China Coronavirus

[Milltown Row2]

Are you saying it's a flu?

[Smurfy123]

No
I'm asking you are people immune from dyin from the flu?

[Milltown Row2]

No
I'm asking you are people immune from dyin from the flu?

It's the Coronavirus thread. Start a flu thread or a malaria thread or something else that's completely different to Covid and discuss

[thewobbler]

I'm going to assume he was already in the system MR2 so it would have been extraordinarily inept not to continue with his care.

All of Derek's peers are lads who should have had a prostrate exam, but these were cancelled. Or have been having migraines or tiredness, and ordinarily would have had blood tests.

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My basic point here is this.

This thread has seen a few people advise that (paraphrasing) "we don't know the long term effects of Covid yet". With the intimation that we need to be extremely cautious not to declare those who have had Covid as survivors.

The thing is, anyone with this viewpoint is speculating.

One thing we do know for sure though is that cancer will almost certainly have extraordinary consequences if not detected early. You may survive, but only after a long period of hell.

That is not speculation.

We need to prioritise things we know about over things we don't.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Well said Wobbler
Milltown using that one
What about it milltown?
So Padraig you want the places closed until we are Covid free?
What about the old and vulnerable who die from a bad case of flu?

where have i said i want places closed until we are covid free?? ive no idea what old and vulnerable people who die from a bad case of flu has to do with anything, you might explain.

i doubt cancelling cancer screening was an easy decision, i tried to find some stats on detection rates from screening and it didnt appear very high, however to the individuals who it would have picked up there is little solace in that. I imagine there is a perceived greater good argument and another that starting treatmemt and having an compromised immune system with rampant covid wouldnt be ideal. i sont think treatment or testing stopped only the screening, i could be wrong on that however.

No doubt the actions taken to prevent the spead of covid and save lifes from that spread will likely mean others will be at higher risk from a lack of treatment or lack of identification of other illnesses.

[Smurfy123]

But you can discuss cancer on this thread?
Why can't you answer
Are 50 year olds immune from dying from flu?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

But you can discuss cancer on this thread?
Why can't you answer
Are 50 year olds immune from dying from flu?

i find you very hard to follow..at least the question make sense now in isolation but i dont have a clue what the point of it is.

no 50 years are not immune from dying from the flu.. who thinks that?

[Milltown Row2]

I'm going to assume he was already in the system MR2 so it would have been extraordinarily inept not to continue with his care.

All of Derek's peers are lads who should have had a prostrate exam, but these were cancelled. Or have been having migraines or tiredness, and ordinarily would have had blood tests.

——

My basic point here is this.

This thread has seen a few people advise that (paraphrasing) "we don't know the long term effects of Covid yet". With the intimation that we need to be extremely cautious not to declare those who have had Covid as survivors.

The thing is, anyone with this viewpoint is speculating.

One thing we do know for sure though is that cancer will almost certainly have extraordinary consequences if not detected early. You may survive, but only after a long period of hell.

That is not speculation.

We need to prioritise things we know about over things we don't.

You'd assume wrongly then, he wasn't this was all carried out in March through to appointment yesterday. So from a personal experience (unlike yours) I've seen the hospital carry out what's needed. And continue, if anyone has problems the A&E is open and blood tests and the likes have been carried out.

I'll not disagree that people may have stopped going but the hospital is open

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I'm going to assume he was already in the system MR2 so it would have been extraordinarily inept not to continue with his care.

All of Derek's peers are lads who should have had a prostrate exam, but these were cancelled. Or have been having migraines or tiredness, and ordinarily would have had blood tests.

——

My basic point here is this.

This thread has seen a few people advise that (paraphrasing) "we don't know the long term effects of Covid yet". With the intimation that we need to be extremely cautious not to declare those who have had Covid as survivors.

The thing is, anyone with this viewpoint is speculating.

One thing we do know for sure though is that cancer will almost certainly have extraordinary consequences if not detected early. You may survive, but only after a long period of hell.

That is not speculation.

We need to prioritise things we know about over things we don't.

wobbler, i hope this does not come across harsh.

10000 people (no idea how many people didnt get screened over last 3 months) put at risk of covid to find a small % of people with cancer. .(006%) i saw in an article that said 1.9m tests and 12200 cases detected.

it is speculation regarding long term effects but it is also putting an awful lot of people at risk to find .006% (assuming that stat is correct).  i would hope the decison makers weighted up all the consequences before making a decison like that and that decsion ultimately lead to less deaths overall.

[RadioGAAGAA]

There will obviously be multiple waves of this, that is obvious. Be it from travel or drink, it'll eventually find ways back in and ways to spread.

Unfortunately due to politics there won't be quarantine from England (or Europe for that matter), so that avenue will remain open.

Unfortunately due to folks need to get drunk, call that selfishness if you want, pubs & clubs will spread it.

Unfortunately due to ignorance, lack of clear messaging, organisational ineptitude and for a few, paranoia, tracking & tracing will leave big gaps.



Hopefully it mutates into a more benign form (which is normally the case). A vaccine still cannot come quick enough.


Latest on the track and tracing app is here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53322751

[and it isn't foolproof either before anyone asks]

[thewobbler]

PadraigHP, when you talk about the "decision makers" weighing up consequences. I'm more forgiving of politicians (and doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc) than most, because i don't put them on a pedestal. They're only human. They can only have narrow but deep specialisms, or broad but shallow understandings... and even if they happen to be polymaths, all of that understanding can only function due to the detriment of other mental functions.

Politicians across the globe were hung out to dry on Covid, and with a rapidness rarely if ever seen before, because the people who are funded to best understand and inform on these things, pressed full scale panic buttons before they really understood Covid 19. I don't even blame the "scientists" for doing this as the early indications were that a shitstorm was coming.

Anyway what I'm trying to say is that the decision-makers didn't have time to plan, balance or weigh the various factors. This is evident by the speed and willingness to pay wages and grants across industries, with little or no evidence of financial hardship required. Any politician can understand budgets, and if these are being ripped up, to expect them to be able to adequately weigh up medical issues is, well, hopeful.

A lot of things like this would have become obvious a few weeks in. But the decisions were already made (and with good intentions).

[armaghniac]

But you can discuss cancer on this thread?
Why can't you answer
Are 50 year olds immune from dying from flu?

i find you very hard to follow..at least the question make sense now in isolation but i dont have a clue what the point of it is.

no 50 years are not immune from dying from the flu.. who thinks that?

Vulnerable people are usually careful to get a flu vaccine, while it isn't 100% effective , it does greatly improve their chances.

Anyway what I'm trying to say is that the decision-makers didn't have time to plan, balance or weigh the various factors. This is evident by the speed and willingness to pay wages and grants across industries, with little or no evidence of financial hardship required. Any politician can understand budgets, and if these are being ripped up, to expect them to be able to adequately weigh up medical issues is, well, hopeful.

A lot of things like this would have become obvious a few weeks in. But the decisions were already made (and with good intentions).

In March it was more important to act than to fine tune your response. Now is the time for adjustment.

First principle, don't reopen until you are ready!

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Covid all but extinguished in Ireland.

More brains in a false face

[imtommygunn]

Talking about cancelling cancer treatments due to COVID-19 is slightly different from comparing cancer with it...

Cancer centres I think had to plan for what they could do in a worst case scenario of 20% staff operating so everything had to be prioritised. That is up north anyway. It is or was a very difficult call to make but when you don't know what's coming day on day and have to prepare for the worst then I guess what else can you do.

[Smokin Joe]

A flight landed in Dublin airport this morning from Dallas.

Is there anyone else uneasy that Americans are free to visit Ireland at the minute?
I understand it will be driven by "our special relationship" with the US, but it does seem like this could lead to the re-introduction of greater instances of the virus.

If we don't prevent US flights landing here, then what is the point of blocking flights from any country at the minute?