrone team as i said they could have taken donegal and were still a formative force.Donegal have not split the atom but all of a sudden after 128 years there is this revolution now i know the game has evolved ala down in the 60's ,dublin/kerry in the 70's and tyrone in the noughties,but these have all been counteracted and regarding 2003,kerry were in no way prepared for that and in 05 and 08 kerry were out thought and out played,it's fair to say that kerry have not come up against anything like donegal but they have plenty experience in the past playing tyrone,monaghan and dublin,this game will be about skill and tactics as much as it will be about fitness and trust me you wont find kerry wanting in that compartment either,anyway it should be a fascinating duel.
That's more like it micollins, stick to the football, the other stuff was hard to read.
When was this game played again? Kerry won handy, there can't be anything more to say after 58 pages surely...
Quote from: mlcollins on August 03, 2012, 12:24:14 PM
regarding 2003,kerry were in no way prepared for that and in 05 and 08 kerry were out thought and out played
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Steady on big lad. No need to be sweat talking us
Looks like I'm going on Sunday but I won't tell you who I'm supporting.
Hope ye all enjoy it anyway. It could be the best match of the year.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 02, 2012, 04:14:55 AM
I see you finally showed up you chickenshit. You have been one of the mouthier Tyrone wums on here. Always giving it loads on the good days but you were a quiet lad on the lead up to the game (shitting your togs no doubt) and you were an even quieter fella after the game.
I knew you didnt have the stomach for it you pussy.
You continually miss the point - regardless of that result or any time we play Kerry, you will always be a ****
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on August 03, 2012, 06:28:06 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 02, 2012, 04:14:55 AM
I see you finally showed up you chickenshit. You have been one of the mouthier Tyrone wums on here. Always giving it loads on the good days but you were a quiet lad on the lead up to the game (shitting your togs no doubt) and you were an even quieter fella after the game.
I knew you didnt have the stomach for it you pussy.
You continually miss the point - regardless of that result or any time we play Kerry, you will always be a ****
run along now chickenshit and be glad I let you off lightly. You deserved a lot more for your disgraceful triumphalism of the past. At least fuzzman, in fairness, showed up. I simply have no time for pr**ks like you that give it loads and then run away. utter contempt is all you deserve.
Maybe I shouldnt be so harsh. Our friend "Naomhbridabru ", well , he may have some talent ater all....here is is his ditty
about joe Brolly.
As much as I disagree with Brolly's normal position this is a a pretty ametuer effort to be honest but I will let you judge....
A song for Joe
He's Joe and he's from Dungiven,
And sure jayz he's might crack,
He was once a county man for Derry
and now he's just another hack
With boggly eyes and a slabberey mouth
And a jesture of the hand,
Its bollox he talks ad nauseum
sure theres no better in the land
I'm Brolly, sur, I'm Brolly Sur,
Sure dont you know I'm a son of Frank
I hate Tyrone - sure i hate myself,
Ah sure I'm only full of w**k
He's Joe and he's from Dungiven
and theres an irony in the name
For if was dun-given shitetalk, (see what i did there)
you could mistake him for being sane
he's a barrister and and a pundit,
a learned man of books
once given to blowing kisses
for those slippery goals he took
I wish he was playing nowadays
against Bellew or the Block,
and after any kisses he'd blow,
the shite out of him they'd knock
I'm Brolly, sur, I'm Brolly Sur,
Sure dont you know I'm a son of Frank
I hate Tyrone - sure i hate myself,
Ah sure I'm only full of w**k
whew...these Tyrone lads are full of Bile. No need for that kind of language.