Scottish independence referendum thread

Started by deiseach, September 07, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

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If you have/had a vote, how will/would you vote?

Yes
122 (87.8%)
No
17 (12.2%)

Total Members Voted: 139

Voting closed: September 18, 2014, 11:36:16 AM

AQMP

It'll be some craic in the event of a border poll when both sides are called "Better Together"


seafoid

Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
The dance was nice while it lasted. A shift in the niteclub stalls was all it amounted to in the end.

It would have been an interesting case study to compare how an independent Celtic nation would be formed in the early 21st century as opposed to the early 20th century. Beyond riling up unionists it mattered little with regards the situation in the north.
No. Scotland is in a process. It'll take more time but they'll go for it eventually.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

One of the more noteworthy things about the vote was who voted no. Glasgow and hinterland were very strong.
Labour voters a lot of them. Loads of people not happy with the economic system. Middleclass Scots stayed union.

Politicians normally keep a lid  on working class energy but it's great to see it unleashed. The establishment really panicked last week.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-29152398
"That was one of the big moments for me, watching the blue-collar screening of the movie, The Spy Who Loved Me, and having the reaction of the crowd at the theatre when Jaws popped out of the ocean, survived and swam away. There were hoots and howling, applause. I couldn't believe it."
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

bennydorano

Quote from: deiseach on September 19, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 19, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
Maybe they all did vote Yes, but were simply outvoted?

Get out of that one Rommel :D

No, I'm certain that not ALL of the type I'm describing voted Yes. If they did, then the No campaign really did waste their time by appealing to them.
They targeted the wrong stereotype?

AQMP


deiseach

Quote from: bennydorano on September 19, 2014, 04:13:26 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 19, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on September 19, 2014, 02:59:52 PM
Maybe they all did vote Yes, but were simply outvoted?

Get out of that one Rommel :D

No, I'm certain that not ALL of the type I'm describing voted Yes. If they did, then the No campaign really did waste their time by appealing to them.
They targeted the wrong stereotype?

They targeted the right stereotype.

seafoid

#442
Quote from: AQMP on September 19, 2014, 04:17:45 PM
Salmond to stand down as FM in November
First minister says he will stand down in November when new SNP leader will be chosen, but adds 'for Scotland the campaign continues and dream shall never die'

channeling this , which was just before the moment when financialisation took over and Thatcher and Reagan implemented the programme that crashed in 2008 , which also led to the Scottish referendum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5cKYckTWEM
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

thebigfella

WTF relevance is a border poll to the Scottish independence vote... It would only be relevant if the 6 counties of the North was running a referendum on independence, which would never happen as Thatcher would be better than those cnuts at Stormont.

The question on the United Ireland is completely different as it not just the decision of people in the 6 counties.

AQMP

Salmond claims that in a phone call to Cameron today Cameron could not commit to enacting the promised wider powers for Scotland by March of next year as laid out by Gordon Brown.

glens abu

Quote from: thebigfella on September 19, 2014, 04:32:17 PM
WTF relevance is a border poll to the Scottish independence vote... It would only be relevant if the 6 counties of the North was running a referendum on independence, which would never happen as Thatcher would be better than those cnuts at Stormont.

The question on the United Ireland is completely different as it not just the decision of people in the 6 counties.

It is

deiseach

Alex Salmond - rude, aggressive, patronising, arrogant, opportunistic, ruthless and conniving.

God, I'll miss him.

macdanger2

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 19, 2014, 10:39:53 AM
I don't agree. The very basic thing the guy needed to offer was parity with what people have got now. The fact that a lot of people had questions about things where parity wasn't guaranteed turned a lot of voters off.

A few years more legwork from Salmond et al would have changed that. I'm not talking 100% of absolutely every possible corner case scenario covered here.  The currency thing to me highlighted that they weren't ready.

The guy did a great job - don't get me wrong - and will probably change the face of a lot of things.  A couple of years more with a more fleshed out plan and he could have changed it even more.

There is NO "currency" thing!! That was the biggest red herring of the campaign. There's nothing to stop any currency from pegging itself with any other

seafoid

I thought Cameron's speech today was interesting. He spoke about the 4 nations - Tans, Jocks, Welsh and Irish

I presume the unionists in TW6 were sickened to be classed as the Irish nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dU8mGjrjJk
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: deiseach on September 19, 2014, 05:09:31 PM
Alex Salmond - rude, aggressive, patronising, arrogant, opportunistic, ruthless and conniving.

God, I'll miss him.
Great description of a political CV
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU