Should An Glenn object?

[johnnycool]

Crazy, Glen have a right to appeal and no one can take that off them. But personally, I wouldn't want to replay the whole game for 25 seconds of a mistake, that in all probability wouldn't have costed the match. If KC refuse to play and Glen have a walk over that will be the biggest a balls up to the season ever

Really?

Yeah really, the odds are massively stacked against a team looking a last minute goal. My own team gave one up few years ago, heartbreaking as it is it just doesn't happen that often, in all my days playing and ref'ing its rare, we all have memories where it has happened but its not as common.

But look Glen are right to appeal, its in the rules that extra players on the pitch that shouldn't have been there has the option of fine forfeit and replay, personally I wouldn't go looking a replay, old school and all that.

At no point do I think KC cheated in this, this was a mistake by the officials for not ensuring both players left the field like they normally do, no one was instructed to stay on the pitch.

Even if there was no last minute effect, the probability of a last minute goal would not be zero. Last minute goals are tail risk. Here is an example from another sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5VZc28Lis4&t=180s

The key point imo is that the match was not decided because of the tail risk. Even if it was for 30 seconds. And Glen couldn't be expected to take their beating if they hadn't been beaten. That's why there has to be a replay. 

Cheating would have to be investigated. I have no idea whether KC cheated or not.  Nobody does.

Cheating would suggest a deliberate act by the Crokes management, I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion.

What we do know is that the rules were broken even for 45 seconds or whatever at that and Croke Park have ruled that it was the responsibility of the Crokes management to ensure that this didn't happen which they failed to do.

[Wildweasel74]

Kilcoo couldn't score against KC for. a long time but goaled at the very end. The rules was quite clear on course of action and still we had 30pgs plus arguing  over what was always going to happen here. I save you another 20pgs of crap. Even if KC took further up appeal wise, the result be the same. A replay be ordered, 1 team doesn't turn up, the game be awarded to the other plus fine, both don't turn up it be fines for both, probably null and void for winners plus return cup and medals. Should ask Mickey Harte, he a habit of not turning up for recent games!

[Armagh18]

Crazy, Glen have a right to appeal and no one can take that off them. But personally, I wouldn't want to replay the whole game for 25 seconds of a mistake, that in all probability wouldn't have costed the match. If KC refuse to play and Glen have a walk over that will be the biggest a balls up to the season ever

Really?

Yeah really, the odds are massively stacked against a team looking a last minute goal. My own team gave one up few years ago, heartbreaking as it is it just doesn't happen that often, in all my days playing and ref'ing its rare, we all have memories where it has happened but its not as common.

But look Glen are right to appeal, its in the rules that extra players on the pitch that shouldn't have been there has the option of fine forfeit and replay, personally I wouldn't go looking a replay, old school and all that.

At no point do I think KC cheated in this, this was a mistake by the officials for not ensuring both players left the field like they normally do, no one was instructed to stay on the pitch.

But it still happens, no matter how rare. Obvious example a late late goal in last years final. Intermediate final in Armagh this year decided by a long ball in at the last minute

[seafoid]

Crazy, Glen have a right to appeal and no one can take that off them. But personally, I wouldn't want to replay the whole game for 25 seconds of a mistake, that in all probability wouldn't have costed the match. If KC refuse to play and Glen have a walk over that will be the biggest a balls up to the season ever

Really?

Yeah really, the odds are massively stacked against a team looking a last minute goal. My own team gave one up few years ago, heartbreaking as it is it just doesn't happen that often, in all my days playing and ref'ing its rare, we all have memories where it has happened but its not as common.

But look Glen are right to appeal, its in the rules that extra players on the pitch that shouldn't have been there has the option of fine forfeit and replay, personally I wouldn't go looking a replay, old school and all that.

At no point do I think KC cheated in this, this was a mistake by the officials for not ensuring both players left the field like they normally do, no one was instructed to stay on the pitch.

Even if there was no last minute effect, the probability of a last minute goal would not be zero. Last minute goals are tail risk. Here is an example from another sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5VZc28Lis4&t=180s

The key point imo is that the match was not decided because of the tail risk. Even if it was for 30 seconds. And Glen couldn't be expected to take their beating if they hadn't been beaten. That's why there has to be a replay. 

Cheating would have to be investigated. I have no idea whether KC cheated or not.  Nobody does.

Cheating would suggest a deliberate act by the Crokes management, I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion.

What we do know is that the rules were broken even for 45 seconds or whatever at that and Croke Park have ruled that it was the responsibility of the Crokes management to ensure that this didn't happen which they failed to do.

It doesn't matter anyway. The decision is fair . It's just  a pity it took so long.

[thewobbler]

It is a fair decision. You're right.

But decision to allow the result to stand would have been more fair again.

[seafoid]

Are there any stats on the frequency of goals score in GAA by time of goal ?

[pbat]

"Following meetings of CCCC last night and this morning, the objection of CLG Gleann Machaire Ratha as per Riail 7.10 (n) T.O. has been upheld as it is proven that CLG Cill Mochuda na Crócaigh exceeded the number of players permitted under Riail 2.1 Rules of Specification, Playing Rules (Treoir Oifigiúil Cuid II).

On that ruling even above the GAA are blaming Kilmacud, so if Glen don't play the replay it would have to be null and void season? 

[Armagh18]

"Following meetings of CCCC last night and this morning, the objection of CLG Gleann Machaire Ratha as per Riail 7.10 (n) T.O. has been upheld as it is proven that CLG Cill Mochuda na Crócaigh exceeded the number of players permitted under Riail 2.1 Rules of Specification, Playing Rules (Treoir Oifigiúil Cuid II).

On that ruling even above the GAA are blaming Kilmacud, so if Glen don't play the replay it would have to be null and void season?

are they though? Even in it wasn't KC's fault they still had too many players on the field

[WT4E]

Are there any stats on the frequency of goals score in GAA by time of goal ?

95% of all goals against 15 aside are scored in stoppage time
0% of all goals against 17 aside are scored in stoppage time

I can see why KC done it considering last years final!

[Look-Up!]

Whatever will happen now with scheduling or either teams appetite to replay, only time will tell. KC can still appeal so this thing could have more legs yet before we get a resolution.

But regardless of the ifs, buts, faults, officials etc. this was the only conclusion they could have came to. Responsibility for number of players on the field is, and always has been a teams responsibility. Not that hard to comprehend and trying to equate this into a simple refereeing error was never going to work.

The rule's very existence dissolves the ref of any responsibility. If more than 15 players on field a team will be penalised. We can safely assume in every such situation this happens, the ref has not spotted the infraction so has made an error of sorts. But the ultimate responsibility and penalty is to offending team. 

[smort]

Shane Walsh currently in Dubai going by social media.

Will the issue be resolved before they meet in next (this) year's all ireland semi final?

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSkouaPoAU

[seafoid]

Whatever will happen now with scheduling or either teams appetite to replay, only time will tell. KC can still appeal so this thing could have more legs yet before we get a resolution.

But regardless of the ifs, buts, faults, officials etc. this was the only conclusion they could have came to. Responsibility for number of players on the field is, and always has been a teams responsibility. Not that hard to comprehend and trying to equate this into a simple refereeing error was never going to work.

The rule's very existence dissolves the ref of any responsibility. If more than 15 players on field a team will be penalised. We can safely assume in every such situation this happens, the ref has not spotted the infraction so has made an error of sorts. But the ultimate responsibility and penalty is to offending team.

It's not  ref issue. It's a structural issue
Over the course of a match ref mistakes should even out but with structural issues they can't.

[Milltown Row2]

Same ref doing it I hear, seeing as he did nowt wrong

[downtothecore]

I think kc manager was so spooked so much by last years outcome that it contributed to the panic of rushing on subs unfortunately has led to this outcome.