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I've not seen anyone giving blind support to Hamas, but in keeping with your bad faith comments.

Would you call children that are killed in war as non combatants

of course, why would anyone consider them combatants...

I haven't seen that term used for the deaths in Gaza, its generally women and children killed that has been used

true, in gaza if you are male and non combatant you don't really count. In Israel there is conscription and more Female IDF so speaking in women and children isn't as clear.

So just use it for Israeli deaths as they have conscription? If you are an unarmed woman or child from any side you are still a woman or child.

I'm an ends doesn't justify the means type person, one loss of life is one too many. So many senseless deaths here over the years hasn't really got us any further, the shift in population will, and won't cause any deaths

I've no idea how they can solve the Gaza situation as Israel won't be going anywhere and the Palestinians will rebuild and have another generation of people that have been tortured/killed and locked up, mad cycle.

Unless there is a moderate government in Israel then this won't even be fixed in our lifetime

Milltown I know you are a let the palestinans continue to suffer under their occupation until the occupier decides otherwise guy. the west donw nothing for 75 years only arm and watch on as Israel every few years 'mows the lawn'... I support international  Law ans it allows resistence and that threshold for armed resistence is clearly been met for Palestinans to rise up against their oppressor and occupier and I fully support that. ( within international law)

if you are a non combatant you are a civilian etc. which would include men, women and children. As stated if you provide women and children for the Israeli dead many will be combantants, the Israeli dead is usually provided as a total including both, Palestinians are usually provided as women and children and a total number.

I think in terms of using sticks and stones in comparison to what Israel has to use against Palestine then you can uprise to the cows come home there will be only one outcome.

Nothing will be resolved unless they sit around a table, create the conditions for that and that's the best outcome 75 years will be 150 years and so on if they do not sit and discuss

I know you are they type of guy that sits at home on a computer type of guy and wave a flag maybe not use Israeli products but that won't stop non combatants from being obliterated 

I am that guy and more and understand how little impact it has but at least I fully support all legal efforts for palestinains while you sit at home on your computer happy for them to die slowing, and stupidly not know that palestinans have numerous times sat at those tables and been offered nothing and somehow speak to me as if you have some moral superiority...

Hamas are using their own civilians as human shields

They are as just much to blame for civilian deaths as the Israelis

So it's nothing to do with the big fúcking bombs the IDF are dropping on built up areas and even refugee camps?

Are Hamas also to blame for the Palestinians being killed on the West Bank?

Sweet Jesus!

[Can I ask if you believe Hamas murdered unarmed civilians on Oct 7th?]

All I see here are lots of lads with their eyes wide shut. You can't even entertain the possibility that Hamas fighters may have raped some women. The same fighters that were gunning down unarmed civilian. Do you deny that also? 

No one is doubting that Israel is a liar and has made up completely spurious stories regarding what happened. They can't help themselves. No one is denying that they are a shower of murdering genocidal criminals. They are cited in the ICC report for it.

But both the UN and ICC say they have grounds to believe sexual violence took place. I'll withhold judgement myself thanks. None of us have seen the evidence and neither have any of your favourite online news blogs.

where have I or anyone not entertained it? I have been consistent and twice in the last 3 posts have said sexual assaults happen in all conflicts... Amit Soussana is the only potential creditable report. the AP (maybe they might meet your standard of reporting) yesterday have a laughable debunking of two Zaka fake claims which were are are widely reported.

again yesterday widely shared on social media was the a video of idf soldiers being captured with fake translation associated with it, already debunked.

you stay ignoring rape by Israelis, torture, genocide, ethic cleansing and keep to to the zionist talking points.

I've said Israel are criminals and committing genocide.

I note also the UN report cited Israeli soldiers for sexual violence and threats at checkpoints. You accept those UN findings, right?

you have 50 posts, under this name (you might be a regeneration of a previously banned poster) and on this topic your focus is zionist talking points.

I dont need UN findings, there is testimonials by former soldiers and current solider admitting it, there is media reporting. The IDF have raped around the world and even their own within the IDF..

What Zionist talking points do you mean exactly?

I didn't intend to get into this argument, I merely brought up that rape was a part of the ICC citation against Hamas members when someone else described the whole thing as debunked.

It's not much of a discussion board if you aren't allowed to have a discussion about certain topics.

1. you have ignore most if not all my questions
2. you have focus on the rape claims,

almost all Israeli claims have been debunked and these claims were printed in the NY times, across MSM and widely accepted before being debunked.

if you read beyond the headlines of the ICC and UN reports the language used and claims appear to be directly from the same debunked Israeli sources.. I have quoted the UN report numerous times now... the Israeli do not allow independent assessments either and no one into Gaza.

Well then, let's leave the rape claims aside. I've said I'm keeping an open mind about it because the UN and ICC have said they have credible evidence. Just because some website says they have been completely debunked doesn't make it so. I read the reports in full, not just the headlines.

Can I ask if you believe Hamas murdered unarmed civilians on Oct 7th? Or it that a taboo 'Zionist talking point' as well?

They undoubtedly did kill unarmed Israeli civilians as well as 300 plus IDF personnel, but do you accept that some of the Israelis killed and burned to death that day was also caused by their very own IDF?

And do you accept that the IDF have been killing Palestinian civilians and journalists regularly before Oct 7th?

Liverpool and Arsenal are 2000/1 to be relegated next season.

Manchester City who are aiming for 5 titles in a row are 25/1.

They are obviously pricing in the 115 charges.

They must be looking to dock the 60 points or more then!

The young Offaly fans are mad to get on the field to celebrate.

Got a replay in '98, could have cost a win tonight. Thankfully it didn't. Great win

Was there ordinary time still to be played?

I suspect the Leinster council, nor the Portlaoise officials expected such a crowd and were short on stewards.

Western standards laid bare for all to see:

I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.

The USA don't.

Then the post should have referred to the USA and not to "Western".

While your post shouldn't have made the claim that "every western country" supports the ICC.

The point I was making is that the "western" world were up and arms and rightly so when Russia invaded Ukraine, sanctions, diplomats getting banned etc etc, but when Israel starts slaughtering the Palestinians on a scale that would make Pol Pot blush, there's none of the same concern.

Is there any nuance at all between the two conflicts or do you reckon they're directly comparable?

The direct comparison is that innocent women and children are being killed in both.

what other nuance do you need?

So given that innocent women and children were killed in the Second World War, it must therefore be directly comparable to the conflict in Gaza?

Can you see the drawbacks of using this kind of reasoning?

And some of those who did such things in WW2 ended up at the Nuremberg trials...

Heck, even the Brits showed a bit of shame for what Bomber Harris did in Dresden but he didn't see jail time when he should have.

Western standards laid bare for all to see:

I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.

The USA don't.

Then the post should have referred to the USA and not to "Western".

While your post shouldn't have made the claim that "every western country" supports the ICC.

The point I was making is that the "western" world were up and arms and rightly so when Russia invaded Ukraine, sanctions, diplomats getting banned etc etc, but when Israel starts slaughtering the Palestinians on a scale that would make Pol Pot blush, there's none of the same concern.

Is there any nuance at all between the two conflicts or do you reckon they're directly comparable?

The direct comparison is that innocent women and children are being killed in both.

what other nuance do you need?

Western standards laid bare for all to see:

I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.

The USA don't.

Then the post should have referred to the USA and not to "Western".

While your post shouldn't have made the claim that "every western country" supports the ICC.

The point I was making is that the "western" world were up and arms and rightly so when Russia invaded Ukraine, sanctions, diplomats getting banned etc etc, but when Israel starts slaughtering the Palestinians on a scale that would make Pol Pot blush, there's none of the same concern.

[but with ballygalget struggling as much this year is it a forgone conclusion or is that writing them off too early?]

I know county players can throw results off abit but even at that

Loughguile minus james & ballycastle minues boydy id usually fancy loughguile strongly

Similarly dunloy even without county players still field a strong 15 that id expect to beat st endas

Usually youd expect the so called weaker sides to fight to squeeze into the top half to guarantee safety but with ballygalget struggling as much this year is it a forgone conclusion or is that writing them off too early?

No, you're bang on. When some of our better players are 17 and 18yo's says it all.

who decided England are favourites

Rio Ferdinand.

Interesting set of results at the weekend

Ballycran beating St Johns?
St Endas beating Dunloy?
Ballycastle beating loughguile?

Not to many would've called them results

St Endas, Rossa & Ballycastle likely to scramble for that last spot in the top half. Who we thinking will make it?

Ballycran lined out all their county players as Down are more or less out of the Joe McDonagh reckoning, not sure county management sanctioned it though.

I must have been off school the day the covered the part where the Men of 1916 anally raped the teenagers at a music festival


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141789

I'm not saying that didn't happen but rape as a weapon is widely used by the IDF on a consistent basis

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

And this isn't a new thing to the IDF before or after the "start" of the genocide.

Dehumanising your enemy is a trick the Israelies learned well from our neighbours.

Belgium should be there or there abouts as well given the players they have, but seem to fill the togs at tournaments...

Surely there's a left sided Fullback in England rather than pinning all their hopes on a perennially injured Luke Shaw

Both Branthwaite and Quansa (Liverpool) invited to the extended panel, maybe to put pressure on Maguire, but one of the two need to go as I think Stones is first choice, it's just a matter of who he's paired with, but Southgate has traditionally stuck with the tried and tested Maguire no matter how shíte he's been with Utd.

I'm sure people are going to go ballistic (no pun intended) when I ask this question, but what exactly did Hamas hope to accomplish by the attacks on October 7th?

Was it a revenge attack for decades of oppression on the Palestinians?

Was it an attempt to start a war?

Was it an attempt to derail the normalization of relations between Israel and other Muslim Countries?

Netanyahu was like Tyson Fury on Saturday night and would likely have been removed from office. Why did they give him this lifeline ?

On a scale of 1-10 how did they think Israel would respond ? (1 being do nothing, 10 being dropping a nuke)

All of the above.

If you're living from one aid drop to the next, being picked off and slaughtered day and daily by the IDF in both the Gaza strip and even still in the West Bank you've nothing to lose.

Did it play into Netanyahu and his ultra right wing partners in government hands? To an extent but it may well suit the Palestinians in the longer term with how Netanyahu has went on a genocidal rampage in the Gaza strip.

Those who have turned a blind eye to the atrocities carried out by the IDF for decades can no longer sit by and watch and now I think we're seeing the start of something better for Palestine as there's no way Netanyahu and the Israelis can be seen to have benefited from this genocide.
The Us can no longer be seen to be neutral in this conversation as it never was.

Couldnt all Whiteys questions be similarly asked of Irish rebellions. We were a small, poorly armed peasantry resisting the biggest empire in the world. Could we not ask why did our crazy ancestors rebel in 1641, 1798, Robert Emmett, 1916, Tan War, Troubles. Sure didnt we know what would come to us?

Which makes it all the more galling to see anyone with an inkling of Irishness in them supporting Israel in any form.

We've all been told for decades who the terrorists were whilst those who called us such we covered in the blood of innocent Irish people.

So we're Hamas justified in their actions on October 7th?

Every bit as much as the Easter Rising.

Asterisk task force;

https://twitter.com/i/status/1793000241714659510

Irexit incoming? What would the vote be like for that? Controlling your own borders and having all shape bananas

Surely, when they look at the mess that's the UK's been in, anyone with half a brain would realise this is madness

Lets face it - the brits did it 'cos of da foreigners'

And the foreigners have never been spilling into the country quicker

Even the far right looney bins can see that?  No?

You make the false assumption that the public have half a brain.

The public see issues with GP appointments, lack of housing etc etc and are told it's them bloody foreigners coming over here, not paying taxes, taking all the benefits etc etc and believe it all the while the real reasons for these issues are inept governments and in the UK's situation an actual Government policy in Austerity which drove a lot of the issues attributed to immigrants.

All the while the rich get even richer.