Sam Maguire permutations

[inroundthesquare]

If Derry win Ulster, all Division 1 (2024) teams will be either 1st Seed or 3rd Seeds.

Seed 1 are at home to Seed 3 first. Should make the first round of games interesting.

[An Watcher]

How are the groups sitting now?

[Blowitupref]

How are the groups sitting now?

If 4 favourites win their provincial finals

1st seeds

Galway,Dublin,Kerry,Derry


2nd seeds

Sligo,Louth,Clare,Armagh

3rd seeds

Roscommon,Monaghan,Mayo,Tyrone

4th seeds

Donegal,Kildare,Westmeath,Cork


And the fixtures.


Round 1 (first named team at home)

20-21.05.2023 (Sat/Sun)

Seed 1 (Munster/Connacht Champions v Seed 3)

Seed 2 (Munster/Connacht Runners Up v Seed 4)

27-28.05.2023 (Sat/Sun)

Seed 1 (Leinster/Ulster Champions v Seed 3)

Seed 2 (Leinster/Ulster Runners Up v Seed 4)



Round 2 (first named team at home)

03-04.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)

Seed 3 v Seed 2

Seed 4 v Seed1


Round 3 (Neutral venues)

17-18.06.2023 (Sat/Sun)

Seed 1 v Seed 2

Seed 3 v Seed 4

[GoldCoastRossie]

There is a chance of a real group of death like Dublin, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal versus maybe a softer group of Galway, Clare, Roscommon and Westmeath

[An Watcher]

Tyrone, Sligo, Westmeath n Derry/Galway please

[In hiding]

Tyrone, Sligo, Westmeath n Derry/Galway please

Derry, Louth, Tyrone and Donegal  please

[Oraisteach]

When will all the groups be announced?

[onefineday]

When will all the groups be announced?

Tuesday we think

[Oraisteach]

How many teams from each group advance, one or two? Thanks for answering my questions.

[Wildweasel74]

The 3rd seeds are stronger than the 2nd seed which is strange

[RedHand88]

The 3rd seeds are stronger than the 2nd seed which is strange

Mostly because Ulster and Connacht are brutally sided at one half of the draw this year! Thems the breaks.

[armaghniac]

How many teams from each group advance, one or two? Thanks for answering my questions.

Three advance, one direct to the quarter final and two to preliminary quarter finals.
Given the presence of the likes of Sligo and Westmeath, who will find the going tough, the likes of Monaghan, Tyrone or Armagh are unlikely to be eliminated in the round robin, but in those knockout games. Armagh could be eliminated on their 8th game without reaching the quarter finals!

[Armagh18]

The 3rd seeds are stronger than the 2nd seed which is strange

Mostly because Ulster and Connacht are brutally sided at one half of the draw this year! Thems the breaks.

and the fact that there are no decent teams outside the dubs and Kerry in the other 2. Having said that, I expect Louth to be tough to beat.

[Rossfan]

Last year's 4 semi Finalists looking good for winning Provincials and top seeding and likely Qtr Finalists.
Of the 2nd seeds Armagh/Derry losers should make Quarter Finals with one of the 3rd seeds not making them.

[weareros]

In most groups (with exception of group with Ulster runner up), whoever wins that first game between provincial champion and 3rd seed will win the group. Indeed the winner of the 1st game can likely even afford to lose a game because they will still have head to head on their likely closest rival for top spot should both only lose one game.