Well ,this was the match up expected earlier on in the year but Mayo's route to it was not Looking forward to an epic clash with Mayo's main concern being how to handle Donaghy
Kerry should win this handy. Mayo always should shoot their load when play us. Havent beating us in 21 years.Plus Donaghy/Geaney will cause havoc under high ball
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 08, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Kerry should win this handy. Mayo always should shoot their load when play us. Havent beating us in 21 years.Plus Donaghy/Geaney will cause havoc under high ball
Who do you rather for the final Bart?
Quote from: PW Nally on August 08, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 08, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Kerry should win this handy. Mayo always should shoot their load when play us. Havent beating us in 21 years.Plus Donaghy/Geaney will cause havoc under high ball
Who do you rather for the final Bart?
County WUM didn't make it past the first round of the Quailifers, PW.
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 08, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Kerry should win this handy. Mayo always should shoot their load when play us. Havent beating us in 21 years.Plus Donaghy/Geaney will cause havoc under high ball
You are dead right! Kerry will win this handy! Mayo always shoot their load when they play Kerry! Any other insightful thoughts? I'd give a dig back if I thought you were from Kerry! I'll leave it to the Hollymount ;) lad Mayoaremagic to do that!
Not easy to pick who'll lose out assuming Keegan is good to go.
Nally had a lovely cameo when he came on, although game was well done at that stage of course.
I give Mayo every shot in this. If they can handle Donaghy it will have a big say in it.
Prior to yesterdays display I would have given Mayo little chance in this fixture but that display yesterday was the most impressive by Mayo in a few years. It could well be the last hurrah for a lot of this side in terms of winning an All Ireland and I hope that they don't just turn up to have their tummies tickled again by Kerry in a big game. I'd still fancy Kerry to win it but as is often the case with Mayo, you just know that there will be some drama involved along the way.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
I hope that they don't just turn up to have their tummies tickled again by Kerry in a big game.
Maybe you're just winding up the Mayo lads, but the tummy ticklers are from a previous age!
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
I hope that they don't just turn up to have their tummies tickled again by Kerry in a big game.
Maybe you're just winding up the Mayo lads, but the tummy ticklers are from a previous age!
People just use the lazy sterotypical clichés that have been around for years e.g. Mayo are bottlers, Galway are a Croke Park team etc.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 08, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
I hope that they don't just turn up to have their tummies tickled again by Kerry in a big game.
Maybe you're just winding up the Mayo lads, but the tummy ticklers are from a previous age!
People just use the lazy sterotypical clichés that have been around for years e.g. Mayo are bottlers, Galway are a Croke Park team etc.
Throw in the old classics 'Meath are never beaten ' and 'Kerry are the purest, least cynical team' and you've got a full house!
We'll be in the black and red jersey next day out
Quote from: ballinaman on August 08, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
We'll be in the black and red jersey next day out
Good idea. Kerry can't beat Down.
Who does Keegan come in for? Hard to drop Vaughan after yesterday. Will be interesting to see if he plays MF or at wing back
Really enjoyed our performance yesterday. But we all know thats our lot and so be it , been a fantastic journey , just hope its not a thrashing .
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 08, 2017, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 08, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
We'll be in the black and red jersey next day out
Good idea. Kerry can't beat Down.
They couldn't beat Tyrone when they wanted to either
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 08, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Who does Keegan come in for? Hard to drop Vaughan after yesterday. Will be interesting to see if he plays MF or at wing back
Would be daft to read much into yesterday match where Roscommon who gave a non show and gave up easily. Keegan a starter Vaughan a good impact sub to bring on. The Kerry inside line is as good as any Paul Geaney,Kieran Donaghy,James O'Donoghue and holding them to a low score will go a long way to beating Kerry.
Kerrys strength in depth is better than Mayos, so i think Mayo will need a healthy lead approaching the last 10 minutes to topple them.
I'm of the opinion that Donaghy is not the player to worry about for Mayo but Geaney is. Dublin and Tyrone have shown over the years how to mark Donaghy and i think Mayo have the players capable of keeping him quiet. Geaney on the other hand is a real handful and will take some watching.
Donaghy is getting on a bit and isn't as mobile now and is only gonna play about 50 minutes whereas Geaney and O Donaghue will be on the go for the full 70.
Nobody gives Tyrone a chance either. A Tyrone mayo final would be some turn up for the books. What odds? Mayo would love Tyrone in a final.
Quote from: rrhf on August 08, 2017, 09:01:45 PM
Nobody gives Tyrone a chance either. A Tyrone mayo final would be some turn up for the books. What odds? Mayo would love Tyrone in a final.
15/2 with paddy power
Unfortunately, cant see past a kerry win. Not reading into yesterdays game at all. On top of that i just cant see mayo seeing out a win against kerry. Beat them in 96 only time weve beat them in 60 years i think. Hope im wrong
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2017, 05:38:32 PM
Really enjoyed our performance yesterday. But we all know thats our lot and so be it , been a fantastic journey , just hope its not a thrashing .
Aah Larry, come on. Don't be like that.
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Quote from: Mayo Border on August 08, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2017, 05:38:32 PM
Really enjoyed our performance yesterday. But we all know thats our lot and so be it , been a fantastic journey , just hope its not a thrashing .
Aah Larry, come on. Don't be like that.
Hes right, you know
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Last year his team brought a brilliant Dublin team to the wire , twice .
That didn't happen by accident .
Quote from: rrhf on August 08, 2017, 09:01:45 PM
Mayo would love Tyrone in a final.
Just like they loved Donegal in 2012? Mayo are clearly 4th best out of the 4 teams left standing.
Quote from: ashman on August 08, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Last year his team brought a brilliant Dublin team to the wire , twice .
That didn't happen by accident .
Massive work rate was a huge component.
Don't recall anything noteworthy from a tactical perspective.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 08, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Last year his team brought a brilliant Dublin team to the wire , twice .
That didn't happen by accident .
Massive work rate was a huge component.
Don't recall anything noteworthy from a tactical perspective.
140+ mins of football against that Dublin team in Croke Pk and only a solitary point divided them. Hope the rest of the country are taking note!
Quote from: JoG2 on August 08, 2017, 10:58:30 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 08, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Last year his team brought a brilliant Dublin team to the wire , twice .
That didn't happen by accident .
Massive work rate was a huge component.
Don't recall anything noteworthy from a tactical perspective.
140+ mins of football against that Dublin team in Croke Pk and only a solitary point divided them. Hope the rest of the country are taking note!
You dont win anything for almost though
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 08, 2017, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on August 08, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 08, 2017, 05:38:32 PM
Really enjoyed our performance yesterday. But we all know thats our lot and so be it , been a fantastic journey , just hope its not a thrashing .
Aah Larry, come on. Don't be like that.
Hes right, you know
Yeah a lot of eggs have gone into yesterdays basket.
Was on the Luas yesterday after the game. An middle aged Kerry man turns to me and says
I'd love to see Mayo win an All Ireland if they beat Kerry. To which I replied
What do you mean If?. And suddenly the plámásing was over.
Do you think Mayo will beat Kerry? the Kerry man replied looking disgruntled. It was a look, I had seen in Limerick three years ago. I smiled and he realised I was having him on. But the mask had dropped and he no more than any other county could not care less if we won Sam (and why should they?).
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: ashman on August 08, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
Mayo need to try something different for this however I've seen nothing thus far to suggest that Rochford is much of a tactician.
Last year his team brought a brilliant Dublin team to the wire , twice .
That didn't happen by accident .
Massive work rate was a huge component.
Don't recall anything noteworthy from a tactical perspective.
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.
Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 08, 2017, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 08, 2017, 09:01:45 PM
Mayo would love Tyrone in a final.
Just like they loved Donegal in 2012? Mayo are clearly 4th best out of the 4 teams left standing.
Clearly. With analysis like that I think I'll head straight down to the bookies when they open.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 09, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.
Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.
Ah, sure we'll turn up and fulfill the next fixture anyway.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Quote from: Zulu on August 09, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
The biggest attitude problem must be with Rochford as you do need decent tactics to beat teams outside the top 2 or 3 comfortably. Its up to a manager to have his team in right mindset for who ever they play is it not?
Many top teams have struggled past weaker teams. Mayo just need to win they don't need to set the world alight against Clare or Derry. What have Mayo done in recent games that was tactically poor?
Quote from: dublin7 on August 09, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.
Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.
Mayo have done enough in their big games in the past few years to win those matches and Sam itself. The reason they haven't is they've imploded on themselves at key moments. All their failings have been internal failings which they can address but up to they've seemed to look to blaming external factors.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2017, 07:34:35 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 09, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.
Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.
Mayo have done enough in their big games in the past few years to win those matches and Sam itself. The reason they haven't is they've imploded on themselves at key moments. All their failings have been internal failings which they can address but up to they've seemed to look to blaming external factors.
That said all the tactics in the world wont change 2 own goals in all ireland final, last minute frees to win / equalise etc
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 09, 2017, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2017, 07:34:35 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 09, 2017, 12:22:49 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Mayo will do what they always do. Work hard and give everything. Unfortunately for them this has not been good enough in the past. They have shown nothing this year to indicate that anything has changed.
Rochford has tried to change tactics and introduce more of a kicking game this year, but Mayo don't have the forwards to make it work. For the replay he went back to Horan's style of play and it suited the team far better.
Mayo have done enough in their big games in the past few years to win those matches and Sam itself. The reason they haven't is they've imploded on themselves at key moments. All their failings have been internal failings which they can address but up to they've seemed to look to blaming external factors.
That said all the tactics in the world wont change 2 own goals in all ireland final, last minute frees to win / equalise etc
Tactics can't legislate for bent refs like McEneaney or Reilly either.
Quote from: Aughafad on August 08, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
I'm of the opinion that Donaghy is not the player to worry about for Mayo but Geaney is. Dublin and Tyrone have shown over the years how to mark Donaghy and i think Mayo have the players capable of keeping him quiet. Geaney on the other hand is a real handful and will take some watching.
Donaghy is getting on a bit and isn't as mobile now and is only gonna play about 50 minutes whereas Geaney and O Donaghue will be on the go for the full 70.
Geaney is definitely a better footballer, possibly the best inside forward in the game at the moment. That said, it was Donaghy who broke Galway early on in the QF and we've allowed him a free reign far too often ourselves.
Depending on Barry Moran's fitness (unlikely to be fit apparently), I think we'll go with something like this:
Clarke
Barrett Vaughan/Moran Harrison
Higgins
Keegan Boyle Durcan
SOS Parsons
DOC AOS McLoughlin
Andy COC
Our HB line matches up well against what is one of Kerry's weaker lines at HF (Walsh, Buckley, Geaney/Murphy?) and we'll need to get 5-6 scores from there to win. Midfield is where we'll need big performances, Moran is top quality with Maher/Barry doing the donkey work. If they get enough ball, the FF line will make hay
We'll need a big improvement up front too, the amount of handy chances we missed under relatively little pressure against Roscommon was criminal.
Possibly with Moran unlikely to be fit enough to match up to Donaghy - Vaughan will match up with him?
The key thing for Mayo is they will have other bodies in around him to stop him doing damage when he gets to ground for any catches he makes.
World of difference between that defence and ours in fairness.
Quote from: Zulu on August 09, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2017, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 09, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 10, 2017, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2017, 01:13:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 09, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 08, 2017, 11:23:28 PM
According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy’s dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O’Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
True. I don't think James Horan has got the credit he has deserved for turning Mayo around and they wouldn't be where they are right now IMO but for his professional approach on and off the field. Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly deserve some respect also as they were managers of those four in a row U21 teams (2006 to 2009) and Horan built his senior panel around those 4 successful U21 teams.
Lar, I think it's nonsense to say Mayo have been tactically out-thought on big days. When you play good teams they'll do some good things, unless you play 15 in defence there's always a risk that good forwards will find themselves in space and do damage, that's football. I can't remember the game but Gavin stood and watched one of his defenders get roasted and did nothing, Dublin won though so he was never questioned. When you lose All Ireland semis or finals everything is dissected and when you win everything is positive.
I agree on the substitutions, particularly taking off Moran but I often read here and elsewhere that managers 'got their tactics all wrong' but like a Trump election promise there is no detail. Maybe I'm not tactically aware but I haven't seen a whole lot wrong with what Mayo do. You haven't won an All Ireland due to your forwards IMO.
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
From within the county, Lar?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey - that there is no doubt in 2014. But Cormac Reilly (Referee) made Donaghy a protected species that evening. Donaghy could do what ever he wanted. Horan moved Keane on Donaghy for extra time. He fared better. JOD was the same got frees for little or nothing. It was a F*ck fest of the highest degree.
Anyway the Cafferkey rehabilitation experiment looks to be over. I expect Donaghy to win ball it's just how crowded out he is when he has it will be the key. Will be interesting to see if the same rules as to what is a foul for Aidan O'Shea correspond to Donaghy.
James O'Donaghue looks to have lost his spark since his dislocated shoulder problems. Thing is Kerry players usually start playing at this time of the season.
At the beginning of the year, I expected us to meet Kerry as Connacht Champions and I expected us to beat them. I actually thought it was the easier side of the draw avoiding Tyrone and Dublin. We are were we are the long way. I still strangely expect us to win!
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Lar, I think it's nonsense to say Mayo have been tactically out-thought on big days. When you play good teams they'll do some good things, unless you play 15 in defence there's always a risk that good forwards will find themselves in space and do damage, that's football. I can't remember the game but Gavin stood and watched one of his defenders get roasted and did nothing, Dublin won though so he was never questioned. When you lose All Ireland semis or finals everything is dissected and when you win everything is positive.
I agree on the substitutions, particularly taking off Moran but I often read here and elsewhere that managers 'got their tactics all wrong' but like a Trump election promise there is no detail. Maybe I'm not tactically aware but I haven't seen a whole lot wrong with what Mayo do. You haven't won an All Ireland due to your forwards IMO.
Yeah, but I didn't say that. I gave you two specific incidents where I felt poor tactical decisions led to Mayo's defeat. Nothing more. James Horan did a magnificent job of restoring pride in Mayo's players and fans alike and I'd be the last one to knock him but I did mention that he slipped up in Limerick and that's a fact, pure and simple.
You looked for an example: I gave you one.
Same goes for Holmes and Connelly.
I mentioned just one incident where they got a bollicking from the players over the way they failed to respond to problems arising on the field. (Well, that's the sanitised version.) Again, it was common knowledge at the time. I came up with nothing new.
With regard to Rochford, this year's games are still fresh in people's memories so I needn't go into detail.
Right now, he's a hero and fair dues to him, he had a blinder, same as his team but, and there's a big but..., Mayo were cat lucky to survive against all the qualifier teams they met.
Having said all that, I'm inclined to accept that our forwards have not been scoring enough from play to get us through the top endgames, quarters, semis and finals.
I think the forwards in the first game v Roscommon managed only 0-4 from play while the HB line scored 1-6.
That tells its own story.
However, whatever passed between Rochford and his players in the interim has had a profound influence on the players.
Every forward scored form play the last time, bagging 3-7 between them and Nally and Drake each got a point when they came on.
Not too bad by any standard.
I think Kerry must be treated with respect but I wouldn't fear them. They have had three relatively games en route to the semis with long spells of inactivity in between. If Mayo forwards reproduce the form they showed in the last match, anything could happen...
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
From within the county, Lar?
Yup.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
There was the madness of Cillian and Aido Blood subbed! this made switches a bit ropy as Horan was not sure if he'd have to sub off the lads. In the end Cormac Reilly, I'm told made Horan use up the Blood Sub for Cillian even though he came back on (so that was two subs used up instead of none).
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
From within the county, Lar?
Yup.
Rochford's been given a much softer ride than any of his predecessors going back to Mickey Moran. Of course, Mickey only lasted a year so he doesn't really count. Other than that, I can't think of any manager who didn't get treatment unless you're going back to John O'Mahony's first tour of duty in the late 'eighties.
If anything, the way Rochford is being talked about reminds me of the way people talked about Pat Holmes when he took over after Maughan in 1999/2000. Holmes was seen as Maughan's successor, in a way that Rochford hasn't been seen Horan's man - Horan's blessing would doom any prospective managerial candidate currently, allegedly - but there are echos of Holmes I in this Rochford Era. So far, anyway.
The best Mayo managers of the past 25 years are probably James Horan and John Maughan, and probably in that order. They are also two of most despised. What does that tell you about Mayo football?
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Lar, I think it's nonsense to say Mayo have been tactically out-thought on big days. When you play good teams they'll do some good things, unless you play 15 in defence there's always a risk that good forwards will find themselves in space and do damage, that's football. I can't remember the game but Gavin stood and watched one of his defenders get roasted and did nothing, Dublin won though so he was never questioned. When you lose All Ireland semis or finals everything is dissected and when you win everything is positive.
I agree on the substitutions, particularly taking off Moran but I often read here and elsewhere that managers 'got their tactics all wrong' but like a Trump election promise there is no detail. Maybe I'm not tactically aware but I haven't seen a whole lot wrong with what Mayo do. You haven't won an All Ireland due to your forwards IMO.
Yeah, but I didn't say that. I gave you two specific incidents where I felt poor tactical decisions led to Mayo's defeat. Nothing more. James Horan did a magnificent job of restoring pride in Mayo's players and fans alike and I'd be the last one to knock him but I did mention that he slipped up in Limerick and that's a fact, pure and simple.
You looked for an example: I gave you one.
Same goes for Holmes and Connelly.
I mentioned just one incident where they got a bollicking from the players over the way they failed to respond to problems arising on the field. (Well, that's the sanitised version.) Again, it was common knowledge at the time. I came up with nothing new.
With regard to Rochford, this year's games are still fresh in people's memories so I needn't go into detail.
Right now, he's a hero and fair dues to him, he had a blinder, same as his team but, and there's a big but..., Mayo were cat lucky to survive against all the qualifier teams they met.
Having said all that, I'm inclined to accept that our forwards have not been scoring enough from play to get us through the top endgames, quarters, semis and finals.
I think the forwards in the first game v Roscommon managed only 0-4 from play while the HB line scored 1-6.
That tells its own story.
However, whatever passed between Rochford and his players in the interim has had a profound influence on the players.
Every forward scored form play the last time, bagging 3-7 between them and Nally and Drake each got a point when they came on.
Not too bad by any standard.
I think Kerry must be treated with respect but I wouldn't fear them. They have had three relatively games en route to the semis with long spells of inactivity in between. If Mayo forwards reproduce the form they showed in the last match, anything could happen...
Fair enough Lar.
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
From within the county, Lar?
Yup.
Rochford's been given a much softer ride than any of his predecessors going back to Mickey Moran. Of course, Mickey only lasted a year so he doesn't really count. Other than that, I can't think of any manager who didn't get treatment unless you're going back to John O'Mahony's first tour of duty in the late 'eighties.
If anything, the way Rochford is being talked about reminds me of the way people talked about Pat Holmes when he took over after Maughan in 1999/2000. Holmes was seen as Maughan's successor, in a way that Rochford hasn't been seen Horan's man - Horan's blessing would doom any prospective managerial candidate currently, allegedly - but there are echos of Holmes I in this Rochford Era. So far, anyway.
The best Mayo managers of the past 25 years are probably James Horan and John Maughan, and probably in that order. They are also two of most despised. What does that tell you about Mayo football?
Is Horan really despised in Mayo? I've only really seen good press of him on here from the Mayo fans.
Who's the ref for this?
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According to Colm Parkinson, Mayo pushed up on Roscommon's kickouts but left a Ros player free to force the keeper to kick to him and knowing where the kickout was headed the mayo players closest to the free Ros player were ready to swarm him. Tactics now are far more refined but I'd say Mayo are doing plenty.
Mayo losing to Galway,needing extra time to beat Cork,Derry and replay to overcome Roscommon would suggest Rochford is struggling with his tactics. Kerry beat Galway,Cork comfortably in 70 minutes and would do the same against Derry,Roscommon if they played them.
Don't think how Mayo do against teams outside the top 2 or 3 has anything to do with tactics, it's more to do with their attitude. I don't see any evidence that they've been tactical poor in the past few years.
Good God Zulu, you cannot be serious!!
Remember Limerick 2014?
Horan matched Cafferkey with Donaghy who outfielded him every time the ball was kicked in?
Not only did Horan fail to makes any changes to curb Donaghy's dominance but he set no one to mark Jamesy who went to toen on ballls bropken down by Donaghy. IIRC, Donaghy scored 2-7 that day.
The gruesome twosome got their P45s because they made a bulls of a job on the sideline in the first game against Dublin in 2015.The pair was later to claim one of the players left the notes prepared for the game behind him in the hotel and the players reared up on the poor, innocent managers because of this!
Rochford was getting a bollicking form all quarters up to last Sunday. He persisted in taking Andy Moran and Colm Boyle off around the 50 minute mark even though there was no obvious reason for doing so.
Okay, things went a thousand times better last Sunday but I believe that the players pressurised Rochford into making clearly necessary changes in tactics.
If any of the managers since O'Mahony got off the pot, had the tactical savvy of, say, Jim Gavin or Mickey Harte, the Mayo team would be up to its collective arse with Celtic crosses by now. ;D
You have no appreciation for what managers have achieved do you? You call them every name under the sun, but you might remember before Horan took over, John O'Mahony (who is somehow spared your disdain) led us to a defeat to Longford.
Horan took over that Autumn and led us to 4 connacht titles in a row, 4 semi finals in a row and 2 finals. Do you think he might have earned some respect for that? Do you think maybe tactics played a part in those achievements?
Oh yes I have and I've said it here many times that Horan worked wonders with Mayo but here I was answering a straight question with a straight answer.
I know damn well how much of a mess O'Mahony made of things but I was talking of poor tactical decisions made by the present and recent managers, again, in response to a straight question. So, who did I call every name under the sun? I mentioned the 'gruesome twosome', a term that was widely applied to them during their time in charge. Nothing new abut that. While I'm at it, I had plenty to say about O'Mahony when he was in charge and you went apeshit attacking everything I had to say. I did ask you one time to point one single instance where I was wrong in my assessment of O'Mahony's tactics and general management and I'm still awaiting your answer.
Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
There's no need to be so fecking patronising about Horan's achievements either. I know what he won as well as you do. I wasn't dismissing his achievements when I mentioned Donaghy v Cafferkey either. One can't be used to excuse the other.
The disagreement between Noel and Pateen and the team after the semifinal in 2015 and the recriminations that followed are common knowledge to most Mayo people. The players felt they had the winning of that game the first day and they felt that sideline decisions let them down.
Again, I accept that Rochford has been getting a barrage of criticism since taking over and most of it is unjustified, (in my opinion) but that doesn't hide the fact that he has been criticised from many quarters for his substitutions and personnel switches during every game this year up to last Monday. That's not a personal opinion either.
I have given Zulu a number of examples where I felt poor tactics either lost games or made the winning of them much harder than necessary. Nothing personal intended where any of the managers were concerned.
You sure have anger management issues and maybe you should consider some other more sedentary pastime like floral arrangement or talking a dog for long walks or something like that.
In all seriousness, you spend more time criticising others posters' opinions than any other member of the board and generally you get your facts arseways.
Have a nice day!
From within the county, Lar?
Yup.
Rochford's been given a much softer ride than any of his predecessors going back to Mickey Moran. Of course, Mickey only lasted a year so he doesn't really count. Other than that, I can't think of any manager who didn't get treatment unless you're going back to John O'Mahony's first tour of duty in the late 'eighties.
If anything, the way Rochford is being talked about reminds me of the way people talked about Pat Holmes when he took over after Maughan in 1999/2000. Holmes was seen as Maughan's successor, in a way that Rochford hasn't been seen Horan's man - Horan's blessing would doom any prospective managerial candidate currently, allegedly - but there are echos of Holmes I in this Rochford Era. So far, anyway.
The best Mayo managers of the past 25 years are probably James Horan and John Maughan, and probably in that order. They are also two of most despised. What does that tell you about Mayo football?
Is Horan really despised in Mayo? I've only really seen good press of him on here from the Mayo fans.
A certain constitutency mainly populated by Gaa men & women more interested in the administration and control of Mayo Gaa would despise Horan but most think he was excellent. There is always the loud minority who spew hatred towards Horan, Aidan O'Shea , Liam McHale, Ciaran Mac, Peter Forde or anyone else who went against the so called traditional Mayo Gaa fíor Gael traditions liked having a fancy haircut , wear their socks up , coloured boots, wanting not to train on a car park etc...
All of that said lads, kerry is still kerry. '96 the only time we beat them in 60 years. Kerry wont fear us and i just cant see mayo pullin it off
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 10, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
Is Horan really despised in Mayo? I've only really seen good press of him on here from the Mayo fans.
No! He is bitched about like Mickey Harte has been bitched about by Tyrone fans for the last 5 years. He brought Mayo so far. But not far enough. Just like Mickey the last 5 years! Some fans expect!
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Who's the ref for this?
Maurice Deegan :-\
Maurice brought in to ensure the dream final. The only surprise is Dublin Joe or the St Judes man aren't reffing the other semi.But no doubt McColdrick will step up to the mark
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Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
Just out of interest Lar what tactic would you have used that day. Now before answering just remember that Donaghy came in midfield with about 10 minutes to go in the first game when his team were 2 points down. They subsequently ended up 5 points down before a last throw of the dice he wandered into full forward. He won two ball here. One over Kevin McLoughlin and the other on Cafferkey.
Also remember that on the same day Mayo started with a sweeper system because of James O Donoghue. This was probably only the second time this happened under Horan, the first been against London in his first championship match. This ended up with Mayo 5 points and a man down at half time before this was abandoned.
So Lar, what tactic would you have used that would have despite a dodgy referee, the 2 main players getting concussed and everything else that came with that day, have prevented Donaghy from scoring that deflected goal.
In assessing mayo,kerry, roscommon didn't show up or were not let, you can't read too much from that.
kerry v galway I don't know, people say kerry were in 3rd gear
I wouldn't buy that totally,galway created a good 3or4 goal chances,following the same as Cork in munster final.
Kerry had the Donaghy goal ,but only created one other goal chance against a weak galway defence.
Mayo defence alot better than galway,if mayo can get enough ball to their forwards, I think it will be very close.
This Mayo team is really mysterious. There were times in the past like say 1993 or 2004 where they clearly weren't good enough and didn't get anywhere near the zone. But this team can get within a point . Surely there is an extra 5% somewhere.
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This Mayo team is really mysterious. There were times in the past like say 1993 or 2004 where they clearly weren't good enough and didn't get anywhere near the zone. But this team can get within a point . Surely there is an extra 5% somewhere.
Maybe they are using the extra 5% to get within a point?
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Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
Just out of interest Lar what tactic would you have used that day. Now before answering just remember that Donaghy came in midfield with about 10 minutes to go in the first game when his team were 2 points down. They subsequently ended up 5 points down before a last throw of the dice he wandered into full forward. He won two ball here. One over Kevin McLoughlin and the other on Cafferkey.
Also remember that on the same day Mayo started with a sweeper system because of James O Donoghue. This was probably only the second time this happened under Horan, the first been against London in his first championship match. This ended up with Mayo 5 points and a man down at half time before this was abandoned.
So Lar, what tactic would you have used that would have despite a dodgy referee, the 2 main players getting concussed and everything else that came with that day, have prevented Donaghy from scoring that deflected goal.
I suppose it's always easy to be wise after the event and in any case, no amount of "if only..." will change anything either.
However, as you have already said, Donaghy had a profound influence on proceedings after he came on in the drawn game. Now, unless my memory is playing tricks (and not for thr the first time either) it was obvious that he'd be moved to FF for the replay. Maher was fit again and it was clear that he and Moran had the beating of whoever Mayo played against them. Donaghy was definitely going to start and the only logical place to put him was the full forward position.
As for the goal itself, I thought it was a case of waiting for an accident to happen. I know Graham Reilly made a bags of the reffing, where he got a few major calls wrong but it could also be said that Caff could have been blown up more for repeatedly fouling Donaghy.
I think Tom Cunnifee was assigned to double mark O'Donoghue in the drawn game but I don't think a sweeper of any sort was used in Limerick. Keith Higgins and Jamesy had one hell of a duel all through the game but with Donaghy outfielding Caff every time and without Cunniffe to lay the ball off to, it was inevitable that Keith had to attempt to block down a number of shots and one of them spilled into Donaghy's path. He was unchallenged as he gratefully took the chance offered to him and was able to lift his hoof and tap the ball in.
The Mayo fullback line was (still is?) liable to leak at least one goal per game for loose marking, eg Murphy in 2012 and Bernard Brogan the following year.
Anyhow, if I had to pick a reason for the damage Donaghy/ O'Donoughue were causing, I'd look to midfield. Barry Moran and Seamie were no match for Maher and Moran and, IMO, Mayo's problems started here. The Kerry midfielders and the likes of Buckley, Walsh and just about anyone who cared, were able time after time, to kick long, high ball dropping in front of the Mayo goal.
It was obvious that Kerry had worked on this in training and, even though, it was always going to be a danger for Mayo, no preparations had been made to prevent them having the free space and time to pick out Donagy and land the ball in on top of him.
Small point Lar its Cormac Reilly not Graham Reilly!
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Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
Just out of interest Lar what tactic would you have used that day. Now before answering just remember that Donaghy came in midfield with about 10 minutes to go in the first game when his team were 2 points down. They subsequently ended up 5 points down before a last throw of the dice he wandered into full forward. He won two ball here. One over Kevin McLoughlin and the other on Cafferkey.
Also remember that on the same day Mayo started with a sweeper system because of James O Donoghue. This was probably only the second time this happened under Horan, the first been against London in his first championship match. This ended up with Mayo 5 points and a man down at half time before this was abandoned.
So Lar, what tactic would you have used that would have despite a dodgy referee, the 2 main players getting concussed and everything else that came with that day, have prevented Donaghy from scoring that deflected goal.
I suppose it's always easy to be wise after the event and in any case, no amount of "if only..." will change anything either.
However, as you have already said, Donaghy had a profound influence on proceedings after he came on in the drawn game. Now, unless my memory is playing tricks (and not for thr the first time either) it was obvious that he'd be moved to FF for the replay. Maher was fit again and it was clear that he and Moran had the beating of whoever Mayo played against them. Donaghy was definitely going to start and the only logical place to put him was the full forward position.
As for the goal itself, I thought it was a case of waiting for an accident to happen. I know Graham Reilly made a bags of the reffing, where he got a few major calls wrong but it could also be said that Caff could have been blown up more for repeatedly fouling Donaghy.
I think Tom Cunnifee was assigned to double mark O'Donoghue in the drawn game but I don't think a sweeper of any sort was used in Limerick. Keith Higgins and Jamesy had one hell of a duel all through the game but with Donaghy outfielding Caff every time and without Cunniffe to lay the ball off to, it was inevitable that Keith had to attempt to block down a number of shots and one of them spilled into Donaghy's path. He was unchallenged as he gratefully took the chance offered to him and was able to lift his hoof and tap the ball in.
The Mayo fullback line was (still is?) liable to leak at least one goal per game for loose marking, eg Murphy in 2012 and Bernard Brogan the following year.
Anyhow, if I had to pick a reason for the damage Donaghy/ O'Donoughue were causing, I'd look to midfield. Barry Moran and Seamie were no match for Maher and Moran and, IMO, Mayo's problems started here. The Kerry midfielders and the likes of Buckley, Walsh and just about anyone who cared, were able time after time, to kick long, high ball dropping in front of the Mayo goal.
It was obvious that Kerry had worked on this in training and, even though, it was always going to be a danger for Mayo, no preparations had been made to prevent them having the free space and time to pick out Donagy and land the ball in on top of him.
Ok. So originally Horan's mistake was pairing Cafferkey with Donaghy. Now it's midfield.
When you say no preparations had been made to prevent them having free space and time to pick out Donaghy, you couldn't be further from the truth. This was always Horan's mantra to try and prevent decent ball coming in. After the 2012 final it was the men out the pitch and not the full back line who received the criticism from Horan for Donegals goals. If players didn't do it on the day, so be it, but to blame management for this is just silly.
Yes Mayo were prone to leaking goals but they also put up good scores as well. When you play without a sweeper you run the risk of this and if you start pulling a forward out of the much maligned Mayo forward line to start sweeping well you have to think of the effect all over the pitch
As regards Ger Cafferkey, you'd swear he was just some chump that Horan picked from the stand to mark Donaghy. Cafferkey was an All Star in 2012 and probably played even better in 2013. In the 2011 semi final Donaghy didn't get a sniff of him.
Cafferkey was royally shafted by Reilly in Limerck and this is the reason Donaghy had such an effect on the game.
So Lar, back to the question, what would you have done that wouldn't be considered a poor tactical decision
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Horan got his match ups wrong in Limerick and all the plamás in the world won't hide the fact that Donaghy destroyed Cafferkey that day. What good Horan undoubtedly did for Mayo football should not be used as an excuse for allowing Donaghy to score 2-7 and end Mayo's chances for another year.
Donaghy got one score in the drawn game one goal, JOD got 2-6.
This is the 2nd time today you said that Donaghy got 2-7.
Fair enough. It's just that JOD got most of his scores from breakdowns/ assists by Donaghy and I was writing in a hurry. Donaghy's goal was one of the softest I have seen at this level.. The ref was also responsible for making a bags of the game. Even Colm O'Rourke, his fellow-county man, said he gave an awful display and at the time he wrote this, Graham Reilly hadn't been given another intercounty game to ref. There were several factors that swung the game in Kerry's favour but Donaghy/O'Donaghue been were allowed a free hand throughout the game and that was an issue that Horan could have done something about.
Just out of interest Lar what tactic would you have used that day. Now before answering just remember that Donaghy came in midfield with about 10 minutes to go in the first game when his team were 2 points down. They subsequently ended up 5 points down before a last throw of the dice he wandered into full forward. He won two ball here. One over Kevin McLoughlin and the other on Cafferkey.
Also remember that on the same day Mayo started with a sweeper system because of James O Donoghue. This was probably only the second time this happened under Horan, the first been against London in his first championship match. This ended up with Mayo 5 points and a man down at half time before this was abandoned.
So Lar, what tactic would you have used that would have despite a dodgy referee, the 2 main players getting concussed and everything else that came with that day, have prevented Donaghy from scoring that deflected goal.
Ok. So originally Horan's mistake was pairing Cafferkey with Donaghy. Now it's midfield. No it isn't.
That's another issue; a contributory factor okay as it made Donaghy's job much easier. My point is and will remain that Caff was unable to compete with Donaghy in the air but nothing was done about this. Actually, come to think of it, something was done around the 70 minute mark when Keane replaced Caff and, IMO anyway, he made a better fist of it than Caff had done. He was tougher, thicker and fresher and Donaghy was undoubtedly tiring.
When you say no preparations had been made to prevent them having free space and time to pick out Donaghy, you couldn't be further from the truth. Is that so? I went to Willie Joe's site and had a look at what the Irish Times had to say:
"But Kerry deserved the win. Their strategies had Mayo in constant difficulty and their outstanding strike force of Kieran Donaghy and James O'Donoghue were more capable of effortless-looking scores.
Mayo were cleaned out in the heart of it at centrefield. Barry Moran started this time but is one of five partners Séamus O'Shea has teamed up with in the middle during this championship.
Kerry's David Moran was exceptional, as both he and Antony Maher ended up with a decisive advantage."That tallies with my recollection and I have yet to find any person, bar you, who'd disagree.
"...................This was always Horan's mantra to try and prevent decent ball coming in. After the 2012 final it was the men out the pitch and not the full back line who received the criticism from Horan for Donegals goals.
If players didn't do it on the day, so be it, but to blame management for this is just silly." So, if the players don't/ can't do it on the day, the manager can't be expected to intervene in any way; he should just say, "so be it!!"
I'd like to think that's not what you intended to say but, as it is, it is incapable of any other meaning.
Yes Mayo were prone to leaking goals but they also put up good scores as well. When you play without a sweeper you run the risk of this and if you start pulling a forward out of the much maligned Mayo forward line to start sweeping well you have to think of the effect all over the pitch What bearing has that on the topic we are discussing? Donaghy was left unmarked when the ball broke kindly for him and he nabbed a soft goal. Mayo could have bagged assloads of goals in other games and at other times but the one that Donaghy scored that day is the only one that's relevant here.
As regards Ger Cafferkey, you'd swear he was just some chump that Horan picked from the stand to mark Donaghy. Cafferkey was an All Star in 2012 and probably played even better in 2013. In the 2011 semi final Donaghy didn't get a sniff of him. You can swear what you like and more power to you but what he did or did not do on other days is of no relevance here. I don't need to be told what Cafferkey won or what he has achieved either.
All I am discussing is what happened between him and Donaghy on that particular day in Limerick.
Cafferkey was royally shafted by Reilly in Limerck and this is the reason Donaghy had such an effect on the game. Ah Jaysus come on!!
I don't recall Cormac Reilly outfielding Caff or anyone else for that matter. Yes, the ref had a dreadful game but he wasn't the cause of Donaghy out fetching Cafferkey at any time.
So Lar, back to the question, what would you have done that wouldn't be considered a poor tactical decision.What relevance has that question? What I might or might not have done didn't alter what was happening on the field.
Generally any Kerry team will beat Mayo. Mayo for starters need to organise their team to (1) stop good ball getting in to any of the Kerrys forwards including Donaghy and (2) play a 'disciplined .. if that's possible' Lee Keegan tight in FRONT of Donaghy and change L K's role in the second half to a more positive attacking role. That said Rochford and his management team will have to be smart and top of their game to get the win. Discipline will be absolutely vital.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 11, 2017, 11:03:28 PM
Generally any Kerry team will beat Mayo. Mayo for starters need to organise their team to (1) stop good ball getting in to any of the Kerrys forwards including Donaghy and (2) play a 'disciplined .. if that's possible' Lee Keegan tight in FRONT of Donaghy and change L K's role in the second half to a more positive attacking role. That said Rochford and his management team will have to be smart and top of their game to get the win. Discipline will be absolutely vital.
Every team that has gone out to minimise/negate the opposition this season has ended up well beaten. If you think you're not good enough you probably aren't. No matter how little the opposition score you still have to outscore them. Kerry teams have frequently beaten Mayo teams but each successive team gets the chance to write their own history. Mayo had never beaten Galway in Tuam in championship until they did...and then it just became a redundant fact.
I don't know how good Mayo can be but I have no fear of Kerry so I hope we go out and give it a lash, back Kerry up and attack at every opportunity. The positivity or negativity of those who post here won't bother the Mayo team but optimists have more fun and, so, I expect to see the Green & Red in the All Ireland final . And I'm not bothered who the opposition will be either.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 12, 2017, 01:07:50 AM
I don't know how good Mayo can be but I have no fear of Kerry so I hope we go out and give it a lash, back Kerry up and attack at every opportunity. The positivity or negativity of those who post here won't bother the Mayo team but optimists have more fun and, so, I expect to see the Green & Red in the All Ireland final . And I'm not bothered who the opposition will be either.
+1.
@ Criostlinn
Criost, I don't see any need to spend the rest of my youth disputing events that happened years ago. For one thing, the result can't be changed. But I do take you to be a genuine individual and I don't think you would say anything that you don't believe to be true.
I am very definitely standing by what I have said so one at least has a faulty memory.
I decided to visit Willie Joe's Results Archive to suss what some of the newspaper reports had to say on the matter.
Here you have experienced reporters who were presumably at the game and were writing their reports that evening or the next day at the very latest. You and I are discussing what happened all of four years ago so I went to Willie Joe's site and I decided before I read anything that I'd accept whatever I'd find in the Indo and the Irish Times.
I also selected the Mayo News and the Connaught Telegraph.
I've already mentioned the Times but here again is what I read, just for the craic.
[/i]"But Kerry deserved the win. Their strategies had Mayo in constant difficulty and their outstanding strike force of Kieran Donaghy and James O'Donoghue were more capable of effortless-looking scores.
Mayo were cleaned out in the heart of it at centrefield. Barry Moran started this time but is one of five partners Séamus O'Shea has teamed up with in the middle during this championship. Kerry's David Moran was exceptional, as both he and Antony Maher ended up with a decisive advantage."[/i]
Here's what I found in the Indo:
First goal
One of the blocks ended up in Kerry's first goal as Donaghy got to the rebound to fire to the net. Donaghy had Ger Cafferkey in trouble from the start.[/b]
Mike Finnerty reported for the Mayo News and he was unequivocal in what he had to report:
"Kerry's monopoly on possession and the presence of Messrs Donaghy and O'Donoghue meant they always threatened scores, and an unanswered five points was more than enough to eventually get the job done.
Kerry's dominance around the middle of the field was worrying: in that first half they won 16 kick-outs to Mayo's three, and 8 turn-overs to none for the Connacht champions. Something was not quite right.
With so much ball raining in top of the Mayo full-back line, Kieran Donaghy and James O'Donoghue always looked capable of creating havoc, although Keith Higgins was at his inspirational best as he tried to shackle the latter.
Donaghy was a different matter though; and the hulkish full-forward caused havoc for Ger Cafferkey all evening.
The third quarter saw Kerry up the ante and Donaghy and O'Donoghue really went to town around Mayo's understaffed and over-worked full-back line."
This is what I found in the Telegraph:
"Mayo's 2-5 to 1-5 half time advantage soon became a four-point lead but was cut quickly by Kerry, who won a penalty of their own when O'Donoghue went down under a challenge after Donaghy had won another high delivery and fed his corner-forward. O'Donoghue was accuracy personified as he slid the ball past Mayo 'keeper Hennelly."
Going by all of the above, I'm quite happy to stand over what I said and I won't be changing my opinions anytime soon
Only a week to go !
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
I don't think keegan would be suited to him. Geaney is more dangerous anyway imo
Harrison will surely be on Geaney. I'd say Barrett on JOD. Could see Vaughan on Star
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 14, 2017, 04:05:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 14, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 14, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 13, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Harrison marking Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy and Durcan on JO'D - don't think Barrett would have the pace for him. Half back line of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins. Boyle on the bench for this one is harsh on him but 7 backs into 6 positions doesn't go. Playing backs as forwards hasn't worked for us before so I would avoid that.
We'll need savage work rate from the middle 8 players to put pressure on the ball going in. No full back in the country will out field Donaghy if Moran et al can pick their passes freely.
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 15, 2017, 12:35:58 AM
Harrison marking Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy and Durcan on JO'D - don't think Barrett would have the pace for him. Half back line of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins. Boyle on the bench for this one is harsh on him but 7 backs into 6 positions doesn't go. Playing backs as forwards hasn't worked for us before so I would avoid that.
We'll need savage work rate from the middle 8 players to put pressure on the ball going in. No full back in the country will out field Donaghy if Moran et al can pick their passes freely.
Play boyle wing back, higgins sweeper?
Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.
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Quote from: MayoBuck on August 15, 2017, 12:35:58 AM
Harrison marking Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy and Durcan on JO'D - don't think Barrett would have the pace for him. Half back line of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins. Boyle on the bench for this one is harsh on him but 7 backs into 6 positions doesn't go. Playing backs as forwards hasn't worked for us before so I would avoid that.
We'll need savage work rate from the middle 8 players to put pressure on the ball going in. No full back in the country will out field Donaghy if Moran et al can pick their passes freely.
Play boyle wing back, higgins sweeper?
We would then presumably leave out Doherty or DO'C which would reduce our shooting options as they are both good for a score or 2 per game. It would be letting the Kerry defence off lightly as Higgins' shooting is much more wayward.
In any case, we'll need good backs, like Boyle, coming on in the second half to counter Kerry's bench.
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2017, 12:50:14 AM
Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.
Durcan marked McManamon in the drawn AIF last year and Andrews in the replay. Held them both scoreless while getting forward well himself. Would be the ideal type of marker for O'Donoghue IMO.
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 15, 2017, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 15, 2017, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 15, 2017, 12:35:58 AM
Harrison marking Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy and Durcan on JO'D - don't think Barrett would have the pace for him. Half back line of Keegan, Barrett, Higgins. Boyle on the bench for this one is harsh on him but 7 backs into 6 positions doesn't go. Playing backs as forwards hasn't worked for us before so I would avoid that.
We'll need savage work rate from the middle 8 players to put pressure on the ball going in. No full back in the country will out field Donaghy if Moran et al can pick their passes freely.
Play boyle wing back, higgins sweeper?
We would then presumably leave out Doherty or DO'C which would reduce our shooting options as they are both good for a score or 2 per game. It would be letting the Kerry defence off lightly as Higgins' shooting is much more wayward.
In any case, we'll need good backs, like Boyle, coming on in the second half to counter Kerry's bench.
Can't leave out Doherty, Diarmuid O Connor or Boyle. What it boils down to is Vaughan or Keegan. Unless you drop Seamie or Tom and play Keegan in midfield and Vaughan at full back. Or the other way around.
I can't imagine how Boyle would be able to counter Kerry's bench. Boyle has been our best leader for years. Need him on pitch and for as long as possible. Madness to drop him.
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Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2017, 12:50:14 AM
Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.
Durcan marked McManamon in the drawn AIF last year and Andrews in the replay. Held them both scoreless while getting forward well himself. Would be the ideal type of marker for O'Donoghue IMO.
Good point. Christ! it would wreck your head!.
If it was up to me, I wouldn't let Vaughan anywhere near the team. He's an eejit and Kerry love putting eejits to the sword. Especially don't put him anywhere near Donaghy, as Star loves nothing more than a rash tackler hanging off him.
Parsons has to play as put simply, Mayo always play better when he's on the field.
JOD isn't worth all the worry lads. Injuries mean he's really not the player he was, not even close. If Kerry's management are taking this seriously, he won't be involved.
Vaughan is tough as nails and great engine, great going forward etc, but he makes rash tackles - can't afford tongue Donaghy easy frees or a penalty and black card
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 15, 2017, 12:56:22 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2017, 12:50:14 AM
Boyle cant be dropped. We wouldn't be here without him. It would be a disgrace to drop him. Paddy Durcan's game is not about marking a player like James O Donoghue. Something he's never done and I wouldn't ask him to do with now. We have 3 players that can mark now. Harrison, Barrett and Keegan. That's not so bad.
Durcan marked McManamon in the drawn AIF last year and Andrews in the replay. Held them both scoreless while getting forward well himself. Would be the ideal type of marker for O'Donoghue IMO.
The single biggest reason for Cork getting back into the game in Limerick was the guy Durcan was marking when he came on had free reign. Durcan great on the front for in that game but terrible at picking up his man
The Mayo news podcast mentioned Keegan at midfield on Moran with AOS helping on the kick outs. I think that would really give Kerry something to think about
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 15, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
The Mayo news podcast mentioned Keegan at midfield on Moran with AOS helping on the kick outs. I think that would really give Kerry something to think about
Lee Keegan on a big, slow midfielder is madness. Whoever suggested that really needs to shut up shop.
If Mayo are focussing on Moran and O'Donoghue then that will surely be music to Kerry's ears. Moran is excellent from kick outs but from open play he moves slowly around the pitch. If you take restart situations out of the game he is certainly not a man that needs any extra attention. Also it is hard to believe that Geaney seems to get less attention than O'Donoghue despite the fact that he is a much better player. O'Donoghue is a one trick pony who relies on blistering pace, putting the head down and running hard and direct at the goals. At his best he can be devastating but that hasn't happened consistently since 2014. Geaney on the other hand has been the best forward in the country for the last 2 years and he is the one they need to stop most.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 15, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
The Mayo news podcast mentioned Keegan at midfield on Moran with AOS helping on the kick outs. I think that would really give Kerry something to think about
Lee Keegan on a big, slow midfielder is madness. Whoever suggested that really needs to shut up shop.
Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile
David Brady now suggesting that Aidan O'Se should go to full back to mark Donaghy. How some of these pundits get air time, I don't understand.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 15, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
David Brady now suggesting that Aidan O'Se should go to full back to mark Donaghy. How some of these pundits get air time, I don't understand.
He's there mainly for comic relief in fairness.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2017, 06:49:45 AM
If it was up to me, I wouldn't let Vaughan anywhere near the team. He's an eejit and Kerry love putting eejits to the sword. Especially don't put him anywhere near Donaghy, as Star loves nothing more than a rash tackler hanging off him.
Parsons has to play as put simply, Mayo always play better when he's on the field.
JOD isn't worth all the worry lads. Injuries mean he's really not the player he was, not even close. If Kerry's management are taking this seriously, he won't be involved.
Extremely harsh and untrue comment about Vaughan. Vaughan should start every game in Croke Park in my opinion such is his engine and the power he brings. He should not start at full back though. He's not a man marker and because of a horses for courses situation he may indeed lose out but I'd be trying to find a place for him.
It would melt your head thinking of the match ups. Someone mentioned Durcan against Cork and how poor he was. That was a blip imo. The job he did on McManaman and Andrews last year is the real Durcan and he could do a job on O'Donoghue. He would be a loss from an attacking point of view but these lads bomb forward anyway and he should do that whoever he's marking.
Kerry will be bringing on Barry John Keane, Stephen O'Brien and Darren O'Sullivan so we'll need to bring in some fresh legs anyway. If Boyle, Vaughan or Durcan don't start then they will come in to counteract this. Keegan to midfield isn't a bad call either. The freedom he would have would be good for us and he would destroy Moran on the ground. Don't envy Rochford this week, he has some job to get these match ups right. In fairness he usually does.
With all that said, I actually have a feeling we have a sweeper plan not mentioned yet and I'm not going to say it as I wouldn't want to give any Kerry bucks the slightest bit of an advantage. Fitzmaurice is known to be an avid follower on here!
Stephen O'Brien is quality, wouldn't be surprised if he starts, maybe ahead of Mike Geaney
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 15, 2017, 12:49:53 PM
Stephen O'Brien is quality, wouldn't be surprised if he starts, maybe ahead of Mike Geaney
He's mighty at over-carrying and not being called on it alright, but besides that..
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Now that was one tough hombre.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2017, 02:14:28 PM
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Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Now that was one tough hombre.
He was in the Boars Head after a match recently and still looks like he's burst you for looking crooked at him
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Not calling Kilkenny's toughness into question but Vaughan had a bad shoulder injury going into that game and should never have started really and definitely shouldn't have got into a shouldering bust up with anyone one of the Dubs that day.
Now Eamonn Heery he could cut you in half as quick as a flash!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 15, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Not calling Kilkenny's toughness into question but Vaughan had a bad shoulder injury going into that game and should never have started really and definitely shouldn't have got into a shouldering bust up with anyone one of the Dubs that day.
Now Eamonn Heery he could cut you in half as quick as a flash!!
Oh ya the shoulder injury.
Why did you have to ruin such a great story. It was far better the way heffo told it.
Quote from: heffo on August 15, 2017, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 15, 2017, 07:08:05 AM
Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Vaughan is a beast. He lined up Jack McCaffrey (I think it was, not Kilkenny) but he met him all wrong and had to go off with a stinger of a shoulder injury. Pound for pound he's much stronger and would physically dominate either McCaffrey or Kilkenny but anyone that has played the game knows that a badly timed shoulder can be worse for the hitter than the hittee.
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
The significant difference (forgetting everything else that went wrong) between the drawn game in '14 and the replay was down to our kick-outs below in Limerick. The size of the field might have had an impact. It is no coincidence that we were also losing possession in the Cork game around the middle for longer kick outs also which let them back into that match.
Management should be wise to this, we need to go short(ish) for most of this match, certainly for the first 20 to 30 mins anyhow or else do a Tadgh Kennelly on Moran at the start. Stopping quick ball going into Geaney, Donogohoe and *tar is key. This is where Kerry will win the match if they do win it.
I'm fairly worried this could be a step too far but this team never fails to surprise so hopefully a surprise is in store.
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Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Not calling Kilkenny's toughness into question but Vaughan had a bad shoulder injury going into that game and should never have started really and definitely shouldn't have got into a shouldering bust up with anyone one of the Dubs that day.
Now Eamonn Heery he could cut you in half as quick as a flash!!
Oh ya the shoulder injury.
Why did you have to ruin such a great story. It was far better the way heffo told it.
Strange that he'd initiate a shouldering contest with someone when he's carrying a shoulder injury.
Anyhoo, anyone who rolls around on the ground clutching his face, Brian Dooher style, can't be described as hard as nails.
Expect to see the Kingdom win this one pulling up. Much the same as the Galway game. Mayo for all their virtues just can't keep it together against the Traditional sides. We are just a bit to cute for them. Whether it's influencing a referee to getting easy scores! Sad really as I'd love to see Mayo win an All Ireland.......one day! :)
QuoteExpect to see the Kingdom win this one pulling up. Much the same as the Galway game.
I wouldn't go that far but Kerry are clear favorites in everyones eyes. We will give a better account of ourselves than Galway did.
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 15, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Expect to see the Kingdom win this one pulling up. Much the same as the Galway game. Mayo for all their virtues just can't keep it together against the Traditional sides. We are just a bit to cute for them. Whether it's influencing a referee to getting easy scores! Sad really as I'd love to see Mayo win an All Ireland.......one day! :)
What happened to the usual Kerry false modesty!
Prior to Mayo's performance the last day I would have agreed but perhaps there is something still there with Mayo. There was enough in that performance to think they will at least be competitive in this match. Or at least we can hope.
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Youre jokin right? 😅😅
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Youre jokin right? 😅😅
regan too
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Youre jokin right? 😅😅
regan too
Sure Regan doesnt play anyway
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Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Not calling Kilkenny's toughness into question but Vaughan had a bad shoulder injury going into that game and should never have started really and definitely shouldn't have got into a shouldering bust up with anyone one of the Dubs that day.
Now Eamonn Heery he could cut you in half as quick as a flash!!
Oh ya the shoulder injury.
Why did you have to ruin such a great story. It was far better the way heffo told it.
Strange that he'd initiate a shouldering contest with someone when he's carrying a shoulder injury.
Anyhoo, anyone who rolls around on the ground clutching his face can't be described as hard as nails.
Don't think anyone on this thread suggested Philly McMahon was as hard as nails! ;)
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Youre jokin right? 😅😅
regan too
Bring in Barry Heffernan for Clarkie,Paul McGuinness for Regan and Rochford can put himself in for Caff!! ;D
Although Ros all them Cross lads (as well as Thomas Loftus) did turn their back on you and played rugby for Ballina RFC!!!! :o
If Archie's reopens and Muredach's is bulldozed would the Stephenites boys be allowed to try their hand at county ball then?
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QuoteExpect to see the Kingdom win this one pulling up. Much the same as the Galway game.
I wouldn't go that far but Kerry are clear favorites in everyones eyes. We will give a better account of ourselves than Galway did.
Agree. Winning the middle third is crucial in this one. I expect to be a battle. Whether or not it will be enough to win it is another thing. Unfortunately I think Thy Kingdom Come's words will prove to be prophetic, but it will be tighter than people think. It'd be great if Kerry had a load of wides against us for a change.
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QuoteExpect to see the Kingdom win this one pulling up. Much the same as the Galway game.
I wouldn't go that far but Kerry are clear favorites in everyones eyes. We will give a better account of ourselves than Galway did.
Agree. Winning the middle third is crucial in this one. I expect to be a battle. Whether or not it will be enough to win it is another thing. Unfortunately I think Thy Kingdom Come's words will prove to be prophetic, but it will be tighter than people think. It'd be great if Kerry had a load of wides against us for a change.
The only way thatll happen is if we kick so many wides more than them that it makes their wides insignificant 😅
Predicted mayo lineups?
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Any thoughts on where keegan will play? If he slots back in at 5, Kerry will play a spoiler (Walsh/Murphy/Lyne) on him (maybe doubling up at times) and try to play him at his own game, niggle at him and try to frustrate him - hammer the hammer as they say.
As I see it, we have two options here, hope that keegan won't react to any niggle and will just get the better of his man. Or what I'd like to see us doing is using keegan to hammer the hammer - stick him on one of Kerry's biggest threats, Geaney or Moran. I don't think keegan is suited to Geaney on the inside line so it leaves putting him on David Moran where I think he'd match up well, he'd put moran on the back foot and stop him from driving forward. The only place I'd see a disadvantage for us would be on Kerry's kickouts where AOS would need to provide assistance.
O'Donoghue?
What about him?
Could keegan mark him?
He could but so could Keith. Leroy's talents might be put to better use further outfield. Right now, I'd be more worried about Donaghy if Kerry adopt the same approach they did in Limerick in '14. Whoever marks him will need to have a bit of aggro in him to put Star off hio oats.
I think, if my memory isn't playing tricks that any time he was marked tightly and got no room to get moving, he wasn't nearly as effective as he was in Limerick.
I am not terribly worried about the pair of them either. Jamesy has had a load of injuries since that game and is not back to full form yet or so some Kerry mates tell me. Meantime, Donaghy is three years older and he was supposed to be gone past his sell by date even then.
Keep the faith and never say die! ;D
Keith marking O' Donoghue not a good idea imo. Both could have great games in their own way if ye know what I mean. We need O Donoghue not have a good game. We need Keith to have a great game. I would go Barrett on O Donoghue and Harrisson on Geaney.
Then its a question of who takes up Donaghy. Vaughan? I dunno? Say you start Vaughan, then realistically one from Harrison, Boyle, Higgins, Durcan, Barrett, Keegan cant start. Vaughan may have more size than those six but ...........
Keegan is an option. But a sweeper would be essential. Give Keegan a license to attack at will when we are going forward and a sweeper to sit. Force Donaghy to chase a bit maybe. The reality is though, that we don't have a defender to match Donaghy for size. We know that. Our goal should be to control as much possession as we can around the field and discipline will be crucial also. Donaghy did us in drawn game in 14 but the killer ball came in from distance from David Moran. He was able to line up the perfect diagonal ball because we were down to 14 for so long and no pressure was able to get to him. It still could have been prevented with better presence at the back I know, but pressure on Moran disrupting that kick and there would have been no Limerick and a fresh Mayo team in the final.
Caff has become the forgotten man of Mayo football and that's a pity. I think he's an excellent man marker and and has what it takes to be a good corner back. I don't think he could do a man to man on Donaghy but he could well give Jamesy a headache if put on him.
This isn't Limerick '14 either and Donaghy isn't the man he used to be. I still fear him but only if he is left unmarked or his marker stands off him. I think Vaughan is the man to niggle the fecker and hassle him all the way. Jamesy has spent a lot of time on the injured list since that day in Limerick three years ago. He just can't be as sharp as he was back then.
However, if you ask me, the winning or losing of the game will depend on what happens in midfield.
Stopping Moran and Maher getting plenty of possession is going to be impossible but preventing them from having the time and freedom to pinpoint their passes into Donaghy vital to our chances. Tom and Seamie is the best duo we have without a doubt and we'll do better there than we did in Limerick. This time out, Clarkie is in goal and unless it's my imagination playing tricks, his kick outs have improved immeasurably since the controversy last September.
All in all, I'm 50/50 on this one. A display like the last day with the lessons to be learnt from it taken onboard.
I've covered a few bets from some cute hoors I know and this time around they were looking for tenner bets not twenties or fifties as in other years.
Maybe that's a lucky omen!
look i hate criticizing mayo players before a match . even if they are from ballina
but Caff cannot catch kick or solo a ball , has no vision and is (by county standards) very slow . it was almost embarresing the first day against roscommon when moving the ball out the other mayo players were doing anything other than pass to hime and even the rossies know from the lick outs that he did not need to be covered ,
it was as though he was one of prenty's sons that used be given a run on a regular basis but people know better than to pass to them.
There are certain players he could completely shut out of a game as he can be an excellent man marker but i dont think geaney o donoughoe or Donaghy are in that bracket.
Clarke should be dropped too
Youre jokin right? 😅😅
regan too
Bring in Barry Heffernan for Clarkie,Paul McGuinness for Regan and Rochford can put himself in for Caff!! ;D
Although Ros all them Cross lads (as well as Thomas Loftus) did turn their back on you and played rugby for Ballina RFC!!!! :o
If Archie's reopens and Muredach's is bulldozed would the Stephenites boys be allowed to try their hand at county ball then?
from my brief spell as a boarder there i approve of the demolition of Muredach's,
i played with some of those lads in BRFC but we made sure we cleared out of the place before the football started .
God id forgive all for Archie's Texan burger now
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Vaughan is tough as nails
He tried to rough up Ciaran Kilkenny in the 2015 semi-final before throw-in and bounced off him and had to go off injured from it.
I'm not sure he's really that tough. Kilkenny isn't exactly Eamonn Heery either.
Not calling Kilkenny's toughness into question but Vaughan had a bad shoulder injury going into that game and should never have started really and definitely shouldn't have got into a shouldering bust up with anyone one of the Dubs that day.
Now Eamonn Heery he could cut you in half as quick as a flash!!
Oh ya the shoulder injury.
Why did you have to ruin such a great story. It was far better the way heffo told it.
Strange that he'd initiate a shouldering contest with someone when he's carrying a shoulder injury.
Anyhoo, anyone who rolls around on the ground clutching his face, Brian Dooher style, can't be described as hard as nails.
Are you actually typing this with a straight face
It's gas the dub coming in here talking about hard men rolling around clutching their faces considering some of the antics of Philly and Jonny lately.
Please never stop. This stuff is brilliant
Peter Canavan thinks Kerry will edge a physical and competitive semi final this Sunday, he has been fairly spot on with all his pre match predictions so far this summer.
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/10989583/gaa-watch-football-legend-peter-canavan-on-sundays-all-ireland-smei-final-kerry-v-mayo
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Peter Canavan thinks Kerry will edge a physical and competitive semi final this Sunday, he has been fairly spot on with all his pre match predictions so far this summer.
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/10989583/gaa-watch-football-legend-peter-canavan-on-sundays-all-ireland-smei-final-kerry-v-mayo
From the written piece in that...very poor reporting..."As Munster champions, Kerry received a bye to the All-Ireland semi-finals, but as such haven't played since July 2, whereas Mayo have had to play five games to get to this point."
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Peter Canavan thinks Kerry will edge a physical and competitive semi final this Sunday, he has been fairly spot on with all his pre match predictions so far this summer.
http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/10989583/gaa-watch-football-legend-peter-canavan-on-sundays-all-ireland-smei-final-kerry-v-mayo
From the written piece in that...very poor reporting..."As Munster champions, Kerry received a bye to the All-Ireland semi-finals, but as such haven't played since July 2, whereas Mayo have had to play five games to get to this point."
if God says thats what happened then thats the way it was
I hope Mayo can realise how good they are, forget who Kerry are and bate them. We need it for the Connacht double.
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I hope Mayo can realise how good they are, forget who Kerry are and bate them. We need it for the Connacht double.
I'm afraid I'll be supporting the blahs in the hurling seaf
Clarke
Harrisson Keegan Barrett
Boyle Vaughan Durcan
O Shea Parsons
McLoughlin O Shea O Connor
Higgins Moran O Connor
Hennelly, Cafferkey, Coen, Drake, Nally, Moran, Doherty, Loftus, Kirby, Dillon, O Shea
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Clarke
Harrisson Keegan Barrett
Boyle Vaughan Durcan
O Shea Parsons
McLoughlin O Shea O Connor
Higgins Moran O Connor
Hennelly, Cafferkey, Coen, Drake, Nally, Moran, Doherty, Loftus, Kirby, Dillon, O Shea
Seems like a waste of Keegan at full back, could swap with vaughan? And im assuming you have higgins playin sweeper?
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Clarke
Harrisson Keegan Barrett
Boyle Vaughan Durcan
O Shea Parsons
McLoughlin O Shea O Connor
Higgins Moran O Connor
Hennelly, Cafferkey, Coen, Drake, Nally, Moran, Doherty, Loftus, Kirby, Dillon, O Shea
Seems like a waste of Keegan at full back, could swap with vaughan? And im assuming you have higgins playin sweeper?
Why would anyone play higgins corner forward when his greatest strength is coming from deep
I actuall thing we need a left footer on that wing . how many time have we seen Cillian or andy receiving the ball with back to goal and now one to lay it off to . maybe a recall for regan or move Mclouglin in
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Clarke
Harrisson Keegan Barrett
Boyle Vaughan Durcan
O Shea Parsons
McLoughlin O Shea O Connor
Higgins Moran O Connor
Hennelly, Cafferkey, Coen, Drake, Nally, Moran, Doherty, Loftus, Kirby, Dillon, O Shea
Seems like a waste of Keegan at full back, could swap with vaughan? And im assuming you have higgins playin sweeper?
Why would anyone play higgins corner forward when his greatest strength is coming from deep
I actuall thing we need a left footer on that wing . how many time have we seen Cillian or andy receiving the ball with back to goal and now one to lay it off to . maybe a recall for regan or move Mclouglin in
Probably meant higgins as sweeper
Lee played full back last year against Sean Cavanagh & Michael Quinlivan with all the same players available. Why would the same management risk Donie Vaughan in that position this year. as for Keith Higgins I hope I dont need to explain what is meant by naming him 13.
Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Would it be an option to double mark Donaghy with a high fielder and a natural defender?
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
He's well able to contribute and man mark.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
He's well able to contribute and man mark.
From full back? :o
Let's hope they try it and we can find out for sure I suppose.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agreed
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
If Lee Keegan is put man marking Donaghy, then Stephen Rochford needs his head examined.
If he is marking Donaghy, and Fitzmaurice allows Donaghy come out the field, then Fitzmaurice needs his head examined.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
Donaghy is now three years older than he was when he roasted Cafferkey and consequently slower. AFAIK, he's now 34 and has had niggling injury problems so I can't see him doing his bull in a China shop job on the Mayo full back line again. To spancil him, it' vital that Maher, Moran &co. aren't given the time to pin point high passes in to him. Win midfield and win the match.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
Donaghy is now three years older than he was when he roasted Cafferkey and consequently slower. AFAIK, he's now 34 and has had niggling injury problems so I can't see him doing his bull in a China shop job on the Mayo full back line again. To spancil him, it' vital that Maher, Moran &co. aren't given the time to pin point high passes in to him. Win midfield and win the match.
He was never mobile to begin with, nor does he have much in the way of skills to degrade with the added age.
He catches the ball, hand-passes it to the nearest Kerry jersy and acts like a spoilt child towards officials. Nothing has changed.
Keegan would be an insane choice for Donaghy given his height mis-match and his ability to affect the game up the field, but Rochford is not exactly the sharpest of tactical minds.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
If Lee Keegan is put man marking Donaghy, then Stephen Rochford needs his head examined.
If he is marking Donaghy, and Fitzmaurice allows Donaghy come out the field, then Fitzmaurice needs his head examined.
Keegan is always put on the opposition best player i don't think a mid 30 year old Donaghy is Kerrys best, also Donaghy comes out the field a lot nowadays can be seen in midfield and helping out in the full back line.
Paul Geaney and James O'Donoghue are key for Kerry. If those two are held to low scores then Mayo will be getting that long awaited championship win against Kerry.
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Clarke
Harrisson Keegan Barrett
Boyle Vaughan Durcan
O Shea Parsons
McLoughlin O Shea O Connor
Higgins Moran O Connor
Hennelly, Cafferkey, Coen, Drake, Nally, Moran, Doherty, Loftus, Kirby, Dillon, O Shea
Doherty for Vaughan IMO and would agree with the rest.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
If Lee Keegan is put man marking Donaghy, then Stephen Rochford needs his head examined.
If he is marking Donaghy, and Fitzmaurice allows Donaghy come out the field, then Fitzmaurice needs his head examined.
Keegan is always put on the opposition best player i don't think a mid 30 year old Donaghy is Kerrys best, also Donaghy comes out the field a lot nowadays can be seen in midfield and helping out in the full back line.
Paul Geaney and James O'Donoghue are key for Kerry. If those two are held to low scores then Mayo will be getting that long awaited championship win against Kerry.
I understand all that. What I am saying is that Rochford would be mad to sacrifice Keegan to try and keep Donaghy quiet. However if he DOES do that, then Fitzmaurice would be even madder to allow Donaghy do his usual roaming when he gets bored.
If Lee Keegan is put in on Donaghy, I think that is manna from heaven for Kerry, and Fitzmaurice will tell Donaghy to stay in on the edge of the square all day.
However, in reality, I doubt Rochford will make the same mistake he made in the second half of the first day v Rossies, when Keegan followed Smith in there, and took himself out of the game.
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Kerry can win without Donaghy playing well, Mayo have absolutely no chance if Lee Keegan doesn't contribute to the attack.
Agree. However if Keegan is put on Donaghy I assume he will follow him out to midfield or wherever he goes. Thus giving him an opportunity or two to go forward.
If Lee Keegan is put man marking Donaghy, then Stephen Rochford needs his head examined.
If he is marking Donaghy, and Fitzmaurice allows Donaghy come out the field, then Fitzmaurice needs his head examined.
Keegan is always put on the opposition best player i don't think a mid 30 year old Donaghy is Kerrys best, also Donaghy comes out the field a lot nowadays can be seen in midfield and helping out in the full back line.
Paul Geaney and James O'Donoghue are key for Kerry. If those two are held to low scores then Mayo will be getting that long awaited championship win against Kerry.
I understand all that. What I am saying is that Rochford would be mad to sacrifice Keegan to try and keep Donaghy quiet. However if he DOES do that, then Fitzmaurice would be even madder to allow Donaghy do his usual roaming when he gets bored.
If Lee Keegan is put in on Donaghy, I think that is manna from heaven for Kerry, and Fitzmaurice will tell Donaghy to stay in on the edge of the square all day.
However, in reality, I doubt Rochford will make the same mistake he made in the second half of the first day v Rossies, when Keegan followed Smith in there, and took himself out of the game.
Totally agree AZ. I think Keegan would be wasted at FB and it would definitely be a mismatch height wise anyway. If he was on Donaghy there isn't a a chance Fitzmaurice would allow Donaghy to pass the 13. Rochford usually gets his match ups pretty spot on, whatever he comes up with will probably work defensively. The key is that it is not done at the expense of blunting our attack. If we take Doherty out and play an extra defender there will be a huge onus on the backs to get forward and make up for this. The midfielders (sometimes a half forward) will then have to sit and cover for them while they're away from home. That's the balance Horan never quite mastered. Rochford has to or we're toast.
If one player has to go then for me its Diarmuid.
Dropping Doherty would be brain dead imo - he has been outstanding the last few games. You need at least one link man between half back line and FF line .... you can't run everything. Doherty will work like a dog and win every ball that comes his way
Dropping McLoughlin doesn't make sense either if we want to play a hard running game.
Agree with Blast05, you couldn't drop McLoughlin or Doherty on form IMO.
I feel the Roscommon game should both the strength and weakness of Mayo. They are a formidable team and will put it up to anyone but some of the missed opportunities against Roscommon highlight again why Mayo struggle to beat the best. I hope they win it but they need more of their players to play well than Kerry do. I expect this to be a great game, perhaps the game of the year. Kerry have the more potent forwards but Mayo are better, overall, than Kerry from 1-9, though I think Kerry have the edge at midfield. Looking forward to it anyway.
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
Agree with Blast05, you couldn't drop McLoughlin or Doherty on form IMO.
I feel the Roscommon game should both the strength and weakness of Mayo. They are a formidable team and will put it up to anyone but some of the missed opportunities against Roscommon highlight again why Mayo struggle to beat the best. I hope they win it but they need more of their players to play well than Kerry do. I expect this to be a great game, perhaps the game of the year. Kerry have the more potent forwards but Mayo are better, overall, than Kerry from 1-9, though I think Kerry have the edge at midfield. Looking forward to it anyway.
Kerry have the more potent forwards .....
- based on their performance against Clare (don't think so)
- Cork (Mayo v Cork showed that Cork have no defensive structure with no protection for their full back line and conceded a huge amount of easy chances to Mayo ... as they did to Kerry. Most impressive forward v Cork between Mayo and Kerry was Cillian O'Connor
- Galway .... don't think so.
So, yes - Kerry have the more potent forwards .... on paper
Quote from: blast05 on August 16, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
Agree with Blast05, you couldn't drop McLoughlin or Doherty on form IMO.
I feel the Roscommon game should both the strength and weakness of Mayo. They are a formidable team and will put it up to anyone but some of the missed opportunities against Roscommon highlight again why Mayo struggle to beat the best. I hope they win it but they need more of their players to play well than Kerry do. I expect this to be a great game, perhaps the game of the year. Kerry have the more potent forwards but Mayo are better, overall, than Kerry from 1-9, though I think Kerry have the edge at midfield. Looking forward to it anyway.
Kerry have the more potent forwards .....
- based on their performance against Clare (don't think so)
- Cork (Mayo v Cork showed that Cork have no defensive structure with no protection for their full back line and conceded a huge amount of easy chances to Mayo ... as they did to Kerry. Most impressive forward v Cork between Mayo and Kerry was Cillian O'Connor
- Galway .... don't think so.
So, yes - Kerry have the more potent forwards .... on paper
Take past seasons into account
Quote from: blast05 on August 16, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
Agree with Blast05, you couldn't drop McLoughlin or Doherty on form IMO.
I feel the Roscommon game should both the strength and weakness of Mayo. They are a formidable team and will put it up to anyone but some of the missed opportunities against Roscommon highlight again why Mayo struggle to beat the best. I hope they win it but they need more of their players to play well than Kerry do. I expect this to be a great game, perhaps the game of the year. Kerry have the more potent forwards but Mayo are better, overall, than Kerry from 1-9, though I think Kerry have the edge at midfield. Looking forward to it anyway.
Kerry have the more potent forwards .....
- based on their performance against Clare (don't think so)
- Cork (Mayo v Cork showed that Cork have no defensive structure with no protection for their full back line and conceded a huge amount of easy chances to Mayo ... as they did to Kerry. Most impressive forward v Cork between Mayo and Kerry was Cillian O'Connor
- Galway .... don't think so.
So, yes - Kerry have the more potent forwards .... on paper
In reality, IMO. Geaney is the best forward on the pitch.
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 07:51:17 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 16, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
Agree with Blast05, you couldn't drop McLoughlin or Doherty on form IMO.
I feel the Roscommon game should both the strength and weakness of Mayo. They are a formidable team and will put it up to anyone but some of the missed opportunities against Roscommon highlight again why Mayo struggle to beat the best. I hope they win it but they need more of their players to play well than Kerry do. I expect this to be a great game, perhaps the game of the year. Kerry have the more potent forwards but Mayo are better, overall, than Kerry from 1-9, though I think Kerry have the edge at midfield. Looking forward to it anyway.
Kerry have the more potent forwards .....
- based on their performance against Clare (don't think so)
- Cork (Mayo v Cork showed that Cork have no defensive structure with no protection for their full back line and conceded a huge amount of easy chances to Mayo ... as they did to Kerry. Most impressive forward v Cork between Mayo and Kerry was Cillian O'Connor
- Galway .... don't think so.
So, yes - Kerry have the more potent forwards .... on paper
In reality, IMO. Geaney is the best forward on the pitch.
The best forward on the field is Lee Keegan.
You can make a case for best footballer alright but not forward.
Master pundit David Brady at it again! Why didn't I think of this plan?!?
http://humansofthegaa.com/david-bradys-masterplan-for-mayo-to-deal-with-donaghy-suggests-he-might-want-to-lay-off-the-mushrooms/ (http://humansofthegaa.com/david-bradys-masterplan-for-mayo-to-deal-with-donaghy-suggests-he-might-want-to-lay-off-the-mushrooms/)
Brady is a pure clim when it comes to punditry.
The worst pundit bar none and that's saying something with the likes of Bernard Flynn and Pat Spillane bounding about bellowing utter nonsense.
Quote from: Zulu on August 16, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
The worst pundit bar none and that's saying something with the likes of Bernard Flynn and Pat Spillane bounding about bellowing utter nonsense.
You've obviously never heard Charlie Redmond in action then.... Never ceases to make an absolute fool of himself every time he opens his mouth!
P.S. Just to clear, I'm not a fan of Brady.
Brady's a first class clampit -- Armagh were going to beat Tyrone because they embraced each other after their win over Tipp FFS!
Aftermath of Atlantic hurricane due to hit us on Sunday.
I used to enjoy the build up to these big games, not anymore its such a load of dishonest bollixolgy.
Predictions?
Betting man would have to go with Kerry forwards
Mayo 2-15
Kerry 3-10
If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
QuoteI used to enjoy the build up to these big games, not anymore its such a load of dishonest bollixolgy.
You can sing that. Just read the Bombers article over lunch. Talking down the Kerry midfield and talking up ours.
The Kerry byes at this stage must know that everyone is wise to yer aul bollixolgy.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 17, 2017, 12:33:50 PM
Predictions?
Mayo 3-13 Kerry 1-16
Deegan to black card Paul Geaney for nothing in the first half, award two soft penalties to Mayo (Keegan with a blantant dive for one), Donaghy to be assaulted all day with no consequences and Mayo to get every soft free imaginable with only about 1-4 of our 3-13 to come from play! :D
Kerry to score all but 3 points of their total from play and have a perfect goal disallowed for an open fist hanpass (remember that rule from a few years ago)!! ;D
Kerry 5-11 Mayowestros 21 points.
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Have to agree, reading nothing into the Rossie replay, cant see anything other than a Kerry win.
Kerry 3-15 Mayo 1-13
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Typical cute hoorism from the yerras
If Mayo play a sweeper and hold the half backs back we wont get scores. If we dont well get ripped apart, so really cant see anything outside a kerry win.
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Looking forward to seeing your posts on Sunday evening. Kerry don't hold the aura of '04-'06 for this group. There is much more pressure on this Kerry Group as there is on Mayo, even more. Losing to Mayo would put them down the pecking order. They have been ranked 2nd the last couple of years based purely on tradition.
Speaking of scalps! Who has been Kerrys last big Scalp? Mayo 2014? Not one to put in the scrap book!
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 17, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Looking forward to seeing your posts on Sunday evening. Kerry don't hold the aura of '04-'06 for this group. There is much more pressure on this Kerry Group as there is on Mayo, even more. Losing to Mayo would put them down the pecking order. They have been ranked 2nd the last couple of years based purely on tradition.
Speaking of scalps! Who has been Kerrys last big Scalp? Mayo 2014? Not one to put in the scrap book!
Don't kid yourself as to Mayo being a scalp! You where just another county in the way of us winning another AI title that year. You threw your best at us and we still beat ye. Must be depressing to have given some much and still come up short to what was then a Kerry team in transition.
If Kerry win this by ten points plus, what proposal should we bring forward for next year's championship?
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Kerry all the way. We wont be able to compete with Moran in midfield and Donaghy at full forward. If Mayo get within 10 points of them i'll be happy. And then on march Kerry in the hope of getting there first serious scalp in the championship since.....???.... well, have they ever had one. Surely the only thing that can be considered a serious scalp is to topple the almighty kingdom.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 17, 2017, 03:28:14 PM
If Kerry win this by ten points plus, what proposal should we bring forward for next year's championship?
A super 2. Best of 7 games like the NBA finals.
Donaghy first goal... 10/1, Kerry by exactly 8... 17/1.
What's the story with David Moran's injury?
I believe he pulled up in training the other evening and is a doubtful starter.
Quote from: highorlow on August 17, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
What's the story with David Moran's injury?
I believe he pulled up in training the other evening and is a doubtful starter.
Yerra, he pulled up his socks is all
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 17, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Looking forward to seeing your posts on Sunday evening. Kerry don't hold the aura of '04-'06 for this group. There is much more pressure on this Kerry Group as there is on Mayo, even more. Losing to Mayo would put them down the pecking order. They have been ranked 2nd the last couple of years based purely on tradition.
Speaking of scalps! Who has been Kerrys last big Scalp? Mayo 2014? Not one to put in the scrap book!
In fairness many Mayo heads believe they are ranked the 2nd best the last few years even though the main scalp taken the last 3 years was a 14 man Tyrone side in transition by one point. As Aidan O'Mahony said yesterday Kerry are judged on how they do in All-Ireland finals and not on winning semi-finals i think Mayo need to have this same attitude if they win on Sunday.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 17, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 17, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Looking forward to seeing your posts on Sunday evening. Kerry don't hold the aura of '04-'06 for this group. There is much more pressure on this Kerry Group as there is on Mayo, even more. Losing to Mayo would put them down the pecking order. They have been ranked 2nd the last couple of years based purely on tradition.
Speaking of scalps! Who has been Kerrys last big Scalp? Mayo 2014? Not one to put in the scrap book!
In fairness many Mayo heads believe they are ranked the 2nd best the last few years even though the main scalp taken the last 3 years was a 14 man Tyrone side in transition by one point. As Aidan O'Mahony said yesterday Kerry are judged on how they do in All-Ireland finals and not on winning semi-finals i think Mayo need to have this same attitude if they win on Sunday.
If Mayo are judged only on how they do in AI finals.. Jesus wept.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 17, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
How is he a liability?
Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 17, 2017, 05:51:08 PM
If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Clarke
Enright Griffin Harrison
Keegan Crowley Boyle
Moran Parsons
Doherty AOS COC
Geaney Donaghy JOD
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 17, 2017, 05:40:01 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 17, 2017, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Thy Kingdom Come on August 17, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Never fails to amuse me how Mayo supporters continuously go in blind into games. They hammer an average Roscommon team after giving them far too much respect in the original fixture and suddenly they are a serious outfit. For all their Huffing and Puffing it's been 5 years since Mayo took a serious scalp in the Championship - Dublin 2012. Like Tyrone they like to believe in their own importance. The game will be up for this group on Sunday! They, like other Mayo teams will join in the annals of cumulative under-achievers of their predecessors!
Kerry by 5 (and pulling up at that)!
Looking forward to seeing your posts on Sunday evening. Kerry don't hold the aura of '04-'06 for this group. There is much more pressure on this Kerry Group as there is on Mayo, even more. Losing to Mayo would put them down the pecking order. They have been ranked 2nd the last couple of years based purely on tradition.
Speaking of scalps! Who has been Kerrys last big Scalp? Mayo 2014? Not one to put in the scrap book!
Don't kid yourself as to Mayo being a scalp! You where just another county in the way of us winning another AI title that year. You threw your best at us and we still beat ye. Must be depressing to have given some much and still come up short to what was then a Kerry team in transition.
Any word on O'Donoghue. Heard he had a off the field issue coming into Galway.Maybe why he was out of form?
I heard that the priest skipped over his house for the Stations....very upsetting for all involved
Quote from: highorlow on August 17, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
What's the story with David Moran's injury?
I believe he pulled up in training the other evening and is a doubtful starter.
I heard there was a massive row.
Some interesting stats here via @dontfoul
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdPVBGW0AAhioL.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdEwIgXgAE__tI.jpg)
Quote from: Jinxy on August 17, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 17, 2017, 03:48:07 PM
What's the story with David Moran's injury?
I believe he pulled up in training the other evening and is a doubtful starter.
I heard there was a massive row.
Geaney carrying on with Fitz's missus apparently, huge split in the camp over it
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 17, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
Mayo will beat Kerry.
Apart from Kerry's inside forwards, Mayo are a better team for me.
Fitzmaurice is probably the better manager and Kerry would seem to have a more impactful bench but I wouldn't have one Kerry player from 1-7 in that Mayo side.
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 17, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 17, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
With which part?
He's very poor and regularly has to resort to cynical and very unsubtle fouls as a result, which bizarrely he is allowed carry out with impunity.
Quote from: mayo.mick on August 17, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
Some interesting stats here via @dontfoul
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdPVBGW0AAhioL.jpg)
Kerry go long with a lot more kickouts than us (41% v 58%) and also force the opposition to go long a lot more (65% v 50%) Clarke's kickouts and the runners will need to be on their game on Sunday
I believe the real injury concern in Kerry is over Donaghy.
Star was very bad with the mastitis on Tuesday, according to a man I know. And this is particularly serious for Donaghy because he's such a total tit.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 17, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
I believe the real injury concern in Kerry is over Donaghy.
Star was very bad with the mastitis on Tuesday, according to a man I know. And this is particularly serious for Donaghy because he's such a total tit.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 17, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
I believe the real injury concern in Kerry is over Donaghy.
Star was very bad with the mastitis on Tuesday, according to a man I know. And this is particularly serious for Donaghy because he's such a total tit.
That's just too f**king good!! Oh man!!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 17, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
I believe the real injury concern in Kerry is over Donaghy.
Star was very bad with the mastitis on Tuesday, according to a man I know. And this is particularly serious for Donaghy because he's such a total tit.
It's alright for neutrals to point it out but I don't know if calling your direct opposition's players tits is a wise move.
COC is probably the second most hateful forward in the country after Donaghy, by the way.
(http://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article36040953.ece/a8da4/BINARY/Ages.JPG)
Some interesting reading of the age profiles in both squads.
Mayo seem fresher around the middle area of the pitch.
Alan Dillon is nearly 35!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 17, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on August 17, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 17, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
With which part?
He's very poor and regularly has to resort to cynical and very unsubtle fouls as a result, which bizarrely he is allowed carry out with impunity.
That's he's not very good. I think he's a very good man-marker.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2017, 09:24:57 AM
Alan Dillon is nearly 35!
Last surviving member of the 1951 team I was told
true story bro
Quote from: Kurtz on August 18, 2017, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 18, 2017, 09:24:57 AM
Alan Dillon is nearly 35!
Last surviving member of the 1951 team I was told
true story bro
That and Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground! ;)
Wasn't aware that Donnacha Walsh was 33, he's still got some engine for a man that age.
Mayo are going to have some turn over in the defence during the coming years. It really is last chance saloon for some of those guys.
from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
Quote from: rosnarun on August 18, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
It's the key players in their 30s that have people worried about Mayo. It's not going to be Brendan Harrison or Paddy Durcan or even DOC on all known form that's going to win this game for Mayo.. it's the old stagers who've been punch drunk more often than not the past two years.
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 18, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
It's the key players in their 30s that have people worried about Mayo. It's not going to be Brendan Harrison or Paddy Durcan or even DOC on all known form that's going to win this game for Mayo.. it's the old stagers who've been punch drunk more often than not the past two years.
Age at some levels is a state of mind! Cillian O'Connor is the same age as Danny Kirby! Both you'd imagine are in different states of mind with regards their place on the team, their experience and their journey!
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 18, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
It's the key players in their 30s that have people worried about Mayo. It's not going to be Brendan Harrison or Paddy Durcan or even DOC on all known form that's going to win this game for Mayo.. it's the old stagers who've been punch drunk more often than not the past two years.
Tell us about your recent punch drunk experiences oh sage one.
Experience is a major factor ,
Where as Cillian is practically a veteran at this stage he is the kinda lad that never looked young . Solid as a rock.
id love to see Kirby tested . he has something but im not sure its enough, sunday probably not the time to find out
Cillian O Connor as a minor in 2009 looked like a senior footballer while he's a decent club footballer Kirby at 25 still doesn't look like senior county footballer.
MayoMark talks Club 51, 2014, thoughts about Sunday and selfies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ixpZ_tuWF4
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from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
It's the key players in their 30s that have people worried about Mayo. It's not going to be Brendan Harrison or Paddy Durcan or even DOC on all known form that's going to win this game for Mayo.. it's the old stagers who've been punch drunk more often than not the past two years.
How are you still spouting shite? It doesn't matter what anyone on here says about Jerry or any other players being tits
How punch drunk did Higgins or Boyle or SOS look when they were running riot against yer lads.
You've reached Tony Fearon levels of deludedness at this stage
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Quote from: rosnarun on August 18, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
from my sums the average of the starting teams will be Mayo 27.9 and kerry 27.4.
(though swap anthony maher into midfield and the the ages are practically the same Mayo 27.9 and kerry 28)
is a six monthe per player gap any significance or are the averages a sign of 2 teams in their prime
It's the key players in their 30s that have people worried about Mayo. It's not going to be Brendan Harrison or Paddy Durcan or even DOC on all known form that's going to win this game for Mayo.. it's the old stagers who've been punch drunk more often than not the past two years.
How are you still spouting shite? It doesn't matter what anyone on here says about Kerry or any other players being tits
How punch drunk did Higgins or Boyle or SOS look when they were running riot against yer lads.
You've reached Tony Fearon levels of deludedness at this stage
Donnacha Walsh out not even on the bench. A massive blow to Kerry and a big boost to Mayo.
Lad is well past being irreplaceable.
Is it too far-fetched to think that hes not injured. That someone could drop of the bench last minute to replaced in the squad by Walsh?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Donnacha Walsh out not even on the bench. A massive blow to Kerry and a big boost to Mayo.
If that is a big boost to Mayo then they might as well not turn up .... id say Kerry are going for a different structure ....then bring Walsh on at some stage to take an influential Mayo player out of it .... cut h's them Kerry boys
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
Was Jack Mc out of nappies in 2013? Is that really your example that disproves what I said? An old vet beating a talented but raw young lad?
Durcan in for Keegan although there will surely be changes
O'brien, young & Maher in for Walsh, Fitzgerald & Barry
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
He was 29 then, McCaffrey was 19.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
Was Jack Mc out of nappies in 2013? Is that really your example that disproves what I said? An old vet beating a talented but raw young lad?
"You always come back with some stupid remark"..QED. ::)
If you're good enough to start for Dublin, what difference does age make? He was outstanding for most of that year, won young POTY etc. Anyway forget it, you've proved that logic is no part of the equation with you numerous times.
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Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
Was Jack Mc out of nappies in 2013? Is that really your example that disproves what I said? An old vet beating a talented but raw young lad?
"You always come back with some stupid remark"..QED. ::)
If you're good enough to start for Dublin, what difference does age make? He was outstanding for most of that year, won young POTY etc. Anyway forget it, you've proved that logic is no part of the equation with you numerous times.
What difference does it make? He was a teenager FFS, going up against a fully grown man about 30.
If experience doesn't matter why is the average age of the key players on Sunday so high? Surely if you're good enough to play for Mayo or Kerry it should matter if you're 18 or 28?
You're trying to take some sort of intellectual high ground but all you've done is call me playground names and say that experience and physical conditioning doesn't matter in senior IC..
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
Was Jack Mc out of nappies in 2013? Is that really your example that disproves what I said? An old vet beating a talented but raw young lad?
"You always come back with some stupid remark"..QED. ::)
If you're good enough to start for Dublin, what difference does age make? He was outstanding for most of that year, won young POTY etc. Anyway forget it, you've proved that logic is no part of the equation with you numerous times.
What difference does it make? He was a teenager FFS, going up against a fully grown man about 30.
If experience doesn't matter why is the average age of the key players on Sunday so high? Surely if you're good enough to play for Mayo or Kerry it should matter if you're 18 or 28?
You're trying to take some sort of intellectual high ground but all you've done is call me playground names and say that experience and physical conditioning doesn't matter in senior IC..
Yes exactly, phyiscal conditioning, speed etc is seriously important at the highest level. Jim Gavin deemed Jack McCaffrey up to the standard of starting in an All-Ireland winning team in 2013, the year in question, despite his lack of experience.
And I've no problem calling you an idiot, based on your posting record. I won't be alone there either.
Syferus was grand and quiet there for a while for some reason, but I think the U17s winning last weekend has emboldened him again :)
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
Was Walsh not starting ever much of a blow even in his prime? To be honest, he always came across as just another 'guy', a player that wouldn't leave a gaping hole in a team but who never would be the winning of a game either. Kerry's Jason Doherty, so to speak. Certainly not in the Paul Galvin or TOS class, and not even in the David Moran or JOD class either.
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
You are so clueless it's amazing really!
You always come back with some stupid remark, but just for fear you might get some sense, do you recall the 2013 semi final where Donnacha Walsh totally bamboozled Jack McCaffrey for example? If a player can do that, surely he's not a total plodder,no?
Walsh is no silky, skillful player and has limitations but he's had a serious effect in a lot of high quality games in the last 7/8 years. His loss on Sunday (pulled hammer in training I'm hearing) makes the squad a bit weaker. O'Brien does well off the bench but has a mixed record starting games. Mikey Geaney is just a Fitzmaurice pet-project and it's a bit annoying. He's a glaring weakness.
Wet day, frees and discipline will be crucial, so this game looks tighter as we get closer to it.
Was Jack Mc out of nappies in 2013? Is that really your example that disproves what I said? An old vet beating a talented but raw young lad?
"You always come back with some stupid remark"..QED. ::)
If you're good enough to start for Dublin, what difference does age make? He was outstanding for most of that year, won young POTY etc. Anyway forget it, you've proved that logic is no part of the equation with you numerous times.
What difference does it make? He was a teenager FFS, going up against a fully grown man about 30.
If experience doesn't matter why is the average age of the key players on Sunday so high? Surely if you're good enough to play for Mayo or Kerry it should matter if you're 18 or 28?
You're trying to take some sort of intellectual high ground but all you've done is call me playground names and say that experience and physical conditioning doesn't matter in senior IC..
Yes exactly, phyiscal conditioning, speed etc is seriously important at the highest level. Jim Gavin deemed Jack McCaffrey up to the standard of starting in an All-Ireland winning team in 2013, the year in question, despite his lack of experience.
And I've no problem calling you an idiot, based on your posting record. I won't be alone there either.
You really need to stop digging on this one. Anyone can see that a very mature Walsh doing a job on a green Jack Mc is not proof of being some great player. As I said before, he's always been just a 'guy' - that's no insult either, but you chose to take it as one because you dislike the messenger.
You think being alone makes you wrong or not being alone makes you right? Wow.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 18, 2017, 10:18:31 PM
Syferus was grand and quiet there for a while for some reason, but I think the U17s winning last weekend has emboldened him again :)
I was on holidays in Majorca. If any of ye think any result or any abuse is going to make me bat an eyelid at this point I don't think you get how easily it all bounces off me.
Fact is Walsh was younger - closer to prime, McCaffrey was further
Interesting strategy by Dublin all the same that they would play a lad who was physically incapable of competing for ball.
There was me thinking they had a bigger pick than Leitrim and wouldn't be forced into such strange selections. ::)
PS ... Walsh was the difference between the sides in '14 (the dirty cheating p***k ... a compliment i guess). I'm delighted he is out cos i was sure he would have been targeted with ensuring Keegan did not score. Not like they don't have history
Anyway, Durcan surely will start and possibly Doherty to lose out for Mayo?
I'd imagine Barrett on JOD, Harrison on the real Geaney, Vaughan on Donaghy, Higgins sweeper. Very interesting to see how that battle goes. Harrison v Geaney is a serious one. 2 very effective players.
The concern for Kerry is Keegan getting space/time to attack. The other Geaney will have zero effect on the game most likely. O'Brien works hard but is hit and miss when starting although to be fair, had an excellent game in the wet v Tyrone in 2015.
I think this is going to be a tight, niggly game with a goal being crucial either way. Discipline and frees also obviously will be massive.
Unless Kerry have a very bad day around the middle and only get 45% possession or less, I think we'll do enough.
Best of luck to Mayo on Sunday. Hope they can bridge the 21 year gap. I predicted a 2 point Kerry win. Sticking to that.
Walsh was very effective in both games in 2014.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 18, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
Best of luck to Mayo on Sunday. Hope they can bridge the 21 year gap. I predicted a 2 point Kerry win. Sticking to that.
Thanks for that Farr! You could have written us off a bit more?
Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2017, 11:12:52 PM
Walsh was very effective in both games in 2014.
He was especially effective in the second game. Wonder why? ;)
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Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2017, 11:12:52 PM
Walsh was very effective in both games in 2014.
He was especially effective in the second game. Wonder why? ;)
Indeed. First day he did a little petulant dance to get Keegan sent off. Got away with persistent checking and cheap pulling and dragging both days. He was a massive player in both matches. I'm sorry in a way he is missing this.
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Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2017, 11:12:52 PM
Walsh was very effective in both games in 2014.
He was especially effective in the second game. Wonder why? ;)
Indeed. First day he did a little petulant dance to get Keegan sent off. Got away with persistent checking and cheap pulling and dragging both days. He was a massive player in both matches. I'm sorry in a way he is missing this.
Yes, he done some dance that day! ;D
I suppose his choir boy style and fonzy hairstyle kept him under the radar. A couple of tattoos and a tighter haircut and he would have been no good at all.
Mayo I feel will win this.The Roscommon game the last day seem to have awoken the bear from its slumber and it was a more cohesive performance than we had seen all year.
Lads like Harrison Higgins and Boyle are really playing great stuff and driving the team forward with parsons hopefully to start he seems to be the rough diamond in mayo's set up at the moment and is sure to be very effective with his mobility and power and I also see a big game from cillian o Connor tomorrow.
Kerry on the other hand are very much under cooked this far into championship and if mayo can hit the ground running I can see them win by three or four.
Walsh is a huge loss to Kerry and JOD hasn't seem to reach the heights we thought he would so hard to know what to expect from him either very good or very bad
There is something more steely about this mayo team this year and I think this resolve will help them reach the final.
Anyway here's to a good game either way
From the most recent posts here, I take it that the lineups have been announced but I haven't seen them anywhere. I would have thought someone here would have posted them by now.
PS Farr, only two points?
Geez, I was waiting for you to come up with at least a six or seven point drubbing and now I'm getting a bit windy. We might even lose at that rate of going. ;D
I fancied Kerry to win the All Ireland at the start of the year and still feel they are best equipped to beat Dublin but the closer we get to this game the more I'm siding with Mayo. I think Walsh is a massive loss for Kerry because they have less impact from the bench. I think Maher starting also weakens their bench as Barry, for all his talent, could be asked to come in and turn the tide against one of the best middle 8's in the business and that's a big ask for a young player. O'Donoghue is classy but if he is managing an injury that limits his training he could find it tough going in a game of this intensity. Basically, if Mayo can keep tabs on Kerry's FF line to a reasonable degree and their defence is as good as anyone to do it they can win this.
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Don't tell me. It's Frankie Dolan isn't it?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Don't tell me. It's Frankie Dolan isn't it?
Wind your big neck the fúck in.
The point is its a very subjective accolade and despite Joyce never doing anything to separate himself from the many other great Connacht forwards he was lauded as the best when he retired, mainly off the back of his long career.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Don't tell me. It's Frankie Dolan isn't it?
Wind your big neck the fúck in.
The point is its a very subjective accolade and despite Joyce never doing anything to separate himself from the many other great Connacht forwards he was lauded as the best when he retired, mainly off the back of his long career.
Cregger?
No its got to be Senan.Didnt Paddy Joe anoint him as the best player in Ireland a few years ago ;D
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Don't tell me. It's Frankie Dolan isn't it?
Wind your big neck the fúck in.
The point is its a very subjective accolade and despite Joyce never doing anything to separate himself from the many other great Connacht forwards he was lauded as the best when he retired, mainly off the back of his long career.
Having a long career is one of the things that makes a great player great.
I would have thought there'd be absolutely no debate at all that Joyce is/was the best inside forward to come out of Connacht in the past 25 years.
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I would have thought there'd be absolutely no debate at all that Joyce is/was the best inside forward to come out of Connacht in the past 25 years.
Me either
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 19, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
I would have thought there'd be absolutely no debate at all that Joyce is/was the best inside forward to come out of Connacht in the past 25 years.
Me either
We can start a thread on it in the winter to kill the time. In the meantime, let's stick to Mayo v Kerry.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 19, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
I would have thought there'd be absolutely no debate at all that Joyce is/was the best inside forward to come out of Connacht in the past 25 years.
Me either
We can start a thread on it in the winter to kill the time. In the meantime, let's stick to Mayo v Kerry.
Any plans for the winter?
We could do with a few mods around here alright - are you available?
Best of luck to Mayo against the dheras. I would love to see Rochford go into the Kerry dressing room afterwards, commiserate and tell them that Mayo needed it more.
Yeah good luck Mayo the Mora. If they run at that defence at pace they have a chance. If they crab pass across the field they may go home.
It would give Tyrone great hope going into the other semi
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
Best of luck to Mayo against the dheras. I would love to see Rochford go into the Kerry dressing room afterwards, commiserate and tell them that Mayo needed it more.
When Rochford goes into the Kerry dressing room tomorrow he should tell them they were unlucky, to stick at it and their day will come.
We will win this by 4 or 5 points once we play on the front foot.
I know the media love to chat about him, but all the talk of Donaghy is way over the top. As good and as effective as he can be O'Donoghue and Geaney are class beside him.
I have a good feeling for Mayo based on nothing. It's just their sadism towards their own fans that would see them get to another final the hardest way possible, only to lose.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 19, 2017, 10:36:41 PM
I know the media love to chat about him, but all the talk of Donaghy is way over the top. As good and as effective as he can be O'Donoghue and Geaney are class beside him.
I have a good feeling for Mayo based on nothing. It's just their sadism towards their own fans that would see them get to another final the hardest way possible, only to lose.
All the chat is because Mayo have been woeful defending him. Geaney is a better player but if Donaghy catches a single ball inside the Mayo defence tomorrow it's probably game over.
Spent all week in Westport and had a great time, so would be quite happy for a Mayo win. A lot of the ones I spoke to weren't that confident about tomorrow though. Honestly think Mayo have a decent chance as Kerry aren't that great.
I would love to see Mayo win this, a Mayo Dublin final would ensure an open football game and that would be great for all of us neutrals.
I fancied Kerry from the get go and feel they have a big gam in them yet this year, Mayo might just get tanked, we will see soon enough.
Best wishes to our Western neighbours tomorra.
Be great for the people of Co Mayo if ye do it.
Quote from: seafoid on August 19, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
Best of luck to Mayo against the dheras. I would love to see Rochford go into the Kerry dressing room afterwards, commiserate and tell them that Mayo needed it more.
Yeah, and he should go in bare-chested like Sir John in '96. Although in his case it would be more bare-bellied - so maybe not!
Quote from: Rossfan on August 19, 2017, 11:18:44 PM
Best wishes to our Western neighbours tomorra.
Be great for the people of Co Mayo if ye do it.
Cheers Ross.
We've a bit of a chance tomorrow. It was a wet day as well when we beat the cute hoors in 96. The place was half empty.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
I think in this sport we have a tendancy to reward longevity with unwarranted plaudits - Padraig Joyce was being lauded as the best forward Connacht had ever seen on his retirement, lest we forget.
Don't tell me. It's Frankie Dolan isn't it?
Wind your big neck the fúck in.
The point is its a very subjective accolade and despite Joyce never doing anything to separate himself from the many other great Connacht forwards he was lauded as the best when he retired, mainly off the back of his long career.
Don't want to get into this as it's a Mayo v Kerry thread but I don't see a big list of Connacht forwards that have scored 0-10 in one All-Ireland final and scored the vital goal in another All-Ireland final. I'm sure I'll be educated on the topic though as per usual. By a born inveterate spoofer and bullshitter.
I also don't understand why you feel the need to constantly take cheap digs at certain players. Grow the f**k up.
I see Billy has come out saying mayo have to go to war with Donaghy. For once I actually agree with him. When I think back to how tyrone dealt with the twin towers in 2008 and how Dublin deal with him then mayo have to come up with something as well. They have had numerous chances to come up with a plan but with limited success. Here's hoping we see something new from them today.
How do you fancy the Kerry defenders to take on the Mayo forwards?
Griffin on O'Connor?
Enright on Moran?
With Walsh out and Kerry's bench weakened by starting O'Brien, I could see Kerry drafting in another defender and playing Paul Murphy somewhere around the middle with a limited defensive responsibility, it's his best position as I don't think he's a great marker. I remember McBrearty coming in the 2014 AI final and taking two points off him in a matter of minutes prompting them to switch markers.
I think Mayo should target Diarmuid O'Connor on Crowley, I don't think he's been anywhere near his 2014 level since and I noticed in a few big games in recent years he has really been struggling with the pace of the game near the closing stages of big games. He's extremely cynical and if O'Connor runs at him he will draw fouls and cards if the referee is doing his job. Given that it's Deegan though, he will probably share a laugh and joke about it with the Kerry man before deciding against any action.
Mayo by 4.
I thought we'd be out at this stage, based on the expected conditions a draw is likely but I think we can sneak it.
Barry Moran and Conor O'Shea are part of the mayo subs today. Regan and Boland drop out.
COC hasn't been as efficient this year from free kicks. In fact, DontFoul on Twitter reports that his accuracy is down at 35% from 35m plus. He'll need a significant improvement today to keep Mayo's hopes alive.
looking at this now I see only one outcome, a five point plus win for Kerry, prediction, Kerry 2-17 Mayo 1-12.
Just started raining in Dublin, it's going to be a greasy ball today
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 20, 2017, 01:17:41 PM
Just started raining in Dublin, it's going to be a greasy ball today
Advantage Kerry in that matter.
Moran on to mark *
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 20, 2017, 01:17:41 PM
Just started raining in Dublin, it's going to be a greasy ball today
Advantage Kerry in that matter.
Rains a lot in feckin Mayo and Ballagh too y know
Mayo bating Kerry . Binn an fhuaim sa samhradh thiar.
https://youtu.be/5iBqhMfyoPU
Will have no excess to RTE or Rupert TV.
Can the good people of this board please put up a link if possible.
Will be very greatfull.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Donnacha Walsh out not even on the bench. A massive blow to Kerry and a big boost to Mayo.
No point risking Donnachadh as we will need him for the final though believe he will be on bench and brought for last 10 minutes if needed.
Another minor finals for us, 4 in a row now. I think should be comfortable enough for Kerry. A big game in James Donoghue and Donaghy. Mayo won't have the firepower. Read somewhere Kerry havent lost to Mayo or any connacht team since 1996
Can be little excuses about the weather after watching minors scoring 4-32 between them. If this game is low scoring it will because both sides will have set up defensively.
Oh the black and red of Mayo.
Kerry 1-21 Mayo 2-14
Just can't see anything but a Kerry win.
Aiden O'Shea at full back??
Haha David Brady was right!!
What are they at???
Goal for Mayo. Andy Moran! Awful defending in the Kerry full back line.
Goal!!!!!
Kerry full back line a mess!
For those who think Enright is a good defender look at that goal.
Mayo well up for this, get stuck into them!!
I think Mayo are taking this seriously.
Kerry goal! the sides are level 1-2 each.
Seamus O'Se fucked that up in midfield losing the ball for the goal.
Jesus Mayo, why can't you kick the thing over the bar??
Twitter hopeless for this one?
This is a day for AOS at full forward, not full back!
AOS trying to defend - laugh out loud.
Rochford is a complete bluffer. The duo were better managers than him.
Moran cleaning out Enright and keeping Mayo in it.
Another Mayo goal. Mayo 2-3 Kerry 1-4. 20 mins played.
Boyle certainly over carried but exactly what Mayo needed. Mighty game so far.
How did Mayo not score a 3rd goal there? the Kerry full back line all over the shop.
Brilliant game so far, hopefully Mayo can do it (Would prefer to play Kerry in final though!)
Great game so far. Kerry full back line is awful!
How did they keep that out???
Kerry backs a total disaster. Get Aiden up front!!
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
How did they keep that out???
Kerry backs a total disaster. Get Aiden up front!!
Agreed. It's a day for the long ball into the square.
Was the tactic just to keep AOS to f**k out of the way? Fluent without him soloing in circles.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
Was the tactic just to keep AOS to f**k out of the way? Fluent without him soloing in circles.
Is he Mayo's Kolo Toure?
Quote from: heffo on August 20, 2017, 03:56:32 PM
Brilliant game so far, hopefully Mayo can do it (Would prefer to play Kerry in final though!)
You've no worries in that regard a bhuachaill. :)
As usual, Mayo very wasteful in front of goal. Could rue these big time as the match reaches it's conclusion.
30 mins gone. Mayo 2-5 Kerry 1-7.
Reminds me of Tyrone's game with Kerry in 2015.
Mayo are tearing Kerry apart at will but it's not showing on the scoreboard.
AOS at full back is more bizarre than the goalie change last year.
A lot of unnecessary fouls given away by Mayo
Deegan will be the new Cormac Reilly at this stage, he's giving Kerry every decision going.
Mayo's fouling keeping Kerry in it
Should be a hop ball surely?
Mayo will need at least one more goal to win this. The only reason they haven't won an All Ireland already is their forwards.
Mayo's fouling and wastefulness in front of post will be the losing of this gsme. They really should have Kerry on the rack at this stage.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 04:06:09 PM
Mayo will need at least one more goal to win this. The only reason they haven't won an All Ireland already is their forwards.
The reason they haven't won All Irelands is through actions like Seamus O'Shea for the Kerry goal. They implode. They've scored 2-05 in the first half in poor conditions, that's not bad going.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 20, 2017, 04:04:35 PM
AOS at full back is more bizarre than the goalie change last year.
+1
Already at fault for the goal and Star's point. Seems to be marking space most of the time.
AOS has never been able to mark players in all the years I've watched him. If Rochford really thought this was a good idea SOS or Parsons (the best choice of the three for this role) would have made far more sense.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
Care to retract.
Murphy doing a great job on Keegan.
Mayo the better side but Free's keeping Kerry in it.
HT Mayo 2-5 Kerry 1-8. Good half of football but some very bad defending by both sides.
Cillian O'Connor and Lee Keegan have been poor for Mayo.
Ref giving Kerry some soft ones
Mayo haven't imploded at all, they've delivered in spades. However, they always miss scoreable chances either by dropping them short or missing them wide. COC just showed why he isn't an elite forward. Fetched a brilliant ball but couldn't turn and beat one defender, Moran, Geaney, Donoghue would all have got a shot off or won a free.
I really hope they win but they miss so much that they must be taking years off their supporters lives.
Error ridden game but I suppose the conditions are a big contributor - poor defending and some very bad wides on both sides. Mayo need to get AOS and Keegan more involved if they are to ultimately win this game I feel. AOS is not a FB and is a total waste there. He would cause more havoc in that Kerry defence if he was allowed to drive at it. Clarke needs to sort out his kick outs, KY have his number at the minute.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 04:13:44 PM
Ref giving Kerry some soft ones
I don't know about that, I would say Mayo are shooting themselves in the foot and are handing Kerry frees in front of their goal.
If Mayo can get quality ball into their full forward line they will win this game, Dublin or Tyrone will destroy this Kerry full back line, they are in panic mode and porous.
Kerry have an obscene amount of spoilers on that team. It's like watching carrickmore. The Kerry mafia have spread some shitetalk that the common prerogative is that Kerry is the home of football.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Mayo haven't imploded at all, they've delivered in spades. However, they always miss scoreable chances either by dropping them short or missing them wide. COC just showed why he isn't an elite forward. Fetched a brilliant ball but couldn't turn and beat one defender, Moran, Geaney, Donoghue would all have got a shot off or won a free.
I really hope they win but they miss so much that they must be taking years off their supporters lives.
A ridiculous unforced error from Seamus O'Shea managed to cough a goal Kerry hadn't looked like scoring a goal. That's been typical Mayo in the last five years, managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Donaghys goal threat has been nullified so credit for that
Both FB lines, but especially Kerry have been awful. Kerry have given up goal chances all year but got away with it against poor sides. More goals there for Mayo but they have conceded silly frees and kicked some bad wides
At the other end JOD is running riot and Clarke's kick outs have been a disaster.
JOD being booed relentlessly by the Mayo fans when taking frees. Will the Mayo Co. Board apologies tomorrow for that?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Mayo haven't imploded at all, they've delivered in spades. However, they always miss scoreable chances either by dropping them short or missing them wide. COC just showed why he isn't an elite forward. Fetched a brilliant ball but couldn't turn and beat one defender, Moran, Geaney, Donoghue would all have got a shot off or won a free.
I really hope they win but they miss so much that they must be taking years off their supporters lives.
A ridiculous unforced error from Seamus O'Shea managed to cough a goal Kerry hadn't looked like scoring a goal. That's been typical Mayo in the last five years, managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I agree but that happens all teams. Mayo have left at least 5 scores you'd expect an elite level county team to score.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 04:16:39 PM
Mayo haven't imploded at all, they've delivered in spades. However, they always miss scoreable chances either by dropping them short or missing them wide. COC just showed why he isn't an elite forward. Fetched a brilliant ball but couldn't turn and beat one defender, Moran, Geaney, Donoghue would all have got a shot off or won a free.
I really hope they win but they miss so much that they must be taking years off their supporters lives.
A ridiculous unforced error from Seamus O'Shea managed to cough a goal Kerry hadn't looked like scoring a goal. That's been typical Mayo in the last five years, managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I agree but that happens all teams. Mayo have left at least 5 scores you'd expect an elite level county team to score.
It happens an awful lot to devastating effect with Mayo.
End to end this, every neutral willing on Mayo but you know they'll let you down.
42 mins played. Mayo 2-8 Kerry 1-9
Come on Mayo!!
Keith Higgins and Moran have been outstanding.
#fitzmauriceout
Teamtalkmag.com the best for Twitter updates: Mayo going right at it, it would seem.
Deegan ripping off Mayo here.
Kerry 2nd goal came from another bad pass by Mayo
2nd Kerry goal against the run of play. A kerry point straight after it. Kerry 2-10 Mayo 2-9. 47 mins played.
#fitzmauricein
A free kick well "won" by Lee Keegan there.
Kerry back in front 52 mins gone. Kerry 2-11 Mayo 2-10.
Would love to know the free count in this match.
Ref is a disgrace. Everything going Kerry.
What's the free count?
Donaghy doing as he pleases, no marker within 10 yards of him, criminal at this level!
The free count is pretty even. Durcan has done nothing since coming in. Moran is brilliant. AOS has to be taken out of full back for the last 15 surely?
This is heading for a replay. In Limerick, obviously.
Splendid game.
Andy Moran carrying this Mayo team on his own back. Level again 2-12 each 58 mins gone.
Black card there for a tackle round the neck by the kerryman surely?
C'mon Mayo
I take it all back COC, brilliant score. Come on ta f**k Mayo!
Level again. 63 mins gone. 2-13 each.
Zulu is not from Kerry, that much we know! ;)
Quote from: stew on August 20, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Black card there for a tackle round the neck by the kerryman surely?
C'mon Mayo
ha ha
he touched his shoulder
Kerry back in front 69 mins gone. Kerry 2-14 Mayo 2-13
Level again. Kerry 2-14 Mayo 2-14 74mins gone.
Stupid rushed free from Kerry. Awful game management
A very squeaky bum time.
Limerick it is.
FT Kerry 2-14 Mayo 2-14. Replay next Saturday.
Mayo you've got to love them. Some balls at the end.
Rochford made some bad decisions, Mayo really should have won.
Very enjoyable match.
Management cost that game for Mayo. AOS still at full back after Donoghy gone out the field. Poor subs also.
#bringittolimerick no need for croker lads
Mayo would break your heart but they are the most entertaining team in Ireland in any code. You can't but hope they win the bloody thing soon. Fair result, great game and replay should be just as good.
Why are lads criticising Mayo management? Ok, I agree AOS at full back probably wasn't the right call but it's easy to say that now when who knows what would have happened if someone else was on him. He didn't win any high balls in or around the square so you could argue it worked in its main aim. Other than that what did they do that was questionable?
Deegan played 30 secs over the allocated injury time at the end of the 1st half giving Kerry one more attack, then only played 18 secs over the 5 additional mins in the 2nd half when Mayo were about to go on the attack. What about all the subs and stoppages in injury time itself? Should have been time for at least one more attack.
I think the lads who said Shane Enright is a good defender should come back to me and apologise.
If mayo can ever win Sam there will be a million people at the homecoming.
Sounded like a great game, sadly all my live streaming attempts failed. Had to listen to it on RTÉ. Who was this andy mcenaney that Bernard Flynn kept shouting about
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 05:18:21 PM
Why are lads criticising Mayo management? Ok, I agree AOS at full back probably wasn't the right call but it's easy to say that now when who knows what would have happened if someone else was on him. He didn't win any high balls in or around the square so you could argue it worked in its main aim. Other than that what did they do that was questionable?
Taking Boyle off, not utilising AOS, Loftus being left off so long. I think they were things he got wrong. From what I've seen of Stephen Coen, he's not up to it, definitely not now anyway.
Quote from: clarshack on August 20, 2017, 05:19:25 PM
Deegan played 30 secs over the allocated injury time at the end of the 1st half giving Kerry one more attack, then only played 18 secs over the 5 additional mins in the 2nd half when Mayo were about to go on the attack. What about all the subs and stoppages in injury time itself? Should have been time for at least one more attack.
An AI semi final is level with the allotted time up - every referee in the country will blow it up!
Half time is a different kettle than full time.
Quote from: Zulu on August 20, 2017, 05:18:21 PM
Why are lads criticising Mayo management? Ok, I agree AOS at full back probably wasn't the right call but it's easy to say that now when who knows what would have happened if someone else was on him. He didn't win any high balls in or around the square so you could argue it worked in its main aim. Other than that what did they do that was questionable?
He won every ball in front of him so no need for him there. One time AOS was soloed around by Donohy and ended up on his arse. Positioning for first goal was awful.
Quote from: clarshack on August 20, 2017, 05:19:25 PM
Deegan played 30 secs over the allocated injury time at the end of the 1st half giving Kerry one more attack, then only played 18 secs over the 5 additional mins in the 2nd half when Mayo were about to go on the attack. What about all the subs and stoppages in injury time itself? Should have been time for at least one more attack.
Rubbish. Mayo had the ball almost on their own endline. 5 min were up and it was a tied game. No ref is going to play on from there.
Mayo played the better football but Kerry just hung in there. David Moran was outstanding. Kerry FB line was a shambles. Donaghy didn't win any high balls but he pulled the strings for kerry all day. Clarke's kick outs were a disaster. Kerry more room to improve but have they got the players to come in the FB line
Kerrys full back line were obliterated today.
Vaughan cost Mayo a lot in that match and almost cost them it all.
Both full back lines vulnerable it would seem, and whoever can tighten up there the more should prevail in the replay.
I didn't see All Ireland winner in that game this afternoon. Both Tyrone and Dublin are way better in the defence and at the end of the day its good defences that wins championships. The replay should bring on Kerry they were very rusty today Mayo don't have much improving to do on that performance today. Deegan without doubt played for draw at least the replay might have a better ref now.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
I think the lads who said Shane Enright is a good defender should come back to me and apologise.
Couldn't believe Fitzmaurice left him on for the full game.
Immense contest, some battle between 2 superb teams. Replay should be more of the same and a great curtain raiser to Dublin blowing Tyrone clean out of the water on Sunday
Replay in croker?
I've been under the impression that Fitzmaurice was a shrewd enough tactician up until today, he'd nothing to offer bar a full court press on the Mayo kickouts, the rest of it was shambolic.
It's really an unknown if the AOS experiment worked, but again it smacks of trying to outfox your opponent rather than playing to your own strengths, which is balls and i hate to see it.
I think that this is 1 replay too many for Mayo. Poor shooting towards the end was due to tiredness. They had the game clinching overlap near the end with 4-5 men advancing and kicked it to Kerry. Cursed.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
I've been under the impression that Fitzmaurice was a shrewd enough tactician up until today, he'd nothing to offer bar a full court press on the Mayo kickouts, the rest of it was shambolic.
It's really an unknown if the AOS experiment worked, but again it smacks of trying to outfox your opponent rather than playing to your own strengths, which is balls and i hate to see it.
Are you serious?
Did they lose?
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
I've been under the impression that Fitzmaurice was a shrewd enough tactician up until today, he'd nothing to offer bar a full court press on the Mayo kickouts, the rest of it was shambolic.
It's really an unknown if the AOS experiment worked, but again it smacks of trying to outfox your opponent rather than playing to your own strengths, which is balls and i hate to see it.
I would fully agree about fitzmaurice. Found out badly today. Really big test for him in replay.
Mayo really the better team today. I would love to see them win the ai but it must be so frustrating being a supporter. They should have won that game by 3 or 4 points.
How many times has andy moran been written off now? Great to see him continue to prove the doubters wrong.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 20, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
I've been under the impression that Fitzmaurice was a shrewd enough tactician up until today, he'd nothing to offer bar a full court press on the Mayo kickouts, the rest of it was shambolic.
It's really an unknown if the AOS experiment worked, but again it smacks of trying to outfox your opponent rather than playing to your own strengths, which is balls and i hate to see it.
I would fully agree about fitzmaurice. Found out badly today. Really big test for him in replay.
Mayo really the better team today. I would love to see them win the ai but it must be so frustrating being a supporter. They should have won that game by 3 or 4 points.
How many times has andy moran been written off now? Great to see him continue to prove the doubters wrong.
Who was writing off Andy Moran? everyone knows even at 33 years young that he is still the best scoring forward from play that Mayo have. Mayo should have won today no question but had to grab the replay from the jaws of defeat. If the replay is lost then they will know they left the win behind them today.
Moran was superb but caught waiting on the last ball there, could've ended in tears.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 20, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 20, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
I've been under the impression that Fitzmaurice was a shrewd enough tactician up until today, he'd nothing to offer bar a full court press on the Mayo kickouts, the rest of it was shambolic.
It's really an unknown if the AOS experiment worked, but again it smacks of trying to outfox your opponent rather than playing to your own strengths, which is balls and i hate to see it.
I would fully agree about fitzmaurice. Found out badly today. Really big test for him in replay.
Mayo really the better team today. I would love to see them win the ai but it must be so frustrating being a supporter. They should have won that game by 3 or 4 points.
How many times has andy moran been written off now? Great to see him continue to prove the doubters wrong.
The lad marking Moran looked like he never seen a ball before ;D
Roscommon do produce good forwards though
Hard to call whether that OShea experiment worked or not. Mayo didn't lose, Donaghy didn't cause havoc. May have spooked Kerry.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 05:58:29 PM
Hard to call whether that OShea experiment worked or not. Mayo did lose, Donaghy didn't cause havoc. May have spooked Kerry.
It ended up being pointless. He was still there when Donaghy took of. Bizarre.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
I think the lads who said Shane Enright is a good defender should come back to me and apologise.
Couldn't believe Fitzmaurice left him on for the full game.
All of them were cleaned out. It's not like he could substitute all 3 of them. Brought in Lyng at HT and made no difference
Did O'Se make it inside the Kerry 45 at all? He kept Donaghy quiet in the air but Star still had a very good game. Surely to Christ Aiden could have been given ten minutes on the Kerry 40? Kerry were there for the taking an his direct running would have caused serious issues in an already porous defence.
Just out from the game, really good Game from a neutral point of view.
I was just wondering was anything made by the tv commentators on the incident when Liam Hassett ran across the pitch and had a quick word with the Ref?
Deegan is some gobshite of a referee, heavily favoured Kerry over the course of the game though moreso in the first half.
He likes to make the game about him, taking a minute to book a player, halting play at regular intervals for delayed periods to talk to players without actions. Laughing at players as he makes incorrect calls for them.
Every f**king year he is reffing the business end games of Champions. Enough is enough.
Quote from: Aughafad on August 20, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
Just out from the game, really good Game from a neutral point of view.
I was just wondering was anything made by the tv commentators on the incident when Liam Hassett ran across the pitch and had a quick word with the Ref?
No, football pundits will not make any comment about the dark arts of Kerry.
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
To paraphrase a shit clickbait website, this is the most Mayo year ever and that was the most Mayo match ever.
This team isn't just a Gaelic football team from an obscure, windswept county on the west coast, they are effectively the centre of Irish life any time they play. You just can't take your eyes off them.
They're a world class performance art troupe who make Philippe Petit's 1974 tightrope walk between the two towers of New York's World Trade Centre seem like a Sunday stroll down to the local corner shop to buy a newspaper and a packet of 20 Silk Cut.
They look to be in control, then they lose balance, then save themselves. But they always fall off in the end.
I'm from Dublin and even I can't take the drama.
I think I am genuinely in love with this Mayo team. They're like a beautiful alcoholic.
They break your heart time and again but you always hold out the hope they might just change. And every misdemeanour makes you love them more.
The only problem is they might turn you into an alcoholic while you hold out that hope.
I think Kerry will win the replay and put a cruel, horrible, puritanical stop to all this beautiful romantic nonsense.
I wish commentators and fans a like would quit calling for black cards for neck high challenges!
It is never a black card!
Quote from: Aughafad on August 20, 2017, 06:15:03 PM
I wish commentators and fans a like would quit calling for black cards for neck high challenges!
It is never a black card!
+1
Quote from: sid waddell on August 20, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
To paraphrase a shit clickbait website, this is the most Mayo year ever and that was the most Mayo match ever.
This team isn't just a Gaelic football team from an obscure, windswept county on the west coast, they are effectively the centre of Irish life any time they play. You just can't take your eyes off them.
They're a world class performance art troupe who make Philippe Petit's 1974 tightrope walk between the two towers of New York's World Trade Centre seem like a Sunday stroll down to the local corner shop to buy a newspaper and a packet of 20 Silk Cut.
They look to be in control, then they lose balance, then save themselves. But they always fall off in the end.
I'm from Dublin and even I can't take the drama.
I think I am genuinely in love with this Mayo team. They're like a beautiful alcoholic.
They break your heart time and again but you always hold out the hope they might just change. And every misdemeanour makes you love them more.
The only problem is they might turn you into an alcoholic while you hold out that hope.
I think Kerry will win the replay and put a cruel, horrible, puritanical stop to all this beautiful romantic nonsense.
Don'tcha remember the agonies of Charlie Redmond 90-94? Lost to Donegal. Heartbreak against Derry. Beaten by Mickey Linden.More than anyone could bear. The heartache.
And then they did it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Did O'Se make it inside the Kerry 45 at all? He kept Donaghy quiet in the air but Star still had a very good game. Surely to Christ Aiden could have been given ten minutes on the Kerry 40? Kerry were there for the taking an his direct running would have caused serious issues in an already porous defence.
Kept him quiet in the air? Was there even one high ball kicked in between them?
I would say when Kerry saw O Shea in there they fed Donaghy with low ball which he won every time yards in front.
So it depends on how you look at it.
AOS in there was a deterrent to Kerry kicking it in high I think.
Donaghy was influential tho
Quote from: galwayman on August 20, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 20, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Did O'Se make it inside the Kerry 45 at all? He kept Donaghy quiet in the air but Star still had a very good game. Surely to Christ Aiden could have been given ten minutes on the Kerry 40? Kerry were there for the taking an his direct running would have caused serious issues in an already porous defence.
Kept him quiet in the air? Was there even one high ball kicked in between them?
I would say when Kerry saw O Shea in there they fed Donaghy with low ball which he won every time yards in front.
So it depends on how you look at it.
AOS in there was a deterrent to Kerry kicking it in high I think.
Donaghy was influential tho
There were a couple of times the ball went in high. Aiden won one clearly and made a good break up field. Aiden clearly affected Kerry's long ball tactic but, imo, stripped Mayo of far too much going forward.
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Quote from: Aughafad on August 20, 2017, 06:15:03 PM
I wish commentators and fans a like would quit calling for black cards for neck high challenges!
It is never a black card!
+1
+2.
Do those floots every just read the feckin rule?.
There's an incident here at 0:55 in -
https://www.facebook.com/officialgaa/videos/1481492158587189/
How was a penalty not awarded here? The Kerry defender clearly scrapes the ball away along the ground when he's lying down in the small square.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
Kerry are every bit as defensive as Tyrone, and usually do it to protect their shoddy FBs. It didn't work today so expect even more bunker dwelling on Saturday.
I do wonder sometimes what people are watching that they could think in 2017 that Kerry could be described as an attacking team. Probably the only two teams in Ireland that you could describe as attack-focused are Dublin (who regularly have 13 behind the ball, but have the conditioning and speed to break fast) and Roscommon. Everyone else plays the game not to lose.
Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
You clearly are.
Well Maybe roscommon should play some defensive football, save them a hammering
Quote from: Syferus on August 20, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
Kerry are every bit as defensive as Tyrone, and usually do it to protect their shoddy FBs. It didn't work today so expect even more bunker dwelling on Saturday.
I do wonder sometimes what people are watching that they could think in 2017 that Kerry could be described as an attacking team. Probably the only two teams in Ireland that you could describe as attack-focused are Dublin (who regularly have 13 behind the ball, but have the conditioning and speed to break fast) and Roscommon. Everyone else plays the game not to lose.
So what protection did Kerry give to their full back line today then?
Every ball that went into the Mayo ff line in the first half was 3 on 3 and sometimes 2 on 2 inside.
There was acres in there.
Best players on the field today:
Andy Moran
David Moran
Keith Higgins
In that order. Can't understand the bugging up of Donaghy performance. He was decent but certainly nowhere near as effective as the Sunday Game pundits would have you believe. Won a fair bit of easy possession though largely due to the fact that Aidan O Se has no sense of being able to man mark. I hope Rochford stops listening to David Brady and abandons that experiment next week.
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Quote from: lenny on August 20, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
You clearly are.
You clearly are if you believe the shite and propaganda Harte comes out with. Neither team today had anything like 14 or 15 men behind the ball which is a normal occurrence in Tyrone games.
What a game of football. There can't be many AISFs in which the lead changed hands so many times.
For Mayo, Boyle, Moran and Doherty were excellent. Vaughan was surprisingly good and Parsons his usual effective self. But Keith Higgins was extraordinarily good.
Kerry didn't have as many big performers. Crowley was good. Moran was very good. Geaney contributed well considering how close he was marked. Kelly's kickouts were superb.
Most of the moaning here is related to managers and the ref.
Was Fitzmaurice really caught out tactically? Mayo won maybe 40% of restarts, which is something they almost always win handsomely. They also never really got their running game going, and although this meant Andy saw more of the ball than normal, also gave Kerry some respite.
On the other side, I'd expect we will see Seamus, or else Barry Moran on the edge of the square come Saturday. The Aidan experiment saw mixed results but ultimately neither Geaney nor JOD laid hands on a breakdown the entire day. The point on nullifying Star isn't so much about nullifying him as the pair in the corners and that largely worked. From Mayo's perspective, Keegan, Seamie, DoC, CoC and and McLoughlin never really got going today. That Kerry forced a draw had much more to do with this than any managerial decision (though taking off Boyle was baffling).
I've little time for Maurice Deegan, but it's only fair to point to point out that you can't have a great game of football unless the referee contributes to it (i.e. by not influencing it).
Seamus O`Shea fouls alot but better suited to full back that Aidan, gives the same in the air too, Parsons is the best option but scored 2 points today and offers alot going forward so likely be Seamus O`Shea at full back next day with Vaughan at Midfield and Durcan starting
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 20, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
This Mayo side of the past 5 years or so will be the greatest to never win Sam.
What a game of football between 2 teams really going for it. And Micky Harte still tries to tell us that all these teams are just as defensive and negative as Tyrone. Micky, we have eyes of our own and we're not f**king stupid.
Did you mean to post that under your SouthTyrone alias?
So anawez about the Dubs and Kerry being clearly ahead and there being a top 3 . Throne have to produce the goods.
Do they have the balls?
Quote from: seafoid on August 20, 2017, 07:48:23 PM
So anawez about the Dubs and Kerry being clearly ahead and there being a top 3 . Throne have to produce the goods.
Do they have the balls?
More balls than Galway's footballers anyway.
I sort of predicted a draw but chance gone I'd say.
Still showing inferior teams too much respect. Kerry are no great shakes. Why can't we put AOS in FF and let them try and convert donakey to a FB. That plan was a cod in hindsight.
You can't become a full back over night and O'Shea proved that. Harrison would have marked donakey today.
We are fooked now for sure. I hear Leroy's foot is still in shit, Harrison looks to have damaged his hammer also.
It's a bit like the 90's team we take a huge effort to score whereas the Kerries get scores handier. Next week will be a car crash!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 20, 2017, 07:22:45 PM
Well Maybe roscommon should play some defensive football, save them a hammering
In fairness Roscommon set themselves up right for the drawn game against Mayo but were a total shambles in defence for the replay.
Quote from: highorlow on August 20, 2017, 07:57:31 PM
I sort of predicted a draw but chance gone I'd say.
Still showing inferior teams too much respect. Kerry are no great shakes. Why can't we put AOS in FF and let them try and convert donakey to a FB. That plan was a cod in hindsight.
You can't become a full back over night and O'Shea proved that. Harrison would have marked donakey today.
We are fooked now for sure. I hear Leroy's foot is still in shit, Harrison looks to have damaged his hammer also.
It's a bit like the 90's team we take a huge effort to score whereas the Kerries get scores handier. Next week will be a car crash!
I think Mayo will be the inferior team on Saturday. Rochford is the worst manager Mayo have have had since Johnno the Second. He's in the process of pissing away this team's final chances of an AI. McEntee and Buckley look like a serious waste of money at this stage. If I was a club member I'd be livid at so much money being funnelled into a brainless set-up.
Quote from: sid waddell on August 20, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
To paraphrase a shit clickbait website, this is the most Mayo year ever and that was the most Mayo match ever.
This team isn't just a Gaelic football team from an obscure, windswept county on the west coast, they are effectively the centre of Irish life any time they play. You just can't take your eyes off them.
They're a world class performance art troupe who make Philippe Petit's 1974 tightrope walk between the two towers of New York's World Trade Centre seem like a Sunday stroll down to the local corner shop to buy a newspaper and a packet of 20 Silk Cut.
They look to be in control, then they lose balance, then save themselves. But they always fall off in the end.
I'm from Dublin and even I can't take the drama.
I think I am genuinely in love with this Mayo team. They're like a beautiful alcoholic.
They break your heart time and again but you always hold out the hope they might just change. And every misdemeanour makes you love them more.
The only problem is they might turn you into an alcoholic while you hold out that hope.
I think Kerry will win the replay and put a cruel, horrible, puritanical stop to all this beautiful romantic nonsense.
Brilliant!
Mayo will beat Kerry, that Kerry team is brutal, great full forward line .Moran in Midfield, but defence is very poor, from the Kerry team of 10 years ago only Moran and Geaney would get in it
Yes Sid that is class!
A great exciting game of football. Great skill , mistakes, kicking the ball and great saves. Not many of us can put it as eloquently as Sid Waddel.
Mon the Mayo! Hic!
Jesus disappointed in Kerry today. I know Tyrone have fallen away from swashbuckling attacking plays but didn't know the old adversary had too. A team filled with spoilers now. Crowley, Murphy, Buckley, maher. Don't get me wrong they're good at their job but Jesus there different players from the 02-09 crew.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 20, 2017, 06:10:00 PM
Deegan is some gobshite of a referee, heavily favoured Kerry over the course of the game though moreso in the first half.
He likes to make the game about him, taking a minute to book a player, halting play at regular intervals for delayed periods to talk to players without actions. Laughing at players as he makes incorrect calls for them.
Every f**king year he is reffing the business end games of Champions. Enough is enough.
It is infuriating when you see him smiling at players. It sums up the standard of refereeing at inter county level putting Deegan in charge of such a big game. Was that his second or third time refereeing a Mayo championship game this year?
Nothing worse than refs smiling.
Didn't think deegan did a pile wrong. Mayo's fouling was the reason for all of the frees that I seen, he missed a couple of decisions for each team, but hard to see them all.
One umpire was horrid slow with the signalling.
Is there a age/weight requirement to be an umpire in championship matches - i.e. over 40 and at least 18 stone?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 07:30:18 PM
Best players on the field today:
Andy Moran
David Moran
Keith Higgins
In that order. Can't understand the bugging up of Donaghy performance. He was decent but certainly nowhere near as effective as the Sunday Game pundits would have you believe. Won a fair bit of easy possession though largely due to the fact that Aidan O Se has no sense of being able to man mark. I hope Rochford stops listening to David Brady and abandons that experiment next week.
Did Donaghy touch the ball in the 2nd half?
Overall Deegan wasn't too bad. A few bad decisions missing a Mayo penalty and a double hop that led to a Kerry point I think. Cormac Reilly will surely get the replay.
Deegan was ok but he didnt do Mayo any favours
Ah well he did them a favour in the semi in 2013.
Kerry are a middlin team with great forwards and seem to have an inate ability to get scores at the right time.
Mayo are a good team that can't deliver scores.
Ref was bad...it is Deegan after all but Mayo have no one else to blame as if they had the slightest composure they woulda had Kerry outta site.
Exciting but pretty poor game of football it would have to be said
Ah now conditions were fairly atrocious. I thought it was a good standard - 4-28 scored - for the day that was in it.
Favourites win replays, we had our chances today and didn't do enough. Two goals were awful
Sloppy. AOS at full back was way too much respect for Donaghy. Thought Andy, DOC and Vaughan were outstanding. Their 12 was a nightmare and Moran even with being given a free for anyone looking at him was outstanding
We've missed the boat
Very few real pure Kerry type footballers on that side. Moran at midfield is a colossus and Geaney inside are the 2 class acts and O'Donoghue on a good day is up there. Individually though very few others would get into the Kerry side of a decade ago. Functional and athletic is how I would mostly describe them.
Still think they will win the replay but I think the winner will come from next Sunday's game.
Clarke is a good keeper but a poor man for kick outs. Don't think kelly put one astray all day.
Open to correction here but did big Aiden join any attack at all through out the 70 minutes? He definitely didn't get a shot off and can't remember him doing anything inside Kerry's 45.
Donnchadh Walsh was a big loss for Kerry today protects their defence wins a lot of dirty ball. Sometimes you don't see how much those type of players are missed until they aren't there
I really don't get the Rochford abuse, last year the goalkeeper was the issue (Kickouts were not mentioned today as an issue but clearly Clarke has not a good kickout at the very top level). Mayo are not going to win an All Ireland by repeating the past. Unfortunately they have problems in a few positions that anyone here could tell you and in order to overcome this Rochford is trying to be innovative and gambling. I am not so sure AOS at full back was a disaster as some would have us believe. Mayo's full back line has looked leaky for the past few years, it was not beyond belief to think they were going to seriously struggle on Donaghy. I am not sure what Donaghy is assisting in other matches but at full forward (in position) I thought O Shea had his measure. It's only when he came out the pitch and forced O Shea to move that he did damage, maybe Mayo could have used another player out the pitch to mark Donaghy. AOS was never a defender he was there to curb the high ball in which I think he successfully did however all that did was expose Mayo further out. But I presume your U12 manager can tell you that AOS cannot be played at full back but it takes abit of balls to try it and I am not sure it was a complete disaster. I just think all in that Mayo previous full backs have been struggling and it is highly likely that Donaghy would have done a lot of damage.
Personally I think that AOS is a huge loss in the forward line but I don't think he was too bad today.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
Donnchadh Walsh was a big loss for Kerry today protects their defence wins a lot of dirty ball. Sometimes you don't see how much those type of players are missed until they aren't there
and a good man to foul out the pitch too ;D. If fit I'd expect to start ahead of Mikey Geaney in replay.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 20, 2017, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
Donnchadh Walsh was a big loss for Kerry today protects their defence wins a lot of dirty ball. Sometimes you don't see how much those type of players are missed until they aren't there
and a good man to foul out the pitch too ;D. If fit I'd expect to start ahead of Mikey Geaney in replay.
Thought Jack Savage donecwell when he came on today, enough to warrant a start the next day.
Quote from: Gael85 on August 20, 2017, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 20, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
Donnchadh Walsh was a big loss for Kerry today protects their defence wins a lot of dirty ball. Sometimes you don't see how much those type of players are missed until they aren't there
and a good man to foul out the pitch too ;D. If fit I'd expect to start ahead of Mikey Geaney in replay.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice if fit would be an improvement over Geaney.
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
Watched the minor game... some player that lad
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Tell you one thing, I don't want to hear the hurling snobs gushing about how inferior football is to hurling ever again. What a game it was the day. End to end stuff.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
They can't. Against rules.
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Don't think it's as simple as that. Donaghy was the key to Kerry's attacks v Galway. Today he had far less impact because of the whole O'Shea sideshow. Kerry rarely sought him. I think it worked, today.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Don't think it's as simple as that. Donaghy was the key to Kerry's attacks v Galway. Today he had far less impact because of the whole O'Shea sideshow. Kerry rarely sought him. I think it worked, today.
2 5 came of him.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
They can't. Against rules.
What rule is that?
Quote from: BennyCake on August 20, 2017, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
They can't. Against rules.
What rule is that?
Can't play senior anymore as a minor at county level.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Don't think it's as simple as that. Donaghy was the key to Kerry's attacks v Galway. Today he had far less impact because of the whole O'Shea sideshow. Kerry rarely sought him. I think it worked, today.
2 5 came of him.
Is the 2nd Goal AOS fault, and maybe an indication of what happens with Donaghy and the high ball
I also don't get all this stick management are getting about O Shea. What were they meant to do. Leave him be. Hope that he wouldn't do anything and the first ball he catches and sticks in the back of the net, well that when the abuse really starts rolling. So what were the options. Vaughan ? No guarantee he'd compete with Donaghy in the air and I thought Vaughan offered far more out the pitch then people are giving him credit for.
Seamie, Parsons ?. Do we really think Aiden is a better option in the middle then either of these 2. What about a sweeper. But of course this is going to effect what happens further up the pitch. So what are the options. Was Aiden really that bad at full back. I may be wrong but did Donaghy have any input in the second half. Kerrys second goal as far as I could see Donaghy was bet to the ball but it took a lucky deflection to put Moran in.
And what about all these marque forwards in the Kerry team How much from play did they score. This great full forward line that we were hearing about all week scored 5 from play. Does O Shea or management get no credit for this.
Andy Moran ran amok against Kerry in tralee in a league match this year. Fitzmaurice made no effort to try and do anythinf about this. At least Rochford looked at problems Mayo have had in the past and tried to address them.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Don't think it's as simple as that. Donaghy was the key to Kerry's attacks v Galway. Today he had far less impact because of the whole O'Shea sideshow. Kerry rarely sought him. I think it worked, today.
2 5 came of him.
If Joe Brolly said it did well then it must have
I hear Aido is injured. Played him anyhow in FB.
Fair balls to Rochford if that's true.
Kerry will win the replay handily if it's a dry day. The wet ball helped Mayo immeasurably.
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
Watching it back here. Aos won a single contest with Donaghy all day. It was a failed tactic.
Don't think it's as simple as that. Donaghy was the key to Kerry's attacks v Galway. Today he had far less impact because of the whole O'Shea sideshow. Kerry rarely sought him. I think it worked, today.
2 5 came of him.
Exactly, he had a massive impact and kept Kerry in the game. On a number of occassions Aidan was at least 10 yards behind him when Star gained possession. Surely Donaghy is not that quick or o shea that slow.
Very cynical tackle by Vaughan at the end to end the game with a very low percentage free. Fair play to him.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 20, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
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Quote from: mrdeeds on August 20, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Kerry could do worse than bring in boy wonder David Clifford the next day.
They can't. Against rules.
What rule is that?
Can't play senior anymore as a minor at county level.
Was this rule post-Patrick McBrearty?
Yeah only came in last couple years.
If 2-05 came off Donaghy you'd really have to say that AO'S cannot be Mayo's best approach, particularly when that can only blunt his impact further up the park, where he's most effective.
Oshea wasn't the marker for the second of those goals. Oshea was on the wing and 6 was on him. Also there were multiple things happened after donaghy touched it so i think it's a bit tenuous to say 2-5 came off him.
While he showed in parts he isn't a defender i do wonder if kerry would have peppered high balls in were o'shea not there.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
If 2-05 came off Donaghy you'd really have to say that AO'S cannot be Mayo's best approach, particularly when that can only blunt his impact further up the park, where he's most effective.
It's a bollocks stat. Aidan was there to stop the aeriel threat. He did that. Was he to also mark the players Donaghy laid off to for the 75 mins?
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
If 2-05 came off Donaghy you'd really have to say that AO'S cannot be Mayo's best approach, particularly when that can only blunt his impact further up the park, where he's most effective.
It's a bollocks stat. Aidan was there to stop the aeriel threat. He did that. Was he to also mark the players Donaghy laid off to for the 75 mins?
No but he was turned so easy.
The 1st goal wasn't AOS fault. *'s point was a pot shot. The other goal was from an initial poor pass out over the sideline. I don't remember the other 4 points.
AOS blocked a certain point at the end and also fielded the last ball. I think we can safely say it was a better option than Cafferkey.
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
If 2-05 came off Donaghy you'd really have to say that AO'S cannot be Mayo's best approach, particularly when that can only blunt his impact further up the park, where he's most effective.
It's a bollocks stat. Aidan was there to stop the aeriel threat. He did that. Was he to also mark the players Donaghy laid off to for the 75 mins?
He negated the aerial threat true but at the loss of aos influence out the pitch. If aos is such a influential player as Rockford or many here would expouse then how is he so easily sacrificed to plug a hole at the back.
All I'm saying is pick another big man to pick up star. Tyrone would not play Sean as a fb so they could leave the mcmahons out the field.
That was a high intensity game today with high scoring the order of the day ..... id say that was the first game of football played at a 'professional' level ...... next Sunday will be slightly different but equally as 'professional' really looking forward to it, though I'm struggling to get a ticket ..... the Traditional 'amateur Club football and the Current 'top tier' professional County teams are miles apart ..... where is it going - where are we going !!!!!!
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Agreed, it would seem that Rochford is attempting something similar to Cormac Mc Anallen's FB conversion in 2003, but that's a huge risk, they're very different players.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Ga50bpx54
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Ara fcukit. Is that what's been holding us back all these years.
Sound so Joe Brolly and all his internet followers are 100% right and the next day Kieran Donaghy should be given free run of croke park.
Now. Will that do it. Now we agree with you will that win us the All Ireland
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Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Ara fcukit. Is that what's been holding us back all these years.
Sound so Joe Brolly and all his internet followers are 100% right and the next day Kieran Donaghy should be given free run of croke park.
Now. Will that do it. Now we agree with you will that win us the All Ireland
A glib response maybe, but square pegs in round holes will always cause problems. :)
It's not so much as O'Shea was destroyed by Donaghy, it was the fact that Mayo were removing one of their main players out of the game to mark Donaghy and given the fact Donaghy was so heavily involved for Kerry I don't think it worked.
I though the subs were poor. I really don't see what Stephen Coen offers Mayo, surely there are some better players playing club football in Mayo that would improve the current options on the bench?
Any Mayo supporter who didn't know AOS couldn't play FB based on his marking, lack of turning mobility and tackling at every grade the past ten years - I'm just sorry for you, no insults, just pity.
If he starts there against on Saturday it will probably be the losing of the game for Mayo. Today it was the difference between a comfortable win and a draw. Rochford must be getting tactical advice from David Brady..
There were lots of head scratching when Colm Boyle was called ashore too as he is usually a man with lots of running in him and he could have picked holes at the death. (I was watching out of the house so didn't hear post match chats. Was he inhured?)
Even if there is an argument over Donaghy´s hand in 2-5 surely there can be no argument in that sacrificing one of your most influential players to become a stopper doesn't make sense. A bit like putting Keegan so deep in defence previously you lose too much.
Maybe Kerry decided not to kick long with him there but surely the more limited Seamie would have provided bulk inside too?
Felt so sorry for Andy Moran. The man has serious movement and never stops making intelligent runs.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:50:53 PM
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Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Ara fcukit. Is that what's been holding us back all these years.
Sound so Joe Brolly and all his internet followers are 100% right and the next day Kieran Donaghy should be given free run of croke park.
Now. Will that do it. Now we agree with you will that win us the All Ireland
A glib response maybe, but square pegs in round holes will always cause problems. :)
True that. But when you don't have a round peg for the round hole you have to try something different.
All week the experts have spoke about Donaghy. All week we are listening about the trouble he could cause Mayo if he is not dealt with. We try something to deal with his aerial threat and end up keeping this dream full forward line to 5 points from play and yet to hear some if the comment you would swear it was an absolute disaster.
Of course everyone can have an opinion about how much it worked or it didn't but to see some amadan more i
Or less say that a mayo person disagreeing with him is the reason they haven't won an all Ireland is just ridiculous.
Donnie Vaughan was Mayos man of the match in last years all Ireland final. He was phenomenal against the rossies the last day. Was he a better option to mark Donaghy ?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Agreed, it would seem that Rochford is attempting something similar to Cormac Mc Anallen's FB conversion in 2003, but that's a huge risk, they're very different players.
He didn't, and people aren't getting this. He wasn't employed to play a position. He was asked to mark a player.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...
We're some craic
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Agreed, it would seem that Rochford is attempting something similar to Cormac Mc Anallen's FB conversion in 2003, but that's a huge risk, they're very different players.
He didn't, and people aren't getting this. He wasn't employed to play a position. He was asked to mark a player.
+0.875
Kerry have serious questions to answer the next day.
Quote from: hardstation on August 20, 2017, 11:20:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 20, 2017, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 20, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 10:19:03 PM
O'Shea was not a complete failure at fb but he is not a natural defender. There's bound to be a big man in that team with can jump and follow a forward around the park. Aos let him go unmarked on about 10 occasions in that game.
Mayo folk need to lose the snowflake attitude to criticism if they're to win an all Ireland. You can be sure that there's a very honest and fairly brutal appraisal of Kerry tactics in the kingdom tonight.
Agreed, it would seem that Rochford is attempting something similar to Cormac Mc Anallen's FB conversion in 2003, but that's a huge risk, they're very different players.
He didn't, and people aren't getting this. He wasn't employed to play a position. He was asked to mark a player.
He was employed to play a position in order to mark a player.
So what does Aidan McCrory do?
AOS spent half his time marking space. The same space a FB marks. This clutching at ridiculous straws needs to stop. Bad decision, bad result, bad manager.
A player who only scored a point, is that not Job done?, who was picking up Moran was he was coming through, that's who at fault for the 1st goal, 2nd Goal the Keeper or mayo player kicked out to o Shea on the wing, it went over the side, the quick ball in was laid off by Donaghy, i put that one on the purveyor of the bad pass, he wasn't as bad as people here make out, Fullback a specialist position and would take a year plus to fill in a proper full back. Expect Aidan O`Shea at midfield the next day with his brother or Parson at full back. What happened kevin keane who was the back up full back?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 20, 2017, 11:27:08 PM
A player who only scored a point, is that not Job done?, who was picking up Moran was he was coming through, that's who at fault for the 1st goal, 2nd Goal the Keeper or mayo player kicked out to o Shea on the wing, it went over the side, the quick ball in was laid off by Donaghy, i put that one on the purveyor of the bad pass, he wasn't as bad as people here make out, Fullback a specialist position and would take a year plus to fill in a proper full back. Expect Aidan O`Shea at midfield the next day with his brother or Parson at full back. What happened kevin keane who was the back up full back?
ACL injury for his club in Jan.
People are obsessing too much about Donaghy. He is an average inter county footballer on the ground but is a huge aerial threat. Plenty of people thought he was done 2 years ago and yet he is being talked up as some sort of modern day phenomenon. I don't get it. He only played decently today because he had nobody marking him when low ball was played in. I think Mayo can get far too hung up on Donaghy to the detriment of other areas of the pitch.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 20, 2017, 11:27:08 PM
A player who only scored a point, is that not Job done?, who was picking up Moran was he was coming through, that's who at fault for the 1st goal, 2nd Goal the Keeper or mayo player kicked out to o Shea on the wing, it went over the side, the quick ball in was laid off by Donaghy, i put that one on the purveyor of the bad pass, he wasn't as bad as people here make out, Fullback a specialist position and would take a year plus to fill in a proper full back. Expect Aidan O`Shea at midfield the next day with his brother or Parson at full back. What happened kevin keane who was the back up full back?
He was far too loose on Donaghy for the 1st goal and he completely misjudged the flight of the ball that went out for a sideline. It wasn't a bad pass - he messed it up and that created the opportunity which kerry took. Small margins but it is an AI semi final. Full back is far too crucial a position to be putting someone in who doesn't know how to play it
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
People are obsessing too much about Donaghy. He is an average inter county footballer on the ground but is a huge aerial threat. Plenty of people thought he was done 2 years ago and yet he is being talked up as some sort of modern day phenomenon. I don't get it. He only played decently today because he had nobody marking him when low ball was played in. I think Mayo can get far too hung up on Donaghy to the detriment of other areas of the pitch.
He's a handful and causes panic. Whether you rate him or not he did a lot of damage today
Just reading Johnny Doyle's piece on the 42,ie and he pointed that O'Connor didn't have as much frees to swing over. He points that AOS tends to often be fouled as the only means to stop him.
If that's the case even if he wasn't directing play you are losing on him drawing frees that tend to be converted.
Honestly can a Mayo person answer if Seamie would not have been a better option considering you lose less from sticking him in there?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
People are obsessing too much about Donaghy. He is an average inter county footballer on the ground but is a huge aerial threat. Plenty of people thought he was done 2 years ago and yet he is being talked up as some sort of modern day phenomenon. I don't get it. He only played decently today because he had nobody marking him when low ball was played in. I think Mayo can get far too hung up on Donaghy to the detriment of other areas of the pitch.
Donaghys not that good you're right. A blunt instrument. So employ another blunt instrument to negate him. Don't throw one of your main attacking fulcrums at the back when a midfielder would do.
It's the equivalent of sacrificing your queen to capture a knight in chess.
Quote from: trileacman on August 20, 2017, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 20, 2017, 11:34:54 PM
People are obsessing too much about Donaghy. He is an average inter county footballer on the ground but is a huge aerial threat. Plenty of people thought he was done 2 years ago and yet he is being talked up as some sort of modern day phenomenon. I don't get it. He only played decently today because he had nobody marking him when low ball was played in. I think Mayo can get far too hung up on Donaghy to the detriment of other areas of the pitch.
Donaghys not that good you're right. A blunt instrument. So employ another blunt instrument to negate him. Don't throw one of your main attacking fulcrums at the back when a midfielder would do.
It's the equivalent of sacrificing your queen to capture a knight in chess.
Thats a load of bollocks in fairness, Donaghy has been excellent this year and you need to man mark him, you put your best option on him no matter the position if you are Mayo and adjust accordingly depending on how the game is going.
Has a team ever drawn 4 games against 4 different teams in one championship season before? I must admit a growing admiration for the resilience of this Mayo team.
But was Mayo's best option a lad who has never played FB, who has been one of the main influences for the team all year??
His brother is much more of a mucker to throw back there.
Donaghy directly contributed to 2-3. a further point occured when he was involved in the build up passing move. Another when he balooned his shot in the 69th minute and Kerry scored from the break.
He destroyed O'se - no doubt about it. O se I think only once was within touching distance when KD received it. For the first goal AOS is not within an asses roar - Higgins is closer but no tackle goes in on Donaghy and he sets up the goal even running on for the return pass to finish himself but he s not needed. AOS is as effective as a bollard in the same position.
For goal 2- its typical of the threat. Firstly a pass out to AOS on the wing which was not as bad as some are saying - he appears to be way to casual and certainly it would have been possible to win that ball. In any case the ball goes in . SOS actually breaks it but od course its nigh on impossible to break the ball of Donaghy with any accuracy and Kerry runners ensure they goal here.
How anyone could say it was anything other than a daft decision for AOS to pick himself Rochford to pick AOS at fullback is beyond me. As said earlier the weather would have meant fewer long ball opportunities, Vaughan I think would have negated and probably stopped the first goal and a couple of the points.
There were also another couple of opportunities set up by Donaghy as well as a poor enough wide from himself.
Its actually stunning how much space and time Donaghy had on the ball - that would not happen against the Dubs or Tyrone.
I had said somewhere earlier in the year that Conor O`Shea should been tried at full back, but he seems well down the list, doesn't even come off the bench anymore
I don't know how anyone can attribute two goals to Donaghy. For the second goal, Donaghy comes for the ball but Swamie knocks it away from him. Unfortunately/fortunately the ball falls into Moran's hands and it is his work that creates the goal scored by Buckley.
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I don't know how anyone can attribute two goals to Donaghy.
On the gaaboard you can.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 20, 2017, 11:48:37 PM
Just reading Johnny Doyle's piece on the 42,ie and he pointed that O'Connor didn't have as much frees to swing over. He points that AOS tends to often be fouled as the only means to stop him.
If that's the case even if he wasn't directing play you are losing on him drawing frees that tend to be converted.
Honestly can a Mayo person answer if Seamie would not have been a better option considering you lose less from sticking him in there?
I was thinking the same myself overall you'd have to say it was a v strange decision. Not sure if it worked. The media obsession with Donaghy is bizaare, put a big man on him, get in his face, break the high ball, he's easy enough to put off his game and doesnt adpat well, he thrives on confidence dont give him any.... 08final was the template, not difficult. Mayo have managed to revive his career by not adjusting for him in '14 and now by putting their talisman on him.
For all the huffing & puffing ref tactics, Mayo are still in it and live to fight another day.
I read a lot of the comments last night. Regarding the fullback conundrum, I was more than surprised to see AOS back there. I didn't work in my opinion as he stood off Donaghy too much. I can understand ONeill's opinion of O'Shea negating the high ball in on top of Donaghy influence though. I maintain that O'Shea should be midfield, period.
Clarke was poor on kickouts imo yesterday. Kerry pressed up well on them so I could be harsh on him. The other backs did well enough. 2-14 conceded probably tells another story however. One thing I cannot understand is the persistent substituting of Colm Boyle. I just can't get my head around it. I thought he was one of the better performers we had yesterday. Keegan wasn't influential either. Maybe the illness/injury took a bit out of him.
Midfield was always going to be a battle. Thought we did well enough there. But how we missed AOS in that department. He has to start there the next day.
The half forwards didn't do much apart from Doherty in the first half imo. McLoughlin got on a lot of ball but he should have done more with it in scoring positions (I.e. score). Diarmuid O'Connor wasn't at the races I thought. Could have been taken off earlier. Andy Moran more than made up for them. 1-5 from play. Amazing from a man in the twilight of his years in a Mayo jersey. He's playing the best football of his life at the minute! Cillian was ok. Missed a sitter of a free early on. Fine margins and all that.
Rochford's continuing 'seeing something' in Drake which most others don't is quite worrying. He's not the man to put on to get a score. Loftus should have been brought on in his stead at the time for DOC. Agree with Bomber about Coen. He sadly hasn't lived up to his potential yet and I think Nally would be a better option than him.
I knew Kerry's defence was poor, but I never realised how bad the full back line were. I hope Mayo haven't missed the boat. Sadly though I think they have. In saying that no team deserved to lose it given the conditions yesterday. Up Mayo.
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
It's bad when you're lusting after Barry John Keane. Against every big team but Mayo he's the game-loser-in-chief for Kerry.
Nally's nothing special, at least not yet. Even Drake scored against us that day so him scoring then is hardly worth noting. Ye don't have much of a bench no matter who comes on, it's as simple as that.
Who would be a Mayo supporter? They were 5/6 points the better team yesterday and still nearly managed to lost it.
If Mayo do win the replay I'd still expect them to lose the high-lights on the Sunday Game.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
100%.
Its so frustrating this ridiculous line hes taken with the subs , its all about not going for it , safety is why weve had all these draws.
Loftus should be.on the pitch way earlier everytime and.tbh I wouldnt mind.see him.starting.
Nally should be on before coen and.drake unless we are 8 points or so.up.Kirby also
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Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
It's bad when you're lusting after Barry John Keane. Against every big team but Mayo he's the game-loser-in-chief for Kerry.
Nally's nothing special, at least not yet. Even Drake scored against us that day so him scoring then is hardly worth noting. Ye don't have much of a bench no matter who comes on, it's as simple as that.
I'd back Loftus in the pocket over all day long is what I'm saying. I know Coen was on for SOS so it's not like.
Another thing, Coen/Parsons miscommunication on which midfielder to tag on a Kerry kick out cost us....allowed a uncontested mark and Kerry a handy score from that possession.
It's a bit of a curate's egg, the O'Shea - Donaghy thing. Mayo were obviously petrified of the high diagonal ball, with Geaney and O'Donoghue living off the scraps. From that perspective Aidan O'Shea could be said to have done what he was supposed to do, in that Kerry just didn't bother playing that ball at all with him in there, and the one ballooned ball was won by O'Shea.
However, Donaghy was instrumental in a lot of Kerry moves, and if you were to ask simply who got the better of the battle, it was Donaghy. We all know he's not the most graceful or the quickest, but he showed he can peel off his man, and make decent runs. O'Shea just didn't know what to do with him. And Donaghy scored a point, set up at least 1-2 or 1-3, and generally seemed to be pulling the strings for Kerry.
So it boils down to this if you are Stephen Rochford.
Do you commit to the same plan knowing that a) You are your own man, who has been in great form, out of the game as an attacking threat in order to negate the high ball to Donaghy, b) Knowing that O'Shea can't 'mark' him as a traditional full back and c) Knowing now that Kerry expect it, and did reasonably well against it even when they didn't expect it, or know for sure?
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 08:53:39 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
It's bad when you're lusting after Barry John Keane. Against every big team but Mayo he's the game-loser-in-chief for Kerry.
Nally's nothing special, at least not yet. Even Drake scored against us that day so him scoring then is hardly worth noting. Ye don't have much of a bench no matter who comes on, it's as simple as that.
I'd back Loftus in the pocket over all day long is what I'm saying. I know Coen was on for SOS so it's not like.
Another thing, Coen/Parsons miscommunication on which midfielder to tag on a Kerry kick out cost us....allowed a uncontested mark and Kerry a handy score from that possession.
I forgot about Loftus, though he probably should be starting and someone like Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor should be on the bench. Durcan is a funny case too. Probably a starter most days but Rochford prefers Barrett because he's more disciplined defending.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
It's a bit of a curate's egg, the O'Shea - Donaghy thing. Mayo were obviously petrified of the high diagonal ball, with Geaney and O'Donoghue living off the scraps. From that perspective Aidan O'Shea could be said to have done what he was supposed to do, in that Kerry just didn't bother playing that ball at all with him in there, and the one ballooned ball was won by O'Shea.
However, Donaghy was instrumental in a lot of Kerry moves, and if you were to ask simply who got the better of the battle, it was Donaghy. We all know he's not the most graceful or the quickest, but he showed he can peel off his man, and make decent runs. O'Shea just didn't know what to do with him. And Donaghy scored a point, set up at least 1-2 or 1-3, and generally seemed to be pulling the strings for Kerry.
So it boils down to this if you are Stephen Rochford.
Do you commit to the same plan knowing that a) You are your own man, who has been in great form, out of the game as an attacking threat in order to negate the high ball to Donaghy, b) Knowing that O'Shea can't 'mark' him as a traditional full back and c) Knowing now that Kerry expect it, and did reasonably well against it even when they didn't expect it, or know for sure?
He has to stick with it. It's impossible to know if it worked or not. Only a series of games could tell you that.
Putting O'Shea in for the specific reason to mark Donaghey shows lack of faith in Mayo defenders. It's too late now, that has happened.
Changing it back is an admission of tactical failure and will do nothing to restore that lost faith. All Kerry need to do is have their many pundits talk and write about this all week. How Rotchford lost the tactical battle and how he should fix it. Really go to town talking about it. if they can instill a lack of faith in Rotchford's tactical decisions (right or wrong) it will give Kerry and advantage.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
It's a bit of a curate's egg, the O'Shea - Donaghy thing. Mayo were obviously petrified of the high diagonal ball, with Geaney and O'Donoghue living off the scraps. From that perspective Aidan O'Shea could be said to have done what he was supposed to do, in that Kerry just didn't bother playing that ball at all with him in there, and the one ballooned ball was won by O'Shea.
However, Donaghy was instrumental in a lot of Kerry moves, and if you were to ask simply who got the better of the battle, it was Donaghy. We all know he's not the most graceful or the quickest, but he showed he can peel off his man, and make decent runs. O'Shea just didn't know what to do with him. And Donaghy scored a point, set up at least 1-2 or 1-3, and generally seemed to be pulling the strings for Kerry.
So it boils down to this if you are Stephen Rochford.
Do you commit to the same plan knowing that a) You are your own man, who has been in great form, out of the game as an attacking threat in order to negate the high ball to Donaghy, b) Knowing that O'Shea can't 'mark' him as a traditional full back and c) Knowing now that Kerry expect it, and did reasonably well against it even when they didn't expect it, or know for sure?
He has to stick with it. It's impossible to know if it worked or not. Only a series of games could tell you that.
Putting O'Shea in for the specific reason to mark Donaghey shows lack of faith in Mayo defenders. It's too late now, that has happened.
Changing it back is an admission of tactical failure and will do nothing to restore that lost faith. All Kerry need to do is have their many pundits talk and write about this all week. How Rotchford lost the tactical battle and how he should fix it. Really go to town talking about it. if they can instill a lack of faith in Rotchford's tactical decisions (right or wrong) it will give Kerry and advantage.
No, it's not.
Most people who have watched AOS regularly could have told you exactly what was going to transpire if you played him as a full back.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 09:46:37 AM
Not, it's not.
Most people who have watched AOS regularly could have told you exactly what was going to transpire if you played him as a full back.
What did transpire?
val, if that was Joe Bloggs versus John Doe, you'd say the full forward comfortably got the better of the full back.
And given that the full back has been an instrumental player for the team in an attacking sense this year, you'd have to question if it's worth it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 09:53:27 AM
val, if that was Joe Bloggs versus John Doe, you'd say the full forward comfortably got the better of the full back.
And given that the full back has been an instrumental player for the team in an attacking sense this year, you'd have to question if it's worth it.
True. I think Kerry responded well with the tactical change. Rotchford could do nothing about kerry's response to the change. I think Mayo play with fear. With 20 mins to go they should have pulled AoS back out to at least make us believe they wanted to go win it. Instead the fear of losing dominated the decision making.
Rambling thoughts .....
Leeroy was burning oil in that game. With about 10 minutes to go, Kerry had a kickout and Paul Murphy was 50 yards away from Leeroy. Keeper was rushing out with the ball intent on kicking the ball to Murphy. Leeroy knew what was about to happen and was trying to close the ground ...... but his top pace at the stage was only half-pace. That infection has affecetd him more than we realise i suspect. Hopefully, yesterday was the pipe cleaner he needed.
Boyler .... re-watching the game last night, there was a section at ~20 minutes when Mayo dispossessed Kerry and Boyler was standing with his 2 hands behind his behind - bollixed. The man goes at a million miles an hour and doesn't pace himself at all. The Duracell bunny wouldn't have been able to keep going at his pace. People may mock the idea of him being subbed based on stats and metrics being taken from him in real time but we have to trust it. Incidentally, while Aidan got the abuse for Kerrys first goal, wasn't it Boylers man that actually scored it ?
Clarke .... i said it after the Dublin league game this year that we won't with the All-Ireland with him (his restarts) but we won't win it without him either (his shot stopping and presence being the best in the history of the game with nobody waiting in the wings even close to that standard). I think finally people may be coming to understand the logic of playing Hennelly in the replay last year .... with the problem being as we know that Hennelly failed to perform to his normal standards.
Jason Doherty .... what an unsung hero of this team. He was simply superb yesterday. He showed for ball after ball and won every one of them. Not one single handling error - an incredible stat. When a team don't play a sweeper against us, then he is the man that makes the full forward line tick. He had a bigger impact and contribution on the game that Donaghy did for Kerry.
How will Kerry protect their full back line the next day ? While all the Sunday Game pundits highlighted that Kerry packed the middle third to counter the Mayo running game (a success for them albeit exposing their full back line) and that they need to employ a sweeper or some more support for their FB line for the replay .... the obvious side effect of that change for them is that it plays back into the hands of Mayos power-running game. Will be intriguing
i have never rd some much shite on one tiopic in all my life . kerry went into yesterdays game hot favorite and end ed up lucky to get a draw so whats the discussion .
All the things that mayo did wrong .
does no one have a bit of perspective on this . Kerry have have every bit as much more soul searching to do this week as mayo .
ii mayo had won yesterday would fitmaurice have been in trouble , of course not but even with a draw i feel a lot of mayo fans would not object to Rochford getting the boot midweek (reductio ad absurdum of course)
very good post Blast and your points about Jason Doc are excellent .Very under rated player who always contributes.Keegan did not look himself yesterday but still had about 4 shots on goal and was fouled for Cillians only free.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 21, 2017, 11:18:29 AM
i have never rd some much shite on one tiopic in all my life . kerry went into yesterdays game hot favorite and end ed up lucky to get a draw so whats the discussion .
All the things that mayo did wrong .
does no one have a bit of perspective on this . Kerry have have every bit as much more soul searching to do this week as mayo .
ii mayo had won yesterday would fitmaurice have been in trouble , of course not but even with a draw i feel a lot of mayo fans would not object to Rochford getting the boot midweek (reductio ad absurdum of course)
The stacked kerry media decide the debate.
Very unfair headline in the Sindo this morning about lions being led by donkeys.Article written by Eamonn Sweeny who usually is good but this is way below the belt.
Without a doubt Clarkie's kickouts were a bit ropey yesterday. But it struck me that there appeared to have been no understanding between the goalie and those around the middle third. There are two sides to every story and maybe here Clarke isn't the only one at fault. On some short kickouts, the receiver reacted slowly as if he wasn't expecting the ball to come in his direction and on long ones the problem was even worse. Shouldn't it be possible to have some sort of code devised so that those outfield would know in advance what Clarke intended doing?
There was little or no sign of any system being used yesterday
Another thing, there is no law that says that the goalkeeper must take every kickout.
Time was not so long ago that some back, usually one of the cornerbacks, was the one to do so.
You won't win anything without Clarke in goal but it might be very hard to win also unless the quality of the kickouts improve.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 21, 2017, 07:57:36 AM
Shane Nally excellent during the league, canon of a left peg off the bench vs Roscommon.
Coen/Drake are not shooters when the pressure is on, contrast Coens attempt to Barry John Keane down the other end. Very frustrating substitutions.
Could not agree more.
Coen may eventually end up full back, but not a guy you want with the ball anywhere near the opposing goal. Just too flat footed with no dummy in his arsenal.
I just mentioned to someone last night that if Regan or Loftus got that ball at that stage of the game v a tired back it could have easily ended up un the net.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
I read a lot of the comments last night. Regarding the fullback conundrum, I was more than surprised to see AOS back there. I didn't work in my opinion as he stood off Donaghy too much. I can understand ONeill's opinion of O'Shea negating the high ball in on top of Donaghy influence though. I maintain that O'Shea should be midfield, period.
Clarke was poor on kickouts imo yesterday. Kerry pressed up well on them so I could be harsh on him. The other backs did well enough. 2-14 conceded probably tells another story however. One thing I cannot understand is the persistent substituting of Colm Boyle. I just can't get my head around it. I thought he was one of the better performers we had yesterday. Keegan wasn't influential either. Maybe the illness/injury took a bit out of him.
Midfield was always going to be a battle. Thought we did well enough there. But how we missed AOS in that department. He has to start there the next day.
The half forwards didn't do much apart from Doherty in the first half imo. McLoughlin got on a lot of ball but he should have done more with it in scoring positions (I.e. score). Diarmuid O'Connor wasn't at the races I thought. Could have been taken off earlier. Andy Moran more than made up for them. 1-5 from play. Amazing from a man in the twilight of his years in a Mayo jersey. He's playing the best football of his life at the minute! Cillian was ok. Missed a sitter of a free early on. Fine margins and all that.
Rochford's continuing 'seeing something' in Drake which most others don't is quite worrying. He's not the man to put on to get a score. Loftus should have been brought on in his stead at the time for DOC. Agree with Bomber about Coen. He sadly hasn't lived up to his potential yet and I think Nally would be a better option than him.
I knew Kerry's defence was poor, but I never realised how bad the full back line were. I hope Mayo haven't missed the boat. Sadly though I think they have. In saying that no team deserved to lose it given the conditions yesterday. Up Mayo.
Farr, Boyler was blowing black smoke coming up to HT, at one stage Harrison had the ball and Boyler told him to pass it across the goal to Higgins rather than come up their wing
I also heard from reliable Westport people that Keegan was sick the last couple of days
Syf, are you really suggesting Doherty should be dropped? Outstanding yesterday again, what does the lad have to do
Quote from: maigheo on August 21, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Very unfair headline in the Sindo this morning about lions being led by donkeys.Article written by Eamonn Sweeny who usually is good but this is way below the belt.
Agreed. Poor article. It wasn't just the headline, he used the same terminology in the main piece.
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
I read a lot of the comments last night. Regarding the fullback conundrum, I was more than surprised to see AOS back there. I didn't work in my opinion as he stood off Donaghy too much. I can understand ONeill's opinion of O'Shea negating the high ball in on top of Donaghy influence though. I maintain that O'Shea should be midfield, period.
Clarke was poor on kickouts imo yesterday. Kerry pressed up well on them so I could be harsh on him. The other backs did well enough. 2-14 conceded probably tells another story however. One thing I cannot understand is the persistent substituting of Colm Boyle. I just can't get my head around it. I thought he was one of the better performers we had yesterday. Keegan wasn't influential either. Maybe the illness/injury took a bit out of him.
Midfield was always going to be a battle. Thought we did well enough there. But how we missed AOS in that department. He has to start there the next day.
The half forwards didn't do much apart from Doherty in the first half imo. McLoughlin got on a lot of ball but he should have done more with it in scoring positions (I.e. score). Diarmuid O'Connor wasn't at the races I thought. Could have been taken off earlier. Andy Moran more than made up for them. 1-5 from play. Amazing from a man in the twilight of his years in a Mayo jersey. He's playing the best football of his life at the minute! Cillian was ok. Missed a sitter of a free early on. Fine margins and all that.
Rochford's continuing 'seeing something' in Drake which most others don't is quite worrying. He's not the man to put on to get a score. Loftus should have been brought on in his stead at the time for DOC. Agree with Bomber about Coen. He sadly hasn't lived up to his potential yet and I think Nally would be a better option than him.
I knew Kerry's defence was poor, but I never realised how bad the full back line were. I hope Mayo haven't missed the boat. Sadly though I think they have. In saying that no team deserved to lose it given the conditions yesterday. Up Mayo.
Farr, Boyler was blowing black smoke coming up to HT, at one stage Harrison had the ball and Boyler told him to pass it across the goal to Higgins rather than come up their wing
I also heard from reliable Westport people that Keegan was sick the last couple of days
Syf, are you really suggesting Doherty should be dropped? Outstanding yesterday again, what does the lad have to do
that's more a sign of recovery from another gut busting run. Boyle was immense yesterday, a real warrior and leader on the pitch. I was surprised that he was left on the entire game inc et against Derry in Castlebar as he usually is brought off between 50-60 mins
Quote from: shark on August 21, 2017, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: maigheo on August 21, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Very unfair headline in the Sindo this morning about lions being led by donkeys.Article written by Eamonn Sweeny who usually is good but this is way below the belt.
Agreed. Poor article. It wasn't just the headline, he used the same terminology in the main piece.
Agree really disgraceful from someone who I thought was a decent writer.
Did the Mayo back room team make some mistakes, yes but to call Donie Buckley a donkey, or Mcentee or Rochford is just wrong. If he has any balls he would apologize.
As in " I went over board with my criticism"
Just read both the Irish times and independent, a lot of lazy one sided comments on the placement of Aiden o Shea on square and all Donahey did. clerkin the bandleader in the times.
He attributed Donaghy to being directly involved in 2-5 and oh btw it was all AOS fault. Pure Bullshit lazy reporting.
First goal was a turnover by Seamus o Shea's around 60 yards from Mayo goal. Donaghy who had been tracking back to tackle gets the ensuing ball. Aiden o Shea stayed on the Mayo 21 yard line as he should have as Mayo had the ball and were attacking. Was that goal his fault definitely not.
Second goal was caused by AOS not either judging a pass properly or not allowing for the greasy surface. It was not because he was full back, it happens on the 50 by then Cusack stand.
The ball was kicked in Seamus o Shea out jumped Donaghy and it happened to break to David Moran, who showed an excellent dummy to Boyle and we know what happened next.
I don't have the time to go and argue the 5pts that he said Donaghy was responsible for, it was more like 3pts.
IMO the experiment worked in the first half as, Mayo did not give up many scores due to the anticipated Ariel bombardment, in addition they controlled the middle third, so much so that Anthony Maher was removed at half-time.
Could he have been brought out in second half , maybe.
I also heard last night that AOS had the flu during the week. Could not verify that.
I have a bigger issue with Rochfords substitutions as in Coen and Drake. As opposed to Loftus and Regan (the latter was not on the 26).
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 21, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 21, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
I read a lot of the comments last night. Regarding the fullback conundrum, I was more than surprised to see AOS back there. I didn't work in my opinion as he stood off Donaghy too much. I can understand ONeill's opinion of O'Shea negating the high ball in on top of Donaghy influence though. I maintain that O'Shea should be midfield, period.
Clarke was poor on kickouts imo yesterday. Kerry pressed up well on them so I could be harsh on him. The other backs did well enough. 2-14 conceded probably tells another story however. One thing I cannot understand is the persistent substituting of Colm Boyle. I just can't get my head around it. I thought he was one of the better performers we had yesterday. Keegan wasn't influential either. Maybe the illness/injury took a bit out of him.
Midfield was always going to be a battle. Thought we did well enough there. But how we missed AOS in that department. He has to start there the next day.
The half forwards didn't do much apart from Doherty in the first half imo. McLoughlin got on a lot of ball but he should have done more with it in scoring positions (I.e. score). Diarmuid O'Connor wasn't at the races I thought. Could have been taken off earlier. Andy Moran more than made up for them. 1-5 from play. Amazing from a man in the twilight of his years in a Mayo jersey. He's playing the best football of his life at the minute! Cillian was ok. Missed a sitter of a free early on. Fine margins and all that.
Rochford's continuing 'seeing something' in Drake which most others don't is quite worrying. He's not the man to put on to get a score. Loftus should have been brought on in his stead at the time for DOC. Agree with Bomber about Coen. He sadly hasn't lived up to his potential yet and I think Nally would be a better option than him.
I knew Kerry's defence was poor, but I never realised how bad the full back line were. I hope Mayo haven't missed the boat. Sadly though I think they have. In saying that no team deserved to lose it given the conditions yesterday. Up Mayo.
Farr, Boyler was blowing black smoke coming up to HT, at one stage Harrison had the ball and Boyler told him to pass it across the goal to Higgins rather than come up their wing
I also heard from reliable Westport people that Keegan was sick the last couple of days
Syf, are you really suggesting Doherty should be dropped? Outstanding yesterday again, what does the lad have to do
Not really, but if you want to make room for Loftus it's not going to be COC (in poor form in general this year, but will remain for his frees if nothing more), Moran, McLouglin or AOS (he was named at 11..) so the options for a switch would be Doherty and Diarmuid O'Connor, whose main roles are as workhorse linkmen. Doherty is playing better than O'Connor, whose form has been questionable for the bones of two years now and is prone to very poor fouls as well. But we've seen in the past that Mayo managers have seen Doherty as expendable in the past so were his form to dip it's not an unimaginable change.
Sweeney is usually a very good writer but that comment calling the Mayo management donkeys is a disgrace. You can disagree with their decisions but that terminology was uncalled for.
QuoteI also heard from reliable Westport people that Keegan was sick the last couple of days
I heard that before the match also.
I thought that putting O'Shea to fb worked out ok for Mayo.
Firstly it negated the high ball into Donaghy on the square. Donaghy getting the ball 40 yards out on the wing is a completely different proposition to him getting the ball on the edge of the small square. The first goal was a result of S O'Shea sleeping on the ball and getting turned over, 2 or 3 Mayo players made no effort to get back with O'Brien leaving Aidan exposed. I definitely wouldn't blame him for that goal. His poor effort to stop the ball going over the line prior to the 2nd goal was a pure joke, lazy big ++++. Nothing to do with being fb tho.
Secondly I think Aidan O'Shea gets a lot of possession in most games but is is far too slow to move the ball, his default setting is a solo, maybe 2 and then a 3rd with his right foot before looking to part the ball, I feel it's no coincidence that Mayo tore Kerry apart with fast first time ball and lots of running support when he wasn't there to slow it down.
Sorry forgot to say that these were 2 relatively well matched teams playing in poor conditions who produced a real humdinger of a game that I thoroughly enjoyed.
Yet it appears that both of these teams are managed by complete fools, according to journalistic luminaries such as Joe.ie, social media like Gaaboard and numerous commentators in MS media.
Thought AOS did ok at FB as well. I wouldn't go with that option myself but for those tearing into management what would be your alternative? If Kerry got two goals off high balls into Donaghy with a different marker AOS would have to have done a hell of a lot out at midfield to justify putting someone else on Donaghy.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the theory that Kerry have more scope from improvement. I think Mayo are very likely to do what they did to a lot of Kerry players again this Saturday and have players like Keegan, AOS, DOC and COC who can do better. The problem for Mayo is they don't have enough scoring forwards and no real impact subs.
For the replay I think they need to have AOS in the middle 8 and find a way to start Durcan. I think I'd put Vaughan to FB with Harrison and Barrett either side, Keegan, Boyle, Durcan in the HB line, SOS and Parsons at midfield, Doherty, AOS and McLoughlin in the HF line with COC, Moran and Higgins in the FF line with Higgins playing as an attacking sweeper. If Higgins was sweeping in front of a high ball into Donaghy I think they could deal with him even if he actually won more of those balls than he would against AOS. It would also give Mayo 4 strike runners from deep, Higgins and all the HB line.
You can't set up in a way that guarantees you'll win but I think Mayo are good enough that they should be more concerned about how they get their best players on the front foot rather than worrying too much about their opponents.
I know it's revolutionary Zulu, but I'd put a fûcking back at FB.
Quote from: maigheo on August 21, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Very unfair headline in the Sindo this morning about lions being led by donkeys.Article written by Eamonn Sweeny who usually is good but this is way below the belt.
I doubt Sweeney wrote the headline. Usually some sub editor does that. I saw it and thought it was very unfair too.
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 01:20:19 PM
Quote from: maigheo on August 21, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Very unfair headline in the Sindo this morning about lions being led by donkeys.Article written by Eamonn Sweeny who usually is good but this is way below the belt.
I doubt Sweeney wrote the headline. Usually some sub editor does that. I saw it and thought it was very unfair too.
I also thought that but the last line in the article says the same thing.He had a fair go at the players after the H and C fiasco ,basically calling them losers so surprised to see him go the other way.Would have expected this article from Brehony and his ilk but not from Sweeney
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
AOS isn't a back, period. Vaughan is more suited than Ger Caff to marking Donaghy. You've going to have the likes of Higgins and Harrison providing cover anyways.
If Rochford was obsessed with over-thinking it and putting a midfielder back there, at least SOS has a higher work-rate than his brother.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
AOS isn't a back, period. Vaughan is more suited than Ger Caff to marking Donaghy. You've going to have the likes of Higgins and Harrison providing cover anyways.
If Rochford was obsessed with over-thinking it and putting a midfielder back there, at least SOS has a higher work-rate than his brother.
SOS very poor yesterday IMO.
Consistently inconsistent.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
Vaughan's a big enough man himself and has been excellent the last couple of games...he's a shoe in to pick up Donaghy on Sat imo
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
AOS isn't a back, period. Vaughan is more suited than Ger Caff to marking Donaghy. You've going to have the likes of Higgins and Harrison providing cover anyways.
If Rochford was obsessed with over-thinking it and putting a midfielder back there, at least SOS has a higher work-rate than his brother.
Seamus Oshea is 6"2, Donaghy is 6"5
Quote from: JoG2 on August 21, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
Vaughan's a big enough man himself and has been excellent the last couple of games...he's a shoe in to pick up Donaghy on Sat imo
Vaughan is 6"2 and not a particularly good fielder
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 21, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Grand but which FB? You couldn't put Higgins, Boyle, Barrett on him as he'd win high ball all day. Harrison? What about Geaney, he did well on him. It can be too easy to criticise a management decision but not have an alternative solution that's any better.
Vaughan. I don't rate him much, but he's a mucker and even if he's loose defending he understands the basics of it, unlike AOS. Strong enough too, and good enough to do at least a bit better of a job than AOS did, freeing AOS to do what he's actually good at.
That Kerry FB line would have shat bricks if AOS was on top of them yesterday.
But vaughan isnt a full back or able to compete under high ball with donaghy
Vaughan's a big enough man himself and has been excellent the last couple of games...he's a shoe in to pick up Donaghy on Sat imo
Vaughan is 6"2 and not a particularly good fielder
nobody is asking him or expecting him to field the thing, more to wreck or curtail Donaghy's fielding ability and releasing AOS further up the pitch.
Mayo need 2 points to become the highest scorers in a championship season. Beating us in 2005. Fcuk yiz.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 21, 2017, 12:54:40 PM
I thought that putting O'Shea to fb worked out ok for Mayo.
Firstly it negated the high ball into Donaghy on the square. Donaghy getting the ball 40 yards out on the wing is a completely different proposition to him getting the ball on the edge of the small square. The first goal was a result of S O'Shea sleeping on the ball and getting turned over, 2 or 3 Mayo players made no effort to get back with O'Brien leaving Aidan exposed. I definitely wouldn't blame him for that goal. His poor effort to stop the ball going over the line prior to the 2nd goal was a pure joke, lazy big ++++. Nothing to do with being fb tho.
Secondly I think Aidan O'Shea gets a lot of possession in most games but is is far too slow to move the ball, his default setting is a solo, maybe 2 and then a 3rd with his right foot before looking to part the ball, I feel it's no coincidence that Mayo tore Kerry apart with fast first time ball and lots of running support when he wasn't there to slow it down.
Not for the first time agree with everything you say Keyser, great game I drenched but worth it.
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
4 leinster finals wasnt it?
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on August 21, 2017, 02:11:37 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 21, 2017, 12:54:40 PM
I thought that putting O'Shea to fb worked out ok for Mayo.
Firstly it negated the high ball into Donaghy on the square. Donaghy getting the ball 40 yards out on the wing is a completely different proposition to him getting the ball on the edge of the small square. The first goal was a result of S O'Shea sleeping on the ball and getting turned over, 2 or 3 Mayo players made no effort to get back with O'Brien leaving Aidan exposed. I definitely wouldn't blame him for that goal. His poor effort to stop the ball going over the line prior to the 2nd goal was a pure joke, lazy big ++++. Nothing to do with being fb tho.
Secondly I think Aidan O'Shea gets a lot of possession in most games but is is far too slow to move the ball, his default setting is a solo, maybe 2 and then a 3rd with his right foot before looking to part the ball, I feel it's no coincidence that Mayo tore Kerry apart with fast first time ball and lots of running support when he wasn't there to slow it down.
Not for the first time agree with everything you say Keyser, great game I drenched but worth it.
He didn't slow it down much against Roscommon
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
So if they were to play at least one more replay and a final, would 11 be a record?
If Mayo are to win the replay they need to lose this obsession with Kieran Donaghy. Apart from fielding some high balls, when did this otherwise moderately talented 33 year old become the reincarnation of Maurice Fitzgerald.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
It's also been said that Down killed it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
3 draws against Dublin and another against Wickla was quare momentum!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
So if they were to play at least one more replay and a final, would 11 be a record?
Is that the real prize an 11th match lol
Quote from: ONeill on August 21, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Mayo need 2 points to become the highest scorers in a championship season. Beating us in 2005. Fcuk yiz.
You can thank Roscommon for that
No christmas cards for them this year
As much as it pains me after his antics this year, Andy is a lock for his second All-Star now. Exceptional performance. Not many 33 year-old outfield players win All-Stars.
David Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
David Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
A Meath man, what could possibly go wrong 😊
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
David Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
One of the best refs no doubt but I'm a bit surprised he's the ref for Kerry All Ireland semi final so soon after this. http://www.the42.ie/david-gough-dublin-kerry-kevin-mcmanamon-peter-crowley-3296683-Mar2017/
QuoteDavid Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
Ya he is the best of them.
It was a tough day yesterday but the small margin decisions went Kerry's way. Twice in the 1st half the ref stopped us from playing a quick counter attack with a free. One time it cost us a point due to Clarkes (out of his bloody hands) bad kick and the other time Donie was away up the field on his own. I also think SOS was fouled that time went the ball went loose for the Kerry goal.
I haven't seen the 2nd half but I do recall we got some late soft frees alright but i think yet again the bigger teams get the overall benefit.
You didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
As AZ said, that was a fairly black and white square ball. That's 1-1 in the first half alone from the ref who was still somehow biased against Mayo.
It never stops.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 21, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
David Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
One of the best refs no doubt but I'm a bit surprised he's the ref for Kerry All Ireland semi final so soon after this. http://www.the42.ie/david-gough-dublin-kerry-kevin-mcmanamon-peter-crowley-3296683-Mar2017/
I just saw the announcement on the official GAA Facebook page and there was one positive comment. The rest were all negative.
A lot of talk about how amateur players shouldn't be subjected to abuse but it seems referees are fair game.
Well I think yesterday's game showed up some of the buffoonery that passes for Gaelic Football punditry out there. We've heard everything from there being a top 3 only to the old classic of Mayo having no inside forwards. Then again, maybe we should be thankful as, to some extent, I think Fitzmaurice bought into the narrative about the Mayo forwards. He left his full back line totally isolated, similar to the way we used to in days gone by.
There has been a massive clamour within Mayo recently for a complete return to the running game. While, I agree there is times when it's needed, yesterday vindicated managements persistence in sticking with a kick passing game. I know a draw isn't enough for this group or indeded for the county, however, I feel we would have been facing the usual Kerry victory had Mayo not had the kicking game in their arsenal.
Looking ahead to the replay, I reckon Kerry have the bigger challenge facing them. Mayo's scope for improvement revolves massively around the kickout. We lost 8 of our own first half kickouts, that is astronomical and we probably would have won the game had it not been for this. Although Clarke must take some of the blame, I think he was instructed by management to go long. Things changed for the better in the second half when he went short but he should have been instructed to change tack far earlier. We also need to press the Kerry kickout far more than we did.
Kerry on the other hand face the conundrum of what to do with their full back line. Do they employ a sweeper? or stick to their guns and hope the result falls on their side the next day. Knowing Kerry and replays, they will probably change things up but it is very hard to get a sweeper system right when you have not been using it all year. And even if they do change it up, that should give more space to the Mayo runners to attack from deep. This is the major benefit of Mayo having 2 different attacking game plans. Despite what many say, this is a very good Kerry team and they are capable of coming up with the answers but I am hopeful that Mayo will close it out the next day.
What sorts of tits have watched David Gough and think he is a bad ref? Fûck right off.
He's quite lieterally the best ref I've ever seen.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 21, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 21, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
David Gough the ref for Saturday. Prob the best ref out there, so happy enough with that.
One of the best refs no doubt but I'm a bit surprised he's the ref for Kerry All Ireland semi final so soon after this. http://www.the42.ie/david-gough-dublin-kerry-kevin-mcmanamon-peter-crowley-3296683-Mar2017/
The best referee in the country. Fair play to him for being able to admit that mistake last year and explain why he felt he got it wrong.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on August 21, 2017, 05:01:25 PM
Well I think yesterday's game showed up some of the bufoonery that passes for Gaelic Football punditry out there. We've heard everything from there being a top 3 only to the old classic of Mayo having no inside forwards. Then again, maybe we should be thankful as, to some extent, I think Fitzmaurice bought into the narrative about the Mayo forwards. He left his full back line totally isolated, similar to the way we used to in days gone by.
There has been a massive clamour within Mayo recently for a complete return to the running game. While, I agree there is times when it's needed, yesterday vindicated managements persistence in sticking with a kick passing game. I know a draw isn't enough for this group or indeded for the county, however, I feel we would have been facing the usual Kerry victory had Mayo not had the kicking game in their arsenal.
Looking ahead to the replay, I reckon Kerry have the bigger challenge facing them. Mayo's scope for improvement revolve massively around the kickout. We lost 8 of our own first half kickouts, that is astronomical and we probably would have won the game had not been for this. Although Clarke must take some of the blame, I think he was instructed by management to go long. Things changed for the better in the second half when he went short but he should have been instructed to change tack far earlier. We also need to press the Kerry kickout far more than we did.
Kerry on the other hand face the conundrum of what to do with their full back line. Do they employ a sweeper? or stick to their guns and hope the result falls on their side the next day. Knowing Kerry and replays, they will probably change things up but it is very hard to get a sweeper system right when you have not been using it all year. And even if they do change it up, that should give more space to the Mayo runners to attack from deep. This is the major benefit of Mayo having 2 different attacking game plans. Despite what many say, this is a very good Kerry team and they are capable of coming up with the answers but I am hopeful that Mayo will close it out the next day.
Despite their buffoonery they probably realised that Kerry pushed up on kickouts, which consequently forced Clarke to go long, which consequently meant mayo had limited opportunities to run from deep and also consequently meant that when they did win a kick out there was space in front of their full forwards which consequently would encourage any team to kick it in. Consequently.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on August 21, 2017, 05:01:25 PM
Well I think yesterday's game showed up some of the bufoonery that passes for Gaelic Football punditry out there. We've heard everything from there being a top 3 only to the old classic of Mayo having no inside forwards. Then again, maybe we should be thankful as, to some extent, I think Fitzmaurice bought into the narrative about the Mayo forwards. He left his full back line totally isolated, similar to the way we used to in days gone by.
There has been a massive clamour within Mayo recently for a complete return to the running game. While, I agree there is times when it's needed, yesterday vindicated managements persistence in sticking with a kick passing game. I know a draw isn't enough for this group or indeded for the county, however, I feel we would have been facing the usual Kerry victory had Mayo not had the kicking game in their arsenal.
Looking ahead to the replay, I reckon Kerry have the bigger challenge facing them. Mayo's scope for improvement revolve massively around the kickout. We lost 8 of our own first half kickouts, that is astronomical and we probably would have won the game had not been for this. Although Clarke must take some of the blame, I think he was instructed by management to go long. Things changed for the better in the second half when he went short but he should have been instructed to change tack far earlier. We also need to press the Kerry kickout far more than we did.
Kerry on the other hand face the conundrum of what to do with their full back line. Do they employ a sweeper? or stick to their guns and hope the result falls on their side the next day. Knowing Kerry and replays, they will probably change things up but it is very hard to get a sweeper system right when you have not been using it all year. And even if they do change it up, that should give more space to the Mayo runners to attack from deep. This is the major benefit of Mayo having 2 different attacking game plans. Despite what many say, this is a very good Kerry team and they are capable of coming up with the answers but I am hopeful that Mayo will close it out the next day.
Despite their buffoonery they probably realised that Kerry pushed up on kickouts, which consequently forced Clarke to go long, which consequently meant mayo had limited opportunities to run from deep and also consequently meant that when they did win a kick out there was space in front of their full forwards which consequently would encourage any team to kick it in. Consequently.
Kerry tried to push up on Mayo kickouts in the 2nd half too. It was Mayo who changed it up at half time and CONSEQUENTLY only lost 1 one kickout in the 2nd half. You tell me which Mayo strategy was better, the 1st half or 2nd half one?
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Quote from: vallankumous on August 21, 2017, 03:07:05 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2017, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: sensethetone on August 21, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
It's also been said that Down killed it.
Colm O'Rourke getting cholera killed it.
By the way, just checking that people know the origin of the 'lions led by donkeys' phrase and understand that Sweeney didn't randomly decide to call the Mayo management 'donkeys'.
I always think that phrase is more of a compliment to the lions than a criticism of the donkeys.
Anyway, what's wrong with being a donkey?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Neilan. Did the business in the league final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
This talk about referee's by rival counties prior to the game is getting tiresome. Gough is arguably the best referee in the game and will let the game flow. His style of refereeing where he tends to apply common sense rather than going strictly by the rulebook lends itself to a good spectacle.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
Lane is poor. Those 3 are probably the best and they have all refereed a semi final. Pat McEneaney seems to love McQuillan, he gets a disproportionately high number of games relative to his ability. I think they try and share these jobs around year on year.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Neilan. Did the business in the league final.
Another poor ref, blows his whistle too often for minimal contact.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Neilan. Did the business in the league final.
Another poor ref, blows his whistle too often for minimal contact.
Just because you've a hard on for going against him doesn't mean the wider GAA agrees with you.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
Lane is poor. Those 3 are probably the best and they have all refereed a semi final. Pat McEneaney seems to love McQuillan, he gets a disproportionately high number of games relative to his ability. I think they try and share these jobs around year on year.
I dont think Pat McEneaney has had any input into the choice of referees since Aogán O Fearghail took over as President. Shame to burst that bubble as it was well blown :(
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 06:31:59 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Neilan. Did the business in the league final.
Another poor ref, blows his whistle too often for minimal contact.
Just because you've a hard on for going against him doesn't mean the wider GAA agrees with you.
I'm not looking for a support from the wider GAA, I'm just giving you my opinion as I see it. Defending a fellow countyman is honourable all the same.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 21, 2017, 06:34:31 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
Lane is poor. Those 3 are probably the best and they have all refereed a semi final. Pat McEneaney seems to love McQuillan, he gets a disproportionately high number of games relative to his ability. I think they try and share these jobs around year on year.
I dont think Pat McEneaney has had any input into the choice of referees since Aogán O Fearghail took over as President. Shame to burst that bubble as it was well blown :(
Who is it now then, Sean Walsh?
the GAA hour football podcast with Colm Parkinson is well worth a listen.Proper analysis of the game
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 21, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
Not sure if you're serious but the rule is you can't be in the square until after the ball is kicked. You can see from the below that O'Connor is well inside the square when Andy takes his shot, Cillian draws on it after and Griffin paws it away on the ground.
(https://i.imgur.com/gr8AmIJ.png)
Video is here, you can see the time. I don't think this one is really controversial, it's a clear square ball.
Quote from: Keane on August 21, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 21, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
Not sure if you're serious but the rule is you can't be in the square until after the ball is kicked. You can see from the below that O'Connor is well inside the square when Andy takes his shot, Cillian draws on it after and Griffin paws it away on the ground.
(https://i.imgur.com/gr8AmIJ.png)
Video is here, you can see the time. I don't think this one is really controversial, it's a clear square ball.
Some people from Ballagh aren't very good with understanding boundaries.
Sorry, forgot the link to the video after:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQZg7iP6rbg
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 21, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
McQuillan, has to be.
Or... Cormac Reilly? ;)
Neilan. Did the business in the league final.
Surprised it as you so long to mention that clown.
Quote from: Syferus on August 21, 2017, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: Keane on August 21, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 21, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
Not sure if you're serious but the rule is you can't be in the square until after the ball is kicked. You can see from the below that O'Connor is well inside the square when Andy takes his shot, Cillian draws on it after and Griffin paws it away on the ground.
(https://i.imgur.com/gr8AmIJ.png)
Video is here, you can see the time. I don't think this one is really controversial, it's a clear square ball.
Some people from Ballagh aren't very good with understanding boundaries.
Yes some people think it's in Roscommon!
Good performance yesterday although I feel we left it behind us. Poor mistakes - misplaced handpass and ball out over the sideline - lead directly to the two Kerry goals. In the last ten minutes, we had several chances and took only one. That said, Kerry will look at the quick free by BJK and wonder how they let their lead slip so late on.
I thought the ref did ok, it's difficult to get every decision right in such a fast game.
Moran, Doc, Parsons, Boyle, Higgins, Harrison and Vaughan were all very good. AOS was wasted at FB imo, would definitely move him for the next day and play Vaughan/Coen/SOS at FB. That's the first improvement we can make the next day.
We struggled badly on our own kickouts - lost 9 in total. At least two were unnecessary and led directly to frees that were scored - one that went short directly to a Kerry player who was fouled. The second went out over the line and ended up in a free. Now Kerry pressure was partly to blame for this but it's surely a second area we can improve on for next week.
The third improvement we need is from Keegan, apparently he was sick during the week so hopefully he'll have more influence next week.
Quote from: maigheo on August 21, 2017, 07:16:38 PM
the GAA hour football podcast with Colm Parkinson is well worth a listen.Proper analysis of the game
Haven't listened to today's yet but it's usually very good.
Cian Ward is probably the most interesting analyst I've heard on radio/podcast for a while.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 21, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
Who for the final so?
Think you can rule Deegan, Coldrick and Going out given they have taken charge of the semis. McQuillan? Lane?
Lane is the worst ref on the circuit right now and it would be a disgrace if he gets it.
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Marty Duffy? ;D
Lane is poor. He refereed the first Dublin and Mayo game last year and very poor. Surely they could have given replay to McQuillian and keep Gough for the final. Anthony Nolan from Wicklow could be a decent ref
Quote from: Keane on August 21, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: Ballaghman on August 21, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 21, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 21, 2017, 04:39:11 PM
QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
Not sure if you're serious but the rule is you can't be in the square until after the ball is kicked. You can see from the below that O'Connor is well inside the square when Andy takes his shot, Cillian draws on it after and Griffin paws it away on the ground.
There is an exception to the rule
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the small rectangle, and the ball is played from that area but is returned before the attacking player has time to leave the area, provided he does not play the ball or interfere with the defence, a foul is not committed.
There was also a foot block in that same play as Andy's shot was heading for the goal
It wasn't an illegal foot block.
I thought our ball handling in the FF line in such bad conditions was exceptional, can't remember too many balls being spilled
Quote from: Zulu on August 21, 2017, 09:51:16 PM
It wasn't an illegal foot block.
Could have been Griffins shoulder alright.
Watched the game back in full there.
Surprised at Kerry's shooting, Geaney and JOD two frees...Donaghy up and under that Geaney did well to keep alive.
Short free kick in injury time was very poor, Mayo would be rinsed if they coughed up something like that leading to an equaliser.
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Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
It's also been said that Down killed it.
Colm O'Rourke getting cholera killed it.
By the way, just checking that people know the origin of the 'lions led by donkeys' phrase and understand that Sweeney didn't randomly decide to call the Mayo management 'donkeys'.
I always think that phrase is more of a compliment to the lions than a criticism of the donkeys.
Anyway, what's wrong with being a donkey?
Nothing, except you just feel like an ass all the time!
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QuoteYou didn't happen to count how many steps Colm Boyle took before his goal by any chance?
When did was the over carrying rule re-introduced? It doesn't count for goal chances. That one balanced up the penalty we weren't awarded for the ground touch in the square picked up by Dessie Dolan in real time.
That was a square ball first. Cillian O'Connor followed the ball in, and then when Andy Moran kicked at it, Cillian was in the square.
Square ball? In open play? Ah lads get with the programme!
Not sure if you're serious but the rule is you can't be in the square until after the ball is kicked. You can see from the below that O'Connor is well inside the square when Andy takes his shot, Cillian draws on it after and Griffin paws it away on the ground.
There is an exception to the rule
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the small rectangle, and the ball is played from that area but is returned before the attacking player has time to leave the area, provided he does not play the ball or interfere with the defence, a foul is not committed.
There was also a foot block in that same play as Andy's shot was heading for the goal
He played the ball
and interfered with the defense ???
He did neither while in the small rectangle
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
Ye should do the decent thing and offer them a replay.
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
Sure it was Cillian who played the ball back across the second time for Griffin to handle on the ground.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
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Only if the player playing the ball was originally in possession.
1.2 (ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
Score a goal???
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
Sure it was Cillian who played the ball back across the second time for Griffin to handle on the ground.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
AZ look at the video, he was outside when he played it back across
It's a fairly pedantic point but there should have been two penalties and not the free out that WUM
Is claiming
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
Sure it was Cillian who played the ball back across the second time for Griffin to handle on the ground.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
AZ look at the video, he was outside when he played it back across
It's a fairly pedantic point but there should have been two penalties and not the free out that WUM
Is claiming
You're back to claiming there was a foot block now are you?
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Whats the most amount of matches a team has played in a single seaaon? If Mayo win the replay, after the final (barring any further replays) will have played 10 matches, two of which have gone to extra time
Tyrone played 10 championships matched in 05.
Meath played 10 championship games in 1991 also.
Was that the year they had all the replays against dublin?
Yes 4 games with Dublin,two games with Wicklow, and one game against Offaly,Laois,Roscommon and Down. It has been said the break they had for All Ireland final killed their momentum.
It's also been said that Down killed it.
Colm O'Rourke getting cholera killed it.
By the way, just checking that people know the origin of the 'lions led by donkeys' phrase and understand that Sweeney didn't randomly decide to call the Mayo management 'donkeys'.
I always think that phrase is more of a compliment to the lions than a criticism of the donkeys.
Anyway, what's wrong with being a donkey?
Yeah, I know where he got that from and I'm not too impressed with what he had to say. For starters he could have indicated that he was referencing another quote and not (I hope) saying that Rochford is a complete jackass. After all, there are many who weren't Blackadder fans or know wtf Sweeney was on about.
With the benefit of hindsight, little is impossible and it's easy to say that Rochford cost Mayo victory by planting O'Shea between Donaghy and the goalmouth and leaving him there throughout the game.
But Sweeney has a short memory if he forgot what Donaghy did to Mayo's chances in Limerick in the '14 replay. Cormac Reilly wasn't the sole cause of Mayo's defeat that day as Donaghy roasted Ger Cafferkey as he outfielded him time after time as high balls came in.
It was obvious that Fitzmaurice was going to use the same plan again if he could and Kerry did indeed lob a few in on top of Donaghy and AOS until he found it wasn't going to work and decided to use plan B instead.
It's easy to say that putting O'Shea at midfield or further out field somewhere would benefit Mayo but in that case Kerry would have resorted to plan A again. It was a case of damned if he did and double damned if he didn't as far as Rochford was concerned.
Things might have been different and we'd be hailing Rochford as a tactical genius if only Keegan had been fit. Who knows?
BTW, Joe Brolly reckoned the best way for Mayo to set up for the replay was to move Aido to midfield and drop Seamie as he's too ponderous. That would allow Paddy Durcan in to cornerback and put Harrison on Donaghy. I agree with him on this one.
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PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
Only if the player playing the ball was originally in possession.
1.2 (ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing.
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Canavan 95 v Dublin?
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
Sure it was Cillian who played the ball back across the second time for Griffin to handle on the ground.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
AZ look at the video, he was outside when he played it back across
It's a fairly pedantic point but there should have been two penalties and not the free out that WUM
Is claiming
Outside the square? Hmmm.
(https://image.ibb.co/m8vPNQ/Cillianinthesquare.jpg)
I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
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He did neither while in the small rectangle
We'll have to agree to differ there I suppose.
Sure it was Cillian who played the ball back across the second time for Griffin to handle on the ground.
PS, is that rule still active, that if you are lying on the ground you can play the ball away from yourself, even if you play it on the ground? It was there as a safety thing I think.
AZ look at the video, he was outside when he played it back across
It's a fairly pedantic point but there should have been two penalties and not the free out that WUM
Is claiming
Outside the square? Hmmm.
(http://i.imgur.com/uW03wCr.png)
Clearly stopped the video a fraction too soon there AZ .... he hadn't made contact with the ball in your one!!
Em, he's still in the square...
This is seriously f**king absurd.
Lads its done the ref is going to go back and give a free out or a penalty at this stage 😂
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Lads its done the ref is going to go back and give a free out or a penalty at this stage 😂
True for you :)
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This is seriously f**king absurd.
Not at all .... its great crack ;D
His foot has clearly left the area.
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This is seriously f**king absurd.
Not at all .... its great crack ;D
His foot has clearly left the area.
Elvis has left the building :)
Hard to believe that the talk in this thread is still about ref's. Get over it, it was a draw and arguably neither side deserved to win it the first day anyway. There is a full 70 minutes to settle the result on Saturday whichever side is good enough.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
I agree.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
If you don't think he's limited it's me that's heard it all.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
If you don't think he's limited it's me that's heard it all.
Hes one limited forward whod walk into the roscommom team ahead of anyone on it
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
If you don't think he's limited it's me that's heard it all.
Hes one limited forward whod walk into the roscommom team ahead of anyone on it
He was gone in 2014 until Mayo decided to rescue his career.
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
If you don't think he's limited it's me that's heard it all.
Hes one limited forward whod walk into the roscommom team ahead of anyone on it
Too old, McStays idea of senior team is for it to be U24.
Fitzmaurice will be dropping Donaghy for Saturday as he doesn't meet Syfīn's high standards. :-[
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I think most people will be able to admit that it's fairly cut and dry. 'Two penalties'! Mother of god ::)
You'd be a good man to ask , what do the Narries handle Donaghy when they are playing the Stacks.
He doesn't seem to do a lot of damage ?
Ah he does plenty a lot of the time. He's in and out from midfield with Stacks a lot which curtails him but at that level when he's fired up it's just damage limitation.
Our full back line wouldn't be the biggest so it's generally just a case of trying to get as many bodies around him as you can (and hoping the weather is bad).
Yeah, I think you know you are doing well when you see him drifting out the field .
He looks slow in the middle of the field.
Not really. He started doing it of his own accord after 20 hellish minutes against Galway.
Treating Donaghy as something special rather than a limited footballer is where most teams make their first error with regards marking him.
Heard it all now, you've some standards if you think Donaghy's limited.
If you don't think he's limited it's me that's heard it all.
Hes one limited forward whod walk into the roscommom team ahead of anyone on it
Unfortunately correct :-[
Full coverage from Sunday currently being repeated on Sky Sports Arena now.
Two all stars and four all irelands, I wouldn't mind being that limited
Will Donnacha Walsh be fit for the replay? If So, would he start or be left on the bench? It's also a wonder Sheehan wasn't brought on earlier the last day. I doubt he'd have missed the last free if he was in my opinion.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2017, 09:12:54 PM
Will Donnacha Walsh be fit for the replay? If So, would he start or be left on the bench? It's also a wonder Sheehan wasn't brought on earlier the last day. I doubt he'd have missed the last free if he was in my opinion.
Apparently not, hamstring injury
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2017, 09:12:54 PM
Will Donnacha Walsh be fit for the replay? If So, would he start or be left on the bench? It's also a wonder Sheehan wasn't brought on earlier the last day. I doubt he'd have missed the last free if he was in my opinion.
Nah, that free is within his range on a dry day but it was too slippy under foot for him on Sunday to make his normal connection.
Combined Mayo Kerry XV?
Clarke
Harrison Griffins Higgins
Durcan Keegan Murphy
Parsons Moran
Doherty AOS McLoughlin
Geaney Donaghy JOD
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 22, 2017, 11:10:24 PM
Combined Mayo Kerry XV?
Clarke
Harrison Griffins Higgins
Durcan Keegan Murphy
Parsons Moran
Doherty AOS McLoughlin
Geaney Donaghy JOD
Hey how did you get on in the inter-cert ?.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 02:51:05 PM
If Mayo are to win the replay they need to lose this obsession with Kieran Donaghy. Apart from fielding some high balls, when did this otherwise moderately talented 33 year old become the reincarnation of Maurice Fitzgerald.
I don't believe anyone has said he is. By moderately talented what do you mean? He is one of the best fielders of the ball, has excellent vision and very quick hands. He can take his own score and is an excellent team player who is as happy setting up scores as taking them.
He has made huge impacts to several high profile / important games including last Sunday despite not playing as well as he's capable of. Rochford showed a lack of respect putting AOS on him seeming to think he only has aerial ability.
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Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 02:51:05 PM
If Mayo are to win the replay they need to lose this obsession with Kieran Donaghy. Apart from fielding some high balls, when did this otherwise moderately talented 33 year old become the reincarnation of Maurice Fitzgerald.
I don't believe anyone has said he is. By moderately talented what do you mean? He is one of the best fielders of the ball, has excellent vision and very quick hands. He can take his own score and is an excellent team player who is as happy setting up scores as taking them.
He has made huge impacts to several high profile / important games including last Sunday despite not playing as well as he's capable of. Rochford showed a lack of respect putting AOS on him seeming to think he only has aerial ability.
His aerial ability has destroyed mayo in the past so from that point of view putting o'shea on him was a big success. o'shea's poor tackling was in the spotlight at full back though and his positional concentration was also poor at times. I don't think it was disastrous for mayo though and it wouldn't surprise me if they persisted with him back there. The long ball to donaghy is a big tactic for kerry and it took that away from their game.
I think Kerry will hope Aidan O'Shea is back there.
2 reasons being a) They will be expecting it, and will probably tweak things to get Geaney and O'Donoghue into the game more off Donaghy's runs.
b) It stops O'Shea hurting them out the field.
Kerry will be more worried about their own full back line.
Sticking O'Se on Donaghy doesn't say much about the management's faith in O'Se further forward.
Very good article on the game here.
https://medium.com/@KarlOKane/why-rochford-got-it-right-hes-not-pulling-these-rabbits-from-the-hat-to-be-a-smart-arse-e99da2bf2fb3
That's what I was saying earlier. Whether you think the move succeeded or not depends on what they were trying to do. As a neutral, and just looking at the game as if it were a Junior B club game, it was clear that the Full Forward got the better of the Full Back in the game.
Now as I said before, if Rochford believes that Donaghy being influential in that manner is preferable to being a target man under a high ball, and he is willing to take O'Shea back from where he has been playing very well all year in order to do it, then he can say it worked.
If he switches back now, and Donaghy takes Seamus O'Shea or Donie Vaughan or whomever for 2-2, and sets up Geaney and O'Donoghue to do wreck, then Rochford will be eaten alive by the fans for backing away from his plan.
If he doesn't change, and Kerry utilise Donaghy as a decoy/playmaker even more, and he gets the better of O'Shea again, and this time Geaney and O'Donoghue run riot because of more space or something in there, he'll be eaten alive for persisting with the tactic.
Who'd be a manager?
Surprised that O'Shea isn't getting more stick....sure isn't he the one supposed to be picking the team. ;)
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: brianboru00 on August 23, 2017, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 02:51:05 PM
If Mayo are to win the replay they need to lose this obsession with Kieran Donaghy. Apart from fielding some high balls, when did this otherwise moderately talented 33 year old become the reincarnation of Maurice Fitzgerald.
I don't believe anyone has said he is. By moderately talented what do you mean? He is one of the best fielders of the ball, has excellent vision and very quick hands. He can take his own score and is an excellent team player who is as happy setting up scores as taking them.
He has made huge impacts to several high profile / important games including last Sunday despite not playing as well as he's capable of. Rochford showed a lack of respect putting AOS on him seeming to think he only has aerial ability.
His aerial ability has destroyed mayo in the past so from that point of view putting o'shea on him was a big success. o'shea's poor tackling was in the spotlight at full back though and his positional concentration was also poor at times. I don't think it was disastrous for mayo though and it wouldn't surprise me if they persisted with him back there. The long ball to donaghy is a big tactic for kerry and it took that away from their game.
Limited does not mean bad . if your limited to catching highball infront of goal and either scoring or passing off for a score that a good limitation and more than makes up for being slow and ponderous out the field .
another invaluable but limited player would be dean rock . not a lot going on be will enf up with 8 top 10 points in most games .
then again you have really limited players like Enda smyth who is limited to one good game every few years
Quote from: lenny on August 23, 2017, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: brianboru00 on August 23, 2017, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 21, 2017, 02:51:05 PM
If Mayo are to win the replay they need to lose this obsession with Kieran Donaghy. Apart from fielding some high balls, when did this otherwise moderately talented 33 year old become the reincarnation of Maurice Fitzgerald.
I don't believe anyone has said he is. By moderately talented what do you mean? He is one of the best fielders of the ball, has excellent vision and very quick hands. He can take his own score and is an excellent team player who is as happy setting up scores as taking them.
He has made huge impacts to several high profile / important games including last Sunday despite not playing as well as he's capable of. Rochford showed a lack of respect putting AOS on him seeming to think he only has aerial ability.
His aerial ability has destroyed mayo in the past so from that point of view putting o'shea on him was a big success. o'shea's poor tackling was in the spotlight at full back though and his positional concentration was also poor at times. I don't think it was disastrous for mayo though and it wouldn't surprise me if they persisted with him back there. The long ball to donaghy is a big tactic for kerry and it took that away from their game.
I don't think its that big a tactic, like they don't persist with it ad nauseum its something they do from time to time but the fact that they have the best full forward under a high ball possibly in the history of the game means that when successful it means goals and the percentage of success is quite high.
I don't think the article defending Rochford is looking at all the angles. The weather and Mayos pressure on the kickers in the middle third did most of the limitation. Even with AOS there I think Donaghy will beat him under a high ball as he'll attack it but not at maximum height - rather jumping and catching it with his arms out in front of him. Donaghy also set up another goal chance that should have been scored, missed a point with his own poor shot and then ballooned another attempt albeit one of the five he was involved with as it was scored by Geaney I think.
From the article "
And yet, people expect Aidan O'Shea to dominate a man mountain like Donaghy in a wide open game, without giving Donaghy credit for being way more than just a target man." Again its not that there was an expectation anyone would dominate Donaghy - its the fact he was no where in the vicinity of putting pressure on Donaghy throughout the game - it wasn't even a contest. Vaughan for one would certainly have been closer and managed to restrict the amount of influence from Donaghy. If there was an aerial threat then again I would submit Vaughan would have done as well as O'Shea would do in this situation.
I think its a disaster waiting to happen for Mayo.
On the flip side was part of the reason Moran and Doherty made hay because O Se didn't hold up the ball as much - not sure whether it was on here that suggestion was made but I think its an interesting observation.
Like that Mayo jersey.
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/
Good one here by an spailpin on the full back situation.
Quote from: highorlow on August 23, 2017, 01:07:02 PM
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/
Good one here by an spailpin on the full back situation.
Thanks for that. Finally some sense being talked. The rush to be the first to decide what happened with the tactical change left a race to the bottom. Once the pundits raced to ridicule it, anyone who applied reason to the idea were left questioning themselves. Making it progressively worse. It was so easy to criticize the pundits just ran with that.
Throw in the Kerry stacked media's love to praise Donaghey and criticize O'Shea on top of it.
Are there questions that could be asked of the Mayo management? You betcha there are questions, but not one of them has anything to do with Aidan O'Shea playing fullback on Sunday. Not one. The very worst you could say about it is that the case is not proven, and if there are problems in the way Mayo set up it'll take more than a straight swap between Aidan O'Shea and Donie Vaughan to solve them. Up Mayo.
I suppose at the end of the day, the question is "Does playing Aidan O'Shea at full back make you more or less likely to win the game, all things considered?"
It's the same question that applies to all positional/personnel decisions.
If Rochford feels the answer, having looked at it last week, is "Yes", then he has to go with his gut. If he feels that it's "No", because Donaghy clearly won the man on man battle, albeit in a different way, or because he feels he lost too much out the field, then he should change it.
The rest is just noise.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
I suppose at the end of the day, the question is "Does playing Aidan O'Shea at full back make you more or less likely to win the game, all things considered?"
It's the same question that applies to all positional/personnel decisions.
If Rochford feels the answer, having looked at it last week, is "Yes", then he has to go with his gut. If he feels that it's "No", because Donaghy clearly won the man on man battle, albeit in a different way, or because he feels he lost too much out the field, then he should change it.
The rest is just noise.
Look AZ, even if we accept Rochford's already dubious choice to use a midfielder to play a position they've never played before - AOS wasn't just man-marking Donaghy, he sat back and played a very traditional FB role when Donaghy wandered out the field - AOS was the worst of the three starting midfielders to choose for the role.
Both Parsons and his brother were more mobile and defensively aware. I've seen both tackle going backwards regularly. Parsons might even qualify as a mobile midfielder in the modern sense of the word. AOS is absolutely brutal when tasked with marking a player because he's so big and cumbersome it's so easy to dummy or feint a pass and have him a mile off his man in a split second. The spaghetti arm tackle is another classic you see from him (and indeed many other big lads, our own Donie Shine is another great example), where he can only get so close to put in a waving arm on the man accelerating past him. I've seen it happen for the better part of a decade now - against him, you run down his channel and make hay. Doesn't matter if he's in the middle, CF, FF, his marker always has a great chance to get forward. 90% of the time he isn't going to get a good shoulder in so his strength is relatively meaningless on the ground.
I'm amused that some articles have decided to go against the grain (as much for attention as for heart-felt belief, I'd wager) because they cannot ignore how ill-fitted to the role AOS was.
I agree with you. I wouldn't do it, but I can see what he's thinking. What I'm saying is if he weighs everything up and basically ends up saying +Removal of Kerry High Ball is Greater than the -Aidan O'Shea forward influence, and -Aidan O'Shea ability to mark Donaghy on the ground, then he should go with it.
For me, I'd be probably playing Kevin McLoughlin or someone as a sweeper in front of someone like Vaughan, and get men around Donaghy if he wins a clean ball. But that's just me.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2017, 01:47:37 PM
I agree with you. I wouldn't do it, but I can see what he's thinking. What I'm saying is if he weighs everything up and basically ends up saying +Removal of Kerry High Ball is Greater than the -Aidan O'Shea forward influence, and -Aidan O'Shea ability to mark Donaghy on the ground, then he should go with it.
For me, I'd be probably playing Kevin McLoughlin or someone as a sweeper in front of someone like Vaughan, and get men around Donaghy if he wins a clean ball. But that's just me.
100%.
Using an offensive weapon like AOS as a FB isn't just about what he does defensively or how he makes the opposition gameplan around him because that player could obviously do damage higher up the field too. Young, Griffin and Enright were already at sea without the big bullock that is AOS running at them so that has to be taken into account too. Surely it would have been at least worth a net positive of a point if Mayo set up their defense as normal and palyed AOS in an attacking role or even switched him out the field at some point, so it's very possible to say the choice to play him at FB cost Mayo the victory.
For me it was a massive tactical miscalculation and proved without a shadow of a doubt Rochford is a bluffer, cut from the same cloth as a Carew. That may seem harsh but two seasons in there is enough material to make the call in my opinion. If Mayo win on Saturday it will be despite their manager, not because of him.
Someone did say earlier on that O'Shea out of the middle area may have contributed to quicker ball going into the Mayo FF line, where Moran made hay especially, and that is something I flagged up when I saw them v Cork. I thought that evening that Moran could have gone to town if the ball in was a bit quicker and took advantage of his runs. However I don't think it was AOS that was slowing the ball down that evening, it seemed to be a team thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry play a sweeper in front of their back 3 this Saturday because Enright is obviously not able for Moran, and I don't know who else can come in there. Fionn Fitzgerald wouldn't be much better I think.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
I suppose at the end of the day, the question is "Does playing Aidan O'Shea at full back make you more or less likely to win the game, all things considered?"
It's the same question that applies to all positional/personnel decisions.
If Rochford feels the answer, having looked at it last week, is "Yes", then he has to go with his gut. If he feels that it's "No", because Donaghy clearly won the man on man battle, albeit in a different way, or because he feels he lost too much out the field, then he should change it.
The rest is just noise.
Yes.
It's only Rotchford that can make that call. Imho as i said earlier, he has to go with it again.
While I understand pundits should not be on the fence I think they all rushed to bash the idea.
Finally some sense being spoken.
Donaghy has regularly destroyed full backs under the high ball and it is game over.
Mayo limited this avenue of scores on Sunday and gave themselves a chance of beating Kerry.
Lets be honest - bar Roscommon second game Mayo have been terrible this year and now they are competing with Kerry.
I firmly believe that is AOS had not been full back Sunday Kerry would have plundered many more goals and Mayo would be out.
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Finally some sense being spoken.
Donaghy has regularly destroyed full backs under the high ball and it is game over.
Mayo limited this avenue of scores on Sunday and gave themselves a chance of beating Kerry.
Lets be honest - bar Roscommon second game Mayo have been terrible this year and now they are competing with Kerry.
I firmly believe that is AOS had not been full back Sunday Kerry would have plundered many more goals and Mayo would be out.
Bar ???? game Kerry have been very average this year..
Quote from: Syferus on August 23, 2017, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Finally some sense being spoken.
Donaghy has regularly destroyed full backs under the high ball and it is game over.
Mayo limited this avenue of scores on Sunday and gave themselves a chance of beating Kerry.
Lets be honest - bar Roscommon second game Mayo have been terrible this year and now they are competing with Kerry.
I firmly believe that is AOS had not been full back Sunday Kerry would have plundered many more goals and Mayo would be out.
Bar ???? game Kerry have been very average this year..
Up until the Kerry game the only time they performed any way well was v Roscommon in second game.
If AOS had not ben marking Star on Sunday they would be out IMHO
Any Mayo supporters slightly concerned at how they finished both halves last Sunday? 22 minutes was Mayos last score in the 1st half and in a half that was 40 minutes long and only scored one point in the last 16 minutes of the 2nd half.
One thing i noticed is the interest in this game has increased in the last 3 years. Attendance 52,495 for the drawn Kerry v Mayo semi final in 2014. Sunday the attendance was 66,195. The replay in Limerick had attendance of 36,256 what is the expected crowd this Saturday?
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Finally some sense being spoken.
Donaghy has regularly destroyed full backs under the high ball and it is game over.
Mayo limited this avenue of scores on Sunday and gave themselves a chance of beating Kerry.
Lets be honest - bar Roscommon second game Mayo have been terrible this year and now they are competing with Kerry.
I firmly believe that is AOS had not been full back Sunday Kerry would have plundered many more goals and Mayo would be out.
Amen to that.
I'd go further and say that, once Donaghy didn't fetch the first few high balls cleanly that came his way, the O'Shea gamble had paid off. This Mayo team has traumatic memories of what happened in Limerick back in '14 and if Star had caught the first few high ones, the Mayo defence would have crumbled.
It would have been a collective case of "Here we go again."
It's alright saying that O'Shea would have been able to work wonders if he was playing midfield or centre forward but if Donaghy had been given a free hand at the other end, 'twouldn't matter a damn what Aido did or did not do.
He steadied the defence right from the off and that was his priority.
Now, if Leeroy had been in good shape, we'd be hailing Rochy as a tactical genius now. But O'Shea being stuck at FB and Keegan being off his oats was a double whammy that the team couldn't overcome.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 23, 2017, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
Finally some sense being spoken.
Donaghy has regularly destroyed full backs under the high ball and it is game over.
Mayo limited this avenue of scores on Sunday and gave themselves a chance of beating Kerry.
Lets be honest - bar Roscommon second game Mayo have been terrible this year and now they are competing with Kerry.
I firmly believe that is AOS had not been full back Sunday Kerry would have plundered many more goals and Mayo would be out.
Amen to that.
I'd go further and say that, once Donaghy didn't fetch the first few high balls cleanly that came his way, the O'Shea gamble had paid off. This Mayo team has traumatic memories of what happened in Limerick back in '14 and if Star had caught the first few high ones, the Mayo defence would have crumbled.
It would have been a collective case of "Here we go again."
It's alright saying that O'Shea would have been able to work wonders if he was playing midfield or centre forward but if Donaghy had been given a free hand at the other end, 'twouldn't matter a damn what Aido did or did not do.
He steadied the defence right from the off and that was his priority.
Now, if Leeroy had been in good shape, we'd be hailing Rochy as a tactical genius now. But O'Shea being stuck at FB and Keegan being off his oats was a double whammy that the team couldn't overcome.
Donaghy was given the freest hand I've seen in years on Sunday and contributed to a large amount of the damage caused.
I don't remember *ANY* high balls between them, other than one loopy punt thing over near the Hogan Stand side of the field out about 20m, which AOS broke well. It wasn't exactly a standard Kerry diagonal ball to the edge of the square situation.
I think Kerry just didn't kick those balls in at all on Sunday, whether they decided not to chance it because AOS is a big unit himself, or whether they decided to run him out the field with Donaghy is a moot point.
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
If AOS had not ben marking Star on Sunday they would be out IMHO
Can you call way off your man as marking? too much thought was put into The Star by the too many cooks on the Mayo sideline. In Last years drawn AI final Mayos defence held the Dublin forward line to 0-2 from play any 6 Dublin forwards can cause more damage than one mid 30 year old forward.
AOS not "marking" Donaghy on Saturday will prove even the Mayo management will know they got that gamble/experiment wrong last Sunday.
Griffin will surely get the chop with Morley going back to 3 and Johnathan Lyne coming in at 6?
Jack Barry to come in for Maher?
It'll be interesting to see if Kerry adopt a sweeper with 6 days preparation. I'd expect Mayo to be ready for a bolter in the form of Sean O Shea maybe....
Personally I'd go with
Clarke
Harrison. AOS. Barrett
Higgins
Durcan. Boyle
Parsons Keegan
Kevin Mc. Vaughan. Diarmuid O C.
Cillian O C. Jason Doc. Moran
Shane Nally off the bench to score the winner in injury time........of extra time 8)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 23, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
If AOS had not ben marking Star on Sunday they would be out IMHO
Can you call way off your man as marking? too much thought was put into The Star by the too many cooks on the Mayo sideline. In Last years drawn AI final Mayos defence held the Dublin forward line to 0-2 from play any 6 Dublin forwards can cause more damage than one mid 30 year old forward.
AOS not "marking" Donaghy on Saturday will prove even the Mayo management will know they got that gamble/experiment wrong last Sunday.
How many long high diagonal balls do Dublin play in (like they did when OGara was there).
How many long high diagonal balls did Kerry play in each game up until Sunday? One can only assume it was because AOS was there that they stopped this tactic
Looking at the extended weather forecast and it's looking like a pretty dry weekend overall. Dry sod and plenty of grip equals high ball raining in on top of the Mayo FB line ;)
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 23, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 23, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
If AOS had not ben marking Star on Sunday they would be out IMHO
Can you call way off your man as marking? too much thought was put into The Star by the too many cooks on the Mayo sideline. In Last years drawn AI final Mayos defence held the Dublin forward line to 0-2 from play any 6 Dublin forwards can cause more damage than one mid 30 year old forward.
AOS not "marking" Donaghy on Saturday will prove even the Mayo management will know they got that gamble/experiment wrong last Sunday.
How many long high diagonal balls do Dublin play in (like they did when OGara was there).
How many long high diagonal balls did Kerry play in each game up until Sunday? One can only assume it was because AOS was there that they stopped this tactic
Of course that was the reason Taylor. People are saying it was because of the weather? Laughable. Kerry pump high ball into Donaghy no matter the weather. Remember 2014 drawn game and the conditions weren't exactly great that day.
I don't totally agree with AOS being left FB the next day but I can absolutely see the merit in it. He put Kerry off their aerial bombardment game. Them being the good team they are and Donaghy being the good player he is meant they adapted. Fair play to them you'd expect that. If Rochford sticks to his guns the next day two things have to happen. 1) AOS has to get tighter which he did in the 2nd half but must be better again. If Kerry play a sweeper then we'll have one too and that will help further 2)AOS needs to push forward and drive at Kerry and get Donaghy on the back foot, at least a few gallops a half and tire and test Donaghy that way. Donaghy wouldn't be able to handle him going in that direction
If you had a sweeper that you could trust to watch donaghy to relative degree and you let o'shea wander up to full forward a few times whod pick him up?
Was talking to a kerryman earlier in the week who thought that although AOS did poorly in FB, the move threw the Kerry backs somewhat as Griffin had been earmarked for AOS
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2017, 05:35:29 PM
Was talking to a kerryman earlier in the week who thought that although AOS did poorly in FB, the move threw the Kerry backs somewhat as Griffin had been earmarked for AOS
Lining David Clarke at FF will seriously mess with their heads so.
Actually, if Rochford played Clarke at FB and Hennelly in goal it would have made more sense than what he actually did.
Aidan o se didn't go near donaghy. Wasn't interested and didn't want to. Brolly talking through his hoop about a lifetime achievement award needed to play full back. Would he have went one on one if he was in full forward either. If there was a hedge in croke park he'd have jumped over it. Always a hider on the big day. Top 5 sub.
Barry Moran will be the shock inclusion to mark, donaghey.
Quote from: cornetto on August 23, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Barry Moran will be the shock inclusion to mark, donaghey.
Hes played no football all year
AOS should play around the middle and drift back in to support the FB line when necessary.
Either that or stick him in the FF line.
He slows the play down massively when he's around the HF line as he insists on taking the ball into contact and he doesn't have the leg speed to 'break the line'.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 23, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: cornetto on August 23, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Barry Moran will be the shock inclusion to mark, donaghey.
Hes played no football all year
Played a small bit for Mitchels. Still looks the height of madness to carry him on the panel and drop Jason Gibbons. Rochford has a lot of questions that will be need to be answered in the post-season.
Kirby would be a better option than AOS imo
Quote from: rrhf on August 23, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
Aidan o se didn't go near donaghy. Wasn't interested and didn't want to. Brolly talking through his hoop about a lifetime achievement award needed to play full back. Would he have went one on one if he was in full forward either. If there was a hedge in croke park he'd have jumped over it. Always a hider on the big day. Top 5 sub.
Know the one too many, drink sensibly
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Kirby would be a better option than AOS imo
I take it you are just mickey taking here. Kirby is a hefty lump of a garsún alright but he's no more a match for Donaghy than I am!
I mean he hasn't come anywhere near staking a place on the team yet and he's around a while now. Taking him off the bench and putting him up against the cagiest, meanest and hardest unit on the pitch would be most unwise, to put it mildly!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 23, 2017, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 23, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Kirby would be a better option than AOS imo
I take it you are just mickey taking here. Kirby is a hefty lump of a garsún alright but he's no more a match for Donaghy than I am!
I mean he hasn't come anywhere near staking a place on the team yet and he's around a while now. Taking him off the bench and putting him up against the cagiest, meanest and hardest unit on the pitch would be most unwise, to put it mildly!
I don't think it's likely to happen but I think he wouldn't fare any worse than AOS. And you'd have the benefit of playing AOS out the field
Surprised nobody has mentioned Brehonys article in the Sindo today where he theorizes that maybe the players got together and decided that A.O.S playing FB gave them the best chance to win.Of course he mentioned the H and C saga again.Cannot believe I made the mistake of reading him but it will not happen again.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 23, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 23, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
Aidan o se didn't go near donaghy. Wasn't interested and didn't want to. Brolly talking through his hoop about a lifetime achievement award needed to play full back. Would he have went one on one if he was in full forward either. If there was a hedge in croke park he'd have jumped over it. Always a hider on the big day. Top 5 sub.
Know the one too many, drink sensibly
Good point - over the top from me. As a mayo supporting neutral it has been very frustrating.he has to do raise it on the big day. He definitely could have stayed closer to donaghy. I would give him another go at it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2017, 03:08:46 PM
Any Mayo supporters slightly concerned at how they finished both halves last Sunday? 22 minutes was Mayos last score in the 1st half and in a half that was 40 minutes long and only scored one point in the last 16 minutes of the 2nd half.
One thing i noticed is the interest in this game has increased in the last 3 years. Attendance 52,495 for the drawn Kerry v Mayo semi final in 2014. Sunday the attendance was 66,195. The replay in Limerick had attendance of 36,256 what is the expected crowd this Saturday?
ya i 'm surprised there has not been more talk about this.
while the phenomenon that is the mayo support has garnered some comment in the last few years last Sunday took it to a new level.
of that 66,000 in excess of 45,000 were mayo fans ( allowing for 5000 neutrals which is very generous) id guess. mayo outnumbered kerry at least 3-1.
the population of mayo is 130,000, this means that in excess of a third of the population of the county were in attendance. now obviously this is not physically possible. when you take out the old and infirm, very young children etc it would mean that in the region of 50% of those capable of going went.
of course mayo has a huge diaspora and they make up a fair percentage of the fans but even still the level of traveling support is now approaching what would be termed a migration.
i would guess that that was biggest mayo crowd to ever attend a game in croke park.
Quote from: guy crouchback on August 24, 2017, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 23, 2017, 03:08:46 PM
Any Mayo supporters slightly concerned at how they finished both halves last Sunday? 22 minutes was Mayos last score in the 1st half and in a half that was 40 minutes long and only scored one point in the last 16 minutes of the 2nd half.
One thing i noticed is the interest in this game has increased in the last 3 years. Attendance 52,495 for the drawn Kerry v Mayo semi final in 2014. Sunday the attendance was 66,195. The replay in Limerick had attendance of 36,256 what is the expected crowd this Saturday?
ya i 'm surprised there has not been more talk about this.
while the phenomenon that is the mayo support has garnered some comment in the last few years last Sunday took it to a new level.
of that 66,000 in excess of 45,000 were mayo fans ( allowing for 5000 neutrals which is very generous) id guess. mayo outnumbered kerry at least 3-1.
the population of mayo is 130,000, this means that in excess of a third of the population of the county were in attendance. now obviously this is not physically possible. when you take out the old and infirm, very young children etc it would mean that in the region of 50% of those capable of going went.
of course mayo has a huge diaspora and they make up a fair percentage of the fans but even still the level of traveling support is now approaching what would be termed a migration.
i would guess that that was biggest mayo crowd to ever attend a game in croke park.
The Gooch, Paul Galvin and Mike Quirke all pleading on twitter yesterday for Kerry supporters to travel next Saturday.
The aristocrats, dripping in Celtic crosses....wow.
Quote from: rrhf on August 24, 2017, 08:37:40 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 23, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 23, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
Aidan o se didn't go near donaghy. Wasn't interested and didn't want to. Brolly talking through his hoop about a lifetime achievement award needed to play full back. Would he have went one on one if he was in full forward either. If there was a hedge in croke park he'd have jumped over it. Always a hider on the big day. Top 5 sub.
Know the one too many, drink sensibly
Good point - over the top from me. As a mayo supporting neutral it has been very frustrating.he has to do raise it on the big day. He definitely could have stayed closer to donaghy. I would give him another go at it.
I seriously think the whole Donaghy thing has been blown up way out of proportion. The template to stop the big man on the edge of the square was set years ago. A man to break the ball in in high and a man to sweep in front. The big question of the Mayo management is not why did the put O'Shea on Donaghy but why they have been unable to implement an effective sweeper? They faffed around with McLoughlin last year who was like a fish out of water. At some stage they must know that they may come up against a Donaghy and may need to have a sweeper in place and it's a bad show that they haven't been able to coach this as part of a defensive strategy. The whole O'Shea thing just wreaks of panic.
Tbf, it does reek of panic to an extent. Mayo would have hoped to meet Kerry at this stage from 10 months ago and if Aos was the plan, it should have looked like it had been well practised
this must be one of the Greatest GAA PR coups of all time
Kerry full back line were a shambles , a forward subbed off after 20 mins a midfielder and Full back at half time a penalty denied to mayo for handling in the Small square
But all the attention falls on the mayo full back who held his man to a point .
is it because the only players most people are aware of are Donaghy and Aidan O Sé.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
this must be one of the Greatest GAA PR coups of all time
Kerry full back line were a shambles , a forward subbed off after 20 mins a midfielder and Full back at half time a penalty denied to mayo for handling in the Small square
But all the attention falls on the mayo full back who held his man to a point .
is it because the only players most people are aware of are Donaghy and Aidan O Sé.
How much more difficult would AOS have made that Kerry FB line's day if he was on top of them too?
Donaghy was the architect of a lot more than a point, mainly thanks to AOS's ropey marking - no one is going to let you away with recasting what we saw unfold in front of us on a few days ago.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
this must be one of the Greatest GAA PR coups of all time
Kerry full back line were a shambles , a forward subbed off after 20 mins a midfielder and Full back at half time a penalty denied to mayo for handling in the Small square
But all the attention falls on the mayo full back who held his man to a point .
is it because the only players most people are aware of are Donaghy and Aidan O Sé.
Yes that's it surely, Donaghy had no influence outside that point, cop on would you.
predictions?
The reason the Kerry full back line is not being discussed much is because nobody is offering tortured rationalisations for how they weren't destroyed.
Quote from: Keane on August 24, 2017, 01:28:26 PM
The reason the Kerry full back line is not being discussed much is because nobody is offering tortured rationalisations for how they weren't destroyed.
Or because there wasn't a massive last minute tactical switch in the Kerry FB line..... Definitely one or the other ;)
Anyone remember the last time an underdog won a senior IC replay?
The whole county now seems to think aido is the best full back since mick lyons. Love my county but detest the way some are so naive . Aido was roasted. And it will be worse if we persist the next day.
Kerry by 8
Or if Mayo set up right we are capable of beating them.well.better team
While AOS is criticised by all and sundry for being at fullback last Sunday, I'm not sure he can be blamed for all Mayo's ills. He was too loose on Donaghy all day surely, but the expected aerial bombardment didn't happen. Incidentally, having watched the game back last night for the first time since Sunday, it seems to me all AOS did wrong for the second goal was mishandle a poor pass from Higgins. He appeared to urge someone else to pick up Donaghy (I assume). He hardly was saluting him. Yet he's criticised for that too.
Prediction: Kerry by 3 or 4. I feel a strange sense of calm. Maybe it's the fact the players will give their all regardless.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2017, 01:36:38 PM
The whole county now seems to think aido is the best full back since mick lyons. Love my county but detest the way some are so naive . Aido was roasted. And it will be worse if we persist the next day.
Kerry by 8
Or if Mayo set up right we are capable of beating them.well.better team
I actually think this is true. In the 'middle 8' I think Mayo have the edge. The half back 'launching pad' is a real strength, and they should be able to win a lot of possession in that area. Man for man, I'd say Mayo probably are better in 5 or 6 of the 8 positions. David Moran and perhaps one of Crowley or Morley would be better than their opposite number. Donnacha Walsh would probably even things up a bit more, but looks like he's out. I wouldn't be overly gone on Michael Geaney or Stephen O'Brien.
But Kerry's inside line is of course dangerous, even if J'OD is struggling for form a bit, and because he is his greed and selfishness is obvious. It's alright not to pass when you are scoring. When you're missing it becomes a problem. Paul Geaney is probably their best forward. Even very well marshalled the last day he got 3 or 4 points from play. That's impressive stuff. And the Donaghy question is obviously still not solved.
If this was Team A v Team B, and you said Team B had the better half back line, even enough in Midfield, and probably the better half forward line, you'd pick team B to win 7 times out of 10. Mayo though, seem to be able to find that 3 out of 10 EVERY time.
Still, I'll stick my neck out. Mayo by 4.*
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 24, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
Anyone remember the last time an underdog won a senior IC replay?
London beat Leitrim in a replay a few years ago.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 24, 2017, 01:36:38 PM
The whole county now seems to think aido is the best full back since mick lyons. Love my county but detest the way some are so naive . Aido was roasted. And it will be worse if we persist the next day.
Kerry by 8
Or if Mayo set up right we are capable of beating them.well.better team
there was no roasting , remember mayo drew again red hot favourites . Aidan Did as well as any full back could do on Donaghy on the day the most direct assists you can put down to him is 1:01 the other score were he touched the ball in the build up just like 4 or 5 other players did .
the main thing that this game showed was this Kerry team are not the unstoppable force they seemed to be after beating cork , they like mayo have significant weakness esp in their backs and defensive structure and their bench is not half as good as they thought it was.
all that said I would not bet on the result and think there will be no more than a point in it hopefully to mayo but that would be more down to mayo's shyness in front of goal than anything to do with Aidan o Sé
Don't presume anyone needs a premium level ticket for Sat. There's €60 each on the priomh website. PM if you do
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
this must be one of the Greatest GAA PR coups of all time
Kerry full back line were a shambles , a forward subbed off after 20 mins a midfielder and Full back at half time a penalty denied to mayo for handling in the Small square
But all the attention falls on the mayo full back who held his man to a point .
is it because the only players most people are aware of are Donaghy and Aidan O Sé.
1. With all due respect if your putting that spin on it then maybe its beyond explanation for you
2. Mayo should NOT have had a penalty. As already explained here, COC should first have been called for square ball and a free out given.
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Quote from: brianboru00 on August 24, 2017, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 24, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
this must be one of the Greatest GAA PR coups of all time
Kerry full back line were a shambles , a forward subbed off after 20 mins a midfielder and Full back at half time a penalty denied to mayo for handling in the Small square
But all the attention falls on the mayo full back who held his man to a point .
is it because the only players most people are aware of are Donaghy and Aidan O Sé.
1. With all due respect if your putting that spin on it then maybe its beyond explanation for you
2. Mayo should NOT have had a penalty. As already explained here, COC should first have been called for square ball and a free out given.
just quoting the actual fact not a spin at all
even if it was a good a spin its as good as theas the one where the mayo full back was a disaster and must be changed . he wasn't even the second worst full back on the day .
And at no point did COC touch the ball in the small square there fore no square ball ,
no one yet has come up with a coherent reason Kerry were held by such rank outsiders
Quote from: mayo.mick on August 24, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
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Average
cillian o connor 7.5
dean rock 7
kingston 6.75
eoin cleary 6.25
Brodrick 6.2
mcbreaty 5.8
c mcmanus 5.2
Andy 3.25
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
When is team news expected?
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
:'( :'(
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
Ring fitzmaurice and he will surely stick it up on the dressing room wall!!! ;D
So when are you going to live up to your name and give Ballagh back to Mayo??
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
It's always good to plan ahead
You know the way you can for the FBD in January
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
It's always good to plan ahead
You know the way you can for the FBD in January
Big talk from a county scared shitless of a pensioner.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
It's always good to plan ahead
You know the way you can for the FBD in January
Big talk from a county scared shitless of a pensioner.
You mean the man that has more all stars than Roscommon have won in over a quarter of a century?
Piss off back to the U-17 thread
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 02:16:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
It's always good to plan ahead
You know the way you can for the FBD in January
Big talk from a county scared shitless of a pensioner.
You mean the man that has more all stars than Roscommon have won in over a quarter of a century?
Piss off back to the U-17 thread
Someone's drowning their sorrows a little early this year..
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 02:16:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 01:40:37 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 25, 2017, 01:31:23 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
It's always good to plan ahead
You know the way you can for the FBD in January
Big talk from a county scared shitless of a pensioner.
You mean the man that has more all stars than Roscommon have won in over a quarter of a century?
Piss off back to the U-17 thread
Someone's drowning their sorrows a little early this year..
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He's like some sort of non giving up Roscommon guy...
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
Frees count , most frees scored are caused by a foul when the opposition are in a scoreable position sometimes in with a goal chance .
the vast majority of the time the top scorer is the free taker
It only when your free taker is off form you realize his Value
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
Frees count , most frees scored are caused by a foul when the opposition are in a scoreable position sometimes in with a goal chance .
the vast majority of the time the top scorer is the free taker
It only when your free taker is off form you realize his Value
This only applies if you don't have multiple component free takers. Otherwise the value of any single free taker is vastly reduced.
Most teams have a left-sided free-taker, right-sided free-taker, and a long range free-taker. COC's stats are heavily inflated by being all three most days for Mayo.
It's surprising Mayo haven't produced any free takers of note from long range in particular - COC isn't much of a 45 taker so it wouldn't take Bryan Sheehan to unseat him.
Best of luck to Mayowestros on Sunday (genuinely!).
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
Best of luck to Mayowestros on Sunday (genuinely!).
Thanks - but would mean more for tomorrow ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on August 25, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
Best of luck to Mayowestros on Sunday (genuinely!).
Thanks - but would mean more for tomorrow ;)
Take what you're given.
I suppose it'll come down to the old cliche who improves the most from last Sunday will win it. Question is who has more to improve on? I reckon if we can get some better return from our own kickouts and pressure Kerry's a bit more we'll be a good way there. That alone would impact Donaghy's influence just by depriving possession. We lost over 50% of our own kickouts in the first half while Kerry got a 75% plus return on theirs. Also if we if we can cut out the stupid costly errors/turnovers we'll be in a good position, 2-1 of Kerry's scores originated from poor passes on our behalf. These are things well within managements and players' control, I'd be hoping for an improvement on both. The other question is can Kerry shore up their defence from the last day without taking away from their resources further out the field. Given that defence seems to have been a problem all season for Kerry and that Fitzmaurice seems to have done little about it so far it's looking like a big problem to sort out in a week. Expecting another tight one tomorrow.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 25, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
Best of luck to Mayowestros on Sunday (genuinely!).
Thanks - but would mean more for tomorrow ;)
Take what you're given.
OK best of luck whenever th'oul game is on.
Hard to keep up with all them adult game things.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
Frees count , most frees scored are caused by a foul when the opposition are in a scoreable position sometimes in with a goal chance .
the vast majority of the time the top scorer is the free taker
It only when your free taker is off form you realize his Value
Can't remember what last years stats were but COC's free taking isn't what it used to be. Think the stat I saw earlier was he's 33% from over 35m, i'd be very confident that he was a lot better than that 2 years ago.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 25, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on August 25, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 24, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
Take out the free taking and thats the true scoring stat, Kerry look out ye are beaten already, Mayo supporters offering to exchange hurling final tickets for football final tickets with Galway supporters ::)
Frees count , most frees scored are caused by a foul when the opposition are in a scoreable position sometimes in with a goal chance .
the vast majority of the time the top scorer is the free taker
It only when your free taker is off form you realize his Value
Can't remember what last years stats were but COC's free taking isn't what it used to be. Think the stat I saw earlier was he's 33% from over 35m, i'd be very confident that he was a lot better than that 2 years ago.
Strangely he's better from play and worse on frees this year. Open to correction i think Andy Moran in less game time has scored more from play this summer than COC.
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
If it wasn't Mayo's obsession too Rochford wouldn't have overthought it and put AOS at FB..
Fairly sure the stat was Kerry scored 0-3 from their own short kick out whilst Mayo scored 1-6 from their own whilst neither side dominated their own kickout when they went long.
Kerry have a greater scope for improvement when looking at some of the stats obviously this doesn't mean they necessarily will. Mayo made so many more tackles then Kerry and made my turnovers than them too. I think Kerry will play the same way tactically but Fitzmaurice will make changes in that full back line.
Walsh named to start.
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I'd say that's a dud team. Walsh wasn't even kitted out on Sunday, Can't see him being right to start considering it was hamstring trouble. I'd say you'll see the two Jacks start in place of Walsh and Maher. Kerry really are short on established backs as well. No obvious replacements for the guys who we're cleaned out last week.
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
I dunno Hound that Dublin team has a very soft core with the semi loss to us being the perfect example. Pillar's team took a few hammerings against Tyrone and never reached a final. That team probably never reached it's potential and was liked by the neutrals. This Mayo team constantly punches above it's weight through workrate and hunger. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone are all more talented on paper than Mayo but yet Mayo push them all the way!! Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals! The most disingenuous sentence by far in Ireland today is "sure we would love to see Mayo win an All Ireland" and to be fair to the Dubs, Rossies and Galway at least they are honest about how little they like this Mayo team.
I don't expect to see Maher, Walsh or Donoghue start for Kerry. Barry to start midfield, lyne in backs with Murphy lining out at 11 but sweeping. Possibly Darren O Sullivan on half forward line.
Mayo have named unchanged team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
Michael Geaney not even in the 26?
Whatever the outcome tomorrow, if it is the end of the current Mayo team, I hope that they give it their best shot, in fact I know for a fact they will. If it's not enough then so be it. Hope it is though. Anyways, safe travelling to all tomorrow. Gut tells me Kerry by a point or 2.
Ronan Shanshan not in the named 26 either.Has he just fallen out of favour?
I was at the league final in April and he played the full game corner back.
I haven't watched it back since but I have it in my head that he played very well that day.
Thought he would at least be a bench option if fit.
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 25, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals!
Is this actually serious? I'd say Mayo get more good press than just about anyone.
The amount of Mayo columns in the media this week was McGregoresque.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 26, 2017, 02:59:18 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 25, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals!
Is this actually serious? I'd say Mayo get more good press than just about anyone.
Is this really first time you've encountered batshít Mayo supporters who think everyone is out to get them?
Mayo are pitied rather than hated.
Hoping for Rhus by 1
Prediction Kutehoors by 5.
Rumours about Keegan and Parsons being doubts, Keegan was in hospital in cbar
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 26, 2017, 02:59:18 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 25, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals!
Is this actually serious? I'd say Mayo get more good press than just about anyone.
The amount of Mayo columns in the media this week was McGregoresque.
Just compare how the Waterford hurling team if Shanahan , McGrath and Mullahs were treated by the media & neutrals compared to this Mayo team.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 03:03:20 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 26, 2017, 02:59:18 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on August 25, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 25, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals!
Is this actually serious? I'd say Mayo get more good press than just about anyone.
Is this really first time you've encountered batshít Mayo supporters who think everyone is out to get them?
Mayo are pitied rather than hated.
Smarts words from a dumb man :)
3 more changes for Kerry,
Jonathan Lyne for Griffin
Jack Barry for Maher
Tom O'Sullivan for O'Donoghue
Is Tom O'Sullivan a defender?
Quote from: Duine Eile on August 26, 2017, 02:41:16 PM
3 more changes for Kerry,
Jonathan Lyne for Griffin
Jack Barry for Maher
Tom O'Sullivan for O'Donoghue
That change is the biggest talking point and probably confirms he is carrying an injury.
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2017, 02:48:09 PM
Is Tom O'Sullivan a defender?
He is and with Walsh playing as well it looks like Kerry are going to play it fairly defensive today.
AOS not marking the Star by the looks of it today.
Kerry trying to make this physical. Ref not having it.
Donaghy is a sneak.
That's not a yellow for O'Shea.
15 mins gone Mayo 0-5 Kerry 0-4. A lot of yellow cards handed out for very little.
Most deserved bar o'shea. Kerry trying stuff and ref onto them.
Why are we told at every David Gough match who his 4 umpires are!!!
Quote from: Gaffer on August 26, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
Why are we told at every David Gough match who his 4 umpires are!!!
Sure it's the gaa and it's all about family and the parish and all that sentimental stuff yada yada yada.
Scrappy game. 23 mins gone Mayo 0-6 Kerry 0-4. With all the cards handed out its hard to see both sides finishing this game with 15 players.
Kerry look stumped.
Mayo look wasteful.
Mayo way better but need to start reflecting that on the scoreboard. You could see a Kerry goal sparking them into life.
Mayo are just a better team.
However still not sure they will win!
That'll help the kerry keepers confidence.
Mayo Goal! Kerry keeper should have done better. Mayo 1-7 Kerry 0-5.
Scoreline now reflects the game.
Kerry pure pish today. Overly defensive and blunting their own attacking play. Mayo much superior but u wouldn't write the hoors off yet.
Another high tackle and yellow card. Seamus O.
Kerry look like a team playing a system they are just not used to. Bit all over the place.
Fitzmaurice's tactics have been very poor again.
Really thought he was better than this.
HT Mayo 1-8 Kerry 0-6. Its Mayos game to lose now.
I know I'm broken record on this but that half again highlights why Mayo are falling short in finals. They have entirely dominated the game but haven't taken some easy scoring chances or created more kickable ones from attacking positions. Only for a soft enough goal Kerry would be still right in this. Even now, they are a purple patch away form making this 50:50.
Agreed. Game should be well and truly over as a contest but is far from it.
David Gough loves being centre of attention ::)
Mayo the only team in it.
Gough is one irritating ref.
Here in Croker. Depressing seeing 29 men in one half. Mayo shud be home and hosed. Kerry have nothing to offer.
2nd Mayo goal hard to see them letting this game slip now. Mayo 2-9 Kerry 0-7 38 mins gone.
#FitzmauriceOut #GetJackBack
47 mins gone Mayo 2-9 Kerry 0-9.
Ref won't be popular in kerry.
Ref giving Kerry a hard time here!!
Kerry won't be popular in kerry
Jesus Mayo push on and stopping messing around. They'll get caught and concede a goal yet. Push on and win the damn thing by 10 points.
Yeah. I think there is a twist in this yet.
Gees mayo would make you nervous.
What was the darren o sullivan incident?
55 mins gone. Mayo 2-11 Kerry 0-12
Mayo look like they could let this slip.
Mayo now constantly fouling. Kerry have been pure dung but are still in this
Never doubt Kerry
Nothing in this game now
62 mins gone. Mayo 2-12 Kerry 0-14.
At least Mayo aren't showing their hand, for the final, with the kick out strategy!
Kerry down to 14 men. Mayo lead by 5.
That wasn't a yellow either.
Seeing the replay it wasn't even a foul.
Never a yellow!!!
Christ that's a soft yellow
Crowley deserves it regardless
That should be enough for Mayo!
How many subs Mayo make?
Jack o Connor, where are you, we need you, no hard feelings, keys to the kingdom will be burned just for you
They have it now and you'd have to be delighted for them. They are an heroic side and their back 6 are something else I just hope they can bring their shooting boots on September 17.
Neither team is going to make Dublin lose any sleep.
Pure puke from Kerry
christ Anthony Maher is an awful p***k of a player! he's done nothing but pull players by the jersey off the ball since he came on
David Gough will have a sore hand from scribbling in his notebook and a sore arm from lifting cards.
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Donaghy a 100% p***k
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:35:15 PM
Neither team is going to make Dublin lose any sleep.
*Dublin/Tyrone
Fully deserved win for Mayo. A few of those Kerry players will be retiring now and will more than likely have a new manager in 2018. Mayo 2-16 Kerry 0-17
Disgraceful stuff from Kerry. Make Tyrone look like altar boys
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
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Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
Crowleys sending off was completely wrong and could have turned the game as Kerry were in the ascendancy at that stage.
But sure the masters of the dark arts are in action tomorrow against Dublin, isn't that right? ::)
Well done Mayo.
Excellent today and totally deserved. Kerry lost the heads when they found out the referee was going to make it a fair contest.
Hopefully we'll be meeting again in 3 weeks.
Delighted for Rochford after all the abuse last week.
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Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
Crowleys sending off was completely wrong and could have turned the game as Kerry were in the ascendancy at that stage.
Come off it. At no point after Mayo got the first goal did Kerry look like winning it. They were an indisciplined side today's how were deservedly beaten.
Mayo are simply relentless and I really hope they can win their coveted AI title now.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
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Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
No they weren't. Some of them were miles from yellows.
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
No they weren't. Some of them were miles from yellows.
Yeah, like Donaghy's red card punch and COC's cynical foul.
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
Crowleys sending off was completely wrong and could have turned the game as Kerry were in the ascendancy at that stage.
Poor decision and by Darren o'sullivan's reaction he was v hard done by also. Cillian O'connor's tackle was cynical but wasn't a pulling down action and shouldn't have been black either.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on August 26, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
Delighted for Rochford after all the abuse last week.
This. Up Mayo.
Well done Mayo. Far the better team. Kerry couldn't handle the middle third and this time Mayo didn't self destruct. Eamon fitzmaurice needs to have a long hard look at himself for leaving Shane enright on Andy Moran for a game and a half. That was borderline criminal.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on August 26, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
Delighted for Rochford after all the abuse last week.
Looking forward to Sweeney's acknowledgement tomorrow that he crossed the line.
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:51:13 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Jesus Gough has been terrible for this match!!
Apart from the DOS black every call has been correct.
No they weren't. Some of them were miles from yellows.
Yeah, like Donaghy's red card punch and COC's cynical foul.
Crowley's second yellow wasn't a yellow and DOS wasn't a black or next nor near it. Plenty others were harsh.
Fabliss. Up Connacht
The double is ON
Solid
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 26, 2017, 04:58:44 PM
Well done Mayo. Far the better team. Kerry couldn't handle the middle third and this time Mayo didn't self destruct. Eamon fitzmaurice needs to have a long hard look at himself for leaving Shane enright on Andy Moran for a game and a half. That was borderline criminal.
Couldn't understand that either. Should have been moved off him at half time in the first game as he was getting destroyed but he continued to persist. Same again today before he belatedly pulled him ashore but the damage was done at that stage.
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If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
I wonder what games some people watch at times. Enright has played plenty of high profile games before, it should be evident that the guy is not up to it. He has no pace, he can't tackle and his discipline and propensity to give away needless frees is shocking.
He'd struggle to make decent club side to be honest, by far the worst player I can remember to ever win an All Star.
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Donie Buckley looked a very happy man at the end.The only happy Kerry man today.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Yeah. Anyone hyping up Mayo should be careful to remember it took them two matches to beat a side they were clearly better than from the word go. They're not going to be so much better than Dublin so a massive and perhaps unattainable improvement is necessary.
Hon the lads
Kerry were so negative and most if the shady stuff seemed to be coming from their side while Mayo ploughed on playing football. If Tyrone carried on like Kerry did today Spillane would be foaming at the mouth.
Even if O'Donoghue isnt hitting the heights you need to start him as he at least is unpredictable. Everything was negative from Kerry and they got what they deserved.
Gough is getting grief online but not sure what s ref can do when players are fouling and carrying on so much.
Delighted gor Andy Moran too. Also is it just me or has Tom Parsons' football skills cone on a lot this year?
Re: All Ireland Football semi-final;Mayo v Kerry,Sunday Aug 20
« Reply #431 on: August 20, 2017, 08:03:53 PM »
"Mayo will beat Kerry, that Kerry team is brutal, great full forward line .Moran in Midfield, but defence is very poor, from the Kerry team of 10 years ago only Moran and Geaney would get in it"
I left that there for you, what were Mayo ever worried about!!
On the Game, he may be the smallest man on the field but Colm Boyle was a Giant among mere mortals out there the day, outstanding and has good i have seen from a defender in a long long time.
Hes old, bad hamstrings and has slowed down but Andy Moran the best forward ever to play for Mayo, without him they never make it to the All-Ireland finals year on year.
Beginning to think its Mayo year.
Andy Morgan's runs are so intelligent. I said that day in Limerick that they weren't making the most of them. They are now. I like the look of that Loftus lad as well.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Yeah. Anyone hyping up Mayo should be careful to remember it took them two matches to beat a side they were clearly better than from the word go. They're not going to be so much better than Dublin so a massive and perhaps unattainable improvement is necessary.
Any side that beat Kerry by 5 points scoring 2-16 in All Ireland semi final deserves the hype that comes their way. Dublin in the semi final only beat Kerry by 2 points last summer and lost the NFL final to them. Mayo were also the better team in the drawn All Ireland final last year but didn't win. Last but not least Dublin are not into the final yet..
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Yeah. Anyone hyping up Mayo should be careful to remember it took them two matches to beat a side they were clearly better than from the word go. They're not going to be so much better than Dublin so a massive and perhaps unattainable improvement is necessary.
Any side that beat Kerry by 5 points scoring 2-16 in All Ireland semi final deserves the hype that comes their way. Dublin in the semi final only beat Kerry by 2 points last summer and lost the NFL final to them. Mayo were also the better team in the drawn All Ireland final last year but didn't win. Last but not least Dublin are not into the final yet..
That NFL final was a real guide to the summer alright.
Kerry will go back to Jack O`Connor if he wants it, saying he was over the first 2 all-ireland winning minor teams, i expect major blooding of new players over the next 2 years to bring Kerry to a force again over the next 2/3yrs. Killian Spillane must have went back in the football, he was a big high scoring forwards a few years back. Clifford staying and future development will be important to Kerry as possible looking how Mark O`Connor getting on over in the AFL
congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
What did Durcan get the second yellow for? I seemed to miss that on the tv.
Also, no qualms with COC black even though it technically wasn't a black per the rule. That's what it was brought in for.
I called the DOS incident a black in real time and haven seen a replay. Very little analysis offered on tv.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Yeah. Anyone hyping up Mayo should be careful to remember it took them two matches to beat a side they were clearly better than from the word go. They're not going to be so much better than Dublin so a massive and perhaps unattainable improvement is necessary.
Any side that beat Kerry by 5 points scoring 2-16 in All Ireland semi final deserves the hype that comes their way. Dublin in the semi final only beat Kerry by 2 points last summer and lost the NFL final to them. Mayo were also the better team in the drawn All Ireland final last year but didn't win. Last but not least Dublin are not into the final yet..
That NFL final was a real guide to the summer alright.
More of guide that your constant ramblings.
Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 26, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
Is there a match on in Omagh?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 26, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 26, 2017, 05:20:38 PM
Mayo good value for their margin of victory and won all the key battles all over the field. The only concern is conceding 0-17 but its only a slight concern as Dublin conceded 2-14 against Kerry in the semi final last year.
Over the two games Rochford have shown he is a better manager than fitzmaurice the next step is to outsmart Gavin or Harte.
I don't know that Rockford out thought fitzmaurice or anything, although they were a bit cuter with Aidan o shea today. I just think in the key positions mayo were stronger and better. As they were last day. Today they just managed not to implode.
Yeah. Anyone hyping up Mayo should be careful to remember it took them two matches to beat a side they were clearly better than from the word go. They're not going to be so much better than Dublin so a massive and perhaps unattainable improvement is necessary.
Any side that beat Kerry by 5 points scoring 2-16 in All Ireland semi final deserves the hype that comes their way. Dublin in the semi final only beat Kerry by 2 points last summer and lost the NFL final to them. Mayo were also the better team in the drawn All Ireland final last year but didn't win. Last but not least Dublin are not into the final yet..
That NFL final was a real guide to the summer alright.
More of guide that your constant ramblings.
Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
Can't even bring yourself to do anything other play the man when you get called out.
Well done to Mayo today. Kerry are awful, it was good to see a ref finally make them pay for their dirty antics and orchestrated fouling. Hopefully the ref will be strong tomorrow.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2017, 06:34:00 PM
Well done to Mayo today. Kerry are awful, it was good to see a ref finally make them pay for their dirty antics and orchestrated fouling. Hopefully the ref will be strong tomorrow.
I hope the ref is strong tomorrow also because it will be hot and heavy early on and tyrone will be like psychos or so enda mcginley says.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2017, 06:34:00 PM
Well done to Mayo today. Kerry are awful, it was good to see a ref finally make them pay for their dirty antics and orchestrated fouling. Hopefully the ref will be strong tomorrow.
I hope the ref is strong tomorrow also because it will be hot and heavy early on and tyrone will be like psychos or so enda mcginley says.
Are you the guy who said Mayo and Kerry don't play with sweepers?
They'll be some amount of ticket swapping done between Galway and Mayo this week and the weeks after anyway.
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congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
Is there a match on in Omagh?
Not to my knowledge you tool.
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Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
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Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 26, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
Is there a match on in Omagh?
Not to my knowledge you tool.
Seafoid as a Croke Park phobia. I believe Galway are more than 15 years without a Championship football win at Croke Park. He's been hysterical the past couple of weeks.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
We did ok against a poor kerry team , the winners will come from tomorrows game
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
You also didn't think Mayo had enough for Kerry. You're not very good at analysing and understanding gaelic football.
Gough had a fine game and didn't put up with any mouthing either.
Great result Mayo. That was awesome!!!
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Quote from: SkillfulBill on August 26, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
Is there a match on in Omagh?
Not to my knowledge you tool.
Seafoid as a Croke Park phobia. I believe Galway are more than 15 years without a Championship football win at Croke Park. He's been hysterical the past couple of weeks.
Wow Bomber. Unfortunately you can't enter the uaisleacht lounge with 3 all Irelands
Quote from: larryin89 on August 26, 2017, 07:12:28 PM
We did ok against a poor kerry team , the winners will come from tomorrows game
Lets be honest Larry, this Mayo team are more primed and ready to win this All Ireland than ever before. Dublin and Tyrone will probably knock the shite out of each other leaving the winner weary,battered and bruised for hungry and determined Mayo team.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on August 26, 2017, 06:00:21 PM
What did Durcan get the second yellow for? I seemed to miss that on the tv.
Also, no qualms with COC black even though it technically wasn't a black per the rule. That's what it was brought in for.
I called the DOS incident a black in real time and haven seen a replay. Very little analysis offered on tv.
DOS definitely not a black card. I think Kerry can feel hard done by the ref today, they brought some of it on themselves but there were definitely a few big calls that were harsh to say the least. That aside, Mayo by far the better team and it's hard to understand why they were ever questioned. Give them Paul Geaney and they'd be the best team in Ireland. It's no wonder the Mayo public are so passionate about them, they are a credit to the GAA. I hope Colm Boyle never retires, what a warrior!
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Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
Once is enough, plonker, no need to repeat your ignorance ad nauseam, like.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
Once is enough, plonker, no need to repeat your ignorance ad nauseam, like.
Are you ten years old?
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Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
Once is enough, plonker, no need to repeat your ignorance ad nauseam, like.
Are you ten years old?
Are you? All you do is come out with childish nonsense in attempt to wind people up.
Wouldn't agree with those calling Kerry poor. Mayo are a serious team with plenty of experienced proven IC footballers and will challenge anyone, yet Kerry were very unlucky not to get two goals, and bring this to the wire. Moran, Geaney, O'Donoghue, Walsh, Crowley, Young, Donaghy and (probably) Morley, Griffin are quality IC players. Moran, Geaney and O'Donoghue would probably make an Irish team, Geaney would be the main forward. If they can bring through a few players from their recent successful minor teams they'll win senior championships pretty soon.
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Yeah. It will be interesting to see how Kerry will to put it up to Dublin in the final now, alright.
You really are a persistent plonker, aren't you! :D
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that thinking Tyrone won't have close to enough to beat Dublin is a treasonous offense for posters north of the border.
Once is enough, plonker, no need to repeat your ignorance ad nauseam, like.
Are you ten years old?
Are you? All you do is come out with childish nonsense in attempt to wind people up.
If you think saying Dublin is going to beat Tyrone is childish nonsense you're not going to be in a good mood tomorrow. I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram and getting personal because someone said something I didn't agree with.
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If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
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How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
I wonder what games some people watch at times. Enright has played plenty of high profile games before, it should be evident that the guy is not up to it. He has no pace, he can't tackle and his discipline and propensity to give away needless frees is shocking.
He'd struggle to make decent club side to be honest, by far the worst player I can remember to ever win an All Star.
Well played. Enright was poor over the two games. I believe that historically he's a good player. But once you're happy you're right then that's what matters.
Funny enough he won two clear balls in front of Moran in the first half despite him being so poor.
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If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
I wonder what games some people watch at times. Enright has played plenty of high profile games before, it should be evident that the guy is not up to it. He has no pace, he can't tackle and his discipline and propensity to give away needless frees is shocking.
He'd struggle to make decent club side to be honest, by far the worst player I can remember to ever win an All Star.
Well played. Enright was poor over the two games. I believe that historically he's a good player. But once you're happy you're right then that's what matters.
Funny enough he won two clear balls in front of Moran in the first half despite him being so poor.
What games have you seen him in that he was good?
I must not have been watching them.
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Well done to Mayo today. Kerry are awful, it was good to see a ref finally make them pay for their dirty antics and orchestrated fouling. Hopefully the ref will be strong tomorrow.
I hope the ref is strong tomorrow also because it will be hot and heavy early on and tyrone will be like psychos or so enda mcginley says.
I said they don't play with 14 or 15 players inside their own 45.
Are you the guy who said Mayo and Kerry don't play with sweepers?
Mayo have surpassed themselves this Summer and on our past years efforts it is no mean feat. 7 semi finals in a row and now our 4th final in 6 years. The glaring fact that we've failed to get over the line remains but I remember the Sunday game panel writing us off a few weeks ago as not being mentioned in a top 2 or 3 and that will no longer be the case. This team keeps rewriting their own history.
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Re: All Ireland Football semi-final;Mayo v Kerry,Sunday Aug 20
« Reply #712 on: August 24, 2017, 01:36:38 PM »
The whole county now seems to think aido is the best full back since mick lyons. Love my county but detest the way some are so naive . Aido was roasted. And it will be worse if we persist the next day.
Kerry by 8
Set up same again Larry, be nice you some trust in your own team tuh tuh!!
Quote from: Syferus on August 26, 2017, 07:48:21 PM
If you think saying Dublin is going to beat Tyrone is childish nonsense you're not going to be in a good mood tomorrow. I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram and getting personal because someone said something I didn't agree with.
You post repeatedly, plonker, like it's a fait accompli.
Don't do such, child and expect adult interactions.
Unquestionably the best side never to win an AI title. They are a side that neutral followers can enjoy as well as they are rarely involved in a dull game at the business end of the season. No disrespect to Dublin or Tyrone but there will be 31 counties rooting for them in September hoping they can finally reach the promised land. History beckons and I'm predicting now that they will beat Tyrone in the final, a side who they seem to have a hoodoo over.
They are probably better than a fair few sides that have won all-irelands but came at a time when Donegal and Dublin had their best ever teams too, is this now 4 all-Ireland finals in recent years?
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 17, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
I wonder what games some people watch at times. Enright has played plenty of high profile games before, it should be evident that the guy is not up to it. He has no pace, he can't tackle and his discipline and propensity to give away needless frees is shocking.
He'd struggle to make decent club side to be honest, by far the worst player I can remember to ever win an All Star.
Well played. Enright was poor over the two games. I believe that historically he's a good player. But once you're happy you're right then that's what matters.
Funny enough he won two clear balls in front of Moran in the first half despite him being so poor.
What games have you seen him in that he was good?
I must not have been watching them.
I don't recall. I don't recall a poor one up until last week. You mustn't have been.
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Unquestionably the best side never to win an AI title. They are a side that neutral followers can enjoy as well as they are rarely involved in a dull game at the business end of the season. No disrespect to Dublin or Tyrone but there will be 31 counties rooting for them in September hoping they can finally reach the promised land. History beckons and I'm predicting now that they will beat Tyrone in the final, a side who they seem to have a hoodoo over.
31? I don't think so
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Unquestionably the best side never to win an AI title. They are a side that neutral followers can enjoy as well as they are rarely involved in a dull game at the business end of the season. No disrespect to Dublin or Tyrone but there will be 31 counties rooting for them in September hoping they can finally reach the promised land. History beckons and I'm predicting now that they will beat Tyrone in the final, a side who they seem to have a hoodoo over.
31? I don't think so
Who won't? I wouldn't be too up with local rivalries if that is what you are referring to.
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congratulations to Mayo today by far the better side Kerry simply second best. This kerry side are very overrated and Mayo proved again to be a team on a mission which hopefully fails against Tyrone on the 3rd Sunday but that's for another day. Well done.
Is there a match on in Omagh?
Not to my knowledge you tool.
Seafoid as a Croke Park phobia. I believe Galway are more than 15 years without a Championship football win at Croke Park. He's been hysterical the past couple of weeks.
Wow Bomber. Unfortunately you can't enter the uaisleacht lounge with 3 all Irelands
Sorry Bomber didn't realise the tool was a small ball enthusiasts. Obviously a bit of Mayo Falic envy going on .
Thanks Zulu.
This is our year. I said it to Billy Keane after we sneaked passed Cork.
As a Tyrone man I'm delighted for Mayo however if (and it's a massive if), we can scrape past Dublin tomorrow I'd be alot more confident of beating mayo than Kerry.
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As a Tyrone man I'm delighted for Mayo however if (and it's a massive if), we can scrape past Dublin tomorrow I'd be alot more confident of beating mayo than Kerry.
Makes sense but the winner will come from tomorrow's game , nobody doubts that.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 17, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
If you were to pick a team from the two, who would you go with? For me it'd be:
Clarke (although I don't know much about the Kerry keeper tbh)
Enright Harrison Higgins
Keegan Boyle Morley (although I could see Crowley replacing either Boyle or Morley)
Moran Parsons (tight call for the 2nd position)
McLoughlin AOS Buckley (two slow men in the HF line though)
Geaney COC JOD (COC ahead of moran for his free taking)
The team is perhaps lacking balance and I surely have a mayo bias (giving probably 3 marginal decisions our way) but I'm giving it 8-6 on outfield players to mayo.
Kerry have more on the bench I think - Maher/Barry, O'Brien, McCarthy, Darren o's, bjk, savage compared to coen, doc/Vaughan, Loftus, drake, Nally
I think we'll push them close but scores from the bench might get them over the line - unless we somehow manage to stifle the influence of Moran in a massive way
Enright is a liability.
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Quote from: larryin89 on August 17, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
How is he a liability?
He's not very good and if he wore another jersey other than Kerry's he'd probably be lucky to see half time in most games.
I couldn't disagree more.
I wonder what games some people watch at times. Enright has played plenty of high profile games before, it should be evident that the guy is not up to it. He has no pace, he can't tackle and his discipline and propensity to give away needless frees is shocking.
He'd struggle to make decent club side to be honest, by far the worst player I can remember to ever win an All Star.
Well played. Enright was poor over the two games. I believe that historically he's a good player. But once you're happy you're right then that's what matters.
Funny enough he won two clear balls in front of Moran in the first half despite him being so poor.
What games have you seen him in that he was good?
I must not have been watching them.
I don't recall. I don't recall a poor one up until last week. You mustn't have been.
Off the top of my head he has had stinkers in a lot of big games.
He was very poor against Tyrone in 2015, should have been black carded for dragging Peter Harte down. He was awful against Mayo in 2014 and should have seen a red card early doors. A few weeks ago against Galway he was terrible and was lucky not to get a straight red card for poleaxing a Galway player coming through.
He's a weak link and I can only assume you haven't seen him play much, he's always having to resort to cynical fouls and today he was like the cat on his ninth life.
Mayo have been some value these past 6 odd years. They've dished up some exciting, edge of the seat matches and the fact that they prob look better poised now to maybe win Sam, is a testament to the squad of players they have. Keep her going to blazes
Well done Rhubarbs.
Probably 8 points the better team.
Mayo know how to press Kerry's buttons. Their style has always matched up particularly well against Kerry. It would make you wonder what some of these pundits are smoking that there was such confidence amongst them that Kerry would win handily.
A few weeks ago they were saying "this team is just waiting to be put out of its misery". Some misery.
The simple fact is that since 2012, this Mayo team has been considerably better than Kerry.
Five wins out of seven in the league with just one Kerry win.
And it's a fact that Kerry were poxed lucky in both matches in 2014. Absolutely poxed.
In all four championship clashes between the two since 2014, Mayo have been the better team each time.
Usually comfortably so. This is a richly deserved and long overdue win over Kerry for them.
They say teams that win replays are ones that learned more from first day. one Example from last week Stephen Coen running through took a ridiculous shot and blocked. In near enough same situation running today, took the simple option and laid easy ball of to Loftus? who slotted over the bar. Special mention to David Clarke who was exceptional. Best shot stopper in the country
Dissapointed with Kerry but better team won ,hope they can win it now
What's up with Lee Keegan lads?
He's definitely not 100%.
The question now is who do Mayo prefer in the final ? I think Tyrone might suit them better ?
I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
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Thanks Zulu.
This is our year. I said it to Billy Keane after we sneaked passed Cork.
Are you thanking me because I said they're a credit to the GAA?
This Mayo team are something different and for me, there's nothing else happening in sport. Mayo footballers are sport now. Not many people get to support a team that embodies all that you'd want a team to embody but Mayo folk have that. Enjoy the journey lads as you're on a special one.
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I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
Mayo would definitely beat Tyrone IMO but they'll need a bit of form or luck to beat Dublin. Tyrone would make it attritional which Mayo win every time but Dublin would be down to scorers and they've more of them.
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Thanks Zulu.
This is our year. I said it to Billy Keane after we sneaked passed Cork.
Are you thanking me because I said they're a credit to the GAA?
This Mayo team are something different and for me, there's nothing else happening in sport. Mayo footballers are sport now. Not many people get to support a team that embodies all that you'd want a team to embody but Mayo folk have that. Enjoy the journey lads as you're on a special one.
I agree , this Mayo team have resiilance and after today loads of
Confidence and neutral fans . I really like the wAy they keep
Going . They are one of the benchmark teams now
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What's up with Lee Keegan lads?
He's definitely not 100%.
Your right something not right there
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I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
Mayo would definitely beat Tyrone IMO but they'll need a bit of form or luck to beat Dublin. Tyrone would make it attritional which Mayo win every time but Dublin would be down to scorers and they've more of them.
Winning championship comes down to defences also and both Tyrone and Dublin are way better defensively than the current Kerry team. Mayo don't have scoring power to win can't be used going into final. C O Connor is top scoring forward in this years championship by some distance and Mayo as a team this summer have scored more than any team now in history of championship football and then they have Andy Moran in peak form the top scoring forward from play this summer.
Two OGs aside Mayo will need to defend as well as they did in both AI finals last year to win Sam.
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I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
Mayo would definitely beat Tyrone IMO but they'll need a bit of form or luck to beat Dublin. Tyrone would make it attritional which Mayo win every time but Dublin would be down to scorers and they've more of them.
Winning championship comes down to defences also and both Tyrone and Dublin are way better defensively than the current Kerry team. Mayo don't have scoring power to win can't be used going into final. C O Connor is top scoring forward in this years championship by some distance and Mayo as a team this summer have scored more than any team now in history of championship football and then they have Andy Moran in peak form the top scoring forward from play this summer.
Two OGs aside Mayo will need to defend as well as they did in both AI finals last year to win Sam.
Kind of takes the sting from the tail when you are 100% honest and state they will soon have played the most games in a championship, and that most of COC's scores have been easy frees.
Youre right syf, cillian is overrated . Sure rossie would of beaten that kerry team.
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Youre right syf, cillian is overrated . Sure rossie would of beaten that kerry team.
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I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
Mayo would definitely beat Tyrone IMO but they'll need a bit of form or luck to beat Dublin. Tyrone would make it attritional which Mayo win every time but Dublin would be down to scorers and they've more of them.
Winning championship comes down to defences also and both Tyrone and Dublin are way better defensively than the current Kerry team. Mayo don't have scoring power to win can't be used going into final. C O Connor is top scoring forward in this years championship by some distance and Mayo as a team this summer have scored more than any team now in history of championship football and then they have Andy Moran in peak form the top scoring forward from play this summer.
Two OGs aside Mayo will need to defend as well as they did in both AI finals last year to win Sam.
Wouldn't agree either are better defensively. Tyrone get 14 back, anyone would be hard to score against with 14 back. Dublin are excellent but Mayo can go toe to toe with anyone defensively, the problem is only Moran is a genuine scoring threat from play.
Great display Mayo, very well deserved, and what a bunch of truly gifted players.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2017, 11:26:35 PM
Great display Mayo, very well deserved, and what a bunch of truly gifted players.
I agree Fear great guys best of luck tomorrow
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2017, 11:26:35 PM
Great display Mayo, very well deserved, and what a bunch of truly gifted players.
Epitomised by Andy Moran who has been magnificent this year and continues to play the game the right way. Whatever the merits of Shane Enrights defending I thought he was the best player on show over the 2 games. Higgins very good also over the 2 matches, he has consistently been the best defender in Ireland over the last decade.
Another great performance from Mayo today. There has been an upward curve since the Galway game. Ironically if Keith hadnt been sent off we would have beaten Galway and might not have improved as much. I suggested after the drawn game with Ros that the problem was one of lack of concentration and focus. Getting back to the All-Ireland Final was the only target this year but focussing on the steps needed to get there proved troublesome. As Rochford said on RTE this evening there were signs there that things were coming together and that individual players were working their way back to top form. In different games starting with Derry, AOS, DOC, Keegan, Durkan, Boyler, Andy and McLoughlinn have shown that they were back. The icing on the cake for me was the improvement in Harrison after injury and in the past few weeks the form of SOS, Vaughan and Doherty who was superb again today. The AOS to full back ploy settled the back line, not because Aido was brilliant there but because the knowledge that he would challenge Star physically and aerially allowed the rest of the backs concentrate on their own individual battles. Today the sideline can take credit for timely changes and good tactics.
It is laughable that so many posters who have being writing off this team all season are now reduced to carping that Mayo were poor because they didn't finish Kerry the first day or hammer them today. As I have been confident all year I will carry on in the same vein for the next three weeks regardless of the opposition. We have a fighter's chance.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-finally-land-knockout-blow-on-kerry-1.3199581
Some nice photos of hits on AOS in this article
Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
Wouldn't agree with those calling Kerry poor. Mayo are a serious team with plenty of experienced proven IC footballers and will challenge anyone, yet Kerry were very unlucky not to get two goals, and bring this to the wire. Moran, Geaney, O'Donoghue, Walsh, Crowley, Young, Donaghy and (probably) Morley, Griffin are quality IC players. Moran, Geaney and O'Donoghue would probably make an Irish team, Geaney would be the main forward. If they can bring through a few players from their recent successful minor teams they'll win senior championships pretty soon.
How could you leave possibly one of the best of them Paul Murphy out of that long list is beyond me.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
Wouldn't agree with those calling Kerry poor. Mayo are a serious team with plenty of experienced proven IC footballers and will challenge anyone, yet Kerry were very unlucky not to get two goals, and bring this to the wire. Moran, Geaney, O'Donoghue, Walsh, Crowley, Young, Donaghy and (probably) Morley, Griffin are quality IC players. Moran, Geaney and O'Donoghue would probably make an Irish team, Geaney would be the main forward. If they can bring through a few players from their recent successful minor teams they'll win senior championships pretty soon.
How could you leave possibly one of the best of them Paul Murphy out of that long list is beyond me.
+1
Jason Doherty has been invaluable the last two games, when Cillian went off today he scored a free and a 45 that settled the the team when Kerry were making a run at Mayo.
Would agree on Jason Doc.Had to laugh when people were speculating before the drawn game on who would drop out for Keegan Dochertys name was constantly mentioned.Anyone who follows this Mayo team would have known that there was no chance of that happening as he has become such a vital member of this forward unit
Mayo were magnificent today. They will be hard to beat.
Kerry instincts say don't do it, my heart says #mayo4sam
Still buzzing after yesterday. Knew we could/would do it.
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Is there anyone else playing for Kerry apart from Donaghy. This Mayo obsession with Donaghy is getting tiresome and must be music to kerry's ears
I think it's the media's obsession with how Mayo deal with Kerry - to be fair!
The media love writing/talking about Mayo, definitely more than any other team in either code. Though mostly to take the mick out of them it seems! If they lose to Kerry, it'll all be about what Mayo did wrong. But if they beat Kerry, they will praise them to high heaven and build them up to the sky.
It reminds me a lot of Pillar's Dubs, who were probably also the most entertaining team of their time. And also, like the current Mayo team, always seem to (inadvertently perhaps) do things that brings even more media attention to them!
Really looking forward to the game. Very hard to call, two very evenly matched strong teams. I'm edging towards Mayo, but if Kerry win it'll be Geaney man of the match.
I dunno Hound that Dublin team has a very soft core with the semi loss to us being the perfect example. Pillar's team took a few hammerings against Tyrone and never reached a final. That team probably never reached it's potential and was liked by the neutrals. This Mayo team constantly punches above it's weight through workrate and hunger. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone are all more talented on paper than Mayo but yet Mayo push them all the way!! Also Mayo are pretty much the most hated team around at the moment by the media and the neutrals! The most disingenuous sentence by far in Ireland today is "sure we would love to see Mayo win an All Ireland" and to be fair to the Dubs, Rossies and Galway at least they are honest about how little they like this Mayo team.
Little late replying to this Crete. Agree that this Mayo team is better than Pillar's Dublin, but just think the media attention is similar.
Disagree totally with your comment that Mayo have less talent than the other top teams! Also don't think they work harder than Dublin or Tyrone, as I think all 3 work as hard as they possibly can.
Don't necessarily agree with you that Mayo are the most hated team. Certainly there is an element of Dublin fans that would have Mayo as public enemy number 1, because there is a view that Mayo fans are the biggest whingers. But still I'd say the majority would prefer Mayo to Kerry. (Obviously being huge rivals inevitably leads to some animoisty). Outside of the semi-finalists I'd imagine Mayo would have the biggest neutral support.
I said to a mate before the match that if I thought Tyrone would beat the Dubs, then I'd definitely support Mayo in the replay. But if Dublin were in the final I'd prefer Kerry, as I think we match up better against them. Yet when the match threw-in I found myself cheering on Mayo from the beginning.
mayo most hated, hell no they are by far the most popular by a long distance, though some mayo posters on here would change your mind lol
Like a shark once they smell blood in the water they go for it and have risen back to the level where we expect Mayo to be.
Watching it back this morning, just a few thoughts
Spillane is hilarious, it's a show of weakness to play AOS at FB but no mention of dropping a POTY for a back.
Thought Gough was good in fairness, the DOS and Durcan decisions aside. Buckley got a second yellow for an arm around the neck, same as the other high tackles. Probably should have been a penalty for a Boyle foot block but hard to spot
DOC was outstanding, really stood up, like Andy he always wins his ball. Conor Loftus needs to have more respect for the ball and possession. Keegan is obviously still sick after the cellulitis. Boyler was immense obviously. Harrison kept Geaney in check again, another good day. Same with Higgins
I never realised until these two games but Geaney gets involved in afters ALL the time. Great niggle in fairness
Delighted for Rochford, it wasn't just Sweeney, every man and a dog at home was giving out about him. Vindication and back to back finals, great stuff
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Watching it back this morning, just a few thoughts
Spillane is hilarious, it's a show of weakness to play AOS at FB but no mention of dropping a POTY for a back.
Thought Gough was good in fairness, the DOS and Durcan decisions aside. Buckley got a second yellow for an arm around the neck, same as the other high tackles. Probably should have been a penalty for a Boyle foot block but hard to spot
DOC was outstanding, really stood up, like Andy he always wins his ball. Conor Loftus needs to have more respect for the ball and possession. Keegan is obviously still sick after the cellulitis. Boyler was immense obviously. Harrison kept Geaney in check again, another good day. Same with Higgins
I never realised until these two games but Geaney gets involved in afters ALL the time. Great niggle in fairness
Delighted for Rochford, it wasn't just Sweeney, every man and a dog at home was giving out about him. Vindication and back to back finals, great stuff
I don't see how rowing back on his mad change from last week is any sort of vindication for Rochford. If anything it was an admittance he was wrong. It doesn't say much for his game management that it took watching back the tape to realise it, because he certainly didn't change it during the first game. Mayo were clearly the better side the first day too, in case any Mayo supporters try to colour this as a vindication after very warranted criticism of Rochford.
What exactly did he row back on? AOS stayed FB and was outstanding. He got all the match ups correct. Had the balls to bench Durcan and take off Diarmuid at HT.
McStay put the boot in yesterday, let himself down badly. It's laughable that he said the first day was mayos best forward display in a long time. That's more blinkered than you Syf, we did put 20 points on Roscommon
Something interesting from a Mayo perspective.
Up until the Ros replay they looked confused at what to do once they crossed the 65; didn't know whether to bomb, pass, run or hold. Looked like a team that had no defined style of play.
Since then they've looked like a team who can vary their attacking style depending on the opposition, and even change if up mid game. Players are reading the game and doing it with conviction. Which means even seasoned, clinical defences like Kerry are kept thinking. Pushing up on Mayo's half back line is still the most appropriate opposition response as Mayo's running game is still their strongest suit, but I'm so glad to see they've a few other suits they're happy to try on. They've only been a couple of mistakes in defence / a touch of variety in attack short of winning Sam up to now. They've a real, real chance in 3 week, no matter who wins today.
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 27, 2017, 12:04:35 AM
Another great performance from Mayo today. There has been an upward curve since the Galway game. Ironically if Keith hadnt been sent off we would have beaten Galway and might not have improved as much. I suggested after the drawn game with Ros that the problem was one of lack of concentration and focus. Getting back to the All-Ireland Final was the only target this year but focussing on the steps needed to get there proved troublesome. As Rochford said on RTE this evening there were signs there that things were coming together and that individual players were working their way back to top form. In different games starting with Derry, AOS, DOC, Keegan, Durkan, Boyler, Andy and McLoughlinn have shown that they were back. The icing on the cake for me was the improvement in Harrison after injury and in the past few weeks the form of SOS, Vaughan and Doherty who was superb again today. The AOS to full back ploy settled the back line, not because Aido was brilliant there but because the knowledge that he would challenge Star physically and aerially allowed the rest of the backs concentrate on their own individual battles. Today the sideline can take credit for timely changes and good tactics.
It is laughable that so many posters who have being writing off this team all season are now reduced to carping that Mayo were poor because they didn't finish Kerry the first day or hammer them today. As I have been confident all year I will carry on in the same vein for the next three weeks regardless of the opposition. We have a fighter's chance.
At least. Sometime the time has arrived
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Quote from: Zulu on August 26, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
Wouldn't agree with those calling Kerry poor. Mayo are a serious team with plenty of experienced proven IC footballers and will challenge anyone, yet Kerry were very unlucky not to get two goals, and bring this to the wire. Moran, Geaney, O'Donoghue, Walsh, Crowley, Young, Donaghy and (probably) Morley, Griffin are quality IC players. Moran, Geaney and O'Donoghue would probably make an Irish team, Geaney would be the main forward. If they can bring through a few players from their recent successful minor teams they'll win senior championships pretty soon.
How could you leave possibly one of the best of them Paul Murphy out of that long list is beyond me.
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Yeah, should have included him too.
Paul Murphy could still get a game for a u-16 team
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Something interesting from a Mayo perspective.
Up until the Ros replay they looked confused at what to do once they crossed the 65; didn't know whether to bomb, pass, run or hold. Looked like a team that had no defined style of play.
Since then they've looked like a team who can vary their attacking style depending on the opposition, and even change if up mid game. Players are reading the game and doing it with conviction. Which means even seasoned, clinical defences like Kerry are kept thinking. Pushing up on Mayo's half back line is still the most appropriate opposition response as Mayo's running game is still their strongest suit, but I'm so glad to see they've a few other suits they're happy to try on. They've only been a couple of mistakes in defence / a touch of variety in attack short of winning Sam up to now. They've a real, real chance in 3 week, no matter who wins today.
Mayo look like a team who at all times know exactly what they are trying to do. Every player seems to know his role. That is huge credit to the management.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Something interesting from a Mayo perspective.
Up until the Ros replay they looked confused at what to do once they crossed the 65; didn't know whether to bomb, pass, run or hold. Looked like a team that had no defined style of play.
Since then they've looked like a team who can vary their attacking style depending on the opposition, and even change if up mid game. Players are reading the game and doing it with conviction. Which means even seasoned, clinical defences like Kerry are kept thinking. Pushing up on Mayo's half back line is still the most appropriate opposition response as Mayo's running game is still their strongest suit, but I'm so glad to see they've a few other suits they're happy to try on. They've only been a couple of mistakes in defence / a touch of variety in attack short of winning Sam up to now. They've a real, real chance in 3 week, no matter who wins today.
Think you're spot on there Wobbler. Mayo turned a corner between the first and second Roscommon games. Biased I know but I'd fancy them against any team in the country now - other than Roscommon, of course. Gaelic-football-playing Greek gods, Roscommon.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
To be fair, Mayo were utterly dominant around the middle third and there was nothing like the quality of ball going into Donaghy compared with last week.
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I think they'll beat the fund in the final this year IF they make it. Not so sure if they'll beat the red hands
Mayo would definitely beat Tyrone IMO but they'll need a bit of form or luck to beat Dublin. Tyrone would make it attritional which Mayo win every time but Dublin would be down to scorers and they've more of them.
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That's fair enough, Zulu, on the surface that seems to be the case alright but yet...
Over the two games Mayo scored a total of 4-30- not bad by any standards. Okay, it's easy in hindsight to say that Kerry are crap but that wasn't what the cognoscenti were thinking right up to the start of the drawn game.
The common belief was that Kerry would win pulling up. Now, four goals and thirty points later, Kerry are left wondering what hit them. Mayo may not have Dublin's 'marquee' forwards but it not a case of 'how but of how many.'
In common or garden terms, it is the team with the highest score that wins, the manner of how they were scored doesn't come into it.
Mayo depend a lot on the midfield and half backs to add to their tally and just about anyone on the field is likely to show up and have a pop. After two hectic games last year, Dublin managed to eke out a win though the issue was in doubt up to the last kick of the ball.
This year, Mayo's scoring potential had improved dramatically. Marquee forwards will have to scrap for every ball as if their lives depended on it.
Whoever meets Mayo in the final will have a game on their hands. I can't see this team being afraid of either.
Now, something to consider...
I think everyone agrees that this Dublin side is the best there has been but at this point, I part company with the majority. Some Dublin apologists will swear that all this is down to the sheer class and innate skills of every mother's son on the team.To believe this,you'd have to accept that the advantage Dublin enjoys over every other team in the land is of no importance. So the ultra professional set up and the state of the art facilities and the expertise of the backroom staff count for little or nothing.
Now, go back to last year's final for a moment.
Supposing by magical means Dublin and Mayo had swopped places a month or so beforehand, who would be All Ireland champions now?
That means that Clucko and Berno and Dermo et all would have to rush from work or study to get into a car with four or five others and and travel over 1,000 a week in this fashion travelling to and from training. All they'd get for sustenance before heading back would be a sandwich in a cardboard box. Workers would have to make arrangements with their bosses and students would have to juggle classes or rely on others for their notes taken at lectures.
The list goes on and on and on..
Dublin have a fine team alright but but a touch of realism is required. Mayo needn't fear the winner today.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
It's called winning.
Delighted for Rochford after all the stick he has taken this summer. He stuck to his guns and had Fitzmaurice on the run both days but especially yesterday. He stuck with AOS at full back who rewarded him with an improved performance and they tweaked it a little to get Donaghy on the back foot a bit more. Higgins was unreal in front of him, what a player.
Serious performances all over the field and really could have been a 10 point win but we'll gladly take the 5. An exceptional group of footballers now have to finish the job and secure that title they crave. Anything else will be failure to them.
Simply amazing. I am devouring humble pie since the final whistle went on Saturday and it sure does taste delicious. The players have their all, which I expected them to, but I somehow thought before the game that it wouldn't be enough. They were all brilliant. I will admit that I had the season written off after the slaughter by the Dubs in March. (I'm not the only one by the sounds of things - judging by Jim Gavin's post match comment ::)) Donaghy got his comeuppance, Bartholomew will be happy that the Mayo players didn't influence the referee - seeing that COC got a black and Durban got two yellows. They certainly are an amazing bunch of players, but it's no good if they don't finish the job off in 20 days time. Or a replay afterwards... I don't usually say players deserve all Ireland's, but in my opinion it will be a tragedy if the likes of Boyle, Higgins, Andy Moran and David Clarke don't get one before they quit the scene. We'll know about that later, Dublin are an amazing side and will be exceptionally hard to beat. But we're stiĺl in it. Up Mayo.
Well done Mayo, they were outstanding and comfortably the better team over the 2 games. I doubt too many saw this type of performance coming during July when they struggled against Derry, Clare, Cork & Roscommon and after getting beat by Galway. Many of us thought the extra games would hurt Mayo but the opposite given how poor they were during July although there patches during the Clare & Cork games where Mayo looked good.
I hope Rochford gets the respect he deserves in Mayo, he's still a bit of a laughing stock amongst some in the Mayo support but deserves a lot of credit for his creativeness in the way he's prepared to try something different in pursuit of the big prize.
David Gough showed 19 cards, must be some sort of record. I hope he's nowhere near the final, its fairly obvious that some of the cards issued that were issued on Saturday were a joke but so were some of the free's given. Gough is a forwards dream.
Keith Higgins is some athlete for a 33 year old, his athleticism isn't normal for a bloke his age.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Keith Higgins is some athlete for a 33 year old, his athleticism isn't normal for a bloke his age.
As good as Boyle was, I though Higgins was really the MOTM. Consummate footballer.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
Because a lot of the pundits and commentators will not admit that it was a bold decision by Rochford to stick to his guns after ridiculing him the previous week. Whether you think Rochford is a good manager or not you would have to admire his courage for making big decisions. It just shows how everything is flowered by the result. If Rochford loses the AI title he will go back to being a 'donkey' and if he wins it he will be hailed a hero. Consecutive AI finals in 2 years isn't a bad return for a donkey.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Keith Higgins is some athlete for a 33 year old, his athleticism isn't normal for a bloke his age.
As good as Boyle was, I though Higgins was really the MOTM. Consummate footballer.
In each of the last 3 games Higgins has been outstanding and could easily have been MOTM in each of them. Both he and Moran must have a great chance of winning FOTY should Mayo win the AI.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
Because a lot of the pundits and commentators will not admit that it was a bold decision by Rochford to stick to his guns after ridiculing him the previous week. Whether you think Rochford is a good manager or not you would have to admire his courage for making big decisions. It just shows how everything is flowered by the result. If Rochford loses the AI title he will go back to being a 'donkey' and if he wins it he will be hailed a hero. Consecutive AI finals in 2 years isn't a bad return for a donkey.
You're right. It's all about small margins. Conversely, you'll appreciate how fortunate they were en route to both finals with their performances in the earlier rounds of qualifiers. I'm not sure many (serious) pundits didn't admire his courage but there's still a case for arguing that there was a better move to make.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Keith Higgins is some athlete for a 33 year old, his athleticism isn't normal for a bloke his age.
As good as Boyle was, I though Higgins was really the MOTM. Consummate footballer.
In each of the last 3 games Higgins has been outstanding and could easily have been MOTM in each of them. Both he and Moran must have a great chance of winning FOTY should Mayo win the AI.
Higgins is something else, one of the true great defenders of the last 30 years. Mayo are blessed to have Higgins, Boyle & Keegan in the same era, players like this are irreplaceable.
Boyle at 20/1 and Higgins at 33/1 are great bets for player of the year if Mayo can beat the Dubs. I just don't see Moran having the same impact in the final that he had against Kerry.
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Quote from: mouview on August 28, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 28, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Keith Higgins is some athlete for a 33 year old, his athleticism isn't normal for a bloke his age.
As good as Boyle was, I though Higgins was really the MOTM. Consummate footballer.
In each of the last 3 games Higgins has been outstanding and could easily have been MOTM in each of them. Both he and Moran must have a great chance of winning FOTY should Mayo win the AI.
Higgins is something else, one of the true great defenders of the last 30 years. Mayo are blessed to have Higgins, Boyle & Keegan in the same era, players like this are irreplaceable.
Boyle at 20/1 and Higgins at 33/1 are great bets for player of the year if Mayo can beat the Dubs. I just don't see Moran having the same impact in the final that he had against Kerry.
I agree, that is a ridiculous price because for me Higgins has consistently been Mayo's best player. Andy Moran has been magnificent also but I also think that he will struggle to replicate his performance against a very good Dublin defence.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
To be fair, Mayo were utterly dominant around the middle third and there was nothing like the quality of ball going into Donaghy compared with last week.
Donaghey showed his true colours at the end. Typical Kerry thuggery never highlighted by their pals in the media. One handy all Ireland in 8 years after Donegal ambushed Dublin.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
What exactly did he row back on? AOS stayed FB and was outstanding. He got all the match ups correct. Had the balls to bench Durcan and take off Diarmuid at HT.
McStay put the boot in yesterday, let himself down badly. It's laughable that he said the first day was mayos best forward display in a long time. That's more blinkered than you Syf, we did put 20 points on Roscommon
Syf are u going to tell how Rochford has rowed back?
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Funny there was 10+ pages on O`Shea the last day but not a peep about him from yesterday, wonder why!
To be fair, Mayo were utterly dominant around the middle third and there was nothing like the quality of ball going into Donaghy compared with last week.
Donaghey showed his true colours at the end. Typical Kerry thuggery never highlighted by their pals in the media. One handy all Ireland in 8 years after Donegal ambushed Dublin.
Considering the furore over the Connolly episode it smacks of blatant hypocrisy that the Donaghy and incidences were brushed off so easily by media pundits. Incidents that had the potential to cause physical damage to an opponent.
Great win and it was nice to finally win a replay against one of the top teams. Truth is we dominated the game and should have won by more - if Kerry had 65% possession against us in the first half, the game would be over. As it was, we had a few moments of fortune in the game - Vaughan's dropped shot for the goal, Crowley's yellow for nothing (would feel very sore about that if I was from Kerry as it was at a stage when they were coming back into it) and the black for DOS which was apparently soft although I haven't seen a replay.
Considering our possession and dominance in most individual battles, we should have won more convincingly.
Plenty of positives too though - Doc was excellent, nailing that free and 45 (should have been a close in free I thought as adv was still on) really settled the team.
The improvement at MF and on kickouts was impressive although helped by Kerry playing a (sort of) sweeper made this easier.
The backs were all very good, even Geaney was marked well. AOS improved at FB, again helped by dominance in possession.
Loftus was good when he came on, would need a similar cameo in the AIF. Moran also excellent.
Third championship meeting in 3 years with Dublin and we've had chances to win all 4 of those games but have taken none. Hopefully we can change that in three weeks time....
An extract from Keith Duggan's piece last Saturday in the Irish Times; good to see someone calling out that twat Sweeney
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It has been a ghoulish week for coverage of Gaelic football. For the second successive championship summer, Mayo's manager Stephen Rochford has been widely pilloried and mocked for daring to make a tactical switch.
The latest reaction betrayed the prevailing scepticism and fear of trying anything original or different in Gaelic games.
And the tone of the commentary revealed a deep-down suspicion that there is a genetic impulse for self-destruction within the borders of the county; a disdainful sense that only they would try something this breathtakingly leftfield and flash. The howls of derision were shrill and instantaneous and underlined by a mean delight. Look! They did it again!
On Monday morning, a headline in the Irish Independent caught the spirit of the age in its scathing verdict on the management: "Tactically, Mayo are lions led by donkeys".
It was one of those staggeringly insulting headlines you couldn't quite believe even though it was there in front of you in black and white.
In a way, it was the inevitable conclusion to the free-for-all of mirth and derision aimed at Mayo's sideline – and specifically at Rochford – which began almost as soon as Aidan O'Shea, Mayo's notional full-forward, trotted to the full-back position to mark Kieran Donaghy, Kerry's totemic full-forward.
The headline simply clarified a truism of recent years that when it comes to this Mayo team, it is open season all the time. People feel at liberty to say or write whatever they please.
Try to imagine that headline written about any Dublin football management – and the subsequent uproar. Or try to imagine Independent House applying the same headline to the Kerry football management. It simply wouldn't happen.
Dublin don't drop Cluxton and Kerry don't play David Moran at FB, though. It would certainly be open season then.
It's a bit premature for a Rochford love-in because for me everything still points to him being hapless tactically.
Doesn't matter whether the change was correct or not, no county manager deserves a headline like that. Typical of the tabloid shite in the Indo
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Dublin don't drop Cluxton and Kerry don't play David Moran at FB, though. It would certainly be open season then.
It's a bit premature for a Rochford love-in because for me everything still points to him being hapless tactically.
Jasus Syf,for a lad that never played football nor managed a team,why do you try to portray your self as an expert on tactics and players.?I know nobody takes you serious around here but I have to give you credit for persistence .
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Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2017, 10:53:54 PM
Dublin don't drop Cluxton and Kerry don't play David Moran at FB, though. It would certainly be open season then.
It's a bit premature for a Rochford love-in because for me everything still points to him being hapless tactically.
Jasus Syf,for a lad that never played football nor managed a team,why do you try to portray your self as an expert on tactics and players.?I know nobody takes you serious around here but I have to give you credit for persistence .
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It's weird that so many here think trying to go after the poster rather than the point reflects well on them or even gains any traction in an argument. You're long past being able to unnerve me with playground insults, I actually feel a bit sorry for people whose only retort is that, honestly. I would hope we don't have many solicitors on this forum.
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 29, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
i dont think it was a dive, he certainly collided with him.
But no way was it a black card either.
Did he collide deliberately to take him out of the play?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Did he collide deliberately to take him out of the play?
I dont think so.
But we are back to the main issue with the black card, it is very hard to tell in alot of instances.
If there is any doubt that it was deliberate, then he shouldn't have gotten a black card.
Looking at highlights last night at Dublin players getting in Peter Harte's way as opposed to colliding you'd wonder should the card be for cynical play and off ball fouling.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2017, 10:58:32 AM
Did he collide deliberately to take him out of the play?
As a Mayo supporter who has gotten sick listening to our own supporters carping on about referees I was reluctant to raise Rossfan's question. On watching the game on RTE player last night it struck me that there were a number of these "accidental" collisions during the game. Kerry's O Brien took out Cillian O Connor in this manner in the lead up to the play in which Boyle saved on the goal-line for Mayo about the 40 min. On laying off the ball he appeared to line up O Connor and ploughed through him. In fairness to O Brien and indeed Darren O Sullivan, no one but the player will know the real intent. The ref gets one chance to guess at it. Maybe Gough got it wrong. He wouldn't be the first ref to do so. At the risk of arguing against myself I could reference the replay in Limerick ;D ;D
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 29, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
How will it help Kerry or Darren O'Sullivan now if the black card is rescinded , I can't remember a black card ever been rescinded ??
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 29, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
I'd like you to be rescinded ....................................... because you're pathetic
Quote from: Halfquarter on August 29, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 29, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
How will it help Kerry or Darren O'Sullivan now if the black card is rescinded , I can't remember a black card ever been rescinded ??
Kevin's mckernans against Tyrone was recinded
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Quote from: Halfquarter on August 29, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Bart McQueen on August 29, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
I hope Darran Sullivan has black card rescinded. Pathetic dive from O'Connor. Surely GAA needs to be looking at play acting. it worse than soccer at this stage
How will it help Kerry or Darren O'Sullivan now if the black card is rescinded , I can't remember a black card ever been rescinded ??
Kevin's mckernans against Tyrone was recinded
Ok, I see it now ,3 black cards lead to one game suspension, not really relevant for Kerry this year though.